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I'm Brandon. 
And I'm Jesse we're. 

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Cannabis school having cannabis 
infused conversations. 

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With everyday. 
People. 

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Cannabis companies. 
Celebrities. 

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And your mom? 
Welcome to the Sash. 

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Hey everybody, we are so excited
to have you here again on The 

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Sash. 
Welcome back. 

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We have got some amazing guests 
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So we've got Troy and Aviva from
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We are going to get psychedelic 
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Now you're noticing a theme 
every Thursday. 

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It almost seems like we keep 
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psychedelics. 
It has been a common theme, 

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hasn't? 
It recently, yeah, absolutely. 

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But you got to remember too, 
cannabis is a mild 

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hallucinogenic. 
It helps out with that one. 

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This is usually kind of stepping
stones towards what we're going 

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to be talking about a lot today,
but by far some of the most 

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experts in this field, at least 
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We're super excited to be able 
to meet you, Aviva Troy, thank 

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you guys so much for being here 
today. 

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Thanks for having us. 
Yeah, absolute honor, guys, This

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is this is a thrill. 
I've I've been listening to your

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podcast for the past week and 
now I'm just, I feel like I'm a 

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fanboy. 
I'm going to get autographs 

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after. 
This whatever, you know, it was 

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funny. 
I was at, I was at a dispensary 

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at Salt Lake and I was getting 
it's with Dragonfly. 

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And when I was getting it, the 
guy's like, hey man, can one of 

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the guys in the back come out 
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He's a big fan. 
I'm like, that's sure. 

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And the guy's like, well, I'm 
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I'm like, what the hell? 
That's weird. 

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That's so weird. 
I'm like, no, dude, we're cool. 

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Shook his hand, gave him a 
little bro hug and he was just 

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like, oh man, thank you so much.
I'm like, that's weird, but OK, 

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cool. 
Because I mean, it's just like 

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what we were talking about 
before with psychedelics, you 

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know, you get to this certain 
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and we are as one. 
That's why I feel around with a 

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lot of people. 
I think that has a lot to do 

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with the psychedelics. 
What do you guys think? 

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Absolutely, yeah, Yeah. 
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with psychedelics is like, it 
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And when you get super 
empathetic, you do feel like one

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because it's no longer like 
you're doing this and I'm doing 

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this. 
It's more like what's going on 

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with you. 
Like even bad things like I got 

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cut off today and right like 
oldby would have been like what 

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the fuck? 
What are you doing? 

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Driving like an idiot. 
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oh man, he seems like he's in a 
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Like I, I, I hope he gets to 
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get fired from his job or 
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And like that, that empathetic 
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inherently from psychedelics, 
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it's like, oh, it's way 
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We're all connected. 
Jesse knows me behind the wheel.

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That is my I'm usually like a 
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then you put me behind the wheel
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everyone. 
Yeah, his his demon comes. 

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In and it's like so when there's
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actually with me and I'm like, 
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Like I'm no longer in a like I 
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I need to go do this. 
It's like no, this is just where

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I'm at. 
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at this is where I need to be. 
I don't need to be racing 

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somewhere else, like, and just 
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And it's like, oh, it's such a 
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But to go from, like you said, 
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that to like, man, hope he gets 
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You know, he seems like he's in 
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Yeah, what a what a mind switch,
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And yeah, man, once that 
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world just gets a lot. 
Do you think psychedelics has 

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been that biggest like the 
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I would say so, yeah. 
I think psychedelics really was 

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that trigger for me that just, I
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describe it is, you know, you go
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things and you, you know what 
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what you should be doing better.
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gives you more of like an 
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me is like, often times I was 
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Like it wasn't a problem. 
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going to jail and beat my kids 
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It's just not the healthiest 
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And I was like, I think I'm 
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And then during like a mushroom 
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my deathbed from just like not 
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family looking at me. 
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take care of yourself? 
That's you died early. 

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me going and be like, I have to 
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because it was it was more than 
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of your head. 
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It was in you. 
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that's kind of how I look at it 
is just like, you know, you live

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this pretty normal, mundane 
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And you don't have these like 
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But on psychedelics, everything 
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Everything is bigger, right? 
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you can be hiking and jump over 
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like. 
Massive accomplishment here. 

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And so like you have these like 

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almost dare to be great 
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you are fighting demons and 
fighting Dragons and it feels so

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much more intense that like it 
sticks with you, right. 

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Like it, it lasts longer if you 
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That's interesting. 
Aviva, you you you've been using

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psychedelics for, I mean 
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while. 
Would that be a fair assumption?

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A few. 
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A few. 
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You have such an interesting 
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I'm I'm interested. 
I I mean, Troy's going through 

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this transformation that he saw 
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mind into the future. 
Did you have a similar 

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experience? 
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So like I, I, I absolutely am 
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the power of psychedelics, but I
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solution for everybody all the 
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So, but there's a lot of media 
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you're going to take mushrooms 
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going to transform or you're 
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experience and go like go deep 
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about, right? 
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opening experience where you 
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humanity and you're all one and 
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means a guarantee or like 
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The The thing is like we talk 
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specific amplifiers, which 
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we already are, it makes us more
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like involved with psychedelics,
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egotistical asshole. 
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leverages like it, it, it, it, 
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and amplifies that. 
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stand alone experience. 
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it's necessary to have with 
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potentially mindfulness or yoga 
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guidance or whatever it looks 
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making the effective changes you
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The thing about psychedelics is 
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neuronal pathways. 
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to change. 
It makes you more capable of 

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sort of suspending your own 
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about, you know, your, your 
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And it opens up a space between 
right, how I feel and how I act.

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And in that space, we can change
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change how we feel. 
But like, where do we want to go

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with that? 
If there's nobody really guiding

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us towards or even ourselves, 
but we don't have a clear sense 

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of what we want to accomplish 
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great cool experience, but you 
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transformative experience. 
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said that. 
Like if you're if you're an 

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asshole and you use it, you're 
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And you know, we kind of 
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historically when the Vikings 
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use psychedelics. 
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I mean, you're not going to be 
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These guys are going around 
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they're on mushrooms. 
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Can you? 
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can't even. 
Imagine. 

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They they would be like, I mean,
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Dude I watched EU. 
PTSD you would have after that. 

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Once like walked into the bar 
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microdose, but like a gram and a
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And I started watching the fight
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It was the worst experience. 
And I actually blacked out as I 

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was trying to walk out of the 
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so much so horrible. 
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people rooting and cheering for 
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out of each other and watching 
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their faces. 
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humans, it was animals. 
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It was hard. 
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need to get outside. 
And I started walking and I just

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like blacked out, fell on the 
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And my buddy, I wake up with 
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look over and then my friends 
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like, OK, let's go outside. 
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then I came to and I was like, 
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not be here. 
We should probably go. 

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And he was like, yeah, cool, All
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So we hopped in the car. 
He drove because he was sober, 

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and we went home. 
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like, so Vikings and other 
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can't even imagine. 
Well, but that, that it goes to 

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say, I mean, it's an extension 
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So it's you're, you're being 
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further. 
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light, you know, you get that 
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introduce darkness to darkness, 
that's where you get like that. 

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That makes sense too, because 
of, yeah, you may have this 

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great experience. 
I remember like friends in high 

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school would eat mushrooms and 
they would just giggle and 

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laugh. 
And every experience I've had on

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on psilocybin has always been 
like this super positive, very 

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open. 
But because I had the intent. 

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And so again, it goes back to 
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By being guided. 
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this huge thing of what when we 
met you guys, this was on on 

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just a fluke. 
I was at a dinner party and met 

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this guy just joking around with
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He's like, you got to meet Troy.
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meet a Viva and I'm just like, 
this is kick ass. 

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This is so perfect. 
It's like it's just on this 

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journey where I've been. 
I mean, a lot of it is, you 

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know, I, I'm, I'm keeping this 
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and to the growth of my soul. 
I believe that this is helping 

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so much. 
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especially what you had brought 
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this, I mean, there are mushroom
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there. 
And it's like, yeah, OK. 

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But I saw some at the They sell 
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down the street. 
Yeah, they sell mushroom gummies

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all the time. 
I'm like, what in the world? 

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Yeah, yeah, it's I think that's 
that's the challenge that this 

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next generation is going to 
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psychedelic education company, 
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had the 1st wave, which was 
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for, you know, cultural reasons 
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What's going to happen? 
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take? 
I don't know, let's, let's go to

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a concert, right? 
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powerful medicine, But the more 
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better chance we have of fucking
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psychedelics. 
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where you were talking about 
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like, hey, let's take mushrooms.
It'll change your life, right? 

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But how much are you supposed to
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Is mushrooms right for you? 
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there's five MEODMT, there's all
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work different. 
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heard psychedelics are good. 
I'm going to pop these mushrooms

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and see if I'm all of a sudden a
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can be very dangerous and two 
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right like. 
And you're not talking about the

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setting and the preparations. 
That's huge. 

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Like set and setting is massive 
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it can like change your entire 
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setting to going to a dark, not 
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like we had a nice safe setting 
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We can't have you here. 
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so much unknown for someone to 
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massively. 
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therapeutic things that you 
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Yeah. 
You know, it's, it's like 

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playing the lottery, right? 
Like it's funny. 

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The first time I did conscious 
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know, you have your eye mask on,
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And the first thing I said is, 
holy shit, I've been doing drugs

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wrong this entire time. 
Because before it was like, hey,

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let's take some mushrooms and go
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a concert's already great. 
Like it's a good time already. 

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So you're not really 
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It makes the concert better, 
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thinking about your own. 
No inner child, you know nothing

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like that. 
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there's a fistfight right next 
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So now it's very much like I I 
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just by myself now. 
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I think by myself has been some 
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the most beneficial. 
Like I've worked through a lot 

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of my demons, a lot of my 
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shit my me being an asshole like
all of this stuff. 

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It's me looking at it and going 
like realizing so much. 

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But it doesn't come like you 
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out at a party out at A at a 
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It's from those moments like the
perfect set and setting where 

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you're, you're meditating, 
you're doing these things and 

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you're looking at this like 
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hey, you're, you're OK. 
Like let me hug you. 

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You're OK. 
And then you break down and you 

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start bawling and that and 
you're like, but those are like 

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some of the most profound 
experiences that we have when we

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allow that to happen. 
Yeah, I actually sorry. 

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Go ahead. 
No, no, I was going to ask a 

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question. 
Please go. 

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I so, so I actually have like a 
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comment on like this whole 
conversation you had like 

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starting off with let's talk 
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So for anyone who doesn't know, 
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right? 
How you're coming into the 

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experience, what your belief 
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you're feeling and setting 
refers to what's going on around

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like, you know, is somebody 
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totally upset the energetic 
balance or are you in a place 

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that you feel safer? 
Are you at a concert or are you 

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alone? 
So that's what we're talking 

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talking about. 
And yeah, it's obviously hugely 

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critical, but right, like one of
the things you said around it's 

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the difference between having 
like a really positive 

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experience and going into a 
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There's like, yes, obviously you
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psychedelics that feels 
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And I actually have a friend who
when she was much younger took 

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too much LSD and it end up it it
it like probably caused some 

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form of psychotic break. 
She was not good for a long 

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time. 
So these are serious molecules 

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that you have to be really 
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you aren't having that kind of 
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always a bad trip. 
It goes back to right. 

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Like, are we in a place where we
like, we are just looking at our

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own demons, where we are in a 
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the parts of ourselves, our 
shadow that we haven't looked at

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and that we're allowing it to 
arise and then we're allowing it

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to release. 
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these molecules become like a 
incredibly powerful force for 

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fueling our own change and our 
own growth and our own maturity 

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really. 
And, and for mindfulness, for 

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being able to really see 
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who we are in a moment by moment
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to do what Troy was talking 
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Be in traffic and be able to 
have like compassion for 

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somebody. 
Because because we're not all 

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about ourselves, we can be all 
about other people too. 

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Yeah, I like how you say that. 
It's it's almost like a it's a 

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cleansing over there, kind of 
like where, I don't know, it's 

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like the, the, the film that's 
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You're able to kind of scrape 
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like the, the concept of oil 

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pulling is, is where I'm I'm 
pulled to with psychedelics 

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where you're able to extract 
this toxic it, it pulls it up. 

