1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:04,360 I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse. 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,480 We're. Cannabis school having cannabis 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,400 infused conversations. With everyday. 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,120 People, Cannabis companies. Celebrities. 5 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:15,240 And your mom. Welcome to the Sesh. 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,840 All right, welcome back everybody. 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:24,080 For the SESH, we have got a very good friend of ours on the 8 00:00:24,080 --> 00:00:26,240 podcast. Now we look for things that are 9 00:00:26,240 --> 00:00:30,560 going to be able to enhance you in many different ways, from it 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:35,320 more of the plant medicine side to the spiritual side and 11 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:40,880 understanding exactly when you have cannabis, is it being grown 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:44,560 with the best products available for the. 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,280 Best way, Yeah. I mean, we learned, yeah, we 14 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:50,320 learned a. Lot we We got to learn a lot 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:52,040 through. Terrible investment. 16 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:55,440 A good learning opportunity. It was very expensive A. 17 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,200 Very expensive education. For me, but for him. 18 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,760 The most expensive education I've had to date. 19 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:03,600 Oh yeah, dude, I'm still paying back on my student loans, and 20 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:05,080 that shit still is. That's. 21 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:06,480 Yours is way more scary than that. 22 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,960 But. Without further ado, we want to 23 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:11,960 be able to introduce our friend. Now, Nick, how do you pronounce 24 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:13,320 your last name? I don't want to butcher it. 25 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,840 Nikolayev. Nicolaya OK, that's easy enough. 26 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,120 Yeah. So Nick Nicolaya from Rooted 27 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,360 Rooted Leaf. Rooted Leaf, These guys are I I 28 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,680 mean, I I really want to go into the product. 29 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,360 But I got to say, Nick, we really want to get a little bit 30 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,400 to know you and our audience know you. 31 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,080 So first thing, when I looked over everything, you and your 32 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:38,120 wife, martial artists, what system did you guys have 33 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,600 studied? We studied a Japanese style of 34 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:45,240 karate, which is pretty old school and hardcore, you know, 35 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,720 more traditional style. So it was not what you see 36 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,760 nowadays with people just kind of playing tag. 37 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,480 It was very much so a rough and full contact kind of martial 38 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:55,480 arts. So it developed a good 39 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,160 character, you know, in both myself and her. 40 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,320 I started when I was 8 years old and I met her when I was 19. 41 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,600 And you know, initially I was her sense again, she was a 42 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,920 student, but over a couple of years we got to know each other 43 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,280 really well and that kind of led to us developing a really strong 44 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,440 relationship outside of the Dojo and and now we're married so. 45 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,360 I was reading you just six months now. 46 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,760 Congrats. Thank you. 47 00:02:20,920 --> 00:02:22,040 I appreciate that. Yeah. 48 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,880 Yeah. We got married last September 49 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,840 and had a chance to fly to Hawaii for our honey movement. 50 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,600 Spend a lot of time there. Nice. 51 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,600 Yeah, it was great. So with the system that you 52 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,320 study, is that Kyukshin? It's related to Kyukushin. 53 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,160 It's a brother art of Kyukushin, it's called Quay Con and the 54 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:45,400 founder of Kyukushin studied directly with the founder of our 55 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:46,720 style. They were effectively, they had 56 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:51,200 the same sensei. So yeah, it's very, very closely 57 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,800 related to that. And then there's a couple of 58 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,600 other martial arts styles that are also very closely related. 59 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,360 But it's like a family or a group of very small number of 60 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,360 martial arts and then everything else is kind of a derivative or 61 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,320 an offshoot of those. Yeah, I'm, I'm. 62 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,040 You're speaking to another. I've been studying martial arts 63 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:12,880 since I was seven years old. I'm 45 lifelong. 64 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:18,040 I mean, I've studied from. I did a bastardized version of 65 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,400 Kempo Karate when I was growing up and then did Taekwondo, did 66 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:27,120 Wing Chun for about 9 years and then got into MMA styles like 67 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,720 Muay Thai and all that one. But I did get to practice with a 68 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:36,920 lot of Shura Khan and Kyukshin Karate stylist and I it's 69 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,080 exactly that like looking into your style. 70 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:44,600 I I know that style too. So hard, so brutal, but so like 71 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,760 actually usable. It's not flash, it's just the 72 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,360 body is hardened and it just gives you such amazing 73 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,360 character. I mean, I could see that from 74 00:03:54,360 --> 00:04:00,840 the amount of of detail that you put into your work and that's 75 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,840 just a direct correlation to that one I would imagine so. 76 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,320 Absolutely, yeah. And I don't think I would be 77 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,800 able to do the work I'm doing today if it wasn't for, you 78 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,040 know, the life's worth of learning experiences that I had 79 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,480 from the Dojo and just learning how to overcome challenges and 80 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,880 obstacles. I mean, my black belt test, you 81 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,079 know, it takes about nine years or so to get a black belt in our 82 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:23,440 style. And my black belt test was 14 83 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,880 hours long and it was spread across three days and all three 84 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,560 days that we trained. I ended up losing 10 lbs. 85 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,960 Most of it was water rate obviously, but I was still 86 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:36,400 drinking 2 to 3 gallons of water and still losing 10 lbs of 87 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,240 weight. So just to give you some context 88 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:43,160 here, this is an opportunity to actually demonstrate and 89 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,040 showcase how the will of an individual can can go a lot 90 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,120 further than the physical body wants to go. 91 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:53,240 And so the goal or the purpose in that exam is to break you 92 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,600 down to the point where you can't physically go on and the 93 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,920 only thing that you can do is keep believing in yourself and 94 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,880 keep pushing yourself and mind over matter type of thing. 95 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,920 You eventually breakthrough to the other side and you realize 96 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,880 that you're a lot stronger than you thought you were in all the 97 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,560 moments leading up to that point of physical failure. 98 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,320 The goal is to encourage that point of physical failure so you 99 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,760 can dig really deep and try to find what is beyond that point, 100 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,400 man. That's amazing. 101 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,920 That's. No, I I one. 102 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,320 Hell of a journey, it sounds like. 103 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,680 Yeah, I I I can completely relate. 104 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,720 You know when I, I grew up during an era where martial arts 105 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:32,080 was truly martial arts. Like the padding on the floor 106 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:35,120 that I had was a concrete floor that was just painted on that 107 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:39,080 was smooth and the protection is you don't want to get hit in the 108 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:40,880 groin, then don't get hit in the groin. 109 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:44,880 It was truly to train you to utilize the martial art. 110 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,800 And I and I agree with you, A lot of martial arts these days, 111 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,640 you don't see a lot of martial artists. 112 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:54,680 Their younger generation, it's more of just steered towards 113 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,520 MMA, which is great in its own sense. 114 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:01,880 But when you look at it, the traditional, very, very 115 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:07,560 structured systems that are based on a lot of respect, not 116 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,840 only for your instructors but for yourself and for the system 117 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:16,200 and for those around you like it is is there something to be said 118 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:17,680 with it? It builds character. 119 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:21,120 I wish that there were more schools that built character 120 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,400 like that instead of being MC Dojos pumping out black belts 121 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,320 every September when you signed up in March. 122 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,680 It's just like truly like that. Like you said, I mean, it took 123 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,840 nine years to get up to even test to that. 124 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,760 The goal wasn't to sign up going mom, dad, you know, I'm going to 125 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,600 have my black belt and we'll have some cool display cases and 126 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,920 you can brag to your friends. It's not that at all. 127 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,840 It was truly about you and it defined who you are. 128 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:52,040 So, and I remember those times where, I mean, you'd be training 129 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,080 for it, it just seemed like forever. 130 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,880 And they're like, hey, cool. And then twice a year we'd have 131 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,040 a camp and that's three days straight. 132 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,480 It's just not like roasting marshmallows and finding some 133 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:06,040 cool lizards out there. It's like you're going to train 134 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,720 for morning until we can't see. And even by the sea it's going 135 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,560 to be by the fire. So man, a lot of respect for 136 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:14,520 that. That's says a lot about your 137 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:15,840 character. That's amazing. 138 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,120 And I was super excited. I see. 139 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,360 And it's like a family of martial arts. 140 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,600 I can imagine when you guys, if you guys have children, it's 141 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,360 going to be just it's it's just part of your culture now. 142 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,160 Is that something you and your wife still practice together? 143 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,400 We do occasionally. I mean, it's not as much as we 144 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,600 used to practice anymore. I'm really busy. 145 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,640 She's really busy. But we still make time for, you 146 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,720 know, it's really important for us to kind of keep that 147 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,080 connection, you know, alive and strong. 148 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,120 One of the things that I find follows me regardless of what I 149 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:48,800 do is that development of character. 150 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,280 You know, the things that I learned in the way that I 151 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,280 discipline myself and really the respect that I developed not 152 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,080 only for people surrounding me, but also for the style that I 153 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,320 practiced and realizing how much hard work it actually takes. 154 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,920 It kind of softens you as an individual at the same time that 155 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,040 it strengthens you. So you become a lot more 156 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,160 well-rounded. And I find that thing is 157 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,320 something that is integrated into me in all walks of life. 158 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,840 And how I do anything is how I do everything. 159 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,800 And it's that kind of approach that I think was really forged 160 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,920 into me as a young child to make sure it doesn't matter if 161 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,760 you're, you know, unloading the dishwasher or if this is like 162 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,080 the make or break kind of, you know, opportunity in life. 163 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,600 You have to give it your all in every single moment of your 164 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:29,640 life. Anything that you do and 165 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,440 everything that you do should be done with passion, and it should 166 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,240 be done with the kind of vigor that you know defines what a 167 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,840 black belt really is, that you know at the core of what it 168 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,480 means to be, you know, the heart and soul or black belt. 169 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,120 Amen. It sounds like you take that 170 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,080 heart and soul and passion into every part and every aspect of 171 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,680 your life at this point. What led you? 172 00:08:50,680 --> 00:08:54,080 Or like what was the initial passion that found like that you 173 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,360 found in rooted leaf? Well, you know, there's an 174 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,280 interesting story to be told about tea, I guess. 175 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:01,760 You know, I'm a big tea connoisseur. 176 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:06,080 Yeah, I was hearing. That some like 30 like $30 a 177 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,560 gram teas, 20 to $30 a gram teas, do you actually. 178 00:09:10,560 --> 00:09:11,280 Drink. That. 179 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,600 Yeah, yeah. You know, in some cases they do 180 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:15,760 get very expensive. I think the most expensive tea 181 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:20,360 that I have tried thus far is, is about $8 a gram. 182 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,400 And it comes from a very limited production region. 183 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,200 The total quantity produced is very small. 184 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,240 And these are typically teas that are reserved for 185 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:33,160 dignitaries that are traveling, like presidents, I think, I 186 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,920 think Richard Nixon and all the way up to Barack Obama. 187 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,080 You know, they would get tea when they visited China for 188 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,680 their political trips. They would get teas that come 189 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:43,400 out of this particular garden and some of the surrounding 190 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,720 regions as well. But you know the the types of 191 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:51,280 teas that I prefer to drink on a daily basis, these are Phoenix 192 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:52,800 Oolong. So it's a type of oolong tea 193 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,720 coming from a very small geographic region called the 194 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,480 Phoenix Mountain range and they happen to have the oldest 195 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,040 standing history of oolong production that's also 196 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,400 remarkably complex and intricate. 197 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,480 I feel like the manufacturing techniques associated with 198 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,120 making these teas represent 1000 plus your journey that humans 199 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,880 have been having, you know, in conjunction direct conjunction 200 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,120 with nature. Part of it is informed by their 201 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,920 breeding practices, which takes 20 to 30 years to select for the 202 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,080 corrected genotypes and the correct phenotypes. 203 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,160 And then there's also this fine tuning of processing techniques 204 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:26,680 that are applied. And in some cases the teas may 205 00:10:26,680 --> 00:10:31,400 take upwards of one year just to finish making and then they rest 206 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,280 for another two to three years before they're actually ready to 207 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:35,240 be consumed. So. 208 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:40,800 Isn't even the curing process. That's just like because the 209 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,960 resting I'm guessing is the curing stage then that you're 210 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,200 talking about or is that a separate like is that kind of 211 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,720 inclusive all together in the curing stage? 212 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:51,200 Yeah. You know, there's various phases 213 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,880 to the manufacturing process. Initially the, the initial 214 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:58,560 stages could take anywhere from a few months up to maybe 8 to 12 215 00:10:58,560 --> 00:11:00,920 months at most. And then that you know, 216 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,000 additional two or three years could just be a curing process 217 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,880 to allow the tea leaves to kind of mature into the techniques 218 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,840 applied to them. Because a lot of times we'll 219 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,320 you'll apply these techniques and then for the next six months 220 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:15,280 the constituents of the leaf will continue to transform and 221 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:16,880 change. And really what you're looking 222 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,800 for is a particular spot along the progression of the the 223 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,960 transformation where you can drink the tea and you get kind 224 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,680 of the maximum of, you know, all of its potentials. 