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I'm Brandon. 
And I'm Jesse. 

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We're. 
Cannabis school having cannabis 

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infused conversations. 
With everyday. 

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People, Cannabis companies. 
Celebrities. 

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And your mom. 
Welcome to the sash. 

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Yo-yo, yo-yo, yo. 
What's? 

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Up Yeah. 
Welcome. 

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We we were able to give you that
intro episode of why we created 

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this new sesh. 
This is all from you. 

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We we wanted to create something
that was a little bit more, more

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in depth. 
Yeah, we could go more into 

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people and cannabis comes up and
all these conversations and 

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you're going to see this. 
We've got a lot of interviews 

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set up and that's another reason
why we did that 'cause we felt 

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there was that disconnect and 
that's why we said it in the 

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last video. 
So on this episode, what we 

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wanna do is kinda let you get to
know us a little bit personal 

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way. 
And I'm we. 

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Never really went into it on 
cannabis. 

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We will so. 
We. 

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Never have. 
We're gonna get to know Jesse. 

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Damn, we're gonna get to know 
Brandon. 

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Just a little better. 
And and you know, I'm gonna 

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start it out and I'm, I'm not 
gonna do the whole like, origin 

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story, 'cause I think that's so 
played out. 

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It's such a, it's such a generic
trope. 

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So what I wanna do is I'm just 
gonna go into some other things 

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for you man. 
So favorite change that you have

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made in your life? 
Oh my God, I already got. 

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It in the last year. 
Oh, year. 

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Fuck. 
OK, never mind. 

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So, so on that thinking about 
what I meant by that is you know

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when when we make, we make a lot
of like you know, Brandon and I,

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we've changed so much over the 
years and the time that I've 

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known Brandon, Brandon has gone 
from several different 

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personality types to where he is
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And I think this is more of his 
true form. 

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He's finally molted into a 
butterfly. 

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And so he. 
Beautiful little butterfly. 

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Yeah, he's, he's flying around 
and acting like a little bit of 

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a fairy, right, You know, But I 
mean, I say like, you know, he's

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he's totally a different person 
now. 

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So yeah, it's one of the things 
that I've loved about Cannabis 

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Man is seeing the progression of
who you were from how long we've

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known each other. 
Now I am married to his cousin 

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and they. 
God, how long has that been? 

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18 years for us? 
Yeah. 

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And. 
Since 2005, S 18 going on almost

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go either going on 18 or going 
on 19 and I've been with my wife

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for 20 years. 
It's been a long time. 

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Yeah, and it doesn't feel like a
long time. 

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But me and him have been really 
at least good friends since. 

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I would say yeah that yes. 
Since we got into sales sale, 

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Brandon Knighters, yeah we both 
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support roles, marketing roles 
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Lifetime. 
Yeah, our our lives and and we 

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just made it really a bond. 
But both of us were different 

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than to where we are now. 
So where my mind when when you 

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first asked me where, like what 
has been my favorite change that

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has happened? 
Yeah, tell me your favorite 

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changes just now. 
The. 

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First one that popped into my 
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wasn't even in the last year was
transitioning out of that cowboy

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gross phase that, like, my 
ex-wife had somehow gotten me 

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into, into, like, now getting 
out of that. 

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That was my favorite change, but
it wasn't in the last year. 

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No, no, I agree. 
I think the favorite change that

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I have for myself is I'm not as 
I'm not as aggressive as I was 

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brought up. 
And it's not to say that my 

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parents were really aggressive, 
but they grew up during a 

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certain time I. 
See it. 

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And this is the thing with that 
though, I don't think that's the

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last year. 
I think that's been no 

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progression over the last decade
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Well, and it a lot of it has to 
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cannabis, like, you know, my 
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one time. 
She's like, hey, you know, I've 

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seen you using a lot and I had 
to explain. 

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I'm like, yeah, I am addicted to
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certain things. 
One, she's like, well, you get 

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mad and you go and smoke. 
If something comes up and it's 

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really hard to deal with, you go
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Well, I deal with a lot of high 
anxiety and smoking helps to get

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me baseline where I don't freak 
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I I was brought up with a lot of
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aggression and reaction. 
Yeah, lots of reaction. 

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And now even if I yell, that 
gets my kids scared. 

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But I don't do it as often and I
usually can come back on hey 

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look I I went too far. 
I'm taking I'm gonna own 

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responsibility and I have 
extreme ownership on this but it

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it that's been the biggest 
change for me is my aggression. 

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My aggression was not and and 
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Maybe I need to get my 
testosterone checked. 

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Maybe that's why it's so low. 
But I definitely, you know, and 

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I. 
Cannabis is the same way like 

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cannabis in mind because same 
way my dad was very reactive, it

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was yelling and my parents was 
it's very military. 

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This is how you do it. 
This is when things are done. 

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Like it was just we had a set of
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And so when I became a parent it
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from where I was to where I am 
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And thank God cannabis, because 
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I would be if not. 
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that, so you you had kids at a 
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Yeah, my oldest is 15 now almost
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had your first kid. 
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That's not too bad considering 
for Utah standards at the time. 

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You were usually married by 
1819. 

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Yeah, but I got married at 21. 
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years off and on. 
And which for Utah is also an 

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anomaly because usually it's 
Hey, we met 3 weeks ago, let's 

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get married. 
Or hey, we met a couple months 

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ago, let's get married and it's 
like you don't even know who 

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this is. 
No, but sex feels amazing. 

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Yeah, but you can't do that, so.
Unless you're married, right? 

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And as far as perception around 
here, we grew up in that culture

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and you grew up in a in a 
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generations. 
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yeah, you know. 
So would you say that who you 

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are right now like it does it, 
is it, it's not a shock to the 

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family anymore, but do you think
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family? 
I mean, it definitely was for 

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sure. 
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Like I I think the person I am 
now, it's way easier for them 

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because I left the church first,
I got tattoos. 

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I was seen drinking all the time
like they knew I drink because I

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wasn't ashamed of it. 
No, it wasn't. 

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And it was kind of spiteful, 
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You just weren't hiding. 
And it's just like but I wasn't.

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Rubbing in their face, it was 
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Like I'm OK telling him that I 
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and or that I have whiskey or 
that I really like this type of,

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like, I'm not ashamed of that. 
Why would I care? 

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No, no. 
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your family was is incredibly 
judgmental. 

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Yeah, super judgmental. 
And it's at. 

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Least I was nervous about that 
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left the church that like, I'd 
be disowned because of all the 

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stuff I had read about like this
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And it's it's sad because there 
are people who experience that. 

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But surprisingly, the worst 
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was like, you know, we were out 
boating one time and it was one 

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of the first times he had seen 
me with my shirt off since I got

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my first tattoo. 
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was like, yeah, some people make
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some people get stupid things 
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And I was like, OK, so this is 
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And and I didn't go down that 
rabbit hole because most of the 

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time I try and not be an 
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But. 
Still, yeah, but it's just it's 

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been interesting to see, but I 
feel like that progression has 

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made it easier for them to 
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Yeah, you kind of set that stage
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same. 
I mean it. 

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The only thing was shock. 
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For your and your. 
Family like. 

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You are not my family. 
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Parents like you kind of were 
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away for a bit and then you came
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Now that you've been married and
you know, you bet it's a 

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different religious and almost. 
I wasn't religious growing up, 

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even though my parents were 
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I was never grew up in it a 
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Yeah, I was a bystander. 
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I was a. 
Maleficent Bystander, Yeah. 

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That's it. 
I mean, all I would do is just 

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come in. 
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age. 
My whole family did. 

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We would participate because it 
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So we were still kind of 
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You know, people made a an 
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church, but it never really 
worked and you know we all went 

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our own separate paths as far as
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But I didn't grow up that way. 
I grew up in a a very latchkey 

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family. 
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We we struggled for many years. 
We're very poor for a long time.

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Up until I was in my teens and 
then it wasn't until I was gone 

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in the military and I joined the
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school. 
Didn't want to stay around here.

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Got out left, saw the world, got
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came back. 
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I I will never leave the Utah 
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I don't feel a need to move away
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church. 
You know, I came into the church

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later on at 28 and it was, it 
was a, you know, it's been a 

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good experience for me, but 
because I create the experience 

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and I think that's why so many 
people are accepting of me using

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cannabis both in in the 
religious community. 

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My family could give two shits 
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Even with that, though, the 
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community or not. 
The community, the organization 

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as a whole actually accept 
medical use of that, of that 

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plant, of this plant. 
So you're not a pariah. 

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So it's just different in 
there's nothing that you're 

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utilizing in this medication 
that's frowned upon for the 

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church that you're a member of. 
It's just more of the community 

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that has the stigma that's been 
perpetuated by history. 

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Yeah, And and the other part is,
is that because I don't make a 

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big deal out of it, I take it as
a big responsibility of being 

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not only part of this cannabis 
podcast, but also being a 

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cannabis consumer in the world 
and so. 

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You educate people. 
Yeah I I do so from my actions 

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and who I am but I'm I'm pretty 
outspoken I I will tell you how 

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I feel. 
I've I've no problem 

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articulating how I feel and and 
that's the thing that when I 

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when I look at cannabis involved
in my life that's a it's a big 

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thing for me but to go away from
a serious note over there. 

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So Brandon what do you what are 
some of the things that consume 

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your time let's let's take like 
you can call them hobbies. 

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I don't really have hobbies. 
I I somebody would think I have 

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hobbies, but I don't know if I 
practice hobbies like other 

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people do. 
Like like you really like 

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longboarding well. 
I mean, longboarding's something

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that I've been doing now, and I 
thought about this the other 

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day. 
It's been over 20 years. 

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I've been longboarding for over 
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I've been longboarding this area
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comfortable with it and for me 
it's like snowboarding, 

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longboarding, anything like 
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Is would you say you're a nature
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I do and motor. 
It's the flow. 

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I find flow in motorcycle 
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snowboarding I find a flow in 
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I find a flow in like the ride 
and so I am cool. 

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I am present. 
All the other shit disappears. 

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So for me, when I went through 
divorce, motorcycle riding was 

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therapy because all of my 
stress, all of my anxiety, all 

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of my everything, my massive 
depression, it disappeared. 

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The only thing that existed was 
the throttle and me going 

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through that corner and trying 
not to break traction and trying

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like. 
And I would go through these 

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corners as fast as I could, 
because that made everything 

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disappear. 
Nothing existed except for that 

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next split second A. 
Little of adrenaline. 

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That was it. 
And so, like, I could have 

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everything else disappear. 
But then in those moments, like 

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random ideas would pop in my 
head. 

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All of these things, because all
of the other bullshit 

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disappeared. 
So motorcycles are awesome. 

