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Welcome to fellow Friends in 
Home and Hosting, where I sit 

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down with fellow creatives, 
homemakers and digital 

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tastemakers to chat all things 
styling, space and how we make 

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our homes feel like home. 
Today I'm joined by Daniel 

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Matthews, the charming mind 
behind At a Modest Semi, a home 

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account that's equal parts 
considered colourful and just 

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the right amount of cheeky. 
In this episode, we talk about 

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renting as a way to trial 
different aesthetics and get it 

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all out of your system before 
buying your first home, and what

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it's like tackling that through 
the eyes of a professional 

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textile designer and navigating 
renovations as creative people. 

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We also dig into the style with 
no name, that beautiful, 

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romantic English aesthetic 
that's quietly taken over our 

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feet without anyone really being
able to define it. 

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And of course, if you haven't 
already, be sure to follow 

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Daniel over on Instagram at a 
dot modest dot semi. 

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His content is full of warmth 
and the kind of interiors that 

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make you want to stay a while. 
Without further ado, let's get 

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into today's episode. 
Well, Dan, it's so good to have 

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you on fellow friends and home 
and hosting today. 

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Thank you so much for having me.
Hello, how are you? 

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I'm so good. 
How are you? 

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Yeah, I'm good. 
Thank you. 

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It's a bit wet here, but you 
know, it's nice to be on the 

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process. 
Thanks for having me. 

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Well, to start us off, I always 
love to have a little nod to 

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send because I feel like fellow 
friends and home and hosting. 

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We all have like a signature 
send or we all are feeling 

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inspired by what's happening 
around us. 

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So tell me, what are you burning
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So at the moment I've just 
started a new candle. 

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The last one I burnt was by DS 
and Durga called Big Sur after 

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rain. 
I was only burning that one like

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last week. 
Yeah. 

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How would you describe that it 
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Because I couldn't like place 
what it smelled like so I had to

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Google it. 
Well, surprisingly, like when I 

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read the description of it, it 
was like where it was describing

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like damp eucalyptus. 
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And I was like, Oh yeah, that 
kind of actually smells quite 

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Australian, to be honest. 
Like it does have that sort of 

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like wilderness eucalyptus kind 
of scent it. 

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I think what Theus and Durga are
really good at is that sort of 

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damp, residual, sort of a little
bit heavy kind of scent. 

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It's very kind of grounded. 
That's how I would. 

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Probably describe it. 
Yeah. 

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So nice. 
So just finished that one. 

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And then at the moment I'm 
burning Joe Malone, a British 

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classic, and it's the side 
pressing Grapevine and it's 

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really, really nice. 
It's like a little bit Oodie, a 

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little bit viney and it just it 
fills the house with a great 

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scent. 
And I feel like I'm really drawn

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to more like the like sandalwood
oods, but also like the more 

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fresh viney scents as well. 
Like Daylesford, which is like a

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brand in the UK and they do a 
tomato vine candle and it smells

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so good. 
It's a bit like the Laueve one, 

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just a a bit of a nicer price 
tag. 

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Yeah, yeah, no, green scents are
my favourite scents. 

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The Flamingo Estate range as 
well do really good greens. 

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It's like olive tree. 
They also have a tomato leaf 

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one. 
They're really good. 

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I love them because they're kind
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They're a little, sometimes they
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if they've got that sort of 
depth to them, I don't know, 

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there's just something nice 
about them that you can burn 

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them year round. 
Absolutely. 

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Yeah, I'm very much like that. 
Like, once I've got a candle 

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going, I'll take it to the end. 
Like, it doesn't really matter 

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what season it's in. 
I just think I just like to have

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a nice scent going in the home, 
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And I did have one recently that
I'm a celiac and I can't eat 

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gluten. 
And my friend bought me a like a

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bake. 
It smelled like a bakery, but it

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literally smelled like 
butterscotch, like you wanted to

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eat the candle. 
It smelled so good. 

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So yeah, we burned through that 
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And I was like, are you baking? 
And I was like, Oh no, it's just

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a candle. 
Yeah, Deus and Durga actually 

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have a candle like that. 
It's called Breakfast Lip Sync, 

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and it's got like burnt butter 
and it's also got a bit of 

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tobacco in it. 
And you can buy the car like 

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auto diffusers and they're like 
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And I have that one in my car 
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And when people get in, they're 
like, Oh my God, your car smells

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like one of those bougie 
bakeries at Easter time because 

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it smells like hot cross buns 
and. 

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Nice. 
You can also buy the car 

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diffusers and you can stick them
in your wardrobes and then you 

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can like put those and stuff 
like that and like it's really 

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good because it just makes your 
wardrobe smell really nice. 

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Oh that's a great tip when I 
have to have a look into that. 

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Going back to our classic 
candles and Speaking of 

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Australia, I'm actually burning 
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That's my new recent obsession. 
I just shared it on TikTok 

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earlier. 
It is the orange and neroli, but

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I think it's a good blend 
because I wouldn't normally go 

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for something that was orange 
scented, but this actually 

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smells. 
It's got a mix of amber, 

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vanilla, cedar wood, and then it
has the neroli and the orange 

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flower. 
So it's actually really dynamic,

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and when you smell it up close, 
for anyone listening who might 

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want to go try it out at the 
store, don't take the scent that

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you get immediately when you 
sniff the candle because there's

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a lot more ambient and it smells
a lot better when it's in a 

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whole room. 
But I'm obsessed with it and I'm

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like, wow, there you go. 
Like I just never would have 

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lent on something that was 
orange. 

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But because it's got the. 
I like amber and I like cedar 

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wood. 
So I think that's why, yeah. 

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Those kind of scents to me feel 
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I guess there's like a brand in 
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and I do really lovely, like, 
you know, like mould, orange 

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scent, spices, candle scents in 
the winter and they're really, 

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really lovely and warming. 
Yeah, well, let's start off with

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your home, that modest semi as 
you're known as on Instagram, 

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which I love because it's also 
kind of like a little bit of a 

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tongue in cheek every time I 
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Exactly. 
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OK, cool. 
I'm glad that we're on the same 

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page because I was. 
OK, cool. 

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Anybody that is friends with me 
know that I've got, I'd like to 

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think I've got a good sense of 
humour, like to have a laugh, to

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make people laugh. 
And so when I started to the 

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account I was like, oh, what's 
could be like, you know, it's 

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got different meanings. 
What's the interval? 

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It's like a home's got a drag 
name. 

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Yeah, basically, yeah. 
So they're kind of stuck. 

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And then I was then I was like 
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no, let's just go with it. 
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four years later. 
So it's very much a thing now. 

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Yeah, well. 
It's definitely the hallmark of 

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your account. 
So can you tell us about the 

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decision that went into buying 
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So I've been with my now husband
Archie since 2019. 

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And then obviously we won't talk
about 2020, but you know what 

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happened? 
So I ended up moving S to Essex 

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in that time, I was living N 
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and we were doing like long 
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And then I ended up moving into 
his one bedroom flat, which he 

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aimed at the time. 
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locked in there for a year and 
then we were like, OK, let's buy

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a house together. 
So we actually put lots of 

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offers in on different houses 
previous to this one and they 

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all fell through. 
Like we got gazumped by buyers 

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because I think that at the time
the government were doing thing 

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called like there was you didn't
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So it was making like houses a 
bit more affordable and you will

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be able to you know. 
Yeah, there was lots of people 

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were moving sick of where they 
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So we lost out on quite a few 
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Then we took the flat off the 
market and as soon as we took 

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the flat off the market, this 
house came online and then 

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because we were still looking on
like right move. 

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I don't know what you have in 
Australia, but like that kind of

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thing. 
And because, and I was like, Oh 

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my gosh, it's literally the 
dream house. 

