I'm Brandon. And I'm.
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We wanted to bring you here today because you're one of the
most chill Utah bud tenders I've ever met.
Yeah, dude, because. Because it's a different feel
and, and what I mean by that is I go to just we've we've gone
dispensaries everywhere and there's a certain type of bud
tender that you meet that you're like, man, this is a perfect
person. Like when I go there and you're
not there, I, I'm like, fuck, who do I go to?
Because I, you're my guy, right? I, I, if we were like mobsters
in like Chicago's over there, like, yeah, yeah.
I only eat if Tommy's over there behind the grill and they're
like, you know, he's out today, then I don't fucking eat here.
I mean, that that's exactly how I'm thinking.
And that's where I'm like, all right, I guess so.
And if I see they're new, I'm like, Oh no.
I. Got the training and I'm like
fuck, I'm going to ask you questions.
I just want to. But even then, always at the
dispensary you work at. I don't see that.
I don't get that same feel that I get when I go into a Cure
Leaf. I've shit on Cure Leaf quite a
few times in here. Yeah.
So you were saying it's corporate cannabis.
What's corporate cannabis? Just, you know, it's, it's like
the big pharma of cannabis. They're trying to profit off of
it from every angle they possibly can and.
They don't care who they hire on that one.
They don't care about the patients, they just care about
profits selling dry moldy cannabis and for exorbitant
prices. Have we seen mold in Utah flower
recently? Putting one of the biggest names
in Utah's cannabis industry on blast.
I personally know people who have done the cultivation for
and they've told me that every single one of their plants has
mold in them and that they just tell them to turn around it.
In. Wow.
That's horrible. I don't think I've actually
smoked any of wholesome flour. Oh, cool thing about this bong.
Yeah, we didn't tell you. George Jetson's SO.
Just leave the bongs. You pull the ball out, but do
you see the white part? It pushes down and that's how
you and that. Clears it.
It's way smoother than what you just did.
It's crazy. Oh, I'm still rolling a little.
That nice 'cause it's a good force, are we?
Yeah. We're rolling.
Are we? Do we have enough We need to
reload? The Gelato face off one.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. He might be most recent.
Yeah, Gelato face off is so good.
Oh, that's a little nice stash box.
Who makes that one? I got it for $13 at Harbor
Freight Co Get the. Fuck out of.
Here is it like smell proof? I mean I just use it for my peak
so all the all the jars are already smell proof.
Yeah, so you just cut in? It did hold.
Everything. I've got an ISO jar in here,
I've got my wax, I've got my Q-tips, I've got my rig.
Dude, we'll have to get a shot of that.
We'll take some images of that and we'll show everybody like
your rig. Is that cool?
Because that's really cool idea because.
Yeah. Well, he was telling us about it
right before because you do dry hits with your dab rig.
You wanted to tell us a little bit more about what you found
the reason like. Totally.
So I'll just I'll say what I said to y'all and then go a
little further. So with with concentrate
specifically, when you hit your cannabis through water, you lose
terpenes just. You were saying it's water
soluble. What terpenes are water soluble?
So you lose them when you hit them through water.
So when you take a dry top, especially with something like a
concentrate where that terpene content is much higher, you're
losing so much of that effect just by hitting it through
water. So when you're hitting it dry,
you're keeping all those terpenes in your hit and into
your lungs. And I feel like it just gives me
a much more robust, potent full body medicated effect versus
just like a high. Well, you get the entourage
effects versus stripping of probably even more cannabinoids.
Exactly. Because if you're washing it,
you're pulling out stuff, you know, even though you might get
carcinogens that it's clearing out if you're well, maybe not
with, you know, your concentrate hopefully, but at least with
your flour, you know, maybe there's carcinogens when you
burn it, but same thing your terpenes if they're going
through that. Totally.
Be way different. Absolutely.
So how's that pull though? Is it?
Is it harsh? No, it's perfect.
I I even find it to be smoother than water most of the time.
A lot of it's going to come down to what you're dabbing in terms
of smoothness honestly. But I I prefer to take my dabs
lower anyway. Like 450 is about the perfect
spot for me. Wow.
For rosin, at least for resins, I'll go up to about 475, but
even with water I'd hit it at like 465.
I feel like the water's it agitates my throat for some
reason. Interesting.
Yeah, I find that same thing like every once in a while, like
I'm just like, like that. It's like you found out you were
snoring the night before because your throat's a little sore.
That's how it feels. Like that's the first time.
Like when I cough through that, that makes a lot of sense.
Like I don't cough as much with a bong as I do with that cause
I've got that Utilian, which I love that it's a awesome little
dab rig. I was going to bring it.
Fuck, I was going to show you, dude.
But I will pull that out again. Let's let's kind of talk about
that. I mean, you know, it's is an
indirect commercial for Puff Co. But I'll tell you, man, it's
like really cool. Pull it out, man.
What's so? OK this a lot.
Of jar in my hot knife. Yeah, then let's let's see that
the hot knife. OK so tell me about hot knives.
Like is it hype or is it help? I love it.
OK, why? So I pretty much only dab
batters and that's a really sticky substance.
I don't want to just wipe it on the inside of my bowl and lose,
you know, 25% of it on my dabber versus with a hot knife.
I just go up in there, drop it right in.
I mean, I'll show you all. Dude, that's.
Cool, this is a zeal your face from sugar Magnolia farms.
Oh, it's the one you were telling me about.
Is that a local grow? No.
OK, no, this is from a a hash bash in California.
Oh hell yeah. Yeah.
So how long have you been in cannabis then?
Yeah, I've been in cannabis for a year, but that's just kind of
like a, you know, somebody type. As a consumer or just like I've?
Been consuming since I was like 13.
Oh shit, so. Yeah.
And are you a local in Utah? I grew up in Texas.
You grew up in Texas. Where in Texas?
Dallas, TX. Get the fuck out of here.
What the hell brought you here? I don't like Texas and I do like
mountains. Yeah, that's.
True, yeah. I mean it's cool to have
different seasons and not just flat.
Yeah, and every time going down to Texas, it's like you can look
and see as far as your ILC and you're like, oh shit.
Yeah, it's, I don't know. I that's that's really cool.
So you've been smoking since you're 13.
So what's been your, I mean, I know you gradually progressed.
I mean, I could tell you my progression, but what was yours?
And you started out with flour, of course.
I remember smoking joints in my bathroom the very first thing.
Those are still stinky though. Like joints I feel like are a
really brutal way to start. Dude, I got to what?
About a month in, yeah. Yeah, dude, my son, like if my
if I wasn't involved in cannabis, my wife would think it
was a skunk outside, but she was downstairs just a little while.
That's fantastic. That's cool.
Isn't that really nifty? Yeah.
Oh, that's so much better than wiping it off.
How fast does it cool off? Pretty much immediately, I mean.
Oh OK, my thing I just wondered like you know how long till you
can scoop a new dab or it's like really hot and hard to scoop it
on it or that. Another right now if I want.
It that's really cool, huh I'll. I'll heat this up for you all.
Oh, so the. App 'cause if you do the app you
can get specific temperature based.
So versus I think it's just pre head pre.
That's that heat. Yeah, with the normal peak it's
4 preset heat settings and with this one I have full custom
temperature control from 400 to 600°.
Oh, that's fantastic. Dude, yeah, that's way cool.
I do wish I had that part of it because the doctor dabber
switched. Maybe mine's the oldest one to
or older one. I love how it lights up too.
Yeah. Brandon.
Oh, wait here. Hold on, I'll have Brandon.
I. Forgot to put it's her.
That's OK. Gotta love those turpros.
So you've been bud tending then or a year?
About a year then, did you? OK.
Did you start at Dragonfly? Yes, I did.
Oh, cool. Yeah, that's awesome.
Yeah. So what's that I mean?
Was that your first introduction into the cannabis industry?
Yes. OK, I'm.
Only 21 years old, so I've. Been able to be.
In the cannabis industry for about 11 months at this point.
I turned 22 in October. That's wild.
I mean, I got in just about as soon as I possibly could.
I got my Med card the morning of my 21st birthday and then
applied to Dragonfly about two months later.
Oh yeah, How was that process? How was that like?
It was, I mean, it was definitely interesting.
Utah's got some really, you know, weird rules, obviously
when it comes to. What were some of the weirdest
things you ran into in your application process?
Just. I mean, I figure a background
check would probably be pretty standard anywhere when you're
working with cannabis because it is still federally illegal.
But I mean, I don't know. I've only ever worked in the
cannabis industry in Utah. But yeah, it was the first job
I've ever had to get fingerprinted for.
First job I've ever had to get a background test for.
Just learning a lot of like the the interesting terminology like
dispensary. I mean sorry pharmacy over
dispensary cus patient over customer.
Interesting. OK, Yeah.
And then learning all of Utah's weird laws like.
You would know that. I mean, you happened.
Law. The what?
The the vapor law, you can't. No flame to flour, Yeah.
And what's the, do you know the meaning behind that or I mean?
As as far as I know it's just they don't want you first
inhaling smoke. Yeah.
So they're trying to protect us. Yeah, By being ridiculous.
Vibrate. Yeah, it'll vibrate when it's
ready. I was like I know some vibrate
some just change color to like a certain color.