225 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,320 Yeah, I just barely started roasting my own coffee beans and 226 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,320 it's kind of very similar in that stage of like like all the 227 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,240 degassing stage. And after that, there's like 228 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,320 perfect stages of within the developing flavors of when to 229 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,680 drink That and every day is almost like different flavors as 230 00:11:42,680 --> 00:11:44,800 it develops and changes and progresses. 231 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:50,160 So I can imagine with teas, I worked for Teavana for a few 232 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,680 months in a really rough time period years and years ago, and 233 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,080 that was like my first introduction to loose leaf teas. 234 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:01,320 And I was just like, Oh my gosh, this is a whole nother world 235 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,800 instead of just like cheap little tea bags from the store. 236 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,080 Like way different level of. Yeah. 237 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:10,040 Do you ever go slumming on those types of teas or you're like no, 238 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:14,200 my my appreciation and and level of consumption is a little bit 239 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:14,880 higher. Yeah. 240 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,960 Do you ever go like poor kid chips with rum and break it up, 241 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,080 you know, and it's, it's tea bag tea, you know? 242 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,040 Not, not really. Not these days. 243 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:26,320 And you know, I try to maintain a fine balance between being a 244 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,360 snob and being a connoisseur. I guess it's like a really fine 245 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,800 line between the two of them. But you know, as far as the 246 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,360 overall price points, I mean I drink teas that are inexpensive, 247 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,320 that are affordable for daily consumption. 248 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:39,680 But I also try to seek out teas that are relatively unique. 249 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,840 One example would be like in in the Phoenix Mountain region, in 250 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,960 general, there's mother trees that are several 100 years old. 251 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:50,280 And the way that they're propagated is farmers will come 252 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,360 in and take cuts, very limited number of cuts get propagated 253 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,080 forward. But when you take those cuts and 254 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,760 you populate, you know, another garden full of those cuts, you 255 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,240 may have to wait 20 to 30 years before the tea tree is old 256 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,480 enough for it to be harvested and processed and picked. 257 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,560 So you know if you can get the mother trees, those are very 258 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:09,240 expensive because there's only one tree of those in the entire 259 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,160 world. They happen to be several 100 260 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,920 years old and the total amount of tea produced from them 261 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,600 oftentimes is less than £10 per year. 262 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,640 And I would say you know unless you know somebody in the 263 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,200 innermost region and who has a very strong network with multi 264 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,600 generational farmers, it's very difficult to access authentic 265 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:32,120 mother tree productions and they can cost upwards of $5 a gram if 266 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,160 not more. I think the oldest if I recall 267 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:38,840 correctly back in I think it was 2006 or maybe it was 2016. 268 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:42,320 But the oldest tree on Phoenix Mountain, which is around 700 to 269 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,240 800 years old, the tea leaves were auctioned off and I I think 270 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:50,240 they sold for $500 a gram. Holy cow. 271 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,160 Have you experienced any of that before? 272 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,000 Nothing like that. And to give you guys some 273 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,560 context, I need about 7 grams to make one pot of tea. 274 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,280 So 500 bucks times 7g. You know, it's a little bit too 275 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,920 that's. An expected. 276 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,800 Product. That's right. 277 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,440 Yeah, yeah. And it's, you know, it's 278 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,120 something that you have to kind of become soft wired for. 279 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,160 You got to drink a lot of tea in order to appreciate the kind of 280 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,320 nuances and subtleties that really old trees can convey. 281 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,680 Because it's not. Some of the flavor profiles 282 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,040 aren't quite in your face. I mean, for some of these teas, 283 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,600 don't be wrong. You can smell the tea from 1520 284 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,600 feet away and it's like this explosive bouquet of, like, 285 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,240 flowers and fruits and it's just the most amazing thing. 286 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,440 But a lot of the old trees, they're they're a lot more 287 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,000 subtle. They won't punch you in the 288 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,240 face, but they'll creep up on you like an edible you weren't 289 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,640 feeling an hour and a half ago, and then all of a sudden you're 290 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,840 just like, whoa, this is crazy. It definitely has that kind of 291 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:52,080 psychedelic aspect to it. So with that said I mean you 292 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,640 know on our show we we we completely understand what 293 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,040 you're talking about. You know after years of 294 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:02,600 consuming cannabis on a very, on a on a level of not like let's 295 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,920 get highbrow like it's very about what what's the intent 296 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,560 that we really have for this plant and the respect we have 297 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,760 for it. And over the years like it's not 298 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:16,040 just burning plant to us just like it's not just Gray Earl tea 299 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,360 for you. It's you can taste the nuances 300 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,600 and and you can really understand even through the 301 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,520 quality of it like what that growth cycle must have been. 302 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,960 Like what kind of care went in and the nutrients that were 303 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,720 given to the plant in order to produce the highest quality that 304 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,440 you're getting at that moment 'cause now like we were just 305 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:40,160 joking around about slumming and having some ramen style you know 306 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:44,080 tea bag which it means affordable is totally you know 307 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,600 you're you're using affordable tea. 308 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,400 But I'm saying like over there it's in a box. 309 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,520 We don't know how long that's been sitting on a shelf or in a 310 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,800 warehouse. Like all these things take into 311 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,520 account like I found cannabis in a little tube that I'll put even 312 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,560 its airtight. It'll be there for over a year, 313 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,840 it'll be OK, but it's still not appreciated as when you really 314 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,760 know the steps that have gone through. 315 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:12,760 And so when you talk about I can pick up on subtle tones with 316 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:17,440 like these really older Tees that are very complex and it it 317 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,920 creeps up on you like like an edible. 318 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,400 When you said that I just started, I'd started laughing at 319 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:25,080 my ass. That's like you know we know 320 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:30,840 that feeling and to experience that through tea that is very, 321 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:35,960 very unique and in that way where you just have to know and 322 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,240 and I mean from we have so many different people that listen to 323 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:45,720 us from cultivars to your end consumer and it's appreciated. 324 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,840 It really is appreciated and that's where you know I think 325 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,680 about what you are doing now and and the complexity of going into 326 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:55,520 it. Brandon, you know what are some 327 00:16:55,520 --> 00:17:00,320 of the things as I mean I know you got but so our audience 328 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,960 knows a lot about Brandon's past as far as getting into the 329 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,400 cultivar side of cannabis and understanding that. 330 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,680 But I know you got a lot of questions based on that. 331 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,560 Yeah, I'm just curious, explain to the audience a little bit 332 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:16,800 about rooted leaf, what it is that rooted leaf is what it is 333 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:21,920 that they do? OK, so rooted leaf Agrotech is a 334 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,800 manufacturer. We make carbon based 335 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,960 fertilizers. We've been in business since 336 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,200 April of 2019. And the idea, the idea for 337 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,160 rooted leaf initially came around as kind of a combination 338 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,000 of a variety of different experiences that I had in life. 339 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,240 The first was obviously tea like we just talked about. 340 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,160 Then I started fermenting tea and making kombucha and I 341 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,920 realized that during this fermentation stage or process, 342 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,880 there was a remarkable amount of change that occurred, you know, 343 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,080 between the parent material being tea leaves and perhaps 344 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,840 cane sugar and water. You combine the three of those, 345 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,360 let the microbes do their thing, come back 10 to 14 days later 346 00:17:56,360 --> 00:17:59,080 and it's a completely different product altogether, got 347 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,600 different physical properties, different chemical properties. 348 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:07,160 So I became really intrigued by this process of transformation. 349 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,840 How microbes in particular are capable of changing things 350 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,960 around. So at that time probably, you 351 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,680 know, 2010, 2012, I had a small kombucha brewery and I was 352 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,920 exploring this. And then I ended up getting 353 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,640 hired at a company, chemical manufacturing Company here in 354 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,960 Washington state. And I worked there for maybe a 355 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,840 year or just over a year. And my job there was to help 356 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,960 them do some formulations work. So I went in and I kind of took 357 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,800 a look at some of the recipes. I didn't have much experience in 358 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:38,800 industrial chemistry at this time, but I had a deep passion 359 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,280 for it and an underlying understanding on on the 360 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,440 fermentation side at least, of how transformations in chemical 361 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,960 systems can occur. So I was really intrigued to 362 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,120 explore this. Ended up spending a little bit 363 00:18:49,120 --> 00:18:52,880 of time there and realizing in in terms of synthesis, chemistry 364 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,760 and making stuff. Order of operations is just 365 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:58,160 remarkably critical. You can take 10 different 366 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,880 ingredients, combine them 100 different ways, and 99 of those 367 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:04,920 waves will break. And the one final way that 368 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:09,080 actually works, you know correctly who produces a product 369 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,600 that's stable. That is a combination of some 370 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,960 very detailed steps. You know, like some of these 371 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,000 steps can involve particular temperatures. 372 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:19,720 You know, you have to add this product into that product. 373 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,320 You can't go the other way around. 374 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,600 Sometimes it's the temperature thing and it's a time in terms 375 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,880 of rate of addition thing. So there's all of these 376 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,840 different steps in the process than most people would overlook, 377 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,400 right? It's just as simple as adding 378 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,400 ingredient A into ingredient B, but that couldn't be further 379 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,080 from the truth. You have to understand all of 380 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,760 the physical properties of what is A and what is B, and then try 381 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,280 to figure out how did they interact with each other. 382 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:45,840 Do you want that reaction to happen very slowly so that you 383 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:47,480 can create a very consistent product? 384 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,360 Or do you want it to happen very quickly, in which case it might 385 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,960 break entirely and the formula's no good anymore? 386 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,360 And I think that kind of. Experience. 387 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,000 Like at the different temperature you know is it, Then 388 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,800 you have a whole different compound you're working with 389 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:02,200 too. Exactly, exactly. 390 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,440 So time, temperature, rate of addition, pH, there's so many 391 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,840 different properties to measure that ultimately have an impact 392 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,760 on the creation of this product. So I did that. 393 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,880 I became really inspired. And then in 2014, Washington 394 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,200 State legalized the recreational cannabis industry. 395 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,960 And so, you know, at this time now I have experience with 396 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,440 fermentation chemistry and I've got experience in industrial 397 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,880 chemistry, synthesizing compounds and doing a little bit 398 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,360 of synthesis work. And I just felt like it was a 399 00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:33,480 natural fit for me to transition into the cannabis side of things 400 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,080 because I've been a passionate cannabis enthusiast for a very 401 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,720 long time. Initially going back to the 402 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,960 medical days here in Washington about 2008 or 2009, I started to 403 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,280 get involved a little bit on the cultivation side, although it 404 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,160 was never really a big grower. And you know, I just started 405 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:53,240 meeting people kind of exploring the plant a little bit more and 406 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,320 realizing that everything that I was passionate about with 407 00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:00,200 fermentation chemistry was mirrored in the cannabis plant. 408 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,400 And I always had this burning underlying passion kind of 409 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,560 explore, you know, how did the plant get here? 410 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,160 How did we end up to, you know, in a spot where the profile of 411 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,240 terpenes and cannabinoids is what it is and looking some at 412 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,680 some of the underlying mechanisms behind that. 413 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:18,640 So that, you know, led me about 2014, two, 1015 to start looking 414 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:23,760 at plant nutrition. And ever since then, you know 415 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,720 we've been doing this work which we now described as a carbon 416 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,600 based fertilizer. Obviously, when we initially 417 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,440 started, it was more difficult for us to characterize what 418 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,040 exactly we were doing. And fortunately, we've learned a 419 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,400 lot along the way. And now we're in a position 420 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,760 where we have a pretty good understanding of how this 421 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,480 technology works, what exactly sets it apart and I'm super 422 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,200 excited to talk to you guys about that. 423 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:45,800 That's amazing. Yeah. 424 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,520 So take us through say like your carbon based fertilizer, say we 425 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,000 have a plant, say we have Blue Dream for those growers at home, 426 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,280 very simple to grow, very high yielding. 427 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,640 A lot of those beginner growers might start with something like 428 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:03,680 that introducing say your carbon based fertilizer versus a normal 429 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,440 fertilizer. What would you see as far as 430 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:10,720 like structure changes or growth or even like massive benefits 431 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:15,160 from the carbon birth based versus that understand? 432 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,600 From what I understand you have a great analogy by using the, 433 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:24,600 the a car all the way down to its chassis of how your actual 434 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,440 like take take us through that because that's it's probably by 435 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,760 far the best explanation of it because it's really easy to 436 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:34,440 break it down and you understand that it's everything comes from 437 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,680 the nutrients and how it's actually going to build a very 438 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,720 strong platform if you will, right. 