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I was like, no, like why? 
We take it off, then it's sold 

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and then we just like forgot 
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And then we put the flat back on
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later. 
And then this house came back on

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the market and it fell through. 
The guy just pulled out, didn't 

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want to the house anymore. 
So we were like felt like the 

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stars were aligning. 
We came to view it. 

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And it's really funny. 
I was literally in in the house 

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and would be a stage and an 
Archie. 

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And at the end I was like, we're
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And Archie was like, damn, you 
need to play it cool. 

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And I was like, I'm not playing 
it cool. 

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Yeah, I literally, I don't play 
things cool if I'm like excited 

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about something. 
Like you can just tell on my 

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face. 
Like I was like, Oh my gosh. 

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Fantastic. 
So yeah, we ended up getting the

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offer accepted. 
And then I think it took about 3

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or 4 months and we, we moved in 
in September 2021 and it was 

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like a biblical rainstorm. 
We pulled up in the van with all

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of our stuff. 
And I've never seen rain like 

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it. 
I was like, Oh my gosh, I'm 

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getting like, I was like, is 
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Is this bad luck? 
Like it was crazy weather. 

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And I, we had fish at the time 
when I was holding this fish 

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tank on my lap in this van and I
was like, Oh my gosh, what's 

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going on? 
And the fish were fine. 

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And they are no longer with us. 
But that's just because of, you 

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know, they just, it was their 
time. 

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But yeah, we've been in here 
nearly four years now and it is 

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a night. 
It was in 1908. 

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So it's an Edwardian semi 
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And there's only two how? 
There's only this house on the 

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street that's like it. 
And then next door to us are 

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like some like 80s flats, which 
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And the rumours are that in the 
World War the houses got bombed 

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and like taken. 
Out. 

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Yeah. 
So we were like the last two 

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houses and then so then across 
the street and down the street, 

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there's lots of other, like 
there's a lot of terrace houses 

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and all the same attached 
houses, but there's only these 

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two that are like this on the 
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Very interesting. 
Wow. 

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And so are you in the middle of 
it basically like you're in the 

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middle of town? 
So I live in Essex, which is 

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about half an hour on the train 
into London and I live in the 

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city. 
It's called Chelmsford and we 

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live in the city, but like just 
on the outskirts, you can walk 

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in in like 10-15 minutes. 
And so it's really, yeah, it's 

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really good. 
There's lots of really good 

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shops and there's a nice park, 
we can walk the dog and we've 

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got really good links into 
London. 

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So yeah, it's. 
A really great location. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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So have you always lived more 
closer to the city? 

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No, I come from, I grew up in a,
in a town in, it's like a mining

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town in the West Midlands. 
It's a place called Canak in 

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Staffordshire. 
And I, yeah, grew up there till 

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I was 18. 
And then I went to university in

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Yorkshire, which is north of the
UK and near Leeds. 

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And I did my degree there in 
textiles, printed textiles, 

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which I guess we'll talk about 
later, kind of informed my 

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decisions on how we did design 
and the house. 

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And then I had a job and my 
first graduate job in the East 

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Midlands. 
So I moved back down. 

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But yeah, I was renting for like
10 years before I bought this 

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house. 
So it's been such a like renting

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and like decorating to rent is 
so different to when you own a 

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house over here anyway and the 
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be like you can make structural 
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You have to schedule like put 
the nail in the wall because you

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weren't going to get your 
deposit back. 

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It's quite in intense. 
Opportunity to like renovate the

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floors because they took your 
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in the wall. 
Literally, yeah, I've had some, 

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some, you know, some, some 
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E live in this one. 
It was like an old hay loft, 

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which was really cool. 
And it was where it was in 

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Market Harbour and it was where 
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used to like keep all their 
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I was like, Oh my gosh, like as 
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But yeah, really cool, Really, 
really cool. 

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the UK that are now turned into 
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It's really, really interesting.
And that's the best thing about 

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when you are renting is you can 
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different lives, like you can 
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different suburbs, and you can 
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houses. 
And I think that's probably the 

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most important thing that people
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it comes to renting versus 
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You should look for a property 
that's got a great price. 

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of a cool character. 
Don't go for the thing that's 

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like, I don't know. 
I convinced my friend to move 

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into the same apartment building
as me during lockdown, which was

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great because she was by 
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So we ended up being like 
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So we'd go down the fire escape 
stairs and we'd hang out in like

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each other's apartments, which 
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And it was just, it was, it was 
nice, you know, and she was 

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like, I should probably move 
into this 1970s three Storey 

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sort of apartment brick building
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And I said to her, I go, look, 
when you're on your deathbed, 

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think about the storyline. 
What do you want to do? 

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Do you want to live, say that 
you lived in the warehouse 

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apartment and you have really 
cool furniture And it was like, 

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you live with your best friend? 
Or do you want to say, oh, yeah,

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I lived in like a little brick 
Walker, but it was really close 

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to work. 
And she was like, you know what,

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You're right. 
I'm going to move into the city 

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because she was scared to move 
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oh, I have to drive. 
I'm like, you'll figure it out. 

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And now like to this day, she's 
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that. 
And I know she's listening right

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now and she's nodding her head 
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I love that it's like that, like
that romanticising your life 

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kind of thing is, you know, like
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you're a product of your own 
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And I think, yeah, if and if, 
especially if, like obviously if

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you can afford it and if the, 
you know, if there's not much 

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difference in money, why not 
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And I've lived in so many 
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years, like an old barn 
conversion, like I did do a flat

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in the town. 
I did like the hayloft thing, 

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like loads of different things. 
And I think it's really, it kind

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of pinpoints those times in your
life as well, like, you know, of

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where you're at as a person and 
what you were doing. 

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Yeah, it gets out of your system
as well. 

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Like now that you're in this 
home and you've been here for 

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four years, you know, you've 
done a couple of different 

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homes. 
So you're not like, oh, what 

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would it have been like if I 
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that apartment in there with 
that industrial? 

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You're like, oh, I've done that.
Do you know what I mean? 

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It's a good, it's a good way to 
test what you like and what you 

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don't like because you might 
love the idea of something, but 

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then the reality of it, it's a 
completely different story. 

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Now, absolutely. 
And I think especially when 

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you're working around the 
country and you're living in 

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different places, you get kind 
of get a feel of like where you 

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want to settle and where you 
don't want to settle or this 

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doesn't, this feels like at me 
right now, but it doesn't feel 

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like me forever. 
And yeah, it's quite 

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interesting, isn't it? 
Yeah. 

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So with the idea that you grew 
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did you felt you had to move 
because it was sort of like the 

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opportunities just weren't 
there. 

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It was like, OK, well, I'm going
to be doing this or I'm going to

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be doing that. 
Like I only asked because I'm 

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originally from a mining town as
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I moved to Melbourne to do a 
design degree because it was 

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like, well, we're packing up 
shop and we're moving, you know?

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Well, I think I've always just 
had a real interest in the art 

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and design space. 
Even since I was younger. 

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I was obsessed with like a 
changing rooms. 

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I don't think they ever had that
in Australia. 

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And it was like Carol Smiley 
and. 

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No, I know this thing and they 
would do, they would do like 

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really wild renovations, like to
the point where they were sort 

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of like not you could tell it 
was just full rage bait. 

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Yeah, have you seen the teapot 
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No, they did this float these 3 
floating shelves on wires and 

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it's this ladies prize teapot 
collection that they put on the 

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shelf and then they show them 
and then they're like Oh yeah, 

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cool. 
Then they close the door and 

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then the shelf breaks. 
All of their teapots smash on 

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the floor. 
And she's literally like 

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inconsolable sobbing. 
So hilarious. 

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And I saw that quickly today. 
It came through on like, you 

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know when you're scrolling 
through Tiptok I? 

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Was like, yeah. 
I literally remember that. 

