Welcome to cannabis school. I'm your host Jessie Angeles and
I'm Brandon Elder and we're here to talk to you about everything
pertaining to cannabis from bait, flower Edibles, strains
and everything in between. Welcome back, everybody, thanks
for joining us this week. We're actually going to be
meeting with Frank and Alex from Moxie and we're just going to
jump right in. I've heard good things about
logic. Yeah, I just haven't used it
pretty much at Full Sail, like, everyone just went to school,
there to learn how to make dubstep.
That was pretty metal everyone there.
If it was 100 people in class, there was a hundred people where
I'm like Beats by Dre. Making dubstep beats in that
cloud. That party was ten years before
that. It was all wrap.
Everybody wanted to be a replica 2003.
Yeah, putting myself. Yeah.
So, do you do you still have some of your Beats?
Then, yeah, just make music now. Like produce fire.
Yeah, well thanks, nice. Iced.
I like used to rap. I did it for 15 years.
I was trying to actually seriously make it and I just
wasn't making money. I wasn't happy started working
for Moxie and I made a decision to focus on that, right?
Instead of performing on stage every night making 50 bucks.
So let's go into that, you know. So so if you kind of left
steered me in a different direction, so what will one of
those opportunities were just kind of presented yourself and
you're like, hey, they're hiring and I'm going to get into there,
or you had interest. No, so, I knew the people that
were running Moxie but they lived in another state.
Eight and I was in Vegas. So just kind of like my divine
intervention. I met somebody that worked at
the Moxie Vegas location, he offered me a job on the spot so
I was like yeah you know, started packaging labeling, $12
an hour, learn from the ground up, moved his extraction,
distillation marketing and then sells the journey?
Yeah, yeah. Started off as a rapper and now
you're like us. Be cool.
Now, I'm selling started from the bottom.
Now we're here, I'm just doing it because I was also a rapper
at Full Sail. Wait, wait works.
I have a, what were your wrapper names, Go?
I mean, you can still find me Anglo-Saxon angle of sack
Anglo-Saxon. Yeah, it's a play on words.
You can pull it up right now. All right.
Well, not, you know, that's all that, but yeah.
You know, it is what it is. No no I mean I mean I'm just
going to put it over there in my playlist.
I mean I'm not going to play right now.
We'll probably have to put a sample in there and show notes.
Oh yeah. Well throw down some sure.
I mean, only if you down with anyone if it brings into that
will see ya, I'll say I'll text you over, you know.
The website. Yeah, there we go.
Yeah, throw that in there and I was in a group.
I'm gonna I'm going to refrain from saying the name of this
group that good. Huh?
That, well, I'm not afraid of the music.
It's just, I was in it. It's like, you know, when
you're, you have like a friendship and it's like, then
that friendship separates. So it's like that group was like
me and a friend who I'm no longer.
So by choice, you know? Yeah.
And so it's like, Yeah. No, look up that if you want to
look up some music, I did check out Recon because when I was
even younger before College, I was in a hardcore band, a
straight edge hardcore band that and we toured all around the
u.s. all around Europe Canada. So that was fun for real.
That's awesome. So I went from being a lead
singer of a straight edge band. Every night just preaching the
good word of don't do drugs, don't smoke, don't you know, all
this stuff and then a few cannabis cups, later this is
known for something else, you know, he was there.
Holy cow. I saw you were you had like your
first tour that you did around the u.s. when back in?
Was it before 2014? Yeah, for sure?
Yeah. Yeah.
Because in 14. I would have been in California
and so when I was in Recon, that was 2008.
Maybe and that's when, you know, I was 20 years old in a van
touring around the country. Just screaming at people for 30
minutes a night. Does that feel like a whole
nother lifetime ago? Absolutely.
So I'm totally here so you
straight edge and I'm very familiar straight edge.
Yeah. I mean pretty intense people?
Yeah. But What was that?
What brought you over to to the world of cannabis well, so
breaking Edge right, big deal. Like I had a but I have a bunch
of straight edge tattoos, you know so it's like it was very
weird but I when you're like twenty one twenty two which
that's the age when I kind of made this decision.
It's like everyone, you know, is out drinking like that's what
people are doing. So it's being straight edge.
Socially is like Terrible decision because you essentially
are going. I want no friends.
I'd like to have none. Yeah.
And the ones that I'd like to have are crazy you know where
I'll be the DD wish terrible, right.