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That's why I feel the same way. 
If someone's having a bad 

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experience on a trip where it's 
terrifying, It's something that 

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the mind is trying to bring back
up going, no, we, we need to get

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this out. 
We need to get this out. 

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And that's that cleansing 
feeling. 

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You know, like I failed on, on, 
on psilocybin on ketamine, like 

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something is gone. 
I'm glad it's gone. 

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I don't know what it is, but I 
don't want it back. 

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And it, it definitely starts to 
pull it out. 

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And it sounds like from your 
experience with so many 

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different people, that's the 
case, but also the cautionary, 

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right? 
This, this isn't to be played 

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with because I was talking to a 
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was like, well, how much do you 
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I mean, do you weigh it out? 
Do you know what kind of grams 

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you're taking? 
He goes, no, my friends and I in

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college would get like a bag of 
it. 

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And then we go, here's an even 
amount for you. 

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Here's an even out for me. 
And nobody knows that the weight

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could have been totally 
different. 

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And here's like, oh, exactly 
what you said. 

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I take this but. 
It goes, but it goes back to 

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like if, if you're, if we're 
emotionally capacitated and 

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we've grown up relatively safe 
and we've got an ability to self

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process and we're self 
reflective and mature, then if 

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we're having a difficult 
experience, we may be able to 

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negotiate it and navigate it on 
our own. 

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But not everybody has that 
grounding, as we all know. 

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And people, people come from a 
lot of trauma. 

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And even if it's what we call 
small T trauma instead of big T 

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trauma, that's not that's not. 
That doesn't make it easier, 

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which is why like not 
everybody's capable of doing 

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this on their own. 
People do sometimes need a 

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sitter or a guide or somebody 
who's going to or a therapist, 

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somebody who like post 
experience can work with them 

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and help them tease out what 
happened and figure out what it 

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means, which is what we call 
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Which means like you've had this
experience, now where are we 

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going to put it inside our body 
to make to make sure we're 

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walking away with an 
understanding of what happened? 

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Integration, to me is like, 
there's pieces of us that are 

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missing, and I think of it sort 
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And as we integrate, like we're 
putting those pieces back into 

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And that's what ultimately 
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It allows us to take those 
isolated experiences and plug up

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the places in us that we believe
have gaps, even though we don't 

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have gaps, but we believe they 
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Integration makes us whole. 
That's trippy. 

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Yeah. 
So Aviva, in your like decades 

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of experience through here, I'm 
guessing you didn't start as a 

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guide. 
No, I am. 

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I don't even formally act as a 
guide, although I do so 

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informally. 
But no, I, I landed in here 

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inside of conscious community 
accidentally. 

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I have, I have a friend who was,
was a rock star actually back in

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the 80s and was during the time 
exposed to all kinds of 

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different drugs, including MDMA.
And she had an experience and 

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thought it was so fantastic that
she wanted to bring it to her 

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mother. 
So she ended up organizing a 

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family, what she called a camp, 
a family experience where she 

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and her mom just sat together 
with MDMA and allowed the heart 

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opening properties of it to to, 
you know, integrate and heal 

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their own relationship. 
And that was so awesome that 

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they ended up bringing in her 
siblings. 

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And then the mother was so 
impressed by the outcomes that 

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she constituted her own group of
women and started quarterly 

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getting together with these 
women to have MDMA experiences 

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where they would spend a whole 
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It it, it was like a whole 
Saturday kind of thing. 

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And then Sunday would be 
integration where they would 

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just have themed experiences. 
They would dance, they would 

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dress up pretty. 
They would talk, they would talk

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about really difficult stuff. 
They would talk about child 

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raising. 
They would whatever it was. 

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And those happened quarterly for
years, like probably 15 years 

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until some of these women's 
children were old enough to be 

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brought into the group. 
And it became like a, a sort of 

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shift of like, how do we bring, 
how do we make this a next 

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generation experience? 
They started bringing in their 

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daughters and their daughters 
are like, I want to invite my 

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friends. 
So it, it just kept growing 

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organically. 
Today it's a group of probably 

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about 120 women and men in a 
bunch of different locations 

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around the world, obviously who 
don't get together 

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simultaneously, but who are 
considered part of this kind of 

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group of getting together and 
having these experiences. 

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So that's the context in which 
I've learned to guide and 

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facilitate. 
Side note, that's fucking weird.

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I don't know what that thumb. 
Is I don't know how that I know 

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it's trying. 
To. 

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Trying to give a. 
Thumbs up. 

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It's like. 
Remember, this is the part of 

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the story where you give a 
thumbs up. 

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This is This is what you need to
do every. 

449
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,880
Time you say something smart of 
Eva we're getting. 

450
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,280
Yeah. 
She's. 

451
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,760
On it she knows. 
No, that is so. 

452
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,640
Oh, I'm still like, I've never 
had that explained to me, but 

453
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,120
I'm I'm seeing those gaps like 
puzzle pieces right now. 

454
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,000
Maybe it's maybe it's the 
cannabis. 

455
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,200
What are we smoking? 
Super Lemon. 

456
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,840
Super Lemon G. 
Super lemon G So that's very 

457
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,040
nice, but it's like when you 
were doing that, I felt that 

458
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,240
going in and they just I'm 
thinking about that during those

459
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,200
psychedelic experiences because 
there's this there's this bit of

460
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,800
apprehension that I feel still 
even when I take a micro dose 

461
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,200
because I'm I I think it's 
because I've developed so much 

462
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:43,240
respect for the plant that I'm 
just like, don't don't abuse 

463
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,160
this. 
Use this for when you need this,

464
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,920
but you know, don't don't use 
this like feel like feel like 

465
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,200
getting something to eat. 
Let's go to Wendy's, right? 

466
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,480
That's a bad choice. 
That's a bad choice, right? 

467
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,280
We still make it, but it's still
a bad choice. 

468
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:04,720
And when you think holistically,
like creating this homeostasis 

469
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,160
within your life, like you just 
don't want to just be like, oh, 

470
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,440
it's Tuesday. 
Wow. 

471
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,480
Yep. 
You really want to be 

472
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,680
intentional on that one. 
And I think that's part of that 

473
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,240
intention is once you become 
more acclimated to it and having

474
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:23,480
a guide is so important now 
'cause you brought it up, I 

475
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,240
mean, we've got women's 
publications talking about 

476
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,640
microdose for 30 days and change
your life. 

477
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,280
Like, OK, but we don't know what
their body, it's like 

478
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,080
everybody's endocannabinoid 
system is completely different 

479
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,200
from the next. 
We don't know how it's going to 

480
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,760
be from A to B to C. 
Or their mental state or whether

481
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,800
medications they're on or 
anything else you know, and, and

482
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,360
to say, hey, just take it and go
off and do your own thing. 

483
00:25:46,360 --> 00:25:47,680
It's it's really. 
Tough. 

484
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,680
Best of luck, Yeah. 
Like it's the same with 

485
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,080
cannabis. 
I feel like the experience 

486
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,200
should always be guided. 
Your first experience should be 

487
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,840
with someone who, whether it's a
therapist, a guide, someone who 

488
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,240
understands and knows and can 
like help walk you through that 

489
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,840
to make you feel safe. 
Where did, where did guides 

490
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,320
collective like what did that? 
What was that starting point 

491
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,640
like? 
What made you guys think, hey, 

492
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,160
we need to help these guides, 
these people who are trying to 

493
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,160
guide others through this? 
Yeah, so I, I can go first. 

494
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,360
We kind of, it's, it's funny, 
'cause we hit it from two 

495
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:22,520
different angles and then we 
came together and I was like, 

496
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,720
Aviva, here's what I'm thinking 
and she's like, this is what I'm

497
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,280
thinking too. 
But we got there in two 

498
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,080
different ways, right? 
So for me, I very much have my 

499
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,720
own personal relationships with 
psychedelics and I have been 

500
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,160
guided, but I have very much 
like an imposter syndrome where 

501
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,800
like who am I to be a guide, 
right? 

502
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,600
Like I, I didn't go through 
training. 

503
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,160
I, I'm not a guide. 
So as I was going through life 

504
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,920
and you know, my journey is 
relatively new in terms of 

505
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,760
conscious psychedelics. 
So I'm probably about five years

506
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,720
in, but I would go to people and
be like, Oh my God, psychedelics

507
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,680
have changed my life. 
They're absolutely incredible. 

508
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,360
Everyone should go do them and 
they would be like, OK, well, 

509
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,680
can you help me? 
And I'd be like, no, who can I 

510
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,840
was like I, I, I don't know, 
Like I, I generally don't know, 

511
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,960
but you should really go find 
that person and and there's. 

512
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,800
Gotta be. 
Someone, somewhere, yeah. 

513
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,560
So, so for me, guides 
collective, you know, we have 

514
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,760
this new thing to help people 
find A guide is really that 

515
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,720
starting point for people, 
'cause everyone's listening to 

516
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,600
these conversations of 
psychedelics is good, 

517
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,160
psychedelics is good, 
psychedelics is good, but where 

518
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,520
do you go and what you. 
Do it And how do you do it 

519
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,400
safely? 
And what should you be doing 

520
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,040
right? 
Like even right now, the best 

521
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,680
answer would be like go to a 
place like retreat guru and it 

522
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,440
has all of these, you know, 
they're verified and they have 

523
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,280
all these different retreats, 
but it's like a three day 

524
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,400
ayahuasca ceremony, a six day 
psilocybin ceremony, a micro 

525
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,560
dosing course. 
And and you don't even have 

526
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,280
enough information to really 
know. 

527
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,400
What? 
To do there know know where to 

528
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,280
start, right? 
So there's no starting point 

529
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,120
like when you go to a doctor. 
I got a thyroid issue, right? 

530
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,760
And like I went to a doctor and 
I was like, this is kind of 

531
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:58,680
weird. 
There's a bump here. 

532
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,720
And that guy was like, oh, you 
have a bump here. 

533
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,120
This could be a couple things. 
I'm going to send you to an 

534
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:06,680
expert and that expert will 
figure it out for you, right? 

535
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,120
And so like you had a starting 
point. 

536
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:12,040
They sent me somewhere who was 
the expert based on what I 

537
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,480
actually needed. 
And then that expert got me to 

538
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,280
where I needed to go. 
That doesn't exist in 

539
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,680
psychedelics. 
So what we built was this place 

540
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,680
where we found the best guides 
in the world, right? 

541
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,400
Like we have a network of 500 
guides, but it's a starting 

542
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,760
point where you speak with us 
specifically for 30 minutes. 

543
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,400
You tell us what you're going 
through, what you're feeling, 

544
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,760
what medications you're on, all 
of those things. 

545
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,360
And then we link you up with the
person that we think is right 

546
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,680
for you specifically. 
Like, for example, if you have a

547
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,680
traumatic, like a really 
traumatic experience in your 

548
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,400
childhood, a lot of times MDMA 
is a good starting point over 

549
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,560
mushrooms because MDMA is a 
little bit more empathetic, 

550
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,880
right? 
Like where you can start having 

551
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,360
those feelings and start having 
those cries before you're having

552
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,360
visuals and too much is going on
and you're not really 

553
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,360
processing. 
But a lot of people, you know, 

554
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,520
they could have severe sexual 
trauma and take a hero dose of 

555
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,600
mushrooms. 
And again, if if there there is 

556
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:13,320
no such thing as a bad trip and 
you might freak out and it might

557
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,440
be good for you. 
However, that probably wasn't 

558
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,520
the best starting point for you.
It could have been better, it 

559
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,560
could have been easier. 
You could have, could still. 

560
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,440
Gain immense value from that if 
you can find a way to integrate 

561
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,560
what you've learned or you know 
the experience through that. 

562
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,640
Even though you know, like you 
said, there's not really a bad 

563
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,920
trip. 
I've had horrible moments within

564
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,200
a trip or really hard moments 
that have really like kind of 

565
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,680
torn me to pieces. 
But then I've seen, hey, I'm 

566
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,520
going to be OK. 
Like it's, it's kind of a 

567
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,320
teaching moment in that moment 
to show me an experience that's 

568
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,480
going to happen, a moment it's 
going to happen. 

