I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse we're.
Cannabis school having cannabis infused conversations with
everyday. People.
Cannabis companies. Celebrities.
And your mom? Welcome to the sesh.
Jesse was like, hey, there's this metal band and we should
have them on, my guy. Yeah, I mean, the prerequisite
is like, do you guys smoke weed? And you're like, yes, I'm like,
welcome aboard. That's all you have to do.
All right, so were you on acid when you bought your hoodie or
did you only get it to like do acid on and stare at I?
This would be really intense to stare.
At Oh my God, yeah, I'm like looking at that shit.
Super cool though. So it's it's.
A clip it's Yeah. Clip It's from a manga artist
named Junji Ito and his artwork is chess phenomenal.
I love all of his stuff. Have all.
Of his books? Books does he write or what
series? His most popular one, I think,
is Uzumaki. Uzumaki Yeah, it's like a SO.
I don't know anything about manga really, but my youngest is
big into like we got her all the Demon Slayer books she's read,
all of that she's done. I have no idea.
Pretty cool she's. Demon Slayer?
Yeah, I've never read the manga either.
Yeah. That was so smooth.
Excellent. Right.
Amazing Jet. Filtrations.
Just got. Sick.
Yes, it's got a triple. Percolation or some kind of?
Quadruple. Yep.
Oh, here we go. Yeah, that, that's very smooth
my. Cousin, this is their extra.
Small one. That's the smallest one, and.
It's about that tall and it has she has five perks in it.
That's OK. So here, here's a fun story for
you. Back in the day, maybe like 10
years ago or something, Jordan may remember, I had this bong
that was probably like like from the ground up to here I do.
And it and it had like, I think it was 27 percolators like in
the stack itself. Holy shit.
And then I added that little add on with more percolation.
Like the bowl one that's. So you had the bowl, the filter?
Yeah, it must sound like an earthquake.
Every time it took a hit it was amazing.
The ash capture filter. The ash capture filter that OK.
Dude, we we called it Hercules. It was gonna ask what its name?
Hercules. This is George Jetson.
But Hercules. Break that or sell it or
something. Oh, it broke at one of our
biggest parties. Oh, I thought it was one hell of
a party. If there was any way for that
thing to break, that was it. So I can't be that mad about it,
but it was bummer. Like this one's supposed to be
indestructible. Really beats the shit out of.
It they, they did videos on their site and they stood up
like climbed up on a six foot ladder and threw it on the
ground and it just bounced and the bowl flew out and that was
it. And they just picked up the
bowl, put it back in and it worked perfect.
And I was like, what the fuck? I don't want to test that.
What is the breaking point like? What do you have to do to?
Actually drive a car on it probably or something, yeah.
Like those other. Ones from a crazy hype.
Have you seen those other ones? They call them tank something or
other. They're made out of glass, but
they're indestructible. And you hear him hitting, and
you hear that pink. And it's a bong.
Yeah, it's a bong. It's super hard.
Like they took a truck and they drove over it.
They fucking threw it into this parking lot and it just hits the
ground and. And a Mercedes and then a Prius.
And you know the? Guy comes over, runs over real
quickly and. Fills the bowl.
Reason smokes it. It still works.
Like, man, I've got to have that.
It's. A real.
Tyrone like how? Far like the glass making
industry has come over the past. Like what, 1020 years?
Because so this has been over the last 10 years, this room has
been my smoking room and this is my old garage.
So the floor is all cement. There has been endless amounts
of pieces that have shattered on this brand new.
Like we, yeah, we had just gone to, me and my buddies had been
going to Colorado regularly at Cortez and getting flour and
coming back. So we were getting points at
this dispensary. And so we finally had gotten so
many points. I'm like, oh, look at this dope
bong. So we got the bong, we got it
back. We got some new flour and we get
back, we set it on the table and we're loading everything up and
it gets knocked off and shattered.
And it was like, we didn't even get to smoke out of it or
anything. And we're like, no.
Absolutely been there, especially with like a fresh
one. Yeah.
I've never had that happen. I, I just haven't been, I mean,
I haven't been in the in the bond game for.
In the flower he's. He started with pens when he got
back in and was doing pens for quite a while.
I. Kind of like them for occasional
like efficiency and just having something, but like they destroy
your tolerance it seems like. It.
Just doesn't feel the same and and we had a guest on and it was
the best description ever of of any kind of distillate That's
hot dog water. That's what it is.
It's hot dog water. It's not the.
Perfect reference. You get like.
A water. Yeah, yeah, dude.
Chocolate starfish. Yep.
And the hot dog flavored water. Like ultimate white guy dancing,
right? Instead of just like this, it's
like moving the whole body from the waist up.
Yeah. And that's it.
Just rolling, rolling, rolling. They do that guys.
It's. The songs about Molly.
Right, they just get fucked. Up, but oh dude, no, this, this
is like one of the coolest bongs we've ever.
Like we we got this. There was a period where we
started getting so much shit sent to us and we're not
complaining. It was awesome.
We got so many vaporizers, bongs and oh so many depth.
It's this kick ass promotional stuff that you get to like.
Oh, dude, because we, yeah, there we're like, we'll review
it on the show and and then everybody's like, what?
And so we I had this big fucking box in my house and Brandon like
above here, we ran out of places like.
So much shit. See that Little to do?
Giveaways we have like that's a. Canador So it's like a humidor
right for cannabis, but that fucking thing that's just like
one of like 7 we've had and we've caught some like 3 real
crazy ones, dude. Yeah, right.
Vegas. Vegas is the saddest fucking
place I've ever been. Dude it's a trash trash pit.
When I was a kid it was like the place.
It was the place where you get the leaflets with the chick with
the boobs. For real dude.
Oh dude I got you exact experience.
Fold it up, put in your name. Your mom's like, what'd you do
over there? Like.
Dude you just told like my 8 year old story.
There you go. No, I had AI, had a friend.
That is exactly what happened, man.
That's fucking funny, dude. I had a friend who actually
slipped and sprained his ankle on one of those little.
Oh, Flyers on the ground. On the ground.
Yeah, you got those? Clips, your titties broke my leg
exactly. Must.
Have been some hard nipples on. That really slippery.
Nips. Toenails.
Too lubed up. Yeah, oh God, it's got those
slip nips and. You you gave out a used one,
Yeah. That's what they said.
There, it's a Wonderland for a young man.
I know, right? It was, it's on top of the
fucking like taxi cabs and it's lit up and it's like half a
nipple. I didn't even have to take
anything home. I just had to look at the ground
the whole time. Yeah, look at all the titties.
Yeah, but now, dude, we. Like trying to cover your eyes.
Yeah, don't look at the ground, kids.
Don't look. Up.
We need to get out of here. Yeah, it was weird.
Y'all looked like Deslins because she'd put towels over.
Their heads. Like don't look anywhere.
Fucking hell it truly is dude. But when we went back there for
MJ Biz Con, it was last last time.
Around. Oh, and during the week it was
last. December.
Sad place dude, it was so. Fucking sad because you just
seen these old fucking people there and you know they've been
doing this for a career because that guy's mad.
He's not even happy to be there. You see the young people,
they're like, Oh yeah, free drinks and money.
People are looking. At fucking Tuesday, says.
Garbage. Yeah, they're all from Florida.
Why are we here? Why are we here?
We retired. Was that or we're?
Retired to Vegas, right we. Go over here.
This place smells like old marble.
Isn't it? Isn't the weird juxtaposition in
Vegas? Like it's so bright and shiny,
but it's also so gross and dirty.
Yeah, dude, it's so weird. I think the biggest part for us
when we were driving around and we were looking for Planet 13,
it's massive dispensary down there and there is this sign
that says you know what I'm talking about, but there's a
sign there for a strip club and it talks about then you'll see
Sandy Wednesday the 27th and then the next digital billboard
that comes up for that place is free daycare you're.
Like fuck. And all I kept thinking is
that's all I started thinking about inequality.
You know the races. You know why?
Because how dare they? That woman can get a job
dancing. The fuck I can't.
That's not going to work. People are like no dude, here's
50 bucks, go away. I'll pay you not to dance.
Either that. Or it won't be a lot to dance.
People are flipping nickels. And shit.
People pay me to stop. Dance.
Please stop. It's.
Just like that place I keep thinking about like it was my
favorite strip club in the military.
I went to a one time for a retirement, but it just had the
best sign out there. It says Deja Vu, home of 1000
beautiful women and three ugly ones.
Yeah. And you get some like, not need
scary looking chick who's super skinny with a distended belly
and she's dancing on stage 3 to Rob Zombie.
And you're like, and people are giving her money and they're
like, yeah, dude. I honestly don't get it.
That's like I like to like. Because there's a lot of
charities out there, but these guys know what they're doing.
You're. Paying for blue balls.
It's just weird like. And.
You're like paying for affection.
That's gross. Yeah.
Right. Yeah, like.
Well, it's this chick comes over there and she's, she, you're
sitting like this. It's what I remember.
And I say that because everybody's like, fucking Jesse.
It's Saturday, fucking Friday. But no, dude, seriously.
Like you would sit there and then this girl would come over
there and she'd put her foot down like this, still the other
foot, like there. So she's opening her legs and
she's staring off like a construction guy.
Like just like I don't. Know Mr. You lost.
And and they got. This.
Standing over top you like Captain?
Morgan. Seriously, this is her job?
She's like a city worker. Yeah, definitely.
A city worker. So how long you been doing this?
I'm waiting for the new song to come on.
Do I? Have to pay for this too and
then I'm like. She's like so mechanical.
Yeah, and I'm like, I don't, I don't want this.
And she goes, your friends paid for it.
Oh. Do I have to have it?
And they're all going, yeah, and.
Then she just starts dancing. I can't move or touch her
because there's this giant Aryan dude in the corner eyeballing me
and I'm like, fuck. And she's just like dancing over
there. And I'm like, so this is your
career. And they go no, I'm going to
college. And I'm like, all right, what
are you studying? Marketing.
And she's trying to rub on me. And I'm like, Oh my God.
And I'm just. Thinking.
Grinding on you. How many different colognes are
rubbing all over me? How many other dudes has she
been rubbing on? I'm like, Oh my God, this is
awful. Awful.
It's like it was the worst and guys are going like seven, $800
deep and they've been there for just maybe a couple hours and
I'm like, how do you hang here for 20 minutes?
I've never gone to a strip club still dude I it's never been
something. That once and now I will not
Yeah, and it was a. Big 1 and I would did it in New
York. Really.
Yeah, yeah. I just the concept to me seems
weird. It is weird.
It's disgusting, but. Like yeah, I would feel really
after. Experiencing it, you're like OK
cool, now I know. Like I, I've gone to like a
Cirque du Soleil kind of show that they put on a performance
and stuff. And that was cool.