439 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,160 So real strong yielding, high yielding plant take it, take us 440 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,040 through that. Yeah. 441 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,240 And I guess the underlying premise of a carbon based 442 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,000 fertilizer and the reason that works so well specifically for 443 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,520 cannabis is because most of the compounds that growers are 444 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,640 seeking to produce, the monoterpenes and the 445 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,400 cesspoterpenes and obviously the cannabinoids, those are roughly 446 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,800 80 to 90% carbon by weight. In fact, all of the monoterpenes 447 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:09,480 like Mercene, pionine, limonene, they're 90% carbon by weight and 448 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,640 all of the cannabinoids are 80% carbon. 449 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,520 So in reality, if you want to get more cannabinoids, as you 450 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,120 want to get more terpenes out of your plants, you really have to 451 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:19,160 try to figure out a way to feed them more carbon. 452 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,880 And now traditionally the way that this this has been done is 453 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,160 to inject CO2 gas into a room that's sealed. 454 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,560 And growers who have done this before, all of them will attest 455 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,520 to this. As soon as you increase the CO2 456 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,920 concentration to the plants, they start responding much 457 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,960 better. They they increase their yield, 458 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,360 they increase quality. There are morphological 459 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:41,920 differences that change, such as the surface area of the leaf 460 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,640 becomes a lot bigger, the plants just grow faster. 461 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,920 They seem to transition between the various stages a lot faster. 462 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,000 And the thing that I want to point out here is that carbon is 463 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,080 a macro nutrient for crops. In terms of how much is taken 464 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,600 up, we often times just look at nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, 465 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,560 the Calmac, micronutrients, so on and so forth. 466 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,200 But these elements actually represent a very tiny percentage 467 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,520 of what plants will ultimately accumulate. 468 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,720 In fact, you could take all of the NPK Cal mag. 469 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,120 So you can take all 17 elements that you'll find in a 470 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:15,720 conventional salt based fertilizer, take that number, 471 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,360 add them all together, multiply that number by 5 and the plant 472 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:22,520 still has accumulated more carbon than all of those. 473 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,640 So it really cast things into a different light to say well the 474 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,680 thing that plants are trying to do more than anything is utilize 475 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,280 all of these elements like nitrogen for example as a means 476 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,800 through which they can capture more carbon. 477 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,480 And as I've built out this analogy of a car engine over the 478 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,640 past couple of years, it's it's something we've been working on 479 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,800 for a few years now. And I feel like the analogy is 480 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,400 at a really good place now where we can kind of blow it up a 481 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,160 little bit, take a look under the hood and see what exact 482 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,080 exactly is going on. One of the high level examples 483 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,280 I'll give you guys is that 90% of the nitrogen that you apply 484 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,680 to your plants, actually more than 90% of the nitrogen becomes 485 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,960 either chlorophyll which is that green pigment or becomes an 486 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,480 enzyme called Rubisco. And Rubisco has one job and 487 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,160 that's to take CO2 out of the air and convert it into a a 488 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,640 plant available form of sugar effectively. 489 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,520 So it's the very first enzyme involved in this dedicated step, 490 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,360 and it's a little bit ironic in my perspective how most of the 491 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:21,840 nitrogen you apply towards your plants actually goes towards 492 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,480 capturing carbon, right? Because chlorophyll takes light 493 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,320 energy. What's that light energy used 494 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,800 for photosynthesis? Rubisco operates to take CO2 out 495 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,280 of the air, using that light energy to create sugars. 496 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,760 And if you become deficient in nitrogen, one of the first 497 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,160 places that you can look is towards the leaf surface and see 498 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,160 if it's yellow, for example. It's an indication that the 499 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,800 plants are deficient in chlorophyll. 500 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,120 They don't have enough of that green pigment, so it's ironic 501 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,600 that a deficiency in nitrogen is actually the exact same thing as 502 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,520 a deficiency in carbon. The plants have a bottleneck in 503 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,240 that carbon. So this is a high level, easy to 504 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,160 understand type of example, specifically as it relates to 505 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,560 Nitrogen. That's incredible. 506 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,800 Yeah, 'cause even. I mean, like we joked at the 507 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,880 beginning, I made this horrible investment or expensive 508 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,320 education. And in that I read the Oakster 509 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:15,120 Dam University's growers handbook from front to back, 510 00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:16,680 just because it was like, oh shit. 511 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,720 You just invested a bunch of money, yeah. 512 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,520 Like I need to really like, I know at least. 513 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,480 OK, I in my mind I felt like I knew nothing about cannabis in 514 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,040 relation to a lot of people. I probably knew a lot about 515 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:34,000 cannabis, but that wasn't anything for me in relation to 516 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,880 Ki just dropped $100,000. I need to figure out what the 517 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,600 hell I'm putting this money like into and really understand it on 518 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,120 every level that I can. And so I sat down with that and 519 00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:47,280 I read it and it was like even just that discussion of like 520 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,080 nitrogen and like all the oxygen, every every mineral, 521 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,560 every like thing that goes into that plant. 522 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,120 But when you're understanding that the real like end goal and 523 00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:00,600 that really is just changing a lot of that to carbon or really 524 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,920 pulling in more carbon. And even on understanding on a 525 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,680 basic level like looking at trees and then looking at the 526 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,240 cannabis plant and cannabis pulls out like four times more 527 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,720 carbon than like trees, isn't it. 528 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,360 So you like that little plant is reducing or pulling in massive 529 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,600 amounts of carbon. So wouldn't like that sounds 530 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,080 like it is its end goal like feeding it more carbon. 531 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,320 So having a fertilizer that is based or you know in that has 532 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:33,520 more of the nutrients that it's actually looking for that seems 533 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,240 like a supercharged soil almost. Yeah, yeah. 534 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,160 And it's a little bit, there are some differences which we'll get 535 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,120 into a little bit. But the idea is that, you know, 536 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:46,000 we understand plants, all of the activities that that the plants 537 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:50,160 participate and revolve around capturing carbon or storing 538 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,640 carbon or somehow utilizing carbon, whether it's taking in 539 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:57,440 energy from the sun to make sugars or doing something as 540 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,840 specific and nuanced as making a mono terpene out of the 541 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,440 accumulated pools of carbon. And you're right when you say 542 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,160 that there's some reduction that has to happen because CO2 in the 543 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,800 air is in an oxidized form. It's got the oxygen molecules is 544 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:11,640 attached to it. The plants don't really care 545 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,080 about that. Really what they're trying to do 546 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,120 is break the oxygen apart from the carbon and then use that 547 00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:17,960 carbon. And in this process of 548 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,120 converting the oxidized forms of carbon that are in the air into 549 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:25,880 the reduced forms of carbon that are perhaps the mono terpenes, 550 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,160 Right. Because mono terpenes are just 551 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,280 carbon and just hydrogen. They have no oxygen inside of 552 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,360 their structure. Some of the oxygenated ones do 553 00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:36,360 obviously. But you know the the, the, the 554 00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:39,240 thing I want to try to convey at large is that plants use the 555 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,440 power, the reduction power generated through photosynthesis 556 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,760 to capture that carbon and then to store it and then to utilize 557 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,920 it for certain things like the biosynthesis of secondary 558 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,240 metabolites. So really what we've done is 559 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,920 take a carbon centric approach to creating fertilizers to say, 560 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,120 look, every element that we have in our product line has to be 561 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,920 fundamentally connected to carbon because then when it's 562 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,120 delivered into the plants, there's no energy expenditure 563 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,000 that's required. We're doing the chemical 564 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,000 reduction of that carbon through fermentation chemistry and then 565 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,920 creating chelates and complexes that deliver those minerals like 566 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,000 the NPK, calcium and magnesium in the most ideal forms. 567 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,440 And one of the examples I can give you guys for that is when 568 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,600 we manufacture our calcium chelate, we're fermenting orange 569 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,080 peels because as everybody knows and most growers will tell you, 570 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,840 calcium is component of thick cell walls. 571 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,600 So if you have more calcium, the plants form thicker cellular 572 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,600 structures. Well, if you look at an orange 573 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,080 peel, it's just basically a really, really thick cell wall 574 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,280 and it's full of pectic acid residues which as it turns out 575 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,600 all plants utilize pectic acid to complex calcium. 576 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,560 Shove that into the cell wall and then that's their that's one 577 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,240 of the basis for their cell cell wall components. 578 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,280 By fermenting the orange peels, what we're doing is taking those 579 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,000 pectic acid residues that are naturally present in very high 580 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,040 concentrations and then running a chelation reaction with 581 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,440 calcium so that when we're delivering that calcium chelate 582 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,080 to the plants, the plants are taking up something that they 583 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,800 recognize it's biologically relevant for them. 584 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,120 They look at the calcium, they look at the pectic acid, and 585 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,480 they have mechanisms internally, enzymes that can attach directly 586 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,760 to these molecules and make use of them right away. 587 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,720 There's no energy expenditure. The reduction power is already 588 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,880 stored in those bonds. So when plants take up our 589 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,640 nutrients, they experience a net gain in energy, which leads to 590 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,240 an increased productivity and yield. 591 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,360 Even if you don't have a sealed flowering room, you don't have 592 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,640 to have a sealed flowering room anymore, because we can put as 593 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:39,480 much carbon as is found in about 5000 PPMS of CO2 in the air, but 594 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,240 inside of a liquid medium. So we're loading carbon from the 595 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,920 inside out rather than the outside in. 596 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,480 And the focus now for us becomes how do we increase transpiration 597 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,800 potential for the plants? Because the faster we can get 598 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,080 the plants to take up the feed water, the more carbon they're 599 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,840 ultimately going to be able to access. 600 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,160 And so this transpiration pump is really a key focus of the 601 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,880 carbon based chemistry in our products. 602 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,000 Yeah, there's like trying to match the certain levels of 603 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,200 everything so that it can grow at its most optimal form, 604 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,200 basically. So as a layperson like I'm, I'm 605 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,120 wondering like does that like increase the the growth cycle, 606 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,360 the the, the time? Does it shorten it you? 607 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:18,600 Mean. Yeah. 608 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,880 Does it shorten it? Yes, it can. 609 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,520 In most cases, we've seen a decrease in the overall time 610 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,560 spent in flowering without a decrease or a reduction in 611 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,920 quality or yield. And I often attribute this to a 612 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,600 lot of stressors that get in the way of plants performing at 613 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,360 their peak levels and their optimum performance. 614 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,880 It's just a natural law in biology that there's always 615 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,400 going to be 1 limiting factor. There's always going to be 616 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,840 something that the plants need a little bit more of to maintain 617 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,840 an equilibrium. It doesn't matter how much 618 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,680 nitrogen you have, if you're deficient in phosphorus, you can 619 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,960 add as much nitrogen as you want. 620 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,240 It will never correct that phosphorus deficiency. 621 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,800 But when you add in more phosphorus, all of a sudden that 622 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,080 doesn't become the limiting factor. 623 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,640 Now instead of phosphorus, your limiting factor may be magnesium 624 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,320 and so you have to look at adding magnesium. 625 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,320 And so all of these things have to be very tightly coordinated 626 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,240 together and then delivered to the plants progressively so that 627 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,840 they don't experience bottlenecks that are, you know, 628 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,720 reasonable. I think if the bottleneck itself 629 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,400 can be the intensity of the sunlight or the ability of the 630 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,600 dehumidifiers to pull moisture out of the air, that puts the 631 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,560 stress on the external factors that are not in. 632 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,160 The environment, yeah, no longer the plant and that. 633 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,960 And that's, that's what I initially learned through all of 634 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,080 that study was like, oh shit, this guy who's growing is not 635 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,360 doing anything of this. There is nothing that's being 636 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,600 tracked. And I was like, what are we 637 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:39,800 doing this? What are we doing with this? 638 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,400 What are we doing with this? What are we doing with this? 639 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:46,320 And the guy's like, crickets, so. 640 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,560 Yeah. And I I think about that cause 641 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,800 like when you're talking about decreasing the time for full 642 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:57,360 yield, but on top of that I'm just thinking about like you're 643 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,680 taking a lot of the complexities and you're being able to utilize 644 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,400 all of the nutrients in the waters that are going in there. 645 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,280 So a big problem with a lot of growers is the usage of water 646 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,640 like when I got involved he made the investment and he's like 647 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,400 hey, I don't think these guys really understand business talk. 648 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,280 Can you talk to him and when I just. 649 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,240 Started business at. All, yeah, business at all. 650 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,920 It's. Him on as like the CEO and that 651 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,440 would be a good idea. Well, 'cause I came from the 652 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,280 supply chain and manufacturing world at that time. 653 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,160 And so I was like, OK, well, cool. 654 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,760 I need to know your water usage, your power usage. 