I'm Brandon. And I'm.
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Some weird person hit me up on Facebook and they're like, hey,
how are you? And it sounded like some Asian
lady who's trying to scam me. Yeah, I love those.
Like, I had this one. Really funny.
You remember that one I told you about with the gold razor?
So I had this guy. He was trying to be, he had
hacked somebody that I was connected to on Facebook.
And some of these people are people that I knew in high
school, which I don't know in high school, I don't know.
I don't know these people. They're just kids in passing,
but they Remember Me, apparently.
So one of them reaches out to me one day and says, hey, I really
need help. Like I don't even remember this
person level. I'm like, what do you need?
I can't get my prescriptions. I'm like, OK, it's because I
just need some money and I'm like, all right, where's the
place? Like I'll go in, I'll pay for
them, I'll meet you there. And they're like, no, no, no,
just send me the money. And I'm like, this sounds 'cause
I have a sister recovering. Well, she's not a recovering
act. She's been an addict for, I'd
say about about 28 years, heroin, Xanax type.
That's her flavor. And, and I was like, yeah, this
sounds like somebody just trying to get money from me because
I've known this, these conversations with my sister all
the time. So I was just like, I don't know
about that. I was like, you know, what do
you need? And go, well, I just need to go
over there. I, I, I just need to get my
prescription. I'm like, OK, well, and she go,
but do you have any, can you send me like an Amazon gift
card? And I said, oh, I didn't know
pharmacies takes Amazon. They go, yeah, yeah, they take
them now. And I'm like, oh, that's cool.
So what do you need? They go, well, I need a gold
Razor Amazon gift card and I'm like, OK, so I look up a gold
Razor, those scooters and I'm like, and I send a picture to
him. I said Kay, ordered it on the
way. Where do you want me to send it?
And they go no, no, I need a gold razor card.
I'm like, well, what am I going to do with this gold razor?
I don't need this. This is ridiculous.
I just spent all this money and they're like no, no, no, no, no.
Like to return it and get me a gift card.
All right. What kind of gift card from
target? So your pharmacies at Target?
No, no, no, no, no. But I can use a target gift
card. I'm like, you can buy in Target,
you can buy that. That's crazy.
I got to tell my brother about this because he's got lots of
Target gift cards and he could be buying all of his
pharmaceuticals there. It's just like, no, just look,
just send me this. I'm like, all right, hold on.
Let me get this straight. And I went all the way back to I
pissed them off for so long and I screenshot of the whole thing
and I gave it to my kids and they were dying.
So now they love messing with anybody like that.
And I'm like, hey, somebody's trying to get a hold.
You guys want to talk to them and my daughter's like messaging
them and. Well, I mean, that's, you know,
when you when you mention that and this is going to be weird,
like this voice thing. Yeah, dude, no, it's weird.
I, I I try to like me too. They get used to, I'm sure.
You guys been, it took us years to, I mean, it's been yours.
Hearing everything in this room, like, Oh my gosh, it's Neko.
Like that's the one that's inside my head all the time.
You know. What I'm saying?
No, you did hit a like a couple of key points I think where you
know, the world, OK, is looking through a certain type of a
lens, right, that that that is all manipulation.
Yeah, right. Totally.
Are we not being manipulated 100%?
You know what I mean? You did mention there a little
bit about family members that might have been on, you know,
certain things and and people acting that same way.
That's The thing is that that vibration is real.
Yeah, right. It is plaguing the earth that
we're we're walking on, right. Yeah.
I think those are the things, though, myself having a son, I
think we talked a little bit there.
You know, Logan. Logan went through a period of
his life where where he, you know, did some, you know, some
things, made some choices. And as a parent, we had to come
back and make that choice. I ended up in a situation where
when, you know, with him, where he was crying out to me asking
for for, you know, asking for money, asking for things that he
needed. And I had to boil it down to
this point of like, well, hey, if you need gas in your car and
you need food. Let me get that.
Let me get that for you, you know, but you're not going to
take anything else from me and that boundary like you have to
put up. Is that really hard to to set?
That's a hard one. I mean, you're especially when,
you know, like if you come in and say, you know, that's my
child. Yeah.
And half of the trauma that he's dealing with right now might be
because of you. Yeah, and that's a hard
realization too, of like, crap. Am I like, is this because of
me? Am I helping or hindering?
Like am I enabling this or am I you know?
Well, exactly. And you stop and you look at
like, you know, the scams that even go on with the elderly.
Oh, big time. Right.
And how even families take care of, I mean, taking advantage of
their own, you know, just the elderly in different things,
right. So it this same thing is
happening in all kinds of circles.
You. Know all kinds of things and we
do have family you know that that that we'd have to sit back
and watch. Are we learning lessons?
Of course we are, right. And we learned, we tried, we
know, we got to set up our boundaries, we got to put our
place in it. And so that's what you're doing.
And, and, and to be able to have, you know, at least the
insight to be able to see into that and that that there is a
scam and there is somebody trying to, you know, and to try
to work that, you know, that thing like, sorry, you, you just
can't con me here. You know, that's the funny part.
Well, and that's the thing too, like you know, when in talking
about your boy and talking about my sister, you know, the the
difficulty is I, I used to get really mad like this is you
against them. But the only thing is, is that
we we all have the opportunity to be able to obtain vices,
right? We obtain them.
We don't seek them out. We just get them.
We pick them up like like with the keys or, you know, dog shit
on your shoe. It's not, it's not saying that
one's less than the other. We just pick these things up and
sometimes they stick and sometimes they don't.
And I've known a lot of people like, you know, throughout my
time after my service in the Navy, I got out, I went crazy,
was just hanging out doing, I mean, if somebody handed me a
drug, I would do it. The only, only place I was like,
here's the line is heroin. I'm like, I don't touch it just
because I've seen too much. But everything else, bring it
on. And throughout that process,
like knowing that I don't need that.
I don't want that, I don't want that.
I mean I hurt my shoulder a long time ago and dude it was during
the big opiate push with lots of surgeons and I have not had
that. Orthopedic surgeon did.
I had a script of 30 lower tabs 7 point fives every Friday
filled every week. Every week I had it filled and I
was in, I thought it was like, it was awesome.
Like I come home from work and I'm I'm going to pop a few pills
and I'm going to clean my apartment with my buddy.
Like that's all we would do. I just get high and do that.
But it was just this feeling. I'm like, I don't like this.
And then what pushed it was I just like, you know, I should
ask him to see if I can get more.
So I said, hey, these seven fives aren't doing anything.
He's like all up at the 10. So I'm getting thirty 10s every
Friday. But my body was just like, it's
like eating like lots of fast food.
You're just like, I really need a home cooked meal.
This is just not good. And I just stopped.
But I kept picking up the scripts and I would put them in
a box and I'm like, maybe I can use them someday, but I don't
need them. And then somebody broke in our
apartment, one of our friends, and he stole it and left me a
check for $1500. He's like, hey, man, thanks a
lot. And I'm like, I'm not talking to
you ever. You stole it from me.
You could have just asked me and I and I would have told you, I
don't want you to do that. But there's a lot of people out
there that all they need to do is try it a few times.
And they're just like, I like this feeling because I can
escape who I am. And that's the hard thing to to
think about to realize because I don't feel that way on cannabis.
It's not usually trying to escape yourself with cannabis.
No, you, you're more Hans. Perspective, you're more
focused, you're more like analytical of or hyper
analytical of yourself and versus like, you know, most of
the other drugs where you like I said, it's numbing and
disassociative and you're like, oh cool.
Well, it's way different feeling than connecting.
No. And and then that's, I mean, I
think that, you know, on, on we're all on a journey.
He'll he'll, he'll me say that, probably.
A lot, yeah. No, we're on a journey.
You know, you touched on, I touched on having family members
that that tried harder drugs, right?
And I think that's that reality, You know, for myself especially,
you know, coming from the culture that we live in, from,
you know, the, you know, growing up in Salt Lake, you know, the
LDS church, we can put, you know, so many different things
in, in, in, in just where we live.
And the hurdles that we had to jump out, you know, jump through
of just the families and the and and and the disconnection that
is really kind of, you know, going kind of rapid everywhere,
you know, rampant, I guess I'd say.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I did the same thing like,
you know, my, my father was an alcoholic, OK, my mother
medicated with cannabis. It, you know, I mean, a a lot
pretty good 16 or whatever. It kind of started this journey,
right? And, you know, she would drink,
she would do other things, but she was just a cannabis girl.
And I mean, even to this day, that's that.
I mean, that's mom. She's still medication.
That's awesome. You know, so do you guys have
sessions together? You know, we have not.
So here's kind of that. I mean, here's kind of this
thing. It's been this sounds.
You have to. And before we get into that,
today's session is actually brought to you by Beehive
Gardens, Beehive Brands. Yeah, what's strange?
Jeremy brought us this beautiful.
So nice. So in this is what I've I've got
to figure out, it says Buzz, lemon sherbert and Chemdog.
So I'm wondering if it's like a hybrid of all of those or if
it's just lemon sherbert and Chemdog and Buzz is just what
their label beginning. Is their buzz, is their label.
I think yeah, OK, cool. It's the beehive.
It says Buzz right on the other. Side dude, that's awesome.
I like that. That's pretty cool.
And you know, this is cool 'cause this is like, we haven't
tried a lot of other Utah strings because we've been so
partial to Dragonfly one. It's because their quality is
super high. And then two, I've just, we just
haven't had a relationship with any of the other ones, so.
I mean, but I will, I will say this lemon Sherburton chem dog
smells delicious. Yeah, it smells great.
It looks. Well, it's really frosty to me.
Look at that. Like whole.
Green, you guys need to understand like for me with when
it comes to flower, I'm just been kind of a vape car guy.
Yeah, it's so much easier. For yeah, I mean, but that's but
that's the smell. I mean, there's a things that
kind of come with this where and I do.
That's the best part right there, just smelling it.
Right. Isn't it though?
I mean just to smell the flower. Yeah, so, well, that's so we had
a guy on back before the sash ever it happened.
A guy called, his thing was the gentleman Toker or Joe Turney,
and he always said the nose, nose.
And we talked about that like if you you have a bunch of strains
or you're going and can actually check them out, like smell it,
your body will tell you it'll go, yeah, this really smells
good to you. It's like pheromones, like the
right strain is going to be attracted to you, right?
Right. Oh.
Dude that's so good. What's?
It smells delicious. Sorry, I closed that.
No thanks a lot. Yeah, I was like, that's what I
always do, is just like push it against it sideways.
So I mean, I do have to like back in the back in my early
days, back in my 20s and even before that I, I did, I did
partake of a lot of cannabis flour.
I used to dabble in in distribution of it at one point
in my life. That's right.
You told us about that. Actually, I wanted to go into
that because it's such a cool pass to get you up to where you
are right now. And, and one of the things that
I really want to be able to give.
Well, one of the things we want to give that our audience is
that you, we have the crazy story of how this happened.
This is nuts. And how Jesse met Jeremy.
Yeah, and, and I'm going to tell the first part and I want Jenny
Jeremy to finish the last part 'cause that was the coolest
part. So we have a, a mutual friend
and, and you guys have heard me talk about 12 Shapes. 12 Shapes
has changed my life. And you know, we were, we had a,
we had a pop tire. I was meeting up with this lady,
her name is Kim Giles, the founder of 12 Shapes.
We're meeting up in the morning for breakfast and some business
stuff. Her tire pops and she's like, I
got to pull over. She pulls into a parking lot,
parks, there she goes. I know where it is.
Gets an Uber, meets us for breakfast, 'cause I was
introducing this woman, We're going to build a fundraiser for
this nonprofit that she has. And she's like, hey, look like,
you know, they go, we're going to split it into three checks
and I forgot my debit card. So I'm like, hey, why don't you
give me my breakfast and, and I'll get you back.
And she goes, no, no, no, actually, why don't you drive me
over to my car and that will cover it.
And I'm like, all right, fair enough.
Right. So that's the first sign.
Like things are supposed to go this way.
And then we drive there and as we're driving there, she goes,
oh, off on 33rd. So I get off on on 33rd South up
in Salt Lake City. And then we pull and she goes,
oh, it's at this golf course. I'm like, oh, OK, get out, go
over there. And I'm thinking, OK, well,
let's I'll help you change your tires.
She's like, no, you probably have somewhere to be.
And I always say like, doesn't matter what's going on.
I'm like, you know, I'm supposed to be where I'm supposed to be.
And right now I'm supposed to be here.
So whatever's going to happen is going to happen.
She goes, but you probably got meetings and stuff.
I'm like, doesn't matter. I'm supposed to be here, so I'm
trying to help figure out the tire.
That tire was fucked. It was driving me nuts.
It's a Jeep. If you own a Jeep, fuck Jeep.
Because I'll tell you why these weird assholes are like, they're
like Saab and and Volkswagen. The lug nuts are not they're
they're not lug nuts. They're lug bolts.
Oh, and they go right. In they go right into the rotor
and it's just a pain in the ass and nothing's fitting it and I'm
trying to get it off and all I find is this like and I I come
back and there's this there's a guy in the back and he's in this
like mechanic shop for golf carts and and he's pushing the
broom around and and you know he's just sweeping it up and I'm
like this guy's going to think I'm a Jag off, but I'm going to
come up and say hi to him anyways.
Hey man, how's it going? I said look, I need a little bit
of help. Do you have like a like a?
Ratchet or a? Wrench, I need to get this
little bolt off because I thought this little bolt was
holding the spare tire. Yeah, but it turns out, and
Jeremy came over and confirmed it.
He's like lever. No, they just put a pump in
there. What?
The all the new cars and you, you're listening and you're
like, yeah, my car has got one of those too.
But a pump, it's just an it's an electric.
Pump and I'm just having to confirm this 100% because I just
my my daughter has the same car. Yeah, yeah, he was telling us
about. That it does not have a spare
tire. And so we go back to the
dealership of like, hey, I don't have a spare tire.
They literally hand her like a pump and said, here it is.
And so an air pump. Yeah, an air pump, right?
Oh, just to pump up your tire, but.
Hundred, 100%. So you're sitting there going,
OK, well, this is simple if you're anywhere else, right?
If you're anywhere else, this might work.
Except where we were, right? Oh my.
Gosh, The the the tire had what did what did?
Yeah, got him the the tire. It was we all I thought was this
is what I had in my internal monologue.
I'm like, well fuck me now I'm just going to have depression
when I'm trying to pump up my tire and it just keeps leaking
air. I'm like, this is like an insult
to injury. Oh, so it was a really big hole.
Oh dude, there was a big gash in there.
It was like a Jeremy found. Cause Jeremy's like, oh, I've
got a, I've got a pump and I'll bring it over.
There's a little teeny compressor.
He starts filling up it's and he's like, yeah, that you're
going to have to get that replaced.
Going out as fast as it's going in, yeah.
He tells us this little tire place in Salt Lake and they were
the coolest. Nobody's there.
It was like travelling back in time.
We never showed you, but you just push that white part down.
Oh yeah, dude, yeah, we didn't. See that leather?
The white part just pushes down. Push on it Told you guys I'm a
rookie. No, no, no, no.
You're good. We're a rookie.
So this is. How you clear it?
You don't have to pull the ball out though.
Yeah. Oh yeah, dude.
It like kind of cool. This is like high tech.
Yeah, it's a indestructible bong, this is.
I love that it's water. I mean back in the day that was
like water. Bong was the way, dude.
This way here real quick, we're going to put a pause on the
story. I want you to take a hit and I
want you to go when you when you clear it, it's the smoothest hit
from any bong we've ever tried. This was sent to us and it sat
in my closet for six. Months we didn't even touch it
because we were like, oh we got a ton of shit.
This isn't our favorite looking one.
And then we tried it out one episode and it was like, Oh my
God, this is the best piece ever.
This is the only one we use on the show, yeah.
OK, well let's give this. A yeah, yeah, yeah.
So light it, but. Yeah.
Start pulling and then when you clear it, that's that's the cool
part that was cool we. Didn't even tell you.
I was like, yeah, but you don't have to pull the top.
Like pull the bowl out or? Anything.
No, dude. And it's so clean.
Plus you got yeah, yeah, no, let it fill a little bit like, well,
everybody on who's listening saying.
Go, go, go, go. No, don't pull.
Don't pull the carb yet. Pull it to fill it.
Oh, after you fill it. So let it fill and then push the
carb down and it'll. It'll just clear.
Sorry, now it's loading it. Up a little, there you go.
Now, now go go ahead and and start pulling and then push it
down. I guess you could let your
breath out if there you. Go.
There you go. Yeah.
For. Everybody, it's a smooth hit
that. Is nice.
Isn't it these this? You can taste everything.
It's a it's a it's pretty, it's a super small company.
Yeah, it's like a one man band almost.
But this is the best bong. And he's like, yeah, I'll send
you guys out another one. And then that never happened
because? He's super busy.
So busy. But the cool thing is, is that
people been going and getting it.
Like that's cool 'cause it is. It's heavy.
And this is their smallest one. That's the, that's the extra
small. The other ones are massive.
They're so cool but so clean. Yeah, my cousin bought like
their large one. It's about that tall, I think.
The bowls are just perfect, you can't clean it with anything
except ISO. Back in the back in the good old
days we had a A4 foot bong. Oh yeah.
