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Welcome to Cannabis School. 
I'm your host, Jesse Angeles. 

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And I'm Brandon Elder. 
And we're here to talk to you 

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about everything pertaining to 
cannabis, from vape, flower, 

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edibles, strains, and everything
in between. 

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So if you're racist, then you 
hate cannabis, apparently. 

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If you're racist, you hate 
cannabis. 

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Well, that's kind of how it all 
got started this. 

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Pretty much. 
Yeah, being illegal. 

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And and in today's episode of 
The 101, we have been asked why 

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is cannabis illegal? 
Yeah, like what happened in the 

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first place. 
Right. 

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And there's a lot of different 
talking heads that will say, oh,

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it's because of religion or it's
because of this or that. 

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Like I I. 
Don't know if I've heard a 

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religious push. 
No, I'm hearing from like, 

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people like I asked. 
I asked for a lot of like. 

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Random people and. 
I'm like, hey, what do you 

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think? 
Why do you think it's illegal? 

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Well, because because Christians
don't do that. 

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This was like a non LDS person. 
I asked. 

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And they go, well Christians 
aren't supposed to do that. 

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And I'm like, why not? 
And they go, well, it's illegal.

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So it always goes back to that. 
When somebody says something is 

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just so, then it's illegal. 
It's bad for you, right? 

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Like eggs. 
Have you ever seen that? 

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There was this, like what, the 
health documentary or 

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mockumentary on Netflix and he 
talked about how eggs are 

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carcinogenic. 
It's just as much as cigarettes.

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Just. 
Fucking weird, that's what they 

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said. 
In there. 

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And my niece at the time, she's 
like Uncle Jesse eggs. 

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You eat a lot of eggs. 
Yeah, you you gotta stop at the 

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eggs cause it's gonna kill you. 
Die. 

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Yeah, that's like cigarettes, 
bro. 

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The yolk, The cholesterol. 
And even that myth of that the 

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the egg yolk is so bad for you 
to this day. 

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It's even to the point where 
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completely criminal and he goes 
into this margarine and butter. 

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Margarine is whipped oil. 
Yeah. 

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It's not even the same and it's 
you're spreading it on there. 

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You know don't even get me 
started about a lot of the oils,

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but it's it's an inflammatory 
and this is being promoted as a 

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health product. 
So going into this, this started

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around the 19th. 
Well, take us to it, man. 

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It's got a whole, yeah, I was. 
I spent a lot of time doing 

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some. 
Same and going back and forth, 

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right? 
I mean, like, who got this going

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'cause it's always starts with 
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Well, it depends on where you 
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A lot of people point the 
fingers at like William Randolph

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Hearst. 
They point the fingers at Nixon 

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pre like 1900s. 
Cannabis has been used for 

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thousands of years. 
It's been in like archaeological

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digs. 
It's been found in like ancient 

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Egypt times. 
It's been known through Asia. 

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Yeah, for thousands of years. 
It's been known as a medication.

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And then in the like 1880s, it 
was in most, most medications. 

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What flavor we got here? 
This today is Tropicana 

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cherries. 
Yeah, my favorite. 

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Like it has pretty purple colors
and yeah, figured it would be 

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perfect for today. 
Anyways, Continue. 

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All right. 
So in the 1880s it was actually 

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just in like 80% of over the 
counter medications and 1906 

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they actually started putting in
regulations that made it so you 

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had to label and put on the 
label that there was cannabis or

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whatever in there. 
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to restrictions, regulations of 
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Do you know why that was? 
Well, they didn't have any. 

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They didn't have any label on 
what was actually in there. 

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So. 
This was like a label of not 

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necessarily you have to put the 
cannabises in there, but it was 

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like opium any other, like 
cocaine was used. 

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There was all sorts of things 
that were used opiates and that.

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So you had to basically label 
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This is what's in here. 
So we're coming out of the Wild 

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West, right, 'cause the death of
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I mean, when people don't know, 
like the history of the West, it

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was only like 30 years. 
It wasn't very long. 

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It was a very short time. 
But it's so iconic. 

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But during that time, you had 
opium being openly used, called 

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laudanum, right? 
And they had cannabis oil, being

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the cannabis oils that they had 
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'cause it was direct, like, I 
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there was Sir William Brooke 
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Oh yeah, O'Shaughnessy. 
And he was an Irish doctor 

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studying in India. 
O'Shaughnessy. 

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So this was basically the 
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white people being introduced to
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And so he actually documented 
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ease cholera symptoms like 
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And by the late 19th century, 
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buy any of those pharmacies and 
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stomach aches, migraines, 
inflammation, insomnia and other

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That was just standard across 
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on their list of like 
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Even though it started becoming 
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It was a tax stamp tag. 
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you to have recreational or not 
medical cannabis, you had to 

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have a stamp to say that you 
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And the problem with that was, 
is the way the government put it

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in place was just so you had to 
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you applied for that 'cause, 
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for it and not having it there, 
which is fraudulent. 

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So then they could throw you in 
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thing that you never did like. 
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the 60s when it was actually 
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Like that's part of the 5th 
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You are not. 
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You don't have to legally 
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There's no way that you would 
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So it was just a thing of like, 
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So they got rid of that in 67 
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They brought in or 60, Let's go 
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It might be 69 and 70, but 
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next one and they brought in the
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that now it's not even a legal 
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according to the 10th Amendment,
any power that is not guaranteed

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or written in the Constitution 
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And anytime according to law 
that or is in, you can choose 

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which one it is. 
So it's either the person or the

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state can choose what powers. 
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the Constitution, whether it's a
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controlled by the state or the 
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You. 
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right to delegate according to 
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you can use cannabis, period. 
It is unconstitutional. 

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Now, the ACT that they regulate 
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commerce. 
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Controlled Substances Act, which
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commerce. 
So it's not constitutional, it's

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just commerce too. 
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accountable and throw people in 
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system around it. 
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in the 20s, we had William 
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because back in 1910 was the 
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people coming over. 
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at the same time of blacks, 
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But it actually originated back 
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and going like, hey, they use 
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And it's even spelled like MARIH
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Still, it's all this stuff of 
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And that's what they put in. 
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that was pushed out by Randolph 
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makes black people think they're
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Yeah, I. 
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That, yeah, It's like women want
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Asian women or whatever. 
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Are leaving for the BBC. 
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ignorant and terrified are you? 
Like this is what they're 

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perpetuating, but. 
It's fear based and and it's 

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exactly that. 
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around that area over there 
saying that, you know, cannabis 

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being illegal started with being
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that time. 
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even brought up as racism at the
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It's just the way it is. 
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lower class people, blacks were 
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they would frequent because this
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have, right. 
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the time, it wasn't so readily 
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expensive. 
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that was also the introduction 
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prohibition, when there was 
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But then obviously alcohol got 
massive too. 

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Well, yeah, there's. 
All the alcohol runners and. 

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When you talk about the Mexican 
Revolution, you know what that 

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War that was much earlier in 
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So when you're talking about 
this, it's particular time this 

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is going towards their more 
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The Mexican Revolution. 
Which funny enough is I have a 

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relative, an ancestor who 
actually fought alongside Pancho

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Villa for the freedom of Mexico.
He's and they have an airport 

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named after. 
Him. 

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That's interesting. 
I didn't. 

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I. 
Didn't learn that until later on

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my dad was down there. 
He's like, you actually have a 

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relative who was, he was like a 
Brigadier General and broke away

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from them and and joined up. 
But going back into, well, a lot

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of cultures everywhere were 
using this anyways a lot and it 

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was well, but it was just super 
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Tobacco is not as common as 
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You know when they talk about a 
lot of that, where, you know how

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tobacco got over to Europe was 
from Native Americans, they 

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would bring them over there and 
they're like, yeah, we'll leave.

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there too. 
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But cannabis had been there 
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Yeah, Well, and it's been a 
medicine forever. 

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So the Controlled Substance Act,
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like they put it in a schedule 
one, which is where it is 

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remains today. 
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controlled substance acts. 
Basically schedule one is the 

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substance has a high potential 
for abuse. 

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The substance has no currently 
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treatment in the United States 
and there's a lack of accepted 

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safety for the use of drug drug 
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Now that's what they say for 
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Yet the compound THC, the most 
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claim within cannabis exists. 
That one is a schedule 3 because

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they have a pill which is just a
or they have a medication on the

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market called Marinol which is 
just synthesized THC because 

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they think the government claims
that the one compound, the 

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synthesized compound, is safer 
than the 300 plus compounds that

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are combined in naturally 
occurring cannabis plant. 

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And that's safer, but yet the 
side effects are worse. 

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Straight THC is not fun. 
But yet in that moment, they're 

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still claiming that there's 
medical benefit. 

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So there is a medical value in 
the United States for Marinol 

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that is a medication, so that is
cannabis derived like it is a 

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synthesized cannabinoid. 
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there's medical value. 
They have the same thing for 

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CBD. 
So they have two products on the

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market medically proven that 
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to the FDA and everything that 
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But yet they're claiming that 
there's still no medical value 

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in this plant that it originates
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So why is it still legal today? 
Illegal money, Business, 

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politics. 
That's a pretty easy way. 

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But I mean like what are the 
other, I mean what's the 

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evidence of that? 
Well, so even back in looking 

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back at 1944, Nixon was around 
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and Nixon went to them. 
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guys to go and find all of this 
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cannabis is a terrible drug. 
1964. 1944 It's called the 

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LaGuardia Committee Report from 
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Mexican. 
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The LaGuardia or the then he was
Senator. 

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was not physically addictive, 
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did not lead to crime. 
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Federal Bureau of Narcotics, 
labeled the report unscientific,

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and prohibition kept going. 
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since then, there's another like
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that data and find the same 
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Find that it's not a gateway 
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these things that they're still 
holding it in. 

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So this is the precursor to the 
DEA, correct? 

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Yes. 
Yeah, was the Federal Bureau of 

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Narcotics. 
Yeah, that sounds just as. 

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I mean, that guy sounds just as 
crooked as that fucker. 

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Nixon because the when it went 
down even further. 

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There's the Shaver Commission in
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least as safe as alcohol and 
actually recommended to Nixon 

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ending the federal prohibition 
in favor of public health. 

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it emerged as into the 
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Nixon's ally John Mitchell 
placed cannabis in schedule one 

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in 1972. 
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So that's where I'm confused, 
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political part, but the money 
part not so much. 

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Right now it's all pharma based.
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pharmaceutical companies are the
ones that have Marinol and they 

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have the CBD version out there. 
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on the market that are federally
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only ones that can legally make 
money. 

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And they're not taxed on the way
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taxed. 
They're taxed like a normal 

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business. 
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enough money for them to be able
to fight against that 'cause it 

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doesn't make any sense. 
I mean, you know what I'm saying

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is, like, if you have a drug and
I'm just playing devil's 

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advocate here, I'm not, I'm not 
siding with it. 

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But saying you got a drug that 
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with pain management, right? 
So let's take Oxycontin. 

