I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse.
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So today we just want to welcome you guys back and welcome
Meredith from Face Your Shit, Heal Yourself.
You have been doing like a whole bunch of stuff you've been
coming into, like art. You've created a podcast, a
journey to like, help other people.
Tell us a little bit behind what face your shit, Heal Yourself is
what it is. Yeah.
Totally. So it's really the first step in
all healing is being authentic and facing literally
acknowledging the problem. It's what I would short phrase
it as face you should heal yourself is a narcissist worst
nightmare because it's all about facing the music, facing the
truth, facing who you are to really resolve any issue.
It's all about the relationship between you and you and that's
what healing really is. You have to get real and start
cutting the crap and cutting like the coping mechanisms and
the symptom treating to really acknowledge what is this really
about, what is the real problem? And the more that we face our
shit and the deeper levels that we go through that journey and
other things can assist us with that, the more that we're able
to actually heal. And I searched.
I mean, listen, I had pain for 17 years.
Like, no one should have to dig and be in that much pain and
suffering for 17 years just to find basic, simple truths about
female hormonal health and about just health in general.
But through that journey I was able to find experts and
practices, modalities, herbs that have helped me.
And I created the podcast so that I can introduce those to
people and so that other people don't have to literally die.
Like every month. Come back to the other side and
like have this whole exorcist experience on their period and
like live this double life like I did.
If I can just help one person set themselves free, it was all
worth it. But the the podcast is like the
science and the modalities and you know, the products and kind
of things that I worked through as well as like the emotional
stuff too. And then the book, which I have
an accompanying book, is the first year.
It captures the first year of my Every Phase art series, which is
an art series that's going to go on for 13 years.
And it's how I healed myself from endometriosis.
And that's more of, like living by the phases of the female and
Freudian rhythm clock. I'm sure sure we'll get into it.
I could nerd out forever about the art side of it, which is
like, it was a response to people's Everydays series, which
he was like, I don't know if anyone knows people.
He's an NFT artist. He sold the world.
Do you know what you're talking about?
No. Yeah.
I I remembered that name, yeah. Yeah, so he did this famous
everydays it's 5000 days he sold it.
It's the world's most expensive NFT ever sold.
It was like $200 million or $170 million.
And he created a piece of art from every every day from start
to finish for 5000 days. And there's a lot of these
projects that go along and I was like thinking and I was like I'm
so I had just been like healing myself and learning about, you
know, how women are on the 28 day cycle and men are on this 24
hour clock and kind of reload hormonally.
And our world is kind of built around 9:00 AM, testosterone's
highest. 5:00, it rolls away. And I mean, we all know the
world that we live in based in productivity and nothing wrong
with that. Everyone listen, that's
biohacking and leveraging that for your life.
But it's very, very one sided. And so I was like, I'm so
fucking tired of seeing these every days.
Like every fucking day. You gotta rush, you gotta finish
all this shit. By the end of the day, I'm gonna
make a piece of art. Not every day, but every phase,
which there's four phases and not only make art and live the
art, but also educate people and help them biohack and leverage
this energy in their life. So it was definitely a response
to that. And a lot of my art is like
that. It always works better when I'm
slightly pissed off in general. OK.
I mean most art comes from a a place of passion, whether it's
anger or fear or love or you know, there's always something
usually based upon emotion that comes from.
Do you find that when you do art, do you utilize plant
medicines in your like when you're actually creating?
Or is it more of like, do you use that anywhere in your
methodology along the way? 1000% absolutely.
And that's the cool part about the series is I am living the
phase. So it affects your brain
chemistry. Different phases, different
hormones are sent to your brain and delivered throughout your
body. So if you know this, for
instance in the menstrual phase, the period phase people, the
right and left brain hemispheres of your brain are more
commutative than any other time. So you're primed for very
intuitive, very like psychic messages.
And it's like that because it's a shedding time, like what's the
shit that I need to like release and let go of to move forward
into the next cycle where a new follicle is formed and you go
through ovulation, then you go through the audio, then you go
through all the whole thing again.
So having that knowledge and then using, you know, things
like cannabis. And for me, we were talking a
little bit earlier about how I really have to metabolize
cannabis. So using CBD, using gummies and
in certain phases in different amounts really assist not only
if you have something like pain, but it's just the healing
journey in general for you to even know yourself better.
And not only cannabis, but definitely psilocybin mushrooms
been huge. I mean you're ingesting
universal wisdom. I feel like with I mean with
both like you are having, the plant is having a telepathic
experience. Through you.
Yeah. It's how I feel about it.
Yeah, especially like psilocybin definitely is.
I guess cannabis can be too. You can experience very
psychedelic, you know, experiences or thoughts or even
the introspective abilities that come from like psilocybin or I
often find within cannabis and I know Jesse does too.
Like it's been a huge tool to use to take a step back or like
look at a situation from a different perspective.
Then maybe we've been stuck in that, like these plant medicines
have been incredible tools for just opening up that mindset to
seeing a different perspective. Yeah.
It's it's showing the way to be able to unblock potential within
your mind. Because it's one of the things
that any, you know from mild hallucinogen just like cannabis
all the way to psilocybin, DMT and all the other fun ones, they
are able to help like these neural pathways to connect
better and to actually form stronger memories from it.
Like, you know, I always kind of find it funny when they talk
about like, oh man, you know, smoking.
Pots. Going to ruin your memory, you
know, And maybe in some aspects, but I haven't really felt that.
