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Are you tired of trying program 
after program only to feel like 

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nothing really changes? 
If you've ever felt lost, 

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overwhelmed, or stuck in burnout
as an autistic or ADHD woman, 

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this episode is for you. 
Today you'll hear Michelle's 

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story, how she went from 
anxiety, self doubt and constant

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self guessing. 
The finding peace, clarity, and 

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finally feeling at home in her 
autistic and ADHD identity. 

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She's going to share what made 
all the difference inside the 

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unveiling methods, accelerate 
membership, and why so many 

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other approaches fall short. 
If you've ever thought, what's 

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wrong with me, why can't I just 
get this right? 

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You'll want to stick around 
because Michelle's journey will 

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show you what's possible when 
you stop guessing and start 

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understanding yourself with 
compassionate curiosity and 

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clarity. 
Let's dive in. 

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Step out of the shadows. 
Feel the power will rise. 

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Catch the spark inside you. 
Let your spirit fly. 

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Be on the chronic burner, Carol 
Jeans your guy. 

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Find your step. 
Be with a nice joy all the time.

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So is forward, bright and bold. 
Leave the bird apart behind. 

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In this journey hearts unfold. 
How is yours seeking find? 

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This is a real honor for me. 
I, I just am tickled to death 

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and my heart is bursting to be 
able to have this conversation 

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with you, Michelle. 
Michelle is a student of the 

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Unveiling Method and she started
the program in April of 2024 

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with my first small group cohort
where I ventured out no longer 

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doing just one on ones, but 
doing small groups. 

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And Michelle was one of the 
first people to raise their hand

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and go, OK, I'm in and we'll 
talk about that. 

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But Michelle, I would love for 
you to share because a couple of

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weeks ago I gave you a 
challenge. 

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And of course, I can't challenge
you without challenging myself. 

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I don't ever do anything that I 
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willing to do. 
And I said, Michelle, I would 

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love for you to grab your 
journals because you you've been

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journaling this whole time. 
Go back and find that journal 

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from March of 2024 and just read
what you were writing. 

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Who were you almost a year ago? 
Who did you discover? 

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Michelle, Where? 
Where were you a year ago? 

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I was a mess. 
I was really, really a mess. 

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I didn't trust myself. 
I was overwhelmed. 

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I was really, really down. 
And it was just I had so many 

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dark feelings. 
I didn't know where I belonged. 

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I felt on display and invisible 
at the same time in a negative 

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way. 
I was anxious about every 

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decision. 
I just I was reactive. 

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I couldn't express myself. 
I had a hard time. 

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Just like I felt like my 
feelings were just too complex 

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to express. 
But looking back, I feel like it

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wasn't that they were too 
complex. 

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It was that I didn't know them 
well enough because I wasn't 

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getting close enough to them 
because they were scary. 

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And I look back at this journal,
this poor girl, I feel so bad 

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for her. 
And I noticed like sometimes I 

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would write words really 
massively big or I would draw 

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like a picture that just just 
all sass and vinegar and and 

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then I would just be like, you 
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I was just letting it all out. 
And I was you because I remember

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when you first told me to 
journal, you were trying to show

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me that this was a space where I
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And I thought, oh, good, I can 
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to worry about who's going to 
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And you know, this is hilarious.
I see. 

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I wrote, I drew some flames and 
I wrote resentment and rage. 

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And then then I have like this 
other one where like I'm in the 

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middle and there's this circle 
and there's all this stuff, all 

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these arrows coming at me. 
I just, I just felt like the 

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target and but there was 
something else I noticed. 

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I noticed questions. 
I was getting curious and like 

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gradually it started to be more 
questions, then more venting. 

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And that's a technique that I've
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It's like when I have a feeling 
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about it or putting a meaning on
it or feeling like I have to 

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solve it right away, like I 
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I got to fix that. 
I ask a question and you know 

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that I'm just that one little 
act can take you so far because 

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there's a million ways to ask a 
question and when you ask one 

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question that leads to 10 other 
questions, right? 

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Because it's just like it opens 
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and then suddenly it's not so 
scary anymore. 

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You're just going through your 
boxes and doing your purging and

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you're Do I want this anymore? 
No, not really. 

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Let's get rid of that. 
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You really have embraced 
passionate curiosity. 

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You really have that was that's 
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So if you look back at the 
Michelle before we started 

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Foundation Builder in April last
year and you said she she was 

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really struggling, she was 
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You know, there was a lot of 
like all the arrows, everything 

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was coming at me. 
There was rage and these big 

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flames. 
And what were some of the things

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that you were telling yourself? 
Oh, my Gray hair. 

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Life is hostile. 
I feel alone. 

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Let's see effort out. 
Nothing in everyone else gets 

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what they want and need. 
I'm just surviving. 

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It's funny, I asked right 
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Are these thoughts true and 
helpful? 

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That one, that one definitely 
needed challenging, but it's OK.

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It's OK. 
I don't. 

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I don't have to be right and I 
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don't have to be perfect. 
I just have to be me the best. 

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That. 
Isn't me that I can be. 

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And that is a very different 
answer than the one that I got 

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back in April and May, which was
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everything and it's all got to 
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it has to be perfect and I can't
make a mistake. 

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Gerald G Did I miss anything? 
What did I not understand? 

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Oh my God, it was so bad. 
It was so. 

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Bad. 
But you're not alone and 

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starting there. 
There's somebody right now that 

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feels the same way. 
Yeah, I did. 

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Yeah, I'm so proud of all of 
your I, I, when I hear your 

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story, I just, I just, I am so 
awe inspired because I mean, 

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I've honestly, I feel like you 
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was. 
I mean, you were way down there 

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and I just how did you do it? 
Like, how did you go from that 

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to like, wow, you are just 
putting it out there and helping

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so many people. 
And I'm so thankful, so 

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incredibly thankful. 
Exactly the same way you're 

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doing it right now. 
You were doing what I did, but 

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faster with a clearer path and 
tools. 

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Yes, absolutely. 
Absolutely. 

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Wow, I'm so glad I didn't have 
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And I'm glad that I was able to 
figure some stuff out so that 

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other people didn't have to do 
what I did alone. 

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That's important. 
It is so. 

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Important. 
We're Better Together. 

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Absolutely. 
Oh my gosh, I, I just, I don't 

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feel alone anymore. 
And I think I have found my 

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community and most definitely 
we're going to get through this.

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We are. 
I wouldn't even say we're 

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getting through it. 
I say we're creating what we 

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want as we're in it. 
Yeah, Yeah, that's what I'm 

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talking about. 
That's what I'm talking about. 

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So Michelle, I got a juicy 
question for you from the I'm 

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I'm a mess. 
Bless her heart from a year ago.

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She was struggling. 
Everything was coming at her. 

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Everything was going out and 
nothing was coming in. 

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How? 
Did you decide that you were 

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going to do something different 
that you were? 

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How did you decide to work with 
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What came across your path that 
you said, you know what, I'm 

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ready even though I don't know 
what I don't know, I'm ready. 

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What made that happen for you? 
Well, I'll tell you what, I went

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to therapy for childhood trauma 
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point in that realm. 
And then I realized that I that 

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wasn't the whole thing and I 
started watching videos about 

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autism and ADHD. 
So I was really starting to have

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my suspects, my suspicions and 
and I was just, I was like, I'm 

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going to find out what this is 
and what if this is me and it 

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and how I can get help. 
I'm going to find it. 

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And then I don't remember how I 
found you in particular, but I 

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remember listening to I read 
your book because I was like, Oh

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yeah, she's she's talking about 
what I'm talking about. 

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So I read her book. 
I read your book and then you 

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had the the nine day energy pod 
and because I was like, I, I 

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think I had come to the place 
where I totally need help, like 

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not my therapist because God 
love him, you know, he was there

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for that particular purpose. 
And I think that was a good 

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beginning to the journey. 
But you know, I realized I 

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needed more targeted, you know, 
specialized help. 

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And so I watched that, I listen 
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I was like, I, I was taking 
notes and I was like, Oh my God,

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yes, she's that, that she's 
saying it, She's saying what I'm

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going through. 
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was, is when I was listen, when 
I listen to the energy pod, the 

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thing that really clicked was, 
oh, hey, this is going to be a 

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journey. 
This isn't going to be me 

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solving my problem and getting 
fixed, me fixing myself. 

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And, and now I'll be all nice 
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nobody has to worry about me. 
I was like, that's what I want. 

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I want that journey. 
I want to find out where I, 

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where I am, where did I go? 
Who am I, What's what's 

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happening? 
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if I was a rich woman, I would 
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individual. 
Boom. 

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Right off the bat. 
I wouldn't have hesitated. 

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That money was there. 
I would have flung it at you. 

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But you know, you had some, some
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And I was just like, OK, all 
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And we're going, we're doing it.
We're going to do this because I

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didn't want to stay where I was.
I didn't want to stay there and,

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and, and just flailing and 
trying and, and still not 

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getting anywhere. 
And it's ongoing and it will be 

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life lifelong. 
It will be lifelong. 

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And who knows? 
Who knows what's next? 

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Who knows? 
Because the only thing that's 

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stopping wonder, all these 
wonderful things happening, is 

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my choices, my own choices, Me. 
I can make beautiful things 

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happen. 
I can do that. 

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But I have to have to be willing
to receive it. 

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It's it really is kind of funny.
It's almost like, well, there it

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is. 
Michelle, are you going to take 

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it or not you. 
Know it. 

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Has to be a certain nature. 
I have to have control over it. 

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Like, no, you don't. 
No, you don't. 

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And you know you'd be bored 
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everything. 
You would be bored out of your 

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mind. 
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You've heard me say this a few 
times, Michelle. 