You know, that sounds like a good night right there.
Some vibrate, some change colors.
I feel like I'm playing PlayStation over here, right?
Yeah, playing with something, that's for sure.
Just the tip. Just the tip, just how that's
cool. Got him.
I. I'm a coffer through and
through. I cough my lungs out.
Especially with. That's a really nice flavor.
Oh, it's very tasty. Oh.
That's one of the things that I love about good concentrates
like the Tropicana cherries that we did.
Oh my gosh, that tasted like Hawaiian punch.
Amazing. And that's the cool thing.
Like, you know, currently right now, I mean, we're we're going
to do a review on it, but apples and bananas have you partaken.
I haven't yet. Dude, I'm going to tell you
right now that that shit is awesome because when you're
smoking it through a vaporizer, you taste Red Delicious apples,
and then about halfway through you're tasting bananas.
That's awesome. I get the banana on the nose for
sure. Oh yeah, have you?
Have you had any of the Apple Fritter?
No, yeah. I have some Apple fritter with
me and I feel like, you know, you really get those sentiment
Apple notes. Oh, what?
Flower even that's like. Apple fritters.
That's where it's. At.
Yeah, get the apples 'cause that that's, I mean, I and there's
something about that, like it's not it just kind of gives my
brain like, yeah, dude, we're just going to hang.
We're just going to hang. You know, I don't got to get
shit done. I got to do any of that.
I just need to get going out deep.
Brandon, he is just like you and he's just like very meticulous.
Yeah. No, just see, I I usually am,
especially with my, I got a Utilian 8.
It's pretty cool. It's funny because they have
this magnetic sleeve. Yeah.
And it's about. Yeah, and it's a decent size
strength of that one. But what I used to do, I was go
and smoke in my garage in my last house and then I would set
it down on my wife's car. And then I I put it on the hood
and I thought it was going to slide off and I went to go catch
it and it just punk. I'm like, that's cool.
Yeah. So just like but I like that
little button thing at the top. I do too.
That's I think. It's so interesting.
Cool. It's called the joystick cap.
No. For obvious reason.
Yeah, it feels like an analog stick.
The top to help the air flow and stuff.
Yeah. Wow, that's the funniest thing.
Dude, the hot knife sounds like a really cool toy.
I would love that. That's so cool.
Do you want to do it? No, no, no, no, no, no.
I'm. I'm good.
I'm feeling it right now. That was a nice addition.
That's a nice addition. What?
Strain. Was that again?
Zeal your face to cross those Skittles and face off OG.
Oh hell yeah, that's cool. We're more face off.
Yeah, we're doing. Gelato face off, which is face
off OG and Gelato Yeah it. Pairs.
Nicely. Then yeah, it pairs really well.
That's a cool thing too, adding a familiar terpene profile into
that. That was on the last one we just
smoked. That's.
Two face offs. Yeah, two face offs.
Every time I hear Face Off I think of that Nick Cage movie
with John Travolta. I don't know if I saw.
It it's the dumbest movie ever, but back then you're like, shit,
that could happen. This is like the late 90.
No, this is like 96. And it's just hilarious.
Yeah, just like that. And.
Got him. That was a that was a decent
sized hit my friend. So have you been dabbing for a
while? Is that your preferred?
Currently, yes. Currently, yeah.
The majority of my life I've just consumed flour just cause
it's been what's easiest, most inexpensive.
Yeah. But you know, recently I've
become more of a connoisseur, I would say, and really enjoying
the flavor. You get a lot sort of things,
yeah. Concentrate.
Exactly, Yeah. Especially with a nice hash
rosin. Yeah.
That's delicious. Just unrivaled.
Dude, thank you. This very kind of you to share.
Dude that, that was awesome. That was fantastic.
You know, I, I say this to everybody, I feel like there's
no point in smoking hash if you're not going to share it.
It's. I feel like that's like
cannabis, though, yeah. It's like, you know, if you're
going to smoke some and you're just like, yeah, I'm not going
to pass this. Like, yeah, I don't.
I don't really know people like that.
You know, but that's the cool part because you wouldn't do
that shit with a Marlboro. No, no.
You wouldn't be like, hey man, here you.
Go. I mean, I've never smoked one,
but I can imagine that if I did, like when I had a cigar, I
wasn't passing that. No, no, I I smoked for years and
that was the thing like it's mine.
It'd be like reaching into like this is how it how people would
treat it. And you can you can imagine
this. It's like you're eating
chocolate covered pretzels and it's a little warm that day and
then somebody sticks their greasy Dick beaten hands in
there and picks out one and it's sticking all over their fingers
and you're like, that's what they think of like with
cigarettes, but cannabis, you're like, no, dude, here you go.
No problem. Like it's just there's no, no
feeling of like, oh, this is it. You just yeah, can I have one?
No, I'm. Yeah, exactly.
Social thing, yeah. So as a bud tender, I guess
you've been there as a bud tender nine months, 10 months
roughly. Do you notice that most
patients, I guess, here in Utah know how to have a conversation
with you when they come in looking for products?
No. Yeah, for the for the majority
of people, I'd say that it's just give me the highest THCI
don't care about anything else interesting.
And I I really do personally try to push away from that
narrative, get people to focus on the terpenes and care less
about the THC percentage. You know, I've been smoking
consistently daily for nine years at this point.
My two favorite strains in shop are Magic which is 14% THC and
White Runs which is 17% THC. They both do me so so so well
and get me to the exact same place as anything else.
And the Malawi Sunrise, which is probably our most popular
strain. That 27 THC on average doesn't
do a thing for me. I just don't feel it when I
consume Malawi Sunrise and I it's one of the few strains that
I've ever like. No matter how much I take, I
just will not feel stoned. What's the terpene?
Profile like it's for that one Mir scene.
And. Just something.
Else which like normally those are terps that do great for me.
Yeah, but like with Malawi specifically, not a thing.
Well, yeah, it's. And the strain, you know, the,
the terpene profile, like how much in the percentages, you
know, what's in there because that really does have a big
factor on that. Like, you know, I've been
learning because there so I I take this medicine for type 2
diabetes and it's a ruler of when it's going to fuck up my
guts and I'm just going to be shitting like crazy, right?
Yeah. And did you get your?
Shot on Monday this week. No, I didn't.
Even still waiting on it to get into the pharmacy, I'm four days
over. So is that?
Your or is it your other Med that was messing up your guts?
Then no that Med. But that Med saves my life.
Oh yeah it brings me into normal levels of blood sugars.
Way different. Yeah, yeah, I've lost.
A ton of weight. I'm I'm way clear, your feet
don't. Hurt not as.
Much they still hurt, but cannabis is such a you know it
it's like that one anything high in beta carefully.
I know I can take that above anything else and I look at the
tert profile instead of the strain and that's where we feel
a lot the same way. It's you don't understand the
tert profiles and what it does for you.
You don't have to sound super fucking smart when you show up
on well, I'm looking for something with about 28% mirror
thing in about 13% beta carefully and you guys have that
in that specific order like that that would be it'd be a little
too deep. Yeah, the other guy, the other
guy over there be like this. Just fucking weed, bro.
Just order it. I never expect.
People to have that level of knowledge, but you generally
I'll ask people what they're using cannabis for and that will
help me direct them towards a product versus highest DHC
percentage, yeah. That's cool dude.
Would you say that a lot of your Co workers do the same thing?
Do they help them? Yeah.
Generally speaking, I'd say, you know, there's some people that
don't want to be helped. They'll just, yeah, they'll just
stick to what they want. But yeah, I'd say everybody at
Dragonfly wants to help you. That's cool.
Yeah, yeah, that's, it's a huge, I mean, Brandon's gone into Kira
Leaf more like I've I've done the Lehigh one.
I haven't done. There's one in Provo, isn't
there? Yeah, I.
Think, I don't know if it was Kira Leaf when you and I went
there, I think it was still whatever.
One owned it before. Oh yeah.
That was our very first experience in a dispensary,
Emily and I. Have gone there though, since
it's been key relief. And I was actually incredibly
disappointed with the experience.
And when I went in and was like asking the lady and stuff and I
was just like, wow, OK, yeah, they did.
They're not very happy. Like there's one or two, you get
lucky. But like the last time I was
helped, they're picking up a couple of disties to go go
camping with in Idaho. And I was like, yeah, I'm
looking for something, you know, a sativa strain.
But you know, the TURT profiles in these sativa strains you
have, maybe there's some that I already know.
And all she does is pull it up and she turned the screen just
to look at this fucking spreadsheet.
If this is what we got, I'm like, that's ridiculous.
But that's the. Thing it's, it goes into the
corporate cannabis like that's why you're getting that.
And then that makes me question the quality of product that's
out there when you're talking about mold on that, like what's
the big deal if there's mold on it?
I mean, I'm going to burn it. What's that going to do to me
inhaling? Burning mold into your lungs?
Yeah, I mean, do. You want to inhale.
Mold in any regard? No.
Of course not, right. So that's why I mean, you say
that, Yeah. And I'm glad you did because
it's not defamation because that's people talking about it.
Yeah. But to learn that a a company in
Utah grows products and almost every plant has mold on it is
horrible. Well, that.
