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Welcome to Cannabis School. 
I'm your host, Jesse Angelus. 

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And I'm Brandon Elder, and we're
here to talk to you about 

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everything pertaining to 
cannabis from bait flower 

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edibles, strains, and everything
in between. 

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Hey everybody, we are excited. 
Yeah, we are thrilled, Joyed. 

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Super fucking excited we are. 
Yeah, we'll see right there. 

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There's like neon lights. 
Keep you. 

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But no, we're we're really we. 
We get a chance every once in a 

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while to be. 
Excited, we're very micro 

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excited, not not micro excited 
like it's cold outside. 

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Micro excited right. 
It's it's more light of where. 

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Like it's always micro, even 
when it's not cold. 

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Is that is your mom tell you 
everything. 

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Yeah. 
So you know we don't get to talk

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about when we get to do a 101, 
we have probably that's by far 

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the hardest type of show to be 
able to create. 

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Yeah. 
I think our 10 ones, we try and 

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make sure that there are a lot 
more intentional and designed. 

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Yeah. 
And I mean, not to say that the 

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strains aren't intentional by 
design, but it's a little bit 

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more free flowing. 
We review the strain, but when 

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we talk about a one-on-one, we 
want to make sure that it's 

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going to be something that we 
not only feel we practiced 

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ourselves, but we wish others 
would practice. 

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And that's today's topic is 
microdosing. 

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Yeah, microdosing. 
THC and shit. 

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We're going to talk about 
microdosing. 

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Psilocybin as well, Yeah, 
absolutely. 

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Both of them. 
Very medicinal and thinking 

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about microdosing. 
Very intentional. 

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It has to be, but it's also a 
very kind way to bring somebody 

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into cannabis or. 
Psilocybin, yeah exactly because

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it's not the full blown effect, 
it's very mild. 

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So focusing on THC right we we 
got, we're working with the 

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company that specifically 
focuses on micro dosing and it's

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it's it's really nice on the 
sense because it's it's easier 

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to talk about that to talk about
THC micro dosing and then levels

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of micro dosing so. 
Let's talk about why even micro 

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dosing though. 
Because THC cannabis 

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specifically in high dose has 
the opposite effect often as it 

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does in a low dose or a micro 
dose, correct? 

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So often those people who get 
anxious, stressed, whatever, 

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from cannabis, they're not 
dosing it like. 

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Maybe it's just the dose. 
I think it is is the dose where 

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like we enjoy flour. 
We always say flour first. 

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That's my favorite. 
But there's multiple reasons 

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why. 
So you can microdose with flour 

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very easily. 
Yeah, it's taking minute about 

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where you could do one hit worth
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start. 
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intimidating because of the 
culture of smoking and how it is

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wreaked havoc on Americans and 
people all over the world, that 

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it wasn't going to affect you. 
It's the whole thing of like 

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smoking is bad. 
And even the right the 

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perception, a lot of people 
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someone who's smoking. 
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connotation of somebody who 
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They're dirty to disgusting. 
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It was like my daughter, she saw
me smoking my happy camper while

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we were camping. 
So I was a happy camper because 

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I was smoking my happy camper. 
But when I was smoking that, my 

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daughter came over and told me 
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bad for you. 
So we went through that whole 

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conversation back and forth of 
being able to understand, yes, 

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I'm not going to lie, yes, this 
there's a burning plant in here 

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and it it will affect me. 
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your lungs is not the best, 
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I mean, most of us who live 
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large cities, we have to deal 
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Utah is not a great place when 
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Horrible air quality. 
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at in Utah. 
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higher elevations, it's a. 
Oh, you get out in the mountains

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outside, dude. 
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You don't. 
You've never smelled air so 

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clay. 
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It's delicious, but in the 
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Oh, it's just pure garbage. 
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good year. 
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smog as previous years. 
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Winter was the worst used to be,
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of it, it was really nice, 
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I think we had more snow than 
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helps. 
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Yeah, random tangent, yeah. 
But when when we're talking 

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about being able to use cannabis
in those micro doses with with 

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flour, I would almost be, you'd 
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who knows what they're doing on 
that yes, because you can't just

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roll up a pin joint and say here
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Well then you wouldn't like. 
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know what is a lot, yeah. 
And it's hard to dose if you 

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have no idea what a dose is. 
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your own with a new product that
you have no clue what to do, it 

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can be kind of scary well and 
people can think of it almost as

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CBD. 
When you get into CBD, there are

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measurements to be able to take 
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We tried that, that one product,
that CBD product and even though

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that it was really good, it was 
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It was very medicinal and I am. 
An organic ground, not for the 

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flavor, no, but for definitely 
not for the flavor medicine. 

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Yeah, but it's it's going right 
onto that point. 

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It's if you're treating it like 
medicine it will be medicine and

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and that's let let's talk about 
the micro dosing that I feel is 

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really pertinent to be able to 
understand in in from a personal

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from from my aspect from your 
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We talk about depression right. 
Just because you read about a 

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strain saying this is great for 
depression and you are very new 

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to cannabis. 
The wrong thing to do is go out 

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there and buy yourself a bag 
full of indica edibles and 

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thinking that that's going to 
help or sativa edibles because 

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somebody told you sativa is a 
great way to get rid of 

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depression. 
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There are so many different 
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terping. 
Profiles. 

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Profiles. 
Really, totally change the 

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experience. 
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different type of terping 
profiles in different 

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geographical locations. 
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Michael Dobson with THC, the 
idea of going to an edible has 

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always been very upsetting to me
because unless you have done it 

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yourself, and even then, that's 
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And in dosing by any means is 
not like pinpoint accuracy, but 

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it's pretty damn close. 
You can get, but the like it's 

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hard because you still have to 
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like right, Even over 
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percentage? 
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like you'll get ones that test 
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like well, and it's an 
investment too because if you 

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think about it, there's not 
really a whole lot of options in

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any type of dispensary that's 
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and then you will have 
advertisers for certain cannabis

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brands that will not bring up 
their name that I don't agree 

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with on how they're being able 
to proposition edibles to 

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everyday people. 
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derive D9. 
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same 100% and that is going to 
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it's going to be 5 times 
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When they digest it. 
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And so that's irresponsible. 
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advertisement going, hey, 
smoking a little harsh on your 

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lungs. 
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Because I eat these edibles that
fuck me up, right. 

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That's what's going to happen. 
And that's not a very safe 

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microdose. 
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It needs to be mild. 
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So that's what scares people 
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leaving it completely. 
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edibles are terrible because of 
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That dose of like, OK, 1 
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stronger is 5 milligrams if 
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Yeah, you don't think about that
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milligrams if you're digesting 
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So if you're having that, OK, 
maybe your dose is really small,

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but like. 25 milligrams. 
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If someone's going, hey, I took 
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that's supposed to be a dose, 
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This is my first time, right? 
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Now that's five times stronger. 
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that you just ingested. 
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about? 
I thought about that video you 

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did when I took 250 milligrams 
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Yeah. 
And if you did the math on that,

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right? 
But that's like 2500. 

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It's not. 
It's not, but it's not bad. 

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But I'm I'm saying for many 
people though, for you who are a

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little bit more experienced, 
right, because you have certain 

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physical circumstances that are 
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None of them have to do with 
erectile dysfunction. 

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Just clearing that up. 
Not at the moment. 

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Just clearing that up. 
Maybe me. 

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Not him anyways, my old ass. 
But you know when? 

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When you've got all of those 
things going on within your 

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nervous system and your CB2, 
that's hard because your body 

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needs a lot of of stimulant 
outside to be able to take away 

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from that pain. 
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of it, right? 
I mean, you think about people 

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who are suffering from the. 
I don't know what the fuck you 

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got going on with. 
You called fibromyalgia, right? 

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Oh. 
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So bad for them. 
It's just an autoimmune disease 

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that has no name. 
It's just like we don't know 

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what the fuck it is, so. 
What's this now? 

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Best of luck. 
Yeah, good luck. 

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But hope you can smoke some 
weed, right? 

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And that's exactly what it gets 
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But when you're getting into it,
say you just recently were 

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diagnosed with fibromyalgia, the
worst thing to do would be to go

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consume an edible that you have 
no idea of the strain and that's

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what the experience or the 
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And that's the other thing. 
That's why I think of micro 

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dosing Products are a great 
entry to be able to help those 

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who are one. 
They don't want to smoke it, but

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they definitely want to eat it 
and and it's not a shameless 

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plug like I like this product 
for that reason. 

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Would I consider this to be an 
everyday product for a more 

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experienced user? 
No, but it's great to have on 

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hand which one is discreet with 
the Chill tablets. 

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So let me throw in my 2 cents on
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OK, because even as a. 
Heavy medicinal user. 

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I still use the Chill tablets 
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decent. 
It's it's a nice. 

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For the THC, because that's 2 
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THC per tablet per tablet. 
But it's got like tons more 

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cannabinoids in there than that.
I know. 

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So you're not going to have that
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I do. 
I feel really relaxed. 

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Yeah, I feel the other 
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Yes, I don't kill the THC 
because it's such a mild. 

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Dose for you. 
Yeah, for me, my dose. 

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I already have so much more in 
me that 2 milligrams isn't 

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touching me. 
But the Cannabino, the other 

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cannabinoids is what I feel. 
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So even as a daily heavy user, I
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chill tablets that it's like if 
I'm feeling a little tense or 

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just like. 
I need to take the edge off. 

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I just pop one of those. 
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And it's one of the great things
about it as well is I I like the

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consistency of feel and that. 
But I think about myself if I 

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was starting out not like that 
we we we've talked about so many

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times like when we were was like
my first real smoke sesh. 

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Yeah, right. 
And it's like I had way too 

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much. 
And then the buddy that you had 

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here, he was like, oh, you got 
to try this. 

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You got to do this. 
You got to do this. 

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And it was just like, whoa, 
that's too much. 

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And I am told no, I'm good 
because I am like, I can't even,

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like, focus on anything other 
than this. 

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Like freaking. 
Tiny tube of light, yeah. 

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It's just like what is going on?
But being slowly introduced to 

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cannabis, there are people that 
are going to be a little bit 

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more apprehensive about it 
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part. 
Yeah, we've already talked about

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edible part. 
It takes a long ass time. 

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So the best way to do it if 
you're getting new into 

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cannabis, but I think these 
discrete tablets are fantastic. 

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So my grandma that I made 
edibles 4 years ago, yeah, yeah,

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she started getting head pain 
again. 

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And yeah, and she asked for 
cannabis because in the past it 

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was. 
Up to fentanyl. 