And. It's name was King Louie.
Oh, that's beautiful. King Louie had a buddy.
Jeff Stillman had this big old, I mean, it was King Louie and it
man. So let me ask you, because
you've been in the cannabis, around cannabis, it sounds like
your entire life, yes. What do you notice in the
difference of quality between when you first entered into
cannabis? Oh yeah.
'Cause I mean you. You.
Notice a difference? Yeah, you're an old.
You're an OGI AM. I am an OG but it sounds like
you. Ran in some good solid.
The thing was is I mean. Kush was kush then though.
Kush was kush, but see you know when it when it get back into
the roots like I and I, I used like my father was my father was
he was very big into cannabis through the 90s.
He ran a distribution ring out of Juarez, Mexico for the
Aguirre organization that trafficked cannabis throughout
the United States. My father was instrumental in in
building the illegal compartments in.
Transportation. Transportation, yeah.
He had an opportunity that came before him and he, he did his
best at it. And so through, you know, my
teenage years, it was kind of a, a big part of our lives.
It kind of controlled, you know, a lot of our life.
Dude, let's go into that actually.
So we're going to put a pin in my story because that's actually
going to go really well towards the end, and I'm glad we're
pausing it. Jeremy's story is so cool and
unique. Let's start with that.
Like, talk about how early was that in your life?
Your dad's doing this. What what was that like?
What was life like during that time for you and your family?
And what did you know? And then what did you realize
later on? Well, the big thing was is like
cannabis in my world was, you know, I having all the wake 100%
confirmed it with mom, but it could have been used in the in
the womb. OK, maybe that's a conversation
we have to. Have so you're imprinted early.
So I'm imprinted early in my DNA strand, OK.
You already knew from the start. I was I I already came out of
the womb like needing a Jones and just like, right, I mean,
that's. That's just going sideways.
And I hope and I hope mom don't like, like, Take Me Out like
that, but that's OK. That's awesome.
She was still a cool mom. I mean, of course she would grow
cannabis in the backyard amongst the tomato plants.
And where was this? This is in Sandy, UT.
Dude right here in Sandy. Utah Coca-Cola.
I grew up in the same house my whole life.
Yeah, went to Mid Valley Elementary School, went to Union
Middle School and I should have been, I should have attended
Hillcrest High School. Kind.
Of had to either Hillcrest or Jordan but was more the
Hillcrest side. But at this little point in
time, I ended up 9th grade year down in a small town in southern
Utah called Enterprise, UT. Yeah, we're aware of that one,
OK. How was that making that change
as like a freshman? As a freshman, it was so it was
so hard because I'm coming out. Oh yeah.
I mean, and I mean, I'm getting, I'm getting pulled out of a
lifestyle because my, my parents are getting a divorce is
happening right here. They're splitting the weed.
And dad is no, they are.
I mean, they're literally said and he's down and out.
I mean, there's some things happening and he gets this
cannabis company handed to him, right?
So. Here some Walter White.
On a silver platter on. A on a silver, literally on a
silver platter. So you run it here.
You run it and you do it because you're the white guy, right?
And I, I don't mean to throw that in there, but this is.
'Cause it was a bunch of panic. Well.
I'm not we. I'm not we.
We understand, We understand. Yeah, don't worry, I.
I was not that. There's no racial nothing.
Here not rather one of my hey. I just had to give you and I
see. That though?
Come on. If you listen to no, no, he's
just fucking with me. And, and the whole thing is
like, know that like I, I literally am color blind.
I only see people's behaviors. Yeah, and, and their behaviors
are language and that's all I want to speak.
I don't give a fuck where they're from or what you look
like. Like here's an example.
My brother-in-law, he's from, he's from Nigeria, right?
And he is black. Like, you know, like the two
blackest guys back in the day in the 90s in Hollywood, Eddie
Murphy and Wesley Snipes, right? Nobody was blacker.
Except for this. Guy.
Yeah. And this guy's really bite.
And so we go to Lava Hot Springs for a family vacation and he's
new. He he married in, he married my
sister-in-law, wasn't it? Yeah, it was.
Well, actually it was like in February.
Yeah, it was good. Yeah.
About five. Yeah, a little bit a little
while ago. And he's just not really social
and he's a little, I'm leaning towards he's on the spectrum
because I, I'm, I know a lot about the spectrum.
I've been dealing with it for 14, not dealing with it, but
learning about it and living with it for 14 years with my
son. And I just wanted to mess with
him because he never laughs. So he get up there and he's
like, and I said, oh, hey, I didn't think you were because he
surprised his wife. He said he wasn't coming.
Then he came up OK, very unlike him.
But he gets up there and I'm like, I really was looking
forward to not being here. And he's like, what do you mean
by that? And I'm like, well, because, I
mean, I came up here to work on my tan and how am I supposed to
compete with you? And he starts laughing and he
goes, I do not have a tan. I'm like, yeah, you do.
I was like, I was going to come over here going, what's your
secret, Crisco? Like you just rub that shit all
over your skin. He goes, why would I put Crisco
on my skin? I'm like, I love this.
I love that autism side of it. And I'm just like, of course I
was like, Nah, Nah. But he was laughing.
He's like, and he kept laughing. And the reason why I was
laughing, it was illogical to him.
He's like, but I am from Africa and I'm black and, and it was
just so funny. And he and I said, do you care
about this? He goes your arm.
I was like, yes. He's like, I mean, I don't know
what you mean. I said, 'cause I don't see your
colour, dude. I'm not, I'm not trying to
change to be like you. I don't need to.
And I said it's just people. Amen.
And he's just like, yeah, So I, I will frequently say a lot of
racist shit. And it's all in fun because I
grew up with racism. I, I didn't know it was racism.
I just thought people like picking fights with me.
And I was training in martial arts.
So I'm like, well, OK, kind of makes sense, right?
Maybe God's doing this right. Right, right.
God's like. You will learn how to fight to
hurt these, these other people. And like, all right, I mean, God
said so. But going through all that whole
process, I didn't understand racism.
I really didn't like, I just thought it was cool.
There was one black kid in my school.
I went to Mountain View High. Like we're close to the same
age. How?
How old are you? I'll be 50 this year.
Yeah, so I'm five years younger. I would not have guessed, no.
He knows. So what would you say though?
I would say you're about my age or younger and you're, yeah, I'm
40. Five.
Yeah, I was like 4445, maybe I. Get 43 a a lot and maybe 2 to 40
and I'm like oh sweet. No, it's I'm like.
I've got grandkids, guys. I've got grandkids that's.
How old is your? How old's your youngest?
My youngest is 22. Holy.
Cow. Wow.
I mean, I'm just on the verge of empty nesting.
Yeah, that's wild. Wow, is how is that?
That's wild. Like going from you said you had
three kids. I've got three boys, six
children. 06 children just in the conversation.
I only have five that I know of. Well, because that's.
What we got to the story? Yeah, that's where we're at in
the story. So, yeah, Crazy, man.
Six kids. It just it this is the cool.
This is the cool source. OK, I'm going to stop it there,
but rewind. Yeah, see, this is really good.
I was going to say. It's not.
I mean this is like the calming. Yeah, it's super calm.
It's relaxed. I mean, if I have to cook, I
mean like like vibrationally it's good.
Like it's just a. Good.
Yeah. You give us your review.
Seriously. Give us your review.
This is awesome. What do you what do you like
about it? Where are you feeling it 'cause
I feel it all over. I've got it in my my elbows, in
my arms, my toes. I think I mean, am I?
Yeah. That he mentions.
It I mean, is that not like the part though, when you finally, I
mean, how long did it take you to be able to feel your toes
though in line? I mean think about it like to.
I mean to. Are we talking about when I was
in Inception or I don't know. I'm saying, you know, like to be
able. To I was in the womb, I was
doing. I can feel my toes.
I don't know.
No no seriously because I have I have diabetic neuropathy and the
medicine has been taking away but it still tingles a little
bit but I know exactly what you mean.
Like it literally makes my feet feel warm.
It wasn't until I did meditations with cannabis that I
started to notice because I would do meditating like a
little bit before I really got back into cannabis.
And then I just like when I noticed, when I would meditate,
that's what I would notice all throughout my body more.
But that's because I was finally becoming present, yes.
And a lot of my other times I was way too anxious and stuck in
my head and all this other stuff.
So I wasn't allowing myself to just be present, didn't feel
everything. So.
Well, and I so, so, so that's the part like people like, oh,
you're, you know, you're 50 or whatever.
I'm going, there's a little, it's hard to be able to tell the
people of like what cannabis really, you know, can do for
you, right. And when you do slow down to
those states, I've been able to get into a few little
mindfulness where I'm trying to heal my body, right?
But the only way that I can heal my body is to heal the internal
self, right? And once you are mindful of
that, then you can start healing your body, yeah.
Right, because like there's all these things that talk about
like the body keep the score or, you know, it hangs.
On to your memories. And all these other things and.
Those books are amazing. I mean, I and, and you come and
go, OK, when you finally learn that and say, OK, I'm going to,
I'm going to start doing this right.
I'm going to start taking care of myself.
I was 305 lbs. What?
I was 305 lbs. I would never have guessed.
You look fantastic, 100. And 85 now, right?
But again, a journey that you can have, but until you love
yourself enough, you can't reverse anything.
You can't even manifest that you want to be.
Healed. You want to be healed.
Right, you don't even know. You don't even know.
Yeah, but if you don't know how to feel your toes.
Yeah, right. How can you heal your feet?
Well, or or if you can see them. Yeah, but I mean it's.
Right. Right, that's a struggle too.
Yeah, You know, like, I mean, that's the thing like nobody
thinks about, like a good friend of ours, Bennett Maxwell.
Do you know Bennett? I do not.
OK, but that's got to happen because you guys will get along
great. Bennett owns Dirty Dough Cookie.
OK. And you know, Bennett was around
about that, but he he he's no, he was, he was 310 lbs.
And now he's 200 lbs. He's he's a.
Big guy. He's a pretty muscular guy.
He's solid, 200, maybe 195, but I was around 2/25, 2:30 at my
heaviest. But at for me it was, I didn't
think I was heavy. You'd like when you were heavy.
You don't. It's just you.
It, it was just me and I think that's the, that's the part
where, you know, I pushed myself all the way to, to type 2
diabetes. I'm there.
High blood pressure Yep. I mean I was taken ever like
having to take everything. I mean I, I, I did not know who
I was. What was that switch?
What changed? Suffering, right?
I mean, cool, because there was a point where I did, you know,
and then this is the crazy part when you're like trying to put
loving yourself a little bit. And you know, I ended up, you
know, at my doctor, you know, like they trusted, right.
And we got down because I had somebody tell me, Hey, you might
be ADHD, right? And I'm working at a pretty high
level volume job. I'm general manager of Multi
$1,000,000. Basic.
Fabrication company, OK oil field and gas and then and
mining a lot of stuff in gold mines.
That's cool, we have a lot of mines here surprisingly.
Oh, yes, since I've worked in quite a few of them, did a lot
up in in Kennicott, a lot of the salt mines, different things,
but kind of doing that stuff, yeah.
That's really. Cool, but along that journey, is
that that part of, you know, loving yourself enough?
I had was trying to listen to individuals that were actually,
you know, trying to, I guess to get me to be better, right,
because I wasn't producing enough, you know, I'd, I'd, I'd
kind of, but man, I was, you know, very heavy.
You know, they were even trying to get me to the CrossFit gym,
you know, as we going to the CrossFit gym, you know, they
were trying but said, Hey, you might be ADHD.
Go, go check it out. You know, and I didn't
understand, you know, OK, maybe I will.
And so, you know, made a point with my doctor.
We went in, we sat down, I said, hey, the couple of people are
telling you might be ADHD. And I took his test.
He ran through the model and this is a guy I trusted.
I mean, he's like, he's like state president the guy latest.
I mean, there's a bunch of things, you know, just growing
up here in Utah, I mean, there's certain things without that
relationship where you think that, you know, you're trusted.
And I trusted the guy and I'm like, hey, I even trusted the
guy that told me, hey, you might be ADHD, right?
Yeah. So I go, I get the medication,
right. And I, I remember like the first
time I'm sitting in the, in the in Birch family Pharmacy, out in
the, out in the, the pharmacy there, dude.
And I'm like opening up this bag going, OK, what's what's this
going to do to me right now? Right.
And not knowing and, and, and, and I am, I'm, I'm fat.
I'm I'm at my wit's end, like and and here I am getting having
a boss telling me I'm not producing when we just, you
know. Yeah, make you feel like.
That we, we just told and we just sold, you know, $30 million
worth of mining equipment, right?
And like, it's still not enough, right?
And I'm trying and his only thing is, hey, go get on some
ADHD medication. And so I think, well, Dang, OK,
I'll go do that, right? Let me go see my trusted Dr.
tells me here, this is what you need.
So I'm sitting in that farming pharmacy parking lot and I open
it up and I-10 milligram pill, right?
And I'm like, I don't think I need that much.
Maybe I because I didn't even know what Adderall did, to be
honest, to the honest engine stuff.
Like my kids had one son that was on some at one time and I
didn't know what it did, right. And so I'm like, OK, well, maybe
it's good. And here I am, like 40 years old
and finally realizing that I might be ADHD.
Like, OK, I've ran some pretty, pretty successful businesses
that I've done, you know, stuff and I've travelled the world.
But like, but yeah, maybe that had something to do with it.
I don't know, but I finally like, OK, let me take this
medicine. So I talk and I and I and I pop
it and I'm like, OK, it's not working.
And wait there about 10 more minutes and OK, and I put the
car in reverse and I go to leave the parking lot and it kicks in
as I'm driving down the road, like right.
And I'm like, holy shit. This is like what it used to
feel like when I was on Wii. Really.
It literally lit me up. It literally hit some neutrons.
It hit whatever the ping and the dopamine that it opened up was
the right receptor because I at this time I was also on Zoloft,
OK, I'm like 100 milligrams of Zoloft, 30 milligrams, whatever
it was at the time. And I've tried everyone in the
book in this 20 year period, right?
Because I'm trying to you know that hard thing.
It was because of my faith, OK, along this journey because you
know, you had to fit in the kind of a box a little bit of what I
was doing. Who you are?
Who I am or? Present to be.
And present to be. And I had to keep it in this
little box. And that was kind of like my
reality of like, well, I'm doing it and I'm, I'm checking all the
boxes, right? I'm checking them all.
And you know, what kind of came to this, you know, realization
of like, well, as long as I'm doing it by the book, it's OK.
Yeah. And so 5 milligrams turned into
10 milligrams, 10 milligrams turned into 20 milligrams,
right. My shit started getting in
check. I ended up at the CrossFit gym.
I ended up starting to lose weight.
My house was Immaculate. My garage was perfect.
I did not have a flower that was out of place in the garden.
I had all of my stuff was so in check and I was booming,
booming. And I was chasing for more.
I was chasing. I was going to OK, but is it got
to be like 4050 milligrams a day?
Yep. And I'm hiding all this, though,
from even my wife. I, I mean, at least, you know, I
had the prescription. She didn't know I'm taking as
much as I was. And I've gone back to the doctor
a couple of times and up the dose.
Just saying, hey, you know what, I'd kind of found a way just
around it. And he, we just had such a trust
factor with each other that it didn't, it didn't matter.
Yeah, it didn't affect. It dude, everything you're
saying right now, like down to the moment you took that pill, I
know 'cause I was on Adderall a long time ago.
And what you're describing like everything, dude, I went through
all of that. I, I don't really, I mean, I
kind of remember the first time I smoke weed, but I remember the
day I took that pill. I remember how it made me feel,
what I accomplished. I was it was amazing.
And the weight started just like people were really concerned.
I was like down to 140 lbs. I didn't look like that since I
was a teeny shit. Right.
And I was just like, whoa. But I thought it was amazing.
And it just like you said, I started on five greens, right?
The little 5 milligram. Yeah, yeah, the blue.
Yeah, greenish blue. And you take, see, that's pretty
fucked up, bro. And then you take that and
you're like, whoa, but it wasn't an extended release.
And then you get the extended release going, no, I don't like
that because then it takes longer.
I need it now. And then you find yourself
crushing them by chewing them. And then you start snorting them
because you want to go faster and you want to feel that way.
And it goes from 5:00 to 10:00 to 20 to 40 is exactly that.
Dude, I that whole thing, I just.
Have a flashback You resonated. The whole time, and you know
what I was thinking? I'm like, yeah, I missed that
feeling of you just feel accomplished, like all your mind
does is like that. And it makes sense what you just
said about it feels like weed because it slows everything
down. But what?
But what I had to realize of what it triggered on the other
side of that was this very intense ego.
Yep. OK, this is like ego on
steroids. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
OK. I know exactly what you're
talking. About and at the time, at the
time in my life, I was actually like doing some growth hormone
of different things because I'd lost the weight.
I'm fine. I mean, it's coming off like
gangbusters. And we're at the CrossFit gym
and you know, you're just doing it.
It's just the guys you're with and just everything that's going
and, you know, everything's clicking right.
And I think that's that period where egos took over so much,
right? But it was not going to let me
and, and, and, and I'm very grateful at this point in my
life. OK, This is probably one of the
most humbling experiences that I had to go through.