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And even though it's it's put 
out there, they make billions 

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upon billions of dollars like 
almost like a Sheik, like you 

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don't know how much money. 
But how many people when you get

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prescribed Oxycontin or any real
painkillers, how many of those 

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are short term treatments? 
Oh yeah, they're all short term 

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treatments. 
No, but I'm saying like I'm not,

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I'm not saying that. 
I'm saying about the the medical

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problem. 
I'm not saying like I get that 

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there if I created something 
that could be just as effective 

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on pain management with no side 
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opium to do that, I would see 
why Big Pharma be like we got to

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kill that motherfucker. 
Yeah, right. 

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But then I think cannabis with 
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are minors and used very 
infrequently I would imagine. 

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I don't know. 
I'm not actually sure 'cause I 

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haven't done too much digging 
into like what the market is on 

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Marinol or the CBD version, but.
I'm saying it it, it's not a big

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enough market. 
I mean if you look at the pain 

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management market, it's a multi 
trillion dollar market. 

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Oh yeah, but that one is mostly 
managed by medications that. 

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Right. 
And then, but that's the same 

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thing though. 
I mean, I know that those work, 

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but the the side effect is so 
severe, even death, right, 

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Cannabis. 
Can it help with pain? 

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It can. 
Can it get rid of pain on that 

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level? 
I don't think so. 

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It can, depending on your dose 
on the cannabinoids on. 

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But that also depends upon the 
cannabinoids system. 

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And like what type of pain it 
is, how you're addressing it. 

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Like there's many things that 
address that just the same as 

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like Lord have not guaranteed 
that it'll get my pain. 

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No, no, but it's the same way 
but it's just the dulling sense 

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and that and that's why the 
money part I I get, but I don't 

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get I get more of the perception
really. 

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Is there this big agenda from 
big pharma to cut down cannabis 

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like I don't know. 
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Think it restricts it until 
they're allowed to get in it. 

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I don't think it's to keep it 
from ever happening. 

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I think it's to like. 
I don't see Big Pharma. 

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I see Big Tobacco being more of 
that because they have an actual

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cause. 
They've lost so much they've 

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lost. 
But that's the other person, 

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right? 
So it's still a money agenda? 

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No, no, it totally is a money 
agenda. 

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But. 
Like you said, tobacco, there's 

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a there's all these players who 
are in it. 

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It's not just pharma, but it's 
not admitting or going well. 

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It's not like, yeah, they're 
players in there. 

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We can't be that ignorant to go.
They're not an. 

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Influence in someone or the 
other. 

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I just don't see it as a 
majority. 

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I see it as a minority. 
I see the. 

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Department as a minority. 
Absolutely against cannabis. 

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Because the reason why is 
because they already have a they

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make trillions of dollars. 
This isn't going to disrupt them

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in anytime soon. 
And the reason why is because 

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laws don't change. 
Yeah. 

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'Cause there's no law change, 
yeah, but the. 

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Laws only change based upon open
perception. 

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The reason why I say it is that 
LDS Church was totally against 

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cannabis, has paid to get 
lobbying against it. 

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The only reason why it changed 
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of Utahn said we'd want it and 
so they go OK fine. 

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'Cause the valid initiative 
passed, but then it's like why 

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was it for? 
Them it wasn't for money. 

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It was the perception that it 
was bad. 

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But then it's also, hey, we 
don't have control of this 

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because this has gotten pushed 
through anyway. 

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This is what the people want, 
but we don't have control in 

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here. 
We need and and it wasn't the 

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perfect system, honestly. 
No, no like. 

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Like where it's at now, what do 
you see being the biggest like 

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contributors to it still 
remaining illegal? 

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I honestly think it's because of
the perception, not just of 

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religious context, but just the 
perception of who people were if

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you go back in time. 
Religion plays a big part in 

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that. 
I think it does have a part in 

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keeping it illegal. 
A part I was like I don't but I 

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feel like it would be AI. 
Haven't felt like religion's 

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played a massive. 
Role No, yeah, I mean, I'll take

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it. 
You know, for the the church I'm

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a part of, they they spent a lot
of money going against cannabis.

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Here especially. 
Yeah, here especially and 

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anywhere else they try to go 
legal, right? 

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Necessarily. 
But the the thing that the 

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reason why they changed it was 
because, well, everybody wanted 

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it. 
And I see that's the reason why 

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we're starting to see more and 
more states become legal or in a

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legal in a medical state, you 
know, do I agree with how Utah's

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set up? 
I think it sucks that we only 

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have a few, a handful of 
dispensaries literally, and the 

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growers are limited. 
Well, when we have tons of 

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growers too, but like when we 
went down with Nerath even then 

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from Dragonfly and we had that 
discussion about like OK, this 

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is a medical program and they're
saying their intent is to help 

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patients, but how many places do
we actually have pharmacies? 

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They're all just in the main 
main densely populated areas. 

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However, if you go off of those 
main densely populated areas, 

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you have to go hours and hours 
and hours to get to some of 

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these small cities, some of 
these other places and that and 

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you're like there is nothing for
any of these people with these 

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patient like these issues. 
So it really doesn't help. 

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But they can't grow it either, 
because legally they don't allow

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you to do a medicine like to 
grow your own medicine, even if 

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you live really far out. 
So it's like there are there are

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imperfect programs everywhere. 
Right. 

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But but the the, the 
legalization part, the way I 

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think it's still illegal is 
because the perception is still 

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bad. 
Like you should trust the FBI 

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and CIA. 
Like the perception is you 

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should trust them because 
they're good. 

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But we've learned that they have
done lots of really crooked 

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things to hurt us as U.S. 
citizens. 

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Yeah, but when we talk about 
like cannabis, it's like, it 

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just doesn't make sense. 
It really doesn't make sense on 

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the illegality. 
Yeah, I don't either because. 

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'Cause they'll say like 
textiles, like, oh, they would 

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make paper out of them, like. 
I'm not. 

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It was, yeah. 
Like there's all sorts of stuff 

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like in the 40s, nineteen 44 or 
World War Two time, Japan cut 

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off our supply of fibers for 
hemp. 

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So it was it was like they sent 
out hemp seeds to all of our 

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farmers across the US going 
please, please grow this. 

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That was a request from our 
government. 

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But yet we've done all this 
stuff all the time. 

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And I see all of these people, 
like, there's data from all of 

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these years about back in even 
1971, Nixon had like, they came 

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to him with the Schaefer 
Commission and they had these 

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reports about like, it's not 
dangerous, we should 

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decriminalize it. 
And he basically said, can I get

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that out of this son of a bitch 
and domestic counsel? 

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I mean, one on marijuana that 
just tears the ass out of him 

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because all he wanted, It didn't
matter. 

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They wanted to arrest the 
leaders of the black people, of 

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the minorities, of the Hispanic 
families. 

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They wanted to disrupt those 
communities, arrest their 

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leaders, raid their homes, break
up their meetings and vilify 

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them night after night. 
On the Evening News, it said, 

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did we know we were lying about 
the drugs? 

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Of course we did. 
And that was a direct quote from

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was it Nixon or Anslinger? 
Oh, no, it was actually his 

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Nixon's aide, John L Rickman. 
So. 

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Well, and it it just goes to 
where where the perception was, 

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you know, African Americans, it 
says in this this thing over 

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here at the Britannica, you 
know, according to some studies,

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African Americans in the early 
21st century were nearly four 

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times more likely than whites to
be arrested with marijuana. 

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And it's the perception of 
racism. 

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And that's why racism was was 
beneath it was not seen as good 

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as and so it was this. 
Like what was the other one 

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that. 
Maybe you can help me understand

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this, 'cause I I think about 
this a little bit here and 

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there. 
When I think about cannabis and 

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all of the information and 
education that has been provided

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to the United States, 
government, political officials,

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everything over the years, it 
still exists. 

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None of that data has 
disappeared. 

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So when we look at it and every 
time this has been approached, 

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every time it hits the Senate, 
it hits the House, everything 

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like that. 
Do the people just not read the 

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data that has been out there? 
Like why? 

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What is the discussion that 
happens that there's no 

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understanding of the scientific 
data that we have and that's 

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been out there because a basic 
understanding of a medicine. 

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There should be no more. 
Like it's a schedule one. 

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There should be no more this. 
It shouldn't be a hey, well, we 

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don't know what to do. 
It should be. 

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I'm sorry, the data's here. 
It can't be classified as this. 

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Schedule one can't work because 
we have medical value. 

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So it's not a. 
You need to reschedule or do 

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this. 
You need to address this now 

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because you're throwing people 
in for something that is false. 

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Right. 
And that's, I think that's go 

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goes back all the way back to 
Anslinger because it's perceived

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as bad and I perceive it as bad.
So it will be bad, right. 

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In including member, they came 
back to him going, OK well 

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here's the scientific report 
going, I don't see that report 

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as valid. 
I'm going to make my own 

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scientific report and I'll have 
my people approve it. 

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Yeah. 
And that's that's why I think 

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it's still illegal because of 
that perception, because we 

454
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,600
still have old individuals that 
are in Senate, in the Congress. 

455
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,720
Because it's not. 
A president doesn't have the law

456
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,680
to flick his pen and make it so.
No, I just mean as a human, how 

457
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:15,880
are you? 
That not you? 

458
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,200
No. 
No, yeah, but how? 

459
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,360
Senate or whoever is seeing that
it data and information. 

460
00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:23,080
How are you that ignorant? 
Well, because of the ignorance, 

461
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,280
it's the perception before. 
It's the perception instead of 

462
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,080
the perspective. 
But it's like science. 

463
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,960
If something came out and there 
was new information like, 

464
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,480
wouldn't they have to look at it
and try and at least consider 

465
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:34,920
it? 
Yeah, but there's people that 

466
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,800
have such strong beliefs, like 
flat Earthers, right? 

467
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,320
Like, you know, and I'm not 
hating on flather. 

468
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,560
If you're a flat earther, cool, 
that's awesome. 

469
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,800
But. 
They would love to hear your 

470
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,120
ideas or cause. 
Serious, right? 

471
00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:49,920
There's the Ice Wall, like they 
have and and Game of Thrones. 

472
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:50,720
Dude. 
Oh, OK. 

473
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,520
You're the whole thing like 
about their about some of the 

474
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:58,040
beliefs as but again the belief 
is so strong that the belief is 

475
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,440
so strong that the fear is 
induced and that the nobody 

476
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,080
moves forward with it. 
It takes something monumental, 

477
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,480
and I think that's where the 
stage we are right now is 

478
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,760
monumental. 
Because now what we're doing is 

479
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,560
we're moving more into open 
conversations about cannabis. 

480
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,520
Not as a bad thing, but how many
different types of amazing 

481
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,160
things are in this plant that 
are helping us every single day 

482
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,480
and that we feel better with. 
And like, you know, now, like, 

483
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,400
I'm feeling like incredibly 
antsy right now and a tenses in 

484
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:37,600
my jaw and I feel anxious in a 
different way, more the mind 

485
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,280
than in the body and the heart. 
I don't feel anything here. 

486
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,760
So that's why, you know, earlier
I, I was contributing to, I was 

487
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,200
like, what's going on? 
But 'cause it's not a 

488
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:49,960
conversation I normally have 
like that. 

489
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,240
So apologies. 
Yeah. 

490
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,480
Yeah. 
No, no, no, we're good. 

491
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,360
We're good. 
But you know when you when you 

492
00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:59,680
go into it like it, it goes back
to something that was said in 

493
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,040
here that has negative effects 
on these degenerate races. 