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She tried every single thing and
it was even fentanyl and it 

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wasn't working. 
And that just makes my skin 

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crawl. 
Yeah, it just, it's horrible. 

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So now when this came back, she 
instead of going to the doctor 

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was like, hey, can I get 
cannabis stuff for that? 

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But it's bad enough that she's 
actually asking for something, 

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because she that's going to be a
lot of pain. 

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Yeah, she usually just lives 
with it like she's from that 

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generation of. 
Yeah, we don't take anything. 

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We don't need anything. 
I'm not bad. 

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Like so, yeah, The live in the 
live in pain. 

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Yeah, they exist in pain. 
Their existence will be 

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miserable before they will take 
something. 

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I'm like, I don't. 
I don't understand that because 

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I live with chronic pain every 
single day and I can't imagine 

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going. 
No, I'm not going to do anything

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about it. 
I'd rather just stay where I'm 

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at, yeah. 
Like. 

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I get surgery can be terrifying 
for some things and some aren't.

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Like they said, my back was 
inoperable at the time. 

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So for that, it's something that
I can understand there being a 

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fear of. 
But why? 

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Why hate yourself that much to 
put yourself in that type of 

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pain? 
I think the stigma too with it 

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is that pain meds are a typical 
go to right away, right? 

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Because that's what was pushed 
for a really long time now. 

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We know the average effects. 
We know that people still get 

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addicted to it. 
I mean, the numbers have 

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dropped, but it's still pretty 
high comparatively speaking. 

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And it's it's harder to get 
where you have a natural 

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painkiller in cannabis and 
that's no lie. 

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That's not, you know, somebody 
trying to, if you're sharing 

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this with somebody who just 
goes, yeah, whatever, you know, 

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cannabis, that's not going to be
able to help me. 

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Well, it's good to start out in 
micro doses because then now you

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can like these tablets, right? 
Like I've I've given them to 

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family members and my my 
sisterinlaw has. 

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She's had a very rough life. 
Let's just say that she's had a 

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very rough life. 
Two kids from two different 

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dads. 
Both. 

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In a second, I had to think. 
And I'm like, Oh yeah, yeah. 

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And it's just tragic. 
It's very tragic because it's 

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where that and she just suffers 
with this like pain of feeling 

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like an elephant's on her chest 
and got to. 

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Be a lot of stress. 
Oh yeah. 

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And and she's had like she's 
gotten, she's been able to get 

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like the like syrups, the THC 
syrup that you can put into like

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water or something like that, 
like water soluble but more on 

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the flavor side. 
It's not something you would put

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in a drink, it's something that 
you would just shoot. 

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Oh, weird. 
Yeah. 

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And it's it's OK, but it's 
inconsistent for her because 

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it's more THC focused and so she
like every once in a while just 

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take it and she's like, I feel 
good, fuck the world, I don't 

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care. 
Just depends on her mood. 

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Everything else is going on. 
What's going on with her 

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exactly? 
And it's too much like she can't

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just do that in the middle of 
the day because she doesn't know

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how her body's going to feel. 
But I gave her these and she was

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able to feel like there wasn't 
an elephant sitting on her 

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chest. 
She just felt like, that's huge.

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Ohh, could you imagine? 
And it was really hard for her 

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because she didn't want to get, 
you know, messed up in the 

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middle of the day. 
That's the reason why micro dose

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is so much better for those who 
are getting into it slowly. 

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Even then like because my wife 
is the same way she micro dose 

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but now she she can enjoy 
cannabis just like I can. 

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Do you really want to get messed
up during the day? 

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I don't. 
I don't want to get messed up 

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anytime. 
Yeah, I don't have a desire to 

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get, like, messed up. 
And even during the day, there's

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times that I'm like, man, I 
wonder what it would be like to.

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Feel some of the highs that I 
did when I first started but 

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then I'm like, but why? 
Because I can still take an 

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edible or go puff on a pen and 
go wander an Art Museum and 

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enjoy feel it. 
I can still enjoy the same 

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experience. 
I don't have to be crazy high, 

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but I also don't have like, it's
ridiculous for me to go take 800

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milligrams, I feel like. 
And go to an art gallery. 

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Yeah, I I I totally get. 
And it is. 

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It's different. 
I remember like when you got me 

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those disposable pens from 
Colorado, whenever you would go 

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up and I would puff on those and
I would be like out of my mind 

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trying to mow my lawn. 
My lawn wasn't big lawn, but it 

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would take Me 2 1/2 hours to mow
my yard because that's wild. 

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I was just having a good time. 
I but I wasn't the thing. 

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If I look back at it, I would 
have more appreciated being able

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to slowly get into it, to 
appreciate what I'm feeling. 

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And that's why and and I won't. 
I won't keep being this dead 

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horse. 
If anybody thinks we're just 

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trying to pitch him because it 
we really enjoy them because of 

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that. 
Reason alone is that it's a 

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consistent feeling. 
It's small, it's not large and 

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it doesn't last long, but it 
kicks him pretty quickly. 

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It's around about 20 minutes 
like Max, but I can feel it 

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within 10. 
That's another struggle with 

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edibles is it takes so long to 
kick in, and even if you're even

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if you're trying to microdose 
and you're giving someone a 

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small piece of an edible okay, 
maybe it was two hours and they 

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still didn't feel anything. 
My first time was like 2 1/2 or 

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three hours. 
I didn't feel it. 

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I took two more. 
And then it all kicked in later 

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and I was like, holy fuck yeah, 
I'm high. 

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Well, and that's that. 
Talking about that, like when 

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you when you get those feelings 
from an edible, it's you're not 

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dosing it, OK? 
You can't tell me you're going 

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to rip apart unless that thing 
was a perfectly made square, 

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right? 
That was 100% like evenly 

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distributed, Yes. 
Molds. 

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Because they're never that way. 
Never. 

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They're never, they're shapes 
and they're never the same. 

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Like, we'll take nerd rope. 
OK. 

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The nerd rope ones, right. 
They're 500 milligrams for a 

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nerd rope. 
Yeah. 

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You're not going to dose that 
properly. 

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You're not. 
Well, and it's, it's going to be

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500 milligrams for the entire 
rope, right. 

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But what side got more? 
Because that's not going to be. 

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Exactly. 
And it's that's the problem. 

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So it's like any other edible. 
You have moments or pieces of 

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it. 
If you were to break it up, 

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you're like, OK, this piece, I 
hardly felt anything. 

362
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This piece I felt a lot. 
This piece, I didn't feel 

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anything at all. 
Like there's so much 

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inconsistency. 
I feel like if you were to break

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that up, because usually from 
one small section to the next, 

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they're not 100% the same like 
molecular breakdown. 

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No, not at all. 
And any just go into it. 

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What? 
What do they do constantly when 

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they're manufacturing these 
things? 

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They're looking for fun ways to 
be able to go, hey, it's not, 

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it's not plain Jane. 
But again, I don't need my 

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medicine. 
To be candy. 

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And I have to You reminded me of
that today when I tried the CBD 

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products that we we tried 
earlier and we'll do a review on

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it later on. 
But it it wasn't my favorite 

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taste. 
No, but when you talked about 

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being medicine. 
My medicine doesn't need to 

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taste good. 
If we think back to old times. 

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Medicine, even medicine. 
Now my aspirin doesn't taste 

380
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good. 
My Tylenol doesn't taste good. 

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Yeah, but you can get candy 
coated. 

382
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You can't. 
But then it's just coated with 

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something else. 
Yeah, and it's not the actual 

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medicine. 
The medicine tastes like shit. 

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It will. 
Let's talk about, I mean, just 

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even burning the plant, right? 
Yeah, there are flavors that we 

387
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can taste, but that's more for 
an experienced user. 

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And I will say the happy camper 
really helps. 

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Yeah, because it has that like 
the filter. 

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And that filter makes a big 
difference. 

391
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Huge difference in the flavor of
it. 

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Well, and it it just makes it. 
I don't know. 

393
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It's just a clean way to dry, 
herb, yeah. 

394
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It's the cleanest way to dry 
herb and and that may even go 

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for vaporizers like some 
vaporizers. 

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Don't already be able to pull 
that out so you don't get the 

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same carcinogens because you're 
not actually burning it. 

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When you don't activate the Fame
2 flour, you don't have the same

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carcinogens. 
Because you're baking, you're 

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baking it, yeah. 
So usually you're not activating

401
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that. 
That's well, unless you can like

402
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like the mighty Plus you can 
nuke it. 

403
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You can turn it up pretty high. 
Yeah, you're getting up to 400. 

404
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Ohh, mine does that too. 
On my your doctor solo too. 

405
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Ohh yeah, your solo too. 
My doctor Dabber. 

406
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My I honestly, I've used that 
for flour once and I was like 

407
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man, just to try it. 
And I'm like, I like any of my 

408
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other vaporizers for flour 
better. 

409
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So I just I prefer that one for 
concentrates and it's great for 

410
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that but. 
Yeah, no. 

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And and another thing like on 
man, you just made me think of 

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it. 
Like, that's one of the reasons 

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why I really like Teen Cheers. 
Because yes, the whole bottle, 

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you can, you can get that going.
But if you are stepping up your 

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micro dosing game, it's where 
you can go from drop. 

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Yeah, and that's how I've gotten
my dad, my mom and my girlfriend

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all hooked is all just with 
drops. 

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It's all drops because it's like
I can dose you down to the point

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that you're not going to get 
high, right? 

420
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And you can get the experience 
of no stress, no infection, no 

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pain or sleep, whatever it is 
that you're needing, just 

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depending on dose. 
Well, and the experience is 

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going to be different from when 
you smoke it. 

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So when you talk about micro 
dosing with smoking cannabis, a 

425
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really good one is to use a 
vaporizer. 

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I feel because it's it's a 
smaller bowl like take the Pax 

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Three that I used to love, I 
used to love love it. 

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It's such a tiny bowl you don't 
need and you can get like the 

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cap over there when you put it 
down. 

430
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It'll make it even smaller, like
it's smaller than the just doing

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a half bowl in that and it's a 
great experience if that's what 

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you want. 
And when you talk about 

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vaporizing, that should be 
talked about with microdosing, 

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not going flame to flour because
it's a lot more difficult unless

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you know your dose well. 
Because let's say that for the 

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first time you're actually going
and you don't have a joint. 

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Or even if you do, the problem 
is, if you've never smoked 

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before, you're probably going to
inhale too much, Too little. 

439
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Or not at all. 
Not at all. 

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It'll go into your mouth and not
your lungs. 

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Like there's all of these things
that you don't realize and you 

442
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might not even feel. 
And you're going to go to it and

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go, man, that experience wasn't 
anything what I hoped it would 

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be. 
And that's what's going to push 

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people away from it. 
Yeah. 