655 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,080 You know what? What's your nutrients you're 656 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,680 putting in the ground? What's the cost on your 657 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,920 nutrients? And and where are you getting it 658 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,920 from? Is it a trusted source that at 659 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,520 the time there was a a grower out there that they had to 660 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,760 recall a bunch of their cannabis products because everybody 661 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,920 started getting hepatitis? Yeah, it did some horrible thing 662 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:48,680 out there. Yeah. 663 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,760 And I was like, what the? Crap. 664 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,920 I mean, who? Who knows what they were using 665 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,400 for fertilizer at that time? And that's I think that's a big 666 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,840 misunderstanding for many growers, especially when they're 667 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,000 getting into it and even some of the larger grows, they kind of 668 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,680 treat it like it's just tomatoes and you can just do is whatever 669 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,880 you get over at Walmart and saying, hey, yeah, that's going 670 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,440 to give me the best shield. But when you were talking about 671 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,080 the color of the leaves, I remember one of those times 672 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,159 where we got pictures back from this grower they invested into 673 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,320 like the yellowing of the leaf and they're like, oh, it's 674 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,199 probably just too close to the lat. 675 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:27,000 And it's like that's that that it just like when you talked 676 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:32,480 about that, it's it's literally like foundation medicine within 677 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,600 us humans. Like if we are deficient in one 678 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,600 thing or another and we run a lab report on it, it'll tell us 679 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,679 like hey you're low in testosterone, you're low in in 680 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,159 vitamin D you have low sodium. I mean and those things matter 681 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:52,239 and adjusting them accordingly helps to level things out. 682 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:56,920 And it sounds like it this is like a super dense nutrient food 683 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,560 that plants are able to just get the most out of and you said you 684 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,800 have a line of products, is that right for different types of 685 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,840 plants with that? Yeah, we have a full product 686 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,200 line. There are 9 distinct 687 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,200 formulations, but there's eight products. 688 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,120 So one of them is a two-part base nutrients and they're all 689 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,440 incredibly fine-tuned specifically for cannabis, but 690 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,560 they work phenomenally well on other crops as well. 691 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,560 It's just the use rates may change and the timing of 692 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,960 application may change, but the form factor of those products 693 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,840 represents the most biologically relevant form of those elements 694 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,720 that are inside of the bottle. Like I mentioned with the 695 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:34,400 calcium for example, fermenting the orange peels in particular 696 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,320 lets us really deliver basically like a 99% complete cell wall 697 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,440 for the plant. It doesn't have to do any work 698 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,520 anymore. All that has to do is take it 699 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,280 and it actually releases energy within the plant because once 700 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,880 the production power is opened up in the plant that powers the 701 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,560 plants processes. So in a in a strange way, the 702 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,920 electrons that flow through the electron transport chain during 703 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,680 photosynthesis are actually identical to the ones that are 704 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,520 captured in our products. And So what we've seen is also 705 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,000 that there's a decreased need for highlight intensity as well 706 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,560 because the electron energy which is captured in the form of 707 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,440 reduction power is stored in the chelates that we make. 708 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,560 It's physically present in those molecular bonds as potential 709 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,080 energy. And then plants have these 710 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,120 enzymes, they've got these tools and the ability to go and maybe 711 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,360 cut up some of those compounds, break them down into simpler 712 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,440 compounds. And it's during the breakdown 713 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,360 process that the potential energy becomes released as 714 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,200 kinetic energy and that drives metabolic processes that 715 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,440 typically the plants would have to absorb energy from the sun in 716 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,440 order to power. But now we have this advantage 717 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,080 of them being able to actually take it up directly from the 718 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,120 feed water and access the power of the sun as it's stored 719 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,600 through the fermentation chemistry and delivered through 720 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:49,240 the actual feed water. I think it's worth questioning 721 00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:52,600 too, like you were just talking about, you know, plants and car 722 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,520 engines are actually remarkably similar in their underlying 723 00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:58,520 mechanistic principles. In order for a car engine to 724 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,000 produce horsepower and torque, you need spark, you need air and 725 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,760 you need fuel. Those are kind of like the basic 726 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,600 components and you start to build out a system around that 727 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,240 with the intake and the exhaust. You start looking more 728 00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:12,120 specifically at like the strength of the spark carried 729 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,440 through the plugs themselves, the amount of air and fuel, and 730 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,280 really the ratio between the two of them to prevent the engine 731 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,360 from running rich or running lean or dry. 732 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,160 I should say plants are actually exactly the same way. 733 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,280 Their spark is the sunlight. Their air, quote UN quote, is 734 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,080 the carbon that comes in from the air. 735 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:31,600 And then their fuel is water, because as we all know, plants 736 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,640 take up water. They split water molecules 737 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,440 apart, they convert them into electrons and protons which each 738 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,680 get funneled down to their respective metabolic pathways, 739 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:44,000 and then molecular oxygen, which we learned in kindergarten. 740 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,040 Plants breathe out, humans breathe in and we released the 741 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,520 CO2 back to the plants. So this is the kind of 742 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,640 underlying principles and obviously car engines producing 743 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,560 horsepower and torque, plant engines actually produce primary 744 00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,720 and secondary metabolites. It's a really good way of 745 00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:02,120 thinking about horsepower and torque and what is the 746 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,160 measurement of the flow of power in a car engine? 747 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,080 Will it's horsepower and torque and the same measurement applied 748 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,240 to plants as primary and secondary metabolites and for? 749 00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:14,920 Cannabis come out with cannabis is like terpenes and 750 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,360 cannabinoids. Yes, yes. 751 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,800 The terpenes and cannabinoids represent the flow of power 752 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,560 through the plants. These are very high energy 753 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,760 molecules. They require a lot of energy, 754 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,680 which is exactly why you need to highlight intensity and direct 755 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,760 light intensity. No one ever won any cups or got 756 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,280 any awards as a result of shade growing a plant under very low 757 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,960 light and only watering once a week. 758 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,640 You know the the the intensity associated with these molecules 759 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,200 is captured in their the rates at which they are accumulated 760 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,880 and the more intense your grow environment. 761 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,000 In other words, the more intense your air, spark and fuel are, 762 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,680 the higher the performance that you're going to achieve. 763 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,960 In other words, more cannabinoids and terpenes your 764 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,960 plants will be able to cause. As long as your ratio matches 765 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,760 and it fits, you can increase that. 766 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,320 You know spark gas and feel like you can increase all of those as 767 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,120 long as the the ratio is perfect and it matches what that plant 768 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,120 needs. And it sounds incredible because 769 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,480 what it sounds like to me is this, this fertilizer basically 770 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,680 allows the plant to not work as hard in some aspects and put 771 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:25,480 more of its energy into growing bigger and probably healthier, 772 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,080 meaning that it's going to fight off more things. 773 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,520 I would, I would imagine naturally, just because it's no 774 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,680 longer putting so much energy wasted in trying to convert or 775 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,680 do these things that are not necessarily necessary processes 776 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,600 when they have the fertilizer and the nutrients, you know, at 777 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,040 the correct ratio. Yeah, yeah. 778 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,600 I mean, you're 100% right about that. 779 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,680 Just like a car engine operates, plants are very similar. 780 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,080 So imagine you crank up the light intensity in your guru, 781 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,840 but you don't increase the strength of the fertilizer. 782 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,560 The plants will quickly become deficient. 783 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,360 Let's say you increase the light intensity and the fertilizer 784 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,000 load, but you don't increase the CO2 concentration. 785 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:04,960 Same thing. Now. 786 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,640 There was a bottleneck there. Now let's back up one step. 787 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,960 Suppose you did not increase the light intensity. 788 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,920 What if you just fed them a lot heavier and you cranked up the 789 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,000 CO2? Your results would also be 790 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,920 limited because there's not enough spark that's there to 791 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,440 combust this combination of stronger feed with. 792 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,680 You're going to burn rich or yeah, you'll run rich or you'll 793 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,400 run lean. So exactly. 794 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,400 Someone way or the other, your end product won't be ideal 795 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,840 because it won't, it won't ever be that perfect level if those 796 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:37,600 ratios don't match. So that's yeah, that's 797 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,720 incredible, I think. Yeah, and we know it was talking 798 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:43,880 about with the fermented orange peels and and what that it's 799 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,080 ultimately doing by being able to give it more calcium rich, 800 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,520 strengthening the plant. Like in my mind it went all like 801 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:55,200 marvel, like how the cells are like the biting and everything 802 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,800 like that. When he was describing that and 803 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,320 then thinking about the calcium is creating this like stronger 804 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,560 exoskeleton to really protect the plant from a lot of, I mean 805 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,480 and that's kind of a question I have there is this through this 806 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,560 nutrient, through your, through your product, is this able to 807 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,920 help the plants be stronger and being able to fight off against 808 00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,480 like pests? Yeah, absolutely. 809 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,120 And there's two halves of that approach. 810 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,160 One is just treating carbon like a macronutrient because as it 811 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,360 turns out, when plants have additional substrate pools, they 812 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,160 can afford the production of certain molecules. 813 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,800 I actually created the analogy of a bank account, a Chemical 814 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,560 Bank account. You know, imagine you go to the 815 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,200 store and you have a $10 to spend. 816 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,360 You're trying to get a variety of ingredients to make your 817 00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,000 sandwiches. So you have to buy your bread. 818 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,640 You have to buy your meats, cheeses, sauces, little 819 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,240 accoutrements here and there. Plants are the exact same way. 820 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:47,840 They too have reduction in power that they build up and put 821 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,320 inside of a Chemical Bank account. 822 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,120 And they use that reduction power much like we use dollars, 823 00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,480 except instead of buying, you know, sandwiches and ingredients 824 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,480 for sandwiches, they're trying to effectively access minerals 825 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,720 and nutrients out of the soil. They want to convert the 826 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:03,120 nitrogen, so they have to spend a certain amount of energy on 827 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,440 that. They need to fight off the 828 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,840 disease pressure. So there's a huge tax that's 829 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,400 placed on their bank accounts, if you will. 830 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,160 It's very expensive for the plants to deal with certain 831 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,520 types of disease pressures. And if you increase the 832 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,320 substrate pool available for them to spend, they can start to 833 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,880 have all these expressions that they typically wouldn't because 834 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,600 they don't have enough money. They're being taxed by having to 835 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,720 process too many nitrates or too many sulfates or too many 836 00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:28,360 synthetic fertilizers. All this stuff robs the plants 837 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,800 of their energy pools that they progressively build up 838 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:34,680 throughout the day, which is why when you deliver our products, 839 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,160 because there's no, because the reduction power is captured in 840 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,120 those bonds, the plants can automatically utilize that to 841 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:44,480 ward off disease pressures by producing secondary metabolites 842 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,880 with almost no tax. I mean it's it's like you work, 843 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,960 you know, through the day and you put a certain amount of 844 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:51,760 money in your bank account, let's say every week or every 845 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,520 month. Imagine if someone came in and 846 00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,960 just gave you an extra $1000 a week and said spend this on 847 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,120 whatever you want, but it has to improve the quality of your 848 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:00,960 life. It has to give you a stronger 849 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,840 structure. It has to give you a better 850 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,640 foundation. It has to smooth out the rough 851 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,520 bumps for you in your life. This is exactly what happens 852 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,120 with the plants. You give them the additional 853 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,800 reduction power and they are capable and they certainly do 854 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,040 generate more compounds. But on a on a more microscopic 855 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,960 level, the basis of this sort of effects all plant expression 856 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,040 down to the DNA. So we actually see the gene 857 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,200 expression increase significantly, not only the 858 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,240 overall concentration of terpenes and cannabinoids being 859 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:32,600 higher, but also the breath and the death. 860 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,560 And we see these terpenes come out and test results that are 861 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,280 typically very rare and very conserved in cannabis. 862 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,040 So now there's this additional layer of complexity because the 863 00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,160 plant has this extra energy. So it says, well, let me turn on 864 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,400 this pathway. And now there's this synthase 865 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,040 enzyme that's responsible for producing A terpene that 866 00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,160 typically is just kind of in the background hanging out, doesn't 867 00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,280 get much attention, doesn't get much activity. 