494
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,240
And what was another thing it 
you had said it earlier where 

495
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,240
they think they're as good as 
whites. 

496
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,240
Makes black people think they're
as good as white people, 

497
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,640
basically. 
Yeah, it was just like. 

498
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,880
It it this. 
The the xenophobia, which I love

499
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,320
the word xenophobia cause always
reminds me of aliens, right? 

500
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:22,800
Xenoborphs. 
But. 

501
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:26,720
Like, it's horrible. 
Though well, because of that, 

502
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,160
you know reefers makes darkies 
think that they're as good as 

503
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,880
white men. 
Like just that statement alone. 

504
00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:34,560
Most of the attacks upon the 
white women of the South are 

505
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,160
directly result of cocaine 
crazed in your brain. 

506
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,600
Yeah, seriously, like like. 
But again, why did was the 

507
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,360
perception there that they were 
lesser than it comes? 

508
00:26:44,360 --> 00:26:47,040
Back from us and of them. 
Yes, exactly. 

509
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:48,960
And I think that's what 
happened. 

510
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,920
That's why there should be term 
limits for these people. 

511
00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:55,680
You know, the president can only
serve eight years good, 

512
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,040
especially if they're really 
bad. 

513
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,320
If they get elected again, like,
what are you doing to yourself? 

514
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,920
But yet again, senators and 
congressmen are the ones who are

515
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,080
passing these laws. 
They're the ones who are getting

516
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,920
their palms greased by those 
entities that are saying hey. 

517
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,600
By whatever. 
Yeah, whatever entity is 

518
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,720
greasing them, but if that. 
Entity truly believes that it's 

519
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,080
bad not just for their business,
'cause you think about it like 

520
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,320
cannabis is in like $60 billion 
industry, $80 billion industry, 

521
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,680
it's gonna get even bigger. 
But comparatively to a lot of 

522
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,760
these other companies, they're a
minor player. 

523
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:33,880
And so it doesn't make sense 
like the entirety of, I mean, 

524
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,560
Elon Musk owns. 
If we were to put it in a A 

525
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,080
percentage over there, Elon Musk
would have most of the all the 

526
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,960
profits of cannabis fits within 
his portfolio of how much money 

527
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,440
he has. 
Right. 

528
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,320
Like it. 
It's like, Oh yeah, I have that 

529
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,960
in my savings account, right? 
I mean and that's the entire 

530
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,760
market though, right? 
That's my I Vetmo that often but

531
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:00,640
you know what He I can't do it. 
It's not the African accent like

532
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,200
he does. 
But you know, when you just 

533
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:08,240
think about it, like it just it,
it's infuriating to me that the 

534
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,240
laws still stay. 
And the reason why is because of

535
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,600
these, like you take that, like 
I why I brought up the church. 

536
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,240
The church is a lot like that, a
lot like that where it's like if

537
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,120
we say sure, if we don't say 
sure, it's not the majority, 

538
00:28:23,360 --> 00:28:26,360
it's the minority. 
But that's in any organization, 

539
00:28:26,360 --> 00:28:27,680
right? 
That's why we have a president 

540
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,040
or kings or Queens or whatever. 
We we don't want to take that 

541
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,000
responsibility. 
But when that responsibility 

542
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,760
lies upon you and you're only 
making that decision because, 

543
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,480
well, my parents said it was 
bad. 

544
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,040
So it's bad. 
Yeah, right. 

545
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,640
I mean, honestly, that's where 
I. 

546
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,200
Feel, I just go to my mind when 
you said that goes to like 

547
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,600
Waterboy and Adam Sandler, he's 
like, oh, mom and dad, like the 

548
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,960
gate has come from here or 
something. 

549
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,560
I'm like, Oh my God, how dumb 
are you, 'cause sometimes that's

550
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,160
what it sounds like. 
It does. 

551
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,880
And I'm like, OK, and it's not 
it's not to blame the person. 

552
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,600
It's to go, hey, maybe you 
haven't been introduced to the 

553
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,280
information and like. 
But sometimes, yeah, but it's 

554
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,800
sometimes it's they're blind to 
it. 

555
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,400
It's just like going back to 
Ansler, I don't believe your 

556
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,640
data. 
Your data is false. 

557
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,920
But that's when it's like, OK, 
but this isn't my data. 

558
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,520
This is scientists data from 
hundreds of years, from tons of 

559
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,680
different places, not just one. 
This is this university, this 

560
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,560
university, this country, this 
has been funded by the US here, 

561
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,200
this like, this is not my data. 
This is data from a million 

562
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,080
different sources that all have 
at least the same basis. 

563
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,480
When I'm saying your data, I 
mean it's, it's. 

564
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,200
Their. 
Approach Yeah, it's their 

565
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,160
approach of saying like, well, 
who cares? 

566
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,120
Like, did they grow up in my 
hometown? 

567
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,360
But where did they know my Mama?
Where? 

568
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,000
Is their data that this person 
supporting the other? 

569
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,160
Because it's like, OK, well, if 
you're saying this data doesn't 

570
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,160
support it, I want to see your 
data that you're pulling your 

571
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,080
information from, or your bias. 
From and and that's why I think 

572
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,680
we're at this next precipice of 
legalization and there because 

573
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,520
honestly like the the biggest 
worries I have with legalization

574
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,280
is the quality of product it's 
gonna get. 

575
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,960
Always way down. 
It needs to be a standard of 

576
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,520
regulation, kind of like 
alcohol. 

577
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,160
Hey, I'm sorry, We can't have 
half assed beers being out there

578
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,320
or alcohols that are gonna make 
people go blind or deaf or like,

579
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,560
'cause death. 
Stuff we heard about in the. 

580
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,720
Project Normal death because you
drink too much. 

581
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,080
Like all of the things that you 
look at. 

582
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,400
Yeah, like you said in 
Prohibition. 

583
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,200
OK, well, how do you get that 
standard of regulation across 

584
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,280
the board for cannabis? 
Because that's all you need is a

585
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,520
good regulation to go. 
We want to make sure people are 

586
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,840
safe. 
We recognize there's medical 

587
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,880
values because we're not stupid.
We can read. 

588
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,960
And that's what I think it needs
to be, is going, hey, if you're 

589
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,280
making the decision to say that 
you're choosing this to be 

590
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,680
illegal, I need you to prove 
your supported data that you're 

591
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,240
basing this on. 
And if you can't, you need to 

592
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,040
get off the pot. 
Yeah, but it's it's it's a hard 

593
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,800
thing because these, you know 
Once Upon a time there are these

594
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,440
jobs that as Congress and 
senators they were, they weren't

595
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,440
making crazy money. 
Now they make crazy money of a 

596
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,080
lot of insider trading of 
course. 

597
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,320
But and if and the ones who 
aren't doing really well, 

598
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,280
they're good people but they're 
not going to be there long. 

599
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,380
You know the whole purpose of 
these politicians is to get re 

600
00:31:09,380 --> 00:31:10,040
elected. 
Yeah. 

601
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,440
They're not not there to to 
serve you. 

602
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,040
They're no, they may have some 
good intentions at first. 

603
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,680
I I'm not gonna say they don't. 
Cause usually I feel like when 

604
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,560
they get in there, they're 
working, they're thinking 

605
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,040
they're going in for the people 
and when they get in and work 

606
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,640
for the organization, they're 
working for the organization. 

607
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,040
Yeah, and in order for you to 
continue to make the living that

608
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:29,280
you are, to continue fighting 
the fight that you one day will 

609
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,520
fight, which you'll never come, 
then you just start in this 

610
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,760
circle of chasing your own tail.
It's a snake eating its own 

611
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,080
tail. 
It's just constant. 

612
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,600
It doesn't stop and that's where
I think with the legalization 

613
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,680
and or at least changing the 
definition of it like I I'm 

614
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,240
still like, you know we talked 
about it reschedule. 

615
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,320
Versus D schedule. 
Yeah. 

616
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,880
Yeah. 
Like I'm I, I I think they're 

617
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,440
both a pipe dream at this moment
and I don't know if it would you

618
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,760
know they're like oh if they did
that like so and so would get 

619
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,920
like way more votes. 
Not really. 

620
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,240
I don't know anybody who's going
to the ballot going well because

621
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:08,840
he's gonna make because. 
That's never happened because 

622
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,320
every president has been like, 
Oh yeah, this'll happen. 

623
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,800
I'm gonna do this. 
I'll support marijuana. 

624
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,320
And then they get in and like I 
said, they can't do it. 

625
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,200
Nothing happens. 
It has to go through all of 

626
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,320
these other idiots in the House 
and the Senate to vote it when 

627
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,840
they're like, I don't understand
this. 

628
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,840
Marijuana scares me, OK? 
Yeah, but the the thing it comes

629
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,640
out now, it's where why is it 
legal in certain States and not 

630
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,640
in others? 
And that's where the loophole 

631
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,400
that you were talking about 
because it's unconstitutional. 

632
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,120
So they have to be able to 
figure out loopholes in the law 

633
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,960
in order for it to happen. 
When was it? 

634
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,560
Which one was the 1st at 
California being able to come 

635
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,960
out first? 
1996 was the first medical 

636
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,240
program. 
But I mean, you think back all 

637
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,960
the way to then, right? 
That was a year before I 

638
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,840
graduated high school, and that 
was a long time ago. 

639
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,000
That feels like a long time ago,
but it was such a short span. 

640
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:07,040
And within just the last five 
years, we've seen tremendous 

641
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,040
growth. 
So that's where I think that 

642
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,720
this is going to perpetually 
change. 

643
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:16,240
If more states are able to come 
online and being able to sell 

644
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,600
direct, either in a medical or a
wreck, whatever they're doing, 

645
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,240
that's fine. 
But once that starts, being able

646
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,000
to be across the board where no 
more of the states can say, 

647
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,680
well, you know what, we we can't
do it. 

648
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,560
Why not? 
Because there's no reason why 

649
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,160
you can't like Idaho. 
There is no reason why, and you 

650
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,720
would think Utah would be more 
staunch than they would, but 

651
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,680
they are so staunch. 
Same right now. 

652
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,520
So as of March 2024, there are 
24 states in the United States 

653
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,040
that have legalized recreational
cannabis. 

654
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,960
And then so still it's illegal 
in Idaho, Wyoming, Nebraska, 

655
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:57,200
Kansas, Texas, Iowa, Indiana, 
Tennessee, North Carolina, South

656
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,600
Carolina, and Georgia. 
Now they might have some hemp or

657
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:05,720
cannabis, like a really low 
weird delta 8 Laws are things 

658
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,560
they allow, but. 
Dude, you know what's really 

659
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:14,080
funny is I'm looking at this map
and it shows when it says legal 

660
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,719
for adult use, illegal illegal 
possession, small amounts, 

661
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,800
conditional decriminalized. 
It still has Utah is illegal. 

662
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,360
Interesting. 
And it's a 20241, which is funny

663
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,639
because it's, it is legal here. 
Yeah. 

664
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,400
And that's just silly. 
But I mean, just seeing like 

665
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,400
you, you can actually see the 
whole Bible Belt is a lot of 

666
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,360
that. 
It's just And again that goes. 