446
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And they they don't like the 
experience. 

447
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And what do you typically hear 
and the horror stories. 

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00:24:36,930 --> 00:24:40,370
And when they don't microdose or
they get way too high because 

449
00:24:40,370 --> 00:24:44,050
it's even with taking a hit. 
OK, well I didn't know, so I lit

450
00:24:44,050 --> 00:24:47,050
the whole bowl and I just took 
like, I just kept pulling. 

451
00:24:47,050 --> 00:24:48,170
How much flour was it? 
Yeah. 

452
00:24:48,450 --> 00:24:51,050
How much did you hit? 
Like, how big was your hit? 

453
00:24:51,050 --> 00:24:55,770
How much did you inhale? 
And so it's it's so nice to have

454
00:24:56,570 --> 00:25:00,420
a friend or someone there to go,
hey, go low, go slow. 

455
00:25:00,420 --> 00:25:02,980
No, that that's a big hit, all 
right. 

456
00:25:03,820 --> 00:25:08,220
Shit, I yeah, even the hit that 
I just that's another thing to 

457
00:25:08,220 --> 00:25:13,540
talking about that because you 
can lessen the effects of your 

458
00:25:13,540 --> 00:25:16,300
THC. 
So we did a review before this, 

459
00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:18,540
right? 
And I took the CBD after and it 

460
00:25:18,540 --> 00:25:21,540
was that very strong tasting 
CBD. 

461
00:25:21,540 --> 00:25:24,820
It was very potent. 
Within minutes, yeah, I felt a 

462
00:25:24,820 --> 00:25:28,990
dramatic change in how I felt. 
And by the time we got minutes, 

463
00:25:29,030 --> 00:25:30,910
3 minutes, I'd say, yeah, two 
or. 3 minutes. 

464
00:25:30,910 --> 00:25:33,390
I mean, it kicked in. 
It was fast. 

465
00:25:33,390 --> 00:25:36,630
That was super fast. 
That is by far the strongest CBD

466
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:39,950
I've ever tried. 
Really I 100% because I'm more 

467
00:25:39,950 --> 00:25:42,910
sensitive to it only because I 
don't use AS stronger that I've 

468
00:25:42,910 --> 00:25:47,150
had is one that Derek made once 
and all Like oh, I would believe

469
00:25:47,150 --> 00:25:49,790
that, but aside from that. 
Derek's Wizard. 

470
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:52,150
Yes, I'm a sorcerer. 
Yeah, he can. 

471
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:56,070
Aside from that, this I think is
the next strongest stuff that 

472
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:58,770
I've had. 
Yeah, I I really, I've enjoyed 

473
00:25:58,770 --> 00:26:01,450
the experience on it. 
I didn't enjoy the first part, 

474
00:26:01,450 --> 00:26:02,770
but again, it goes nugging 
ahead. 

475
00:26:02,970 --> 00:26:07,650
It's medicine not and a treat. 
They have capsules, so you can 

476
00:26:07,650 --> 00:26:10,610
just take the capsule. 
I think microdosing is 

477
00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:16,290
definitely the best way to get 
into cannabis or yeah, you know,

478
00:26:16,290 --> 00:26:23,610
so it's if you do it properly. 
And that's what I was going to 

479
00:26:23,610 --> 00:26:25,610
do. 
Mine went off on a random 

480
00:26:25,610 --> 00:26:28,160
tangent. 
So back to my grandma getting 

481
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:33,520
into cannabis. 
I gave her the capsules from 

482
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,440
this CBD company and then I gave
her discreet jail tablets 

483
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,080
because if I can help her with 
only a micro dose, I don't have 

484
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,240
to make her macro doses. 
Yeah. 

485
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,600
So I'm hoping that those will 
help and that I don't have to, 

486
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,720
you know? 
Well, that's a great thing too, 

487
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,720
because say your system, maybe 
you've been an individual that's

488
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,520
just like these swore off 
cannabis because some event 

489
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,320
happened, or, you know, somebody
was telling them that they were 

490
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,440
getting too paranoid or they're 
being too weird, or you had bad 

491
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,680
experience. 
Yeah, you had a really bad 

492
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,880
experience. 
Like my brother terrified of 

493
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,240
edibles. 
I can't even bring him up. 

494
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,600
Has he tried to discreet tablet?
Oh, there's no way he won't 

495
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,860
touch it. 
He is terrified even though it's

496
00:27:17,860 --> 00:27:21,780
like 2 milligrams and then most 
of it's can like other cannabis.

497
00:27:21,820 --> 00:27:23,180
Oh, I'm going to get him to try 
it. 

498
00:27:23,460 --> 00:27:26,900
The thing for him though, it's 
that overdosing. 

499
00:27:26,980 --> 00:27:29,300
Yeah, on. 
And that's again, that's what 

500
00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:31,340
you need to be thinking about. 
If you wouldn't eat, you said it

501
00:27:31,340 --> 00:27:34,580
before, you would need a whole 
bottle full of Tylenol with you.

502
00:27:34,980 --> 00:27:36,900
It's just like any other 
medication. 

503
00:27:36,900 --> 00:27:39,140
Yep, you don't take a whole 
bottle of Tylenol. 

504
00:27:39,180 --> 00:27:41,020
You know exactly what dose works
for you. 

505
00:27:41,020 --> 00:27:42,460
Some people are like, I need 
half a tablet. 

506
00:27:42,540 --> 00:27:44,700
They have the recommended dose 
on the back, right? 

507
00:27:44,980 --> 00:27:47,940
Average like person takes 2 
tablets and you're like, OK, 

508
00:27:47,940 --> 00:27:50,260
cool, right? 
That's what Advil or whatever 

509
00:27:50,260 --> 00:27:54,100
says, And so they say. 11 Tablet
but one dose to any of that 

510
00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:56,660
stuff in forever. 
Well, I still, I I I don't 

511
00:27:56,660 --> 00:28:00,940
frequent it as much but I 
understand that CBD. 

512
00:28:00,940 --> 00:28:03,920
I would take that CBD every day 
I have. 

513
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,360
Without a doubt, I would take 
that every day. 

514
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:13,880
And the reason why is because of
the dose is the correct dose. 

515
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:19,000
And that's exactly when you talk
about cannabis and microdosing. 

516
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,320
You need to gradually go into 
it. 

517
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,680
You can't just go in except for 
with CBD. 

518
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:29,630
Yeah, I feel like if you micro 
dose a CBD, no, no, you are 

519
00:28:29,630 --> 00:28:31,670
actually just probably wasting 
your money. 

520
00:28:31,870 --> 00:28:34,590
Well and I'm I wasn't and 
insinuating that you should 

521
00:28:34,590 --> 00:28:37,110
micro dose it that but there's a
yeah correct dose. 

522
00:28:37,110 --> 00:28:38,710
Yeah. 
Yeah, you know there is a bare 

523
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:42,630
minimum dose that you can start 
out with, but CBD would be like,

524
00:28:42,630 --> 00:28:45,510
dude, don't consume too much 
lettuce, OK? 

525
00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:49,630
Because it could be bad for you.
So I read, I didn't read and go 

526
00:28:49,630 --> 00:28:53,230
research anymore to see what 
bases are backing. 

527
00:28:53,230 --> 00:28:56,390
There was behind it, but there 
was something that said that up 

528
00:28:56,390 --> 00:28:59,190
to like 1500 milligrams a day of
CBD is fine. 

529
00:28:59,190 --> 00:29:01,950
Well, again, I'm pretty sure 
I've done more than that in a 

530
00:29:01,950 --> 00:29:06,550
day. 
So yeah, but. 

531
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:09,510
I could see if it's 
psychoactive, you know, I mean, 

532
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:12,430
if you went through a whole 
because it's pretty easy to go 

533
00:29:12,430 --> 00:29:15,870
through a CBD teacher compared 
to a THC teacher. 

534
00:29:16,030 --> 00:29:20,830
Well, you think about it, even 
if you're 3% or you know, they 

535
00:29:20,830 --> 00:29:23,430
have something because there's a
lot that they're like, hey, this

536
00:29:23,430 --> 00:29:26,270
is this many milligrams and 
you're like, OK, even if you had

537
00:29:26,510 --> 00:29:31,670
1500 milligrams of CBT in a day,
maybe that person might still 

538
00:29:31,670 --> 00:29:36,350
feel high because even if it's 
full spectrum, what is the total

539
00:29:36,790 --> 00:29:40,470
cannabinoid of THC or every 
other one in there? 

540
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:44,190
Yeah, you know. 
Well, and I I agree. 

541
00:29:44,190 --> 00:29:45,350
I agree. 
And that's why. 

542
00:29:45,670 --> 00:29:47,310
That's why I've really enjoyed 
the. 

543
00:29:48,150 --> 00:29:54,150
Just being able to experience 
discreet and give it to others 

544
00:29:54,190 --> 00:29:57,910
and knowing that it's legal, 
it's yeah, something you can buy

545
00:29:57,910 --> 00:29:59,510
in line. 
Cool, because they should 

546
00:29:59,510 --> 00:30:01,630
literally all 50 states. 
Yep. 

547
00:30:01,910 --> 00:30:04,750
So it's fantastic. 
And it's they they've gone 

548
00:30:04,750 --> 00:30:07,110
through recent price changes, 
which is way cool. 

549
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:10,910
They've gone through a complete 
brand change of what their focus

550
00:30:10,910 --> 00:30:12,710
is and they're hitting the right
mark. 

551
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:18,580
True, because before so little 
Quickside tangent, we liked 

552
00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:22,860
Discretes products and then they
were one of these companies that

553
00:30:23,060 --> 00:30:26,540
in Utah liked to be an MLM and 
we're not into that. 

554
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:28,820
No. 
And they decided that, you know,

555
00:30:28,820 --> 00:30:32,460
hey, they weren't into that. 
So we decided to have a 

556
00:30:32,460 --> 00:30:35,900
conversation because we like 
their products, but we just 

557
00:30:35,900 --> 00:30:38,180
don't like Mlm's. 
We we've been sitting on this 

558
00:30:38,180 --> 00:30:40,100
product for probably half a 
year. 

559
00:30:40,610 --> 00:30:42,410
If not longer, yeah, actually 
longer. 

560
00:30:42,530 --> 00:30:43,690
Definitely longer. 
Yeah. 

561
00:30:43,690 --> 00:30:46,570
It's about a year we've been 
sitting on this product because 

562
00:30:46,570 --> 00:30:50,650
of that reason alone and we had 
worked with a previous company 

563
00:30:50,650 --> 00:30:53,650
that was doing the same thing. 
We don't like it. 

