1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,000 I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse we're. 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:09,040 Cannabis school having cannabis infused conversations with 3 00:00:09,040 --> 00:00:09,880 everyday. People. 4 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:12,080 Cannabis companies. Celebrities. 5 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,280 And your mom? Welcome to the sesh. 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,240 Jesse was like, hey, there's this metal band and we should 7 00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:22,640 have them on, my guy. Yeah, I mean, the prerequisite 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,400 is like, do you guys smoke weed? And you're like, yes, I'm like, 9 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,920 welcome aboard. That's all you have to do. 10 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,040 All right, so were you on acid when you bought your hoodie or 11 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,880 did you only get it to like do acid on and stare at I? 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,280 This would be really intense to stare. 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,200 At Oh my God, yeah, I'm like looking at that shit. 14 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,760 Super cool though. So it's it's. 15 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,240 A clip it's Yeah. Clip It's from a manga artist 16 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:52,480 named Junji Ito and his artwork is chess phenomenal. 17 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:53,800 I love all of his stuff. Have all. 18 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,760 Of his books? Books does he write or what 19 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,600 series? His most popular one, I think, 20 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,080 is Uzumaki. Uzumaki Yeah, it's like a SO. 21 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,239 I don't know anything about manga really, but my youngest is 22 00:01:05,239 --> 00:01:09,880 big into like we got her all the Demon Slayer books she's read, 23 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,080 all of that she's done. I have no idea. 24 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:14,440 Pretty cool she's. Demon Slayer? 25 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,040 Yeah, I've never read the manga either. 26 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,240 Yeah. That was so smooth. 27 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:19,640 Excellent. Right. 28 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,680 Amazing Jet. Filtrations. 29 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:23,240 Just got. Sick. 30 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:25,720 Yes, it's got a triple. Percolation or some kind of? 31 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,120 Quadruple. Yep. 32 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,760 Oh, here we go. Yeah, that, that's very smooth 33 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,720 my. Cousin, this is their extra. 34 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,160 Small one. That's the smallest one, and. 35 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,040 It's about that tall and it has she has five perks in it. 36 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,720 That's OK. So here, here's a fun story for 37 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,360 you. Back in the day, maybe like 10 38 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,320 years ago or something, Jordan may remember, I had this bong 39 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,480 that was probably like like from the ground up to here I do. 40 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:58,360 And it and it had like, I think it was 27 percolators like in 41 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:59,960 the stack itself. Holy shit. 42 00:01:59,960 --> 00:02:03,160 And then I added that little add on with more percolation. 43 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,400 Like the bowl one that's. So you had the bowl, the filter? 44 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,160 Yeah, it must sound like an earthquake. 45 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:10,680 Every time it took a hit it was amazing. 46 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,480 The ash capture filter. The ash capture filter that OK. 47 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,560 Dude, we we called it Hercules. It was gonna ask what its name? 48 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,040 Hercules. This is George Jetson. 49 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,880 But Hercules. Break that or sell it or 50 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:25,680 something. Oh, it broke at one of our 51 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:30,040 biggest parties. Oh, I thought it was one hell of 52 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,080 a party. If there was any way for that 53 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:35,080 thing to break, that was it. So I can't be that mad about it, 54 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,000 but it was bummer. Like this one's supposed to be 55 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,840 indestructible. Really beats the shit out of. 56 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,000 It they, they did videos on their site and they stood up 57 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,400 like climbed up on a six foot ladder and threw it on the 58 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,640 ground and it just bounced and the bowl flew out and that was 59 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:50,760 it. And they just picked up the 60 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,640 bowl, put it back in and it worked perfect. 61 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:55,240 And I was like, what the fuck? I don't want to test that. 62 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,000 What is the breaking point like? What do you have to do to? 63 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,240 Actually drive a car on it probably or something, yeah. 64 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:02,320 Like those other. Ones from a crazy hype. 65 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,720 Have you seen those other ones? They call them tank something or 66 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:06,200 other. They're made out of glass, but 67 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,960 they're indestructible. And you hear him hitting, and 68 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,560 you hear that pink. And it's a bong. 69 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,560 Yeah, it's a bong. It's super hard. 70 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,560 Like they took a truck and they drove over it. 71 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,480 They fucking threw it into this parking lot and it just hits the 72 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,680 ground and. And a Mercedes and then a Prius. 73 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,040 And you know the? Guy comes over, runs over real 74 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:25,840 quickly and. Fills the bowl. 75 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,080 Reason smokes it. It still works. 76 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:31,320 Like, man, I've got to have that. 77 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:31,760 It's. A real. 78 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,320 Tyrone like how? Far like the glass making 79 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,080 industry has come over the past. Like what, 1020 years? 80 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,360 Because so this has been over the last 10 years, this room has 81 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,160 been my smoking room and this is my old garage. 82 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:48,000 So the floor is all cement. There has been endless amounts 83 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,720 of pieces that have shattered on this brand new. 84 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,520 Like we, yeah, we had just gone to, me and my buddies had been 85 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:59,080 going to Colorado regularly at Cortez and getting flour and 86 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,120 coming back. So we were getting points at 87 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,480 this dispensary. And so we finally had gotten so 88 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,200 many points. I'm like, oh, look at this dope 89 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,320 bong. So we got the bong, we got it 90 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,640 back. We got some new flour and we get 91 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,720 back, we set it on the table and we're loading everything up and 92 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,560 it gets knocked off and shattered. 93 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,040 And it was like, we didn't even get to smoke out of it or 94 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,840 anything. And we're like, no. 95 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,560 Absolutely been there, especially with like a fresh 96 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,040 one. Yeah. 97 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,400 I've never had that happen. I, I just haven't been, I mean, 98 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,200 I haven't been in the in the bond game for. 99 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,200 In the flower he's. He started with pens when he got 100 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,080 back in and was doing pens for quite a while. 101 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,720 I. Kind of like them for occasional 102 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,320 like efficiency and just having something, but like they destroy 103 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,000 your tolerance it seems like. It. 104 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,720 Just doesn't feel the same and and we had a guest on and it was 105 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:55,520 the best description ever of of any kind of distillate That's 106 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,960 hot dog water. That's what it is. 107 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,440 It's hot dog water. It's not the. 108 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,360 Perfect reference. You get like. 109 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:02,800 A water. Yeah, yeah, dude. 110 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,160 Chocolate starfish. Yep. 111 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:12,160 And the hot dog flavored water. Like ultimate white guy dancing, 112 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,680 right? Instead of just like this, it's 113 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,400 like moving the whole body from the waist up. 114 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:18,760 Yeah. And that's it. 115 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:21,320 Just rolling, rolling, rolling. They do that guys. 116 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,000 It's. The songs about Molly. 117 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,000 Right, they just get fucked. Up, but oh dude, no, this, this 118 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,480 is like one of the coolest bongs we've ever. 119 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,960 Like we we got this. There was a period where we 120 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,720 started getting so much shit sent to us and we're not 121 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,440 complaining. It was awesome. 122 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:44,120 We got so many vaporizers, bongs and oh so many depth. 123 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,760 It's this kick ass promotional stuff that you get to like. 124 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:50,520 Oh, dude, because we, yeah, there we're like, we'll review 125 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,720 it on the show and and then everybody's like, what? 126 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,320 And so we I had this big fucking box in my house and Brandon like 127 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,840 above here, we ran out of places like. 128 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:01,800 So much shit. See that Little to do? 129 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:06,400 Giveaways we have like that's a. Canador So it's like a humidor 130 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,560 right for cannabis, but that fucking thing that's just like 131 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:14,480 one of like 7 we've had and we've caught some like 3 real 132 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:15,880 crazy ones, dude. Yeah, right. 133 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,160 Vegas. Vegas is the saddest fucking 134 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,240 place I've ever been. Dude it's a trash trash pit. 135 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,440 When I was a kid it was like the place. 136 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,520 It was the place where you get the leaflets with the chick with 137 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:26,480 the boobs. For real dude. 138 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,600 Oh dude I got you exact experience. 139 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,000 Fold it up, put in your name. Your mom's like, what'd you do 140 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:31,600 over there? Like. 141 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,600 Dude you just told like my 8 year old story. 142 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:37,120 There you go. No, I had AI, had a friend. 143 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,320 That is exactly what happened, man. 144 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,880 That's fucking funny, dude. I had a friend who actually 145 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,400 slipped and sprained his ankle on one of those little. 146 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,880 Oh, Flyers on the ground. On the ground. 147 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,160 Yeah, you got those? Clips, your titties broke my leg 148 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:53,800 exactly. Must. 149 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,360 Have been some hard nipples on. That really slippery. 150 00:06:58,480 --> 00:06:59,600 Nips. Toenails. 151 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,960 Too lubed up. Yeah, oh God, it's got those 152 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:07,920 slip nips and. You you gave out a used one, 153 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:08,840 Yeah. That's what they said. 154 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,000 There, it's a Wonderland for a young man. 155 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:14,280 I know, right? It was, it's on top of the 156 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:19,120 fucking like taxi cabs and it's lit up and it's like half a 157 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:20,720 nipple. I didn't even have to take 158 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,560 anything home. I just had to look at the ground 159 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,800 the whole time. Yeah, look at all the titties. 160 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,360 Yeah, but now, dude, we. Like trying to cover your eyes. 161 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:29,720 Yeah, don't look at the ground, kids. 162 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:30,520 Don't look. Up. 163 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,200 We need to get out of here. Yeah, it was weird. 164 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,520 Y'all looked like Deslins because she'd put towels over. 165 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:37,600 Their heads. Like don't look anywhere. 166 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,400 Fucking hell it truly is dude. But when we went back there for 167 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,240 MJ Biz Con, it was last last time. 168 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:45,880 Around. Oh, and during the week it was 169 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:46,640 last. December. 170 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,480 Sad place dude, it was so. Fucking sad because you just 171 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,120 seen these old fucking people there and you know they've been 172 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,840 doing this for a career because that guy's mad. 173 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,120 He's not even happy to be there. You see the young people, 174 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:01,360 they're like, Oh yeah, free drinks and money. 175 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,040 People are looking. At fucking Tuesday, says. 176 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,640 Garbage. Yeah, they're all from Florida. 177 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,520 Why are we here? Why are we here? 178 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,120 We retired. Was that or we're? 179 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,720 Retired to Vegas, right we. Go over here. 180 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,400 This place smells like old marble. 181 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,480 Isn't it? Isn't the weird juxtaposition in 182 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,080 Vegas? Like it's so bright and shiny, 183 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:21,920 but it's also so gross and dirty. 184 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,760 Yeah, dude, it's so weird. I think the biggest part for us 185 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,640 when we were driving around and we were looking for Planet 13, 186 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:32,159 it's massive dispensary down there and there is this sign 187 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,320 that says you know what I'm talking about, but there's a 188 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,799 sign there for a strip club and it talks about then you'll see 189 00:08:39,799 --> 00:08:44,560 Sandy Wednesday the 27th and then the next digital billboard 190 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:48,360 that comes up for that place is free daycare you're. 191 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,160 Like fuck. And all I kept thinking is 192 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,840 that's all I started thinking about inequality. 193 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:56,920 You know the races. You know why? 194 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,080 Because how dare they? That woman can get a job 195 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,160 dancing. The fuck I can't. 196 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,680 That's not going to work. People are like no dude, here's 197 00:09:05,680 --> 00:09:09,160 50 bucks, go away. I'll pay you not to dance. 198 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:10,800 Either that. Or it won't be a lot to dance. 199 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,040 People are flipping nickels. And shit. 200 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:14,560 People pay me to stop. Dance. 201 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:17,160 Please stop. It's. 202 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,160 Just like that place I keep thinking about like it was my 203 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:20,720 favorite strip club in the military. 204 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,640 I went to a one time for a retirement, but it just had the 205 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:29,000 best sign out there. It says Deja Vu, home of 1000 206 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,040 beautiful women and three ugly ones. 207 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,720 Yeah. And you get some like, not need 208 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,560 scary looking chick who's super skinny with a distended belly 209 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:42,520 and she's dancing on stage 3 to Rob Zombie. 210 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,200 And you're like, and people are giving her money and they're 211 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,360 like, yeah, dude. I honestly don't get it. 212 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,480 That's like I like to like. Because there's a lot of 213 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,040 charities out there, but these guys know what they're doing. 214 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:54,360 You're. Paying for blue balls. 215 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:57,400 It's just weird like. And. 216 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:58,960 You're like paying for affection. 217 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:00,120 That's gross. Yeah. 218 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,240 Right. Yeah, like. 219 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,480 Well, it's this chick comes over there and she's, she, you're 220 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,680 sitting like this. It's what I remember. 221 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,520 And I say that because everybody's like, fucking Jesse. 222 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,880 It's Saturday, fucking Friday. But no, dude, seriously. 223 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,560 Like you would sit there and then this girl would come over 224 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:19,880 there and she'd put her foot down like this, still the other 225 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,320 foot, like there. So she's opening her legs and 226 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,040 she's staring off like a construction guy. 227 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:27,960 Like just like I don't. Know Mr. You lost. 228 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:30,640 And and they got. This. 229 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,280 Standing over top you like Captain? 230 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,760 Morgan. Seriously, this is her job? 231 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,120 She's like a city worker. Yeah, definitely. 232 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,240 A city worker. So how long you been doing this? 233 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,040 I'm waiting for the new song to come on. 234 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:44,400 Do I? Have to pay for this too and 235 00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:46,960 then I'm like. She's like so mechanical. 236 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,160 Yeah, and I'm like, I don't, I don't want this. 237 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,760 And she goes, your friends paid for it. 238 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:53,880 Oh. Do I have to have it? 239 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,200 And they're all going, yeah, and. 240 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,960 Then she just starts dancing. I can't move or touch her 241 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,960 because there's this giant Aryan dude in the corner eyeballing me 242 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,040 and I'm like, fuck. And she's just like dancing over 243 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,600 there. And I'm like, so this is your 244 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,760 career. And they go no, I'm going to 245 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,480 college. And I'm like, all right, what 246 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,640 are you studying? Marketing. 247 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,680 And she's trying to rub on me. And I'm like, Oh my God. 248 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:20,040 And I'm just. Thinking. 249 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,440 Grinding on you. How many different colognes are 250 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,920 rubbing all over me? How many other dudes has she 251 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,440 been rubbing on? I'm like, Oh my God, this is 252 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:28,320 awful. Awful. 253 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,760 It's like it was the worst and guys are going like seven, $800 254 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,840 deep and they've been there for just maybe a couple hours and 255 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,840 I'm like, how do you hang here for 20 minutes? 256 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,440 I've never gone to a strip club still dude I it's never been 257 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,240 something. That once and now I will not 258 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,520 Yeah, and it was a. Big 1 and I would did it in New 259 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,240 York. Really. 260 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,480 Yeah, yeah. I just the concept to me seems 261 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:51,600 weird. It is weird. 262 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,200 It's disgusting, but. Like yeah, I would feel really 263 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,440 after. Experiencing it, you're like OK 264 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:59,720 cool, now I know. Like I, I've gone to like a 265 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:03,240 Cirque du Soleil kind of show that they put on a performance 266 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,640 and stuff. And that was cool. 267 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,680 It was unique, but it wasn't like someone coming up and 268 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:10,840 grinding on me and stuff and me going like, do I, what do we do 269 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:12,720 next? Like do I, I, I don't know you 270 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,280 just. Have to sit there awkwardly and 271 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:15,880 keep your hands by your pockets like. 272 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:17,720 But that doesn't sound appealing. 