Just shows that there's there's no level.
Of quality, No. And they're not maintaining it.
You know, we visited Dragonflies Grow, and Brandon showed a bunch
of cool spots where we were walking through and all these
other growers around. Oh, you should be like in a
completely suited suit. Gloves, environment and stuff.
And I was like trying to think about it.
I'm like, I mean, does it need that?
We're not that. Way for our tomatoes or any
other food that we get from the store, yeah.
Yeah, they're like but. Then I'm like, well, but it's,
it's considered medicine here, but they don't actually treat it
like medicine in any actual way. Like it's, it's this really
weird place that it's in. Then I'm like, OK, well, what is
the, the grade of quality? Like, 'cause again, I mean, if
there's mold and other ones, doesn't matter if it's a totally
clean suit environment, if they, they have mold and stuff growing
in their plants, like there's, there's these things that I'm
like, OK, Or if it's outdoor grown, most farmers that are out
there are just farming it. They're not like, Hey, I've got
this clean suit environment. I'm, you know, these are like
cleaning down and putting on gloves and this hazmat suit and
going like what? How?
Often. Are you seeing that?
I I personally haven't ever visited a grow.
I mean, I've grown plants myself yeah, I can say I haven't taken
that level of personal care to put on a hazmat suit.
It's just a plop of seed in the ground and see but.
Then you would, you do see those suits when they're doing the
trim. So when we observed that room, I
mean that room was 100% like everybody's wearing PP HEE gear,
they've got goggles on, they've got a full suit and it makes
sense because and stuff. But they're handling the end
product, you know, they're touching every little bit of
this flower, you know, and I'm sure there's lots of.
Loose trichomes in the air can get in your lungs, that sort of
thing. Well, there is.
'Cause even in what that was the, in my eyes, the first death
from cannabis, like actual death, but it's not in the way
of consuming cannabis. It was this lady was in a
rolling factory and basically there was too much powder in the
air and she died from inhalation of too much cannabis.
I'm like, but that's dust of anything.
That's a regulation of like this company was negligible and
didn't maintain things that should have been done on any,
any company on any industry. It's like quality standards for
your employees. Like, hey, can they breathe in
the air? No, there's too many particles
in the air. OK, get that crap out like that.
That's not a cannabis, that's a ventilation.
Issue. Yeah, yeah.
Exactly. So I'm like particles in the
air. Yeah.
So that's I'm like, that's that's what I'm like.
There is a first death from like actual cannabis in that instance
of it. But like it's yeah, but.
I mean, you got like one instance and they'd be like,
see, that's bad. And they're like, yeah, but the
government let us. But I'm like.
That could have been a dust thing, yeah.
They're like fuck you. It could have been a sawmill and
they didn't end their air like what else was.
There where were the pre conditions she had, Maybe she
was asthmatic and that's what killed her, right?
Yeah. And that's there's just so many
different variables, like when anybody ever wants to point out
something negative, overdosing. You know, there was no like
they, they consume too much and they died.
I was like, no, just, you know, any sort of dust in too much is
probably really bad for humans. So yeah, that.
Oh, yeah, no, it's the, I don't know.
I, I, you get a lot of different cannabis that comes in front of
you. I know you work for Dragonfly,
but there's times where you're going to recommend another
brand. Why?
Just if I believe it's a superior product, I recommend a
ton of pure plan products. You know, we do grow a lot of
flour for a pure plan, but I love their concentrates and they
do they wash a lot of like the solid flour or black sheep flour
for the rosins and they all turn out phenomenally.
The Dragonfly doesn't currently offer any solventless products
and I do really prefer my solventless products over
solvent based products. I just find like if I'm using
BHO or a distillate, it gives me kind of a burn and my nostrils
are in the back of my throat and I just personally don't like
that. Yeah, well, the.
Solvent less is such a better, cleaner experience.
You know, if you don't have to go with a BHO or something, why
would you choose that extract? Yeah, I mean, and here's the
thing that we've realized over time and it's, you know,
obviously some people struggle with that is some people go for
the lowest product dollar. They're like, oh, this is going
to get me the lowest, like best bang for my buck.
But is it though? Because a lot of the time you're
like, hey, are you taking 2345 times more hits?
Because this isn't getting you the experience that you actually
are needing for what it is. So instead of getting to what
you're wanting, you know where it's like, hey, we can take a
dab and get to the level we actually need and we're good and
can work and do things for hours.
Or we have a disti cart and we puff on that every 30 minutes.
Yeah, 'cause we're like, oh shoot, hey, we're not there, but
take another hit. All right, Well, same like.
You know, I and I get that because like the concentrate
really does hit you and stay longer.
I feel I agree and you're not having to visit.
You're, you're not going to take, I mean, well, I'm not
going to speak for everybody else, but in a healthy
relationship with cannabis, you're not going to be hitting
that thing like you would a, a disti cart, yes.
Yeah, you're. Not just going to keep fucking
hitting that loading that bowl because quickly you're going to
go into space, you know, you're just like fucking Elon Musk.
I don't I don't understand how they were able to leave the
atmosphere so quickly. But see.
If you do that, we might be able to get the free Tesla that's up
there. So shit, that's not high
thoughts. Just just.
Bringing it in, though, I mean it it's I don't know like it's
it definitely like I had a hard time going over to concentrates
because I felt like a fucking crackhead because the the glass
because all I knew of dabs was him heating up the torch yeah I.
Got the blowtorch and heat it up and, you know, set a timer on it
and go all right, well, let it cool down to here and but that
looks very druggy. Agreed.
I that's where I started with dabs and Oh yeah, my, my
girlfriend, she refused to touch it because she felt like a
crackhead slipping dabs out of a a rig with a torch.
But I mean, now she takes just as many dabs as I do because the
puff go, it's just so easy. It's not intimidating.
You can adjust it to a perfect temperature.
I know she likes her dabs lower than I do Interesting.
Where does she do it at 4:30? OK.
And you? Said yours about 460.
I do 4. I gave y'all one on 450 and I
took mine on 450. OK Speaking of, what did y'all
think I loved? That it is like very.
Clear. It's very clear.
I don't feel it anywhere on my eyes or anything like that, and
it's not deep in my head or anything.
I feel a presence around it, but that's it.
It's really soft. Yeah, it's a very.
Subtle strain, yeah. And I.
Don't feel it in my body. Like it's not slowing me down.
I can. I mean, I already know 'cause
like, I'm, I'm constantly fucking moving no matter what.
Like my wife, she's gotten used to it.
But in the bed, if I'm playing like a switch or something or
looking or I'm writing shit up on my iPad, my feet are just
going like this. Oh yeah.
I'm a fidgeter, yeah. I'm always doing something with
my fingers. Yeah, I have.
To I notice. On the show, as I'm editing and
stuff, when I have a lighter, I'm always like spinning the
lighter or something. I'm like, damn it, Brandon, will
you chill? No.
It's just it's just who you are. I mean, that's just it's your
ticks and that's what helps you to feel, you know, like when
with autism and stuff like that, some of these kids will stem
really bad because the input of all the sounds and and
everything around them, sight sound, it's so overwhelming that
the IT like bottles it up. It doesn't just go in one ear
and out the other one. It stays in there and it's
playing loud in their mind. It's a coping.
Mechanism. Yeah.
Yeah, we all do. It we all stem, yeah.
Everybody stems to some degree. You're tapping your leg right
now? Fucking yeah.
Banging my fingernails against each other.
Yeah, I know. Right.
It's just like Brandon had to tell me because I had this when
we would be recording because if I get really high, like I'm like
starts grabbing his. Pants.
Yeah, but then we pick it up on the mic and it's like, man, you
got to stop doing stop rubbing your pants.
Yeah, I mean. Now the setup's a lot different
so it doesn't really pick that up as bad, but I still.
Think it does, Yeah, it still. Does, but it's just funny
because it's just these weird little ticks and sometimes
cannabis just completely gets rid of it.
Yeah. All right.
So. Say new patient comes in, what
do you think are one of the best questions they can ask you as a
budtender to help guide them in this experience?
Well, again, absolutely, I'd like to know what they're using
cannabis for. That for me personally is one of
the most helpful things. If I know you're using it for
pain, depression, you know, once, once you get your Med
card, you can tell me you're using it for anything.
I don't care if you're telling me you're using it to get high
as hell or if you're using it because you're in the worst pain
imaginable, I'll help you regardless.
But at that basis question is going to be the foundation for
the rest of everything that we do here.
I need to know what you're looking for in terms of effects
before I can get anywhere. And then like I'll get into to
what kind of products they're looking for.
If they're looking for edibles, I'll get into dosage vapes, I'll
get into the difference between, you know, the different types of
concentrates, distillate, rosin resin and you know, same with
concentrates. I'll go through that same list
and then flour, I'll just talk to them about different quality
of different brands. What do you find?
I guess here in Utah has been one of the biggest product
pushes that patients have gone. Is it mostly carts?
Do we stick with flour or is it edibles?
People love the. Disposables.
People love their disposables in Utah.
The 2G carts they fly off the shelves.
Wow. Yeah.
That makes sense because it's so convenient and there's a lot
more in it. Is that a?
Distillate, is that a resin? OK, the select ones are.