OK. But that's the part of the story
where we've gotten to a couple of times where, you know, I
ended up with my daughter in Colorado at a softball
tournament. She's he's my kid.
We travelled along a lot trying to fulfill her dream of being a
a collegiate softball player. She was able to fulfill that
dream. Awesome.
That's cool. She is now in Nebraska, starting
her first year as a high school teacher, teaching gym and the
high school weight class, and she's coaching softball in
Nebraska City, NE. Wow.
We just moved him out there two weeks ago, so.
That's. Hard.
She was with me in this journey too.
Like they've all been right, but I'm literally had got on to
wit's end and I'm like freaking pop and alga seltzer roll aids
at different times 'cause my gut's just getting eaten up.
I'm just, life is so high stress, right, with everything,
even taking the stuff and you're having to take more to get you
where you are. And I woke up in the middle of
the night and I'm just, I mean, I'm, I'm tapped out.
I mean, we've been traveling. You look at the life and how
crazy we were going, how crazy I was going, but we had to keep it
going. That's the part.
It was like, this is for my kid. I mean, like, so it's like part
of the story too, right? So you're like, OK, what
happened here? But we're sitting in a hotel and
I'd gotten up and didn't have any Rolaids and I've got like
heartburn like so freaking bad. And I'm gut problems.
You know, I've been, I've just ulcers, I've suffered from
ulcers. I suffered from this time
distress ulcers, right? But also ibuprofen added on it
too, though, like through this journey and they've like getting
some gut stuff when you're taking like 800 milligrams a
day, but all the time. But those things that we did to
ourselves to make it suffer or whatever, I suffered to my wit's
end, I guess. I mean, that's the only thing I
could put into play. And I needed some Alka seltzer,
needed some Tums. I jumped in the car, left to
lock the door, went out, jumped to the car, drove down the road.
It's kind of crazy stand up at a Maverick station, right?
Like go Maverick or whatever, but yeah, right.
I I I dude, I won money from Maverick.
No. What?
OK, Wait, wait, wait. Keep going where you're at.
I want to go back to the cause. We've got all the time in the
world, dude. So tell us at all.
Tell us at all. So we're here.
OK, we're here. We'll bring this back.
Sorry, no worries. Drive into the Maverick and
literally I'm just hurting. I'm just, you know, you got that
whole just give me the freaking stuff.
This is what I need. And I'm literally get out of the
car and whatever, however I was talking to myself or whatever
was whispering into my ear says to me like, Hey, you need to go
talk to that homeless guy over there.
And I'm like, what freaking homeless guy?
I I this is honest engine stuff. You guys, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, no, I hear you. I've experienced this a lot.
I'm like, no, I don't like. I've got to get.
The stuff. The stuff in me right now, in me
right now literally walk into the Maverick.
I go over and grab a water because I know I need the water
to wash it down right. Come back around.
I'm looking for the Tums and I'm here and there and finally find
him. Get up to the the check stand
and again I set it down and it comes to me again.
I'm like, you got to talk to the homeless guy sitting out front
and I'm like, I can't do it like the I.
Taking care of me here. So I'm fighting it.
I'm fighting this, this, this thing.
I get outside the door. I don't even get them open,
right? I'm like, at least give this
thing. And I, I don't, I finally have
to surrender to this crap, right?
And I set them down in the car. I shut the door.
I walk back over like I don't have time for this.
I'm saying these things to myself as I'm walking up to a
homeless man sitting by the garbage can, literally by the
garbage can. And I'm like, hey, like, my name
is Jeremy Frischnick. You're OK.
And, and, and this badge that I wore, I might have even said,
like, I'm a missionary from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter
Day Saints. Like, how can I help you or
whatever? Because that's the badge I was
wearing. And I didn't know why I was
there or whatever, right? And I like, sat there.
And he like, looks up at me and he's like, hey, dude, like how
you doing? And I'm like, I'm doing good.
Like, can I help you with anything, right?
Can I help you? And he turns, he looks up and he
says, no, I'm here to help you. I'm like what?
This fucking trippy. Yeah, I'm like.
What, like you're here to help me?
I'm like, you're here to help me.
And he's like, yeah, I'm here to help you.
I said, OK, how are you going to help me?
And he opens up his bag. Opens up his bag.
And it had dude, there was like this big bag of change in there
to like coins. Like he might have robbed a
freaking like, like like robbed a, a place, a place or like, you
know, like a, a coin dispensing place.
And that's kind of what I was visually like, you know, just
came out of the armored car. Right, that's right.
I'm like, so that's. Kind of weird, like I, I don't
need your, I don't need your money, you know?
Yeah, I look over there and they're like, there's a, an
angel's hat, like from the angels is inside the bag.
And then off to the little corner, there was this little
container of Chiba chews, chocolate.
Chiba chews is what it was called, OK.
And at this time in my life, like, I knew that like, cannabis
was in Colorado. I mean, there was this time that
I was kind of like, maybe hoping to experience, or at least
before I died, you know, again, I'll be at this present time in
my thoughts and where life was because there was a part where I
thought cannabis at one time was pretty evil.
Yeah, me too. I got to be honest.
Totally. Me too.
Got to there was evil, right? Even though that played a big
part of my life, it was kind of evil.
It was kind of dark, right? So I didn't know how to take
that. But I went ahead and accepted an
offering from him when he pulled it out of the bag OK and offered
me the Chiba chews and said I was supposed to take them with
me. Yeah.
OK, he wanted to give me the angels hat because he kept
telling me I was an Angel, OK, But I decided to let him keep
that that hat. And The thing is, is along this
journey of this thing of meeting this guy and after these
transactions happened, he was trying to get back home to I
believe what was West Virginia. And I ended up helping him
purchase a, a ticket to take a Greyhound bus to get home to see
his grandmother. And I was in contact with her
kind of through the process of getting, getting him there.
And it found out that he was suffering from schizophrenia and
a few things, but he was able to find his way back home.
And like, so those little paradigms of things coming
together, like it was just, you know, people helping people.
Because at the time, I didn't realize what a blessing he'd
actually kind of given me. And when I finally humbled
myself down enough to say that it was OK to eat the Chiba chew,
let me tell you that Adderall and cannabis probably might not
be the best mix for right out of the gates, right?
Especially when it's a Chiba chew and you don't know how much
to take dose you don't. Even know what the dose.
Is I like everybody? Does they go like?
I'll eat this and I'll eat the whole thing because it's like,
oh, it's chocolate. Or whatever right?
Did you eat? The whole thing.
I ate the whole thing, geez. OK.
So let's say that my daughter, I mean, it kind of happened in the
weirded. We ended up on it.
Nothing weird happened, but she noticed a different in her
father. Yeah.
OK, Now what's going on? Right.
But that was part of the realization in it.
And it got bad again for a minute.
OK. Because you know, when the
culture that we live in and when my wife finally found out that
some things weren't, you know, when I'm lying, I mean, I mean,
let's say you're, you're hiding it.
I mean, you're doing some things and even in a marriage that
aren't cool, right? Because you're trying to be who
you are though, right? You're trying to like.
I know this is good for me. I'm seeing the benefits and the
values, but I don't know how to. Submit this Yeah, I don't know
how to do that because it's evil.
In yeah, in what we've grown up or known, it's demonized.
And so it's like, how do I have that communication on this?
Oh yeah. 100% like, I mean these are those like you almost feel
like you're a pioneer, right? I mean, we're.
Just yeah. Totally right.
So it's a covered wagon. How do we have this?
Conversation. Guys.
Yeah. Like, like guys, are you like
you like, I don't know, you know?
Like you guys seen this shit? Are your wives?
Doing the same thing. I mean, this is like it's like
right. And so there's that reality and
you're like, Dang, this is and and I might have got a little
bit weird, a little like hyperetic because I didn't know
the dose yet. I mean, that's the thing I'm
trying to figure out just your dosing, dosing, but.
Isn't that crazy though? Because I, I mean, what you're
talking about is the same thing Brandon brought to me.
He he got me a cart from from Colorado.
OK, I will never forget that cart because it was this little
black one that had this little nub on the end.
So it was like a stylus for your phone.
I'm like, brilliant, you're going to get stoned and fuck
around on your phone. That sounds awesome.
Like I never used it for that though, right?
But that's what you I mean that's.
What you that's what they think. You go, oh, that's cool and
useful. And then you're like, that's so
not useful. But I remember where I hid it in
my house and I would keep it there.
And it was my little secret. And my wife never knew.
My wife's, she knows. I mean, if she didn't know, she
knows right now and I don't know why I've never told her the
reason why I really liked enjoying mowing the lawn.
It was I get I I didn't know the dose.
He's just like. Just here's a pen take.
Here's a pen and I'm like cool. Oh.
I didn't know dosing. At that time, I still figured
out no clue and I just, I was taking like three or four hits
and I'm sensitive. I'm, I'm still sensitive to
cannabis and Oh my gosh, I was so high.
I thought the I was tilting with the earth as it was rotating and
I'm trying to push a lawn mower and I'm like, oh, and my wife's
and the lawn was not big. You remember my old lawn, it's
small and it would take Me 2 1/2 hours to cut that damn lawn.
And my my wife is like, but it was would you go?
Over that. Well, I wanted to make sure it
was all level. Oh, yeah.
But it was just. But it is exactly what you're
talking about. Like when you're on Adderall,
it's really cool at first because it's you put on these
lenses that you can now see the world in.
Oh, please. And when you're able to do that,
that's the one thing that I try to explain to people, like why
do I use cannabis at the level that I do?
Because my brain is going way too fast.
Same, it helps it slow down to where I can actually like.
I can pick out just normal stuff.
Yeah, yeah. And I and I know and and I can
listen more like, you know, where it's guided me to this
point. It's like where you're talking
with like the Chiba choos. Like, dude, for me, when I heard
that story, when the day that we met, I was just blown away.
Oh, I'll, I'll take some. Oh, I'll clear it.
Clear that for me, please. I'm just still a rookie.
This, I mean, honestly, this is amazingly like.
You're good to. Taste all of that.
I mean all of those things and I and I do like them.
There's there's, I've done a lot of research in the different
cannabinoids and what they're doing.
And I mean, I've been down that that path, especially trying to
find like we're talking dose. Yes.
Right. And trying to find what dose I
need, what is you know, what is how.
Do you figure that out more now? Oh, 100% like that's, I mean
that's so you find, especially when you know, half the battle
is deciding if you're sativa or indica, right?
Or what hybrid I'm supposed to find?
Which are the best? For you, for my profile and, you
know, on the on the journey of it all, like, like finding the
right, I don't know the right the right way.
Well, experience to go about like, you know, deciding that,
you know, to try to be, you know, open, you know, as, as we
go through the, the process of even having to be honest with
ourselves, right? Because there is the point
where, where you are mowing the lawn and it's going sideways and
your sideways. And, and that journey you went
through though, was part of the process that you had to go
through to decide when and how and what you felt like of when
you needed a little something and what that something was.
Yeah, it's, it's like that what we were talking about earlier
with Joe, the nose, nose and I I truly feel like the everything
that comes apart of this plant, it's pulling you towards it.
And the first thing to rely upon is your your senses.
Yes, and it's when you're touching it like, you know,
like, OK, cool. Like like last night the dude my
grinder like stuck together like it was glue like.
The bottom of this one where the Keith is 'cause.
I yeah, we can't even open that up.
I'm like I have to use pliers or something on this one cause I
think there's too much key from the bottom.
Just like Jesse tried, I tried. We were like, do we get a pipe
wrench for this like? Serious.
But it's just like the you. You know that.
You want me to open it then? Yeah.
Oh, can you? I don't know.
All right, Yeah, dude, right on. I mean, if you guys are just
saying you're not, we're just. Going to do that for all guests.
Now you have to try and open. It Who can open the bottom of
this grinder? We'll have a prize or something.
So what? So how do you decide what's the
top and the bottom? Because I would not even know
what I've never I've never used a grinder.
So what are you? Maybe.
No, dude, I'm. Just oh, because you mostly use
pens. I just use a pen and then I mean
I just do add edible moxie. Moxie.
Oh, OK. I do some moxie.
The good stuff. I mean, they've got.
Some do you do concentrates. I do just a live resin.
A live resin. Do you do a dab rig then?
I've never done dab to never. Really.
So when you're live resin, you're just getting the pens
then through Mox, yes, just. Through Moxy, they just have a
disposable. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, you know, to to get at least my live stuff and then my
gummies at night usually I'll do you know, have a good little OK
bit especially kind of mixed up for, you know, sleep.
Could try to get in that good. It's a rim.
You know it, it is. All of them are great.
The one thing I will say, though, this is yeah, that we
always talk about like, you know, vaping is vaping is like
fast food. It's good for a purpose, but
it's not the best. But live resin is the best
experience for rosin Rosin. But I feel like it's really hard
to find. Do we have many live rosins
here? I don't think we.
We have it like in concentrates, like pure plan has a dab, they
have black amber but dude for like half a gram it's 50 bucks.
Yeah, it's crazy. It's so expensive.
Dab. That's it That That's not a.
Lot No 1/2 an 1/2 a gram of dab. Not at.
All that'll go in like, I could use that easily in a day, Yeah,
like. That's not worth it to me.
But it's, you know, dab in general, it's really like, I was
really nervous about doing dab. And the big thing for me was is
because I didn't want to look like a crackhead because this
guy had this dab rig where he would hit it with this blowtorch
until the glass was red. And, and while it was cooling
down, he would say, and I'm not going to say it because it's
around here. But I just set a timer on my
little smart device for like, yeah, 90 seconds or whatever,
let it cool down to like the perfect temperature and then put
the dab in and. Then he put it in there and then
I was just like, all I had was the 1980s crack epidemic going
through my mind and I just because of the glass.
And he's like, you really should try it.
And then the first time I tried it I was like.
Well, and then it's also like thinking, oh crap, dabs are
going to be really high concentratements, but that's the
same thing that's in your pen. So all you have to do is take
the tiniest of little pieces. It could be like the size of a
pin head. Yeah.
Right, because it's the same thing as a pen.
You just take a tiny hit and even if you take that
concentrate through the dab rig, you don't have to take the
entire hit. You just take whatever you need
from it. But sometimes that flavor is
better, the experience is better, the concentrate is
better. And so getting through that, you
know, and realizing, hey, this is the same thing that's in the
pen, it's just a different method of consumption for it.
So if you can just it's just dosing again, you know?
Figuring well and I and I think I'm more like you know you said
what it truly looks like you're this weird yeah like weird
Wizards and dreams back in the. Day yeah, you're like that's.
The thing I don't know about that, and that's the part where
it's like for me it because I think it is in my eyes is my
medicine. Oh yeah.
Exactly. And that's.
And I'm not and I'm not trying to say that it, you know,
because we there is total ways of doing it.
And it's not that it's not that we're not hanging out because
we're here hanging out, right? I mean, I made the choice to,
you know, this is something I normally don't do, right?
But the experience. And here we are.
Like, that's where I can say like, no, like I'm going to
accept that. And that's OK.
You know, it's like asking me if I'm going to drink a cup of
coffee, remember? And I've still, I've still got
like, yeah, that was, you know, there's still, I've still got
this, this standard of things where I'm, I'm in my life.
I'm still trying to work through, you know what I mean?
Of like this level of well, of things, you know what I mean?
And I just, I mean, and it's like even the smell like, you
know, I, I remember back in the day like, like I when I became
an active Mormon in the church, I was a single dad, OK, living
in West Valley City, OK. And I mean, I was selling
cannabis at the time. So you were the cool white guy
around? I was the cool white guy, OK?
I was living there. My my ex, my ex-wife had moved
out OK, and we divorced. Bunch of weird stuff happened.
And I had the boys, my these three boys, Everett, Montana and
Logan were we were the brothers. That's what we called ourselves,
the brothers, OK, And we hung out a lot, OK?
They were my buddies, all right? And their mom left.
And that's who I had. And I had to say, OK, this is
what we're going to do. The boys are going to hang out.
We're going to do our thing. And as I started putting a few
puzzle pieces of life, because, you know, along this journey, I
myself ended up in a pretty dark place.
Ended up loading up a LED, loading up a gun and stuck it to
my head and I pulled the trigger.
OK, I pulled the trigger and it didn't go off.
It didn't. It didn't go off because, I
mean, I'm here, obviously, right?
Yeah, but I had to sit in it. I had to sit in it and start
putting the puzzle pieces together as I cried out right
before I said, what is my purpose?
I said, what's my purpose? And as these little things
played out, like all of a sudden I started getting these, these
photos like these shop them like my children, man, they're
running. Then they're playing and they're
running. They're playing.
And I was told that's what you're here to do.
And so when I'm sitting in this situation where it's me and
these three boys or mom, I'd come and ransacked the house and
like tears it all down, tears it all down.
And I'm trying to put the puzzle pieces back together.
And each night I'm coming and doing a room and I ended up in
the hall closet this night, this particular night and end up at
the hall closet. Boys were in bed.
I went out and smoked a bowl, come back in the house because
this is my next task I started. I mean, it was the hall closet
and I'm just picking shit up. Like, OK, I want this.