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A cultural moment. 
Yeah, I saw the one where they 

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like glued hay to the walls and 
then there was one where they 

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did like a wallpaper and then 
they they bring the couple in, 

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the couple and the wife, she's 
just like, no, I don't like 

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this. 
Like she just, yeah, she just 

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hates it. 
So lots of British shows are 

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watchable in Australia that we 
can refer to as well as iconic 

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ones in like America, which is 
like House Hunters, yeah and 

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Fixer Upper and stuff like that.
So. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
Oh, no. 

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Amazing. 
So yeah, I so I guess I used to 

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love watching like any like TV 
makeover shows. 

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And then I took inspiration from
Linda Barker myself and I 

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painted my tiny bedroom bright 
grass green and I think about 

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now and it hurts my eyes. 
It was a wild, you know, just 

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experimenting and I had this 
Japan D lilac border, you know, 

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very of the time, very much to 
the lover of lilac today, but 

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not on the walls. 
Yes, so that was interesting. 

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So I, that's kind of like, I was
really interested in design and 

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then I decided to go to 
university to do art and design 

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and I needed to move away for 
that because I think I just 

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wanted like not to get too deep,
but obviously being a gay person

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and trying to come to terms with
who I was. 

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And I was just feeling like 
there wasn't really much there 

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for me at home apart from my 
family, which I go back and see 

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all of the time now. 
But I felt like I needed to just

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kind of reinvent myself, I 
guess, and like be my own 

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person. 
So yeah, I went to university 

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and I did a green printed 
textiles, which was so 

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fantastic. 
And it really like honed my love

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for like colour and design and 
how I use colour and really, 

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yeah. 
And people like how is it worth 

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going to university to do 
design? 

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But Oh my gosh, it's giving me 
the the tool kit to be able to 

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go into today into the industry 
like a freelance print design 

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now for brands. 
And yeah. 

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And then also coming into doing 
my own kind of our own home, 

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it's like remembering what you 
like as a person and like what 

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you like in design rather than 
designing for a demographic. 

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So it's really giving you the 
toolkit to be diverse and to 

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really be able to design for 
different customers, different 

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demographics. 
But I guess it's like interior 

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designers like you have a brief 
for that person and you need to 

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deliver that, but that's not 
necessarily what you would do in

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your own home. 
Which I think it's also a great 

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skill when it comes to social 
media as well, because you start

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developing your own style and 
showcasing it online, but you're

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also aware that the audience 
might have a different opinion. 

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Because people designing can be 
both objective and subjective. 

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And it's the same thing when it 
comes to a brief is that you're 

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fulfilling what other people 
have given you and it has a 

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certain style and you learn 
about the design history of it 

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and you can apply your 
knowledge. 

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There's actually quite a 
thorough process that can go 

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into creating something. 
But I think a lot of people 

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confuse it with the art world in
which the art world can be quite

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subjective. 
But I think it's a really good 

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skill to develop, especially if 
you want to share it online, 

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because you have to learn that 
like, everybody's going to have 

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an opinion, they're going to 
critique it. 

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But if you have that sort of 
design background, it's a little

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bit easier to take it on the 
chin. 

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Absolutely. 
I think working in design, you 

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really have to have a thick skin
because as you say, it's like 

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quite subjective and like what 
you can perceive to be, you 

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know, what the brief was. 
Someone else can perceive that 

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to be different or, you know, 
people like things that you 

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don't like. 
And it's what makes the world go

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around, isn't it? 
It's like everyone has their own

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opinion and everyone has their 
own likes and dislikes. 

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But you're having like that 
design foundation. 

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I think you can really like, you
can back yourself and you're 

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like, no, actually I like this. 
And I'm going to stand by what 

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I, you know, I like. 
And I think it's really 

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interesting when people 
challenge your opinions because 

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you can kind of try to see it 
from their point of view and you

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can go, I'm like, Oh yeah, I get
that. 

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Or no, actually, I'm really, you
know, set up on my choice. 

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Yeah, I feel like that with 
styling and doing things online 

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now that particularly with 
trends is that like I sometimes 

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feel like I'm a kind of a couple
of steps ahead. 

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So it's very hard to hold my 
tongue when I get comments about

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certain things like styling 
something a particular way or 

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picking a certain colour over 
something else because people 

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just haven't caught up yet or 
they've watched. 

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The problem is we're consuming 
so much content is that people 

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learn this particular way or 
style and then they start 

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projecting it onto other like 
other creators and like 

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anticipating and expecting it to
go that way. 

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Like for instance, you've 
transformed your space so much 

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already, like with your kitchen 
renovation and also your 

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bathroom renovation, which I 
love, but I'm sure plenty of 

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people had their opinions about 
the way that you navigated the 

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bathroom space. 
Oh my gosh, so many. 

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And especially when you ask for 
people's opinions as well, it's 

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like sometimes it's like 
actually I've got decision 

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fatigue as it is. 
I don't need like any, I don't 

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need anybody else's opinions. 
But when we were doing the 

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bathroom or the kitchen at the 
same time, it was like, I felt 

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like so overcome with like 
decision fatigue because we were

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having to get like both things 
done at the same time. 

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We didn't have a kitchen, we 
didn't have a bathroom. 

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It was like we needed to make 
these decisions. 

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I literally cried over the floor
tiles in the bathroom because 

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they weren't the right tone. 
And now they're in. 

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It's fine. 
You can't. 

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There's not much floor space 
anyway. 

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But as like a designer, like, I 
really like to take time picking

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out, like picking things out, 
getting the samples, seeing what

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they look like together. 
But we had to get these tiles 

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down and like, pick them in like
48 hours because the plumbers 

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were coming to put the sink and 
the toilet in. 

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And it was like a week before 
Christmas. 

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So yeah, it wasn't my finest 
hour. 

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I wasn't very pleased with 
myself. 

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And I don't think Archie was 
very pleased with me either. 

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But we kept them. 
And now it's fine. 

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It's fine. 
But going back to when you were 

448
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,680
saying about like a couple of 
steps ahead of trends, we've had

449
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,280
like the banter in our living 
room, like the olive green for 

450
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,080
like 4 years. 
It's the first room we ever 

451
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,480
decorated. 
And I saw this article online 

452
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,760
last week and it said that olive
green is the new millennial 

453
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,560
grey. 
And I was like, Oh my gosh, 

454
00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,360
literally. 
Yes, I saw that. 

455
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,480
The window like I just don't. 
I just don't want that. 

456
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,480
So yeah, I'm just feeling really
sad about that. 

457
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,920
I. 
Think that, but like I can sort 

458
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,200
of see where they're coming from
in that. 

459
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,400
But initially when I first read 
it, I was like, I feel like 

460
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,160
beige is the new millennial grey
because it's pretty much just 

461
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,600
like how the pendulum swings 
from warm to cool tones. 

462
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,600
It's like we were going very 
like early 2000s is very like 

463
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,400
blue toned whites, absolutely 
grey slate. 

464
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,480
And then it flipped on its head 
now to being a lot more warm. 

465
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:51,760
So everything's a lot more 
creamy. 

466
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,960
There's like soft yellows. 
And when I saw the green, I was 

467
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,440
sort of like they were already, 
they people already injecting 

468
00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,840
like emerald green, like a cool 
toned green into those spaces 

469
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,840
when they had grey. 
So whereas now I would say 

470
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,200
instead of green, people are 
using brown. 

471
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:06,880
Like brown is a lot more 
popular. 

472
00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,960
Like people were not using brown
as much with grey. 

473
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,200
So I would say like the new 
green is brown and like the new 

474
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,160
millennial grey is beige. 
Yeah, it's, yeah, That's 

475
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,360
interesting. 
And also it's a cycle, isn't it?

476
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,280
Like these always come back 
around and like it's invented in

477
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,080
like different ways and 
different tapes on it. 

478
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,200
But then I also think when you 
have it in your home, if it's 

479
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,480
like a colour that you simply 
love and it's the way that you 

480
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,320
style it in a way that you use 
it. 