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So what? 
Yeah. 

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Who says? 
Who says? 

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Who says exactly, Exactly. 
I I did a lot of questioning. 

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Everything's up. 
Everything is up for a question 

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now. 
It's like you were. 

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Afraid to ask questions in the 
beginning. 

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You're afraid to ask questions 
at the beginning. 

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You're like, no, no, no. 
It's, it's got to go this way 

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because that's what it says. 
There's no question in this 

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Kelsey. 
So, so when you signed up for 

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Foundation Builder, was was that
an easy decision? 

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Was that just like a a quick 
yes? 

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Oh my God. 
Yeah. 

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Were you? 
Rise because it it's, you know, 

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it was a lower ticket thing. 
It was a, it was a beta. 

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It wasn't like a whole lot of 
anything, but it was. 

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Were you surprised about the 
level of support and 

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personalization that you've had 
through the whole program this 

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year? 
I, I have, honestly, it is the 

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most impactful thing I have ever
done in my entire life. 

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And honestly, I mean, the value 
is just so far above what I've 

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paid financially and just even 
what I put in when I put in a 

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lot. 
But like, you know, working with

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the tools and doing the 
journaling and doing the 

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reflecting and all of that, that
has been a joy. 

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That has been a joy because I 
feel like everything that I put 

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into it came back to me a 
thousandfold, a thousandfold. 

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So there's my scales. 
There's your scales. 

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Yeah. 
We pulled a card, an Oracle 

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Dreamscape card, because I was 
trying to do this portrait. 

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She's like, heck yes. 
We got like she drew like the. 

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It was the perfect card. 
It was so beautiful. 

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So. 
So, Michelle, I'm going to ask 

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you and your scales, were you 
happy with your decision or has 

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it been a disappointment? 
Anyway. 

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Is there anything I can do 
better or was this like really 

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good? 
I mean, are you asking me if I 

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was happy with my decision? 
I just realized I don't think I 

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can be any happier. 
I don't know. 

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Maybe I shouldn't have done 
this. 

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You're. 
Hilarious. 

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No, I, I 1000%, I am more than 
happy. 

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I'm more than ecstatic. 
And every little bit of effort 

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that I have put into it 
literally has just exploded, 

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exploded with, I don't know, 
just so many benefits like 

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peace, executive function. 
I mean, I, I was afraid to 

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drive. 
I was afraid to drive. 

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And I mean, I never would have 
thought that I'd been there 

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because, I mean, I'm in my 50s 
and I've driven on the Baltimore

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Beltway and the DC Beltway. 
I mean, I've done it all. 

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OK, like. 
That's some serious, serious 

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driving. 
I know how to drive and I've 

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done it before without the 
anxiety but for some reason my 

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anxiety was so bad I just it was
a big deal to do even 1 errand. 

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I was like OK what time of day 
am I going to go? 

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What what route am I going to 
take? 

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What music am I going to be 
playing? 

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How am I going to calm myself 
down if I have an anxiety? 

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It was just this huge thing. 
I laugh now because now I'm just

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like, oh, my charger's dead. 
Oh, let's go get a new one. 

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And oh, by the way, while I'm 
out, I'll do this and this and 

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I'll enjoy it the whole time. 
I mean, how can how can you put 

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a price on that? 
How can you put a price on that?

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And I mean, shoot, if I can hit 
a walk at 200 miles an hour and 

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then pick myself up and find a 
better way to be in leadership 

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of my own life, why would I not 
do that? 

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I have to do that. 
The only other option is total 

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destruction. 
And we get to choose. 

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Yes, I know. 
I'm like, I'm not controlling my

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life, but I am making my own 
true choices. 

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And that feels really good. 
It feels amazing. 

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But you have to know what you 
want. 

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You have to know what you want 
before you make the choice, 

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right? 
And if you don't know who you 

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are, and you don't really know 
what's going on inside of you, 

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how are you going to make a good
choice? 

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Michelle, do you think that 
you've learned who you are? 

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You've discovered unveiled who 
you are this year. 1000 percent,

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1000% yes. 
What's been the biggest surprise

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that you've discovered about 
your authentic? 

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Self a surprise. 
The biggest surprise is just 

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because I'm autistic, I'm not 
broken. 

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I'm actually happy being 
autistic. 

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I like it. 
It's who I am. 

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It's quirky, but who cares? 
I like it. 

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It serves me. 
I love how I'm attentive to 

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detail and I love how I'm 
selective in my social 

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interactions. 
And I love that I don't have to 

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follow someone else's script or 
someone else's expectation. 

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I'm happy I'm good with it. 
Even the ADHDI mean I I'm not 

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going to lie, sometimes I'm like
now brain I need. 

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You to behave? 
Well, I talk to my squirrels. 

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You know I do. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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And if I'm telling you that 
Harmony cycle that we did, holy 

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cow, that has been a super game 
changer. 

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I'm like, Oh my God, I 
understand myself so much better

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physically, hormonally. 
Like I can really feel it when 

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I'm moving into. 
I'm like, oh, I must be moving 

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into the next phase, like and 
sure enough. 

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I love how when we have group 
sessions and you're just 

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throwing up, well, I'm in 
Maloudio this week and 

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everybody's nodding because we 
all know what you mean and it's 

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so nice, right? 
It's. 

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Wonderful. 
Because now it's like, because I

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had suspected for a long time I 
was like, there were times when 

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the ADHD was so bad, so bad, and
I was like, what is going on? 

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Like, I know I have ADHD, but 
really this is just too much. 

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And now I understand it's those 
hormones are are shifting and 

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they're changing and I can just 
be like, oh, OK, so I need to, I

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need to give myself what I need 
during that phase for that 

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particular thing and it'll be 
fine. 

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And it's, that's harmonious. 
I don't need to be, you know, at

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the same level of performance 
for the entire month. 

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I can go through those cycles 
and there's pros and cons to 

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each cycle. 
Each part of that cycle has its 

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pros and cons. 
And when you capitalize on the 

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pros and minimize the cons, 
guess what? 

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It's not as hard and you're not 
like it's. 

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A good major for me. 
That's why I said I haven't 

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learned everything. 
I've only been doing this three 

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or four months, but I got to 
teach you all everything that 

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I've learned because you've got 
to know for. 

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Real for real, because just even
the the minute understanding is 

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has been a huge help. 
A huge help. 

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No, I don't have me. 
To share the next one when we 

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dive into all the Co occurring 
health conditions that happen in

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our cycles. 
Oh my gosh. 

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That's going to be a good one 
and. 

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It's, it has Carol, it has just 
been a journey. 

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It has been that journey that I 
was really, really craving. 

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Like I just didn't want to keep 
doing life the same way and the 

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Harmony cycle and all that. 
It's all part of it. 

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It's all part of it. 
Because now I'm so excited. 

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I'm like, wait, you mean I can 
keep learning and then my life 

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gets better when I learn and I 
receive and I'm curious like, 

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oh, I like this. 
Oh, that's so good. 

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What has been as you began when 
you think about back to 

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foundation builder, you know, we
start with the spicy pepper 

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dashboard and if any of you have
done the the three day road map 

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out of burnout, that's where we 
start was this with the spicy 

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pepper dashboard and we revisit 
that. 

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But all the way from the spicy 
pepper dashboard to now where 

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you're aligning those 7 forms of
rest in in our accelerate 

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program. 
What's the part that really made

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the biggest shift for you? 
Which module, which discussion? 

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Was it anagram? 
Was it values? 

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Was it boundaries? 
Was it, you know, learning more 

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about the seven forms of rest 
other than sleep? 

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Was it the self-care plan from 
the inside out where we did 

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reflection work and we did the 
thought thermostat and 

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discovered the traps in our 
mind? 

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I mean, what was the thing that 
really made an impact on you? 

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I think the biggest impact was 
when I learned through my 

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enneagram that I am a hoarder. 
I'm like, I'm a digital hoarder.

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I'm a knowledge hoarder. 
And I realized that that was 

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coming from a place of not 
being, not feeling safe. 

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Like I had, I had to gather, 
gather, gather, gather. 

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I had to have everything, have 
everything, make sure I have 

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everything. 
The Enneagram had I think it 

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just illuminated that that 
particular point. 

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It's really illuminated some of 
the other things like the 

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thought traps and the those 
things were kind of, I'd kind of

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in the back of my mind sort of 
suspected that that was going on

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And learning about those really 
helped me to to address it and 

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make adjustments and, and that 
was good, but that aneogram. 

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It's powerful and y'all, I'm 
laughing because Michelle and I 

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are both of five and she and I 
have really supported one 

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another through our our purging.
She's even inspired me to purge 

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some of my digital hoarding 
because I'm, I'm bad at that. 

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It, it was so good that Michelle
said, I guess it was back in 

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January and she we were in our 
group meeting and she said, OK, 

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well, I've done this and this. 
I cleaned up my inbox. 

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I don't have any unread things 
in my inbox. 

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Carol Jean And I was like, I bet
that feels so good. 

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I hadn't done that a long time. 
Now I'm gonna fess up to this. 

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I'll tell y'all. 
I told Michelle I was like, oh, 

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Michelle. 
I have like 3 or 4 years worth 

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of open tabs on my phone. 
It's so bad that there are no 

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longer numbers. 
There's a little sideways :) 

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because there's no place for 
digits to go. 

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And this was the thing and I had
to e-mail Michelle when I did it

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because I was really like, this 
was solidarity right here 

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together supporting one another.
And that's what the unveiler 

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community is about. 
And I got my phone and I was 

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going through them one by one 
making a decision. 

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Am I going to keep this? 
Do I need this? 