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I mean, you you you sound like 
the movement is the best thing 

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that you do. 
So you invest into those things 

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like, like you said, like 
longboarding, snowboarding. 

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So, I mean, in Utah is such a 
diverse landscape where you can,

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yeah, you're like in a different
world 20. 

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Minutes from the mountains. 
So I can be any of those things,

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you know, within 20 minutes. 
Yeah, I've heard. 

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You know, for people that are 
like thinking like, I wonder 

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what Afghanistan's like. 
Utah mountain ranges are very, 

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very, very similar to the 
Afghanistan mountains. 

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Even the climate, everything do 
they have. 

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Pirate trees in that in certain 
areas. 

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Huh. 
And so they and I I've asked. 

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Guys thinking about like Afghan 
Cush and the more indica based 

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ones. 
I think those are in culture 

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regions. 
And it's interesting, it's 

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really cool but that that that's
good to know about you because 

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you know a lot of people may not
know that like what is what is 

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he into and I think it's just 
the development over time. 

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So that's, I would say you're 
more serious endeavors. 

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What? 
What do you, what do you do like

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in the downtime? 
Do you fuck around on your 

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phone? 
Oh bro, we play lots of. 

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Games we play. 
Games we I don't. 

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I don't say we're gamers, but 
we're we're, we like to play. 

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Maybe a couple times a week that
like not big gamers. 

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I used to love playing a lot 
more like I would play Halo and 

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stuff when I was. 
Had you ever venture out and 

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play different types of games? 
Never RP GS as much I was 

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really. 
Sound a nerd for those? 

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Shooters, shooters and racing 
games. 

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Oh yeah, I really enjoyed those.
Racing Jam. 

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Yeah, we play Insurgency, 
Sandstorm on PS5. 

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We'll put our gamertags down in 
the Oh yeah, it'd be in the show

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of notes if you you want a 
friend with us. 

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However, be chill if we play 
together, 'cause we had one guy 

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and it was just like his whole 
group of friends and. 

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Such a wanker, They're. 
Dicks. 

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I didn't like him at all. 
But Insurgency, Sandstar don't 

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know. 
We we love playing that one. 

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Like shooters, Like any 
shooters, we're both playing 

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race. 
Divers got to hell. 

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Yeah, Hell Divers. 
We're we got into Hell Divers 

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for sure. 
But what else do you do? 

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You play. 
You play musical instruments. 

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You grew up musical, right? 
I did. 

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You know, growing up in Utah, 
one of the very popular things 

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for parents to do is get your 
kids into like Daniel art music.

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And I took piano for 10 years, 
and then I stopped touching it 

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for at least 10 years. 
And then I started playing a 

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little bit. 
And right now I have like a 

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1920s piano that is in very slow
stages of restoration. 

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Yeah, it's. 
Pretty cool though. 

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I mean it's it's awesome. 
And I mean he he he knows how to

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tune them. 
Which is I learned what I found 

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out. 
You can do electrical work too. 

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You're. 
Yeah, my dad was a contractor 

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and his dad like a general. 
And so I worked. 

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You're like a journaling. 
Homes and shit, all since I was 

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9. 
Like so you've learned that for.

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I've done way too much stuff, 
but same with you. 

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You've done like weird shit from
like being in the military to 

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being a rock Mason working in 
the mental institute for like 

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mental hospital for a long ass 
time. 

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Yeah, 10 years. 
So I mean, you've had quite the 

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wide variety and that was before
you ever even got into like 

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sales and coaching and marketing
or anything. 

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Yeah, that's like a whole 
another lifetime ago. 

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It feels like it. 
It's kind of weird. 

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Like anybody I talk to, they go,
what the fuck have you not done?

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And I'm like, you know what? 
It it really doesn't I I look at

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it were people. 
And you were a bouncer at one 

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point. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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I mean, I've done a lot of 
different things and it's kind 

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of funny. 
What? 

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What are your hobbies or not 
hobbies that you have? 

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My, my hobbies. 
What I used to like if I was to 

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say like a a hobby, like what 
you like to do, right? 

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Like when you you go 
longboarding quite a bit and 

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it's a it's an act that you do 
with one of your brothers quite 

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often. 
And that's so cool, right? 

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And I I do. 
I love weightlifting. 

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One thing that I used to be 
really passionate about, I've 

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been doing martial arts since 
the age of seven and I just was 

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naturally gifted that way. 
I learned Jiu Jitsu half under 

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instruction, half of it 
self-taught. 

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I'm a big self educator, so 
another hobby I have is 

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learning. 
I am a nerd for learning. 

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I can't even enjoy fiction books
as much anymore. 

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I'm reading Dune right now 
because I really want to. 

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I think it's an awesome world. 
The first one. 

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Yeah, I'm reading the first book
and I'm really excited. 

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But what's funny is, is that 
it's not my hobby, it's not my 

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passion. 
My wife loves to read like 

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you've seen her library, and 
that's just. 

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Part told me, Well, I think it's
been packed up. 

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I'm sure I've seen it in the 
houses. 

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It could chill. 
And my focus. 

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It could fill two of these walls
top to bottom with that amazing.

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Her library mine takes up two 
areas. 

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Yeah, of books. 
And it's mostly business books. 

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It's self-awareness books, 
marketing books, sales books. 

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My books or a lot of history? 
Yeah. 

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Oh no, I'm. 
I'm steeped in history, but. 

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That's what I love is I've got a
lot of I like history. 

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I like, I have every band book 
ever on my electrical library, 

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my digital library. 
And I love, like, interestingly 

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enough, for someone who's not 
religious, I feel like I've read

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more religious texts in my life 
than I've read. 

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I've read, I've I've read a lot 
of religious texts. 

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In my youth, actually, when I 
was in the military, I read a 

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lot of that. 
You had a lot of time, I'm sure.

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Well, yeah, I mean, if we go 
back, I mean, I I grew up here 

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in Utah and as soon as I could, 
I left. 

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I went to the Navy where there 
there's very few Utahans. 

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I met one other dude from Utah 
in my school after I graduated 

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boot camp. 
You go to a specialized school 

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called a school and I went to my
a school and there was a kid 

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there and he'd been on 
restriction for like 3 months 

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because he went into the bar on 
base and pretended to be an 

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officer. 
So he had all this restrictions.

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So the guy didn't even get to go
to the fleet. 

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But I while going through that, 
man, I mean, it was not a lot of

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people from Utah. 
Matter of fact, everybody would 

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ask. 
They're like, hey, bet you never

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seen black people before like 
this many. 

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And truly, I had like, there's 
two black people I knew. 

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Oh yeah, growing up. 
At high school, I remember there

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being like 2 black kids. 
Yeah. 

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And that was. 
It, and that was a lot of 

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different. 
Hispanics, super diversions and 

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stuff, but like one or two black
kids and that was it. 

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Yeah, it was. 
It just, it was very much, yeah.

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I didn't see that, but not. 
Culturally diverse here when we 

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grew up. 
No, but I mean, when they'd 

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asked me, they're like, you 
know, bet you never seen this 

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many black people because in in 
boot camp it was probably about 

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like 40% black guys. 
And I said course I do every 

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Wednesday. 
And they go, what? 

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And I'm like, yeah, watch The 
Cosby Show and they just laugh 

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and they just like, OK, you're 
all right. 

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But being in the military, like,
I I, dude, I didn't ever left 

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the state on my own. 
Ever. 

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Till you were 18. 
Yeah, I mean our, our. 

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And when I grew up, I grew up 
with my family, had no extended 

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family. 
Did you ever go to like Wyoming 

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or Nevada or anything? 
Nevada Yeah, we passed through 

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for going to Mexico to Tijuana. 
I have an uncle that lived down 

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there. 
My dad's originally from Mexico.

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City. 
So you went to Mexico though 

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when you were younger? 
Yeah, I've been to Mexico a 

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bunch of times. 
I don't speak Spanish. 

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But so when was the first time 
you left the state then? 

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I was about six. 
No, no. 

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When I was born, I went to 
Massachusetts. 

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I've only been to Massachusetts 
twice. 

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Once I don't remember. 
And then the next time was when 

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I was 12 and my grandfather died
and he was a piece of shit. 

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But we went out there and. 
Marie's a piece of shit. 

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He was a piece of shit. 
I mean, I learned about the man 

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later on. 
He was a complete piece of shit.

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Died alone, was left in his 
house for like 3 days. 

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Sisters ransacking his house 
while he was sitting there 

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fucking dead. 
Fucked up, right? 

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And I was just like, whatever, I
I don't have anything to do with

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my mom's side of the family, my 
uncles. 

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I I've met him once. 
I'm cool. 

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I keep in touch with my my 
cousin, one cousin on my mom's 

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side. 
That's it. 

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And she's awesome. 
Do you have a pretty small 

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family? 
No, I have a pretty big family 

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on my dad's side. 
He's from Mexico City, born and 

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raised, came here legally. 
He he worked hard to become a 

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citizen of this country. 
Pretty big like Holt side or 

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like pretty big, like bigger 
than that. 

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Bigger than that, the the way 
that Mexican families are, are 

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huge. 
Like when we do, when there's a 

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family reunion, it's insane. 
There's so many people. 

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You're forgetting you're talking
to the elder side. 

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No, the Elder side is fine. 
The Holt side I don't. 

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I don't know. 
That's why I'm curious like 

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what? 
How large is large? 

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Because my just like my grandma,
my aunts and uncles. 

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Oh no, no, that I'm talking like
cousins or anything like that. 

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I had none of that. 
We had none of that to see my 

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grandmother and grandfather in 
Mexico. 

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You had like a really small side
on your dad's side. 

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Yeah, my dad, Noah. 
When we go down there, I only 

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saw my grandmother throughout 
her life maybe 6-7 times and 

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it's. 
Wild to me, and I grew up within

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like a mile of both of my 
grandpa. 

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I bought a home and right across
the street from. 

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My grandpa? 
Yeah, exactly. 

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Grandpa's like. 
I mean, and I bought his home he

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originally had in the 1950s, so 
they bought it. 

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And so it's it's kind of funny, 
'cause like we didn't have that.

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So I wasn't used to extended 
family like you are. 

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Everyone in mine is close, like 
I've got. 

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I remembered that's how we met. 
Somewhere out there. 

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But like outside of the Utah, 
some of them are dispersed 

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throughout the US, but majority 
of all of them are here in Utah 

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and a lot of them are in Utah 
County. 

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And so it's like my dad's side, 
the elder side, when it's just 

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under the umbrella of like my 
grandma, grandpa down or like 

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160. 
That's crazy. 

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That's crazy 'cause I I I didn't
have that. 

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And so for me, as much as a 
outgoing out, I mean you've 

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you've been with me to 
networking events like Oh yeah, 

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everybody knows. 
But you're socialism. 