868 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,160 But in an environment where the plants have access to a surplus 869 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,440 of energy, now you have all these other ancillary enzymes 870 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,160 coming in and they start participating in the process of 871 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,040 taking the substrate and creating a compound out of it. 872 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,960 And that's where we start to see the increase in the breadth and 873 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,680 the depth of the terpenes. I mean huge difference in the 874 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,880 overall flavours and aromas that are captured in the plants and 875 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,080 really their ability not only to resist disease but also to hold 876 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,240 a really long cure and a really long shelf life with no 877 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:25,360 degradation to the terpenes or cannabinoids whatsoever. 878 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:26,960 That's when. Yeah. 879 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,000 I was curious with that because as you were talking about that, 880 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,960 it really just sounds like you said a wider expression of 881 00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:36,520 terpenes and cannabinoids. And for everyone who understands 882 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,640 the entourage effect, that truly just means like a better 883 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,640 experience. So do you living in Washington, 884 00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:47,040 do you grow your own at home or do you grow your own, maybe even 885 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,080 commercially like? Not anymore. 886 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,760 I like to live vicariously through other people's gardens. 887 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,880 I mean, I have a small garden in my backyard every year. 888 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,200 I'll grow like fruits and vegetables and I have a chance 889 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,880 to see how our products work there. 890 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,360 But it's been a couple of years since I've grown cannabis and. 891 00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,960 Do you have? Friends who are utilizing your 892 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:08,600 soil that you I'd just be very curious like the experience of a 893 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:11,800 side by side comparison because I would wager that products 894 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,000 grown in rooted leaf would have a much better experience. 895 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:20,120 Even from like if I were to pop 2 seeds one pot next to each 896 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,040 other and have one standard like soil or whatever, I'm using UN1 897 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,040 rooted leaf. I think that entourage like I 898 00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,680 think it would be a much more complete experience with that 899 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:33,440 rooted leaf one. I'm just curious, how often like 900 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,760 do you get to sample that? Yeah, we're fortunate enough to 901 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,320 have friends that are local to us here in Washington state that 902 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:44,760 we do a lot of really good work with. 903 00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,160 A couple of these guys have been working with for a few years and 904 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,920 they've definitely provided very valuable feedback and 905 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,000 information that initially is a little bit theoretical. 906 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:55,880 I'm just thinking to myself, like, hey, I wonder if I 907 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,040 fermented orange peels, if we could see a better translation 908 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,720 of calcium being fed to the plants versus calcium that it 909 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,520 actually becomes deposited into the cell walls, right? 910 00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,000 Because it's one thing to just have it in the soil or to have 911 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,760 it dissolved in your feed water, but it's another thing entirely 912 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,520 when the plant starts taking it up and starts acting on the 913 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,440 calcium in a way that makes it relevant for its both primary 914 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,520 and secondary metabolic purposes. 915 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,640 And and some of the things that we've theorized and hypothesized 916 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,480 in the past, we're now through the good work that we're doing 917 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,760 with our close friends, not only here in Washington but certainly 918 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,720 across the US We have a number of people that are testing in a 919 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:33,640 variety of different climates. And it's nice to start to see 920 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,360 very consistent pieces of feedback come in not only 921 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,520 anecdotally in terms of what the growers are seeing. 922 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:40,520 Some of these differences are like, hey, my plants are 923 00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:44,320 drinking 20 to 50% more water even though I'm in peated drinks 924 00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,000 faster than the comparable set up in rock cool. 925 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,200 I mean plants literally go through wet, dry cycles that 926 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:52,800 fast as a result of the way that our products work. 927 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,240 But also on the test results themselves, we see fractions of 928 00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:01,640 terpenes and particularly furnishing is 1 to one example 929 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,560 of a terpene that typically we don't see very high 930 00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,600 concentrations of until people start using our products. 931 00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,200 And then all of a sudden, it just becomes almost a dominant 932 00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,720 terpene, in some cases, harnessing. 933 00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:14,480 Yeah, yeah. It's a cespraterpine that's 934 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,200 produced kind of gives like Jasmine flowers, their floral 935 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,880 aroma. It's also involved in the 936 00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:23,160 aromatic profile of apples. So a lot of times, it's kind of 937 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,920 like this sweet, fruity, floral kind of thing. 938 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,200 And there's a very good reason why that occurs. 939 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,320 That has to do with the way that our products work. 940 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,040 But you know, to kind of answer your question more directly, 941 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,440 there's there's effectively 2 halves of what we're doing. 942 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,560 One is this advanced approach to looking at carbon like a 943 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,440 macronutrient. This is where the advanced 944 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,400 chemistry comes in. We're starting to actually look 945 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,400 at individual elements, individual atoms of carbon, and 946 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,800 figure out how to fit them within the dynamics of these 947 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,400 plant engines, both primary and secondary metabolism. 948 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,160 And then on the flip side, totally opposite but still 949 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,320 dovetailing imperfect. It's this like leopard skin 950 00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,560 loincloth wearing jungle shaman that's using four dozen species 951 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,600 of plants and their extracts to create this holistic nutrient 952 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,080 profile. So we do work with four dozen 953 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,760 species roughly of plants. There's, you know, 3/4 of them 954 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,920 are terrestrial plants, 1/4 of them are aquatic plants. 955 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,680 We've got red kelp, green kelp, brown kelp, single celled algae, 956 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,600 all of which we're extracting in house. 957 00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:24,080 We have very specific portions of plants, like we're using a 958 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,040 organic Matcha that's produced in the Uji region of Japan, very 959 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,640 high quality Matcha, but it's just the powdered green tea 960 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,080 leaf. In some cases we're using just 961 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,720 the orange peel for example, or when we're making silica skin, 962 00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:40,400 we use just the pistols of the safflower plant. 963 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,520 And so they look like little strands of saffron. 964 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,720 But you know, the point I'm making here is that we're not 965 00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:47,680 using the whole plants. We're using very specific and 966 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:51,080 isolated portions of the plants because those portions contain 967 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,560 very valuable compounds for us. An idea basically here is that 968 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,440 these plants have been used for thousands of years already for a 969 00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,520 variety of different reasons, everything from pharmaceutical 970 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,040 and therapeutic all the way to industrial and textile 971 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,800 applications. In some cases these plants have 972 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,840 been used for over 6000 years and so we understand that they 973 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,240 have this long standing history with humans for a very long time 974 00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:15,600 and what we're trying to do is repurpose the compounds that 975 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,200 they produce into the context of agriculture. 976 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,960 We're asking this question of hey, we know this is a plant 977 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,320 based medicine. It's been used as medicine for 978 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,560 thousands of years to heal the human nervous system. 979 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,600 I wonder if there's some analogy, some metaphorical 980 00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:31,040 equivalent that we can make. Maybe instead of just healing 981 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,720 the human body and the human nervous system, I wonder if we 982 00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:35,800 can heal damaged and degraded soils. 983 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,440 Where I wonder if we can improve the quality of life for all of 984 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:43,320 the soil microorganisms, macro organisms such as worms leading 985 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,400 all the way up to the food chain, to the human that 986 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,520 consumes the flower at the very end of the of the cycle. 987 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,000 So there's this, there's definitely this like plant based 988 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,400 approach that we're taking and the use of all these plant 989 00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,920 extracts I feel allows us to create a chemical environment 990 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,880 that is significantly richer than any living soil that's ever 991 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,000 been present anywhere on earth. I mean most of the living soil 992 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,880 blends out there, they'll have maybe 12 to 15 ingredients. 993 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,480 Most of them are animal byproducts. 994 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,600 We don't use any animal byproducts at all. 995 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,240 You can give us a clean slate of just peat and perlite maybe with 996 00:50:15,240 --> 00:50:18,040 a little bit of cocoa mixed and and after one full round of 997 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,240 using our products that is now a living soil with dozens of 998 00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:24,120 species of microbes with a perfect physical and chemical 999 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:29,040 properties and it has this very rich orchestra of plant 1000 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,560 extracts. You have all of these different 1001 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,680 compounds produced by so many different species of plants that 1002 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,680 would never be found in nature but they yet here they are 1003 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,920 inside of the soil. So of course the plants will 1004 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,160 respond to it as they grew through the soil. 1005 00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,520 They find the ginkgo leaf. They find the Jasmine. 1006 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,440 They find stevia extract. They find hibiscus green, they 1007 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,120 find all these compound licorice fruit extract that is in our 1008 00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:51,920 root anchor. It's. 1009 00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:56,800 A very diverse, like genome of plants. 1010 00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,000 Yeah, that's wild. Some of these plants have 1011 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,680 different purposes, like the licorice root that we extract. 1012 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,560 We're bringing in whole and we're extracting it. 1013 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,080 Licorice roots, as it turns out, produce saponins. 1014 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,360 And for those of you who are familiar with surfactants or 1015 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,400 saponins you may be familiar with, like Yucca and Kilaha, 1016 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,240 these are some of the more common saponins that they're 1017 00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:17,480 used. But even some of the synthetic 1018 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,760 surfactants, they effectively just modify the way that, you 1019 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,800 know, oxygen behaves and also water specifically, they have a 1020 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,600 tendency to make water wetter, quote UN quote as it's 1021 00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:28,480 described. But what we figured out was 1022 00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,680 licorice roots also have saponins. 1023 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,760 These saponins, due to their molecular structure, can 1024 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:38,280 actually capture huge amounts of oxygen inside of their molecular 1025 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:39,880 framework. So when we water in this 1026 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,840 licorice root extract, it delivers dissolved oxygen to 1027 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:45,800 root hairs, which is fantastic for the operation of the roots 1028 00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,960 because they behave just like human lungs. 1029 00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,360 They need oxygen in order to breathe and to run their 1030 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,160 metabolic activities. What we also found about this 1031 00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:55,680 licorice root, which I find very interesting, is that it's an 1032 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,240 incredibly powerful stimulant for beneficial fungi. 1033 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,480 So we used to put fungi, mycorrhizal fungi, inside of 1034 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,560 root anchor. But we eventually cut it out 1035 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,800 entirely because we noticed that licorice root is such a powerful 1036 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,040 biostimulant for fungi that whatever fungi you naturally 1037 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:14,040 have present either in your soil or in your air, in the 1038 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,520 surrounding environment, those fungi become so stimulated that 1039 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,280 easily. Within 24 to 48 hours, you'll 1040 00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,760 see the mycelial networks literally explode in the soil. 1041 00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,040 You'll see these white fuzzy hairs growing all through the 1042 00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,240 medium, and then the fruiting bodies pop up. 1043 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,600 Within 48 to 72 hours, we've seen the fruiting bodies of 1044 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:35,800 these mushrooms just explode out of the soil, which is fantastic 1045 00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,360 sign of balanced living soil chemistry. 1046 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,680 It's very healthy. Holy cow, that's insanely fast. 1047 00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:42,920 That's. So cool. 1048 00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:46,960 I you know when when I'm hearing you talk about this and and you 1049 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,120 talked about your background like you didn't come from a 1050 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,880 chemistry background you were just passionate about this. 1051 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,320 Am I right or are you did you go to college or all these other 1052 00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,080 things or or kind of take us through that because it sounds 1053 00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:02,240 like based on your history and and what led up to to rooted 1054 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,840 that it's almost like it it was always meant to be because it 1055 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,640 just everything fit into place. I could imagine your R&D time to 1056 00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,760 develop your products you have now was not as long as many 1057 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,280 other ones 'cause you already have this background with 1058 00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:21,120 fermentation in in industrial chemistry like yeah, how did you 1059 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:26,160 how did you get into this? Yeah, it's a personal passion of 1060 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,080 mine. I did go to college, but I 1061 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,800 didn't graduate, so I dropped out. 1062 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,840 You know, in hindsight's always 2020. 1063 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,000 I probably would go back and and finish, you know, an advanced 1064 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,600 degree nowadays if I could. But back then I was just really 1065 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,400 excited about the opportunity to start a business. 1066 00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:47,400 And I specifically dropped out of college to pursue the 1067 00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,320 Kombucha brewery itself. You know, never really got too 1068 00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,040 big. At most I was making probably, 1069 00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,240 you know, 55 gallons a week of Kombucha, which for most people 1070 00:53:55,240 --> 00:53:59,120 it's, you know, quite a lot. But in the grand scale of, you 1071 00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:02,440 know, where kombucha is at right now, 55 gallons a week isn't 1072 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,520 really that much. But it still gave me an 1073 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,480 opportunity to, you know, be my own business owner, be an 1074 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,880 entrepreneur. I learned from my mistakes. 1075 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,120 I learned a lot from that one experience. 1076 00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,960 And then certainly as I move forward through the industrial, 1077 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,080 you know, chemistry, I kind of took what I learned from 1078 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:21,040 Kombucha, applied it to that business, learned a lot more. 1079 00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:24,200 And now I'm applying everything to this business. 