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And about 5 or 6 in, I stopped 
and I went, what are you doing, 

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Carol? 
Jim, this is crazy pants. 

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This is going to take you a 
month. 

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One by one. 
You've got so and and I even had

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tabs grouped into groups. 
There was like tabs in my. 

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Tabs y'all and. 
I told Michelle I went, am I 

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going to need this right now? 
Am I going to miss it if I 

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delete it? 
Have I looked at any of these in

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three or four years that I've 
opened and I saw stuff that I 

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was like, it didn't even load 
because the page wasn't even 

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there anymore. 
It was so old. 

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And at that point I discovered I
didn't even know this existed. 

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I was just looking for some 
tools on how I could delete some

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of this stuff. 
I discovered a delete all button

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and I just said you know what I 
am safe and I know that there is

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anything I need to look up. 
Google is not going anywhere. 

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I'll probably get new, better 
information. 

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And I hit the delete all button 
and the minute I did it, I felt 

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like physically lighter. 
I immediately messaged Michelle.

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It was like, you're not going to
believe what I did. 

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She was like, Oh my gosh, that's
like huge. 

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But I did not because of 
Michelle. 

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I did that because she was there
for me in a way that I needed. 

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And that's what's so beautiful 
about our community is that we 

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show up for each other, not just
for ourselves. 

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Oh, yeah, I really enjoy the 
group aspect, honestly, I love, 

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I love, I really love listening 
to other people. 

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I just love hearing their 
stories, listening to the tone 

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of their voice, just kind of 
tapping into where they're at. 

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And I'm so glad you did that 
purge. 

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I'm you know what it was for me 
was just like I said to myself, 

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now, Michelle, I, I, I sat 
myself down and I said, I want 

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you to be honest. 
I got a question for you. 

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I'm going to be honest. 
I want you to be really, really 

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honest. 
Can you even look at or read or 

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do something with all of those 
things? 

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Is it even possible? 
Is it? 

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Possible that's that's a quality
question. 

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Yeah. 
And I said, well, no, but I 

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wanted to be there just in case.
And then I was like, OK, but are

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you going to? 
And I was like, probably not. 

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OK, so here's the question then.
Really. 

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When you asked yourself that 
question and you got radically 

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honest with yourself, would you 
have even asked that question or

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felt comfortable saying what was
true a year ago? 

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No, no, because I was on my 
track. 

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I thought I knew what I was 
doing and I knew what I needed 

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to collect, and I was 
collecting. 

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Collecting. 
We are collecting. 

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My collections kept me safe. 
Like my collections was like, 

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OK, it's there and and I'll have
it and and I won't leave 

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anything out and I will know all
the things I have to know. 

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And and I was just like, I got 
to your place. 

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I was like, this is crazy pants.
Like maybe I don't want to know 

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all these things. 
Maybe there's only certain 

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things I want to know. 
Maybe I only want to know the 

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most impactful things. 
And you're right. 

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It's not going anywhere. 
It's not like, you know, Oh my 

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God, it's lost forever. 
Like I know it feels like that 

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at first because I, I didn't 
grow up in the digital world and

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imagine you didn't either were 
some similar to my. 

448
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,440
But there's this feeling you 
have like if you delete 

449
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,600
something, it, it's not there 
anymore and you can't get it 

450
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,680
back. 
And that's kind of a, that's 

451
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:15,920
sort of a fear thing, you know? 
But I, I just finally said, you 

452
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,480
know what? 
This isn't keeping me safe. 

453
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:23,120
It's just loading me down. 
Did you feel the same physical 

454
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,240
release that I did, or did you 
have something different? 

455
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,400
I I definitely felt a light, a 
lightness. 

456
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,080
It was like deciding to do it 
was harder than actually doing 

457
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,200
it. 
It was, it was like working my 

458
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,000
way through the decision 
process. 

459
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:51,800
It was just like, maybe I should
just keep these little things or

460
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,120
I don't know, maybe and, and I 
just and I was like, OK, stop, 

461
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,400
stop, stop, stop, stop. 
Right. 

462
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:03,480
It's so great 'cause once we did
that together and, you know, we 

463
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,480
kind of teamed up to support one
another. 

464
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,360
I created a boundary, a rule, 
and I said, OK, I'm not going to

465
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,760
have more than 10 tabs open. 
And once a week on Sundays and I

466
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,520
do the sterner alignment 
Sundays. 

467
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,800
I look and see, is there 
anything that I really need to 

468
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,760
carry over that I hadn't handled
or hadn't done anything with? 

469
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,159
And if I hadn't touched it and I
don't plan on touching it, I 

470
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:27,679
delete everything back down 
except for one thing that I 

471
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:29,239
keep. 
That's my little TV show. 

472
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:31,320
I keep up. 
That's it. 

473
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,320
But do you know that just 
knowing that we did that 

474
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:42,600
together, knowing that I feel so
much lighter physically, and 

475
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,400
then I really proved to myself 
that I didn't need all of that 

476
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,360
data. 
Yeah, it. 

477
00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:50,920
Was. 
Huge it was. 

478
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,760
Yeah, Seriously. 
Seriously. 

479
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:00,640
That wasn't and I was like 
curious decision. 

480
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,360
It was like, whoa, OK, cool. 
That wasn't I. 

481
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,160
Know and then it's just like why
didn't I do this earlier why did

482
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:06,880
I wait so long right I. 
Know. 

483
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:13,040
And he was. 
Like, well, I I had to have some

484
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,160
things happen so I could do it 
and it did. 

485
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:19,000
And then I chose right? 
Oh yeah, when the time's right, 

486
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,760
the time's right. 
It's always perfect timing. 

487
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,440
We're never late. 
We're always in perfect timing. 

488
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,800
And I, I think that ADHD part of
my brain had me fooled for so 

489
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:35,520
long because of time blindness 
and you know, all the stuff that

490
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,400
I was always behind. 
Somehow everybody else was ahead

491
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,840
of me. 
And I've learned that I'm not 

492
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,480
behind. 
I'm only behind when I start 

493
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,160
comparing myself to other 
people's highlight reel with my 

494
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,280
everyday reel. 
Yeah. 

495
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:57,360
Yeah, exactly. 
I mean, when you think about it,

496
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:58,960
behind. 
Behind what? 

497
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,800
Well, and you know, if you've 
read The Big Leap by Gay Hendrix

498
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,840
and you've looked at Einstein 
time and Newtonian time, you 

499
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,760
know that we are the masters of 
our time. 

500
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,720
So we can only be behind if we 
choose to be behind. 

501
00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:20,800
Yeah, yeah. 
We are always right on time. 

502
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,720
We are the masters of time. 
Michelle, I'm really curious, 

503
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,600
when you started to look at the 
program and you read the book, 

504
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:31,960
had you looked at other 
programs? 

505
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,720
How were they different? 
What then? 

506
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,360
What was out on the market when 
you first started looking? 

507
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:47,360
I didn't really see a lot of 
autistic coaches. 

508
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:55,400
I but I did happen across some 
ADHD coaches and I just felt 

509
00:36:55,400 --> 00:37:09,960
like they struck me as just a 
little bit more superficial and 

510
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:17,760
like more focused on tangible 
executive function kind of 

511
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:24,640
things. 
And I didn't really trust that 

512
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:33,680
that that would take me into a 
new place now because I had 

513
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,960
already, I mean, I'm always 
working on myself. 

514
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,800
So like I've done a lot of 
reading. 

515
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,480
I, you know, I watch a lot of 
videos like I'm, I'm always 

516
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:52,280
seeking, seeking. 
And I just didn't think that 

517
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:57,680
that was going to be the whole 
the whole package that I really 

518
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:04,440
needed, which was the combined 
autism and ADHD, which is such 

519
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,160
an interesting combination, 
don't you think? 

520
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,200
It it is. 
It's a beautiful combination 

521
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:16,280
when you figure out how all the 
parts work and how they work 

522
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,720
together. 
Yeah, Yeah, I think so. 

523
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:25,320
I think so I and just as I'm 
talking to you, I'm realizing 

524
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,520
now I'm like, oh, like I've 
really let go of the whole 

525
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:36,600
pathological mindset about it. 
It's like, oh, I got to fix my 

526
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,800
autism. 
I have to fix my ADHD. 

527
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,800
And you know, I got to, I like 
constantly fighting it, you 

528
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,480
know, right. 
Fighting against it and 

529
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:44,840
everything. 
I'm like, wait a minute. 

530
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,360
I don't really look at it that 
way anymore. 

531
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:58,920
It's more like, oh, I have this 
beautiful, complex brain that 

532
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:06,160
does amazing things, and maybe 
it doesn't do it the same way as

533
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,840
maybe the majority. 
I mean, I'm not going to try. 

534
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,040
I'm not trying to like put 
neurotypicals down, but you 

535
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,560
know, it's like, it's just 
different and I like it. 

536
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,800
I like it that way. 
I, I wouldn't want to be any 

537
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:29,040
other way. 
And I, I, hey, like accentuate 

538
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:32,240
the, the, the pros and minimize 
the cons. 

539
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:36,600
Isn't that what we're all doing?
Like we want to bring out, bring

540
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:42,760
out the best in ourselves And, 
and you know, if there's, if 

541
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:51,120
there is a con or a negative, 
then, you know, turn it into a 

542
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:56,600
positive. 
I'm passionately curious about 

543
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,880
it. 
Yeah, I'm just curious about it.

544
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:08,560
Yeah, it's not nearly as bad or 
negative, you know, as as you 

545
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,600
might think. 
It just was a little dicey there

546
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,120
for a while because I didn't 
have any understanding. 