667
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,679
Georgia. 
South Carolina. 

668
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:42,199
North Carolina. 
Oklahoma. 

669
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,080
Yeah, Oklahoma's now. 
It even says Oklahoma is 

670
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,440
illegal. 
Yeah, I think, oh, did I not 

671
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,760
write Oklahoma? 
No Oklahoma's legal. 

672
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,760
Kentucky. 
So this is a weird one. 

673
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,920
Like, I don't understand where 
this came from, but that's 

674
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,800
funny, you know, throughout the 
Bible Belt, though, exactly it, 

675
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,320
it's where it's like Florida 
hangs out on its own. 

676
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,440
Like it's really strange. 
And New York is fairly new to. 

677
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,040
A couple of years. 
Yeah. 

678
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,320
And so it's and we've been what,
four years I. 

679
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,720
Thought it was 20/19/2018 when 
it maybe 2019 when it passed and

680
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:19,400
then 2020 when it went into 
effect. 

681
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,040
Yeah. 
So we're about four years, Yeah,

682
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,640
almost four year. 
We're coming up on four years. 

683
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,840
That's and and everybody was 
using even during that time. 

684
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:34,960
I I would love to be able to say
that cannabis will be legalized 

685
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,840
during our our lifetime or 
within the next. 

686
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,720
I mean not in the lifetime. 
I'm making it sound like it's 

687
00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:44,280
some astronomical event. 
I don't think we'll see it like 

688
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,800
within a short period of time. 
Five years, I don't know. 

689
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,960
It keeps being pushed. 
I'm thinking of like, how long 

690
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,200
till the people in there are 
dead? 

691
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,080
Like the old truth? 
Is it 10 years, dude? 

692
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,560
Like, is it 5-10 years before a 
lot of those old people are? 

693
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:58,640
Dead. 
Look at them, Look at them, 

694
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,640
dude. 
Like one of the what's I don't 

695
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,920
even remember his name but they 
were asking him questions and he

696
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,720
was just staring off and he 
couldn't answer. 

697
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,920
And I was thinking, get that 
poor son of a bitch out of 

698
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,920
there. 
But The thing is, is they it's 

699
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,280
just weird. 
It's just weird. 

700
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,160
And it's those individuals that 
have maintained, like I joked, 

701
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,120
remember when we were on the 
ride and I said the only reason 

702
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,120
why we have legal cannabis in in
Utah because Orrin Hatch is 

703
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,280
dead? 
Yeah, Orrin Hatch was like 

704
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,600
hardcore drug czar type of guy. 
I mean, you know the, the 

705
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,120
saddest thing you see is when 
somebody gets busted with a pen 

706
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,240
or two back in the day, dude, 
they're big, big part. 

707
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:41,840
They're have a huge fine. 
So my buddy, he got pulled over 

708
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,600
because he worked for Vivint and
he would go out every summer and

709
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,200
go do installs, and he got a 
ticket right before he went out 

710
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,240
for the summer. 
And when he came back, 

711
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,520
apparently he'd forgotten to pay
it, and he had a warrant for an 

712
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:58,240
unpaid ticket. 
So now we're he's going down 

713
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:02,640
longboarding by the lake and 
just drives past a sheriff. 

714
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,800
Now of course, legally they're 
supposed to have reasonable 

715
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,320
suspicion or something to 
actually run your plates. 

716
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,400
He just ran it anyway. 
And then he pulled him out like 

717
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,920
so He's he's stopped 'cause he's
getting out of longboard now. 

718
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:22,800
Sheriff pulls up behind him, 
arrests him because apparently 

719
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,800
he hasn't warned, and then start
searching him and he's got a pen

720
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,600
on him. 
This was pre program here in 

721
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,240
Utah. 
There's no medical program. 

722
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,760
He got a like a DWI, even though
he wasn't in the car when he, 

723
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,200
the cop stopped him. 
He wasn't even in the driver's 

724
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,680
seat. 
It could have been the other guy

725
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,560
that was driving, but because, 
you know, he stopped him and 

726
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,240
pulled him out, like did all 
that, then he had a year of drug

727
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:51,320
testing to do. 
He had to go take a bunch of 

728
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,040
classes, all of this shit for a 
pen. 

729
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,680
Yeah, but that's sad. 
People go, people go to jail for

730
00:37:58,680 --> 00:37:59,720
that. 
Oh yeah. 

731
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:02,120
And I mean, if you think about 
it like I've I, I don't know 

732
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,680
anybody personally in Idaho. 
I've got Idaho listeners, you 

733
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,520
guys could tell us, but you 
know, people getting busted over

734
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,480
there for cannabis, it's still a
big deal in that state. 

735
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,120
Oh yeah, it's terrible. 
But yeah, I mean, every time I 

736
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,880
go up, I bring a pen or a 
vaporizer or something and I'm 

737
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,680
sitting out back and I'm puffing
out. 

738
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,200
I'm like, man, I wonder what 
these people here think when 

739
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,000
they smell this kind of stuff. 
Do they just have like a massive

740
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,360
heart attack? 
And I'm actually pretty chill in

741
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,440
that moment. 
Like, I'm not stressed, I'm not 

742
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,400
worried, am I gonna get busted? 
I'm just like, I'm sitting there

743
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,840
going, man, I'd hate to live 
here. 

744
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,360
I'd hate to have the stress of 
like, like, these people who 

745
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,960
live out here and are constantly
worried or fearful. 

746
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:43,160
And I'm sorry for you guys who 
are in that, like all around the

747
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,200
world, because there's tons of 
people who have that like, hey, 

748
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,920
it's illegal or I'm I like or 
it's really illegal. 

749
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,000
Like some places it's you'll get
a slap on the wrist. 

750
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,320
You get a $2550 fine, whatever 
it is, you're on your way. 

751
00:38:57,240 --> 00:38:59,600
Other places you're getting 
arrested for, you're going to 

752
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,720
jail for, like it's really 
fucking up your entire life. 

753
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,000
And that's what I hate, I hate 
and it it sucks that it's 

754
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,440
global. 
But even in our United States, I

755
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,640
hate that we have a federal 
regulation that goes, hey, this 

756
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:16,480
medicine that we have, like we 
hold a medical patent for right,

757
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:21,720
that we have like proof over 
tons and tons of years of 

758
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:26,080
medical benefits we're gonna 
throw people in prison for like,

759
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,720
where do you feel good? 
How is there any right or 

760
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:32,120
justice done in that moment at 
all? 

761
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,200
And it goes back to what we had 
said during the deschedule 

762
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,920
reschedule. 
You know the one big step I 

763
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,960
would like to see done, you know
before legalization is releasing

764
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,680
of all those individual who are 
in prison right now serving for 

765
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,360
cannabis related crimes, not 
drug related crime it. 

766
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,360
Was violence. 
Just just cannabis. 

767
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,240
Cannabis. 
They're just, they're moving 

768
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:56,720
weight. 
And. 

769
00:39:56,720 --> 00:39:58,680
Or they were just smoking a 
joint, yeah. 

770
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,960
Or you know. 
You know, like California used 

771
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,080
to have. 
I don't know if they still do 

772
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,640
have the three strikes law. 
It didn't matter what crimes you

773
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,040
committed. 
If you if you if you had like a 

774
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,520
felony or something like that 
and you committed any other 

775
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,280
crimes after it three times and 
you go to prison for 25. 

776
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,920
Jeez. 
Like you wanna talk about if 

777
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,280
there's somebody, You know what 
I would go on to that one, this 

778
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,400
conspiracy theory time. 
I would think that The 

779
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,280
Corrections. 
Prison. 

780
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,680
System Prison system would have 
more to do with keeping cannabis

781
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,520
illegal. 
You know where that's filled 

782
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,680
from the police and the judicial
system. 

783
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,360
So it could be it very well 
could be a a combination of the 

784
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,120
three of them. 
Well be there are a lot of 

785
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,040
prisons now that are privatized.
These are owned by corporations 

786
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,040
and so and they work in cahoots 
with. 

787
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,040
They have contracts with the 
people to keep their businesses.

788
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,240
Filled. 
Exactly. 

789
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:54,800
And so why not continue to 
perpetuate an idea that it's 

790
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,560
still bad? 
You know, we need to be able to 

791
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,840
'cause if you think about it, we
have more. 

792
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,680
We have more incarcerated per 
capita than any country in the 

793
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,120
entire world. 
And so since the 1980s, our 

794
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,760
prison system have filled 56%. 
Fuck. 

795
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,320
Or it's no, no, no, it it jumped
from what was it? 

796
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,000
I don't remember the numbers. 
Went please do know that these 

797
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,960
numbers can be skewed 'cause we 
have cannabis. 

798
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,680
The numbers were astronomical. 
It jumped from like I think it 

799
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,080
was like 40,000 pre 80s to like 
some astronomical number and it 

800
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,800
was like, so you're telling me 
that the amount of criminal 

801
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:36,200
people has jumped that much in 
10 years like but then you look 

802
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,440
at it and that's where the data 
was. 

803
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,520
The 56% was the amount of people
in prison for cannabis. 

804
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,720
So the amount like, so you're 
looking at it going cool. 

805
00:41:44,720 --> 00:41:47,880
Well our numbers have jumped 
astronomical but how many of 

806
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,640
those people are in just for 
cannabis? 

807
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,320
Well, if it's 56%, that's over 
half the people in prison are 

808
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:58,480
there just for cannabis. 
And this was FBI statistic, like

809
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,920
this was pulled from FBI data. 
Such bullshit. 

810
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,440
And it's like, OK, so you're 
telling me that our nation, 

811
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,600
who's the freest country who has
all this shit? 

812
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,080
You really just So what is it? 
Your school system, your 

813
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,680
religious system, your parenting
structure system? 

814
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,680
What is it that raises fucktards
then? 

815
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,520
Because that's what you're 
telling us we all are. 

816
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,560
A lot of it, it just, I again, 
it's just that perpetual fear 

817
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,640
and then there's money being 
made from that fear and you know

818
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,880
it. 
It doesn't necessarily come from

819
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,600
this idea that we've got to make
a lot of money. 

820
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,280
It's we got to control these 
people. 

821
00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:34,000
And the more that you have a 
substance such as cannabis into 

822
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,320
your system, maybe you're going 
to question a little more. 

823
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,480
That goes back to, like, 
Napoleon, why he didn't want his

824
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:40,360
troops hanging out with the 
Egyptian troops. 

825
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:41,680
Yeah, 'cause they were smoking 
cannabis. 

826
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,240
And they're just like, they 
didn't want to do. 

827
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:45,360
We don't want to. 
We don't want to go kill these 

828
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,040
people like. 
We don't want to do any of this 

829
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:48,280
shit. 
Yeah, exactly. 

830
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:49,800
Like, what are we doing with our
lives? 

831
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,760
It it really slows things down 
to that perspective where you 

832
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,640
can go look I I need to I need 
to take a step back. 

833
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:59,400
So when looking at these like 
the way it moves and this is 

834
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,640
just a belief I have and again 
you know take these things with 

835
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,400
you know this is a perspective 
of of ours. 

836
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,840
You know Brandon has his 
perspective of my perspective. 

