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So kids, what's up? We're going to talk about
something extremely serious right now, and that is video
games. Brandon what?
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No, But yeah, video games, like, you know, a lot of people get
shit for playing video games when they're like my age and
your age. But you know, it's something we
kind of grew up with anyways. Kind of.
But yes, you know, I realized I was thinking about it the other
day and I'm like, even though we never had a console till
freshman year of high school, I still played computer games
before then. Oh yeah, We still had all sorts
of games on our computers. And I had a computer when I was
2-3 years old. So we were playing computers on
the old DOS or games on the old DOS ones.
And then after that, like on the whatever came before Windows 95
and stuff, but then on all of those systems and that, you
know, I remember playing lots of racing games.
A lot of I used to do rally racing.
And then there was another one that was later and you drove
through like San Francisco, they had an Audi TT, they had other
stuff. It was a blast there.
We used to play that one for a while and I was like, hi, it was
interesting because I, for the longest time I've played racing
games. And then we had a little bit of
doom and, you know, I God, we played a tiny bit of Minecraft
Warcraft, not World of Warcraft, but like.
No, no, like the the RTS, Yeah, the real time strategy.
Games like they had with StarCraft, because my parents
had got that in a disk set or something and so played that
back in the day. I think we had Civilization, I
think that was one on PC. So we surprisingly played a lot
more PC ones. We even had an air flight
simulator with a joystick at some point.
Jeez, that's funny because when you're going back there like I
date you, like I remember when my dad bought an Atari at the at
a yard sale and he hooked it up to the TV and in the back of the
TV had these two little screws and you could pull pull them out
a little bit. And then you would screw in this
connector, right? And that connector would go
directly to the Atari. And then you had one button and
one joystick. That's it.
And did I remember like the most frustrating game ever is called
ET on there. It was dumb.
But then you had like, you know, like a jungle game where he was
dude, and it's the stick. And they had a Ghostbusters
game. And man, when I was a kid, I was
blown away. I kind of feel like I'm talking
like Grandpa Ivan Wood when he's like, and then the transistor
radio come out and. Right.
We were blown away and the automobile was fucking.
Hot. You had to crank it to get there
and started right. And you're like, why are you
talking like that? Like, I don't know, but it was
southern Utah. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
But it was just like crazy thing when the games that.
And The funny thing is my dad, my dad's like you can't play it
too long. You can't play it too long.
I'm like, well, why? And he goes because he will burn
the TV and I'm like, what? And he was kind of trying to
tell me like it could burn the image into the TV, which never
got proved. It was just something you.
Always tell me that. And I was like, that was weird.
My dad, so my my parents would when we got a you're never
allowed to play for a long time. And then we got a console, and
it was like, you can play an hour a day on Fridays if your
schoolwork's been done, and Saturdays, but that's it after,
like, chores. And that would be the only time
you could play it. You couldn't be in the room if
your siblings were playing it because, well, then that would
be the same as you playing it. So it was more of like, yeah.
It was more of like, yeah, we don't want you spending a lot of
time doing this. We'd rather have you reading,
playing a sport, doing something, you know, playing the
piano, learning an instrument. Totally didn't want us doing
that. So.
But my dad would always go, oh, I can't be in the room with it,
It makes me nauseous. What are you talking about?
It makes you nauseous. You can watch TV.
You can watch movies just fine. You can watch cartoons just
fine. But watching a video game makes
you nauseous? Yeah.
It's like the refresh rate or something.
Oh, OK. Cocaine's a hell of a drug, huh?
Like. Well, no man, if you think back
like do you remember the old rear projection big screen TV's
like it's. Just we never had that big of
one. No, we.
We. I do remember him, my grandpa.
When my parents got divorced, first thing my dad bought was a
big screen TV. I mean you see, they got they
got happier and a pig and shit. He was just like was like cool.
But it was always weird like when the new TV started to come
out from that rear projection because it was almost the exact
same as the tube, right? But when these new TV started
coming out, dude, they fucked with my eyes because it was just
the refresher. It was so fat.
It was so much faster because it wasn't a tube, It wasn't an
image being, it was like, you know, all of these like pixels
and stuff. So it took a while for the eyes
to get kind of used to it. And then they went away.
And now I don't even notice that.
Like I used to get that when I'd go like into like a Sam's Club
or a Costco back in the day. They'd always had the big ass
TV's, but it's so crazy dude, that hearing that because it's
always just like weird myths. My dad had to like, Oh yeah, we
had an we got a Nintendo much later on.