449
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,760
Like a little social butterfly. 
Yeah, exactly. 

450
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,360
And I'll go anywhere. 
But The thing is, like, I have 

451
00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:38,760
no extended family. 
So extended family. 

452
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,160
When I married into it, it was a
lot for me. 

453
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,160
It's like, oh, we got to go 
here, we got to go there. 

454
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,240
And I'm like, what the fuck? 
I was like, I didn't have to do 

455
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,960
any of that shit grown. 
Well, and I feel like 20 years 

456
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,960
ago there was way more stuff 
that that old side did. 

457
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,360
So you know, it would have been 
way more stuff like hey, we got 

458
00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:57,680
to go here, we got to be here 
and. 

459
00:23:58,120 --> 00:24:01,120
Yeah, but it it's it's unique 
and that, and I don't think 

460
00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:04,080
that's really unique to Utah. 
But I do notice that Utah 

461
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,000
families are bigger. 
Like I have a big family. 

462
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,840
I have 5 kids and. 
I mean, I come from a family of 

463
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,920
five. 
Yeah, you come from a family of.

464
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,800
4/4, Yeah, 4 kids. 
I always forget about your 

465
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,800
another brother or other sister.
Yeah, Ahmad. 

466
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,880
Is. 
I mean you got we we we engage. 

467
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,080
We associate with each other. 
That would be the best way to 

468
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,280
say it. 
We associate your family's a 

469
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,280
little bit more tighter. 
My my side. 

470
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:34,120
Not so much. 
You know my brother and I, my 

471
00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:39,440
brother served in the military 
and I I pushed him to go and and

472
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,120
I mean there's regret but 
there's also a lot of like he's 

473
00:24:42,120 --> 00:24:45,680
glad he went but he's he's 
awesome. 

474
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,840
He's he's a piece of shit. 
Fuck you fuck face. 

475
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,280
I hope you're listening to this.
That's how we treat each other. 

476
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,040
That's the family I grew up. 
I grew up in a very poking fun 

477
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,280
at you family. 
I have very thick skin and the 

478
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,360
only time I get mad is when you 
get mad and then I'm like, oh, 

479
00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:07,960
you wanna fucking go like let's 
do this like, but that's also my

480
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,680
family. 
My dad picked on me all the 

481
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,560
time. 
It's the weirdest. 

482
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,760
Like we go over to my my parents
house or something, my my dad's 

483
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,280
house and my dad will like make 
a comment or say something and 

484
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,040
my girlfriend's like what the 
hell? 

485
00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:24,200
Well, it's like, it's just how 
he is. 

486
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:28,600
It's how he grew up like, but we
give each other a shit and. 

487
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,800
I mean, did I think about all 
the things that you could say 

488
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,960
right now that I'm not gonna say
on this podcast? 

489
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,760
But I'm just like I'm that's 
like being some of the. 

490
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:36,600
Comments. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

491
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,200
Because I I think of it, see, 
like my dad, my dad just would 

492
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,040
like, you know, if we hit our 
heads when we were kids, he'd 

493
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,800
go, oh, who told you he had a 
big head? 

494
00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:47,640
Like, I'm crying. 
Yeah, you know, and and all 

495
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,280
those things, like, you just 
tease us. 

496
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,360
But that's how our family was. 
We would just tease each other. 

497
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,720
And maybe in some way, that was 
a really good thing. 

498
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,080
My parents were preparing us for
going, hey, you know what? 

499
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,160
The world's going to be a little
hard on you and they're going to

500
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,240
say things to hurt your 
feelings. 

501
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,520
So don't take it so personal, 
Right? 

502
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,040
Yeah. 
I got picked on all the time. 

503
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,960
I am a really small person and I
was really short too. 

504
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,120
So then that combined with being
a little fucking weirdo. 

505
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,640
But Oh yeah, it was perfect 
company getting picked on. 

506
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,480
And and and I just. 
Had like this really smart ass 

507
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,160
mouth, and that's basically what
came from it. 

508
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,880
It was like, all right, well, I 
can't beat you up, but you're 

509
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,600
gonna make me feel bad, so I'm 
gonna make you feel like shit. 

510
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,400
So then they're gonna beat you? 
Yeah. 

511
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,120
No, I didn't grow up that way. 
I grew up. 

512
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,200
I was the oldest out of four, 
and that's why I was put into 

513
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,840
martial arts, to defend myself 
and defend my family. 

514
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,680
And then I became the family 
Pitbull. 

515
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,280
Growing up, if anybody got hurt 
or somebody picked on one of my 

516
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,520
siblings, it wasn't like, you 
know how it is today. 

517
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,280
It's very litigious. 
It's just like, I'm going to sue

518
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,680
you if you did this to my child.
It's more of like you told your 

519
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,480
kid going well. 
Don't put it up Next time they 

520
00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:59,960
say that to you, fucking punch 
him. 

521
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:01,280
At least that's the way I grew 
up. 

522
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,000
You didn't grow up that way. 
No. 

523
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,240
You gripe in a very non 
confrontational family. 

524
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,040
My family. 
Very. 

525
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,160
Confrontational. 
Yeah. 

526
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,080
It was just more of a, well, 
actually, I take that back. 

527
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,880
So I would fight with my brother
and my mom would just go, if 

528
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,240
you're going to fight, go 
outside. 

529
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,440
Because my dad was always 
growing up, so growing up in my 

530
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,920
dad's house, they would fight 
all the time. 

531
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,640
There was eight kids and six of 
them were boys. 

532
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,320
And so the rule was, if you're 
going to fight, go outside. 

533
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:28,720
I don't want blood on the 
carpet. 

534
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,800
So in my parents house, if we 
were fighting and you know we 

535
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,200
were, they weren't allowing us 
to fight. 

536
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,680
It was go outside. 
Yeah, we didn't, we didn't fight

537
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,120
very much. 
You know, if we got physical, 

538
00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:44,440
like the only time I remember 
getting physical with my brother

539
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,880
growing up was when I was out of
the Navy like, never when we 

540
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,600
were young. 
I mean, he's he's a lot younger 

541
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,440
than me. 
He's well, he's not a lot 

542
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,200
younger than me. 
My brother is 40, so he's about,

543
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,680
yeah, he's about five years 
younger than me, but he still 

544
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,120
grew up around the same era. 
But we didn't hit each other. 

545
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,320
But what we were taught is to 
defend each other, you know, 

546
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,320
which is kind of odd that we're 
not as close. 

547
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:12,760
Brothers, sometimes, my young 
Alec, we shared a room and it 

548
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,880
would be at bedtime because I'd 
be tired and I'd want to go to 

549
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,240
sleep, and Alec would want to 
stay up and chat, and he'd keep 

550
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,120
talking and he'd keep talking 
and keep talking. 

551
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,920
And I'm like, bro, if you don't 
shut up, I'm going to punch you.

552
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,360
And I'd count to three and then 
I'd get up and punch him, and 

553
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:32,160
then he'd go, ma'am, and I get 
in trouble for punching him. 

554
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,280
But that was the only time that 
I really would punch my 

555
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,560
siblings, Except for when Curtis
punched me in the face buttons 

556
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,440
and I spun him around and I 
punched him the square of his 

557
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,360
back about 6-7 times as hard as 
I could. 

558
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,320
And I told him, don't ever punch
anyone in the face again, 'cause

559
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,320
I had braces and it stuck to my 
lip. 

560
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:59,840
So I was really pissed and I I 
was stronger than him. 

561
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,160
So I would always put him in his
place because he was always 

562
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,160
angry and would pick on all the 
other siblings and would get mad

563
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,400
and threaten my youngest brother
or Alec or someone. 

564
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,400
So then I'd have to step in 
between. 

565
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,320
And so it was just like when he 
punched me in the face, he 

566
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,760
pissed me off and I spun him 
around. 

567
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,920
And aside from that, like I 
would never hit my siblings but.

568
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,400
Now we we fought, but it was 
always verbal. 

569
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,840
We never hit each other. 
It'd be more, I feel like 

570
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,720
wrestling and stuff kind of like
not even but. 

571
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,600
But I had sisters. 
I had younger, my sister right 

572
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,280
below me. 
She, you know, she could get 

573
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,320
violent. 
Yeah, yeah, like all of us were 

574
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,640
taught to defend ourselves. 
But I was given all of that kind

575
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,640
of responsibility. 
So I became a martial artist 

576
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,080
from when I was young, and I 
was. 

577
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,360
I was a natural. 
I could naturally adapt to it. 

578
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:01,680
I loved learning it, and I did 
so throughout all of growing up 

579
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,400
and through my adolescence into 
my 20s. 

580
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:10,360
I tore my ACL In my late 20s and
early 30s. 

581
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,280
It was my late 20s. 
I tore my ACL and that was it. 

582
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,720
That was it. 
No, it was in my 30s. 

583
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,520
I was 31. 
I tore my ACL and then I 

584
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,160
couldn't do. 
I was trying to that. 

585
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,840
Still affected it today, though.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

586
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,680
I mean, I I was the only way I 
knew about it was I was doing a 

587
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,200
judo throw. 
Now it's hot new. 

588
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,680
Oh sweet. 
Yeah. 

589
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,120
I was doing a judo throw and my 
knee gave out and so I was like 

590
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,520
fuck. 
So then I went to sports 

591
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:41,360
medicine doctor and and they did
an MRI and they're like, yeah, 

592
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,840
it's gone. 
Like you could see it in the MRI

593
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:49,080
just destroyed just frayed at 
both ends of a rope G and so 

594
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,840
like you cut it you know how it 
just blooms yeah that looks like

595
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:58,040
between and so I I I mean it's 
extremely expensive surgery so 

596
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,680
I've never got that fixed. 
So martial arts used to be a 

597
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,360
huge part of my life it it's not
as much anymore. 

598
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,240
Yeah. 
I still. 

599
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,240
Oh, it's like sports. 
Are you still sports? 

600
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,200
Yeah, but I I. 
Not not like you. 

601
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,760
No, but I mean on this side 
like. 

602
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,320
Medication. 
But also, I tested it all the 

603
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,560
time. 
So I hit in lots of street 

604
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,520
fights and I I was bouncer and 
being able to utilize it there. 

605
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,160
But the and I worked at the 
state hospital here in Utah and 

606
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,480
I had to protect myself a lot. 
I've been in dozens upon dozens 

607
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,400
of physical encounters, violent 
encounters, and not including 

608
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,760
the ones that I'd find myself 
and and that was on a daily 

609
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,920
occurrence. 
And I worked to being able to 

610
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,400
help lower down assaults. 
And that's kind of like where I 

611
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,920
got the first starts of of 
mentoring, coaching, being able 

612
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,880
to work with people with my 
voice instead of just getting 

613
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,680
physical with them. 
Because I love the physical 

614
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:54,840
stuff. 
I enjoyed it. 