837
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,360
You have your perspective and 
and that's ultimately why it's 

838
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,520
where it's at. 
It's perspective that you're 

839
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,520
able to start seeing states 
legalize. 

840
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,880
After that, it's perspective of 
that state going OK, it's the 

841
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,440
perspective of the church that I
belong to. 

842
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,080
Finally they said you know what,
we can't decide this because 

843
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:27,160
everybody wants it. 
So we have to take a step aside.

844
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,680
Even though they didn't want to,
they did it anyways and it's 

845
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:34,440
because of it's because of the 
majority. 

846
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,880
It's because of people of us, 
the more of us that demand it to

847
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,240
ask for it. 
If you put up, I mean, how many 

848
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:45,400
times has this bill gone up 
since 2016, which one to get 

849
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,240
legalized here in Utah. 
And it was like, I have no idea.

850
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:52,920
It was constant, like it was a, 
it was a, it was out of my city.

851
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,840
It was the representative, a 
congressman or the senator for 

852
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,920
this state, the state, US, the. 
The one you lived before or no? 

853
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:08,400
The one where I live now in 
Saratoga, like it, they they 

854
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,040
tried to pass it and they got 
shut down. 

855
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,560
He tried to pass it again, it 
got shut down. 

856
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,800
That's when Vickers came in and 
then that because he was able to

857
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:19,280
negotiate some deal with with 
that side and to get them to be 

858
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,600
OK with it. 
I mean ultimately if it wasn't 

859
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:25,360
able to pass it was because of a
larger entity in the state. 60% 

860
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,640
of Utahans are LDS. 
So it's it goes the same with 

861
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:34,840
every state like what is the 
ideology there and if if the 

862
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,120
majority, if it's state like 
Utah, that's why I love where 

863
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:42,200
we're at, is if state like Utah 
can get get legalized. 

864
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,880
You guys can too. 
Why can't Idaho? 

865
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,760
That why can't Texas? 
Yeah, that's what's boggled my 

866
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,480
mind. 
My ex has always asked me. 

867
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,640
She's like, oh, you should move 
to Texas, 'cause you're 'cause 

868
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,160
she'll move all around the 
country. 

869
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,720
And I'd say cool, I could chase 
you everywhere you go. 

870
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:01,120
That sounds like. 
Fucking touring band, yeah. 

871
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:02,400
Oh, groupies. 
Heck. 

872
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,720
But you know, where is it legal?
But yeah, and she's like, well, 

873
00:45:05,720 --> 00:45:07,600
you should move to Texas. 
And I'm like, there's still 

874
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,360
massive legality issues with 
cannabis in Texas. 

875
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,320
And I was like, it's surprising 
because I feel like you guys 

876
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,840
aren't as ignorant as people 
here, but yet you're proving 

877
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,440
otherwise, so. 
Well, it's and again, it's just 

878
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,600
the perception. 
I mean it is in the Bible Belt 

879
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,920
and the perception is that God 
says this is bad, but no worries

880
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,280
show. 
Me in your Bible because it 

881
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,120
shows me, and according to the 
Bible that the plants and that 

882
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,640
from the earth or from God, and 
that's designed for you. 

883
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,800
So tell me, which part of that 
tells you that God didn't create

884
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,640
that for you, if that's what you
believe? 

885
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,560
And that's perception versus 
perspective. 

886
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,120
Because the perception is 
whatever they create, it's the 

887
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,680
same people that think that 
dinosaurs weren't real, right? 

888
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,000
And they go, but we have bones 
and they go, yeah, those are 

889
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,240
fake. 
Who put them there? 

890
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:51,160
Satan did Aliens. 
You lost me there. 

891
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,640
Like, I believe aliens help 
build megalithic structures 

892
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,320
before I believe that. 
Well, but that seems more 

893
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,800
realistic when you look at how 
they're designed and built and 

894
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,680
not. 
And we can't replicate shit to 

895
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,440
this day. 
So you're like, so OK, cool. 

896
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,720
That's where I I'm like, you 
know what? 

897
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:10,400
You wanna be able to have this. 
You want it legal in your state.

898
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,040
You got to start getting it out 
there. 

899
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,680
Even in Germany, like, they 
tried to go full legalization, 

900
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,120
but because it's part of the EU,
they couldn't. 

901
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,960
So they gave them another 
alternative and they were able 

902
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,360
to grow their own plants over 
there. 

903
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,520
Like, you got Rico over there, 
right? 

904
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:24,760
Rico, you listening to this, 
bro? 

905
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,800
Thanks for the e-mail. 
But it's cool to hear about 

906
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:29,600
that. 
Like they were able to change it

907
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:30,880
and the reason why they're able 
to change it. 

908
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,280
They were following what the US 
did everywhere did that they 

909
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:38,080
started to make it criminal, 
like even in Southeast Asia. 

910
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,480
Yeah, it wasn't criminalized. 
And it's like, all right, cool. 

911
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,080
Well, the Americans did it, so 
let's follow suit. 

912
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,640
And I'm sorry for you guys who 
followed suit 'cause now you 

913
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:49,280
guys are stuck with us and it's 
just. 

914
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,000
But you mean, I understand that 
after World War 2? 

915
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,480
I mean, dude, that's when we 
came up. 

916
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,360
That's. 
But it was like, whoa, these 

917
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,960
guys are here. 
And it was super easy to fall in

918
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:02,440
line with whatever Americans 
like we should like to. 

919
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:08,720
And unfortunately you had these 
very superstitious, very fear 

920
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:12,440
based individuals. 
And then they just came out of. 

921
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,120
But it was, it was it was their 
a product of their upbringing. 

922
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,960
And that's what makes me happy 
about the younger generations, 

923
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,680
because they're learning more 
about this dude. 

924
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,240
When my kids are adult, I think 
that's when it's gonna be 

925
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:28,120
completely legalized. 
I think you're gonna be able to 

926
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,800
find. 
This I hope before then, but it 

927
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,520
I it also wouldn't surprise me 
if it took a long time because 

928
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,600
of how many people are still in 
in seats. 

929
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,600
Exactly. 
I mean, it's up to, I mean it's 

930
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,800
like us, dude. 
You know what if if we became 

931
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,240
senators one day, if we became 
congressman one day, then we're 

932
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:47,280
able to push that, right? 
I'm, I'm not suggesting that and

933
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,760
I wanna step right in that tool.
But it it it, I'd said tool. 

934
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:57,000
I was thinking pool cannabis, 
but it's exactly that, dude. 

935
00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:00,360
It just we start seeing these 
younger people start demanding 

936
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:00,920
it. 
That's what. 

937
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,480
That's what moved it here, man. 
But that's what I wonder is 

938
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,000
like, OK, where you're at? 
And it's not just the demanding.

939
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,440
It's also the education side. 
I think it's what's changing is 

940
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:15,960
like when people like my parents
here have used cannabis. 

941
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,840
When you start seeing, 'cause I 
feel like my parents are pretty 

942
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,000
dogmatic, like conservative 
people. 

943
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,560
Extremely conservative, yeah. 
And I love them to death. 

944
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,680
They are my parents like that's 
who they are. 

945
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,640
And but I look at it and I go, 
OK, well how many other mindsets

946
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,960
like that are out there but how 
long did it take And and 

947
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,120
honestly like I don't know what 
that driving factor like how you

948
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,920
have that conversation for 
someone who's it's their 

949
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,160
perception cause they've seen 
the data they've seen whatever 

950
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,280
and they're like well I don't 
still you know how how do you 

951
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:52,360
change that to actually affect 
change in that moment because I 

952
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,560
mean you can't force anyone to 
have a different mindset. 

953
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,360
I think a lot of it has to come 
with your attitude with it. 

954
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,640
So if if you know we're we're 
really open with everybody we 

955
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,560
meet and there's not one person 
I won't talk to about cannabis. 

956
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:11,200
And I want them to break that 
stereotype that I'm just a loser

957
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,320
or like the perceptions that 
before because, you know, I'm 

958
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,000
half Hispanic, so I'm naturally 
drawn to it because that's what 

959
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,160
my ancestors liked, you know, 
'cause we're a bunch of 

960
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,360
deviants. 
Like that's the perception to 

961
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,960
them is it's like, Oh well, 
you're, you know, it's like the 

962
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,600
joke around we talk about like, 
it's OK, I have a podcast, so 

963
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:30,040
the people just. 
Let you do whatever. 

964
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,160
Yeah, that's cool. 
I have a podcast. 

965
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,320
But again, that is another thing
that makes us a little bit more 

966
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,680
unique on that side because we 
can say that like, yeah, I talk 

967
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:44,600
about this every week. 
Every week I talk about this and

968
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,520
the reason why It's not because 
I'm making money from it. 

969
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,800
You're making money from it. 
We're not making money from 

970
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,560
this. 
Let's just not let anybody get 

971
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,000
twisted. 
You're at this point, they're 

972
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,400
like, they're probably high 
rollers. 

973
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:55,960
Look at our cars. 
Look at these. 

974
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:57,880
Fucking Crocs. 
Yeah, dude, he's. 

975
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,720
He's Crocs. 
But you think about it like, you

976
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:05,560
know, when we start opening up 
like these conversations that 

977
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,200
we've been having for years and 
that everybody else has been 

978
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,520
along for four years now. 
Yeah. 

979
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,640
We we know that the more you're 
able to talk about this openly 

980
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:19,080
and the more you stop giving a 
shit about what other people 

981
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,640
think about what you're doing 
and matter of fact, making it 

982
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,920
more just mainstream, that's how
you get people interested. 

983
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,680
It's normalizing. 
Yeah, I I get people interested 

984
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,040
there who are involved in the 
church. 

985
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,560
I am so open about it. 
My neighbor, who is the nicest 

986
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,400
guy in the world, he's like, I 
would like to listen to that 

987
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,600
sometime and I'm like, I don't 
think you would like that. 

988
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:39,880
And he goes, why not? 
I said. 

989
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,480
It's explicit. 
Well, it's like I'm sort. 

990
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:46,440
Of the neighbor, the neighbor 
next door, he is, I guess, 

991
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,760
seventies, 70 years old. 
He is a temple worker. 

992
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,760
So for people who don't know 
what that is, that's in the LDS 

993
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,520
religion. 
That's like someone who I feel 

994
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,160
like is really spiritual. 
They spend a lot of time 

995
00:50:57,240 --> 00:50:59,760
invested in the religion, not 
because it's required, but 

996
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,240
because. 
Because they have a passion for.

997
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:04,120
It and a love like they feel 
like they're out helping doing 

998
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,400
good for their church and that's
that's good for them. 

999
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:09,600
And that's what he does with his
time. 

1000
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:16,240
However he's also been a medical
cannabis consumer in Utah for a 

1001
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:21,960
decade for cancer like and so he
has this understanding and just 

1002
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:27,000
but but I see him as like this 
old nice kind like soft not this

1003
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:28,920
person that I would see 
listening to the show. 

1004
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,320
Yet he tunes in, he listens to 
our show and he's like, hey, I 

1005
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,680
caught the episode I really 
liked and and I was like. 

1006
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:36,680
You know what? 
There you go. 

1007
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,320
But it speaks to me because I'm 
like, ah, and I think about it 

1008
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,000
sometimes, 'cause I'll say a 
curse word and I'm like, oh man,

1009
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,360
like, I hope I didn't turn 
someone. 