I'm throwing it away. And I'm sitting in the bunch of
stuff, 'cause this is like, you know, eight years of marriage
and like a bunch of shit, you know, all of these things.
And I'm just sitting in it, you know, I got to sort my crap out.
I might have went out and smoked another bowl, probably to come
back in, to be honest. Yeah, right.
And just to where I was. Yeah, you start figuring out
that your body needs more. But kids are kids are in bed.
I mean, things are happening, right?
And I'm not knowing what the heck to do.
And as I'm picking up these books, I pick up this one and I
look at it and it says Teachings by Gordon B Hinckley.
I'm like, unless it's kind of weird, you know, this is really
weird. Open up the book.
And it says to my grandson Jeremy, OK, may this book, like,
guide you in your life or whatever.
And I'm like, holy shit, this is weird shit going on right now,
right? And I set it aside and as I'm
digging a little deeper and I'm putting more stuff, all of a
sudden I end up with this set of scriptures.
They were just freaking sitting there like in my hands.
And they were the ones, my scriptures that I actually used
in high school. I was a seminary president back
in the day of my crazy story at a little private school called
Mount Vernon Academy. That's funny, I also went to a
private school in high school. That's kind of.
Cool and LDS based private school.
Well mine was LDS based too. What?
Yeah. Yeah, that sounds like I was
like that. That matches dude.
Oh my gosh. What school did you go to?
Leona Academy. OK, Yeah.
Yeah. So anyway, so but I was.
That's hilarious. I was not the seminary president
and I was the kid sleeping through cemeteries.
So. I was the seminary and I do not
still to this day. The my seminary teacher just
happened to be the mayor of West Valley at the time.
It's like dude. Oh wow, I can't remember his
name right. That's one hell of a thing to
do. Run seminary and be the mayor of
the city. Was that simultaneously?
Well, we were a small school dude.
My graduating class was 10. Oh yeah, that makes sense.
That was like mine. OK, we were a bunch of hoodlums
from all over, all over Utah. I mean, it was, yeah, I was a
senior class president too, of Dan.
That's kidding anyway. I was asked to speak at
graduation. Surprisingly, so did I, and I
was like, what the crap? Like do you guys even know?
Why are you asking me this? Right.
It was weird, but that's cool. That would have been awesome.
That that serious. That's so funny.
That's hilarious. OK.
OK, so where did we? That was just felt good.
Sorry. No, that was no, I mean, hey
there, we we let this flow. That's why it's a sesh.
But. Where were we?
Where were we at? Seriously, what was I saying?
You were talking about being a kid going to school in private
school. And we ended up there in Mount
Vernon Academy, but before that. Jesus.
No, You were in the I mean, it was right after where you'd
pulled the trigger and you found out your purpose.
You found these scripts. Kids scriptures.
So I'm sitting in this the scriptures come up lit and I so
I literally took these two components that I was given and
not quite sure and I set them in their own little pile.
OK because like, OK, is the world starting to tell me
something because this process that is happening, right because
I got to refrain back after this.
I tried to attempt suicide. Yeah, I did end up in the psych
ward at the LDS hospital, OK, and spent 2 1/2 weeks there.
I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, stage two bipolar,
manic depressive, seeing spiritual thoughts.
Because what I saw right in that when the kids and all that came
was kind of like this, like a light that I'd never seen before
in my whole life, right? And like, nobody, like, really
believed me. Yeah.
OK. And so they stuffed me in this
another this other box and this was a whole nother type of
medication at this time. Oh, yeah.
OK. Because I was cannabis.
And hey, I know you guys have a pill that'll just help me feel
like I am like when I'm on cannabis.
So it's a good thing I'm not telling you guys cannabis is
bad. That's the good part of all of
this. Yeah, I'm, I was telling the
doctors at this point, like I'm just, you guys have something,
right? I mean, it's just give me
something to feel like I'm on cannabis.
They just stretch in their head like this guy's a wack.
Dude, I worked 10 years in psych, so I, I ran several
different units at the Utah State Hospital for many years.
And yeah, everything you're talking about, like, yeah, I
know exactly what you're doing. I know I've met those patients.
I'm like, well, what are you here for?
This isn't. We're not helping.
You please understand this was with, this was early 2000s.
Yeah, Nope, early 2000s. That's when I was.
There wasn't a lot that was going on and it was just.
Nobody knew. Here you are.
But I mean, I I, I racked up a a $50,000 bill.
In 2 1/2 weeks. Yeah, 2 1/2 weeks of, of
everything there and like as lucky as I was like I ended up
with a guy that was in there that it was was the craziest
thing because I'm just like didn't have anything at the
time. I was like forever.
And I end up in there with these guys and we came best friends
and he paid my whole bill before I left.
I never got to thank the guy. I never got to thank the guy.
Like I can't, I mean, we were such buddies in there, right?
And I started asking and I like never knew.
And then somebody told him. I mean, the, I remember telling
him like he owns sport court or something, but I don't, I've,
I've never like what the journey to put it all the back together.
But this was a blessing in my life that came.
It was like the craziest thing ever.
And so that's that part. But I, you know, you come out of
it, you're on six different medications again, right?
And I just wasn't feeling it at the time in my life and had a
beat out of that box. And at that time I did pick up
cannabis again, OK, And that part was like the healing part
that finally opened. And that's when I was able to
put God into my life. Yep.
So this happened 1st and then the LDS church crap, right?
I mean it, LDS church had been my whole life, but this is when
I finally, and then my kids. OK, I'm asking the questions
though. If you don't freaking throw the
questions into the universe, right, then how are they ever
going to come back? And so is that prayer?
I mean, we could meditation is that I mean, we can all, we all
have our way, right? We've all been trained to do
certain things, right. But if you don't throw it into
the world, it can't come back. So this was kind of that
starting point of like saying like, OK, I'm going to trust the
universe a little bit, you know? But it is.
And when you learn that it is the it's, it's the, it's the
plant. It's the, the plant giving you
the experience that you need, exactly what you need.
And when you use and when and when you need it, OK, it's going
to tell you what you need to do. It's good at it.
It's good to tell you, make you feel how you're supposed to
feel. We all know it intensifies it
just a hair, right? Just to make us freaking see it,
right? Be present with it.
And sometimes it's because we try and avoid it.
Yes. So then instead, you know, and
then it really just presents itself.
And sometimes I feel like that can be one of the hardest things
for people, especially with cannabis is when you, I think
about this with certain people and they're dosing at the
beginning because I noticed in their experiences, they're like,
oh, I have this horrible experience.
And I was going through this and I was like thinking of myself
like how they appear, like how they show up.
And I was like, probably you're working through trauma, They're
working through self stuff like cannabis usually is super
introspective. And if you are really high, you
become incredibly introspective and you look at like all of
these things. And that can be really hard
because there's things that we're not ready to accept or
look at or that. And so even cannabis, it becomes
a thing of like, I will not touch that because I saw this
thing or I, I was faced with this stuff and I'm not ready for
that. I can't like, I don't want to
deal with this or face this at all.
Yeah. I just want to like, pretend
like it never happened, right? Dude, that makes so much sense
because I always think about your brother, you know, your
brother tried it one time and it was really hard.
But now what you just stated makes so much more sense.
It's the same thing. Like people talking about they
have a bad trip on mushrooms. Like I've never had a bad trip.
I've only had positive. But I mean, yeah, but I've been
putting a mild hallucinogen into my body for almost a decade now
and it in a constant state every day.
And maybe that's prepare me, but it's it really is that what you
just stated? When you slow down and you have
cannabis in your system, you get to see you and sometimes that's
really hard to see because you're like, I don't.
It's because we don't love ourselves.
No, you're 100% No 100. Percent and it's it's
understanding who you are to love yourself right on that's
the. Deepest level they take seeing
the real you. That's that's why I keep saying
that's why I'm so evangelical about about 12 shapes because it
it finally, it was that part. But the craziest thing is that
cannabis has been this nucleus of being able to connect me to
those people because Brandon knew for unknown reasons why he
even gave it to me. He's like, hey, have you ever
thought about this? I'm like, no, and he gets it for
me. And I'm like, hey, whatever, he
goes, don't even worry about it, it's yours.
And it was the greatest blessing.
So long I don't even remember. I remember it was just it was
1/2 gram cart. What it was going on in your
life or like if you just. Just it was just supposed to be
man, because we became good friends, you know, after his
divorce, we became closer and I used to be good friends with his
brother. That makes a lot of sense, yeah.
Because, you know, after his divorce, because he had a lot of
judgement coming from the family.
But I don't judge, you know, there were certain type of
people that I was really judge mental in and it's not their
skin color. So we'll get into that in
another episode, but. Oh.
No. It really is, man.
It was like this great time. It was supposed to come into my
life and it changed me. And all the stuff you're talking
about, like hiding it from your wife and all that and trying to
make sure your kids don't recognize it because it's this
thing. It's supposed to be bad.
But you know, it's, if you put it in a biblical sense, it's
almost why Eve had to eat from the fruit, the forbidden fruit.
Yeah. Because so it's something there.
So this is, I mean, this is actually part of the story.
That was the part when I found that, like I found the the
scriptures and I had the teachings by Gordon B Hinckley.
OK, my night that I prepared because I've prepared that time
for me. Kids are in bed, everything's in
check. Dishes are done, laundry's done.
The freaking the the the clothes are set out for them to get
ready in the morning because these are all prep things that
I've got to do to get my butt in time to work.
There's nobody else Co parenting like I'm having to learn these
lessons, right? Being the dad, being the
caregiver, being trying to do all those things and I'm not
trying to tote my thing. No, no.
You mean you got a single dad over to it?
Too. I'm sorry, I've just.
No, no, just. To keep just to keep things and
I and so there's that part where I have to come in and go, OK, I
went down and I sat down and I like, I, I'd opened up the
scriptures guys. Like I opened up the scriptures
and I and I had this little concept in my thing of like when
I do, it's going to be exactly what I'm supposed to read.
Like I already had that much insight of what I was supposed
to do. Yeah.
So I set it down next to the bong.
OK, It was a 2 footer. Nice.
Loaded her up right and I just did you have a name what's that
at this point I didn't she did this was this was one that.
Yeah, I don't name my phone. This is only the one that the
ex-wife didn't take. Yeah.
So should just be named after her.
OK, we could probably do that. I I remember breaking it.
I do remember. Breaking it.
Well, there you go. That's probably why.
Yeah, it was. It was.
Cathartic, but it it did exactly what it needed to do at the
time. OK, right.
So I put teachings by Gordon B Hinckley over here on this side
of it and I put the whole quad over here on this side.
OK, And then partake, OK. And then I opened up the book
and I ended up in Genesis and ended up and started reading.
And as I started reading about the forbidden fruit, it was told
to me that that, that what you have right there is the
forbidden fruit, OK, the fruit of knowledge of good and evil,
the virtue and vice of everything that is there.
And I literally sat in it going like, no way.
Like this is really weird, right?
Like, whoa. And I'm just in this dimension
that is like, holy cow, right? Well, I come out of this, right?
And that's where, like, I got to get my kids to church.
I've got to get like all of these things.
Got it. Like, I've got to make this
happen. The next Sunday, we're at the
Valley Assembly of God Church, OK, in West Valley on 45th
South, OK. We've gone over the Bible.
Baptist Church, Pastor Warnicki was his name.
OK? I went to school with his son,
private school. So I knew like, kind of where I
was going, but it just didn't fit.
They tried to stick me in a corner in there and say, hey,
these are all the people that aren't.
They used to be Mormons, right? I didn't know I wanted to be a
Mormon yet all the way, right. But.
Yeah, yeah, but you were looking for a fit.
Looking for a fit. I went in through a similar
journey. Right.
And so the Valley Assembly of God Church on the other corner
that we went to the next week they came doing cartwheels down
the point and the boys are looking at me like that.
This is not the place like it's not the place right.
So I literally like we we go back to the house and I've got
another week to think about it, right?
Had my own little sash, whatever, doing my journey,
right. And I finally said, I've got to
get you guys some new clothes, like to go to this, like to take
you guys to this church because I really had to come to Jesus.
And I'm like, where am I from? Why am I here?
Like, why am I in West Valley City at this point?
And when you ask yourself that, and then you say yourself like,
well, I'm a fresh neck. And then you ask yourself, well,
where did that come from? Why, Why?
You know, I'm really searching for these things.
And then you're like, why, why, why, why?
And I'm like finding the answers.
You know, it was like, OK, this is the church you got to go to,
right? I'm just thinking it's just what
it was. And I literally like like, like
had this, this paradigm where, OK, we got to go get the
clothes. And so we had a ADI because I'm
just at the time just kind of scrimping and doing the best
that I can to keep things floating.
And I go over and we got him an outfit.
We got everything. We got everybody ready.
I can't express to you this day when we finally showed up to the
Jordan N 4th Ward, OK, because it was a journey getting there.
But when we showed up, I walked through the door and as I walked
through the freaking door, guys, like this is totally like this.
I mean, and I'm on cannabis, I'm smoking weed, guys.
I'm smoking weed like before I go to you're like.
No, no, no. I mean, everybody should know
right now. And if you're in my ward and you
listen to this every Sunday, if you see me there.
He's high. I'm high, yeah.
That's why I'm so great conversations.
I'm I'm really like coming. This is good stuff to get out.
Good. So you know, I I used to hide
behind the house and I would get a a toilet paper roll.
Oh, OK. And you'd put dryer sheets,
dryer sheets in there. Yeah, you're.
Making your own smoke. Buddy, smoke buddy, Right,
you're doing it. Yeah, yeah.
So I'm doing that out in the backyard and I'm just like, and
then I'd find that like oranges were really good with the citrus
could take sorry, take the cannabis smell off real good.
So I've got my whole routine I'm right.
And I'm even cooking stuff in the in the back, making my own
pills out of butter, butter pills, so I could have, you
know, butter peels during the day while I'm having it.
So I'm, I'm doing this on the other kids.
Like they can't smell it, right? Yeah.
But anyway, we roll into church. And so I'm on a good high
vibrational level. We roll in, but it was exactly
where I was supposed to be. I mean, you're just like, oh,
like, like freaking do they open the pillar gates?
Like with the doors open? I was like.
Oh. Like holy shit, I made it like
I've been going this whole time. This is like like I was like
hitting it relatives like hands or whatever.
Like we did this, my boys, they folded their arms, they walked
down the hall, they sat down in those pews and it was like they
were exactly where they were supposed to be.
And I'm like, visually watching this crap, right?
I'm seeing and I'm able to go, OK, Well, you know, like I've
hit everything. It's all I'm it's all hidden and
I'm here. But guess what?
I showed up and I showed up the next week and I showed up the
next week. And the thing was is this weird
paradigms, I end up meeting the Bishop.
I finally decide it's time to quit selling cannabis.
OK? Because in that vision I had, it
was kind of like, if anything happened to me right now in
life, who would be there for my kids?
And here you're selling a illegal substance, right?
Like, that's probably not the best thing, but it's what my dad
taught me how to do. Or I mean, it was one of the
hundreds of 1000 things he taught me, OK.
But you knew it. But I knew it.
It was just familiar. It was valuable.
And I was doing it better than he was, than he did when in my
own world. You were helping people, but as
helping it's. Medicating it was.
Yeah, it wasn't it.
That's how I saw it, and I always did because even my mom,
I mean, there were just things that I looked at it differently,
right? But the world didn't.
But that was that part where I had to break because I was going
into a whole new religious world, right, that I always
wanted to play in like I always like I always wanted to be a
Mormon, you know, like I'd I'd I'd like I was the kid that
would sit there in Jones that and what would it be like to
have family home evening. You know what I mean?
Like what would it be like to be able to have a mom and dad that
freaking, you know, like sat down and even made me do
homework. Man if I like if I would have
had a parent that even gave half a rat's ass about me doing my
homework and they always told me it was my fault.
Right know I was freaking had ADHD and like I was had some
weird shit but you guys didn't care enough to freaking and I
love my parents don't get me wrong.
Like no, no, I mean. Right, but that's just it's a
reality and they turned me, got me to this point.
So we're good, right? Like I've forgiven them,
forgiven them, but I was the guy doing the opposite of all these
Mormons that were hating it. I'm the kid going I want more
like like give me a family that I can.
So so I wanted it. I wanted it for my kids, right?
So I'm on this little journey. The the Bishop calls me into it.
All right, I got an appointment with the Bishop.
We go into his office and we sit.
I sit down and I'm just fully loaded, just ready just to
unleash my whole freaking life. Like I got all this stuff.
And the poor guy comes in and he sits on his brother.
Downey was the guy that was in the room and I didn't I didn't
know who the Bishop was, you guys.
Like I really didn't know to put the name.
I was just showing up. Yeah, I freaking sit down in the
seat and I just freaking. He didn't have the.
We shook hands. He sits down and I just
unloaded. Dude.
I didn't give the guy the time of day.
I'm just like, I did this and this and this and blah, blah,
blah. And I like dude, dude, I sold
weed and I'm just unleash and everything and the poor guy sits
there and I mean, I was probably 20-30 minutes that I'm just
because I didn't know any different.
I'm just like. You just had.
It I've got all this Guild in me, dude.
Like, let me let it out. I mean, this is what you're
supposed to do, right? I don't know.