273 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,200 No, it doesn't. I don't. 274 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,000 Yeah. I'd rather connect to a human 275 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,960 and, like, have an, a, a personal connection. 276 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,680 Yeah, that just seems odd to me. And you know, they're just like 277 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:30,360 being nice to you, so you tip them more, right? 278 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,280 Like it is so fake. I wonder how it works now 279 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,760 though, because back in the day it was dollar bills. 280 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,960 Like I jokingly said that to this woman because she looked 281 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,520 around my age, she's middle-aged and I'm at Costco checkout and I 282 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:46,160 had a fuck ton of $1.00 bills and I'm like, I'm just going to 283 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,480 play with these and she's just like and I'm all. 284 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,680 It was a really good night. This last weekend. 285 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:54,800 I was on stage too. She goes. 286 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,840 Just pause. It just stares at me in a ball. 287 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,920 Yeah, you probably know me by my stage name. 288 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:02,280 Chad. Chad. 289 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:04,120 She goes. She's like. 290 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:05,480 Are you serious? And I'm like. 291 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:06,440 No. And I was like. 292 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:08,800 But I would always question somebody paying all with $1.00 293 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,520 bills, like, why is there a crease all the way in the 294 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,080 lengthwise, right, Right. I guess the guys are putting 295 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:16,240 these little pyramids down there. 296 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,440 But dude, it was like, what do they do now? 297 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,200 Like they venmower. Right. 298 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:21,600 I mean, what is it like what they're like? 299 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,640 Well, no. See, they just have that air tag 300 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,480 thing just right above their ass and you just tap your phone to 301 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:27,520 it. It's a tap to pay. 302 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:32,080 They put AQR code on their inner thigh and they go and then a 303 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,280 bunch of phones come up. Then you have to scan it. 304 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,440 But if they're dancing on you, you know, just have the tap to 305 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,240 pay right on their back. Oh yeah, they have it. 306 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,800 Sewn in their skin. Oh, microchips that we're 307 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,040 getting. Four lights light up four. 308 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:51,200 Green Oh, you're good to go. He can stay. 309 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:56,320 Don't kill him. Yeah, dude, it is such a an odd 310 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,000 thing. But, you know, for those who are 311 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,640 really into it, I mean, I think strippers have been killed off 312 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,680 by only fans. Yeah. 313 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:05,560 Yeah, I could see that. For sure. 314 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:09,600 Yeah, cuz now the awkwardness is just you in your room, in your 315 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:13,400 sad little room, and you're staring at the screen and you're 316 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,480 sweating. Right. 317 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,320 You're just upset. Yeah, thinking. 318 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,880 No, but you're a little. Yeah, it's weird. 319 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,240 It's like people hitting themselves with belts, right? 320 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,200 Just like. Dude, why are you doing that So. 321 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:26,680 Peculiar. It's weird. 322 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,680 It is weird, but you know what? To each their own, right? 323 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,800 Right? As the great prophet Ruth says. 324 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:33,800 Don't yuck someone's yums. That's right, Don't yuck 325 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,200 someone's yums. You'll you'll see an episode 326 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:37,600 with Ruth. We're we're trying to get her on 327 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,280 the show. She is the she's. 328 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,560 Just about ready. She's working on her project and 329 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,360 she's like, I want to have that ready before I come on. 330 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:44,720 All right, all right, That's fair. 331 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:46,520 Yeah. Because I was like, well, is 332 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,640 there anything that's like important to you that you'd want 333 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,200 to talk about that you know, we can mention just to kind of 334 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:52,520 support you at the end or something? 335 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,680 She's like, well, I've been working on it, but it's not 336 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,560 quite ready. I'm like, all right, we'll hold 337 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:57,480 off. OK, so. 338 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:00,120 I'll be really excited if it's something horrible. 339 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:04,880 I've been working on this meat collage. 340 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,240 And it's on sale, but. Buy it quick because it expires 341 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:15,040 in. 12 days. Well, it just develops, so it 342 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,320 becomes a terrible art. Piece. 343 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,080 Oh, that's right. It changes. 344 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:23,160 Collaters. Yeah, and textures and smells. 345 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:26,240 It's a whole experience. It's like a 5 dimensional art 346 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:27,800 piece. The only art. 347 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,760 Yeah, the only art piece that's refrigerated. 348 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,600 It's just called death and it's like the experience of 349 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,680 decomposition over time grossed. Yeah, it hits all 5 senses. 350 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,200 Yeah, because you pet. It would it become more valuable 351 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,120 as like it decays or less valuable? 352 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,800 There, there's just a big dare air sign next to it. 353 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,480 Someone lick it. But it's like the drug dare. 354 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,280 Oh. Shit dude, this is good. 355 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:53,880 This is a. Funny strain. 356 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,640 Dude, so this was Super Booth, you said right? 357 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,920 You ground up, man. Super Booth is awesome cuz we 358 00:15:58,960 --> 00:15:59,960 did. That's good stuff, I'm enjoying 359 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:01,840 it so far. We've done Super Booth before. 360 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,000 We did this from Arizona is. This like a hybrid of some sort. 361 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,440 Or no, this is a local grow. This is Dragonfly, yeah. 362 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,120 But let's see what? Good job, Dragonfly. 363 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:13,400 Very delicious dude. Strangers. 364 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,600 That's like one of the oh, hold on. 365 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:19,240 Good. There we go. 366 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,480 One of the one of these strains that they have, they're apples 367 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:24,360 and bananas. Yeah. 368 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,360 Oh my. It's the best to vaporize 369 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,280 because when you're smoking it like having you taste like what 370 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,960 could only be described as Red Delicious apple. 371 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,160 Like crispy? Yeah, Red crispy app. 372 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,800 No, no Red Delicious ones, but you're just tasting the peel and 373 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:46,640 slight apple, and then at the end it tastes like bananas. 374 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,720 That's wild. Yeah, as the bowl matures, you 375 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,680 taste bananas. They have a glazed apricot 376 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,880 Gelato, the best smelling strain. 377 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:56,880 Wow. It's amazing. 378 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:00,240 It smells like you want to eat the bud. 379 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,000 Yeah, it does. It smells sweet, it smells like 380 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,400 you want to eat it. But we didn't have a great 381 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,680 experience on it because our bodies, we, we might have had 382 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,440 just had way too. Much you liked it when you mixed 383 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,319 it with something. Though, yeah, when you mix it, 384 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,160 it's a great strain. Actually, just tincture that. 385 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:17,400 It's finishing the tincture this morning, but that's for Emily, 386 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:17,880 not for. Me. 387 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:20,200 Well, that'd be a cool to experience too, 'cause it could 388 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,960 be slightly different. Well, it's that mixed with Dos 389 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,560 Salado #8, so. That sounds like a sleepy time. 390 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:29,440 Well, that, that is what hers is. 391 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,120 It usually takes a tincture right before bed 'cause I had 392 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:35,120 made cannabis infused sugar and she was using that. 393 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:38,040 But then she was like, I don't like it's fine if she's wanting 394 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,760 to use it as a drink replacement 'cause like she bought panos and 395 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,400 that and pamas taste like bubble gum, the one that she got. 396 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,480 And she was like, so that's a weird thing to mix into a drink. 397 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,240 And I was like, well, I can if you're just wanting the infused 398 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,240 drinkable, I can make you THC infused sugar and you can put 399 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,480 like 1/4 of a teaspoon in the drink and make you drink. 400 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,720 So she did that and I was like, that's way easier. 401 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,400 But that's not her night time 1 because she always takes an 402 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,560 edible to go to bed. Yeah. 403 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,320 But it's like really slow dose. You should check out. 404 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,440 There are these ones around here called JAMS. 405 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,680 Oh, I've heard good things about those, Yeah. 406 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:20,680 They have a green apple that tastes like, you know, those 407 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:24,680 suckers, the caramel apples, That's what it tastes like. 408 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,080 OK, have you ever tried the dialed in gummies? 409 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:30,480 No, they're. In Colorado, and they're 410 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,000 incredible. The ones. 411 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,880 I is that the like the brand itself is? 412 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,120 Called dialed in, Yeah. There's a really, really good 413 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:39,400 one. It's like all natural fruit, 414 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,680 everything. It's called Wild from Oregon and 415 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,760 it tastes how. What would be the best way to 416 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,680 describe it? My kids have a treat. 417 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,360 It's like a fruit roll up, but it's dense and it's like a 418 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:55,480 stick. Delicious. 419 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:59,120 And that's what it, the consistency is like that. 420 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,280 But this was back in the day when my tolerance was much 421 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:03,840 lower. Like now I could probably eat a 422 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,320 full 10 milligram and be like, that's a nice day. 423 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,640 But before I would have been like, I had my switch. 424 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,360 We were in San, we were in California for a wedding. 425 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,360 And I got an edible from there. And my wife's like, hey, we're 426 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:19,320 getting ready to go to the, you know, the wedding. 427 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,000 I'm like, oh, cool, I just ate that laid in bed. 428 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,640 I was playing Zelda. I didn't even know I was there 429 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,520 for a while. And my wife was like, hey, we're 430 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:28,800 going. I'm like what? 431 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,160 She's like we're. Going I'm like, OK. 432 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,080 And I was like marrying her brother and his wife. 433 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,680 And so I was going to do the ceremony and I'm like, we're all 434 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:40,680 no. I mean, it was cool though. 435 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:41,360 I mean. Today. 436 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,200 So it was like what they thought. 437 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,400 Yeah. They're pretty. 438 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,960 Cool. Yeah, these guys. 439 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,120 Like each other? Yeah, let's. 440 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:51,360 Get this shit done. Let's. 441 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:53,000 Let's all be excellent to each other. 442 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,800 Yeah, man. Well, dude, guys. 443 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,360 Tell us about your band. Tell us about, I mean well. 444 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,720 Hang on, we got we got West and Jordan. 445 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,880 Yeah, from the Rationalist. Yeah, from Rationalist. 446 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,000 These guys are a metal band. They're big. 447 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,920 And Helsinki, that's what we just found out. 448 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,520 And Salt Lake. And Salt Lake, but hopefully 449 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,360 after today. Yeah, we can definitely go over 450 00:20:18,360 --> 00:20:20,960 those numbers. Yeah, yeah, no, but it's super 451 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,160 cool, man. Because you know, what's really 452 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:27,680 funny about West is that we met during the pandemic, actually. 453 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,120 Yep. So I remember when I was fixing 454 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:32,120 Playstations like crazy. Oh shit. 455 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:32,800 I. Had this. 456 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:37,080 I had PlayStation 4 and loved it, but it, you know, like many 457 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:38,960 of them did, it started to have some of the jet. 458 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,760 Nicks, was yours the one that had cockroaches in it or the one 459 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,000 that the girl? Yeah, I saw. 460 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,520 I saw pictures of that one and heard about that. 461 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:49,560 Yeah, Oh my God, the craziest shit I ever found was this giant 462 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:54,240 fucking angry looking centipede and not something you find on in 463 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,040 the stateside. I've never maybe in California, 464 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:02,200 but this, it was like a jungle 1 and I was like, and the guy was 465 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,520 from Hawaii and he's like hey, what's wrong with my 466 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,400 PlayStation? And I was like bro, this. 467 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,320 Baggie goes. This. 468 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,160 And you know where they're from because you, dude, like, you 469 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,240 know how like if if you ever worked in the call center and 470 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,320 you start punching in a, a credit card number, you, you 471 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,400 already know what kind of credit card it is. 472 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,200 Yeah. Or when you ask them like, you 473 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,840 know, and when I was in the military, if I tell them my 474 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,240 Social Security card, Social Security number to somebody, 475 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:30,520 they'd be like, oh, you're from Utah. 476 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:32,160 And I'm like, how the fuck do you know that? 477 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,320 Well, these numbers? And I'm like, you see it all the 478 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:36,280 time. That's why. 479 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,440 It's crazy interesting. Yeah, it's weird. 480 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,160 So me and my brother have our Social Security numbers are one 481 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,400 number different and we are two years apart. 482 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,440 It's just like our bar. Me and me and my sister are that 483 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,200 way too. Really no joke. 484 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,720 Wow, yeah, that's wild. Strange. 485 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:53,960 Yeah, isn't it? Yeah. 486 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,800 And we're, I was like, cuz we're, we're two years apart. 487 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,960 We're not in Parks I. Think we're like 10 months 488 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,920 apart. Yeah, my parents got Yeah, it 489 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,840 was quick. I Well, his kids are the. 490 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:04,680 Dad was. Eager. 491 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,680 He's. Like the the calendar says. 492 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,000 Your mom can do this again. At. 493 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,080 Least one of them was baby hungry after the first right? 494 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,880 Or at least, or at least practicing, you know, that's oh 495 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:18,480 man, that's. Crazy. 496 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,440 So how long have you guys been in band? 497 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,920 Been a while? Rationalist been around? 498 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,680 Yeah, OK, so interesting story. Me and Jordan have been jamming 499 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,360 since 2012. Yeah. 500 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:33,240 That's when Weston I met 12. And it was on Craigslist. 501 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,040 I was like scouring Craigslist for people to join. 502 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,120 My was that on like casual encounters or? 503 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:41,240 Men looking. It was men looking for men, 504 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,320 actually, Yeah. Now they they have this category 505 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,080 like musician, some such I can't remember it was a long time. 506 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:50,280 Ago find gear and try. To find that place was awesome, 507 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,440 was it not? Because I met some really 508 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,080 interesting people through Craigslist. 509 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:56,120 But that's. Only did it a few times, but 510 00:22:56,120 --> 00:22:58,640 yeah, it was just, you know, put a post on there like I need to 511 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,640 find someone. I don't care what the hell I do 512 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,800 like, I'll figure it out. I just need to like what do you 513 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,160 guys need? So yeah, Wes put out this like 514 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,640 broad post about I can play whatever instrument and I can 515 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,240 sing or whatever. And so I'm like, cool, we need a 516 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,600 drummer and a singer. And we get West in there and 517 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,360 he's well. The first time I met him, he was 518 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:22,400 wearing a pink cast on his arm and he came for a drum audit. 519 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,160 Broke my thumb and it scraped myself up really good. 520 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,880 You're gonna play the. Drums. 521 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,600 He was supposed to be coming in for a drum audition initially. 522 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,520 Can wait. Was your arm busted or what? 523 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,200 What was? It was my thumb like had gone 524 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,200 down here from like. Catching OK. 525 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:38,840 On. The longboard. 526 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,240 So you fucked up your thumb and you were gonna try and drum? 527 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,360 Yeah. Well, the opportunity was there, 528 00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:46,160 it's just the timing was so shitty, right? 529 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,520 So he's like that guy on Black Hawk Down, he pulls out his K 530 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,880 bar and he cuts it off. And starts drumming. 531 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,680 Let's go. He's crying like that. 532 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,400 That what? You've ever seen that movie? 533 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,320 What's his name? JK Simmons. 534 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:05,400 It's a jazz movie about drumming. 535 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,800 Oh dude, it's. Oh yeah, It's like, what's it 536 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,280 called, 2013? