Welcome to Cannabis School. I'm your host, Jesse Angeles.
And I'm Brandon Elder. And we're here to talk to you
about everything pertaining to cannabis from vape flower
edibles. Strains.
And everything in between. Today we are actually checking
out one of our local favorite dispensaries and companies,
Dragonfly Wellness. Yeah, Dragonfly has been really
good to us. We were able to meet with them,
but man, they've got some fantastic products.
Yeah, they do. And I just remembered.
So the strain we're going to talk about today is Cindy
Cheese. It's one of their.
Great name, right? Betty, Betty Wellness is one of
Dragonfly's lines within there and this is one of their
strains. So Dragonfly actually works with
or they have a an arm of their business called Utah Grown right
across the street that you can go get your cards from.
And we learned recently that in Utah there's companies that
offer a $25 medical card. Now that $25 medical card
actually ends up being around $65.
And then sometimes if your insurance still makes you pay
for an office visit or something else, because I don't know if
this would totally cover under a general doctor's visit.
So then you might have to pay out of pocket on top of that,
making it even more than just the Utah groans.
Always $70.00 medical cards. Yeah, and they're really focused
on being able to help out the education while you're there,
being really upfront with you. We've experienced, you know,
we've got our medical cards here.
We didn't get them from Dragonfly.
Our next ones definitely will be, but that's like a year away,
almost a year away. So it is.
One of the things that we really liked about them though is their
real particular focus on quality.
And I know that sounds ridiculous, but how many quality
products have you had in your life with cannabis and now talk
about all of the nasty? Stuff you've had even.
So-called producers. Yeah, so going from like legacy
Gray market or even the dispensaries, I have had flour
from dispensaries in Denver and carts from dispensaries in
Denver that has been just pure garbage and has beaten like I've
had hemp from Utah that has beaten out some of the flour
that I have gotten from Denver sometimes.
And I'm like, this is horrible, but but it's the cultivar.
It goes a lot into the care and everything that is behind it.
So they have these, it's a pod system, Dragonflies, all their
carts and that that they do and the Betty's are all pods.
Obviously we're not a massive fan of pods, but I actually
haven't had too many issues with clogging or anything with with
the pods from them. No, I carry it in my pocket.
You have the white one, I have the black one.
They're actually printing us some of these batteries with the
cannabis school logo on them and so we'll see if that's something
that they can offer and you guys can get as well.
Yeah, these pod systems, they're close to the Stizzy.
I would say it's identical to the Stizzy system.
Yeah, probably. You could fit a stizzy in here.
Do you have a stizzy battery at home still?
Yeah. You should try one of these
carts in it when you do and see and we'll.
Let you know, it's really cool, but their brand's pretty nice,
but their products are really high end.
So I'm excited about it. So Brent, tell us about where,
what's the terpene profile on this?
Before we get into terpenes, the genetic line of that is actually
from Cindy 99. My guess is that's a Cinderella
99, but it's a sativa. And then the indica dominant
cheese strain. And I love cheese strain.
That's a cheesy strain, dude. Yeah, so, Cindy Cheese, the
Terpenes. Oh my gosh, the most dominant
one is limiting, but it's also got Betacerifiline, Humaline,
Linole and betamirosine. What?
What kind of cheese is that? I have no idea.
You tell me, what do you taste again?
Dude, that's weird. Yeah, so this one's really good
for, like, pain. If you're working all day on
your feet or doing instruction or anything manual labor, this
is a good, like pain relief one. This is good.
It's upbeat too, with the amount of leavening that's in this,
it's way focused on no racing heart.
Now you can still get kind of racing heart with those types of
strangers, depending on what else is with it.
The beta carophiline can definitely aid in that, but I
really like the cheese strain. It's a it's hard to say.
It's like it's like a gouda almost for me, like it's a very
strange to have that, but it's very tasty.
The beta caraphiline hits you again, dude.
It's that pepper in the back of the throat.
Right in the eyes. But it's clear.
It's really clear. I like it.
I'm feeling it going course through me.
Not heavy anywhere. That pepper still in the back of
my throat though. Wow.
Yeah, this went, like, right behind my eyes.
Really. Yeah.
But this one's been a good daytime strain.
Yeah, a great work strain. Enough of the pain relief that I
can get out of my back and really get into my work.
So it's got enough of the sativa like effects that I can really
focus hone in and enough of the pain relieving properties that I
can come out of my back into my head.