564
00:30:53,690 --> 00:30:55,490
We just didn't. 
We couldn't do it anymore 

565
00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:59,890
because of that reason alone. 
We just didn't see that that 

566
00:30:59,890 --> 00:31:02,850
makes more sense to you guys 
because I like these micro 

567
00:31:02,850 --> 00:31:05,250
doses. 
Yeah, they also have. 

568
00:31:05,610 --> 00:31:07,730
This is not microdosing, but 
they have these. 

569
00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:10,210
I've been trying them out these 
sleep tablets. 

570
00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:12,010
Oh yeah, you took two last 
night. 

571
00:31:12,050 --> 00:31:18,250
Yeah, I don't know. 
I don't never sleep good, so I'm

572
00:31:18,250 --> 00:31:21,890
not really sure. 
It has a lot of melatonin and 

573
00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:25,730
ltheanine, so I woke up feeling 
tired this morning. 

574
00:31:26,090 --> 00:31:29,730
A little groggy, yeah. 
And that's the time that you 

575
00:31:29,730 --> 00:31:31,850
take it out, but that's nice. 
And they also have. 

576
00:31:32,430 --> 00:31:35,310
A relaxed 1, which is even a 
micro dose of the micro dose, 

577
00:31:35,310 --> 00:31:38,710
it's like no, no, relax. 
Is is it more? 

578
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:42,670
It is. 
So I think the chill tablets are

579
00:31:42,670 --> 00:31:44,950
about 2.5. 
I went and grabbed them real 

580
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:47,710
fast. 
The sleep one has 5 milligrams 

581
00:31:47,710 --> 00:31:54,150
of CBN and 25 milligrams of CBD 
and then it's also got 90 

582
00:31:54,150 --> 00:31:59,070
milligrams of discrete sleep 
bend, which is elphinin and 

583
00:31:59,070 --> 00:32:03,450
melatonin. 
So, but the Chill tablets are 

584
00:32:03,450 --> 00:32:08,370
just 2.5 milligrams of THC and 
15 milligrams of like, full 

585
00:32:08,370 --> 00:32:10,010
spectrum hemp stuff. 
Oh wow. 

586
00:32:10,370 --> 00:32:14,330
But the relief is 100 total 
cannabinoids. 

587
00:32:15,050 --> 00:32:18,490
Oh wow. 
So it's a higher dose than that,

588
00:32:18,530 --> 00:32:21,170
but it's I think is more for 
pain relief and stuff. 

589
00:32:21,250 --> 00:32:23,250
Yeah, that's exactly what it's 
designed for. 

590
00:32:23,570 --> 00:32:25,290
And that's what's cool about the
chill ones, too. 

591
00:32:25,330 --> 00:32:26,730
They they're actually pretty 
tasty. 

592
00:32:26,730 --> 00:32:27,970
All of them are actually really 
tasty. 

593
00:32:27,970 --> 00:32:30,890
They're not bad. 
Yeah, they're like Smarties kind

594
00:32:30,890 --> 00:32:31,760
of. 
Yeah. 

595
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,000
I take usually one of these 
every day. 

596
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,240
I take one of these every night,
but I gave the relief ones to my

597
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,400
grandma to try out as well with 
her head because of. 

598
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,360
Yeah, that's a good idea. 
I was like I could use these, 

599
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,560
but I have a million other 
products that I will use and I 

600
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,280
want to see what's going to help
you so. 

601
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,960
You know, when we're talking 
about micro dosing with THC, you

602
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:59,360
have to understand that THC is a
mild hallucinogen. 

603
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,520
In many ways it, it, THC can 
have hallucinogenic products 

604
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,920
that are, yeah, properties of 
it. 

605
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,920
Sorry products properties in 
that. 

606
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,800
And and those properties in 
taking in large doses can 

607
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,280
trigger a psychedelic 
experience. 

608
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,360
I've told you about a few times 
where I've smoked a certain type

609
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,960
of strain. 
Where it put me in a psychedelic

610
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,480
experience was very crazy, very 
vivid. 

611
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:32,220
But what do you think about it? 
Any distortion of length, time, 

612
00:33:32,860 --> 00:33:36,740
anything like that is a mild Who
is in the genic? 

613
00:33:36,740 --> 00:33:39,820
How many times have you listened
to a song while you were a 

614
00:33:39,820 --> 00:33:43,020
little high or really high? 
That song felt like it was an 

615
00:33:43,020 --> 00:33:46,860
hour. 
Yeah, Or the music itself 

616
00:33:46,860 --> 00:33:50,340
changed your body temperature. 
You ever had that where you feel

617
00:33:50,340 --> 00:33:52,700
like warm or you'll feel kind of
cold? 

618
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:56,580
Like, it's it's cool. 
Like where I was hiking when I 

619
00:33:56,580 --> 00:34:00,980
was first smoking and I felt 
like my legs were like this tall

620
00:34:01,460 --> 00:34:06,020
and my arms were like crazy long
and it felt like they were 

621
00:34:06,020 --> 00:34:07,780
dragging on their own. 
But they weren't. 

622
00:34:07,780 --> 00:34:09,780
I'm like, man. 
And that's usually when you 

623
00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:11,820
first get into it. 
If you don't understand proper 

624
00:34:11,820 --> 00:34:14,380
microdosing, well, there was no 
micro about it. 

625
00:34:14,380 --> 00:34:16,780
It was just all. 
Yeah, Go crazy. 

626
00:34:16,860 --> 00:34:20,179
Well, because it was the same 
guy who was here when you had 

627
00:34:20,179 --> 00:34:21,420
your first experience. 
Yeah. 

628
00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:23,420
And it was smoke this, smoke 
this. 

629
00:34:23,540 --> 00:34:24,940
Smoke this. 
Smoke this. 

630
00:34:25,100 --> 00:34:26,139
Take this. 
All right. 

631
00:34:26,139 --> 00:34:27,620
Here. 
So I was like, all right. 

632
00:34:28,110 --> 00:34:32,710
Just to My first experience with
100 milligrams was, you know, 

633
00:34:32,909 --> 00:34:34,870
hey, here's this 115 milligram 
brownie. 

634
00:34:35,590 --> 00:34:37,230
Oh, shit. 
Normally we do like, 20. 

635
00:34:37,389 --> 00:34:40,350
All right, sure. 
Yeah, let's take that. 

636
00:34:41,670 --> 00:34:45,150
And that was, at the time, the 
highest I had ever been. 

637
00:34:45,150 --> 00:34:47,429
I actually had to lay down on 
the couch. 

638
00:34:48,070 --> 00:34:52,429
I just put on music and I had 
to, like, breathe because I got 

639
00:34:52,429 --> 00:34:56,889
hot. 
I was like sweating and probably

640
00:34:56,889 --> 00:35:00,370
like 15 minutes and I just had 
to breathe because it was too 

641
00:35:00,370 --> 00:35:05,530
much and I'm like and then it 
was fine after that, but it was 

642
00:35:05,850 --> 00:35:07,930
that was insane. 
It was the highest I had ever 

643
00:35:07,930 --> 00:35:09,930
been at the moment. 
And that's what's cool about, 

644
00:35:09,930 --> 00:35:13,490
like those discrete tablets is 
that you could take a bunch of 

645
00:35:13,490 --> 00:35:16,250
them, but it's just increasing 
the amount of CBD that you're 

646
00:35:16,250 --> 00:35:18,970
taking with it. 
And so yeah, you will get a 

647
00:35:18,970 --> 00:35:22,410
little bit more of euphoria from
it, but it's not to the point 

648
00:35:22,410 --> 00:35:24,850
where it's unbearable now. 
It could be. 

649
00:35:25,180 --> 00:35:26,940
Depending on how. 
I mean, if you sat there and ate

650
00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:30,540
them like smarties, oh I'm they 
there's sixty in a jar. 

651
00:35:30,540 --> 00:35:33,140
So if you hate the whole thing, 
I'm sure you could feel 

652
00:35:33,140 --> 00:35:35,380
something. 
Oh, you definitely feel it. 

653
00:35:35,620 --> 00:35:39,740
And but that's the thing, it's 
it's being able to have those 

654
00:35:39,940 --> 00:35:43,100
right amount of doses. 
But when we talk about the 

655
00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:48,100
psychedelic experience, even 
though cannabis is a mild 

656
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:51,540
holucinogen, and it can, it 
could trigger an event. 

657
00:35:52,580 --> 00:35:54,570
But. 
I've experienced with 

658
00:35:54,570 --> 00:35:56,290
hallucinogens. 
I know you have. 

659
00:35:56,730 --> 00:36:03,610
I go back to my Navy days where 
I did LSD multiple times and 

660
00:36:04,130 --> 00:36:08,610
because I didn't know or was 
introduced to it in a proper 

661
00:36:08,610 --> 00:36:10,330
way. 
Yeah, and your dozing was 

662
00:36:10,330 --> 00:36:14,810
insane. 
Yeah, I had 4-4 tabs, basically 

663
00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:16,730
your first time. 
Yep, very first time and I 

664
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:20,530
wasn't told what it was. 
They gave it to me on a sugar 

665
00:36:20,530 --> 00:36:22,530
cube, couple sugar cubes and 
said put this in your mouth, 

666
00:36:22,530 --> 00:36:24,530
don't chew it. 
I remember very vividly. 

667
00:36:24,730 --> 00:36:28,170
Oh yeah, you would. 
And then I went upstairs. 

668
00:36:28,170 --> 00:36:30,530
I was talking to this girl that 
I was really interested in. 

669
00:36:30,930 --> 00:36:33,450
She was much taller than me. 
I'm 5/8. 

670
00:36:33,450 --> 00:36:35,690
She was 6 feet tall before the 
LSD or? 

671
00:36:35,810 --> 00:36:38,970
No, no, it was way before. 
And then it was when I was 

672
00:36:39,290 --> 00:36:41,970
sitting down and I looked down 
at the carpet and the carpet 

673
00:36:41,970 --> 00:36:45,530
started to move. 
Not because it was moving. 

674
00:36:45,530 --> 00:36:47,330
It was because of perception. 
Yeah. 

675
00:36:47,650 --> 00:36:49,610
It was totally altered reality 
at that moment. 

676
00:36:50,050 --> 00:36:52,450
And I, I gotta tell you, did 
that. 