481
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,640
Like you could do like the 
millennial grain. 

482
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,680
It's just like a box. 
Or you could have all of like, 

483
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,120
it could be your base colour and
then you could have all of your 

484
00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:41,080
amazing like things that you've 
collected over time and like 

485
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,280
accent chairs and pieces of art.
And I think it could look 

486
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:45,840
totally different. 
So I think, I think it's like 

487
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,240
how you put your spin on it, I 
guess. 

488
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,440
Yeah, it's the way that you like
all the different applications 

489
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,280
because yeah, it's like now, 
like like I said, it's like you 

490
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,640
weren't mixing brown and grey 
back then. 

491
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,640
But then now when I think about 
fashion and when I wear grey, I 

492
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,440
always have started using a lot 
of Navy and a lot of brown, 

493
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,840
which is we wouldn't really do 
back in the day. 

494
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,720
But I do it now and I love it. 
So it's so interesting how it 

495
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,440
all changes. 
Yeah. 

496
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,440
And I think it's really 
interesting how, like, there's 

497
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,800
just some certain kind of like, 
like statements that you don't 

498
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,880
want to be associated with you 
Like, no, that's not the vibe I 

499
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,240
was going for. 
And they were like, Oh my gosh, 

500
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,720
is that's what happened. 
And yeah, yeah. 

501
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,680
Yeah, it's like meeting people 
where they're at. 

502
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,360
It's like, you know, in 
Australia it's notorious. 

503
00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:30,480
Everyone will say anything 
that's slightly like Lux. 

504
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,520
They were like, oh, it's so 
Hamptons. 

505
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,320
It's giving Hamptons like that 
is like that is I'm saying that 

506
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,520
everything is Hamptons call. 
Yeah. 

507
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,160
And it's just like, how is this 
Hamptons like? 

508
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,160
But they're just trying to like 
talk about the energy or the 

509
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:44,600
vibe. 
Yeah, but they can't describe 

510
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,120
private, so they'll use keywords
that they've learnt from the 

511
00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:49,760
Internet to help them define 
what things are. 

512
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,160
I've got the words quirky or 
trendy before and I'm like, oh, 

513
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,120
quirky. 
Like. 

514
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,640
I don't think it's quirky. 
Yeah, quirky. 

515
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,160
I think so, because I think 
obviously I use a lot of colour 

516
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,720
in my home, but it's all very 
considered and it's all very 

517
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,360
like, there's a plan behind it. 
It's not just like, oh, let's 

518
00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:09,240
just see what happens. 
So I'm like, oh, it's very 

519
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,720
quick. 
I'm like, oh, that wasn't 

520
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,280
actually the brief, but thank 
you. 

521
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,320
But I think that's like it's 
educating the vocabulary, isn't 

522
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,040
it? 
It's like educating the people. 

523
00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:23,680
Well, it's like you bring up a 
good point, which is I think in 

524
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:28,480
England in particular, that is 
an approach to colour and 

525
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,240
layering which isn't really seen
elsewhere. 

526
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,360
And it's different to a 
Scandinavian approach to using 

527
00:23:34,360 --> 00:23:36,520
colour. 
Because like As for instance, in

528
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,920
Australia, when we look overseas
and international references, a 

529
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,240
lot of the stuff that we've 
looked at previously has been 

530
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,840
more that Scandi influence. 
So things that you're seeing in 

531
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,400
Sweden or things you're seeing 
in like Denmark and Copenhagen, 

532
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,440
Yeah. 
Whereas like in England, like I 

533
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,680
think with the rise of like 
Matilda Goad and a lot of other 

534
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,760
creators in that space, there's,
there's definitely an English 

535
00:23:54,760 --> 00:24:00,200
way of using colour and yeah, 
doing layering and pattern that 

536
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,080
isn't really seen anywhere. 
And I don't think there has 

537
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,880
really been a style that's sort 
of defined it other than like, 

538
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,840
for instance, like how I just 
mentioned Matilda Goad. 

539
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,720
I feel like she really kind of 
like projected like made that 

540
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,360
style really popular. 
But I wouldn't necessarily say 

541
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,000
that she was the one who like, I
don't like, I think it's been 

542
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,000
around for a really long time, 
but I think no one's really 

543
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,280
defined it yet. 
So I think the story why people 

544
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,240
are like, oh, it's quirky 
because they don't know what to 

545
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,200
say. 
Because if you would have got, 

546
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,960
oh, that's so like English. 
It's like, maybe not what you 

547
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,960
would think when you think of 
English, you know? 

548
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,120
Yeah, I think there's, there's 
also, I don't know, you've heard

549
00:24:33,120 --> 00:24:37,520
of Lucetta at all. 
He is a British designer and he 

550
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,240
he's one of my biggest 
inspirations. 

551
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,080
How he uses colour in his home. 
It's it's very bold. 

552
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,760
It's not as bold as I would go, 
but how he and puts print and 

553
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:49,080
colour and I think it's all 
about like mixing like old and 

554
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,600
new as well, like antiques, but 
then you've got The Odd Couple 

555
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,600
of new pieces and there's a 
really good book actually, it's 

556
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,680
called it's I've got it here. 
It's called new English home, 

557
00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,080
also new English interiors and 
it's fantastic and it's got 

558
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,960
loads of different interior 
designers in there. 

559
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:07,160
And it's very, it's basically 
talking about what you just said

560
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,120
about like the English kind of 
interior design movement at the 

561
00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,240
moment. 
But I think it's quite timeless.

562
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,840
And I think it's been going on a
long time and I think people are

563
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,680
just starting to get more brave 
with clashing colours, prints, 

564
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,240
patterns. 
And if there's just such a 

565
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,080
specific way to do it, it's like
it's everyone thinks you've just

566
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,520
thrown the kitchen sink at it, 
but you really haven't. 

567
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,960
You've really had to consider 
all of those colours and those 

568
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:35,840
pieces and those forms. 
And it's quite an art. 100%, 

569
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,920
yeah. 
And I feel like everyone's style

570
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,920
is very unique. 
Like even when I think of like 

571
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,840
Matilda B for instance, she's 
very popular. 

572
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:43,480
At TikTok, she's. 
Based in England. 

573
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,160
And then there's also like Kate 
Spears or Kate Spies. 

574
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,600
She also is based in England and
she like she has a lot of cut. 

575
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,560
Like you like you all do it very
differently. 

576
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,400
But there's also a connectivity 
in the fact that it is a style, 

577
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,680
but yet it hasn't been defined, 
which I think is sort of 

578
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,400
interesting. 
So I feel like also for people 

579
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,040
who were watching, who don't 
have that design, I probably 

580
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,920
seen the similarities, but 
they're like, I don't know how 

581
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,440
to put, I don't know what word 
to describe because I even my 

582
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,720
like me myself, I couldn't 
describe it either because it's 

583
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,400
hard. 
Yeah, because it's not in that 

584
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,400
because, because it is 
definitely like English, but 

585
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,600
it's not that tradition. 
Like you're not doing like some 

586
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,240
people are doing the approach 
where it's like deep burgundies,

587
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,280
like Federation style, like deep
burgundies, deep greens, like 

588
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,040
the gold accents. 
It's not like that. 

589
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,920
It's a, it's a different style 
entirely, really. 

590
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,400
Like, it's really interesting. 
Yeah, it's quite. 

591
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,520
It's a bit of like elements of 
like the arts and crafts and 

592
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,760
it's quite traditional English. 
Yeah. 

593
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,840
And there's a group in years 
ago, it's called the Balloons 

594
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,680
Free Group. 
Vanessa Bell and a couple of 

595
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:46,200
other artists that have left my 
head. 

596
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,080
And I used to like, paint their 
interiors, like hand paint. 

597
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,840
And there's an artist now called
Test No One. 