615
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,280
I I loved it. 
I love getting them trying to 

616
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,600
hurt me. 
And I I didn't mind the pain. 

617
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,080
I enjoyed the pain. 
I still enjoy the pain, to a 

618
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,400
point and. 
That's why his wife has these 

619
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,040
little chokey collars arm and 
stuff. 

620
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,200
Armageddon. 
That's my safe word. 

621
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:15,800
Armageddon 4 Horsewood 4 
Horsewood Armageddon. 

622
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:23,840
But no, I I'm, I'm, I'm a pretty
open guy, have a lot of violent 

623
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,840
tendencies that are still baked 
into me. 

624
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,960
I'm a nice guy now, but I 
haven't forgot my violence. 

625
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,720
I'm a weird I I collect knives, 
I love knives. 

626
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,880
I always got a knife on me and 
it's. 

627
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,320
True. 
And. 

628
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,360
I can't tell you how many knife 
demonstrations I've had in my 

629
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,360
front room with a new knife. 
Yeah, like, I can cut here, 

630
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,000
here, here, here, Let me show 
you this. 

631
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,320
But yeah, I've I'm, yeah, I I 
like that kind of stuff. 

632
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,360
But other than that, I like 
playing video games. 

633
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,120
I like reading business books, 
marketing books, behavioral 

634
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,120
psychology books, consumer 
psychology. 

635
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,600
Like, I'm really into that 
stuff. 

636
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,680
But beyond that, like what's 
something else did you enjoy? 

637
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,480
Oh, archery. 
We haven't done that in a long 

638
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:11,640
time. 
I just love doing that. 

639
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,280
We got like a 70 year old bow. 
Yeah, nice recurve bow. 

640
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,280
Got a? 
Still works. 

641
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,200
I have like a 30 LB Turkish 
horse bow, which is fun, but 

642
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,640
it's like a really unique style 
to. 

643
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,520
Learn, It's very cool. 
I don't know. 

644
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,560
I've enjoyed that, but that's 
been a long time. 

645
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,600
I love reading, learning. 
I do. 

646
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,680
I'm a big fiction fan. 
I read every once in awhile. 

647
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,200
Like I read the 1st 3 Dune books
this year, which was luck for me

648
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:48,960
but I loved them. 
And then I I've been mostly just

649
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,480
I'm big into lately. 
I feel like reading law, 

650
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:58,320
studying law, all sorts of 
random stuff with that history. 

651
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:04,480
I love history, religious 
history, just world history. 

652
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,000
Archaeological stuff is always 
cool. 

653
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,400
I like watching videos on that. 
I don't know if I've really read

654
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,120
much on stuff like that. 
No, I'm. 

655
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,960
I consume like that either 
through podcasts or through 

656
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,120
videos. 
I'll watch those and get really 

657
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,080
into them like and that's why I 
I used to love Joe Rogan's 

658
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,679
podcast back in the day because 
he would have some really 

659
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,920
interesting guests. 
Yeah, it wasn't just because of 

660
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,600
how it is now. 
It just he had the interesting 

661
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,480
guests. 
Like I love listening to Graham 

662
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,199
Hancock. 
I would have never found him 

663
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:34,520
without Joe Rogan or it's. 
True. 

664
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,159
I mean, there's a million people
that have totaled Joe Rogan. 

665
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,360
They're just like, oh wow, I've 
never heard about that. 

666
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,560
I want to get more into it. 
And so it's. 

667
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:46,000
Even the bright inside guy who 
went yeah, I I loved his before 

668
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:47,679
with. 
Jimmy Yeah, for a long time. 

669
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:49,760
Then it was like, oh shit, he's 
on Joe. 

670
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,120
Yeah, it was cool. 
Yeah, I I I'm the same way, man.

671
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,280
Like on that. 
I love learning about different 

672
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,160
societies, cultures. 
I really understand cultures. 

673
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,960
Traveling and visiting cultures.
I know you kind of got burnt out

674
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,440
on travel in military. 
I don't, I haven't done that 

675
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,000
much. 
I've done like maybe 10 

676
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,080
countries and so. 
I don't know how many I've been 

677
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,320
to. 
Oh, I see I could. 

678
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,880
I mean, probably not that much, 
but I got to spend a good enough

679
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,520
time there. 
Yeah, but it was the travel like

680
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,920
for those who who've been in the
Navy. 

681
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,280
Oh, that's a different kind of 
travel who? 

682
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,240
Sure. 
You know, they're just like, you

683
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:29,840
know, somebody goes, you want to
go on a cruise? 

684
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,600
I'm like, why would I want to go
on a cruise like that? 

685
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:33,600
You don't. 
Have to work on. 

686
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,640
This I know, but at the same 
time like it's it's still, it's 

687
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,120
just it was weird, you know? 
I mean, being out at the ocean 

688
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,880
for months at a time, especially
when I was out there, like we 

689
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,240
had, like we had restrictions 
because it wasn't even wartime. 

690
00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:50,520
Yeah. 
And it was just crazy, man. 

691
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,080
Like you're just out there 
forever. 

692
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,360
Just. 
For me, I Lou, I find the ocean 

693
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,960
really calming. 
If I was on it for like months 

694
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,920
and months and months and like 
workers, it might suck. 

695
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,040
But if I'm if I'm Glock, it 
does. 

696
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,760
Not suck, but like you get, you 
get to the point that it's 

697
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,400
either, like, so accustomed or 
you don't admire it the same. 

698
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,680
I've lived here my whole life. 
I never had the same 

699
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,560
appreciation for the mountains, 
I think, until I went to like 

700
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,400
the Midwest or Texas. 
And then I came back and it was 

701
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,320
like, Oh my God, I just feel 
like I'm surrounded by mountains

702
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,440
versus like, I can see the end 
of forever. 

703
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,720
And I fucking hate this. 
Well, I mean then some people 

704
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:33,200
enjoy it, but even it's the same
thing. 

705
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,720
Like when people from Hawaii 
come here and they're like, oh 

706
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:38,440
man, this is amazing and all 
you're thinking is you're from 

707
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:39,720
Hawaii. 
What are you talking about? 

708
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:42,240
But because. 
It's beautiful in its own way. 

709
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:45,360
Well, but it's different to 
visit than it is to live. 

710
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,120
Always. 
You know, it's like where we 

711
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,200
grew up here, there's a 
university in Hawaii, BYU, 

712
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,640
Hawaii, Brigham Young University
Hawaii, and lots of people 

713
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,920
wanted to go there. 
And I had a friend, she went 

714
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,960
there and she said it sucked. 
She said it was so expensive to 

715
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,440
live there, she thought she'd 
saved enough money that she was 

716
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,240
literally sleeping on a blow up 
mattress while she was going 

717
00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:11,320
there, barely eating any food. 
And she's like, it was horrible.

718
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,920
And I left after my first 
semester, like it just wasn't. 

719
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,120
But she was a kid and I thought 
it was awesome. 

720
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,360
She went at that time, had that 
experience. 

721
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,760
And that's why I think it was so
great for me to be able to go to

722
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,840
the military when I did, because
I was. 

723
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,880
I was 18 when I signed up and I 
left for the military. 

724
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,840
And it was the best for me. 
Like, I got to be more. 

725
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,080
I I was never independent 
growing up. 

726
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,960
My parents were there for 
everything. 

727
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,280
I didn't pay for anything. 
I had a job that paid for gas in

728
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,440
the car that they bought for me,
so you know. 

729
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,760
I didn't have to get a job. 
I worked with my dad every 

730
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,400
summer, and then I worked with 
him on weekends, and that since 

731
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,400
I was 9. 
But I didn't have to have a job 

732
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,680
until I was 16 and I totaled the
car that my parents bought for 

733
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,480
me, and I didn't have to pay for
insurance. 

734
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,280
I didn't have to pay for 
anything before that. 

735
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:03,200
And then I totaled it and 
they're like, cool. 

736
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,200
And now you need to get a job, 
'cause you have to pay for 

737
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,240
ticket towing insurance, like 
the deductible and that. 

738
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,080
And I was like, shit, I don't 
have that much money, so I had 

739
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,720
to go get a job in order to do 
that. 

740
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,480
Yeah, I always had a job. 
I remember when I was 16, my dad

741
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,080
got me a brand new, shiny job 
application for Chuck E Cheese. 

742
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,760
And he's like, you're gonna go 
get a job and you're gonna work 

743
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:23,760
and you're gonna earn your own 
money. 

744
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:28,440
And I I hated that job, But I 
was glad that he did that when 

745
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,760
he did it. 
Would I be the same way today? 

746
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,120
No. 
I want my kids to be kids as 

747
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,000
long as possible. 
Like I, you know, I I don't want

748
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,200
them to feel like they've got to
grow up so fast because today's 

749
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,640
world makes them feel I. 
Was kind of glad that I got a 

750
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:47,480
job at 16 because when I did, it
actually opened the door for me 

751
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,840
to do a lot more things that I 
actually wanted to do or liked 

752
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,960
doing. 
I got way more into 

753
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,920
paintballing. 
I used to paintball with my 

754
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,440
brother every single week. 
We would go all the time, and it

755
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,680
was amazing. 
But it was because I just had 

756
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,680
disposable income that I could 
justify doing that. 

757
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,880
And I didn't have to worry, 
'cause my parents, you know, my,

758
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,760
you know, my mom, she's frugal 
as fuck. 

759
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,160
I grew up thinking we were poor 
because all we ate was homemade,

760
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,800
everything. 
We didn't have nice stuff. 

761
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:22,560
We weren't like we never were 
given, or the things in our home

762
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,920
weren't the nicest things. 
Yeah, Christmas and. 

763
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,400
Things were, yeah, everything 
was super minimal. 

764
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,680
There was no vacations. 
Vacations was like camping or 

765
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:37,160
driving to Southern Utah until I
was 1414 years old, was the 

766
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,120
first time that I ever went to 
Disneyland. 

767
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,640
That was the first time I left 
the state. 

768
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,560
No, I take that back. 
Grandma and Grandpa Holt took me

769
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:48,640
out of the state for a trip when
with staff and Aubrey and all of

770
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,320
that when I was 9. 
Aside from that, I never left 

771
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,720
the state, but that's because my
mom is so frugal, so I never 

772
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:57,680
knew. 
It's because she paid off the 

773
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,520
house in 10 years. 
She like, she was really fucking

774
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,680
frugal and good with money and 
so at the end of that, like. 

775
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,880
We started taking trips by the 
time I was 14. 

776
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,000
It went from, hey, I went to 
Disneyland for my first time to 

777
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,080
now I'd gone to Mexico. 
I've gone, I've gone to like 

778
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,320
probably 40 out of the 50 states
almost. 