569
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,920
And then it's like you're still 
OK. 

570
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,600
And through those like, I found 
these things and it's like 

571
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,280
cathartic in those moments. 
But that moment when I'm sitting

572
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,720
there in it and I'm like, 
feeling like I'm falling apart 

573
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,400
and I'm bawling. 
And, you know, like, in that 

574
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,800
moment, I experienced my kids 
moving across the country. 

575
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,560
I watched in that moment my kids
leave. 

576
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,840
And me feeling the pain of my 
kids leaving and me not seeing 

577
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,280
them for who knows how long. 
Yeah. 

578
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,800
And that was a reality that was 
happening. 

579
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,360
It just hadn't happened yet. 
And I was beyond terrified of it

580
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,280
happening. 
And when it happened, like, that

581
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,160
mushroom trip was hard. 
It was hard. 

582
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,560
But that's because the real life
experience was hard. 

583
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,960
Yeah, but I knew in that moment 
I was like, no, I'll be OK. 

584
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,800
And in that, that was still to 
this day is one of the most 

585
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,480
beautiful experiences that I've 
gone through hard. 

586
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,720
But like that trip was eye 
opening and mind opening going 

587
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,680
like I never would have gone 
through that. 

588
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,000
Like I never would could have 
experienced that in my own 

589
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,200
reality without that psychedelic
like hand. 

590
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,520
Yeah. 
And ideally, what do you do 

591
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,360
after that? 
You appreciate your time with 

592
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,800
your kids 10 times more because 
you felt, you know, the feeling 

593
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,640
of when they're going to leave. 
And so ideally you come back and

594
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,720
be a better, the best dad you 
can be in those moments, right? 

595
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,640
Yeah, be present in those 
moments. 

596
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,480
When it brings such an emphasis 
on why there should be more 

597
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,920
guided experiences as we're 
seeing this culture shift where 

598
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,920
psychedelics becomes the end all
be all cure and cannabis has 

599
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,280
gone through that multiple 
times. 

600
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,440
People are like, oh, it's great 
for everything. 

601
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,240
Like I got eczema. 
You just smoke this and the 

602
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,280
eczema goes away. 
Just. 

603
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,480
Spray some Windex on it. 
Yeah, yeah, You know it. 

604
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,120
It's like everybody's like, oh, 
yeah. 

605
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,120
Like when I first got into 
campus, like, oh, you know, 

606
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,360
it'll help with diabetes because
I have type 2 diabetes. 

607
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,120
And I go, yeah, OK, you show me 
something that goes behind it. 

608
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,600
Like I'm just going to trust it 
going. 

609
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,320
No, honey, I'm keeping the 
diabetes away, smoking all day 

610
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,960
long. 
I just keep my bong attached to 

611
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,320
me with like a utility belt, 
right. 

612
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,360
I pull it out for the diabetes. 
Yeah, it's for the Venice. 

613
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,520
I'm in line over there for the 
Walmart somebody like hey, hey. 

614
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,080
And I'm like it's. 
Medical. 

615
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:12,320
They're like, OK, OK. 
But fetus is acting up. 

616
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,440
I got to start smoking again. 
You just smoked 10 feet before. 

617
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,880
I got to do it again. 
You're so high you're eating 10 

618
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,560
cookies. 
I. 

619
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,120
Got a flare up? 
Walmart Walmart should start 

620
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,360
having high guides. 
They just pick out the guys with

621
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,320
really red eyes and kind of slow
gate and they go come with me, 

622
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,400
Sir, and they just have a 
they're perfect snack aisle. 

623
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,160
They need a high aisle that's. 
What they need? 

624
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,320
Is going there we. 
We know everything you want. 

625
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,520
As soon as you come in a a voice
goes over there going aisle 4. 

626
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,240
Sleekies and Doritos in the same
place. 

627
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,160
That was the thing I was 
thinking about when you were 

628
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,040
talking about these, these 
places that do these psychedelic

629
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,320
retreats and they're like 
ayahuasca Monday, Psilocybin 

630
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,560
Tuesday is just like, why don't 
they just have like an 

631
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,760
announcement? 
If you were at like a restaurant

632
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,960
and the restaurant goes, OK, you
eat something all at the same 

633
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,120
time and they go, by the way, 
that food can cause severe 

634
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,040
cramping, diarrhea and vomiting.
Best of luck. 

635
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,520
And you're just like, OK, what 
did I just get into 'cause 

636
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,720
that's the feeling that you have
when you you take it going, 

637
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,680
there's no going back. 
There's no going back. 

638
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,280
But it, it can't, it shouldn't 
feel that way. 

639
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,400
You should be prepped. 
Although, you know, that's so 

640
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,120
interesting, it shouldn't. 
I'm not. 

641
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:37,040
I wanna think about that comment
because I think that we probably

642
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:41,400
should have a bit of trepidation
before approaching psychedelics,

643
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,040
no matter how experienced we 
might be. 

644
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,960
The this, this every single trip
has the potential to quite 

645
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,640
literally change the way you 
think and feel. 

646
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,720
I mean, we, we all know the 
whole Burning Man storyline of 

647
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,040
like, you know, the, the 
prohibitions after you've, after

648
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,760
you've attended, right? 
Don't quit your job, don't sell 

649
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,480
your house, don't get divorced. 
Because the impulse when you've 

650
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,600
had this kind of experience is 
I've seen the light, I know the 

651
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,440
truth. 
I am God, I can make all these 

652
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,560
changes. 
And I mean, sure, what like we, 

653
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:21,960
it definitely feels like we've 
gained a, a bigger truth, but 

654
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,480
then real life is gonna come 
back. 

655
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,040
Real life is still gonna come 
back. 

656
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:31,600
And so how do we navigate these 
kind of like big moments in that

657
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:37,480
real life context? 
So like, should we feel totally 

658
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:42,000
comfortable approaching this or 
should we be a little concerned 

659
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:46,800
and respectful of, of the 
lineage that this comes from of 

660
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,199
the right of the of the 
potential power of what it's 

661
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,760
going to do to us emotionally, 
psychologically? 

662
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,520
I think a little fear is 
probably good. 

663
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,720
It sounds like you still have 
that after decades and decades 

664
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:05,640
and decades. 
I so that's so interesting. 

665
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,120
I've lost it for a little bit. 
I was afraid for a really long 

666
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,960
time and I was afraid. 
I'm not panicked, but I would 

667
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,600
have that moment of like, OK, 
here we go, right? 

668
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,720
Nervous anxiousness of. 
I've lost that fear for a short 

669
00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:24,520
little period about a year ago. 
And I was just like, yeah, 

670
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,080
whatever. 
I've taken all kinds. 

671
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,760
It's like it all looks like I 
can take all kinds. 

672
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,720
It's like it all. 
They're not addictive. 

673
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,640
It's not a big deal. 
It doesn't do much for your 

674
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,400
body. 
And I ended up like with real 

675
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,960
medical problems that the 
doctors couldn't figure out what

676
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,720
was going on and that I still 
don't have like a firm diagnosis

677
00:35:41,720 --> 00:35:43,760
'cause, you know, I only reveal 
so much. 

678
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:50,000
But it looks like it was 
probably like some kind of, 

679
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,920
what's that syndrome called? 
Troy, do you remember it's like 

680
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,360
when you when there's too much 
serotonin syndrome, where 

681
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,000
there's too much serotonin in 
your body and it messes up your 

682
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,200
like capacity to function. 
So. 

683
00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:10,760
So again. 
Now I'm afraid. 

684
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,760
Again. 
Not actively, not enough to stop

685
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,600
me, but enough to be really 
respectful. 

686
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:21,560
One of the best ways that I've 
heard it put and that that I use

687
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:26,280
now is like, psychedelics are a 
skill that you can get better 

688
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,160
at. 
Like let's look at it as like 

689
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,720
karate, right? 
If you're going to join karate, 

690
00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:32,360
you're not just going to go 
like, all right, I'm going to 

691
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,040
get into a fight and see what 
happens, right? 

692
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,160
Like, you have a sensei first, 
right? 

693
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,080
And like you get trained and you
get taught what to do. 

694
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,200
When they do this, you do this. 
When they do this, you do this, 

695
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,040
right? 
And like in that starting 

696
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,640
journey of psychedelics, it 
really makes a lot of sense to 

697
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,640
have that sensei. 
So when I started doing guiding 

698
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:56,000
guided psychedelics, right, like
if something would get scary, I 

699
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,320
learned breath work, right, 
'cause someone's like, no, no, 

700
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,960
do box breathing, Watch what 
happens. 

701
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:03,720
And then all of a sudden I was 
like, oh, I, I just left my body

702
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:04,720
for a minute. 
That was great. 

703
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,560
And from box breathing, Yeah. 
Well, on psychedelics, yeah. 

704
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,640
Yeah. 
But just 30 minutes of box 

705
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,640
breathing and I was just left my
body, my stomach was a little 

706
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,320
uncomfortable from the 
mushrooms. 

707
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,880
And they were like, keep 
breathing it this way and you 

708
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,800
won't notice your body anymore. 
And I was like, oh, I left my 

709
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,440
meat bag. 
Like, that's wild. 

710
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,240
Yeah, it was very interesting. 
But I keep learning these new 

711
00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:30,280
things in psychedelics, right? 
And like, the way that I look at

712
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,480
it is it's an onion that you 
continue to peel back. 

713
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,200
So a lot of times your first 
psychedelic experience could go 

714
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,200
very bad because that's the 
first layer of the onion, right?

715
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:42,960
That's the first piece where 
you're dealing with that 

716
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,880
childhood trauma, where you're 
dealing with that those surface 

717
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,000
level emotions that are 
fundamentally inside of you that

718
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,200
you've been bottling up. 
And now we're about to come out.

719
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,000
So that's where you really want 
to be guided, right? 

720
00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:01,000
But after doing, I don't know, 
20-30 guided ceremonies like 

721
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,440
then, I felt equipped. 
About two months ago, I had 

722
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,360
probably the most profound 
psychedelic experience of my 

723
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,320
life. 
I did 8 grams of mushrooms 

724
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,240
completely by myself, completely
by myself because I felt 

725
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,880
equipped so that I could handle 
anything that would come up. 

726
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,440
And it was so profound. 
It was so crazy because I shed 

727
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:26,680
all the layers of Troy that is a
dad, a business owner, this of 

728
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,000
that you know, you have all. 
And the, the older you get and 

729
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,600
you have kids, like the more 
those layers are on and you 

730
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,200
forget who you were. 
And the best way I can describe 

731
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:38,520
it is I fell in love with myself
again. 

732
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:43,120
Like I took myself on the best 4
hour date I've ever had with 

733
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,160
myself completely alone and I I 
felt equipped to handle it. 

734
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,680
But that shouldn't have been my 
first psychedelic. 

735
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,800
Experience. 
Right, like like that could have

736
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,000
gone very. 
Grounds on your own like. 

737
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,760
That's a huge. 
That's a heroic, yeah, massive 

738
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:01,000
heroic dose. 
Yeah. 

739
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,200
So like the starting point, the,
the feeling comfortable starting

740
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:08,400
with low doses and working your 
way up and dealing with some of 

741
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,400
those traumatic things. 
Cause like the first level for 

742
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,320
me, it's like the trauma, the 
identity, but then it goes a 

743
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,040
little deeper into like the 
meaning of life, the source, 

744
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,320
right? 
And then it goes a little bit 

745
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,960
deeper and each layer gets a 
little bit more profound. 

746
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,680
But I mean, that's why they call
it the work. 

747
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,000
Because we work through all the 
other trauma and like, get 

748
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,360
bullshit that we have that we 
carry, Yeah, in order to get to 

749
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,240
that. 
Yeah. 

750
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,440
And that's, that's the, that's 
the hard part. 