Like it was way later and my dad finally caved in and he went to
another pawn shop and got us a Nintendo and couple games.
And dude, I was so excited. Now if I went back and played
those games, I'd be bored as shit on most of them.
I'd be like that's how it is. Except the Castlevania games.
I still play those. I I played the old ones, I play
the new ones. I love those games, but the I.
Never got into side scrollers. They were, well, I take that
back. There was one that was like.
Super gay. No, it was an.
Awesome one. My parents didn't get that one.
It was literally called like jump Jack rabbit or something
and you run around with guns and stuff and shoot and Add all this
stuff. But you do like side scrolling
and that that one. But I was like maybe 4th or 5th
grade. It's been ages.
No, I didn't my parents hated video games.
The funny thing is is that later on in life I actually got into
them not on my own. My wife now when we were dating,
she thought be cool, buy me a PlayStation two because that's
what was out and she's like, she got me that and this cool
headset so I could talk to these pixelated Navy Seals on the on
the TV. And I love that game dude.
It was awesome. It was so much fun.
And then. Is that so calm?
Yeah, that was so calm. OK, Yeah, that was a.
Scope, I love that game, but I became obsessed where she would
come over after work and I would play video games and she'd fall
asleep in my bed and then it'd be like 1:00 or 2:00 at night
and she's like, hey, I'm gonna go back to my place because
she's still living with her folks at the time.
And so I was like, yeah, no problem, let me take you home.
And that was like a common thing.
And she's like, oh, I regret getting this for you.
And I became obsessed with video games.
And then I got rid of it when my first was born because I didn't
want to lose my wife. And then after that, it's like 3
or 4 years later, I got a system again and I was better.
I, I'm still good with it. I don't, I don't make it a
problem. It's fun.
I don't understand the problem that comes with it.
I can understand the obsession like how we got obsessed with
Gran Turismo like. I still love that game.
Yeah, Oh yeah, It's still installed.
It's like Ghost Recon with us. Like we come back to Wildlands
all the time and I don't know why.
Good games like I, I always sit down.
I'm like God, what do I play? But often times, especially now,
like when I have something that my mind wants to do, most of the
time it's not gaming. Then every once in a while, like
the other day when I was just on an e-mail rampage, I was like,
you know, I've scheduled out 400 something emails today.
I I think I can take a break and go race for like an hour.
That should be fine. It was like, I go pick up Addie
in a bit. I still have time.
Yeah, it's the middle of the day, but like, I've done a lot
of shit right now. So, you know, I went sat down
and raced for like 45 minutes because I was like, fuck it, you
know, I have the time. And, and it's choosing that,
Hey, I'm going to take some me time and do this right now.
And, and for me, especially when it's if I feel like I get enough
accomplished during the day when Emily's still at work, Addie's
at school, that's time that I don't have to feel like I'm
taking time away from time I could be giving them or
something else later in the day. And I can still take that time
for me and find time for me that I might not feel or feel guilty
if I'm trying to take later when it's like, oh, well, you know,
instead of hanging out with my partner or my child, I'm
choosing to go and do that when I did have the chance, you know,
some time to do it earlier. And so when I do have that, I
love taking it when I feel like I've got enough done and I can
do that because otherwise then I just feel like I'm slacking off.
So. I could give 2 shits and, and
usually why is because I don't play until later.
I don't play during the daytime. I don't play in the morning.
I don't, I don't and it, and I sometimes I don't play at all
because I'm like, but you know, I'll ask, I always ask my wife.
I'm like, Hey, you know, what do you want to do tonight?
You know, and she'll be like, I don't know.
She's like, I just kind of want to read right now.
I'm like, sounds good. So then that's my free pass and
I'll bring the PlayStation into my room and I'll play on in
front of the TV and that's it. I mean, it's not a big deal, but
if ever she's just like, hey, you want to hang out tonight?
Done. Yeah, one of my kids is like,
you know, they've got stuff going on.
Like I wouldn't be like, hey, hold on a second.
Like I can't like, let me finish this part.
Like I'm like, I could do this later.
That's why I like the Switch. I've got my Switch and I've got
all the Castlevania games on that.
And I love playing that because I could play for a little bit
and then I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna put it down.
But it doesn't always feel like it's, it's pulling me in and
I've got friends like that. I don't know if you've got
friends like that where they could like game for like 8-9
hours. Probably do, but we just, we're
probably just not super close anymore.