God, that sounded weird. But like, you know what I mean
Where I'm so focused on that and I can get out of that and
actually focus. It becomes such a great tool for
work. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
But it's it's not not Foggy. It's a pretty clear headed
strain. Yeah, it's good.
I mean, it's not, it's not an illuminating strain.
It's an awake strain. I appreciate that first hit
though. I felt it like it hit me like
right behind the eyes. I don't feel it behind my eyes
anymore, but it's really nice. And in the dosing again, going
to What's in your cart is concentrated oil in there?
What's the percentage of THC in this one?
77.92. Yeah, good amount here.
But it's also got THCVCBD 4.4% CPG, 3% CBC and 2.6% CBN so.
Yeah, that's the dativeness that you feel at first is the CBN,
but it's a it's very short lived.
This is one of the things I really liked about Dragonfly's
products is they've actually had such a wider range of
cannabinoids and terpenes on all of their products.
So I would say that the experience from the pens and the
flower that we've had from them has been really good.
Oh yeah, You know, one of the cool things I like on their
website, they have this set other patients have found these
products effective for. And it says pain is the top one.
I could kind of see that. Relaxed.
Yeah, kind of relaxed, focused, I feel focused, nausea.
So that's. Pretty cool.
Yeah. Happier.
Interesting. You know, a little bit of sleep.
I don't feel like asleep. This is nice.
You know what I like it said about hunger.
I don't feel munchies on this. Yeah, I didn't really get only
1% of people reported feeling hungry, but that could also have
been them at the time. Maybe they hadn't eaten.
There's a lot of factors that go into that, but yeah, it's not
really a munchy kind of strain. I like it because it's Cindy
cheese. Yeah, I'm gonna get that next.
Time. I get a lot of cheesy notes,
unlike the after notes in my mouth.
Oh, totally. And it's very it's a stronger
cheese, you know, It's not like a blue like I like blue cheese
strains. They're all.
The same. So good.
Or like the gassy kind of cheese ones too.
Yeah, I love those. It's been interesting because
when I first got into cannabis, some of the skunkier, cheesier,
gassier tones I didn't like, I didn't see that as much, but I
was also very much using it to. Just get high.
And not my pain, like not my back pain, but it was also like
I had been heavily drinking because I had gone through
divorce recently. And but 2 1/2 years have
separated before that, which was just a cluster fuck of a mess.
And so, like, I definitely, definitely used cannabis at some
point to I think. Numb it out.
Oh, the interesting thing is, I actually thought more because I
found more strains that would make me introspective or make me
think about things that I just hadn't thought about.
Cannabis truly became like this tool for me to look at my life
where I hadn't, at least not the same.
And so I I I don't feel like I've truly ever numbed from it.
And in fact, there's a God, there's a moment of really
shitty moment in my life and my kids life that my ex had called
me and just I was with Casey and she told me something had
happened to my kids. And that night all my friends
were hanging out and they were drinking and my kids were down
in another state and I couldn't get to them.
That day they asked if I wanted to drink with them and I just, I
was like, no, no, I I shouldn't do that because I knew if I
drank I would get in this spiraling down mindset and it
wouldn't, it wouldn't help me. So instead, that night I just, I
smoked a lot. In that moment I I had
perspectives and insights that I never would have had.
I saw I came out of that night with a different, a different
thing in my head. And so I've never actually found
that cannabis for me has been numbing.
Most of the time it just numbs racing thoughts, but that just
allows me to truly focus on what is actually important or needed
at that moment. Sometimes that's relaxing,
sometimes that's to get some shit done, sometimes that's to
talk with someone. It just depends on the moment.
But for me, it's never been something to numb the mind.
And sorry for that random long tangent, I just.
No, don't be. I mean you know, this is the
thing, you know when you you describe that right there about
it's not the numbing of feelings, it's the numbing of
the racing thoughts. Because when we are in a state
of frustration or anger or sadness and it's overwhelming,
our minds tend to go real quickly to the worst case
scenario and then we overreact or we under react, you know,
because we're there. When when you have cannabis, it
allows it to be the catalyst of of calm and reason.
And that's the one, you know, kind of some of the things we
talk about, Like if if we're upset about something and we're
just like maybe get in a fight with your girlfriend or I'm just
really frustrated with what my wife just said and I'm like,
fuck, I want to fight and I'm just going to go.
What's the fight or flight mode that you get into?