Distillate and botanically derived terpenes OK.
Yeah, yeah. That's like that's.
I personally think it's interesting that they sell so
well because I it's a lower. Quality product and.
For $110, yeah, crazy fucking hell for 2G.
Yeah, dude, that's of botanical terpenes.
Geez. Like you're getting. 7 grams of
flour. Well, 'cause.
Yeah, 'cause I'm looking at that and I'm like man, fuck when I'd
rather get 7. Grams of flour?
Yeah. When?
Nerath came on the show and he was telling us that they're
doing the 0 now. And I was like, ah man.
He's like, well, there's just this market for it.
Like who? Who's buying these really cheap
shitty ones? But a lot of people because they
don't know the difference there are I'd or don't care.
I've noticed a trend in cannabis where people are liking their
weed do not taste like weed. It's a thing in other state with
like sprayed packs. Yeah, or like sprayed.
Packs like. That's just a term for, you
know, altered cannabis that's been made to taste and look a
certain way. I like this.
Not natural. Not.
Natural, yeah. Yeah, you noticed that?
Less strains, more flavors like S'mores or marshmallow, even
with bud. Like that's that's a big thing
on the black market, I feel like particularly on the East Coast,
but I've seen it in Texas too. In California.
Absolutely. But you know it.
Sorry, I got kind of off track. No, no.
That's I was asking the question 'cause I mean that's some I've
never heard before I. Feel like a lot of people are
liking those more kind of artificial flavors.
I notice, you know, there's also just a lot of people like, hey,
I have kids. I don't want them to know, like,
I'm using cannabis. What's not going to smell like
weed, but I can still smoke it. Like, oh, this is going to be
perfect for you. Like, you are the person that
distillate and botanically derived terpenes is made for.
Yeah. Honestly though the live resin
carts, like even if they're doing disposables I feel like
those are so much better. Agreed.
And. So even if they're going to
that, yeah, some of the live resin and rosin's like you can
smell a little bit of it. Oh.
Dude, if it's good stuff, yeah. Oh, it stinks like the.
The ones that you have, the ones I just gave you.
Oh, yeah. You you can smell them from the
Yeah. Oh yeah.
And and that's usually when I'm, I'm looking at a live rosin pit.
If I smell like artificial flavors and stuff, I'm going to
get a dizzy feel and be like, this is a fucking lie because
you just you said this. And that's where a lot of I see
certain stores that that not having the knowledge about the
products, you're pushing them to the cheapest thing because it
goes really quick or there's a sale and they're like, we need
to clear that inventory. So push it and you're like, OK,
whatever. I mean, that's where I, I feel
like when I've gone to key relief, but I don't get that
same feeling of your guys's pharmacy Utah.
It's so weird with that I'm just going to call.
It dyspo now, Yeah, I've I've. Been bouncing between weed and
cannabis this whole episode. Oh no.
Dude, we're the same way. I mean, it's like, I'll even say
that like throughout this is good weed.
Yeah, but it's OK. It's not a bad thing, but it it
just kind of sounds like it. There's just not Well, in your
opinion, why is there not a pretty much a standard for bud
tenders as far as like knowing the knowledge and all that?
Because you're they're there to buy.
It's not like they're going to be like, no, thank you for
showing me all that stuff and I'll put it on layaway.
Yeah, right. Are you talking about?
In terms of like knowledge, yeah.
Like why? Why does industry?
Standard. Yeah, to be a bad tender.
So why? Why do you feel it is?
I mean, where you're at, that's kind of a standard that they
have, right? Or do they encourage you?
Yes, there is incentive to have more knowledge like there was
the the seed talent trainings were like you could get samples
for completing the training or whatever.
But I feel like a lot of the knowledge just comes from each
other. Like everybody's willing to help
the other person out. If if I hear a patient has a
question with one of my Co workers that one of my Co
workers doesn't have an answer to like I try most the flour
that comes in the shop. I'm I'm a big flower guy.
A lot of my coworkers, you know, they may only use vapes or may
only use edibles. So they may not have experience.
To speak to that yeah. And so I'll.
I'll chime in, give my two cents and that may you know, really
help that patient and people will do the same thing for me.
Like edibles do not work for me at all.
My liver would just not process THC orally other cannabinoids
which is really cool. Like I took a fresh squeeze
moxie edible this morning. Those, you know, 50 milligrams
of CBG and I feel great, like I feel really social interesting.
I have, you know, a lot of anxiety and that's exactly the
reason I took it is, you know, kind of help calm me down for
this episode and I feel I feel great.
Really. You were.
Nervous to come on yeah oh absolutely.
Why I just? As I mean, I was saying to you
all before, this is my first time speaking on anything ever.
That's. OK.
Yeah, it's OK, I guess. We're just trying.
To get you high enough to admit shit that you did when you were
as a kid. Nobody knows about it.
Yeah, I took his Dick, but they said it was a gay at the you
know, it's only gay if you don't pray.
So I mean if you don't. Pray.
But I mean it's. You know, it's like, whatever,
dude, I've, I've, I this strain is making me funny, dude, I
don't know why. Oh.
Man, it's like apples and bananas.
We the other night and we were both just like laughing and
giggling and just like the funniest.
Part I keep repeating like I'm high, I'm laughing hysterically,
'cause I miss Gelato, face off with apples and bananas and it
was awesome and I'm laughing and Brandon's like what the fuck are
you smoking? And I told him I what I mixed
and he's like, I'm going to go get some apples.
And he was like he got I had apples and.
Bananas. Yeah, apples.
And bananas in there and he we both are playing and he gets we
play Ghost Recon. We played this think game for
years. We still keep going back to it,
but we were playing and he's like, he's high as fuck so you
can hear his voice and I'm high as fuck and I'm giggling and
he's all I got a car. I got a car and I'm all I'm
coming, I'm coming, I'm coming. Not like that though.
Gross. And we were fucking laughing
like we had to just stop. We're the this car.
We got bad guys chasing us and we're laughing our asses off.
Like it was such a good time, but it was such a good memory.
And just think about that, like when people come in too, I was
wondering like, it's not always depression.
It's not always like pain. And it's not.
It's just like, you know what, man, I want to just let go and
kind of forget my day. Do you have people coming in
like that? Absolutely.
Cool. Yeah, Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, people use cannabis for everything under the sun, yeah.
Right. Yeah, even if this.
Clouds go across the sun. They're like, yeah, well, that's
me. Me too.
I need my son later. I need my cannabis.
There was this for me both, right?
That was about this. Woman I worked with, she's like,
I, it was funny. I told Brad about it.
It's like this job and they asked me.
It's like the first time I was like way open and honest about
my cannabis shoes. And I just told the lady because
they hired me on as like a sales guy and they were one of my
marketing clients. And they're like, hey, we'd like
you to come over. And honestly, what did I do
there? Fucking nothing.
I didn't do anything and I had a decent salary over there and
decent pay, but I just gave them ideas.
But I came to her right after I got there and she goes, OK, you
just have to take a drug test because we go into medical
facilities all the time. I'm like about that.
And she's like what Namal? I smoke weed.
She's like, oh, OK, well then we'll just delay it for 30 days.
Can you get can you go without for 30 days?
I'm like, oh, totally for a job. You got it.
And she's like cool, all right, we'll just do it in 30 days.
I'm like. Wow, that rocks, right?
Yeah, that beats the. Other, I mean, the other story,
I mean, I'll go through it. Brandon's heard it, but you'll
hear it. And it's, it's really funny.
I get this sales job with this supply chain company and it was
an awesome opportunity. Kind of, I don't know, it was
fucking lame. Anyways, while I'm there, I'm
filling out all the stuff and they sent me this packet on all
my crap that I need to do for training.
And then at the bottom it says, and be prepared to be able to
give us a urine sample as we'll be testing you for it.
I'm going there. There's a straight laced dude
who does all the training hardcore.
Holy roller. So I'm like fuck.
And I'm like, I got to get some. So I have buddy give me some of
his piss that morning and I put it in a Ziploc bag and I tape
that shit to my inner thigh with duct tape because it's the only
thing that's going to hold that. And then I drive.
Well I'm about two about a city away when I noticed that my
seats warm and I'm like oh fuck. And the urine is leaking out all
over my underwear but luckily it was just such a slow drip that
it didn't go through. And I was wearing khakis too.
Wow. Yeah, this was.
Bad. And so I get there and I'm like,
hey, I start talking to the trainer and I know the guy.
I'm like, hey, Carrie, I'm here. Dude is super excited to be able
to get this training. I noticed that I had to do a
urine sample. Where's the cup and where's the
bathroom at? And he goes, I didn't have to
give a urine sample. You don't either.
You're in sales. I'm like, Oh yeah, of course I
got to go to the bathroom. Look at the big old.
Patch of fucking bald skin and then the there was barely any
piss in there or that it leaked all over.
I had to sit in that office for 8 hours through training in my
own piss and people were probably going what's what's
going on? Is that in the ceiling?
Is there an animal in here? And I'm like, I don't smell what
you guys are smelling. What the fuck is going?
On so that's funny. Yeah, I never had that, but I
didn't have a Yeah, the. Swab.
I got offered a job and I was sitting at home Outback.
