1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:04,360 I'm Brandon. And I'm Jessie. 2 00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:07,480 We're. Cannabis school having cannabis 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,400 infused conversations. With everyday. 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,200 People. Cannabis companies. 5 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,200 Celebrities. And your mom? 6 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:17,440 Welcome to the Sash. Welcome to the Sash, Yeah? 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:22,240 Welcome. We have Riley Kirk or Cannabacam 8 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,840 from Social and she's got her own podcast. 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,600 Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, that is right. 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,520 That's. Tell us all about your podcast 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,840 real quick so everybody can start subbing to it right now. 12 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,800 Sure. Yeah, it's, it's relatively new. 13 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,120 I started it kind of the fall of last year, but it's called Bio 14 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,080 Active and it's about how cannabis, cannabinoids and other 15 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,680 medicinal plants interact with your body and how we can kind of 16 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:52,040 use that information to dose better or to find a better 17 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,520 consumption method. And just taking community 18 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,920 stories as well from different researchers, patients, etcetera, 19 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,440 and just having like low level conversations, nothing too, too 20 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,360 crazy, but it really is science focused and harm reduction 21 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,280 focused. Just trying to give people the 22 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,760 resources that maybe they haven't had in the past because 23 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,360 there hasn't really been a way for that lower barrier of entry 24 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,000 to get into that realm of science. 25 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:17,600 Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. 26 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,280 This is awesome. This is this is going to be my 27 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,320 new podcast. Yeah, actually. 28 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:26,000 Listening to a good handful. Yeah, an episode coming up today 29 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,760 on using nutrients for your cannabis grow, but it's like 30 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,480 from step one of like, why do we put nutrients on plants? 31 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,760 Oh, that's cool. Yeah, good news for you. 32 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,680 So is that one going to be more of a series or is it just a 33 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:43,400 short like a one spot? I would like it to get more 34 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:45,400 complex. So this is kind of for beginner 35 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,600 growers, but I would love to have somebody on who talks about 36 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,360 like the more rigorous science component of that too. 37 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,480 Because my listeners, there's a kind of a huge spectrum of 38 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,760 people who have never grown a plant, people who are growing 39 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,440 for the first time, and people who are like expert cultivators. 40 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,360 So I want to make sure I can provide a little information for 41 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,240 everyone. Oh, that's cool. 42 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:10,039 We actually had a really good. Yeah, we get an issue for that. 43 00:02:10,039 --> 00:02:13,280 That would be a good fit. He actually creates a carbon 44 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,680 based fertilizer for cannabis plants. 45 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,720 Yeah, and the results he's had is insane, to the point where 46 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,080 they were talking about where sticks and stems were being 47 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,640 harvested for trichomes that were all over the. 48 00:02:26,640 --> 00:02:28,400 Plant Oh they were getting what was it? 49 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:34,160 It was a grade pulls from sticks and stems for concentrate. 50 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:35,880 Yeah, no, they're getting unheard of. 51 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,320 That's. Crazy, yeah. 52 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:44,400 So he yeah, really cool. We'll connect you guys. 53 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,800 I think it would be really. Yeah, that would be great for 54 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:48,240 your show and for your listeners. 55 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,600 That would be fantastic, 'cause I mean, honestly, I was like, I 56 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,680 was getting geared up for it, 'cause I love the depth of 57 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,960 science, but I'm just like, oh, it's just gonna be a science 58 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,600 guy. And I'm like, this is gonna be, 59 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,240 it's gonna be rough. But it wasn't. 60 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,560 It was so cool. Yeah, it was entertaining as 61 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:04,200 how. Cool. 62 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,040 'Cause we've had like science people that we've talked to 63 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:08,480 sometimes and we're like, oh God. 64 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,520 Like this is. Really rough, like I love it. 65 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:16,000 This is great but you're not speaking on anyone's level 66 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:20,200 unless you have like this tier and most people out there aren't 67 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,760 at that level. So if you want any of them to 68 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,120 have an understanding. Yeah, There's a difference 69 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,680 between science and some science communication. 70 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,440 And, like, scientists are not taught to communicate their 71 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,880 science with the general public. We're taught to communicate it 72 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,840 with a bunch of people with massive egos. 73 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,360 And we have to use these really big words and, like, present 74 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,760 ourselves really, you know, sophisticated. 75 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:46,200 But that only works in academia in some industrial settings. 76 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,800 But most people who like, care about that science are just 77 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,800 general people. And we need to find ways to 78 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,320 connect the general consumers with the in ways that aren't 79 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,920 intimidating and push people away from science. 80 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,080 So yeah. So being in your field and 81 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:07,160 really quick, tell our listeners exactly what your background is 82 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:11,920 and your what your specialties are and where you see going into 83 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,320 the future. Yeah, for sure. 84 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:19,320 So my background is a PhD in pharmaceutical sciences, but I 85 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,920 specialize in what's called natural product chemistry and 86 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,360 understanding the chemistry that plants, fungi, bacteria, 87 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,120 microbes, all of these different organisms make and how we can 88 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,160 use them as medicine and how they've traditionally been used 89 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,400 as medicine. So if anybody out there doesn't 90 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:41,040 know, about 60% of pharmaceutical drugs come from 91 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,840 nature. Nature is the best organic 92 00:04:42,840 --> 00:04:46,120 chemist in the world world and nature synthesizes compounds 93 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:51,120 specifically to interact with animals, typically insects or 94 00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:53,520 herbivores that are trying to eat it. 95 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,400 So when we think about human medicine, we're not that far 96 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,840 removed from a deer or even something like an insect. 97 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,360 So that's really like what my background's in and currently I 98 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,480 focus on a lot of different things, but I'm the Co founder 99 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,000 of a cannabis research and education nonprofit called the 100 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,840 Network of Applied Pharmacognacy or NAP. 101 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,400 And essentially we're focusing on bridging community data 102 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,840 because we believe that cannabis consumers are the experts in 103 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:25,080 this medicine, but we've never leveraged that information. 104 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,600 So we want to study cannabis consumers and what we're already 105 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,880 doing, but also doing the biochemical laboratory work to 106 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:35,360 kind of validate those studies and use the combined approach to 107 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,680 kind of get behind some of these nuances in cannabis medicine 108 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:43,240 that we can't even try to get to with just laboratory work alone. 109 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,200 There's so much more complexity to that. 110 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,520 So we want to tell a better story that represents cannabis 111 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:51,840 consumers better by using a combination of different data 112 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:55,240 types and telling more of a story with cannabis medicine. 113 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,720 So, so right now you guys are are gathering individuals to be 114 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,160 able to perform these studies. We already have studies going. 115 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,360 We have a study with over 7000 participants that's looking at 116 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,760 daily cannabis use. So that study, we're actually 117 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,600 getting ready to publish it, but it is a study that's just gonna 118 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,720 keep going on for hopefully forever. 119 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,520 So we can see how patterns in use change over time. 120 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,760 But essentially we're just asking people like, hey, what 121 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,920 time do you dose yourself for the first time? 122 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,800 What consumption method are you using? 123 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,040 What product types are you using? 124 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,400 You know, do you have a chronic issue or are you using more in 125 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:36,960 an adult use recreational way? Just asking really basic 126 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,080 questions. And you know, the data has been 127 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,040 really cool so far. We found that about 90% of 128 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:45,480 people are daily consumers, which was really shocking to a 129 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,960 lot of people, but not that shocking to us. 130 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:52,600 I mean, we know that like cannabis, it is a medicine and 131 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,880 it like with any other medicine, we wouldn't expect people to 132 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,280 take two days on of the medicine, four days off, one day 133 00:06:59,280 --> 00:07:01,200 on, one day off. You know, it's like reaching 134 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,560 that, that steady state, that baseline that we're looking for 135 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,600 and being a daily cannabis user makes sense from that medicinal 136 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,920 perspective. We also have some really cool 137 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,680 data on cannabis and driving. About 64% of people use cannabis 138 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,760 and drive and about 60% of people wake and bake, which 139 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,920 again, is like a little shocking to some people, but it's really 140 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,800 validating to a lot of cannabis consumers who always felt they 141 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,640 had to hide their use or couldn't be open about it. 142 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:31,360 And now they have this statistic and what's going to soon be a a 143 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,520 peer reviewed study that they can, you know, show their mom, 144 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,760 show their physician and say, hey, I'm not alone here. 145 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,720 There's a whole community that has a similar brain like me and 146 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,680 reacts to this medicine in a positive way. 147 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,560 That's cool and you have been on your cannabis journey for a long 148 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:51,040 time now. Yeah, like personally, I started 149 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,280 using cannabis at 14, but when I started talking about cannabis, 150 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,320 it was really during the pandemic because I was teaching. 151 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,360 I was the TA for a course on cannabis chemistry and 152 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,880 pharmacology and it was through university and the university 153 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,520 was charging like $7000 for people to take this course. 154 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,400 And I'm someone who's like, information should be free, 155 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,040 science should be free, everything should be free. 156 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,760 So after seeing this, I'm like, why doesn't everybody have these 157 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,160 resources to learn about how cannabis works in the body? 158 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:26,680 This is such cool information that I've never seen actually 159 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,920 disseminated to the public. So then pandemics kind of 160 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,400 starting at this point, people are starting to work from home 161 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,840 more. I like, I'm a scientist, I don't 162 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,919 have that much to do at home. So I started making tick tocks, 163 00:08:38,919 --> 00:08:41,799 just talking about the chemistry and pharmacology of how cannabis 164 00:08:41,799 --> 00:08:44,120 works in the body. And, you know, people were just 165 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,240 grabbing at that information. They wanted it so bad, and they 166 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,720 wanted it presented in an entertaining way. 167 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:51,640 And, you know, that Channel took off. 168 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,080 It's still existing to this day. But, you know, I've expanded to 169 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:58,840 Instagram, to YouTube and to podcasting now. 170 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,960 So I just try to produce as much free information as possible. 171 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,120 And your TikTok has like 420,000 followers, right? 172 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:09,640 I just like it because of the number. 173 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,040 Obviously that's. Crazy. 174 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,840 That's actually, that's serendipitous, right? 175 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,480 She's like, she's a 420 man. That's awesome. 176 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:21,840 Synchronous followers to stay at 4:00. 20 yeah, we had to try and 177 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,080 add her like three times and then she's like oh shit, drop 178 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:25,000 someone else. Fine. 179 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,000 So you know it worked out. I guess we'll get rid of Cheech 180 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,840 and Chong, just push them aside to bring us it. 181 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,760 How sweet is she? She's amazing. 182 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:39,160 No, I, I am. I am just baffled by the amount 183 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,320 of and, and it's just the way it needs to be. 184 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,720 This data needs to be able to be gathered from an uncontrolled 185 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,840 source where, I mean, you just have, I mean, not an 186 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,400 uncontrolled, but, but a controlled area where you can be 187 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,720 able to go. OK, well, let's actually see if 188 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,720 these people are gonna be open. And since it's not gonna be 189 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,720 published like publicly with each individual and who was in 190 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:04,480 the study, that's amazing to be able to hear about it. 90% our 191 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,960 daily consumers. That's freaking awesome, right, 192 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,280 60%? Another part to kind of what 193 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,480 you're talking about here and, and this part I think is maybe 194 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,320 the most important and it's the component of trust within the 195 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,560 cannabis community, especially with research, right? 196 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,600 There are currently government studies out right now, 197 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,080 government funded studies that are trying to ask cannabis 198 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,440 consumers these questions and they have difficulty getting 199 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,960 people to sign up and being honest in these surveys because 200 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,840 the government has targeted our population for decades. 201 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,920 And why on earth would we answer to the government and tell them 202 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,440 exactly what products we're using, at what dose and what 203 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,720 time of day and share all that valuable information when 204 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:46,760 they've really provided nothing for us? 205 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,800 So it's like we need this research to happen from within 206 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,880 the community, from people who openly blaze all the time on the 207 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,040 Internet, at conferences, at home, whenever it is, like I 208 00:10:57,040 --> 00:11:00,160 smoke weed every single day and I'm very open about it. 209 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,640 And that's who people want to like give their data to. 210 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:07,040 And, you know, say like, I trust you with this data and I trust 211 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,240 that you're not going to manipulate it or present it in a 212 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,360 way that's not representative of our community. 213 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,320 So, you know, that part alone has really spend an eye opener 214 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,520 for us because we are really loud on the Internet about what 215 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,480 we do because we don't believe we should have to hide it. 216 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,720 We don't believe we should have to, you know, hide our cannabis 217 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,880 use or lie about it. So we're kind of setting that 218 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,800 standard and hoping that people kind of follow along and want to 219 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,320 participate in this research for those reasons. 