677
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:58,800
Wasn't a great entrance into 
what is, you know, medicine for 

678
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:04,520
the brain. 
And when doing an hallucinogen 

679
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,880
like that one, it was done with 
the intent of let's just 

680
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,560
experience something crazy. 
But where you can look at micro 

681
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,760
dosing with THC, you can do the 
same thing with psilocybin, 

682
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,720
which I think that is and I and 
I feel. 

683
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:22,520
That is by far the best way to 
be able to use psychedelics, 

684
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:26,280
even though LSD does have its 
properties and it does very well

685
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:30,880
in areas. 
But for myself, I've microdosed 

686
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:39,040
psilocybin for a while and 
recently I did a three day on 

687
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:42,440
and then I'm going three days 
off and then going to do another

688
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,680
three days on just to experiment
how I feel and. 

689
00:37:47,150 --> 00:37:50,710
Why doing a microdose then? 
In talking about a microdose, I 

690
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:53,910
say that we're talking like 1/10
of a gram here that we were 

691
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:56,710
taking give or take, sometimes 
the 14th. 

692
00:37:56,790 --> 00:38:00,150
Roughly, it's about 1/10. 
But it's about a 10th, and you 

693
00:38:00,150 --> 00:38:03,310
know, once 20 minutes goes by, 
there's no coming back. 

694
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:06,430
And for most people, they freak 
out about a psychedelic right? 

695
00:38:06,430 --> 00:38:13,150
If I ate 4 grams of psilocybin, 
which is a decent amount, it's a

696
00:38:13,150 --> 00:38:16,230
good trip. 
And if I took that? 

697
00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:20,930
20 minutes later, if I haven't 
yacked it up, I'm I'm going for 

698
00:38:20,930 --> 00:38:23,970
an entire ride. 
Oh, I mean, even if you do yack 

699
00:38:23,970 --> 00:38:26,410
it up, you're still going for an
entire ride. 

700
00:38:26,610 --> 00:38:28,770
You totally are. 
You're going to go for a crazy 

701
00:38:28,770 --> 00:38:32,810
ride, but that's a lot, right? 
So it's like, same with THC. 

702
00:38:33,210 --> 00:38:37,570
So it's the intent. 
So it is there is value if you 

703
00:38:37,570 --> 00:38:40,450
guys, one of our audience 
members message in was like hey 

704
00:38:40,450 --> 00:38:45,290
you should talk about psilocybin
as well if you guys want and 

705
00:38:46,460 --> 00:38:50,620
like it is good in higher doses.
There is certain value. 

706
00:38:50,820 --> 00:38:54,100
Yes, like John Hopkins 
University has done lots of 

707
00:38:54,100 --> 00:38:56,500
studies on it. 
There's playlists, there's 

708
00:38:56,900 --> 00:39:01,300
medical things that are being 
done that you can use, 

709
00:39:01,820 --> 00:39:06,300
psilocybin with specific doses 
and all of this stuff to help 

710
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:11,460
heal from PTSD or depression or 
all of these things, sometimes 

711
00:39:11,460 --> 00:39:13,300
for their life. 
Yeah, totally. 

712
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:18,190
And, you know, being. 
And the reason why I got into 

713
00:39:18,190 --> 00:39:24,190
you introduced me to it. 
And when I started it was more 

714
00:39:24,190 --> 00:39:28,510
of the sensation that I got at 
first was vivid colors. 

715
00:39:28,590 --> 00:39:30,470
That's it. 
Just everything's brighter. 

716
00:39:31,230 --> 00:39:33,230
I had a lot of energy. 
Lots of energy. 

717
00:39:33,350 --> 00:39:38,510
You have like youthful energy is
what I that's what it was. 

718
00:39:38,590 --> 00:39:44,970
Is with microdosing is colors 
are brighter, you feel more 

719
00:39:44,970 --> 00:39:47,890
connected. 
I, at least I I feel more 

720
00:39:47,890 --> 00:39:51,130
connected to people, to earth, 
to plants, to and. 

721
00:39:51,250 --> 00:39:54,810
I don't know if you get this, 
but it also makes me just a 

722
00:39:54,810 --> 00:39:57,970
little bit Randy, if we're going
to be completely honest. 

723
00:39:58,570 --> 00:40:00,650
Yeah, I could see that, Yeah. 
Because it is. 

724
00:40:00,650 --> 00:40:02,490
It's one of those properties I'm
just like. 

725
00:40:03,450 --> 00:40:05,810
But at the same time, I think 
it's also misses. 

726
00:40:05,890 --> 00:40:09,570
It could be, but it's if you 
have so much stress. 

727
00:40:09,650 --> 00:40:14,670
Like, lately I feel like life 
has been too much and I feel 

728
00:40:14,670 --> 00:40:18,230
like I've been in a funk and 
you've noticed that, like, I I 

729
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:22,350
haven't done anywhere near the 
stuff that I normally would do. 

730
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:25,750
And I Because it's hard. 
Life's hard, dude. 

731
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:28,870
Yeah. 
And then I feel like I took 

732
00:40:29,070 --> 00:40:35,110
probably two or three micros in 
the last week and and I have 

733
00:40:35,110 --> 00:40:41,750
been more present. 
I have gotten so much stuff done

734
00:40:42,410 --> 00:40:46,850
and I don't have the same like, 
depression and anxiety that's 

735
00:40:46,850 --> 00:40:51,410
hanging over me. 
But I have this like weirdness 

736
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:55,650
of I don't know what to do with 
all of my time. 

737
00:40:56,050 --> 00:41:00,290
Yeah, yeah, no, I get that. 
I've I've had those things in 

738
00:41:00,290 --> 00:41:04,890
Funks where it's and that's what
I really like about why I I 

739
00:41:04,890 --> 00:41:08,330
would encourage, I don't know if
I should say, yeah, I don't 

740
00:41:08,330 --> 00:41:10,530
care. 
I I would encourage those to be 

741
00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:12,620
able to explore that. 
A route. 

742
00:41:12,620 --> 00:41:16,780
I've talked to so many different
individuals who are extremely 

743
00:41:16,780 --> 00:41:22,380
religious to those who are very 
anti religion, but they have 

744
00:41:22,380 --> 00:41:27,260
this similar experience on on 
micro dosing with psilocybin 

745
00:41:27,620 --> 00:41:30,060
because then they're kind of 
able to let go of all that 

746
00:41:30,060 --> 00:41:33,420
bullshit. 
You can let go of your ego. 

747
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:35,260
Yeah, you do. 
You let go of it, you. 

748
00:41:35,650 --> 00:41:38,490
You accept responsibility for 
certain things and again, it 

749
00:41:38,490 --> 00:41:41,010
goes with the intent. 
Though intent isn't necessarily.

750
00:41:41,090 --> 00:41:43,890
I want to be able to be more 
clear headed, like just going to

751
00:41:43,890 --> 00:41:48,010
the intent going this is going 
to help me and I'm going to let 

752
00:41:48,010 --> 00:41:52,610
it do what it needs to do, yeah.
And it really gives me this like

753
00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:57,650
like I So this is kind of funny 
with intent when I went camping 

754
00:41:57,850 --> 00:42:01,290
second day until camping. 
I'm not really jazzed to be 

755
00:42:01,290 --> 00:42:05,210
camping at this point because it
keeps fucking raining. 

756
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,880
But yeah, it did rain a. 
Lot. 

757
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,120
Oh my gosh. 
Crazy amount of rain. 

758
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:15,280
And I took it, but I took it 
with the intent of, I don't want

759
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,880
to feel upset. 
And it was very strange because 

760
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:23,600
I felt very uncomfortable and 
very like almost disoriented. 

761
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,880
It was very strange. 
Yeah. 

762
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,920
Because I normally don't feel 
that. 

763
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:29,840
Yeah. 
And I felt disoriented. 

764
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,600
And I'm just like, it always 
goes with the intent with it. 

765
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,470
It's an experience that is not. 
Psychedelic in any way. 

766
00:42:37,270 --> 00:42:40,430
I don't feel psychedelic. 
I feel more grounded. 

767
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:44,390
I feel like it's what the 
promise of an antidepressant 

768
00:42:44,390 --> 00:42:46,670
supposed to be. 
Yes, exactly. 

769
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:50,030
And I feel so. 
Short term, I haven't used 

770
00:42:50,070 --> 00:42:54,870
antidepressants in years. 
I I did for a little while, 

771
00:42:54,990 --> 00:42:56,630
yeah. 
You've been a lot better with 

772
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:59,470
them than you did before. 
Yeah, it was really depending on

773
00:42:59,470 --> 00:43:04,070
huge, like a huge step. 
Yeah, so I'm I'm way more. 

774
00:43:04,740 --> 00:43:08,420
Present not 100% because of how 
I am. 

775
00:43:08,420 --> 00:43:11,020
Is anyone? 
No, not in this day and age. 

776
00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:17,220
But I will say that when, you 
know, recently been going 

777
00:43:17,220 --> 00:43:21,100
through a lot of anxiety, lot of
waking up with anxiety, you 

778
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:23,220
know, you you've had the same 
things, right? 

779
00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:27,580
And it became to the point where
my blood pressure was going 

780
00:43:27,580 --> 00:43:30,380
higher. 
And when talking to Doc, he's 

781
00:43:30,380 --> 00:43:34,020
just like, yeah, you know, we 
can try you on Wellbutrin. 

782
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:39,670
For an anti anxiety medication. 
And part of me really wanted 

783
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:46,150
that relief that those 
medications would do for me in 

784
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:49,150
the past. 
But they're not intended for 

785
00:43:49,150 --> 00:43:52,550
longterm use. 
Yeah, but there are people been 

786
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:56,110
on them for years, Decades. 
People are prescribed like they 

787
00:43:56,190 --> 00:43:57,030
are. 
Right. 

788
00:43:57,230 --> 00:44:00,830
So, and it's so open, but when 
you think about psilocybin like 

789
00:44:00,830 --> 00:44:03,470
honestly it it how long does it 
take? 

790
00:44:03,950 --> 00:44:09,630
Like if you take Celexa, right? 
I've been on select and 20 

791
00:44:09,630 --> 00:44:11,750
milligrams, which is not a large
dose, but it was. 

792
00:44:11,870 --> 00:44:15,230
I'm very sensitive to 
medications and I'm like okay. 

793
00:44:15,230 --> 00:44:19,310
I'm taking this one dude. 
It took two weeks till I started

794
00:44:19,310 --> 00:44:21,910
to feel something from it holy. 
Shit. 

795
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:23,870
And most of it. 
And they they're like, yeah, it 

796
00:44:23,870 --> 00:44:25,070
takes a while to get into your 
system. 

797
00:44:25,070 --> 00:44:27,030
It's not going to be like take 
it and it's gone. 