It was unique, but it wasn't like someone coming up and
grinding on me and stuff and me going like, do I, what do we do
next? Like do I, I, I don't know you
just. Have to sit there awkwardly and
keep your hands by your pockets like.
But that doesn't sound appealing.
No, it doesn't. I don't.
Yeah. I'd rather connect to a human
and, like, have an, a, a personal connection.
Yeah, that just seems odd to me. And you know, they're just like
being nice to you, so you tip them more, right?
Like it is so fake. I wonder how it works now
though, because back in the day it was dollar bills.
Like I jokingly said that to this woman because she looked
around my age, she's middle-aged and I'm at Costco checkout and I
had a fuck ton of $1.00 bills and I'm like, I'm just going to
play with these and she's just like and I'm all.
It was a really good night. This last weekend.
I was on stage too. She goes.
Just pause. It just stares at me in a ball.
Yeah, you probably know me by my stage name.
Chad. Chad.
She goes. She's like.
Are you serious? And I'm like.
No. And I was like.
But I would always question somebody paying all with $1.00
bills, like, why is there a crease all the way in the
lengthwise, right, Right. I guess the guys are putting
these little pyramids down there.
But dude, it was like, what do they do now?
Like they venmower. Right.
I mean, what is it like what they're like?
Well, no. See, they just have that air tag
thing just right above their ass and you just tap your phone to
it. It's a tap to pay.
They put AQR code on their inner thigh and they go and then a
bunch of phones come up. Then you have to scan it.
But if they're dancing on you, you know, just have the tap to
pay right on their back. Oh yeah, they have it.
Sewn in their skin. Oh, microchips that we're
getting. Four lights light up four.
Green Oh, you're good to go. He can stay.
Don't kill him. Yeah, dude, it is such a an odd
thing. But, you know, for those who are
really into it, I mean, I think strippers have been killed off
by only fans. Yeah.
Yeah, I could see that. For sure.
Yeah, cuz now the awkwardness is just you in your room, in your
sad little room, and you're staring at the screen and you're
sweating. Right.
You're just upset. Yeah, thinking.
No, but you're a little. Yeah, it's weird.
It's like people hitting themselves with belts, right?
Just like. Dude, why are you doing that So.
Peculiar. It's weird.
It is weird, but you know what? To each their own, right?
Right? As the great prophet Ruth says.
Don't yuck someone's yums. That's right, Don't yuck
someone's yums. You'll you'll see an episode
with Ruth. We're we're trying to get her on
the show. She is the she's.
Just about ready. She's working on her project and
she's like, I want to have that ready before I come on.
All right, all right, That's fair.
Yeah. Because I was like, well, is
there anything that's like important to you that you'd want
to talk about that you know, we can mention just to kind of
support you at the end or something?
She's like, well, I've been working on it, but it's not
quite ready. I'm like, all right, we'll hold
off. OK, so.
I'll be really excited if it's something horrible.
I've been working on this meat collage.
And it's on sale, but. Buy it quick because it expires
in. 12 days. Well, it just develops, so it
becomes a terrible art. Piece.
Oh, that's right. It changes.
Collaters. Yeah, and textures and smells.
It's a whole experience. It's like a 5 dimensional art
piece. The only art.
Yeah, the only art piece that's refrigerated.
It's just called death and it's like the experience of
decomposition over time grossed. Yeah, it hits all 5 senses.
Yeah, because you pet. It would it become more valuable
as like it decays or less valuable?
There, there's just a big dare air sign next to it.
Someone lick it. But it's like the drug dare.
Oh. Shit dude, this is good.
This is a. Funny strain.
Dude, so this was Super Booth, you said right?
You ground up, man. Super Booth is awesome cuz we
did. That's good stuff, I'm enjoying
it so far. We've done Super Booth before.
We did this from Arizona is. This like a hybrid of some sort.
Or no, this is a local grow. This is Dragonfly, yeah.
But let's see what? Good job, Dragonfly.
Very delicious dude. Strangers.
That's like one of the oh, hold on.
Good. There we go.
One of the one of these strains that they have, they're apples
and bananas. Yeah.
Oh my. It's the best to vaporize
because when you're smoking it like having you taste like what
could only be described as Red Delicious apple.
Like crispy? Yeah, Red crispy app.
No, no Red Delicious ones, but you're just tasting the peel and
slight apple, and then at the end it tastes like bananas.
That's wild. Yeah, as the bowl matures, you
taste bananas. They have a glazed apricot
Gelato, the best smelling strain.
Wow. It's amazing.
It smells like you want to eat the bud.
Yeah, it does. It smells sweet, it smells like
you want to eat it. But we didn't have a great
experience on it because our bodies, we, we might have had
just had way too. Much you liked it when you mixed
it with something. Though, yeah, when you mix it,
it's a great strain. Actually, just tincture that.
It's finishing the tincture this morning, but that's for Emily,
not for. Me.
Well, that'd be a cool to experience too, 'cause it could
be slightly different. Well, it's that mixed with Dos
Salado #8, so. That sounds like a sleepy time.
Well, that, that is what hers is.
It usually takes a tincture right before bed 'cause I had
made cannabis infused sugar and she was using that.
But then she was like, I don't like it's fine if she's wanting
to use it as a drink replacement 'cause like she bought panos and
that and pamas taste like bubble gum, the one that she got.
And she was like, so that's a weird thing to mix into a drink.
And I was like, well, I can if you're just wanting the infused
drinkable, I can make you THC infused sugar and you can put
like 1/4 of a teaspoon in the drink and make you drink.
So she did that and I was like, that's way easier.
But that's not her night time 1 because she always takes an
edible to go to bed. Yeah.
But it's like really slow dose. You should check out.
There are these ones around here called JAMS.
Oh, I've heard good things about those, Yeah.
They have a green apple that tastes like, you know, those
suckers, the caramel apples, That's what it tastes like.
OK, have you ever tried the dialed in gummies?
No, they're. In Colorado, and they're
incredible. The ones.
I is that the like the brand itself is?
Called dialed in, Yeah. There's a really, really good
one. It's like all natural fruit,
everything. It's called Wild from Oregon and
it tastes how. What would be the best way to
describe it? My kids have a treat.
It's like a fruit roll up, but it's dense and it's like a
stick. Delicious.
And that's what it, the consistency is like that.
But this was back in the day when my tolerance was much
lower. Like now I could probably eat a
full 10 milligram and be like, that's a nice day.
But before I would have been like, I had my switch.
We were in San, we were in California for a wedding.
And I got an edible from there. And my wife's like, hey, we're
getting ready to go to the, you know, the wedding.
I'm like, oh, cool, I just ate that laid in bed.
I was playing Zelda. I didn't even know I was there
for a while. And my wife was like, hey, we're
going. I'm like what?
She's like we're. Going I'm like, OK.
And I was like marrying her brother and his wife.
And so I was going to do the ceremony and I'm like, we're all
no. I mean, it was cool though.
I mean. Today.
So it was like what they thought.
Yeah. They're pretty.
Cool. Yeah, these guys.
Like each other? Yeah, let's.
Get this shit done. Let's.
Let's all be excellent to each other.
Yeah, man. Well, dude, guys.
Tell us about your band. Tell us about, I mean well.
Hang on, we got we got West and Jordan.
Yeah, from the Rationalist. Yeah, from Rationalist.
These guys are a metal band. They're big.
And Helsinki, that's what we just found out.
And Salt Lake. And Salt Lake, but hopefully
after today. Yeah, we can definitely go over
those numbers. Yeah, yeah, no, but it's super
cool, man. Because you know, what's really
funny about West is that we met during the pandemic, actually.
Yep. So I remember when I was fixing
Playstations like crazy. Oh shit.
I. Had this.
I had PlayStation 4 and loved it, but it, you know, like many
of them did, it started to have some of the jet.
Nicks, was yours the one that had cockroaches in it or the one
that the girl? Yeah, I saw.
I saw pictures of that one and heard about that.
Yeah, Oh my God, the craziest shit I ever found was this giant
fucking angry looking centipede and not something you find on in
the stateside. I've never maybe in California,
but this, it was like a jungle 1 and I was like, and the guy was
from Hawaii and he's like hey, what's wrong with my
PlayStation? And I was like bro, this.
Baggie goes. This.
And you know where they're from because you, dude, like, you
know how like if if you ever worked in the call center and
you start punching in a, a credit card number, you, you
already know what kind of credit card it is.
Yeah. Or when you ask them like, you
know, and when I was in the military, if I tell them my
Social Security card, Social Security number to somebody,
they'd be like, oh, you're from Utah.
And I'm like, how the fuck do you know that?
Well, these numbers? And I'm like, you see it all the
time. That's why.
It's crazy interesting. Yeah, it's weird.
So me and my brother have our Social Security numbers are one
number different and we are two years apart.
It's just like our bar. Me and me and my sister are that
way too. Really no joke.
Wow, yeah, that's wild. Strange.
Yeah, isn't it? Yeah.
And we're, I was like, cuz we're, we're two years apart.
We're not in Parks I. Think we're like 10 months
apart. Yeah, my parents got Yeah, it
was quick. I Well, his kids are the.
Dad was. Eager.
He's. Like the the calendar says.
Your mom can do this again. At.
Least one of them was baby hungry after the first right?
Or at least, or at least practicing, you know, that's oh
man, that's. Crazy.
So how long have you guys been in band?
Been a while? Rationalist been around?
Yeah, OK, so interesting story. Me and Jordan have been jamming
since 2012. Yeah.
That's when Weston I met 12. And it was on Craigslist.
I was like scouring Craigslist for people to join.
My was that on like casual encounters or?
Men looking. It was men looking for men,
actually, Yeah. Now they they have this category
like musician, some such I can't remember it was a long time.
Ago find gear and try. To find that place was awesome,
was it not? Because I met some really
interesting people through Craigslist.
But that's. Only did it a few times, but
yeah, it was just, you know, put a post on there like I need to
find someone. I don't care what the hell I do
like, I'll figure it out. I just need to like what do you
guys need? So yeah, Wes put out this like
broad post about I can play whatever instrument and I can
sing or whatever. And so I'm like, cool, we need a
drummer and a singer. And we get West in there and
he's well. The first time I met him, he was
wearing a pink cast on his arm and he came for a drum audit.
Broke my thumb and it scraped myself up really good.
You're gonna play the. Drums.
He was supposed to be coming in for a drum audition initially.
Can wait. Was your arm busted or what?
What was? It was my thumb like had gone
down here from like. Catching OK.
On. The longboard.
So you fucked up your thumb and you were gonna try and drum?