220 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:34,680 Jeez, yeah. What's what's been one of the 221 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:38,120 most unusual uses of cannabis that you found in your research? 222 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,000 Oh, that's a really good question. 223 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:46,920 Unusual uses of cannabis. I mean, something that's 224 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,480 probably the most stigmatized is the use for mental health 225 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,040 conditions like schizophrenia. And, you know, everybody says 226 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,320 that if you have a family history of schizophrenia to stay 227 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,880 away from cannabis. But if you look at the data and 228 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:03,840 if you even look at the data that we're collecting, people 229 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,960 who have schizophrenia and use low doses of THC and a lot of 230 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,800 CBD, actually, their mental health is typically better than 231 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,040 people who don't. There's people with 232 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,040 schizophrenia tend to use cannabis a lot. 233 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,200 Like there are, there's a lot of overlap there. 234 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,240 And in no way am I advocating for people with this genetic 235 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,360 background to just dive into cannabis. 236 00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:25,680 But it's important to know that, like, even though it's 237 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:28,120 stigmatized and a lot of people think that nobody with 238 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,200 schizophrenia should be using cannabis, the data says that 239 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,920 people still are. And it's worth researching more 240 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,080 because these people are finding positives, or at least a subset 241 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,920 of that population. It is finding positives in this 242 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,160 medicine. And it's really the high doses 243 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:46,040 of THC that can cause something like psychosis or adverse mental 244 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,240 health effects, whereas something like CBD can really 245 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:52,760 help reduce inflammation in your brain and it can help with some 246 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,040 of the symptomology of something like schizophrenia. 247 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,480 So it's just again, adding nuance into that conversation 248 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,120 and talking about dose and talking about active compounds, 249 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,960 not just saying weed is weed is weed, it's all the same. 250 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,320 Just smoke it and you'll feel the same as everyone else. 251 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,040 It's like, no, like as educated consumers, we have control over 252 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,800 our dose. We have control over what active 253 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:16,320 compounds we're putting into our body, what time of day. 254 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:19,320 And the more that we can have those conversations openly, 255 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,520 that's really where the harm reduction comes in because we 256 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,680 can teach people that you can use CBD products and you don't 257 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:27,920 need THC and you can still have benefits to that medicine. 258 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,480 Well, it's even people who aren't schizophrenic. 259 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,480 Everyone can see the biphasic properties of cannabis, you 260 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,200 know, low doses versus high doses going, oh shoot, this 261 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,640 makes me feel great. This makes me feel crazy, 262 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,240 paranoid and anxious. You know, it's, it's the same 263 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,680 exact thing going OK, what is the dose of medication? 264 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:48,960 I'm sure any medication giving to anyone in their incorrect 265 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,800 dose would cause horrible side effects, whether it's 266 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,280 schizophrenia, paranoia, anxiety, depression or whatever 267 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,720 you know there's always a proper dose for. 268 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,800 And I have, I mean, I did 10 years in psych. 269 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,400 So working with severely mentally ill people for the 270 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,760 state, this is the place where they send them because nobody 271 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,640 else will take them or the jail's like we're not dealing 272 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,680 with this. But working with those 273 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:13,880 individuals, you would see throughout there because I would 274 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,800 be involved in every single patient's treatment plans. 275 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,120 And it was amazing to see exactly. 276 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,160 I mean, now reflecting back because back then it was just 277 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,000 like POTS for fun. We do it on the weekends. 278 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,040 You know, it's, it's not something openly talked about. 279 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,680 And a lot of these patients records were coming. 280 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,480 They, they would use cannabis frequently and the cannabis 281 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:42,000 then, which this is quite a while ago, the cannabis then is 282 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,280 completely different to the cannabis now because of the, the 283 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,000 science that's going into the grows and, and understanding 284 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,680 exactly everything down to the plant. 285 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,240 Not just I put it in the ground and I put water on it. 286 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,720 And thus it grows like it's, it's completely changed. 287 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,640 And I would like to see it because I have always wondered 288 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,320 that because I had worked with some very severely schizophrenic 289 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:10,600 people and I could see the wrong strain or the right or the, the 290 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,840 recommendation, the wrong combinations of terpenes and, 291 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,520 and cannabinoids would definitely affect that. 292 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,720 Absolutely. I mean, there's been strains we 293 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:23,560 smoked together where I'm just like, oh shit, I am not in a 294 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,720 good place. I am so paranoid and I am 295 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,640 freaking out. And it's just learning that. 296 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,200 And if we have more studies even going deeper into that one, then 297 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,160 we're being able to start doing what you've talked about before. 298 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:39,760 Like wouldn't it be great if I had a way, a process to be able 299 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:43,760 to go this is these are the right terpenes for me? 300 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,240 Yeah, like endocannabinoid deficiencies, like if we could 301 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,360 look at that and go, hey, what is this person's endocannabinoid 302 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,600 deficient in and craft a strain, a tincture, a vaporizer, 303 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,840 whatever it is around that person's specific needs, like 304 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:02,080 how? But I don't think the science is 305 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,280 quite there. We don't have that put out to do 306 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,840 that, but I feel like that is where I would love to see 307 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:12,240 cannabis get to. But again, that's down the road 308 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,440 and how we need to open the doors for more research and for 309 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,240 allowing those things. But even like you've talked on 310 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,000 one of your videos, you know, the Schedule 3 doesn't really 311 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:27,120 allow the cannabis research to change because there's already 312 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:30,840 in place other laws surrounding cannabis and research 313 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,400 specifically. So it'll be interesting to see 314 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,600 what unfolds. Yeah. 315 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,200 And I also just wanted to note like there are companies out 316 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,960 there right now who are taking people's DNA and trying to 317 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,680 formulate products for exactly what you're talking about. 318 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,960 And I just want to put a word of caution out to the listeners 319 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,520 that I strongly believe our science is not there yet and I 320 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,800 would not support these products yet. 321 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,600 I'm not saying that in 10 years we won't have that information, 322 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,200 but I think right now it's more of a marketing thing and less of 323 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:08,599 a medical whole thing. So just just a word of caution 324 00:17:08,599 --> 00:17:10,800 there because another thing to remember about your 325 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,960 endocannabinoid system, it's very, very dynamic. 326 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,280 It changes throughout the day, it changes through your age, it 327 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:21,079 changes through hormonal cycles. It is always, always changing. 328 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:26,000 So to be able to formulate a product to fix your needs based 329 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,760 on your ECS levels, it's going to be really difficult. 330 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:31,400 You know, that's not to say people with clinical 331 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,520 endocannabinoid deficiency, if you have chronic migraines, if 332 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,360 you have have inflammatory bowel conditions, if you have 333 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:40,480 fibromyalgia, then yeah, like supplementing your body with 334 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:42,680 cannabinoids is absolutely going to help. 335 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,080 But for the fluctuations in the day, I mean, the reason why that 336 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,720 wake and bake data was really interesting to us is because 337 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,080 your endocannabinoid levels are at the lowest in the morning. 338 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,440 So when you smoke in the morning, that wake and bake hits 339 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,320 really, really hard. Because there's nothing. 340 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:02,480 Else competing for the receptors in your brain, it's just like a 341 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,000 one way ticket for THC to slide in there. 342 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,120 Whereas later in the day, say around noon when your 343 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:11,160 endocannabinoid levels are higher, now you have competition 344 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,880 at that receptor. So when you smoke it doesn't hit 345 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:17,160 as hard, it doesn't hit as fast. You feel a difference from 346 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,960 consuming in the morning versus consuming at night. 347 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,040 And also just the point about like personalized terpene 348 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,560 profile, you know, I think that's something we definitely 349 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,080 need to study and maybe we can match it with like neurotypes, 350 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,640 the, the types of brains that we have and how people respond to 351 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:37,080 things based on their level of anxiety or PTSD or, you know, 352 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,320 their age or whatever. That is because I, I say this 353 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,560 all the time on the Internet, but my favorite strains would 354 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:47,440 give most people a panic attack. Like I love the strains like 355 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,560 terpenoline rich, pinene rich, like the ones that like often 356 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,360 make people really anxious. Those are the ones that like 357 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:57,040 itch my brain in the right way and make me feel great. 358 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,120 But I always warn people when I, when I roll something up, I'm 359 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:03,120 like, take one puff and like see how you feel. 360 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:07,480 Do not chief on this cause 'cause you will likely get a 361 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,240 little anxious. So just like you know, take take 362 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:11,320 it step. Away. 363 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,880 Aside from Jack Herrera, what are your other favorite go to 364 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,600 strains? Oh, I'm a big Jack fan, yeah. 365 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,880 I love Durban, love Durban Poison. 366 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,680 I love the train Kiwi, I don't. Have you ever tried? 367 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,920 No, it's. Really nice too yeah it's kind 368 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:32,920 of those are my favorite the the terpenoline is my favorite like 369 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,600 if I can find a strain with terpenoline, I'm going to find 370 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,800 it grow it, buy it, whatever I can do there. 371 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,840 But I'm not really sensitive to certain strains making me feel 372 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,600 great versus not THC reacts really well with my body. 373 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,720 It always has I have seizure conditions and I think that's 374 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:54,480 kind of part of that story. But you know, to each their own, 375 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,960 but for me, I have like kind of an ADHD brain. 376 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,360 So anything that kind of is too stimulating for most people is 377 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:03,720 just like the right amount of productivity for me. 378 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:09,240 Yeah, I found this amazing focus with Green Crack that I just I 379 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,840 wasn't expecting with it and I just it's been one of my 380 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,640 favorite strains this last little bit. 381 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:19,200 You know, the Tropicana cherries that this was a cool experience, 382 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,720 my first time with it. I mean, just reddish purple, but 383 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,400 I mean the flower was so, and it, it was beautiful. 384 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:32,440 But I, I had at one time I was writing a, an SOP for this 385 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,760 company I was working with and I was like, you know, I'm just 386 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,400 going to puff on this. This would be really good. 387 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,920 And I have it. And boom, I only had like half a 388 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,840 bowl. And I was like, I was jazzed up 389 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:48,800 and I wrote this whole like 16 page SOP in an hour And I was 390 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,640 like, well, this is awesome. But then I think, oh, I should 391 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,560 have a full bowl. So I'm having a full bowl and a 392 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,680 half and I'm still pretty sensitive even after all this 393 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:02,880 time and full, I couldn't, I couldn't breathe out of my nose. 394 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:05,280 And I was like, Oh my gosh, this. 395 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:07,320 And then I started kind of like panicking. 396 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,320 I'm like, crap. So I go to the fridge. 397 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,520 I started loading up on lemon juice and CBD and I'm bringing 398 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,440 it down and I'm like, why is this? 399 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:19,720 There has a lot of beta carophiline in it and it just 400 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,480 got into the nasal passages and into the membranes in there and 401 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,720 they just squeezed it. I was like, Oh my gosh. 402 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:31,200 But so awake. So that's interesting. 403 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:37,760 So for tripernalane for you, that is an ADHD like Viber. 404 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,520 It just, it just gets you dialed in. 405 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,480 Yeah, like it's, it's my preferred medicine, like exactly 406 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,000 what you're talking about. If I need to write a paper, if I 407 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,520 need to clean the house, if I need to do anything where it's 408 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,080 like I need to be productive. Terpenoline is like Adderall to 409 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,360 my brain. It like makes me work so 410 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:57,800 efficiently there. You go, Oh my so. 411 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,840 For all you out lovers, I'll check out Terpenoline. 412 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,080 Yeah. Now I'm definitely in that. 413 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,480 So. Oh, my gosh. 414 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,440 Because I've, I've been really. Yeah, go, go, please. 415 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,240 Going to say about anxiety too. I think something that's 416 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,600 overlooked a lot in cannabis is set and setting matter a lot in 417 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,520 cannabis. We always talk about it in 418 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,640 psychedelics, right? But if you're smoking at home on 419 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,080 something and you know you're just used to smoking at home, 420 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,840 you're very comfortable. You have your animals, you have 421 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,000 your plants, you have everything there. 422 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,440 If you go to a different setting where maybe it's much more 423 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,120 social. I remember like one time I was 424 00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:34,520 giving a talk somewhere and I had smoked a strain it was super 425 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,680 familiar with, but I smoked it right before and I'm, I ought to 426 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,200 give a talk and I'm like, I can't do this right now. 427 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,160 Like I need to, I need to take a walk, I need to take a break. 