547
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,080
And that's what's so sad and 
that's why I'm so thankful for 

548
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:22,840
you. 
And I just wish that you could 

549
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:27,920
be everywhere for everybody at 
because I'm thinking my poor 

550
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:33,320
little self when I was growing 
up, you know, I just, I had a 

551
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,440
very problematic family. 
It was a generational time 

552
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,280
where, you know, people were 
homogenized. 

553
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,360
Everyone had to be the same. 
You couldn't be different. 

554
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:54,680
It was very bootstrappy. 
You know if you had an idea it 

555
00:40:54,680 --> 00:41:00,200
was poo pooed or dismissed or if
you had a problem, I will get 

556
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:05,000
over it or oh you brought that 
on yourself or whatever. 

557
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:09,960
It was just a very no win 
situation. 

558
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:17,600
And then when you pile on the 
complexity that autism, the 

559
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,080
ADHD, when you pile that on and 
it's not being addressed, it's 

560
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:31,240
like then you've got more trauma
just from just from that, just 

561
00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:35,480
from from not feeling like you 
belong or knowing where you 

562
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:40,720
belong or it's silences you 
makes you small. 

563
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,920
Yeah. 
So, but now, I mean, I feel 

564
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,560
really blessed because I feel 
like culture has changed. 

565
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:56,640
We're very much more like a 
inclusive and that's I've had 

566
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,120
that discussion with the 
employment officer today and he 

567
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:04,360
was just amazing. 
I, I'm lucky, I live in Oregon 

568
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:10,000
and we're, we're very inclusive 
minded and a lot, lots of people

569
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,480
working towards more harmony in 
that area. 

570
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,680
And yeah, it doesn't have to be,
oh, you know, she's autistic, 

571
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:20,800
she's weird. 
We need to keep her over there 

572
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,320
like, or we have to take care of
her because she can't take care 

573
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:29,000
of herself, you know? 
Oh, hell no, Hell no, That's not

574
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:34,080
going to happen. 
So yeah, we we need to celebrate

575
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:38,520
all of our differences. 
And because everyone I feel has 

576
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,560
something to offer when, when I 
listen, like when I whenever and

577
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,800
I are coaching groups, I'm 
listening to people. 

578
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,960
I get so much just from just 
from listening to other 

579
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,880
perspectives. 
What are other people going 

580
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,880
through? 
How are they seeing the world? 

581
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,720
How are they experiencing the 
world? 

582
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,280
How are they responding to the 
world? 

583
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:11,000
And I just wow, I just, I just 
feel like if this kind of 

584
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:16,880
support was available for 
children in schools or things 

585
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,160
like that, you know, because who
knows what, what their home 

586
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,120
life, you know, and I can't 
fault parents. 

587
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,000
I mean, my parents, I mean, 
again, you can't know 

588
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,560
everything, but there are some 
who don't aren't really tuned 

589
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:37,840
in. 
They just, they're doing their 

590
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,240
thing. 
And you know, in some cases it's

591
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:42,520
understandable, but kids need 
help. 

592
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:48,880
I mean, I would hate, I hate the
idea of I hate the idea of of 

593
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:51,160
someone else living where I 
lived. 

594
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,960
I don't want that. 
No one should do that. 

595
00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:00,880
No one should go through that. 
I agree, Michelle, since you're 

596
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,200
coming up on your one year 
anniversary and I'm so excited, 

597
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,080
we're going to have a big 
celebration for that big moment.

598
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,080
Oh. 
Yeah, it's going to. 

599
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,680
Be great. 
It's going to be so great. 

600
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,320
What would you say is the one 
thing that this program offers 

601
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,320
the unveiling method that 
nothing else does? 

602
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,080
I mean, we've got alignment 
Sundays, we have Accelerate, you

603
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:27,200
know, we've got the rapid 
recharge left, we have all the 

604
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,920
workshops throughout the year. 
But I mean, is that different 

605
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,000
from any other program or 
anything that you've tried? 

606
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,960
What's different? 
I think, and I haven't really 

607
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,080
tried a whole lot of other 
programs, I mean. 

608
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:54,800
I would have to say that this 
program really put me in the 

609
00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:00,360
driver's seat and I don't know 
if if other programs are like 

610
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,440
that. 
I feel like most of the time, 

611
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,440
and I'm speaking from a little 
bit limited experience, but most

612
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,480
of the time I feel like it's OK.
I'm going to show you how to do 

613
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,360
your life. 
You do these three things and 

614
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,160
your life will be great, you 
know, and we'll help you do 

615
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:28,640
those three things. 
This is a journey, it's a 

616
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:36,320
discovery and it's showing you 
how to drive your own car. 

617
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,840
Could not get out. 
I'm pushing. 

618
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,480
I'm driving my own autistic car 
and it's good. 

619
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,320
I thought it was making it an 
inside joke that we had a couple

620
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,080
weeks ago in our group session. 
I said OK, y'all have come up 

621
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,400
with like the perfect analogy 
for what burnout is or how we 

622
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,200
get there. 
And it's we've been driving the 

623
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,040
car with the check engine light 
on for years. 

624
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,560
All of a sudden the car finally 
dies. 

625
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,120
We're surprised it dies, but we 
don't worry about that. 

626
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,400
We get out and we push the Dang 
car. 

627
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,720
Oh. 
God, I laughed so hard when I Oh

628
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,640
my Lord, that's our in our. 
Heels in our suit wherever we're

629
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,160
at. 
And then I love whatever, 

630
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,760
whatever Adam Baylor's layered 
in. 

631
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,880
And. 
And she's like, yeah. 

632
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,280
And then you realized there was 
an owner's manual that told you 

633
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,040
you should have changed the oil.
Yes. 

634
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:31,920
Right. 
Exactly. 

635
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,560
Yes. 
He's like, that's like all the 

636
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,480
neurotypical rules. 
Like everybody else knows, 

637
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,040
you're supposed to do that, but 
we don't know it till we're 

638
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,080
pushing the car. 
Right. 

639
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,320
I tell you, this is so perfect, 
right it? 

640
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,840
It's absolutely perfect. 
Oh God, I mean, I was, I was the

641
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,920
the perennial push through, you 
know, like never give up. 

642
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,200
You know, just if it's not 
working, work harder. 

643
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,120
You didn't do enough, you didn't
work fast enough or you didn't 

644
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,360
do this. 
You didn't do that. 

645
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:12,200
Michelle, if you had to like put
your put your hat on and really 

646
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:25,520
like side by 
Just the big differences, the 

647
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:30,600
things that really have made 
your life yours. 

648
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,640
I'm not afraid to give myself 
what I need. 

649
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,480
I'm not afraid. 
I'm not afraid to ask. 

650
00:47:53,920 --> 00:48:00,200
I'm not afraid. 
I'm just not afraid. 

651
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:10,100
I'm not afraid to be me, and I'm
not afraid to ask scary 

652
00:48:10,100 --> 00:48:19,360
questions. 
Yeah, I would have to say that's

653
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:24,840
that's really that's really 
sitting at the core now, because

654
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:33,120
I think before there's this, I 
had this like tight fist of 

655
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:38,000
control and I was afraid, you 
know, that if I didn't do AB and

656
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,120
C just perfectly, that I would 
fall apart. 

657
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,440
And I found out that that is not
true. 

658
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:51,400
It's not true. 
You know, sometimes you tell 

659
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,600
yourself things. 
That's why you have to keep 

660
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,000
asking the questions. 
Like let's make sure. 

661
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,440
Like I know you're thinking and 
feeling that right now, but 

662
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:04,400
let's make sure because 
sometimes we, I, I feel like I 

663
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:11,080
told myself things that no, 
that's, that's just what you 

664
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,080
told yourself to, to make 
yourself feel safer. 

665
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,760
Because isn't it's easy right to
say, Oh, well, if I just do AB 

666
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,080
and C, I'll be fine. 
Like that's the easy, that's the

667
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,640
easy thing. 
It's easy to say it, but not 

668
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:32,280
only is it hard to do, it's it 
doesn't it doesn't result in in 

669
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,560
the outcomes that you're you're 
craving and wanting doesn't do 

670
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,000
those things. 
All the things you thought were 

671
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,400
keeping you safe are not keeping
you safe. 

672
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:47,800
They're just holding you back. 
Oh, that, that was a big 

673
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,560
awareness point when I 
recognized that too. 

674
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,160
Michelle, you said something 
really important and I'd love to

675
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,680
unpack it a little bit. 
You said, now I know what I 

676
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,800
need. 
But if I'd asked you a year ago,

677
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,560
Michelle, what do you need? 
What would you have told me? 

678
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,240
Yeah, I probably would have said
I don't know. 

679
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,160
Right. 
I was so bad. 

680
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:10,880
I mean. 
That's I think what, what we all

681
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,440
say, I don't know. 
I don't know what I need. 

682
00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:18,200
But today when you ask yourself 
what do I need? 

683
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,080
How do you know what you need? 
How do I know? 

684
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:38,700
How do I know what I need 
Well? 

685
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,480
I don't know. 
I just know because it feels 

686
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,440
good. 
Like it feels good when I, when 

687
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:57,600
I get that thing that I need, 
the autonomy, the zone of 

688
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:01,920
safety, the optimum steady 
state. 

689
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:08,560
Like when I have those things, I
can manage conflict. 

690
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:17,960
I can feel more open and 
expansive about my future. 

691
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,520
I can enjoy my little things 
that I like to do that make me 

692
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:32,200
feel good. 
There's no angst, you know I. 

693
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,360
Remember you sending me a 
message and then in one of our 

694
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:39,520
groups and you were like that 
question, Carol Jean? 

695
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:41,840
I've never asked it. 
Now I'm paying attention. 

696
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:44,200
I'm asking myself, what do I 
need in this moment? 