Like passing to my priest. Passing to my priest or
whatever, I'm just letting it out there, right?
And this poor guy looks at me and he's.
Like do 7 hallelujahs. Yeah, well, I.
Didn't know what to expect all the way.
I mean, you know, I passed sacrament, you know, as a kid,
but like from 14 to the to where I'm to 24 at this time in life,
like I'm not. In that realm.
Nothing. Not even the close, right?
So I don't know. But I'm sitting there and I'm
like, OK, well, I lay it all out on this guy and the poor guy
gets up and he says, Brother Frischnick, like, I'm really,
really sorry to, to tell you this, but I'm just the first
counsellor. And I'm like, holy shit, like I
got to do this over again, right?
I mean, I don't know, I'm just, I'm just learning.
Like I'm just learning, right? So this little process kind of
rolls us into, you know, I finally meet the real Bishop.
But this brother Downey, like him and I became best buddies.
Like he like came to a bunch of stuff and like that we we could
see each other on a level that I didn't feel like I was being
guilted or shamed or. You felt seen.
I felt seen. I felt like, you know, it was
whatever and it was a good experience, right?
Yeah. So when it rolls back into the
point where where where the Bishop finally meet him, he
comes in and offers some assistance.
OK, because I quit the weed business.
OK, money's not coming in. Got a little bit of savings, but
not enough to to sustain right. And I just gotten laid off from
my daytime job. I was a maintenance, maintenance
manager at a composites manufacturing place.
And I quit my date, my, my, I got laid off from my day job.
And so I had to sit in this thing of what am I going to
freaking do now? Like what?
Whatever. Like, I had to be humbled,
right? So I go to the Bishop.
Here's this whole situation this man like this offers me like,
you know, the world, let me get you a food order.
I'm like, OK, what's a food order, you know?
And he starts filling it out and I'm like, OK, cool.
And he's like, let me help you with, you know, what else do the
kids need? And I'm like, well, I've got him
on the floor right now. We're just because my their mom
would come and take in all their stuff and we made a nice little
cozy bed, you know. But the guys like then here I'm
writing this order for you. You take this down to DI and
then they for beds for my boys and like all this stuff.
And I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm not like I've got this pride thing
going on where? It's hard to accept I.
Can't ask family. I can't like it's just the realm
that I'm not in. It's just like, but what do I
do? Like I don't even have support
of a wife. I'm doing this by myself, like,
you know, and, and, and that's the thing of like, here's this
guy just OK, we're doing this. And so I'm like sweet, like, how
can I help you? Like how can I serve?
How can I whatever. And and like 3 weeks later I'm
called as a scout master, right? Which was probably one of the
most craziest experiences of my whole life.
How long were you a scout master?
For dude, like until my boys got older, you know, that's kind of
my calling. But my dad did that.
This is that growing up and that's that piss, but that.
But do you have memories? Were you a scout?
Oh yeah, all of my brothers were all Eagle Scouts.
We went on every camp out, we did everything like, yeah, well,
I loved it though. My father was an Eagle Scout,
right? And so it was kind of that
thing. My dad wasn't, his dad was, but
my dad had done like, so he'd gotten his Eagle project
approved. He did his project, he did his
paperwork and then submitted it and they turned it down after
and we're like, that's not going to count.
And he was basically almost 18 and he was like, well, I'm done.
I don't care then. But then he was scout master for
like 15 years. Well.
But see that? See, I was.
All of his boys were Eagle Scouts.
I was, I was a life scout and the same thing right to the end.
And so it was something like, and so my oldest son getting his
Eagle Scout, I felt was like I got mine.
I mean, we did. But it's like this was my final
like, thing to say, Hey, we we conquered this one, right?
Yeah, but that little paradigm of, of thing and me having to
humble myself cause here I've got a food order, guys.
Like it's like real. And he said to me, all you got
to do is take that to the release society president's
house and and she'll sign it. And he gave me your address, you
know, and whatever. And I'm like, cool.
But that pride set in, guys. And like I sit sat on my counter
for almost two weeks, right? And I'm just sitting there like,
OK, there's nothing. And then Logie, little little
Logie, he opens up the, the fridge door and he's like da,
because he had a kind of like his speech and pet him at the
time. It's like, da, there's no food.
There's a little bit of milk. And I had to go, like I had to
make that journey to get that food order signed.
And it was real. Now, the bank account was not
like I I pushed it all like I was trying so hard to find a job
and I picked it up and I took that paper.
I went over to her house and freaking got out of my truck and
I knocked on the door. One of the most humblest ladies
on the planet, like comes to the door.
We never really quite met all the way.
She opens up the door and she invites me into her home and we
sit down and we're talking. Brother fresh neck.
Tell me I want to know everything.
How can I help you? Do I need to come over and clean
your house? Do you need people to help watch
your kids? Like, what do you need?
I'm like, I don't, I don't know. I don't know how to accept
charity. I don't know how to, I don't
know. It was, it was my freaking
fridge happened to be bare before I could come here today.
And I sat and like just had to go for the ride.
And you're just like, humble your ass, Jeremy.
Like just humble. Your shit bro like.
There's no turn in any way right now.
It wasn't. We're sitting there and she says
we're talking and her husband come in, old brother Bowen, and
you want a piece of candy. He always trying to give you
candy, and they were the old candies, you know.
Yeah, been zipping there for months or years.
Grandma, Grandpa, Grandpa. Grandpa's candy, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's always like three different
times and I'm just like, dude, I'll take a strawberry one,
right? Like they were always OK.
Right, that's the safest 1. That's the safest one in the
bowl. Always.
Wait, wait. So Brandon and I, we my, my
wife's, his cousin and, and so grandma, grandpa, grandpa Ivan,
he passed just not too long ago and he lived up till 93 and he
was a great guy. But that, that was the funniest
shit he would do whenever he would come by when, when he was
still able to drive, OK, he would, he would go drive to your
house randomly. You would just show up, and he
would always bring the oldest candy in existence.
But then he would bring like, they were like, Ed Rocks.
Yeah. Ed Rocks, Literally.
Rocks counter for like his whole life grew up.
Here, so he's always. Giving you rocks.
And and it was so funny because he would bring like, what are
they called? Why can't I think of it right
now? This is really good strain by
the way, those gummy candies. What are they beehive?
Fruit. Fruit.
The fruit, gum the fruit. Oh.
Wow, you know what I'm talking about?
Fruit snacks, Yeah. The flavored package, yeah.
They were so hard. And you look at what it expired
and they're like five years old. And he brings over this big bag
and all I could say to him was thank you so much.
And he goes, yeah, you know, it's at my house and there's
like 1/2 package of Oreos who know, God knows how long that's
been there. And it's like the kids are all
this is all stale. Like my youngest.
He goes and I'm like, it's good. Right.
Because he's trying to do something.
And I mean time, when you get older, time goes faster.
So you, you, you cherish it more, right?
Right. When you're younger, it's going
so slow. But, but, but The thing is, is
we just got to experience it. We got to experience the old man
with the candy right now. We got to live that experience
right now because of an old. I'm an old person, right?
Just kind of, yeah. I mean, I mean, like, and it's
old candy. It's from the old days.
I'd be accepted. It might be a 50s candy, but you
know, like, yeah. We were expected.
We were little, little kids. We're like, Oh yeah.
Candy. Oh my gosh, this is better.
Sweet. You know, I felt like, I felt
like it's never give me this. Yeah.
It's like those guys who go out to like Africa, OK, And they got
those like tribesmen and they're giving them Twizzlers and stuff.
I do not like this very much. But.
It is like this. Is too sweet, too sweet, but
it's. No, it's exactly that.
I know, I, I, I was really resonating with you because man,
I, I had to do that not too long ago, actually very recent.
And I know what you're feeling. You know, I've I've had to do
that several times with my family and had to go there and
fill up that food order. And then you show up and you
have this sense of just disappointment and that you're a
failure and that will kind of father you to get to this point.
You don't even deserve this. And that's just a lot of
bullshit in your head because honestly, dude, like, you know
where, where I really got spirits.
It was really not too long ago, like I became Brandon knows,
because then I started getting a little bit more into it.
And it was this book I heard on a podcast.
It's called imagine the God of heaven.
And I was like, oh, what is this?
So like, I'm, I'm, I'm not big into the religious books.
I'm not going to read any of this stuff because it's all one
sided. And I was like, no, there's a
guy who was investigating near death experiences and all these
stories of what they saw, what they came back from.
And it was all different cultures all over the world.
And the only thing I got from it was that every single time one
of these people went over there, whether you believe in God or
not, whether you believe in Christ or not, it doesn't
matter. But for those that do they, they
want to be a part, they get this affirmation, they get this, that
understanding that it's real, right.
And so once I understood that, you know, the love that I, I
should be sharing is the love that we should understand what
we're getting out of it. This is my understanding, of
course. And my understanding is, is that
God, Jesus, whatever you believe, but I believe in, and
then that and that they love me no matter what, literally.
But the way that I was taught and then the way the Brandon
experienced a lot of the LDS church was in a very negative
light. And God was this judge mental
asshole, yeah, who sat in the sky and looked down on every
little sin that you did, every little mistake of being a human
and. Yeah, it was really hard to be
he was, I mean, his, his parents are great people.
They are, they're really great people.
And, and our family members that we shared, they're all really
great people. Devout, many of them are.
But at the same time, it, it was just, it's keeping up with the
Joneses. It's like the, the assholes I
would go golfing with when I was in the IT world and they would
make a putt and they go, that's why I pay 12%.
And I'm like, wow, that's not even funny to me.
Like, you know, it's, that's offering to help other people.
That's, that's what I finally came to understand.
That's what it's for. It's to help other people.
And if it doesn't go to it, then you're in the wrong place.
But what I got from that book and, and recently I had to fill
out another food order. And when I when I got that book
after that one, I was so excited to go there because it was so
excited to tell this person who has dedicated months of their
life to just be there every day and just serve people.
And they're like, and I and I wanted to thank about my Hey,
thanks for being here. I'm so glad you're here.
And I say that to everybody now, like anybody that I've been
doing it for a while, but now I make it a very strong point if
I'm at Wendy's and that girl looks pretty pissed off.
We just took my card, which I rarely visit now, but I used to
right. But when I did, like, I was
like, Hey, thank you so much for being here today.
And they're like this girl, literally she goes is a fucking
hamburger. And I'm like, Yep, but it was
magical because you gave it to me.
Have a great day. And I drive off because I want
them to know that that that's how I see my God as a person
that that loves me no matter what fucked up thing I do.
My life is not a stain, right? And no matter what I've done, I
can't. I mean, I don't even.
Care. You're not trying to wash out a
stain? Yeah.
Exactly. You don't have sin doesn't make
you dirty. Yeah, it's just you.
It's. Just you, and that's why I, you
know, when I, I just feel like a lot of, a lot of Christians in
general and a lot of LDS people, they just had this thing like,
well, I'm doing all the right things, but they're not
listening. No, they're check.
Yeah, they're checking the box. Just check the box.
They're they're, they're not getting totally into who they
are. They don't know.
I mean, the programs being ran is like you don't know who you
are. You're because you've been LED.
This is what you have to do. But when it's in that dark time
when they're laying down in bed, that husband and he rolls over
and he's reflecting on all this shit that he is dealing with,
but he can't look like that, right?
He's got to do all that stuff. Well, I'm like, I, I want to get
back to like that, that point of, of what you're saying of
being true to yourself, because there's, you know, there was a
point in, in that journey of when you are just showing up,
right? And you don't know, when you ask
yourself, why am I here? You know, why am I here, right?
You know what I mean? And you're, you are depressed,
but you are because what you're living is not all the way, you
know, telling the truth. Sorry, guys, I was smoking weed
and you didn't know it, like, right.
But if I, you would have known, you would have judged me.
Like I, I've been judged so much by that.
And I think that that's that thing of like where my world is
and like me to, to kind of, you know, discern the way I had to
discern to be righteous to myself.
Yeah, right. I had to put me first and say,
no, this is me. And then I can work on this and
then my community, right? And trying to serve my
community. You wanted me to go serve,
serve, serve. But guess what?
My whole internal shit is totally messed up.
But you're wanting me to serve, serve, serve.
I can't, I finally had to say I give up.
Like I can't do this. Like I've got to do me first.
And, and you know, and I had this complex of like wanting to
help, help, help. But The thing is like, no, we
got to do you first. You got to do you first and then
we do the then you can do, you know, you and your wife like
let's work on that one first before I can't go yet.
But but but but we're going and helping the neighbor down the
road move. But my shit like who, what?
My shit's out of check. Like I can't like I'm still
struggling here. But so it's like, wait a minute,
this to me. I I had to break out of that
very like this is just messed up.
Like I, I got to take care of me first and, and, and that's what
cannabis brought. 100%. But sitting at the point of
where Sister Bowen fills the food order out and finally signs
it right, And she says, Brother Frischnik, I'm going to go get
it for you. Wow.
And I'm like, no, and exactly what you spent.
I want to experience it myself, right?
If I'm going to go do this And then multiple times I went back
in life. And less shame.
Unless it but to be able to pay it, to try to pay it forward was
a beautiful thing too. Right to serve.
But in these places, yeah, yeah. Right to be able to serve and,
and, and and see that at at another level.
But the one thing, the one jam that I found in all of this,
right when we're hunting for rocks or hunting for things like
I'm a rock hound too. Sorry to say, I'm just.
Saying no, that's all I love. My rocks, dude, The jam, but the
jam. But the jam that I found in all
of this is when I was sitting there and this humbling comes
over and I've accepted the food order and this lady turns to me
and says I would like to introduce you to my
granddaughter. And I don't want anything to do
with women in this point in my life.
I'm like when my kids are freaking old enough.
I'll take care of me. I'll take care of me after that
when they're graduated from high school.
That was my, that was my, my thinking.
And I was like, I was, I mean, I was poker faced at that.
That wasn't going to freaking change.
When I walk out back to the truck with that food order and I
jump up in the truck and I'm like going to start it.
And I get that little thing that drinks me out of the truck,
pulls me up to the bore and sits me there and says, Sister Bone,
I'd love to meet your granddaughter, OK?
And I'm sitting there like, OK, I just went like Sister Bone.
I don't even got a job. Yeah.
I don't even have like. What do you mean you want to
like? Introduce me to your.
Grand, you know, like this is this is weird stuff right now or
whatever. Right, that's kind of funny.
Hey, I'd like to set you up for failure, so I'm going to
introduce you to my granddaughter and but but take
us there, man. OK, so.
I'm sitting in this situation, go back home, probably smoked
another bowl. OK because I got to sit and
figure this shit out. This is some weird shit.
Like I just agreed that I'm going to meet a woman when I
like, wrote it in a freaking contract for myself and signed
for my boys. That I'm not going to do.
This that I'm not going to do this right, Right.
So I come back and I sit in it and, you know, one of the books
I found along with those other two was a journal that I had
when I was in 9th grade living in enterprise.
And I journaled the whole experience in Enterprise, like
the whole freaking experience. And I was a hellion in
enterprise. If you got family members, they
will probably know Jeremy. Yeah.
Anyway, as I'm sitting there and I'm contemplating this choice
that I made that I would tell a lady this like this
overwhelming. Feelings that I can't explain
for a human came over me and I woke up that night and wrote in
the giant, the journal, that this was somebody special.
This was something, and I had feelings for this person before
I ever even met him. I was just that weird kind of
paradigm of something, right? And we planned the time to meet
and she called me and says, Hey, I want to invite you to our
family Christmas party. Right to me like blind date,
like we hadn't even, but I had done these little things because
I'm like, I don't know the freaking world.
I mean I. Don't.
Yeah, just follow it. King Louie?
I don't know. Yeah, yeah.
It was just. King Louie, talk to you.
Talking to me right there bro. Just go.
Just go dude. Just do it just.
Do it. Just show up and everything will
be doing. Well, King Louie do, man.
Yeah, like, you know, just follow it.
And so, you know, I do. I'd show up, walk through the
doors of this thing. I'm going to a family, like a
ward house even I'm going to a family Christmas, big ward, big
family. So I walk through the doors, I
can hear some giggling and a bunch of kids running around and
somebody yelled and this girl comes down.
I'm hearing this voice of like somebody that I know, you know,
I'm like, whoa, this is weird. And look over and it just
happened to be this girl named Shay that used to do a lot of
partying out of the sand dunes back in the day and writing.
I. Think everyone knows a woman
named Shay that parties at the sand dunes?
Right. Maybe.
So anyway, we start and I'm like, hey, like, you know how
you doing? Whatever.
I'd. We'd known each other.
Yeah. So just put all of these little
paradigms together. But Jade showed up.
That was her name. Jade.
She was my Jim. She was the rock I was looking
for. See.
And she showed up. That's crazy.
OK. And she walked through the door
and it was an embracing of this big hug.
And we kind of started from there and went on a date the
next night. And then I asked her to marry me
the night after that. Damn, what Mormon boys move
fast. Dude, they do that's.
Awesome, Can you believe that? Yes, totally.
And, and so all of a sudden, it kicked off this thing where we
blended two families. She had a son.
So I asked her to marry me on New Year's Day.
I even like stood out in front of the temple, like right by the
Joseph Smith Memorial and like did the whole thing.