751
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:42,080
And that's where we really 
believe in guided, safe, take 

752
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,200
the right stuff at the right 
time, preparation, integration, 

753
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,840
all of that stuff. 
So that's really what our 

754
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,560
mission has been is, is 
basically really understanding 

755
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,720
who the human is and then 
pointing them in a direction 

756
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,840
that we feel is the best to work
with, the best in class to 

757
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,080
handle whatever it is you're 
looking to get out of, you know,

758
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,320
a psychedelic regimen or a 
psychedelic experience. 

759
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,280
So. 
You're like the General 

760
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,320
practitioner that they go to to 
go, hey, who's the specialist? 

761
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,120
Where do I go to to go? 
The final is going to help me, 

762
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,640
yeah. 
Yeah, But really understanding 

763
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,400
on a deeper level that 30 
minutes, I mean, you can gain so

764
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,160
much from someone if they can be
honest in those thirty minutes 

765
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,600
about their life, their 
struggles, like who they are, 

766
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:25,280
maybe what they're taking, what 
they're doing, like that can be 

767
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,640
massively beneficial in that 
experience and really aligning 

768
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,760
them with someone. 
Like you said, some people have 

769
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,200
certain traumas that really are 
cater to almost specific types 

770
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,800
of therapies or types of 
personalities in that to work 

771
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,160
with that, it's like you will 
gain the most value from this 

772
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:46,160
type of person. 
Yep, yeah, that's, that's been 

773
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,920
our, our, our mission for a long
time now. 

774
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,760
My, my biggest thing is I find 
that the people who probably 

775
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,080
need psychedelics the most are 
the people that are the most 

776
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,040
adverse to them. 
And this is the same thing with 

777
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:02,600
cannabis is like you had the 
image of the pothead, right? 

778
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,840
Like, oh, wait, I'm gonna smoke 
that. 

779
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,640
I know who smokes that those 
guys in the basement that don't 

780
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,520
do anything and they live in 
their parents house, right. 

781
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,040
And that was that was this 
initial stigma. 

782
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,160
And like right now with 
psychedelics, it's like, oh, 

783
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,800
that's for like those people in 
leather vest that slackline and 

784
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,680
and live in Thailand and you 
know, like I'll do them and I'll

785
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,400
want to quit my job and nothing,
you know, nothing will matter 

786
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,480
anymore. 
And like, it's really like the 

787
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,400
soccer moms who are living, you 
know, their mundane lives, who 

788
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,560
just need to need to remember 
their spark, their inner joy, 

789
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:37,440
you know? 
Remember who they? 

790
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,000
Are Yeah. 
These businessmen who just nine 

791
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,240
to five, they go, they go and, 
and and that's what we want to 

792
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:49,800
bring is like psychedelics to 
the masses where everybody feels

793
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,240
comfortable doing. 
Like my avatar, I grew up Mormon

794
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:55,400
as well. 
My avatar is my sister and my 

795
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,160
mom. 
If I could do MDMA with my 

796
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,640
sister and my mom like because 
they now feel like it's been 

797
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,160
normalized enough, Oh my God 
that would just be that. 

798
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,320
Would be amazing, yeah. 
Could you imagine doing? 

799
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,840
It it's the same thing with like
I think about that with my 

800
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,880
parents even like I've thought 
about it, man, how cool it'd be 

801
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,880
to consume cannabis or do like a
micro dose with my parents or, 

802
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,680
you know, MDMA. 
Like what would those 

803
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,400
experiences in those 
conversations? 

804
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,000
And honestly it sucks because I 
had a conversation with my dad 

805
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,480
about this yesterday because one
of my cousins, we talked about 

806
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,240
it like a couple weeks ago and 
she's going through therapy and 

807
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:34,320
she's like it's interesting. 
I honestly don't feel like 

808
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,680
anyone in that side actually 
loves each other. 

809
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,000
Like I don't feel like. 
And and that side of our family 

810
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:45,960
is 160 plus people. 
We're massive from my 

811
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:50,320
grandparents down like. 
Mormons multiply like amoeba, 

812
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,720
Yeah. 
We are Mormons through and 

813
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:54,560
through. 
That's like, hey, can we pop out

814
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,920
how many kids like, let's do it 
so. 

815
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,280
I've got five kids, rookie. 
Yeah, what? 

816
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,640
I have a small family. 
Those are rookie numbers. 

817
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,600
Balls rolling through 
California. 

818
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:04,720
They. 
Be like Mormon bro. 

819
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:06,920
Yeah, right. 
That's exactly right. 

820
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,040
So but I look at that and I'm 
like, I would love to do those 

821
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,960
types of things with them. 
And looking at that and going, 

822
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,240
yeah, realizing most of my 
family has no idea what love is 

823
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:18,760
like. 
They don't love themselves. 

824
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,320
They don't love each other. 
So looking at that and going, 

825
00:43:21,720 --> 00:43:24,680
how much of them could be healed
in the right setting? 

826
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,320
The right like, if they had 
someone to guide them, walk them

827
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,760
through this, how many of these 
broken children would come 

828
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,920
outgoing? 
Hey, oh, my God. 

829
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,440
Like, I am so much more than I 
thought I was. 

830
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,160
And then they treat other people
so much more because they see 

831
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,200
them differently. 
And like you said, it becomes 

832
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,800
the like we not an us and a them
or like each of us as 

833
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,880
individuals. 
That's like a we, you see their 

834
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,040
struggles, you feel their 
struggles and you're there for 

835
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:56,440
them, for those struggles 
because you're not judging them.

836
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,120
It's no longer this like, Oh 
well, I'm better than you or 

837
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,400
this. 
It's like, no, you're human, I'm

838
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,120
human, we're human. 
Like we're all going through 

839
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,560
this human experience together. 
And sometimes it's incredibly 

840
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:14,040
shitty and hard, and other times
it's incredibly beautiful, but 

841
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,800
you can't experience that 
beautiful without the shitty and

842
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,800
the heart. 
But it's like we wear so many 

843
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,640
layers of this ego, of this 
struggle of life that we carry. 

844
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,480
And it's like how many rocks are
in our backpack that we're 

845
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,120
carrying. 
Yeah, you know. 

846
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,120
One of the greatest things that 
I've ever done for my marriage 

847
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,240
is as I started going down this 
path, me and my wife started 

848
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:38,320
tradition where we'll get a 
hotel room every three months to

849
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,080
six months. 
And we'll do a little bit of 

850
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,640
MDMA and we'll do a little bit 
of mushrooms and we will talk. 

851
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:47,680
And like the last experience 
that we had when my son was 

852
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,640
really little, you know, she 
looked at me and she's like you.

853
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,600
So we, I have two boys, right? 
And one was three and one was 

854
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,920
one. 
And she looked at me and she 

855
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,800
said, you need to hold Skyler 
more. 

856
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,320
And like, if she would have told
me that on a random Tuesday, I'd

857
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,560
be like, I'm a great fucking 
dad. 

858
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,600
Like, I do see all the things 
I'm doing. 

859
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:07,360
Do you see? 
Do you? 

860
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,560
Yeah, I I just would have gotten
very defensive. 

861
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:13,880
And you know, when she said it, 
in that moment, I was like, you 

862
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,680
know what? 
You're right. 

863
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,720
Because I feel like because you 
were the mother and this is a 

864
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:22,160
baby. 
Your responsibility is to this 

865
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,080
baby while I'm taking care of 
the three-year old who no longer

866
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,880
needs you as much anymore. 
And I was able to analyze why I 

867
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,560
was doing it, what I could be 
doing better. 

868
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:36,120
And instead of a fight, it's 
this super profound moment that 

869
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:39,320
like the very next day, you 
know, it's like, I got Skylar. 

870
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:40,920
I got Skylar. 
Don't worry about, I'll feed 

871
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,080
him. 
I'll feed him like, because I, I

872
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,120
fundamentally understood where 
she was coming from and was able

873
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,200
to shed my ego enough to be 
like, oh, you're right. 

874
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,880
And here are the reasons. 
You are right. 

875
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:54,200
And here's what I was thinking 
when I was doing that. 

876
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,400
'Cause our ego gets in that way 
and it's like, what was their 

877
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:58,560
tone? 
What was this? 

878
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,960
And it's like half of the time 
we take it way out of context 

879
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,040
and blow things way out of a 
proportion in something simple 

880
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,640
like that could have been like, 
you know, it turns into like, 

881
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,160
I'm holding him enough. 
Like, you don't think I'm a good

882
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,520
dad. 
And you're like, versus just 

883
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,280
sitting and realizing where 
she's coming from, what she was 

884
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,080
trying to convey and going, oh, 
man, seeing more of the picture 

885
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,840
and going, yeah, I, I could do 
that. 

886
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,920
I like. 
And that's what you integrate 

887
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,240
into your life. 
You go, OK, cool. 

888
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:27,960
Yeah, this is what I'm going to 
pull from this. 

889
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:33,400
I think about like the layers, 
you know, peeling off. 

890
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,760
But I'm also got this like, idea
of rendering the fat, right? 

891
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,640
So if you've got the fat back on
something like pork or something

892
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,880
like that, you want to render 
that fat because then you get to

893
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,120
the really tasty part. 
And that's, you know, the tasty 

894
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,160
part of life is being able to 
get these layers. 

895
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,760
We become so calcified. 
And so, you know, we develop 

896
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,800
these calluses that just keep 
building over our emotions and 

897
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,880
our life and pain, right? 
Yeah, but but not just, I mean, 

898
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,160
we're protecting ourselves, but 
it's OK to be strong from that. 

899
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,880
It's OK to have those calluses, 
but to know that there's 

900
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,240
something soft inside. 
And I think we build it up so 

901
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:11,000
much that we don't allow 
ourselves to do that. 

902
00:47:11,240 --> 00:47:15,240
So by being able to have such a 
services such as what you guys 

903
00:47:15,240 --> 00:47:17,840
are providing here, by being 
able to find the right guide 

904
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,040
that's going to be for your 
right situation and for what 

905
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,480
you're going through currently, 
that's immense. 

906
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,680
Especially now where it's 
becoming so popularized. 

907
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,120
It's it's getting to the point 
where it's going to be like in 

908
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,360
talks like CBD, like I don't 
want to go to 711 and get my 

909
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,160
dose. 
Like that's dose not give me 

910
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,960
give AM. 
Give me slushy. 

911
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,280
Skittles and some MDMA. 
Yeah, I'll take I'll, I'll take 

912
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,040
the blue flavor and I will take 
the red flavor. 

913
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,920
And they're like, OK, like I 
don't even know what. 

914
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,360
I want Mountain Dew Baja blast. 
MDMA Slurpee. 

915
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,840
It's got to be. 
It's got to be like Nyquil. 

916
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,880
Like Nyquil is the only medicine
out there that tastes like red 

917
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,440
or green 'cause there's no other
way to describe it. 

918
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,640
It's just like this. 
Tastes like it. 

919
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,280
Does taste like? 
Right, so you just fall asleep. 

920
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,080
But I wanted to ask you Viva, 
since you've you've been the the

921
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:14,600
most experienced psychonaut. 
I have been thinking about this 

922
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:18,040
for a bit only because of Frank 
Herbert's Dune. 

923
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:24,680
So there is a mushroom expert. 
What's his name is it? 

924
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,760
Is it McKenna, Terence Mckenna's
brother? 

925
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,440
Terence McKenna. 
It's the guy who wears the 

926
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,800
massive hat. 
He wears a hat and glasses, has 

927
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,920
the big beard Stamos. 
Seems Batman. 

928
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,800
No, no Stamos, Stamos, all 
stamens. 

929
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:40,840
All stamens. 
All stamens. 

930
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,320
Yeah, sorry Aviva, they're 
they're getting me high so. 

931
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,120
We're just always a mistake with
Troy but. 

932
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:51,240
You guys are a black belt. 
I'm a yellow belt in weeds. 

933
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:52,440
Oh, don't. 
Don't worry, man. 

934
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,360
Never go too far, man. 
We are. 

935
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,160
We're very responsible for that.
You. 