I had just gone on a motorcycle ride, got home and I'm smoking a
bowl. And I'm just about done with the
bowl when my phone rings. And it's this company I'd
interviewed for a couple times. And they're like, hey, we'd love
to offer you the position. Can you come and fill out
paperwork? And I was like, sure, when do
you want me to come in? They're like, right now.
Oh, it wasn't a bowl, it was a joint.
Because I was like, shit, I'm worried my beard's going to
smell. So I hurried and washed my face,
brush my teeth real good. And I go in, I drive in, I'm
there within like 20 minutes and I get there and I'm filling out
paperwork and they're like, oh, hey, we just need you to take
this drug test real fast. And they hand me a swab as I'm
doing paperwork. And I'm like, oh shit, I just
smoked a joint like 20 minutes ago.
This is for sure gonna like show up in my system.
So I fill out their paperwork and I, I hopped back on my bike
and I ride my motorcycle home and I called Jesse and I'm
talking to him like, man, what do I do?
Like I just, I'm pretty sure I'm going to get turned down because
they're going to it's, it's in my system.
And he was like, well, just send him an e-mail and go, hey, man,
I just wanted to be transparent. Like, I was out in Colorado last
month for like a a funeral and a buddy gave me a cookie and I
know it can stay in my system up to 30 days.
So I just want to let you know that, you know, you might find
that. So I was like, OK, so I emailed
the guy and he was like, oh, hey, I appreciate your
transparency. But your test came back clean.
And I was like. That's crazy.
What? Like.
Yeah, so now if you get a swab, just make sure.
What kind of toothpaste did you use?
I have no. Because that shit.
Probably was it you use Crest well, because.
Usually they have you like swab the whole part of your mouth and
that and and he's like, we'll just have this sit in your mouth
for like 10 minutes while you do this.
And so I literally had it just touching the roof of my mouth
and barely on my tongue and just sat there for like 15 minutes.
Oh, that's how. You saved it, dude, because that
would have touched your cheek. Oh yeah.
If I was like swabbing everywhere in that, yeah, I'm
pretty. Do you do a bit funny?
If you were doing that, though, you're all and then they turn
over there, you're all. You're right.
You just like get my. Hand out.
Yeah, I know you guys want this, so I start tomorrow, right?
Yeah, but there's a different position.
Yeah, you'll be in the back. Oh, you're definitely going to
be under me now, so. Under my desk.
But dude. I was just like, like what the
Like He told me that I'm like, wow, it's crazy.
Because I was going to start at 50, but they started me at 69
after that so well. Because it was meant to be.
They just watch. Me, yeah, they're a lolly like
man just. Give a really good.
Sample. Yeah, yeah, that's so.
Funny, but now I mean like here's here's where my mind just
went to. What do you think the average
age is a person coming into the dispensary?
Like across the board? What do you see pretty
consistently? Because I can tell you what I've
seen when I go in, but pretty consistently I look at people
that are in their 30s, like younger type people like that
one, but I see a lot of older people.
Yeah, it's it's. A pretty wide age range.
There's people who, you know, like me, are 21 and then there's
people that are 90. It's it's it's is that kind of?
Crazy to see, is it hard for them to order or are they pretty
comfortable? Older people, definitely.
Depends on the person. You know, there's a lot of
people who are still kind of in that Reefer Madness mindset like
you. You kind of really have to,
while you're working with them, convince them that what they're
doing is not a drug and it is a medicine.
Yeah. And that's always so interesting
to me. It's like, I don't know for me,
I've, I, I grew up around cannabis.
My parents use cannabis. It's, it's always been around.
It's always been seen as a medicine.
I even before I started. What's in there?
Do you have? Apples and bananas?
Yeah, absolutely. I'll take some.
Even even before I started smoking weed, I was using CBD.
My body's hurt. My whole life I was using CBD
for my body pains. What age?
Did you start CBD at Was that around 13 as well or was that
younger? I was probably.
I was probably like 10 the first time I took CBD, yeah.
Then my mom would get like CBDRSO essentially to give me
and that stuff was super cool. I've also had insomnia my whole
life and cannabis has been the only non habit forming thing
that's been able non traditional.
Is there a? Strain or a terpene that you've
really found that's worked well for sleeping for you Meersene.
Carry off lean and Lenovo together do me wonders.
Like did you guys ever try the gastropop from pure plan?
That one was Meersene, Lenovo carry off lean in that order and
I just couldn't stay awake after.
Consuming it it was. Fantastic.
There's there's very few strains where like I just can't keep my
eyes open after them. Yeah, same.
I feel like most strains, and Jesse and I were even talking
about that, like there's a lot of cannabis strains, even indica
dominant ones that you can use throughout the day, just
depending on what you're doing and still function, be focused,
get all the stuff accomplished that you need.
Yeah, well, it's like. The Gelato face off, which you
you guys can hear in a review in on Tuesdays.
But it really surprised me because I have had a mentality
that I just like sativas because I'm have ADHD.
But when you're looking at the terpene profiles and also the
lineage and then being able to look at those terp profiles like
this is where it came from. And then locally where you're
getting it, if you can get that information, that's awesome,
because then now you're able to do it.
It is by far the most productive strain I've ever used.
Yeah, I'm, I'm just so focused and I feel good.
But. Like I mixed Gelato, face off
and magic. Oh, OK.
And so. Nice.
Yeah, it's. Going to because I and that's
one thing that's dude, like I don't know if I haven't told you
to Gelato. Face off has been an amazing
combo so these. Things are awesome for weed
because they're zip fizz containers, they are airtight
and they are thick, OK? And it.
There's like what's in there? I showed the Italian ice.
Check it out. Last smell the tip.
You won't smell. You won't smell anything.
Now crack it open. Whoa, yeah, Well, that smells
really good. What is that?
That's. Italian ice.
You always have strains for so long.
No, but the. Thing is, it keeps very fresh
inside this that smells. Like it was just ground.
Yep, we have this. Is probably there.
That's at least six months old. That dumps out and it feels
still sticky and dank, like it was just ground.
That's incredible. There's no.
It's insane. There's.
Minor amount of air in there. I don't know why cannabis.
Yeah, because. They'll give you this shit,
that's what you get, and I'll keep flour in there.
But I also have a smell proof bag so they don't get but these,
I'll stick it in my pocket and take a vaporizer with me.
Yeah. And really?
Get that? But I showed all the.
Bud tenders at Dragonfly last time I went because I was
talking to someone, they were like, I just got the Mighty Plus
and I was like, oh, I love that. And I had mine in my bag and
they're like, Oh yeah, it stands up and I'm like, yeah.
And they're like it's got the little tab on the bottom, like,
yeah. But it's not like I can't just
set it down and stands up. It's not like any of the other
ones where it just sits nicely. I just have to take it out and
lay down. It's a beast.
Like this thing doesn't have, you know, and yeah, I can take
out a little poker and stick it in backwards and set it down so
it'll do that. But like, yeah.
And so as I did that, I pulled out my little the.
They were like, you just got your vaporizer right here.
And I was like, yeah, but I had also just come from a sash and I
had that little red tube and I'm like, oh, these are the best.
And I showed them that and they couldn't smell a thing.
And then after they were like smelling, I was like, popped it
open and it's like, yeah, it is. See, like I'll.
Give you one that I recently grown, where is it?
Also, I know I was telling you about egg roll last time you
were. I brought some egg roll with me
dude. What the fuck is this?
There's not even in there. That's one that.
Makes me really giggly. So this is apples and bananas.
Is that the Dragonfly 1? Yep.
Nice, that one's on. Pretty tight I was.
Pushing it the wrong way. That smells really, really nice.
Right. And it's so convenient.
Like I could have like 4 strings with me ground up.
And the crazy we did one time, it was, it was cherry.
It was a cherry pie. Yeah, it was cherry pie.
And I totally forgot I had it because it wasn't labeled.
That's why I'm trying to come up with something to label it with,
like a permanent marker that I can just erase.
Yep. But that's what I.
Do with my Mason? Jars.
This one still has Mac written on it and it just has a few
different structures Dude. Like how many tops of ours?
Yeah, fucking pieces of tape and shit.
You're just like, we're going to pull it off and then you're
like, it's not coming off. I found the.
I use sharpie, but Mr. Clean Magic Eraser will take it off.
See now you. Can you can feel the magic in
it? Oh.
Absolutely. I feel great.
The CBG does wonders. I love CBG yeah you know, as I
was talking about with the fresh squeezes, it just does so much
for my anxiety. Really, really does wonders for
me. Well, and.
And with this, like I, I, while we were hitting it, like it kind
of brought me down to base, like I, I don't feel like high right
now and I feel good. And then I, I did that kind of
as a palate cleanser, right? You're talking about egg roll.
Well, this is this is the ginger.
And then and then we'll try another one, right?
So I mean, it's, I don't know. That's what I love about it,
where you can, you can play with the ride at any time and it
doesn't matter. I mean, mixing strains over
there, like when I've talked about it with people, I'm like,
yeah, you can mix these strains. They're like, why would you do
that? And like I mix my strains.
All the time, yeah. We used to do that.
We we need to do another Combos episode because we did we
made-up some funny ones like we had one we called the White
Russian, which we were doing a. Lot of combos at that time.