Like you're always that guy and it's like No And so you know, I
was almost 22 and I was like, I was like this just isn't seeming
like a good decision for social life and all this stuff and so I
was like screw it. Like I'm gonna start drinking so
I started going out, drinking at the bar with my And you know,
I'm drunk one night. Someone pulls out a bowl and
they're like passing it around. And it was like the one thing
that I was like, really nervous about it was like drinking is no
big deal, everybody drinks. But the weed thing I do know and
then trying lead for the first time I was drunk.
Didn't really get it. You know, I was like, oh,
whatever. I didn't even know if I felt
anything and then the first time I ever it was like three times,
trying weed. Later, I smoked out of a bong
and then we went for a drive. And I was just out and Main
driving on these roads. Next to these Farms, with these
cows, laughing my ass off. And I was like, I get it,
finally, I get it. And then from then on, it was
like, it was right before my 21st, or 22nd birthday, and I
was like, for my birthday. I'm going to buy a big old bag
of weed. This shit's awesome.
You know, like so from then on it was it was game over.
That was it. So then you started to I mean I
can imagine the evolution of your personality.
Over that period of time. Because yeah it's like when I
when I was another podcast we're talking about that like be life
before. Cannabis is typically one of a
lot of anger. Yeah.
A lot of just trying to make sure that everybody knows that
you're not. You're not a punk.
Yeah, you know you got something to prove, especially being from
the East Coast, right? Frank can relate.
Oh, for sure, being up in New York or being up in Maine, like
going to, you know, being in the hardcore scene, like, I went to
a lot of shows in Massachusetts. Boston and stuff like that.
And then, the band I was in was from New York is from Albany.
So that's a very rough place as well.
And yeah, going from that to being smoking cannabis.
Now, the personality change was huge, huge like, people who knew
that version of me who see me again.
Now are like, dude, you're like a totally different person,
totally different and even just from like because then you go to
La and all that Fades away. And you turn an asshole again,
believe isn't enough to buffer. What l.a. does to people, right?
So that's where shrooms comes. Yeah, that's where she was
coming for. Sure, for sure.
Because we just isn't enough anymore.
But yeah, I mean it's the personality changes canvas
alone. I mean it was, it was huge.
Yeah. It's a similar story for you.
Frank, what do you mean like I mean have you always consume
cannabis? Oh yeah for real when you start,
how Probably 14. What got you into cannabis and
14, just being shared a blunt or do we?
I don't know. I just I remember that far back.
We're getting like, it was 10 bucks and then I remember like I
couldn't control it. I don't know how to smoke is.
So the guy actually rolled it for me, you know.
Pause, cool, right? He was a couple years older than
me. Yea, same block.
So I was like alright, cool, so and then I got one of my
friends. No, We snuck into this, this
like this kids baseball field thing, you know, like and we
went to a Dugout right on defense were like we're gonna
smoke this shit. Yeah, yeah.
We're smoking in red clay pitch black, right and both of us,
Like nothing, you know, and then all of a sudden I look at him
and I'm like, hey, can you feel your legs like know?
So then you know, we freaked out after that.
Right course. And I think I went to my house
later that night, I was so stoned, and my mother looked at
me and jokingly. She's like, did you smoke a lot
of weed tonight? Yeah, I'm super high.
I'm going upstairs. God, my mom.
So chill. You know, I tell her that's what
this day. I remember that day.
She's like, no, no, like, little portion.
As I remember, she was probably high to, I know, right?
It's funny for you though. That is a moment.
You never going to forget in your life never and nobody else
will. I know that honey is it she's
giving me the out, right? Yeah, but she just joking
around. She's joking, right?
That's hilarious. Right.
What are the odds that sauce is so from, then on your You just
seem like just consuming because it just.
Yeah. What is it had to?
Well, I mean, at first, it's like a skate but what else?
Yeah, I was just experimenting, right?
Yeah, like and then what you got to understand?
I went to high school in South Carolina, the weed options and
like 99 it was like pretty minimal brick weeds seeds and
sticks and not you know. No, I got some of that once.
Yeah. Yeah.
Can the day? Yeah, it's big headache.
It wasn't till Florida. For the college where I started
seeing like different types of strains like you know, kind bud
or creating, you know they used to call it that right.
What will be stirs, bro, these days yesterday in the Northeast
dude, if you had the good weed as be stirs route, every time.