Right. Did that whole thing, but we
only known each other a week, you know, So it's like, you
know, you had to go quick or whatever.
But along that journey, we ended up getting married about 90 days
later because, you know, like a couple of people that have
married and things, you know, it's hard to keep that.
But we wanted to be married in the temple.
Yeah. And so you can't sleep with them
before you get married. You can't sleep with them before
you get married because it's a sin.
Right within that marriage. Yeah.
And so, you know, Jeremy, I mean, we tried the best that we
could, and it just wasn't happening.
You know, it's hard to happen. Yeah.
So being two grown adults, right?
Right. Dude, you're saying all these
things that all I want to do is like, yeah, that's what she
said. That's what.
She said right grown adult. It was so hard.
So like I was trying my hardest, but along that, but along that
process, like obviously we didn't get the the marriage that
we set out to have, yeah. But the marriage that you
needed? But the marriage we needed, it
happened, right? Yeah.
And then a year later, we were able to be sealed in the temple.
We had two daughters. So we have mine yours and ours
I. Remember that movie?
Yeah, it was a good one. So that little part just kind of
leads, you know, I kind of had a little bit of a thing that I
never told her about the cannabis side of me at that
time. And I was still partaking along
the process like, you know, because I needed my medication
and I wasn't quite sure how I was going to function without
function. But we're married.
We're like all on, right. And things got a little bit, you
know, weird and crazy and she found out about the cannabis at
the time and I wasn't, you know, the right guy.
And we ended up separating for a few months, right.
But like anybody else would look at on this of like, what in the
heck? Of course, it's because you got
married so fast, all of these things, right?
But we held it all together. I mean, we held it together and
we, you know, like work through it all.
And I mean it, we struggled, we struggled.
We had a very, I mean, we had a minivan.
I mean I I was an entrepreneur my you know myself along the
journey still am right, just like me, but but.
I got both of us right now, fucker.
But The thing is, what that started was I got a wife and I
got a situation where I became a scout master and I was building
this little scout troop together that had four boys in it.
And three of the four about boys didn't have a dad.
We were in West Valley, so four of them didn't have a dad.
And so it kind of opened up this opportunity.
I wanted to instill those things that I learned about camping and
scouts and things and changed some lives and.
Oh, I like, I like this. This is so man, you know, I've
been laughing over here and pointing because I'm just like,
I'm, I'm just thinking of how crazy this is, Brandon.
There's a million synchronicities.
Even when he was mentioning his ward name.
I grew up in the Provo N 4th ward and like just so many
similarities just and shit that I'm like it's Oh my gosh.
What this is meant to be, man. I mean, you know, and and I'm
gonna, I'm not. What am I not doing, you guys?
It just it's filling up a lot. Because it's big, okay, yeah,
that's you're good, I'm good. I'm just yeah, a total okay.
It doesn't matter. True cannabis community, man,
nobody cares. Nobody cares if you came in
there brand new or you're super advanced.
Nobody's been like pussy or rookie.
Take the hitch. You want Take the hitch.
You need and. Yeah, and you know, it's always
open. I mean, you do, you're already a
part. I mean, you understand the
culture completely. But that's the one thing that
I've loved about cannabis is that it's the great uniter.
And if you just slow down, you can see that.
But. Take us back through it now
because you, you're, I'm guessing you're with your wife
still. So.
So, yeah, so we went ahead and honestly, I, I, you know, I back
that up, Scout Master real quick.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Four boys, four boys.
We wanted to get our camping award, right.
And so if you camped every month of the year, like, and so I for
a, a guy or like, we're going to do this 'cause these boys don't
have dads. And if we can get out every
month with these boys, it'll be that.
Would be. Great and experience and.
Impact their lives. Impact their lives.
And, you know, I took on the calling.
Jeremy's got a tattoo. Oh, sorry.
Jeremy's got a tattoo. OK along the way.
And my first little like little experience with that was, you
know, I'd taken the boys. I told you it was three and a
four. The fourth boy come from an
active family and stuff. And you know, here I'm being the
scout master, taking him out. And the first time that I had
this experience was the boy had gone home and told his mom that
I had a tattoo. OK.
I got one of those too. And so then the mom.
So then the mom goes and tells ask the well, ask the Bishop.
OK, this was the weird. But to think if she felt that I
was the right guy. OK, yeah.
To be. To be.
Teaching your kids. Scout master or whatever because
of the tattoo. And it really was this humbling
thing of me of like, oh gosh, I got to like re evaluate and it
was kind of eye opening for young Jeremy and the ward that
there were people that were actually, you know, like that
because when my story, I mean, I was put on kind of a pedestal.
I mean, they put you on this, you know, this kind of a thing
where you feel good and it's amazing feeling, right.
I mean, we are we're getting into the roots, we're finding
Christ, we're finding this vibration of just this
resonates. I mean, you know what I mean?
And then you're like, when you just put on the thing that it
like all it's touted up to be, right?
And that's that part where you're like, OK, this is this is
this is me being me, right? But I got to be real with it,
right? And I really had to sit in that.
And it was like, no, it's for the kids.
And I learned to let it fall off of me, right?
And we just kept on hunkering down and just kind of just doing
it right, because I knew that the boys, it wasn't the, the IT
wasn't the parent. It was, you know, because I, I'd
seen the boy, like I knew who he was.
He was just making an observation of like, Hey, my dad
don't have one. I mean, like too many people
running around in his family that have them, right?
Or even the community or even the community, right.
So that's that part of like, OK, well, this is, this is OK.
So I, I, I got to experience it first hand right through the
gates. It didn't stop me, right?
I still kept it, kept it going, but I wanted to get us a little
camping trailer that we could put all of our gear in.
So we just roll up to it and we roll out of there.
I was driving down Redwood Road and I'm sitting there and all of
a sudden this guy is pulling this trailer out to the out to
the edge of Redwood Road way, NN Redwood.
And I just freaking pull off the side of the road.
That's got to be my trailer. I mean, I'm looking at it,
right? This is this is it.
I roll back around. It needs work, man.
It, it needs to be painted. It needs a floor put in it.
It needs freaking lights put on it.
It needs all of these. I mean, it needs every.
I'm like, perfect. This is a project for Wednesday
night. We're gonna freaking teach them
some crap. Bartered with the guy.
We get it for 200 bucks. I feel like I'm in heaven.
And we, I roll out of there, I'm just stoked.
Like, this is going to be the best thing ever, right?
Oh, yeah. We get at home, we get the kids,
we learn how to paint, we learn how to wire the trailer.
You know what we're doing? All because it's stuff my dad
taught me, right? So you just want to, and then
we're going to use it. It's we use the heck out of that
trailer. I mean, we, we literally did and
it kind of got to this point where the next fall would come
around and I was like, you know what, I don't want to park it in
my yard this this last year. I just don't want to store it.
And so I'm just going to sell it because that's just Jeremy, like
everything just repurposes or whatever.
And I thought another one will come and we'll do this again
next year with the new scouts, right?
And we'll have our own trailer that we just do.
This was the vision. So back in the day we had the
KSL, we didn't have KSL classifieds.
We had the Thrifty Nickel and we had the the Thrifty the Thrifty
want ads. Yeah, you get over there like
like in front of Albertson's, like when you're going out the
checkout line. All those little, yeah, those
little things and everything. So it's like, like it was cheap
advertising, you know, like for cheap you could run a weekend ad
for, you know, like 5 bucks or whatever.
So it was kind of cool, right? So I decide, well, I'm just
going to throw it in there and see what happens.
And I'd had 160 phone calls on the one trailer.
Jeez, OK. And I had the first person that
came bought it. And so this was like, holy cow.
Like if I would have had this piece of junk 160 times, I could
have sold it. I got to do something here.
Like something's like, how can I?
My father owned a welding and fabrication business, right?
But him and I were too much alike and didn't see eye to eye.
And so it was kind of like, hey, I finally was humbled and like,
hey, can I come try to make a trailer?
Yeah. Can I come try to do this?
Like we, we let me do it. We teach me how to do it.
Like just we're going to have a father, some project.
Yeah, we're not going to throw the.
Ball, but we're going to Weld. Right.
We're going to sit here and this is.
That's what we're. Going to do right?
Yeah. So Jeremy goes, gets all the
materials, you know, it all comes up.
It was 200 bucks, like for all the materials to build it.
OK, wow. I go to his house.
I, I cut it all up and the one it was 400 bucks and I, you
know, I bought it for 200, sold it for for that concept, right.
So can I make this for 200 bucks?
I don't know if my dad teaches me, you know, yeah, gosh, it
took 2 1/2 weeks to build the first one.
And I mean, I was because he was wanting to teach me his way,
right? He was driving me freaking
bonkers because like, yeah, this.
Is easy math. Let's get this.
Shit going. I got to sell this shit, like,
what the hell. But my dad's trying to be the
mentor, teach me a lesson, and I had to go through all his
hurdles and hoops, right? So as this time comes and we
explode, and I'm like, to hell with you, and I've got enough
money to buy my own damn welder, Yeah.
All right, I'm going to go build this trailer in my freaking
garage. I just saw you pop off like
that. I was, I was imagining like a
like a little kid, like I'll show you.
Well, in a way. Survive on my own.
Well, in a way, I was probably listening to Snoop Dogg and I
was like. OK, Yeah, he was.
Probably more gangster at that time.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean there was some.
There was. I have a real question.
Did you think you were black at 1:00 one point in your life?
I did. Oh my God.
That's so funny. Sort of branded.
That's so nuts. I was in a gang.
I mean, like they, they, they
called me J Ball, the white boy with the letterman's jacket.
That's. Hilarious.
That's hilarious dude. That's.
That's really funny, man. Crazy.
Like, really? Funny.
It's supposed to happen. Yeah, well, it's supposed to
happen. I'm just saying.
I mean, Snoop still is dear to my heart.
We're going to give him a putter, too.
We're going to throw that out there.
Oh, real quick, we need to talk about that.
Oh, that's I figured that would come into play when we finished
how the story of how you met. OK, I'm.
Just gonna you guys can see. That all right.
And this, yeah, and the. Key, we'll get all of this.
We'll get to hear all about this.
Anyways. Continue.
Where were we though?
Depends on where we're jumping. We were.
Where do you want to hear from? Because we had a couple.
Of what we were talking about the tattoo.
Tattoo bringing that back around.
Yeah, the kids and the kids saw the trailer trailer.
So you're building that out. I've.
Learned that stuff, now I'm at my own garage.
Right, because you don't need him anymore.
Don't need him anymore. I've totally obsoleted that.
Burned the bridge. I mean, I was peeling out
probably when I left. Probably literally Jerry
Springer stuff. Probably.
Just kidding. Dude, that's funny you brought
that up. No, just kidding, just kidding.
Anyway, so as this little journey goes on, I started
manufacturing these little trailers in the garage of my
house. The first one took 16 hours, but
I just had to figure out how to make them faster because I knew
I could sell them for $400.00. So I was able to get the concept
all the way down and I could build them in 2 1/2 hours.
So I was paying myself 75 bucks an hour in a part time job in
the garage of my house after work.
Yeah, and I would put the ad in and sell four of them every
weekend because I could do one every night when I came home.
That's fantastic. Though my son got old enough he
was cutting the material when he got home from school because we
had a cut list, right? So we were oh, that's beautiful,
doing this little. Process.
I mean these parts just kept these.
But was it we were making the same one?
Yep, right. Was just like boom boom boom
boom. Boom, it's just.
It's just. Common, right?
That's beautiful. So we're sitting there and this
little concept is happening and we're building trailers and
everybody's coming and saying like hey, could you do this to
it or could you do that? And I'm like, OK, so this is
where the trailer guy was born. Cool.
You sent an e-mail to the trailer guy at.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right so this is where the
trailer guy was born. So all from me being in a scout
master given a little love turned into this little side
hustle I had going. OK, well then the side hustle
ended up turning into US moving to Tooele County, Utah.
OK, I went kicking and streaming.
Never thought in the world that I would ever be a twillabilly
and live there and whatever else.
And I'm not saying that like. Twillabilly.
Dude, that's the first for me
that I grew up in here. That's awesome.
Twillabilly. OK, I love that.
Perfect. If anybody listening, I didn't
mean that in a bad way. No, no, I mean, but during that
time, but during. The time and the period and,
and, and my wife and I when we were deciding to move out, there
was literally like, let's go to the Walmart and like just check
it out and see how it is because you're not.
Quite at Walmart there. That's cool, but it was where do
you find a house for the cheapest?
And this particular house we found like had a six car garage
in it and I'm working and produce some serious trailers
out of there, right? It's a lot of work, babe.
We're moving. We're moving, right?
So we move out there. I'm still working a job at the
time at the Dannon Yogurt Factory.
I know you're talking. About RAM packaging.
So I'm driving around the mountain every day, right?
That's why I've got a lot of headspace, a lot of time.
Yeah, I'm not cannabis at this time.
I'm just so often and just keeping life going and different
things and and so this is kind of happening and and you know,
it's just it's it was a good time of our life.
I I started this good side hustle.
We were doing good. Ended up with a, a gentleman in
in my ward out there right that end up saying, Hey, you're a
trailer guy, you're building trailers like our, our company
is, is hiring for somebody out at Dugway proving grounds for
ITT advanced engineering and sciences for mechanical
engineer. Would you like to, would you
like to come and fill the role? And I'm like, what, like, how's
that possible? I don't know, like we need
somebody that knows how to build trailers.
I'm like, I've been doing out of the garage of my house and now
we're already going to freaking this level or whatever.
Like sweet. OK, so I ended up saying sure,
I'll fill out an application and got the job and ended up
designing like these trailers for the Department of Defense to
build biochem systems for detecting, you know, different
stuff. So that's crazy.
I spent three years doing that was in Alexandria, VA, like kind
of that's doing lob hobbing and doing all that good stuff, just
spending buckets of money. But it started where the trailer
business came. And when that contract came to
an end, I was not able to, they got rid of the program and so I
wasn't hired on for another program, but I took that
contract that we had and was able to get another contract.
And so we started making these systems and then when that all
went went bad, we kind of rolled into oil, filled in gas.
My brother showed up needing a trailer to go to North Dakota to
haul frack water. And craziest thing ever happened
again just to all these stories. But I became the trailer guy and
spent the next 10 years building trailers and did a bunch of
cryogenic tanks and things for. Yeah, that's right, cryogenic.
Tanks. Which is crazy.
Where is that used? Well, that's for LNG, liquid
natural gas. So it was a kind of a period in,
in kind of during Mitt Romney's little run of things where we
were doing clean energy and trying to transfer everything to
LNG. And so I was instrumental with
some tankers because there was Chart Industries was the only
company in the US that made them at the time.
And I'd partnered up with a company out of China called
CINCIN Rick, and they were the world's largest.
But we were there, US dealer, we were sold.
So it was their dealer supplier. Yeah, we were dealer a bunch of
times. Yeah, it's a lots of dealing.
Yeah, lots of dealing. Baby, that's all we're doing is
always just Wheeling and dealing.
So so anyway, so so so that little thing, the humble
beginnings of a trailer company did end up in a a very a very
good sized organization building.
My biggest trophy I, I call trailers as my trophies was a
propane transport trailer. There's only three manufacturers
in the United States. And Jeremy decided he wanted to
be #4 And so we, we did it all the way down to just burning it
down. It just, I had one little piece
of metal in the tanks that were, that were bad.
And it just, all just opened a new chapter of life.
And so the trailer guy just kind of that big scale, just kind of
just got to figure your life out after that.
What do you do now? I'm a greens keeper at a golf
course in Salt Lake City, UT. I mow the greens and make sure
the grass stays growing perfectly.
Sounds like a really chill life. It's not too bad.
It's not too bad at all. It just kind of take it easy.
I just, you know, help out humans.
That's just all I do. It's helping humans.
Just doing it everyday. Just seeing that dovetails
really good to finishing what I had started earlier, how we met.
He came to help us with the tire and we got the tire replaced at
a place that he told us to go. It's like out of the 1990s small
place. I was so happy that we got that.
You recommended it because they really appreciate the business
and there's these two young kids and they straight up, they've
got oil marks on their face and it's all over their arms and
their hands. And it, it was cool to see
because they don't see that with youth a lot where they're going
to be doing hard work and it's hot as balls in this little
place. And they're like, oh, we have a
waiting room and you go in this waiting room and it's a small
waiting room and it is so cold in there and there is tons of
drinks. Like you see the other one.
You're like, this thing is you that the waiting room is going
to be awful. Like there's going to be a smell
in there. I know it, right?
That's that's what you would think.
But then when you go around the corner and they're, it was just
nice. I think they care so much about
taking care of the customer. It's the newer generation that
younger one's really about people.
Yeah, they and they are. No, they really are.
And that's, you know, and I get to see it everyday because I, I
do hire, you know, college kids, you know, a lot of times coming
in. And so you do get a, a bunch of
personalities. You do get, you know, younger
ones coming from the, you know, I've been employing a couple of
swimmers from the University of Utah swim team, right?
And trying to get into, you know, helping them out, like
doing things and just seeing this life.
But these, they are so full of, you know, they want to help.
They really do. It's you know, and it's an
awesome change, but when you see this, I was just like, wow, this
is so cool. And Kim and I were just, you
know, we're like, oh, this is great.
