Welcome to Cannabis School. I'm your host, Jesse Angeles.
And I'm Brandon Elder. And we're here to talk to you
about everything pertaining to cannabis from vape, flower,
edibles, strains and everything in between.
Heidi Ho, neighbor, you know. Hey, hey, hey.
So today. We're just chatting about like,
you know, legalities of cannabis around the world globally and
where it's not elite, like where it's been legal, where it's not
legal. And kind of like certain areas
you maybe just want to stay away from.
If you are using cannabis or if you are there and you do use
cannabis, shoot us a message. We would like to hear how you
stay safe. Yeah, it's, you know, it's kind
of funny how when you look at the entire world, you you have
some real like, kind of easy assumptions that it's just legal
there. Like when I was talking to you
about before we got started, one of the funniest ones that I saw
in there, or funny or the strangest ones was Jamaica.
Jamaica. It's still criminalized, but
it's not it. It's you have to have it in
small use, like it's like 2 oz that you can have on your
person. But more for religious like
Rastafarian purposes or other religious purposes.
But dude, at all, growing up, I was like, yeah, you know Bob
Marley, you get high. But he was a Rastafarian.
So yeah, he could smoke it because it was part of his
religion. And it's just strange.
Even the Netherlands dude, where those who are listening, we do
have people from the Netherlands listen to us learning that it's
just coffee shops like in Amsterdam, like.
Yeah, there's a handful of places that are like
decriminalized. So it's illegal but
decriminalized or there's like a lot that it's illegal but or
only a handful that it's illegal but unenforced.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Most of it, it's just like it's.
Illegal. The one that.
Yeah, yeah, that's a great. But we do have a lot for like,
or it's legal for adult use, which is a lot of the US We do
have someone like South Africa, a country in Europe, but then we
have legal for medical use, which is like Australia.
Australia is medical for, it's legal for medical use.
Same with almost all of South America.
Almost every country in South America is legal for medical
use. And then we just have a handful
of countries peppered throughout Europe that are also allowed for
medical use. But most of them are like
there's a bunch of decriminalized.
Yeah, decriminalized. I think a lot of it is like, one
of the things that I had read about it is that you'll find
what was one I saw like in Spain, like, it's illegal but
decriminalized. It can't be publicly used.
Oh. But you could grow it at home.
But you can grow it at home and you can and members can freely
you know you can you can give us cannabis social clubs.
So kind of going like what Netherlands had and and you
know, honestly, I wish. Canada has those as well, yeah.
Canada's weird too, though, because.
They do have unique cannabis laws.
I've heard for the THC it's pretty open, but CBD totally
different. It's it's a lot more strict on
their CBD laws and so that makes me wonder like what's what's
going? On for the Canadian listeners,
what do you guys like? Do you use much CBD or is it
been because there's more restrictions there maybe around
it? Is that bad?
Is there a reason that you don't use it?
Oh, so here's something that it's a so both THC and CBD
cannabis products are heavily regulated in Canada.
I like that. I do too.
I like that including their marketing and advertisements.
For example, Canada does not permit celebrity endorsements of
CBD products, and marketing cannot make CBD look cool.
My CBD that's interesting that it's specifically in that like
that it states CBD right and celebrities for CBD like why is
it that they look at that and go we don't want this to be pushed
or marketed in you know XYZ avenues CBD isn't like why would
taking that. As opposed to THC.
Not be cool. Like, why would they want that?
To not become cool? I have no clue.
And and you know that actually gives me hope for Canadian
companies that listen to our podcast now hit us up.
Let's figure out a way where we can help advertise your CBD
products as well as your THC products.
That's a a unique thing, right? But that goes to show that the
the war on drugs that's been going on for well past, I mean,
it's earlier than the 80s. It's about 100 years almost.
Yeah. I mean, it's gone on for a real
long time because of we're seeing more decriminalizing or
or more medical use being propagated here in the United
States. It's over 30 states.
Yeah, I think you'd said 34. Around 34 states have.
At least a. Cannabis use?
Medical. Yeah, well, all medical, but
there's 24 states that are recreational or or adult use,
and that's a good point. You know, we were talking about
that. I think one of the reasons why
some of these bills get struck down is the way that it's being
shown it. If you're saying recreational
use, what does that sound like? It's outgoing.
Well, if you're doing recreational things, you're
going out and just having fun. So if you're using it for just
having fun, well, they're thinking of, well, this is just
for fun, not adult use like tobacco or alcohol.
All of these products which we have automatically deemed as
adult use. You have to have this specific
age requirement to even utilize this.
So it's like when I look at it and go, OK, well, it's cool,
'cause we have this adult label on it going, hey, you have to be
this age anyway. But why don't we label it as
adult use? We're not going, hey, we're
recreationally drinking alcohol. Yeah, we're just drinking
alcohol. Yeah and that's thing too like
it. It really it it creates a bad
name for it. I mean you can do that through
almost anything but the recreational tag really and and
it doesn't and and it's not done intentionally it it makes it
very it just gives a bad connotation with it.
It just sounds like I'm gonna do bad things now.
We are using today on on this episode.
We are partaking. One of Jesse's favorites.
Yeah, Pineapple Express. This is one of Utah's very own
grown. It's from Betty and it's really
good. I had a couple hits oddly
enough, too. And and we've got something that
we want to share with you kids. We have.
It's gonna show one of them right now all.
Sorts of flavors. Flint Mints, you guys probably
seen these advertised on like Facebook, Instagram.
Cool company. Chew my mouth.
Sucks Flint's mints. Make your mouth water.
It's it's pretty Well, I I I chewed it up and I swallowed.
Here's the weird thing. It kind of hurt my stomach.
Interesting. And the only reason why I think
that is because as I say, but it's vegan, sugar free, non-GMO.
So one of the really cool things that we saw was that they have
like kind of like a weird dosing like 100 hundred and 5200 goes
up to. 300 the strength, yeah. The strength they don't.
Clarify on them what the strength.
Is What's the mint at? 200, I think. 200, So the
required dosage they talked about was like 3?
Yeah. No, I don't need three.
I mean, unless I got super bad dry mouth.