You know, I one of the things it's like you're probably a what
is it not a factor, but you're there.
You have a lot of similarities between the five people that you
hang out with the most. And I just, I, I'm sure I have
friends that game all the time, but I just, I don't talk to them
all the time. Those aren't usually the ones
that I'm engaging with, you know, curious about that
because, well, things that are interesting to me aren't
constantly playing, talking about video games.
You know, I can do it some and it's interesting to a, to an
extent, but then my mind after a little bit I'm like, all right,
well, I feel like I've been doing this a while.
I should, I should go do something else and my mind gets
bored playing the game because it's like, Hey, I've, I've done
this, It's been, you know, it's been a couple hours.
Like I, I'm probably good, right?
But it's different. Like when I was younger, I used
to, I remember having Halo parties and stuff and we'd play
for several hours. I'd feel like, but that wasn't
just me usually doing it. That was a whole group of people
all in the same rooms because well, back then you could just
do LAN parties and have 3-4 consoles in the house.
And you know at my parents house it was like one in the loft, one
in the main room, 1 down in the basement.
And we've ran three different ones and we got 12 different
people there gaming. So that one was a little
different. We do that or go to a friend's
house and do the same thing. But that's been God 19 years so
I haven't had as much. I try not to put the video games
into like a reward for me because then I feel like I'm
doing stuff just to be able to feel justified to do that.
You know, a lot of a lot of people will say, well, it's a
waste of time. Well, it's my time and I'll
spend it the way I like. And that's where my rebuttal is,
every single time. I was raised with having you had
to do all of these things before you could play, hang out with,
yeah, do any of that. So for me, that's just so
ingrained, I think that it's like, plus usually when I wake
up, that's what I'm working. Like I'm working on something in
the first bit anyway, because that's when I'm usually more
productive. And yeah, I can do stuff in the
day later too and get stuff done.
But I feel like the best times for me are first things in the
morning. So if I just knock out a bunch
of stuff, I usually can just get a ton of shit done.
And then it, you know, doesn't really feel like it's much.
So I can like half the time I feel like I would bust out the
entire day as a worth of work before lunch.
So actually that's how it's been for many jobs because even when
we were at my fast, it would be like, all right, cool.
Well, I hit sales quota by lunch or I hit sales quota before
lunch. And so to, you know, then it was
like, all right, then I can half ass it from lunch on and still
beat everyone because, well, I already hit quota by lunch,
meaning I could do hardly any work and still pass it.
So that's how it's often been, I felt like.
So most of my time it's like, well, if I work really hard for
what, 4 hours maybe I've done what most people have done in
eight hours, I feel like. And that's just because I get
focused and get it done. It's like going to work.
And I see the people who, well, half the time they spend talking
around the water cooler and all this other stuff.
And I'm like, all right, well that's why you're like, you're 4
hours of work takes you 8 hours because you're doing that.
But if you could just bust it out and not have to be there and
not have to do that, like rededicate your time to
something better. Yeah, but a lot of people don't
think that way because a lot of people are just like, fuck this
job. I don't even care about it.
They don't care about me and so. Why?
Why should I work hard? And that's the thing like I
think that concept of working hard is different now because
when I grew up with it and you had construction background with
your dad and they're it's that's hard work.
Blue collar work is hard work, hours on end.
Like if you're putting in insulation, you're running cable
over there, you're putting in a sewer system.
Like that's fucking work and. Well, in like my dad's 60 and we
did the hike with him where he was putting Alec and I to shame
and we're in our 30s and I'm going fuck like, but that's how
he worked. So that was how work was.
It was like, yeah, I know you just go and get shit done.
Like you're productive, you're focused, you get a lot done in a
in a good amount of time and that's just how it's always been
because that's that's what I grew up doing so.
Yeah, but The funny thing is, it's like, you know how video
games are today, where people see it as an inefficiency of
time, and yet you see it being one of the number one producing
entertainment platforms out there.
It beats movies to death. I think it's just.
That's probably why is because it's taken so much time from
generations that are. The older generations just see
it as well, you're wasting time, but that time they could be
wasting doing whatever it is. It's just not a video game.
And because they don't respect that or see that as a valuable
time spent, that's like anyone, you know, there's so many people
are like, oh, wait, you're doing that.
Like, yeah, who the fuck cares? Oh, you take time to sit down
and smoke weed. Yeah.
Like it's all these things of just.
People, you forget about that. I'm sure I don't know.
You think I'm listening? I have no idea.
