Welcome to cannabis school. I'm your host Jessie Angeles and
I'm Brandon Elder and we're here to talk to you about everything
pertaining to cannabis from debate flower Edibles strains
and everything in between. So there I was driving back from
Colorado, my many, many many, many moons ago and my friend and
I had just gone to a dispensary and picked up Edibles.
They were one of her and Edibles 10 milligrams apiece and I had a
decent decent tolerance of time. And popped one, just beginning
of the drive started cruising back.
Then about two, two and a half hours, didn't feel anything.
So my body's like, yeah, you have a really high tolerance,
you have a crazy high metabolism, just take two more
like, okay, yeah, 10. So I 10 milligrams and me and
took two more and my buddy was like, you know, it's been a long
drive. I'm gonna take a nap.
Okay, yeah, yeah. That's totally fine.
I'm going to keep cruising Cat cruising about an hour hour and
a half later, my arms start getting a little longer steering
wheel, gets a little further away, right?
Start spilling a little bit more like I'm in a video game and all
of a sudden all of these Edibles kick in all at once felt like I
was playing Jedi space travel going through the canyon where
it's pitched Black nothing but light flurries of snow at me,
cruising down the road, just nothing existed, but the
windshield in front of me. And the music finally, like an
hour and a half after that, my buddy wakes up and stretching.
It was good nap. I smack him.
Was he? You little shit?
They all kicked in and he just busts out laughing.
That's not funny. I, you know, and that's our
topic today is Edibles. Yeah, we got a 101.
Today, we're going to talk about Edibles.
We're going to go into the effects.
Why? You felt what you felt?
Why it took so long to kick in, I know we've touched on it in
many different episodes but today, you know, we're going to
go a little bit deeper than surface level and being able to
understand Edibles over there. So I got to ask you and this
helps out everybody's listening. Why did it take?
So friggin long for it to kick in?
Yeah. So when you take a edible, it
doesn't go directly into your bloodstream like when you use a
vape or a like smoking and Joint.
Or anything like that. It's more of a immediate
reaction. When you do that, when you take
an edible, it has to be digested through your stomach.
It has to get past your liver and then at that point is when
you start feeling it because when it's processing, so it
takes anywhere from 30 minutes to three hours depending on your
body type, depending on if you have food in your system,
depending on your metabolism on a various Wide range on if it's
nano THC, or if it's just like regular THC.
So it really truly depends on a myriad of factors.
So I know that when we smoke cannabis, it turns into its
Delta 9. So it goes from thca, and to
THC, which is, you know, that acid type which is you could eat
the actual flower itself and all you're going to do is get the
health benefits of actually having some greens and maybe Get
some of the CBD to could be inside of that cannabis.
But you're not going to get the psychoactive effects.
Yeah. So what you when you need it, it
goes in there. I've heard that it's like five
times stronger. The Cannabis in your system than
it is when you smoke it. It's actually four times straw,
okay? I probably heard that on Joe
Rogan or something. All right, yeah, you got me?
Yeah, I'm a little bit. Yeah, I mean but it turned what
does it turn into when it processes?
Is, I mean, it is it through the liver, what does it go through?
And what does it turn into? Yeah, so when you take an
edible, it actually turns into 11 hydroxy THC.
So it's processed as something different.
And that is four times stronger than the thca or THC that you
are feeling. It's actually th see cousin thca
is in the Raw plant which they're still benefits from, but
when you D carb it not it actually drops the a the acidic.
Chemical compound and just turns to the Delta 9 THC, okay?
That makes sense. So that's why it's so strong
when it goes through because it is it because it takes so long
to get activated because it spreads throughout your whole
body. And but I don't know, I mean
that as you have so strangely, yeah, just a social process
through there and then once it hits to your liver and that's
when it's actually by that point, it's probably the
chemical breakdown of your body or everything else that you have
this. Eleven hydroxy THC in your
system. So this is in for, I mean, as
many people get into cannabis thick on, you know what, I just
want to take the most easy way to take an ago and edibles, but
I don't know. I almost would caution that
based on my experiences with Edibles, like, unless their
craft Edibles that have been dosed out to really small
amounts that they could grow into, right?