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 537 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:12,760 I was talking to a guy about it just the. 538 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,080 Other day shit. But dude, it is like like you're 539 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,240 like, I'm not going to watch this shit and you're getting 540 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,040 this guy who's JK Simmons. You guys know who JK Simmons is? 541 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:24,440 No. He played that the head of the 542 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:29,720 paper for the Daily Planet and he hated Peter Parker. 543 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,600 He hated Spider Man. He hated Spider Man and he would 544 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,840 always, he'd be like. Parker, get in here right. 545 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,440 The guy with the mustache. Yeah, that. 546 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:37,600 Guy. Yeah, that guy. 547 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,720 But he's bald and he's like, this guy's playing the drums and 548 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,440 he's like, play it again and he hears it again and he throws a 549 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,600 chair at him. I I no I've seen clips from this 550 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:49,880 I have not seen. Call I've. 551 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,000 Seen, I've seen. Clips. 552 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,600 What the fuck, dude? I know now I'm going. 553 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,640 To look it up right now, I totally had it. 554 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,200 Brought up the other day. Dude, what is it? 555 00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:01,000 All right, so you showed up with a with a busted arm. 556 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:01,840 Talk about. Your busted. 557 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,000 Arm and I'm. Like, OK, I had this drum kit 558 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,440 set up. In there right now. 559 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,200 And I was like, OK, cool, get behind the key, I'll play this 560 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,920 song. And we start ripping through it. 561 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,880 And Wes is just kind of casually just jamming. 562 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,440 Boots and cats and boots and cats. 563 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,160 Yeah, we're. Playing this aggressive metal. 564 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,280 Shit and. I was like, shit, with that one 565 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,280 song, I was just like, dude, that's not gonna work out. 566 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,360 You said you could sing, right? So I had this PA set up. 567 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,600 I handed in my mic and we was like, hey, let's RIP through 568 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,760 that song again. I thought that any Wes just 569 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,000 comes out like a monster on it, screams. 570 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,240 So we were like, yeah, you're the guy. 571 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,880 You're the guy. It was instant like Yep. 572 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,320 That's wild. Yeah, but that's kind of funny 573 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,520 story. So do you just sing in the in 574 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,520 the band now or do you play? I do all the harsh vocals, I 575 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,080 help write like some of the other instruments as we produce 576 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,640 self produce the stuff. Yeah, Wes and I are the primary 577 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:55,880 composers in the band. Yeah. 578 00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:58,880 So it's called WE. Bounce our ideas back and forth, 579 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,520 pick up the instruments, throw down MIDI and just bounce ideas. 580 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,360 And yeah, but in terms of other instruments live, it's a little 581 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:09,800 too intricate for me to do that. And the vocals. 582 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,840 At the same time at the. Same time, at least like with 583 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,440 our the timing structures we're trying to go. 584 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:16,640 For, that's for. Sure. 585 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,800 So just not realistic, Yeah. And. 586 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,880 Serious. Props to any musician who does 587 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,400 that. For sure, that's like some crazy 588 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:24,880 white stripe shit. Right. 589 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,560 It's crazy. Two people. 590 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,560 So how many people are in the mail? 591 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,360 There's four of us. There's four of us, yeah. 592 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,640 But we we have written most of this new EP of ours. 593 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,000 Nice, that's. Cool. 594 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,400 Is that the one that just came out? 595 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,800 Yes, OK, yeah, I did go to your Spotify page and I was like oh 596 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,240 they had a single and then you had a a new release that was 597 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,760 out. So that's way. 598 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,560 It's been, oh, a month. A month and a half, yeah. 599 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,200 Yeah, September 27th. Yeah, I've been listening to it 600 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,240 for quite a bit, going to the gym and everything like that. 601 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,080 So I'm a big Metal fan. Branded. 602 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,600 Not so much. No, I do a little bit of metal, 603 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,360 but it just. Little James Taylor, you know, 604 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,280 some bad shit. Just. 605 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:05,240 Kidding. What? 606 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,800 What kind of metal do you like? Like who's? 607 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,320 Maybe. Your favorite artist? 608 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,760 Favorite artist is Lamb of God. Oh incredible. 609 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,480 After that, shadows fall. They just got back together. 610 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,440 They're out. I'm stoked for that dude. 611 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,320 I grew up with the new wave of American heavy metal stuff, and 612 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,760 that's why my primary roots. Yeah, Hate Breed. 613 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,120 Oh man, I was such a big fan of Hate Breed. 614 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,840 But like Lincoln Park was our gateway drug is what West and I 615 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,520 like to say yeah. Nice, mine was Metallica when I 616 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,560 was a kid. That kind of came after Linkin 617 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,080 Park for me. I love Metallica, absolutely. 618 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,360 Yeah. Like those things have 619 00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:40,320 definitely. Existed before we heard Linkin 620 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:44,400 Park, but I think like, for us, like, it was kind of like, oh, 621 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,360 man, this clicks. I understand that that side of 622 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:51,720 music now, yeah. Because before that, I, my, my 623 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,680 family didn't listen to rock at all. 624 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,520 And my parents were like pop and like soft rock of like the 80s 625 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,280 and 90s and shit. And so that's what my parents 626 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,320 listened to. And then when I was young, I 627 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,760 thought I was black and literally listened to rap and 628 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,240 that was about it. And then like 9th grade, I had 629 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,520 an introduction to like Linkin Park and a handful of other 630 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,560 artists. I like yellow cards. 631 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,280 Some other things came in. I was like, OK, like I started 632 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,040 learning that side of stuff and I was like, all right, I can 633 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,240 appreciate this. And then I got into like 634 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,800 disturbed and custom of a down and stuff and I was like, OK, 635 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,960 sounds so good like. They they were definitely one of 636 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,520 those like. But I never got like, I think 637 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,920 there's some Lamb of God ones that I've, I don't know, it was, 638 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:35,800 I like tool. There's some really good tool 639 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,280 ones that I like I haven't listened to. 640 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,720 All of tool tools. Incredible. 641 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,080 I saw them. From the last time last year is 642 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:46,200 it's crazy dude. It's got 3 bands. 3 bands, Yeah, 643 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,520 it's got Perfect Circle and Pucifer. 644 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,600 I love perfect circle they have. Several you. 645 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,640 You like Pucifer. You really like Pucifer because 646 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,560 it's not. It's not metal by any means. 647 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,080 It's not really. I don't know what the fuck it 648 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,200 is. Weird ass Primus derived type 649 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,080 of. Thank you. 650 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,560 That's what it is. But I mean, it's got like this 651 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,440 it it's dude, like on the the show Yellowstone, they've got 652 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,280 like three of their songs on there. 653 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,040 Huh. Yeah, it's crazy, but no, I I 654 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,280 grew up, but I I started getting into the heavy stuff from 655 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,640 shadows fall dude nice back on it's. 656 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,440 Like one of the first metal shows I ever saw. 657 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,680 Oh. Dude, those guys are awesome, 658 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,840 Brian. Brian's also with his hair, with 659 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,040 his hair like sweeping the. Ground now that motherfucker's 660 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,200 like 50 and he's still got Yeah dude, they are huge. 661 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:29,880 What's your guys's first metal show? 662 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,720 I'm curious now. Oh, for me, my first metal show 663 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,840 was Metallica was in it was in Washington back when I was in 664 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:38,920 the Navy. Nice. 665 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,520 So I mean, I saw them, but you know, I saw Disturb, but I 666 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,560 didn't see a lot of metal bands. I saw a lot of local bands. 667 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,800 Sure here cuz Utah's just metal. It's kind of metal. 668 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,680 Awesome scene, man. Dude, you. 669 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,160 Know it's like it might be a little bit smaller than other 670 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,720 places, but like it's tight. Dude, metal bands come here all 671 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,400 the time. They love coming here. 672 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,040 Yeah. I mean, you can see Lamb of God 673 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,200 here almost twice a year now because they're touring so much. 674 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,560 Sure, I saw them last year. I missed them this year but. 675 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,680 I haven't, dude. You know, here's the There's a 676 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,880 shitty thing. I have not gone to a metal show 677 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,440 in decades because I'm a dad now and all that. 678 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:21,040 And we like. Yeah, oh, dude, I need to. 679 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,480 I need to get back into. Bro, I went to three concerts 680 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,000 this year, which was nuts 'cause I haven't gone to concerts in a 681 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,720 while, I feel like. And so I think Breaking Benjamin 682 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,920 and Corn was my only metal concert probably that I could 683 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,520 done. That's like the most metal that 684 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,000 I've gone to. And then I went to 21 Pilots in 685 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,880 just a couple months ago. But that's not metal. 686 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,400 Oh, they're great. Oh, it's amazing. 687 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,840 Yeah. I just it's not metal. 688 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,600 How many shows did you go to last year, Jordan? 689 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,080 Last year I went to like 60. Fuck yeah. 690 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,120 This year I that's more than one a week bro holy shit. 691 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:56,360 There were those. Weeks. 692 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,640 Are they all like they're not all in Utah? 693 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,880 They were primarily primarily I saw I saw Meshuga in Boston. 694 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,360 That was a wow Meshuga. I did, yeah. 695 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,840 So. It was weird for me to go to 696 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,720 Boston and see this like experience with this incredible 697 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,720 band and have like the crowd be so much more powerful and huge 698 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,240 than the Utah. Like Boston is like where 699 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,440 hardcore was born kind of and like it was nuts. 700 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,480 The the, the moshing in there and the. 701 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,720 Yeah, that sucks. Intense it. 702 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,720 Was incredible. Yeah, I I can't it put. 703 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,480 It put Utah to shame but I'm not even trying to dog on Utah. 704 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,920 It was just weird to see the. Yeah. 705 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,440 The different contrast the. Contrast, yeah, because Utah 706 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,600 scene is awesome and I love to go to shows, so yeah. 707 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,480 I go to home all. The time it's like Jesus, it's a 708 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,680 way of life, you know? That's cool, man. 709 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,440 Do you just get the season tickets at like all the. 710 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,640 I just like kind of wait for the announcements to come out and if 711 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,120 I'm like I love that band, I'm usually just going to pick up a 712 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,760 ticket. No, I know what it is. 713 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,000 He's like, oh, someone's coming to town. 714 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:03,240 Pete picks. Pete picks. 715 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,480 Yes, Pete picks. I'm up there. 716 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,960 Only fans. Over there, gonna show a little 717 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,200 heel this time. And then this year I've probably 718 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,960 been to closest to that many gigs. 719 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,160 That's cool. Yeah, shows are awesome and I 720 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,960 like to support that. And I love to discover new 721 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,640 music. And yeah, it's a party too. 722 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,520 Got a lot of good friends. It's a weird network. 723 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,960 Sometimes it feels like metal Church A. 724 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,880 Little bit like the gymnastic. Yeah, you go up, you see all 725 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,000 your old friends, so you've seen it, all these other shows you. 726 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,280 See them That's like we all we all came here to worship. 727 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:34,280 No, I'm just kidding. But like. 728 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,400 No, but it is. I mean it. 729 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,920 The metal community is not what people think it is. 730 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,280 They think it's just like a bunch of devil worshippers, like 731 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,160 who brought the goat. Yeah. 732 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:44,720 And the chicken for sacrifice. It's. 733 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,440 Like weird stereotypes right? But people are just ignorant to 734 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,680 that. They really are. 735 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,440 It's usually like really down to earth folks in them. 736 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:52,440 Super. Oh yeah. 737 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,040 Peaceful people that have a lot of anger, really nice people in 738 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,080 a constructive way and that's. The place to do it, it's in in 739 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,080 the safe environment where all these people are going nuts over 740 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,640 something they all love. Like, I don't know if you guys 741 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,400 have ever like been on the edge of a mosh pit, but like if 742 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,320 anyone trips or anything like that, everyone like there's like 743 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,920 four or five people sweeping like and then pick them up, 744 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,960 everyone starts pushing everyone else away in the middle of the 745 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,440 middle of the March. There's a culture of, like, 746 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,280 people looking out for each other, yeah. 747 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,440 Yeah, it's definitely a warrior type culture. 748 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,200 Too, Because no, I I was at a show a few weeks ago and I had 749 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,200 that like revelation while watching. 750 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,640 I was like, we're so tribal. Like, look at everybody. 751 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,040 Oh fuck yeah, I was. Like this is very peculiar. 752 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,000 You know it was like that, like zoomed out moment. 753 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,960 Yeah, it's not like going to like a rap concert where 754 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,760 somebody who got shot out and well, I mean, depending on where 755 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,400 you're at, that kind of metal, but. 756 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,480 Got all these Cavemen fucking pacing in the middle of the pit 757 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,680 like we're all just like. And if, believe it or not, like 758 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,560 a lot of people there at most will just have like alcohol. 759 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,080 Like it's not like where you go to a rave and you see all these 760 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,880 other drugs going on in the same ones that'll go on. 761 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:01,480 I've seen at rap concerts before. 762 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,640 It's just alcohol and weed, it's pretty much. 763 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,960 Pretty much it, yeah. That's cool. 764 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,760 So let's go into. Cannabis though, is cannabis 765 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,920 part of your creation process? Certainly. 766 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,440 Yeah, I would say so. Take us through that. 767 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,480 The creation process. Yeah, like where, where do you 768 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,320 come up with a song? Like it's usually like out of 769 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,920 fucking nowhere, right? Yeah, or something. 770 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,000 Or it's kind of inspired by someone else or some other 771 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,560 outside influence like oh, this song in this movie. 772 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,719 I love the how these 3 or 4 notes flow. 773 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,880 I want to write something. Yeah, W is always like throwing 774 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,600 me these like little ideas that are he's been been inspired by. 775 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,840 So he's always getting inspired by weird stuff. 776 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,239 Do you ever, does he ever give you stuff? 777 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,600 And you're like, dude, no. But then later on it turns out 778 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,120 to be awesome. Definitely. 779 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,199 Oh yeah, for sure. Because that reminds me of this 780 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,080 documentary I saw in Lamb of God. 781 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,520 I know I'm obsessed with those guys. 782 00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:58,800 Randy Blythe is fucked. I. 783 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,000 Love that. Like, that's a big foundation of 784 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,440 like, how I write riffs and stuff. 785 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,440 Yeah. Learning from Lamb of God and 786 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,520 bands like Trivium. Trivium. 787 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:13,200 Trivium has always been like my primary favorite from that. 788 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,680 Really. Is that where a lot of your 789 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,160 influence comes and you're absolutely. 790 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,040 Trivium and Lamb of God and Azley dying like all that. 791 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,680 Remains. Oh yeah, as I lay down those 792 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:21,440 kind. Of bands. 793 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,960 Dude, I've got a whole. Azley dying is a shit show right 794 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,680 now but. Back in the day. 795 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,680 Dude, but it's just like the. Talent legendary back then for 796 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,200 sure. Well, it's kind of it's. 797 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,400 Really hard for bands because like, you know, the one thing 798 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,200 like Lamb of God came out with a new album and it was not as good 799 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,680 as I wanted it to be. And I was just like, you know, I 800 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,760 understand the evolution of music, but sometimes it feels 801 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,440 like like Metallica, like in the early 2000s, they sold out. 802 00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:52,320 They used to be metal. All their songs were 803 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,040 traditionally about politics. People are like oh they're Satan 804 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,720 worshippers. Nope, he's talking about. 