697
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,400
Yeah. 
And you were getting really 

698
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:54,840
compassionately curious. 
Do you think that because you've

699
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,640
been curious enough to just 
pause for a minute and ask, what

700
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,360
do I need? 
And in the program, we've gone 

701
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,920
through so many different ways 
for you to experience different 

702
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,120
types of energy and things that 
you have a point of reference to

703
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,200
go, well, I don't know what I 
need, but I'm going to ask the 

704
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,760
question and I'm kind of kind of
go through the forms of rest and

705
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,320
we'll go through like, do it. 
Let me see if I breathe this 

706
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,600
time, how does it affect me? 
And did those types of things 

707
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,760
really help you so you could 
answer what do I need right now?

708
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:32,320
Oh, yeah, 100%. 
And I've noticed a change 

709
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,760
because a year ago, even the 
smallest things I would have no 

710
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:42,560
clue about like, and my husband 
said, oh, well, what movie do 

711
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,120
you want to watch or what 
restaurant do you want to go to 

712
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,400
or what do you want to do 
tonight or just little things 

713
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,920
like that. 
I would just come up blank, you 

714
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,360
know, like I just, and I, I 
realized that at least part of 

715
00:52:55,360 --> 00:53:00,280
it was just a lifetime of going 
along to get along. 

716
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,040
Let's, let's do what this person
wants because that's what they 

717
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,520
want and let's make them happy. 
Let's make them feel good. 

718
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,640
Let's, you know, let's do what 
they want or whatever, or let's 

719
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,640
not make waves. 
Let's not get all complicated 

720
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:22,000
about, you know, I know, I know 
I've done that to myself. 

721
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:27,480
I can, I can remember thinking 
back, I have done that a lot and

722
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,920
some of it is just like, it's 
too hard. 

723
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,880
I don't want to figure it out. 
It's just easier. 

724
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:37,200
It's just easier to go along 
with whatever. 

725
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:42,840
But now the program, I think 
it's just really given me the 

726
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:48,480
safety that I needed to, to go 
ahead and ask and then it's OK 

727
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:53,040
and I don't have to feel guilty 
and it's OK for me to have 

728
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,640
needs. 
Everyone has needs. 

729
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,880
Why are why are my needs, you 
know, down here? 

730
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:01,960
And everyone else is what's 
what's up with that? 

731
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:10,240
That's that's crazy pants. 
So now I, it's it's great 

732
00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:14,040
because now if someone asks me a
question, I'll be like, 

733
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,800
sometimes I know the answer 
right away and it's very clear 

734
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,240
and precise. 
And then other times I'm like, I

735
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:24,840
don't know, let me get back to 
you. 

736
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,640
I'm going to think about that 
for a minute. 

737
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:33,400
Or, you know, whatever it might 
be, I just, I feel in control, 

738
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,680
Like I can answer it the way I 
want to answer it. 

739
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:44,720
And I, I get to be at the table 
with everyone else. 

740
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,640
And if I don't look like 
everyone else, or if I'm not 

741
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,720
doing what everyone else is 
doing, So what? 

742
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,040
So what? 
I mean, if it's that much of a 

743
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,320
problem. 
Those two words are pretty 

744
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,720
powerful. 
So what? 

745
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,440
Yeah, yeah. 
I mean, if you don't like 

746
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,120
hanging out with me, then go 
hang out with somebody else. 

747
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:15,200
Yeah, I mean, we, we've been 
through a year of all kinds of 

748
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:20,520
things together from family 
changes, friend changes, animal 

749
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:26,040
changes, all of this stuff. 
And we we came into the room 

750
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,960
together and we were back in the
green room talking before we hit

751
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,720
record today. 
You were sharing with me your 

752
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:38,480
experience on Monday, and you 
were just describing how it 

753
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,760
felt. 
And I said, Michelle, do you 

754
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:46,920
know what that is? 
You're like what, Carol Jean, 

755
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:55,600
what, what are you feeling now? 
What is the experience in your 

756
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:58,360
life? 
Because we heard what, what you,

757
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,360
what you felt like, what you 
were saying there. 

758
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,200
All the arrows were coming at 
you. 

759
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,680
Everything was going out. 
Nothing was coming in. 

760
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,760
And you were just overwhelmed 
and it just didn't feel good. 

761
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,080
You had flames drawing some big 
flames. 

762
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,640
If you were mad. 
I mean, I, I, I did that. 

763
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,560
What, what do you write and 
draw? 

764
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:30,080
What do you feel today? 
Oh, I just have such an enormous

765
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:39,800
gratitude, just the deepest 
gratitude that that I've ever 

766
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:52,220
had in my life. 
I, I've learned how to, how to 

767
00:56:52,220 --> 00:56:57,840
love myself. 
I never knew how to do that. 

768
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:10,480
Now I do and it feels great. 
It feels marvelous, darling. 

769
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:17,840
I mean, sometimes, you know, you
people, there's people in your 

770
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,200
life that like kind of give you 
the impression that you know, 

771
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:25,200
somehow you don't deserve those 
things for whatever reason. 

772
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:33,040
And that's unfortunate. 
That's really unfortunate. 

773
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:44,680
So, but you know, I've had my 
experience with you to show me 

774
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:52,000
something new. 
So just really, I'm feeling 

775
00:57:52,000 --> 00:58:03,600
really, really grateful right 
now and just, I feel, I don't 

776
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:08,800
know, it's this weird calm and 
peace, like whatever comes, I'm 

777
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:13,800
good. 
I'm still me. 

778
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,800
The core is good. 
The core is good, really good. 

779
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,240
So whatever else happens out 
there is just that's what 

780
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:33,360
happens and. 
A year ago, when you started 

781
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:41,200
Foundation Builder, could you 
imagine that you would even 

782
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,280
experience or feel the way you 
feel today? 

783
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,480
Did you think or know that this 
was possible? 

784
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:53,400
Hell no, I don't know. 
Absolutely not. 

785
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,080
I, I thought, oh, I'm finally 
going to like get my shit 

786
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,320
together. 
You know, like I feel like 

787
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,480
having my executive function 
under control. 

788
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,240
I was like, it was all about 
lining in myself up, right? 

789
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,400
Like get yourself in line, you 
know, get yourself together. 

790
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,840
You know, it was, it was all of 
that bootstrapping and whip 

791
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:14,400
crack. 
Oh my God, I was such a whip 

792
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:20,880
cracker on yourself thing right 
now, because it was just 

793
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:27,480
completely and utterly ludicrous
how whip cracking I was and but 

794
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:32,400
you know, I I've I did the work,
I did the reflection, I 

795
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:38,520
connected the dots and I figured
out, Oh, that's why I think like

796
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:43,880
that and that's why I treat 
myself that way and it you know 

797
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,840
it, but it's all good. 
It's like I, I addressed it, I 

798
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:54,600
went back and fixed it. 
And if I had not gone through 

799
00:59:54,600 --> 01:00:00,920
all of that trauma, I wouldn't 
be sitting here with you having 

800
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:05,000
this lovely conversation. 
Yeah. 

801
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,840
So now you know one of the 
questions I asked you when I 

802
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,720
said, Michelle, do you know what
this is? 

803
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:13,920
And I said, and you said, no, 
what is it? 

804
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:18,800
And I said, this is self with a 
capital S This is you 

805
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:25,320
experiencing peace and being in 
your personal power. 

806
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:39,680
That's just gold. 
And that is something now that 

807
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,760
you've experienced, now that you
claimed it, because you did, 

808
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,080
it's been yours the whole time 
it's been there. 

809
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:50,400
The whole time. 
It's been inside of you covered 

810
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:56,600
up. 
Do you feel like that this was a

811
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,560
process to go through the 
unveiling method And I, I think 

812
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,920
I named it pretty well. 
I mean, you let me know. 

813
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:07,000
It's so funny you say that 
because I've several times this 

814
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,920
week I've been thinking, you 
know, that is such a good name 

815
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:18,320
for this program. 
I am totally I I unveiling yes, 

816
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:23,160
and it's a lifetime process like
and now I'm like all excited. 

817
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:28,520
What else am I going to unveil? 
Like I'm all hooked, I'm all 

818
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,040
hooked. 
I'm. 

819
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:33,760
Hooked. 
I'll tell you 5, five years out 

820
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,800
because November 2019 was when I
got into that place of 

821
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,560
sustainable energy where I was 
out of burnout. 

822
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,920
I was not shutting down, I was 
not melting down, and it was 

823
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:48,440
consistent and I felt good 
consistently. 

824
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:53,840
And I will tell you that when 
you describe to me back in the 

825
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,880
green room how you were feeling 
and what you were, how you were 

826
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:05,120
just experiencing your day on 
Monday, and I was hearing your 

827
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:09,520
words and I was remembering. 
I remember when I started to 

828
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:14,800
feel that way. 
And I asked you, Michelle, how's

829
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,720
your sleep? 
Yeah. 

830
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:22,400
How's your sleep, Michelle? 
Yeah, well, I don't know. 

831
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,440
For everyone listening, I 
struggle with sleep. 

832
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:33,720
You know, for a long time I was 
like getting up at 2:00 in the 

833
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:37,520
morning and it was awful, just 
awful. 

834
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,120
Like I had no trouble falling 
asleep. 

835
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:40,720
I could just couldn't stay 
asleep. 

836
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:50,720
And now I'm consistently getting
at least six hours with maybe 1 

837
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,640
interruption. 
But I would have to say that 

838
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:57,600
more, more and more, it's more 
like 6 1/2 seven. 

839
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,000
It's like creeping up to get a 
little bit longer, a little bit 

840
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,840
longer and I feel like even last
night I think I I hit 8 hours 

841
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:10,360
so. 
What I loved is when I asked 

842
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,440
you, I was like, and you were 
like, huh, hang on. 