Funny? Yeah we've all come like small
yeas and one way or another it going.
Yeah. Hmm.
What's that? I mean yeah, picking up notes of
Seth's that cherries were made. So funny now because we're so
spoiled, we really are. I mean I love this world.
It covid-19 ask though, because going to a dispensary, you go to
all these ones before where you could smell it and yes and then
covid hit and you're like six feet behind the counter and
they're like well wafted it, you will tell you what it smells
like because they're like a little fan but this one's.
Yeah, that would have been a better idea.
I literally would go to shopping Denver.
And they would hold the jar open and then with like a piece of
paper that was laminated, they would like waft towards you.
It's like this isn't there? I don't know.
He's okay. It was a scary time covid in
Vegas in the Cannabis industry. Real mm.
Yeah, so what I used to do for Moxie's kind of like Marketing
sales where I would just do pop-ups, right?
Yeah, let's go to place to place every day and just do that.
But I remember when they shut down, literally a dispensary
like shut down while I was working removed.
All the customers bills like a major freakout moment.
It was lines of people at every dispensary trying to get weed.
When nobody knew? Yeah, it was I was stocking up.
I mean, I was buying shit that I would never.
I thought it was considered one of the essentials that was, uh,
yeah. Okay, yes.
Steamed afterwards though afterwards, right?
So then place is open back up with restrictions, but there was
a bit of those, like, a good, like two, three days where I was
like, oh, I'm not gonna smoke weed for a while.
Like I was getting worried, you know, but I was like well I'm
Really Gonna my worrying about like a little cranky but it's
still nice to have 100%. So Man, where else would we be
able to find Moxie? What states are Moxie in
California? That's where it all started.
West Coast West Coast right? I mean California here
obviously. Pennsylvania and Missouri really
weirdly in Missouri. Yeah cool.
So that's that's pretty fresh yeah.
Just like here freshest to be okay.
Cool. He has been about two years in,
Missouri them. No years, not like two months.
Oh shoot. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, bring it
so knowing where we're at and the different.
Contrast what's been the? Let's start with the Positive.
What's been the positive of being in Utah with a cannabis
company leading the way instantly?
Because there were no like when I moved here in February, I was
told. So I asked, what do you have for
concentrates on the shelf right now and they go?
Well, we have XYZ things and I was like well no, no like dho
and they're like oh nothing And it's like, that's what I heard
everywhere. And I was like, wait, this is no
one and Utah. Smoke boil like no one's making
BHO and all these people have licenses to do it and just note
that no one's chosen to do it. Let's go.
So, the second we got here and put products on the Shelf, it
was like, I guarantee you people that have had a card that hadn't
used it and we're just driving across the border to buy oil.
I have for the first time in who knows how long renewed their med
card and Utah to By jove here and it's like now you're seeing
a little bit more BHO. But it's, I mean, if you go on
the Shelf, like we were saying before we started recording like
even a lot like we're white labeling, a lot of stuff.
So a lot of the stuff that's not in a Moxie box is still made it.
Our lab says right on the box powered by Moxie, so it's like
that's bad ass, you know, even if it's not Moxie, it's Moxie,
you know what? You have to understand, Alex,
right? He's one of the co-founders and
he He he's like, the originator of cannabis oil, funny story, my
first dab was something that he made, which I didn't even know
him right across state lines. And that's how I fell in love
with cannabis even more some concentrates.
Yeah, so when did you first start making concentrates?
So I started making console. It was funny story, like I was
growing, so are one of the founders, fill his company
before Moxie was called HGH, and it was him as other dude.
I was working for them growing. In this other dude, Terry who's
one of the other Moxie Founders was doing the extracts and also
handle the bunch of the grow houses like away from LA area.
And so one day me and him were working in the same place.
He's doing the extraction, I was handling some gross stuff and he
was just like, man, this sucks and I was like what and he was
like, I don't want to do extract, he's like I just want
to grow, he's like I hate all this stuff and I was like Teach
me how to do it. Like, I've never had tea will
trade growing for me. I'm like you prefer.
Yeah, traction, put me in the lab, dude.
You know what I mean? It seems like way more my speed
of things. And so, he essentially just over
the couple weeks, couple months, like taught me everything, he
knew, and we were still doing extraction and like, we had the
pot, the vacuum pot, you know, we didn't have across
International vacuum ovens or anything like that.
And then everything was open blasting in a garage.