And then we get back and we're putting the tire back on and
it's a pain in the ass. Fuck cheap.
And so when we're doing it, I was screwing on the the bolt
and, and we're talking we're and he's tightening them up over
here with his drill and the thing just keeps getting stuck
on the bit so that it was so bad you.
Have to like hammer him off and. And it's hot.
I mean, I, I'm, I'm, I mean, when you're sitting here, you
know, you're like, OK, I've, I've signed up to do this.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it was no.
Because he's even signed up too. So like, and it's like you, you
can't turn back. When I saw him walking down,
like, I see this. I'm like, OK, who's this guy?
You know, I'm like, OK, this is cool.
And he calls it, hey, do you have a 15 or a 14mm socket?
He knew, he knew what he wanted, right?
You hear you go, go try him. And it came over me that
briefing of like, why are you, you already know that the car,
because my daughter's back. I, I, so I literally was like,
just grab the Jack and throw it in the thing and just go out
there and like, it's only going to take a minute, right?
But those lug nuts. And here's the thing, when they
got back with it and I was sitting there and I'm like, I
don't want to put those freaking lug nuts back on.
Like I didn't want to try to tighten them on, right?
And, and, and, and Kim came to find me just like, hey, we're
trying to, she's looking all over and I finally come out of
the office. OK, let me come help you.
You know, and I was dreading putting those freaking lug nuts
on just to get them started. I'm telling you, like when
you're given service like that and like you show up and like
the guy that's there has already got him back on.
And I'm sitting there going like, dude, this this guy's kind
of cool. Like he freaking like put those
lug nuts on, right? And like you take it from.
There, so we're putting on, but Kim and I are talking so 12
shapes again. I mean, I met Kim and and I'll
and I'll, I'll rewind to really be able to, to be able to kind
of deliver that impact because of what it was crazy was Kim and
I are talking about the business of of 12 shapes.
She's grown up for so long. She's been doing this for 25
years. She has people that have gone
through her program 20 years ago and say I still use it to this
day. My marriage is awesome.
My relationship with my kids is awesome.
My relationship with me is awesome.
It's so cool. And so we are talking and and
we're going to grow this even bigger and get more people what
I'm experiencing. Look, we need the whole world to
that. And we're talking about 12
shapes all morning. And I and she says something
about 12 shapes and Jeremy's like, you guys know about 12
shapes and we're both like, how do you know about 12 shapes?
He's like, well, this guy on this podcast.
The very morning, the very morning, like I'm out mowing
greens because I mow the greens, the greens every day, right?
It's part of my meditation. Yeah, right.
So I put on the set. It was a new, it was Friday
morning. This was Thursday.
So I'm waking up in the morning putting the session on right.
And so I'm listening just I do it every morning on Fridays.
OK, You guys are my my go to. Yeah, right.
Or yeah, Friday mornings. That still seems really weird
to. Me and so I'm sitting there and
so I'm hearing it that morning. I'm hearing it and I'm like
hearing it and just the wow, that's cool stuff.
I gotta look into that. I mean I'm cuz that's where I am
in in this this growth, this growth pattern that I'm in too,
right. And so that's when she says it,
and I'm just like, well, that's really, I mean it like.
I just barely heard that, yeah. Well, that's really cool.
Like and it was so fresh in my mind.
I'm like, well, where did she's like, where did you hear that?
And I said, well, on the podcast I listened to, she's like, well,
what podcast? You know, like what this well,
cannabis school, She freaking dropped to her knees, dude.
She's like, Oh my. Oh my God.
Like. And I turn around.
Like and she's like, do you know who that is?
And I'm like. Who like and I took and this is
the funny part because it's this is what happens so this hat I I
got into these like paperboy hats.
I don't know why I just got into it you.
Really like Newsies. Yeah, or that, or I'm 45 and I'm
just like, well, just lean into it, brother.
I mean, it's all fucking white anyway.
So. But I, I, I wear that and people
don't recognize me like I was at a farewell for my buddy's
daughters going on the on the LDS mission.
And this woman, I have been friends with her husband for
years. I wear a kilt going to I'm the
deputy commissioner for a clan Campbell in Utah and it's
through bloodline on my wife's side and I'm in a kill.
I go to go to church with a kilt on because it starts a
conversation. I got tattoos, I smoke pot and I
got to kill. Like we got a lot to talk about.
But she looks me up and down like I'm some transvestite or
something, like because this is Utah.
And then she's an old school woman.
So she looks me up and down and I laugh in my head.
I go, she doesn't Remember Me. Oh, this is awesome.
And then she looked in the mall. We'll see you later, Mike.
That's what I said you. Did yeah.
And she just like us. And I'm like, I am going over to
see her husband. He's he's in his 70s and good
friend of mine. And I was just like, I'm going
to go over there wearing the kilns.
Like, Sir, you like you like judging people, do you?
No way I'm going here in your dress.
Don't. Worry about that?
Look at this someone. Lifted up, you'll not be able to
get on you a good peek at me. But it it was just crazy because
when I wear this hat, nobody recognized me when I took off my
hat. He just he goes, oh, Oh my gosh,
And he just gets like he gets tears in his eyes and then he
gets goosebumps on his arm and I'm like, oh, and he picks me up
off the ground. Just give me the biggest hug.
I got one of those this morning. It was.
Fantastic. It's just me, guys, it's me.
I fucking loved. Him and he's like, there's no
way you are here right now. And if you think about that,
like that morning, Kim's tire pops, it pulls over at this golf
course and I didn't have my debit card with me.
So she would pay for it for me to go with her 'cause she was
like, no, I'm going to take an Uber.
I'll I'll call the insurance and like, no, I'll go with you.
I'll do it and this whole purpose of like I am where I'm
supposed to be. I don't I don't go away from it.
And for me, it's always like for me and maybe for you or some of
the people that like it's universe, but I truly believe
God's talking to me going do this like talk to that homeless
guy. Like that voice comes in.
And and that's that recognizing that voice and having faith in
what you're hearing. Yeah, just do it.
Just do it. Just act on it.
Like don't don't think about it.
Just do it because that's where you kind of.
But The thing is, is like in in my world, without cannabis, OK,
Like it's a little bit different.
Yeah. OK.
And I'm not trying to say that that's, you know, good or bad or
ugly. I don't know, like, but I'm
sitting here saying like, it's like my way of life the last
five years. And I mean, even the last three
years of just coming clean to my wife about my cannabis use,
right? Of what that freed up to free up
conversations for my wife to finally say, like, Oh my gosh,
it's not all as bad as actually you are a better human with it.
Like, I wish we would have had it, you know, earlier on in
life, you know what I mean? Like or whatever like right And
so. 'Cause they can see that.
Because they see the change and, and I mean, and I think this is
the ones like, like to turn around and like, you know, I
kind of mentioned a little bit before, like I, I had I in this
journey, had to go to jail guys for, you know, 25 days, I told
you or whatever the 30 day sentence, right.
And so when you're, when you're coming out of that and you're
like half and did you know when your daughters are sitting with
you, when you're being sentenced, you know, and, and
you're leaving and you're like looking inward on that kind of
situation of like, what, what got you?
I mean, what got you here? What, what are you learning from
this? You know, what are these things,
right? And so they could sit and blame
it on 10,000 different things, right?
So putting that puzzle piece together that I got a chance to
do it again, right? And we'd be able to prove that
through this process. What is the one thing that
changed? I I put cannabis into my life.
That's the one thing of all of this that changed.
And I looked inward because it talked to me and it gave me that
ability to do that. Yeah.
OK, to know who I am, right? The primary song, right?
I mean, yeah, that's it. Just opens up that gate for that
to work, right? Yeah, no.
And that's and I mean, and that's where I just had to come
to that, to that real, you know, reality of it is good.
Like it's not bad. And when your wife finally jumps
on board, like it now lifts you to a whole nother level of being
able to accomplish things that, you know, what's the, you know,
what's the unknown. Yeah, right.
And then when they accept it and they're like, OK, well, maybe
I'll even try a little bit. You know what I mean?
Let me try a little bit and maybe we'll.
Because they see how it impacts you and what it does for you.
The thing is, I did the situation where going through
the line, I ended up with D8 because you couldn't quite get
cards yet, you know what I mean? And so I'm trying to do it as
legal as I and buy the book as I possibly can, right.
And my wife had, I mean, she just seeing this change in me
and I'd lost more weight and I'd putting meditation in and we'd
even started doing a bit of meditation and I still hadn't
told her that I was, you know, I said I'm using CBD.
Yeah, you know what I mean? Cuz that's really what it is.
It's in it, right? So I'm not lying, right.
Cuz there's. CBD.
In it right, right, right because.
It's in it, right? And so I'm sitting there and I
anyway, so I have it in my top drawer of my and she knows where
it is. I mean, we were keeping
everything open. I'm not hiding shit.
It's not. This is my life, right?
Yeah, but it's a book. Yeah.
So I leave for and she's like, you know what, like that's been
helping him with his weight. You know, he's been doing so
good, like he's I think, you know, maybe I might just need to
try some. OK, and so she gets in the bag.
It was, I don't know what the time to D8 stuff, but it's they
were 50 milligrams on the gum. She ate that whole thing.
And she didn't know dosing either.
She didn't know whatever and freaking took that gummy and
ended up at work. Oh, Oh no.
How? How did that go?
Yeah, she got she. Oh, I got what did you what is
in here? I'm like, oh, shit.
Like I mean this is. What do you said?
This was just CBD. No, you should be taking more
CBD. What, like like get back home
and she's in. She won't do nothing.
She's hiding in the bed, like covering her head.
I was the devil at this. Point right, Yeah.
Why did you get this? Why did?
You get this? You told me it was just CBD.
So it's another level of like, OK, now we got to have the hard
conversation again. Yeah.
Right, 'cause that trust.
That trust is now broken again. And so you're like, OK, but, but
I promise it wasn't. But that's the process you got
to. I mean, at least mine.
I'm telling the story to be honest.
About it, yeah. Right, if there's any other guys
out there that are struggling with the same thing, like, you
know, like we'll help you out. I mean, I don't I don't know
what to say about that. It's, but it's a thing where you
got to be true and honest with yourself.
And if you're not, you're not going to be able to get to the
elevation of where you can be to be your best self and help the
all the people that are around you, right?
Like, yeah, you got to own it. You got to own it.
Be true to yourself 1st and everything else will fall into
place. Yeah, and truly, man, I mean, I
feel like that and and you know, it's like, you know, and Brandon
knows I've said this to him in time, but you know, I truly
believe that, you know, God placed Brandon in my life the
right time because he brought me into it.
If I would have done anything different, you know, that's why
I don't look at any type of anything I've ever done in my
life with regret. Like I would be the worst person
to contend with in a political campaign because be like, oh,
well, you did this shit when you were 21.
I'm like, yeah, it was pretty awesome.
Anyways, next question, right? Because I would be like, I don't
care. I'll lean into it like, oh, you
were, you were a bigot and kind of a racist.
Yep, both of those guilty charge next question, what would you
like to ask? Because it doesn't matter to me.
It's it's gone. It's not real anymore.
And you know, I, I, I try to live with that all the time,
every day. And it's just, it's just amazing
that you can get to this point where you just go, look, I'm
going to accept these things and, and I'm, I'm going to feel
it. And God brought Brandon in my
life. Brought, he brought cannabis
into my life through Brandon, right?
I mean, Brandon was being a missionary and he would never
admit that, but well, he was being a missionary and his, he,
he, he was, why did he bring it to me?
Why? Well, and that's, I mean, that's
that point of like when I finally came to the thing, like
I during this, this journey, my, my, when I had the boys and was
a single dad, my, my, my mom would take the kids usually like
once a month for me so I could have boys time right or
whatever. And then there was a little bar
down on State Street called the three alarm Saloon.
Oh, I've. Been there.
Yep. OK.
I was a bouncer there. Yeah.
OK, so three the three alarm saloon.
I mean, this is the could tell stories and this is weird
because that's the part of like, it was a pretty hit place.
I mean, it was whatever, right? But I had buddies that like to
go there. Yeah, but they would drink.
But guess what? Jeremy didn't drink.
I just smoked weed. Yeah.
OK. So I was always given the keys
and was the sober driver. OK, sober driver.
Well, yeah, sober driver I was. I mean, that's I was, I'm just
super calm when I drive, so yeah.
Yeah, well, anyway, the point of that part was like when it came
time to go, we'd go back to certain places and you'd get all
these people. We'd have an after party.
I'd drive them to the after party.
They'd get, we'd now get them high, OK, because there's no
more booze. We'd now get them high.
And then I would sit there and freaking preach the gospel to
them, dude. Like OK, and like tell them some
shit like because and they would sit there, dude.
And this is where I was like they like, dude, you're the
marijuana Mormon. And that's where I got deemed
that freaking that freaking thing.
When you got started? Well, I got started.
You called. The marijuana Mormon.
Yeah, 22, that was what that was through this process because
there was no better place because I because remember it's
forbidden fruit. I knew it was the forbidden
fruit. So all cannabis to me was the
forbidden fruit. So I'd start telling them the
whole story in my while they were high and coming off of
being drunk and half of them would they'd all be members and
wanted. You always end up with, well, my
dad's a state president and he didn't say it like that.
And I said I know because like, he didn't know.
That's hilarious. Yeah, he didn't know.
He didn't know. You're right.
But he didn't know. Yeah, right.
So that's the thing that's coming in is you're just a
marijuana Mormon too, right? We're all just marijuana.
Mormons he used to be. So he's no longer.
No longer OK. Yeah, he's been, he's been out
of the church for a long time. I laughed and I went Christian
for a bit and then I, I, I don't know what my relationship is
now. Yeah, but he's on the journey.
Well, and the only part, the reason that I'm going to say
that that that you can still fit in that classification is even
if it's saying, you know, it's just part of even your DNA.
True. Oh, it's all of my family.
Like it's. 5 generations, well see, see, and, and it's, I'm 65
to six on me. So that's that part of like,
it's like I've evolved to a point where we can have a lot of
conversations because I've, you know, like I still, it's still
a, a realm for me. I mean, I, I still embrace the
church. I still embrace a lot of the
things because it's, it's who I am, right?
It's a journey that I've, I've, I've, I've, I've been on to just
try to do good, right, To try to do good, but I'll never be able
to walk away from who I am and who my DNA is, right?
You know? Right, right. 100%.
And so that's that part where it's like I just, I, I, I owned
it and that's the part of like, it's just, it just fit, right?
Yeah. That's what brought us together
here at this point, Like this story, the whole thing, it just
comes to to the cannabis and. Beautiful synchronicity.
The synchronicity. Of all of it and and here's the
really cool part guys and then I'm going to have Jeremy explain
all of it because this is really cool.
So when he's saying like, you know we get introduced, he gives
me a hug he goes I have something for you and I'm like
what the hell and he takes us back into his office and he
shows us this putter. Well, he he was talking about a
putter. He had a different putter, but
he's he was explaining it because he had made these for
us. But he the whole story, dude,
you're you're better at explaining it.
Explain it for. Me well.
Because it will go to the keys. The keys is the coolest part of
this story dude. So start back like you used to
collect keys. And just, I mean, all through
your life, all through my life, I mean, I've just, if you go and
look in my drawers, anywhere that you're gonna find, you're
gonna find keys. I have keys on my key chain.
Just to have them. That I don't even know what they
go to right so this has just been that thing you're just like
OK, what is this what is this thing to keys.
I can go in and you're like, we'd sit and we can even we can
even activate AI in this and say, OK on my social media, like
what's been found? I mean, I I can show you guys
crazy things that have even manifested with that of it
knowing me pretty well and sending me even stuff that has
to do with keys. And so it's, and it's not like
this OCD thing or anything or whatever, but it's just.
Just. Something that pulls me into
something that like catches my mind, right.
And along this journey, like I ended up, you know, like I said,
I, I went to jail. One of my sentencing things that
I was sentenced to was I needed to be evaluated and, and have a,
have a therapist in place to be able to, you know, see what I
needed to do. And so I had to seek finding
those things. And I just wanted, I'd, I wanted
to be able to protect, protect that, that I used cannabis,
right? I didn't want that with the law
to like border anything and just wanted to stay strong with that
a little bit. And so I was choice about who I,
you know, who I found and I just happened to find Cliff Aukerman
at outpatient be able Behavioral Health in Salt Lake City.
That happened to bring me in and was able to introduce me a
little bit more to what cannabis therapy is and how to use it in
a therapeutics, you know, setting.
And just gave me some tools to be able to work with through
that process. Which kind of led me down the
path of, you know, really trying to get into some deep meditation
and get into finding who I am and kind of using the cannabis
tool to kind of get rid of old trauma.
And you know, it's gave me those tools to work down that path.
And so I started putting that all together and, you know, as I
started learning about vibration and energy and what, you know,
that as they're classified, you know, in a number scheme, it
kind of made sense to me of like, you know, fear, guilt,
shame or all low vibrational, you know, vibrations.
And so as I started like saying, OK, like applying the cannabis
with the therapy against the little word things that we sit
and draw through all the time, like part of our, you know, it's
part of the this is just therapy.
So I started doing a meditation and just do it like therapeutic.