I felt that it's strengthened my memory, but it's depending on
the actions that I'm taking. Because if you're doing
something with intent, such as with your art, like I'm, I'm a
word guy. I mean, I am in marketing and
anything else that I do in the coaching I do right now, like
it's all about that communication.
But there's an art to it and I find the sack same thing.
When I'm able to be on one or the other of the plant medicine,
I'm able to unlock these ways of how do I make this more
streamlined for me to help me understand better.
And the takeaways I get are so immense, like your book and the
podcast and everything else. Like, you know, you had said
that earlier, like, gosh, you know, a girl like me, I
shouldn't have gone back to cannabis, 'cause I had some
horrible experiences, some exorcism type of experiences,
bodily fluids, all sorts of things.
People died anyways. It was intense.
And then you came back to it, something about the plant that
actually brought you back. What was that?
Well, I will say that I'm blessed to have a lot of people
like you guys in my life that are extremely educated in
cannabis usage, in growing, in just knowledge of the plant to
general of hemp oil. You know, my husband has made
meals like incorporated that like during my healing journey
when I was doing vaginal suppositories to help pain.
Like we actually started like making our own and I was like,
why aren't there CBD tampons? And now there's those.
It's so you can really start to get creative.
But I would say what what brought me back is probably that
probably that I think I was just at a point where I was so tired
of taking, running around, taking Lortab, Oxycodone, like
Roxy's like not knowing because that's the only kind of relief
that you would get. And even those wouldn't
sometimes touch the pain. Like I would have to go to the
emergency room, be lying on the floor in a pool of like, you
know, sweat and blood. And I've literally crossed over
to the other side. I've literally crossed over the
other side and come back again from that much pain.
You've had Ndes through. Endo.
Yeah, because the pain, it's wild.
It's a wild condition because it doesn't matter, like the amount
of endometrium that is in someone's, it's not like you can
just physically look and be like, wow, that person's like
uterus or intestines or lungs has like all this endometrium on
it. I bet they have a lot of pain.
Some people, it can be everywhere and they have zero
pain. And then some people like me,
you get one thing like 1 little right, embedded in my pelvic
muscle. So for me, like in Western
medicine standards, by their standards, Oh well, it'll always
be there. You'll never be healed unless
you just have a hysterectomy and like take out part of your
pelvis and all this other stuff. So it's not a physical, but if I
have something that's not responding hormonally to
estrogen, which is what causes the pain in general and again
it's a ratio balance of progesterone, estrogen,
testosterone and everyone's is different.
If you don't have that, it's not hormonally responding to that
and somehow the immune system, you're detoxing that estrogen
because that's the thing. It's all about just how you pass
it. And I think getting back to that
conversation of how I got into it, I think the way that my
husband kind of put it was more in like health terms, in more of
like an anti-inflammatory and CBD is where I started to.
You know, I didn't just start things that were psychoactive,
but when I did, I was like, when I finally wasn't scared to do
that and I and I was so fed up with what I had been doing, I
kind of felt like, well, what do I really have to lose?
I've already died. Like, like, I already know what
that's like. I could have that experience way
back again. But when you get to certain
levels of pain, the the silver lining is you really cut the
crap and you don't sweat the petty things as much and don't
pet the sweaty things. Like, you just get real about,
like, what's really important in life.
Like when you die and you're saying bye to everyone.
Like, it's like, what am I thinking about?
Am I thinking about how much shit I didn't, did or didn't get
done today? No.
Am I thinking about the sweaty shit?
No. I'm thinking about my
connections with other people. I'm thinking about, you know,
the sexual trauma that I experienced and how that
affected it. I'm thinking about, 'cause I
healed myself of an eating disorder as well.
That contributed. There's so many different layers
of understanding, and I think when I first experienced that
first edible experience, it just I was like, OK, I get it.
I get it now. But cool, it sounds like there's
been stages of healing and just like facing your shit each time
and like, you know, there's we've definitely recognized that
and it's different experiences or time.
You're like, oh shit. You know, plant medicine is
definitely introduced because the person I am today is nowhere
near the person I was like 10 years ago.
Yeah, I won't. I won't make fun of them right
now because it's too easy at the back.
I know. No, I I will bring up one thing
though. Like when he brought me into
cannabis, he used to have these like Aladdin pants.
Remember those like Puffy I. Still have them.
They're comfy as fuck. I just made fun of them all the
time if they're all right Aladdin take off.
But, but I'll tell you like yeah, it's exactly that was like
well Brandon had said and and to go into what you just said I'm.
I'm just really stuck on that. You know, not realizing a lot a
lot of our listeners may not understand it.
Endometriosis is not just like a inconvenience, if you will.
You know it it hurts a lot of women every single day from the
it's really uncomfortable. And I hate this to the point
where death has been experienced as you've just told us, like it
is. I I have a friend, a close
friend of mine, his wife and him.
It is. It kept them from being able to
have their children. It took seven years.
They maxed out their insurance on what they can do for
fertility, for the lifetime. Like, doesn't matter how long
she works for that company. It's it's on there.
Exactly. Yeah, people don't.
And it is technically considered now a disability.
But I think what's so even just more evil is that a lot of it is
totally preventable and completely treatable.
And the treatments that are what you'll get from the doctors even
today, You know, part of the reason I had a surgery for 17
years is because the medical gas lighting that occurred of
people, literally doctors highly refer doctors telling me it's
all in my head. Literally, it's all in your
head. It's a psychological issue.
You know, maybe you're just one of those people that has pain
that let it have a baby or it'll go away, which is a total myth
birth. Control, it'll go away.