And it's like, is that the best moment to handle that situation?
Is in that fight or flight mode? Well, is the person that you are
talking to, like is there a threat?
Is there truly a threat or is it just like anger perceived from
the situation and what was said? And like, we can react from
emotion because that's what most are like.
Reactions are from emotion. It's like something triggers us
and we react because some emotion pushed us to do this.
Yeah it's the IT. It really is like that's I I'm,
I'm, I'm happy that you didn't go to alcohol.
And I, you know, I still remember I was talking to my
wife about it not too long ago. Just talking about having a
drink. You know, like every once in a
while, like I don't, I don't mind.
And but even now, like now, more so than ever, I have no desire
for it because I know what happens.
And I regardless of the physical feelings I have, it's the
emotional roller coaster if everything is just right and
it's a good time. Some of my best times of my
life, I was so fucking drunk. Oh yeah, I've had amazing
moments with it, but I've also had.
Bad moments, yeah. Some of my worst moments, some
of the like dumbest decisions in my life that normally I would
not make. Truly, man, I I think back to
the times where I've yelled at my sons and gotten so angry with
them and to the point where I'm I'm, I'm not realizing that I'm
much bigger than they are and I'm much more aggressive than
they are. And it comes from my upbringing.
But dude, it it has nothing to do with it right then and there.
And often, you know, my wife had said she's like, you know, I
just kind of feel like you're taking too much.
Sometimes I'm like, yeah, because I'm overwhelmed and I
don't want to lash out at everybody, but I still want to
have a lucid conversation. You don't want to react, you
want to respond. How?
I you know the amount of cannabis as far as, like if we
compared milligram to milligram of effective chemicals that
alter your mind state, and you take alcohol at the same amount
on alcohol percentage as you would with cannabis, you're
gonna be slurring your speech. You're not gonna make sense.
You're gonna you won't be able to really hone in on what you're
trying to say. And you might stagger around
like you're you're not. Not well.
Coherent you're not. Safe and like it's not.
If you green out you, you don't argue with anybody, you're.
You sit there quietly. Yeah, you're take a nap.
Try to, yeah, you're just like. Fuck, this sucks.
Depends on where you're at, right?
Right. But thinking about it like no, I
mean I'm and I'm glad you went off that and thanks for sharing
that because that's it's hard. But it knowing that you know
that's a great example for for those who are listening and or
who are watching. If you are in this place where
you're so reactive to the situation and it only can be a
bad for you later on. And I know a lot of it was
thinking like if anybody did something to my kids I would
fucking kill them. I get that.
I totally do. But also knowing that we need to
learn everything before you start loading up the weapon.
Like if it was crazy. I mean, just horrible your
situation. I think that's the only thing
that saved me from being in prison today is the fact that
they were thousands of miles away, because otherwise that
night someone would have died. And I think that time to reflect
was, I mean it was life changing and it's been just that was
fucking hard. Yeah.
But, like, that's why I'm, I know that this has made me so
much better as a person, as a parent, as a father, as, like a
friend, as a son, as, like an employee, as just a human.
Because I don't. I still react sometimes.
And I Oh, yeah, it's my dad, like how I grew up, you know,
And I look at things and I'm like, I hate when I react.
I love when I respond when I show up as what my kid or my
partner or my friend needs. Not with the reaction based on
emotion of what I perceived or heard at that moment.
Because sometimes it's not, as we know by going through NLP, so
much miscommunicated. And the words that are always
said is not always what's meant. And sometimes what's meant is
not what's said. And it's just it's this thing
that you we don't realize and we don't always look at the other
person and go, hey, what just said, like what was just said,
OK, well, I don't know everything that's going on in
that person's life today. I don't know everything that's
going on in that person's head today.
No, I just reacted. But maybe that person's parent
just died. Maybe they just got in a fight
with their spouse. Yeah.
You know, maybe they just like got divorced.
Like you have no idea what's going on in that person's life.
I have a an experience with my daughter.
She's at school and she had one of her friends that wrote her a
letter and it was basically like, I hate you.
And she was like, I don't, I don't know what I did.
I don't know what happened. And a friend had said that to
like her and a couple other people.
And then it turned out that she had just not brought her a
sucker. But at home, that kid, they're
12 now, almost. And that kids family is going
through potential divorce. And as a child that fucks up
your whole home. It fucks up your entire life.
And so then that changes your entire reality and your world.