936
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,960
Guys are my guides, so yeah. 
No, no, you should probably cut 

937
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,920
yourself off. 
But but in Frank Hubbard's Dune,

938
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,680
this the, the guy was reading it
back then and he knew Frank 

939
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,120
Herbert and he came to him and 
he, they were talking about the 

940
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:17,600
blue juice of life. 
And he said, that's psilocybin 

941
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,720
tea. 
He goes, you created that the 

942
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:24,520
spice is from psilocybin. 
And he goes, you know, you're 

943
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,640
the only one who got that. 
Yeah, he's like, you're the 

944
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,240
first person who's ever noticed 
that. 

945
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,880
Yeah, and it was like psilocybin
tea. 

946
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:37,160
I know that it can turn blue, 
but how's the experience 

947
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,200
compared to just eating the 
plant? 

948
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,600
Compared to just eating it. 
Tea versus. 

949
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:48,160
Like, OK, so, so the issue with 
eating mushrooms is that it 

950
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,920
takes time to metabolize so that
you're it's not going to hit 

951
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,200
your body. 
And like Troy was saying 

952
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:56,240
earlier, it's probably going to 
mess with your stomach. 

953
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:57,760
You're going to you're going to 
feel nauseous. 

954
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:01,320
It's not, it's not the end. 
It doesn't taste that great. 

955
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,040
What? 
It's delicious. 

956
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:06,560
Stop telling these people. 
Lies. 

957
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,000
If you grind it up, you can use 
cannabis grinder. 

958
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,320
You grind it up, you stick it in
a tea bag or a tea holder. 

959
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,440
You you, you steep it for like 
1/2 an hour. 

960
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,200
You can add honey, you can add 
right sugar. 

961
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,080
You can do what you want. 
Some people add lemon, it's 

962
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,440
called lemon teking, which makes
it even stronger. 

963
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,440
It's going to hit your body 
faster. 

964
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:32,320
I've heard that helps. 
And it metabolizes much more 

965
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,720
quickly. 
Yeah, Yeah, it does. 

966
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:36,880
Like I said, which was getting 
to that you're not nauseous on 

967
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,680
it as much. 
With the lemon juice you may. 

968
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,400
Feel some nausea again, 
depending on the quantity that 

969
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,400
you've taken and you know your 
dosage and your comfort level 

970
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,960
and you know if you're used to 
feeling this in your body or 

971
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,200
not. 
But no, chances are you're going

972
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,280
to navigate it a lot more 
smoothly and you feel the come 

973
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:59,480
on more softly, so it becomes 
something that you can lean into

974
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,400
differently than if you're just 
chewing the stuff. 

975
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:05,160
The only way I do mushrooms that
was lemon teking. 

976
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:07,480
Like the difference it's done on
my stomach. 

977
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,360
Yeah. 
So basically the the way that it

978
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:14,120
works is like the lemon kind of 
pre digest the stuff that your 

979
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,280
stomach was going to have to 
digest. 

980
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,160
Yeah. 
So it's not the psilocybin 

981
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,560
itself, but it's everything else
that's in the mushrooms like it.

982
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,240
It kind of does the. 
Work of the microorganisms, 

983
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,080
yeah, interact with your gut 
Biome or something and I acid in

984
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:27,920
advance. 
Lemon juice. 

985
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,120
In advance, Yeah, it's, it's, 
it's been once. 

986
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,800
I did it once. 
I was like, this is the only way

987
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:34,960
I'm ever going to. 
Take. 

988
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:39,000
I hadn't heard that before and I
told a friend to try that 

989
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,520
because she was like, oh, every 
time I'd use mushrooms, I'm just

990
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,040
nauseous or I throw up. 
And I was like, well, I heard 

991
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,640
lemon juice works, but it might 
make it work like more potent. 

992
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,000
So just be careful. 
But try that next time. 

993
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,000
And I get a video message from 
my buddy and his girlfriend and 

994
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,200
they're like, Oh my gosh, it's 
amazing. 

995
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,440
I don't feel sick at all. 
And I was like, well, that's, 

996
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,640
I'm glad it worked for you. 
Like I've I've not tried that 

997
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,160
yet. 
So yeah, I've been really 

998
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,880
interested because I mean, you 
imagine having a picture of that

999
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,760
in your in your fridge. 
Daddy, what's that blue juice 

1000
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,280
over here? 
Can I have some of the blue 

1001
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:13,000
juice? 
No. 

1002
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,920
No, you're not talking to God 
today. 

1003
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,320
Yeah, seriously. 
I don't know, like I personally 

1004
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,120
have had psychedelic experiences
with my children who are adults,

1005
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:28,240
but but it's I don't mind giving
them the blue juice like it's a 

1006
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,400
it's an actual honor to it's an.
Adult. 

1007
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,400
I think that would be amazing. 
Kind of thing. 

1008
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,080
To have that type of connected 
experience with them because 

1009
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,360
I've done it with like a, a 
handful of close friends now and

1010
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,360
then, like here and there. 
I've done psychedelics with a 

1011
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:47,280
few. 
And I think in certain circles 

1012
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,920
with the SAT setting and the 
people like that's OK. 

1013
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,880
And it when my kids get old 
enough to the point that they're

1014
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,720
adults, I would love to have 
that experience with my 

1015
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:58,840
children. 
Like MDMA, psilocybin, like 

1016
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,480
those, 'cause I know, gosh, I 
know. 

1017
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,000
I've never been the perfect 
parent. 

1018
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,880
And how much that. 
They I'm glad he admitted it. 

1019
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,960
The. 
First he keeps doing that. 

1020
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,800
He sends me like memes, like I'm
better than you. 

1021
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,880
And then he'll like send 
pictures of me doing stuff with 

1022
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,720
his kids. 
He's like, were you you. 

1023
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,320
Bastard religion is what did it 
because I was like this concept 

1024
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,360
of God, this like perfect 
father. 

1025
00:53:23,720 --> 00:53:25,880
And then they looked at it and I
was like, if he's the perfect 

1026
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,520
father, I'm I'm nowhere near a 
perfect father. 

1027
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,680
And if he's and I was like, and 
if he's the perfect father and 

1028
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,960
I'm like this story that I've 
been told makes no sense. 

1029
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,280
No, and I was like, that's AI 
cannot wrap this in my mind that

1030
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,600
this is true. 
And I was like, that's a load of

1031
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,000
shit. 
And so since then, that like 

1032
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,040
concept of that because I'm 
like, and and now I look at it 

1033
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:53,800
and I feel like I am way more 
introspective about how I am 

1034
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,440
with my kids. 
I am always the first one to go.

1035
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,240
I am sorry. 
I yelled, I snapped. 

1036
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:02,920
Like I am sorry. 
My parents never apologize. 

1037
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,320
Jesse's we talked about it. 
His parents didn't either. 

1038
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:06,920
It was like, this is how you 
were raised. 

1039
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,800
You got like smacked. 
You got like you were put in 

1040
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,720
your place. 
You were you did what you were 

1041
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:16,640
told and like just how shit was.
And so now I'm like looking at 

1042
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,240
it going, yeah, no, I I'm not 
raising my children that way. 

1043
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:23,520
And and still looking at it 
going like how many times that I

1044
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,280
just because of how I was 
raised, that it's a reaction and

1045
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:32,240
going I'm sorry, I reacted. 
I was not paying attention. 

1046
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:34,760
I was frustrated. 
All this was going on and and 

1047
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:39,160
I'm sorry, like I'm still 
working on being a parent and 

1048
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,440
like work with this through me 
because you know, if there's 

1049
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,000
things that you're like dad, 
like tell me because I know I'm 

1050
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,800
not perfect and I'm the first 
one to go. 

1051
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:52,280
Hey, I fucked up like I'm sorry.
Yeah, he says it a lot. 

1052
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,800
That's that's one of the best 
parenting things you can you can

1053
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,520
do. 
I think a lot of children get 

1054
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:02,760
fucked up is when they think 
they're their father, their 

1055
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,200
parent figures are the end all 
be all right. 

1056
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,520
Yeah. 
And they know exactly what to do

1057
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,960
and exactly when to do it. 
And when I don't do it, I get 

1058
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,720
yelled at and they know 
everything. 

1059
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,240
And then those people, like they
don't realize until they have 

1060
00:55:15,240 --> 00:55:18,160
kids like, oh, my parents are 
just a bunch of idiots trying 

1061
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,160
the best that they could. 
Why didn't they tell me that 

1062
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,800
earlier? 
Like the earlier that you can 

1063
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:28,360
look at your child and relate 1 
to one as human rather than 

1064
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,800
parent to kid is is. 
Very. 

1065
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,000
So many times they come to me. 
Dad, do you know this? 

1066
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,640
No, actually, I don't. 
Let's let's go find this out 

1067
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,160
together because I don't have to
know everything. 

1068
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,400
Yeah, I'm older. 
Yeah, I've been around longer. 

1069
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,840
But I'm not the end all be all. 
I'm not God. 

1070
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,720
I'm not whatever you want to 
think of that is, I'm Brandon. 

1071
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,960
I'm this guy who's figuring life
out as he goes, and I'm still 

1072
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:55,960
figuring life out. 
I have no idea and as new data 

1073
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:59,640
and information come along I go 
oh shoot look I was incorrect. 

1074
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,640
I learned something new today. 
They. 

1075
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,680
Yeah, I mean, you know, I this 
is reminding me of a book I 

1076
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,960
recently listened to on near 
death experiences. 

1077
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,920
It was he was on, there was a 
guy, he was on Shawn Ryan's 

1078
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:18,720
podcast and it was awesome. 
I was like, you know what, I'm 

1079
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:21,040
going to do this. 
And I smoked a lot of cannabis 

1080
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,160
while I listened to this book. 
And you know, that, that idea of

1081
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,360
thinking about a perfect, you 
know, I'm not perfect. 

1082
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:32,440
And, and a lot of, you know, 
religions across the board, they

1083
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,560
all want, they had this idea of 
you need to be perfect and 

1084
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,200
you're not worthy enough, you're
not good enough. 

1085
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:41,360
You, you, you'll never be there.
And a lot of people feel that 

1086
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,560
like within, you know, in Utah, 
the, the predominant faith of, 

1087
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:50,080
of the LDS Church, that's what's
the, the idea that people get. 

1088
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,880
But when I listened to this 
book, it took all these near 

1089
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:57,720
death experiences over a / 30 
years and the commonalities they

1090
00:56:57,720 --> 00:57:00,280
found in it. 
And the closest thing that I, 

1091
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,280
what they were talking about is 
the same feeling that I have on 

1092
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:07,680
psilocybin, which was absolute 
acceptance, absolute love. 

1093
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:11,080
And that's what every single 
person talked about in those 

1094
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:17,080
near death experiences where we 
envision whatever the greater 

1095
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:21,320
entity, whatever you want to 
call them, them whatever is, 

1096
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,400
it's nothing but light and love.
There's no judgement, there's no

1097
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,160
anger. 
There's only like the way they 

1098
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,200
described it was the most 
intense love you've ever felt in

1099
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,040
your life. 
And I, I feel that we get a 

1100
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:40,360
touch that when we use 
psychedelics, just for a moment,

1101
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,320
imagine if that was all the time
ever expanding. 

1102
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:47,080
I mean, that'd be crazy. 
Somebody's like, look, dude, if 

1103
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,400
you, if you take mushrooms, 
your, your love is just going to

1104
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:51,880
get bigger and bigger and 
bigger. 

1105
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,160
If you go in with the right 
intent, the right person to 

1106
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,520
guide you, like you just had the
happiest people walking around. 

1107
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,240
Like, I feel nicer. 
Like Brandon rode with me. 

1108
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,000
I am the most passive driver 
ever. 

1109
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,120
Oh, you go ahead, Sir. 
Somebody over there getting real

1110
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,280
angry. 
I'm like, hey, take care. 

1111
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,880
And they're hitting your horn. 
For you, I I never hit my horn. 

1112
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:14,880
I rarely hit my horn even if I'm
at a stop light and and the guys

1113
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,520
over there dinking around on 
this phone going who, who 

1114
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,880
messaged me? 
Jesse's like he'll finish the 

1115
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:20,880
text soon. 
He's like. 

1116
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,400
Fuck it up. 
I'm like, I'll wait like for 

1117
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,480
like 5 to like, all right, just 
a little. 