428 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:48,360 I, I was with my husband. I'm like, can we like drive away 429 00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:50,960 and like go get like a Gatorade and get some fresh air? 430 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,840 And we, and we took, you know, 25 minutes and calmed down. 431 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,800 But I was like, whoa, that was really interesting because this 432 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,280 strain has never given me anxiety, but I'm already nervous 433 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,000 for what I'm about to do. And it just exacerbated the 434 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,920 anxiety and made it so much worse. 435 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,160 It's that fluctuating ECS then you know ever changing and where 436 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,520 one thing might affect it the same and then hours later or 437 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,200 different location, different set and setting. 438 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,800 No, I never thought about that time of day. 439 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,000 And that does make a lot of sense because it's, it's 440 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,120 definitely what you stated, you know, you set and setting 441 00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:27,440 because I started to have those things where I started to learn 442 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,560 more towards limiting and little lol to for a really calming 443 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:35,360 effect, even if it was sativa. And that was my judgment, but I 444 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:41,080 didn't think about tapronoline. And now I am, oh, I love it, but 445 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,440 tapronoline, that makes a lot of sense 'cause there are times 446 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,560 I'm, I'm severe ADHD, like I'm so disorganized. 447 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,040 I'm good at what I do. I'm just disorganized as hell. 448 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,440 Brandon knows this. It's a mess. 449 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,560 You see the side of my bed and my fucking night stand like it's 450 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,800 just a mess. But it's, it's my mess. 451 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,280 It's organized mess, but whenever I have a strain that 452 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,840 helps me to focus and just get things done, like it's 453 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,160 surprising to other people when I work with them, they're like, 454 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,680 so you, you, you, you smoke. And I was like, yeah, when? 455 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,640 Every day when I don't know What time is it right now? 456 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,560 Yeah, I did about an hour ago. And they're just blown away. 457 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,000 They're like, how do you function? 458 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,360 It's this misconception that so many of us still have that is 459 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:27,800 it's like, it's just going to dumb me down and slow me down. 460 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,600 It's not always the case. So I my brother I've got a very 461 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,920 straight laced brother and he tried cannabis for the first 462 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:40,240 time and my cousin decided to let him take a hit on a bong and 463 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:45,440 he got I I wouldn't say really high but he probably got high 464 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,640 and he. For a second and then went 465 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,120 straight little bit. And then he was like, how do I 466 00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:52,320 get this to stop in the next 10 to 15 minutes? 467 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,160 And I was like, bro, you, you don't. 468 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,000 So I can give you CBD and lemon juice and we'll help, you know, 469 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,760 mitigate that sum. But this doesn't end in 1015 470 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,400 minutes. But for him, it was this, he 471 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,400 doesn't like not being in control and he felt like he 472 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,400 wasn't in control. And it was like, interesting. 473 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,400 What do you not feel in control of? 474 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,280 But then he would disassociate and go to his phone or something 475 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,760 and come back a little bit later. 476 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,720 I'm like, all right, well, we'll talk about this later when 477 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,040 you're not high. Yeah, that's a problem for a lot 478 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,320 of people and, and for someone like that who might be really 479 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:29,800 sensitive to THC and not want to get out of control, I always 480 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,880 recommend smoking CBD flour. And everyone's like, that's so 481 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,200 lame. You don't feel anything like 482 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,320 what a waste of time. But it's not true. 483 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,400 Like the when you smoke CBD flour, the smoking process 484 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,360 actually produces little bits of THC and that combined with the 485 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:50,320 0.3% threshold that's already in hemp, you can feel the effects 486 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,000 from smoking CBD flour. And people who are very Naive to 487 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,120 cannabis will definitely feel a little bit high from smoking CBD 488 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:00,320 flour, but it's not the overwhelming high because it's 489 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,040 mostly CBD with like microdosing THC. 490 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,320 So for my husband who is the same way, he does not like to 491 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,920 feel out of control, He does not like to feel high. 492 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,600 You know, he smokes CBD flour, he smokes CBG flour. 493 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,800 And like, honestly, we probably feel kind of similar after I 494 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,240 smoke a THC joint, he smokes the CBD joint because he's so 495 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,920 sensitive to it and I'm not sensitive at all to it. 496 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,600 So it's like, you know, I think finding quality smokeable CBD 497 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,840 flower is something that's I'm, I'm gonna say relatively new 498 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,200 because for a long time CBD just looked like, hey, and nobody 499 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,200 wanted to smoke it. It was just gross. 500 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,960 Do you have a? Cultivar for that that you like. 501 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,360 So the person that I like to support is Doctor Allison 502 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:44,880 Justice, who grows in South Carolina. 503 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:49,360 She's a very talented craft hemp cultivator and I love smoking 504 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:51,240 her flower. It's super terpy. 505 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:54,240 That's like 4% terps. It's very flavorful. 506 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,000 So, you know, I highly recommend, you know, checking 507 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,960 her out if you're looking into some quality smokeable CBD 508 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,800 flower. Yeah, we found another 1-2 Stony 509 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,880 Branch farms. In the Midwest, yeah, I. 510 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,040 Can't remember exactly but they had this blueberry waffles 511 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,160 waffles and it's got that blueberry. 512 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:15,960 Taste. The blueberries. 513 00:27:16,120 --> 00:27:21,120 Like it was it was like smoking some of the like OG blueberry 514 00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:22,640 strain. Yeah, it really was. 515 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,200 And but it was so much more pungent with I mean, and it, it 516 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,080 was different because I I know that feeling of dude, I'm not 517 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,440 smoking him. That's lame. 518 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,840 And it's just because it's like when you're smoking hemp, you're 519 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,960 smoking hemp like there's no, you're, you're not like, oh, 520 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,560 this is a really good flavor. It's usually rough, depending on 521 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,960 the cultivar. Yeah, yeah. 522 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,480 I'm smoking rope. Yeah, it's literally it's, I've 523 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,320 had some rough experiences with him. 524 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,280 But this one was so different and and the reason why it was 525 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,160 so, it was even cooler. Because it was like smoking 526 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,760 flour. Well, we smoked a lot 'cause we, 527 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,960 we wanted to do a whole test on, you know, when you use CBD 528 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,680 flour, it's actually going to bring it down. 529 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:12,320 And so we got really high before we got set up for this episode 530 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:17,280 and we smoked this, this hemp and the blueberry waffles and it 531 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,480 was amazing. It was like somebody pulled a 532 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:24,440 cork out of my taint and then it just started to slowly go down. 533 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,680 You could feel it. It was like, what, 10 minutes? 534 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,640 Down out of your head and that. And it's like. 535 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,720 Just relaxed in your body and stuff. 536 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,680 You know, thinking back on it thinks of like, thinking of like 537 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,400 a pitcher of cold water being poured over you, but you're 538 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,200 really hot and it just slowly like it. 539 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,840 That's what it felt. It felt like we were melting. 540 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,240 We were melting the highway. Feeling of. 541 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,880 Water jumping over your head. Every time I go to the lake I 542 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,640 bring like like a cup and I just dumped water on my head because 543 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,360 it feels. So good. 544 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,600 See, now I now I hit that there. You're going to be like, I need 545 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,640 that kind of flower because that's like it's so amazing and 546 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,800 you're right, and it's way overlooked. 547 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,240 Like typically CBD, like I consume CBD in a teacher, 548 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,320 Brandon typically consumes like that. 549 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,880 But you know, I've got I, I think I still have some of that 550 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,920 blueberry waffles I need to smoke. 551 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,400 Them mine disappeared very fast. I yeah, no, I. 552 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,320 My, my consumption rate is so much lower than his, but I felt 553 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,000 like I, I was getting pretty deep into it. 554 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,360 But I, I love that you are bringing these studies to light 555 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,280 because many of us cannabis consumers still have that in the 556 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,680 back of our head going. This isn't right. 557 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,040 You know, I shouldn't be doing this. 558 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:39,120 But when studies show that it's very normal, you shouldn't feel 559 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,360 like you gotta hide. Like all my kids know I use 560 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,440 cannabis. Like even last night, my son was 561 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,960 walking up to the front step. I'm outside with my vaporizer, 562 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,280 looking at my phone, checking out video game things. 563 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,480 His girlfriend's like, I'm like, what's up? 564 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,360 She's like nothing. And I'm like, I know you consume 565 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:03,840 this too, so don't even judge. And she's just like, I'm just 566 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,480 weird. That's just weird. 567 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,840 And I'm like, you know, it's weird. 568 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:10,080 You don't even see what you're doing. 569 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,200 But it's such a valuable thing for younger people to see people 570 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,600 just being open about it and not ashamed of it. 571 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,440 It's not something to be ashamed about. 572 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,520 Like, it is a healthier way of medicating than almost any other 573 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,520 medicines or escapism mechanisms that we have. 574 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,320 So why aren't we embracing it? And especially as a cannabis 575 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,120 community, you know, telling each other like, oh, you can 576 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,280 smoke hemp. Yeah, I've done it. 577 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,680 You should. You should try this brand. 578 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,080 You should try this strain, whatever. 579 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,120 Like having those conversations also just makes us look like a 580 00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,880 much more mature industry that is looking at it from a Wellness 581 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,360 perspective, not just a how fucked up can we get perspective 582 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,320 'cause that's yeah, these conversations are really 583 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,240 important. Well, and it's no longer than 584 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,960 the focus of what is the highest THC percentage. 585 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,120 It's what is the best cannabinoid breakdown or 586 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,120 tierpene profile. What is that impact? 587 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,440 What is the effect going to be for me? 588 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,000 So it's no longer that indica sativa hybrid breakdown. 589 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,040 It's no longer a hey, we've got labeled as 35% THC, which it's 590 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,080 probably not like. You just, it's a lot of messing 591 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,320 with the numbers, just like you said, marketing. 592 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,240 It's just the marketing of it. It's, it's trying to get you to 593 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,560 use their product. And it really it, it really does 594 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,680 come down to the cultivar. It comes down to the nutrients 595 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,520 into the plant and and the observation of the entire life 596 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,840 cycle like it, it really is. It's such a delicate process. 597 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,400 It's not DRY. And cure. 598 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,840 It's so important for quality. But people don't they, they 599 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,200 think that it's just oh, yeah. Well, I'm just here to get 600 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,880 really high. There's so many different 601 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,720 things, like when I look at, you know, either my cartridges or I 602 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,080 look at my flower or my concentrates, each one of them 603 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,240 is like in a they're, they're in a medicine box. 604 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,320 That's why I consider it. And I'm like, what am I 605 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,840 experiencing right now? I'm, I'm feeling this way. 606 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,600 OK, Well, I'm gonna use this type of strain to help with my 607 00:31:58,600 --> 00:31:59,680 gut. I've got a headache. 608 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,080 I'm gonna take this one. You know, I'm, I'm nauseous, but 609 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,200 I'm hung. I'm I haven't eaten in days. 610 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,080 Like cool, I'm going to use this strain. 611 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,440 Yeah, and I think that mentality is kind of residual from 612 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,480 prohibition where it's like, oh, you just go to your plug and you 613 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,240 ask for weed and then you get weed. 614 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,600 Like it's not it's not something that it's like, oh, you know 615 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,520 what cultivar with what ratio of THC to CBD? 616 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:24,840 Do you have any minor cannabinoids? 617 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,760 Like we didn't know any of that. Like you got a bag of weed. 618 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:29,600 Hopefully you know and hopefully. 619 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,520 Right. Not like spice or something or 620 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,520 oregano. Like oregano like oregano like 621 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,880 dude, this shit looks like freeze dried broccoli. 622 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,200 Like Nah dude, it's it's fire. Take it. 623 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,320 Oh that would be so spicy. Oh, I feel so bad as somebody 624 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,400 smoked that. It's like that one guy. 625 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,200 But like, we, we didn't even know what a turbine was for so 626 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,960 long. Like that conversation wasn't 627 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,360 even happening for like a long, long time. 628 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,760 And now it's like we're in this amazing world where we have a 629 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,480 legal market and we have research and we have all this. 630 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,640 And like now having the ability to communicate it back to 631 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,560 people. Like that's what people are 632 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,200 striving for is to actually understand this better because 633 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,000 cannabis is such a complex medicine when we compare it to 634 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,840 our gold standard medicine, which is pharmaceutical 635 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,840 medication, which are single isolated compounds produced 636 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,080 synthetically. That's a lot different than a 637 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,080 complex natural product where you have hundreds of different 638 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,640 varieties or strains cultivated in different ways with different 639 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,800 terroirs of soil and we have different aroma profiles. 640 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,120 Like there's so much more to think about with cannabis 641 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,040 medicine and a lot of people aren't used to thinking about 642 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,680 their medicine and that complexity and being in charge 643 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,040 of learning about their own body and their own medicine away from 644 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,920 the traditional healthcare system. 