798
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:31,950
And it got to the point where it
affected me in so many different

799
00:44:31,950 --> 00:44:36,890
ways of my life. 
Where physically, emotionally, 

800
00:44:37,210 --> 00:44:39,090
like you just. 
I didn't feel. 

801
00:44:39,090 --> 00:44:42,290
I didn't pick up on things. 
Yeah, we just focused on work. 

802
00:44:42,290 --> 00:44:45,250
Well, because you're not as 
present and you miss all of 

803
00:44:45,250 --> 00:44:47,090
that. 
It's tough. 

804
00:44:47,330 --> 00:44:52,530
Yeah, it's the struggle. 
So I when I went down to talk to

805
00:44:52,530 --> 00:44:55,970
my grandma and give her those 
things for her head, one of my 

806
00:44:55,970 --> 00:44:59,410
cousins was in town. 
I haven't seen him in ages. 

807
00:44:59,410 --> 00:45:02,690
He's been married probably 14 
years. 

808
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,040
Something like that. 
They were going to say 14 times.

809
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,240
No, just to like just once. 
Damn, son. 

810
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,400
But I don't think I've ever 
talked to his wife this entire 

811
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,520
time. 
And she was there and they live 

812
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,200
in Jersey now. 
And she was talking about how 

813
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,720
different it is because she was 
like, yeah, a lot of people here

814
00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:27,840
in Utah are LDS or Mormon as a 
lot of people outside of Utah 

815
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:31,880
know it. 
And she, she was talking about 

816
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:38,370
how so many of her friends have 
left the church, have left that 

817
00:45:38,370 --> 00:45:44,050
religion because they were so 
used to being prescribed all of 

818
00:45:44,050 --> 00:45:47,530
these medications and all of 
this stuff for depression and 

819
00:45:47,530 --> 00:45:50,690
anxiety and all of that. 
And they said, you know what? 

820
00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:54,810
I realized? 
I needed an edible or a glass of

821
00:45:54,810 --> 00:45:57,090
wine. 
I haven't used any of these 

822
00:45:57,090 --> 00:45:58,690
medications. 
I don't have any of these 

823
00:45:58,690 --> 00:46:01,250
problems now. 
That was all I needed. 

824
00:46:02,090 --> 00:46:05,530
Oh yeah, I mean, it plagues most
people who who have some type of

825
00:46:05,530 --> 00:46:08,850
faith. 
They there are certain things 

826
00:46:08,850 --> 00:46:13,490
that are taboo to them because 
of belief structures or 

827
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:17,010
whatever, but it's exactly that 
because and that's and I'm not 

828
00:46:17,010 --> 00:46:20,130
trying to shit on doctors here 
because there's doctors that 

829
00:46:20,130 --> 00:46:24,770
listen to this and there's there
is value in medicine. 100% but 

830
00:46:24,770 --> 00:46:29,250
when it comes to psychotropic 
medications, Ssri's. 

831
00:46:29,730 --> 00:46:32,490
And I have, I've I've a long 
history with mental health, not 

832
00:46:32,650 --> 00:46:36,170
necessarily just myself, but by 
being working within the mental 

833
00:46:36,170 --> 00:46:37,770
health community for a long 
time. 

834
00:46:38,730 --> 00:46:42,490
When you're introducing these 
medications that are, that are 

835
00:46:42,490 --> 00:46:47,490
intended for shortterm use, but 
they don't use them shortterm 

836
00:46:47,490 --> 00:46:49,930
use because they find that the 
body becomes more addicted to 

837
00:46:49,930 --> 00:46:53,170
them. 
I was addicted to Celexa, I was 

838
00:46:53,170 --> 00:46:54,770
addicted. 
And the reason why I know that 

839
00:46:54,770 --> 00:46:59,290
is when I tried to get off of 
it, my body was. 

840
00:46:59,630 --> 00:47:03,630
A wreck. 
I was so fucked up. 

841
00:47:04,270 --> 00:47:09,590
My body hurt, my joints hurt. 
I was disoriented and all I 

842
00:47:09,590 --> 00:47:13,710
wanted to do was go away. 
And I called my doctor's office 

843
00:47:13,710 --> 00:47:15,910
and said I need this 
prescription filled right away. 

844
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:20,510
And because my body was going 
through that withdrawal and just

845
00:47:20,510 --> 00:47:24,190
wanting it, it was hurting me. 
Like, I almost like imagine, 

846
00:47:24,190 --> 00:47:27,950
like Venom in, you know, like 
the Spiderman universe like. 

847
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,320
It's over people, right? 
I mean, like that guy, That's 

848
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,280
what it felt like. 
It was trying to kick my ass 

849
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,680
saying give us what we want. 
Because it introduced all these 

850
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:43,560
things and I just, it was so 
hard on my body, I had to take 

851
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,240
it again. 
And it wasn't until using 

852
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:49,880
cannabis that it got me to the 
point where I could not feel 

853
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,040
those effects. 
By using a good dose of THC, 

854
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,250
every day got me past it and you
could wean yourself off. 

855
00:47:58,330 --> 00:47:59,970
Right. 
And then when I went back on 

856
00:47:59,970 --> 00:48:05,330
anti anxiety medications again 
due to life and I'm just a 

857
00:48:05,330 --> 00:48:10,610
wreck, I was able to get off 
that much easier because I knew 

858
00:48:10,610 --> 00:48:13,170
what to be, how to dose myself. 
I was still using cannabis, 

859
00:48:13,410 --> 00:48:16,290
which I thought was more of a 
like a prophylactic for the 

860
00:48:16,290 --> 00:48:19,250
medication was taken so that 
that should tell you something, 

861
00:48:20,250 --> 00:48:22,010
right? 
But when you talk about like 

862
00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:25,260
psilocybin. 
The one thing that I really 

863
00:48:25,260 --> 00:48:31,060
enjoy about having a microdose 
is that one after you get over 

864
00:48:31,060 --> 00:48:35,380
this weird fear the first time 
you're doing any type of, you 

865
00:48:35,380 --> 00:48:39,380
know, plant based medicine, 
psychedelic is that this isn't 

866
00:48:39,380 --> 00:48:43,620
going to kill you, it's not 
going to kill you, and it's such

867
00:48:43,620 --> 00:48:46,300
a low dose, you know, it was 
interesting. 

868
00:48:46,620 --> 00:48:51,340
So what actually got me to 
consider LSD or psilocybin in 

869
00:48:51,340 --> 00:48:55,690
the first place is I was using 
cannabis because my buddy had 

870
00:48:55,690 --> 00:48:58,290
gone, oh, there's a medical 
patent that the government holds

871
00:48:58,290 --> 00:48:59,930
for that. 
So I went and researched and was

872
00:48:59,930 --> 00:49:01,890
like, oh shit, yeah, they do, 
Okay. 

873
00:49:02,370 --> 00:49:05,690
So then I started using it and I
started doing more research, and

874
00:49:05,690 --> 00:49:08,010
there's a document that's put 
out by the United States 

875
00:49:08,170 --> 00:49:13,730
government, and it talks about 
harmfulness, the dangerousness 

876
00:49:13,850 --> 00:49:20,210
of drugs. 
And it puts cannabis in this 

877
00:49:20,290 --> 00:49:28,590
list and it's about here. 
And then LSD and psilocybin are 

878
00:49:28,590 --> 00:49:29,910
way down here. 
Yeah. 

879
00:49:30,550 --> 00:49:33,590
And I'm going, so this plant 
that has never killed anyone, 

880
00:49:34,670 --> 00:49:38,230
that there is no dose that we 
know of that will kill anyone 

881
00:49:41,350 --> 00:49:46,350
that we have in a cannabinoid 
system for you're saying is way 

882
00:49:46,350 --> 00:49:49,070
up here on the like harmful, 
dangerous scale. 

883
00:49:49,790 --> 00:49:53,100
And yet these ones that are 
psychedelic, hallucinogenic, 

884
00:49:53,100 --> 00:49:58,460
like, way different than that, 
are down here, down here in as 

885
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:01,620
far as how dangerous they are. 
If you think about it, dude, 

886
00:50:01,620 --> 00:50:03,900
like, and it's just conspiracy 
theory about that one. 

887
00:50:03,900 --> 00:50:08,660
But if you're trying to take 
away any type of distraction, 

888
00:50:08,980 --> 00:50:11,020
what do you do? 
Will you villainize something 

889
00:50:11,020 --> 00:50:13,980
else, right. 
Because I'm sure cocaine and 

890
00:50:13,980 --> 00:50:17,380
heroin, during those times of 
the early drug days, it was 

891
00:50:17,380 --> 00:50:20,530
always. 
There was a huge war on THC, on 

892
00:50:20,530 --> 00:50:23,890
any kind of marijuana. 
Yeah, well, it's all against 

893
00:50:23,890 --> 00:50:26,130
the. 
But you think about it, always 

894
00:50:26,130 --> 00:50:29,850
back to the stupid races. 
It not only just that, but I 

895
00:50:29,850 --> 00:50:33,010
mean you think back through 
history like you know Napoleon 

896
00:50:33,010 --> 00:50:35,970
when they were going through 
Africa and there was parts of 

897
00:50:35,970 --> 00:50:39,210
Africa where they would smoke 
cannabis over there the his 

898
00:50:39,210 --> 00:50:42,810
troops were forbidden to be able
to smoke it because they became 

899
00:50:42,810 --> 00:50:47,560
more complacent. 
And more, they were less fight. 

900
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,440
Yeah, they were less aggressive.
Yep. 

901
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,320
And he he banned them from it. 
He's like, no, you can't do that

902
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:54,720
because they were probably 
going, what the? 

903
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,200
I don't know that understand why
we are fucking fighting these 

904
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,720
people, right? 
I mean, he was well, and if you 

905
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:03,680
can criminalize other people and
make him look terrible because 

906
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,600
of a plant. 
And if you're trying to distract

907
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,080
them from something else, yeah, 
whatever. 

908
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,280
You, like, make people afraid of
them too. 

909
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:14,090
Yeah, and it becomes this weird 
thing of like it's dumb. 

910
00:51:14,530 --> 00:51:18,090
It is really dumb and that's why
I like when we take that like 

911
00:51:18,730 --> 00:51:22,130
lethality rate over there and if
you think cannabis is above 

912
00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:25,890
that, then that's where that 
safety needs to kind of feel and

913
00:51:25,890 --> 00:51:27,290
lie. 
Now I'm not suggesting that 

914
00:51:27,290 --> 00:51:29,050
everybody goes and try a micro 
dose. 