You know it's like it was sketchy and so we move from that
to where we have this facility and our CEO Jordan just buys a
used Precision px1 brings it to the lab one day and he's like
set it up dope and I'm like okay and like we go to Vegas and we
visit some someone else had bought a px 1 and they were
setting it up and they were getting taught how to use it and
I like watched from a distance and then went back to LA.
Two together started doing closed-loop extraction.
And that's, that's when everything changed.
Like, as soon as we started doing closed-loop extraction,
like it went from being top 10, it all the Cannabis cups to
being top three every time. Like, every time we answered
something, it was going to be on the podium for sure.
Yeah, I saw you were taking first place or really top back
since 2014. Yeah.
Before that. Yeah.
I think 14 was maybe the first time we won something.
Like I think we got third. Place with lemon cookies which
is just I mean that oil was so greasy.
It was so delicious. How you wanna first place at the
first ever hit man, chalice? Yeah California.
Yeah, that was an interesting night.
It just being like, yeah, this is great.
I think I know where I am. Like, was it a person who was
hand presenting the award or was it that point?
Well, massive. So, some other type of creature.
Well, no, it was a person, but imagine chalice like it was a
music festival. So we get on stage and it's like
thousands of people can imagine what the light.
Yeah. Yeah.
That's just like, and so I just have the sunglasses on with this
big grin. Like, all right, you know, But
that was an interesting night, man.
It's great being able to win those things, but it's about
more people using your product. Yes.
And loving your problem. Yeah, yeah.
That's his focus is to give like a safe and renewable cannabis
Source. Yo, what have you guys found?
That creates such a safe product for moxie?
Well, I can just say one word, terpenes go into that, I'm here,
Jim. Just that's, we are known for
tariffs and testing and showing what's in there.
And that's, you know, like you were saying earlier before, like
you would totally against smoking anything that doesn't
have reliable test results and stuff like that like on the same
way. And like when we got here to
like we noticed almost no one's testing for what terpenes are in
the products of the right. And it's like that's so
ridiculous because Like in California, you going to a shop
and I guarantee you they're going to have Gorilla Glue,
they're going to have blue dream.
They're going to have all these things.
That doesn't mean it's those things.
That just means they called some weed that stuff.
And if they're not testing the terpenes and you can't see
what's in there. They can go ahead and do that.
They can call it whatever. And, and like, we were saying
box, he likes to call you, we use a lot of crazy names.
We're not using these like, you know, strains that have been
around for forever. Like because one know, Once that
stuff anyway and two it's more fun to just make something like
just like a fun brand like a brand looks nice and it looks
like something you want to be a part of.
So constrain names and the way that the way that, you know, it
is what you want and it is going to do the things you want is
with that terpene test because you know, okay.
It's got x amount of Mercy, an x amount of this x amount of that.
Those are exactly the things I'm looking for not, hey, I'm
looking for Gorilla Glue. Yeah.
Like, that doesn't do anything. Because from called hard, To
cultivar, that's going to be different total, you know, even
from location to location. Totally.
So, from sea to Sea. Yeah, well, everyone out here is
growing Autos so it's like we'll get a whole Harvest of the same
strain and every batch terpene test is wildly different.
Yeah completely it's really. I'm seeing serves I've never
seen before. Yeah.
In this state interesting. Yeah.
What are the some of the terpenes that you found coming?
And you tell one of them like the big one is signing so we're
getting sighs I mean right as a terp to in hide amount decent
amounts, right? So I'm like what is I mean?
Right? That's testing for it.
So I started researching it right and I find out has all
these good properties, you know? I mean just like another
turquoise, right? But this one is specific.
For what was about cancer. Yeah, it was like like brain
cancer specific like Auntie brain tumor type of her.
It was is very weird at all these really weird.
I'm sure he's looking it up right now and yeah, haha smoke
quite a lot in the last hour so I can't remember everything.
There's so much information that you consume that.
Sometimes it's just hard to recall it instantaneously
because this is exactly what that is.
Especially, we're looking to see These test results all day every
day. Oh yeah.
But that, that really does separate.
I mean we've, you know, brand and I have had our fair share of
legal and black market cards. Sure.
And the funny thing is that, you know, some of the black market
carts, we've had have been so consistent.
Yeah, flavor Terps. Well, they're made by people who
smoke cannabis, right? But then you'll get another,
you'll get another one. Where they all taste the same
and you're like hmm. Yeah Seasons just plant plant
derived Harps from whatever yep not necessarily directly from
that plant and that for me it's just like you.