645 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,280 So we do need educators in this space that can help break down 646 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,960 that and help say, OK, you're a medical patient for this reason. 647 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,040 Like check out these products, check out these cultivars. 648 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,160 Like this is what's happening in your body and This is why 649 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,600 cannabis is a medicine for you. Like we need more of that 650 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,239 information to just like we know cannabis is a medicine, but like 651 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,679 bringing validity through science and education is it's 652 00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,560 incredibly important. I agree because there's so much 653 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,199 that even every person that we talk to who's outside of 654 00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:22,280 cannabis is like, oh, we need more research, We need this. 655 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,639 And agreed like there's always room for more data. 656 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,520 There's always room For more information to perfect what we 657 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,560 have. And it's been such a regulated 658 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:36,000 or restricted substance for so long that we don't have lots of 659 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,239 great data. We have some and you know, 660 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,159 Israel's done some great research for us and there's 661 00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:45,280 research that's gone around the world, but we don't have a great 662 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,920 compiled collection of data at this point. 663 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,639 So the research studies that you guys are doing, that sounds 664 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,320 incredible. You said you have 7000 people so 665 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,840 far in the study or around there. 666 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,240 Or is there a way that people can join this study or a site 667 00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:02,840 they can go to to try and be part of that? 668 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,960 If you go to my Instagram or TikTok or YouTube profile, if 669 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,440 you click the link in my bio, the link is right there to 670 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,720 participate in the study. Or you could go to 671 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:19,680 appliedpharmacognosy.org org which is applied PHARMACOGNOS 672 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,960 y.org and you can find the study link there. 673 00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:25,520 And just to the point of like, we don't have enough research, 674 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,720 we have like 40,000 published papers on cannabis, cannabinoids 675 00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:34,160 and the endocannabinoid system. I genuinely think what we're 676 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,960 missing is 1 practical research, which we are currently, 677 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,200 currently really not allowed to do, as we were kind of talking 678 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,360 about in the beginning, because of a bill or an act that was 679 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,800 initiated in 2022. We're really limited by the 680 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,440 researchers that can participate in cannabis research and the 681 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,080 materials that they can use. Even if you have a DEA license 682 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,280 right now, you cannot walk into a dispensary, pull a bunch of 683 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,640 products off the shelf or purchase them and then just 684 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,560 study them like that. There's a huge limitation that 685 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,560 we cannot study the products that people are actually putting 686 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,120 into their body, and I cannot emphasize that enough. 687 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,440 The products that we have to research are grown by a typical 688 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,480 university cities and the genetics of those products or 689 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,000 that flower does not represent what people are actually putting 690 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,000 into their body. So if we really want practical, 691 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,120 tangible research, we need to be able to research the products 692 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,120 that people are actually using and research the people who are 693 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,800 using it. And then we can actually get to 694 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,040 some answers. But right now we're kind of just 695 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,320 doing this dance like around the legal infrastructure to help 696 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,880 appease some people. But it's like, OK, why are we 697 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,960 dumping millions of dollars into the study? 698 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,200 And if the answer we're going to get from that study is still not 699 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,400 that profound for figuring out any real questions that. 700 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,360 Kind of irrelevant because if you're not even tasting, testing 701 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,080 the same products, then you're like the data doesn't match what 702 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,240 even is out there. So it's like testing apples and 703 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,680 going, hey, this is what orange gives us and you're like, that 704 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,040 doesn't matter. Why are you spending money on 705 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,720 that? And it's to go back to what you 706 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:13,160 said earlier, you know, there are, you know, when the 707 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,400 government's over there, it's, it's like, it's the, it's the 708 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,960 undercover cop coming to hang out with the other guys going, 709 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,320 hey, what it be guys? Or like, who, who's this guy? 710 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,680 That's the way they're treating the government when they're ever 711 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,960 wanting any type of open study. And it's funny you said that 712 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,560 'cause I was talking to a woman. She's, she does payment 713 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,800 processing, very unique in the cannabis industry. 714 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:38,200 And she was going on, she asked me how do I get, how do I get 715 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,080 into these circles? I'm like, well, first, do you 716 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,680 use the product? She goes, no, never. 717 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,600 And I'm like, good luck, good luck. 718 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,800 And I said, that's a tight knit community. 719 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,960 Even if I brought you in and I said, hey, you should listen to 720 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,760 this lady. She goes, yeah, would that work? 721 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,160 I'm like, no, there'd be like, well, I don't know her. 722 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,440 I don't trust her. And it's because they have built 723 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,120 this wall. They built this wall. 724 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,800 We didn't build this wall. They totally did. 725 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,760 And they just kept getting thicker and thicker. 726 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,080 And just like it's put so much distance between us. 727 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:15,520 There needs to be that that bridge in order for those. 728 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:16,960 I mean, if that's what they need. 729 00:38:17,240 --> 00:38:19,560 But I think it's ridiculous that the government's doing that one 730 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,040 instead of just subsidizing it and being able to give it to 731 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,760 researchers like yourself to go and hey, we need you to gather 732 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,640 this information. And I think you're already on 733 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:32,160 that way with the, the studies that you're already doing that 734 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,760 are more focused on the consumer aspect, because that helps. 735 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,640 I mean, we've always said that right in, in order for the laws 736 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,280 to be able to change, we need more open consumers to be able 737 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,920 to start asking for it. That's why Utah got passed. 738 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:48,480 It was 70% of the voters in the state said yes. 739 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,960 We would like to have it legalized here for medicinal 740 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:52,120 use. Cool. 741 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,160 Yeah. And like having the ability to 742 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,120 also like, use science as advocacy, like data speaks the 743 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,240 best when you're talking to a government organization. 744 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,760 A like, like a state A or a, or a federal government, like you 745 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,600 need to be able to bring up numbers. 746 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,880 And if we have that data in numbers and we also have the 747 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,600 communication aspect where we can share that with people for 748 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,440 them to use for their own advocacy. 749 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,280 That's kind of our goal through the nonprofit is to empower 750 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,200 people in that way to be their own advocate, either with their 751 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,280 physician, with their family, with their government, you know, 752 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,400 whatever it is. Like we provide the data, we 753 00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,000 provide the education, and then you can do, you know, whatever 754 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,520 you want with that. So being a non profit, do you 755 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,920 you guys accept donations on your website as well? 756 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,720 Yeah, we do. And I also wanted to just put a 757 00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:43,560 note out there about, you know, we don't necessarily vibe too 758 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,040 well with what the government funds for studies, but the 759 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,080 industry, the cannabis industry has been really great to us. 760 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,640 We've worked with some really large companies and we're still 761 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,480 working with some large companies to help fund more 762 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,600 relevant data kind of outside of these traditional academic 763 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:00,640 systems. And we're incredibly thankful 764 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,520 for that. You know, seeing these really, 765 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,800 really, really large Msos or even just like edible companies 766 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,520 that are operating throughout all of the States and maybe in 767 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,600 other countries. They have a lot of money. 768 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,160 And they also, you know, it means a lot to us and it also 769 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,880 means a lot to our supporters to see them supporting our research 770 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,120 in that way and, you know, wanting to expand it in a 771 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,960 practical way, kind of for the people, not for the government. 772 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,720 You know, I just get more and more educated each time. 773 00:40:27,720 --> 00:40:29,880 You know, you think you know quite a bit about cannabis, but 774 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,120 you really don't. And it's surprising to us how 775 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:37,160 many consumers we meet that really have no idea what they're 776 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,040 doing other than this makes me feel something. 777 00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:44,320 Oh yeah, 'cause so many have been like, hey, I've been 778 00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,920 listening and I didn't realize that there was a difference in 779 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,520 weed. I've always, like you said, gone 780 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,320 to my plug and just gotten weed. Yeah. 781 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:53,240 Hey, do you have any weed? Yeah. 782 00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:56,120 And they think that it's all the same and it's not. 783 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,240 There's such a difference in ever even like cultivar to 784 00:40:59,240 --> 00:41:02,400 cultivar, you know, like the terpene profile, the cannabinoid 785 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,360 breakdown, everything is drastically different even in 786 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:09,520 the same state. So you can really find that 787 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,440 what, like whatever cultivar fits best for you. 788 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,840 And yeah. Yeah, it's. 789 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,000 I I think there's a huge problem here though. 790 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,320 Is that money for a lot of people? 791 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,560 You know, we always say, you know, find the right strain for 792 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,240 your brain, find the right cultivar, but a lot of people 793 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:30,120 don't have like $200.00 to put towards trying all of these 794 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,360 different cultivars and strains to find which one works for them 795 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,320 the best. So I really like seeing 796 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,480 companies making that more accessible, whether it's making, 797 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,160 you know, quality pre rolls, selling it in a pack of five 798 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,280 with five different cultivars so you can smoke them all and then 799 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,800 figure out which one works best for you. 800 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,440 Just able to like lower that barrier of entry or using 801 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,040 machine learning, using AI, using some sort of large data 802 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,640 set to see what types of people react to things better. 803 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,520 But when we think of this huge gap in information or education 804 00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,360 too, it's like, it's not surprising at all to me when I 805 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,360 look at something like a COA, because Coas are not simple like 806 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,120 at all. Most of those words, nobody 807 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,520 knows what they mean. If you're new to cannabis, like 808 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,080 all of those words are just really long science words that 809 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,480 nobody knows. And then they're reported in 810 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,800 percentages like 0.5%, you know, mercy. 811 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,120 And it's like, like, is that a lot? 812 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,360 Not a lot. Like what is that? 813 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,000 What? Is like what the hell is Mira 814 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,160 seen? Yeah, like we. 815 00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,320 Need putting dies in it. Right. 816 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,880 Like that's fine for us as like educated people in the industry, 817 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,240 consumer scientists, like we can look at that. 818 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,640 But when we actually are trying to communicate to a new 819 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,320 consumer, I think our industry needs to do a better job of 820 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,480 presenting something like ACOA in a way that's digestible to 821 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,600 somebody who's relatively new to cannabis. 822 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,560 And I know there's a lot of people working on this, but it's 823 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,400 a massive, massive barrier in the industry. 824 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,520 Well, it makes a lot of sense 'cause every COA that I look at 825 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,360 and it's still like OK, cool is yes even accurately tested and 826 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,600 cool yes, I'm looking through it, but at the same time, like 827 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,120 you said, it's like sciency words for a lot of people. 828 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,960 So it's like looking at the back of my ingredients bottle and 829 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,800 going why the fuck is this in there? 830 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:20,520 Who put? I don't know what this is? 831 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,440 Why is this in there? Does this belong in here? 832 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,840 They're putting this in my weed, yes, that just naturally occurs. 833 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,560 You're fine like but it's this understanding and misconception 834 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,880 and if you don't have that knowledge then it's like. 835 00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,600 Well, I think most people who look or even know what ACOA is, 836 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,160 they almost kind of look at it like, you know, the Apple 837 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,840 agreement you get with your update. 838 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,840 You go, I'm not gonna read this whole fucking thing. 839 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:47,600 Yes, there we go. And they just go, well, it's got 840 00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,320 science and numbers on the back. Must be good for me. 841 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,640 Open up the package right. Definitely we need. 842 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,240 Yeah, it's definitely, look at that one, Jerry. 843 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,360 I mean, it's, it's the same way that consumers are looking at 844 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,480 the back of a cereal box. Like they're not looking about 845 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,680 how much niacin's in there. They just want to see the 846 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,120 protein and the sugar content. That's all they care about. 847 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,400 So like you said, it's bring it down to like a really basic 848 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,720 understanding. And as, as we have dispensaries 849 00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:19,760 and other places like that, they're not the best place to 850 00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,360 get educated in cannabis. Most of these people have no 851 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,760 idea what they're. So I, I just visited one of our 852 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,440 good friends Dragonfly dispensaries here in Utah. 853 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,360 You know, I visited their dispensary just a little while 854 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:33,720 ago to get a brand new guy there. 855 00:44:33,720 --> 00:44:36,680 And I said, Hey, we pretty much know everybody there now. 856 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,720 And, and this new guy was there and I was just like, oh man, I 857 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:42,280 said, maybe you've heard my podcast. 