Yeah. Well, the opportunity was there,
it's just the timing was so shitty, right?
So he's like that guy on Black Hawk Down, he pulls out his K
bar and he cuts it off. And starts drumming.
Let's go. He's crying like that.
That what? You've ever seen that movie?
What's his name? JK Simmons.
It's a jazz movie about drumming.
Oh dude, it's. Oh yeah, It's like, what's it
called, 2013? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was talking to a guy about it just the.
Other day shit. But dude, it is like like you're
like, I'm not going to watch this shit and you're getting
this guy who's JK Simmons. You guys know who JK Simmons is?
No. He played that the head of the
paper for the Daily Planet and he hated Peter Parker.
He hated Spider Man. He hated Spider Man and he would
always, he'd be like. Parker, get in here right.
The guy with the mustache. Yeah, that.
Guy. Yeah, that guy.
But he's bald and he's like, this guy's playing the drums and
he's like, play it again and he hears it again and he throws a
chair at him. I I no I've seen clips from this
I have not seen. Call I've.
Seen, I've seen. Clips.
What the fuck, dude? I know now I'm going.
To look it up right now, I totally had it.
Brought up the other day. Dude, what is it?
All right, so you showed up with a with a busted arm.
Talk about. Your busted.
Arm and I'm. Like, OK, I had this drum kit
set up. In there right now.
And I was like, OK, cool, get behind the key, I'll play this
song. And we start ripping through it.
And Wes is just kind of casually just jamming.
Boots and cats and boots and cats.
Yeah, we're. Playing this aggressive metal.
Shit and. I was like, shit, with that one
song, I was just like, dude, that's not gonna work out.
You said you could sing, right? So I had this PA set up.
I handed in my mic and we was like, hey, let's RIP through
that song again. I thought that any Wes just
comes out like a monster on it, screams.
So we were like, yeah, you're the guy.
You're the guy. It was instant like Yep.
That's wild. Yeah, but that's kind of funny
story. So do you just sing in the in
the band now or do you play? I do all the harsh vocals, I
help write like some of the other instruments as we produce
self produce the stuff. Yeah, Wes and I are the primary
composers in the band. Yeah.
So it's called WE. Bounce our ideas back and forth,
pick up the instruments, throw down MIDI and just bounce ideas.
And yeah, but in terms of other instruments live, it's a little
too intricate for me to do that. And the vocals.
At the same time at the. Same time, at least like with
our the timing structures we're trying to go.
For, that's for. Sure.
So just not realistic, Yeah. And.
Serious. Props to any musician who does
that. For sure, that's like some crazy
white stripe shit. Right.
It's crazy. Two people.
So how many people are in the mail?
There's four of us. There's four of us, yeah.
But we we have written most of this new EP of ours.
Nice, that's. Cool.
Is that the one that just came out?
Yes, OK, yeah, I did go to your Spotify page and I was like oh
they had a single and then you had a a new release that was
out. So that's way.
It's been, oh, a month. A month and a half, yeah.
Yeah, September 27th. Yeah, I've been listening to it
for quite a bit, going to the gym and everything like that.
So I'm a big Metal fan. Branded.
Not so much. No, I do a little bit of metal,
but it just. Little James Taylor, you know,
some bad shit. Just.
Kidding. What?
What kind of metal do you like? Like who's?
Maybe. Your favorite artist?
Favorite artist is Lamb of God. Oh incredible.
After that, shadows fall. They just got back together.
They're out. I'm stoked for that dude.
I grew up with the new wave of American heavy metal stuff, and
that's why my primary roots. Yeah, Hate Breed.
Oh man, I was such a big fan of Hate Breed.
But like Lincoln Park was our gateway drug is what West and I
like to say yeah. Nice, mine was Metallica when I
was a kid. That kind of came after Linkin
Park for me. I love Metallica, absolutely.
Yeah. Like those things have
definitely. Existed before we heard Linkin
Park, but I think like, for us, like, it was kind of like, oh,
man, this clicks. I understand that that side of
music now, yeah. Because before that, I, my, my
family didn't listen to rock at all.
And my parents were like pop and like soft rock of like the 80s
and 90s and shit. And so that's what my parents
listened to. And then when I was young, I
thought I was black and literally listened to rap and
that was about it. And then like 9th grade, I had
an introduction to like Linkin Park and a handful of other
artists. I like yellow cards.
Some other things came in. I was like, OK, like I started
learning that side of stuff and I was like, all right, I can
appreciate this. And then I got into like
disturbed and custom of a down and stuff and I was like, OK,
sounds so good like. They they were definitely one of
those like. But I never got like, I think
there's some Lamb of God ones that I've, I don't know, it was,
I like tool. There's some really good tool
ones that I like I haven't listened to.
All of tool tools. Incredible.
I saw them. From the last time last year is
it's crazy dude. It's got 3 bands. 3 bands, Yeah,
it's got Perfect Circle and Pucifer.
I love perfect circle they have. Several you.
You like Pucifer. You really like Pucifer because
it's not. It's not metal by any means.
It's not really. I don't know what the fuck it
is. Weird ass Primus derived type
of. Thank you.
That's what it is. But I mean, it's got like this
it it's dude, like on the the show Yellowstone, they've got
like three of their songs on there.
Huh. Yeah, it's crazy, but no, I I
grew up, but I I started getting into the heavy stuff from
shadows fall dude nice back on it's.
Like one of the first metal shows I ever saw.
Oh. Dude, those guys are awesome,
Brian. Brian's also with his hair, with
his hair like sweeping the. Ground now that motherfucker's
like 50 and he's still got Yeah dude, they are huge.
What's your guys's first metal show?
I'm curious now. Oh, for me, my first metal show
was Metallica was in it was in Washington back when I was in
the Navy. Nice.
So I mean, I saw them, but you know, I saw Disturb, but I
didn't see a lot of metal bands. I saw a lot of local bands.
Sure here cuz Utah's just metal. It's kind of metal.
Awesome scene, man. Dude, you.
Know it's like it might be a little bit smaller than other
places, but like it's tight. Dude, metal bands come here all
the time. They love coming here.
Yeah. I mean, you can see Lamb of God
here almost twice a year now because they're touring so much.
Sure, I saw them last year. I missed them this year but.
I haven't, dude. You know, here's the There's a
shitty thing. I have not gone to a metal show
in decades because I'm a dad now and all that.
And we like. Yeah, oh, dude, I need to.
I need to get back into. Bro, I went to three concerts
this year, which was nuts 'cause I haven't gone to concerts in a
while, I feel like. And so I think Breaking Benjamin
and Corn was my only metal concert probably that I could
done. That's like the most metal that
I've gone to. And then I went to 21 Pilots in
just a couple months ago. But that's not metal.
Oh, they're great. Oh, it's amazing.
Yeah. I just it's not metal.
How many shows did you go to last year, Jordan?
Last year I went to like 60. Fuck yeah.
This year I that's more than one a week bro holy shit.
There were those. Weeks.
Are they all like they're not all in Utah?
They were primarily primarily I saw I saw Meshuga in Boston.
That was a wow Meshuga. I did, yeah.
So. It was weird for me to go to
Boston and see this like experience with this incredible
band and have like the crowd be so much more powerful and huge
than the Utah. Like Boston is like where
hardcore was born kind of and like it was nuts.
The the, the moshing in there and the.
Yeah, that sucks. Intense it.
Was incredible. Yeah, I I can't it put.
It put Utah to shame but I'm not even trying to dog on Utah.
It was just weird to see the. Yeah.
The different contrast the. Contrast, yeah, because Utah
scene is awesome and I love to go to shows, so yeah.
I go to home all. The time it's like Jesus, it's a
way of life, you know? That's cool, man.
Do you just get the season tickets at like all the.
I just like kind of wait for the announcements to come out and if
I'm like I love that band, I'm usually just going to pick up a
ticket. No, I know what it is.
He's like, oh, someone's coming to town.
Pete picks. Pete picks.
Yes, Pete picks. I'm up there.
Only fans. Over there, gonna show a little
heel this time. And then this year I've probably
been to closest to that many gigs.
That's cool. Yeah, shows are awesome and I
like to support that. And I love to discover new
music. And yeah, it's a party too.
Got a lot of good friends. It's a weird network.
Sometimes it feels like metal Church A.
Little bit like the gymnastic. Yeah, you go up, you see all
your old friends, so you've seen it, all these other shows you.
See them That's like we all we all came here to worship.
No, I'm just kidding. But like.
No, but it is. I mean it.
The metal community is not what people think it is.
They think it's just like a bunch of devil worshippers, like
who brought the goat. Yeah.
And the chicken for sacrifice. It's.
Like weird stereotypes right? But people are just ignorant to
that. They really are.
It's usually like really down to earth folks in them.
Super. Oh yeah.
Peaceful people that have a lot of anger, really nice people in
a constructive way and that's. The place to do it, it's in in
the safe environment where all these people are going nuts over
something they all love. Like, I don't know if you guys
have ever like been on the edge of a mosh pit, but like if
anyone trips or anything like that, everyone like there's like
four or five people sweeping like and then pick them up,
everyone starts pushing everyone else away in the middle of the
middle of the March. There's a culture of, like,
people looking out for each other, yeah.
Yeah, it's definitely a warrior type culture.
Too, Because no, I I was at a show a few weeks ago and I had
that like revelation while watching.
I was like, we're so tribal. Like, look at everybody.
Oh fuck yeah, I was. Like this is very peculiar.
You know it was like that, like zoomed out moment.
Yeah, it's not like going to like a rap concert where
somebody who got shot out and well, I mean, depending on where
you're at, that kind of metal, but.
Got all these Cavemen fucking pacing in the middle of the pit
like we're all just like. And if, believe it or not, like
a lot of people there at most will just have like alcohol.
Like it's not like where you go to a rave and you see all these
other drugs going on in the same ones that'll go on.
I've seen at rap concerts before.
It's just alcohol and weed, it's pretty much.
Pretty much it, yeah. That's cool.
So let's go into. Cannabis though, is cannabis
part of your creation process? Certainly.
Yeah, I would say so. Take us through that.
The creation process. Yeah, like where, where do you
come up with a song? Like it's usually like out of
fucking nowhere, right? Yeah, or something.
Or it's kind of inspired by someone else or some other
outside influence like oh, this song in this movie.
I love the how these 3 or 4 notes flow.
I want to write something. Yeah, W is always like throwing
me these like little ideas that are he's been been inspired by.
So he's always getting inspired by weird stuff.
Do you ever, does he ever give you stuff?
And you're like, dude, no. But then later on it turns out
to be awesome. Definitely.