805 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:02,080 Listening to the. Failing of society, the failing. 806 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,720 Take the time to we'll talk about their. 807 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:06,280 Feelings. No, it's just oh those devil 808 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,240 worshippers. I can't understand all this 809 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,600 noise. Dude, that's one of the fun. 810 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,120 Just rah rah, rah rah rah rah rah rah. 811 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,520 It's not that hard to Google. Do a little sing along, Google 812 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,240 the lyrics, read along with it, Yeah. 813 00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:20,680 And eventually you'll start to just pick out exactly what 814 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,880 you're saying without even needing the lyrics. 815 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,280 You'll just know what, what's what's. 816 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,800 Going on, I was telling Brandon's like, man, they scream 817 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:27,720 a lot. And I'm like, yeah. 818 00:36:27,720 --> 00:36:29,000 And they're. All the lyrics. 819 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,760 I just, I don't hear it always and I'm like, I don't pick out 820 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,040 those to me. Have you ever like did you like 821 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:35,480 coffee the first time you tried it? 822 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,640 Yes, OK, But I was child. I was. 823 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,200 Like beer the first time you tried it? 824 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,040 No. OK. 825 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,840 So like did you like it later or maybe? 826 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,200 A choir, but see, I like some, I like some screaming and that in 827 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,320 it, but I was like, oh man, it it's a lot more screaming and 828 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,200 I'm like, it's, it's just not usually the vibe I go for. 829 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,440 And so I'm like, man, it's if I listen to him over and over, I 830 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,040 can pick out words, I can pick out things. 831 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,000 But if it's like the first time around, I usually can't because 832 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,360 I'm like Oh shit I have no idea what the fuck they're saying. 833 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,080 I certainly, I certainly try to enunciate like. 834 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,640 Oh yeah. Well, it's, it's insane. 835 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:15,400 So I have a cousin's husband. He used to, he had a a like a 836 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,000 Christian band, but they were a screamo Christian band. 837 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,880 And so he was the gutter roll like I don't feel. 838 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,080 Like, but that wasn't too bad. But that's what he would do and 839 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,520 I'm like, fuck, how do you do that for extended periods of 840 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,520 time, 'cause when I do even like something for a short bit, my 841 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,840 throats like, yeah, what in the hell are you taking? 842 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,160 Through that a technique, it's a real technique, like so teaches. 843 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,920 OK, OK, let's can. So yeah, dude, this. 844 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,560 Sounds awesome, now I'm gonna learn how to do it so I always 845 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,320 want to. Spend hours upon hours upon 846 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,880 months of years, right? And like everywhere I drive I'm 847 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,640 making weird ass noises in my car. 848 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,080 Like as strange as I can get it. Dude, you should do. 849 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,000 Uber and we'll record. Uber drive and just. 850 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,040 Uber. Just like. 851 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,800 Set up cameras within it. And all the passengers are just 852 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,160 like, what's going on? I love the end. 853 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,080 Just go. Thanks so much for riding with 854 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,880 me. Leave me a five star review. 855 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:18,600 So a lot of it is learning how to make those weird noises, 856 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,080 right? And so making a like a buzzer on 857 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:26,840 a game, game show, right? And you try to take that sound 858 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,440 and you try to bring it further back and compress your vocals. 859 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,160 And another fun weird noise is like trying to attempt I'm not 860 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,120 the best at it but like Mongolian throat singing. 861 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:44,560 Right. Yeah. 862 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,920 Those are their nuts. I'm yeah, I can't do it very 863 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:49,440 well. He's got. 864 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,360 A He's got a didgeridoo in his throat. 865 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,000 But. You try to make all these weird 866 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,240 noises and add that compression until it This sounds really 867 00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:01,760 scratchy and the more compression you have the the 868 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,560 more you can let that air out in a in like slow controlled 869 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:07,360 manner. OK. 870 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,680 It's all a balance between the tank, Yeah, and the throat, 871 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,280 right? Your diaphragm. 872 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,760 So you, you take those noises and then you just try to tighten 873 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,720 your those muscles that as you feel like, oh, these are 874 00:39:17,720 --> 00:39:19,440 vibrating at a really consistent. 875 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,320 Yeah. You try to take those muscles 876 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,960 and then tighten them just a little bit more until like 877 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:30,040 you're getting that wet kind of dry kind of stuff, right? 878 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,600 How like what does your throat feel like the next day after? 879 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,680 Totally fine. Yeah, so you have. 880 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,560 To develop. It you don't muscle, yeah. 881 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,720 Hurt your voice, Yeah, if if you're yelling, yeah, Like you 882 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:44,560 would if you were like. A lot of people think it like 883 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:49,720 there is screaming, like actual screaming, and then there is 884 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,000 like a whole subsection of like different techniques. 885 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,160 Techniques of screams. Fry, Pitch yells. 886 00:39:58,360 --> 00:39:59,880 Yeah, fried. That's like more rainy. 887 00:39:59,960 --> 00:40:01,120 Rolls. Yeah, and that. 888 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,640 And that's what I do a lot of. And that's that's where you get 889 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,520 that really scratchy compressed sound, full on yelling. 890 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,920 Even then, it's not as easy as it sounds. 891 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,320 You can go up to anybody, say scream like me for like, like, 892 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,000 like you're in a metal band and. It's it's not going to sound 893 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,800 like and. It's really difficult for. 894 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,600 Me, it's a it's a whole thing. Oh yeah, people undersell it. 895 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,400 Like to prove that like this is a real technique that takes a 896 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,080 lot of. Oh, I can imagine, because I'm 897 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,000 like, I know whatever the hell I attempt is not whatever they are 898 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,080 doing. Yeah. 899 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,600 So like professionals end up it's all about getting a good 900 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,760 sound with the least amount of pressure is. 901 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:43,560 Possible. Yeah, right. 902 00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,440 I'm not letting all my air out at once. 903 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,360 I'm trying to. Quietly as possible, but still 904 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,280 maintain your tone. That's what professionals are 905 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,840 out there doing every night because they're trying to 906 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,200 maintain their organic instrument every. 907 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,200 Yeah. That's crazy. 908 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,160 Yeah. So it's this whole thing. 909 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,040 I mean, the way I'm trying to compete is like, is like 910 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,720 powerlifting. You do a lot of breathing and 911 00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:07,520 bracing. And so it's the same mentality. 912 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,440 I mean, you this vessel, you're trying to and you're trying to 913 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,800 just like make it as dense as a beer can. 914 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,400 Yeah. And if you do it wrong, you're 915 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,360 going to cause inflammation and damage, and the next night 916 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:19,640 you're not going to be able to perform. 917 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,720 Yeah, like I, I can blow out my voice, right. 918 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,520 But if I'm not using the right techniques, if I overdo it and I 919 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,560 can, I can recognize now like, Oh, my throat is starting to 920 00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:35,800 feel that way, where I need to take a break and I'll be a OK 921 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,400 the next day. Yeah, yeah. 922 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,640 I don't think we're going to see any metal dudes, like, in their 923 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,560 70s going up on stage because like, you see, like Steven Tyler 924 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:50,600 from Aerosmith, he just retired because he tore his vocal cord, 925 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,160 literally tore him. And they're like, yeah, it is 926 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:53,680 really. Nothing. 927 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,800 It entirely depends on the person, right? 928 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,680 I think it's just how disciplined they are through 929 00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,200 their life and how they treat it. 930 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,080 Like musicians can get really, really, like, ritualistic about 931 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,520 how they take care of those things. 932 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,600 Yeah. Well, I mean, that's it's not 933 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,760 just your money maker, it's your passion, right? 934 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,560 So I mean, it's cool if it's your money maker, but. 935 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:16,400 So how long were you drive? Have you always been just making 936 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,560 weird noises and shit like since you were little? 937 00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:21,600 Yeah, actually, yes. So. 938 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,840 Can you beat box? I was really into Legos, right? 939 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,080 OK, and so I would always make all these little spaceships and 940 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:35,520 shit and right and and make all these weird little laser sounds 941 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,600 and explosion sounds and really enjoyed the explosion sounds. 942 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,320 For whatever reason, those are really fun. 943 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,760 So try doing that. I for whatever reason, believe 944 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,760 it or not, tonsils play a part in this. 945 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,200 I noticed a significant difference in how my throat did 946 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,840 all these noises after I got my tonsils out, so I can't do the 947 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,240 explosions as well as I could when I had my tonsils. 948 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,360 It's weird. Yeah. 949 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:58,800 And. That's where I still have mine. 950 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,640 Yeah. And my experience, like learning 951 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,680 how to sing was just like I was eight years old and I was in a 952 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,640 singing and dancing group perform like Beach Boys songs 953 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,240 and all these stupid covers that like. 954 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,040 Old I did. I did something similar about 955 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,440 that same age too. And so I like learned how to 956 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,720 sing properly at a young age and I've so. 957 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,320 But I can't scream worth a damn, really. 958 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,640 Yeah, I can't either. So you hear me in my car it it 959 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:28,480 sounds like cats are being. There is screaming, but Fry, if 960 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,960 you think of it like this, you're, you're not making it 961 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,200 loud, you're just making it. You're just making the sound and 962 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,040 and. Give us an example. 963 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,880 So it's actually fairly quiet and like the closer you get to 964 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,960 the mic and you kind of muffle it up a little bit like the the 965 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,280 thicker it sounds. That's how you see those. 966 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,160 Eating the mic. Yeah, pretty much cupping out a. 967 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,720 Little creating, creating a little bit of air distortion 968 00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:57,640 inside there it's just. Because it sounds way more when 969 00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:58,760 you are. Eating. 970 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,720 It's all coming from the equipment. 971 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,800 Yeah, I'm just making the sound, Huh? 972 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:09,080 So because I we turn up the vocal input a lot to make to 973 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,960 compensate for that, like quiet the level. 974 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,160 Yeah. And so when I do those louder 975 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,440 yells, I can hold it out. Yeah. 976 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,760 And and still try to maintain that distance where it sounds 977 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,720 good at the same level. Wherever that. 978 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:23,760 Distance. When you can hear it, you're 979 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,000 monitoring in it and you're in ears and so you're like you can 980 00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:29,560 articulate. Oh, that makes it fantastic. 981 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,000 Yeah, well, that's what we realized 'cause we tried an 982 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,400 episode, I think without headphones once and it was like, 983 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,400 oh dude, it was way different. We didn't realize. 984 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,560 And and so from then on we're like, we actually now anytime we 985 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,720 do Zoom ones, we can't hear ourselves because we have to 986 00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:48,240 plug it in. We only hear them. 987 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,680 So it's really weird when we do Zoom episodes 'cause we're like 988 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:54,920 usually we're used to hearing are in ears in that. 989 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,760 And it's like it's so weird to do that because we only do zoom 990 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,720 ones once in a while. Most of our episodes are in 991 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:07,240 person. I have a steel series gaming 992 00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:10,960 headset and it has a nice little volume control for your own mic 993 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,840 input and if that ever gets turned down and I start talking 994 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,360 with the noise cancellation everywhere else it's it's odd. 995 00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:20,360 Everything else is so loud and clear and I'm just like this 996 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,080 muffled little nothing. It's so weird to speak when. 997 00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:24,320 You can't hear. It's weird. 998 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:25,840 Yeah, the same thing with singing. 999 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,120 It's so it's hard to sing if you cannot hear it. 1000 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:29,440 Right. Oh, I can imagine. 1001 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,520 So that's why we have our in ear monitors now and they've been a 1002 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,400 game changer. How long have you guys had in 1003 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,000 ears? Just for a couple of years, 1004 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:38,600 yeah. OK. 1005 00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:43,960 Yeah. So you were looking, were you in 1006 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,760 like, did either of you have a band prior to or like? 1007 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:52,000 Back in 2012, yeah, I played in a band back home in Richfield 1008 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:54,400 called Libertatia with my buddies. 1009 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,160 So are you bass? Are you 6 string? 1010 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,160 Are you? Back then it was a six string 1011 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,600 electric guy. OK, what are you playing now? 1012 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,680 A. Seven string, yeah. 1013 00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:07,200 What the fuck is a 7 string? A guitar with seven strings? 1014 00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:08,000 Yeah. What is that? 1015 00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,680 Added. It adds a lower string on the 1016 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:11,320 top. Is it a? 1017 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,200 Lower. So what? 1018 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,640 Is the lower. Now you envision the six string 1019 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,000 guitar, right? All six strings one note or the 1020 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,880 next string lower. Is it just another like cuz 1021 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,160 they're? If it's. 1022 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:23,800 Obviously you can tune it down like this. 1023 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,480 Yeah, we turn it down to a drop tuning. 1024 00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,960 What is it typically at on that seventh string? 1025 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,240 Is it like an A? Is it an E? 1026 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,560 It is an A, yeah, OK. If it was tuned standard, it 1027 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,000 would be AB. So we just drop that down a step 1028 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,760 and that's kind of where we play at. 1029 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,120 Like that's wild. Lots of tons of metal bands are 1030 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,520 used in the drop tuning. It's kind of, it makes sense, 1031 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,560 yeah. It changes the whole sound. 1032 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,520 Makes a lot of those intricate chords and shredding, it just 1033 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,360 feels like a lot more. Sound fantastic? 1034 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,120 Yeah, when it. Changes the way that you play 1035 00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,840 chords up there too. So people, yeah, really enjoy 1036 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,720 how efficient it is and it's lower and perceived. 1037 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:00,560 As heavier. But like, tuning doesn't really 1038 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,360 affect heaviness heard. Of A7. 1039 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,920 So there's 8 and 9 string guitarist. 1040 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:06,120 Yeah, I've heard of that. Oh. 1041 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,640 Oh yeah. Crazy like Aaron Lewis plays an 1042 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:14,120 8 string from stained so he he play the only reason I know 1043 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,240 about that because I look like him. 1044 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,280 You do now that you say that. I do dude. 1045 00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,520 Like it's fucking even them with my glasses. 1046 00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:25,520 Pretty Aaron Lewis right now. Do well because my mom lives out 1047 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,960 in Mass near him and he's like in the country now. 1048 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,720 He did country for a long time and now they're kind of coming 1049 00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:34,760 back and they're more like the emo rock. 1050 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,640 You know, that's funny. I loved them when I was a kid. 1051 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,400 Oh yeah, they're great. You know, they used to be metal, 1052 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,960 but then, you know, old hot dog flavored water guy Fred Durst 1053 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,160 found them and he's like, he should do more melodic ones. 1054 00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,800 And he did. I mean, it's good. 1055 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,760 I like Stain, but I would have liked to hear those songs in 1056 00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,040 metal form because when you listen to the when you read the 1057 00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,440 lyrics, you're like, dude, that could be a fucking sick metal 1058 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,720 song. Yeah, you know, that's oh, dude, 1059 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:06,240 there was another one. There's this guy on YouTube. 1060 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,880 And this this actually goes really good into another 1061 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:10,080 question. I want to ask you guys. 1062 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:11,880 This the best way to say it, Dude. 1063 00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:16,480 He looks like like a Musketeer, like a French Musketeer, OK. 1064 00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,320 He's got like long, like curly long hair, always looks wet. 1065 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:25,320 And he's got a beard on. And he'll do like he'll get song 1066 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,240 requests. Oh, that guy's incredible. 