Oh, tons. We had The Lone Ranger.
Yeah, because it felt. Like I, I felt just like here.
Yeah, we had the Dolph Lundgren, which was the.
Mix of White Russian and Sour Diesel.
Yeah, it is. Like it is like Dolph Lundgren.
I'm like, yeah, a giant Russian. Yeah, that's what it is.
It is just like, oh, that's crazy.
Yeah. It's just like golf.
Like what was I going to call that mix I've been doing?
I should just call it Mr. Giggles because that's that's
how I felt. Oh.
I was just on apples and bananas that night though, and I was
still feeling super giggly in that.
I was like, I don't know if it was very.
Fun apples and bananas. But like that mixed with, yeah,
but that's. So crazy like you know you can
add that CBG to your bowl and just change the effect.
So do. You you're saying you used
Moxie's edible for CBG? Do you find CBG flour?
Have you got anything more like that?
I like the magic. A lot, yeah.
That's really the only other high CBG product that no of in
Utah. Those outside of edibles, The
other one. That, we had found was Grass
Valley Girl is also about the same percentage of CBG as Magic
was. OK, yeah, which was a real
surprise. Yeah.
And it was. Nice, I like grass.
Philly. I got it in a disti in those.
In one of the pods. Pods, yeah, but yeah, what's
your? What's your take on pods?
Do you like them more than five 10s or you don't give a shit?
I don't use vapes. All that often in general, and
then on top of that, I don't use distillate even less frequently.
Yeah, me too. So like when I do have a vape,
it's usually a live resin pen or a live resin pen and it'll last
me months. Like I have 1/2 gram Turpal that
I probably got six months ago and I am still using it.
That's why. Because I take dabs or I take
bowls way, way more often, yeah. I just need to be better with
that, but I always have so many different products that I'm
using and trying And yeah, as you were talking.
About with like with the longevity of the effect of a
concentrate or at least a proper dab, I don't feel the need to
remedicate with a pen in between my sessions.
I'm good until I'm not. Yeah, you.
And you feel that it's just as it comes on.
It's so quick, but the come down is so slow.
So you're not feeling it. You know, when you hit carts,
it's it's definitely this the whole time you hit the ceiling
of I can't get any higher no matter how hard I hit this
thing. Like I blinked it, you know, and
shit's gone from clear to now amber and then to like fucking
coffee. And you're like, yeah.
I mean, I recently went through a bunch of my cards and I'm just
noticing that I haven't smoked a lot of distillates.
Like I like live rosin. That's great for me.
I love that. But.
At the same. Time I'm like OK I I, I want
live resin. Is fine, it just.
Tastes better. And so it's again, it's like
where I see a lot of people getting into cannabis in the one
or two ways and you'd probably be better to be able to save it.
But it's either edibles or disties when they get first into
cannabis or where would you say they're more or more open to
concentrate some flour like if? It's people's very first time
buying cannabis ever. Yeah, I'd say yeah, either
edibles, distillate or flower. I feel like a lot of people,
flower is something they know, but you know, they may have
never tried it. Edibles are always going to be a
safe, comfortable starting place for a lot of people.
I feel like especially older people really like their edibles
and then. I wonder if it's a stigma.
I like that that is. As I was talking about, like
with they kind of have this Reefer Madness mindset.
Still. I feel like edibles help with
that is that's how I got. Both of my parents, my grandma
to consume is through tinctures and edibles.
Absolutely, you know, through lots of education and then
tinctures and edibles. But but that's the.
Good thing. I mean, then they don't feel bad
about it. You know, my dad struggled with
alcoholism during the pandemic. You're alone and you're older
and got time and you still get money.
It was fucking. Hard on everyone.
Yeah, yeah. You know, and it's, it was, it
really fucked him up and I had to do detox with him.
And the second time we did a detox with him, he did like an
inpatient one for like 3 days and then the next one he did I,
I took care of him at my house for 14 days.
And it was hard because he was coming off of alcohol and benzos
and they were loading him up with so much medication like he
was drooling, couldn't barely speak.
But I've been in MA for 10 years.
I knew just had to be able to see the signs and all that
stuff. And then if it got too crazy,
I'd call 911. But he just, he had this really
hard time and then he had this withdrawal from alcohol and the
benzos. And so I started making them
edibles and he would come every month.
He's just like, hey, I need a another batch.
So I'd make like more dinosaurs and and little cars and stuff
like that. Make these awesome gummies for
him and load up a bag and I'm like eat half and then in two
more hours eat the other half and then just do that for like 6
hours and then you should be good.
And then he was like, oh dude, it was great.
I but then after he didn't need it anymore, then he's just like,
no, I don't like the way it makes me feel.
So I'm like, OK, cool it use it for its purpose.
That's awesome. I don't see why anybody would
stop using cannabis though. I mean, that's just weird.
It is odd to me, but like again, my people do just.
Start to experience really adverse effects from it so if.
You had a lot of that. You heard a lot of those
stories. I have.
A a friend actually who and it could have just been the the
concentrates he was smoking honestly, but he he said that it
gave him like asthma temporarily like he he wasn't able to
consume cannabis. Was he getting?
Black market, yeah, OK. But even when he was taking
edibles, his throat would dry up so much that he just couldn't
stop coughing. Interesting.
Yeah, it. Is it could be allergic to it.
I mean, he's. He started doing it again and
it's fine currently, Yeah. You know who knows better
quality, OK. Hopefully, yeah.
Hopefully, yeah, no. Mold.
Well, I'm. Surprised even like poke him.
In the eye, well. He's talking about mold in that
one, but I mention it all the time on the show, the highlight
cart that has the synthesized cannabinoids that they're adding
in. And I'm like, why is this the
thing? Why are we doing this?
Why are we synthesizing cannabinoids and adding them the
way? It was explained to me is that
those just appear as part of the distillate making process, which
I mean, I can kind of see it. The distillate is so far away
from the original cannabis plant already that who knows what's
going to pop up in the alteration of that original,
original D9 DHC cannabinoid throughout all that chemical
nonsense. I've just.
Never seen that on almost any other cart anywhere.
It's on the. Fruit of Life vapes I know, and
the wholesome vapes. I don't recall any others off
the top of my head that I've seen.
So when? We we love Dragonfly's products.
They hook us up every month with stuff to try out and when we
first started going I was finding that because they had to
skip the Nova battery and stuff, so I was getting some of the
pods and I'd find that I'd cough more experiences.
I do like theirs better than like any other one that I've
tried here Select always. Gives me headache every other.
One has this. This like.
Buttery terpene flavor to almost and it's the same exact flavor
across every single cart. Doesn't matter the strain the
cult like who makes it. I was noticing that across all
of them, like I don't like this because it feels like the carts
felt weird and the flavor I'm like, there should not be the
same thing that I can pick out across all of these.
There should be a difference. And so then when we did, I
started trying their pods and I was like, OK, I like this, but
it's still a distal it. It's still, and I noticed every
pod has like it. It feels like it gets down and
then leaves about that much in the bottom.
And I'm like, so how much product as if I'm for me, it's
not a big deal. But for patients who are like
this is my medicine. This is all I'm getting and I'm
paying $70.00 for this pod. I was like, that's a lot of
product because that's getting wasted for that.
Like is this the most effective system of delivery for that?
Like I feel like that is probably something that needs to
be changed up. Agreed.
Yeah, I mean, I don't think vapes are the most efficient,
not at all. In general, regardless of what
system you use, you're good. There's going to be that little.
I've actually. Gone away from them in the last
several months and because I'm like, I don't, I'd rather get
like a live resin pen, a live rosin pen and then just, you
know, do flour concentrates and stuff because disties have never
been my favorite. So I think it was just like, you
know, we were trying to try a lot of different products and
stuff and now it's going all right.
Well, really, really love the flower.
They've had some amazing like magic.
Magic was fantastic. Oh, what was the last one?
Black, Black, Amber. Black amber was super nice.
Black Amber. It has the petrocore smell with
it right after rain. You know that smell.
That's the smell, that's exactly.
It yeah, it's. So crazy.
I was just like, fuck, that smells like after what is that?
And we, as we found out it's called Petrocore.
And so I was like, oh man. And after that, like I was
telling my my my wife. She's usually.
Not into flower. She likes apples and bananas,
but she loved black amber. Yeah, you were telling.
Me that and then I go. There and they're fucking sold
out and I'm just like, oh, Brown.
She's such. A good strain.
And she asked me next time we're we're smoking flower.
She goes, do you have that black amber?
I'm like, she even remembered the name.
She doesn't remember the name unless it's on the box.
Yeah. And so that it just goes to show
like a big cult burn there. And you know I.
Also want to say real quick that I I appreciate you so much for
being honest to be able to let us know what allegedly is
happening over at Wholesome Cove where they've got mold they're
trimming, they're putting into those jars they're trimming
around it like that's just contaminated yeah.
I mean, who knows what you're giving over there.
So that's awesome. But it's allegedly right.
I mean it, it may or may not have been, you know, but from
unknown sources they, they did that I've heard.
From numerous people that work it to avoid their flower like
the plague. Oh wow.
That's sad. That's pretty.