Oh yeah, for sure. Because that reminds me of this
documentary I saw in Lamb of God.
I know I'm obsessed with those guys.
Randy Blythe is fucked. I.
Love that. Like, that's a big foundation of
like, how I write riffs and stuff.
Yeah. Learning from Lamb of God and
bands like Trivium. Trivium.
Trivium has always been like my primary favorite from that.
Really. Is that where a lot of your
influence comes and you're absolutely.
Trivium and Lamb of God and Azley dying like all that.
Remains. Oh yeah, as I lay down those
kind. Of bands.
Dude, I've got a whole. Azley dying is a shit show right
now but. Back in the day.
Dude, but it's just like the. Talent legendary back then for
sure. Well, it's kind of it's.
Really hard for bands because like, you know, the one thing
like Lamb of God came out with a new album and it was not as good
as I wanted it to be. And I was just like, you know, I
understand the evolution of music, but sometimes it feels
like like Metallica, like in the early 2000s, they sold out.
They used to be metal. All their songs were
traditionally about politics. People are like oh they're Satan
worshippers. Nope, he's talking about.
Listening to the. Failing of society, the failing.
Take the time to we'll talk about their.
Feelings. No, it's just oh those devil
worshippers. I can't understand all this
noise. Dude, that's one of the fun.
Just rah rah, rah rah rah rah rah rah.
It's not that hard to Google. Do a little sing along, Google
the lyrics, read along with it, Yeah.
And eventually you'll start to just pick out exactly what
you're saying without even needing the lyrics.
You'll just know what, what's what's.
Going on, I was telling Brandon's like, man, they scream
a lot. And I'm like, yeah.
And they're. All the lyrics.
I just, I don't hear it always and I'm like, I don't pick out
those to me. Have you ever like did you like
coffee the first time you tried it?
Yes, OK, But I was child. I was.
Like beer the first time you tried it?
No. OK.
So like did you like it later or maybe?
A choir, but see, I like some, I like some screaming and that in
it, but I was like, oh man, it it's a lot more screaming and
I'm like, it's, it's just not usually the vibe I go for.
And so I'm like, man, it's if I listen to him over and over, I
can pick out words, I can pick out things.
But if it's like the first time around, I usually can't because
I'm like Oh shit I have no idea what the fuck they're saying.
I certainly, I certainly try to enunciate like.
Oh yeah. Well, it's, it's insane.
So I have a cousin's husband. He used to, he had a a like a
Christian band, but they were a screamo Christian band.
And so he was the gutter roll like I don't feel.
Like, but that wasn't too bad. But that's what he would do and
I'm like, fuck, how do you do that for extended periods of
time, 'cause when I do even like something for a short bit, my
throats like, yeah, what in the hell are you taking?
Through that a technique, it's a real technique, like so teaches.
OK, OK, let's can. So yeah, dude, this.
Sounds awesome, now I'm gonna learn how to do it so I always
want to. Spend hours upon hours upon
months of years, right? And like everywhere I drive I'm
making weird ass noises in my car.
Like as strange as I can get it. Dude, you should do.
Uber and we'll record. Uber drive and just.
Uber. Just like.
Set up cameras within it. And all the passengers are just
like, what's going on? I love the end.
Just go. Thanks so much for riding with
me. Leave me a five star review.
So a lot of it is learning how to make those weird noises,
right? And so making a like a buzzer on
a game, game show, right? And you try to take that sound
and you try to bring it further back and compress your vocals.
And another fun weird noise is like trying to attempt I'm not
the best at it but like Mongolian throat singing.
Right. Yeah.
Those are their nuts. I'm yeah, I can't do it very
well. He's got.
A He's got a didgeridoo in his throat.
But. You try to make all these weird
noises and add that compression until it This sounds really
scratchy and the more compression you have the the
more you can let that air out in a in like slow controlled
manner. OK.
It's all a balance between the tank, Yeah, and the throat,
right? Your diaphragm.
So you, you take those noises and then you just try to tighten
your those muscles that as you feel like, oh, these are
vibrating at a really consistent.
Yeah. You try to take those muscles
and then tighten them just a little bit more until like
you're getting that wet kind of dry kind of stuff, right?
How like what does your throat feel like the next day after?
Totally fine. Yeah, so you have.
To develop. It you don't muscle, yeah.
Hurt your voice, Yeah, if if you're yelling, yeah, Like you
would if you were like. A lot of people think it like
there is screaming, like actual screaming, and then there is
like a whole subsection of like different techniques.
Techniques of screams. Fry, Pitch yells.
Yeah, fried. That's like more rainy.
Rolls. Yeah, and that.
And that's what I do a lot of. And that's that's where you get
that really scratchy compressed sound, full on yelling.
Even then, it's not as easy as it sounds.
You can go up to anybody, say scream like me for like, like,
like you're in a metal band and. It's it's not going to sound
like and. It's really difficult for.
Me, it's a it's a whole thing. Oh yeah, people undersell it.
Like to prove that like this is a real technique that takes a
lot of. Oh, I can imagine, because I'm
like, I know whatever the hell I attempt is not whatever they are
doing. Yeah.
So like professionals end up it's all about getting a good
sound with the least amount of pressure is.
Possible. Yeah, right.
I'm not letting all my air out at once.
I'm trying to. Quietly as possible, but still
maintain your tone. That's what professionals are
out there doing every night because they're trying to
maintain their organic instrument every.
Yeah. That's crazy.
Yeah. So it's this whole thing.
I mean, the way I'm trying to compete is like, is like
powerlifting. You do a lot of breathing and
bracing. And so it's the same mentality.
I mean, you this vessel, you're trying to and you're trying to
just like make it as dense as a beer can.
Yeah. And if you do it wrong, you're
going to cause inflammation and damage, and the next night
you're not going to be able to perform.
Yeah, like I, I can blow out my voice, right.
But if I'm not using the right techniques, if I overdo it and I
can, I can recognize now like, Oh, my throat is starting to
feel that way, where I need to take a break and I'll be a OK
the next day. Yeah, yeah.
I don't think we're going to see any metal dudes, like, in their
70s going up on stage because like, you see, like Steven Tyler
from Aerosmith, he just retired because he tore his vocal cord,
literally tore him. And they're like, yeah, it is
really. Nothing.
It entirely depends on the person, right?
I think it's just how disciplined they are through
their life and how they treat it.
Like musicians can get really, really, like, ritualistic about
how they take care of those things.
Yeah. Well, I mean, that's it's not
just your money maker, it's your passion, right?
So I mean, it's cool if it's your money maker, but.
So how long were you drive? Have you always been just making
weird noises and shit like since you were little?
Yeah, actually, yes. So.
Can you beat box? I was really into Legos, right?
OK, and so I would always make all these little spaceships and
shit and right and and make all these weird little laser sounds
and explosion sounds and really enjoyed the explosion sounds.
For whatever reason, those are really fun.
So try doing that. I for whatever reason, believe
it or not, tonsils play a part in this.
I noticed a significant difference in how my throat did
all these noises after I got my tonsils out, so I can't do the
explosions as well as I could when I had my tonsils.
It's weird. Yeah.
And. That's where I still have mine.
Yeah. And my experience, like learning
how to sing was just like I was eight years old and I was in a
singing and dancing group perform like Beach Boys songs
and all these stupid covers that like.
Old I did. I did something similar about
that same age too. And so I like learned how to
sing properly at a young age and I've so.
But I can't scream worth a damn, really.
Yeah, I can't either. So you hear me in my car it it
sounds like cats are being. There is screaming, but Fry, if
you think of it like this, you're, you're not making it
loud, you're just making it. You're just making the sound and
and. Give us an example.
So it's actually fairly quiet and like the closer you get to
the mic and you kind of muffle it up a little bit like the the
thicker it sounds. That's how you see those.
Eating the mic. Yeah, pretty much cupping out a.
Little creating, creating a little bit of air distortion
inside there it's just. Because it sounds way more when
you are. Eating.
It's all coming from the equipment.
Yeah, I'm just making the sound, Huh?
So because I we turn up the vocal input a lot to make to
compensate for that, like quiet the level.
Yeah. And so when I do those louder
yells, I can hold it out. Yeah.
And and still try to maintain that distance where it sounds
good at the same level. Wherever that.
Distance. When you can hear it, you're
monitoring in it and you're in ears and so you're like you can
articulate. Oh, that makes it fantastic.
Yeah, well, that's what we realized 'cause we tried an
episode, I think without headphones once and it was like,
oh dude, it was way different. We didn't realize.
And and so from then on we're like, we actually now anytime we
do Zoom ones, we can't hear ourselves because we have to
plug it in. We only hear them.
So it's really weird when we do Zoom episodes 'cause we're like
usually we're used to hearing are in ears in that.
And it's like it's so weird to do that because we only do zoom
ones once in a while. Most of our episodes are in
person. I have a steel series gaming
headset and it has a nice little volume control for your own mic
input and if that ever gets turned down and I start talking
with the noise cancellation everywhere else it's it's odd.
Everything else is so loud and clear and I'm just like this
muffled little nothing. It's so weird to speak when.
You can't hear. It's weird.
Yeah, the same thing with singing.
It's so it's hard to sing if you cannot hear it.
Right. Oh, I can imagine.
So that's why we have our in ear monitors now and they've been a
game changer. How long have you guys had in
ears? Just for a couple of years,
yeah. OK.
Yeah. So you were looking, were you in
like, did either of you have a band prior to or like?
Back in 2012, yeah, I played in a band back home in Richfield
called Libertatia with my buddies.
So are you bass? Are you 6 string?
Are you? Back then it was a six string
electric guy. OK, what are you playing now?
A. Seven string, yeah.
What the fuck is a 7 string? A guitar with seven strings?
Yeah. What is that?
Added. It adds a lower string on the
top. Is it a?
Lower. So what?
Is the lower. Now you envision the six string
guitar, right? All six strings one note or the
next string lower. Is it just another like cuz
they're? If it's.
Obviously you can tune it down like this.
Yeah, we turn it down to a drop tuning.
What is it typically at on that seventh string?
Is it like an A? Is it an E?
It is an A, yeah, OK. If it was tuned standard, it
would be AB. So we just drop that down a step
and that's kind of where we play at.
Like that's wild. Lots of tons of metal bands are
used in the drop tuning. It's kind of, it makes sense,
yeah. It changes the whole sound.
Makes a lot of those intricate chords and shredding, it just
feels like a lot more. Sound fantastic?
Yeah, when it. Changes the way that you play
chords up there too. So people, yeah, really enjoy
how efficient it is and it's lower and perceived.
As heavier. But like, tuning doesn't really
affect heaviness heard. Of A7.
So there's 8 and 9 string guitarist.