843
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,720
And you started to think about 
it and I was like, it'll creep 

844
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:16,520
in. 
Is it creep? 

845
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,320
Is it creeping in yet? 
You're like, Oh my gosh, it's 

846
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,640
creeping. 
It is creeping. 

847
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,520
That's. 
That's how it happens. 

848
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,200
I mean, sleeps the first thing 
to go offline. 

849
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:30,440
It's the last thing to come back
online when you're out of 

850
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,920
burnout. 
How exciting does that feel 

851
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:37,680
because you were a Habanero 4? 
In a high. 

852
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,040
Degree of heat? 
Yeah, a year ago. 

853
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,120
Yeah, it's, I don't know if it's
time blindness or what, but that

854
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:50,480
just seems so long ago now and. 
You're a whole. 

855
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,440
New woman I am. 
I am a completely different. 

856
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,400
I'm like, I'm just, I'm a whole 
new animal. 

857
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,840
All right, so I'm going to ask 
the question that I asked myself

858
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,560
when I got to this place. 
Michelle, do you like you now? 

859
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,640
I love me. 
That's even better. 

860
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,440
You know, you know what? 
I'm so funny that you say that 

861
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:19,480
because I've noticed in the 
last, I'd say two or three weeks

862
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:25,200
now, every once in a while in my
thoughts and in my ruminations 

863
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:31,360
or whatever, I find myself 
saying I like myself and I'm 

864
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,240
looking in the mirror and I'm 
going I like you. 

865
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,720
And I've been in, it's been 
showing up in my journals and 

866
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:44,480
I'm bit and I've been very 
specific to like, I like certain

867
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,320
things, like I like this about 
me or whatever. 

868
01:04:47,320 --> 01:04:52,640
And I just listing it off and it
when it happened, it was so 

869
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:58,440
natural and it was just so free 
because in the beginning, Oh my 

870
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:02,000
God, I just could not do it. 
Oh, when you started reflection 

871
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:06,200
work? 
Oh God, Oh God, Carol, it's. 

872
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:10,320
Painful, right? 
I had this. 

873
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,160
One journey, everybody's mad at 
me when they all get to that 

874
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,440
first one. 
What's that? 

875
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:19,080
Everybody gets mad at me when 
they get to reflection work in 

876
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:20,720
in the self-care plan from the 
inside out. 

877
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:22,640
They're like Carol. 
Jake, this is horrible. 

878
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:31,880
Oh, yeah, no, I there's just, I 
remember feeling that hard 

879
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:36,160
resistance, really hard. 
Like I had this one journal that

880
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,280
was that it was like a it had 
questions in it and it's 

881
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,800
supposed to help you like 
yourself or something. 

882
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:51,760
And, and I just had so much 
resistance and like, even if, 

883
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:57,120
even if I managed to write 
something down positive about 

884
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:02,760
myself, it did not feel good. 
It just felt contrived and 

885
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:08,800
forced and whatever. 
But you know, I'm going to be 

886
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,680
honest, Carol, I was at at a 
level 4 habanero. 

887
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,760
I was so desperate. 
I was like, I'm, I'm doing 

888
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:16,880
everything I need to do to get 
out of this. 

889
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:22,440
This is terrible. 
And I did the reflection work 

890
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:28,560
for a week and I noticed a small
shift and then I moved on to 

891
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:33,120
other things because I'm ADHD. 
But you know that default mode 

892
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:38,920
network, it never stops. 
And I'm telling you, when the 

893
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:43,880
time was right, it just came up 
and it just started rolling off.

894
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,840
And I was like, wow, this is 
different. 

895
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,080
I didn't even have to. 
I didn't have to tell myself to 

896
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,560
do it. 
I didn't feel resistance. 

897
01:06:53,600 --> 01:07:05,240
I didn't feel yucky. 
I it just was, Yeah, girl, not 

898
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:09,720
in a ugly, prideful way either. 
It was just genuine, you know, 

899
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,440
like joyful. 
Joyful. 

900
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,360
As if like how I would love 
someone else you know so. 

901
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:21,880
What I really have loved 
watching in your journey has 

902
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:27,360
been that you really embraced 
the process when I said, listen,

903
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:30,640
you don't even have to do 
anything. 

904
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,680
And I think you like, I think I 
broke your brain for a minute 

905
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:35,800
when I said, Michelle, you don't
have to do anything. 

906
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,960
If you get to the module or you 
get to this workbook and all you

907
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,280
do is just look at it and you 
look at it in a couple of 

908
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,400
chunks. 
You don't have to do anything. 

909
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:51,440
It's already doing its work. 
And when you're ready, it'll 

910
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,720
show up. 
And you looked at me like I had 

911
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:57,600
just sprung a third eye and 
turned colors. 

912
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:02,520
I will not forget that. 
Carol Jean, you have definitely 

913
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:09,120
broken my brain. 
Couple of times, but not in bad 

914
01:08:09,120 --> 01:08:11,280
ways, in fun ways, right? 
Oh no. 

915
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:14,040
Oh no, absolutely not. 
No. 

916
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:19,720
Do you feel like this has been 
from the beginning? 

917
01:08:20,279 --> 01:08:22,120
Because to me, this is really 
important. 

918
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:24,520
And so I asked this question 
because I want to know what your

919
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:28,960
experience has been. 
My intention with this is that 

920
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,640
you have known from the 
beginning, whether you believed 

921
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:39,279
it yet or not, but you, you know
it and you begin to see it that 

922
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:41,479
this is your life. 
You're the leader. 

923
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:46,800
And through the whole entire 
process, did you feel like you 

924
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:50,880
were in charge of what you did 
and how you did it? 

925
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:59,120
Yeah, yeah, I really did. 
And now that you say that, that.

926
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:04,040
Oh OK, I get. 
That now I just break your brain

927
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:06,040
again. 
You broke my brain because I'm 

928
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:13,359
like, oh guess what? 
My PDA didn't activate right? 

929
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:23,479
Oh no, I was totally committed. 
I and, and also, but also not 

930
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:27,040
guilty either. 
Like if for some reason I didn't

931
01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:30,240
get enough work done or what I 
thought I should have got done, 

932
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:35,800
I didn't have any guilt. 
And you know, I, I just thought 

933
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,880
I've already done so much and 
I've already gotten like 1000 

934
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:45,600
times more back and I know that 
I won't drop it. 

935
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:52,200
I, I didn't, I trusted because 
sometimes I get a little leery 

936
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:55,280
because I'm like, oh God, is 
this, am I going to fall off the

937
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:59,840
wagon and not finish or, you 
know, drop some ball or 

938
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,240
something? 
I'm like, no, I was just like, 

939
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:04,600
hell no, girl, that ain't going 
to happen. 

940
01:10:05,440 --> 01:10:07,720
It it's. 
I remember you asking yourself, 

941
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,680
like, you were sharing that and 
you were like, I'm scared that 

942
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,680
I'll fall off the wagon and then
you like, inertia will kick in. 

943
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,400
And if I don't keep doing this, 
then I'm not going to do it. 

944
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:24,320
I'm going to forget about it. 
No, it just felt so natural. 

945
01:10:25,360 --> 01:10:28,200
And I, yeah, I totally felt in 
control. 

946
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,520
I felt in complete control. 
I could do it as much or as 

947
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:40,520
little however I wanted like. 
And look. 

948
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:43,720
Didn't feel overwhelming because
I, I just thought, well, you 

949
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:48,560
know, I'll, when I'm ready to 
receive it, I'll receive it and,

950
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,440
and I can do you know, that come
through it again. 

951
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,640
Right. 
But so do you now trust that you

952
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,640
will still get where you're 
going and look, you got even 

953
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,280
further than where you thought 
you would be? 

954
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:06,720
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I got way 
further I. 

955
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:10,120
Think I remember in office hours
when I had sent the message out 

956
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:14,200
that said you don't have to have
done anything. 

957
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:16,920
I don't care if you looked at 
this module, I don't care if you

958
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:18,480
did this workshop. 
Just show up. 

959
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:21,440
Just show up for you. 
You don't have to do anything. 

960
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,120
And I think when that happened, 
I remember you getting on the 

961
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:29,120
call and you said thank you for 
giving me permission, for me to 

962
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:33,000
give myself permission. 
Like right you. 

963
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:36,440
Were like, thank you for helping
me give myself permission 

964
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,160
because you were like, I wasn't 
going to show up because I 

965
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:43,400
hadn't done anything. 
That was real early on. 

966
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:50,880
That was like August. 
Yeah, I, I, to be honest, I, I 

967
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:54,160
wouldn't have missed. 
I don't think I I would ever met

968
01:11:54,200 --> 01:12:00,080
I if except for that one time I 
chose Dairy Queen over you, 

969
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,760
Carol. 
I was so proud of you for 

970
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,520
choosing Dairy Queen over me 
too, because that was a big 

971
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,640
moment. 
When you sent me that e-mail, it

972
01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:11,280
just made my heart so happy. 
It was so funny because I was 

973
01:12:11,400 --> 01:12:16,440
like, how did I let that happen?
Like I clearly I needed the rest

974
01:12:16,440 --> 01:12:21,040
and the recharge and the pause 
and and it was just great 

975
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,360
because I didn't even realize it
till the next morning. 

976
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:29,560
And then I was like, that's OK. 
I, I clearly I chose what I 

977
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,560
needed for that moment. 
And it wasn't, it wasn't a, 

978
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:35,240
there was no angst around it or 
anything. 

979
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:38,600
It was no. 
Shame Storm, you were actually 

980
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:40,840
excited about doing it, and I 
loved that. 