Yeah sure you're going to get maybe a little light-headed.
Maybe you're going to feel a little energized but the
consistency and just like you saying like having your own name
she's just saying look I we don't we can't necessarily Call
It Whatever you write because it doesn't have the same
properties. Like One of my favorite strains
you know Pineapple Express and I will have it somewhere and I'll
feel like amazing sativa and the next time it's more hybrid into
cleaning dominant and I'm like yeah whoa this is totally
different because that's a super popular name for people to just
throw on right. Whatever you know what I mean.
Oh wow Blue Dream biggest culprit on that right this guy
loves blue green. Oh I do too dude I think I've
posted to memes in my life. Both of them were Eating on Blue
Dream, I hate blue, Jerry, Lee, blue dream and green crack.
If those trains for some reason just disappeared disappeared
from existence we'd be in a just a way better world.
That's some strong words. Why they're just terrible.
Like you could be Like what's the lowest recorded IQ ever?
Because you could be one of the Jenners, isn't it?
You could be that guy here. I think maybe probably you could
be that guy. You could have the lowest
recorded IQ in human history and grow three pounds of light,
green crack and blue dream. He's 0 for 200, but nobody in
recorded history is found that. So then give me the answer of
what's actually been found. I bet it's probably a six, some
dues Lori's overlooked 75%, this has Picture of some of Caitlyn
Jenner. My cat just did this film tell
he's walking around with his mouth, open smoking, Blue Dream.
Just going yeah this is awesome. That's hilarious.
This is pretty terrible, I don't know either but I'm telling you
it's just those things. It's like really like basic
beginner stuff where it's like, I gave that that number six,
some form cookies and said grow this he'd never he could.
Could possibly he'd be getting like a quarter pound of light,
you know. And it's like there's just
levels to certain strains and like your ability to like
control them and grow them properly.
So you're still getting crazy yields whereas like just you
could not try and get 3 pounds of light off those strains.
So people get like have this crazy idea that they're great
girl or something. So it's one of the like highest
yielding ones out there. Yeah.
That's why people grow it too. Because then it's like, okay, I
know I'm going to get my money's worth out of this girl where Get
form, cookies and go even if I do a perfect job, maybe I get a
pound and a half for light like I don't want that because they
want to get the numbers. But the thing is some of that
pound and a half of that. Could be really dangerous.
Yeah. Yeah.
Some of the top shelf stuff, this has amazing terpene
profiles, that's what kind of Moxie's is really known for its
small batches. Yep.
That's what really makes us and will bite.
The bullet will grow some Tangi. That's only going to yield
garbage on the flower side. Garbage on the oil side and will
still grow it. Because it's fire.
Yo usee Angie is fire that, don't love Tangi.
Yeah, shut up. You had a lot of challenges if I
don't say shout out the enemy gets super.
Oh he's a few errands. Going from flower we talking
about your guys is extraction process and that the amount of
attention that you give to it. Yeah.
Why do you feel that? Why do you feel that?
It's not being. Given the proper attention to by
other two, other extractions. I mean, it could be a million
different things. If I just had to like randomly,
go on a rant and guess, right now, I would say that like, I
just come from a generation that pays more attention to the small
things and especially like I come from East Coast.
Like I'm not from California and like a lot of the people I saw
doing stuff they were just interested in it for the
lifestyle and not really like they were making good stuff.
They knew what they were doing but it was really about the
lifestyle of like I'm an extractor in California and
that's why they were doing it. Whereas for me like I knew being
in Moxie we were going to enter cups and if we were going to do
that I wanted to win. So I was like what is the
fourth? Like, because we were getting
the same flowers. Everybody else, we're getting
Crockett stuff. We're getting the strawberry
banana, the lemon skunk and so was Nature's lab.
So was everybody else in California?
And so it was like, Because there was a lot of times we'd
enter and didn't win and so it was just figuring out like okay,
what are the variables? What are the tiny little
adjustments? I have to make to be better than
them with the same shit and then once I figured that out like how
to make all these small tiny little adjustments and it was
everything from like watching, like cooking shows and like
seeing how they control the temperature of like I would like
an egg yolk is cooking and I'd like okay I can use that like I
can take that back and bring it to the lab and I can make this
Batter batter, you know what I mean?