Well, no, but I mean it's. I'm like, wait, hold on, are you
talking? Let me load a bowl.
Hang on, let's see. All right, finish that sentence
and let me let me finish loading this ball here.
I I just look at it too, where, you know, we it can become an
issue, but anything can become an issue, whether it's, you
know, online gambling or fucking going broke pain for this only
fans girl that's finally going to see the light and say, you
know what, I'm going to lead this life and you're going to
take care of me, Papa like. It's all I ever needed.
Yeah, it's all bullshit, right? I don't think anybody should be
ashamed of being able to do it. It just becomes, when it becomes
a problem for you, I think that judgement that comes a lot from
other people. My own opinion is you need to
turn that and roll it up and shove it up your ass because
that's your opinion and you don't realize how much you
impact that person by trying to do that like.
Probably like cannabis use or something, you know, it's, it's
good to re evaluate your relationship with things and
that's probably healthy with everything in life.
You know, whoa, what is my about relationship with the gym?
What is my relationship with sleep?
What is my relationship with like how I eat?
What is my relationship with like actually myself and I, you
know, I don't think that's bad or unhealthy because all of that
might change at times. You know, even for me, I noticed
that my gaming is more seasonal, that it changes more through the
seasons as it gets colder and I have less desire to be outside.
Well, and it's cold as shit. I'm probably more likely to play
a game because I don't want to be out in 20 below like 20°
weather. Yeah, no, I'm saying, I mean,
during the summertime, the springtime, like I'm out, I'm
engaging with people, I'm going to networking events, I'm
working with clients face to face.
I enjoyed that. I'm not like if somebody's like,
dude, let's get together, let's play this video game today like
it's launch day. We all took the day off.
I'm like, play that shit. Later.
Never done that. Nope, I I'm not obsessed with, I
like games. I'm not obsessed with games.
I've got a lot of games still not obsessed with them.
I I think they're fun. There are some games where I'll
get into one. I'm like, this is cool.
It's got a good story. But other ones, if I could turn
off and on, I'm cool. That doesn't bother me at all.
It doesn't become my focus. Have I spent a lot of money on
it over the years? Yeah, I spent a lot of money,
but I don't care. Like again, that's gone.
It's a hobby though. It's just like any other hobby.
Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a vice.
You know, if somebody's going to give me shit about playing video
games, yes. But yeah, they have to have a
certain type of chocolate covered pretzel at all times in
their pantry. I mean, like, yeah, but that
shit makes you fat. I'm just sitting here chilling
out. Let my life just kind of calm
down because. I think that's one of the weird
things that I look about cannabis, not cannabis, but
cannabis is amazing. But I'd say video games, like we
live in such a digitized world, yet a lot of people use it to
decompress. They use another digitized
product to be able to help them relieve anxiety because it
really does it. It just pulls you away from that
issue, which isn't good to run away from your problems
necessarily. But at the same time, isn't it
kind of nice to just fucking not worry about shit and just play
something and get amazingly high during that time and just have
fun because you're having fun with your friend?
Like we can sometimes play for a couple hours, that's rare, but
sometimes we do and we're having a blast.
And then we go, that's what is it.
It's when we're racing sometimes or when we're really into wild
lands and we're trying to do these missions and go in on
these runs and, and we just get in a, a zone of like 1 mission
to the next to the next versus like I, you might find that flow
with Insurgency, but I think that I just die and suck too
much on that one that I don't like.
It's fun and I have a blast, but I don't find the same flow in
that one that I do in the like racing or in wildlands.
No, no. And I think for me, it's just
the realism that I really enjoy of it and I've gotten really
good at it, but not because I'm like dedicated.
I just enjoy it. I've always enjoyed those games
and I've always been pretty. Good at them.
Also put in a fuck ton of time to insurgency.
Over the years, yeah, yeah, there's a lot of time in there,
dude. That's like 2 years of time and
I've got close to probably over 1000 hours into that game.
Yeah, holy shit. But I would play it for like a
match or two a day and then just put it down.
But I would do it pretty frequently.
And then I took like a big long break from it and I came back
and I, I still play it to this day.
I, I have a lot of fun play. I meet a lot of fans on
Insurgency or I meet new fans on Insurgency because I'm like bro,
what you smoking? Because you've got the funniest
names on there, like 420 Batman or you know.
Doctor dabs or like. All these games.
Like something 4:20 and you're like all.
Right dude, it's so funny man. It just going hey bro what you
smoking on you like? What?