1010
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,520
Off like. 
It is, but like it's the it's 

1011
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,320
because the message and the 
impact that it could have and 

1012
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,760
the understanding is like, it's 
so immense of the value that it 

1013
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,760
could have on maybe not their 
life, but their family member's 

1014
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,360
life or their friend's life. 
If they're not going to choose 

1015
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,800
to use it, that's OK That's up 
to them, like. 

1016
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:08,120
But I think that everyone 
should, everyone should try and 

1017
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,480
try different types. 
Maybe it's CBDCBDCBNCB? 

1018
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,840
Like there's all these different
ways to. 

1019
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,080
Get involved. 
Yeah, and find value in 

1020
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,560
improving your quality of life. 
You don't have to get high. 

1021
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,880
Well, and that's the thing too. 
I I I want them to be. 

1022
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,560
Oh yeah, You know, I love that 
experience. 

1023
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,160
I I do. 
I absolutely love the experience

1024
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:29,920
and that's why it's really, 
really difficult. 

1025
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,840
That's why I got more passionate
about it earlier, because I'm, 

1026
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,880
I'm like, you know, I've been 
really pondering this, Brandon, 

1027
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,280
before we had this episode of 
just like why do I think it's 

1028
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,040
illegal? 
Why do I think it's illegal? 

1029
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,360
Not necessarily the evidence 
it's shown to me. 

1030
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,640
See, I haven't looked into why I
feel like me because as a 

1031
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,200
person, why I was thinking. 
This is a high moment for me 

1032
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,080
because I was really like, you 
know, when we brought that up? 

1033
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:54,760
Or like, this would be a great 
topic. 

1034
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,240
And because our Peach audience, 
yeah, our audience, it's just 

1035
00:52:58,240 --> 00:52:59,640
like, hey, can you talk about 
this? 

1036
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,080
And it's like, oh, that's such a
good one. 

1037
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:04,560
And we really haven't dived into
it, but we've dived into it. 

1038
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:06,560
The proof, 'cause it's really 
easy to be able to shovel. 

1039
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,280
This is historically right in a 
lineage. 

1040
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,000
This is what we know. 
This is why it is the way it is.

1041
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,360
And before that, it was just 
like nobody cared. 

1042
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,880
It was just there. 
It was just a plant. 

1043
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,560
It was just medicine. 
Right. 

1044
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:21,720
You're just like, Oh yeah, we 
take that. 

1045
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:23,560
I've never. 
Heard of any crusades going 

1046
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,800
after like cannabis in the 
history before? 

1047
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,400
Just like, oh, we gotta take it 
down like, you know like the the

1048
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,800
Spartans are like, yeah, we 
gotta fight against this this 

1049
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,440
whole scourge of. 
This plant that makes. 

1050
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,160
People feel calm, like it 
really. 

1051
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,200
That's the part that I started 
to think about. 

1052
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,040
I'm like it it. 
The biggest reason is because 

1053
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,880
you think it's bad and that's 
why. 

1054
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,840
And and enough of you fuckers 
hadn't thinking it's bad makes 

1055
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,160
it bad and it compounds. 
It becomes true like, you know, 

1056
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,680
Bruce Lee, I for me was more of 
a philosopher than a martial 

1057
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,960
artist, 'cause his thoughts were
deeper than it. 

1058
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,120
But you know, he said, you know,
when you have an idea and it's a

1059
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,760
good idea, it starts out great 
and then the idea becomes, you 

1060
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,880
know, gospel, and then gospel 
becomes the doctrine truth, and 

1061
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,080
then it becomes dogma. 
And when it reaches dogma level,

1062
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,680
you have to have this massive, 
just like all those people have 

1063
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,600
to die. 
It's like if you want this Earth

1064
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,480
to be back to the way it was, 
pray for an asteroid. 

1065
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,120
Yeah, a global reset. 
Yeah, 100 reset everything and 

1066
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:31,480
you won't have to worry about 
it. 

1067
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,760
And hundreds if not thousands of
years into the future then it 

1068
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,440
will resemble somewhat of 
society that looks like this 

1069
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,960
now, like it it it, you think 
it's just like, no, we'll get 

1070
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:44,920
back in a couple months. 
Good luck. 

1071
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,400
It's generations upon 
generations, right? 

1072
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,480
There was this TV show, it's 
called like the third body 

1073
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:55,000
System, and it goes into, it's 
fucking interesting, you'd like 

1074
00:54:55,000 --> 00:55:01,200
it, but it goes into like this 
entity or other civilization 

1075
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,520
that is out in space somewhere. 
They live on this other planet, 

1076
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,880
and then that planet there's 
three different Suns, and so 

1077
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,400
gravitational pulls are 
different. 

1078
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,280
Heat is different at certain 
moments, like, so every time 

1079
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:19,160
there's a cataclysm on this 
planet, it basically wipes 

1080
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:23,600
humanity to square one again, 
starting over. 

1081
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,480
And so they're finally, they've 
gone through so many iterations 

1082
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:29,880
of this over time, and they're 
like struggled, and finally they

1083
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,120
got off their planet, They're 
heading through space to try and

1084
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:38,600
come to us, but they don't 
understand so much, and they see

1085
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,760
even just a story. 
A story was written and they 

1086
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,360
understood the story to be a lie
'cause it wasn't true. 

1087
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,360
Yeah. 
Why do you lie? 

1088
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,560
And it's all this basis But then
it was like incredible just to 

1089
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,600
like think of that third bodied 
system. 

1090
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:57,440
This is definitely high canvas 
talk. 

1091
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,280
This is good. 
Keep going 'cause this act I'm. 

1092
00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:00,680
I'm I'm yeah. 
Keep going. 

1093
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,720
It's just really interesting to.
See, because they go into, like,

1094
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:08,320
every time it reset, it took, 
you're like, Oh yeah, we'd get 

1095
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,520
back to here by this time. 
No, it took forever to get back 

1096
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,160
to this stage and then to get to
that stage, 'cause they're like,

1097
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,360
well, how long did it take you 
to get from caveman to, like, 

1098
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:19,680
farming? 
OK. 

1099
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,160
It was hundreds of thousands of 
years. 

1100
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,160
OK, well, how long take you get 
from farming to this stage? 

1101
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,480
Well, it was 40,000 years. 
OK Well, how long did it take 

1102
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,960
you to get from computer age to 
this? 

1103
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,920
50 years. 
OK well, how long did it take 

1104
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:34,320
you to get from here to here? 
And it was like, so in the 400 

1105
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,040
years of lightspeed that it 
takes for us to get from where 

1106
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,520
we're at to you, we haven't, 
we're not going to be developing

1107
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,920
any new technology. 
You are going to be continuing 

1108
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:48,080
to be developing technologies 
over these 400 years. 

1109
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,800
So while we're traveling, when 
we arrive to you, well, before 

1110
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,400
when we headed, we thought it 
was safe, but now we don't trust

1111
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,640
you, 'cause you lie. 
What other things do you do 

1112
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,120
like, you like? 
So they look at it and they're 

1113
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:03,040
like, oh man, that's like, it 
was just really incredible. 

1114
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,560
But that whole thing of, like, 
how long would it take 

1115
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,560
civilization to come back after 
a major, like, cataclysm? 

1116
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,840
And that's the thing you think. 
About the cataclysm, and you put

1117
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,040
it into the context of what 
we're talking about right now, 

1118
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,760
you have to have a massive 
reset. 

1119
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,920
You would. 
That's why term limits are 

1120
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,840
terrifying to these individuals,
because it's not the money they 

1121
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:24,840
make. 
What would they do? 

1122
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,200
But it's the power they control 
or the perception of power, 

1123
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:30,920
because it's the same thing as 
the value of a dollar. 

1124
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,120
Because I say it's this value 
and you say it's valuable, then 

1125
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:35,920
it is so. 
So it is. 

1126
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,200
Make believe the entire time we 
just play make believe with each

1127
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,000
other. 
Gotta love this Fiat system 

1128
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,680
based on nothing. 
Fun, right? 

1129
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,920
I mean, we're literally you. 
Create something out of nothing.

1130
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,280
It's literally Monopoly. 
That's why money isn't. 

1131
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,080
Real to me, it's. 
Not real. 

1132
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,360
It's just it's a fictitious 
thing and so it's like whatever 

1133
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,600
you want some we could find ways
to get it. 

1134
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,400
It's there, it's it's real in 
some sense. 

1135
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,520
So it's the same thing like when
we talk about the the changing 

1136
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,520
the idea of cannabis in the laws
of perspective, you need to have

1137
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,080
a demand. 
It was proven in our state and I

1138
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,400
say that fervently. 
It was proven in a very 

1139
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,960
conservative state. 
That's against any type of 

1140
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,960
different progression that 
unless what it's been told to 

1141
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,680
them, we have the lowest alcohol
drinking. 

1142
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:24,280
In the entire USI saw a thing on
that yesterday and I was like, 

1143
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,600
but it it goes into it. 
It's like because we have really

1144
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,840
and we have really strict 
alcohol laws, which honestly, 

1145
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:34,880
like I get for people who drink 
it can be obnoxious, but I don't

1146
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,200
drink as much anymore and I 
don't. 

1147
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,560
But The thing is that those who 
consume. 

1148
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:39,760
A. 
Consume a good amount of 

1149
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,800
cannabis usually find themselves
drifting away from alcohol, so 

1150
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:48,440
why wouldn't a state that thinks
things are bad be able to do 

1151
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,560
something that could actually 
promote less use of and? 

1152
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,680
And if you're a if you like a 
spirit, you like your beer, 

1153
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,240
cool. 
If you're driving around being 

1154
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:02,000
stupid, fuck, I care. 
Are you beating anybody on this?

1155
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,440
Like can you get upset on 
cannabis? 

1156
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,520
Absolutely you can. 
But you're not gonna be like way

1157
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:08,520
more level headed, way more. 
And you're gonna. 

1158
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:09,600
Think about you're gonna go 
back. 

1159
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,400
And fix what you said, 'cause 
sometimes you say stupid shit. 

1160
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:16,480
Yeah, way faster to go. 
Hey, I really am sorry. 

1161
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:18,720
Instead of being drunk and doing
something really. 

1162
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,280
Stupid or saying something that 
you really can't take back. 

1163
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,960
Maybe it was seated in your 
subconscious, maybe you think 

1164
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:25,440
about it, but you never talk 
about it. 

1165
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:27,280
But it's like you will 
apologize. 

1166
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,600
Like it's interesting, 'cause 
it's you address it like way 

1167
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,480
quicker versus like alcohol. 
It's like it never happened. 

1168
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,440
You're just like fuck it, I 
don't have that and then you 

1169
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,240
just right. 
But the the the idea. 

1170
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,160
That what I The perception from 
these individuals is not 

1171
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,640
necessarily bad is that they're 
trying to protect us in one way 

1172
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,880
or another and they're trying to
make this decision from a 

1173
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,520
parental idea of well, that's 
bad for you. 