598
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,680
And she goes around and paints 
like people's cupboards and 

599
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,040
things. 
And it's like bringing in the 

600
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,840
more like hand finished arts and
crafts, like bringing the 

601
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,400
colour, bringing the pattern. 
And it's really, really 

602
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,120
interesting. 
And there's a lot of like Indian

603
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:04,320
block print that people are 
using a lot at the moment. 

604
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,680
And also like using like a 
stripe as like a neutral and 

605
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,760
using that as like to add 
conversation into a room. 

606
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,520
But it's not just like a plain 
colour or it's not like a loud 

607
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,480
print. 
I think there's yeah, it's 

608
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,800
really exciting at the moment. 
There's people doing similar 

609
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,640
things but they're very 
different and it's being 

610
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:25,320
inspirational. 
And I love how your style sort 

611
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,360
of sits somewhere between the 
quiet luxury and that lived in 

612
00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:30,720
charm. 
So if we were to try to like, 

613
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,960
put it into your own words and 
your own design philosophy, 

614
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,480
what, how would you describe it?
Do you think I'd? 

615
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,360
Say that a modest semi is I'd 
say it's like the home of like 

616
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:42,280
considered colour and print. 
Like as I said, like 

617
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,680
everything's very considered and
the pieces that we have in our 

618
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,440
home are very much like second 
hand, like I'm trolling Facebook

619
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,040
marketplace and daily love and 
antiques there love a charity 

620
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,360
shop and like you just see some 
people are why the hell did you 

621
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:56,680
buy that? 
Then you get it home and you're 

622
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,600
like, Oh my gosh, like it looks 
great. 

623
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,440
And I also have a lot of things 
from like that were my 

624
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,680
grandparents or things that have
been bought by friends or made 

625
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,680
by friends. 
And it's like having those bits 

626
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:10,800
of like, you in the home adds 
that personality and 

627
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:13,120
everything's got a story. 
And that's why I absolutely 

628
00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:15,320
love, like, I like collecting 
things. 

629
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,520
When we go on holiday, we always
have to buy something to bring 

630
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,120
that back. 
And then it's like, oh, we 

631
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:21,960
bought that fish in Barcelona. 
Or, you know, it's like, it 

632
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,320
could just be the smallest 
thing, but it's like, it's like 

633
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,080
my mission. 
Every time I go on holiday, I'm 

634
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,600
like, I've got to bring 
something back for the house. 

635
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,320
Will it fit in the suitcase? 
I don't know. 

636
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,800
But we will give it a go. 
We went to this January, went to

637
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,440
Barcelona to see Archies 
friends. 

638
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,960
We went to this flea market and 
Oh my gosh, it was so good. 

639
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,200
And people were thinking, Oh my 
gosh, it looks mental. 

640
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,800
But I was literally living my 
best life. 

641
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,520
Like there was just so much 
stuff on that. 

642
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,920
I saw this painting and it was 
probably about 3 metres long and

643
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,840
I was like, this man was trying 
to get me to buy it and I was 

644
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,840
like, I really want to buy it, 
but I just didn't know how I was

645
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,960
going to get it home. 
So we had to stay there. 

646
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,520
Very sad. 
But I think it's so important to

647
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,000
just like have that bit of your 
what like ask yourself what you 

648
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,560
truly love and the things that 
speak to you to put in your 

649
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:09,800
home. 
And that's what kind of makes 

650
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,120
your style very much your home. 
Like you're an it's an extension

651
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,440
of you. 
So I don't really know. 

652
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,000
I can't really describe my 
style. 

653
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,200
I guess it's very much like 
English. 

654
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,080
It's like English, traditional 
English maybe, but it's kind of 

655
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,960
got that contemporary edge. 
And I think when you're looking 

656
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,720
for the high, low mix, it's 
like, what can you spend your 

657
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,360
money on? 
That is you don't last long 

658
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:34,720
time. 
Like good countertops in your 

659
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,680
kitchen, good hardware that's 
really elevates and but then 

660
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,360
like also mixing things like 
Primark home doing really good 

661
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,000
things that, you know, that's 
even a little bit cheaper than 

662
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:46,720
H&M home. 
And it's like they've got great 

663
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,440
ceramics. 
If you want those smaller trend 

664
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,160
LED pieces that you can pick up 
at a cheaper price that you 

665
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,720
know, you're not going to have 
forever and mix those. 

666
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,000
But then you've got like your 
bordello kind of like melon bowl

667
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,120
or you've got your linen napkins
that are quite expensive. 

668
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,720
And I think that's how you kind 
of get the high, low mix and it 

669
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,880
kind of gives an eclectic feel 
because you're trying you. 

670
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,880
Yeah, you've got that. 
You're not buying. 

671
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:09,960
You're not just going into one 
shop. 

672
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,960
You say I'll take the take the 
whole table. 

673
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,240
Do you know what I mean? 
I want those plates. 

674
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,720
I want those napkins at the 
table, at the closet. 

675
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,080
It's all very thought through 
and considered. 

676
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,360
And I think that's the kind of 
that's we can get like a higher 

677
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,160
end look for less. 
Yeah. 

678
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,360
And I think you do a really good
job at showcasing that as well 

679
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,200
on your profile when you go 
through the process of 

680
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,520
developing a space and you show 
how it comes together given that

681
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,680
like even I think even with your
bedroom. 

682
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:33,960
Oh yeah. 
Yeah. 

683
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,240
You know, like, just like the 
bits and pieces that you decided

684
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,440
to take on yourself and then 
other bits and pieces that you 

685
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,280
put together. 
Like it's really nice how you 

686
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,400
bring us along on the journey 
and show people how to do it. 

687
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,800
Thank you. 
Yeah, I really enjoyed doing the

688
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,880
bedroom. 
So we had this cupboard that was

689
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,960
an original cupboard and it was 
quite shallow. 

690
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,600
And originally we were going to 
RIP it out. 

691
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,920
And I was like, no, we're like, 
I want to keep the cupboard. 

692
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,800
But then there was this, like 
void above the cupboard. 

693
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,040
And I'm like, what do we do 
there? 

694
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,440
And there's a lady called Sarah 
Corbett Winder in the UK, and 

695
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,680
she's like a fashion stylist at 
home is incredible. 

696
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,320
And she started and these 
pediments on like cupboards and 

697
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,280
I was like, Oh my gosh, we 
should put a pediment on there. 

698
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,240
It looks so good. 
And literally people dragged one

699
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,760
line. 
What a waste of space, what a 

700
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:14,880
waste of storage. 
And I'm like, I literally 

701
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,400
comment with it's a bit sassy. 
I'm like, oh, that's the beauty 

702
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,120
of having your own home. 
You can do what you'd like to 

703
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,280
do. 
But like it adds that kind of 

704
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,720
like bit of texture in the room.
It's all painted the same colour

705
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,840
as the wall. 
So it kind of camouflaged, but 

706
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,600
it gives that different 
dimension. 

707
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,280
And then with our bedside 
tables, they were just from 

708
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,840
HomeSense, which is like TK 
Maxx, I don't know if you have 

709
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,080
that in Australia. 
And they were like 50 lbs each. 

710
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,000
Then we went to the local marble
merchant. 

711
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,720
We got some marble cuts for the 
top because we wanted marble 

712
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,440
like lids on it I guess. 
And it also bought the bedside 

713
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,520
tables at the right height then 
for where our bed finished. 

714
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,320
And then I upholstered the 
headboard, my first ever go 

715
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,280
doing it. 
And the fabric was quite 

716
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,640
expensive, was like hand printed
in the Cotswolds. 