779
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,240
I've been to 10 different 
countries. 

780
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,000
Like, I've gone and traveled 
now, and all of that has been 

781
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,320
from my parents. 
I haven't paid for shit for 

782
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,240
that. 
Well, and I mean, I grew up 

783
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:32,080
poor. 
I grew up poor for the majority 

784
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:37,440
of my youth. 
Up until, again it was around 

785
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,560
when my grandfather died, my 
grandfather left my mother 

786
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,440
everything. 
So that changed our lives. 

787
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,480
Where they built a home, they 
had a home, but it was an older 

788
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,600
home in a in a rough part of of 
Orem, UT the city you live in. 

789
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:54,120
And it it was a rough part of 
this area. 

790
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:59,120
Even today it's still a rough 
part, and I didn't know any 

791
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,640
different. 
But I loved my childhood. 

792
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:04,240
I I had an act of imagination 
and I was always playing. 

793
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:07,640
I didn't get along with kids in 
the church at all. 

794
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,040
I didn't like bullies. 
I was one of the great things 

795
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,160
about being in martial arts and 
not being afraid of 'cause I was

796
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,440
taught in an area where, you 
know, you didn't have a lot of 

797
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,440
padding. 
It was just like you just kicked

798
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,080
the shit out of each other and 
the better you got, you didn't 

799
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,360
get hurt as much and now it's 
like the you look like the state

800
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,400
buff marshmallow man if you want
to touch each other. 

801
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:25,560
And I'm like, what the fuck is 
this? 

802
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,560
But in my buddy, we're boxing. 
When I was little, and how we 

803
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,120
boxed was his brother had one 
set of gloves. 

804
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,720
So I got one glove and he got 
one glove. 

805
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,120
That meant one fist had a glove 
and the other didn't. 

806
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,000
That was. 
It yeah, it's. 

807
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:45,280
And I grew up with with that and
being poor and I never really 

808
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:50,040
thought about that, not until I 
was older where, you know, not 

809
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,720
only was I from a Hispanic 
family and it was getting a 

810
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:54,760
little bit more accepted at the 
time, but it was still 

811
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,120
predominantly white at the time,
still so. 

812
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,720
Hispanic friends growing up? 
Yeah, but I mean, I didn't have 

813
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:02,800
very and I wasn't. 
I didn't seem like I I didn't 

814
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,480
speak Spanish. 
Yeah, I'm white. 

815
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,640
I look white. 
But you know, for the I mean, my

816
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,760
dad looks more European than 
anything else. 

817
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,360
Even though both of my 
grandparents are racist in some 

818
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,840
Ave. like some aspect. 
Yeah, but those, they grew up 

819
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,720
during this farm. 
I feel like they didn't push it 

820
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:19,400
down. 
Like it was never there was 

821
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,640
never a hatred. 
Grandma and Grandpa Holt went to

822
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,040
Mexico and taught English when 
my mom was little. 

823
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,480
Then they went to China several 
times and taught English and 

824
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,720
Ukraine. 
Like they were always out 

825
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,680
helping and spending time with 
other cultures. 

826
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,800
And my dad's side like they 
were, yeah, they had comments or

827
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,960
things, but there was never 
hatred. 

828
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,400
There was never a thing of like 
us and them, so growing up it 

829
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,800
was just other people. 
Yeah, I experienced racism all 

830
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,920
throughout my my youth. 
Which is terrible cause but I'm 

831
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:53,560
white. 
I didn't. 

832
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,760
I haven't had that thing. 
No, no, but I mean that that's 

833
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,600
the thing though it it was just 
I didn't understand it. 

834
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,480
I didn't understand growing up 
here in Utah, that what. 

835
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:06,000
Race was explain it and you're 
like, I'm a kid and I'm getting 

836
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,480
picked on by all these, you 
know? 

837
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,680
Other people spic or what? 
And I'm thinking about all these

838
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,280
little kids and I'm like, if 
that was my kid, I'd be so 

839
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,600
fucking pissed. 
Yeah, I mean that was the great 

840
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,280
thing. 
Like, you know, one of the 

841
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,520
things of growing up like this, 
this is a funny, funny story. 

842
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,400
So there was these guys I hung 
out with that were, I mean 

843
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,320
they're as redneck as they get. 
I mean these guys had longer. 

844
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:33,160
I grew up during the time of 80s
and 90s metal, so and I grew up 

845
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,800
in Utah. 
So if you had metal dudes, these

846
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:38,480
are like mullet dudes who had 
like Jean jackets on where 

847
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,880
they'd fucking like do the logos
for the bands. 

848
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,080
And that's funny. 
And they thought it was hardcore

849
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,240
like Metallica. 
Like, I listen to heavy shit 

850
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:49,320
now. 
I listen to like real heavy shit

851
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:50,360
and talk about that in a little 
bit. 

852
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,400
But you know, throughout all of 
that, like I was growing up in 

853
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,160
that time, these guys were not 
the best guys to be hanging out 

854
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,680
with and I broke ties with them.
One day my brother comes home 

855
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,280
and he has got lashes all over 
him like red Marks. 

856
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,920
And two of my former friends had
been chasing him. 

857
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:17,080
Now my brother is in, He's like 
first second grade at this time 

858
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,400
3rd grade. 
And these are kids who are 

859
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:27,600
eighth grade, real fucked up. 
And so he comes home and he ran 

860
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,880
home and I was like, what 
happened? 

861
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,880
And he's like, your friends were
whipping me with these ropes and

862
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,920
I was like, where are they? 
And he goes, they chased me 

863
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,240
back, They're outside. 
They asked you to come outside 

864
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:41,880
And when my grandfather died 
we've got to go to his house. 

865
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,200
He left everything to my mom and
my mom was really nice. 

866
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,120
She gave some of the things to 
her brothers even though they 

867
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,040
were written out of the well. 
But one of the things that was 

868
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:56,920
there was this 10 foot long 
black and white checkered 

869
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,400
rawhide bull whip. 
And I used to thought, I used to

870
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,960
think that Indiana Jones was 
super cool and I had this 

871
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,280
telephone pole in the backyard 
and I'd whip it and practice on 

872
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,560
grabbing. 
So there was a certain way you 

873
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,320
could turn your wrist and it 
would grab onto it and then 

874
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,480
you'd flip it and release. 
And so I got really good at 

875
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,200
that. 
And then I could also whip it so

876
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,800
I could smack paper, 'cause I I 
could train it as a weapon. 

877
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,560
It was really long. 
And I went to my room and I 

878
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:28,160
grabbed that bull hide whip and 
I put it behind my back, came 

879
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,840
outside and I'm like, what's up?
And they're like, Oh yeah, 

880
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,080
what's up, Lil Spick. 
And I'm like, cool whoop. 

881
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,360
And I just kind of whipped it 
out and the first guy, his name 

882
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,440
is Ryan, he took off running and
I went and it wrapped around his

883
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,360
head, yanked him down and he hit
the ground. 

884
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:49,440
Then I released it And then just
start to whip this other guy 

885
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,160
named Matt. 
Just whap, whap. 

886
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,600
You know, this is checkered and 
it's woven. 

887
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,280
Oh yeah. 
So after I whipped the shit out 

888
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:02,880
of these kids out in front of 
our house, hour later both of 

889
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,880
the mothers with their kids show
up to our house and they're 

890
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,760
yelling at my parents going, 
look what your son did to mine. 

891
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:15,040
And I came out behind my dad on 
our back porch straight up look 

892
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,280
like it's out of like Watts in 
California like so ghetto as 

893
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,440
fuck, like I grew up in this 
ghetto and it didn't know it. 

894
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:26,600
Not until much later and and 
they're like you you did this to

895
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,480
my son. 
I'm like and I pulled my little 

896
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,800
brother out and he's got whip 
marks all over him and I'm like 

897
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,120
look what they did to my 
brother. 

898
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,000
And the mother turned. 
One of the mothers turned 

899
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,080
around, just started beating the
shit out of her kid right there 

900
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,880
on the driveway. 
I'd be so fucking pissed if that

901
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,600
was my kid who did that to some 
other. 

902
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,240
Kid, I hurt him because they 
hurt my brother. 

903
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,480
But dude, they had welts on the 
like. 

904
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:48,880
That kid I wrapped around his 
head. 

905
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,280
There was this like grill bark 
covered off of his forehead and 

906
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,720
it was hilarious. 
Dude, his whole body was. 

907
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:57,480
Fucking deserved that. 
Like that's the kind of stuff 

908
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,320
that makes it's so frustrating 
to see and it's like what that 

909
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,280
child do to you to deserve that.
It's like, well, he existed. 

910
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,400
He's different than me and it's 
like, well, you can. 

911
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,400
But we didn't look, we didn't 
look dark like my sister and I 

912
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,320
look more Hispanic than my other
siblings. 

913
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:14,800
And you don't even look 
Hispanic. 

914
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,440
No, I mean, if I. 
But even if you did, like who 

915
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:18,680
the hell cares? 
Well, that's the thing. 

916
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,240
Like I I would get more of when 
I get really dark when I was 

917
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:25,720
younger, like either Hawaiian or
or whatever. 

918
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:27,840
It was funny. 
I even got a trouble with that 

919
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,920
one when we went surfing in 
Hawaii when I was in the 

920
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,840
military. 
And dude, this white kid in our,

921
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,520
in our ship, he went with us and
he's just paddling out. 

922
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,080
And this is in Laia. 
And I didn't know that they had 

923
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,560
the Laia boys. 
These are gang out there and 

924
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,520
they were like not cool this big
tongue And dude walks up to me, 

925
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,520
goes, hey brah, where are you 
from? 

926
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,120
So where do you think I'm from? 
You from New Zealand? 

927
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,120
Yeah brah. 
OK, you can surf here, but 

928
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,560
you're highly friends. 
They got to get out of water and

929
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,520
they went out there and chased 
these guys out and were like, 

930
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,680
let's just go somewhere else. 
But yeah, I mean, I never. 

931
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,280
I didn't look that. 
But because of my last name, I 

932
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,320
was. 
I mean, they knew, they knew, 

933
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,640
and I didn't care, you know, 
'cause there was a couple other 

934
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,960
kids, like a lot of Martinez and
stuff like that. 

935
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,200
I just got teased because my 
last name's Elder, and growing 

936
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,120
in Utah, it's like, oh, Elder, 
Elder. 

937
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:25,280
And that got to me all the time.
It drove me nuts. 

938
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,360
Well, at least people could 
pronounce your name. 

939
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,720
I got Angelo's angle. 
Ease. 

940
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:31,520
Anal ease. 
One of my friends. 

941
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:35,200
Yeah, I I even got that with 
friends. 

942
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,720
Well, dude, it followed me all 
the way into the military. 