915
00:51:29,450 --> 00:51:32,090
What I am suggesting is that you
put in your research and your 

916
00:51:32,090 --> 00:51:35,170
time to be able to understand 
what the properties of it or 

917
00:51:35,170 --> 00:51:37,410
listen to other people's 
experiences. 

918
00:51:37,950 --> 00:51:40,270
Do your own research. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

919
00:51:40,270 --> 00:51:44,270
And the really great part though
for me personally is one I know 

920
00:51:44,270 --> 00:51:47,350
when I need to be able to take a
micro dose because I am hyper 

921
00:51:47,350 --> 00:51:50,990
focusing on things that I cannot
change, I feel stuck. 

922
00:51:51,110 --> 00:51:54,190
Yeah, you feel stuck because 
when you get into that, like, I 

923
00:51:54,190 --> 00:51:56,390
hang on to a ton of energy, 
Yeah. 

924
00:51:56,590 --> 00:51:58,990
And I can't let it go. 
That's what I know. 

925
00:51:59,550 --> 00:52:04,790
So, so you guys may or might not
know they're listening to this 

926
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:06,310
show. 
I've been divorced for a long 

927
00:52:06,310 --> 00:52:11,790
time and sometimes that can be 
fun and you go through court 

928
00:52:11,790 --> 00:52:14,990
times. 
And this last year has been a 

929
00:52:14,990 --> 00:52:17,430
big mess of going through that 
stuff. 

930
00:52:18,030 --> 00:52:22,870
And I felt like there was this, 
this hatred that I had grown for

931
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:25,100
someone that I never had. 
Yeah. 

932
00:52:25,300 --> 00:52:28,700
And I don't like hating because 
I don't feel like I you. 

933
00:52:28,780 --> 00:52:30,820
Don't want to waste that in. 
I don't hold space for that. 

934
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:32,580
Yeah, I don't hold space for 
hatred. 

935
00:52:33,380 --> 00:52:39,020
And so it was just, I I hated 
hating. 

936
00:52:39,260 --> 00:52:42,220
Like, yeah, that's it. 
I hated hating. 

937
00:52:42,740 --> 00:52:46,740
And I felt like I needed to get 
rid of that energy and I needed 

938
00:52:46,740 --> 00:52:49,540
to let it move on. 
And I took a micro dose. 

939
00:52:49,660 --> 00:52:51,420
Yeah, I didn't need a macro 
dose. 

940
00:52:51,420 --> 00:52:55,480
I didn't need anything more. 
I needed that plant medicine to 

941
00:52:55,480 --> 00:53:00,600
come in, to let my mind think 
through these things, feel what 

942
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,520
I needed to release what I 
needed to, and let go of it. 

943
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,720
Yeah, because it's like we hang 
on to everything. 

944
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,440
Like how many of us are just 
broken, messed up, fucked up 

945
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,360
little kids. 
Ohh, we're totally fucked up. 

946
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,160
That's all we are. 
Just a bunch of old little 

947
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,920
fucked up kids who got picked on
or you know, their parents 

948
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,320
didn't do whatever, we, I don't 
know, we're all messed up in our

949
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,960
own ways, so. 
I I agree. 

950
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,920
And that's the part that I, when
I think about using a microdose 

951
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:38,240
on that side for THC or for 
psilocybin, it's it's just a 

952
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:41,120
nice way to be able to kind of 
feel a little bit more grounded 

953
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,880
with yourself and get that 
promise that it's said on the 

954
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,200
side of the bottle for whatever 
antidepressant you're taking 

955
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,180
because. 
And I'm not saying you should 

956
00:53:50,180 --> 00:53:51,620
jump off stuff and start using 
this. 

957
00:53:51,620 --> 00:53:54,060
Like you need to work with your 
doctor if you want to be able to

958
00:53:54,060 --> 00:53:56,100
get off that stuff because you 
are physically dependent upon 

959
00:53:56,100 --> 00:53:59,060
it. 
And I'm not here to grand ban or

960
00:53:59,060 --> 00:54:01,380
grandstand for, you know, get 
off these medications. 

961
00:54:01,380 --> 00:54:02,940
These medications are very 
helpful. 

962
00:54:03,220 --> 00:54:06,260
They have saved, they can be, 
they can be, they have saved. 

963
00:54:06,620 --> 00:54:10,940
The life can be harmful and but 
if you've been on it, you 

964
00:54:10,940 --> 00:54:13,220
probably know that. 
Yeah, and I mean it. 

965
00:54:13,220 --> 00:54:17,180
It's saved the life of somebody 
very, very, very close to me. 

966
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,480
It would have been beyond. 
I'm incredibly single for that. 

967
00:54:21,720 --> 00:54:24,160
Right. 
And then those medications have 

968
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:29,000
helped them and they have 
continued to help them. 

969
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,440
And it takes time. 
But you know, when I think of 

970
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,560
psilocybin, I think of all the 
great properties of it, that's 

971
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,760
one of the areas that I look at.
I'm like for me when I'm going 

972
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,520
through those hard times, like I
have a bottle of Wellbutrin at 

973
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,920
my house. 
I filled the prescription and I 

974
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,040
haven't taken one. 
Because I'm like, you know what?

975
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,080
I know that a micro dose can 
help me with this right now. 

976
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,320
And I don't have to take it 
every day. 

977
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,920
I don't even have to take it all
the time. 

978
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,960
I could do a few micro doses a 
month and that would be great, 

979
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,560
but that would be pretty. 
That's a lot. 

980
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,400
I know people were doing like 
crazy amounts like, oh, I've 

981
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,840
been, I take it every day like I
might have been on slopes. 

982
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,520
Has a whole schedule for it. 
Like there's, yeah, I followed a

983
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,120
micro dose in the schedule for a
while. 

984
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,250
And it's. 
You know, it's getting more 

985
00:55:15,290 --> 00:55:19,130
notice of recognition, which I 
wish cannabis would one day, but

986
00:55:19,330 --> 00:55:23,610
we all know how that's going. 
But it it's totally fine because

987
00:55:23,610 --> 00:55:27,410
we're getting more and more 
acceptable towards psychedelics,

988
00:55:27,890 --> 00:55:30,170
right? 
Like catamine treatments and all

989
00:55:30,170 --> 00:55:32,170
the thing. 
But you know, before you jump 

990
00:55:32,170 --> 00:55:36,250
into hey, let's somebody shoot 
up a synthetic into my body. 

991
00:55:36,690 --> 00:55:40,090
And, you know, hopefully this 
helps me deal with whatever shit

992
00:55:40,090 --> 00:55:43,810
I got going to my past 
psilocybin. 

993
00:55:44,190 --> 00:55:49,150
Helps you to be focused on the 
present and helps you to let go 

994
00:55:49,150 --> 00:55:51,710
of a lot of the things that 
you've been pent up about. 

995
00:55:52,070 --> 00:55:54,790
And like you said, it just kind 
of lets your ego like it gives 

996
00:55:54,790 --> 00:55:59,470
your ego a break on, bro. 
That's why I'm not, Yeah. 

997
00:55:59,470 --> 00:56:03,430
Incredible trips of and 
everyone's different. 

998
00:56:03,750 --> 00:56:05,670
Right. 
Do you I think if you. 

999
00:56:06,430 --> 00:56:12,070
I think there's great value in 
psilocybin and if you if you 

1000
00:56:12,310 --> 00:56:16,390
feel like you have a a decent 
level on your mental stability 

1001
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:20,230
where you're at micro doses and 
stuff on your own is great. 

1002
00:56:20,790 --> 00:56:24,230
But if you feel like you really 
have you know some issues or 

1003
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:27,590
things that you're struggling 
with maybe find a professional. 

1004
00:56:27,590 --> 00:56:33,910
There are places that do that 
around that do psilocybin trials

1005
00:56:33,910 --> 00:56:37,190
and do psilocybin clinics and 
that and you can use that to 

1006
00:56:37,190 --> 00:56:40,510
actually heal from these 
problems and these issues 

1007
00:56:40,510 --> 00:56:43,530
because like. 
Just a lot of us holding on to 

1008
00:56:43,530 --> 00:56:45,090
shit and just not letting go of 
it. 

1009
00:56:45,090 --> 00:56:48,930
It is. 
I have let go of a lot of shit 

1010
00:56:48,930 --> 00:56:52,890
through my trips because it's 
like, damn, I was. 

1011
00:56:53,330 --> 00:56:58,330
I was an angry person, like I 
hung on to so much stuff and it 

1012
00:56:58,330 --> 00:57:01,610
didn't serve anyone so. 
Well, in the worst part, it 

1013
00:57:01,610 --> 00:57:03,530
doesn't serve you. 
And and that's what you have to 

1014
00:57:03,530 --> 00:57:04,770
be able to focus on. 
That's why you. 

1015
00:57:05,210 --> 00:57:07,130
That's why we consume plant 
medicine. 

1016
00:57:07,450 --> 00:57:10,940
That's why we enjoy cannabis. 
We enjoy cannabis on the on the 

1017
00:57:11,220 --> 00:57:13,620
both the medicinal and the 
recreational side. 

1018
00:57:13,900 --> 00:57:16,540
And the great reason why we do 
that is because, well, we're in 

1019
00:57:16,540 --> 00:57:19,220
control. 
We know exactly what's going on.

1020
00:57:19,340 --> 00:57:24,020
I I just, I don't imbibe alcohol
by any means just because it 

1021
00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:29,220
doesn't do well with my body. 
I do miss the buzz sometimes 

1022
00:57:29,220 --> 00:57:32,540
every once in a blue moon, but I
miss more than anything is a 

1023
00:57:32,540 --> 00:57:36,700
really nice cold beer right in 
the middle of a hot day. 

1024
00:57:38,670 --> 00:57:42,310
I don't drink often, but I had 
one of those the other day and 

1025
00:57:42,310 --> 00:57:44,230
it was nice. 
It's nice, right? 

1026
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:46,350
It's nice and sad one for you, 
will say. 

1027
00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:49,390
Dude, well, I mean, but I I 
would even do non alcoholic beer

1028
00:57:49,390 --> 00:57:51,710
just because of the taste. 
I enjoy the taste and there's a 

1029
00:57:51,710 --> 00:57:55,230
lot of new ones out there now. 
I should look into that because 

1030
00:57:55,230 --> 00:57:58,910
I like the flavor, but yeah. 
I I like the flavor because it's

1031
00:57:58,910 --> 00:58:00,590
just good. 
I just like the flavor. 

1032
00:58:00,590 --> 00:58:05,710
But, you know, it's and and for 
me being, you know, a part of 

1033
00:58:05,710 --> 00:58:09,210
the LDS Church. 
I'm open about this. 