858 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,360 And I tell him he goes, Oh, dude, that's what I need. 859 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,760 I know nothing about this. And it's so sad because it's 860 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,400 like, well, what did you give him? 861 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:51,720 Well, we gave him a crash course. 862 00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:53,920 We said, this is a plant, Do you use it? 863 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,000 And you go, Yep, cool, don't use it while you're here. 864 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,920 Get in front of a store. That's typically how it's done 865 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:03,480 everywhere from what we've seen. Yeah, it's sad 'cause there's 866 00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,840 not a lot of education among a lot of bud tenders or people in 867 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,080 the industry. And even there's a lot of 868 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,160 companies that have reached out to us over the years and there's 869 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,440 been a lot that we've turned down because again, we realize 870 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,760 they're not consumers, They're not in the industry because they 871 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,280 consume. They're just in the industry 872 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,600 because they go, look, it's a cash cow. 873 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,680 I can make a lot of money. And it's like, you're not in 874 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,720 this industry. You don't, you don't even know 875 00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:30,400 the people. You don't know who your end 876 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,600 users are. You don't truly connect with 877 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,440 them. And I'm not saying that you have 878 00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:38,120 to go out and get high as shit. In fact, I don't support that 879 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,240 for most people because it's finding proper dosing and stuff 880 00:45:41,240 --> 00:45:44,320 for them. And you don't have to get crazy 881 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,440 high like your husband smoking CBD. 882 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,080 He's not getting crazy high. Yeah, he might feel really nice. 883 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,480 He's not getting crazy high, but he at least has an understanding 884 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,000 of what that plant does way better than someone who never 885 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,720 consumes it at all. And those people, I'm like, I 886 00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,480 feel much better going. I'm sorry. 887 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:04,800 We're just not going to have you on the show. 888 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:11,280 Like, and it's not like it's not they're bad people or bad 889 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,080 companies. It's just there's often times, I 890 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,320 think a massive disconnect between people just coming into 891 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,280 it trying to make money and those who are in it for the 892 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,680 consumer. And it's not to say that they 893 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,040 couldn't come into that community, but there is a 894 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,600 barrier to entry. And if it's you're, if you're 895 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,360 just there, if, if they know that you're there just to make 896 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,160 money, the consumers know that the cannabis community knows 897 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,120 that they don't, they don't take kind to it. 898 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,280 Not that they're gonna be mean. I mean, far from it. 899 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,640 They just like, I choose not to associate with you, Sir. 900 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,040 And, and that, that's it. But it's, I don't know. 901 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,280 I, I think it's amazing what you've been able to accomplish. 902 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,040 I think it's even cooler to think about what the future what 903 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,840 What are some of the future studies that you guys are gonna 904 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,240 be doing if you can reveal that? Yeah. 905 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,680 A lot of our future studies, at least in the laboratory have to 906 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,160 do with the endocannabinoid system, the enzymes, the 907 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,600 receptors and really understanding strain specificity 908 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,400 with the ECS. So that's what we have a 909 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,960 research base at Northeastern University where we do a lot of 910 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,280 our research. So we'll be continuing to, I 911 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,800 can't share too much about like what enzymes and what we're 912 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,920 doing, but a lot of the hard science that we're going to be 913 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,040 doing is involved in the ECS. But some of the current work 914 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,080 we're doing, just advocacy work is actually exactly what you 915 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,880 guys are talking about talking to a bud tender. 916 00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,440 And there's so many companies within this industry that don't 917 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,640 allow their employees to use cannabis while they work. 918 00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:45,280 And we're trying to actively start that conversation asking 919 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,920 why? Because if we're trying to set a 920 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,920 standard and a precedence that cannabis is medicine and people 921 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,160 need it for everyday use and it helps with social anxiety and it 922 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,400 helps with so many things, if somebody does feel comfortable 923 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,040 consuming cannabis at work, then we should be the industry that 924 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,200 initiates that and does allow that. 925 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:08,120 So we have an advocacy advocacy thing called Weird Brains, which 926 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,720 is essentially talking about neurodivergent people within the 927 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:13,920 cannabis space and how we can better accommodate within the 928 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,760 cannabis space. Because there's a lot of really 929 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,760 beautifully weird people in cannabis. 930 00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,720 And we should be embracing that culture and embracing the the 931 00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:25,680 cannabis part of that culture. And, you know, of course there's 932 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,720 some positions where no matter what, you're not going to be 933 00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:31,840 allowed to use cannabis during your daily tasks. 934 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,120 But there's also a lot of positions that can be more 935 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,920 accommodating. And we're just trying to start 936 00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,280 that conversation about what it's like hiring, you know, 937 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,240 stoners essentially. And should And should the 938 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:47,200 cannabis consumer have to hide their cannabis consumption when 939 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,440 they're working at a cannabis company like a lot of? 940 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,880 People are still doing that and. We don't think that that's OK. 941 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:55,720 Oh, it's ridiculous. Had a little. 942 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,880 Dab we support. That, please, we've been 943 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,520 consuming. But it's the same way here. 944 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:06,200 We live in a medical only state, meaning it is 100% only a 945 00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,480 medicine. So you have to be medically 946 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,720 approved. And the reasons here are chronic 947 00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:13,600 pain is the most approved one. So you're telling me all these 948 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,480 people who have chronic pain 'cause that's like probably at 949 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:23,080 least 70 to 80% of our market. So then it's going, OK, so 950 00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,360 they're not allowed to use medicine during the day that 951 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,040 they work. Oh, and they can't drive either. 952 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:29,600 They're not. Allowed to drive. 953 00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,320 To work and they're not allowed to work and they're not allowed 954 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,720 to do anything to improve their quality. 955 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,920 But it's Madison. You know, they probably have 956 00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,960 higher numbers at like credit card companies in their customer 957 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,960 service department. Everybody was baked. 958 00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,920 Well, every time I go into Costa Vida for my kids, I see a thing 959 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,480 and it's like, oh, we're hiring, can you smile and roll up your 960 00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,920 burrito? And I'm like every Stoner ever. 961 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,960 Like it's just rolling a joint and smiling like, oh shit, I got 962 00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,040 this. How you doing? 963 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,880 Roll this? Like how many can I? 964 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,760 Get you, man. Yeah, yeah, that sounds great. 965 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,480 Yeah. Tortilla. 966 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,960 Which rice, man? Yeah, throw it in there. 967 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,560 Just always excited to make that meal like it. 968 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,800 It would, but it would. Literally when I managed to 969 00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,000 count and when I had really shitty people that I had to deal 970 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,640 with, it was so much better to take a toke before I went into 971 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:25,280 the meeting because I was more capable of handling the bullshit 972 00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,400 of keeping A level head and just addressing the issues without 973 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,360 going, man, now I'm getting stressed. 974 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:35,560 Now I can just sit back and go, all right, cool, let's let's 975 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,160 talk this out. Let's listen through it. 976 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,520 And I've been able to do that through so many jobs. 977 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,200 And again, like you said, there's not every job might be 978 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,760 the best suited for that. There's definitely certain times 979 00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,440 that I'm doing things that I'm like, no, I feel OK at this 980 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,360 level. I'm not OK at my normal level 981 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,960 because I'm doing something that I don't feel like that would be 982 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,280 smart. And usually that's involving 983 00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,880 like saws or something like that. 984 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,520 And then I have a certain level of like saws. 985 00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:04,960 You know, something that's dangerous. 986 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,200 Like we we understand that component. 987 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,800 Yeah. So I'm like, I don't want to 988 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,760 chance any time distortion, delay any hesitation. 989 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,400 Like I don't want to risk it so. I was thinking about juggling 990 00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,640 chainsaws, but yeah, I guess that's a no, yeah. 991 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,920 I mean, you, you probably have different skills than I, so you 992 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,080 know, you do you. I can't juggle. 993 00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:31,160 No, but I think about that too. Like there are things, there are 994 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:34,480 jobs, especially very monotonous jobs where we see a lot of that 995 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,840 coming into white collar jobs are starting to go away in 996 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:43,840 Mastro's and it's going more towards production or, you know, 997 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,040 manual labor, which is a good turn as well, right? 998 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,040 It is a really good turn. But some of these jobs 999 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,640 absolutely blow, right. Like, Oh yeah, I was a rock 1000 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,480 Mason and I would have loved to been high when I was a rock 1001 00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:58,840 Mason. Oh yeah, 'cause I would have 1002 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,400 been so artistic, just shaped that rock the way I want. 1003 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,120 Put that. Yeah, that's a beautiful rock. 1004 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,160 A lot of love goes into that. And I think that's when, when 1005 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,280 you use cannabis, like anything that you're making, such as, I 1006 00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,120 mean, anything you do for work, like what you do, you love it. 1007 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,000 You absolutely love it. You're not like getting up, 1008 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:22,800 going the pain in the ass job, getting people science medicine. 1009 00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,800 I blaze all day and my. My. 1010 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:30,320 My Co founder of the nonprofit, like every time we have to write 1011 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,360 papers or we'd have to write protocols or SOP any anything 1012 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,440 like we use cannabis regularly as a productivity tool. 1013 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,120 Like we're like, oh, you want a sesh and like get a bunch done? 1014 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:42,840 Sure. And then that's just our 1015 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,120 intention going into that sesh. And we're so much more 1016 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,040 productive. We're so much more creative. 1017 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,680 We're so much more organic in what we produce that it really 1018 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,720 it is a, a, a business tool for us, which sounds kind of crazy, 1019 00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:59,160 but like we've, we've been so productive with what we've done 1020 00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,880 in this nonprofit in the last year and cannabis is an A huge 1021 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,960 portion of that. That's awesome. 1022 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,080 There's another company that we've heard out out in 1023 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:12,480 California and they have like cannabis and psilocybin at work 1024 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:16,400 that they're employees can use while they're at work for 1025 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,000 productivity and stuff. And I'm like, that's really 1026 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,120 progressive. But like, how many people look 1027 00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,360 at it and they're like, oh, and I was thinking about this the 1028 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,240 other day. I'm just thinking about like the 1029 00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:30,960 stoned ape theory and how they think that comes from mushrooms. 1030 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,440 So OK, you're telling me that you think that a monkey got 1031 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,840 smarter from eating these mushrooms and yet you're 1032 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,960 thinking that we should stay away from these mushrooms or 1033 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,840 that they might not make you smarter or help you? 1034 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,440 Like why would you? If that's a theory that you 1035 00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,880 believe in any aspect, why would you think that it would be 1036 00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,840 harmful for you if it made the monkey turn into what humans 1037 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,680 are? And it's also like this is back 1038 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:02,000 to the conversation of dose and like if we just understand that 1039 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:06,760 different doses cause us to feel and react to things differently, 1040 00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,600 then, you know, we really understand medicine so much 1041 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,000 more. Like the company that you're 1042 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,080 talking about, they're probably not putting, you know, 4G 1043 00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,200 capsules of psilocybin out there for everyone to just, you know, 1044 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,960 Willy nilly take during the day because then all your employees 1045 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,920 are, you know, tripping balls. And that's. 1046 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,120 Not off in space talking to God or something. 1047 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:26,880 You're like what? Yeah, good luck looking at a 1048 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,040 computer. But like if they're, you know, 1049 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:33,000 .25, but they're micro doses, you know, that is the 1050 00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,800 productivity, that's the social, that's the energy, that's the 1051 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:40,000 creative and just even I think you were so right about people 1052 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,280 taking these substances in order to understand them. 1053 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,600 I 100% of people don't have to. But if you really do want to 1054 00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:49,400 understand it, try a micro dose of psilostybin. 1055 00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,200 You're not going to be seeing things happening all around you 1056 00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,880 and not be able to form words, not be able to do anything. 1057 00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,960 You're just going to have like a more heightened effect on life. 1058 00:54:59,960 --> 00:55:02,080 Things are going to be brighter, you're going to think a little 1059 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,960 differently, you're going to be a little more social. 1060 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,760 It's a really beautiful thing. And we can't attribute that 1061 00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,960 microdose to what we're used to seeing with the macro dose. 1062 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,640 And macro doses, they're therapeutic. 1063 00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,440 There's a place for them. But like we, we're trying to 1064 00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:17,760 like attribute the same feeling and experience with fully 1065 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,360 different doses and it's a completely different experience. 1066 00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,280 Yeah, microdoses for me. I feel like it's almost like 1067 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:27,520 being a kid again, Like colors are more vibrant, sounds are 1068 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:32,080 more like stimulating, and I just have this endless energy 1069 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,200 and I'm like, oh shit, like I could go do all sorts of stuff 1070 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,320 and then normal means like, oh man, I'd be so tired, right? 