943
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:39,840
Like it it. 
You know what's funny is that 

944
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,360
people get this whole thing. 
If I put loss in front of my 

945
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,240
last name, they would pronounce 
it every single time. 

946
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:46,720
But because it's not they the 
the brain. 

947
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:49,520
Just like short circuit. 
And when I got to the Navy, I 

948
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:54,480
reported to my ship. 
And you have duty for every week

949
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,080
there's a duty section that will
be there every day. 

950
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,240
And you will be on that duty 
section maybe one week maybe two

951
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:02,320
weeks out of the month. 
Who knows. 

952
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,880
But they just pick their roster 
and you go and they were calling

953
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,920
over the this PA system. 
They're going firemen. 

954
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,640
Angeles report to the quarter 
deck. 

955
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,640
And I'm like, and this guy goes,
dude that's your name. 

956
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:17,320
You're Angeles and the Angeles. 
And I'm like, no, I'm Angeles. 

957
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:18,680
That's Angeles. 
I don't know who the fuck that 

958
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,240
guy is, but he's got to go to 
duty section muster and I get to

959
00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:25,480
the brow of the ship and I bring
up my car. 

960
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,440
They have permission to go 
ashore and they're no permission

961
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,080
granted. 
And I walk down the brow and 

962
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:33,800
then the next week I was on duty
section and they call me again. 

963
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,960
They're like Fireman Anglies 
report to the quarter deck and 

964
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,920
one of the guys like, dude, 
you're going to get in trouble 

965
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,040
if you're not reporting to duty 
section. 

966
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,760
I'm like, well I don't know who 
Anglies is. 

967
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,720
I am Fireman Angeles. 
Such a stubborn shit. 

968
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,280
And then there was this non 
commissioned officer a senior 

969
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,640
chief waiting at the brow and he
caught me and he's like he goes 

970
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:56,960
Stan fast sailor what's your 
name? 

971
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,920
I said Fireman Angeles senior. 
And he goes, you've had duty 

972
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,240
section that you've been 
purposely missing and I'm like, 

973
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,840
I don't know what you're talking
about And he goes, we have been 

974
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,040
calling your name over the over 
the P, over the. 

975
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,160
They call it the one MC that 
we've been calling you from that

976
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,440
for weeks now. 
How come you haven't been 

977
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,360
showing up? 
And I'm like, I still have no 

978
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,680
recollection of this 'cause my 
name is Fireman Angeles and he 

979
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,920
goes, Are you saying that you 
haven't reported the duty 

980
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,840
because we couldn't pronounce 
your last name? 

981
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:27,200
It's not my fault, name's full 
of elaborates. 

982
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:28,600
How many people are on that 
ship? 

983
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,640
On my ship at the time, there 
was only we were smart ship 

984
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,520
during Clinton's time, so we had
300. 

985
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:39,440
And you were supposed to know 
everyone on that ship? 

986
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,560
Oh dude, when it was fully 
manned, it's 800. 

987
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,600
At the beginning, you were 
supposed to know if there was 

988
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,200
another fireman, Angeles. 
Right. 

989
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:46,400
Well, no. 
Angeles. 

990
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,600
But that's what I told her. 
I said it's not my fault the 

991
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,560
Navy's full of illiterates, and 
so I had to. 

992
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,000
I got duty Section that day, 
scraping it, and I and I had to 

993
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,280
mop the deck. 
I I I had to clean a bunch of 

994
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,320
passageways and shit like that. 
He was pissed at me, and 

995
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:03,400
rightfully so, but, you know, it
was even stupid stuff like that.

996
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,320
I don't, Most people don't know 
that I'm Hispanic. 

997
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,560
They don't even think I'm from 
Utah most of the time. 

998
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,040
And the funniest comment I've 
ever got is going. 

999
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,960
I thought you'd be taller. 
I'm 5-8. 

1000
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,760
Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm a short 
stocky. 

1001
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:17,800
Guy, you know what's 
interesting? 

1002
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,520
And you can't tell right now, 
but in the summer when I was 

1003
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,560
younger, in like 16, I went to 
Mexico and people thought I was 

1004
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,200
Hispanic. 
No. 

1005
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,520
Yeah. 
No, I don't get that. 

1006
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:34,160
I don't either, but it's because
in the summer, when I was out 

1007
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,720
all the time, I was actually 
fucking dark. 

1008
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,720
Well, I have cousins down there 
that are red headed white. 

1009
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,960
We're very different looking. 
Still, I don't know. 

1010
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,520
I mean I it. 
Was just funny. 

1011
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,320
I I don't get. 
I mean when the times I It's 

1012
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,600
been a long time since I've been
to Mexico. 

1013
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:53,600
A long time. 
My wife has been there before. 

1014
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,000
I have. 
Really. 

1015
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:56,880
Oh, she went on that trip. 
Huh. 

1016
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,120
Yeah, that I won. 
Yeah, that was crazy. 

1017
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,120
Oh. 
It's been 20 years, probably 

1018
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,120
since I've been to Mexico. 
Yeah, I've been out of the 

1019
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,640
States in a really long time. 
I don't, I don't enjoy travel. 

1020
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,840
The reason why? 
I was just associated with 

1021
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,960
growing up. 
It was always it was hard to do 

1022
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,160
and it was expensive for my 
family. 

1023
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,520
And you know, we didn't have 
much. 

1024
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,640
So I I've just used to that. 
I'm just used to that. 

1025
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,960
I don't. 
I don't like going places. 

1026
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,680
My idea of like chilling out and
having a good time at home and 

1027
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,360
doing absolutely nothing is a 
vacation to me. 

1028
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,080
It means I'm not doing anything.
I don't want to go see shit. 

1029
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,560
I don't want to go do shit. 
I just want to go chill. 

1030
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,120
We used to get a beach house 
every other year in in 

1031
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:43,520
Oceanside, CA Yeah, absolutely. 
Love that town and we'd go there

1032
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,640
for a week and that's it. 
That's the only thing I could 

1033
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,800
stand. 
But most of the time the only 

1034
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,840
reason why I couldn't stand 
because I go get 2 carts and I 

1035
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,400
puff on that. 
From morning until night. 

1036
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:59,640
I am high The entire time I am, 
I'll go through those two carts 

1037
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,800
in those five days, like 'cause 
I'm just high the entire time. 

1038
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,840
I'm a pretty boring vanilla guy 
like you. 

1039
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,920
You listen to the stories I have
in your life. 

1040
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,680
What the? 
You know, when I was younger, 

1041
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,120
dude, when I was younger, I did 
almost everything. 

1042
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,520
I feel like when we're younger, 
we're a lot more wild, like. 

1043
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,640
Oh, totally. 
When you have kids, it really 

1044
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,840
changes you. 
Oh yeah, like a ton. 

1045
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:24,560
And it's just it's very 
different once you have kids. 

1046
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:26,520
Yeah, but that's that's the 
thing though. 

1047
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,000
I took my time. 
I mean, I I. 

1048
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,520
Really didn't have kids till you
were. 

1049
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:33,120
Much later, my first son was 
born when I was 28. 

1050
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,000
OK. 
Yeah. 

1051
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,520
So I didn't think quite 30 that.
Would be a a pretty early stage 

1052
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,920
now for many couples today, 
they're choosing to have kids in

1053
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,200
their 30s. 
You know, some are in the 20s, 

1054
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,440
but it's going up. 
But at the same time, I'm gonna 

1055
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,160
be an old fuck by the time my 
oldest, my youngest leaves. 

1056
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,760
Yeah, you know, that's what I'm 
like, 'cause. 

1057
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,040
He's 8 now. 
Yeah, he's 8. 

1058
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,280
Yeah, so you got another 10 
years before he's 18. 

1059
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,560
Yeah, I mean, and that doesn't 
mean he's gonna be leaving. 

1060
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,600
No, that's just once he's 18. 
Yeah, but that's like my 

1061
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:07,160
youngest, you know, my oldest 
right now is 17 and he he'll be 

1062
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,640
like he'll be turning 18 in 
February next year and he just 

1063
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,520
turned 17. 
It's crazy to me. 

1064
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,560
It's so weird to think about. 
Yeah, and but I left on my own, 

1065
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,200
of course, 'cause I needed to. 
I wanted. 

1066
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,560
To I moved out the day I turned 
18. 

1067
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,440
I actually had a contract signed
with an apartment right before 

1068
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,280
that. 
And I came home and told my 

1069
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,640
parents and I was like, oh, I'm 
moving out next week and they're

1070
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:30,560
like, what? 
And I was like, yeah. 

1071
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,920
Yeah 'cause you wanted that. 
I I needed free independence. 

1072
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:39,640
My parents were so controlling 
and everything was like, this 

1073
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,600
way. 
And I'm like, I have to do my 

1074
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:42,480
own thing. 
Yeah. 

1075
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,320
And so I got out. 
It was fun though, man. 

1076
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,520
I loved living. 
You know, when I lived on the 

1077
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,440
base, I didn't live on the base.
We had a house out in town right

1078
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,400
off right outside the gate. 
The the the what was it? 

1079
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:58,320
the IT was the Eastgate and it 
was it was awesome. 

1080
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,160
It was cool. 
Like living over there with a 

1081
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,240
bunch of dudes and. 
Yeah, very different. 

1082
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,240
Dishes. 
And there some of these shits 

1083
00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:07,920
were rotting. 
And dude, I never food. 

1084
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,200
I hated my first apartment 
because roommates were just 

1085
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,040
like, so fucking shit. 
I loved it because it was just 

1086
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:16,920
crazy, like you had to get used 
to so many different 

1087
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:20,760
personalities and but we were 
all like just slobs. 

1088
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,680
Like we would once in a while, 
like on a Saturday, be like, all

1089
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:24,840
right, we're gonna, you know 
what? 

1090
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,480
This place is fucking disaster. 
We need to clean this together. 

1091
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,960
See, I was cleaner because my 
mom, it was always clean. 

1092
00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:33,040
Everything was just messy, 
Jesse. 

1093
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:35,240
So that's how I. 
Messy Jesse. 

1094
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:37,720
That's what my parents called me
all growing up and I'm I'm still

1095
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:40,200
messy to this day. 
Like, I mean, I don't eat and 

1096
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,320
get food all over me, but I'm 
just not. 

1097
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:43,960
I'm not an organized guy. 
I'm. 

1098
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,200
I'm horrible with organization. 
Horrible. 

1099
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,840
I'm great at follow up, but I'm 
horrible at organizing. 

1100
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,240
You don't want me to get 
something together that means 

1101
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:56,400
something that's, I don't know, 
very important. 

1102
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,000
But if it's for fun, oh, I can 
organize that in a second. 

1103
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,640
But I'm just, I'm not an 
organized person. 