717
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,720
But then I thought I was saving 
it by making it, saving money by

718
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,720
making it myself. 
But then I was literally so 

719
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,920
scared to cut it. 
I was thinking like shaking with

720
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,600
the scissors, like, Oh my gosh, 
if I cut this wrong, we're 

721
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,520
screwed. 
And it's like one of my my 

722
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,880
favourite things in the home. 
I can't wait to post them all 

723
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,200
headboards. 
And then we've got like the 

724
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,880
chest of drawers was from a 
local antiques market was 40 

725
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,040
lbs. 
So it's all of these things that

726
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,480
you kind of bring together and 
you see like when you're out and

727
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,000
about and you're like, oh, 
that's going to work. 

728
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,720
And if it doesn't work, you've 
spent £40 in it, just resell it.

729
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,880
Like it's not like kind of the 
end of the world. 

730
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,000
You're not spending thousands of
pounds on things. 

731
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,120
And I really think like bringing
fabrics in and like textures, 

732
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,640
like our bed is just like a 
standard to band bed, but then 

733
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,240
we put like a bed skirt on it 
and then say like elevates. 

734
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,640
And it's not cost you like 
thousands of pounds for this 

735
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,120
like hand carved bed, but it's 
still really comfortable and you

736
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,040
get the luxurious look for less.
Yeah, and it is those little 

737
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,760
touches, it's like you said, 
putting that detail on top of 

738
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,800
the cupboard and then adding the
bed skirt and then going out and

739
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,760
getting a stone top to put on 
top of, you know, those 

740
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,320
bedsides. 
That really do make the 

741
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,800
difference. 
That I don't think a lot of 

742
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,680
people have the foresight to see
where it's going if they see an 

743
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,760
object out on the street or if 
they see a bedroom. 

744
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,240
Sometimes it's like, I think you
bring up a really good point 

745
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,840
that it is like those just those
slight details that really like 

746
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,200
take it up a notch. 
I find that the case anyway, 

747
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,920
when I'm at home and I go 
through my content and I say, 

748
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,240
oh, that was a game changer. 
It was just that little, you 

749
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,720
know what I mean? 
Like it's like a little detail. 

750
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,560
Yeah. 
Because sometimes we always look

751
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,360
at the big things. 
Like I always tell people, like 

752
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,320
whenever you move into a room, 
it's always about you've got to 

753
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,560
have the rug, we've got to have 
a window treatment and we've got

754
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,120
to check out the lighting 
situation. 

755
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,080
But then there are just those 
little tweaks that you can't 

756
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,480
fully recommend to people 
without having B in their space 

757
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,240
to see what those little pieces 
are, you know? 

758
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,720
And I find that so interesting 
when people ask your opinion 

759
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,160
online, like paint colours. 
And I'm like, take it with a 

760
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,960
pinch of salt because the colour
looks different in every single 

761
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:01,320
room. 
Like what could look great in my

762
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,680
house is not going to look great
in your house. 

763
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,760
You might need to go 2 tones 
lighter on the shade card or two

764
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,639
tones darker like. 
But it's hard to give that 

765
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,600
advice when you're not in that 
space yourself. 

766
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,040
And it's also really important 
for compromise, especially when 

767
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,920
you're living with somebody, 
because Archie really wanted to 

768
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,840
have a full carpet in the 
bedroom because he doesn't like 

769
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,840
wooden floors in the bedroom. 
And I was like, no, there are 

770
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,880
original floorboards. 
I really want to have the 

771
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,159
floorboards. 
So we ended up going to like a 

772
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:28,120
local carpet shop. 
And I had this thing called 

773
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:31,000
Aladdin's Cave, which was just 
like their bargain bin. 

774
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,000
And we found this roll of 
carpet. 

775
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,560
And then we basically got it and
whipped the diameter of the room

776
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,840
about about 20 centimetres 
smaller. 

777
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,159
So the middle of the room is a 
carpet, but you still get the 

778
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,840
tone of the wood around the 
edge. 

779
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,760
So it was like a happy medium. 
Yeah. 

780
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:49,280
Which I'm kind of happy that we 
did in the end because I think a

781
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,480
wooden floor would have, yeah, 
quite creaky and quite old our 

782
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,000
house. 
It would have been not very 

783
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,800
like, noise. 
And, you know, you'd hear 

784
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,800
downstairs, like the creaking 
when you're walking on the 

785
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,080
floor. 
So the carpet definitely helped.

786
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,480
But I think, yeah, compromise is
definitely key when you're 

787
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,320
living with someone also. 
But again, that's another really

788
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,400
good trick because I my rugs in 
my living room, a bedroom, are 

789
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:14,440
also carpet that got turned into
rugs from a local like the New 

790
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,560
Zealand Wall, which people do 
make rugs out of. 

791
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,160
Then I had them to turned into 
rugs versus carpet, which is 

792
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,080
such a good trick if you want to
also get a more cost effective 

793
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,560
rug too. 
So like that's a really good 

794
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,640
point. 
And I think also with the power 

795
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,360
of a rug, I really love when 
like a rug can take up a lot of 

796
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,880
surface area of a room, but you 
can still showcase the timber 

797
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,600
underneath. 
And like you said, it's really 

798
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,040
good for the acoustics in a 
room. 

799
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,920
But also I think it's good 
because it really grounds the 

800
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,680
furniture. 
People don't really want to 

801
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,280
splurge on a rug, but it really 
does just take things to another

802
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,080
level. 
At least it certainly can. 

803
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,040
And it also just gives your 
furniture a sense of home, you 

804
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,960
know, like, it puts them in the 
room and they feel like they 

805
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,720
connect. 
And I think it like draws the 

806
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:55,920
eye, like when you have a carpet
in the room and you don't have 

807
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,520
anything else on the floor, like
your eye just go straight to the

808
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,680
skirting board. 
And like if you've got the rug 

809
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,680
or you've got the whipped 
carpet, then you've got the 

810
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,360
wooden floor. 
It kind of adds those different 

811
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,960
layers and dimensions again. 
And it's all about like the 

812
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,440
layering and the colour and the 
you like you're considering the 

813
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,480
floor, like you have to consider
every part of a room, floor, 

814
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,520
ceiling, walls, like everything.
So I think that is, yeah, so 

815
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:20,480
important as you say, for. 
Sure. 

816
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,040
Yeah. 
And Speaking of home, like what 

817
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,320
does the word home mean to you? 
Like how would you define it 

818
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,040
beyond the pieces that we have 
in our space? 

819
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:34,840
Home to me is a place where you 
can come and you can truly relax

820
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,280
and you just feel safe. 
And you feel like, gosh, like 

821
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:39,800
you've had the day of it and you
come home. 

822
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,840
Well, you've been on holiday and
you're just like, OK, just want 

823
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,280
to get home now. 
Like, you know, you've got to 

824
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,720
get the flight home or whatever.
You're like, I just want to be 

825
00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:46,760
home. 
Just want to be around my 

826
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,280
things. 
Yeah. 

827
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,680
You know, you have your 
routines, you have your rituals,

828
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,080
you have your, you know, your 
day to day. 

829
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,480
And I think there's something so
comforting in that. 

830
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,080
And like I suffer with like, 
anxiety and I think just being 

831
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,000
around the things that make me 
feel safe and making the home a 

832
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,400
place that we love to be in just
really like calms you down and 

833
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,160
makes you feel so relaxed. 
So I think that's how I describe

834
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,520
saying to me just like a like a 
safe space. 

835
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,760
What's 1 room space in your 
house that you're itching to 

836
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:21,080
tackle next? 
That is our third bedroom, which

837
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,880
is still very much like a 
plastered box at a storage room.

838
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,120
But that's going to be my last 
studio, I guess, where I do all 

839
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,680
my work there. 
Because at the moment I'm kind 

840
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,080
of like dotted all around the 
house. 

841
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,800
And I'd like paint brushes and 
paints everywhere and arches. 

842
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,640
Like we just need to put 
everything in one room. 

843
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,000
I'm like, yeah, we actually do. 
And that was always the plan for

844
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,840
that room. 
And it can be it'll be a third 

845
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,960
bedroom when we go to like 
eventually sell the house. 