Or you literally hear them coughing it out in the back?
Yeah. All right.
Yeah. I've heard a bong once or twice
so I'm just like yes I can hang with those guys.
I cannot play with the COD guys. It is toxic non-stop shit
talking. And it's they just like that.
You're such a cock and yeah, that stupid shit.
Insurgency so fast-paced and so intense that you can't think to
say shit racing, dude, when we play Gran Turismo, we especially
when it's a yeah, we just like and I'm like right behind you or
you're right behind me and it's. Always that I think I breathe
that whole last lap and 1/2. Yeah, I'm just like, but it's,
it's immersive. It's just fun.
And I think about that like, you know, until that movie Gran
Turismo came out, I was like, there's no way you could use
this as a trainer for the boat. Well, fuck me, you can.
And that was like an older one. Now the new steering wheels,
like dude, we want to get one of those steering wheels so bad.
Like we played my. Mom has driven one of those.
Oh yeah. They had one at a convention
thing she was at for some. I didn't even remember what it
was. And she drove it in there.
I was like, that's insane. How was it?
She's like, it was cool. It was fast.
It felt like driving a car that's fast.
Yeah. I mean, dude, it's so
sophisticated now and that's what I love about it because you
know, 1 I don't have any money to go spend on like go and get
Turo Lamborghini and race around it out.
Plus I can't go that fast. So it's it's cool to do that,
but it it's cool to know that there's a correlation between
like the memory and your body and the memories I get like
there was this, there is this product was years ago.
This is probably shit over just like 7-8 years ago, but there
was a product at the time where you use this headset and sounds
and this is like it was a step up from like sound wave therapy
and shit like that. And they did this thing with
athletes where one would train physically in like a race or
some calisthenics or some of that, and then the other one
would only get instructions and wear the headpiece and that's
it. So for two weeks, they trained
on the same thing, yet in different ways where the person
who was getting it through sound waves and instruction and all
that stuff, they actually perform better than the person
who had been physically training during that time because they
both knew how to do it. But one of them was just like,
I'm going to get better. But the other one did better
because their mind was able to go in that place.
And that makes sense because like, you know when you hear it,
like you watch some special on YouTube because you get in a
rabbit hole and you're first looking up like election stuff
and then you're thinking about a recipe.
And then all of a sudden you find yourself in this fucking
black hole of like, how do I do these things?
Or what's this about out? And then you go forever, right?
Fuck, what was I talking about right there?
YouTube rabbit holes. No, before that.
Sound the. Oh yeah, so but Navy Seals, they
tend to go and like, who are the people that graduate those
classes? They're not big giant buff guys,
I'll tell you that. Oh no.
Now they're average looking dudes are fit, but they're not
like bodybuilders or. They're like, they're like a
hyper athlete, but a hyper athlete isn't the ones who are
crazy big ripped and stuff. Well, it's all mental, man,
because they're torturing you for for a good chunk of the
first part of training and it's just constant.
And the reason why they're doing it is to get you used to the
suck because it's going to be constant when you're out there.
So after a while you just kind of go out whatever.
But most of the guys will be there.
They're just like, just keep going, just keep going, just
keep going, just keep going, just keep going.
They don't, they don't say anything like that.
But that's what the difference is with like training your mind
is just as important. Like dude, no joke.
From all the insurgency, you know, I've been playing, I went
and shotguns with some friends and dude, I let that shit up.
I was doing pretty good and I was like, wow.
But because there's no reticle or anything like that at an
Insurgency, you have to like actually aim down the sights.
Kind of cool. But it it's just that I I like
video games for that point. But here's the problem I have
with them. When you become obsessed and
start yelling at your TV. Throwing your controller or
understand that freaking out at your people around about it.
It's like it's, it's a game, you know, and if it's your living
and that's how you react to. You lucked out.
Yeah, but. Lucked out, but it's like that
one guy did you hear about There was a video, I don't know if it
was fake or not, but it was this dude.
He was like a Madden online player.
Like he was on an actual team and they went and played other
professional teams online. Well, I don't know what he did
to his girlfriend, but she deleted all of his saved data.
Oh my gosh, it's like that you sent me an interrogation video
of like cops and they bring in it's like oh, was this you?
No, no, that's not me. When they bring in this PS 50 is
this is this data? No, no, that's not my oh so you
wouldn't care if we just like deleted this 120 or like however
many hours worth it looks Oh, you've got like these special
skins. Oh, and he's like.
What do you have to do to get those skins?