Yeah, I've heard of that. Oh.
Oh yeah. Crazy like Aaron Lewis plays an
8 string from stained so he he play the only reason I know
about that because I look like him.
You do now that you say that. I do dude.
Like it's fucking even them with my glasses.
Pretty Aaron Lewis right now. Do well because my mom lives out
in Mass near him and he's like in the country now.
He did country for a long time and now they're kind of coming
back and they're more like the emo rock.
You know, that's funny. I loved them when I was a kid.
Oh yeah, they're great. You know, they used to be metal,
but then, you know, old hot dog flavored water guy Fred Durst
found them and he's like, he should do more melodic ones.
And he did. I mean, it's good.
I like Stain, but I would have liked to hear those songs in
metal form because when you listen to the when you read the
lyrics, you're like, dude, that could be a fucking sick metal
song. Yeah, you know, that's oh, dude,
there was another one. There's this guy on YouTube.
And this this actually goes really good into another
question. I want to ask you guys.
This the best way to say it, Dude.
He looks like like a Musketeer, like a French Musketeer, OK.
He's got like long, like curly long hair, always looks wet.
And he's got a beard on. And he'll do like he'll get song
requests. Oh, that guy's incredible.
Yeah, and they'll say sing Usher as metal and dude, that's I want
to hear that song in metal now. Like I just want to see a bunch
of covers of regular songs. I think his name's Anthony.
Yeah, yeah, he does great covers.
He's incredible. Awesome vocalist.
That is so cool. So Speaking of that, like who I
know you guys, you play your own stuff all the time for practice,
but what's what's a fun candy thing that you guys like to
practice? What's your favorite song you
like to play or sing? As in like a cover?
Yeah. Oh man, we used to play like,
just for fun. We'd play System of a Down all
the time. Yeah, yeah.
It's cool. I spun System of A down this
morning. Just get in the mood.
They're they're awesome. They're so good.
We adore those guys. You're going to have to load
that bulb right? Right now we are playing around
with covering A Symptom of Life by Willow Pop song and trying to
do one of those little pop to metal.
Yeah, there were some really good pop to metal ones back in
the day though. I.
Don't know if you've heard that song but it it is so good.
I might have. But you ever seen those?
That's those mashups where they'll take, like, Slipknot and
Linkin Park, Yeah, and they'll put them together.
Yeah, Oh my God. Just taking the same key, BPM
and everything else. It sounds.
Incredible. That's what I want to.
See, I think I saw someone do like staying alive in a
Disturbed song. I don't remember which.
One. Oh yeah, the same.
Structure and key and it was so. Funny.
Oh, that's hilarious. I didn't imagine and that's what
I love about metal and that's why it never goes away.
You know, if you think about it like grunge is not listened to
by kids because it's retro, right?
Which makes me feel old as. Yeah.
Oh yeah. I'm like, what are you listening
to? And I'll guess you ever heard
Pearl Jam? I've always struggled with
grunge, I never really cared. No, but Pearl Jam is the
favorite one of mine because it's so obscure and the best
impersonation of the lead singer of of Pearl Jam.
I don't remember his name. Eddie Vedder.
Yeah. Eddie Vedder.
Eddie Vedder and Adam Sandler used to make fun of it.
And he go smell that roast beef and it.
Was just kind of tie every word together, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was just.
I never understood it. I actually played it for my kids
a couple days. Ago and I was doing that and my
son Nick was dying he's like, people actually listen to this
shit and I'm like yeah, yeah, a lot of.
People, it's like Alice In Chains be probably.
I like, yeah, I still like. That era kind of good.
Yeah, me. Too like that genre and era?
Yeah. Yeah, they were good.
They were really good. A lot of other ones, even
Nirvana like. Nirvana was like the biggest
band in the world in like 93. Isn't.
It crazy, yeah. I like Smashing Pumpkins more
than that, and that's nowhere near it.
Like when you hear Billy Corgan talk and you're like, why do you
sound like that? Like that's the other thing too.
Like, how do you find your voice?
Because Billy Corgan has a voice like mine, right?
This mousy nasal voice. Yeah, you're like.
Strange dude. That's like.
That's a completely alter ego. So that's a question, man.
Is it when you're singing? Is that an alter ego for you?
Yes and no. OK, so at least when I go on
stage, like I definitely I'm more of like a introverted to
myself kind of guy most of the time, right?
And so getting up and trying to be the front man is always a
stretch for me. And so I kind of have to work on
stepping into those shoes of being like, I'm hot shit.
So I totally like don't really think that, but like, that's
what that's what they want to see, you know what I mean?
Yeah. It's a good person, we.
Just like to play. Hey, guys.
Thanks for coming. We just like to make music and
have a good time and hopefully dude will enjoy like what we're
throwing down but. I want to hear like that voice,
like hey guys, I I really hope you want to enjoy and enjoy the
show and then you take off the hat.
I've gotten that but. We have we played a show and
like I had my that's niece come up to me and she's like, he's
all he's all up there being all brutal and he's like, hey guys,
thanks for coming. What's up?
It's like.
So I'm like, you know, I'm like, get the fuck up and all this
shit. Like, yeah.
Like, that isn't really me. I'm, you know, I know that's
that gets the crowd hyped. Yeah.
Well, you're a performer. It's staging, right?
But, and I'm, you know, definitely working on.
That so it is a it becomes. It's somewhat of learning how to
do that act. Yeah, it it it does become an.
Act not, so I could see where that question comes from.
Yeah, well, there's a really good book you should get into.
I I would listen to it. It's fantastic.
But it talks about ego state. So I'm really big into
behavioral sciences and things like that.
That's as well. That's what I do actually as
kind of a side thing now. And we're, yeah, I mean, this
is, this is our gig. This is our gig.
It's slowly getting to that point.
It's. True.
And so on that. No.
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Well, not right now. Right now.
We'll have their links. But pretty fucking soon.
Are you? Are you probably YouTube?
We need them. On any platform, yeah.
OK. Our albums on everything, yeah.
Awesome. Yeah, sounds good.
Yeah, Make sure we have links. YouTube, Spotify, Apple, where
are they? Bam Camp.
Apple, I always forget Apple Music has it.
I just because ours is always like podcasts.
So ours is a little different because it goes to Apple
Podcasts. It does go to Spotify.
We're on like 20 different, you know, places it pushes out to.
Oh, for sure. We, you know, same kind of
thing. Just have a distributor and they
put you everywhere. Are you guys, do you have your
own producer like do you guys produce or your?
Own Music Our buddy Austin Bentley produces the vocals and
helps us with instrumentation. We we we record and like
conceptualize everything on our own and.
Then you guys have a studio? Like our buddy Austin nails the
vocal recording so we can say, hey Austin, do your thing with
you know what we're working on. It usually goes pretty quick so
we have everything already pre worked out.
That's cool, yeah. Same with the final recording of
the instruments. Like we did all the tracks
ourselves and sent them off to Nick.
Nick Samson So this this was a guy that had mixed albums that
we had really loved. And so it was like, we want to
find someone who's awesome at mixing.
And so we did our best to produce everything and then we
just shipped him out to him and he just made it beautiful.
Yeah, it makes a world of difference.
I mixed sound for a church for a couple of years here and after I
left Mormonism and then I joined like a Christian Church for a
bit and they had a band and I would mix their music every week
and did that for years. And I was like, all right, I
notice. Holy shit.
It makes like a world of difference and like what you can
hear and understand or not or. We've been to many shows where
the sound. I am.
Very discouraging because you go to see a band and the sound is
all fucked off so it's like come.
On that fucked me up. Half the time I want to just go
fix it. I'm like, can I just tweak your
settings for you man, I just. Want to go and whisper in his
ear, but I don't want to be that guy.
Yeah, I just want to help everyone.
Don't. Necessarily know better, but it
don't sound right man. Yeah.
Oh, no, yeah, I saw Lincoln, Lincoln Park when they first
launched. I was just out of the Navy and
it was fucking horrible. The sound was bad.
Like 2001 or something. Oh yeah, dude, it was bad.
And we're just like, and, and my buddy's like he got it for my
birthday. He's like, dude, we got Linkin
Park tickets. I'm like this one fucking
awesome, right? Let me go there.
Horrible. And I was like.
Oh, Chester. Sound horrible, like the people
who are like just aren't knowledgeable about like how
sound design works. They usually walk around saying
man, that band sucked. And it's so it like damages the
bands reputation, even though like it's usually just the sound
guy, like kind of just fucking off a little bit and doing the
wrong thing. You know, like I'm just gonna
put these levels here. Sounds OK, I'm gonna go smoke my
cigarette. One of the smartest moves I
think fans make is getting their own sound engineer, yeah.
I think so too, because I noticed that because some of
them they'll have like headliners and that and I'm
like. Booth in front of the booth
usually, and that's like they brought their own.
Guy, but I can hear it because I'm like, oh, that one's
shittily mixed. Like whoever's in music, Guy is
not very good. But then I'm like, well, I'm
really thankful that the headliner has their own sound
boards. They've got everything lined up
and I'm like, OK, they've got their own sound.
Guy. Like he comes with them.
He knows what he's doing is not whatever this other guy is
because holy shit, first day jitters.
It's. And he's already got presets
ready, you know, So the sound guy will already have like
presets ready typically, and then he just has to make like
mild adjustments based off of the size of the venue and all
kinds of different factors. But mostly everything else, like
you bring the same mics, you bring all your same stuff.
So everything else like you should have familiarity and that
was? Consistent.
These are our standard. Levels and that's like part of
having our own inner rig is like we bring our own mixing stage
that we bring a studio and. With.
You guys, we split everything you know from the house gets
control of whatever the the people here and we have control
of what we hear and. Do inside of our.
We have no idea what it sounds like out there.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's it's pretty weird, yeah. Because what people hear is not
what we hear. No, the in years this whole
whole different world. Yeah, it's.
The stage in general, yeah. Because usually every person's
in years was different and I'm like, so I go through and it's
like, all right, drummer, what's your in years that suggests
yours? Let's get yours at where you
want. All right, this one.
All right, let's do your in years.
Let's do yours, And then it's like, all right, now I'm going
to go through and do mine. I'm going to do the levels like
it just. Everybody's got different levels
and they're monitoring different things.
Way too many need to. Hear a bunch of certain things.
I don't need to hear a bunch of certain things.
Yeah, and do you guys play with a metronome in your ear too?
Yeah, so we got crack, crack, crack smacking in our ear the
whole time as well, but. Thankfully I don't have to have
that when I did the other guys. We didn't used to do that for
years and years. We just free balled it.
But this was kind of the way to step it up and have, you know,
backing tracks to accompany our performance and to like just
have a really consistent performance every time.