1118
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,480
And they go, oh, you know, 
'cause I feel that I'm just 

1119
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,040
like, oh, I'm so sorry. 
And, and allowing people to get 

1120
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,440
in line at the grocery store, 
they just got that look on their

1121
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,840
face saying, Hey, you need this 
more than I do. 

1122
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,600
It just puts you in this sense 
of and, and I, and I say this 

1123
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,320
too to a lot of people, I was 
like, it put you in this Christ 

1124
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,840
like sense where you're just 
like, I'm going to be loving, 

1125
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,920
I'm going to be caring. 
I care about all of you, all of 

1126
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,720
you are important. 
That's where I mean, you know, 

1127
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,040
Brandon bringing me into, you 
know, cannabis. 

1128
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,600
I mean, like I started telling 
him like, you know, early on 

1129
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,760
when we started really hanging 
out, I'm like, hey man, I love 

1130
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,360
you. 
And it was like a light went off

1131
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:04,680
on him. 
He goes, I love you too, man. 

1132
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:09,120
We every day we talk, which can 
be multiple times a day, every 

1133
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,760
time we get off the phone like, 
hey, I love you bro, love you 

1134
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,960
too. 
And I've spread that to other 

1135
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,360
people. 
And now I have people like I 

1136
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,680
just met this new guy yesterday 
and we're talking it's all 

1137
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,760
business stuff and, and I just 
say hey man, I love you. 

1138
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,760
And he's like, I love you too. 
Like so excited. 

1139
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,000
And I feel that's the same way 
with psilocybin, like we're 

1140
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,280
people need to be in that 
environment. 

1141
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,480
You can't get love in 7-11 out 
of a bag that's sealed by the 

1142
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,480
counter that's in Raspberry. 
You just can't. 

1143
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,080
You mean charity? 
Well. 

1144
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,480
Shit, I changed everything. 
I was just like, you know, what,

1145
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,640
if it's, you know, if it's that 
you're like, but if it's cherry 

1146
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:51,840
like shit, man, to come off like
Kobe Bryant's in there in the 

1147
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,360
Staples Arena, right, Just 
you're like, I'm ready to I'm 

1148
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,520
ready to play ball. 
Like, no, it's it it definitely 

1149
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,240
you need that. 
You really need that guide into 

1150
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:06,760
Sage, if you will, somebody that
can really help you through that

1151
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:11,000
process and and allow that 
stigma to fall off of you. 

1152
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:13,160
And that's what I love about 
these communities. 

1153
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:16,040
It's not like you're going to 
run into each other at the 

1154
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:19,960
supermarket locally going. 
I know what you do on Saturdays.

1155
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:24,240
Like it's it's just a community.
You just know each other. 

1156
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,240
It's like when Brandon and I 
joke around about it with 

1157
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,400
potheads, like if you go 
anywhere in the world and don't 

1158
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,280
even speak the language and 
somebody is smoking some Chiba, 

1159
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,920
you go and they go, oh, yeah, 
yeah, they'll share it with you.

1160
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:40,720
And all of a sudden you're 
friends. 

1161
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,200
Yeah. 
It's like with psilocybin. 

1162
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:44,600
If somebody knows you do it, 
they go. 

1163
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:46,960
They they welcome you. 
Like what? 

1164
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,240
What Christians believe, how 
they'll be welcome when they 

1165
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:50,960
come into church. 
Yeah, come on. 

1166
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,320
Hey, what's up? 
Oh, it's. 

1167
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,480
So good to see you. 
How you do. 

1168
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:55,520
I love you. 
Yeah. 

1169
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,880
Yeah, we have this. 
I do this bed circle like once a

1170
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:04,600
month where we take psilocybin, 
but like the after doing a few 

1171
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,640
times, I was like, man, I think 
this is what church was trying 

1172
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,800
to do. 
I, I like we support each other.

1173
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,200
We talk about what everyone's 
going through. 

1174
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,320
There's genuine love. 
Everybody wants the next person 

1175
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,640
to just be a little bit butter 
and you could feel it and like, 

1176
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:24,600
I grew up going to Mormon church
and I was very bored, but right 

1177
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,280
like I, I. 
Got the market to be to do. 

1178
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,640
I I give the feeling they were 
trying to invoke, but I've just 

1179
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:36,880
found for me this much more real
way of doing it that now has 

1180
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,240
become my more or less my 
religion. 

1181
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,720
I've never done psilocybin and 
gone to church, but I've 

1182
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,760
definitely thought about it and 
I think that would be an amazing

1183
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,680
experience because I'm, I'm 
usually I, I have cannabis in my

1184
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,760
system when I go because I'm 
like, look, people are going to 

1185
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,680
say things are going to be 
pretty ignorant. 

1186
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,880
That's OK, you need to let that 
go. 

1187
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:57,600
I'm like, all right, so I go and
they'll say something. 

1188
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,840
And normally I'd be like, that 
was dumb. 

1189
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,880
Like now I'm just like, well, I 
wonder. 

1190
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:06,600
I wonder why that experience has
his attention. 

1191
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,920
That's all I think now. 
But it is it because it comes 

1192
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:14,480
down to compassion and right if 
we're full of opening our hearts

1193
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,960
up and it it it going back to 
what I was seeing before. 

1194
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,560
I don't know that psychedelics 
are the be all and end all for 

1195
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:27,160
that, but you know, if it's done
intentionally, if it's like if 

1196
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,880
it's indicated for you and your 
body, if you're capable of doing

1197
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:35,640
this, and if you're emotionally 
and psychologically whole enough

1198
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,240
to experience this and you don't
have to be whole, you just don't

1199
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,880
be whole enough, then 
absolutely. 

1200
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,200
Like, can it tap you into a 
deeper level of love? 

1201
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:50,320
You know, a consciousness of 
divinity, a sense of belonging 

1202
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:54,240
on. 
Self love like previous to 

1203
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:58,400
psychedelics, I honestly, I, I 
know I had no self love. 

1204
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,000
There was mirror work that I did
and experience and in that 

1205
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:06,840
moment, like just seeing myself 
in the mirror, I was bawling and

1206
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:11,000
I saw like I talked to myself 
and I was like in that moment I 

1207
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:15,840
was judging myself. 
But then I saw who I was and I 

1208
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,960
found that love and I was like 
this is horrible. 

1209
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:20,800
How have I not loved myself at 
all? 

1210
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:26,480
And to see that and like to feel
that difference, to find a love 

1211
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:30,800
for yourself can reflect so much
more outwardly when you find 

1212
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,480
that. 
So again, like you said, if 

1213
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,760
you're whole enough and you're 
in a good enough spot, you can 

1214
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,680
find one that works well with 
you. 

1215
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:41,760
You can go through and find that
for yourself and work through 

1216
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:46,560
these things and come out as a 
more of you because those pieces

1217
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,480
that you think are missing that 
you're just perception is 

1218
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,360
they're missing, so they're 
missing and so you're just 

1219
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:57,680
allowing that to come back. 
The more we do it too right, the

1220
01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:02,320
better we become at, at self 
regulating, at self healing, at 

1221
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,880
seeing our beauty. 
We get to reflect that outwards 

1222
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:09,160
and that, that rubs off. 
That rubs off on the people we 

1223
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:10,680
work with who we can say we 
love. 

1224
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,880
It rubs off on our parents and 
our children. 

1225
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,960
It rubs off on the drivers that 
we don't swear at, even though 

1226
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,280
they don't know like it rubs off
on, on, on the people in the 

1227
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:22,960
line in front of us. 
It it makes it, it makes us it, 

1228
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:27,120
it has the capacity to make the 
world maybe a little bit kinder,

1229
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,400
which I think we all need. 
Yeah, definitely. 

1230
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,840
And and and I love what you said
earlier too. 

1231
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,840
And, and I'm thank you for 
sharing that, that, you know, 

1232
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:38,920
there was a time where you, you,
it didn't make you nervous 

1233
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:41,320
anymore and you just took it a 
lot more. 

1234
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:45,120
And, you know, I, it reminds me 
of this one guy that I, I knew 

1235
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:48,320
he's around here. 
He was involved with the 

1236
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:52,040
business, doing really well, got
really into ayahuasca. 

1237
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,800
And he was, he was one of those 
guys like it's, it's better if 

1238
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:01,320
it's in the jungle. 
And he was going down so much 

1239
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:06,360
that he had a psychotic break 
and he came back and, and I, and

1240
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,080
I worked, I worked 10 years in 
psych. 

1241
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,360
So you, you have the ability to 
see other people through 

1242
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:16,000
different lens 'cause you know 
it so well. 

1243
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,560
It's not like, Oh no, no, this, 
you know, 2024 schizophrenia, so

1244
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,080
much more different than early 
2000 schizophrenia. 

1245
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,920
No, across the board it's been 
the same in the way that he was 

1246
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:32,160
acting was mildly schizophrenic.
And I felt so bad. 

1247
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:37,200
Where it's you fly too close to 
the sun and you're going to get 

1248
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,960
burned. 
I have, I have a friend going 

1249
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,360
through that right now. 
Like I was at an ayahuasca 

1250
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,520
ceremony and someone said 
something really interesting 

1251
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:46,480
about, you know, talk about 
preparation, integration. 

1252
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,200
It's like some people are 
looking for altered traits and 

1253
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:50,920
some people are looking for 
altered states. 

1254
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:54,480
Which one are you looking for? 
But I had a buddy who got his 

1255
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,320
psychedelics at like 40. 
Everything he did, he went to 

1256
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,840
the extreme right. 
So he's, it was just like, oh, 

1257
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,120
you took 4G of mushrooms. 
I could take 12. 

1258
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:04,440
Oh, you, you only do it once 
every three months. 

1259
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,160
I'm going to do it every day for
the next two weeks. 

1260
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,560
Oh, you do this with ayahuasca. 
I'm going to have more. 

1261
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,240
And it's like you're missing the
point and you are starting to 

1262
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,080
lose your minds. 
Like it's, that's not, it's not,

1263
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:19,880
that's not what you're missing. 
The entire point of what this is

1264
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:23,800
is for, you know, And that's 
why, again, you should be 

1265
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,080
working with someone who can 
help you and if you are that 

1266
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:30,400
kind of person, also remind you 
like, well, you're missing the 

1267
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,840
point a lot. 
'Cause like you said, your very 

1268
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,200
first thing where you're like, 
oh, I realized I was doing drugs

1269
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,920
all wrong. 
Because when you use, there's a 

1270
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:43,440
difference between like doing 
them recreationally or socially 

1271
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,320
and then using it with like an 
actual experience. 

1272
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,200
You use way less too. 
The medicine that you actually 

1273
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:53,320
use is tons less. 
And so you're like the 

1274
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:56,560
experience you get is way 
better, can be way more 

1275
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:02,280
impactful and you're using like 
a portion of what you would 

1276
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:05,440
otherwise. 
And it's like, again, it's like 

1277
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,840
setting dosing. 
Like there's so much that goes 

1278
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,520
into everything for. 
That that's the epiphany I'm 

1279
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,440
having right now is like when 
you, when you hear about, like 

1280
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:21,400
when you're taking it, It's 
what's the oh, damn it, damn 

1281
01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:23,000
marijuana. 
Got it. 

1282
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:27,680
No, no, no. 
No, but I had something there. 

1283
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,600
Damn it. 
It was actually pretty good. 

1284
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:31,440
It was good. 
Now it's gone. 

1285
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,200
It's gone, it'll come back. 
I have a good feeling about. 

1286
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:40,640
It no, no, I Yep, it's gone. 
You know what? 

1287
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,440
It probably wasn't meant to be 
anyway. 

1288
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,560
Let's think like no Jesse. 
That's way too meta. 

1289
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:47,600
Stop being a pretentious Dick 
head. 

1290
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:48,000
Hold on. 
We're. 

1291
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:49,360
Going to do. 
We're going to do a recap. 

1292
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,160
Let's get you back here. 
We talked about doing way too 

1293
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:56,200
much. 
Then we talked about the reasons

1294
01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:00,280
for doing it and the setting and
what your intentions were. 