1067 00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:32,880 Yeah, and they'll say sing Usher as metal and dude, that's I want 1068 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,960 to hear that song in metal now. Like I just want to see a bunch 1069 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,400 of covers of regular songs. I think his name's Anthony. 1070 00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,080 Yeah, yeah, he does great covers. 1071 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,280 He's incredible. Awesome vocalist. 1072 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,000 That is so cool. So Speaking of that, like who I 1073 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,640 know you guys, you play your own stuff all the time for practice, 1074 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,640 but what's what's a fun candy thing that you guys like to 1075 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,040 practice? What's your favorite song you 1076 00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,200 like to play or sing? As in like a cover? 1077 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,840 Yeah. Oh man, we used to play like, 1078 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,600 just for fun. We'd play System of a Down all 1079 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,720 the time. Yeah, yeah. 1080 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,320 It's cool. I spun System of A down this 1081 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:10,520 morning. Just get in the mood. 1082 00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:11,960 They're they're awesome. They're so good. 1083 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,840 We adore those guys. You're going to have to load 1084 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,760 that bulb right? Right now we are playing around 1085 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,280 with covering A Symptom of Life by Willow Pop song and trying to 1086 00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:23,760 do one of those little pop to metal. 1087 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,640 Yeah, there were some really good pop to metal ones back in 1088 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:29,160 the day though. I. 1089 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,120 Don't know if you've heard that song but it it is so good. 1090 00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,000 I might have. But you ever seen those? 1091 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,760 That's those mashups where they'll take, like, Slipknot and 1092 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,160 Linkin Park, Yeah, and they'll put them together. 1093 00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,800 Yeah, Oh my God. Just taking the same key, BPM 1094 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,400 and everything else. It sounds. 1095 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,720 Incredible. That's what I want to. 1096 00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:52,040 See, I think I saw someone do like staying alive in a 1097 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,680 Disturbed song. I don't remember which. 1098 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,200 One. Oh yeah, the same. 1099 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:57,440 Structure and key and it was so. Funny. 1100 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,840 Oh, that's hilarious. I didn't imagine and that's what 1101 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,560 I love about metal and that's why it never goes away. 1102 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,640 You know, if you think about it like grunge is not listened to 1103 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,440 by kids because it's retro, right? 1104 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,080 Which makes me feel old as. Yeah. 1105 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,720 Oh yeah. I'm like, what are you listening 1106 00:50:15,720 --> 00:50:18,560 to? And I'll guess you ever heard 1107 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,400 Pearl Jam? I've always struggled with 1108 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:25,240 grunge, I never really cared. No, but Pearl Jam is the 1109 00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:28,920 favorite one of mine because it's so obscure and the best 1110 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:34,880 impersonation of the lead singer of of Pearl Jam. 1111 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:36,800 I don't remember his name. Eddie Vedder. 1112 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:37,480 Yeah. Eddie Vedder. 1113 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,080 Eddie Vedder and Adam Sandler used to make fun of it. 1114 00:50:41,720 --> 00:50:50,440 And he go smell that roast beef and it. 1115 00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:52,840 Was just kind of tie every word together, yeah. 1116 00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:55,120 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was just. 1117 00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,600 I never understood it. I actually played it for my kids 1118 00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,080 a couple days. Ago and I was doing that and my 1119 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,240 son Nick was dying he's like, people actually listen to this 1120 00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:06,720 shit and I'm like yeah, yeah, a lot of. 1121 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:09,880 People, it's like Alice In Chains be probably. 1122 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,960 I like, yeah, I still like. That era kind of good. 1123 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,440 Yeah, me. Too like that genre and era? 1124 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:16,960 Yeah. Yeah, they were good. 1125 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,080 They were really good. A lot of other ones, even 1126 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,920 Nirvana like. Nirvana was like the biggest 1127 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:23,840 band in the world in like 93. Isn't. 1128 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,800 It crazy, yeah. I like Smashing Pumpkins more 1129 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,160 than that, and that's nowhere near it. 1130 00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,800 Like when you hear Billy Corgan talk and you're like, why do you 1131 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,640 sound like that? Like that's the other thing too. 1132 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,640 Like, how do you find your voice? 1133 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,160 Because Billy Corgan has a voice like mine, right? 1134 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,040 This mousy nasal voice. Yeah, you're like. 1135 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:45,480 Strange dude. That's like. 1136 00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,000 That's a completely alter ego. So that's a question, man. 1137 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,760 Is it when you're singing? Is that an alter ego for you? 1138 00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,080 Yes and no. OK, so at least when I go on 1139 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,640 stage, like I definitely I'm more of like a introverted to 1140 00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:02,160 myself kind of guy most of the time, right? 1141 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,800 And so getting up and trying to be the front man is always a 1142 00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,720 stretch for me. And so I kind of have to work on 1143 00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:12,240 stepping into those shoes of being like, I'm hot shit. 1144 00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,080 So I totally like don't really think that, but like, that's 1145 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,160 what that's what they want to see, you know what I mean? 1146 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,760 Yeah. It's a good person, we. 1147 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,160 Just like to play. Hey, guys. 1148 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,600 Thanks for coming. We just like to make music and 1149 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,400 have a good time and hopefully dude will enjoy like what we're 1150 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,000 throwing down but. I want to hear like that voice, 1151 00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,960 like hey guys, I I really hope you want to enjoy and enjoy the 1152 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:38,920 show and then you take off the hat. 1153 00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,320 I've gotten that but. We have we played a show and 1154 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:46,120 like I had my that's niece come up to me and she's like, he's 1155 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,280 all he's all up there being all brutal and he's like, hey guys, 1156 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:50,960 thanks for coming. What's up? 1157 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:51,960 What's up? It's like. 1158 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,760 So I'm like, you know, I'm like, get the fuck up and all this 1159 00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:55,720 shit. Like, yeah. 1160 00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:59,320 Like, that isn't really me. I'm, you know, I know that's 1161 00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,240 that gets the crowd hyped. Yeah. 1162 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,480 Well, you're a performer. It's staging, right? 1163 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:05,760 But, and I'm, you know, definitely working on. 1164 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,880 That so it is a it becomes. It's somewhat of learning how to 1165 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,800 do that act. Yeah, it it it does become an. 1166 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,880 Act not, so I could see where that question comes from. 1167 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:18,280 Yeah, well, there's a really good book you should get into. 1168 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,400 I I would listen to it. It's fantastic. 1169 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:23,000 But it talks about ego state. So I'm really big into 1170 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,760 behavioral sciences and things like that. 1171 00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,360 That's as well. That's what I do actually as 1172 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,200 kind of a side thing now. And we're, yeah, I mean, this 1173 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,760 is, this is our gig. This is our gig. 1174 00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:34,080 It's slowly getting to that point. 1175 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:34,720 It's. True. 1176 00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,440 And so on that. No. 1177 00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:37,960 Well, he's looking up that. Yeah, yeah. 1178 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,240 If you haven't yet, go check out our new site. 1179 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,080 It should be out soon. Yeah, it should be out soon. 1180 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,520 Check out cannabis school approved. 1181 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:48,080 We have new cannabis school at dispensaries and where you can 1182 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,160 get your medical card in each state so. 1183 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,520 On top of that, you guys need to go down in the notes. 1184 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,760 You guys need to be listening to these guys right now. 1185 00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,440 Well, not right now. Right now. 1186 00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,600 We'll have their links. But pretty fucking soon. 1187 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,840 Are you? Are you probably YouTube? 1188 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,200 We need them. On any platform, yeah. 1189 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:05,760 OK. Our albums on everything, yeah. 1190 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,160 Awesome. Yeah, sounds good. 1191 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,560 Yeah, Make sure we have links. YouTube, Spotify, Apple, where 1192 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:11,720 are they? Bam Camp. 1193 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:14,680 Apple, I always forget Apple Music has it. 1194 00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,880 I just because ours is always like podcasts. 1195 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,440 So ours is a little different because it goes to Apple 1196 00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,280 Podcasts. It does go to Spotify. 1197 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,840 We're on like 20 different, you know, places it pushes out to. 1198 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,720 Oh, for sure. We, you know, same kind of 1199 00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:29,760 thing. Just have a distributor and they 1200 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,280 put you everywhere. Are you guys, do you have your 1201 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,000 own producer like do you guys produce or your? 1202 00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:41,560 Own Music Our buddy Austin Bentley produces the vocals and 1203 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:44,960 helps us with instrumentation. We we we record and like 1204 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,760 conceptualize everything on our own and. 1205 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,880 Then you guys have a studio? Like our buddy Austin nails the 1206 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,200 vocal recording so we can say, hey Austin, do your thing with 1207 00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,000 you know what we're working on. It usually goes pretty quick so 1208 00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,800 we have everything already pre worked out. 1209 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,640 That's cool, yeah. Same with the final recording of 1210 00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,360 the instruments. Like we did all the tracks 1211 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,200 ourselves and sent them off to Nick. 1212 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,360 Nick Samson So this this was a guy that had mixed albums that 1213 00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,480 we had really loved. And so it was like, we want to 1214 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,360 find someone who's awesome at mixing. 1215 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,560 And so we did our best to produce everything and then we 1216 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,040 just shipped him out to him and he just made it beautiful. 1217 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:25,800 Yeah, it makes a world of difference. 1218 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,240 I mixed sound for a church for a couple of years here and after I 1219 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:33,600 left Mormonism and then I joined like a Christian Church for a 1220 00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,480 bit and they had a band and I would mix their music every week 1221 00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,600 and did that for years. And I was like, all right, I 1222 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:40,440 notice. Holy shit. 1223 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,520 It makes like a world of difference and like what you can 1224 00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:49,400 hear and understand or not or. We've been to many shows where 1225 00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,120 the sound. I am. 1226 00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:57,320 Very discouraging because you go to see a band and the sound is 1227 00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,040 all fucked off so it's like come. 1228 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,600 On that fucked me up. Half the time I want to just go 1229 00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,280 fix it. I'm like, can I just tweak your 1230 00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,080 settings for you man, I just. Want to go and whisper in his 1231 00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:06,200 ear, but I don't want to be that guy. 1232 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:07,480 Yeah, I just want to help everyone. 1233 00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:08,920 Don't. Necessarily know better, but it 1234 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:10,520 don't sound right man. Yeah. 1235 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:15,200 Oh, no, yeah, I saw Lincoln, Lincoln Park when they first 1236 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,920 launched. I was just out of the Navy and 1237 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,280 it was fucking horrible. The sound was bad. 1238 00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,480 Like 2001 or something. Oh yeah, dude, it was bad. 1239 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,840 And we're just like, and, and my buddy's like he got it for my 1240 00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:30,280 birthday. He's like, dude, we got Linkin 1241 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,280 Park tickets. I'm like this one fucking 1242 00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:33,720 awesome, right? Let me go there. 1243 00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,160 Horrible. And I was like. 1244 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,840 Oh, Chester. Sound horrible, like the people 1245 00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,000 who are like just aren't knowledgeable about like how 1246 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,000 sound design works. They usually walk around saying 1247 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:49,960 man, that band sucked. And it's so it like damages the 1248 00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,960 bands reputation, even though like it's usually just the sound 1249 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,200 guy, like kind of just fucking off a little bit and doing the 1250 00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,040 wrong thing. You know, like I'm just gonna 1251 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,040 put these levels here. Sounds OK, I'm gonna go smoke my 1252 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:01,960 cigarette. One of the smartest moves I 1253 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,520 think fans make is getting their own sound engineer, yeah. 1254 00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,600 I think so too, because I noticed that because some of 1255 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,280 them they'll have like headliners and that and I'm 1256 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:13,480 like. Booth in front of the booth 1257 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,400 usually, and that's like they brought their own. 1258 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:17,480 Guy, but I can hear it because I'm like, oh, that one's 1259 00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,960 shittily mixed. Like whoever's in music, Guy is 1260 00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,320 not very good. But then I'm like, well, I'm 1261 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,280 really thankful that the headliner has their own sound 1262 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,080 boards. They've got everything lined up 1263 00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:28,880 and I'm like, OK, they've got their own sound. 1264 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,760 Guy. Like he comes with them. 1265 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,640 He knows what he's doing is not whatever this other guy is 1266 00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,520 because holy shit, first day jitters. 1267 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,680 It's. And he's already got presets 1268 00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,200 ready, you know, So the sound guy will already have like 1269 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,480 presets ready typically, and then he just has to make like 1270 00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,760 mild adjustments based off of the size of the venue and all 1271 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,440 kinds of different factors. But mostly everything else, like 1272 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,600 you bring the same mics, you bring all your same stuff. 1273 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:58,200 So everything else like you should have familiarity and that 1274 00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,040 was? Consistent. 1275 00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,400 These are our standard. Levels and that's like part of 1276 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,320 having our own inner rig is like we bring our own mixing stage 1277 00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,480 that we bring a studio and. With. 1278 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,280 You guys, we split everything you know from the house gets 1279 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,320 control of whatever the the people here and we have control 1280 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:15,960 of what we hear and. Do inside of our. 1281 00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,120 We have no idea what it sounds like out there. 1282 00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:19,440 Yeah. Yeah. 1283 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:24,760 It's it's pretty weird, yeah. Because what people hear is not 1284 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,920 what we hear. No, the in years this whole 1285 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:28,560 whole different world. Yeah, it's. 1286 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,480 The stage in general, yeah. Because usually every person's 1287 00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,480 in years was different and I'm like, so I go through and it's 1288 00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,440 like, all right, drummer, what's your in years that suggests 1289 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:38,520 yours? Let's get yours at where you 1290 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:39,520 want. All right, this one. 1291 00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:40,720 All right, let's do your in years. 1292 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,600 Let's do yours, And then it's like, all right, now I'm going 1293 00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,040 to go through and do mine. I'm going to do the levels like 1294 00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:46,840 it just. Everybody's got different levels 1295 00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:48,560 and they're monitoring different things. 1296 00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,440 Way too many need to. Hear a bunch of certain things. 1297 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:53,960 I don't need to hear a bunch of certain things. 1298 00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,520 Yeah, and do you guys play with a metronome in your ear too? 1299 00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:59,320 Yeah, so we got crack, crack, crack smacking in our ear the 1300 00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,040 whole time as well, but. Thankfully I don't have to have 1301 00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,040 that when I did the other guys. We didn't used to do that for 1302 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,360 years and years. We just free balled it. 1303 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,720 But this was kind of the way to step it up and have, you know, 1304 00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,640 backing tracks to accompany our performance and to like just 1305 00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,840 have a really consistent performance every time. 1306 00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,560 That's crazy because the beats per minute can fluctuate like, 1307 00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,760 yeah, you know, and it's, it sounds really consistent, but 1308 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:26,560 you know, in your head you're like, Oh yeah, it's totally on. 1309 00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:30,160 But with the metronome, you're like, oh fuck, I'm like barely 1310 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:31,880 off there. You know when that. 1311 00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,920 Consistency keeps us on track. Like even if like there's like a 1312 00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,720 little hiccup from someone else, like you know that you know 1313 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,280 they're going to move past, but like it keeps you still. 1314 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,320 That beat is there sinked in. That's cool. 1315 00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:49,080 I bet that makes I used to play piano growing up and grandma was 1316 00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,640 the one who taught me for years and it was always like a 1317 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,760 metronome. She was like, Nope, this song is 1318 00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,400 this many beats per minute. Put it here, practice to this 1319 00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,120 and it was like always. It's the metronome. 1320 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,000 Probably the most valuable thing. 