And how many people, like, question their reality and their
world or like things they're taught are like, it's just it's
always hard and sometimes when it's not something you're
looking for and it just happens and shatters that reality, that
can be incredibly hard. And so then we react because
we're already in this massive place filled with just
overwhelming emotion. So then we just snap or react
and it's like we don't know what's going on.
But this is given the ability to actually like not always.
Obviously I'm still working on that all the time.
But given me more times that I have responded or if I do react,
I realize, hey, I am reacting and I need to go take a minute
so I can come back and respond or that we can have this
discussion or that something. Because the state that I'm in
is, is emotional 100%. Whether it's sad, angry, mad,
like hurt, any of those are all secondary emotions usually
they're all stemming from something else.
So if you can look back and go, what's causing this?
Why am I like this? Why am I pissed right now?
Why am I hurt right now like and and then come back and go, hey,
I'm, I'm really sorry. I was frustrated and this is me
realizing this or this is this. But I'm trying to work now and
understand why you're feeling this way or or why you're saying
this thing or why this thing is happening.
Let's work together now instead of, you know, me realizing that
it's just this immediate emotion.
So I'm butting heads. If I can take this step back, I
can readdress it from a clear head and go, hey, maybe this
isn't personal. Maybe they're not trying to do
this. Maybe what they said didn't mean
what I heard, but maybe that's just what I perceived at that
moment. And so coming back and
clarifying, go, hey, I'm, I'm sorry, but you said this and
this is what I took it as. Yeah, perception is projection.
Like, that's OK to go, because then maybe they're like, oh
shit, hey, I'm really sorry. This is actually what I meant,
because it's always in the communication of everything
unsaid. How much is left unsaid?
Yeah, it's the the greatest regret we have man, is not
being, is is being misunderstood because it's usually not with
that and you know and to kind of go back to this.
So this is a. As you can tell, this is a very
introspective strain. Very.
You can. No, no, but I mean no.
It beyond chatty though. I think it's it's a reflective
thing. You know when you brought up
that I was going through a lot and I'm sure a lot of those who
are listening are going through the exact same thing they're
thinking about. You know, hey, when I the reason
why I use this is to be able to not respond emotionally because
it's so easy. We don't know what's going on in
other people's lives, and they annoy the shit out of you and
they do something completely irritating and you got to go.
OK, well, I got to look at the good parts of that one.
And if that relationship in your life, you're having a difficulty
being able to figure out if anything good is from it, even
after you smoke Cindy cheese, maybe you need to change your
situation. I mean, it's just it's really
hard. But I would rather have the the
and and and I I had a thought while you were talking about it
and it this is where I want to go.
I'm I'm going to just break off from where I was going to go.
You have to remember too that this is a mild hallucinogen and
the same things that you're going to get your intent from.
You can experience the same with on psilocybin, whether it's
ketamine or ayahuasca or DMT, like whatever you're going to if
your intent is to get something out of it.
For me, using cannabis is to get clarity of where I understand
where I am at. I need to know where I am at and
then two, evaluate what's been said to me in a way where I
cannot be reactive, but I can contemplate it and think am I
for it or am I not for it? And then the last part is being
able to not respond emotionally after.
It doesn't mean it voids motion, it enhances emotion, but it also
allows you to not make that mistake.
So think of it the same way. If you go in with intent to use
cannabis just to get high, good for you, great for you, you
you're doing it for a reason. There's something that's pulling
you to it. And I'm not just saying the
plant talks to you because alcohol talks to you too.
And for people it works for a little bit and then it doesn't.
It's the same thing with other hard illicit drugs, whether it
be prescription or non prescription, They're doing it
to fill in a gap. I'm not going to say that I use
cannabis because I'm 100% healthy.
Matter of fact, I use it because I am not healthy mentally,
physically and this helps. It improves your quality of life
and it's like you said you're you're addicted to cannabis.
And I I think about that often because it's like, well, I am
addicted to a better quality of life.
I love feeling happy. I mean, I love having less pain.
There's nothing like this though.
There's nothing like this feeling.
Less stress in my mind. I love having less racing
thoughts. I love the fact that I can
actually respond sometimes instead of always reacting and
like, and it comes from that. But it's it's intent, you know?
It's like. But it's OK to say, I mean, you
know, The thing is like, it's OK to say that I'm addicted to
cannabis. If you're listening to this and
the and somebody's telling you you're addicted to cannabis and
it's a bad thing, evaluate what you do.