981
01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:43,960
I just and it was just such a 
serendipity thing. 

982
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:47,160
It was so hilarious because I 
had been thinking about it. 

983
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:50,320
My husband, I said, I really 
don't want to cook dinner. 

984
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,640
I want to go to Dairy Queen and 
get a Oreo Blizzard. 

985
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,320
Like it was just a very clear 
idea. 

986
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,440
Like I knew specifically what I 
wanted. 

987
01:12:58,440 --> 01:13:02,520
And then he came down and he's 
like, hey, do you want to be 

988
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:04,720
naughty? 
Do you want to like go to Dairy 

989
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:08,200
Queen or something? 
And I was like, hey, you've been

990
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:11,360
in my brain. 
You see, like I am down for 

991
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,040
that. 
I would never go very clean. 

992
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,800
How did the How did he know I 
was thinking, 'cause I hadn't 

993
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:18,520
said it out loud. 
I swear I have I'm. 

994
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:22,000
Telling you your thoughts have 
great power. 

995
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,760
They do. 
They really Do. 

996
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,800
They really. 
Do I'm still trying to figure it

997
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:32,960
out like wait what? 
They really do, Michelle, as we 

998
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:33,760
wrap. 
Up. 

999
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:39,080
For whoever's listening today, 
and maybe they're in that place 

1000
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:41,400
where they feel like all the 
arrows are coming at them. 

1001
01:13:41,480 --> 01:13:44,640
Maybe they're feeling the rage 
and all of the things you were 

1002
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:49,640
feeling this time last year. 
What do you want them to know 

1003
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,600
about what's possible? 
What's important from your heart

1004
01:13:54,600 --> 01:14:05,830
to theirs right now? 
Things aren't always as they 

1005
01:14:05,830 --> 01:14:15,080
seem. 
Try not to immediately go to 

1006
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:21,480
that judgement that all is lost,
that despair. 

1007
01:14:21,480 --> 01:14:27,400
It's a terrible feeling. 
It's just, you know, and, and 

1008
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:30,480
it's like, I just know that 
feeling every day after day, 

1009
01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:34,280
like, oh God, am I going to 
crash again? 

1010
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:39,280
Am I going to fail again or how 
am I ever going to get out of 

1011
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,520
this hole? 
When am I ever going to do 

1012
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:50,640
anything good in my life and 
just sit with it? 

1013
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:56,840
Just sit with it because I 
really do. 

1014
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:03,120
I really do think so. 
Whatever your body and your mind

1015
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:06,520
is trying to tell you in that 
moment, it's important. 

1016
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,560
You should give it attention. 
Just listen. 

1017
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:18,920
Don't try to solve it, you know,
don't even try to know. 

1018
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:22,280
Know it completely. 
Just be in it. 

1019
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:29,240
Be in that moment and feel it 
and know that you're safe. 

1020
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:34,040
You're safe. 
It's OK to be down. 

1021
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:37,880
It's OK to be burned out. 
You will. 

1022
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:46,320
You will figure it out. 
You just have to be quiet and 

1023
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:51,680
let it happen. 
Because I tell you what, Trying 

1024
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:58,800
to fight your way out? 
No, that's that takes energy, 

1025
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:04,720
fighting takes energy and it's 
just not energy well spent. 

1026
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:17,480
So it's interesting it, it seems
so simple, but at least in my 

1027
01:16:17,480 --> 01:16:23,120
experience, I know every time 
I've done that for myself, when,

1028
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:26,240
because I have, I still 
sometimes will go into that, 

1029
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:33,520
that dark cave of Oh my God. 
But now, now I am aware of it 

1030
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,960
and I'm like, oh, OK, it's cave 
time. 

1031
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:44,080
And it's not as scary. 
It's just, it's like, oh, OK, so

1032
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,720
that's so there's some negative 
things here or there's some 

1033
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:51,200
things that don't feel right, or
maybe there's some fear, maybe 

1034
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:55,400
there's some anxiety. 
Let's experience that. 

1035
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,360
Let's find out what we can about
that. 

1036
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:05,800
Ask questions, but be kind, be 
kind. 

1037
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:13,280
I, I heard this, there was this 
trauma therapist I listened to 

1038
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:19,320
once and she was like, when she 
does her journaling, like, if 

1039
01:17:19,320 --> 01:17:26,560
you like yourself, be kind. 
If you don't like yourself, be 

1040
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:30,880
kinder. 
And I just thought that was such

1041
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,520
a nice overlap with what we 
learn in this program. 

1042
01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:40,920
You know, it's such a simple 
thing, but for some reason, I 

1043
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,640
feel like somehow we end up 
denying ourselves. 

1044
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:51,080
Somehow we end up denying our 
own selves the kindness that we 

1045
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:53,720
would give to others in a 
heartbeat. 

1046
01:17:57,440 --> 01:17:59,480
And you know what? 
Life is up and down. 

1047
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:08,360
It is up and down. 
So who's to say the down doesn't

1048
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:10,160
have as much for you to learn as
the? 

1049
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:15,360
Well, you have witnessed my ups 
and my downs. 

1050
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:22,400
This year, yeah, yeah, you've 
had just had tornadoes, You had 

1051
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,160
the the putts that. 
Yep. 

1052
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:30,360
Kind of activated again. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1053
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:36,440
I don't know that's, but that 
was exactly what you just. 

1054
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:40,080
Shared. 
I did it with the unveiling 

1055
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,000
method. 
I did it with the same things 

1056
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:48,720
that you've learned this year, 
and I did it with our accelerate

1057
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:52,000
circle. 
I showed up and I shared with 

1058
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,200
y'all. 
We have such a, we have such a 

1059
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:57,560
good. 
Group, we do, we do. 

1060
01:18:57,560 --> 01:18:59,640
It's so it's such a special 
space. 

1061
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:02,520
It really, really is. 
I love it. 

1062
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:07,280
I do too. 
I miss it when, when we have, 

1063
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,080
you know, things going on or we 
don't have something that week. 

1064
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,160
I I definitely miss it. 
I miss you all. 

1065
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,040
Michelle, what's next for you? 
What are you dreaming? 

1066
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:20,240
Because you know, that was one 
of the things you shared when we

1067
01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:25,040
got on the call today and you're
like, Oh, I just, I was just 

1068
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,920
noticing the rhythm of the car 
and I was like, you know what 

1069
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:29,800
that is, right? 
You're like, no girl, Gene, what

1070
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:30,720
is that? 
I was like, you're in the 

1071
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:38,960
present moment, remember? 
And you're just like, whoa, not 

1072
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,800
living in the past, not living 
in the future, living in the 

1073
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:45,360
present moment because it's in 
the present moment where we 

1074
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:48,120
create. 
So now that you're in the 

1075
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,640
present moment, you know what 
that feels like? 

1076
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,960
You are in the power of the 
present moment. 

1077
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:58,800
What is your heart calling you 
to create next? 

1078
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:11,440
Well, I'd love to create safe 
spaces for other people. 

1079
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:33,680
I, I've got like the heavy life 
stuff, you know, like get a job,

1080
01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:38,000
get out of debt, save up for 
retirement, all of that. 

1081
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:44,440
Like I get that, but in my 
heart, I sort of feel like 

1082
01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:52,960
trying to, to knock that out 
directly is, is not going to be 

1083
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,800
the way. 
I feel like there's another path

1084
01:20:55,920 --> 01:21:00,920
to get there and it's going to 
involve. 

1085
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:21,330
It's going to involve letting go
of of some more fear, fear of 

1086
01:21:23,330 --> 01:21:29,730
fear of, I don't know, the brain
is amazing how how it can 

1087
01:21:29,730 --> 01:21:33,050
generate fear. 
It's just, I have so many 

1088
01:21:33,050 --> 01:21:36,640
questions around that, like how 
can you be afraid of so many 

1089
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,280
things that haven't even 
happened? 

1090
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:40,320
You don't even know what 
happened, but you're still 

1091
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:53,120
afraid of them? 
I want to let that go, let that 

1092
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:59,560
fear just not necessarily 
disappear, but just have less 

1093
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:04,600
importance. 
And I want my dream. 

1094
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:10,880
Yeah, Yeah, that's it. 
I want the kind. 

1095
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:15,400
Of I mean dangerous snake is a 
good healthy fear it serves. 

1096
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,680
Us, right, Right. 
Yeah. 

1097
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:24,800
But only if we're in the 
presence of it, right? 

1098
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:28,480
So we have that differentiator. 
I see where you're going with 

1099
01:22:28,480 --> 01:22:30,800
this. 
Yeah. 

1100
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:37,560
It's it's just, it's like, I 
don't know what the next thing 

1101
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:43,560
is necessarily, but I have this 
like sort of, I don't. 

1102
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:45,760
Think you do? 
Feeling like it's going to be 

1103
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:50,960
amazing, you know, like I'm just
almost too amazing, you know 

1104
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,120
what I mean? 
Like it's just kind of fluttery 

1105
01:22:53,120 --> 01:23:00,600
and and sparkly and I just. 
That's that self energy, that 

1106
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:05,240
present moment, that personal 
power of creation. 

1107
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:09,440
Because the first thing you said
was I want to create safe spaces

1108
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:13,080
for other people. 
Yeah. 

1109
01:23:15,040 --> 01:23:18,640
I can't wait for us to have our 
Thrive destination statement. 

1110
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,640
Oh my God, I can't wait. 
Flush them together. 

1111
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,440
That's going to be really fun 
because that's going to take 

1112
01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:30,080
what you just shared, put it 
together in this really 

1113
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:36,440
beautiful statement that you can
start crafting and sharing 

1114
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:38,560
really feeling into. 
Yeah, so. 