1071 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,240 Now what's your micro dose? I just do .1. 1072 00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:49,760 I just do a 10th of a gram so between usually .1 to .15 so 1073 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,800 it's not usually too high. I'll do 122 and being able to, 1074 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,520 I've done two, I've done 3 before. 1075 00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,920 It was point 3.3. It was, it was decent during the 1076 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,520 daytime. Any more than that, I, I start 1077 00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:08,120 to feel a little too giggly and I'm like, no, probably not the 1078 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,360 best for a business conversation right now. 1079 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:14,560 But I, I remember that I was at a business lunch and it all 1080 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,680 kicked in at once and I was like, and he was asking me some 1081 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:22,560 complex questions and I'm like, fuck, what? 1082 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:26,640 Feel like that Tom and Jerry thing? 1083 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,200 Like you go what? That's beautiful. 1084 00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:36,200 That's yeah, I, I and thinking about that too, microdosing. 1085 00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,120 We've talked about that with with cannabis and you know, I 1086 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,400 actually a client that I'm working with right now, he had 1087 00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,120 actually stated he's like, I need to be microdosing cannabis. 1088 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,200 And that's another thing that people don't think about is that 1089 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:51,120 you can microdose cannabis, you don't just have to get blazed 1090 00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,120 high. There's a cool product called 1091 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:59,040 Mode that does dosing for 5-10 cartridges. 1092 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,520 So you can pop it into there and you can dose it from one to five 1093 00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:07,680 5 milligrams and it you pull and it it just you see the counter 1094 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,280 go up and when it's it hits that point it it stops, that's it. 1095 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,480 That's all you get and that's really cool on that side. 1096 00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:18,000 It'd be cool to see that like in a vaporizer, but that's pretty 1097 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:19,800 hard. You got to bake the bowl and I 1098 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:21,200 have no idea where you're pulling there. 1099 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:25,440 I just there's a graduation of of when you use the product and 1100 00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,840 I think it's the weed back when you were 14 is totally different 1101 00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,440 from today and that you you can't smoke a joint with 1102 00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,280 somebody feeling all right, depending on what you have in 1103 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:40,040 there and this big push for high THC, somebody's going to have a 1104 00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:41,680 real bad experience. I think about your brother all 1105 00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,400 the time. I'm like, man, that sucks. 1106 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,440 He had a bad time. Like, I don't know how that's 1107 00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,320 possible. I remember when I was first 1108 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,560 getting back into it. Yeah, but again. 1109 00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,320 But it was not the best he's. So straight, and I was thinking 1110 00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,400 about it, he's so straight laced, he doesn't utilize 1111 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:58,240 caffeine, he doesn't use anything, no stimulus. 1112 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:03,000 So he is not used to any distortion of his reality in the 1113 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,360 slightest. So to have all of a sudden a 1114 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,720 good amount of cannabis that was like this sent him in there and 1115 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,520 he was like, I can't do complex math problems. 1116 00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,000 I'm like you don't need to be doing complex math problems 1117 00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,000 right now. Did he have like an anxiety 1118 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,000 attack? Is that what it like resulted in 1119 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,440 essentially? Not not, I think a minor one, 1120 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:25,080 but in his mind more, it was just more he was sitting there 1121 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,240 and he's like, I don't understand. 1122 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,400 He's like, now I could see how people could use this. 1123 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,360 Like if you didn't have a job and you didn't care about 1124 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:39,440 anything so sad. So you just like whatever it did 1125 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:44,920 with his mind, it just made him feel so dumb and so disconnected 1126 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,720 or whatever. And I'm like, well, that's 1127 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:51,200 probably dosing again. It's you've never been distorted 1128 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,680 in like any sort of way it. Was a minor psychedelic 1129 00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,200 experience that he was experiencing. 1130 00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:56,760 I mean I could understand that cause. 1131 00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,040 So it's like the. First time doing psilocybin, 1132 00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,880 you're like, it's like my first time doing LSD. 1133 00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,160 When I did that, he was back when I was getting out of the 1134 00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:09,480 Navy and I got four hits on sugar cubes and as my first time 1135 00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,840 and I didn't know what he gave me. 1136 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,560 He's just like, put this in your mouth, don't you? 1137 00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:17,200 I'm like, all right. And then the the carpet starts 1138 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:20,120 moving and the trees are swaying, but there's no wind. 1139 00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:24,200 And it was just it was intense and lasts for 12 hours. 1140 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,480 It was it was quite remarkable. But you know, when somebody has 1141 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:33,360 those experiences like that, like even at that dose for them 1142 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,520 to I I don't know, I think there's needs to be like a 1143 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:39,760 process that many times we sometimes forget as long time 1144 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:43,760 consumers with new consumers. It really needs to be a very 1145 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:49,240 baby step going through it. And and yeah, like hemp exactly 1146 00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,440 like I'm gonna smoke. You're gonna smoke this first. 1147 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,360 You might feel a little bit of these things and then gradually, 1148 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,680 but teach them about that. Like there's what the body's 1149 00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:57,880 going to go through. Here's how you're going to 1150 00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,040 experience these. Chemicals. 1151 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,680 Then you can mix the hemp with the THC. 1152 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,400 Cannabis, right one. Cannabis and slowly find your 1153 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:07,800 kind of perfect dose and titrate in and I think that's like a 1154 01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,080 great tool and like slowly getting used to it because we 1155 01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,760 often think of just like consuming a little bit and then 1156 01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,200 a little bit more and then a little bit more. 1157 01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,720 You can consume the same amount, but just control your ratio of 1158 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,320 hemp flour to THC dominant flour. 1159 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:25,520 And like we take the same amount but control the level of active 1160 01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,280 ingredients in that way. And also like back to the 1161 01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,200 setting, setting conversation that we were having and what you 1162 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:36,000 guys were talking about, I found with my husband, sometimes when 1163 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:41,040 he consumes cannabis, not at our house, like just like somewhere 1164 01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,800 else, like on a nature walk or something, he reacts better 1165 01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,600 because like at our house, there's more of a chance of 1166 01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,600 somebody stopping by or something happening where he 1167 01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:54,280 does need to use his brain. But if we're kind of isolated in 1168 01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,400 a situation where not much can go wrong, I think he reacts 1169 01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,080 better to it because he can just kind of enjoy the moment and not 1170 01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:02,440 have to be like, what if, you know, what if this happens? 1171 01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:04,560 What if this happens? Because at home, there's all the 1172 01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,440 regular everyday things that can occur. 1173 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,240 But if you're out of nature, you're, you know. 1174 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,440 The one thing I do find pretty cool with cannabis, though, is 1175 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,600 that even it like say a, a dangerous situation arises. 1176 01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:21,040 I find that my adrenaline kicks in right away and it almost 1177 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,720 nullifies how I'm feeling. So it's it's not worried about 1178 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,320 those things. Like if you know that you get 1179 01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,200 you're very sensitive to cannabis, guess what? 1180 01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,320 Plan on not driving, just plan on it. 1181 01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:35,520 But if you're pretty good with it, I mean, I, I will, I'm 1182 01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:36,960 always open. I'm like, yeah, I consume. 1183 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:41,840 Well, I'm I've before, she said. Over 60% of them are driving and 1184 01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,840 consuming like they. I'm in the 64. 1185 01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:44,840 Percent. Yeah, me too. 1186 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,840 Yeah, 100. Percent I'm open about. 1187 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,960 It well, it's when you consume all the time and there was even 1188 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:55,480 a like a video study that was done with some UHP in some state 1189 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,480 and they found that people were basically fine up to a gram of 1190 01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:00,880 smoking, like this one gram joint. 1191 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:04,680 And it was like, OK, by that point of a gram, their reaction 1192 01:02:04,680 --> 01:02:08,480 was a little bit slower. But for like the medical 1193 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,680 consumers or everyone else, it's like you're OK. 1194 01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,240 Oh, yeah, of course. I mean, because you're putting 1195 01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,880 them in a disassociated state and they had no idea what 1196 01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,520 they're getting into. They're like, here, you join 1197 01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,600 this study here, smoke this and get behind the wheel. 1198 01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,640 And they're like, and it's like some sweet old lady over there 1199 01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:25,840 going, I've never tried the grass. 1200 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,600 And then she just starts driving and she starts swerving all over 1201 01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,240 the place. They're like, oh, see, ruined 1202 01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:32,640 you. Oh. 1203 01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,080 My gosh, we were Frank Sinatra. We were listening to some Frank 1204 01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:40,320 Sinatra the other day and my oldest was like, dad, is is 1205 01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:43,600 grass weed? And I was like, yes, grass is 1206 01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,640 weed. There was just like, OK, because 1207 01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,760 it just come out in the song and I'm like, Oh yeah. 1208 01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,320 But it's it's interesting. Just all the difference it 1209 01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,360 terms. It was good. 1210 01:02:56,040 --> 01:03:00,160 I was just going. To say like we also don't get 1211 01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,840 inside because people with higher tolerances, daily 1212 01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:06,320 consumers, we have less cannabinoid receptors because 1213 01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,680 we've built a tolerance. So that like how we build 1214 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,160 tolerance is our body actually takes away some receptors so 1215 01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,760 that we like literally don't feel the same amount as high. 1216 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,680 So it makes sense for this research, which I love that the 1217 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,760 study came out just showing that people with higher tolerances 1218 01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:27,480 that you don't, you don't have any implications for your you to 1219 01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,280 drive a motor vehicle. And I think we know that's true 1220 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,240 because we have a higher tolerance. 1221 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:34,400 And it's like we're more comfortable with so many 1222 01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,760 different things happening while we're consuming cannabis that, 1223 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:39,960 you know, as you guys are saying, it's not the same like 1224 01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,520 fight or flight. I've never felt this way before. 1225 01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,120 I don't know how to react in like that stressful situation, 1226 01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,560 you know, because we've been through, we've lived our whole 1227 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,800 lives like this, just our norm, like we're used to it. 1228 01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,360 Why I it's been a couple of years, but I rode motorcycles 1229 01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:58,040 for years and I would consume and then I would go ride. 1230 01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:04,200 And for me, I become hyperaware. And then I noticed, OK, this 1231 01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,280 person as I'm coming up on them, their eyes are looking down. 1232 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,080 They're probably on their phone, They're distracted. 1233 01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:10,760 I'm going to just where I'm at in this lane. 1234 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,400 Like I became hyperaware of everything then. 1235 01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:18,440 I've never gotten an accident through then, but I've always 1236 01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:22,320 consumed cannabis and they've gotten in really weird instances 1237 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,840 that my bike's like done really scary shit. 1238 01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:30,480 But again, you just become like so ingrained in that moment. 1239 01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,440 But I think cannabis really allows that. 1240 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,720 It's allowed everything else to disappear that I can just it 1241 01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,440 literally became the bike was an attachment of me and I would 1242 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:45,040 feel everything. So yeah, it's it's a very 1243 01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:47,480 different experience when you but and. 1244 01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:51,480 It's also to be self aware on that, like know exactly where 1245 01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,280 you are. Just like you stated, you know 1246 01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,760 your dose. It has to be slowly figured out. 1247 01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,360 Don't trust the budtender going. These gummies are amazing. 1248 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,720 You should try them too, because it's you're not thinking about 1249 01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,360 the the ramifications of what you are consuming. 1250 01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:10,400 If you're new to it, if you if you're a legacy user, or at 1251 01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,360 least I mean, I would say like a a little over a couple years. 1252 01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,320 Usually that's when you feel a little bit more comfortable 1253 01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,880 knowing a lot more about it. Like really listen to your your 1254 01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,360 friends that do consume consistently. 1255 01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:26,000 Listen to our podcast, listen to your podcast where you're going 1256 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:30,480 to learn more about it in depth where it's not so much of I just 1257 01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,240 use this to get high. Now you start looking at it as a 1258 01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:37,120 medicine cabinet or a tool toolbox because it truly is. 1259 01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,560 It's either one and you can utilize it in any way you want 1260 01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:42,800 to. It's just taking the time and 1261 01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,320 being really open about it. I think that's by far the most 1262 01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,440 important thing is being open about it, 'cause why? 1263 01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,480 Why hide it? My, my, I mean, everybody who 1264 01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,480 knows me, when I have the joke going on all the time, people 1265 01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,120 say, what do you do? I said, I smoke pot for a 1266 01:05:56,120 --> 01:06:01,480 living, what do you do? And they go, Nah, it's it. 1267 01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:05,280 They, you'd think that a lot of people just as far as like what 1268 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,840 you would assume that people would be like, well, we're done 1269 01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,360 talking here, Sir. It's more on. 1270 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,640 So where do you get it? They're so open. 1271 01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:19,280 They are really wanting to do this, and they've just got this 1272 01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:21,160 weird stigma that they just can't let go of. 1273 01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,560 They're afraid. Yeah. 1274 01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:27,600 And I, I also like around the conversation of cannabis and 1275 01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:29,200 driving. I think it's also very 1276 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,880 responsible for our community to understand that even as a 1277 01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,720 seasoned cannabis user, you still can be too high to drive 1278 01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:38,240 like that's. Totally. 1279 01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,200 Yeah, as you were talking about, that one gram was the limit for 1280 01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:45,200 most people. And for me, I used to not take a 1281 01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,480 lot of dabs. I was just smoking flour. 