Now I'm gonna smoke more of this.
Oh man, this is great. This is a good.
This is a really good grow. Holy cow.
So I had done a little bit of Super Lemon Haze this morning as
I was like getting the studio ready and this has been a really
nice change. It gets pulled up into my head.
I feel it tingling in my face. It's gotten rid of the nausea
that I had a little bit. It could be like his.
I've I've changed a lot in my diet and things like that with
my diabetes. So it probably just because I
don't normally have a ton of carbs in my stomach right now in
the morning. So that could have caused a
little bit of upset stomach. But here's this cool thing guys.
Look at that like you've got this cool little It's just one
mint comes out at a time. And you know, we've tried
another product. You guys have heard about it.
Lugra City. And it's OK.
It's not bad. But I gotta tell you, when I saw
this, I was like, that sounds cool.
Now, one of the funny things about it, I told Brandon about
it. I'm like the way it's being
advertised. Just sucks like Dick second
Vince. Yeah, exactly.
Like you, these girls who put in their mouth and then they go and
then just drooling, I mean, like, hey, that is cool.
Like props especially for those who who like to give great, but
also. Rings for Karen.
But you know what? Everybody who's listening to
this podcast like, I was just like, man, wouldn't we?
Wouldn't it be cool to try something like this?
Great thing about it tastes great.
Oh yeah, I just did the sour tangerine and one of those I
had, I feel like I had pretty cottony mouth from coffee and
like and by the lemon haze and that so.
And by the way, this isn't an advertisement for We reached out
because we wanted to check it out, see if it was something
that would be decent, and they sent us a bunch of them.
So we want to tell you about it. We'll probably get a promo code.
They're pretty good, I like. I got watermelon.
I did one and I still feel like it's taken away.
A lot of that, the dry mouth. And the thing to think about too
is that you don't want to chew this up.
Yeah, I I'm trying the watermelon and one thing, it's
delicious. This is good, like a candy.
And you think about those who take medications that make their
mouth dry too, because some medications will cause dry
mouth. This would be great thing to be
able to have because I'm taking the 100 right now and I'm
telling you right now all the dry mouth that I had from
hitting that pineapple. Just a few hits like I got dry
mouth, it's gone. Anyways, go down to the show
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These are cool. Keep them in your pocket.
Share with your friends when you go out to smoke with them.
This would be great. No, you know what?
I'm going to go off on a tangent.
I just really like it all of a sudden.
This is the first time I've been using it and this is awesome.
Yeah, he just started this morning.
Yeah, I tried the mint ones like a day or two ago.
Which are good. Yeah, but this is the first time
he's tried them. So it's been like a new
introduction, but it is such a unique experience.
Even the like sour tangerine. My mouth feels cool.
Yeah, it's got a cooling sensation like a menthol, but it
don't taste it. Yeah, you.
See, That was a good hit. It's hazy as shit in here.
That's awesome. OK, let's.
Go back that second hit Pineapple Express.
It just, like, illuminating. Yeah, it is.
It's. Really nice and what's really
nice and and now I gotta tell you, you know we gotta figure
out what to do with these guys. I love this mint now dude this
thing is awesome. Get yourself some of these.
As Brandon said, Dick sucker mitts and.
See like the Watermelon more or the Mint one.
You know what, dude? I'm excited to try them all.
I know. They're really, really, really.
Good. It reminds me of Ice Breakers,
the like minty ones that have the different flavors with them.
Like here there's like Raspberry Icebreaker and you're like, oh
cool. Well dude, and you got to think
about level of of dry mouth. If you've got like super cotton
mouth where it feels like sand, probably want to go to two 5300.
That's true any. Other website.
I'm sure they explain everything.
Yeah, but it's so cool. Oh, I'm sorry guys.
We just went off out of tangent there.
But this is really cool as our first time trying it was like,
you know, why don't we give her the shot?
Like we're I picked up this 8th and I was like, man, let's let's
smoke this. So it's been interesting when we
looked at the actual countries around the world that have
legalized. Yeah.
Cannabis. It's only like a good handful.
We have Canada. Yeah.
Germany, Georgia, Luxembourg, Malta, Mexico, South Africa,
Thailand, Uruguay. Like 24 states in the US, Three
territories, the District of Columbia and then Australia.
Wow, so, but only the ACT in Australia.
Well, you look at Australia for Australian listeners like you
know what's cool about Australia is that it's so big but a very
small portion of it is actually habitable.
So it's that's awesome that it's it's you know they're making
progress over there. I know that they're striving to
make more progress with in in other countries and and United
States has a big responsibility in that and that's.
Why? Oh, it says 38 states in the US.
Have have medical, have have approved cannabis legal.
Medical use. Right.
And there's like 24 that are wreck.
Yeah. And and the well, but that
number could change. I believe Ohio just came online
and that just this, and if you're listening to this, in the
month of April, the 1st of April, they brought the bill to
voters. In you were saying Idaho?
In Florida oh, Florida went Florida to.
Wreck. Oh, that'd be cool, 'cause they
do have a current medical program, but if they have a.
Shit load of dispensaries. Yeah.
And that could be good, depending on who their cultivars
are and where the beginning product come from.
Well, in in Florida, it has the largest testing facility.
On the East Coast is in Florida, it is the largest testing
facility. And I'm saying that based upon
the evidence they found over there, 'cause it is the largest
one as far as being able to put out volume of testing.
Is there a competitor in that area?
Are there many competitors in that area?
Is the test results from the same person across the same
board? Is that one who's the largest?
Are they the are they honest or is it just they do the most
through there And because even like when we went through the
grow here, he stated. Like you know, a lot of people
will go to the ones that they know, give them the results they
want. When they were talking about
California, absolutely. That's the one thing I don't.
Know Florida's? Well, no and and and that's a
good point because when these states come online and the
producers of cannabis as well as testing facilities, you also
have another responsibility of being able to say, OK, well we
need to set the bar high enough so it doesn't do that.
Now, luckily in Utah, we don't have very many testing
facilities at all for the because we don't have a ton of
dispensaries. We have very We have a.
Literally, yeah. Because they limit the licenses
of the dispensaries, which and. It'll increase in time.