Well, 'cause it makes them more money, so, you know, it goes
away in their opinion. But that's a whole other
episode. And there's these literally
criminal prescriptions. There's this drug they're still
prescribing today, Lupron that just removed.
They're like, oh, estrogen dominance.
Oh, it's responding hormonal industrium.
That's why there's pain. We'll just remove all estrogen
and put women, young girls in a fake menopause, which Lupron is
a drug for transitioning women to become men.
It is what they give. It is a puberty blocker.
This is and this. So basically Western medicine's
response is OK to get rid of your cramps, just become a man.
Your voice may deepen. Hair may, this is literally what
they'll tell you. Hair may grow.
Your voice may deepen and not even.
It's not that I'm saying there's necessarily anything wrong with
that, but you're just trying to get, you're just trying to get
help, like with your pain, with your cramps, and they're telling
you you like Western medicine's response is, OK, well, we're
gonna have to remove all estrogen from your body, put you
in a fake menopause which will guarantee you have Alzheimer's,
as well as a slew of other diseases, and you know you're
gonna have a beard and basically become a man, maybe start
growing a. Piece.
Do they give you a free Dick at least?
Dude, right. That should be the next
question. Does it vibrate like?
These are important questions to ask if this is the side effect
like. It's ridiculous.
And these companies have been criminally sued and charged and
they're still prescribed. It's amazing.
So. They're able to outspend that,
any lawsuit that comes their way, you know, that's how a lot
of these very predatory companies who are only after the
dollar, they don't care what they provide.
You know, you've got credit companies, you've got big
pharma. Everybody's trying to be able to
make a buck as quickly as they can, and it doesn't surprise me.
But, you know, when you're talking about a lot of these
things that your body hormonally has gone through, it sounds like
you you've done a lot of research on your own.
Have you worked with like, functional medicine doctors or
nurse practitioners? Yes.
So it took me a while to even find like, no one even know.
I didn't even know what a pelvic floor physical therapist was
until I started. I first did a lot of the heavy
lifting. I started the heavy lifting by
educating myself nutritionally on how hormones work and I read
couple books, Woman Coded in the Flow.
They should be required reading for all girls, all people,
because it's literally just the basic principles of like the
phases as I just described, and how the hormonal cycle functions
and what endometriosis is, how it's formed and how it's
developed. PCOS, fibroids, it's all
connected and it's all a result of the imbalance of any of those
three of progesterone, estrogen, testosterone.
Everyone's balance is different. So through that I did three
things I did facing your shit, healing yourself.
A large part of that was facing my sexual abuse and trauma.
So I did a because endometriosis.
A lot of people don't realize that it's also extreme pain with
sex. And a lot of it's not talked
about because it's very taboo. Because people, anything going
on with your genitalia is like, it really fucks with you because
it's part of it's like, no, we live in this very taboo world.
Even with periods and stuff, it's like, holy shit, we all
came from a period. If you didn't, if a woman didn't
have a period, we wouldn't be here.
So I'm not sure. I'm not sure why it's that
taboo, but. That's so much stuff is taboo.
It's, you know, we don't talk about that or it's not
comfortable. I'm just, yeah, it's it's
ridiculous. So facing that was huge and I
will definitely say that I was around the time that I started
really using edibles more regularly and suppositories
helped tremendously with. So I did that and I did pelvic
floor physical therapy, tremendous because not only is
it hormonal, but also the physical actual like muscles
there because of your nervous system dysregulation and the
trauma you've experienced, your body holds all that and
different. So of course it probably would
help for me and my pelvic floor and for a lot of people, but
they're unaware of how those are all muscles down there.
And it's very empowering when you learn to loosen, strengthen,
really control. Those muscles and really become
in alignment with your own body and connected to all of that.
Suppositories help greatly, yeah.
Oh. My gosh, you know, I I'm, you
know what you're talking about. I work with, I consult with a a
functional medicine clinic right now with all of their providers.
And so when you're talking about that, like I hear, I I hear a
lot of these stories, these same stories and a lot of how Western
medicine has kind of turned their back on a lot of this have
been just like what you said saying, hey, you know what, you
don't like the pain of being a woman.
Well, man up, you know, take this, you know, and don't worry
about it. There's, you know, manscape and
you can use that now, right? You just trim up everything like
it doesn't. That's the answer is to just
take it away instead of like, how do we strengthen and heal
and talking about this, these suppositories and and
understanding that, you know, CBD can actually really help
with that inflammation. And a lot of people have this
kind of sitting on the fence going, you know, and I'm sure
you went through that period, but what was that moment like?
It Was it the edible that you had and you're just like, I get
it now? Or was it just a series of
events? And then figuring out the dose,
'cause you said you can't smoke at all, 'cause it'll just put
you on your ass and. Yeah, yeah.
So what was the moment like when I was like, OK, I get like, I'm
now cool with cannabis. I would, I would say so I did
CBD first, which I was totally cool with.
And I think that's more like long term use, like
sustainability. And like, it's not like, OK, I'm
taking CBD and I'm just going to, I mean some people, sure.
But for me, like I had, I and I also saw a functional medicine
Doctor Who I still see to this day.
Beautiful, beautiful man. Love him.
He's been on the pod, just actually.
And yeah, so I would say, so CBDCBD.
Yes, But I didn't really start getting it.
I think the suppositories is when I was like, this is
actually really cool, 'cause then it's like right in your
bloodstream. And I was starting to become
more OK with my body in general to just like use a Suppository
and then edibles where it was like, OK, so it was definitely
steps. And that's healing.