Like if they're like, well, I mean, does this would be
insanely small? But if you had like, Like one
milligram kind of gummy bears and you could eat like five of
them, then you would be able to do sit properly and that would
be pretty difficult to do. It is I actually do some, my
girlfriend down to half mg on her Edibles recently.
Is that enough to go down to that low?
No, no, no. I mean is it effective for her?
Yeah, she uses it more for like anxiety and cramps and stuff.
So she'll use CBD. But she has such a low tolerance
for th See that she took a break from Edibles or anything like
that and came back into it. We tried one milligram and even
that was a little time like sighs.
Yeah. So what would that be like?
I'm like I would feel like the richest man holding an ounce of
flour in my hand. It would last a lifetime it
would last forever. Yeah, so I can only imagine but
it's doable but it is because it is more potent and it lasts
longer Or when you take an edible, usually, the last three,
four, five, six hours, depending on your head, those and those
are amazing. You're able to have where and,
and that's the thing to you. It's a mixed bag.
You know, when you smoking cannabis, whether it's through a
vapor or you're actually having flower, you've got kind of like
a 30 minutes. If you've been using quite a bit
a day to, you know, you get an hour hour and a half out of out
of your high. But at the same time, it's just
a different feel and when you smoke it's like okay, I've got
about this much time, but when you eat it, it varies, it can go
for a few hours. It could go for six hours and
just a really intense High. I was telling you about that.
I had lunch with an old friend. I grew up with literally the
only one of the people that I still talk to this day that I
was a kid with and He talked about, he said, well my
girlfriend slipped me. Something like she slipped.
You something your girlfriend's Bill Cosby.
I'll go with. You have this.
And would you like to look at my pudding pops?
Right? And know, as like she slipped
you something? Or she gave you something?
He said well she gave me something but she put something
in it. My I don't think she's that
knowledgeable and creating shit and he's like, well it was fine.
I took it, nothing happened. I was like, oh, this sucks and I
just started laughing and he was like, very upset.
Like, no, that was one of the worst experience ever had.
I'm like, yeah, she won. Gave you something that she knew
nothing about. She didn't even, I mean, what
was the dose? And what, who made it, who did
he get it from dispensary? What dispensary, what's the
brand? I want to look at the reviews
because that's easier from difference from being able to
have a store by edible is a bit dangerous because if you don't
know if, you don't have experience with cannabis, You
could be in for a really bad experience.
My brother to this day will not touch Edibles, they terrify him,
they give him anxiety. If I bring them out.
Maybe you want one, bro, what is it?
He's about to put it in my love, my love, 15 mg, gummy right
there. Fuck dude enroll touching that
like, whoa, enemies, still to this day.
That that didn't sites like PTSD from having too much.
I've been there. We had that One night, we were
experimenting with Keefe and Mira seen dropping it of Greg
Lee and her paintings. Holy.
Yeah. And it all kicked in and hour
later after I'd had an edible like three hours before that and
I smoked a bunch with you and I'm driving home.
Just like he said, arm start, stretching out.
You know, it's funny too. Is that when I was driving home
it was snowing too. Yeah, and I've got the window
down with the cold air try and make sure to remember to breathe
and then I've got the heater on blast pointing right at my face.
So I got it was the but it was the only thing to keep me kind
of in it. Keep coherent.
Yeah. See I don't know if I would have
enjoyed having a conversation with someone through that whole
point. But all I had was focused stereo
with my favorite Tunes, with an amazing sound system and a seat,
warmer on my back cold air blowing on my face and legit.
Nothing existed. Except were out in front of me.
It felt like playing a video game.
You know guys brain is a bit of a superhero and using cannabis
because only somebody like him pity that much and going.