I hope because for those who have medical programs, I and I,
this is where I look at. Florida's where they're like,
oh, we've got 135. I'm like, good, because as long
as your regulator, like as long as the quality and you have a
standard of quality, it doesn't matter how many dispensaries you
have. It's the growers, the
cultivators, and like the people who are creating your
extractions and the products, your dispensaries are just the
one selling it. Yeah, and that, but the, I like
the number of dispensaries, 'cause that shows a healthy
cannabis market. Yeah, like that means the
ability for growers and and it's like with the growers that we
talk to. From you, you to me, we live 30
minutes apart. Yeah, I wouldn't say that's too
far, but however in between us is four or five cities at least
that we can go. And we have what?
1/2. 2. 3. Two.
Just two. So the one in.
One in Lehigh and then one in. Provo, That's.
It we have two dispensaries between you and me.
Oh yeah. And then the next closest one is
Springville. So then you add in all these
things and you're like, how many cities, like how far do people
have to drive does? Draper have one.
They might, yeah. But then you're like, how far do
you have to drive to go to the pharmacy?
OK. Well, for me to go to the
pharmacy then I'm what, 30-40 minutes if I'm lucky?
Well, and you've got people further like in the middle of
going down South, right? So in Cedar City, Saint George
area, you're gonna be able to find more dispensaries down
there that are a little bit closer to you.
But think about all those people in between.
And so that's where it's a rough edge.
You like when we're talking about legalization for adult use
when that that's a great way to being able to look at it.
But the other part is like, well, are we going to get more
Cowboys? Are we going to get more product
being out there? I think it depends on the
growers and what regulations they have on the initial
products. Like you said, it's great if we
have a lot of dispensaries or pharmacies because that's just
the end of store where people can purchase it as long as we
have the regulations and that on the on the Cowboys, on the
farmers, on the. Well, can we talk about testing,
right? And that's where I think, 'cause
like in California, you can get it fudged.
You can go to legitimate testing one and then they get another
testing 1 going well. We can change it for a price.
And you know what? Whatever, that's that's
competitiveness, That's consumerism.
They're making those changes because they want to make the
sale and those other people want to get the product out there.
The problem that comes with it and why it's so important, and
that's why I think that it it's it's gonna be harder for
regulations to be able to open up.
I mean, we've got 38 states out of 50.
That's pretty fucking awesome. Yeah, we're 12 shy.
Yeah, that's not bad. And and some of the biggest,
like we've gone through, like whether it's completely illegal
in the United States, like, you know what?
I know. Wow.
Was it Wyoming? Wisconsin, let me pull it up.
Texas. Prohibited North Carolina, South
Carolina, Tennessee and Wyoming. Yeah, Idaho's a kind of a given,
But these? Yeah, right.
But I'm surprised on some of those.
And I'm like, OK, when is it? But we see that around the
country or around the globe. I'm looking at this globe and
it's like, all right, here's like all of these ones where
it's illegal or an unknown. It's most of the world is in a
in a place where they look at it and they're like, Oh no, it's
illegal. Yeah.
But then they have selective and illegal but tolerated.
Yeah, like you, you zoom in and you see those pink areas and
you're like, oh, that's cool. But then in South Africa, legal
but obstructed, meaning that it's too hard to enforce.
So they just don't enforce it. Like they've already got other
shit going on over there that's like, oh, somebody's smoking.
Yeah, we're cool, no worries. And we'll put that image up on
the screen at sometime during the podcast where you can kind
of see this kind of map of where it's legally illegal.
But again, because it's building up so much momentum, I'm really
excited to see the states. Now here's the question that I
want to be able to to to propose to you is are you more in favor
for adult use to be across the board or medical and it's not
picking one side or the. Other It's tough.
I look at both sides and I see the pros and the cons, like I
see value in both. Right now I see, I see there's
tobacco already has adult use, I see alcohol has adult use, and I
don't really see medical value for those.
Because children are going to be able to.
Get their and they're going to use those anyway.
And yet we're looking at this as a medicine on we already hold
medical values and properties and selling medical like
medicines on the pharmaceutical level of these chemical
compounds like. So why don't we at least approve
that and go, hey, at least it's medical, but even then it's
like, OK, well, but it also is adult use, so it's an adult use.
So why not? Like, why not give that access
going? We can have adult use because
there is any parent, any adult, any person who's past a certain
age can make that decision, can go, yeah, I'm going to put this
in my body. I'm OK with this because we do
that all the time. But this thing is not regulated.
But it is. Yeah, and it's kind of the weird
and the weird side laws that they have or or restrictions if
you will, restriction in this state.
You can't burn it, but you can vaporize it.
That's just strange. Yeah.
And like I understand it on certain levels where you're
going. All right, Well, then you don't
get carcinogens if you don't ignite.
It not as many, yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, I don't know.
There's proven carcinogens that come from baking it.
It might in certain temperature ranges if you do it too high or
too whatever, but but again I would on.
Average I'd. Have to look it up and see.
Exactly. And then and then we have talked
about that we're vaporizers. Although we absolutely love our
bong, it is good, but a vaporizer is more convenient.
You know what my favorite is to do with this?
I guess not my favorite, but I do like to do it sometimes
because I still like to put the vaporizer in it and then it's
like the smoothest thing ever because this is the most amazing
bond. But if you were to utilize that
with a vaporizer with it too, then it's just like so smooth.
Yeah, and it's way more convenient and that's where I'm
I'm thinking about like with these laws that are coming up,
you know why are they becoming, why are more states wanting to
look at a medical in. A lot of it comes down to is the
voters. It's the voters 100%.
So if you don't think you can make an impact, your vote
actually counts also. I mean, we've talked about it
off and on for so long. A lot of the issues, a lot of
the concerns, a lot of the things I feel like stem from
fear, from what everyone's been taught for so long.
It's all the same mindset of like, hey, marijuana was a scary
drug. Yeah, but I I even look.
I mean Idaho would be 1. Yeah.
So with that, I wonder if like going into a medical program
going, hey, we're not going to allow this for adults.
We know that it helps with this or it helps with this, but we
don't want everyone using that because we still see it as
making people stupid and dumb and all of this.