And so it's just like, it's doing stuff like that over and
over and over again. And then you go from like top
10, top 5 and then it's like, okay, I'm finally like going
home with metals and cups, you know, that's awesome.
Yeah. But it's like are in that like
fine-tuning. Yeah, you know, and then it's
that Pursuit for that dumb little cup that translates into
like okay, now all our patients have the most fire stuff because
I want on this wild pursuit to make sure I won.
This friggin Gold Cup. So what's your next Wild Pursuit
for Moxie? I mean being here at my in Utah
for me, it's perfect. So I want to make sure that we
are name brand. Like when people like you know
how like people say Q-tips but that's a brand that's not what
that thing is, right? That's what I want people to
refer to oil as I want you know the Moxie stuff and they don't
even mean the brand they just mean yeah this is how ya like
Some trade. That's the goal.
Yeah. That's fucking cool.
I'll Google it's a term. Yeah, I'm gonna go batty.
Rocks, anoxia. Alright.
That's what it's gonna look like.
I've literally want people to walk into a shop.
Be like, I want one of these Moxie's and they've just talking
about oil, you know, it's funny. The that used to happen in Vegas
all of the time when they would be a general thing, you know,
like you say Kleenex. Yeah.
I was just thinking Kleenex,
right. Yeah.
It just goes in and that's awesome to hear that because Any
of the brands are just like I just want to sell as much as I
don't give a shit with the name is.
I don't care what the Yeah that doesn't matter and it's so does
matter to the consumer, you know?
I mean like one of the cool things and for all those
listening and we were fortunate to be able to protect of these
amazing carts, cool design by the way that's fresh with these
people. So we know they consume they're
like actually artificially people and man, I got to tell
you, I mean, just going into you know.
People talk about the batteries in the cards that aren't really
important, but there's only a few Brands out there that I go.
Oh yeah, you there's an experience with it.
Yes, like that. That just so nice.
Yeah, I mean, but the the duck? No.
But, I mean, just thinking about the design everything like that.
This wasn't done on just whatever's available.
Yeah, so I mean with this the dart this thing is sick.
It's literally like the Cadillac of batteries and yeah, I know
these aren't out yet, aren't they?
No, no. There used to be.
Yes. I mean in Cali.
Yes. In cap.
So they're available in Kauai yet believe so.
Yeah honey. When you toss to put a picture
up there on the I don't show no but I'm thinking you guys know.
Is it months? How weeks out if this month this
month, you're releasing the darpa's this month.
And the best thing about it is is any Utah patients listening.
The battery is going to be free, we're not going to charge
anybody for the battery. Yeah.
We literally have enough for every single patient and state.
So if we can hook every single patient of just got to go buy a
van which is you buy a pod. Yeah, battery there have
Grandpa's. That's you know yeah so a price
points will be a little cheaper because it's less you know but
we have four different flavors initially launching so also the
ones that we've tried tonight. Have been.
Oh amazing. But the cool part is is just
there's a lot of care and love that goes into designing
something such as this and then being bold enough to Say, like,
look just by the Pod, get the battery.
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't know any more
about batteries out of time. Yeah, same.
I agree to try. Nobody wants another battery.
Yeah, so many but you guys, maybe not don't realize what you
thought isn't realize. There's not that many compared
to the no. There isn't.
Right. There's only how many pots
systems are here in Utah, or probably.
Yeah many. But, regardless, it's still
another proprietary thing that you gotta buy and you got to
Subscribe to but no one's giving it to you except Moxie.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's what the weight in it.
I mean, I've tried other ones, I'm not a fan.
I mean I am. It was okay.
I had stood Izzy and and this is a review show so it doesn't
really matter. They can get pissed.
They like but there's no weight to it.
Yeah. And I found myself.
Receding it all the time and I did it wouldn't.
Yeah, it wouldn't work and but this is like a good weight to
it. This is something that you're
just going to Drop on the ground.
Yeah. And be like oh that's cool.
Let's get another one. Like this.
Is some exactly like oh man. Don't ruin my Moxie.
Yeah, right. Yeah, I like it.
I love it because don't teach her to say that he are above
oxy. If This falls and over there I'm
going to be upset yo because I can't I can't I can't enjoy this
with anything else. Yeah so that it gives so much
exclusivity to that to that customer going.
Yeah. I mean I I'm in the hole in it
right now, my hand out. Just like, I just like it there.
It's just like, it's a fidget spinner, it's everything there.