Yeah. It was a it was a fun
experience. Meanwhile me over there.
I would have that face looking like I was like a cast member of
Betelgeuse like the it was terrifying, but anyways beyond
that one. Let's go into kind of breaking
down Edibles from A really rough kind to a more refined kind
right. So what I'm talking about is
using Straight flour in baked goods because that's a common
thing people making brownies cookies.
I don't know if anybody would make an apple pie that would be
ridiculous. But you know thinking about
brownies what's a process that I would need to go through to and
I don't have anything else other than I've got.
Flour. The brownie, mix, an oven and
time. What I mean, is it just straight
up, grind it up and toss it in there and mix it in.
So, it depends know. Some people will make it that
way because of the movies. Do that.
Yeah. Or someone who doesn't know what
they're doing, and you'll get a subpar product, definitely.
So you'll still be able to feel the effects of euphoria.
You will get some high. But you're not D carving at the
same, you're not activating it the same, it's not prepped, wait
a minute. Okay, Saudi carb.
What is D carving? So taking that your flower has
whether it's CBD flower or THC, has that THC?
A that acidic? The end runs those not activists
so it's not activated, you don't get high from when you bake it,
you D carbonate you are dropping that a the at acidic thing and
you are activating that Component in THC, which causes
you for it. So I just bake it, put in the
oven, put it in a rack and then just toast it, what is there, a
certain temperature? It needs to be for some period
of time? You'll want to not just put like
a nugget in there, you, of course, want to grind it up
because you want to evenly dispersed on.
Like, if you don't want your house to stink, you can do it in
a mason jar because feel it in a mason jar, put it in your oven,
after you've ground it up, you put it about to 49 to 40.
For 45 minutes, I will activate your flower.
That's a pretty specific time. Why is it 45 minutes?
Is that just what you've learned or if you do pass to Pike
certain amount of time, you actually degrade the THC and
turn it into th cpv, which is great.
It's more of an anti-inflammatory compound, it's
more useful for sleep aid and it's an appetite suppressant and
it's an appetite suppressant, but it's not the Feeling most
people will get with an edible, right?
So it will be like, it's great. If you want Sleepytime ones,
like end of the night, you're taking one of those.
You don't want Munchies before you go to bed.
You just take one of those. I'll help you fall asleep.
Hope you stay asleep. And so, that's cool.
So if I was somebody saying, you know, I want to develop
something. I want to make something that
has CB and properties to it from my flower.
I could be able to just let it go a little longer as or sure.
Certain period of time, I need to be able to put into them.
So depending on whether you're going from ith CV or THC, to th
see, be or CBD to CBN, usually there's times and temperatures
that you can do it on and CBD will be different than THC.
Okay? So with CBD, it is a little bit
lower. You actually want to decrypt
around 230, instead of 240 but you'd still For about 45 minutes
and that'll activate it. And then from there, you can
technically eat that activated flower.
Yeah, I've done it before. It's not great tasting, but you
truly can accomplish a high front.
Wow. So if you're really desperate
for your, or a hardcore vegan, you're like I don't eat any of
the other. I don't eat chocolate only gummy
bears as gluten in it. He'll just going to do this
shit. Straight like it sweet.
He's the spoon. You should at least Infuse it
and Doyle strain on the flower and use it as a teacher.
Yeah, exactly. No.
And Okay cool. So now I can take the activated
flour and now I can put that into like a brownie mix.
I wouldn't even do that yet. Okay, so what you do, you have
this activated flower. You are to infuse that into a
fat. Why?
Because THC Two fat molecules it.
So that's why I, like, when people get pissed test, if
they're consuming it consistently, it stays within
the fat cells of the body. Yep.
And so it can stay up to 30 days for someone who uses like me.
Yeah, it, if you're an employer out there who still testing
people for cannabis, what the hell are you doing?
I'm like, seriously her else. Get with the program.
Yeah, people drink. Yeah.