But if there's medical value, then maybe the people who need
it for medicine can use it for that, you know?
So. Well, and then that.
That's the door that's opening the doorway.
But also right there, and you bring up a good point.
The point is, is that yes, if they perceive it as being stupid
then it backed down to the consumer.
Well, even you and me, when you had talked about it, you were
like, hey, you know, even sometimes I think my mind, even
in the back of it, am I smoking too much?
And you're like, well, is it these mind, Like these ideas I'm
thinking of come from all of these ideas that I've been
taught my whole life. Not necessarily a bad thing, but
it's just so ingrained, I think on the human, you know, we've
been taught for so long that it's like, it's really hard,
even if you believe it on that. Like how many times do I think,
man, do I feel addicted? Do I feel like I'm relying on
this? And like all these things that
I'm like, OK, am I, am I pulling these things from Dare?
Am I pulling these things from like all the the things that
I've grown up knowing? Or is it from like and it's fine
if it is where it's fine if it's from another one.
But, you know, it's just that understanding.
Even you and me or someone who's been in cannabis for ages might
still sometimes find that their mind might still have a pull
from some old idea or theory or something that might not be what
you hold on to every day. But for some reason, in a moment
you find that you're getting pulled to that.
So maybe for all these people who have no understanding of it,
you know it still is a very it's.
Different. It's an age thing too.
Because you know, when you brought up the DARE program, was
it successful? No, it wasn't successful.
It it was some politician's wet dream to make sure that they
were giving what the administration at the time was
proposing. They really wanted change or
whatever that meant. But I I honestly, it's not even
the worry of dare. Like dare never got me there.
The one thing always that it comes back to is somebody that I
know got arrested and actually serving time.
So I think that's where a lot of it comes from is that and
letting go of that part where you're not going to serve time.
We're talking about how these states are trying to come online
like Florida. The one of the biggest
components against it is that they're like well you know,
underage. I mean that's always a thing
that's a that's a given that I think that's that's a generic
answer. But the other part is it's DUIS
or public intoxication and again that goes back down to the user.
That's why it's so important to go low and slow and so.
On that, I'm gonna get your thoughts on that.
So say you're out not not testing a product, but like say
you're out and about and even even you have a medical card you
get pulled over kind of stops you.
He's like, Oh yeah, you're you're under the influence or
whatever. He wants to test you.
How do you feel or do you feel there is a good way to test
that? Because my dose to yours, I
might have the same particulates per million in my bloodstream as
you do, but yet you might feel way more intoxicated.
Than oh, totally. I think that just comes down to
you know, knowing your limit. What's the limit?
Because they're not gonna. See how.
They it's just is it in your system?
And then it's OK. Well, I might metabolize really
fast, so my high might not even last as long, so it might still
show up in my blood. But then they're like, well, but
you have this many parts per million.
OK, but I am 100% there. There is no time distortion, no
like distance distortion. There's nothing there that is
manipulating how I feel. Well, and then it comes back to
what were you doing to be able to get pulled over exactly, I
mean and and I will say. This make them think that you're
high in the first place. Well, I mean, think about this
dude. Like, the last time I was pulled
over was over 13 years ago. Wow that.
Makes sense though. Because of my light.
I'm thinking about how you drive.
That makes a lot of sense. I'm a very conservative, very
passive driver because I would rather get there alive.
All I'm thinking is I'm in this machine that weighs thousands of
pounds and it's going very fast. Like it's.
Bro, it's you ever rode with my dad.
Just that's how we always drove. And then Curtis.
And so I feel like. I've driven with Curtis so many
times and just like, yeah, terrifying.
Let. Me try another one of these.
Same with my dad. Terrifies this shit out of me,
but I am way more way mellow. Like in comparison to 1015 years
ago. Oh my gosh, I get pulled over
every once in a while. Yeah, I know.
I think that's funny. But I haven't had a ticket, I
feel like in maybe five years. Last ticket I got was over 20
years ago. OK, but even my SO, the last 2-3
times that I had gotten pulled over, I still had cannabis in my
system. I actually feel incredibly
normal. Like, it's so hard for me to
feel displaced that most of the time I'm OK, comfortable driving
in a vehicle with cannabis in my system because it takes a
ludicrous amount for me to play, like actually feel displaced,
right? And so I'm like, OK, there's
been so many times. So every time I had gotten
pulled over, there's cannabis in my system.
But I talked to that police officer just fine.
There was never an issue and there was never a concern, a
question or anything of Sir, are you high?
Sir? Are you under the influence,
like ever? And so I'm like, I I know it
happens to people, but I'm very curious into what were you
doing? What was the smell like?
Were your eyes like crazy? Like were you acting high?
Was your car? Was there things in your car
that were making it look like you were under the influence?
Like officer comes up to my car, it's clean, there's nothing
there. Maybe my drink in my cup holder,
if that. Like it's usually very clean.
I've had way too many interactions getting pulled over
in my life, getting tickets. I'm always respectful.
Well, it goes back to projection is perception.
Because if I if I emanate that I am a Stoner or that I am using
cannabis at the moment like. Or if you come off afraid,
'cause you're nervous, going, oh crap, I'm doing something wrong.
I'm nervous I'm going to get in trouble.
And all that happens is if I get pulled over, I go, all right,
cool, well, this is normal for me.
Nothing's changing for me, except for now I'm engaging with
someone, right? So now all I need to do is look
at the situation, Go. What's going on?
How can I help you? Yeah.
And that's the thing, you know, honestly.
And one thing I will say, I know there's a lot of racial
profiling with that. I'm not going to deny that.
And that's just part of the the culture that will be eventually
weed its way out of law enforcement.
You have to remember this is decades upon decades upon
decades of compounding interest of these things are bad.
You protect good people, put away bad people.
And then it's accounting, OK, these are bad people.
And then it's perpetuated from the longest time.
And you're like, OK, but they're not like there.
There's bad people everywhere, there's good people everywhere.
And you're gonna run into both. But it's not just always
assuming that every person you see, whether it's you know and
even just like profiling of cars or motorcycles or like this
person's big and has tattoos, or that person's like yellow,
green, black, purple, whatever the hell color they are and
they're looking at it and going, oh, they're different.