1104
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,080
You look at my night stand, it's
a fucking disaster. 

1105
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:08,880
Yours is very It's nice. 
That's how Steph is. 

1106
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,840
But it's because my mom was very
much like everything was 

1107
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:17,600
particular. 
And so after that, like, if I 

1108
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,960
didn't clean it, it would just 
get messy. 

1109
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,760
And then I get stressed and then
I feel anxious. 

1110
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,080
And I'm like, now, if I wake up 
in the morning and things aren't

1111
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,760
picked up, I can't just sit down
and enjoy my coffee. 

1112
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,840
I sit down and then my mind's 
going, You should be doing this.

1113
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,400
You should be doing this. 
You should be doing this. 

1114
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,720
And I was just sitting there 
like I wish I could enjoy my 

1115
00:56:37,720 --> 00:56:41,880
coffee, but now I have to do all
these things instead of I just 

1116
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,960
pick it up the day before. 
Then I don't have to worry about

1117
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,080
it and I can enjoy my morning. 
I can get into my theme because 

1118
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:52,440
even even when I sit down at my 
desk to start work, if I sit 

1119
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,480
down at my desk and it's 
cluttered, I can't work. 

1120
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,400
I have to organize my desk 
before I can work because my 

1121
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,200
mind will be too stressed about 
all the shit on my desk. 

1122
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,760
See me, dude, it's I don't even 
care. 

1123
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:08,040
I don't care the least. 
The one thing I can't stand is 

1124
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,360
everything organized in its own 
way. 

1125
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,200
Because it to me, it's a 
distraction. 

1126
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,960
So and it's weird, it's a it 
it's totally opposite for most 

1127
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:19,480
people, but it's a distraction 
for me. 

1128
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:24,280
I you know I I don't know man. 
I I you would you it would drive

1129
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,240
you nuts being just. 
Different people, that's all. 

1130
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,880
Yeah, but I mean, you know, with
the will, you just describe the 

1131
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:31,920
way I laughed. 
I'm like Steph's the same way. 

1132
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,400
My wife is the same way. 
She's very clean and I have 

1133
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:39,000
become much better at it. 
But still, dude, if you went 

1134
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:42,240
into our room, like you see side
of her bed, like everything is 

1135
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,160
where it needs to be. 
There's nothing on the ground. 

1136
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,240
You get on my side, there's 
clothes and shit down here, 

1137
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,480
bunch of cords to charging 
something and fucking duds of 

1138
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,640
stuff on my night stand. 
It's just like this chaos. 

1139
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,120
Like I cleaned the top of my 
desk. 

1140
00:57:56,120 --> 00:58:00,920
So yeah, I'm a I'm a I'm a 
creative, constant creative. 

1141
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,920
But it's just I'm, I'm a messy 
dude. 

1142
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,640
I'm just a messy guy. 
That's OK, you know, everyone's 

1143
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,680
got their thing and their style,
and not everyone's the same. 

1144
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,720
Well, I mean that's that's kind 
of like, you know why? 

1145
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:17,320
That's what makes everyone so 
unique and, like, beautiful in 

1146
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,560
their own ways. 
Like, if we were all the same, 

1147
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:21,560
life would be super boring. 
Yeah, it would be boring. 

1148
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:24,680
Conversations would be boring. 
It would be so dumb to go have 

1149
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,640
another conversation with a 
person because it would just be 

1150
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,240
like, talking to Amir and you're
like, all right, cool. 

1151
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:30,520
I already know what happened. 
Next. 

1152
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,840
I'm gonna go like, watch, show 
or jerk off or like anything. 

1153
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,200
Anything else there, right? 
Like, I don't know. 

1154
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,080
Right away like says, Like, 
what's Brandon doing right now? 

1155
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,560
Well, it is 4:00 and it is a 
Wednesday, so. 

1156
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:46,760
Probably roughing up the 
suspect. 

1157
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:50,560
OK. 
So going past that one, we'll 

1158
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,760
kind of round this off and we 
wanted to go into deeper about 

1159
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,920
us and and kind of our thoughts 
and ideas. 

1160
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,120
But I want to ask you, Brandon, 
Music, what's your favorite 

1161
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:00,200
music you're listening to right 
now? 

1162
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,800
Bro, I can't do that. 
You know me, I have such a wide 

1163
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,760
range. 
So kind of give us a wide range 

1164
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,920
of music that you listen to. 
Oh God. 

1165
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,640
I mean, this morning I put on 
Bob Marley on vinyl. 

1166
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:17,720
Yesterday was Glass Animals. 
The day before I put on System 

1167
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,960
of A Down. 
It really really depends. 

1168
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,160
I love 21 pilots Lately I. 
And Taylor Swift. 

1169
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,120
I fucking hate Taylor Swift, 
actually. 

1170
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,520
No offense to you guys if that's
yeah, yeah. 

1171
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:31,960
That's. 
Cool, but my girlfriend has 

1172
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,960
every single one of her albums 
on vinyl because she loves it. 

1173
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,200
But I don't like her music. 
I'm just not a fan of it, you 

1174
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,520
know. 
So love. 

1175
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,880
Like Frank Sinatra. 
I love classical music. 

1176
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:44,320
I love. 
EDMI love. 

1177
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:46,280
So do you do you just change off
any time? 

1178
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,720
To move like, I have such a wide
range of music that it just 

1179
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:52,480
depends on the moment. 
Yeah. 

1180
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,960
And sometimes if I'm like 
snowboarding, I want a certain 

1181
00:59:56,960 --> 01:00:00,280
type of flow state thing. 
Like it really, really depends 

1182
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,880
on where I'm at. 
Sometimes I want like more rock 

1183
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,400
style. 
I love the older rock like 

1184
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,360
seventies 80's rock I. 
Love that stuff. 

1185
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,840
So I I do a lot of that. 
It really it just depends. 

1186
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:17,320
I used to think I was black for 
the longest time. 

1187
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:22,280
Growing up in I listened to just
almost strictly rap. 

1188
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:24,360
So. 
Go through phases. 

1189
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,480
Yeah, I really do and. 
So what's what? 

1190
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,120
What's on your playlist right 
now in Spotify? 

1191
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,040
Oh God, which playlist? 
You know what? 

1192
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,000
Let's do this. 
Brandon's gonna drop his 

1193
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,280
playlist into into the comments 
down. 

1194
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:41,080
I'm also gonna drop my playlist 
in there. 

1195
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:42,680
Oh, which one? 
My flow. 

1196
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,040
My. 
Oh, that is you're getting into 

1197
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,560
flow state, Yeah. 
Because I listen to a lot of 

1198
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:50,880
synth wave, not big into techno 
or house or anything that, but I

1199
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:57,400
really like synthwave and then I
am huge into thrash metal, death

1200
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,440
metal. 
I do like the old metals. 

1201
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,400
I consider them emo metal like 
Disturbed, Metallica, those 

1202
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:07,400
ones, and Terra. 
Oh emo metal. 

1203
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,520
Yeah, they're more. 
Emo music. 

1204
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,960
No, emo metal. 
I call it emo metal where it's 

1205
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:15,040
like it's more like they've got 
ballads and shit like that and 

1206
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,280
that's cool. 
But I liked a lot of threats. 

1207
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,000
Like my favorite band literally 
of all time is Lamb of God. 

1208
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,360
Randy Blythe is an awesome 
singer and I just love their 

1209
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:27,200
music. 
I wish I could sing like them 

1210
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:31,560
and it's it's so like gutter 
roll sounding, but it's a it's a

1211
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,440
motivator and hate breed. 
Nicer ones like Killswitch 

1212
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:36,680
Engage. 
The older one. 

1213
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,600
I don't like the new lead singer
as much. 

1214
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:40,960
Oh, they switched out the lead 
singer. 

1215
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:45,000
Yeah, Howard Jones left a while 
ago, but he was cool and it was 

1216
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:51,160
awesome, 'cause he's like one of
the few black metal singers and 

1217
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,680
and then he left and new guy 
does. 

1218
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,120
He see it still sing metal or 
does he? 

1219
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,400
Sing in in its own way. 
But I I like Howard Jones. 

1220
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,600
He's cool like him in Like 7 
Dust. 

1221
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,920
When I was growing up, I 
listened to Sublime is like one 

1222
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:06,720
of my favorite bands of all 
time, too. 

1223
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:12,080
But I listened to Billy Joel. 
I listened to like I can even 

1224
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,000
enjoy the carpenters. 
Not for long. 

1225
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,280
But you have a couple albums of 
carpenters on vinyl. 

1226
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:22,320
But I I listen to Beatles, my 
dad is a fanatical Beatle 

1227
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,080
maniac. 
Still to this day, he's 70 years

1228
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,960
old and he has got every album 
he's. 

1229
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:28,800
Got. 
Does he have a? 

1230
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:32,120
Vinyl. 
He's got random vinyls that are 

1231
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:36,280
extremely rare. 
I found it in a record shop like

1232
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:41,960
2324 years ago. 
It was awesome and he, he loves 

1233
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,800
that. 
My dad is still, he's still very

1234
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:48,240
old school and it's cool and I 
grew up with that music, so I 

1235
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:50,360
enjoyed that music. 
I listened to. 

1236
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,800
Oddly enough, I have a lot of, 
like my parents music taste 

1237
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,280
thrown into it. 
It's not my favorite, but like, 

1238
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,560
they were very. 
Pouty as hymns. 

1239
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:02,680
No, God, no, no. 
The Michael Jackson, more like 

1240
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,760
the poppy 80s and 90s was what 
they were. 

1241
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,600
That was my mom. 
So I have some of that stuff in 

1242
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:10,240
there as well, but I even like 
bread. 

1243
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:13,920
I like like America. 
I love all of the older genres. 

1244
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,600
I'm a big fan of The Doors Led 
Zeppelin. 

1245
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,880
Oh, I love Led Zeppelin, ACDC, 
Pink Floyd. 

1246
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,040
Like, I have tons of those on 
vinyl. 

1247
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:25,080
That's one thing I do love. 
I love collecting vinyl. 

1248
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,080
I just wish I hadn't jumped up 
so much in price recently 

1249
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:31,280
because every time I go to look 
at a new vinyl, I'm like, it's 

1250
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,640
like 50 bucks. 
I don't want to spend that. 

1251
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,520
I don't want to spend. 
There's some that are cheaper, 

1252
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,760
but like all the ones that I 
really want, I'm like, that's 

1253
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,000
like $80. 
That's 100 bucks. 

1254
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,280
Yeah, he's gonna have. 
To bite the bullet, 'cause it's 

1255
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,240
like my dad, my dad'll look for 
those too. 

1256
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,600
Yeah, I I used to be a big fan 
of collecting, but I don't 

1257
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:49,560
collect that anymore. 
It's all digital for me right 

1258
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:50,760
now. 
It's not as good. 