Like this is what I want things to look like or this is how I'm
going to orchestrate things. And I was able to tie into those
traumas. And I kind of learned that like
through creativity that that you can shed those, those things
like layers of of onion, I like to call it like just shedding
that onion, you know. And so as I was doing this, like
I was getting results, I was getting tons of results.
And I'm like, this is just awesome.
And I had this vision where I've always worked with my hands.
I've always just been very, you know, and I kind of realized in
life, I'd kind of forgot how to do that, right?
And so I was like, no, I got to tap back into that because
that's going to bring something good.
And so I sat down and I'm like, you know what?
Like, what are you going to do? And I just happened to have this
experience where I'm not a golfer.
I work at a golf course, but I do not know anything about golf.
It was always too kind of frustrating for me.
But there was a gentleman at the first tee, Paul Pugmeyer.
He's a he runs the first, the First Tee of Utah, which they do
veterans golf and things. And he'd said, hey, I want to
get your first set of clubs. And he took me over to the to
the warehouse where they got all these clubs and was came time to
pick a putter. And he's like, well, you know,
picking a putter's kind of like picking like Harry, like a wand.
It's like Harry Potter's wand. It's going to like, it's just
going to call out to you. And they like have this whole
freaking thing of putters. And I'm just like, dude, that's
a lot of putters. Like this is crazy.
Like, and you just want me to choose one.
He's like, no, it'll choose you, you know, and I'm just like,
hey, I kind of believe in this shit.
So that's OK. Like, we'll see.
So I reached up on the thing and I kind of pulled this one putter
out and I was like, oh, this is kind of cool.
And pulled another one out and he's like, well, yeah, you
better. You better take two.
You know, you'll figure out which one you'll like.
Well, that second one I pulled out, it said the Cadillac on it.
OK. And I'm like the Cadillac, a
Cadillac freaking putter. That's pretty freaking who like
if, but if Cadillac can make a putter, why can't I?
Right, right, Why can't I? So I kind of started those
things and it wasn't until a point when they, they got this,
a donation to the first tee of these, of these clubs and, and,
and stuff that had come in, got this big old box and we'd gone
down and, and Brent started they, we started tearing them
apart and I pulled one out And as I pulled the, the, the club
out and the shaft, it sat on it, the key.
And that was the exact moment that I knew like, because I
served just fine, fine keys right in life that it was like,
wait a minute, that's it, that's it.
Like between if Cadillac can make a putter, why can't you?
And now you have some shafts and it says the key on it.
You better do something with it. So again, trial and error.
What are you going to do? I first wrote it down on paper
and then I, I've got a whole like, each stage that it went
through of, and it was heartfelt, like, OK, who's this
supposed to go to? And when I finally got down to
the last, I mean, I had ten of them that I handmade each one of
them blood, sweat and tears. I mean, I even ended up at my
father's home where he passed away two years ago.
And, you know, we had a kind of a tough relationship.
You know, we never saw. We're just too much alike.
But I ended up at his house because I was kind of in again,
I'm in humble stages again in life.
Being at the golf course has been very humble.
OK. And so that thing of, like, the
old Jeremy would have went out and just bought all the
machinery I needed to make the stuff, you know?
But like, I'm not on that budget anymore.
Yeah. So I had to be resourceful,
right? And I'm like, you know, and
almost at times, you think, like, maybe Dad was talking to
me, saying, hey, run over to my house and, like, grab this
stuff. It's there and you can use it.
I did that, man. Went and got it from a dad's
house, brought it, you know, to the back of the golf course and
started my journey. Because the time, like each one
I think took me about almost probably 6 hours, you know, to
sit and sand and do all the things 'cause I wanted to make
them just perfect. And then I had to figure out
that I can't make them all perfect.
Each one of them are just going to be however the hell they show
up because I don't have control of that, which is another
efficiency that I blew. I had to learn what I'm doing
right, But as I did that, I had to sit and like I started like
have this thing like who would I give one to or who would I
write? And it was like, no, it doesn't
matter. It it'll just, it'll manifest
itself whenever it's supposed to come.
And I've been going on my normal routine, you know, home on and
listening to you guys for a long time.
And I had done a meditation and, and I came in and this was what
I wrote after the meditation. And it's just all of these
things in life that I needed to do and there's a bunch of check
marks on them. And down here in the bottom, I
had this idea of like, I'd be really cool that it be a do a
podcast. The more the marijuana Mormon
and I wrote right below it contact cannabis school.
OK, because always at the end of your thing, you guys have the
thing about Spotify or whatever. It is really easy and all this
other stuff. And so I'm just, it was like, Oh
gosh, I got to, you know, but I got to get them first.
And so I like had this thing of these care packages you got
today. We're like already sitting in
the PGA building. Like all of my guys, they're
like blown away because like they, we've had this discussion,
they've listened to the sad, like there's all these things,
right? And so like when all of these
things came together and it just was like, like, how did how did
we make this? How do we make?
This matter like how did all this just happen?
And like, I'm really like freaking here and just like
hanging out with you guys and just, you know, just doing this
thing and that's I don't know that I it's just weird.
I I it's AI mean goosebumps. It's just a paradigm of, of
weirdness. You know, to go back to, to the
shapes. You know, one of the big things
that Jesse did right out of the, you know, the gates there was
made me feel loved, made me feel loved.
He reciprocated the love that that I threw out to him and was
automatically already knew what he had to do, right.
And he sends me he sends me here.
Take the shape, Squiz, you know, And so when you first get pushed
on something like, oh God, he's just trying to sell.
Something right? He's just trying to sell.
No, I'm just, let me tell you A. Story No, I'm just sitting here.
But that's where you come out and you're like, OK, well, maybe
I'll open it up, you know? And again, because when you're
self checking, the universe does not bring you things like like
you better, you better freaking do what's happening, right?
And then you get to the point you're like, shit, he wants me
to put my e-mail in. Good gosh, like OK, well, I
guess I can, I can do that, right?
But what it unlocked because this just happened to be a date
weekend for me and my wife. OK, so I process it and I did
this and I'm telling her all about, I mean, this is just, you
know, you just like this just happened.
And you know, my wife's she's she, she's an Oval, OK, she's an
Oval. And so, you know, Jesse's, I
mean, like, damn, my wife, he wants to know my wife.
He sends me the stuff, you know, And so we just happen to be up
in Wyoming and we're having our date and reading this stuff.
And we, I cannot explain to you what it opened up just by two
humans having this little thing to say, Oh my gosh, that's how I
am. And Oh my gosh, that's, and
you're not trying to do this to me and you're not like we had
this new realization of like, Oh my gosh, this is a whole new
level of friendship that I didn't know could exist.
Now we've been working through that the last few days.
It's a work in progress. Right.
Oh, totally. But to have that blueprint?
It's a CHEAT SHEET. To know that.
This is how they act. This is who they are.
That's how they're. Wired and they're not doing it
to try to hurt me like you. Can just see when they're in
their positive state or their negative.
State, well, even if they're in a negative state, you can go,
well, they're just saying this out of a place of love because
they want these things for me. Oh, OK, so you don't go in with
I got to be right. Exactly.
Yeah, because, but that's that part of like all the tools in my
toolbox that I've got up to this point.
I thought I was like pinging, right?
And this like opened up a new like a new toolbox of like, OK,
well this. Is dude, it's the funniest thing
that like that, like you're like, oh, he's trying to sell
me. Like I have been purposeful on
that because I, I know what it's done for me.
And I just, I have all the shapes and stuff like that, the
full reports. And I'll always tell somebody is
like, take it, put my name in there.
So the e-mail campaign doesn't go to you because if you don't
put my name in there, you don't select me as a coach.
It will send you into this e-mail campaign.
And it's not good right now, but it's great.
I say that and they go, oh, you want my e-mail?
No, no, no. So the emails don't come to you.
The only thing you're going to get is the shape.
And I go take it, have fun. And then always people go, well,
how much does this cost? I'm like, no, no, no.
Something has changed my life. And there's two things.
It's not. It's not an MLM and it's not a
supplement. And they go.
OK, well what do I got to do for it?
Take it and I'll give it to you then.
What do we do with that threat? You have any questions, let me
know. It's it like?
Speaks for itself. It really does it.
Does I and I and I I think that's that part and that's
where I come to this, you know, being able to be so blessed to
be able to meet Kim and Jesse in all of that right in in in that
journey of just putting it together like is mind blowing.
I mean, to have this experience in my life to, you know, to, to
share truth. I mean, that's, that's what it
freaking boils down to is just being honest.
Yeah, and being, I mean, that's being true.
And that's one of the things I've loved about that.
You know, Brandon, I always say that because, you know, I
wouldn't have, it wouldn't have worked out the way it did, man.
It wouldn't have worked out the way it did.
And I had to meet his, his cousin, marry her, not really be
friends. He used to hang out with his
brother and then this just happened, like I was in a bad
spot in my life. And he's like, dude, you need a
job. Well, the call center, I
workouts higher and you should get it over there.
And he was so awesome to me. Like he showed me how to do it
this like my first sales job. And he's like, this is how you
do it. And he gives me a quick win and
gave me the sale. And I see a pop up on the board.
I'm like, this guy's all right. And yeah, yeah, he is.
He's he's brought me into this and I I always been doing the
same, like we're always looking out for each other.
I but cannabis will do that with almost anybody.
If if you know like the fact that you had cannabis and I that
we both use cannabis and we met each other when they did instant
Bon, yes, instant bon. Instant.
And it's just. And, and it's like that in every
situation, anytime it comes. Yeah, anywhere.
Onto it. Doesn't it?
Though anywhere, anywhere. So it's there's no mistakes in
it and it was so awesome because it would, it just feels so
amazing to be able to do that and you're going to be making
all these putters. Well, that's the I mean, that's
The thing is we've, we've, I've handmade the tan.
I've still got two left to, to give away the the first one that
we, that we, that I presented, created a a very, you know,
generous situation to be able to make it grow a little bit more
and to make it more, you know, more more profitable.
We had and then, you know, like these little things came into to
push us to building kind of like a political putter.
But my, I'm all for trying to help with PTSD.
Then in a situation where, you know, trying to to to not quite
sure what all that looks like right now, like the framework of
it all, but, you know, to helping, you know, convicts or,
you know, felons getting out of jail, wanting to change their
life like they do with with the Tribal House of Utah.
They're helping, helping guys and using cannabis to be able
to, you know, help them further their lives, giving them a new
start, right, new direction. So there's things that are out
there, but I think it, it, it comes down to the awareness
though, to hear a little bit more of the good stories that
are out there surrounding cannabis.
And I think that's what this has done has been able to open up
that opportunity, you know, to be able to do it.
And that's what I'm so grateful for is just, you know, to be
able to, to experience it, to be able to, to be a part of what's
happening because consciousness is it, it, it's common guys.
Like it's come, like we got it. We got to learn about, like we
got to learn about it. It's just a phase of, of, of,
you know, this life that we're, that we're in and, and we've
just got to accept it. And The thing is, is, you know,
we're reaping the, the rewards by being able to do it.
It's unlike anything that's, you know, that's out there.
I mean, it's just, it's just beautiful.
Yeah, it is beautiful. And you have this organization.
Tell us about this organization. It's not it's or what it is this
this is a little situation where I have a ADJ.
It was one of my employees and he has an amazing life that he's
kind of lived. He ended up becoming an
employee, like I said, and just kind of through, you know,
cannabis and just talking and just being real.
He came up with the greenskeepers.
I was the greenskeeper OK of the place and I started making these
putters because my first one was a can.
It's a big freaking cannabis leaf.
It was just it looks so gaudy and ugly, but it served the
purpose because I had to it had to start somewhere, right?
And so as that came on and just kept collaborating and he I kind
of pushed him OK, we got to get the website going.
We're going to find somebody like, and he did his due
diligence, but I was just there as, as the probe, you know, just
kind of like, hey, we're going to do this, do this and he'd be
on me. Are we getting the putter done
or you doing your, you know, as little help and as the kind of
two came together, it just, you know, it was kind of a golf, a
Golf Club kind of a thing. We we both have different, you
know, purposes of it, but he's got a dream of, you know, trying
to promote, you know, cannabis golf tournaments that, you know,
was a place where we can come together with cannabis on a golf
course and really. Fantastic.
We have tents in key places and you can.
Stop and yeah, sash at. Or whatever logs you got.
I mean, however we can make that work.
But if we could bring the but bringing the bringing the well,
bringing the cannabis, you know, world somewhere and bringing it
together, whatever that looks like, I don't know.
I mean, there's. A Well, but I mean, I think
that's a great thing with the starting with the putter because
the reason I mean that the whole story with it and knowing that
you can be a part of it, you're going to you're going to
eventually sell these, right? Well, yeah.
So they're, they're this next week we'll have the we're just,
we've ordered, well we're starting with 100.
So we've ordered a hundred of them, right?
So they'll be, they'll be coming in.
No, wait, the first one we've done was just 50.
So I've just done A50 of this model of this type of one.
We're going to split it up as you know, as the cannabis
putter. We are going to put it on eBay
and just see how many greenskeepers are out there and
want to be a part of this. And like I said, we're going to
set it up to where it's coming back to help, you know, with
PTSD felons, you know, working through things or even veterans.
We get a lot of veterans out to our golf course and, you know,
they're suffering from PTSD. Two, we've had a lot come around
that are using cannabis to be able to, you know, cope with
those things. And so it's just kind of that
thing where we feel like we want to, you know, give back at the
same time. Yeah, so.
I think there's a lot of beautiful things that could be
done around that. Yeah.
And we want to help out with that for sure.
So you know, one we'll, we'll figure out way to be able to
help you get that website up even faster.
I've got a lot of friends and contacts within the marketing
community. So that would be really cool for
them to be a part of it. And then, you know, for those
that are listening or watching, if you get to watch it, Spotify.
For those last week, we actually had our Tuesday episode aired
everywhere but Spotify. Yeah, something happened with
the video and they didn't pick like.
I was dealing with them all yesterday, so I still have to go
fix that, get that one back up. But yeah, for everyone else on
Spotify watching. Yeah, if you're if you're
watching, message us if you're if you're interested in getting
one of those, we'll get you in touch with Jeremy.
So the. Links will be below.
Yeah. All of them will be down there.
Well, all of you are going to be greenskeepers, that's the thing.
Just bring you into the club. I mean, you might be all over
the United States, but at some point we might have a big golf
course and everybody can. Oh, yeah, No, our our Utah
audience is growing. I've I've been meeting a lot of
people. Now every time I go by the
dispo, people will recognize my voice.
Yeah, that's a weird. Thing to get recognized by.
Right. Yeah, They're just like, hey, I
know that voice. And.
I'm like, yeah, hey, how's it going?
They're just like, I, I just think it's cool, man, because
it's, it's so cool to meet other people that are on that same
journey. And we created this for you.
Exactly. For everybody listening.
We created it for you. And this what This is why,
Brandon, I've been doing this for almost every week for the
last three years. We record and we, we, we don't
know. We didn't know what it was going
to do. We didn't think it was going to
get to the size it did. But I got to tell you, dude, we
just, we're just barely scratching the surface and it's
being able to unite with other, you know, cannabis, cannabis
enthusiasts, cannabis consumers that have found it's always a
lot more than expected. That get it to like the next
stage. Totally it.
Does. Yeah.
Because without it, I mean, when you look at life, I mean there's
not. Much.
You can't do everything alone. You can't.
No, it's not helping. Life on your own and definitely
cannabis is a tool. It's an aid.
Can it be something bad? Sure.
Anything can be abused. Anything can be abused and and
that's the thing of having respect and knowing yourself and
loving yourself enough, right? And sometimes when we get in
those, you know, in those places like.
Depressive States. It has to be what it needs to be
to get you where you got to get right.
Get you to where you have to go through those hard moments.
I mean, that's what makes us into the people that we are, you
know, coming out the other side. So it is we got to suffer.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No pain, no progress without
pain. So just kind of sit in it then
it's OK. But if you're having a real
difficult time, you know, if you've got somebody that can be
able to listen to you or help you if you're having
difficulties, please reach out to them.
If not, we'll even put it like a link down there to suicide
prevention hotline over there to be able to help you out if
you're having difficulties. And you know what, we're always
really open to it too. If you're having struggles and
you feel like talking to one of us is going to help.
Outreach out. Yeah, totally.
We, we always respond. I don't think there's ever been
something that's come to us an e-mail and they're like, no, not
today. Oh, there's definitely days that
it's like, no, not today. But then we e-mail them back
later. But it's usually just kind of
stress and all the other shit that's going on.
It's like, oh fuck, I can't. No, that's that's tomorrow
problem. It's good though.
And, and I think the funniest things when when people hit us
up, they go, Oh my gosh, I didn't think you'd respond.
Like, what? What do you think we're like?
Oh yeah, I was out of my yacht smoking a blunt.
What I do? Who are these people messaging
me or? Cousins.
Fuck off. Can't talk to them.
It's it. We, we love all of you.
We truly love all of you. And we're so glad you guys have
been along for the journey. Jeremy, thank you so much.
To ride your lawn mower and tuning in every.
Yeah, I mean. And then coming on the show,
this has been amazing, man. We made it.
Happen guys, this is awesome. Guys.