1115
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,920
That's process. 
You said it. 

1116
01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:47,480
That's exactly what's next for 
me is really drilling down into 

1117
01:23:47,480 --> 01:23:50,040
that. 
My first my first Thrive 

1118
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:55,200
destination statement was things
just saw her and I just AM. 

1119
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:58,600
It's a good. 
Place to start? 

1120
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:02,640
I think I reached that. 
Things just are and I just am. 

1121
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:05,920
So boom, time for a new one. 
Look what you. 

1122
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,080
Created. 
Look what you created, though. 

1123
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:15,520
I know you set the intention 
That, my friend, is powerful. 

1124
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:20,040
Thank you so much for agreeing 
to come on and share your 

1125
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:24,400
journey, your experiences, and 
some of those really, you know, 

1126
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:29,320
sometimes tender moments along 
the way with everyone today 

1127
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:33,440
because I know that that's 
something that I would have 

1128
01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:37,160
liked to have heard. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1129
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:43,720
Oh God, yeah. 
I'm thrilled Beyond thrill, 

1130
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:47,000
beyond words to to be in this 
conversation with you, Owen. 

1131
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,600
It was not a hard decision to 
make at all. 

1132
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:57,560
I was honored is. 
This to your friends. 

1133
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:05,080
Oh God, I yes I would. 
I would. 

1134
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:11,640
I would recommend it to school 
districts and I think we need it

1135
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:15,520
everywhere. 
Strangers on the street, 

1136
01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:18,040
perhaps? 
Yeah, yeah. 

1137
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:20,840
Hey, you, you want to be in the 
unfailing method? 

1138
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:27,120
Come on. 
Michelle, thank you for being 

1139
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:28,560
here. 
Thank you for sharing your 

1140
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:31,680
heart, sharing your journey. 
Thank you, Carol. 

1141
01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:38,480
And really standing here 
proverbially in this moment with

1142
01:25:38,480 --> 01:25:46,840
you is it means so much to me 
because from a personal 

1143
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:57,120
standpoint, we are living my 
Thrive destination statement and

1144
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:04,800
to have you in that is just the 
most incredible blessing and 

1145
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,200
gift in my life. 
Thank you. 

1146
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:19,880
Oh, Carol, I'm just sitting in 
that. 

1147
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:29,400
Me too. 
I'm I, I OK, I'm going to draw. 

1148
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:31,040
I'm going to make a picture for 
you. 

1149
01:26:31,160 --> 01:26:36,680
So here's the picture. 
You and I are at the top of a 

1150
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:41,080
mountain sitting down and we 
have our and we're looking out 

1151
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:44,680
on the Vista and we're we have 
our arms around each other and 

1152
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:52,400
we're just checking it out. 
Yeah, we're taking a moment to 

1153
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:57,480
pause and appreciate the rare 
air at the top of the mountain. 

1154
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:04,120
Yeah, yeah. 
And as we enjoy it, as we settle

1155
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:11,040
into it, as we fully receive 
what it feels like to be here, 

1156
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:18,240
that beautiful sparkle comes and
that excitement of creation 

1157
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:23,080
comes, and we laugh and we look 
at each other and we go, Now 

1158
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:30,360
which one's the next one? 
Yeah, Lookout world. 

1159
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:34,000
What? 
Looks fun, right? 

1160
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:42,520
Thank you for that. 
Yeah, yeah, I. 

1161
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:47,280
Think a year of meditations. 
Is I don't quite have the words 

1162
01:27:47,320 --> 01:27:53,360
for this, they said. 
This is a very tender, just a 

1163
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,200
very tender feeling. 
I don't quite have the words. 

1164
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:03,160
That's all. 
Right, that the words, I, 

1165
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:07,800
there's probably a word out 
there, but I, I don't know what 

1166
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:13,360
that is yet. 
It has to be a very special 

1167
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:18,480
word, obviously. 
Well, if anybody comes up with a

1168
01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:24,840
really great word, it'll be you.
You come up with really good 

1169
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:27,520
ones. 
I'll search high and low. 

1170
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,520
Nah, the DMN is going to deliver
it while you're in the bath. 

1171
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,720
There you go, hot dog. 
That's a fact. 

1172
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:43,080
I love default network DMN. 
Is that what we're calling it? 

1173
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:44,320
I love that thing. 
Oh God. 

1174
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:47,840
It is. 
It's a it is like the most 

1175
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:55,440
underutilized part of our brain 
other than BDNF, brain derived 

1176
01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:59,000
neurotropic factor. 
Oh, OK, Whoa. 

1177
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:04,640
We'll play around with that one.
It'll be fun. 

1178
01:29:07,400 --> 01:29:10,360
We're always doing a little 
science, little experiment, a 

1179
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:13,720
little play, a little heart. 
We we kind of. 

1180
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:16,240
Roll it all in, don't we? 
Oh, I love it. 

1181
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:18,440
I love it because you never 
know, right? 

1182
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:23,280
You just have to track things. 
We don't we we show up and we 

1183
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:26,560
just see where it takes us every
week. 

1184
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:31,120
Yeah, yeah. 
It's a a journey, sometimes a 

1185
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:36,960
surprise, always an adventure. 
Yeah. 

1186
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:40,280
Yeah. 
And we always get to know who we

1187
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:44,080
are a little more. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1188
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:47,320
But I mean, there's always more 
to know. 

1189
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:53,200
Always, thank God, because 
otherwise, I mean, what a sad 

1190
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:55,440
thing come to the end. 
Yeah, right. 

1191
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,280
It's never boring. 
And you know what I love is that

1192
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:02,560
we get to learn more about each 
other, too. 

1193
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:06,880
Yeah. 
And our, our support, our 

1194
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:12,400
network, our our friendships are
always growing and developing 

1195
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:15,480
too, which is very nice. 
I really love that. 

1196
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:23,160
Yeah, we have our net. 
Nobody falls off the trapeze 

1197
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:28,320
without all four corners. 
There she goes. 

1198
01:30:29,480 --> 01:30:30,960
We got you. 
Don't worry, don't worry. 

1199
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:36,520
That's so true. 
I feel like there's plenty of 

1200
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:42,200
elbow room and plenty of room to
stumble and it it's totally 

1201
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:43,320
safe. 
Feels good. 

1202
01:30:43,400 --> 01:30:46,160
Jump as high as you want, the 
net will catch you. 

1203
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:49,160
It's all good that. 
Is so true. 

1204
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:51,320
What a fantastic to do. 
Some trust falls. 

1205
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:55,040
Yeah, yeah, that's it. 
Trust falling. 

1206
01:30:56,040 --> 01:31:00,200
Time to trust fall. 
I love it. 

1207
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:03,400
Oh, Michelle, thank you so much 
for being here. 

1208
01:31:03,400 --> 01:31:07,560
This is this was so wonderful. 
And if you've heard Michelle's 

1209
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:10,960
story, if this has spoken to 
your heart, if you're in that 

1210
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:12,920
place where you're just like, 
OK, I'm done. 

1211
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,360
I have got I want to do 
something. 

1212
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:22,960
I want to change the way I feel.
Reach out got a lot of different

1213
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:27,720
options and the unveiling method
is here to be of service to you.

1214
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:33,320
Do not let financial constraints
be the reason that you don't 

1215
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:36,040
reach out. 
We've started the scholarship 

1216
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:40,600
fund and we've got a lot of 
options and a lot of supports to

1217
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:43,800
meet you where you are. 
Do not ever let that be a 

1218
01:31:43,800 --> 01:31:46,760
reason. 
Michelle has supported a 

1219
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,600
scholarship because she's in the
accelerate circle. 

1220
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:53,720
So thank you, Michelle. 
Wow, right? 

1221
01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:57,000
Wow. 
Michelle's story is such a 

1222
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:00,840
powerful reminder that burnout 
recovery doesn't come from 

1223
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:04,480
surface level fixes. 
It comes from creating safety, 

1224
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:09,680
clarity and practices that truly
fit who you are. 

1225
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:14,000
And if you're wondering where 
you are on your burnout journey 

1226
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:18,720
right now, don't guess. 
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1229
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Get started at Whittington 
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1230
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:35,160
in the show notes. 
And be sure to join me again 

1231
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:39,440
tomorrow because Alice is here 
to share the radical step. 

1232
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:42,640
And she wasn't so sure about 
this when I suggested it, but 

1233
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:47,360
it's such a great experience. 
But the radical step that she 

1234
01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:50,760
took that completely changed her
burnout recovery journey. 

1235
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:53,280
And I mean, it was the 
breakthrough moment. 

1236
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:56,120
Trust me, you don't want to miss
this one. 

1237
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:58,920
It might be exactly what you 
need right now. 

1238
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:05,240
Until then, remember, redefine 
unmasking, reclaim your comfort 

1239
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:09,080
zone and restore your optimum 
steady state. 

1240
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:13,160
And do it with support and 
community here with us on Beyond

1241
01:33:13,160 --> 01:33:16,240
Chronic Burnout. 
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1242
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:20,160
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1243
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:24,360
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1244
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:27,040
self-care September series. 
See you then. 

1245
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:31,000
It's been quiet. 
All right. 

1246
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:33,960
Energy mastery, let's turn the 
tide. 

1247
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:38,160
Top shelf guests dropping wisdom
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1248
01:33:38,680 --> 01:33:43,360
Join us next week where the 
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1249
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:49,160
we're breaking free our gas 
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1250
01:33:49,160 --> 01:33:53,000
tricks to post your fight. 
Fast pace and fun. 

1251
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:57,320
You'll feel alive. 
Energy mastery. 

1252
01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:03,360
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1253
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:09,160
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1254
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