I mean, the people are drinking in their offices and what the
hell, get with the program but of course, you ain't, if you've
got like a really like Nice Business Place.
You definitely don't want your your whole office smelling like
a like a bong. It's true.
Kind of like, you don't want your people smelling like
alcohol at work. Yes.
So the same listen learn right. Yeah.
Okay, so we Infuse it into a fat so we can do it.
Butter, would that mean that I could put it in any type of oil,
you can? Yeah, I have coconut oil, MCT
oil, olive oil that I use regularly all infused in rows.
And then, of course, Butters depending on what you're doing,
cool. Okay, so now I have it infused
into a butter. So recipe calls for like an oil
or butter, then I can just use that.
So I just throw it in there and it's good.
You'll put it back in the oven at the same temperature, okay?
For another 30 minutes, give the time for the oil to infuse, the
canvas, like the cannabinoids, the THC, the CBD, whatever it
is, that you're infusing. And then at that point, you can
choose to leave the flower product in if What you want?
That leaves it, a lot greener, it has a lot more texture.
And of course, you're going to be chewing on some crunchy
fabric, that's where you can strain that out and have a
cleaner product and still use that details.
Yeah. So at that point, once you've
been fused at, then you can take that oil infusion and mix it
into your brownies. Yeah, most brownies of course, I
think are baked like 400. Yeah, you don't want to bake
your canister absent that high because it will Burn it changes,
the chemical composition. You want to actually keep it a
lower temperature so just cook it longer.
So just do it lower for longer instead of that high with a
brownie. I just decrease your temperature
and increase your time, that's funny because most of the time
you would think that I'll just follow the instructions and
that's why people will. Just because I've seen people do
that just the raw flour into the brownie.
Mix with my bro, and then they mix it up and they can eat the
whole pan and then get a little high.
Yeah. I mean eventually they will but
it's like an inconsistency because of the depth of where
the Cannabis is and the mixture. If it's a surface it's going to
be activated faster. If it's the bottom maybe it'll
get activated just as quickly but in the middle you know?
I mean so you're saying that having infused pancakes would
probably not be a good idea. I would love him.
These pancakes. You could do that with any oil
probably do like maple syrup. Yeah, I would probably Infuse my
syrup. Yeah, I do make egg sometimes.
In the morning, I'll just make my eggs.
I have a thing of infused, olive oil, and if I want to have an
edible breakfast, I cook. Whatever I'm using with my index
toxin later until you can deficit.
So that would be more for an advanced user of cannabis
wouldn't recommend using Noah Bizarro.
Okay, so we've gone from baked goods.
This is how I got to get ready for baked goods and you've gone
through the process of how to create the Infused oil, butter
Etc, to make sure that you have something that is your Baseline.
So now you can use that into almost anything, right?
And and here's where I'll take because I've gotten really into
gummies lately and make my own, you know, the process Brandon
can has created many different types of stronger, teachers of
oils to lower doses, depending upon your flavor.
I've used that one and of made gummies and I'll go through the
process real quickly here but it's using parts of juice and
I've experimented a lot of different ones parts of gelatin
unflavored gelatin and then a Jell-O Mix and then going
through a process like with a double boiler it seems lengthy
but I mean you've tasted the Edibles that I've created so far
see if you're tasting yeah even your first ones were good but
Yeah, the this one's way better. Yeah, it's come a long way.
Yeah. And it's great because it's the
same thing. I'll be in the reason why you
create Edibles is because maybe I don't know.
I mean, I'm almost pointing to people are like a religiously.
I cannot smoke because of my religion, says, I cannot smoke
dancing about eating these delicious dinosaur.
Gummy bears. Like a dinosaur.
Gummy sorry. Gummy bears, diagram, take those
flakes down vitamins, right? Well, we even talked about that
before be Awesome to have like because you can get like a
silicone silicone mold and be able to create your mixture and
then pour it into each mold and they sell these gummy bear ones.