Or they're. Well, I mean, you know with
cannabis being illegal because of, you know Mexicans and blacks
and then it just perpetuated from there like I even thought
about that like and and I'm curious, you guys got a story.
Are you are you of Asian descent and you've been profiled for
breaking the law. Probably not.
I mean maybe in Hawaii just because I've.
I've been there and yeah, I mean you know it's not not it's not
just not just the polly's there but but you think about like
wherever you're at, if you're acting a certain way then you
will get certain attention. So like I said, the last time I
got a ticket and it was my fault, I was falling too close
and a tiny Fender Bender. That was my bad.
But there was a Fender Bender involved, so that's also
different. That's totally different, yeah.
When have I ever been pulled over for speeding or any of that
other stuff? And I do speed from time to
time. But.
Yeah, I do. But I mean, I'm not always
vanilla when it comes to driving all I keep thinking, I mean
after you have it, it just when your responsibilities get higher
in life and then you get older, you start to think about like I
used to drive like you and your and your brother.
Well, see now. You're not as in.
My cruise at like 75 and I'll just set my cruise.
But that's the thing. You don't look like somebody to
begin. I mean, I will let you guys know
this Brandon has been in cuffs and in jail.
I have never been. I've been in cuffs, but I
usually talk my way out. But Brandon has been, and he's.
For, like, stupid. And he's always in the stupid
shit, wrong place, wrong time. But even then, though, thinking
about now, if you got pulled over, I don't think you would be
suspicious. Enough going.
I need to test this guy. He was a If you're driving, and
you are clearly high, if I'm on a really strong indica for me
because some sativas put people down, it's just your
endocannabinoid system. Nobody's the same, but if I am
really high, I'm not driving anywhere and that's a rarity.
Me too. But that's because I actually
like if you feel really high, you don't want to drive.
No. And I know that because, I mean,
it's been ages since I felt that way.
Well, Pineapple Express I could drive on this.
Oh 100%. I don't feel it was funny.
I had went over and saw Mcquay and we, I brought some flour.
We had a couple joints. It was great.
And after the couple joints and maybe 30-40 minutes, I'm sitting
there and I'm like, all right, well, I gotta head out to drive
back, gotta go get my kid from school the end of the day.
And he was like, what? You're OK?
And I'm like, I don't feel anything.
I feel just fine. Yes, I'm OK to drive.
And he's like, Oh my gosh, I'm like, I don't feel high.
I don't have your endocannabinoid.
System and and on top of that, McLean doesn't use as frequently
as Uri. You know, I I consume on a on a
decent day, I can consume like 3 maybe four times a day.
If I'm really using. I mean, it's literally every two
hours. Yeah, I'm probably smoking, if
not earlier than that. See if I'm consuming and like,
'cause I heard or like actually just consuming probably like 3-4
times an hour, yeah? So quick, quick break again,
'cause I'm I'm taking these mints, so when you increase, Oh
yeah, dosage did. You take two this time.
No, I just went up. So I took 100 on the first one,
the, the 100 milligram, you can say I took the 150 cherry.
Yeah, I'm just think, 'cause the other one, just 100.
It's for slight cottonmouth, this one a little bit more and I
started getting more cottonmouth than I started to click.
And I I know the audience absolutely hates it.
So give the charity a try. Or even like the higher dose
ones 'cause it's gonna. Try the cinnamon.
It's 300 cinnamon. Ginger What?
Oh dude, that sounds great. Wow, that sounds delicious.
That's a dose stoners. But see, that's the thing like,
you know, and and for law enforcement that listens to
this, I guarantee there are, I hope some DEA agents listen to
this. But you know, I I'm wondering
what your judgement is on it now, knowing what you know.
Or are you still of the old school going?
Yeah, I smoke it, but it's bad, so I gotta bust.
It so on that I'm very I'm very curious because I feel like
there should be A to test someone behind the wheel even
ahead of time of going like. Yeah, but it's so hard to know,
right? But it's like I I wish you could
find someone's dose of like, hey, where is it?
Even with like a simulator or something.
Because I would be curious to simulate or test with highway
patrolmen. I would go sit with cops.
I will go drive with you guys didn't.
They do a test here in Utah. No, but they did.
Alcohol. They did test.
They've done that everywhere. They did one that I watched with
joints and Highway Patrol in another state and what they had
done is basically. Smoked a joint.
Couple joints. So basically there was a medical
user, there was like a person who used maybe like once a month
or something like that, maybe once a day.
And then someone who like never used.
And every person was basically fine to drive until they had
almost smoked an entire gram. Jeez, that's a lot.
Yeah, I think. And so I mean.
For me, that's a lot. But it was like even response
times and things, they felt OK and the testing response times
were fine. The only one who is more medical
use was like, yeah, I know they didn't really see much of A
delay at all. That's crazy.
But that's because they medically use it all the time.
It's a different dose, it's a different interaction than
someone who's like I, I socially use this, I recreationally use
this. I adult use this with friends
once a month. Like very different.
Yeah, yeah. And I I think that now with 38
states having the ability to be able to consume cannabis either
medically or recreationally, I think the wreck side is a lot,
is a lot more than than just the medical side.
I do like it that more states are coming on wreck, but at the
same time I just think that the regulations need to be more
strict. I think we need to be looking to
our neighbors to the north, 'cause they are very strict on
it and they have a lot of high quality products like Canadians
that I know and they're just like, dude, some of the best
weed are is out here and that's like, OK, cool, but we had it.
Legal for a while. But even then though, I mean
cannabis has been grown in California forever.
But we have no regulation. That's our problem is we don't
have a cross the board regulation on anything and even
in California we found shitty ass products.
No. Bad products.
And there's products that you know we've seen in the news and
stuff that have gotten you know called back or people having
issues and that. So it's we just don't have the
regulation but like you said look to the neighbors to the
north and. Yeah.
What are they doing so well? Because they've pretty much
decriminalized it in in many aspects.
So it's not taboo or anything like that.