1321 01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:02,200 It's fantastic. Yeah. 1322 01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,480 I learned, Yeah, I learned amazing timing with that because 1323 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,560 I was like, all right, everything was played with a 1324 01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,480 metronome for the longest time. Oh, yeah. 1325 01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,080 So. It's, it's important, yeah. 1326 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,440 That's why I never learned. I mean, I started learning 1327 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:19,400 guitar off tabs cuz I'm gonna hang out with this guy when I 1328 01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,800 was working at the state hospital and I had nothing to 1329 01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:23,720 do. So we started learning how to do 1330 01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:25,560 songs over there. But I don't know. 1331 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,240 I mean, I don't know why they didn't appreciate it. 1332 01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,960 We were just playing like Tenacious D songs and just 1333 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:31,520 screwing. Around. 1334 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,760 Those are good stuff, yeah. Yeah, we used to play those all 1335 01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,080 the time. Yeah, that was a long time. 1336 01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:39,200 Well, I learned from tabs too I think last time as well. 1337 01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:40,720 Tabs, yeah. I should've I. 1338 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,840 That's how I did. You know the crazy thing, like I 1339 01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,280 had this nice little acoustic guitar that I had for years and 1340 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:50,840 then had a falling out with a friend that that got me into it 1341 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:55,240 and I never picked that tire up again because it has a it, it 1342 01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,920 has a vibe with it and I'm just. Like you just need a new guitar. 1343 01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:02,080 Yeah, that's totally what it is. And but I was just like, Yep. 1344 01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:05,080 Nope bro, just come over. I have two guitars. 1345 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:05,880 Oh, I know, I know. But. 1346 01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,160 High and we'll just fuck around. But no, that's. 1347 01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:09,640 Literally what we do. Yeah, See. 1348 01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,360 That sounds like a great we're. Asking about the process, that's 1349 01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,440 a lot of what it is, yeah. That's cool. 1350 01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:15,320 Was that your? Process. 1351 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:17,960 When you guys started, did you smoke at the like at the 1352 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,200 beginning? Yeah, OK. 1353 01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,320 Yeah, we don't necessarily always smoke when we write, but 1354 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,720 we often do, and it absolutely influences what we do. 1355 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,200 Sometimes, like when when we're ever like just stuck on a 1356 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,560 concept and we're like, you know what? 1357 01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,960 It's just time to let go and like, go smoke, smoke, relax, 1358 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:40,960 hang out. OK, let's think about this from 1359 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,600 the new perspective. And oh, dude, yes, this, this is 1360 01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,600 the one where all this let us fuck, Yeah. 1361 01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,840 Right, 'cause it's gonna. Has there been? 1362 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:51,840 Your. Perspective and. 1363 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,080 Alter your ideas. That you like, thought was 1364 01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,800 really fucking amazing when you were high, and then afterwards 1365 01:01:57,800 --> 01:01:59,640 you were like, oh wait, that's what it was. 1366 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,720 It goes it's detrimental sometimes as well. 1367 01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,080 You'll be like this is awesome. And then later you'll review it 1368 01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,560 and be kind of like. But luckily with Daws now you 1369 01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:12,160 can like save all those ideas, you know what I mean? 1370 01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:17,800 So you don't want like write writing songs beforehand is or 1371 01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,280 like before we had all this is kind of like I'm going to write 1372 01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,800 this song and now we got to actually remember this. 1373 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:23,600 That's true. Yeah, we did. 1374 01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,280 We did everything like just with between US and a guitar, us and 1375 01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:28,200 a practice. And So what? 1376 01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,240 Back in the day, DAWS is that a software that's a? 1377 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:34,520 Digital audio workstation like Pro Tools or Logic or Cubase. 1378 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:37,280 OK, that's cool. That's just what people refer to 1379 01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,240 them as Daws. OK. 1380 01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,440 Yeah, and that's where we record and edit all the tracks. 1381 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:47,320 Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah, it's also what we use for 1382 01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,040 our backtracks when we perform, Yeah. 1383 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,480 Yeah. For all the atmosphere and 1384 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,640 stuff, like, you know, all the guitar tones and stuff, like in 1385 01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,320 the screaming, like that's all very raw still, right? 1386 01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,320 But like the atmosphere and stuff we're doing. 1387 01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,760 Yeah, we have some like keyboard and synthesizer instrumentation 1388 01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:06,560 and. We, you know, we wanted to have 1389 01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,240 there but not over prominent like. 1390 01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,760 Yeah, like so do you 2 do the synthesizer and all that as well 1391 01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:16,120 and just pre record it or is it the other two or combination of 1392 01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:18,600 everyone? Yeah, all, all the atmosphere 1393 01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:23,080 is, is US and and our buddy Austin, who does the vocal 1394 01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:25,800 recordings for us. So how many instruments he? 1395 01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,120 Has he has a great ear for that kind of stuff. 1396 01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,720 So like we, we do like the groundwork and then as we're 1397 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,560 doing vocals, we'll be like. He's he's an actual keyboardist, 1398 01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:34,720 he can jam. Oh nice. 1399 01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:36,400 We're not really keyboard players. 1400 01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:38,160 What guitar? Guys. 1401 01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:40,360 OK. Do you guys play any any other 1402 01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:41,760 instruments? Drums. 1403 01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:44,000 Drums, yeah, OK yeah, I started that. 1404 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,200 Drums, guitar. Drums. 1405 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,040 Guitar yeah we we play Muslim and. 1406 01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,480 Oboe I love. Yeah, lots of stringed 1407 01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,440 instruments like harp. I can never afford one, but I 1408 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:53,680 love a harp. Interesting. 1409 01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:54,600 Got it. Have you seen that? 1410 01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,320 Chick who does it? Yeah, does the metal songs on 1411 01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:58,160 it. It's so good. 1412 01:03:58,280 --> 01:03:59,680 Yeah, that's. Nuts. 1413 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,520 I've got some bongos. I play the dig, yeah. 1414 01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,160 Nice. Hand pans? 1415 01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,440 What is it? The really big one that that we. 1416 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:10,880 Got oh, the jembe. Yeah, yeah. 1417 01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:16,280 We've Jembe. It's just a giant drop on a. 1418 01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:20,360 Base and you can articulate. It's basically like a base in a 1419 01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,520 snare tribal. So we have like our metal 1420 01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:26,680 projects, but then we we have our buddy Hatchet that's his. 1421 01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,160 Actual name, Is he from Utah? Yeah, OK. 1422 01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:32,640 It's his last name. OK. 1423 01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:37,720 But our buddy Hatchet and us, we'll, we'll all kind of get to 1424 01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,120 together and maybe a couple other friends and have all these 1425 01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:43,600 weird world instruments and just kind of jam. 1426 01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,920 Just playoff each other. Yeah, and do the little drum 1427 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,200 circle thing. It's always so, so much fun. 1428 01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:48,840 Oh. That's fun. 1429 01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,800 Do you guys ever go to the Liberty Park drum circles and. 1430 01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,080 Never go to like a public one, no. 1431 01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:58,160 No, they have them on Sundays sometimes up there and a lot of 1432 01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:01,320 people go smoke weed in the park and stuff and sick. 1433 01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,000 Yeah, it's it's interesting time. 1434 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,400 I need to try. It sit on a hypodermic needle. 1435 01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:09,400 I don't know. No, that's not liberty. 1436 01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:11,080 That's the. Pint. 1437 01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:12,760 Oh, that's Pioneer, Yeah. Yeah, whatever that. 1438 01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,920 Yeah. That other big one is yeah. 1439 01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:18,560 So I remember walking through Central Park in in New York and 1440 01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:23,400 just like running into this gigantic drum circle, like 30 1441 01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:24,560 people. It was incredible. 1442 01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,720 It was like, what the hell? Yeah, they have massive ones up 1443 01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:29,400 there, people. Brought all kinds of weird 1444 01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,800 percussion implements. It's nuts. 1445 01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:35,600 Yeah, there's another one too. I was going to ask you guys 1446 01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,520 about it. It's a jazz band that does tool 1447 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,800 covers. You ever heard of that one? 1448 01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,040 I'm not what? Yeah, sounds interesting. 1449 01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,080 Brass. It's something brass, but 1450 01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:53,000 there's a woman singing. She does a lot of like she's the 1451 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,080 best one. She'll do covers of Tool songs. 1452 01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,680 And it's crazy because there's there are some guitars, but it's 1453 01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:04,160 mostly horns that you'll hear. Interesting. 1454 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:08,640 It's kind of like Apocalyptica. Yeah, you're those guys like 1455 01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,440 with. The cellos, yeah, like. 1456 01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,600 The very symphonic way of doing it like. 1457 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,160 Yeah, and it's so nuts. Like there was another one, I 1458 01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,160 think it was the vitamin string quartet would also do a lot of 1459 01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,840 metal covers but it was just the four crazy 4 stringed 1460 01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:23,840 instruments. Trans-siberian Orchestra. 1461 01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,760 Like yeah, yeah. So what's your favorite non 1462 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:32,240 metals band? That's a hard question to 1463 01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,240 answer. For me, you asked me any 1464 01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:37,320 favorite, I'm going to struggle. Yeah. 1465 01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:38,560 What? What's your favorite that you 1466 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,320 can pull from right now? Like what if you could listen? 1467 01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,640 To like, for instance, like this year, probably my favorite 1468 01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,600 record that came out was Willow's new record. 1469 01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:48,760 It's. Incredible. 1470 01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,280 It's it is so good. It's very good. 1471 01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,720 That's when you say record. You mean like vinyl? 1472 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,120 I just sometimes prefer to an album just under I guess. 1473 01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:02,000 If you get records in, I'm sure. But I do have some records, yes. 1474 01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,800 I was just curious. I have a small collection of, 1475 01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:06,760 you know, Yeah, so. I do as well. 1476 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,000 My roommate has a ton. He's got like, everything. 1477 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:10,600 That's fantastic. What? 1478 01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:12,760 What's in your playlist? If we went to your Spotify, 1479 01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,760 where, where, What would we see on there? 1480 01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,960 Oh man, I'm always discovering new stuff but I'm always 1481 01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,960 listening to the same. Stuff too, I usually jam by 1482 01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:24,600 genre and I have again, favorite artists we'll be. 1483 01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,360 Here exactly. Yeah, No, me too. 1484 01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:32,080 I usually bounce between like lofi metal, EDM and rap. 1485 01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,200 Those are kind of my four cool love jazz. 1486 01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,520 I just I have to be in the mood for that one. 1487 01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,560 Same with country like not my thing really. 1488 01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,160 Old. Country old. 1489 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:43,280 Country. Yeah, like old. 1490 01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,240 That's not this new stadium. Country thing. 1491 01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,640 But I don't know if you've heard of Bill Murray, not the actor. 1492 01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,240 There's there's a band, a band called Bill Murray. 1493 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,680 Nice. And they are kind of doing this 1494 01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,440 country metal fuse fusion. Interesting. 1495 01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,800 That's just it is great. It's working out great. 1496 01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,600 That's cool. So like I'm not totally opposed 1497 01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,200 to country, just you probably won't see much of that. 1498 01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:10,400 Primarily listen to metal, but I, I, I like rock a lot. 1499 01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:15,480 Like, probably like old rock, like, like Rush, like old Prague 1500 01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,040 stuff. That's cool, yeah. 1501 01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:19,840 Dream Theater. Big fan of Fleetwood Mac. 1502 01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,960 I love Fleetwood Mac Lindsay Buckingham on the guitar is 1503 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:28,840 insane if you've ever seen him play dude like it's it's magic. 1504 01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,399 Let me ask you this really quick. 1505 01:08:30,399 --> 01:08:32,200 What do you guys define metal as? 1506 01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:36,880 Yeah. For me, metal's a feeling I get 1507 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,560 from that. So I mean, Disturbed is not 1508 01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,319 metal for me. Disturbed is emo rock to me. 1509 01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:45,600 That's where Metallica falls too. 1510 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:50,760 Old Metallica black and back all the way to like, you know, kill 1511 01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,439 them all. Yep, that's metal. 1512 01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,640 Quintessential metal. Yeah, yeah, that is metal. 1513 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,600 That is the. I mean, you know, you want to 1514 01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,720 put that up there with the greats, you know, like Dio and 1515 01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,040 fucking Ozzy and shit like. Black and and back. 1516 01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:06,800 Is yeah, what I've always loved. Exactly right, but the newer 1517 01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,439 stuff it just kind of goes poppy. 1518 01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:12,640 But way I like what I what I consider metal is those man's 1519 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,680 who who stay true to what they started with and why the fans 1520 01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,000 love them. You know Lamb of God is always 1521 01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:20,080 but. That's a that's a very 1522 01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,080 interesting like argument that we see. 1523 01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,520 It's very polarizing in the yeah, in the industry. 1524 01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:27,240 People are always whining and bitching about the band and not 1525 01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,200 staying the same and like as an artist. 1526 01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:31,880 You'll go so stifling like as an. 1527 01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,040 Artist, you're trying to capture this. 1528 01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,160 Is that part of your life, right? 1529 01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:39,680 And all these people that have loved you for years and years, 1530 01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:42,600 they want to capture the feeling that they had when they first 1531 01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:43,000 hurt. You. 1532 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,359 Yeah, yeah. And that doesn't play out like 1533 01:09:46,359 --> 01:09:48,200 that. So they hold on to that feeling 1534 01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:52,040 as you continue to grow and change and put out new material. 1535 01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:56,600 And they're like holding on to this like old nostalgic vibe. 1536 01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,800 You know, that's kind of what it comes down to. 1537 01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:01,080 And I, I've been in that camp when I was younger. 1538 01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:04,520 I understand that bitching about them changing, but I've grown 1539 01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,480 past like seeing like these are individuals, man. 1540 01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:10,040 They got lives and they're growing and they're, they're 1541 01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:11,560 learning and changing all the time. 1542 01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:15,320 So when they're writing, writing new music, they're that's like a 1543 01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:18,480 snapshot of someone's soul. It's really weird. 1544 01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,600 That's how it is crazy. Art is strange in that way. 1545 01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:22,960 Like, yeah. Well, because both. 1546 01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:24,600 Sides have values in it. Art. 1547 01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:27,960 You know, yeah. That's the hard thing, because 1548 01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:29,520 there is the dilemma with the artist. 1549 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,000 Right. Yeah, well, in the. 1550 01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:35,720 So there's like this weird dilemma, I guess you could say, 1551 01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:40,200 or I don't know what the right word is, But like in the music 1552 01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:44,160 genre that is metal, there is there's kind of this Gray line 1553 01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,200 of like, not sure if it is metal. 1554 01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,360 Yeah, like some people, it's like if there's screaming in it, 1555 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,720 metal. But I think there's a lot of 1556 01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:52,560 that. It's emo. 1557 01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:56,080 I think a lot of it's punker emo though, like they introduced 1558 01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:01,520 just a small bit of. Clean singing, like driven songs 1559 01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:05,600 that are still very, very metal. Oh, you know what I mean? 1560 01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,840 Yeah. But it's, I don't think metal is 1561 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:11,000 necessarily like the I think it's just the whole style of it. 1562 01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,880 No, there's more. There's emo, there's there's 1563 01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:15,600 like a rock. Is a great dancer. 1564 01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,760 Yeah, metal. Yeah, I think it is. 1565 01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:22,320 Because but, but also to me along to add to the, the feeling 1566 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:27,040 idea is like, just like those bands that started at all, you 1567 01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,680 know, like Black Sabbath and Judas Priest, Iron Maiden and 1568 01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:34,000 these bands, but even like Led Zeppelin and Beatles inspired 1569 01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:35,920 metal musicians along the way and all that stuff. 1570 01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,760 That's what metal has always been to me in Metallica is like 1571 01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:40,160 that, you know, in the early days. 1572 01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:44,000 These are the guys who kind of created this style and this way 1573 01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:49,360 of expressing and everyone since then is just built upon it. 1574 01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:54,800 There's this massive family tree of subgenres, you know, and I'm 1575 01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,320 familiar with most of them. Like I listen to tons of metal 1576 01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:02,080 in all kinds of different areas. I really like melodic death 1577 01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:03,040 metal. I really like. 1578 01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:06,400 Right, like orbit culture, because orbit culture is like 1579 01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:08,200 this. It's crazy because they're. 1580 01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:10,280 They're like really industrial melodic death. 1581 01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:13,240 Yes, yeah. Yes, but it's crazy. 