And she goes click. He goes, no, but see to me be.
No, I don't. I've never been there.
I I would just go, that sucks. Yeah, well, I can play it again
if I really want to. And I've come to those points
where I've like, I remember Skyrim when that came out and
your brother and I played that a lot.
And I got so far into at the time I thought it was like I was
like 300 plus hours. I played it all through college.
It was awesome because I actually did really good in
college when I played that every night.
When I stopped I was like 1 semester.
I'm like, I'm not playing this anymore man.
I this is a waste of my time. My grade point average, I
normally rock a 3.75. I went all the way to a 275 as a
full point difference. That's insane.
My wife's like what happened? I'm like, I stopped playing
video games. She's like start playing them
again. Did went back up because I was
able to just like push it out and that was like a stress
reliever to me. Because otherwise that's all
that's on your mind. And you don't.
Yeah. But I had video games on my mind
because it was allowing me to go to school full time.
Had four kids under 5 at my home, my wifes raising them.
I got this full time shitty job and I'm going I got 12 credit
hours at UVU. Like whenever I used to complain
when I was younger like when I was 21 and my daddy's like go to
college. I'm like I don't have time.
It's a good job and I've got drinking and I've got talking to
friends about drinking on the weekend and like, what the fuck?
I don't got anything. I was just like, I got nothing.
And then when I'm married and I got all this responsibility and
going, yeah, why don't you fucking take school too?
Oh, full time. Fuck, yeah.
What's so you could get your grant money and and that's all
you did it for? And that was the cool thing is
that it allowed me to just go. I can let go and got wrapped up
in this world and it was OK. It got me through it.
Did it help my wife? Probably not, probably not.
She probably hated that fucking thing.
But now I have a healthy relationship with video games.
Like if I go without, like if Brandon's like, dude, let's go
camping for a week with no electronics, I'd be like, bet,
how are we getting a hold of the family if anything goes wrong?
But then you think about it like back in the day, you just found
out and you got back. And I'm trying to do that more
of of distancing myself at that one.
But it's it's a gradual thing. I like.
I'm not like. You I can't go when I don't have
service, but I like to let now, I like to let people know.
After I got divorced and my kids were out of state, I would go on
motorcycle rides for the entire day.
Half of it would be out in no cell service areas like and no
one would have any idea where I was at.
No one would have any clue where I had gone.
It was just like I needed to go because for me that was therapy
and I felt like 8 hours of therapy was what I needed that
day. So that's what I went and got.
And that was everywhere and anywhere.
And you know, because at that point my kids didn't have their
own phones and their mom didn't answer all the time.
So it was like, I, I mean, understandable, but like I, it's
hard to connect and talk to my kids all the time.
They're not calling me all the time because they didn't have
phones and they were super little.
And so it was just like that stage and time in my life.
But now and that's, you know, through that time, I've really
learned to love nature a lot more again and like love being
out there and away from stuff because it was peaceful and it
was like the world could disappear.
All the stress, all the bullshit, kind of like your
video games, you know, where you could go in and all the other
garbage of school or life would disappear and you could just be
there for a bit. So we've talked a little bit
about that one. I want to go and kind of like,
you know, as we're we're going out, what's something that eats
your time, that is productive and it does enhance you that you
would say you spend more time doing that than you do in well,
not luxury leisure, leisure activities like playing video
games, listen to music, stuff like that.
Honestly, I mean, I would say a lot of our discussions and then
that stems a lot of ideas, which stems a lot of work, which, you
know, it's yeah, I think it's, it's great because it's why we
have what we have today, you know, and, and how we have these
fantastic visions for these next stages of, of cannabis school of
the sesh of like everything that we're just so fucking excited
for. Yeah.
It's like seeing how everything is going.
I think that is my most productive, not waste of time.
That's not leisure that I actually spend majority of my
time in. Yep, I'd say the same thing.
I'd say coming up with those things and then also like, you
know, one of my passions is definitely helping people
understand one another. Still trying to figure out where
that fits. And I'm more or less kind of
landed on I'm like more of a consultant for consultants and
helping them to be able to communicate better.
Because it was like I was telling you, like I, I was
working with these clients and their fucking sales went through
the roof. And I'm like, fuck, why can't I
do that? Like, and, and I can, I just, I,
I can't see myself before I got to this stage and I've invested
so much time into learning this kind of stuff because I've
discovered a new me from there. And it's, it's been awesome.