Healing's a journey, you know. So with like the suppositories,
did you find that it was mostly effective with like cramps and
direct like in that area effective or is that still
something you felt throughout your entire body?
So back then, and it's been a while since I've used this
Suppository because I've done so much work where it's not really.
I think now it. Would be.
It'd be more recreational now, like, hey, let's have some fun,
but like, you know what I mean? It's more like actually
intimate, like Foria and stuff, which by the way, Foria, I used
their relief suppositories. They're amazing, but.
I've been curious on that. My girlfriend has PMDD and my
sister had probably very similar, but she just had a
hysterectomy last year and so. But that's another thing I feel
like for a lot of women is if they know they're not wanting to
have kids or they're OK having a hysterectomy, there is very
often that their doctor still won't allow.
They're like, no, we Nope, there's no need for you to get
it. And they will fight tooth and
nail not to allow the woman to still get that hysterectomy.
Yeah, yeah, it's wild. And it's because it's what's
best for them, not what's best for the patient.
It's what's best for their paycheck, or their pocketbook,
or whatever. Organization, yeah.
What brings in the most money to the organization?
Is it someone who isn't going to be returning customer because
while they're not having more kids and that's bringing in more
other things? Or is it someone who has a one
time fix and then well, they're not coming back for these types
of things? It's a preventative care.
That's. Totally.
And listen, you get hit by a bus.
Hell yeah, you better make sure you have a western medicine
doctor like to put your ass back together.
But chronic disease everyday like things like this where
you're in pain every month. Like hormonally this is like a
chronic disease. The answers aren't found in
catastrophic treatments because catastrophic treatments only
treat the catastrophe. They're they're meant for
putting yourself back together when there is no other way.
The body knows how to heal itself.
You just have. We've been and this is a multi
layered problem from our food, from our water, from you know,
the air we breathe. Like there's toxins everywhere
from the beauty products. Holy shit, That's like most of
your cancers are found in your cosmetic aisle like legit.
So it's and that plays a huge role.
Febreze literally causes endometriosis.
Like, I'm not even going to get into some of the toxins and
stuff in in those. It's like it's everywhere.
It's little bits from everywhere.
So there's a lot of levels to talk about it on.
That makes sense. And actually on our last episode
that we had for the sesh, we kind of goes into that with
carbon like the carbon fertilizers because we actually
talk about like the perfect ratios.
And if you're the plants are having to dilute or give energy
to fighting off bugs or doing these other things, they don't
have all the energy they need to grow to this perfect, you know,
best version of that. But if they have all this Bank
of energy from this fertilizer that is crafted perfectly for
that, well then they're not drawing on their own energy
bank. They're drawing on this existing
energy Bank of excessive energy, allowing the plant to do these
things that it couldn't normally do because it's like, well, I
have to fight this and I have to do this and I have to do this.
So it's the same with our bodies.
We like, what is the stuff we're putting in it?
What are you feeding it? What are you watering it with?
Like what activities in motion? Like, what are you doing to your
body to actually help it try and heal itself or get back to
homeostasis versus sitting in the stress and the depression
and feeding ourselves horrible shit and consuming horrible shit
and going, hey, I hope this makes me feel better.
Like, hey, I hope it does too. Good luck with that like.
Totally. Yeah I I and and so going
through this whole process and getting relief physical relief
you know working with the functional medicine doctor
learning how to be able to what in a in a sense and I'll
summarize this and hopefully not the most crude way but really
rebuilding your pelvic wall like controlling it understanding
like you every part of our body is subconscious.
You know it's it's some of the things that I, I actually, when
I when I coach people and teach people about their subconscious
and how it helps them to achieve things, Your subconscious runs
all the time. Like if we break it down, like
from how we're breathing right now, our heart pumping, our
lungs doing everything, our cells constantly moving, we
don't we're we're our our consciousness is just the
passenger for the ride. And so when you're able to tap
into this like you're physically you've been able to get there.
What I'm curious about is you get there and then all of a
sudden these emotional things to face your shit come up, right?
Because the body's really good at the subconscious, is really
good going, OK, pain is taken care of, you know, physically
she's OK. I think you should deal with
this shit right now. And they give you that, all of
that. You said you had to face a lot
of the sexual, sexual abuse that came towards you and what was
that like when you started facing it and was did plant
medicine in any way kind of help with that coping of that?
1000% Let me just go out there to the quantum real quick, like
'cause you touched on it a little bit.
All time is happening at the same time.
So with that understanding, it is not linear.
We are living in this experience as if it is linear, but it
actually isn't. It's all happening at the same
time and we are always in three places at once.
Mind, body, spirit, right? The Matrix is a control system
for your mind, but you're in all three places, all at one time,
all the time, and you're infinite.
I actually, it was actually not too long ago that I was, I had
an Edible. And I was thinking about this
and I was thinking about the exact question I was like, how
did I really? Because I felt like I was going
to die at 18. I didn't expect to make it.
I'm 35 now. I would never, ever, ever ever
have thought ever, ever a million Evers that I would be
here sitting with you talking about healing myself.
No, that's the cool thing about the truth It doesn't have, you
don't have to believe in it for it to exist and still work.
So I did not believe at all. And I was thinking, how did I
keep going all that time? Because it is a very toxic home
life, all these things. And I was thinking, because I
heard, you know, these voices, even back then, we all had that
relationship inside ourselves where it's just like, listen,
it's all going to be OK, just draw, just draw.
And that's I started healing myself with art.