The you can't tell me that you know, the the rates of violent
acts like, you know, 'cause that's what it's typically
assumed. It's gonna be like Back in the
day, the assumptions were there was gonna be more lawlessness,
there was gonna be more vandalism and robbery.
I don't think so. I don't think so, but I think
it's just because of the past perception that it's it's a hard
transition for people to make for those who have been against
it, because it's almost the same thing with smoking cigarettes.
For me. I demonize cigaretes because I
smoked them. They did no good for me.
Well, I don't know anyone who it does good for.
Well, I know that tobacco, in certain medicinal ways, is good.
But most people aren't smoking. Just tobacco, no.
So they're they're full on. I mean and that's that's why
that smoking cannabis cannot be placed in the same bucket.
Yes, it is carcinogens that are going into your system.
If you burn. It yeah, if you burn it.
But with vaporizers and new vaporizers coming online all the
time, even Dragonfly was saying that they're building out a new
one. Yeah, their own model.
Yeah, Utah guys, it's going. To be like 50-60.
Bucks. Yeah, around that.
Super, super affordable for vaporizer.
That's affordable. Yeah, we'll let you guys know
when that comes out and we'll have to show it off.
People let us know about what's going on in your state.
What are the things that you're seeing?
Are you seeing a gradual progression?
And as the as the perception of cannabis as being less and less
of a a bad thing and just being accepted as normal.
I look at it as the same way it should be where people go to
their grocery store and buy a case of beer.
Yeah, I'm buying a brand, I'm buying.
I'm buying the flavor. I'm buying the feel.
The only thing that I'm I'm more for is that if you smoke too
much, you're just going to pass out.
If you drink too much, you're probably going to do some real
stupid shit, yeah? Or you might kill yourself from.
Alcohol poisoning. Alcohol poisoning?
Yeah. Versus falling asleep.
Yeah. Yeah.
Seriously. Or just getting super paranoid
and either you go to the ER or you tough it out or you're smart
because you listen to this podcast and.
You take some CBD. And take some lemon juice.
Absolutely. Like, do that and and you'll
start to see a lot more, you know.
You know, it's surprising. Even dragonfly.
I was up there and the pharmacist budtender that was
there didn't know about drinking lemon juice.
Most people don't. And I was like, bro, 'cause I
was talking to him and he's like, oh, have you tried this
drain? He's like, no, it really makes
me anxious. And I just, I don't like that.
So I try and stick towards these ones.
I was like, oh, well, if you ever notice that you are feeling
that, do you ever use CBD? And he's like, no.
And I was like, well, CBD is good, but if you have lemon
juice, it'll bring down like the heart palpitations and that
anxious feeling that you get. And it'll lessen your high a
little. Bit, but it's almost
instantaneous. Oh yeah, like so it's within
like 5 to 20 seconds that you're almost feeling a difference.
A noticeable difference. Exactly.
Like what? I have to try that tonight.
I'm like you should. And that because that type of
education isn't out there and it's just through trial and
error, you know, it's how I experimented so much of myself
and because I would get. Too high.
Sometimes smoking with you I would get too high.
What? Because I'm just trying to keep
up. Don't do that.
Well, no. I I mean, I've learned my
lesson. I don't do that anymore.
I I know where my limit is. I was.
Telling everyone at home. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, you know what? Maybe one day we'll have oh, go
live. Yeah.
I was like. We'll do a, We'll do a.
Smoke off for those who actually want to keep up and then, you
know, we'll see. Oh, that'd be cool.
Yeah, that'd be way cool. We should do a smoke off.
We'll do some content around that.
That'd be hilarious. One of my other cousins, she was
like, when we talked about doing the smoke off, she was like,
cool, well, how do you want to start?
And I was like, well, we could start with edibles and then
maybe some tabs and then, I don't know, smoke some joints or
something. And it was like what type of,
like what dose of edible do you want?
And she was like, well, if we're starting, like, if we're doing
the same to see who greens out first, then maybe I should do
yours. And I was like, well, I just
fuck around with 200 and I don't feel it.
So do you want me to start you at 200?
And she was like, oh, fuck. I mean, I guess, I guess that's
what we're doing. But yeah, I I guess so.
We still have yet to record that but.
Oh my God, No way. No way.
It's too much. Yeah, it would be intense.
I couldn't do that. Like, I could do a smoke off and
I'd probably get, I mean, if it was this, if it was this, like
right now, I feel pretty good on it.
This is, it's really nice. I'm the Betty.
I don't feel heart palpitations. I don't feel, I feel like a
little bit relaxed but not like. Not too, not heavy, but it's
weird. It's heavy on my eyes a little
bit but I'm, I'm very awake so I know my blood vessels in my eyes
are really opened up. They're so.
Relaxed. I feel that my eyelids feel a
little, but not like I don't feel tired at all.
It's just like I have weights almost on my eyelids.
Yeah see for those states that are not and I know that you got
you're listening in states that it's illegal and.
And countries it's illegal. Yeah, and you know what?
Just it's because of these moments that we get to be able
to enjoy like Brandon and I, I mean we we meet every week to to
be able to create these episodes, but we get to consume
cannabis together and there's a union behind that and I want
more people to feel closer to one another as opposed to just
being able to say, well, it is what it is.
And honestly, for those who do partake and well, if you're
nervous about partaking with others, it's actually super
enjoyable. If you can find a strain, that
one's really good. The sour tangerine.
If you can find a strain that doesn't make you crazy paranoid,
like if that's something you're into, Like if you that happens
that you get really paranoid. Find a good mellow strain.
Yeah, find some friends. Social smoking, like having a
session together, is one of the most enjoyable things you can
do. I think so.
And you know, for for those that are listening over there, stay
safe if you're an illegal place. I know you already are, but
don't get too paranoid about it. But we're glad that you're
partaking and continue to just just put this cannabis in a
positive light. It's up to you to put this in a
positive light. It's not the lawmakers the
reason why it's legal in our state, which is an ultra
conservative state, but it's it shifts a little bit here and
there now more than it ever has, but it's because over 70% of the
population wanted it so. Well, it's 'cause people, people
like me, people like you, went around and got signatures from
people all over the state going, hey, we need, yeah, Would you be
OK? Are you?