1259
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,120
Vinyl's the only thing I 
collect. 

1260
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:57,960
Aside from that. 
Like I I Spotify all the time. 

1261
01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,320
Yeah, I don't listen to a lot 
of. 

1262
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,040
I won't listen to new music. 
I just don't find an affinity to

1263
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,240
it. 
But I do find new metal that I 

1264
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,040
really like. 
I love going to the gym. 

1265
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,320
I love lifting. 
You know, I I'm not putting an 

1266
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,920
emphasis on trying to be like 
giant like I did when I was 

1267
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,480
younger. 
But I really enjoy it. 

1268
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,200
I enjoy the strength of it. 
I it just it's the competing 

1269
01:04:18,200 --> 01:04:19,920
against myself. 
It's I can't do it. 

1270
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,760
Martial arts the way I used to. 
So that's another way where I 

1271
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,040
get abused the shit out of my 
body. 

1272
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:29,520
When I'm in my 60s, I'm going to
be like a bent over solid, like 

1273
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,400
fucking arthritic guy. 
But you know, for right now, 

1274
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,080
it's my life. 
I'm living it that way. 

1275
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,920
But it's it that's about it. 
But the music side, like, yeah, 

1276
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,920
I'm pretty, I'm pretty easy to 
hit. 

1277
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,200
Like you can tell me a metal 
band and I'll be like, if it's 

1278
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:43,840
too screamo, I'll be like, yeah,
it's too. 

1279
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:47,520
Yeah, for me, I'm not really 
into the screaming side of it. 

1280
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,480
When it gets AI can do a little 
bit of screaming, but then when 

1281
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,320
it's a lot, I'm like, all right.
We should do that, but let's put

1282
01:04:53,320 --> 01:04:55,040
in a couple that. 
Cause here's a funny thing. 

1283
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,120
I can't stand Bob Marley. 
Really. 

1284
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,760
I hate Bob Marley. 
OK, he's not my favorite. 

1285
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:01,400
I don't listen to him all the 
time. 

1286
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,640
I would say maybe like once a 
year I listen to him. 

1287
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:08,000
But this morning I was like, 
what do I put on this morning? 

1288
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,280
I'm like, fucking. 
I'm gonna throw on some Bob 

1289
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:11,040
Marley. 
Why not? 

1290
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:15,160
But it's it might have been over
a year since the last time I 

1291
01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:17,160
spun. 
Well, and I don't know if this 

1292
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,760
happens to you, but and it and 
maybe it happens with you guys 

1293
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:23,720
too. 
I associate music with people 

1294
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:29,240
and it's a one way to be able to
categorize them for me and and 

1295
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:30,480
I've been doing it since I was 
young. 

1296
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:35,160
My two of my ex girlfriends, one
of them I was engaged to when I 

1297
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:40,200
was in the military. 
She loved everything reggae and 

1298
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,360
it bugged me because she used to
give me shit for listening to 

1299
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,520
tool, 'cause she said that's 
like way too hard. 

1300
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,480
Tool is way too hard. 
Tool is not way too. 

1301
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,760
Tool's incredible. 
They have beautiful music. 

1302
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,160
Yeah, they're not. 
I wouldn't consider a metal 

1303
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:58,360
they're just completely on their
own For me tool's awesome but 

1304
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,960
they're on their own they're 
just they are metal but they're 

1305
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:05,120
not they're not corn but they're
definitely not hate breed or or 

1306
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,920
Lamb of God or Shadows Fall like
those are some of my favorite 

1307
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:13,160
bands but no man, I I I enjoy 
like everything. 

1308
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,160
I really do. 
I enjoy everything like you but 

1309
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,920
I'll get in my modes of like I 
only listen to this but 

1310
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,840
Synthwave is all the time. 
So I was thinking of we should 

1311
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,840
do is put down in the show notes
not only our playlist but then a

1312
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,440
couple of different albums that 
we're like yeah we listen to 

1313
01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:29,800
this so you can kind of like get
into you know what what do we 

1314
01:06:29,800 --> 01:06:31,880
like and. 
Yeah, I'll throw some of my 

1315
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,600
favorite albums. 
We'll throw some of Jesse's 

1316
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:35,120
favorite. 
Album, Yeah, it'll be, it'll be 

1317
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,160
cool, 'cause it, you know, you 
can kind of get a a feel of what

1318
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:39,960
we are. 
Maybe you resonate with us a 

1319
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:41,440
little bit more than you think 
you do. 

1320
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:42,680
Yeah. 
Yeah, but. 

1321
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,560
And you guys can share your 
favorite tunes below. 

1322
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:46,480
Oh. 
That'd be. 

1323
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:48,560
Awesome. 
The Q&A Drop your favorite 

1324
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,160
album. 
If you guys have like a Spotify 

1325
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,320
album you're listening to or 
something, throw it in there. 

1326
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,040
Share it with us. 
We'd love to check it out. 

1327
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:58,080
If you, If you. 
Have a band drop it in there. 

1328
01:06:58,320 --> 01:06:59,760
Oh hell, you have to hear about 
your music. 

1329
01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:02,080
Like when Kyle was correct 
hating on his music. 

1330
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:04,160
Yeah, I haven't seen anything 
from him in a minute, but I've 

1331
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,800
loved his music. 
He's had some really sick beats.

1332
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:10,280
Yeah, So I think it's cool. 
Like we, you know, we love Kyle.

1333
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,160
Let me give a shout out to 
another one. 

1334
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,480
Wesley Carter, he was giving a 
shit about Gran Turismo 7. 

1335
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,600
He's like, it's not as good as 
Wreckfest. 

1336
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,880
And I'm like I've. 
Never played Wreckfest, but it 

1337
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,120
sounds as Arcadian. 
It's a demolition Derby, but it 

1338
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,960
has better it's supposed to have
better physics in handling than 

1339
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,960
Gran Turismo. 
Interesting, That's. 

1340
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:31,320
Pretty. 
That's a tall order. 

1341
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,440
But it's probably all dirt 
based, so if you're going off 

1342
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:38,560
that are, I'm wondering if it's 
the handling on a Rally of Gran 

1343
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,720
Turismo comparison or if it's 
just handling on the road. 

1344
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,120
Yeah, that one's squirrely. 
There's a way different things, 

1345
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:47,080
so. 
You can tell like what we think.

1346
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,720
We love that, right? 
But let's let's put it in there.

1347
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,360
Also, share with your favorite 
video games. 

1348
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:52,400
What are you guys playing right 
now? 

1349
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,680
If you guys are into video 
games, cool. 

1350
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:56,760
I'm 45. 
I still play video games, but I 

1351
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,440
think that's kind of average. 
I grew up during that. 

1352
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:00,760
Picked out Fallout 4 the other 
day, started playing that one 

1353
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:01,680
again. 
Yeah, be. 

1354
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:05,960
Final Fantasy 7 I'm in, I like, 
I like RPGSI did the remake and 

1355
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:09,000
then I'm playing 16. 
I think Witcher, Witcher and 

1356
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,400
Zelda were like the only ones I 
really have played and spend any

1357
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,240
time in. 
That was a good game. 

1358
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:17,160
Most RPGSI just it's not been my
jam. 

1359
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,600
Yeah, every once in a while I 
like to play on my own, but I I 

1360
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,960
typically like playing most of. 
The time I play is when I play 

1361
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:24,720
with you. 
Yeah, that's it. 

1362
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:26,960
Like, I don't have other people 
I play with. 

1363
01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:28,279
I would play with some of our 
fans. 

1364
01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:31,040
That'd be fantastic. 
I know, I guess I have played 

1365
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:34,160
with like my brother and we did 
play Hell Divers with Preston 

1366
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:35,560
the other day. 
Yeah, that was cool. 

1367
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:36,520
We. 
Just got to get a larger. 

1368
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,479
Group sound like he was like in 
a in a in A and I didn't know, I

1369
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,040
thought he had a headset, but it
was funny, 'cause his girlfriend

1370
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:48,120
was in the background, she like.
Talks so much witchy games, it's

1371
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,479
the funniest thing, and it's 
like she was the most vocal 

1372
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,439
gamer in the whole group. 
I know it was hilarious. 

1373
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,600
Like, she's in the background 
and I was like, I was laughing 

1374
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:58,359
because I've listened to her 
conversation. 

1375
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,200
She's hilarious. 
Yeah. 

1376
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:03,760
Shout out depressed as well. 
Well, hey man, this is cool. 

1377
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,080
And and I'm glad that we are 
having this episode. 

1378
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:10,439
We released this right before 
4:20, but you guys need to pay 

1379
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:15,040
attention to our social media. 
Yeah, we're going to actually be

1380
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:19,319
live streaming on 4/20 at 
Dragonfly Wellness. 

1381
01:09:19,319 --> 01:09:23,880
So you can TuneIn on Instagram. 
We will also. 

1382
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,560
We'll also have a show published
later. 

1383
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,279
And if you guys are in Utah or 
stopping through, stop by at 

1384
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:33,439
Dragonfly Wellness in Salt Lake 
on 4/20. 

1385
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,359
Stop by and say hi. 
So we'll be at the booth 

1386
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:37,840
hanging. 
Out we'll be. 

1387
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,680
Front and center we'll be. 
Having a sash. 

1388
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,560
Yeah, just going over everything
about cannabis, talking to 

1389
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,840
people locally who just got 
their cards, like we're really 

1390
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:50,080
excited to be able to be a part 
of that process and Dragonfly 

1391
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:53,279
has been such a a wonderful host
to be able to sponsor that. 

1392
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:57,400
And with 420 around the corner, 
remember if you guys do get 

1393
01:09:57,400 --> 01:10:00,880
really high super anxious, take 
lemon juice. 

1394
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:04,040
Yeah, keep it with you. 
CBD These things will help bring

1395
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,240
you down really quick. 
You don't have to ride out a 

1396
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,320
shitty experience. 
Make sure it's something you 

1397
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,240
enjoy. 
Oh, and real quick. 

1398
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:12,800
And we got no sponsorship with 
them right now. 

1399
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,240
Go check out Flint Mints. 
We got a order of these. 

1400
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:20,320
They've got different strengths,
but it's awesome for dry mouth, 

1401
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:21,720
yeah. 
Fantastic. 

1402
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,160
Super tasty and they work really
well. 

1403
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,120
It says the dose is 3, but 
really we could rock one and it 

1404
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:28,640
was just fine it was. 
Great. 

1405
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:30,720
And I didn't get the clicking. 
And sometimes you just don't 

1406
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:31,920
want to drink water all the 
time. 

1407
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:36,120
So check out Flip Mints. 
And yeah, love you guys. 

1408
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:36,840
Take care.