But it's just like, I know exactly what this gives me is
the experience. It's not.
Yeah, I'm just going to get high.
Yep, you know, I want an experience and being able to
look at the design, the features of that one.
The boldness of being able to give that said a lot about the
brand and they're really about the consumer and that's just
V10. I know.
I get this kind of so Frank, you seem like you puff all day.
Like I do have you figured out How long the battery on this
last year? That battery can last a good
three, four days. Yeah, to be honest, I still go
through the Pod before the battery dies for no shit.
Yeah, yeah I'm impressed because that never happened Jimmy.
Yeah, I will 100% burn through my battery before.
My card has ever gone really. Oh yeah, I have yeah this will
change you. Yeah, I'm excited.
Charge It Up full and then I guarantee you'll finish the Pod
way but you'll finish two pods before.
That sounds like you smoke more than I do and I'm sure you can
finish this whole pot in a day I could.
But I don't I limit myself and that's why I also use flour and
tinctures and other stuff because yeah, if I do I'll just
blow through one in the day and Omer only limiting myself right
now because I just had surgery but otherwise I would be smoking
way more. II, am I am absolutely impressed
and just, you know, for those that are listening and I mean,
we have big areas out there, you know, our Cali people, would
love you, we talking about this, get out there.
Get these, get these new darts. If you guys got the darts, man,
you guys are lucky for those Utah.
People that listen to us. It's kind of this, this is for
you guys launching these in Pennsylvania and Missouri's.
Well, I mean others day. Besides Missouri has gotten
these darts. Oh hello.
Right now long before us. Yeah.
Utah for we're a little slow. Well we just launched two months
ago. No, I meant you tons.
Yeah. Slow on the pickup but I mean
there's amount of time. Yeah.
It is right. Just like you gotta count for
jet lag. Yeah.
Yeah, this has been amazing. You know, one of the things that
guys, I mean, we got to know each other a little bit
personally before we got into this and I just appreciate the
hell you guys really, really, really care about the product
because you are the product and to really cannabis companies
that have we've seen, come and go.
They're all about that. Just chasing the coin.
But man, it says something to us as consumers.
We have a real good connection with the products.
We have just like we were talking about Kleenex, you know.
Yep. It becomes that.
And this This is got that amazing feel.
Oh yeah. Well thank you, man.
Yeah. Sweet with Moxie.
Obviously you like creating doing your own strains?
Everything like that. Do you have a favorite
concoction? Yeah.
So back in the day, when I lived on Jordans couch, he's our CEO.
This all started just like a seed company that we had in one
of the extra bedrooms in our house in North Hollywood.
And so in that seed, Vroom that we had, it was like a for
lighter. I I made a strain.
It was, it was our vipre city OG mixed with tanji and amazing
strain. I called it golden Cobra and
that's to this day, one of my all-time favorites, we have it
growing up in WoW, wherever in the mountains right now.
Yeah, and harvesting soon. And so that'll be one of the
ones that the Utah people will be able to enjoy man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got it Frank.
Oh yeah. I had all the old stuff that
Moxie made from the beginning. Yeah.
Like literally the begins with the first stuff ever dad.
So yes I'm very excited for all the new new new that's growing
right now that will be coming down soon.
So it won't just be all the you Todd, typical stuff that you see
ya. We're going to have new flavors.
That's exciting. You terms.
So we're your first day. Dabs on like two, hot knives or
were they with like, an actual rigs?
Very small rig? I had no idea what I was doing.
Did you know about the temperature?
No, no. See, I caught your lungs out.
I mean, really hard. No, yeah, yeah.
I was it was way too hot. I was not doing it right.
It's all that just pees everywhere like oh my God it
Like These are nice floors. Yeah luckily it was no damage.
I was able to get it all off mic.
That's how high that shit made me.
I was just not paying attention to my surroundings.
Wow. So when you guys started
dabbing, was it Glow? He's on a titanium nail or what
were you doing, Nas? I mean, my first was in on a rig
from him because I was always like that shit.
Look like a crack pipe to me all the time because problem, right?
Yeah, I don't like that. I didn't like that feel but you
know, using what was like? One of the first ones you just
had your like, little Rigsby come.
Yeah. The puff Coke I had the puff
Coke Peak Pro. Oh man, that's like the perfect
first dab experience. Yeah, that's what everything
actually, I prefer this one. This is the dr.