That's crazy because the beats per minute can fluctuate like,
yeah, you know, and it's, it sounds really consistent, but
you know, in your head you're like, Oh yeah, it's totally on.
But with the metronome, you're like, oh fuck, I'm like barely
off there. You know when that.
Consistency keeps us on track. Like even if like there's like a
little hiccup from someone else, like you know that you know
they're going to move past, but like it keeps you still.
That beat is there sinked in. That's cool.
I bet that makes I used to play piano growing up and grandma was
the one who taught me for years and it was always like a
metronome. She was like, Nope, this song is
this many beats per minute. Put it here, practice to this
and it was like always. It's the metronome.
Probably the most valuable thing.
It's fantastic. Yeah.
I learned, Yeah, I learned amazing timing with that because
I was like, all right, everything was played with a
metronome for the longest time. Oh, yeah.
So. It's, it's important, yeah.
That's why I never learned. I mean, I started learning
guitar off tabs cuz I'm gonna hang out with this guy when I
was working at the state hospital and I had nothing to
do. So we started learning how to do
songs over there. But I don't know.
I mean, I don't know why they didn't appreciate it.
We were just playing like Tenacious D songs and just
screwing. Around.
Those are good stuff, yeah. Yeah, we used to play those all
the time. Yeah, that was a long time.
Well, I learned from tabs too I think last time as well.
Tabs, yeah. I should've I.
That's how I did. You know the crazy thing, like I
had this nice little acoustic guitar that I had for years and
then had a falling out with a friend that that got me into it
and I never picked that tire up again because it has a it, it
has a vibe with it and I'm just. Like you just need a new guitar.
Yeah, that's totally what it is. And but I was just like, Yep.
Nope bro, just come over. I have two guitars.
Oh, I know, I know. But.
High and we'll just fuck around. But no, that's.
Literally what we do. Yeah, See.
That sounds like a great we're. Asking about the process, that's
a lot of what it is, yeah. That's cool.
Was that your? Process.
When you guys started, did you smoke at the like at the
beginning? Yeah, OK.
Yeah, we don't necessarily always smoke when we write, but
we often do, and it absolutely influences what we do.
Sometimes, like when when we're ever like just stuck on a
concept and we're like, you know what?
It's just time to let go and like, go smoke, smoke, relax,
hang out. OK, let's think about this from
the new perspective. And oh, dude, yes, this, this is
the one where all this let us fuck, Yeah.
Right, 'cause it's gonna. Has there been?
Your. Perspective and.
Alter your ideas. That you like, thought was
really fucking amazing when you were high, and then afterwards
you were like, oh wait, that's what it was.
It goes it's detrimental sometimes as well.
You'll be like this is awesome. And then later you'll review it
and be kind of like. But luckily with Daws now you
can like save all those ideas, you know what I mean?
So you don't want like write writing songs beforehand is or
like before we had all this is kind of like I'm going to write
this song and now we got to actually remember this.
That's true. Yeah, we did.
We did everything like just with between US and a guitar, us and
a practice. And So what?
Back in the day, DAWS is that a software that's a?
Digital audio workstation like Pro Tools or Logic or Cubase.
OK, that's cool. That's just what people refer to
them as Daws. OK.
Yeah, and that's where we record and edit all the tracks.
Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah, it's also what we use for
our backtracks when we perform, Yeah.
For all the atmosphere and
stuff, like, you know, all the guitar tones and stuff, like in
the screaming, like that's all very raw still, right?
But like the atmosphere and stuff we're doing.
Yeah, we have some like keyboard and synthesizer instrumentation
and. We, you know, we wanted to have
there but not over prominent like.
Yeah, like so do you 2 do the synthesizer and all that as well
and just pre record it or is it the other two or combination of
everyone? Yeah, all, all the atmosphere
is, is US and and our buddy Austin, who does the vocal
recordings for us. So how many instruments he?
Has he has a great ear for that kind of stuff.
So like we, we do like the groundwork and then as we're
doing vocals, we'll be like. He's he's an actual keyboardist,
he can jam. Oh nice.
We're not really keyboard players.
What guitar? Guys.
OK. Do you guys play any any other
instruments? Drums.
Drums, yeah, OK yeah, I started that.
Drums, guitar. Drums.
Guitar yeah we we play Muslim and.
Oboe I love. Yeah, lots of stringed
instruments like harp. I can never afford one, but I
love a harp. Interesting.
Got it. Have you seen that?
Chick who does it? Yeah, does the metal songs on
it. It's so good.
Yeah, that's. Nuts.
I've got some bongos. I play the dig, yeah.
Nice. Hand pans?
What is it? The really big one that that we.
Got oh, the jembe. Yeah, yeah.
We've Jembe. It's just a giant drop on a.
Base and you can articulate. It's basically like a base in a
snare tribal. So we have like our metal
projects, but then we we have our buddy Hatchet that's his.
Actual name, Is he from Utah? Yeah, OK.
It's his last name. OK.
But our buddy Hatchet and us, we'll, we'll all kind of get to
together and maybe a couple other friends and have all these
weird world instruments and just kind of jam.
Just playoff each other. Yeah, and do the little drum
circle thing. It's always so, so much fun.
Oh. That's fun.
Do you guys ever go to the Liberty Park drum circles and.
Never go to like a public one, no.
No, they have them on Sundays sometimes up there and a lot of
people go smoke weed in the park and stuff and sick.
Yeah, it's it's interesting time.
I need to try. It sit on a hypodermic needle.
I don't know. No, that's not liberty.
That's the. Pint.
Oh, that's Pioneer, Yeah. Yeah, whatever that.
Yeah. That other big one is yeah.
So I remember walking through Central Park in in New York and
just like running into this gigantic drum circle, like 30
people. It was incredible.
It was like, what the hell? Yeah, they have massive ones up
there, people. Brought all kinds of weird
percussion implements. It's nuts.
Yeah, there's another one too. I was going to ask you guys
about it. It's a jazz band that does tool
covers. You ever heard of that one?
I'm not what? Yeah, sounds interesting.
Brass. It's something brass, but
there's a woman singing. She does a lot of like she's the
best one. She'll do covers of Tool songs.
And it's crazy because there's there are some guitars, but it's
mostly horns that you'll hear. Interesting.
It's kind of like Apocalyptica. Yeah, you're those guys like
with. The cellos, yeah, like.
The very symphonic way of doing it like.
Yeah, and it's so nuts. Like there was another one, I
think it was the vitamin string quartet would also do a lot of
metal covers but it was just the four crazy 4 stringed
instruments. Trans-siberian Orchestra.
Like yeah, yeah. So what's your favorite non
metals band? That's a hard question to
answer. For me, you asked me any
favorite, I'm going to struggle. Yeah.
What? What's your favorite that you
can pull from right now? Like what if you could listen?
To like, for instance, like this year, probably my favorite
record that came out was Willow's new record.
It's. Incredible.
It's it is so good. It's very good.
That's when you say record. You mean like vinyl?
I just sometimes prefer to an album just under I guess.
If you get records in, I'm sure. But I do have some records, yes.
I was just curious. I have a small collection of,
you know, Yeah, so. I do as well.
My roommate has a ton. He's got like, everything.
That's fantastic. What?
What's in your playlist? If we went to your Spotify,
where, where, What would we see on there?
Oh man, I'm always discovering new stuff but I'm always
listening to the same. Stuff too, I usually jam by
genre and I have again, favorite artists we'll be.
Here exactly. Yeah, No, me too.
I usually bounce between like lofi metal, EDM and rap.
Those are kind of my four cool love jazz.
I just I have to be in the mood for that one.
Same with country like not my thing really.
Old. Country old.
Country. Yeah, like old.
That's not this new stadium. Country thing.
But I don't know if you've heard of Bill Murray, not the actor.
There's there's a band, a band called Bill Murray.
Nice. And they are kind of doing this
country metal fuse fusion. Interesting.
That's just it is great. It's working out great.
That's cool. So like I'm not totally opposed
to country, just you probably won't see much of that.
Primarily listen to metal, but I, I, I like rock a lot.
Like, probably like old rock, like, like Rush, like old Prague
stuff. That's cool, yeah.
Dream Theater. Big fan of Fleetwood Mac.
I love Fleetwood Mac Lindsay Buckingham on the guitar is
insane if you've ever seen him play dude like it's it's magic.
Let me ask you this really quick.
What do you guys define metal as?
Yeah. For me, metal's a feeling I get
from that. So I mean, Disturbed is not
metal for me. Disturbed is emo rock to me.
That's where Metallica falls too.
Old Metallica black and back all the way to like, you know, kill
them all. Yep, that's metal.
Quintessential metal. Yeah, yeah, that is metal.
That is the. I mean, you know, you want to
put that up there with the greats, you know, like Dio and
fucking Ozzy and shit like. Black and and back.
Is yeah, what I've always loved. Exactly right, but the newer
stuff it just kind of goes poppy.
But way I like what I what I consider metal is those man's
who who stay true to what they started with and why the fans
love them. You know Lamb of God is always
but. That's a that's a very
interesting like argument that we see.
It's very polarizing in the yeah, in the industry.
People are always whining and bitching about the band and not
staying the same and like as an artist.
You'll go so stifling like as an.
Artist, you're trying to capture this.
Is that part of your life, right?
And all these people that have loved you for years and years,
they want to capture the feeling that they had when they first
hurt. You.
Yeah, yeah. And that doesn't play out like
that. So they hold on to that feeling
as you continue to grow and change and put out new material.
And they're like holding on to this like old nostalgic vibe.
You know, that's kind of what it comes down to.
And I, I've been in that camp when I was younger.
I understand that bitching about them changing, but I've grown
past like seeing like these are individuals, man.
They got lives and they're growing and they're, they're
learning and changing all the time.
So when they're writing, writing new music, they're that's like a
snapshot of someone's soul. It's really weird.
That's how it is crazy. Art is strange in that way.
Like, yeah. Well, because both.
Sides have values in it. Art.
You know, yeah. That's the hard thing, because
there is the dilemma with the artist.
Right. Yeah, well, in the.
So there's like this weird dilemma, I guess you could say,
or I don't know what the right word is, But like in the music
genre that is metal, there is there's kind of this Gray line
of like, not sure if it is metal.
Yeah, like some people, it's like if there's screaming in it,
metal. But I think there's a lot of
that. It's emo.
I think a lot of it's punker emo though, like they introduced
just a small bit of. Clean singing, like driven songs
that are still very, very metal. Oh, you know what I mean?
Yeah. But it's, I don't think metal is
necessarily like the I think it's just the whole style of it.
No, there's more. There's emo, there's there's
like a rock. Is a great dancer.