1080 00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,720 And you know, we're doing really well. 1081 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,120 The formulations themselves are based on a kind of chemistry 1082 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,160 that not a lot of people even know exists or even understand 1083 00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,720 its relevancy in agriculture. So we we have to come up with 1084 00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:39,040 these manufacturing processes from scratch. 1085 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,600 We don't have any toll blenders. We didn't pay anyone to come in 1086 00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:44,640 and formulate these products for us. 1087 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,200 This is entirely from scratch. This is kind of like my 1088 00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:48,840 intellectual brainchild if you will. 1089 00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,760 And over the years we've been refining the way that these 1090 00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,000 products are made. And along the way, we've hired 1091 00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:57,080 some chemical engineers to come in and just to review the 1092 00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,800 processes and give us their input as far as, like which 1093 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,480 equipment, you know, pieces would be best with what hardware 1094 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,560 would be best for us to continue scaling this process up. 1095 00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,960 And every single time we bring somebody in, they always scratch 1096 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:10,600 their head and they're like, there's no way this is going to 1097 00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:11,920 work. Like there's no way you guys are 1098 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,520 actually making this. It's impossible. 1099 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,960 And I just, you know, kind of look at them and I say, well, 1100 00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:21,600 buckle up, What you know to be true about standard chemistry, 1101 00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,360 industrial chemistry is perhaps just one perspective, one way of 1102 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,440 looking at things. And if you change your 1103 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,960 perspective and look at things from a slightly different way, 1104 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,400 you can start to build out a process by which the creation of 1105 00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,440 these types of products is in fact possible to achieve. 1106 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,320 And that's kind of where we're at right now. 1107 00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:44,640 So with that, can you go back? And when you really saw this 1108 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,720 take shape and saw the difference, like where you've 1109 00:55:47,720 --> 00:55:51,160 got these chemists just classically trained, and I'll 1110 00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,680 call them classically trained chemists because they've been 1111 00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:57,040 given these walls? Like, here's this is the bounds 1112 00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,120 that you can travel in. And you can't really go outside 1113 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,240 of it because this is what academia has said and this is 1114 00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:07,760 the practices we use throughout any other type of company. 1115 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,520 When you change that up and just start going, I'm gonna use my 1116 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,320 background in fermentation. Like, what if we did this? 1117 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:18,120 It wasn't like this is the way you're like, Nah, the 1118 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,880 entrepreneurial side said. But can we do it differently? 1119 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:24,560 One of your first experiences of seeing, you know, let's take a 1120 00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,440 cannabis plant. Like when you saw that, I mean, 1121 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,080 what was what was that like for you to be able to just absolute 1122 00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,520 excitement for you and for somebody who's growing it and 1123 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,880 they're looking at it going, holy shit, this is nuts. 1124 00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,880 Yeah, yeah. And that kind of aha moment came 1125 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,240 with a very early version of solar rain, which is our foliar 1126 00:56:44,240 --> 00:56:45,960 spray. It's magnesium based foliar 1127 00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,040 spray and initially at the time, what I was trying to do was 1128 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:52,000 create a form of magnesium that could fit directly into 1129 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,040 chlorophyll biosynthesis. So there's seven or eight steps 1130 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,360 involved in chlorophyll biosynthesis, and one of those 1131 00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:00,680 steps involves the insertion of the magnesium ion into the 1132 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,240 porphyrin ring that sits at the dead center of chlorophyll. 1133 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,280 So this is the actual part of the chlorophyll molecule that 1134 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:10,640 absorbs photon energy and becomes excited, thus initiating 1135 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,560 the electron transport chain. It's magnesium that's tethered 1136 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,400 in the dead center of this. The photons hit the magnesium 1137 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,880 ion, and then that's where all the beauty and magic happens. 1138 00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,960 So I was just trying to rack my brain because I was looking at 1139 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,000 all the ingredients and I, you know, I saw magnesium sulfate 1140 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,400 and magnesium phosphate and magnesium nitrate. 1141 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,120 And that's not at all how plants work. 1142 00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,960 There's just so many steps in between those forms which burned 1143 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,400 the conventional fertilizers and the final form factor that 1144 00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,960 plants utilize magnesium in that to me it indicated the gap or 1145 00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,880 the distance between the two needed to be closed a little bit 1146 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,320 so that we could create a product that was more digestible 1147 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,600 for the plants, more biologically relevant for them. 1148 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,240 And the aha moment came when we did foliar sprays of a very 1149 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,080 early version of solar rain and noticed that the plants respond 1150 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,520 within a matter of minutes. I mean, the response we know 1151 00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:04,800 nowadays happens instantly because the chelates are so 1152 00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,480 small that they can freely pass through cell walls. 1153 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,360 All of the chelates that we make their less than 10 carbon atoms 1154 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,320 long. These are like high octane race 1155 00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,080 fuel that gets injected directly into the sites of primary 1156 00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,120 metabolism. The moment that plants get them, 1157 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,080 they begin using them. The gene expression starts to 1158 00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:23,200 become upregulated, more chlorophyll can be made and 1159 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,000 within a matter of minutes you'll see a noticeable change. 1160 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,280 I always tell people, I always challenge people to pick a plant 1161 00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,400 that doesn't look so healthy, find the one that's off from the 1162 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,400 corner little bit yellow, not drinking too fast. 1163 00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,040 Give it a spray of solar rain and I can't tell you how many 1164 00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:40,240 times people have come back that following day and looked at that 1165 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,320 plant and thought for themselves, there's no way this 1166 00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,880 is the same plant. There's just no way that this 1167 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:45,480 that's. Insane. 1168 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:48,840 Well, I have a quick question then 'cause you might have an 1169 00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,560 idea. I get I I have plants around my 1170 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:56,520 house and I get every once in a while when I buy a plant from 1171 00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:02,360 the store that has gnats and then they will spread and fuck 1172 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,600 all my other plants. Is there a product of yours that 1173 00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,800 works really well for that? Yeah, you know, most of the 1174 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,640 products, they're designed in such a way to deliver carbon 1175 00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,240 that strengthens the immune system. 1176 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,200 So we're not trying to impart a Part 2. 1177 00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,360 We're not trying to override what the plant naturally wants 1178 00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,720 to do. So if you give your plants, 1179 00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,520 depending on the species of plant, whether it's the house 1180 00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:28,640 plant or a cannabis plant or anything like that, yeah. 1181 00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,880 So these various house plants, they've all got different 1182 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,680 molecular strategies, if you will, for how to defend and ward 1183 00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,040 off certain disease pressures. Fungus gnats may be a little bit 1184 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,000 more benign than something like aphids or mites, but there's 1185 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,840 still a little bit of a nuisance for the plants. 1186 00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,880 And so when you give our products to those plants, 1187 00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,400 they're going to take that excess carbon and find an 1188 00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,760 outlook for it in the form of that secondary metabolite. 1189 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:54,200 So they'll effectively end up creating their own mechanism or 1190 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,320 their own pathway to better resist the fungus gnats and in 1191 00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:00,960 most cases what we find when you can't get rid of the actual 1192 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,280 fungus gnats. The plants end up establishing 1193 01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,920 an equilibrium where they're not affected by the presence of the 1194 01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,360 fungus gnats at all. There's no loss in the rate at 1195 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,280 which they grow. There's no loss in the compounds 1196 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,040 that they accumulate. They just literally are capable 1197 01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,240 of dealing with them with no tax or draining of the energy. 1198 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:20,800 Yeah. Because it's not. 1199 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,040 They have enough added energy from the extra compounds that 1200 01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,760 are in that carbon that they're not being really hurt. 1201 01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,480 Like you said, that energy tax isn't being used for fighting 1202 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,840 off that. Yeah, and we have seen certain 1203 01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,960 cases. This is true of some of the 1204 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,760 terpene test results that we get back from customers. 1205 01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,240 Cannabis plants naturally produce a terpene called nerola 1206 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,680 doll, and it's specifically for thrips. 1207 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,160 So when your garden is full of thrips, you know, thrips, if I 1208 01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,680 had to pick one bug to have in my garden, it probably be 1209 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:50,680 thrips. They're very benign. 1210 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,880 They kind of just mess with the leaves, You know, they're 1211 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:56,440 they're kind of there without really damaging the plants in a, 1212 01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,400 you know, very significant way. But what I've seen over the 1213 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,440 years is that the concentration of nerolidol produced by plants 1214 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,040 is sort of proportionate to the concentration of thrips and 1215 01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,840 white flies that exist on the leaf surface. 1216 01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,360 And you know, that's an example of where you give your plants 1217 01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,480 more carbon. They'll naturally produce more 1218 01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,160 neuralidol because they understand through their plant 1219 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:19,120 receptor systems that they have thrips that they need to deal 1220 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,720 with. Whereas if you had a fungal 1221 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,560 infection like downy mildew or powdery mildew, instead of 1222 01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:26,200 nerolidol being produced, you might find the plants produce 1223 01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,200 more limonene because limonene is a compound that exhibits 1224 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,800 phase toxicity to the exoskeletons of bugs and also to 1225 01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:35,480 the cell walls of fungi. So when they understand that 1226 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,920 they're being attacked by that specifically try to up regulate 1227 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,600 the biosynthesis of this terpene versus that terpene that does 1228 01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,400 that kind of make sense? Yeah, that's incredible because 1229 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,640 yeah, the plants really just utilizing those nutrients to go, 1230 01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,440 hey, I need to fight this or I need this because this is what 1231 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:56,240 is dependent on like my environment is having this. 1232 01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,360 So it sounds like the plant, if it has the ability and the 1233 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,760 energy is incredibly smart on its own and can almost self 1234 01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:07,560 fight these if it has the initial health and you know 1235 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:12,280 energy, nutrients and fertilizer that it needs to kind of combat 1236 01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,000 that. It's exactly what you said. 1237 01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:18,080 I mean, if it has the right the way that I I mean, I'm hearing 1238 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,360 this is the same as our body. Yeah, exactly. 1239 01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:23,760 Because if we have the right nutrients, we have the right. 1240 01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:27,760 If our homeostasis is where it needs to be, it's able to fight 1241 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,320 off bugs. Like, you don't think about 1242 01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,080 that. Look, a typical layperson's not 1243 01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:34,800 thinking about that with their plants, right? 1244 01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,200 Going, Oh yeah, if it had better nutrients, if it had more 1245 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,000 carbon, then it's able to produce these terpenes. 1246 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,840 And the terpenes are like these defensive, the being able to 1247 01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,560 help strengthen it and being able to repel certain things or 1248 01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,920 bring in more things. Like that's just it's amazing 1249 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,400 how that works. The blown away just spraying it 1250 01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,280 on and noticing within a couple of. 1251 01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,440 Yeah, where he's like, oh, you can notice. 1252 01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,680 He had that change in. Coloration or like. 1253 01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,520 Crazy though, it it's just like a person, right? 1254 01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,160 You give him, if you give them something really, really 1255 01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:09,240 healthy, you can see it in their almost their pigment of their 1256 01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,000 skin, like, I feel better, they look better. 1257 01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:14,960 So that just goes to say with with growers within the 1258 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,560 cannabis, I mean you you're you're on, you're on pretty good 1259 01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,040 scale. You're all over the US right 1260 01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:21,800 now. Is that right? 1261 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:23,320 Yep all. Right. 1262 01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:27,080 Are you outside of the US or is it just AUS product currently? 1263 01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,960 We have customers in Mexico and in Canada and we're looking at 1264 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,160 doing some more international. We are a global show. 1265 01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:36,640 We are heard all over the world. Yeah, we're maybe. 1266 01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:38,720 Six different countries in the top 10 so. 1267 01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,720 We were just curious. Yeah, because it just sounds 1268 01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,200 like such AI mean literally. Like Brandon says, it's like a 1269 01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,800 miracle, this miracle nutrient that it. 1270 01:03:48,840 --> 01:03:51,640 Makes so much more sense 'cause even when I studied that 1271 01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:55,040 handbook for growers, it was it went more into like like the 1272 01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,360 balance, the ratio and that. But understanding the process of 1273 01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,560 where so much of its purpose is to convert most of that back to 1274 01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,880 carbon. Well, if you can provide it with 1275 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,440 those nutrients and things in the 1st place, it's not going to 1276 01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,000 go through all these extra steps and try and fight this stuff or 1277 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,800 do this like it's going to just have some basically food or feel 1278 01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:18,520 to grow into the best possible plant. 1279 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:23,480 Like this Seems like such a more direct method then even the 1280 01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,240 approach that I read and studied in that entire handbook. 1281 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,200 When you get more out of your yield, I mean you think about 1282 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,480 all of these growers out there and and and I'm sure you know 1283 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,640 this too, not all growers are equal. 1284 01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:40,080 You've got some ones that have the staff the knowledge to be 1285 01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:44,240 able to understand some elements of what you've discussed. 1286 01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,920 But from being able to have it where it's all a product that's 1287 01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:52,480 all in one, it's it's designed specifically for this and things 1288 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,600 that weren't even thought of before this is gonna be able to 1289 01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:58,920 help a lot of those growers producing. 