And that's how I got basically kept alive, got a scholarship on
a wing and a prayer to an art college and went from there.
Basically, art saved my life. But I was thinking, how where
did that come from? And I really literally on the
edible and was like it's you with you.
I actually believe that it was actually me now talking to me
back then. Because all time is happening at
the same time and having the, you see what I'm saying, having
the connections and the relationship that I have with my
inner child, which is your higher self, but in child form.
And having the relationship that I have with all the parts of me
and all my emotions and that level of self acceptance, that
level of integration, when there isn't any kind of part that you
deny or push away or diminish, when you're cool with your
shadow and you're cool with the dark, you're unstoppable.
You can walk through time. And I feel like on a quantum
level, that's actually partially what it was.
I'm sure like my higher self and there's whole other spiritual
conversation behind that helped me.
But I actually a large part of what I feel like the plant was
telling me, which they always tell me is it was actually you.
Like it's you, it was you the whole time, It's your problems
were because of you and your solutions were actually because
of you. It's all about the relationship
between you and you. And cannabis for sure helped me.
So with the sexual abuse, that part, being able to face it,
because at least for me, the connection, the body high, so to
speak, that I get constantly, 'cause I guess I'm a
lightweight, I'm not sure. But everyone's experience is
different, helped me sort out where energy was going from
different emotional responses, and especially with sex and
intimacy and having issues with that and working through that.
And I have the like, God bless my husband because he is
literally my rock. And I mean we're each other's
rock. We are totally A-Team.
But to have someone also that had that understanding, and he's
a Reiki master, he's not new to any of this, like kind of
quantum conversation. It took, I think, our love for
each other and our partnership to in combination with things
like cannabis and having the willingness to look that really
pushed that over the edge. It's absolutely possible.
Yeah. If you have that safe space with
your partner, that's probably incredibly huge.
Well, no, no. And going right off what you
just said, Brandon, is something I was actually explaining to my
son right when I was driving to get to this, to this majorly
important call is that when you're able to subconsciously
connect with other people. Like, I was talking to him about
how to be able to match your breathing to the other person
and how you could actually use this to manipulate other people.
But you could match their breathing and then move their
breathing into your breathing pattern.
And there's this subconscious connection where you feel like
I've known you beyond this life. And and what you said there,
because and and I'm so glad that I'm actually very high right
now, I smoked this and then I was drinking this infused drink
and I was like a little bit into our conversation and I was like,
oh, shit, did I take too much right now?
And I'm thinking I got to go get some leverages.
I'm like, no, we got to hear this and I want to stop the
flow. But I'm telling you, like it
really just it sunk up right there and then when you talked
about the time is continuous. Meaning it is not forward or
backwards or now it is at all times.
And when you talked about like how it was you, it was yourself
that actually was able to go. It's all you.
You're the solution. You're the problem and you're
the future. You're not your past because it
doesn't exist, because once it's gone, it's gone because it's
continuing. And you can only go back and
read from it going what mistakes were made, How can I avoid them?
Can I help other people do the same?
And that's how we progress. It's like what we were talking
about with the other episode of talking about what this soil
enhancing company, that's just amazing and what it could do for
cannabis. But it's the same thing for us.
Like you have this magical ability to connect with yourself
and how cannabis becomes this amazing part of that process and
it it just is able to help you align and slow down and so you
can speak. It's like being a time traveler
in real time. It's like an event horizon.
If you understand that concept of traveling through space and
time. If you took 1.1 point and you
folded space-time together and you went through a portal, you
would appear at this side. We could be millions of light
years away. But by being able to leverage
things such as plant medicines, you're able to speak to your
future self, to your current self.
Don't do that. Hey, come this way.
You feel that way like you talk about that voice right in a non
schizophrenic way because I mean unfortunately they have to deal
with that. But for us, I truly feel that
way like my inner voice is louder.
I am more here and and listening to that.
No wonder why going through the process that you were able to,
you found this inner strength physically and then emotionally
on top of it, to be able to go through that.
And for your husband, who truly just is, he's like, I'm here for
the connection. You know, sex is a bonus.
It's awesome, right? Yeah.
But totally. To have that connection now,
it's just so incredible. Like it.
Like I said, you know your your breathing syncs up.
Your heart rates sync up. You know the the The thing is
it's not just for women anymore, right?
You know your periods don't just sync up.
You know like you guys are all Bluetooth, right?
It's just, but it's you sync up with that person because you've
finally been able to sync with yourself.
And that's when you're able to face your shit, right?
Because now you're just like you'd let go of this ego,
because we create egos for ourselves in every situation.
But when you face your shit, that's when the real you starts
to come out. And knowing that it evolved,
you're not going to be the same person tomorrow as you were
today. So I don't know, maybe it's
maybe it's the space behind me, 'cause that's why I put that
here, 'cause I started feeling high and I'm like, I put that
there, but yeah, right. But no, I I just, I made so much
sense what you just said. It is so eloquent the way you
put it and in the sense that you know you are everything and if
you you can slow everything down and talk to yourself and figure
your shit out. Feeling that broken little kid
inside all of us. Totally.
And that's why I feel like they don't want people using
cannabis. Because when you realize, and
that's one thing that I gained a greater sense of understanding
by using edibles and going this journey like with cannabis as
like a tool for that as well as other things, but definitely
cannabis for sure. Because you're not controllable
when you realize you are everything.
When you realize you are source and you are one with every
living thing on this planet, like we literally are each other
as different expressions and fragments of source.
So and that gets into a different spiritual
conversation. But it's just the truth.