Yeah, metal. Yeah, I think it is.
Because but, but also to me along to add to the, the feeling
idea is like, just like those bands that started at all, you
know, like Black Sabbath and Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and
these bands, but even like Led Zeppelin and Beatles inspired
metal musicians along the way and all that stuff.
That's what metal has always been to me in Metallica is like
that, you know, in the early days.
These are the guys who kind of created this style and this way
of expressing and everyone since then is just built upon it.
There's this massive family tree of subgenres, you know, and I'm
familiar with most of them. Like I listen to tons of metal
in all kinds of different areas. I really like melodic death
metal. I really like.
Right, like orbit culture, because orbit culture is like
this. It's crazy because they're.
They're like really industrial melodic death.
Yes, yeah. Yes, but it's crazy.
Metallica singing. Yeah, occasionally so.
Metallica. Singing.
Yeah, you'll hear it. And that's exactly what I
thought. I'm like, that sounds like James
Heffield in fucking 90s, you guys.
Are sick. Yeah, they're really cool.
And that's that's what I like to see the progression over there.
I don't like seeing bands all come out like My Chemical
Romance. Not I like them.
There's a lot of metal songs for my.
Chemical Romance came out. They're emo though, that's not
metal. No, but they have metal songs.
No, not really. See that that's, that's kind of
that Gray area. No, that's what I'm saying.
Like I don't really I. Just felt like.
Totally say that's my chemical. I don't know if I would
personally say it's. They just were that emo phase of
time that it was like real emo music that came out and and that
just felt like my Cam was really so.
For me, that's what I call screamo if it's.
OK. Yeah, that's.
Actual screamo. That's kind of a funny thing
that most people do, but. Screamo I feel like is different
than metal. But a lot of people just say
screamo is like a blanket term. It's not the same as.
Scott Yellow and. Screaming in it.
It's Screamo. Metal's like the top of the
pyramid. It's like.
Emo. Subgenres.
And I feel like the screamo is the kid version of it.
It's like like, all right, but then metal's like, it's a whole
different feel to it. Oh yeah, I've seen Scott Pilgrim
versus the world. Oh yeah, OK.
So I saw this awesome meme little GIF, right?
And it was, what's her name, Ramona Flowers.
And she was, she was like listening off all the different
kinds of tea that she has. And you know, Scott's just
sitting there like none of there's not that many.
But she was listening off all these different like subgenres
of metal. What kind of metal do I listen
to? Well, what do you have?
I got it dozens of he's like, I don't know.
I don't know. Deathcore post hardcore like.
That's. Hilarious death metal metal
core, progressive metal core gent.
Like there's tons and tons of difference, right?
Because they're defined in their own way, right?
Yeah, you know, and you go to the to some of the earlier ones
because Lamagot can definitely be considered one of the earlier
more. Successful Lamagot is considered
groove metal. Yeah, thrash metal.
Thrash metal, yeah, that's, that's that's where my jam was.
I love thrash metal. Yeah, me too.
But it it just like you said, that there's, there's different
things, there's different metal songs from people you wouldn't
necessarily consider metal because it's the feeling that
you get. You're just going.
Yeah, there's a certain attitude to it as well.
Totally. There's some really old good
metals. Not like like Randy from Lamb of
God is punk rock as fuck that guy dude.
I know. Dude, you.
Watch this documentary where Lee guitarist came up with that riff
for descending and while he was playing it, the basses is like
that's not metal, don't fucking play that.
And he's like, no, I got something here.
And Randy takes it and writes the lyrics and bass still
fucking pissed. Their old drummer was really
fucking pissed and laughed so when he left the band.
But the coolest way to be able to see that.
And that's why you guys like when you know your crafting,
you're playing really into the mode where you're feeling it,
right? That's where I was like one of
the band, like when I always bring up the Lamb of God because
during the pandemic when they played from their houses on a
Zoom, it was epic. Like, I watched the.
I watched some of that, yeah. And that's like raw Randy
Blythe. And that's super.
That's cool because it's exactly what you said.
Like when you're hearing somebody singing metal, there's
a lot of craft that has gone into making that voice and then
being able to go back to a normal voice and totally being
fine. A lot of people I've heard say
it's like the same vocal techniques as you would see in
like an opera singer. I don't know if you guys have
watched this video from the charismatic voice on the little
YouTube channel. This chick Elizabeth from Utah
awesome channel. She's finally taking this dive
from music suggestions into metal and it's just gone
downhill momentum, but uphill, right?
Like she's just like, Oh my gosh, I'm understanding the
craziness behind this. And one of the things that she
did, she got the vocalist for Lorna Shore.
I don't know if you guys have like that.
That is some heavy ass shit, okay?
Really heavy death metal stuff. Insane.
That's cool. Okay, so she she got Will Ramos
to come on and stick a camera down his throat.
Do all these crazy goblin techniques and.
Like do all your vocal techniques and he's like, OK,
I'm a little numb but here you go.
And you can see his throat contort and shape to make all
these weird sounds. That's so crazy.
It was really cool. Yeah, it's nice.
Because that's what you. Feel like.
Looking at the science of screaming in that way, it was
really, really neat. Well, and we're finally like
starting to define these things that have been going on.
What was that band again? Lorna Shore.
Yeah. How do you spell that?
LORMA. SHORE got it.
All right, so if our audience were to go check out one of your
songs, what would you guys recommend?
Well, that's hard. That it is.
It's like 1/2 hour long. Just go check it out.
Yeah, songs dynamic in its own way.
You don't have a favorite. I do favorite.
I have hell divers my yeah, yeah, that's cool.
That's one of my favorites. I really like that.
I love that. And then Spectrum.
Yeah, Spectrum was was aimed as we were writing it to be the
most accessible. So like for for someone who
listens to a lot. Of pop or.
Rap, it has that overall structure of just like intro.
Yeah, because we kind of like chorus, more progressive
structures and songs that Neander around.
But there's also, you know, those standard structures that
are easier for people to latch on to do.
You guys have it I guess. Is every song a different
structure? Yes.
Yeah, yeah. OK.
Certainly. Very much so.
You can tell that there's a progression through each song
which. Don't like to be formulated?
Well, I mean like Hatebreed. Hatebreed is Hatebreed.
Yeah, I mean, you listen to Hatebreed somewhat formulaic as
well. Yeah, exactly.
There's still really incredible. In in their own way, right?
Exactly. But it's because that's the way
that their art moves. This is the way you're art.
Moves, well, yeah. So what we tried to do is try to
at least tickle the appeal of as many of those quote sub genres
that that have inspired us throughout the years.
Yeah, and you could. Definitely, you know, like, oh,
you're into the really proggy technical shredding song.
OK, you're probably going to like Disintegration or maybe
Wave Maker if if you if you're into the clean singing and still
having a really driven, steady chorus kind of thing.
Spectrum if you want something with a clean atmospheric
breakdown in the middle. Kitsugi.
And we tried to have all these songs lyrically and as well as
even need the down to the BPM kind of do this kind of a yeah
bell curve. This climax throughout the album
and it Yeah. Does the album have a theme?
Yes. Yeah, personal growth and like.
Confronting so so the EP is called paradox within paradigms.
OK. And for us, that is just the
acknowledgement of confronting your the contradictions in your
own belief. Yeah.
Like, and what is that actually Intel?
So the whole album is aimed to take you on this journey of of
like. Perspective.
Someone gaining a new perspective, gaining this
epiphany. And for us it kind of goes like
we kind of like simple to at least took the whole concept and
narrowed it down. So first it's like
disintegration is like, man, the world sucks.
You know, it's, it's a, there's a lot of rough stuff going on.
Shit's wrong all over the place. Yeah, we're just like
acknowledging some of those problems in that song.
And and we, we take it to megalomania where it's like, you
know what, the world sucks, but it's you.
It's you, man, People like you. That are making it more awful
and then yeah when it moves to hell diver.
That's more of an introspective thing.
It's more about the inner self, like.
Realizing that maybe I'm part of the problem like I maybe I'm not
up here like I thought I was. Probably why I'm into that song.
Like, I'm not, I'm not really up here like I thought I was.
And now I'm starting to see things from like.
A new perspective. From this new perspective and
and some like the crushing weight of what can happen on the
extreme end of that change. The way you guys describe that
actually is perfect for way that I think of metal because it is
it, it is this crazy experience of what I'm trying to go through
and what I'm feeling right now. And what's cool is to be able to
read the lyrics and go along with it.
You start getting closer to it and then you hear the artist
actually explain where it came from.
Yeah, yeah. Right.
Like when you hear like. I love that process too, right?
Getting that feeling and then actually seeing where they were
coming from too, because there's a lot of ways to perceive a song
it can be. It's always interesting to hear,
like, a different perspective than what the unified idea of
like, yeah, this is what that means.
You know, sometimes, but what someone else in there gets out
of it isn't what we intended. Yeah.
Yeah, that's the crazy. Part they have their own
interpretation of your message. Yeah, yeah, like descending
through. Me.
Oh. Yeah, well, it's like every art,
you know, every artist has their whether it's painting or music
or whatever or a dish, you know, there's always some sort of form
of art into that and there's always the artist
interpretation, meaning and the like taken interpretation of the
audience, whoever's viewing it, right.
So yeah, hell, Helldiver is the third one.
So after Helldiver, after you go through this ego, ego death, you
could say. Kind of, yeah.
Then just there's a whole new perspective with that new
perspective, learning to forgive yourself and be like, it's OK
because I don't know if you guys know what Kisugi actually is.
It's a Japanese art form where let's say you have a, you know,
cherished pottery. It breaks and they decide to put
it back together with gold and use that as the adhesive and.
Gold and precious metals they would glue.
These and makes it look, even I think, way cooler looking than
it was. Even better, yeah.
They do look, really. And, and it's every time it's
like unique, right? And so that that song's a lot
about just putting yourself back together and.
Being new and and this song that you're better like something
that after that traumatic move from like you can make that make
yourself better from it, right? Yeah, that makes sense.
Like the cracks now or? Yeah, they're not, they're not
cracks, man. These these are the.
It's an opportunity that you you can like.
Yeah, these are the newest parts to me.
You know, yeah, exactly. Makes me who I am.
That's fucking cool. This is so awesome, dude,
because I didn't know any of this shit.
I just enjoy metal. Yeah, but you know, I mean it,
it really is like it's it's learning about that and and
hearing about like knowing that this this album is progression.
Yeah, right. It's self progression.
That, that was the, I mean to try to nail this down, this huge
concept that we could talk about for hours and have talked about
for hours into 6 songs, half hour.
It's fucking awesome. The next track was Wave Maker,
and that's all just about being original primarily.