1295
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,120
And then you were about to. 
Say, oh, yeah, you know what the

1296
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:05,480
guy going over there talking 
about like, I got to do more 

1297
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,840
than you. 
I got to do more than this one. 

1298
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,640
You know, nobody's going to do 
that with calcium and with 

1299
01:08:11,640 --> 01:08:14,240
magnesium calcitrate. 
Like, no one's going to take 

1300
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,120
like I'm going to drink the 
entire bottle. 

1301
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:20,640
And not only that, but the 
insides of my colon are going to

1302
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:25,520
look like steel, a brush steel, 
because it's going to clean me 

1303
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:26,680
out. 
It's going to be beautiful. 

1304
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,840
And that's the thing, like when 
when you're doing that, just 

1305
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,000
like, whoa, what? 
Like I still hold myself at, I, 

1306
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:35,720
I have a moderate tolerance. 
Yeah. 

1307
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,600
That's why I don't want to think
of as tolerance, because a 

1308
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:42,840
tolerance is being able to 
accept a poison into your body 

1309
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,640
and still not feel the effects. 
So I want to be able to elevate 

1310
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:52,399
myself based on this certain 
dosage because this is all I 

1311
01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:54,080
need, right? 
You don't. 

1312
01:08:54,439 --> 01:08:58,439
I mean, dude, pizza's delicious,
but you don't need to eat the 

1313
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,840
entire pie. 
You can have one or two slices 

1314
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:05,240
and just be happy. 
Well, maybe that's the intent 

1315
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,319
behind it is you know when. 
You weigh. 

1316
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:11,840
Out specifically your dose it's 
you know I've got this intent so

1317
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:15,120
it's a micro dose it's this 
small of a dose it's it's 1g 

1318
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:18,080
yeah you know but how often do 
you have the intent that you're 

1319
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:20,840
taking an 8g trip yeah you know 
so. 

1320
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:23,319
Just once. 
That's a, that's a planned 

1321
01:09:23,319 --> 01:09:27,240
event, yeah. 
So maybe that intent has, but it

1322
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:29,359
depends on the person. 
There's, like you've said, so 

1323
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:32,520
many people just, hey, well, I'm
going to eat a handful of 

1324
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:33,640
mushrooms. 
I'm just going to take this 

1325
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,439
mushroom. 
Do you even know how much it 

1326
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:36,399
was? 
Yeah. 

1327
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:38,840
Like there's so much they can go
into it and you're like, well, 

1328
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,240
was it 1/3 of a gram? 
Was it a gram and a half? 

1329
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:43,840
Like what was the dosage? 
And what strain was it? 

1330
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:45,880
Exactly. 
How did you consume it? 

1331
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:50,120
And like all of that matters and
people don't know. 

1332
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,080
So I agree. 
I but it goes back to what I was

1333
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:56,680
saying before around non like 
non specific amplifiers, because

1334
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,160
if you're a really competitive 
personality that has to prove 

1335
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:02,080
that what you're doing is better
than what other people are 

1336
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:06,200
doing, you're gonna fall into 
that kind of trap without the 

1337
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,560
proper preparation that you 
know, oh, here I am. 

1338
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,960
I've got to prove that I'm 
better at psychedelics as well. 

1339
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,480
So like, and, and to Troy's 
point, it is true. 

1340
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:20,240
I mean, it's not ultimately 
those are the habits that we're 

1341
01:10:20,240 --> 01:10:23,360
trying to break, not trying to 
solidify. 

1342
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:27,160
And if we're not careful, we can
find ourselves solidifying the 

1343
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:29,680
habits we don't want to be 
solidified. 

1344
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:35,160
I mean more of, you know, more 
rigid or more judgmental or more

1345
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:39,120
competitive, so. 
What I found, what I found kind 

1346
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:43,720
of ironic about psychedelics is 
the more I've done them, the 

1347
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:47,080
less I need them and the less 
often like. 

1348
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,360
Now I now I call it. 
I do, the less I do. 

1349
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:54,560
Like a refresher, like I've had 
these profound realizations in 

1350
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:57,880
my life that now I know 
inherently and I just need a 

1351
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,840
reminder every once in a while, 
you know, like that that's all 

1352
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,280
it is. 
I just need a top off to just 

1353
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:07,040
just remember like, oh, you know
that thing that you 

1354
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,840
fundamentally know now. 
Like, you know, like a prime 

1355
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,880
example of when I was talking 
about the five MEODMT, like I 

1356
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,280
have this realization that I 
needed to take better care of 

1357
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,520
myself on a trip a long time 
ago. 

1358
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:22,800
And the five MEODMT was just 
like, Hey, remember that? 

1359
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,320
Like, like, don't forget that 
thing that you inherently knew 

1360
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:27,760
before. 
And it was like, oh, thanks. 

1361
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,560
Like good. 
I I'm good for the next. 

1362
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:31,480
Thanks. 
Hire me. 

1363
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,720
Yeah, I'm good for the next year
or six months or whatever it 

1364
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:38,760
quote UN quote calls you back. 
But like I don't it's not like I

1365
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:42,120
crave it. 
I know when I I just need to 

1366
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:43,960
remember again, if that makes 
sense. 

1367
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:45,800
Could you feel it? 
And it's like, Oh yeah, I 

1368
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:49,080
should, I should probably check 
back in with the mushrooms. 

1369
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,240
Yeah, I need a little reminder. 
Yeah, it's the least competitive

1370
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:54,840
thing, right? 
I mean, that's funny, you know, 

1371
01:11:54,840 --> 01:11:57,600
people saying I can do more 
psychedelics than you can. 

1372
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,720
It's like that's psych flexing. 
I mean, cool. 

1373
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,880
I I guess like that. 
That's neat. 

1374
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,480
My ego's more dead than your 
ego. 

1375
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,640
I drink more water. 
I I drink more water than yours.

1376
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,000
I don't even have my ego's on 
the cross. 

1377
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:12,160
Look at my eyes. 
There's. 

1378
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:13,920
Still been laying. 
Here for a week. 

1379
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,600
Completely. 
Black once I, I remember a 

1380
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,720
friend saying something like, 
you know, oh man, I took all 

1381
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:25,080
this LSD and like my third eye 
opened and like I was in touch 

1382
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:28,680
with God and like, like I, I 
just need to take more. 

1383
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:32,360
And my son, my youngest says 
like, well, with his third eyes 

1384
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:34,960
open, where else is he going to 
go? 

1385
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:38,480
Like, isn't he done? 
And at some point you do, you 

1386
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:40,840
have to start asking why. 
Why am I doing this? 

1387
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,640
That's like drinking a whole 
bottle of of laxative right 

1388
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:45,640
there again and my butt hole 
opened. 

1389
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:47,440
Up and the. 
Sights fell out. 

1390
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:51,480
That reminds me of the story 
when we were in Denver at the 

1391
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:54,720
MAPS conference, and we were at 
that bar and the guy was like, 

1392
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,920
yeah, I'm writing a book. 
I've done LSD every day living 

1393
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,480
in my van, and I want to do it 
for 365 days. 

1394
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,720
And he was just saying it from 
this, you know, this kind of 

1395
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,280
noble place. 
And if he just looks and goes, 

1396
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,800
why the fuck would you do that? 
Yeah. 

1397
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:11,480
And, and like, he generally 
didn't have, like, he was thrown

1398
01:13:11,480 --> 01:13:13,560
because most people were like, 
oh, that's incredible. 

1399
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,440
You must be so enlightened. 
And he really didn't have an 

1400
01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:17,960
answer. 
Yeah, because who asked you 

1401
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:19,920
that? 
It's always like, oh, we don't 

1402
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:21,240
want to go. 
That's fucking weird. 

1403
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:22,400
What? 
That's awesome. 

1404
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:25,080
Yeah, I love to think. 
About that mental health that 

1405
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,840
reminds me of like the scene in 
Goodwill hunting where the guys 

1406
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:31,000
starting to be, you know, super 
smart and she's Matt Damon going

1407
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,560
over there going fuck you. 
You know, you like apples. 

1408
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,920
How do you like them apples? 
You know, she's just like, 

1409
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,800
that's so stupid. 
Like why would would you do? 

1410
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,520
That and it's also like it comes
back to safety too, like what we

1411
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,040
started guides collective. 
The challenge that we're going 

1412
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:48,280
to have this next generation of 
psychedelic use is a lot of 

1413
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,760
people like that, do it a few 
times and they're like, oh, I 

1414
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:52,760
got it all figured out. 
It's time for me to give it to 

1415
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:56,320
other people. 
And like that's fundamentally 

1416
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,240
dangerous, right? 
So like the guides that we have 

1417
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:01,000
on our network, it's you go 
through a serious screening 

1418
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:02,520
process. 
We talk to the people that 

1419
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:04,560
you've worked with. 
It's what school did you go to? 

1420
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,960
How long you've been doing it? 
How many ceremonies have you 

1421
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:08,120
run? 
Are they in groups? 

1422
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:10,600
Are they by themselves? 
What medicines do you focus on? 

1423
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:12,320
What's the education you had 
behind that medicine? 

1424
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,240
We make sure of all those things
because again, you can go out 

1425
01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,880
and have a good trip and say, 
wow, that was fun. 

1426
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,920
I want to give it to someone. 
That person has severe trauma 

1427
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:25,120
that they didn't talk about and 
all of a sudden you're both on 

1428
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:28,680
mushrooms and someone is 
freaking out and nobody knows 

1429
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,080
what to do, right. 
And that's, that's how this, 

1430
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:32,880
this whole movement goes 
backwards again. 

1431
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:36,160
So that's why we really just 
want to focus on getting the 

1432
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:40,120
right people to the right people
that can help and do the right 

1433
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:43,080
medicines and in the right doses
and in the right setting. 

1434
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,560
And yeah, it's been our our 
focus, our mission. 

1435
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,400
I love this. 
So we are able to find, so you 

1436
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:53,440
guys have a website, everything.
We'll put that down into the 

1437
01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:55,360
show notes. 
We don't have to go over all of 

1438
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,640
that. 
What's the one thing that you 

1439
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:01,240
would tell our audience of 
being? 

1440
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,480
I mean, we've we've talked about
everything kind of really in 

1441
01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:07,440
depth, but I want to be broad 
here, just kind of like a, a 

1442
01:15:07,440 --> 01:15:10,880
mental flash card for somebody. 
What's something that I need to 

1443
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:15,040
look out for and not trust in 
somebody who says, let me guide 

1444
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:21,320
you through your experience? 
So I don't think there's just 

1445
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:24,960
one thing you wanna, you wanna 
make sure that any guide you're 

1446
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:29,760
looking for is properly vetted. 
Just because they've had a 

1447
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,560
pause, like they have people 
that they've worked with well in

1448
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,000
the past, doesn't mean that 
they're going to continue or 

1449
01:15:35,000 --> 01:15:38,800
maintain an ethical standard. 
So you want to make, look, I 

1450
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,680
recommend speak to other people 
that they've worked with, but 

1451
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,200
you might also want to make sure
that there's like a criminal 

1452
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,160
background check. 
And you want to make sure that 

1453
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,440
they adhere to certain ethical 
standards, that they have a 

1454
01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:50,600
certain amount of training and 
that they have a certain amount 

1455
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:52,880
of experience and that they 
understand, you know, 

1456
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:56,840
contraindications and medical 
knowledge or that they have 

1457
01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,080
access at least to somebody with
medical knowledge. 

1458
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:02,360
Ask them what you know, what 
their protocol or practice would

1459
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:04,400
be if there's an emergency. 
Right. 

1460
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:07,320
Like the same. 
Like the same. 

1461
01:16:07,320 --> 01:16:10,520
Like we go for a second opinion 
when we're given a diagnosis 

1462
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:12,520
because we want to make sure 
that this is accurate. 

1463
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:16,400
This is equally as important. 
Ask more than one person, speak 

1464
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:18,720
to several people. 
Ask a lot of questions and there

1465
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:22,240
isn't a dumb question. 
If you're not comfortable, trust

1466
01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:24,720
yourself. 
The other thing, like their 

1467
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:28,280
intake process matters a lot. 
So if someone just goes, sure, 

1468
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:31,680
I'll give you mushrooms, let's 
do it, That's a problem. 