We're trying to get medical cannabis for patients in the
state here and we went around and got enough signatures to get
it on a ballot to go, yeah, we want this here in Utah.
Yeah, and it that means if Utah can do it, that means Idaho can
do it. Texas can do it.
Wisconsin. Wyoming can do it.
Yeah, South Carolina can do it. Yeah, all of the countries
around the world. Well, I know that.
Germany has been able to do some new yeah laws where you can grow
your own and you can consume. You just can't openly consume
like in public. I mean, that makes sense.
There's a lot of places that open consumption isn't big
because it's it's the same with alcohol.
And you know, if you're gonna consume in public, that's where
you got your carts. Yeah, carts are less smell, less
suspicious, and it's cool. It's not as best as flour, but
it's still pretty good. Yeah, it'll still do the job
sometimes. And you know, if you're if
you're in a pinch or if you're really hurt or whatever it is,
yeah, that pen will do. And if you're if you are
lawmakers over there and you're listening to this and you're
thinking, you know, why would I, I want cannabis in my state.
Look at the technology that's been developed over the last
four years and you can see this amazing progression.
Just in the last two years alone they have been able to create
some amazing cannabis related. Products.
I think The thing is, and this is the the hard realization
maybe for most politicians or people sitting behind that
Anyways, cannabis is in your state, cannabis is in your
country. Oh yeah.
The only difference is do you want to have it regulated and
have quality products or do you want to have it black market and
legacy products? Yeah, that's the one thing and I
I will end on on saying this is that in Florida one of their
biggest biggest issues over there is that if it's not
legalized and this is the pro side, I I actually talked
against it. But on the pro side what they're
really trying to make sure is, is that black market cannabis is
not getting into the hands. I feel bad for those border
states because they're still getting Mexican schwag, nasty
weed, right? And it's not all bad in Mexico.
I'm going to say that there's some probably great cannabis out
there, but when they're grown the way they are grown outside,
just tossed out, barely water. Level of quality and.
You are. They have levels of fentanyl in
it. And I think that's a personal
choice. I mean, maybe people get it
dosed. I don't know if you had somebody
die from fentanyl. I'm so sorry.
That sucks. And if cannabis was involved in
it, this is the biggest reason why, when you have legal
cannabis to consume. You can have regulated quality
products that don't have. Anything like that, why would
you? I mean, it's not like I'm going
to some random dude buying chicken and steak from him.
Like hey, do you have these on the like, no, I'm going to go
get it from somewhere that really has to be able to look
at. I mean, I know conspiracy and
and facts, you know, food systems fucked up.
But regardless, it's almost the same thing.
Like I at least know that there's some regulatory process
that makes sure that I get the highest quality, which makes it
I don't want to consume garbage home grown crap that really I
don't know what they did. If Brandon, if you grew it, I
would smoke it because I know how much love, care and
attention you give it. And you have tons of plants
around your house and you keep those things well and alive.
I know that those things would be even better with you.
And so it's it, You know, I would I buy from Brandon as a
plug. Fuck yeah.
I don't know if I would grow my own this.
More on the personal side a. 100% If I ever got to that
point, I would grow because I thought about how many tinctures
and edibles. Like I could justify making, you
know, 1G edibles. Like I could have 1000
milligrams a day and never blink an eye and it wouldn't matter
because I would be able to grow all my own product.
Yeah, and that would be cool and that.
That when I look at cost effectiveness, for me to go buy
that much product to go through 1000 milligrams in a day, I'm
like, I I can't justify spending that much.
I don't feel like that makes sense to me.
But for my medical use, like if I do that, I have way less pain.
Like I feel so much better, but it's like an insane amount of
product to go through. Yeah.
And again, that's it's on us as the voters in these states.
I mean, you know when it comes to like the president and stuff
like that, like it's really hard to say if your vote really
counts. But when it comes to these laws
that are local for you on a federal level, yes, it's
illegal. But we have more states come on
board that's when we're going to start seeing 40 out.
Of 50 like what's the what is the federal government going to
do? At that point, they really can't
do anything and that's where we can probably see
decriminalization across the board because instead of passing
laws just say look increase the tax like you do on on alcohol
and. Tobacco, even gas, like all of
these things have it. And then I look at it and go
Colorado, all of these states who have put in taxable funding,
granted Colorado's taxes? Fucking insane.
It's like 23 or 26. Percent, Yeah, that's pretty
brutal. So high.
But if they could have a normal margin of tax and still have
that, they could still make ludicrous amounts for their like
for the government, for that actual state itself that can go
to schools, that can go to infrastructure, that can go to
all sorts of growth and development.
Yeah, and you have a happier citizens.
Yeah. And so it's like, OK, you could
take away death overdoses because you do take away people
on pain meds. You take pain Med occasion users
and a lot of them can utilize cannabis.
And even to be able to detox and get off of that, I I know many
people that have used cannabis to get off of drugs, get off of
alcohol and it it's it's been a real life saver for him.
You know, will it be a cure all for everything?
Absolutely not. Will it help?
Out of you that it can still help with.
Well, and the cool thing is that you can continue to try
different strains as opposed to taking different medications.
That you got to hope and pray, but the side effects don't
outweigh the effectiveness. But with cannabis, you don't
have to worry. About that, think about it.
OK, so say you had you went and got a few different strains.
Yeah. If you have a negative side
effect from a medication, how long do you have to take that
medication to see if that side effect goes away before they
switch you to another one or? Before you have to go to the ER.
Yeah, but like how? It's not usually instantaneous,
but if you smoke something and you're like, yeah, this one
makes me anxious. Cool.
You take some lemon juice and you don't smoke that one, you go
smoke a different one. Yeah, and get a small amount.
And then it can instantly change that experience and you go, oh
cool, I like that one. Well, now you're not having to
take a bunch more medication and having to go call your doctor
and go, hey, I need to find a different one, 'cause this gives
me this. Well, we're going to, we're
going to try one. You know, it might be a few
weeks of you trying it to see how it goes versus like you use
it once and go, oh, that that felt weird.