Yeah, just making an impact. Yeah, there's a lot of people.
Finding your own personal identity right instead.
Of finding your own voice kind of thing.
I like it. Yeah.
And then the spectrum, the final song, the kind of to top it all
off, is just. Just the sum up the whole album
as a whole essentially, which is, you know.
Contradict your beliefs. Everybody has beliefs that they
stick too strongly to and everybody has a different
perspective and it's important that we are open and share those
with each other so they can get a little closer to the objective
truth in my opinion. Like there's so many different
ways to look at a single thing. Like if I, if we held an object
in between us, we're all going to describe it differently,
right? If you were asked to describe
that. We'll do it like this.
So you guys are probably seeing some green and orange.
He's going to say it's black. You're going to say it's mostly
orange, right? I only see just a sliver of
orange and a lot of grayish, right?
Greenish. Same thing, but it's different
for you and beliefs are a lot like that.
We have that tunnel vision and you hold on to like, that's,
that's all it is. It's just an orange stripe.
No, there's more. To it I'm seeing 2 little things
but. If you're stuck and you're
chained down to that belief, then you can't really even
connect with me, or you can't even really understand you.
Can't see my perspective the. Truth is somewhere in the middle
there. We, we went through this course.
It's neuro linguistic programming and they talk about
like visually the amount of pixels that your eye takes in
and then the amount of pixels that your brain can process.
And it's literally like 3% of the pixels that we actually
process. So we're see perceiving 3% of
the reality in front of us at that moment.
So whatever our reality is that we're going, this is what
happened. That's only what happened in the
3% of the reality that you saw. Someone else could have seen a
whole. Difference I don't know how deep
down the rabbit hole we want to go.
So here's, but like there, there's that single point, that
object, that point of contention or whatever.
Like let's just find that point, call it a ball.
If you were to go around and define every degree as a single
point and it circles technically infinite, right?
And add 1 + 1, whatever. But let's just say there's 360.
In order to get the full perspective, you need to like
take half of that, the radius, so 180 degrees, 180 different
points of view, and then rotate that 360° itself, right?
So 100 and 180 to the power of 360 different perspectives.
One single thing, the actual truth, that's not even close to
what it is, right? Because circles are.
But like, if we find something we can all agree on, that's
probably pretty damn close to the truth.
Yeah, just got to discuss it. And it's like, what's your
perception here? What are you seeing over there?
You know your lamp is a lamp. You know we know.
That the bomb I love. I love lamp.
I love land. Like, where'd you get that hand
grenade? Yeah.
Like and and like beliefs for people are they hold so tightly
to them and it just kind of obscures the big picture.
Yeah. And I think that religion and
all kinds of different things are laughable when you argue
about which ones which and whatever.
People are all trying to get to the same place on different
roads. We're all.
So it's. Like and.
It's we're. All just calling the same thing
by different terms. Yeah, yeah, it's so.
The song March to the Sea or March to the Sea by 21 Pilots.
It's like everyone's all marching to the same place.
They're all in a line and they're like, hey, you're going
the wrong way because you stepped out of line, but you're
all marching to the sea. You're all still going the same.
You're all, but it's like, Oh well, you're doing it wrong
because you listen to this other voice or this other thing, but
you're still all going the same place.
You're like, it's the same concept of like everyone's got
their own path, but we're all heading the same direction, but
we're all fighting that we're heading the same direction and
like your path's wrong. No, and you primary.
We primarily all want the same things out of life.
We want to be loved. We want a sense of.
Purpose, yes. You know, and we want to feel
joy. That's pretty much it, right?
That's pretty much what everybody wants.
Yeah. And so it's like on a basic
stability, if you can see that in the other.
Way. Well, there's the necessity, of
course, but like. It's funny because when those
who are wanting to have absolute truth, who want to be right, are
usually the ones who are the most miserable, but those of us
who take, well, what else can I learn?
You know, I mean, I, I, I'm very much a Christian, but I'm a
Christian in the sense of my beliefs in, you know, whatever
deity, whatever, all that other stuff.
That's just something that I believe, but I don't believe
that defines me. It's just something about that I
find that's awesome that resonates for you.
Ben and Jerry's sounds better than Halo ice cream.
It just, it appeals to me. That's my taste, that's my
flavor. And some other people have
unfortunately have had this flavour shoved in their fucking
mouth. Yeah, that's.
That's us. That's how life for us growing
up was, yeah. Yeah.
You know, we were Christians, but now we're just open to
whatever. Like, to each their own.
Like, you know, we don't want to discourage anyone from doing
anything that makes them feel at peace, right?
I love the discussions that have arisen because I've taken myself
out of that. Like I when it sucks, but when I
was in that, I grew up in that too.
I had a very closed mind. I had a very narrow perspective,
right? Yes.
And now that I've stepped out of that, I'm like, oh, hey.
That's like part of what we're speaking out of.
Yeah, yeah. It's like I can see what.
This album. I can see the humans going for
like the person I was was judgmental, household critical,
like all of these things that I was like reactive.
And yet that was, you know, when I was most following faith or in
these things. And yet now that I've stepped
away and maybe it's cannabis, maybe it's time, maybe it's
perspective, maybe it's a million things combined into a
one. But now I look at it and I'm
like, I I see way more of the human and the struggle and like
the person instead of like whatever it was before.
Yeah, like there's a certain weight to wisdom, I believe, you
know, as we age. Yeah, you know, there really is.
That's a really good statement there.
There's a weight to wisdom because it, it is hard.
You know, I'm and, and when you meet people, because, I mean,
I'm part of the local faith, but I, I find myself being that
bridge of communication between both sides because I get the
other side going. How the fuck are you a Mormon?
Yeah. And then the other one's like,
you're a Mormon. The the the Mormons ask me and
you're a Mormon. Dude, I I I know.
I think it's hilarious. Countless good Mormons too.
I don't. Well, they're just nice.
People. No.
No, but The thing is. I have many of those values too.
But a lot of them have this idea of perfection or whatever the
fuck that means, right? And it's, yeah, it doesn't.
It's not. It doesn't exist.
It doesn't exist and it's like this shame factory dude.
Like being Christ like is just treating each other like you
want to be treated like. Be nice to people helping them
just to help them. Yeah, not like, hey dude, I'll
pick you up, but it's what's. It for me, yeah, Gosh.
Like I can't help you because if it's not a quid pro quo, fuck
you, right? But it, it definitely, it just
feels like it, it's just so strange.
But that's where a lot of people ask like.
It's subject to like, to every kind of social construct you can
ever see. There's there's gonna be
complete dipshit assholes on one side and like the genuine best
people in that in that group. But it's like.
All bad people, really. It doesn't really.
Matter. I like that, yeah.
You have to have both sides because without it there's no
progression because if everybody was just doing it then it'd be
demolition. And we're all capable of.
Have you seen that movie? Which one?
Demolition Man. No, I've not seen.
Demolition. Fuck, do you guys want to have a
good laugh? Everything that's going on like
right around now, they made fun of this shit back in the 90s and
they were like, this is what happens after this, everybody.
Loves The Simpsons episode. Dude, it's so funny and it's
just a story about how society is all happy.
You're not allowed to touch each other.
You can't swear, eat spicy food, you can't do all these things
right. And then Wesley Snipes is
released from prison, so you know that shit's going OK.
And then they're like, fuck, who do we get to do this?
Well, let's get the guy with the list.
So they get Sylvester Stallone and he comes out and it's this
funny fucking world that they're in where they're like frozen.
Anyways, I'm not going to, I'm not going to spoil it.
Watch it. And you're going to laugh your
ass off during it. Because he saw it and he was
just like. What the fuck like this?
I felt that way about Idiocracy. Yes, I love them.
They're so bad. It just.
Keeps getting. Truer oh movie that's slowly
becoming a documentary. Are you a video gamer?
Yes, Sir. Well, yeah, I mean, what are
you? Playing dude right now I'm on
the biggest dead by daylight kick.
It is so much. Fun.
That's what my son's been playing a ton of I'm.
Oh yeah, no. So he I played with him.
Oh, with Nick? Yeah, Get the fuck out of here,
dude. He's funny as shit on that game.
He's so funny, like because I got him into this habit, like
where you go over there and you grab a guy and you throw him up
on the hook and I'm all fucking hit him.
Show him what's up. And so he doesn't when he.
Throws people up. There he goes.
Flat and I'm like, that's right bitches, that's so funny and
he's just like and. They're probably getting so
upset about it dude. I'm already on the hook.
It's just so fucking fair, dude. That game is fucked up.
It is. So fun.
Yeah, he played. His favorite is Chucky.
But if I'm not like so, I'm really particular with my online
games. OK.
Like for me, I kind of fell off the first person shooter train
years ago. It like it all just felt the
same. Time ago trying.
Like you, you can. You know, you can call this gun
whatever and make it shiny and do whatever kind of damage.
Yeah, I'm on a pod guy. I hate pod.
It's still just the first person thing with a little thing
floating in front of you and you.
Know you want to challenge? Go play Insurgency.
There's no reticle and bullet count.
Oh, it's fun my. My my biggest love right now is
the Fromsoft games. Oh yeah, you play in Eldon Ring
I. Love that shit.
I've read a platinum Sakiro and Liza P even though that's not
Fromsoft but like it's. You get to play.
What's that one? The monkey one.
Oh oh. Black myth.
Black Myth. Yeah, that game looked intense.
That's on my list. I'm very ready to play that.
You guys play near Automata? Not yet.
No, it's near automata. Yeah, yeah, I just barely beat
it actually. Dude.
Yeah, a game. Used to go.
For the first time I played it right like seven years after it
was released. But like, I really enjoyed it.
Trippy fucking game. That's cool.
Yeah, Yeah. That's very.
Strange and different style. Yeah, very anime, very creepy
Japanese guy. Yeah, yeah.
Can I see upper skirt? This is good.
If you self destruct, you blow off all of your clothes and you
got like a thong going up there and just like, like that's
what's going to make this Android more aerodynamic.
Like what's slowing her down? It's got to be the full
underwear. Fucking cut it down.
She's a stripper. From Venice, the design of 2B
may have been yeah, pretty perverted, but it was so.
Fun, yeah, but I mean, if you're really into it and you get to go
to a Comic Con, you're going to see some really awesome stuff.
Hopefully that what lady who's just you know, shouldn't be
wearing that what other nerdy games into.
Magic the Gathering, Yeah. Yeah, we love the magic.
Yeah. That's cool, I never got into
card games. That one is so good.
Dude it's ultra nerdy but it's super fun.
Yeah, no. I think it's been called or
titled The Most Complicated Game period.
All right, well, hey guys, thank you guys so much for coming.
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