Bad and that. Goes to show I mean like in that
that's why I got kind of irritated with people who were
like, oh, you should be in all this stuff like I don't know,
they got that facility pretty high fucking high tech down
there at the grow, but even. Not just high tech, but when we
went and looked at the products, when we went and looked through
the grow, when we went and saw each stage or even the.
Yeah. And then every stage.
It was. It was clean.
So yeah, we. Weren't white suits and gloves
hazmat suits but we wore? Gloves anytime we were touching
Yeah, when we touched the. Flower We wore gloves, but like
when we were wandering through and that we weren't, but no, we
weren't. Touching anything.
We weren't. They weren't.
Petting at all and stuff. It was just, but where was it
going with that? They had a level of quality that
we didn't see mold. I didn't see all these pests or
other things or, you know, they're not using synthesize
things or other things that really shouldn't be used in a
cannabis grow. Yeah, we use ladybugs as a.
Pesticide, yeah. Exactly.
And I love that when we were down there, how many ladybugs I
saw, I was like, yeah, see, this is what they should.
It's there's so many natural ways to do it and keep healthy
plants. Yeah, it's way more.
Efficient though, because I mean even the changing of their
lights due to the plants growing too tall and hitting the ceiling
and then you're getting the discoloration regulation of
like. Hey, it needs to be this far.
Hey, we've got to give it this room and it's giving that room
and the time and the care that it takes because every room also
was humidity controlled to that perfect humidity through every
part of every stage of it. Yes, when?
We were visiting it. The only thing I thought of,
because my brain is so random, is it went to that movie with
Matt Damon where he's like on Mars by himself.
Yeah, you seen that? One the yeah, The Martian and it
was super funny 'cause all I thought about that with
everything, he's like science, the hell I mean, science the
shit out of this. And it's exactly what they did
over there, man. I mean, it's so just top notch,
beautifully. Done.
Yeah. But I've also heard that there
might be a couple grows like that in the state here total.
Prove it so. I don't know, I'd have to go see
them to see, but you know, loved what Dragonfly's done so far.
Just. Amazing.
Honestly like it's some of my favorite in the country.
Do you have the? Rest me too.
OK, that's fantastic. I think that says a lot if
you're saying out of the country, so are you, do you do
legacy market? Do you do mostly outside dispose
as well? Like something maybe I don't
have? Like a a plug, Yeah.
But every, every now and then, there's products you know I
have. Like Gray market products like
the Sugar Magnolia Farms jar, which, yeah, from a hash event
or like, you know, I'll go to dispensaries in California or
like I'll just, yeah, shop at our local dispo, like Dragonfly,
yeah. Yeah, it's so funny, isn't it?
Cuz like when you, if you're into cannabis, like literally
any city that we go to when my family was like trap, every
summer we're either on the road, we're going to try and go
somewhere. We're camping.
It's been camping for several years.
But first thing I'm doing is I'm pulling up my Google cannabis
near me. And then I'm looking for that
one and then I judge based upon it.
But it's so going to dispos all over the United States are so
different in every state you go in, like Arizona, feel like the
one I went to, it felt like I was like at a fast food joint.
There was this rope maze. And this is in Phoenix.
And then when you wait there, they call your number like
you're at the DMV and it'll flash above like where the Rep
is. And then across the board it
looks like you're fucking betting on horses and shit.
But it's just their strains. And then it will change every
once in a while. So it's kind of.
Like the Planet 13 in a way, because they had numbers and
there was that P would stand in, I'm guessing when it's packed,
but we didn't go and it was crazy crowded.
No, it started. To get crowded before we
laughed. But that's the thing too.
With it was when you're at Planet 13, you're at the Costco
of cannabis like as far as like quantities and what you can get
and types oh dude, there was so much stuff there that you were
just like fuck, they thought of everything almost and they're
like, well that's nothing we got other stuff out here I really.
So I went down to Goodyear, AZ area not too far.
Outside of. Phoenix, but the oh, the ones
that we got the live resin pens and joints in that front.
Oh wow, story. Story.
Brand, yeah, story brand out in Goodyear area.
So their dispensary was actually really cool and it reminded me
of, oh, gosh, I don't think there's anywhere that's been
like that. But it was like, Oh, no, no, no.
If it was like cannabis in Springville but bigger, more
spread out. Oh, yeah.
And but like, yeah. Cannabis felt like Victoria's
Secret that mixed with Mad Men. Yeah, like a lighter.
Look, cause cannabis is pretty but dark inside, but it's a
really clean like more. It's a nice looking store in
there yeah or at least it was last time we went down.
I'm not sure since it's sold and then another brand but I don't
even know what. It's called.
I don't know. The forest.
The forest, I think is who it is now.
Oh, but I read that the state of Utah actually approved for them
to move outside of Springville up to Salt Lake.
So they're going to take a license outside of Utah County.
And so that will leave only Cura Leaf.
That's it, yeah. I that's all that's in fucking
Utah County is Cura Leaf then, so thanks Utah.
That's. Terrible, yeah.
Does Dragonfly deliver here? No.
No, because it's too far. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I know they got the Super cool.
I should know that. No, no, I mean, you know, I
checked on there because every time like I come in, I'm like, I
know I should try and do this online, but I kind of want to go
through the process that everybody else says.
It gives me an opportunity to talk to people and ask them
questions and a lot of people are open.
You get some older guys that are just like, I'm going to hell.
I don't need you to be friends with me while we're burning,
right? You know, it's just like
whatever last time. I was there, this kid that was
in there, he was buying 1g, just one gram.
And I was like, oh, shoot. And that was when I realized and
I was like, Oh yeah, Jesse told me about that.
And so that's when I bought the samplers.
Gram of sour. Chills.
I think I'm like, we'll just use this one for the show.
I'm not going to get it to smoke.
Like we'll just, we'll use this one.
Yeah, I've thought about. That too like using that and and
being able to get a few different samplers would be
really easy for like a show because then it's easy to be I
mean even if you're paying out of pocket you'll be like what
4060 bucks and I mean you're getting like 3 grams of yeah
which. Is just in.
Tiny packages, but it's worth it because I you know, if you're
going to start investing into it because then I see that there's
7 grams. What's the largest amount you
guys can sell? We have ounces in.
Stock right now. Yeah, but I mean, state limits
are 4 oz per month per individual.
What's it in? Concentrate. 20 grams. 20 grams
of concentrate or four? Yeah, dude.
In the amount that they give you.
Oh, you could have both. So you could have 1/4 ounce and
20 grams. I'm or quarter pound?
Did I say quarter pound? You can get 4.
Oz and 20 grams of concentrate in any given 28 day period.
Wow. Unless I'm wrong, I could be I,
I don't. Remember if it was or or like
you could do both. But that's cool huh?
Cause. On on our website it's listed as
separate limits. OK, when people.
Hit their flower limit, we can tell.
We tell them they can get concentrates.
So I mean, I assume that's how it works.
Yeah, it sounds like. Go down the menu because I.
Every time I would go, I mean, most of it was out of state I
guess, but every dispensary has their, hey, you can get this
much in a day and that usually is a combination of flour and
concentrates, you know, when you're out of state.
So I didn't know. That's really interesting.
I think part of that a lot because it is in a.
A 28 day period, that's a that's a long time, you know, versus
Colorado where you just said you can go buy an ounce of flour or
8 grams of concentrate in a day, right, But.
That's as a Rack user exactly. I'm sure the medicinal side is
larger, but the thing I've noticed there it is, is every
state I've gone to doesn't accept our card.
They're like, I mean, you can't, it won't do you any good.
You're not going to get the taxable benefits, You're not
going to get the Med dosing. So really you just get wrecked.
And I'm like, cool, So there's no Interstate recognition of
cards or value and like, hey, it just is like, Oh well, you know,
Utah if you have a qualifying condition from out of state and
you could. So that's the only.
Way you can get a temporary. Medical card you have to.
Have like a Med card from your an existing.
State that has a qualifying condition of Utah.
That's how I found. Out Texas has a medical cannabis
program is because somebody brought in their their what are
their? Qualifying conditions I don't
even. Know, but I know that they only
do edibles. Yeah, and.
It's like dosing up to like 25 milligrams or something small.
Oh I have I have no and I looked up logistics before cuz my
ex-wife lives down there and she's always been like oh you
should move to Texas. Like no one no, but like also
cannabis isn't legal there so also no but she.
Always makes me laugh about Joe Rogan.
You're. Right, because they're like.
Yeah, you can't have any cannabis, Mr. Rogan.
You can have as much as you like, Sir.
Don't worry about it. Don't.
Even worry, it's not a big deal and if somebody.
Flies in and has it on them. We're good.
Don't worry about it. Just go.
Go to the studio. Please buy a home.
Yeah, I don't know. Fuck that shit.
I don't remember what I'm saying before.
Oh. Fuck, I'm sorry.
No, that's good. Apples and bananas?
Apple stuff, no. No, we're talking about.
Medcard translation. Oh yeah, yeah.
So. When I looked it up, it was
like, I think it was 25 milligrams per edible.
And I'm like, that won't touch me.
I will not feel a thing from 25 milligrams.
And so that doesn't actually benefit me at all.
Yeah. So I just thought it was
interesting. And I'm sure for some people
there's value in it and that's great, but for some people that
that will do absolutely nothing, so.