Are you a bad person? You're probably pretty easy to
get along with and you're very chill.
The most of the people that judge you for it is because of
one thing or another. They they have some.
It's not even the opinion of what others have given them.
It's a lot of stigma. Yeah, it's just stigma for
themselves and a lot of fear. And that's OK, that's totally
OK, right? But it's.
OK, to be afraid. Like everyone has fears and
things they're afraid of, and especially when they don't
understand something right, there's a lot of fear.
And so most people haven't taken that time to sit in and
understand this so. Which is totally fine.
But if you can help, even on the basic level, send them the show.
Go, hey, you know, I've been trying to impact or change my
life. I'm trying to better myself and
I've realized that this helps me in XYZ.
Yeah, and so I I use it like you use anti anxiety meds or anti
depression meds or or like pain relief meds or any of these
things, sleep, medications, all of these things that there's
value when you're using it for. It's just it's having that
conversation and opening that doorway to maybe you don't have
all the answers and you don't need to have all the answers
because you can go. I don't have all the answers
right, but I know they're out there.
And if there's always stuff that you're looking for have
questions on, send them our way. Yeah, we'd be happy to hear
about it. No, take a take a moment to
reflect on this and and think about what cannabis has done in
your life. What has it done to make your
life better? You know and and we're going to
get a lot of common answers. You know that'll be a poll that
that'll be a question that we'll ask there and Spotify and we
really want you to to think about that what what has it
impacted in your life? Has it made it better.
We're going to see a lot of similarities a lot of
similarities. We'll share it on an episode
after that to really be able to kind of capture like, hey, this
is what we're seeing as well. And and for those who think that
it's just for people that want to dull their senses, you know,
there's there's a lot of political people out there like
Tucker Carlson, who's like, I don't want my kids smoking
marijuana at the dinner table. It's just not going to happen.
I'm like, that's ridiculous for one.
But two, those are the type of people that really need cannabis
because they have this weird ideological perception.
Yeah. And they're they're so tightly
strung it sounds like. Yeah, they're just wound so
tight. And I don't, I didn't like being
wound tight. Like I am not as violent of a
person as I used to be. You know, you you have a little
bit of understanding of how I am and what kind of violence I can
bring to another individual. And I don't crave that anymore.
I don't crave it. And I used to crave it like I
wanted that because there's nothing like the feeling of
being able to control another human and hold their health in
your in your hands and all you got to do is make a decision to
do or not to do real fast. And it goes so quickly and
there's there's an exhilaration of that.
But I don't, I don't care for that as much anymore.
Like I I can do it and it's just it's just mellowed me out.
So I'm just, I don't know if you're having difficult times
and and somebody's kind of giving you shit like we have.
We have listeners who have difficulty with the spouse,
whether it's their husband, their wife, their their life
partner, their husband. I mean, it goes anyway.
It's just whatever they they have difficulties with them and
they have a really hard time being able to stop their
emotions from getting the best of them.
How many marriages could have been saved by step outside?
Have a puff come back in? Oh yeah, because it's like most
of the arguments aren't the actual thing.
There's usually something else that pushes it and stems it.
Like it's the reflection after the fact and letting it Stew
like the saying, like it it instead of it going on, you know
that's it's honestly it's it's one of the best.
It's the best equalizers. But yeah, if you're in Utah, go
to Dragonfly Betty. Betty Wellness.
It's at some Cindy cheese.
Yeah, Cindy cheese. Whoa.
Really very introspective. And if you don't have a card and
you are in Utah, go to Utah. Groan across some Dragonfly
Wellness on Tuesdays. They take walk, insurance or you
can even schedule. Yeah, fantastic opportunity for
you. Pricing is up front, but more
now. One very focused on making sure
that you have the best experience.
Yeah, but as always, we love you guys.
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to the point. It is like when it started, it
was just we never expected it to go anywhere.
We thought our friends would maybe listen to it and then we
realized not that many of our friends are all into cannabis.
So there's really only a few that would listen anyway.
And now you know, it's been, it's been amazing to grow and
talk to people around the world. You know, have people from
different countries reach out and go, hey, this is our story
or hey, this is what happened or this is what we're learning
about cannabis and we love, like we get shared with us all the
time. Things you guys are like
learning as well. Yeah, so keep keep sending it
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We bring it up on the show because it helps to be able to
educate you guys. But thanks as always.
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