Diver switch. And it has a bigger water,
chamber itself cleaning. It also is so much easier to
clean the pub Co because the one problem with the puff Co is the
air chamber that goes between, it gets clogged really.
Indiana, and then starts failing just like our friends like after
a little bit, he's just like this sucks.
And that sucks. I know that, I don't know, no
one but I mean, I was, I was fortunate enough.
I mean, he probably had it on to hot knives.
As first time know, my first one was trying to think.
I think it was actually just a fad, a Brig but with like a
blowtorch. Yeah, yeah.
You know, obviously it was way too hot.
Sure it wasn't until she finished the whole thing.
Yeah. Exactly, it wasn't until months
and months in that I finally realized.
I am just like charring the shit out of this and it hurts going
down. So finally, I started I got to
the point that I found the perfect timer and I would set
Alexa to set a time round or it's a noun and I go hey Alexa
set a like 90 second timer and I'd wait 90 seconds for it to
cool and then I'd put my dad in, put my top on and I what is
this? A banger?
Or we talked about animating her back in the day, it was.
Yeah. Oh damn, okay.
Because I remember like just titanium nails and then they
came out that company. Whoever I forget what the
compiler educated they were making all the titanium stuff
and then they came out with a carb cap and it was like we were
all like, what the fuck change that for and then you realize
like oh you can it's creating a vacuum in there so you can
vaporize shit at a lower temperature and it's like then
it Like I can taste dabs. Like this is great.
Ha ha, ha damn, is even better than I thought it was like crazy
and not being has 26 different temperature.
Ranges. I think of crazy that you can do
and you can do a flower or a concentrate section and so you
can do really low Terps and that it's nice.
It's get so much more flavorful. Yeah, changes the game.
Do you know these things? Man?
Dude, it was best lucky for starts moving dabs.
Now can't gas anymore. Right.
Still have a torch, I do for sure.
Yeah, on the road dabs dude. No, no.
I just had I don't have one of these things so it's like, I
gotta go old school. He's old school really, I got a
little teeny little rig, I put it in a shoe.
It's tucked under my feet. Probably, you never seen the
little dab straws. No, I have seen that like a hose
or no. No, no, no, no.
I mean you can Those their automatic I had 12.
That was, who is it? I don't remember.
But it was just electric and it was like you carry that super
easy around. That was electric.
But no, it's an actual just like silicone tube with a glass tip.
All right, titanium tip. Yeah you heat up that then you
just touch it in your Puck and it's super easy.
Yeah that would be that would probably better than one and you
can carry around just one of the tiny little butane torch has and
you don't need one of the massive things.
Yeah that the Blazer are you? Go old school, right?
Laser torch in baby, that's wild.
That's so funny, man. I am feeling amazing on this
Dart and so do you do a lot of carts or what your favorite way
to partake? I dab.
Yeah, a lot. Yeah.
Especially because like Frank and I are essentially also
quality assurance for Moxie you course you know.
So it's like everything that comes out of the lab.
We gotta make sure yesterday so hard.
Yeah it was rough day. I got to start the morning down
by another damn when we got our Edibles are.
Right? I'm Callie like the samples,
right? Yeah.
The already ones that and it was a lot of them.
Probably over 10 flavors. Right?
Yeah. For sure.
Yeah. And I tried every single one
that's like there's some good. I'm just going to keep you know,
keep I gotta you know you know obviously we wanted to like open
for operations yet. So I went home and by the time I
got home, I was Sleeping for like four hours in the middle of
the day. It was horrible.
They just took too much and and who took the whole you took 100.
Yeah. I popped a hundred before we
started. We are you feeling now feeling
it? No, no.
Do you know how long they take to kick in pretty quick for me?
Yeah. Usually my 3040 that's usually
about, I have start tutorial it like a little cord.
Like I feel like I'm feeling but it also, I don't know.
Yeah, I'm feeling good. I mean with the dart, let me
know if I think about it. I might have a Slight.
Tingle this guy. How must I say on my core?
Yeah. Yeah like little Terminator of
taking uh see over here going I don't feel every single throwing
at me. I'm impervious to pain, right?
This is like, he's like impervious to your teenage son.
He lat. He would have something and I
would sit there going. I would put me in like into
full-on cerebral. Palsy mode where I'm like
drooling at the left side of my face and only my right side is
actually usable the other ones completely Frozen do.
Garnet is a weird thing, dude. So weird thing.
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