Yeah, I mean, you're talking about 25.
Do you remember when I had that friend out in Denver, he sent me
a care package and I got these edibles and all I saw was
edibles and they were, it was pineapple Peach.
And it was so tasty. And I was like, I'll just do
half because it's like 10 milligrams, no big deal.
And then I started feeling a kick in and it was a lot
stronger and 10 milligrams like felt like I was melting my face
is like called cerebral palsies is like look like I had a
stroke. God, I'm.
Good, like honey. I.
Think these. These edibles are have turned.
I don't know if this was good. So I I'm eating that and I was
just like, fuck, what's what's the dosage on it?
And then I go and pick up the bottle and says 75 milligrams
her edible and I'm like Oh my God, fuck me.
And I was just like, I was so high.
And I. Was forever that I called my
friend I'm like fuck, man could give me a warning He's like, you
know how to read right I'm like yeah he goes quit put shit in
your mouth if you don't know what it is.
I'm like, yeah, it kind of got me into trouble in the past.
Yeah, that's that's good advice. That sound advice.
But it really, it was just like, you don't know what it's going
to do. And not even on the edible side.
Like I have a hard time recommending down edibles just
because of the potency and the. It just.
Doesn't you can half a pill? You can't really cut up a gummy
in a way that's going to give you like you could eat half a
bit what the dose. Might be with a gummy exactly, I
mean. Like theoretically you can cut
it in half, but yeah, who knows the dosing.
The the. Distribution of THC throughout
should be even, but there's always going to be off ones,
yeah. You're going to have like one
side of it. You're going this just tastes
like a gummy. I don't like it.
And then you eat the other half and they're like, like, that's
the way it is with edibles. Like, I feel like you guys can
eat edibles and you're just like, yeah, you know, 300
milligrams. Like you ever see that Instagram
post that he post? Oh, it was hilarious.
He's like talking all like it's the happiest thing.
He's like talking in the church. Hey everybody, I just took 250
milligrams and I'm about to go float in the float tanks.
This is one of my favorite things to do.
I mean, you see the comments, that's the best part.
It's like, oh sure, having a panic attack in space.
That sounds great. It was just like, no, because
his his his time. That's not even going to 250 for
me is. Like it takes, it will actually
take the edge off my pain. Really.
I won't. I won't be high, I won't be like
euphoric. I could totally smoke a bowl or
do anything else at that point, but I won't have much pain at
that point. Yeah, but that's usually 200 and
5300 milligrams. Like I've taken six 800
milligrams, I've taken 1000 to 1400 milligrams.
They get just, yeah, it's ridiculous or 200 every two
hours. Like I just have a lot of pain
and insane, insane metabolism and a high tolerance.
Yep. The the most I've taken is 1200
and it didn't touch me. And that's what, yeah, that's a.
Lot of amount conclusion. That I just not going on down
there, yeah. But some people, they don't
actually metabolism like, it doesn't affect them when they
break down like that. Yeah, I think it was.
Was it 15% or was it higher than that?
Was it in the 20s when we had Riley Kirk on Doctor Riley?
Yeah. But there's a good amount of
percentage of cannabis users who will not feel edibles period.
So it's just so. Crazy because I mean it and it
is like that. Sometimes it's there, sometimes
it's not. So, you know, kind of just
wrapping up with the it's, it's some of the things that I really
curious about is one, you know. Do you think people should be
going towards flour when they first get into it based on how
they can control better on how they feel or edibles where it
can take them to the place they want to go or they may take too
much? Yeah, I guess.
As a bud tender, what's your initial recommendation?
Obviously, I believe. Flour or concentrates are king.
OK. Just having the benefit of a
terpene profile and the full range of cannabinoids is so much
better than a 10 milligram THC edible.
Yeah. The entourage effect just.
Such a one-dimensional effect versus, yeah, that entourage
effect that you'll get with flour or concentrate.
Yeah, or live rosin. But you know, those are
obviously expensive starting places and that's why I'd say
like flour is what I think is the best starting point.
Yeah, cuz you get cannabis. I mean and.
If not like a live resin, and this might be a good way to look
at it. If it is truly a higher quality
product, you're going to use less so it'll last you way
longer. So even a 1g concentrate, if
you're truly just getting into it like the head of a pin might
be good enough for you. And so that one gram will last
you a month. Maybe that's how it.
Was with dad when I first got into it.
Like we started getting dab rigs like crazy at one point.
Yeah. And.
Where's every gabrig under the sun?
Yeah, seriously. Except for Puffco.
Puffco and Dr. Dabr. Yeah, I've bought that one.
But like every other one I think we've had sent to us.
Yeah. And that's.
Awesome. Yeah, I know, right.
Good problem to have. But we found the ones that we
like the most. And I've got like, I've got a
portable one. It's dry, but it's not as clean
as that. That one was great.
That was cool. I liked it.
And I think that case is cool. Like it makes me want to get all
my glass to go in something like that.
Yeah, just got to go to Harbor Freight, dude.
Shit, yeah, check that out Yeah, now that's that's awesome.
Where are you going to go in Cannabis I.
Hope to be a hash maker one day that's my end goal, but you
know, getting in at ground floor is where I'm at now.
I, I don't really have any sense of direction in that idea or
really the, the funds to get started right now, but it's
definitely where I'm hoping to go.
So you want. To go throughout and really be
deeper in the business, I. Hash is my passion.
Have you? So you've grown before, but have
you turned that into hash before?
No, I. Haven't grown in a few years.
Yeah. And so his.
Hash just been a more recent addition to your consumption
over like. The past year or so and it's
just, it's been kind of like, I don't want addiction is the
wrong word, but no, no, you could.
Be addicted to it. I mean an.
Obsession, to say the least. A passion about yes yeah.
Knowing everything about it that I possibly can.
Trying everything I possibly can.
Learning about every step of the washing process, how it can be
most efficient. Learning about every step of the
pressing process. Learning about every step of the
curing process, how to get different consistencies.
It's all just incredibly interesting and I, I'd like to
do it and I just, yeah, I would just love to be a hash maker.
That'd be. Fantastic.
We'll keep our eyes out because should be fantastic stuff.
Oh man. And that's that's cool too,
because I mean, and I think that's the difference of maybe
the caliber of people that Dragonfly is picking as opposed
to maybe Cure Leaf. I would say that if you are
getting into it, it is a job. Start doing what Alex is doing.
Just dive into it. Yeah, just get in somewhere.
I have made a temple ball before I I haven't made like rosin
temple. Ball, Yeah, y'all know what?
A temple ball is No, it's like an old school.
You, you know, like old school hash, like the stuff that'll
pull apart. Like, yeah, it's like that, but
rolled into a ball and wrapped in cellophane.
OK. And then you just let it cure
for a really, really, really long time.
Interesting. How long did you cure that it's
curing? Oh, still OK.
Yeah, it's, it's sitting in a jar, not cellophane, but it's at
least six months old right now. Yeah.
How long is the? Curation.
I'm gonna. Let it sit at least a year.
Damn. That's some self-control, bro.
Turns. Into CBNA lot of it and it
develops a really really unique flavor profile so something
interesting is so you know when you smoke hash like hash rosin
specifically, there's a very specific taste that it leaves on
your tongue a hashy taste yeah so that comes from hashishinine,
which is an evolved version of betamir scene which forms during
the hash making process during the curing process like a.
Fermentation. Exactly.
Interesting. Yeah.
How far? Into the curing does that form?
I don't know. Exactly.
But I just know it's part of the process.
That's wild. Yeah, huh.
And. Then that's just where the
unique flavor and the unique experience comes from.
The agent, dude, that's, that's the future.
You're going to be going by this whole place.
It's just aged hash like they do with these like ink bars in
Japan. You're seeing that like they
take this, they make the ink, it's out of like ash and all
this other stuff. And then it's like a dough.
It's like a bread dough and they smash it with their feet.
And then they need this ball of ink.
And then what they do is they melt it down from there and they
form it in these bricks and that's used for their
calligraphy, and it has to cure for four years before you can
sell it. Wow.
That's wild. And they're.
They're making so much, they're they're always busy because the
traditional thing is part of their culture.
So if you do calligraphy, it's not with the pen, it's with an
ink and a brush. So it was crazy.
I was like, so that's what would be cool.
If they start doing hash like that, just go around going Oh
yeah, you like parm? That's like four years, Parm,
Yeah. He's like over there.
It's like Parmigiano Reggiano, right?
You're just like, does it? Do you know if it degrades past
CBN to another cannabinoid at a certain point?
I honestly don't. I don't either.
Yeah, that's a good. Question, I learned.
Like obviously CBNTHCV, like over time it degrades and you're
left with less THC, but you got a really good sleepy time or you
know, fantastic. I've never considered.
Yeah, I just. Wonder if past that, there's
another stage and maybe we'll have to go to Google and do some
research. Yeah.
So we can find please. Google help us.
Do some interweb research. Yeah, I.
Don't know. All right, guys.
Well, this was an awesome sesh, Alex.
Thank you for visiting and thank you all for having me.
On yeah, great. Yeah, super chill, lot of fun.
Smoked a bunch of shit, feeling pretty good.