1282 01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,480 And then I'd rip a dab and be like having a borderline like, 1283 01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:54,880 yeah, just insane, overwhelming experience. 1284 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,640 I was still having a good time, but would I hop in a vehicle? 1285 01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,800 Absolutely not. I didn't even think about doing 1286 01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,360 that. But as a consumer, you know that 1287 01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:08,000 I feel like most seasoned cannabis consumers feel that. 1288 01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:12,280 And when I would get to that feeling of like, hey, I feel 1289 01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,720 high. Usually for me, that's when I 1290 01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,600 don't feel OK to drive is hey, I feel high. 1291 01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:22,680 I don't normally feel high. So for me, if I'm going, oh 1292 01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:26,120 shit, I feel high, I'm not going to be driving, I'm not going to 1293 01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,960 be behind the vehicle. I'm going to have like cannabis 1294 01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,840 in my system. But I'm, you know, that's way 1295 01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:33,240 different than being high. The. 1296 01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,240 Classic Dude I'm so high right now. 1297 01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,320 If anyone says those exact words, they should not hop in a 1298 01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,080 vehicle. Yeah, they've stopped talking. 1299 01:07:43,080 --> 01:07:44,800 They're not even snacking anymore. 1300 01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,000 They're more or less just staring and slow moving. 1301 01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,440 I don't know. Why are you moving so slow? 1302 01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,000 Because there's tracers Princess. 1303 01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:58,160 You know, I remember going on a ride in the passenger seat on a 1304 01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:02,520 micro dose or on like AI guess more of a macro dose of 1305 01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,600 psilocybin. But my buddies were going out 1306 01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,640 and I was like, yeah, it might be fun to go on an adventure. 1307 01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,000 And I'm like, but I don't want to drive. 1308 01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,240 And they're like, no. And I'm like, yeah, I could 1309 01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:14,600 like, but I'd chill in the seat. Like I'd go cruise around. 1310 01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,439 And I feel it's kind of the same way when you use cannabis and 1311 01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:21,319 you actually feel high. You don't want to drive. 1312 01:08:21,319 --> 01:08:24,319 Like you're like, no, I'm OK. I that doesn't sound good at 1313 01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:26,080 all. I chill. 1314 01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,720 Like we could go cruise, but I just want to sit there. 1315 01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,560 I don't want to do the driving. I'll play great music, I'll 1316 01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,160 facilitate great conversation, but I just don't want to be the 1317 01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,200 one controlling the vehicle. Yeah, but I feel like that's 1318 01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:42,600 usually with, it's not the same confidence that alcohol gives 1319 01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,399 you that you're like, Oh yeah, no, I'm good, I can get behind 1320 01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:46,520 it. You're like, oh shit. 1321 01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,840 Look, the, the I drive better when I'm drunk. 1322 01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:53,479 I, I, I, I remember those say those, these rednecks I hang out 1323 01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,720 with all the time. The guy with the mullet, right? 1324 01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,399 He'd be like dude, and he'd, he'd do that with the hair, you 1325 01:08:58,399 --> 01:09:01,760 know, just whip it around. I'm, I'm so much better driving 1326 01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,040 when I'm drunk. Just give me a case of Natty's 1327 01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:08,800 and I'm good to go. Hey, no, I did we, we just know 1328 01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,760 that it's, I don't know you. You become more in touch with 1329 01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,520 yourself and who you are and where your limits are. 1330 01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,800 And, and sometimes, I mean, there are individuals like some 1331 01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:19,800 of the ones we talked about within social media. 1332 01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:24,080 They used to be educational. Now they're just like watch me 1333 01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:28,560 do A1 gram dab like. Watch me get as high as I can. 1334 01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,880 Yeah, it's like. Stop doing. 1335 01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,640 That if I wanted to see someone get as high as they could, I 1336 01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,720 think that would be me. That guy's going to be Why? 1337 01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,279 Would I want to watch you get as high as you could? 1338 01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,240 That sounds really fucking boring. 1339 01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,520 Pass. And they just, you just see 1340 01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,560 them, they just look like, they look like Elvis Presley before 1341 01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:51,479 he died. They just like they just make 1342 01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,040 sounds they don't really have. You guys greened out before? 1343 01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:59,840 I have a couple times. No, no. 1344 01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:03,600 It's pretty uncomfortable, I'm not gonna lie. 1345 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:07,160 I greened out for the first time like just a few months ago. 1346 01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,280 I was making can of butter for my parents 'cause I make them 1347 01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:14,520 caramels and I just like happened to be gifted a bunch of 1348 01:10:14,520 --> 01:10:16,960 pierogies and I was like, oh sick, I'm going to dip them in 1349 01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,880 the butter. And then I ended up eating way 1350 01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:25,360 too much butter and then it like I got sick for the first time. 1351 01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,680 I've heard of people like vomiting, using too much 1352 01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,040 cannabis. I was vomiting, I was sick. 1353 01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:34,680 The room was spinning like like I had drank like a ton of 1354 01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,960 alcohol and used a bunch of cannabis. 1355 01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,480 Like. Spinning like I had to put on a 1356 01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:42,880 weighted blanket and like literally just like sip water 1357 01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,080 and like wait it out. It was. 1358 01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,280 It was very uncomfortable. I think edibles would be the 1359 01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:50,280 only thing that would maybe do that, but it would have to be 1360 01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:54,840 close to like probably 1000 milligrams and it's been so long 1361 01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,240 since I've done anything even remotely close to that. 1362 01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,080 I don't like edibles, I've never liked them. 1363 01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:02,120 And then that experience made me say like, hey, maybe I just 1364 01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:05,000 should never touch an edible again, 'cause no. 1365 01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,360 Yeah. Yeah, I I've had that. 1366 01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,080 I've I've had one instance where I greened out. 1367 01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,560 I had an edible before we hung out. 1368 01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:17,560 We smoked a bunch of flour and then we were messing with 1369 01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,880 terpenes and dripping. Terpenes on on top of the bowl 1370 01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:23,880 of the experience. And we're like, dude, let's move 1371 01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:27,240 the high around our faces, man. And then it was like going to my 1372 01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:30,200 forehead and then it'd go to my cheeks and then the back of my 1373 01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:35,120 head, not knowing that I am overloading myself with so much. 1374 01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:36,760 Like people go, Oh yeah, the terpenes. 1375 01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:38,680 That'd be fine. Like no, no, no, that's. 1376 01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,240 Like was that also when we created the mafics, like those 1377 01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:44,800 edibles that were twice the dose, was that the time? 1378 01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,000 So you did you have one of those that. 1379 01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:47,840 Time. Yeah, we called them. 1380 01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,000 That's what it was. We even wrote that on the box. 1381 01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,200 The fuck? Because it was accidentally a 1382 01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,760 double dose and for him that was way too high. 1383 01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,920 But it didn't kick in yet and so we smoked. 1384 01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,040 I felt fine. I'm like, all right, dude, I'm 1385 01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:03,120 going to take off. I'm going to go home and I get 1386 01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,040 in the car and I get about 5 miles away from the house and 1387 01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:11,920 then I'm just like, where am I? I don't even what the fuck, 1388 01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:14,720 what's going on? And I didn't know what was going 1389 01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:19,200 on. And I drove home just freaking 1390 01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:21,240 out the whole time. I get home and I am a good 1391 01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:22,160 actor. My wife goes. 1392 01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:23,800 How's it going? Oh, pretty good. 1393 01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,120 Hold on a second. Go downstairs, call Brandon up. 1394 01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,560 Freaking fuck out. I think I had too much. 1395 01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,560 He's like, go a bunch of CBD, chill out. 1396 01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:32,760 Go back on 1/2 hour. You should be feeling fine. 1397 01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,320 But all right. I tell my wife she was sitting 1398 01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:36,800 with our little ones at the at the time. 1399 01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:38,440 I'm like, hey, I'll come in here and sit with the kids. 1400 01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:39,280 You sure? Yeah. 1401 01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:42,240 Yeah. I just need to stay in one spot. 1402 01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:46,280 Oh, my gosh. And then we had it on the show 1403 01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:51,080 where we had the, what's it called, the little foggy. 1404 01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,720 Oh, the Zenco duo. So you seen those? 1405 01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:58,040 It looks like a little genie lamp and it does concentrates or 1406 01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:00,320 510 threads. So it's you. 1407 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,720 You start it up with a 510 inside of there in your 1408 01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:06,000 cartridge and then when you push the button it'll heat up and it 1409 01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:11,000 starts to slowly fill this wine glass with smoke. 1410 01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:16,240 Now it's taken per hit though the whole thing is equal to like 1411 01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:18,520 about 30 hits. It's a good amount of hits at. 1412 01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:25,120 Once Dang on a concentrate and so I had 1/4 of it and I go and 1413 01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,440 I'm like, it's really cool looking too 'cause it's like 1414 01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:32,160 you're sipping your smoke. And as soon as I hit that, I 1415 01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:33,120 looked over at Brent. It was. 1416 01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,800 Wild. Oh and I didn't even get close 1417 01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:37,840 to that. I was like around 10 and I all 1418 01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,040 the sudden like we start getting into the show and I'm like, Oh 1419 01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:42,440 no. He was freaking out. 1420 01:13:42,440 --> 01:13:44,120 Oh. Shit but my when? 1421 01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,960 You're being recorded and you're way too high. 1422 01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,720 And well, just thought about you on stage, you're like, Nope, 1423 01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,040 this is. Not not gonna do that. 1424 01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:53,640 Undo. Undo. 1425 01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:56,680 Can I leave? It was, but I mean, the whole 1426 01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:00,240 time I'm thinking I'm like, but this is me. 1427 01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:01,920 Yeah, dude, I think I'm freaking out. 1428 01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,040 Like it's totally, it's just not, it's not good. 1429 01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,840 I mean, in my head though, is totally different. 1430 01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,760 And that's something to say too. Like, you know, just because 1431 01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,160 you're not showing it on the outside, like you're not 1432 01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:17,840 convulsing and and freaking out and running around doesn't mean 1433 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,680 you're not having a bad time. It's horrible, just like you 1434 01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,960 talked about spinning, throwing up. 1435 01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:26,560 Yeah, and I love the feeling of being elevated, like I love my 1436 01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:30,120 normal state, but it yeah, the the edible high is 1 1437 01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,080 unpredictable. Like for me, like different 1438 01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,320 formulations, even like same dose, different formulation, 1439 01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:38,160 different company will hit me different. 1440 01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,640 And it's just like sedating to me where I can smoke and like go 1441 01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:45,000 do a bunch of stuff. And I'm very like lively edibles 1442 01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:49,240 just always make me lethargic, like sleepy, tired like every 1443 01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,640 single time. I usually use edibles when I 1444 01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:56,800 travel because when I'm traveling, I know that if I'm 1445 01:14:57,480 --> 01:15:00,520 Rd. trips, if I'm in a car for a long period of time, I hurt. 1446 01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,600 I have a cracked disc and I have a really messed up back. 1447 01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:07,240 And I'm a really small guy, so I need to work out more and build 1448 01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,480 that up. But my back always hurts. 1449 01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,760 So when I go on road trips, I take 200 milligrams every two 1450 01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:19,000 hours. And yeah, but I don't feel high. 1451 01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,120 That's literally just like taking the edge off and I could 1452 01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:25,520 still puff on a pen or a vaporizer and not be high still. 1453 01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,800 So edibles usually for me, I don't ever use them because they 1454 01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,800 don't I'd have to have a loot like a ridiculous amount to 1455 01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:34,880 actually feel high. Insane. 1456 01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:38,360 Yeah, so. Well, that's, we actually have 1457 01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:41,880 really cool data on that too. When we took that survey with 1458 01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:47,120 the like 5000 people that we're going to publish about 16% of 1459 01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:51,320 people can't feel edibles or it takes an extremely high amount 1460 01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:54,560 to feel edibles. So that's like, I mean, we know 1461 01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:56,920 that it has to do with your liver enzymes and how 1462 01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:01,000 efficiently it can essentially process the THC or if at all. 1463 01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:05,200 But you know, there may be a way to also formulate around that, 1464 01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,920 but we haven't really explored it because this data has never 1465 01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:11,840 been published that such a high percentage of the population 1466 01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,280 doesn't metabolize edible. At interesting pace. 1467 01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,640 That most people do. I know I used to feel them a lot 1468 01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:20,760 lower. I used to be able to feel 10 1469 01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:24,200 milligrams, 30 milligrams. I remember my first 100 1470 01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:29,120 milligram edible, that one was like in a wild high at the time. 1471 01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:34,960 But then over the years, 100 milligrams doesn't even touch 1472 01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,520 me. We've had some company brought, 1473 01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,440 they brought them on the show and they're like, oh, here, took 1474 01:16:40,440 --> 01:16:43,040 one right before and then I took another one like an hour in and 1475 01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:45,960 they were sitting there and they're like a corner. 1476 01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:48,840 You feeling it? I'm like, I might, I feel like a 1477 01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,000 little tingling in my back. So I might be feeling it and I'm 1478 01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:56,200 like but I'm honestly not sure because I don't really feel high 1479 01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:57,160 at all. That's insane. 1480 01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:02,480 But that is insane because we had like, out of all the social 1481 01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:05,560 media posts that he put out, one of them, he visited a float tank 1482 01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:09,120 and he's like, yeah, I just had just had a 250 milligram edible 1483 01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:10,400 about to get into the float tank. 1484 01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:14,000 And the comments were hilarious. They were just like freaking out 1485 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,480 or so. They're like, oh, that could. 1486 01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,840 Also have another. Attack in space. 1487 01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,440 Because like, you go float around and you're weightless. 1488 01:17:22,440 --> 01:17:25,320 It's dark. There's no like you can turn off 1489 01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,280 sound. It's amazing. 1490 01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:32,640 You got to do it. You, you, you know, just get one 1491 01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:33,880 of those places around there going. 