1290 01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,920 Or even home grow. You think about if you're 1291 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,800 growing your own medicine at home and you're wanting to have 1292 01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,680 the best yield, the highest quality product, the best 1293 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,240 entourage effect because you've got the widest terpenes, 1294 01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:13,000 cannabinoids like, and it's taking out so much of that work 1295 01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,160 you're not worrying about crap. I need to worry about all these. 1296 01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,680 OK, well, if your plant, like you said, has all of this, like, 1297 01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,360 ideal stuff, all of this energy in this bank, well, it's not 1298 01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:25,360 having to go. Hey, I don't have energy for 1299 01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:26,800 this. I don't have energy for this. 1300 01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,400 I don't have energy for this. I don't have energy for this. 1301 01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,320 It's going to that bank going, hey, I've got energy for this. 1302 01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,720 I've got energy for this. Oh, sweet. 1303 01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:37,240 Let's build this new addition. Oh, let's do this like, I've got 1304 01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,720 energy for days. And I imagine this plant just 1305 01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:44,160 being so much like, a million times better. 1306 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,800 It's like the crap if you're putting fast food in your body 1307 01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:50,280 every day versus honestly, yeah, it might suck and it might be a 1308 01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,320 pain in the ass to figure out, but like the whole food diet, 1309 01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,400 like, I'm sure your body feels a million times better. 1310 01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:59,640 Well, and I really, really like is you know, on their website 1311 01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,720 when you're thinking about that, if it is a home grow, you can 1312 01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,760 get a court. If you're doing commercial, 1313 01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:09,880 you're going up to 5 gallons. The prices are extremely 1314 01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:11,760 reasonable. Or even reach out to him if you 1315 01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:13,760 need larger than that. I'm sure they have larger than 1316 01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:15,440 that options that they can work with. 1317 01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,120 That's great. You think about all of those 1318 01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,320 types of growers that I'm am so glad that you hit on that 1319 01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,880 Brandon. It's if you know that your home 1320 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,520 growers, you know, who knows what they do, if you're being 1321 01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,920 able to produce and and you're able to follow great process. 1322 01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,720 It's it's every grower. It was when we invested in that 1323 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:34,880 and realizing it wasn't just the grower. 1324 01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:37,080 Like that founder wasn't the grower. 1325 01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,040 He had a separate grower. So we had two guys who were 1326 01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:42,000 there who were supposed to be experts in it. 1327 01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:47,960 And yet when I went and read one book, one book past my knowledge 1328 01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,200 at that moment, none of the things that I asked, they 1329 01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,360 understood. None of the things I asked they 1330 01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,240 knew. And yet they could take 1331 01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:59,320 something as simple as your fertilizer and you can take the 1332 01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,480 average Tom, Dick, Harry and turn it into an amazing grow. 1333 01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:06,160 You're no longer having this Charlie Brown Christmas tree 1334 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,760 looking fuck in the corner. Grow and you're like, man, I 1335 01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,520 hope this gets me high. I hope this does what I want it 1336 01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:13,000 to. So you're over there. 1337 01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:15,520 Like I'm not sure I would smoke that. 1338 01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,640 Like you probably shouldn't consume. 1339 01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:22,200 That well I think about it I I get I'm actually really jealous 1340 01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,200 and and I'm just like I wish I knew more growers you know or 1341 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:29,400 even locally here are those that we we frequent are using this 1342 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:35,160 product yeah I mean I it's I know I am I am seriously blown 1343 01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:35,880 away here and. There. 1344 01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,120 So tell us, Nick. How can everyone find rooted 1345 01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:40,400 leaf? How can they get in touch with 1346 01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,040 you? How can audience get in contact 1347 01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:47,240 to check you out? Check us out on Instagram, the 1348 01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,680 rooted leaf, and if you send us a message, I'm usually the 1349 01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,120 person that responds, so I always encourage people. 1350 01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,400 If you have questions or if you want to learn a little bit more, 1351 01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,520 don't hesitate to ask. You know we're all on this 1352 01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,360 together and better you can understand something, the better 1353 01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,880 we all do as a community and kind of push things forward. 1354 01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,320 I do want to mention real quick too. 1355 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,960 The benefit for home growers primarily is that there's no 1356 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:15,880 longer a need to supplement CO2. If you're in a home grow 1357 01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,960 environment, you can crank up the light intensity by returning 1358 01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:22,040 a dial and you can give extra fuel to your plants by simply 1359 01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,040 watering them a little bit more. The hard part for home growers 1360 01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:27,359 has always been how do I increase the concentration of 1361 01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:30,520 carbon available to the plants because that requires A sealed 1362 01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,399 room. Now you have very expensive 1363 01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:34,800 build out. You've got air conditioners and 1364 01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,319 dehumidifiers. It becomes a little bit too much 1365 01:08:37,319 --> 01:08:39,600 for a home grower, but if you couldn't fit the equivalent of 1366 01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:44,319 5000 PPMS of CEO 2 into the feed water, your home grower will go 1367 01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:48,479 from small 12 to 24 inch plants to 5 foot 6 foot tall plants. 1368 01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,840 You'll shave the veg time in half, you'll save two weeks on 1369 01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,439 bloom and you'll get twice as much yield with an increase in 1370 01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,880 the overall quality. A lot of the home growers, they 1371 01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,840 really like the fact that you do not have to adjust the pH of our 1372 01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:04,000 products. It does come out acidic. 1373 01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:06,960 I'm not saying it's APH perfect, like it's always going to be 1374 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,960 5.8. We have growers using RO water. 1375 01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:13,479 The feed water mixture comes out to APH of four point O, which is 1376 01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,560 incredibly low. It's very, very acidic, but 1377 01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,600 that's 100% safe to apply to the plants. 1378 01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,680 You do not have to adjust the pH whatsoever. 1379 01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:25,080 In fact, we encourage people to not adjust the pH specifically 1380 01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,920 because of the way that our carbon based chelates work. 1381 01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,439 They operate very, very efficiently at extremely low PHS 1382 01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:35,160 and the nutrients themselves remain soluble from aph range as 1383 01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:39,520 low as it goes, maybe 3.54 point O on the low end all the way up 1384 01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,720 to about 8.5. We never see the feed water 1385 01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:45,479 mixture come out that high. But you know, over time as we've 1386 01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:48,600 run bench tests and stability tests, we've noticed that all 1387 01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,240 the chelates, they're capable of maintaining those elements in a 1388 01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:55,440 true solution, meaning there's no adverse chemistries in that 1389 01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:59,880 full pH range, 4 point O all the way up to about 8 point O 8.5. 1390 01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,200 Everything is 100% available to the plants. 1391 01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:05,280 You just mix it up, don't aerate it, don't adjust the pH, just 1392 01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,560 mix it up and water it to the plants and they're good to go. 1393 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,040 So, yeah, you know, we'll have questions. 1394 01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:13,520 Definitely reach out on Instagram. 1395 01:10:14,040 --> 01:10:17,200 And check out our web. We'll have his website and the 1396 01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:18,600 Instagram below too. Yeah. 1397 01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:23,160 And I I am man, I am. So I am blown away. 1398 01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,960 Like I'm literally so blown away because what you've ultimately 1399 01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:30,200 done, if you have made it easier for anybody to be able to grow 1400 01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:32,960 high, yield anything. And better quality. 1401 01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:36,080 Better quality. I I'm just you know when you're 1402 01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,600 describing these little tiny little plants that they'll grow 1403 01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:41,080 like I remember your little hemp plant that you get in the 1404 01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,240 backyard and that thing was tiny and the. 1405 01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:48,240 Problem was, if I had used his, it wouldn't have been discreet, 1406 01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,520 it would have been over the wall and everyone would have seen it. 1407 01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:55,400 So it's super. It's super fuel, dude. 1408 01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,720 It's it's seriously, it like makes it a mutant in the best 1409 01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:02,680 way possible. It's so I am just, I mean and 1410 01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:04,560 and I know, I know enough about it. 1411 01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:08,520 But just to hear from you and especially really appreciating 1412 01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:12,240 that it came from a passion like not only on the business side 1413 01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:16,040 but you're passionate about it through Kombucha that got you to 1414 01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:19,720 this point. And it's it's not saying like 1415 01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:23,200 well that can't be done going what else could we do from what 1416 01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,280 I already know what else can I apply to it. 1417 01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:30,520 And you have such a wide range of different products that are 1418 01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,400 specific for different types of what whatever you're trying to 1419 01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,160 be able to accomplish with your grow. 1420 01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:41,680 I I I would just be, yeah I I could see a massive 1 when I'm 1421 01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:45,920 thinking on the commercial grow side, I'm thinking amount of of 1422 01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:50,120 extra cost that's being able to be reduced just by utilizing 1423 01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:51,440 this. Oh, massive. 1424 01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:53,680 Like even the talk of carbon alone. 1425 01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,400 Like what is the cost of going and buying all of these carbon? 1426 01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:00,080 Like buying all of that carbon well and maintaining all that 1427 01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:03,520 and everything else. How many outdoor grows can 1428 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:07,120 become almost as good as some of these indoor grows even just 1429 01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:11,240 because it's so hard like that is a really tough thing to do 1430 01:12:11,240 --> 01:12:16,640 outside is to increase that carbon amount or like the the 1431 01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:20,000 plants need to get cause like in a sealed indoor environment you 1432 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,560 can increase the light, you can increase the, you know you can 1433 01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:24,640 increase all of that. You don't have any way to 1434 01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,120 manipulate the sun, you don't have any way to manipulate that. 1435 01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:32,280 So it's way harder to introduce like that carbon based thing but 1436 01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:38,640 in their fertilizer that becomes this incredible source to just 1437 01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:43,920 like get almost indoor quality grows from even outdoor grows or 1438 01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,840 at home grows. Like you said most people at 1439 01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,520 home aren't having a totally sealed environment that they're 1440 01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,840 hey, I've got this enclosed area I've got and they know here's my 1441 01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,640 CO2 levels, here's my like they're not measuring those. 1442 01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:58,440 They have no clue. Most of them have no idea. 1443 01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:01,880 Yeah, this is the reason why we wanted to bring you on 'cause we 1444 01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,080 just. Oh, and I didn't even understand 1445 01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,800 it to this level. So this has been incredible 1446 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,360 because it it just, it really opens the door for every 1447 01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:13,920 cannabis grower or those who are even on the fence about man. 1448 01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,920 You know, I've really been nervous to try growing because I 1449 01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:19,400 don't want to screw it up. I don't want to waste and have 1450 01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:22,720 all this time that in it, it doesn't turn out OK. 1451 01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:26,240 Well, if you can start from scratch with a fertilizer to 1452 01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:31,440 give that plant like the best suited option to grow the best 1453 01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:34,120 plant, like that's going to be your best thing. 1454 01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,520 You can grow that at home. You could grow that commercial 1455 01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,040 grade. You could do whatever scale that 1456 01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,520 you're doing with that and take it to the better like you're 1457 01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,320 growing such better quality. How many dispensers have we gone 1458 01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,160 to that it's like, yeah. Well, you can tell a difference 1459 01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,000 with the bud. I mean you can tell if they've 1460 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,800 been, if it's really been well cared for it like we've been 1461 01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:56,600 able to receive some from up around your area to Oregon and 1462 01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:01,200 Norcal and and just like you, you really are able to 1463 01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,280 appreciate when a cultivar is really taking that time. 1464 01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,680 But that's a lot of time and understanding and there's a lot 1465 01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:10,200 of screw ups that go in there. You know the one thing I would 1466 01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:14,160 think the gateway drug of using this for, those that are are 1467 01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:18,120 watching or listening get that solar range just thinking about 1468 01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,640 that. What if you have a plant right 1469 01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,840 now that you're working with whether you got like 5 or 6 or 1470 01:14:23,960 --> 01:14:28,440 way more than that, getting just starting out with solar rain and 1471 01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:31,480 say, look, I just want to see this like I'm really want to 1472 01:14:31,480 --> 01:14:33,480 test that. I I guarantee right from that 1473 01:14:33,480 --> 01:14:36,880 point that trigger will go off. Oh yeah, you'll be right back on 1474 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:39,880 that side by anymore because it's yeah, it. 1475 01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:43,720 Takes one time and you're sold. Yeah. 1476 01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,080 Particularly on the outdoor side like you were talking about, 1477 01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,760 carbon is always a limiting factor for plants growing out 1478 01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:50,520 there. So a lot of times when we do our 1479 01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,280 side by sides, it's not an incremental difference. 1480 01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:56,560 It's not like a 10% gain or a 15% gain. 1481 01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,200 You know, on the one hand with the salt based fertilizers, you 1482 01:14:59,200 --> 01:15:02,040 have plants that end up being about four to six feet tall and 1483 01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:05,800 then directly next to them, you know, same environment basically 1484 01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:09,400 with our products, those same strains taken off the same mom 1485 01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,240 at the same time, they're 12 to 14 feet tall. 1486 01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:16,240 And I always try to distress the people that it's impossible 1487 01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:18,560 unless you have a trained understanding, a really deep and 1488 01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,880 thorough understanding of how to identify a carbon deficiency in 1489 01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:23,200 a plant. Because if you give your plants 1490 01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,080 more carbon and they end up producing more terpenes and more 1491 01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,960 cannabinoids, it's a sign that the plant was deficient in 1492 01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:30,560 carbon. Just like if your plants are 1493 01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,760 yellow and you give them more nitrogen in the green backup, 1494 01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:35,760 you know the plants were deficient in nitrogen. 1495 01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:39,000 That visual feedback loop is not possible to achieve with carbon 1496 01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:41,000 because you can't look at those plants. 1497 01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:43,400 You can't look at a test result and say, God, you know, I only 1498 01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:46,800 tested at 4% terpenes, It's a sign of a carbon deficiency. 