1469
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:35,480
Like an intake should be robust.
They should speak to you for an 

1470
01:16:35,480 --> 01:16:36,840
hour. 
They should ask you what 

1471
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:39,280
medications you're on. 
They should want to know what 

1472
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,720
you're trying to get out of it. 
They should give you like two 

1473
01:16:42,720 --> 01:16:45,640
weeks of preparation, tell you 
what your diet should be like. 

1474
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,760
There should be just a lot more 
in that intake process. 

1475
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:54,200
And the more robust that is, the
better feeling you should have 

1476
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,720
with. 
It that gives a sense of, of 

1477
01:16:56,720 --> 01:17:00,840
comfort because I, I, my mind 
goes to, I mean, my ADHD brain 

1478
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:01,880
just skipping all over the 
place. 

1479
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:04,880
But I laughed because I thought 
of this one old episode of The 

1480
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,280
Simpsons where the whole family 
goes to Duff Gardens, right? 

1481
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:11,120
Amusement park that has flowing 
beer everywhere. 

1482
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:13,120
That's, that's awesome. 
That place would stink. 

1483
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:19,920
But but Lisa falls into the 
river, and they pull her out and

1484
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:24,120
she's hallucidating. 
And there's this guy, and he's 

1485
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,560
got a lab coat on. 
And he goes, OK, she'll be fine.

1486
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,600
Just give her these, these and 
then all of these. 

1487
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,960
And it's like a handful, just a 
giant thing of pills. 

1488
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:34,880
And she goes, oh, thank you, 
doctor. 

1489
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:36,800
And he goes, oh, I'm not a 
doctor. 

1490
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,440
Yeah. 
And it was like, that's how you 

1491
01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:44,200
should eat. 
I mean, that's like, again, 

1492
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,440
that's like going to the 
doctor's office. 

1493
01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:48,760
And he's like, hey, turn around.
I have to put my finger in your 

1494
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:50,000
ass because I got to check 
something out. 

1495
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,720
And you're like, OK, And then he
like. 

1496
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:55,240
And then he comes over there and
goes, all right, Doctor will be 

1497
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:57,400
in to see you in a little bit. 
Who's that guy? 

1498
01:17:57,440 --> 01:18:01,520
I don't know what's going on 
you. 

1499
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,520
Didn't realize you were at the 
dentist the whole time. 

1500
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:04,240
What's? 
Going on. 

1501
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:06,240
Right. 
It's like a Saturday life skit 

1502
01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:09,440
where I keep telling this guy to
cough and then this other lady 

1503
01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:11,160
comes in, he goes here. 
What do you think? 

1504
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:12,920
She goes turn your head and 
cough goes again. 

1505
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,640
And then the other guy comes in.
He goes, hey man, you got to 

1506
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:17,480
come check this out. 
Go ahead, hold it over there. 

1507
01:18:17,480 --> 01:18:21,040
And he coughs and then they all 
hold it in a unison and he's 

1508
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:22,880
coughing. 
And then this guy comes in, he 

1509
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,160
goes, hey, what the hell are you
guys doing in here? 

1510
01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:29,160
They're all get out of here. 
It's up and they're like, that 

1511
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:30,640
guy's the real Doctor Who came 
in. 

1512
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:33,080
And it's just like, that's the 
way I I'm thinking about it. 

1513
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:38,120
Like, would you trust somebody 
just because they give the 

1514
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:42,320
perception that they know what 
they're talking about, that they

1515
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,480
know what they're doing? 
I think the safety part is 

1516
01:18:45,480 --> 01:18:50,240
extremely important because when
we're looking at this from a 

1517
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,400
broad scope, from so many people
being accepting and seeing this 

1518
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:58,280
now in mainstream, I mean, in 
Utah, it was just legalized for 

1519
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,000
medical use. 
And so we'll see this start to 

1520
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,920
materialize and it'll be 
interesting to see because 

1521
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:06,960
there's so many people that are 
looking for answers. 

1522
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:11,760
They go to Western medicine, 
they go to diet and try to make 

1523
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:15,640
these changes. 
But it all starts in the Gray, 

1524
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:17,680
right? 
I mean, it's, you know, every 

1525
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:21,120
other organ we have in our body 
science pretty much knows what 

1526
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:23,760
it does. 
But the brain, they have ideas 

1527
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:27,000
of what it does, but we truly 
have no idea where. 

1528
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:32,920
It's so complex and so crazy. 
It's it, it's just when you're 

1529
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:38,360
using something to be able to 
help or to experience, right? 

1530
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,200
Either it's conscious, you know 
what, what was it? 

1531
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:43,760
It was a state or a. 
Altered states or altered 

1532
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:45,480
traits? 
Yeah, altered states, altered 

1533
01:19:45,480 --> 01:19:48,920
traits, like thinking about that
and having a guy being able to 

1534
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:51,640
work with you on that. 
Like what are you seeking? 

1535
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,400
What is it that you would want? 
Like I want to experience an 

1536
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:58,600
altered state. 
OK, why instead of going cool? 

1537
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:02,280
Right. 
Yeah, it was kind of interesting

1538
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:06,160
because even when we started 
this business, like my, my 

1539
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:08,920
business before this, like I'm 
an Internet marketer, right? 

1540
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:11,400
So like even building the 
website, like, OK, everything 

1541
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,440
needs to be easy and seamless 
And the least, the least amount 

1542
01:20:14,440 --> 01:20:17,400
of questions about like thinking
of like how to sell a toaster, 

1543
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:21,440
right? 
And like in making this like if 

1544
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:24,720
you work with us, you're going 
to fill out a long form that 

1545
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:27,000
takes a little bit of time. 
If you're a guide that wants to 

1546
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,240
work with us, it's a pain in the
ass. 

1547
01:20:30,240 --> 01:20:32,480
Like you, it's, it's a lot of 
work. 

1548
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:36,000
And you know, when I stepped 
back and got out of my Internet 

1549
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:38,840
market mind, I'm like, no, this 
is, this is what we want. 

1550
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:43,160
Like it's This isn't supposed to
be easy. 

1551
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:45,920
Like it's supposed to be done 
right? 

1552
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:47,760
With intent. 
Yeah, with intent. 

1553
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:50,000
And that's really what we want 
to focus on is. 

1554
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,440
Just yeah, you don't want that 
impulse by like I know being an 

1555
01:20:52,440 --> 01:20:54,400
intermarketer Internet marketer 
for years too. 

1556
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:59,000
It's just, yeah, that's the 
goal, like less amount of words.

1557
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:03,360
Use the most potent 
psychological tactics you can to

1558
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,960
be able to influence them, to 
make them feel the FOMO. 

1559
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,680
Like this isn't a FOMO thing. 
That's not like everybody's 

1560
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,480
like, hey, you. 
Yeah, you look like you have 

1561
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:14,200
problems. 
Come here, come inside. 

1562
01:21:14,200 --> 01:21:16,280
All right, Eat these and sit 
over there. 

1563
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:18,600
Don't worry. 
Just look at the ceiling. 

1564
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:20,440
We've painted it root and 
swirly. 

1565
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,520
You're like I, I don't know if I
should be doing this course. 

1566
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:26,200
You should. 
That guy has a lab coat over 

1567
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:27,360
there. 
Just turn your head and cough 

1568
01:21:27,400 --> 01:21:29,200
turn your. 
Head and cough. 

1569
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,360
Well, it's like, it's like what 
we talked about before, like one

1570
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,680
of the funniest things we have 
with this podcast is like I 

1571
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,000
literally said to people, I'm 
like, I get out of things and I 

1572
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,960
go and they'll go, hey, you 
can't do that. 

1573
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:39,680
I'm like, that's OK. 
I have a podcast and they go, 

1574
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:44,440
OK, OK. 
So I mean it just shows that 

1575
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:46,480
people are are it's not 
gullible. 

1576
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:49,360
They just are so quick to trust 
authority. 

1577
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:51,960
Yep. 
So if you're going to have some 

1578
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:53,800
of the authority going, wait a 
minute. 

1579
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:57,840
Like, like recently, OK, Like 
I'm in the coaching world and 

1580
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:01,840
Jay Shetty, There's a huge thing
out on Jay Shetty, which is 

1581
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:05,240
funny because people have been 
saying about this for years. 

1582
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:10,080
And he takes other people's 
inspirational quotes and then 

1583
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:13,200
puts it and then puts it as he 
he said it. 

1584
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:15,440
Doesn't even change a word. 
No, he could have written the 10

1585
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:19,280
commandments, put it on a tweet 
and then said Jay Shetty gonna 

1586
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,200
be like, oh, well, I have been 
fooled for years. 

1587
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,840
Who wrote this nonsense? 
It was this guy here, clearly 

1588
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:29,120
the British man with blue eyes 
and he looks Indian and he's a 

1589
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,880
monk supposedly, but doesn't 
matter. 

1590
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:35,440
Like that's something you should
check because even though 

1591
01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:40,200
somebody could have the best 
intentions, have a skill set if 

1592
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:45,600
you will, they still should be 
considered more taking this on 

1593
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:50,320
a, dare I say a professional 
level because these people are 

1594
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:52,400
looking for that. 
They don't want to have this 

1595
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:54,680
like one experience. 
I heard of this guy. 

1596
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:56,680
I mean, he said it was a very 
beautiful experience, but I 

1597
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:57,880
could only imagine it'd be 
weird. 

1598
01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:02,880
I think he's like ACPA and he 
was very LDS and he was growing 

1599
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:05,560
it in his office. 
And then one day he just locked 

1600
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:11,480
his door and did 5G and he 
stripped himself naked, got 

1601
01:23:11,480 --> 01:23:13,280
underneath the blanket and 
stayed there for the next 4 

1602
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:17,160
hours. 
And he was like, and he went 

1603
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:20,920
through a lot of childhood 
trauma in that time and came out

1604
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:24,600
just like, oh, and his biggest 
fear, it wasn't even the 

1605
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:28,640
childhood trauma. 
I can't tell my wife, I can't 

1606
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:33,040
tell my kids. 
They would think so low of me. 

1607
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:35,640
And it's, it's just like you 
said with your sister and your 

1608
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:41,200
mom, you're like, oh, we could 
be connected so much more and 

1609
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:44,280
you would understand. 
You would understand. 

1610
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:47,760
And that's that that's the that 
allure to it. 

1611
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:51,960
It's this this mirage that's in 
the in the in the far distance. 

1612
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,160
You're going. 
OK, well, yeah, maybe I could 

1613
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:56,240
touch it, but that sounds scary.
Yeah. 

1614
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:58,720
It, it materializes. 
It becomes real. 

1615
01:23:59,960 --> 01:24:02,040
Yeah. 
This is awesome. 

1616
01:24:02,280 --> 01:24:04,520
This has been great. 
This has been fantastic. 

1617
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:06,400
Thanks for coming on the show 
you guys. 

1618
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:08,760
It was the pleasure was all ours
guys. 

1619
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,920
The the second I met you, Justin
was like, oh, I love him. 

1620
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:14,200
I love him. 
We shall be friends. 

1621
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,880
Yes. 
So yeah, it was it was awesome 

1622
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,280
coming out here. 
Well, and, and we appreciate you

1623
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:21,400
guys coming out. 
We'll make sure to put all the 

1624
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:25,320
links over there. 
If you are looking to try 

1625
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:28,880
psychedelics, if you're 
interested in what psychedelics 

1626
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:33,440
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looking for a guide, you guys go

1627
01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:35,440
down there. 
Click on the link to be able to 

1628
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:38,520
get in touch with these amazing 
individuals. 

1629
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:42,320
And who knows, maybe your next 
psychedelic journey will be the 

1630
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:46,200
best you've ever experienced. 
Brandon, parting words. 

1631
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:50,720
Guys, everyone at Home Pay 
Transporters, we love you guys. 

1632
01:24:50,960 --> 01:24:54,960
Thanks so much for tuning in. 
As always, see you next week.