And that when they took that away from science and a lot of
the healing modalities, it cost, it cost a lot of things like it.
It takes away some of the potency and some of the
understanding, a lot of the understanding of like why things
are happening in our body. Because like you said, it's not
just, you know, you ingested some toxins, there's toxic
energy, there's toxic people, there's toxic beliefs and things
that you formed from this life. And that's really, really what
causes disease, not just, you know, the heavy metals and
stuff. Yeah, I remember reading this
book on on the history of cannabis and development of like
oils and all that like super strong, you know, THC oils that
they were consuming like ungodly amounts on wall one go,
hallucinating. But the cool part is when they
were talking about during like Napoleon's reign and when he was
going through it all, even into Africa, down into Egypt and the
Egyptians, he didn't like the Egyptian soldiers talking to his
soldiers because they would smoke together and his soldiers
would say, I'm not doing that, I don't want to do that.
And it's like, it actually like unlocks a lot of control that
maybe others have on you or society or your whatever.
You've fed your subconscious for you to be who you are right now.
Nobody wants to be in a place of despair.
But you're exactly right. Why would they want you to be
able to control things such as your body and being able to feel
like? You or hear it yourself, if
you're not going to the doctor, getting prescriptions for all of
these things, all these ailments, all of these, you
know, symptoms that they're treating.
Western medicine is great at symptomatic treating, They're
great at, they're great at like surgeries.
We are awesome for surgeries in certain aspects.
There's also FDA regulated shit that is just ridiculous that
makes other countries way better for surgeries in certain
aspects. It's just business.
So yeah, but at the end of the day, like if you truly do
address that and you can look at yourself, heal yourself, you're
not doing symptomatic trading, you're not doing any of that.
You said you're addressing that real bottom issue like.
What is causing this? What is the root of these issues
that's causing? Because most of those doctors
aren't addressing the root cause.
It's. Let's throw some pills at some
symptoms and there you go. Yeah, but I mean even even the
doctors are, I mean a lot of them are unknown to a lot of
these things where you have like, you know, the functional
medicine doctors I work with, like they they had to go through
their own journey to realize that.
I mean, even one of these guys, like, it wasn't even Western
medicine that had the answer. It was just, it wasn't the right
answer. This guy got carpal tunnel so
bad that they were like, like, claws.
And he was going to get carpal tunnel surgery with, you know,
that they just had a tendon. They're not doing anything.
They're just like, more like, what happened to you, right?
It's like, oh, we'll just take it out, figure it out.
They removed eggs and eggs and dairy from his diet and it fixed
it. Like just he's like that fixed
it. It changed his life.
He became a naturopath Dr. And it's they just don't know enough
because it's exactly what we've talked about like the profit is
all that matters for him. So not only keep your patients
dumb, but keep your doctors just as dumb and saying, look the
only way you're going to come up with the solution is if we tell
you that makes money So and they don't know.
They just think that, hey, I'm prescribing this because this is
going to help. They're only taught what they're
taught, and what they're taught is right, Yes.
Yeah. I mean, and you have, yeah, you
have pharma funding all the schools, so you have Rockefeller
medicine. It's all.
So it's like they're not even taught nutrition.
It's only like one class. I think they're required
nutrition like it's like. They're still using the old
broken model, right? Just get yourself full loads of
sugar and carbs and you're gonna be great, right?
It it's, it's this constant bullshit that's fed to us,
right? And we do so happily.
But the thing that's really strange, right?
If you start going into, and this is a lot like what what we
deal with right now with our mental health, our physical
health, when you're able to introduce natural medicines,
plant medicines such as cannabis, psilocybin and so on
and so forth, you're able to make this amazing connection
with yourself and you start finding yourself being able to
do exactly what you've done. Meredith is heel.
And and that's a great transition going into your art.
Because I know for me, music and cannabis will get me into a
state of flow on demand and where other people will spend
hours just just ruminating over ideas and then it finally hits
them and then they can go for them.
And you better not stop them. But your art.
Tell us about your art. What What style of art do you
consider yourself if you do it all?
And from there, like, what's the connection to the pieces even,
and I'm, I'm assuming that you sell some of your pieces or give
pieces away, but how does that feel, to give a part of yourself
every single time? Is it the positive?
Where I would like that's part of me that I'm giving to
somebody else. That's an act of love.
Or is it like really hard and it hurts still to to some degree?
So I create as my sacred practice and specifically
speaking about the Every Phase series, which is how I healed
myself from endometriosis and living those phases I'm living
the art. So I'm looking at it more from
it's for me in my own healing and my own sacred practice, and
I'm sharing that authentically. So it's more about just me
telling the truth and me showing up authentically and sharing
that with other people instead of, you know, trying from the
outside in. It's more of a very like
holistic way that I do it. And yeah, they absolutely are
for sale. And what's really interesting is
that most of the pieces that I've sold have actually been not
women buyers, but actually men. And it's like this, this series
about like periods, but it's way about way more than just
periods. It's about truth, freedom, many
of the things we talked about today, because those are what a
lot of the phases are about, and the phases in our body mirror.
What's the universe? The universal phases, like I
like to call Mercury retrograde, for instance, like the period of
the universe, of our Galaxy, for instance, because you're
supposed to go in and start anything new.
There's seasons that the Earth goes through.
Like everything is just different levels of looking at
something and zooming out, and it's all mirrored within our
bodies. So when I'm making the art, I'm
definitely connected to that and to the message.
And it's really about getting that out there and just sharing
with other people so they can a know that they're not alone.