1499 01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:48,760 I could have tested at 5% terpenes. 1500 01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:51,440 Most growers don't know enough about the inner workings of 1501 01:15:51,440 --> 01:15:53,920 carbon metabolism to actually see that. 1502 01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:57,800 So the benefit with our products is we can hard wire, you know 1503 01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,760 just like an axle connects 2 wheels through the use of our 1504 01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:03,760 products with hard, hard wire the air and the fuel together so 1505 01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:07,400 that when you increase the fuel rate you can also increase the 1506 01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:10,480 air, the concentration of carbon available for those plants. 1507 01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:12,760 This creates an equilibrium between the two of them. 1508 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,120 And the only thing you really have to do is just change up the 1509 01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:17,800 light intensity and make it more intense And if the plants are a 1510 01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,080 little bit thirstier, give them a little bit more water. 1511 01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:23,920 Everything else underneath that within the the system is 1512 01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,640 hardwired and linked to the delivery of both the carbon the 1513 01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:30,920 plants are ultimately ineffably obsessed with. 1514 01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,640 They're even more obsessed than we are with carbon, somehow. 1515 01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:34,760 And. They. 1516 01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:38,120 Also utilize all of these elements specifically for that 1517 01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,720 purpose. It's a little bit, you know, 1518 01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:42,720 it's interesting because I feel like through this discussion 1519 01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,760 we've actually just kind of scratched the surface, if you 1520 01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:47,720 will. You haven't even actually looked 1521 01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:52,040 with the list to be an analogy of how nitrogen relates to an 1522 01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:55,440 engine mount, or how phosphorus is like the battery in a 1523 01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:58,640 superconductor or maybe a magnesium is like a specialized 1524 01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:02,560 spark plug in all these engines. Those are kind of the more inner 1525 01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:05,440 layers of this analogy that we've been refining over time. 1526 01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:07,840 And really as we've learned about how the products work, 1527 01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,360 we're capable of creating these analogies and having people 1528 01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,000 better understand what exactly is going on so that they too, 1529 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:17,040 even if they're just the average home grower, that they can hit 3 1530 01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:20,400 to 4 lbs per 1000 watts, which we see quite often at this point 1531 01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:24,400 above 6% terpenes on dry flour. No problem for a home grower. 1532 01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,920 It's the type of stuff that, you know, any commercial grower 1533 01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:31,000 would have to spend millions of dollars to actually properly 1534 01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,680 build out. And you know, like we were 1535 01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:36,320 talking about earlier, Solar Rain was kind of that first aha 1536 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:38,240 moment. And there was this underlying 1537 01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:41,560 theory that we had about how Solar Rain operated and what the 1538 01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:45,760 specific mechanism was, which then ended up flowing out into 1539 01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,920 the rest of the product line to be developed and designed. 1540 01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:51,400 And now all the products that we make, it's like 1 holistic 1541 01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:54,960 system that represents a carbon centric approach to plant 1542 01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,960 fertilizer and maybe more specifically from the individual 1543 01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:02,040 perspective of how those elements get metabolized and how 1544 01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:06,360 they're processed by plants, all in an attempt to capture carbon, 1545 01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:10,360 to store it or to move it around and utilize it somehow. 1546 01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,000 So there's yeah, there's definitely something and I do 1547 01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:16,360 want to mention too, we we, we created a coupon code for the 1548 01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:17,880 listeners. If they're if they use the 1549 01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:22,000 coupon code CANNABIS School all one word, it'll get him 20% off. 1550 01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:23,120 Dude. Oh. 1551 01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:24,360 Nick, thank you man. Awesome. 1552 01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:25,200 Thank you, man. Oh. 1553 01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:27,440 Yeah, that is you're. Welcome. 1554 01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:33,120 Oh man, this is so cool. OK, so go to rootedleaf.com. 1555 01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,760 You know, for anybody. Honestly, after listening to 1556 01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:43,240 this, this is probably by far the most exciting conversation 1557 01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:47,040 that we've ever had about nutrients in the soil. 1558 01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:50,760 Like we we had a guy we knew he's an ethnobotanist and. 1559 01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:53,400 He has his own living soil that he's created here. 1560 01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:55,920 He sells it around and that. But it's nowhere. 1561 01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,400 It's nowhere. It doesn't level, not even 1562 01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,400 close. And I've known this guy since I 1563 01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,320 was in elementary school and I've never had this level. 1564 01:19:03,320 --> 01:19:04,760 And he's the smartest guy in the world. 1565 01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:09,600 Just ask him. But you know, But seriously, I 1566 01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:13,760 we we love this. It just you have made this such 1567 01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:19,040 a complex idea of what plants actually do when they use the 1568 01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:23,640 water, the sunlight and the nutrients and the soil to such a 1569 01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,080 magical place. Like, honestly, I say that 1570 01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:30,520 wholeheartedly. This is magical if you are a 1571 01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:34,520 home grower. I mean, you got to get solar 1572 01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,920 rain, just give it a shot, put it on your plant and see that. 1573 01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,520 And then that's just going to get you addicted to the rest of 1574 01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:42,640 the line. If you're a commercial grower, 1575 01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:47,240 you need to be looking at this. I think about the reduction in 1576 01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:50,680 cost as far as everything else that goes in there and then the 1577 01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,560 margins that you have. And. 1578 01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:57,200 Quality and thinking down to the dollar price like the yield as 1579 01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:00,640 far as what you get the margins, I know you guys are operating in 1580 01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,200 a thinner margin. How would you like to expand 1581 01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:04,920 that one? By being able to reduce your 1582 01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,680 cost with your actual production this. 1583 01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:11,760 Is if you increase yield and decrease cost, that is also 1584 01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:13,880 increasing your margins. That's like a no brainer. 1585 01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:15,800 Simple. Yeah, but just to be able to 1586 01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:19,320 watch anyone hearing that, right, solar rain is just like 1587 01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:20,160 that. That's cool. 1588 01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,120 That's that conversion moment, right? 1589 01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:24,000 That's the baptism. Like it's. 1590 01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,160 Awesome. And there's there's layers to 1591 01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,480 the experience of cannabis flower that I feel like are 1592 01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:31,880 being removed in the pursuit of this very, very large 1593 01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:33,960 recreational industry that's nationwide. 1594 01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:37,400 You know people are getting used to mediocre quality of cannabis 1595 01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,640 and they forget there's entire layers of the experience. 1596 01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:42,320 One of them which is most profound with our products is 1597 01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:44,840 the after taste. There's a very distinct and it 1598 01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,840 it's not like a specific after taste that is present in every 1599 01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,400 single strain. But it's certainly flour that's 1600 01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:54,040 grown with our product line has a very depending on the strain 1601 01:20:54,040 --> 01:20:55,360 it'll have a different after taste. 1602 01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:58,840 But it's very distinct and unique thing. 1603 01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,960 And as soon as people identify that they can start to compare 1604 01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,200 that in some of the other examples of flour that they get 1605 01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,280 and they come back and they're like, you know what that tastes 1606 01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,760 like Salt. I can actually taste the salts I 1607 01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:11,400 have used in the environment. I've actually heard really 1608 01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:15,600 negative things about salt grown flowers. 1609 01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:21,800 There's a one of the content creators on social that we 1610 01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:25,200 follow and I had a discussion with her about it because she's 1611 01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:27,440 out in I think she's in Washington actually. 1612 01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:31,920 And she was talking about like salt based fertilizers and just 1613 01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:36,400 even the experience in like a salt based fertilizer flour 1614 01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:40,240 versus like even an organic grown one without the salt based 1615 01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:42,920 fertilizers. I was like that's interesting 1616 01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:46,080 but it was actually more of like a negative experience even from 1617 01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:51,520 the salt based fertilizer. And so I'm just very, very blown 1618 01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,440 away just, I mean with the wide range of products that have come 1619 01:21:54,440 --> 01:21:59,040 out even for cannabis across the years and even in the last 1020 1620 01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:04,800 years, how drastically it has changed, you know, I see I 1621 01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,640 haven't heard of any negatives from what he's told us is in 1622 01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:11,280 there, you know, and there's nothing in there that it's 1623 01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,040 looking at and going it's magic. Sauce. 1624 01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:14,680 Yeah, that's. Literally what it's like. 1625 01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:17,480 I'm like, oh shit, it's like, you know, Space Jam, you got 1626 01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:20,840 Magic Mike's special sauce or whatever. 1627 01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:22,320 And I. Don't know where you were going 1628 01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:25,120 there, but I mean, yeah. Space Jam it's just. 1629 01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:29,200 Dude, I honestly, I know, I I seriously agree with you. 1630 01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:33,080 But like, it's just it it's that crazy to hear this from you 1631 01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:36,320 because I've we've heard a lot of different things about soil 1632 01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,800 and soil composition, especially when it comes to growing 1633 01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:43,960 cannabis. This is the easiest and the most 1634 01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,240 that you're just going to have a better experience from. 1635 01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:49,840 Yeah. And what it sounds like, yeah. 1636 01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,560 And particularly for people that are very used to certain 1637 01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:56,640 strains, if you're familiar with a particular genetic, you've 1638 01:22:56,640 --> 01:23:00,160 grown that cultivar for maybe a decade, 15 years, every single 1639 01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:01,320 time. We've worked with people that 1640 01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:03,760 have very old genetics, they're very comfortable with, very 1641 01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,920 familiar with. They come back and they tell us 1642 01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:08,760 not only are the growth characteristics like visibly 1643 01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:11,440 different, it almost looks like an entirely different plant, but 1644 01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:14,200 the quality of the smoke and the flower is dramatically 1645 01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:16,480 different. You know the the smoke is so 1646 01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,240 soft and smooth that you can barely even feel it going into 1647 01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:21,360 your lungs. And in some cases, like with a 1648 01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:24,600 Cushman strain that we grew just a few months ago, it had the 1649 01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:26,600 distinct and overt cooling property. 1650 01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,960 This cooling effect because the there was menthol there, which 1651 01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,480 typically is not expressed in very high concentrations in 1652 01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:34,600 cannabis. For this particular pheno of 1653 01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,880 Cushman's, it was very minty. And it had this combo of, like, 1654 01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:41,880 citrus fruit, lime, lemon, coupled with this minty kind of 1655 01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:44,200 Wintergreen kind of flavor sensation. 1656 01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:47,920 So you would inhale a joint or, you know, bong or even a blunt, 1657 01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:50,200 You couldn't even feel the smoke entering your lungs. 1658 01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:53,080 And then when you exhale, this icy kind of sensation, it's very 1659 01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:55,880 soft and relaxing. It almost makes the lungs feel 1660 01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:59,480 more expansive, like you can breathe more deeply as a direct 1661 01:23:59,480 --> 01:24:00,880 result of this. Nobody's coughing. 1662 01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,760 Nobody's like, oh, that's harsh. It's exactly the opposite. 1663 01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,480 They take a hit, they exhale, and while the smoke was still 1664 01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:09,200 billowing out of their mouth, they say, whoa, what is this? 1665 01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,160 Yeah, Nick, this needs to be sold to anyone who grows 1666 01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:15,840 cannabis because if that's the experience of the end product, 1667 01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:19,680 like sold, I don't know why any It's like this bong. 1668 01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:22,320 This is the smoothest bong that we have ever tried. 1669 01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:26,160 And I don't know why I would tell anyone else to buy any 1670 01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:28,560 other bong or smoke out of any other bong ever. 1671 01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:32,440 Because until I find something that is better, that is the best 1672 01:24:32,440 --> 01:24:35,360 thing I have ever found. And it makes exactly the same 1673 01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:37,840 sense because you look at that and you go, OK, cool, you could 1674 01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:41,320 get like half a subpar product or you could grow like the best 1675 01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:43,160 quality product. Which one are you going to pick? 1676 01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:47,720 Dude, this magic magic. Because it makes me think about 1677 01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:51,520 like we the reason why we love this bong is the the smoothest, 1678 01:24:52,160 --> 01:24:54,920 most flavorful hits we've ever been able to receive from a 1679 01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:57,360 bong. But to have flour that's been 1680 01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:02,800 grown with your products? And then smoked out of that. 1681 01:25:02,920 --> 01:25:05,760 I could just imagine because this is one that like, it's 1682 01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:10,120 really hard to cough. Yeah, it would be just the most 1683 01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:14,120 amazing experience. Oh, there's so, so much out of 1684 01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:16,040 this. OK, again, so we've got 1685 01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:21,960 rootedleaf.com, You go promo code Cannabis school 20%. 1686 01:25:22,440 --> 01:25:25,120 All one word. Go check them out. 1687 01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:28,680 This is amazing. Nick, thank you for being on the 1688 01:25:28,680 --> 01:25:31,080 show. It's for everyone at home. 1689 01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:33,560 Yeah. And tuning in, I I think this is 1690 01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:35,800 going to be an episode a lot of people are going to be listening 1691 01:25:35,800 --> 01:25:39,760 to over and over and over because this is absolutely a 1692 01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:43,760 game changer for cannabis. I can't wait to be going to a 1693 01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,000 local dyspo and being able to try some of that. 1694 01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:49,520 So thank you again, brother. Thank you so much and thank you. 1695 01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,120 Guys, I appreciate the opportunity and for everybody 1696 01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:53,600 listening, thanks for taking the time. 1697 01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,200 If you guys have questions, like I said, please follow us on 1698 01:25:56,200 --> 01:25:59,080 Instagram, send us a message, and I'm usually the person that 1699 01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,400 responds and I like to nerd out and talk in great level of 1700 01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:02,960 detail. Here. 1701 01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:06,240 I feel like we've barely scratched the surface, you know, 1702 01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:08,120 it's the Pandora's box of possibilities. 1703 01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:11,160 This is an infinite world for us to keep exploring. 1704 01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,720 So definitely over time if you guys have questions, even if 1705 01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:16,720 it's not right now, but in the future, feel free to reach out 1706 01:26:16,720 --> 01:26:19,480 and I'll I'll help out as best I can. 1707 01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:21,720 All right. We love you guys at home. 1708 01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:23,760 Love all of our Patreon supporters. 1709 01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:27,040 Thank you so much for helping us reach just another person like 1710 01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:27,360 you. All right? 1711 01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:29,400 Hey, take care.