1582 01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:16,120 Metallica singing. Yeah, occasionally so. 1583 01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:17,080 Metallica. Singing. 1584 01:12:17,080 --> 01:12:19,160 Yeah, you'll hear it. And that's exactly what I 1585 01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:20,720 thought. I'm like, that sounds like James 1586 01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:22,360 Heffield in fucking 90s, you guys. 1587 01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:24,320 Are sick. Yeah, they're really cool. 1588 01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,040 And that's that's what I like to see the progression over there. 1589 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,240 I don't like seeing bands all come out like My Chemical 1590 01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:31,760 Romance. Not I like them. 1591 01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,480 There's a lot of metal songs for my. 1592 01:12:33,480 --> 01:12:36,160 Chemical Romance came out. They're emo though, that's not 1593 01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,560 metal. No, but they have metal songs. 1594 01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,880 No, not really. See that that's, that's kind of 1595 01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,280 that Gray area. No, that's what I'm saying. 1596 01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,200 Like I don't really I. Just felt like. 1597 01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,600 Totally say that's my chemical. I don't know if I would 1598 01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:50,320 personally say it's. They just were that emo phase of 1599 01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:55,480 time that it was like real emo music that came out and and that 1600 01:12:55,480 --> 01:12:57,440 just felt like my Cam was really so. 1601 01:12:57,440 --> 01:12:59,840 For me, that's what I call screamo if it's. 1602 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:00,720 OK. Yeah, that's. 1603 01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:02,960 Actual screamo. That's kind of a funny thing 1604 01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,520 that most people do, but. Screamo I feel like is different 1605 01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:07,120 than metal. But a lot of people just say 1606 01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,720 screamo is like a blanket term. It's not the same as. 1607 01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:11,160 Scott Yellow and. Screaming in it. 1608 01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:14,200 It's Screamo. Metal's like the top of the 1609 01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:15,120 pyramid. It's like. 1610 01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:16,400 Emo. Subgenres. 1611 01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,600 And I feel like the screamo is the kid version of it. 1612 01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:22,040 It's like like, all right, but then metal's like, it's a whole 1613 01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:25,560 different feel to it. Oh yeah, I've seen Scott Pilgrim 1614 01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:27,200 versus the world. Oh yeah, OK. 1615 01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:31,480 So I saw this awesome meme little GIF, right? 1616 01:13:32,920 --> 01:13:37,920 And it was, what's her name, Ramona Flowers. 1617 01:13:38,440 --> 01:13:41,240 And she was, she was like listening off all the different 1618 01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:44,320 kinds of tea that she has. And you know, Scott's just 1619 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,440 sitting there like none of there's not that many. 1620 01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:49,440 But she was listening off all these different like subgenres 1621 01:13:49,440 --> 01:13:51,320 of metal. What kind of metal do I listen 1622 01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:52,280 to? Well, what do you have? 1623 01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:56,000 I got it dozens of he's like, I don't know. 1624 01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:00,120 I don't know. Deathcore post hardcore like. 1625 01:14:00,440 --> 01:14:02,520 That's. Hilarious death metal metal 1626 01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,800 core, progressive metal core gent. 1627 01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:07,080 Like there's tons and tons of difference, right? 1628 01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,840 Because they're defined in their own way, right? 1629 01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:13,720 Yeah, you know, and you go to the to some of the earlier ones 1630 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,760 because Lamagot can definitely be considered one of the earlier 1631 01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,200 more. Successful Lamagot is considered 1632 01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,240 groove metal. Yeah, thrash metal. 1633 01:14:21,440 --> 01:14:24,440 Thrash metal, yeah, that's, that's that's where my jam was. 1634 01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:26,160 I love thrash metal. Yeah, me too. 1635 01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:29,360 But it it just like you said, that there's, there's different 1636 01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,800 things, there's different metal songs from people you wouldn't 1637 01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,840 necessarily consider metal because it's the feeling that 1638 01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:36,120 you get. You're just going. 1639 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,920 Yeah, there's a certain attitude to it as well. 1640 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,080 Totally. There's some really old good 1641 01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:42,960 metals. Not like like Randy from Lamb of 1642 01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,640 God is punk rock as fuck that guy dude. 1643 01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:48,720 I know. Dude, you. 1644 01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:53,800 Watch this documentary where Lee guitarist came up with that riff 1645 01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:58,720 for descending and while he was playing it, the basses is like 1646 01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,240 that's not metal, don't fucking play that. 1647 01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:02,880 And he's like, no, I got something here. 1648 01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:08,000 And Randy takes it and writes the lyrics and bass still 1649 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,520 fucking pissed. Their old drummer was really 1650 01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,520 fucking pissed and laughed so when he left the band. 1651 01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,640 But the coolest way to be able to see that. 1652 01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,120 And that's why you guys like when you know your crafting, 1653 01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:22,800 you're playing really into the mode where you're feeling it, 1654 01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:26,520 right? That's where I was like one of 1655 01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,640 the band, like when I always bring up the Lamb of God because 1656 01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:32,440 during the pandemic when they played from their houses on a 1657 01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:35,840 Zoom, it was epic. Like, I watched the. 1658 01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:39,080 I watched some of that, yeah. And that's like raw Randy 1659 01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:40,480 Blythe. And that's super. 1660 01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:42,840 That's cool because it's exactly what you said. 1661 01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,600 Like when you're hearing somebody singing metal, there's 1662 01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:49,920 a lot of craft that has gone into making that voice and then 1663 01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,120 being able to go back to a normal voice and totally being 1664 01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,920 fine. A lot of people I've heard say 1665 01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:59,400 it's like the same vocal techniques as you would see in 1666 01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:01,800 like an opera singer. I don't know if you guys have 1667 01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:06,320 watched this video from the charismatic voice on the little 1668 01:16:06,360 --> 01:16:08,600 YouTube channel. This chick Elizabeth from Utah 1669 01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,840 awesome channel. She's finally taking this dive 1670 01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:15,440 from music suggestions into metal and it's just gone 1671 01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:18,720 downhill momentum, but uphill, right? 1672 01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:22,520 Like she's just like, Oh my gosh, I'm understanding the 1673 01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:25,440 craziness behind this. And one of the things that she 1674 01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:28,240 did, she got the vocalist for Lorna Shore. 1675 01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:29,960 I don't know if you guys have like that. 1676 01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,040 That is some heavy ass shit, okay? 1677 01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,400 Really heavy death metal stuff. Insane. 1678 01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,640 That's cool. Okay, so she she got Will Ramos 1679 01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:40,840 to come on and stick a camera down his throat. 1680 01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,520 Do all these crazy goblin techniques and. 1681 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,440 Like do all your vocal techniques and he's like, OK, 1682 01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:47,840 I'm a little numb but here you go. 1683 01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:51,360 And you can see his throat contort and shape to make all 1684 01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,240 these weird sounds. That's so crazy. 1685 01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:54,640 It was really cool. Yeah, it's nice. 1686 01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,280 Because that's what you. Feel like. 1687 01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,520 Looking at the science of screaming in that way, it was 1688 01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:00,560 really, really neat. Well, and we're finally like 1689 01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,960 starting to define these things that have been going on. 1690 01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,240 What was that band again? Lorna Shore. 1691 01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,520 Yeah. How do you spell that? 1692 01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:11,760 LORMA. SHORE got it. 1693 01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,520 All right, so if our audience were to go check out one of your 1694 01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,240 songs, what would you guys recommend? 1695 01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,400 Well, that's hard. That it is. 1696 01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,640 It's like 1/2 hour long. Just go check it out. 1697 01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:26,480 Yeah, songs dynamic in its own way. 1698 01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,880 You don't have a favorite. I do favorite. 1699 01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,600 I have hell divers my yeah, yeah, that's cool. 1700 01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:34,720 That's one of my favorites. I really like that. 1701 01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:36,800 I love that. And then Spectrum. 1702 01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:41,160 Yeah, Spectrum was was aimed as we were writing it to be the 1703 01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:44,800 most accessible. So like for for someone who 1704 01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:46,120 listens to a lot. Of pop or. 1705 01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:50,440 Rap, it has that overall structure of just like intro. 1706 01:17:50,440 --> 01:17:53,680 Yeah, because we kind of like chorus, more progressive 1707 01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,560 structures and songs that Neander around. 1708 01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:00,040 But there's also, you know, those standard structures that 1709 01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:01,840 are easier for people to latch on to do. 1710 01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:06,480 You guys have it I guess. Is every song a different 1711 01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:07,600 structure? Yes. 1712 01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:08,720 Yeah, yeah. OK. 1713 01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:10,080 Certainly. Very much so. 1714 01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,720 You can tell that there's a progression through each song 1715 01:18:13,080 --> 01:18:15,680 which. Don't like to be formulated? 1716 01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:19,600 Well, I mean like Hatebreed. Hatebreed is Hatebreed. 1717 01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:22,040 Yeah, I mean, you listen to Hatebreed somewhat formulaic as 1718 01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:23,400 well. Yeah, exactly. 1719 01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:27,440 There's still really incredible. In in their own way, right? 1720 01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:30,120 Exactly. But it's because that's the way 1721 01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,280 that their art moves. This is the way you're art. 1722 01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:34,600 Moves, well, yeah. So what we tried to do is try to 1723 01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:39,640 at least tickle the appeal of as many of those quote sub genres 1724 01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:41,920 that that have inspired us throughout the years. 1725 01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,000 Yeah, and you could. Definitely, you know, like, oh, 1726 01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,880 you're into the really proggy technical shredding song. 1727 01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:50,640 OK, you're probably going to like Disintegration or maybe 1728 01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:57,360 Wave Maker if if you if you're into the clean singing and still 1729 01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:01,160 having a really driven, steady chorus kind of thing. 1730 01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:05,960 Spectrum if you want something with a clean atmospheric 1731 01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:09,120 breakdown in the middle. Kitsugi. 1732 01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:15,160 And we tried to have all these songs lyrically and as well as 1733 01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:19,040 even need the down to the BPM kind of do this kind of a yeah 1734 01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,480 bell curve. This climax throughout the album 1735 01:19:21,480 --> 01:19:23,400 and it Yeah. Does the album have a theme? 1736 01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,600 Yes. Yeah, personal growth and like. 1737 01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:32,160 Confronting so so the EP is called paradox within paradigms. 1738 01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:37,160 OK. And for us, that is just the 1739 01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:40,800 acknowledgement of confronting your the contradictions in your 1740 01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:41,960 own belief. Yeah. 1741 01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,400 Like, and what is that actually Intel? 1742 01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:49,840 So the whole album is aimed to take you on this journey of of 1743 01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:51,320 like. Perspective. 1744 01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,320 Someone gaining a new perspective, gaining this 1745 01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,960 epiphany. And for us it kind of goes like 1746 01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:01,960 we kind of like simple to at least took the whole concept and 1747 01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,480 narrowed it down. So first it's like 1748 01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:08,200 disintegration is like, man, the world sucks. 1749 01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:11,760 You know, it's, it's a, there's a lot of rough stuff going on. 1750 01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,320 Shit's wrong all over the place. Yeah, we're just like 1751 01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:18,080 acknowledging some of those problems in that song. 1752 01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:23,560 And and we, we take it to megalomania where it's like, you 1753 01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:27,440 know what, the world sucks, but it's you. 1754 01:20:28,440 --> 01:20:34,280 It's you, man, People like you. That are making it more awful 1755 01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:37,040 and then yeah when it moves to hell diver. 1756 01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:38,680 That's more of an introspective thing. 1757 01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:42,120 It's more about the inner self, like. 1758 01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:46,720 Realizing that maybe I'm part of the problem like I maybe I'm not 1759 01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,440 up here like I thought I was. Probably why I'm into that song. 1760 01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,560 Like, I'm not, I'm not really up here like I thought I was. 1761 01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:54,960 And now I'm starting to see things from like. 1762 01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,960 A new perspective. From this new perspective and 1763 01:20:58,440 --> 01:21:02,400 and some like the crushing weight of what can happen on the 1764 01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:06,120 extreme end of that change. The way you guys describe that 1765 01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:11,360 actually is perfect for way that I think of metal because it is 1766 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,880 it, it is this crazy experience of what I'm trying to go through 1767 01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:20,400 and what I'm feeling right now. And what's cool is to be able to 1768 01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:23,520 read the lyrics and go along with it. 1769 01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:27,680 You start getting closer to it and then you hear the artist 1770 01:21:27,680 --> 01:21:30,120 actually explain where it came from. 1771 01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:31,000 Yeah, yeah. Right. 1772 01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:35,280 Like when you hear like. I love that process too, right? 1773 01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:38,120 Getting that feeling and then actually seeing where they were 1774 01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:41,480 coming from too, because there's a lot of ways to perceive a song 1775 01:21:41,480 --> 01:21:44,000 it can be. It's always interesting to hear, 1776 01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,120 like, a different perspective than what the unified idea of 1777 01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:48,520 like, yeah, this is what that means. 1778 01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,400 You know, sometimes, but what someone else in there gets out 1779 01:21:51,400 --> 01:21:53,160 of it isn't what we intended. Yeah. 1780 01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:55,440 Yeah, that's the crazy. Part they have their own 1781 01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:58,640 interpretation of your message. Yeah, yeah, like descending 1782 01:21:58,640 --> 01:21:59,080 through. Me. 1783 01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:01,200 Oh. Yeah, well, it's like every art, 1784 01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:06,160 you know, every artist has their whether it's painting or music 1785 01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:10,320 or whatever or a dish, you know, there's always some sort of form 1786 01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,880 of art into that and there's always the artist 1787 01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:17,440 interpretation, meaning and the like taken interpretation of the 1788 01:22:17,440 --> 01:22:19,480 audience, whoever's viewing it, right. 1789 01:22:19,720 --> 01:22:23,720 So yeah, hell, Helldiver is the third one. 1790 01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:27,800 So after Helldiver, after you go through this ego, ego death, you 1791 01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:28,880 could say. Kind of, yeah. 1792 01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:33,080 Then just there's a whole new perspective with that new 1793 01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:36,920 perspective, learning to forgive yourself and be like, it's OK 1794 01:22:37,480 --> 01:22:40,280 because I don't know if you guys know what Kisugi actually is. 1795 01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:45,200 It's a Japanese art form where let's say you have a, you know, 1796 01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:50,360 cherished pottery. It breaks and they decide to put 1797 01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:54,960 it back together with gold and use that as the adhesive and. 1798 01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:56,680 Gold and precious metals they would glue. 1799 01:22:56,680 --> 01:23:00,680 These and makes it look, even I think, way cooler looking than 1800 01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:01,920 it was. Even better, yeah. 1801 01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,560 They do look, really. And, and it's every time it's 1802 01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:08,880 like unique, right? And so that that song's a lot 1803 01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:11,080 about just putting yourself back together and. 1804 01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:14,240 Being new and and this song that you're better like something 1805 01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:17,840 that after that traumatic move from like you can make that make 1806 01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,920 yourself better from it, right? Yeah, that makes sense. 1807 01:23:21,160 --> 01:23:23,520 Like the cracks now or? Yeah, they're not, they're not 1808 01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:24,960 cracks, man. These these are the. 1809 01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,200 It's an opportunity that you you can like. 1810 01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:28,720 Yeah, these are the newest parts to me. 1811 01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:30,760 You know, yeah, exactly. Makes me who I am. 1812 01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,720 That's fucking cool. This is so awesome, dude, 1813 01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:35,480 because I didn't know any of this shit. 1814 01:23:35,480 --> 01:23:39,120 I just enjoy metal. Yeah, but you know, I mean it, 1815 01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:42,200 it really is like it's it's learning about that and and 1816 01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:47,160 hearing about like knowing that this this album is progression. 1817 01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:49,160 Yeah, right. It's self progression. 1818 01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:52,920 That, that was the, I mean to try to nail this down, this huge 1819 01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:56,240 concept that we could talk about for hours and have talked about 1820 01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:59,160 for hours into 6 songs, half hour. 1821 01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:02,280 It's fucking awesome. The next track was Wave Maker, 1822 01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:05,240 and that's all just about being original primarily. 1823 01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:09,960 Yeah, just making an impact. Yeah, there's a lot of people. 1824 01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,760 Finding your own personal identity right instead. 1825 01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:14,400 Of finding your own voice kind of thing. 1826 01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:15,400 I like it. Yeah. 1827 01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,600 And then the spectrum, the final song, the kind of to top it all 1828 01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:21,960 off, is just. Just the sum up the whole album 1829 01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:24,600 as a whole essentially, which is, you know. 1830 01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:29,480 Contradict your beliefs. Everybody has beliefs that they 1831 01:24:29,480 --> 01:24:32,080 stick too strongly to and everybody has a different 1832 01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,960 perspective and it's important that we are open and share those 1833 01:24:35,960 --> 01:24:39,160 with each other so they can get a little closer to the objective 1834 01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:42,160 truth in my opinion. Like there's so many different 1835 01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:46,680 ways to look at a single thing. Like if I, if we held an object 1836 01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:49,240 in between us, we're all going to describe it differently, 1837 01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:51,560 right? If you were asked to describe 1838 01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:52,760 that. We'll do it like this. 1839 01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,920 So you guys are probably seeing some green and orange. 