And I was thinking it would be really awesome if you do like
half gram gummy bears, each one of those and a whole tray of
like a hundred of them. Make like, 200 of, that's a
snack. See a handful before you going
to watch a movie like within an hour, then you start watching
the movie than halfway through going.
Unity, don't eat the rest of that bag.
By the end of it, you are so high.
Even if the movie was Battlefield Earth, you'd be
like, no, I really appreciated the message that the name of the
movie, it was pretty good. I'm going to think about that,
but that's funny Ronelle Hubbard.
He had he figured something out. He did, he created this
god-awful book and it turned into a movie, I don't know.
But on enough edibles. It's an oscar-worthy.
Yeah, right bravo bravo. Yeah, absolutely.
So you got Edibles and no one that we've done stuff in the
past using with flour and fused in there, we met chocolates.
Yeah. Dark chocolate.
Ghirardelli is dark. Chocolate is perfect at masking
the flavor flower. Yeah, it's tasty.
It is tasty. Was it like six percent cacao?
Because we done milk chocolate. Yeah, it's not as good now.
It's really stinky. One thing to remember when
creating a doubles is Refrigeration at first, now the
hard thing with the remember we Brandon, I got real like excited
one time we had. How much did we have?
We made a lot. They made three 300.
No 400-plus chocolate chocolate and they were small and they
weren't low dose either. We we literally I think we took
like five hours making these He's yeah.
And I mean we were pretty blazed already by the end.
Yeah. Because we kept tasting them but
we were smoking between waiting for him to harden but they don't
keep it room temperature. Yeah, that's what it's good they
was really I mean they're delicious, let me wrong and we
tried a lot of things caramel in there with some sea salt in it
and you get the milk chocolate one.
We tried almost everything with it and it never was as good
unless it was dark chocolate. Angry in the bats and the
chocolate were really good too, because it's almost like a
double fat. And, and that's something that I
do. I don't know if it's
scientifically backed, but I like to have a little bit of
fat, like maybe something with butter in it, or, you know,
anything, like even like whole milk because I'm a weirdo and
eating fatter taking it when you take your edible.
Yeah, eating the fat because it could be more fats to it
attached to. Is it goes to your system,
right? And it's going to process there
with enough carbohydrates into your system.
You could even do. I like I've totally done this.
I've taken one dropper, put it into my protein, shake in the
morning and then in an hour, I got ready, went to the gym and I
had one of the best workouts I've ever had.
I continuously do that? I, I regret going to the gym if
I am not elevated. I totally because I get the best
workout. Love it.
But an edible is so much nicer especially when you're trying to
plan out your day. Oh yeah.
If you Got Saturday shit going on.
You've got a honey-do list or you got just your house is a
mess because you're young, and you don't give a shit.
Dude, even animal the morning, go get yourself, some
cornflakes, watch some TV, and when it kicks in start cleaning,
because it turns almost any activity into the most chill
activity. So okay, so chocolates, we've
done the chocolates. What's you talked about infusing
oil and cooking with it. Oh yeah, it's been your
experiences. Is this temperature plays a lot
into it? It definitely has.
Yeah, I have to look because I've done Infuse dinners where
I've had friends over and create an edible experience.
We do a Paint Nite or play games or whatever, and a good portion
of the meal is infused. So I have to be aware of what
I'm cooking. So you measure Er, every
teaspoon tips, I have two ghosts, everyone's differently
because everyone has a different tolerance.
There's no way I can do enough all the way across the board,
toasting. So a lot of it is sauces
dressings that I am infusing now or like I did infused mashed
potatoes on a friendsgiving thing.
And that one, I injected the butter in at the end.
Oh, so specific dose for it. Okay.
So you were able, I mean Now that's a tougher one, right?
When you're creating a dish, such as bringing, the mashed
potatoes would be pretty difficult to Dos.
Such a large batch would is with that.
Be a fair assumption because you're not getting them like,
hey, I enjoyed that, you know, scoop of mashed potatoes, that's
20 milligrams of THC. Oh totally, yeah, I I have a
dosed out as hey, you have 5 mg here.