I didn't like that. Well, and that's one of the
things that I really liked about select as their little, their
little. 3rd of a gram third. Of a gram pens because it's a
great way to test it and not to get really financially involved,
like it's 20 bucks to get one of those and that's great and you
can test it and that's a great gateway.
Out in like states where you can buy flour by the gram.
You can get that so cheap sometimes, and so you could buy
a gram of a ton of different strains, because if you're new,
a gram will still. BE Yeah, I remember that.
Like teeny tiny little bags and just a gram of flour.
Like, here's a nug of this, here's a nug of this and that
would last you for ages. I was like, oh shit, what?
Yeah, it's like those tubes that I have.
Like I I have to fill up my tubes more often now.
But it's exactly that. It's it just and again it goes
back to you. It's all in your responsibility
if you want it legalized. More places be that example so
that they want to pass more laws.
Don't show up as the Stoner. They're like, hey, I'm like, I
can't function, I can't talk, I can't enunciate or like put out
a coherent sentence. You know, if you really want to
show that cannabis is something you want out there, don't be.
Like, hey, I'm rooting for alcohol and I'm going to show up
ship faced, drunk, make alcohol illegal, No, show up as a decent
human being that they look at and go, OK, this person showing
up saying they want cannabis, OK, well now it's not the
alcoholic who's staggering with his beard, spilling it going.
Make alcohol. Yeah, like I meant any of those.
Me. But I but I've seen them.
That's the image of what we portray in some of it when we
show up going make this, this, this, and it's like, OK, what
are you pushing out like? It's great that you want it
legal. What's your energy you're
putting out? What do people see?
Do you not see what you're putting out?
You're going. This is what I want.
OK, well, why? Yeah.
Is this how it makes you? Makes sense.
Makes sense 'cause. That's all they're gonna see.
Well, and then then the perception, you know, the
projection is perception. So if you're putting it out
there, then that is the perceived thing.
And then that turns in to what they think that perception is
actual truth, and we've got to break that as individuals, so
continue to do that. I'm thinking about it here.
When we had cannabis going through and getting legalized in
Utah, there was one of the people who had been petitioning
trying to get it to go through here.
And she was up in front of the board or like in front of like
the house, all of the Utah people.
And she said like, fuck because she was pissed and she, like,
swore at him. And I was like, I understand
that you're frustrated. This is, it's the same as, like
watching Trump and Biden have their little stupid arguments.
And I'm like, OK, there's no real work getting done here.
There's no real discussion. Like nothing's happening.
It's like they just show up and start throwing shit at each
other and it's like, all right, let's have a real discussion,
though. Let's step back from shit
flinging and just talk. Because when you get, when you
get so emotionally attached and you're flinging shit, nothing's
happening. No one's getting anywhere.
You're just standing there all covered in shit and going, no,
no, I'm mad, OK, cool. Well, like.
And that's usually what we see when, like, political debates
and that now I feel like it hasn't turned into like any, any
progressive thing that happens, any, like, real valuable
movement in the discussion. It's just like flinging shit
'cause everyone's mad. A lot of people just want to be
right and and that's hard. And so instead of being right,
what's good? You know, how can we create good
for everybody instead of just thinking about?
Ourselves, 'cause maybe, honestly, there's got to be.
Both sides have their point, of course, but it's if that
person's making that point, what is their point?
And is the person on the other side?
Are they even hearing him or they listening?
Like, is it waiting for them to stop talking and then
steamrolling them with whatever point?
They're not actually listening or hearing that other side, or
the objection or whatever it is. It's just wait for it, wait for
it, wait for it. Seam roll you like and it's like
all right, it's it's the most disappointing display of like
anything, education, humanity, like it is really disappointing
to watch any of those. And I think, you know,
especially with approach, for anything that people are
passionate about, passion is great, passion is fantastic.
That's where beautiful art and all these things come from.
That's where music comes from, I guess, where so much in life
comes from. But if you have too much passion
in moments like I feel like. I think there's a line that's no
longer passion, it becomes an exception.
Yeah, an obsession and and obsession can be good in many
ways, but you know when it comes to the perception of cannabis
and and how we can be able to create better ideas just like
you said, Like when she was mad and she said fuck, all she was
doing was throwing a fit and you know there's a time and place
for that. But when you're trying to be
able to get people to see your side, you can't attack them as
you just stated. Can't show up like.
That yeah, you can't attack if you're trying to be able to get
a point across. Your job is to motivate and
inspire them to be able to look at it from a different angle.
So think of. Your and you're not going to be
motivational or inspirational if you're yelling at him and
swearing at him. And that's the way that you're
able to move the needle. It took me, it took like what,
four years for three or four years for cannabis to get
legalized in this state. Yeah, I think it was 2016 when
they were pulling, getting signatures and probably about
2020 by the time the program was out.
Yeah, it was a while but I mean now it's it's doing well, it
continues to grow. It still has some negative
stipulations from those other people and the way to be able to
do it is not necessarily slap them in the head going.
You know, you need to see all of the evidence cause the evidence
doesn't sway people. You can give them speeds and
feeds and they're just going to go.
But that's your perspective. That's, you know, like what we
discussed about, you know, with the the head of the, the, the
precursor to the DEA like. Oh, he took it.
Henry Anslinger. Yeah, Anslinger, where he's just
like, yeah, your evidence is not my evidence, and that's why I'm
gonna discount it. But the more of us are asking
for cannabis. They weren't then 'cause it
wasn't seen as big thing, yeah. People didn't understand it
because it was it wasn't cannabis.
It was marijuana. And marijuana wasn't over
counter medications for the last longest time, no.
So marijuana was this new scary thing that all of a sudden
jumped in. So it's like now introducing
cannabis again. Going cannabis has been medicine
for so long. Yeah.
And and it continues to be so, yeah.
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it. Get their minds open to cannabis
and see that it doesn't always have to be a bunch of stoners
having fun and just talking about stupid shit like that's
fun, but I can't do it too much. Right, and if you guys have
episode ideas for the sash or for cannabis, one O ones, shoot
em. Over Shoot em an e-mail or go
below on Spotify to the Q&A and drop a below.
Yeah. All right, guys.
Take care.