1034
00:58:09,410 --> 00:58:12,290
I'm very open about it. 
I'm open about my cannabis use. 

1035
00:58:12,370 --> 00:58:15,250
I mean, shit, if they didn't 
know, they know now, but that 

1036
00:58:15,250 --> 00:58:19,770
would be ridiculous. 
Many people we reach, but on the

1037
00:58:19,770 --> 00:58:22,010
other side is, is that I'm open 
about it. 

1038
00:58:22,010 --> 00:58:25,170
Because I want that conversation
to be started with those who are

1039
00:58:25,170 --> 00:58:30,850
in a faithbased church that has 
had a very long reputation of 

1040
00:58:30,850 --> 00:58:34,250
saying that everything that a 
doctor doesn't prescribe you is 

1041
00:58:34,490 --> 00:58:36,610
evil. 
It's bad for you. 

1042
00:58:37,170 --> 00:58:39,770
It's going to hurt you. 
It's not going to help you, 

1043
00:58:40,010 --> 00:58:42,930
which is interesting because 
it's literally just a plant that

1044
00:58:42,930 --> 00:58:45,650
grows in the ground. 
Which I mean, the LDS church 

1045
00:58:45,650 --> 00:58:48,770
does know that bone because they
own lots of ground where 

1046
00:58:48,770 --> 00:58:53,290
cannabis has grown. 
So and even helped fund one of 

1047
00:58:53,290 --> 00:58:54,370
these. 
Exactly. 

1048
00:58:54,490 --> 00:58:57,770
Grows and and that's the thing, 
it's they know that the 

1049
00:58:57,770 --> 00:59:00,050
properties are there. 
So if you think about it with 

1050
00:59:00,050 --> 00:59:02,490
the LDS Church and a lot of the 
the. 

1051
00:59:03,590 --> 00:59:07,110
Perception of LDS people outside
of that, because I'm a different

1052
00:59:07,110 --> 00:59:10,190
kind, but you're going to notice
that there's a lot more like me 

1053
00:59:10,430 --> 00:59:13,150
more than you think. 
But I think if you're outside of

1054
00:59:13,150 --> 00:59:16,430
Utah, you'll feel you'll meet 
more of the real people. 

1055
00:59:16,710 --> 00:59:19,030
Yeah, and what? 
But even here they're starting 

1056
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:21,390
to more waken up. 
And that's that's why I'm open 

1057
00:59:21,390 --> 00:59:24,310
about what I do. 
And when I talk about psilocybin

1058
00:59:24,310 --> 00:59:27,750
with somebody, I'm like, look, 
this is just my experience, but 

1059
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:30,470
what you need to do is you need 
to research it and figure out 

1060
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:34,240
because I've met people. 
Very well. 

1061
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,840
To do astute people within the 
business world that are very 

1062
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:42,520
quiet about their psilocybin use
and they're growing it and they 

1063
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:46,160
are medicating themselves and 
they have gotten past the 

1064
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,560
craziest trials that happened to
them and youth that still 

1065
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:54,160
affecting today. 
And he's terrified to be able to

1066
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,280
talk to his wife about it. 
He's terrified to talk to his 

1067
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,680
kids about it because he's 
feeling this. 

1068
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:04,200
And and I I want those 
individuals who are listening to

1069
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:08,680
this, who may be of of the faith
that I follow or of any other 

1070
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:14,040
faith think about that when this
plant is just a plant and 

1071
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:18,240
there's properties to it that 
actually can work within your 

1072
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:23,840
body. 
I I don't know of everything, 

1073
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:28,160
any prescription drug out there.
There are ones that are there to

1074
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,920
help you, but there's also ones 
that they have no idea what they

1075
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,960
do and they just had an effect 
and they were going, we can sell

1076
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,200
that. 
Yeah, we can sell an effect. 

1077
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,800
Yeah, we can do that. 
And it it doesn't take it away. 

1078
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,040
But psilocybin has definitely 
been able to help with anxiety. 

1079
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:46,760
It helps with those really deep,
dark times in your life where 

1080
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,920
you feel like you're a piece of 
shit and you're not contributing

1081
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,720
anything to anybody. 
That's a good time to go on a 

1082
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:56,040
micro dose. 
Or even maybe a real trip at 

1083
01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:00,080
that moment, yeah. 
But but it those are all depends

1084
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:04,680
on you And then and that's the 
thing like you know, both THC 

1085
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:10,400
and psilocybin can be scary to 
people who are not very 

1086
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,280
accustomed to it. 
I think that the youth that are 

1087
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:16,400
coming up appreciate it more. 
You know, my son's asked me 

1088
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,160
like, hey dad, when can we do it
together. 

1089
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,320
I'm like when you're old enough 
to be able to consume it 

1090
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,920
because, one, it's not 
necessarily just the law over 

1091
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,760
there, but I'm trying to be able
to because his intent is not to 

1092
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:31,200
do what we use it for and what 
our listeners use it. 

1093
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:37,360
For my oldest wants to when 
she's older, when there's need 

1094
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,520
to or something, Yeah, when 
she's older. 

1095
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:44,280
But she knows, like until I see 
that there's like science or 

1096
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,840
something, I'm like her. 
I I need a little bit more 

1097
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,040
clarification. 
I don't. 

1098
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,800
I don't see science one way or 
the other, really. 

1099
01:01:51,230 --> 01:01:54,870
And it's, there's a lot of talk 
on both sides, but there's not a

1100
01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:57,350
lot of actual supported data, 
right. 

1101
01:01:57,510 --> 01:02:00,550
It's very anecdotal. 
That's what I'm looking for is 

1102
01:02:00,550 --> 01:02:04,070
I'm like I don't see anything 
out there yet and you don't 

1103
01:02:04,830 --> 01:02:08,470
haven't like direct need for 
this. 

1104
01:02:09,220 --> 01:02:12,620
Yes, you could value or benefit 
from certain cannabinoids, but 

1105
01:02:12,700 --> 01:02:15,460
is DHC necessary or one of them 
at this moment? 

1106
01:02:15,620 --> 01:02:17,460
No. 
And that's, that's the hard 

1107
01:02:17,460 --> 01:02:20,980
part, because it's like you want
those good attributes that we 

1108
01:02:20,980 --> 01:02:24,780
enjoy, you know, on the regular.
But she made me like, on 

1109
01:02:24,780 --> 01:02:30,380
Father's Day this a bunch of, 
like, Stoner memes and things. 

1110
01:02:30,380 --> 01:02:31,860
And then at the bottom it was 
signed like. 

1111
01:02:32,780 --> 01:02:34,460
Hopefully your future smoking 
buddy. 

1112
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:36,300
And I was like, Oh my God, I 
would love to smoke with you 

1113
01:02:36,740 --> 01:02:38,980
when you're older, like, well, 
it's the same thing. 

1114
01:02:38,980 --> 01:02:41,660
I told my son I was like, you 
know, when, you know, I'll be 

1115
01:02:41,660 --> 01:02:43,780
the first guy to, to be able to 
roll that first joint with you. 

1116
01:02:43,780 --> 01:02:48,140
Yeah, you know, and you know, 
will he possibly experiment? 

1117
01:02:48,460 --> 01:02:50,900
I I think that's a high 
likeability. 

1118
01:02:51,700 --> 01:02:55,700
I'm not for that. 
My concern maybe this is a whole

1119
01:02:55,700 --> 01:02:57,420
nother discussion for another 
episode. 

1120
01:02:57,580 --> 01:03:01,900
It is. 
But yeah, it just going back, 

1121
01:03:02,220 --> 01:03:04,980
you know when we talk about 
micro dosing over there, do it 

1122
01:03:04,980 --> 01:03:09,140
responsibly, you know if if 
you're new to it. 

1123
01:03:09,260 --> 01:03:11,060
Low and slow. 
Low and slow. 

1124
01:03:11,060 --> 01:03:14,460
Go check out down below. 
We are partnered with Discrete 

1125
01:03:15,740 --> 01:03:18,260
that you know they've been 
really generous. 

1126
01:03:18,260 --> 01:03:22,020
First off, First first purchase 
is 20% off. 

1127
01:03:22,340 --> 01:03:24,980
Oh hell yeah, and it's 
absolutely awesome. 

1128
01:03:25,020 --> 01:03:27,940
Use Code School Check out. 
Like I said, you can see the 

1129
01:03:27,940 --> 01:03:29,860
link down below in. 
The show nuts, Yeah. 

1130
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:32,920
And then also just. 
That you can go to our website, 

1131
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,280
it's also down on there under 
the products. 

1132
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,760
Yeah, go to the website, check, 
check it out. 

1133
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,080
Let us know what you think about
that. 

1134
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,560
And and that's a great way to be
able to get a hold of us as 

1135
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:41,840
well. 
Yeah. 

1136
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:47,640
And also think all the Patreon 
supporters every single month. 

1137
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,880
We we appreciate, you know every
dollar counts. 

1138
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:52,360
It really does help to be able 
to support our show. 

1139
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,760
We put a lot of effort into this
one and we're trying to be able 

1140
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,400
to make this even better 
experience. 

1141
01:03:58,910 --> 01:04:00,470
So we appreciate the hell out of
you guys. 

1142
01:04:00,750 --> 01:04:03,670
We love you guys, all of you. 
I mean, not not just our Patreon

1143
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:05,270
supporters. 
I don't want to get that twisted

1144
01:04:05,670 --> 01:04:07,070
it. 
We love all of you guys because 

1145
01:04:07,070 --> 01:04:09,750
you guys are there every week. 
You're listening to us and 

1146
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:13,150
hopefully you're getting some 
entertainment and some education

1147
01:04:13,150 --> 01:04:15,550
at the exact same time. 
We hope you take this. 

1148
01:04:15,910 --> 01:04:18,110
Please use responsibly, 
especially when we're talking 

1149
01:04:18,110 --> 01:04:20,230
about micro dosing over there 
with people who are not 

1150
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:21,550
introduced to the cannabis 
world. 

1151
01:04:22,190 --> 01:04:23,550
That's why we partnered with 
Discreet. 

1152
01:04:23,550 --> 01:04:27,190
We feel it's going to be a great
product to be able to slowly get

1153
01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:30,070
into it. 
Yeah, and you won't feel. 

1154
01:04:31,070 --> 01:04:32,590
Check them out. 
Yeah, give them, give them. 

1155
01:04:32,590 --> 01:04:34,510
Just know your thoughts. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1156
01:04:34,550 --> 01:04:37,150
Tell us what you think. 
All right, catch y'all next 

1157
01:04:37,150 --> 01:04:38,150
week. 
Take care everybody.