1174
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,960
But it's the same thing like I 
told you about with what the 

1175
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:56,040
health right where they're 
talking about eggs being just as

1176
00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:02,840
carcinogenic as cigarettes like 
what oh are you one's a protein 

1177
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,480
enriched with cholesterol that's
good for your actually burning 

1178
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:07,840
and inhaling into your lungs. 
I'm. 

1179
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,560
Not sure how those and it turns 
into other food. 

1180
01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:12,720
That you already eat. 
Like what? 

1181
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,240
This is a double food. 
This is awesome. 

1182
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,000
This is a double whopper. 
Where they got that correlation 

1183
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,680
from, right? 
And so that's the same thing. 

1184
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:24,800
I think it's this very weird 
perception that was it was 

1185
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:28,240
propagated by an individual long
time ago. 

1186
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:32,000
We have moved past that. 
I mean, you think about with 

1187
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:36,200
even when when you talk about 
social, social, political 

1188
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,320
things, you know everything from
the environment to sexuality, 

1189
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,680
like there's a lot of different 
perspectives. 

1190
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,680
Are everyone right? 
No. 

1191
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,160
Is everyone need to be right? 
No, we all feel we do. 

1192
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:48,960
Yeah, we we all want to be right
in. 

1193
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:50,080
One way or. 
Another right. 

1194
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,120
It needs to go based off of what
we feel. 

1195
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,720
And I don't agree with one 
individual who has an old 

1196
01:00:55,720 --> 01:01:00,280
perspective to continue to 
influence why I and you and 

1197
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:04,720
everybody else who's listening 
don't get that right to just use

1198
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,760
it because it makes me feel 
better. 

1199
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,320
And if if that's the case, 
think, cool, change your mind. 

1200
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,280
But I want to see more of them. 
Like, you know what? 

1201
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,680
If you think it's so bad, you 
need to try it. 

1202
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,400
I think. 
And this is. 

1203
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,640
Maybe just my observation from a
lot of like the political things

1204
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:26,200
I've seen is every Everything 
that I've watched is just even 

1205
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,320
in like Congress, even in the 
House. 

1206
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,880
It's all argumentative. 
There's no like. 

1207
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,400
There's no like, yeah, no 
discussion, no like. 

1208
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,240
Hey, I just want. 
To have a conversation with you 

1209
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,080
so I can help you understand 
where I'm coming from. 

1210
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:42,320
I want you to understand that 
this data and like it's always 

1211
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:48,680
from defensive, frustrated, like
either hurt or angry or scared 

1212
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:50,480
or whatever. 
Like I feel like there's always 

1213
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,560
this emotion around it instead 
of just like I want to help you 

1214
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,760
understand. 
That's it they. 

1215
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:58,560
They should all have like a. 
Seltzer. 

1216
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,720
Infused So when you're able to, 
and you have the 

1217
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,760
responsibilities as a 
responsible cannabis user to be 

1218
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,880
able to go look, my the 
perception of how cannabis is 

1219
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:13,000
perceived is on me, is on. 
If I'm giving this perception of

1220
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,840
a cannabis. 
User How am I coming off and how

1221
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,960
is how am I giving this light of
cannabis? 

1222
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,240
Well, I want this plant to be 
legalized. 

1223
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,520
I want this to be approved. 
Well, if I'm showing up to you 

1224
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,760
and I'm ignorant, I'm 
argumentative. 

1225
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,320
I'm what? 
Well, what does that teach you? 

1226
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:32,000
That cannabis consumers are, 
Yeah, that they're they're hard 

1227
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,200
to. 
Deal with and they're not. 

1228
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,000
They're really not. 
It's. 

1229
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:39,680
It definitely lowers down a lot 
of these walls that are built 

1230
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,680
up. 
You talk about racism, sexism, 

1231
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:47,400
you know, whatever. 
Any ISM, literally you're able 

1232
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,920
to really get this out of the 
way where you can have hard 

1233
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:56,160
discussions or difficult, 
difficult conversations with 

1234
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,160
cannabis and actually navigate 
them a lot better. 

1235
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,120
And even to the point where you 
know you're going off on a 

1236
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,880
tangent, which we may not when 
we're really angry and we're not

1237
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,200
using 'cause if I go off on a 
tangent, it's a high thought 

1238
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,720
usually, and then when it's. 
Disregarded and we go what was? 

1239
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:13,560
I talking about again, you're 
going to get rid of the 

1240
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,840
bullshit. 
Like if I'm really favorite and 

1241
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,160
very passionate about something,
I can talk for hours about it on

1242
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,120
cannabis. 
Yeah, high the entire time. 

1243
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,440
Oh yeah, because it's like, so 
there. 

1244
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,360
And yeah, you know so much about
it. 

1245
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,800
It's but your brain when you're 
using cannabis it. 

1246
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,360
Starts to get rid of that 
bullshit. 

1247
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,840
So if anything, you know, while 
you're listening to this podcast

1248
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,880
and then, and I know we're 
talking about legalization, but 

1249
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:39,440
this is a very important part. 
It is our job as cannabis user 

1250
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,640
to be able to change that 
perspective for others. 

1251
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:47,280
If you're a good person, you're 
a loving individual, you're a 

1252
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,640
good parent, you're great at 
your job, you're great at 

1253
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,120
building businesses and serving 
other people. 

1254
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:56,360
Like if that's the case and 
you're doing that, be open about

1255
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,240
it. 
We need more people being open 

1256
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,320
about it instead of hiding in 
their closet. 

1257
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:02,080
Yeah. 
Being a closeted cannabis 

1258
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:03,560
consumer. 
Because guess what? 

1259
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:07,720
It's not 19. 30s anymore that 
brick has not involved anymore. 

1260
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,960
Well and you found value in it 
so why are you hiding? 

1261
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,400
That from everyone else. 
Maybe it's friends, family 

1262
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,400
members, Co workers. 
Like if you own a company, who 

1263
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,320
the hell cares what is? 
Like you said, it's not 1920s. 

1264
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,680
Like this is a way more 
progressive mindset. 

1265
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,120
We have education at our 
fingertips. 

1266
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:28,000
Technology is right here. 
Like you can Google something 

1267
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:32,600
and find answers in a second. 
There's no no necessary reason 

1268
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:36,080
at this point to be ignorant. 
We can choose to educate 

1269
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:37,200
ourselves. 
And if it's having that 

1270
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,880
discussion or going like, hey, I
just want to show you this, like

1271
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,960
everything is right here. 
Yeah, it's all and it's all very

1272
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,200
normal. 
It it just, it is an enhancer of

1273
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,240
your life. 
You know, the way that media has

1274
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,640
portrayed cannabis consumers is 
always stupid and ignorant. 

1275
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:56,600
And it's funny because it was 
illegal, so it was taboo. 

1276
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:58,480
So it was funny. 
Oh, for sure. 

1277
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,600
And those who used it. 
Thought it was funny because you

1278
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,720
can see the moments of like, oh,
this, this is your brain on 

1279
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:05,760
drugs. 
This is your brain on this. 

1280
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,400
And you're like, no, but I 
remember the moment that I 

1281
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:12,040
really got sunk in the couch and
was like, yeah, exactly. 

1282
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,440
It wasn't, actually. 
I was fried or like. 

1283
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,440
Couldn't function or like all 
these things that you're like, 

1284
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,760
OK, you're like, no, it was just
I was really high. 

1285
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,000
Well, and even then, like, you 
know, you get. 

1286
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,400
Rid of a lot of the bullshit in 
your head of who you are and 

1287
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:26,960
what you are and what you should
be. 

1288
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,360
Ego death. 
Yeah, huge on. 

1289
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,320
On cannabis. 
On continuous. 

1290
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,280
Use ego. 
Death really is a thing. 

1291
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,440
You eliminate your ego. 
So I know we've gone off on many

1292
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,400
tangents here, but it's all good
convo because you gotta think 

1293
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,400
about the you gotta start having
these conversations with other 

1294
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:43,960
people. 
You need to start having these 

1295
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,120
conversations with your family 
members if you're they're having

1296
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,480
a hard time. 
Your, your boyfriend, 

1297
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:53,120
girlfriend, your friends, your 
even your, if you have a faith, 

1298
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,800
your church, 'cause some of them
are not for it. 

1299
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:57,840
Some of them totally are totally
for it. 

1300
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,760
They're like, yeah, go ahead do 
do you You do you. 

1301
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:03,960
But at the same time, we need to
keep it normal. 

1302
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:08,280
It doesn't need to have barriers
of political values, religious 

1303
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:13,680
values, social values, it's all 
for everybody. 

1304
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:17,000
And you wouldn't regulate 
somebody telling you can't have 

1305
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,240
Hostess, right? 
I wouldn't tell you. 

1306
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:24,200
You can't buy a Twinkie. 
It's your choice or that too. 

1307
01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:28,120
Or even as a medicine, if they 
have medical value, who's 100% 

1308
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,440
going? 
You can't go buy vitamin C you 

1309
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,040
can't buy B12, you can't go buy 
aspirin. 

1310
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,360
Like, who is actually regulating
that going? 

1311
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,960
You can't do that. 
Why is there a restriction 

1312
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:39,440
around that? 
Yeah, I mean, even thinking 

1313
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:40,760
about that, what you bring up 
like. 

1314
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,160
You know, would cannabis hurt 
their industry? 

1315
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,880
I think a little bit. 
But yeah, you know, for an older

1316
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,360
generation, I think so. 
I just think they would come 

1317
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:50,440
into the. 
Industry. 

1318
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,680
So then it's just, and this is 
what I always don't understand 

1319
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,760
with those people who lobby on 
either side of that, there's 

1320
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:59,600
room in the industry. 
Yeah, totally. 

1321
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,840
There's room for new products 
because it's been illegal for 

1322
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:06,640
100 years, meaning that there's 
been most of our crazy cool 

1323
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:08,280
developments have been in the 
last 100 years. 

1324
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:11,440
So you're looking at that going,
OK, well, what crazy cool 

1325
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,880
developments could cannabis 
spring if we actually open the 

1326
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,960
doors, if we allowed all of the 
mines to work on it and look at 

1327
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:20,640
it instead of going, how many 
medicines would be developed 

1328
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:21,480
right now? 
Yes. 

1329
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,400
How many people could be helped?
How many people would be helped?

1330
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:29,000
And then the quality of life of 
everyone exponentially gets 

1331
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:30,400
better. 
Goes, Yeah, higher. 

1332
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,840
And so you're like, OK. 
Not just that, but every person 

1333
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,160
they interact with. 
And then it's like, OK, well, 

1334
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:37,440
it's the thing of like passing 
on good. 

1335
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,120
When you pass on good, it keeps 
going. 

1336
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,720
But if you're in a good mood 
because you're utilizing and 

1337
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,040
your quality of life is better, 
well, you're always going to be 

1338
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:48,640
passing on more good 100%. 
Like so it it just I don't 

1339
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,600
understand where. 
It's been this like fear based 

1340
01:07:51,600 --> 01:07:55,000
thing when if you open the 
doors, like right now we've had 

1341
01:07:55,960 --> 01:07:58,400
even studies. 
We can't fully study cannabis in

1342
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:02,040
the US to its full basis because
the regulations restrict it to 

1343
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,520
like really minimal amounts 
which aren't actually sold on 

1344
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,160
the market anywhere. 
They've probably done more 

1345
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:12,520
medical tests. 
Openly on So the thing that I 

1346
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,040
was reading and this was 
actually. 