You have seven milligrams here. You have three of here.
I'm bringing you 20 milligrams of CBD here, but I'm I'm asking
before like hey I need to know everyone's tolerance.
So I'm dosing out. Okay.
And it would be easy to do it like in a in a batch you still
could if you have a close enough range and tolerances Mike with
the thing of mashed potatoes, you can Infuse an entire pot as
long as you know. Hey, I'm putting you'd have
thousand milligrams in this exact pot.
Each scoop is 25, like, so you have to have an exact
measurement of scoop, okay? But then, you know, hey,
everything is it's really just dosing.
It's measuring out. Hey, I've got this many doses in
here. I'm putting in this, if I break
down this amount into this, how managers that do seem like?
That's way too high. Okay, I have to do is wait low,
so that is something to always be aware with Edibles because
they do last longer. They feel so different than just
smoking or vaping that it's good to wait and it's good to do
slower than you would think you might need to.
Yeah, it is. If using a meal, I would
consider that a very Advanced Consumer consuming cannabis but
it reminds me of our guests. We had chair.
Yeah, sow and reap and they would go through and ask every
single person they would do like one part of the dinner, not
Infuse the middle of salad with infused olive oil dressing,
which is I've got to do. Yeah, I've made a balsamic
vinegar at one that I did it with last time I made.
Bruschetta and that was infused. I've done pastas that are
infused. I've done.
Yeah, it's a charity. Has a whole nother level of
that. They take to, there's like a
Michelin star chef and I'm just like bummy home.
Chef, like, in his kitchen, like I know you guys will get high.
I'll do show you what do you know, I really enjoy cooking.
I really love the process but now, I mean, even though we
should get together, take a lot of my recipes and your recipes.
And Edibles. Hey would you think if we
created cannabis School cookbook and we put in our own recipes
based upon meals and then we do some out and then we actually
can tell you the experience that you can get in the book if you
like it. Let us know, email us and we'll
have something Below in the comments that you can submit.
Yeah, we'll set up like a patron or something like that.
Just so we can get the book made and get out there kind of like
that story that guy he put up on I think it was, I'm GoFundMe or
something like that and he goes, yeah, I'm going to make a book
about mashed potatoes, and then he made a book, it was
hilarious, but he made, I mean it, like 20,000 bucks.
Why do you aiways? Yeah, this is awesome.
You want to learn. So, going from the first listen,
back through this episode figure out where you should start with
animals, we will put a dosing calculator and The notes as
well. There's a bunch of them online
that you can calculate like, hey, here's the starting
percentage of my flower here is, you know, the weight in grams
and you can calculate okay this is this many milligrams.
So I know this is how much I'm dosing if you don't know what
your flower is dosed out. Like, you don't know the
percentage your clothes, if you're about 200 mg of G of
flour but it can vary depending on strain.
Potency and all of that, but you're pretty good.
Guesstimate, if you're about 200 milligrams for 1 gram, so break
that down calculate it out if you need to, but it's always
better to be exact if ya, an experiment.
I mean, in make sure to always have CBD on hand, especially in
a teacher form, high-grade, quality will be sharing some
other stuff. We'll talk about some seedy
related products that we've been able to find.
It just an absolutely amazing and very different ways that you
can use. Them your life.
But they're going to be fantastic.
We're going to try them. I mean we have tried them.
We're going to use them on a tolerance break.
Yeah it's going to be. Yeah, I don't have but what but
hey I mean you know, as long as we have this product and and the
way that it's extracted, the CDs extracted is by far, one of the
best things that we've consumed so far.
I would say personally and I tried a lot and I do a lot of
hunting feel like fake sauce. Oh yeah.
There's some carbon CBD. A out there for sure.
Yeah, it's good stuff. Anyways guys, thank you so much.
Oh guys. Girls non-binary, he/she,
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much. Talk to you later.