1840 01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,000 He's going to say it's black. You're going to say it's mostly 1841 01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:00,320 orange, right? I only see just a sliver of 1842 01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:02,400 orange and a lot of grayish, right? 1843 01:25:02,440 --> 01:25:04,400 Greenish. Same thing, but it's different 1844 01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,040 for you and beliefs are a lot like that. 1845 01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:09,840 We have that tunnel vision and you hold on to like, that's, 1846 01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:11,560 that's all it is. It's just an orange stripe. 1847 01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,080 No, there's more. To it I'm seeing 2 little things 1848 01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:15,280 but. If you're stuck and you're 1849 01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:18,760 chained down to that belief, then you can't really even 1850 01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,440 connect with me, or you can't even really understand you. 1851 01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,000 Can't see my perspective the. Truth is somewhere in the middle 1852 01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,160 there. We, we went through this course. 1853 01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,720 It's neuro linguistic programming and they talk about 1854 01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:34,040 like visually the amount of pixels that your eye takes in 1855 01:25:34,440 --> 01:25:37,840 and then the amount of pixels that your brain can process. 1856 01:25:38,360 --> 01:25:42,520 And it's literally like 3% of the pixels that we actually 1857 01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,240 process. So we're see perceiving 3% of 1858 01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,480 the reality in front of us at that moment. 1859 01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:50,880 So whatever our reality is that we're going, this is what 1860 01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:52,960 happened. That's only what happened in the 1861 01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:56,400 3% of the reality that you saw. Someone else could have seen a 1862 01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,440 whole. Difference I don't know how deep 1863 01:25:58,440 --> 01:25:59,680 down the rabbit hole we want to go. 1864 01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,600 So here's, but like there, there's that single point, that 1865 01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:05,920 object, that point of contention or whatever. 1866 01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,960 Like let's just find that point, call it a ball. 1867 01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:13,440 If you were to go around and define every degree as a single 1868 01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:16,640 point and it circles technically infinite, right? 1869 01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:19,840 And add 1 + 1, whatever. But let's just say there's 360. 1870 01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:24,000 In order to get the full perspective, you need to like 1871 01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:29,720 take half of that, the radius, so 180 degrees, 180 different 1872 01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:36,400 points of view, and then rotate that 360° itself, right? 1873 01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:42,200 So 100 and 180 to the power of 360 different perspectives. 1874 01:26:42,440 --> 01:26:46,120 One single thing, the actual truth, that's not even close to 1875 01:26:46,120 --> 01:26:48,360 what it is, right? Because circles are. 1876 01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,000 But like, if we find something we can all agree on, that's 1877 01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:53,360 probably pretty damn close to the truth. 1878 01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:57,120 Yeah, just got to discuss it. And it's like, what's your 1879 01:26:57,520 --> 01:26:59,120 perception here? What are you seeing over there? 1880 01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,120 You know your lamp is a lamp. You know we know. 1881 01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:02,640 That the bomb I love. I love lamp. 1882 01:27:03,080 --> 01:27:05,720 I love land. Like, where'd you get that hand 1883 01:27:05,720 --> 01:27:09,120 grenade? Yeah. 1884 01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:14,680 Like and and like beliefs for people are they hold so tightly 1885 01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:18,160 to them and it just kind of obscures the big picture. 1886 01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:22,880 Yeah. And I think that religion and 1887 01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,560 all kinds of different things are laughable when you argue 1888 01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:27,080 about which ones which and whatever. 1889 01:27:27,080 --> 01:27:30,160 People are all trying to get to the same place on different 1890 01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:31,600 roads. We're all. 1891 01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,160 So it's. Like and. 1892 01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:36,440 It's we're. All just calling the same thing 1893 01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:39,000 by different terms. Yeah, yeah, it's so. 1894 01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,600 The song March to the Sea or March to the Sea by 21 Pilots. 1895 01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:45,440 It's like everyone's all marching to the same place. 1896 01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:48,040 They're all in a line and they're like, hey, you're going 1897 01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:50,000 the wrong way because you stepped out of line, but you're 1898 01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,320 all marching to the sea. You're all still going the same. 1899 01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:55,160 You're all, but it's like, Oh well, you're doing it wrong 1900 01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:57,600 because you listen to this other voice or this other thing, but 1901 01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,280 you're still all going the same place. 1902 01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:03,360 You're like, it's the same concept of like everyone's got 1903 01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:06,920 their own path, but we're all heading the same direction, but 1904 01:28:06,920 --> 01:28:10,240 we're all fighting that we're heading the same direction and 1905 01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:13,000 like your path's wrong. No, and you primary. 1906 01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,520 We primarily all want the same things out of life. 1907 01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:18,640 We want to be loved. We want a sense of. 1908 01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:22,280 Purpose, yes. You know, and we want to feel 1909 01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:24,320 joy. That's pretty much it, right? 1910 01:28:24,520 --> 01:28:25,960 That's pretty much what everybody wants. 1911 01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:28,760 Yeah. And so it's like on a basic 1912 01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:30,840 stability, if you can see that in the other. 1913 01:28:31,480 --> 01:28:34,080 Way. Well, there's the necessity, of 1914 01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:37,080 course, but like. It's funny because when those 1915 01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:42,240 who are wanting to have absolute truth, who want to be right, are 1916 01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:45,760 usually the ones who are the most miserable, but those of us 1917 01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,560 who take, well, what else can I learn? 1918 01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:53,560 You know, I mean, I, I, I'm very much a Christian, but I'm a 1919 01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:58,520 Christian in the sense of my beliefs in, you know, whatever 1920 01:28:58,520 --> 01:28:59,800 deity, whatever, all that other stuff. 1921 01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:03,000 That's just something that I believe, but I don't believe 1922 01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:06,360 that defines me. It's just something about that I 1923 01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:08,920 find that's awesome that resonates for you. 1924 01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:12,560 Ben and Jerry's sounds better than Halo ice cream. 1925 01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:15,480 It just, it appeals to me. That's my taste, that's my 1926 01:29:15,480 --> 01:29:17,680 flavor. And some other people have 1927 01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:21,520 unfortunately have had this flavour shoved in their fucking 1928 01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:22,640 mouth. Yeah, that's. 1929 01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,840 That's us. That's how life for us growing 1930 01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:26,920 up was, yeah. Yeah. 1931 01:29:27,480 --> 01:29:30,440 You know, we were Christians, but now we're just open to 1932 01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:32,720 whatever. Like, to each their own. 1933 01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,840 Like, you know, we don't want to discourage anyone from doing 1934 01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:37,040 anything that makes them feel at peace, right? 1935 01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:40,480 I love the discussions that have arisen because I've taken myself 1936 01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:43,760 out of that. Like I when it sucks, but when I 1937 01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,520 was in that, I grew up in that too. 1938 01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:49,840 I had a very closed mind. I had a very narrow perspective, 1939 01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:50,440 right? Yes. 1940 01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:53,320 And now that I've stepped out of that, I'm like, oh, hey. 1941 01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:55,040 That's like part of what we're speaking out of. 1942 01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:56,760 Yeah, yeah. It's like I can see what. 1943 01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:58,680 This album. I can see the humans going for 1944 01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:03,280 like the person I was was judgmental, household critical, 1945 01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:07,040 like all of these things that I was like reactive. 1946 01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:13,560 And yet that was, you know, when I was most following faith or in 1947 01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:15,960 these things. And yet now that I've stepped 1948 01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:19,280 away and maybe it's cannabis, maybe it's time, maybe it's 1949 01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:22,280 perspective, maybe it's a million things combined into a 1950 01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:24,960 one. But now I look at it and I'm 1951 01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:28,920 like, I I see way more of the human and the struggle and like 1952 01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:32,840 the person instead of like whatever it was before. 1953 01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:36,040 Yeah, like there's a certain weight to wisdom, I believe, you 1954 01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:39,400 know, as we age. Yeah, you know, there really is. 1955 01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:41,160 That's a really good statement there. 1956 01:30:41,160 --> 01:30:44,000 There's a weight to wisdom because it, it is hard. 1957 01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,920 You know, I'm and, and when you meet people, because, I mean, 1958 01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:50,320 I'm part of the local faith, but I, I find myself being that 1959 01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:54,120 bridge of communication between both sides because I get the 1960 01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:56,440 other side going. How the fuck are you a Mormon? 1961 01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:58,120 Yeah. And then the other one's like, 1962 01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:01,480 you're a Mormon. The the the Mormons ask me and 1963 01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:03,040 you're a Mormon. Dude, I I I know. 1964 01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:05,440 I think it's hilarious. Countless good Mormons too. 1965 01:31:05,440 --> 01:31:06,640 I don't. Well, they're just nice. 1966 01:31:06,640 --> 01:31:07,760 People. No. 1967 01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,760 No, but The thing is. I have many of those values too. 1968 01:31:10,840 --> 01:31:13,840 But a lot of them have this idea of perfection or whatever the 1969 01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:17,040 fuck that means, right? And it's, yeah, it doesn't. 1970 01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:18,160 It's not. It doesn't exist. 1971 01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:20,680 It doesn't exist and it's like this shame factory dude. 1972 01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:24,240 Like being Christ like is just treating each other like you 1973 01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:27,960 want to be treated like. Be nice to people helping them 1974 01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:30,320 just to help them. Yeah, not like, hey dude, I'll 1975 01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,960 pick you up, but it's what's. It for me, yeah, Gosh. 1976 01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:37,400 Like I can't help you because if it's not a quid pro quo, fuck 1977 01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:40,720 you, right? But it, it definitely, it just 1978 01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:43,200 feels like it, it's just so strange. 1979 01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:44,720 But that's where a lot of people ask like. 1980 01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:48,240 It's subject to like, to every kind of social construct you can 1981 01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:50,040 ever see. There's there's gonna be 1982 01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:55,520 complete dipshit assholes on one side and like the genuine best 1983 01:31:55,520 --> 01:31:59,520 people in that in that group. But it's like. 1984 01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:01,520 All bad people, really. It doesn't really. 1985 01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:03,000 Matter. I like that, yeah. 1986 01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:05,440 You have to have both sides because without it there's no 1987 01:32:05,440 --> 01:32:07,800 progression because if everybody was just doing it then it'd be 1988 01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:09,520 demolition. And we're all capable of. 1989 01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:11,760 Have you seen that movie? Which one? 1990 01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:13,520 Demolition Man. No, I've not seen. 1991 01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:14,880 Demolition. Fuck, do you guys want to have a 1992 01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:17,320 good laugh? Everything that's going on like 1993 01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:20,240 right around now, they made fun of this shit back in the 90s and 1994 01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:22,920 they were like, this is what happens after this, everybody. 1995 01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:28,320 Loves The Simpsons episode. Dude, it's so funny and it's 1996 01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:31,320 just a story about how society is all happy. 1997 01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:33,040 You're not allowed to touch each other. 1998 01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:39,080 You can't swear, eat spicy food, you can't do all these things 1999 01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:42,480 right. And then Wesley Snipes is 2000 01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:45,320 released from prison, so you know that shit's going OK. 2001 01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,080 And then they're like, fuck, who do we get to do this? 2002 01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:49,720 Well, let's get the guy with the list. 2003 01:32:49,720 --> 01:32:54,640 So they get Sylvester Stallone and he comes out and it's this 2004 01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:58,040 funny fucking world that they're in where they're like frozen. 2005 01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:00,400 Anyways, I'm not going to, I'm not going to spoil it. 2006 01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:02,080 Watch it. And you're going to laugh your 2007 01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:04,840 ass off during it. Because he saw it and he was 2008 01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:06,640 just like. What the fuck like this? 2009 01:33:06,840 --> 01:33:09,680 I felt that way about Idiocracy. Yes, I love them. 2010 01:33:09,680 --> 01:33:10,280 They're so bad. It just. 2011 01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:13,520 Keeps getting. Truer oh movie that's slowly 2012 01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:16,000 becoming a documentary. Are you a video gamer? 2013 01:33:16,480 --> 01:33:18,080 Yes, Sir. Well, yeah, I mean, what are 2014 01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:20,520 you? Playing dude right now I'm on 2015 01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:22,200 the biggest dead by daylight kick. 2016 01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:24,240 It is so much. Fun. 2017 01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:26,960 That's what my son's been playing a ton of I'm. 2018 01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:29,000 Oh yeah, no. So he I played with him. 2019 01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:32,040 Oh, with Nick? Yeah, Get the fuck out of here, 2020 01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:35,200 dude. He's funny as shit on that game. 2021 01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:38,560 He's so funny, like because I got him into this habit, like 2022 01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,320 where you go over there and you grab a guy and you throw him up 2023 01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:43,640 on the hook and I'm all fucking hit him. 2024 01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:47,040 Show him what's up. And so he doesn't when he. 2025 01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:48,440 Throws people up. There he goes. 2026 01:33:48,720 --> 01:33:51,760 Flat and I'm like, that's right bitches, that's so funny and 2027 01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:53,800 he's just like and. They're probably getting so 2028 01:33:53,800 --> 01:33:57,240 upset about it dude. I'm already on the hook. 2029 01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:01,720 It's just so fucking fair, dude. That game is fucked up. 2030 01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:02,840 It is. So fun. 2031 01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:05,800 Yeah, he played. His favorite is Chucky. 2032 01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:09,480 But if I'm not like so, I'm really particular with my online 2033 01:34:09,480 --> 01:34:10,600 games. OK. 2034 01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:15,400 Like for me, I kind of fell off the first person shooter train 2035 01:34:15,400 --> 01:34:17,640 years ago. It like it all just felt the 2036 01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:19,840 same. Time ago trying. 2037 01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:22,600 Like you, you can. You know, you can call this gun 2038 01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,960 whatever and make it shiny and do whatever kind of damage. 2039 01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:28,280 Yeah, I'm on a pod guy. I hate pod. 2040 01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:31,040 It's still just the first person thing with a little thing 2041 01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:33,440 floating in front of you and you. 2042 01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:35,600 Know you want to challenge? Go play Insurgency. 2043 01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:39,320 There's no reticle and bullet count. 2044 01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:42,800 Oh, it's fun my. My my biggest love right now is 2045 01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:45,920 the Fromsoft games. Oh yeah, you play in Eldon Ring 2046 01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:47,080 I. Love that shit. 2047 01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:52,400 I've read a platinum Sakiro and Liza P even though that's not 2048 01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:55,280 Fromsoft but like it's. You get to play. 2049 01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:57,480 What's that one? The monkey one. 2050 01:34:57,800 --> 01:34:59,280 Oh oh. Black myth. 2051 01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:01,640 Black Myth. Yeah, that game looked intense. 2052 01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:04,720 That's on my list. I'm very ready to play that. 2053 01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:07,800 You guys play near Automata? Not yet. 2054 01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:10,960 No, it's near automata. Yeah, yeah, I just barely beat 2055 01:35:10,960 --> 01:35:12,040 it actually. Dude. 2056 01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:13,600 Yeah, a game. Used to go. 2057 01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:16,360 For the first time I played it right like seven years after it 2058 01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:18,480 was released. But like, I really enjoyed it. 2059 01:35:18,480 --> 01:35:20,200 Trippy fucking game. That's cool. 2060 01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:21,720 Yeah, Yeah. That's very. 2061 01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:26,800 Strange and different style. Yeah, very anime, very creepy 2062 01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:29,160 Japanese guy. Yeah, yeah. 2063 01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:31,480 Can I see upper skirt? This is good. 2064 01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:36,840 If you self destruct, you blow off all of your clothes and you 2065 01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:40,480 got like a thong going up there and just like, like that's 2066 01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:43,280 what's going to make this Android more aerodynamic. 2067 01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:46,240 Like what's slowing her down? It's got to be the full 2068 01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:48,280 underwear. Fucking cut it down. 2069 01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:50,920 She's a stripper. From Venice, the design of 2B 2070 01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:53,080 may have been yeah, pretty perverted, but it was so. 2071 01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:56,200 Fun, yeah, but I mean, if you're really into it and you get to go 2072 01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:58,800 to a Comic Con, you're going to see some really awesome stuff. 2073 01:35:59,200 --> 01:36:03,880 Hopefully that what lady who's just you know, shouldn't be 2074 01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,240 wearing that what other nerdy games into. 2075 01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:10,520 Magic the Gathering, Yeah. Yeah, we love the magic. 2076 01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:12,840 Yeah. That's cool, I never got into 2077 01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:16,320 card games. That one is so good. 2078 01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:18,520 Dude it's ultra nerdy but it's super fun. 2079 01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:21,480 Yeah, no. I think it's been called or 2080 01:36:21,480 --> 01:36:24,840 titled The Most Complicated Game period. 2081 01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:27,840 All right, well, hey guys, thank you guys so much for coming. 2082 01:36:27,840 --> 01:36:29,280 It's been an awesome conversation. 2083 01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:30,720 Learned so much about what you guys. 2084 01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:34,280 You guys will be able to find their link down below over to 2085 01:36:34,280 --> 01:36:36,480 Spotify. Go over there, like it, follow 2086 01:36:36,480 --> 01:36:39,560 them, share it with everybody, especially if you're in 2087 01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:41,200 Helsinki. You guys already know about 2088 01:36:41,200 --> 01:36:42,360 this. You guys are probably freaking 2089 01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:44,400 out right now. Like, Oh my God, they're on the 2090 01:36:44,440 --> 01:36:47,200 show. They're, it's, it's just, I know 2091 01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:50,680 everything about them. You got a little shrine view 2092 01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:52,720 made in their house. We have a little more 2093 01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:56,360 concentration there as all. Yeah, for some odd reason it's 2094 01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:58,080 been distributed to all kinds of places. 2095 01:36:58,080 --> 01:36:59,760 We don't have visibility to everything. 2096 01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:02,960 No well, hopefully now if you guys are metal fans, I know 2097 01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:05,520 there's a lot of you guys out there and if you're not anyways, 2098 01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:09,680 check them out right, give them some give them some love and go 2099 01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:12,480 down and check out the links check out the website it's. 2100 01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:14,040 It's pretty. Awesome. 2101 01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:15,640 It's awesome. And TuneIn next week. 2102 01:37:16,040 --> 01:37:18,080 All right, guys, take care. Thanks for your time guys.