And then, you know, like these men that have bought pieces from
the series, they relate on a universal level to how to deal
with pain, mainly a lot of it, a lot of the attraction there.
Because I've asked them like, what is why did you guys buy
this? Like, you know, like one of the
manliest men I know, like bought this piece like behind me where
it's like you can't see the whole thing.
But I'm like coming out of, like, there's this is a bodice
and it's me coming out of a womb.
So it's like, you coming full circle to your own womb space,
like giving birth to yourself, right, In a way.
And there's many different ways you can take that.
And there was a little haiku I wrote with it because it's
called Over the Rainbow. And I said Over the rainbow.
I searched for the answers and I found a mirror and for instance
he related to that because he kind of woke himself up and
healed himself in a way out of a coma after an aneurysm.
And so I think the universal message that why it speaks to,
it's not just like periods in women is being in that much pain
or feeling alone and then finding the whole universe in
spite of in inside of that pain. And that journey going through
that and going through the kind of dark night of the soul is
actually like where all the power is like going through the
storm, not going around it, but actually facing it is where all
of your unrecognized power is like your pain is actually just
your unowned power. In a way.
It is your it is unintegrated, it is unrecognized.
It is unrealized. That's what all the shadow is.
It's not like this dark scary thing that we need to be afraid
of because nothing is bigger than you, because you are
everything, your source. So a lot of part, large part of
the series speaks to that. And so I thought it was
interesting. A lot of the buyers have been
men, but it's all mixed media pieces.
I'm a photographer, so I do commercial work, of course, but
I mix with painting. I do a lot of these digitally
just to keep the cost down. A and because I'd have like a
million pieces in my house. But then I also 'cause it's like
every phase, because people like, imagine people like if he
did like physical, like 5000 pieces, right?
But I started if someone wanted, dude, I know.
But I thought, what if someone wants to buy like the whole
collection? And so I started doing these
like little acrylic block pieces that are so fucking cool.
They're literally like two by two and then like you're gonna
have a QR code on the back. And a lot of them are augmented
reality interactive too. So like my book face, you should
heal yourself is actually. Yeah.
So the art will actually start moving.
You download an app. That's dope.
Yeah. So it's a different levels to
experience things on. So I'm always looking for ways
to make fine art, which has been so elite, like the way that it's
been marketed. It's like it's this high level
thing that you have to earn your way up to, to make it easier for
people to like, have relationships with artists and
actually buy art and relate on a personal, individual level.
Which is part a big part of the reason why I put this series out
there. I had never explored it before,
but I felt like it was really important.
And I feel like not only does it help other people on emotional
level, but it also helps people realize that I'm a real person
that they can work with and buying art.
You don't have to just go to fucking Pottery Barn or IKEA.
You can actually go to like work with a a real artist and have it
not be that difficult and not be that like elite so.
I think those are my favorite pieces, honestly, are the ones
that I've gone to a place like. Honestly, it's even like farmers
markets and places that I go and I see an actual artist and I
talk with the artist. I've even had ones that I've had
them make me a piece when I'm there because it's just like,
that's really what it is. It's the connection with the
artist, with the art. Like everyone's style is so
unique because it speaks to whatever emotion it is.
They're expressing. You know, whatever it is and
everything, there's always the viewers interpretation as well
as the artist interpretation of it behind it.
And so I love going and like you said, how many men have gone and
purchased your pieces because to them maybe the meaning and what
it speaks to them on a different level is is way different than
what your intent behind it was. But it's it's beautiful because
I love that art can speak. It's like music, It speaks to
everyone so incredibly differently, but like on like.
A soul level. Honestly, just hearing how you
explain that, I've never had the that perspective of what the
menstrual cycle actually means. Like in a in a really just like
bro way. You just flip my mind on on
periods like now I think of it differently.
Like I now I understand why they're buying because it's it's
not only the pain of it, but realizing the sacrifice that is
your life. It's not like when you talked
about you have to go to the storm, like you have to go to
that pain. It wasn't something that could
be avoided, you know. And and men have their own pains
and journeys that they go through and they're both sacred
in their own right for each other.
That's. I respect that so much.
That's why, you know, you know, being a woman is incredibly not
only taxing and difficult but rewarding And knowing that you
have made that connection. You've said that quite elegantly
and beautifully, Brandon had just stated, because I think
about like we just had that my my wife thinking she's had that
conversation with my daughter and now she's having a really
hard time with it. But I'm literally going to go
back and and just have her listen to this because I think
the way that you explained it is really it.
It brings like a lot of I don't want to say the word
appreciation. You make it sacred.
It's not something to be like, meh.
Yeah, this sucks. Guess what?
Yeah, it is. Realize the power like you
stated, like there's power in that.
There's so much strength in it, right.
I think that's why we talked about like, you know, hospitals
like doctors will fight for it to that.
Like I think down in the integrity of those doctors.
They're just like the ones who do fight against it are like,
no, I don't want you. You do not realize what what you
are giving away right now. For what what is it like?
More time to do shit, to buy more stuff, right.
It's it's not about that. My wife has had a partial
hysterectomy and they tried everything they could to be able
to get her. Not to that point.
And there are some pluses to it and I have five children and and
that's great. You know we've had we have a big
family and we we did a lot within that time And it it was
really hard for both of us because it's something that even
now when I hold a baby I'm 45 now and I'm like, there's part
of me going, man, what would it be like to have a kid again.
And even though a lot of the hard stuff is there, like I look
at my youngest and I'm like, holy shit that's crazy.