And no way of shape or form do I think I'm some fucking
philosopher that's going to go over there and tell you how you
should run your life. Fuck, I don't know.
I'm not doing the same thing. And that's why I can't stand it
with a lot of those like guru areas.
I used to be addicted to self help.
Like I love to get a new book. Like yes I learn this, I think
it's going to pull me out of my shitty life and never worked.
Make my life better, make me more money, make me a better
salesman, make me whatever. And it was like, Nope, never
worked. I mean, I've pulled Nuggets that
I've found have been totally over the years, but like how
many books have we read to get a handful of Nuggets?
Well, and that's where I started to looking at books as more
textbooks when I was through this last consulting gig that I
did. And I, I absolutely like dude,
like if no matter what time, if it's about consumer psychology,
I'll read a book. Like I have the hardest time
finishing Dune because I'm always thinking of like, no, I
want to read this. But when it comes to reading, I
have to if it's not teaching me something or if I'm not being
more aware of something. It's hard.
Bored. I love to learn, like that's
what most of my reading is. And so like entertainment
reading is like, that's what I did so much growing up.
Yeah, me too. Like, I didn't even remember we
were watching a movie or something.
And it was like I was talking about Gone with the Wind.
And I was like, that was my second grade book report.
And Emily was like, what? And I was like, yeah, I read
Gone With the Wind in second grade.
And that was my what I did my book report on.
But I it's because we've read endlessly and it was just for
entertainment. None of it was actually
learning. And so now, like I, I love
stories. I love a good story, but I find
that there's a handful of really good stories and then there's a
bunch of really half assed written shit.
And my mind really loves the good story, whether it's a
movie, a book, a game. Like that's what I want to be
drawn in. That's what I get.
Drawn in here. Yeah, 'cause otherwise my mind's
like I'm bored. Yeah, short chapters not.
Really, I can be a speech. Expanded stuff.
So that part I'm like, OK, well, how is it not good yet?
Like alright, I'm done. Like that's, that was boring.
I I don't wanna read that because like alright, well, how
far am I into this book? Alright, well, I have dedicated
an hour, two hours. I'm how far into this book does
that put me? OK, and it's not interesting
enough. Like that's when I struggled.
Dune was fine. I read the first 3, but that was
because I was forcing myself to get away from my learning.
I was like, hey, I have been doing only this and I need to
just step away from this. I need.
It was a good time for you, yeah.
And I was like, OK, so I read those and it was fantastic.
And I thought about it and I was like, you know, I might even go
read like 1984 again. I might go read The Alchemist.
I write go read a book here or there, but those those are so
short. They're like, you can read that
in a weekend easy if Oh yeah, in your time.
So. Well, and that's what's awesome,
right? I mean, your body, your mind is
like regulating, you know, it's always constantly like we need
this. Like you knew at that point
you're like, I got to do something else.
And I'm the same way, dude. I become obsessed with it.
And then what I start finding is that I can't even have a
conversation about anything except business or marketing
ideas or something about human improvement or whatever.
Like it's, it's too much. It's too much.
It's like when we, we've got friends that are really into the
health hardcore stuff, right? And I don't care.
Like, I don't care. Like, oh, dude, you need to do
an ice bath. The red light.
Like I, I don't care, I don't care.
Like I go to the gym not pretty frequently and I enjoy it.
I don't go to make sure I'm healthy.
It does help, but I go because I enjoy it.
I like beating the shit out of myself until I can't move And I
I enjoy it because it's cathartic for me and I I need
that release. But now man, everything from
video games, I see it as a great use of time.
It's just your time, you spend it the way you want.
And well, it's just like everything else, you know, it's
if it becomes a problem, then it becomes a problem.
But as long as you know you have a good healthy relationship with
stuff, you know, just like anything else can be healthy,
most things can be healthy. Yeah, it's like a proverb too,
from the great book of Ruth. You know, don't yuck someones
yams. Like that's all it is.
Like you just gotta go, you know?
Cuz I, I think that would be sometimes like if someone's
driving like a shitty car. Like I saw this this morning.
I was taking my kids to school and I saw a cyber truck that had
been wrapped lime green. Yeah, we have so many cyber
trucks out here, dude, It's. It's disgusting and they're dumb
as shit and it just looked ridiculous.
My cousins husband, husband. You know what?
I was just like, I hope that's comfortable.
All I came to my mind was, I hope that's comfortable for
them. Like I didn't think like fucking
yuppie motherfucker like pretend environmentalists like this is
stupid bullshit. I was just like whatever, you
know, don't yuck. Someone jumps.