1347
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,640
Kind of frustrating and I don't 
remember which program it is, 

1348
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:19,479
but they are actually what they 
fund it for. 

1349
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:23,279
And the studies is they only 
study the negative aspects of 

1350
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:24,880
cannabis. 
They don't actually study the 

1351
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,880
positives, the medical benefits,
any of that. 

1352
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,240
And I'm like, well, that's 
really detrimental to claiming, 

1353
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,439
like, to even finding out if 
it's a medicine because you 

1354
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,399
already have medical patents and
all this stuff. 

1355
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:38,600
So it is medicine, but you're 
not allowing the data to catch 

1356
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,880
up in the places that you say it
needs to happen. 

1357
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,479
So then open your doors for your
scientists at least to allow 

1358
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:48,600
them to study the products that 
are even being sold across the 

1359
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,000
board in your own country. 
Like, how are you? 

1360
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,240
It's basically going, we're 
gonna test oranges to see what 

1361
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:56,439
apples gives us. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1362
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:57,680
Cool. 
Well, who cares? 

1363
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:01,960
What apples gives you? 
You have oranges, yeah, it's 

1364
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,120
it's the and. 
It that's where I I don't 

1365
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:06,439
understand it. 
That's why. 

1366
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,040
I That's why I think that and 
that's why. 

1367
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,319
I keep going back on that. 
That's why I think it's it's 

1368
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:14,479
just the perception. 
It is a it's been seen as bad 

1369
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,840
and it will continue to be bad 
for that reason alone. 

1370
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:20,240
Not for money, not for, you 
know, control. 

1371
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:23,240
It's just like just like you 
said, like if it was in 

1372
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,800
vitamins, like where we could 
give vitamins and certain 

1373
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:29,359
things, how many products would 
be developed now if it wasn't 

1374
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:33,399
illegal back then? 
Supposedly over six, like over. 

1375
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:36,720
50% of Americans want 
legalization of America, of 

1376
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:38,080
cannabis. 
So what? 

1377
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:42,120
What do you think that breaking 
point percentage of American 

1378
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,840
support that it needs to 
actually get the senators in the

1379
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,359
House and that to finally listen
to all of the American citizens 

1380
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:53,760
who have been asking for this, 
you know, going, hey, we see 

1381
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,760
this value. 
We have all of these states that

1382
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:59,040
have this medical value. 
What is that percentage of 

1383
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:03,440
people that it's finally like, 
OK, wait, we are supposed to 

1384
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:05,400
actually be in seats supporting 
people? 

1385
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:09,440
So at what point are we actually
doing our agenda, someone else's

1386
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:12,280
agenda and not listening to the 
people 'cause right now, 

1387
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:17,720
statistically, I feel like at 
that point, over 50% means that 

1388
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,800
they're not listening. 
No, they're not listening in it 

1389
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,000
and. 
The other side too, again, I 

1390
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:27,040
just fucking that horse is dead.
Stop it, Jesse. 

1391
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,000
But term limits. 
Term limits. 

1392
01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:33,400
Because if they're it, it, I 
don't even think it's not the 

1393
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,560
money, dude. 
Like, why would you leave 

1394
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:39,160
something where everybody and 
you get to a certain position? 

1395
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:41,760
Like I said about Orrin Hatch, 
he may have been a really good 

1396
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,200
gentleman and he must have. 
Maybe he may have been a really 

1397
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:49,080
good dad or grandpa or whatever,
But as far as a lawmaker, he was

1398
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:52,560
detrimental to the progression 
in that of Utah. 

1399
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:56,760
Absolutely, absolutely and. 
And there are many that will 

1400
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,880
agree with me on that. 
But The thing is, is it was 

1401
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:02,880
because of his perception and 
the reasons why it continued to 

1402
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:04,800
be that way. 
Did we? 

1403
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:08,880
If and because he was in office 
for so long, Decades. 

1404
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,920
It's like we have Joe by. 
Joe Biden's been in political 

1405
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,960
politics for over 30 years. 
Like it's insane. 

1406
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,280
Which is crazy 'cause you think 
about it, that means. 

1407
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:21,680
He was in his like, 60s then. 
Like, how was he functioning and

1408
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,040
thinking this year than that 
dude, that guy's been in like 

1409
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:25,680
40? 
I don't know how long he's been 

1410
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,280
in Forever, dude. 
Forever. 

1411
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,000
I mean, I could even say he's 
gone back into the 70s, about 

1412
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,760
100% term limits it has. 
To be put in place too long. 

1413
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:36,280
If you're too long in there, 
you're. 

1414
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:39,320
Not obsessed with what's right. 
You're obsessed with what I 

1415
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:43,680
think, and that's a bad thing. 
Well, and if you're basing any 

1416
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,160
any. 
Of your decisions based on what 

1417
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:51,240
you feel versus like the data 
and all of your constituents 

1418
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,480
underneath you and what they're 
asking, well, you're not doing 

1419
01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:56,160
what they're asking you. 
Shouldn't be in that? 

1420
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,480
Seat even then. 
Like, it's saying that, right? 

1421
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:00,200
What's? 
More powerful, what you know or 

1422
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,600
what you feel. 
It's always what you feel you 

1423
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:04,320
will. 
You will always side with what 

1424
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,600
you feel. 
So one of the things in order 

1425
01:12:06,600 --> 01:12:09,960
for them to get there is being 
able to make it where the data 

1426
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:12,000
helps them feel. 
And that's where I think if you 

1427
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,280
want to be against cannabis, 
then you need to try cannabis, 

1428
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,560
right? 
If heroin and cocaine are 

1429
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:22,840
scheduled two, yeah, then in. 
Cannabis. 

1430
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:28,400
Is not where you can reverse the
effects almost immediately, even

1431
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,720
on onset. 
You can't do that with the other

1432
01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:32,080
ones. 
You have to get introduce some 

1433
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:37,160
hardcore fucking chemicals. 
Narcan is not a very nice drug. 

1434
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:41,120
It is a it's it's a potent drug 
to take you from near death. 

1435
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:45,400
It's basically adrenaline and 
you're just shoving that in your

1436
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,560
nose and to be able to wake him 
up, 'cause that's what's getting

1437
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,160
him up. 
And so it's like OK. 

1438
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:54,360
Well, you're willing. 
To do that, but you're not 

1439
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:59,440
willing to look at a plant that 
worst case scenario and we've 

1440
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:03,000
had no deaths from. 
Has there been? 

1441
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:04,920
Things have been. 
Related to it, yeah, if you had 

1442
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,520
heart problems and you 
introduced that one, you could 

1443
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,160
have got that from drinking too 
much fucking coffee or like the 

1444
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,040
Delta 8 derived ones like there 
have. 

1445
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:16,120
Been but there's no actual like 
real cannabis based death of 

1446
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:19,200
like they died from cannabis. 
No. 

1447
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,080
It takes me back to junior high.
Remember the? 

1448
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,400
Halloween, they had like these 
tombstones and stuff and one of 

1449
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:28,760
them said died of of marijuana 
overdose. 

1450
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,840
And this teacher you could he 
was a hippie dude. 

1451
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:34,760
He's like, that can't happen. 
And it walked away. 

1452
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,160
We were just like what it was 
like in 7th grade. 

1453
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,120
It was funny as shit. 
But no, it is that. 

1454
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:45,720
It's these we gotta if if you're
wanting to make this very 

1455
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,880
harmless substance, I'm not 
gonna call it a drug anymore. 

1456
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:53,400
Harmless substance that we have 
plentifully on this planet. 

1457
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:57,240
You want to make it illegal 
because you say it's bad for 

1458
01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,760
people, yet so many people use 
it for good reasons? 

1459
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,040
Then you need to try it. 
Try CBD and I want you to show 

1460
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:04,200
me where you're pulling that 
data. 

1461
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:06,560
From I would love to see where 
you're pulling the information 

1462
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,000
showing that it's bad and 
harmful. 

1463
01:14:08,440 --> 01:14:10,080
There are. 
I mean, we're not going to say 

1464
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:11,320
there's. 
Not bad things to it. 

1465
01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:13,440
Putting flame to it, it is a 
carcinogen. 

1466
01:14:13,480 --> 01:14:15,600
Yeah, you can get carcinogens, 
but like it's. 

1467
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:19,840
Been proven if you stop smoking 
joints or that the long term and

1468
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,240
bronchial effects on your lungs 
goes away. 

1469
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,600
That doesn't happen with tobacco
or anything else. 

1470
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:26,600
So Nope, it's not cancer 
forming. 

1471
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:29,320
Yep. 
So you're like, OK, cool, so. 

1472
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:32,320
It depends on maybe your 
particular method of consumption

1473
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:36,560
for that and there are way more.
Opportunities and and and 

1474
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,960
products these days that grant 
you that one. 

1475
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:43,720
So if you have the perception 
this is bad, I challenge you. 

1476
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,760
I mean, I guarantee there's no 
congressman or senator, But 

1477
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:48,760
maybe you are 'cause you're 
hanging out, you're in the back,

1478
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,960
you're in the garage, you're 
lighting up, going my favorite 

1479
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,600
podcast. 
We can hope. 

1480
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,560
And if so. 
Hit us up, We'd love to have you

1481
01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:56,440
on the show. 
Have a chat? 

1482
01:14:56,520 --> 01:14:57,680
Totally. 
If you're if. 

1483
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,480
If you're a politician. 
And you're for it or you're 

1484
01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:02,080
against it. 
Let's talk. 

1485
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:03,480
I think it'd be an interesting 
convo. 

1486
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:04,880
It would be an. 
Interesting convo. 

1487
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,960
I would definitely have. 
To be very medicated for that 

1488
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,440
one, it's why we're doing what 
we're doing right now that makes

1489
01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:13,000
a difference. 
The reason why is we're getting 

1490
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,920
more people to be able to be 
open and talk about it and 

1491
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:18,480
that's and that's that's so 
awesome. 

1492
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:22,520
Even those who who who message 
us saying I don't use cannabis 

1493
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,600
anymore, but I love listening to
your show like it's true. 

1494
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,000
That's cool. 
It's huge. 

1495
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:28,480
Because it's like it. 
Shows the. 

1496
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:31,760
Impact of what it truly is doing
and how many people are those 

1497
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:34,720
people having conversations 
with, educating them because 

1498
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:38,200
it's maybe you know, a ton. 
About cannabis. 

1499
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,160
Maybe you know everything we've 
told you. 

1500
01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:43,840
Maybe there's one thing that you
didn't, and maybe that one thing

1501
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:45,520
is something you can share with 
someone else. 

1502
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:50,240
Yeah, so do so. 
Like and comment down below. 

1503
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:55,640
Fill out fill out like. 
You know the little comment 

1504
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,280
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We love listening to your 

1505
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:00,000
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It's it's awesome. 

1506
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:02,480
Drop us a voicemail. 
We've got a lot of those too. 

1507
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:05,960
Those ones are fun. 
You can always actually. 

1508
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:08,480
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1509
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:11,080
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1510
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:13,560
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Or for all our Patreon 

1511
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:17,720
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1512
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:19,800
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1513
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:21,600
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