Like that's so crazy. Everything that you went through
and you're your spouse will go through creating that
understanding that seriously you've totally changed my mind
and periods bro. Like I am powerful.
Yes and and now yeah and cyclical and and so and and
connected to the universe. Everything is cyclical there is
this rinse repeat. Constantly there is a reminder
of whatever else is out there, whatever you believe in, whether
it's a creator or being whatever.
But there's something very real to that and that part of what
you shared and how it's interpreted into your art and
the cool stuff like, I mean it's you've just thought of so many
different ways to connect on so many different levels to the
five, you know, ways that we communicate to ourselves and to
others. And I just, he's seriously,
like, I mean, Brandon knows this too.
I'm big into neuro linguistic programming, and he's done that
too. And I mean, you fit all of them.
The audiovisual kinesthetic, the olfactory and the gustatory.
You envelope the senses through your pain and you have turned it
into something that is healing, and that's pretty crazy itself.
You're like a starfish, right? You cut off one of the arms and
it just rose back and it's same as it ever was.
Like a it's what you've done with parts of your your soul, if
I may say that, and a part of you, right.
You just sewn it all back together and there's no scarring
over there. It's just stronger.
Totally. And I'm not on any kind of
pedestal. Trust me, it's a journey.
It is not a destination. Yes, you get to a certain level
where you're like realize your own freedom, but on that level,
then there's a whole other menu to look at.
It's like you couldn't even conceive of the different levels
of feeling before you even got there.
So it becomes just a feeling of better and better and better,
especially with sexually, especially even just
emotionally. Like you can't even conceive of
the next level until you go through.
So it's it's never ending, which I love, I love.
Well, there's always going to be a next step.
You know, There's always going to be some next level in
progression, you know? So I I think that's fantastic.
And finding that level in that next step, it seems like you
have come on such an amazing journey so far at 17 years, like
you said when you were 18, not thinking you'd make it to 35I
joked around all the time about dying by 35.
Now I'm 36 and I'm like fuck, I don't know what to do.
This is like bonus time. Yay.
Bonus time. Let's go.
I can't begin to thank you enough for your perspective
because you know, it's, you know, there's perception and
perspective and the perception is, is that all the answers are
in a bottle or in a shot or some type of implant or just ripping
things out like it doesn't make sense.
If my car is not running well, I go, well, I'm just going to pull
these things out, you know, it's it's vital to the system.
But I'm gonna pull it out. What happens that's not gonna
run anymore? Even though you need an
alternator, that shit's overrated.
Yeah, just rip it out, right? But, but by being able to just
have that courage and strength that so many women out there
experience all the time and to understand from a man's point of
view and you explaining it so well, like I I have so much more
preach literally. We just need to take that and
how she explained it and we'll cut it up and we'll and yeah,
and we'll put it out there. And that's how schools can
explain it. Like, you know, a mom's having a
difficult time being able to explain it in a meaningful way.
Boom, right there. There you go.
And then here's some art to go along with that.
Because it would, right? Yeah, it's the best part is it's
true that's it's not, I'm not exaggerating or making it any
kind of way other than the way that it is like because I've
lived in and I've tapped into it and it's just cyclical, living
in general. And I think we used to live like
that more. I mean, my husband and I live in
terms of my cycle and it's the way the whole Earth operates,
you know, it's just we've become so disconnected from our own
bodies and from the earth in general.
You know, Mother Earth knows everything.
So I'm really not sure why we go anywhere else.
So getting in touch with our bodies specifically with the
menstrual cycle is mirroring what she is going through and
what she knows already and leveraging that, yeah, you can
leverage every single phase has different powers.
Basically, if you know what's going on in your brain and your
body, you can absolutely leverage it.
Yeah, So Meredith, tell our tell everyone at home where can they
find you, Where can they TuneIn and listen to you?
Where can they find your amazing art?
I'm everywhere. You can listen on every major
podcast. Platform.
She is source. She is everywhere.
Just TuneIn. Everywhere, dude, just TuneIn.
But yeah, seriously, it is everywhere.
And I'm on every social media platform.
I'm very active on LinkedIn. My website is just my name,
Meredith ochoa.com, and that's a great way to contact me.
And that is where you can sign up and subscribe to the Every
Phase series. So I'm still we're in like Year
4 now. So if you sign up and subscribe,
you'll get, you'll be like the first to get the piece of that
base. And then I do these fun little
acrylic block collectibles too. So there's a bunch of different
ways to get involved and get in on it, and it's all on my
website. Awesome.
We'll have all those links below in the show notes.
Make sure you guys check them out.
Yeah, I just subscribed. So I'm.
I'm super pumped. I I love that.
I love your your thumbnail. That's awesome.
That's really cool. My.
Gosh. Meredith, thank you again so
much. We we appreciated being able to
not only be on your podcast, which you guys will be able to
hear soon, you need to sub to her podcast so.
All those who are listening. Yeah, yeah, you got to be able
to get that. We really, really, really are
excited for your journey to follow your journey to stay in
touch with you. I'm sure we'll have you back on
and thank you. Really appreciate.
It's been real. Thank you guys.
Thank you. Yeah, and as always, love you
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Tell tell everybody about tell about your tell your mom, right.
I don't get to say enough mom jokes to Brandon because I I
just feel so bad because his mom's so nice that I would feel
like, horrible. I'm sorry said that about you.
I'm sorry. It's OK.
I don't think she listens anyway, so no.
She definitely does not listen to this, all right.
Oh yes, definitely. All right, everybody.