846
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,440
But yeah, just a place to put 
like all of my like paint, 

847
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,960
sewing machine, like have like 
computer screens, like all my. 

848
00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:50,920
Yeah. 
And then all of the stuff that 

849
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,560
goes with content creating like 
tripods and your lights and 

850
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,400
yeah, extra storage for like 
tableware. 

851
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,120
But that is the room I'm really 
excited to do. 

852
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,840
I'm just starting to plan it at 
the moment. 

853
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,120
So hopefully that'll be done by 
the end of the year. 

854
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,880
And then all we've got left to 
do here really then is our 

855
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,240
second bedroom. 
And then like the hall and the 

856
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:11,240
stairs, which we were going to 
do last because obviously it's 

857
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:13,840
just going to get battered 
taking things up and down and 

858
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,680
getting it sorted. 
But we've had such a big remodel

859
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,520
the like the in the last year of
the back of the house, that 

860
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,520
renovating just takes so much 
time and so much money and you 

861
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,560
kind of just have to just take 
it in chunks. 

862
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,240
And just like we were so 
appreciative of like where we've

863
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:31,920
got to and like the amount of 
work that's been put in. 

864
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,760
But we just take a toll on you 
and it takes a toll on, like, 

865
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,800
your relationship. 
It takes a toll on your mental 

866
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,640
health and constantly, like, 
living in dust. 

867
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,840
So I feel like we're at a place 
this summer where we've kind of 

868
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,480
just like, paused, the building 
works. 

869
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,760
We're really happy with, like, 
the rings that we've got sorted.

870
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,720
We're just trying to enjoy and 
like, live a little bit. 

871
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,400
We want to go on holiday if we 
can. 

872
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,040
And then, yeah, maybe like when 
autumn comes, that room just 

873
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,160
needs, like, decorating. 
Like, there's nothing majorly, 

874
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:57,680
like, building work need to be 
done. 

875
00:38:57,720 --> 00:39:00,160
So yeah, that is the plan. 
Fingers crossed. 

876
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,800
Exciting, but also I'm like 
thinking when you were saying 

877
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,960
those rooms, I'm like, yeah, but
you've also got Christmas in the

878
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,960
middle of that that you're going
to have to decorate for and do a

879
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,960
whole Christmas content spirit 
I'm. 

880
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,200
Already starting. 
I'm already starting to Plumb 

881
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,040
that. 
I know, yeah, I just booked in a

882
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,680
Christmas home tour that I've 
got to do and I was like, OK, 

883
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:17,880
here we go. 
So I've got to make sure that 

884
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,200
it's up by like November 13th 
for some point. 

885
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,600
Everyone's like looking through 
your window, like when you got a

886
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,440
Christmas tree in August. 
I'm like, you will not 

887
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:28,240
understand. 
No, to be fair, I had a couple 

888
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:31,800
of campaigns last year that was 
like, I had them on like the 

889
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,800
first week of December. 
Like they came through like a 

890
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,040
day before. 
I was like, Oh my gosh, the 

891
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,080
panic, that time to get it all 
sorted. 

892
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,840
You have to be so agile, don't 
you? 

893
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,040
Yeah, yeah. 
And also, but I do think the 

894
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,400
English are really good at going
all out with the evergreens. 

895
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,320
There's just like this lushness 
with the amount of evergreens 

896
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:55,720
that you guys do, you know, like
layering all the greenery. 

897
00:39:55,720 --> 00:39:59,000
It's just really not it's it 
looks completely different to 

898
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,200
the US former Christmas. 
And it's also completely 

899
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,840
different to like Nordic or 
Scandinavian countries. 

900
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,200
Christmas as well. 
It's got a really unique style 

901
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,120
about it that I always think of,
like the deep green foliage and 

902
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,440
like candles. 
And it just feels really 

903
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,080
romantic. 
It's like, it's very romantic. 

904
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,120
Whereas it feels like the 
holiday, that's what I always go

905
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,760
back to, like the film. 
The holiday it's, it's like the 

906
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:28,560
US has like a warm cosy feeling 
and then the UK has the warm 

907
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,160
cosy, but it has this element of
romance to it that you just that

908
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,920
it just feels really good. 
I don't know. 

909
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,200
Yeah, it's, I feel like it's 
quite nostalgic. 

910
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,480
I think it feels like very 
nostalgic to me. 

911
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,880
Like, yeah, I should say like 
all of the evergreens and like 

912
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,480
we have like the wreaths on the 
door and we have the different 

913
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,960
like what's it called? 
You know, you have, we have like

914
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,600
garlands on like the fireplaces 
and those kinds of things as 

915
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,200
well. 
And like, yeah, I think people 

916
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,040
really go all out, which I 
absolutely love. 

917
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,600
And I must have part of that. 
I love doing that. 

918
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,080
Yeah. 
I can't wait to do the kitchen 

919
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:01,080
this year. 
Well, yeah, it's gonna be so 

920
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:02,600
much fun. 
Oh my God. 

921
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:03,840
There's just so many 
opportunities. 

922
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,600
But it never ends, though. 
You'll be going to like the 

923
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,000
florist and picking up all the 
greenery. 

924
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,120
Yeah, there are a lot of spaces.
You can pick up the greenery. 

925
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,560
Yeah, that is then we've got 
florists and then we have like 

926
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,840
wholesalers and then also I just
go into the forest sometimes and

927
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,720
just like chop like a couple of 
like, you know, bits that I need

928
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:25,760
like a bit of holly or whatever.
And yet holly bushes, like, go 

929
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,240
to my in laws, go to my parents.
Yeah, just go wild with my 

930
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:32,240
secateurs. 
The only problem is when you're 

931
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:35,040
doing the content really early, 
like everything's going to get 

932
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,840
dry and crispy by December, 
though sometimes you have to 

933
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,600
like, have I've got like a good 
fake wreath. 

934
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,480
And we bought a good fake tree 
last year just for longevity 

935
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,400
because we used to buy real 
trees and they're so expensive. 

936
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,840
And then like, they're like 
hanging on by the last leg. 

937
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,400
And like the second week of 
December, I'm like, Oh no. 

938
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:54,120
Yeah, in the, yeah. 
Are there lots of different 

939
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,200
varieties of trees that you can 
get, or is there pretty much 

940
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,480
just like one kind of tree? 
You know, there's many, there's 

941
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,440
like Nordic furs, there's 
spruces, there's loads and some 

942
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,480
of them see. 
That's what you guys, yeah, you 

943
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,560
guys are so lucky. 
See, in Australia we don't have 

944
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,520
that, where there's just pretty 
much one kind of Christmas tree.

945
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,360
OK. 
I can't even think of what it 

946
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:13,760
is. 
Wait, I'm trying to think of 

947
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,480
what the name of it is. 
I don't know. 

948
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,280
But it's it's kind of like bushy
and it's really hard to decorate

949
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,120
and it's only there's only one 
style. 

950
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:21,680
And that's something that's so 
disappointing as well. 

951
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,360
When you want a real tree. 
They smell amazing, but they're 

952
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,640
not the best to decorate. 
And I know like, and I was just 

953
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,240
saying before about how I like, 
love showcasing, you know, maybe

954
00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:31,960
I should talk about it more that
that is the tree that we have in

955
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,200
Australia. 
But like, it feels like it. 

956
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,520
Nah, but it just feels like a 
random, a random tree, you know 

957
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,280
what I mean? 
You can also pick it up on 

958
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,000
Balsam Hill and I'm like, don't 
get that one, get get a 

959
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,480
different one. 
Like I have like a Norway 

960
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,520
spruce, like that's why I have 
the Balsam Hill trees. 

961
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:48,840
Any Australian that wants a 
different variety of Evergreen 

962
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:52,040
get the Balsam Hill tree because
you get the look and you know. 