And that's where I think about even like, you know, video
games. Like people like assume that all
I play is like shooters and everything like that.
But I'm really big RPG fan. I just re downloaded Baldur's
Gate 3 and I'm like I'm going to give this a good chance because
I like it. But you know you just kind of go
on this flow right? Like you play the zombie game
for a while or you'll play like I.
Love zombie games. I love the intensity of it.
What was Dead Space? Dead Space wasn't intense.
It did not feel like it was scary or like even intense.
It was like, OK, it's dark and now I saw a movement.
Why would I be startled? Like what is it that's scary
about this moment? Because to me.
Yeah, I'm there, but doesn't matter how high I'm getting, I
didn't feel like I was drawn into the game, that I was
terrified. I was just like, it's fine.
Some of the zombie ones that we played at night are way more
intense because they're chasing you.
They're like right behind. You.
You're. You're jumping across rooftops
or like the other one where I'm trying to run to my motorcycle,
get on my motorcycle is this whole horde of zombies is
chasing me. Like that is way different than
like it just wasn't. And even that isn't like
startling. It's just like more intense,
like racing because like. Yeah, it's just you remembered
Dying Light when you Dying Light too, when we were like running
on the rooftop so you could push triangle and he would like, oh,
you'd look behind you and he's like coming for you.
You're like. I loved going out at night.
It was like. I hated it, it made me so.
Intense as hell, I know, but that's not like I love that when
I play. I was smoking a fucked ton of
sativa at that time. That's probably why it made me
even more anxious. I was like.
That sounds fantastic, yeah. We should play that again dude.
We should just start over. We should because we can play
that together, too. That's a blast.
Well, it's been updated too. It's got a bunch of cool stuff
with the and like you get guns now, which is kind of cool.
But no, I love the games where it just lets you like just go do
mindless stuff sometimes, you know, I don't want to be all
serious and stuff like I don't need any of that just.
Well, just except for when we play Wildlands.
That one we're a bit more serious.
I'm very tired. Because then when McClain comes
in, we're like, fucking McClain. Just kidding.
But the last time we played with him, he was.
Awesome. Yeah, he.
Was and now he was over standing over my down body and he's all
like it was awesome. Dude I got you bro, let me pick
you up and save you. Hey, you guys know that we have
gamertags over there. Hit us up if you if you got your
gamertag, send it to us. We'll we'll take a peek at your
bio and then we'll friend you. Really we got we want is A4
player group for Wildlands, something else at least 'cause
if we could have a four player squad.
Oh my God. Even if could you imagine or
race times racing would be dope. We can do like 16.
We can have an endless amount in racing.
But could you imagine a night time squad in going out in dying
light too? I don't know how many people we
could have in it, but for a night time squad of four people
running out at night with the zombies and stuff, that would be
wicked. So.
That would be awesome. Even Insurgency.
If you got Insurgency on PS5PS4, let us know.
We can make our own squad. And just what?
Entire room. Oh dude.
Yeah. We can take the entire room
because we just fill it up and then we just go cake launch and
and same with Wildlands like that would be super cool if you
got APS 4 or PS5, we're on there.
Yeah, let us know in the comments.
Like what games are you guys playing right now?
Who gives you? And your favorite games?
Yeah. Who who gives you shit right
now? Is it your girlfriend?
Is it your wife? Is it your mom?
Do you live with your mom? There's a lot of gamer girls
too, they get shit from their boyfriends and husbands.
That would be an interesting conversation to be a family on
the wall for. So I don't I don't know any.
I don't know any gamer girls who get shit from their boyfriends.
The only gamer girl I feel like I really know is Preston's
girlfriend. But they game together and they
have gaming side by side PCs and switches and stuff and they just
play together. But past that I don't.
I don't honestly know if I really.
I know a few. I know a few that are like
really into it and I was like, that's cool.
It's always fun to see like an insurgency seeing like a a woman
playing on there and I'm like cool, and there's always some
dudes like Hey, what's up, Jennifer 365 like bro, you're
they're. Probably all Mike lists.
Yeah, because they're like all these guys.
Yeah, and you know who they are because they they are women.
In the games, though, you're just like, oh cool, let's go.
Like, are you going to be a part of the team?
Like, if they're a good player, if they're a dope human, fuck
yeah, Who cares, Yeah. Especially the racing dude.
It's when people are horrible players or annoying as hell then
I'm like I don't care who you are just.
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