1492 01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,640 This is for science. And they go, OK, like you'll be 1493 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,240 a part of it. We'll give you, we'll put you in 1494 01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,720 the notes. Yeah, they have true rest float 1495 01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:44,800 spas around the country. That's the franchise that's here 1496 01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,720 that I went to, and they have some really cool ones. 1497 01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,760 Oh yeah, that's been a night. We did it once. 1498 01:17:51,480 --> 01:17:53,000 I've, I've done it several times. 1499 01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,680 It's pretty cool. It it's funny because it even 1500 01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:57,600 has like on the questionnaire, where'd you hear about this? 1501 01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,440 And it goes through all the other ones out at the bottom, 1502 01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:03,640 Joe Rogan. And everybody's like, yeah, it's 1503 01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:06,200 like, you just gotta float. And you know, I didn't even. 1504 01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:10,240 Hear of it from him. It was some other friend of my 1505 01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:14,800 ex-wife and she was, she had gone on a week long silent 1506 01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,960 meditation retreat. And I was like, that sounds 1507 01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:19,600 wild. Like that sounds really cool 1508 01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,880 'cause I was a lot more into my meditative practice then. 1509 01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,600 And she was telling me about this float spa. 1510 01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:28,560 I was like, that sounds really cool. 1511 01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:29,680 And she's like, you're weightless. 1512 01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:32,040 You float around. It's kind of like, you know what 1513 01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:33,680 I imagine floating in space would be like? 1514 01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:37,160 And I was like, in my head I'm just thinking, yeah, I'd totally 1515 01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:40,840 smoke and go do that. And I've done that every single 1516 01:18:40,840 --> 01:18:43,240 time. I end up being friends with the 1517 01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:48,200 like franchise owner there of the location and came back and 1518 01:18:48,200 --> 01:18:52,640 like microdosilocybin and did it end up giving him psilocybin and 1519 01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:57,600 he did it in there like just end up being this cool, really cool 1520 01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,200 relationship that built through there. 1521 01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:03,240 But if you haven't tried it, it's worth checking out SO. 1522 01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:06,280 I'm actually going, I actually know somebody who runs a 1523 01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:10,560 business that has float tanks and I'm going to visit in like a 1524 01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,960 week, so hopefully I can do it then that. 1525 01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:15,200 Sounds. Oh yeah, that sounds way cool. 1526 01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,840 Yeah, it's been probably a year. I need to go back and do it. 1527 01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:22,920 It's a good time. Psilocybin with water is always 1528 01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,160 a amazing experience. Like my one of my best mushroom 1529 01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:30,040 trips ever was at the ocean and just like playing in the waves 1530 01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:34,800 like a dolphin, just like I mean having the time of our lives 1531 01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,960 playing in the water. I just had images of her. 1532 01:19:39,440 --> 01:19:42,160 Oh yeah, everything you're picturing is exactly what 1533 01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:42,760 happened. Like. 1534 01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:45,480 OK. Was this a micro dose or was 1535 01:19:45,480 --> 01:19:49,040 this a full dose? This was somewhere in between 1536 01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:52,480 what like Shulgin would call like a a museum dose. 1537 01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:57,400 So like around like a gram. I'd say under 2G to me is that 1538 01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,840 sort of medium dose. Yeah, OK. 1539 01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:05,040 I went and saw John Mayer on like 1.5 and there was a minute 1540 01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:09,200 that it was a bit intense and so I just went up to the higher 1541 01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:11,280 parts of the stands where there wasn't many people. 1542 01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,680 And just sat up there for about 20-30 minutes and watched it and 1543 01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:17,200 it was amazing up there. And then I went back down and 1544 01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:19,160 hung out with my friends and everyone else after. 1545 01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:22,000 But. What, what I'm like in public 1546 01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:26,600 doing mushrooms in any capacity. I, well, I actually almost do 1547 01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:28,920 this every time anyways, I just stack my dose. 1548 01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:33,680 I take .5 at a time so that the come up is like not as intense. 1549 01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,880 You have a much more gentle come up and you can again, like 1550 01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,920 titrate your dose so much easier because if you're set and 1551 01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:42,640 setting do change or you're like, Oh, I don't love the way 1552 01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:46,680 I'm feeling like you're not too far into it, but you can't undo 1553 01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:50,120 like usually you're still at a relatively comfortable level and 1554 01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:53,280 you can just be like, Oh, I'm just simply not going to take 1555 01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:55,560 more. And then that's the end of the 1556 01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:57,640 of that journey. You know, it's like I usually 1557 01:20:57,640 --> 01:21:00,200 give myself just a lot of time to titrate 'cause that's how 1558 01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,520 personally my brain reacts best to to psilocybin. 1559 01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,800 Yeah, I never did that when I was starting because no one 1560 01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,800 taught me anything. I had a buddy who was like, oh, 1561 01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,400 hey, you came back in, You're trying to process something. 1562 01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:16,120 You definitely need a hero dose. And I was like, yeah, I probably 1563 01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:17,120 do. And he was like, I'm going to 1564 01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:18,960 make you a smoothie, OK. And I'm like, sure. 1565 01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,880 I was like, he'll tell me how much was in it the next day. 1566 01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:25,800 So I drank the smoothie and it ended up being like 6G. 1567 01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:31,840 But that was not a, you know, try and stair step or titrate 1568 01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:34,920 anyway into things. It was just a this is the 1569 01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:38,040 journey you're going to have. And sometimes I feel like that 1570 01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:43,040 is actually needed for. Man, your your entry into any of 1571 01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:46,120 these things is like, you know, like the dad over there going 1572 01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,800 son, you're going to learn how to swim and then you throw them 1573 01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:52,240 off the dock. It's like dad, I'm drowning. 1574 01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:54,640 That's why you got to move your arms and legs. 1575 01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,360 Get on over here. Come to the sound of my voice 1576 01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,280 like that just sounds like crazy, dude. 1577 01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:04,480 That's that's intense like your buddies like for me it. 1578 01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:08,160 Was like that wasn't my first. One Gram was my first experience 1579 01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:11,240 on on psilocybin and it was fantastic. 1580 01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:14,240 I was playing my Switch. My wife came over there. 1581 01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:15,760 We had the most open conversation. 1582 01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:18,480 She goes, what are you on? I'm like, oh, I hate these. 1583 01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:22,560 She's like, awesome. I was introduced to LSD before 1584 01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:28,040 psilocybin same and so like the LSD kind of like yours but a 1585 01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,360 little different. My buddy was like hey, April 1586 01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:33,320 Fools is coming up and I'm going to sneak you guys LSD. 1587 01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:35,680 You won't know because it's pays list. 1588 01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:38,840 I can put it on whatever food or in your drink or anything, and 1589 01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:42,360 then you'll just be tripping. And I knew absolutely nothing 1590 01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:44,360 about LSD. Oh yeah. 1591 01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:47,320 So I started researching it and I was like, I found even like 1592 01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:50,960 the government classification of how dangerous drugs are and 1593 01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,800 stuff, and LSD was way below cannabis. 1594 01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,360 And I was like, that's interesting because they hold a 1595 01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:58,960 patent for cannabis. No one's ever died from cannabis 1596 01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:03,840 and I use cannabis every day. So then after that I started 1597 01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:06,400 researching more of the effects and like what happens with it. 1598 01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,520 So then April Fools came around and me and my buddy willingly 1599 01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,720 took it instead. So we actually all just took LSD 1600 01:23:12,720 --> 01:23:15,320 together and had our first experience. 1601 01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:19,640 And then after that I found out, oh wait, psilocybin's like 1602 01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:23,680 supposedly less dangerous than LSD and it's like down here and 1603 01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:26,440 it's got all these other benefits and stuff supposedly. 1604 01:23:26,440 --> 01:23:30,960 So then when I tried that, it was, you know, even less scary 1605 01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,680 because LSD was like a holy cow, I have no idea. 1606 01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:38,960 And then we had someone show up and the set and setting shifted. 1607 01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:44,280 And it turned from a great experience into instantly a not 1608 01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:45,880 great experience for the three of us. 1609 01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,400 And we end up sending this other person home. 1610 01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,680 The three of us needed to separate to our own areas. 1611 01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,800 And about 20 minutes later, we all came back together and we're 1612 01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,600 just fine. But it was like this thing of 1613 01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:02,440 that set and setting, someone came in, the energy changed, 1614 01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:05,560 everything changed. And it instantly became a, oh, 1615 01:24:05,560 --> 01:24:07,400 crap. We didn't trust the person who 1616 01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,680 showed up. And it instantly put in this 1617 01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:12,040 fear of trust of like, wait, do we trust this person? 1618 01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:14,840 Do we trust this other person? It was like, I've known this kid 1619 01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,440 since kindergarten. Like I've known him for 30 1620 01:24:17,440 --> 01:24:20,360 years. We've been friends for a long, 1621 01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:23,120 long time. Like, I know who this person is. 1622 01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:27,320 And as we, you know, came out of that, it became a, like, we were 1623 01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:29,920 just fine. And we had some really profound, 1624 01:24:29,960 --> 01:24:33,520 incredible discussions. And it was just like a what the 1625 01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:36,240 hell? But you think about those things 1626 01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:40,840 and there are these drugs or scary terrible things that were 1627 01:24:40,840 --> 01:24:44,360 taught never to try growing up or to stay away from 'cause it, 1628 01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:48,320 you know, fries your brain or makes you stupid or, you know, 1629 01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:50,480 ruins your life. Yes. 1630 01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:52,440 So all of that, all of the above. 1631 01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,920 All of it. That's none of us are productive 1632 01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:57,840 in this call. Righty what's been one of the 1633 01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:02,280 most rewarding things for you? Being in the cannabis industry. 1634 01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,600 I think just being able to represent stoners in such a 1635 01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:11,160 positive light and start to bring that word back to us. 1636 01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:14,800 I think for a long time the word Stoner was thought of as, you 1637 01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,080 know, this really negative connotation type thing to 1638 01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:21,880 represent a daily cannabis user. And I think our data, you know, 1639 01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:25,280 we can, as I mentioned before, like use it as advocacy to kind 1640 01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:29,240 of represent that stoners aren't what our society wants us to 1641 01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:31,800 think Stoners are. Stoners are productive, stoners 1642 01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,440 are CEOs, stoners are doctors, stoners are, you know, all of 1643 01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,440 these people in our society. And just normalizing cannabis as 1644 01:25:38,440 --> 01:25:40,800 a medicine. Because I've gotten a lot of 1645 01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:44,520 hate for just being as loud as I am about being a daily consumer 1646 01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:46,720 and using cannabis as much as I do. 1647 01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:50,320 But at the end of the day, I have a successful career. 1648 01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:54,440 I have a happy life. I'm doing OK by my standards and 1649 01:25:54,440 --> 01:25:57,080 it's mainly, I shouldn't say mainly due to cannabis, but 1650 01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:01,320 cannabis has been alongside for the entire journey and I owe a 1651 01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:04,320 lot to this medicinal plant. So just being able to represent 1652 01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:08,520 her in a positive light it, you know, it's feels really good for 1653 01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,440 me. That's cool to see though, 1654 01:26:10,440 --> 01:26:13,400 because like you said, the word Stoner, we've tried to stay away 1655 01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:17,200 from it because the Stoner stigma has been so negative. 1656 01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:21,280 Yeah, I call myself a functional Stoner and they go, is that 1657 01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:22,720 true? Like, yeah, totally. 1658 01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,800 I mean, it's it's not a it's not a bad thing. 1659 01:26:25,800 --> 01:26:27,480 And exactly. I think we just need to be more 1660 01:26:27,480 --> 01:26:29,680 open about it. And that's that's what we do. 1661 01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,200 That's what you do. And I think that's hilarious. 1662 01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:36,560 You're getting smoke for that just like, because like, oh, you 1663 01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,600 really should keep that down. Well, you really should use it, 1664 01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,520 friend, because you're being a Dick. 1665 01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:46,440 OK, now I'm going to go on stage and educate people while you sit 1666 01:26:46,440 --> 01:26:48,240 back here and be a sour ass. All right. 1667 01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:52,520 For like why? It's just cool, like our whole, 1668 01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,560 our whole industry, everyone's loud and proud, or at least most 1669 01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:57,840 people are. And just seeing the industry 1670 01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,920 grow and more people feel comfortable with it. 1671 01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:02,280 And even outside of the industry, people feeling more 1672 01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:06,080 comfortable being open about it because we are starting to get 1673 01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:09,200 rid of that negative connotation with just using cannabis. 1674 01:27:09,200 --> 01:27:13,400 But it's still here for sure. You'll know that if anybody 1675 01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:15,720 around you, if you're smoking in the city or something and 1676 01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:18,880 someone takes a whiff, you know, there's always some faces. 1677 01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:22,360 It's about like, oh, not here, not not in front of other 1678 01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:23,760 people. And it's like we. 1679 01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,880 Don't think about the children, think about the children. 1680 01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:30,240 They're puffing on a a cigarette where like we know second hand 1681 01:27:30,240 --> 01:27:33,600 smoke is so dangerous. That's terrible. 1682 01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:37,160 That's funny. So Riley, where can our audience 1683 01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:39,680 find you or get in touch with you if they want to check out 1684 01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:43,080 your show, if they want to follow your social? 1685 01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:48,360 Yeah, all of my links are on my social pages, which are Hannah 1686 01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:54,920 became so Cann A/B ICHEM. I'm on Tiktok, Instagram, 1687 01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:59,520 YouTube, and my podcast is on all mainstreaming platforms and 1688 01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:02,560 that's called bio active, but it's also LinkedIn, my 1689 01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:05,200 Instagram, and it has an Instagram of its own if you want 1690 01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:07,280 to follow along. We'll actually have all those 1691 01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:11,000 links down below so you guys can start going towards those guys. 1692 01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,320 Go over there, sign up for the study. 1693 01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:15,800 Absolutely. I mean, come on, you're helping 1694 01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:17,840 science. Science. 1695 01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:19,920 But not like governmental science, but like. 1696 01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:23,600 No, but trust science. Supported by cannabis consumers 1697 01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:25,760 to help cannabis consumers. Yeah. 1698 01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:28,280 The more information we have, the more we're going to be able 1699 01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:34,040 to start getting more openness about this and then we can start 1700 01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:37,120 being able to change the products that we have to be more 1701 01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:40,200 tailored towards what kind of experience we're seeking. 1702 01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:45,000 So everybody, thank you so much for being here today. 1703 01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:49,040 Riley, this is awesome. I see a long term friendship 1704 01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,520 between US. And for everyone at home, we 1705 01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:53,640 love you guys. Hey, thanks so much guys. 1706 01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:54,200 Take care.