963
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,200
So good, aren't they? 
And we have like the white 

964
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,800
company version, but I love that
the lights are already built in 

965
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,160
as well. 
So there's like even light 

966
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,760
distribution. 
Perfect. 

967
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:02,240
But we bought when you buy a 
real tree, you don't think it 

968
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:05,280
looks that big when it's in like
outside and you bring it in the 

969
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,960
house, you have to like chop the
top off because you're, you 

970
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,280
know, you can't get it in the 
room. 

971
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,440
So there's all those, all those 
things to do as well, like a 

972
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,320
massive gap in the one side that
you wanted to like have in the 

973
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,640
room. 
So yeah, real truth come with 

974
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,720
that, and problems for sure. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

975
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,640
I don't know. 
I still feel like I want one 

976
00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:25,880
there anyway. 
Maybe when you give it a go. 

977
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,680
Overseas, yeah. 
I want to do a white Christmas 

978
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:32,960
one year and New Year's. 
I just have to plan it properly.

979
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,080
But it would be nice. 
And I want to do like an Airbnb 

980
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,800
and like, decorate it that way. 
So then it's like I have like a 

981
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,720
home, my way to home. 
I think that would be fun 

982
00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:42,480
because I can still do content 
and it would be like my take on 

983
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:43,920
a Christmas. 
Yeah, Oh my gosh, you should 

984
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,840
cut. 
Like London at Christmas is so 

985
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,520
good. 
Yeah, it's fantastic. 

986
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,160
Like all the lights? 
And the window displays, yeah, 

987
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,280
it's really great. 
Oh my God, Christmas in July. 

988
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:58,560
Love this chat, which leads me 
onto my speed round because 

989
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,680
everybody loves a good speed 
round, but I call it a speed 

990
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,720
round, but it, it never is a 
speed round. 

991
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:04,640
So you know what I mean? 
Like we're, we're, we're ready 

992
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,360
to have a chat through it. 
So yeah, for sure. 

993
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,000
Are we a morning person or are 
we a night owl when it comes to 

994
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,200
pottering around the house? 
I was thinking about this and I 

995
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,520
think I'm really, I think I'm a 
bit of both. 

996
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,280
Like I, if we like in the 
evening, like we're going up to 

997
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,680
bed, I'll come, I'll quickly pop
into the kitchen, like put the 

998
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,200
dishwasher on and like have a 
quick clean around. 

999
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,080
But that's like a closing shift.
Yeah, true. 

1000
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,120
Yeah, that is very true. 
And then like I guess pottering 

1001
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,440
the more like morning, mid 
morning. 

1002
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,960
But again it depends on my 
routine like on my on my content

1003
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,080
days yeah, I Potter more for 
sure. 

1004
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,480
And yeah and I I really just 
like just styling corners of the

1005
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,200
home like move shopping your own
home and moving things around in

1006
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,320
different rooms. 
So which? 

1007
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,840
And also moving the mess, 
because when you're filming, 

1008
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,520
you're like moving the mess from
room to room to room. 

1009
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,160
Like it's like, you know, like 
it's like this is what you see. 

1010
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:57,720
And then you turn it around and 
you're like, and that's 

1011
00:44:57,720 --> 00:45:00,000
everything over there. 
Yeah, it's like look like this. 

1012
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,360
There's all this stuff on the 
table. 

1013
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:05,120
Exactly, exactly. 
Real life comes into play. 

1014
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,760
Yeah, absolutely. 
So yeah, just moving piles of 

1015
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,360
things. 
Yeah, I do that a lot throughout

1016
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,960
the throughout the day for. 
Sure, but it's a game. 

1017
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,360
But Archie, when he comes home, 
I'm like, spot the difference, 

1018
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,440
like what's moved? 
I love that. 

1019
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,080
I love that. 
Yes, all the time. 

1020
00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:26,360
So #2 is curtains or blinds. 
I think it's a case by case 

1021
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:31,520
situation but I love curtain. 
I love like framing a window. 

1022
00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:33,800
I really don't like the phrase 
window treatment because it 

1023
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,960
gives me the ick of it. 
But I love curtains and I love 

1024
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:39,120
how they can frame a window and 
they bring more colour and 

1025
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,120
texture and personality into the
space. 

1026
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,120
But blinds definitely have 
place. 

1027
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,320
Although I don't really like, I 
don't mind like a Roman blind, 

1028
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:53,360
but I don't like, like, is it 
called Venetian blinds? 

1029
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,080
Shutters. 
I really like shutters. 

1030
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:01,200
I don't, I don't come home, but 
we do a cafe curtain at the 

1031
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,440
front of the house. 
But yeah, I like, I just think 

1032
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,040
it's another excuse to add more 
drama. 

1033
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:10,360
I have a really cool book called
the The Encyclopaedia of Curtain

1034
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:12,480
or whatever it's called. 
It's from like the 2000s. 

1035
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,240
I don't know if you saw it, I 
saw Received the Day, but it's 

1036
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:17,480
got all these illustrations of 
all these different helmets and 

1037
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:18,320
curtain. 
Finishes. 

1038
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,800
Yeah, I was going to say, you 
can get so much more creative 

1039
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,200
with the curtains, with the 
pleats and everything. 

1040
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,600
It's and obviously like hello 
someone who's studied textile 

1041
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,720
design, I was fully anticipating
curtains. 

1042
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,360
Yeah, yeah. 
Love it. 

1043
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,320
Mad for it. 
Give me a curtain any day. 

1044
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:34,280
What is your tips with curtains 
though? 

1045
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,240
Like I'm sure you've got plenty 
for people out there that are 

1046
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:37,520
struggling with the curtain 
thing. 

1047
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:42,080
I'd be the most obvious ones I 
think always take them to the 

1048
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,200
floor, don't have like 1/2 
length of curtain because you're

1049
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,120
chopping off the wall and 
depending on the height of your 

1050
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,920
ceiling, put the curtain rail on
the ceiling. 

1051
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,800
So then you've got the full 
length of the wall for the 

1052
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,920
curtain rather than having like 
this much gap. 

1053
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,080
If you can with coping it can be
a bit tricky sometimes. 

1054
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:58,760
So it just really adds to the 
drama. 

1055
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,760
And also make sure your curtains
are full. 

1056
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,680
So if you're getting someone to 
make them, they will know the 

1057
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,040
you need to have like double the
width of the window. 

1058
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,520
So when they're pulse together, 
they're not like too we talk 

1059
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,160
bits of fabric, you know, 
they've got the the movement in 

1060
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,880
them. 
Also, I can go for a statement 

1061
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,360
curtain and it like let it be a 
conversation piece. 

1062
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,240
I just think don't let them 
blend into the wall. 

1063
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:23,160
I think like really let them 
have their moment. 

1064
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,760
And always if you're if you 
don't go for a pencil pleat 

1065
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,560
because they're just like a nice
classic, but I always think like

1066
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,400
a double or a triple pinch pleat
look quite elevated. 

1067
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,760
A good tip that I have from 
someone who came and visited me 

1068
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,880
because I'm getting some 
curtains in this living room, 

1069
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:44,120
was doing the hem stitch the 
same height as my skirting 

1070
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,680
boards. 
So it's like a thicker, Yeah, 

1071
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,640
it's a thicker hem. 
So then when you look at it, 

1072
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:52,240
when it hits the ground, the 
like the eye line is the same. 

1073
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:53,280
And I thought that's a great 
idea. 

1074
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,440
And it also makes it a little 
bit heavier too because there's 

1075
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,200
more fabric that folds up so it 
has a better hang. 

1076
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,640
I was like, This is why you get 
the professionals guys. 

1077
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,120
I'm telling you now, so you know
what they're doing. 

1078
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,800
Any locals in? 
Well then check out Zen Design. 

1079
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,600
They're incredible. 
Yeah, that's great. 

1080
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,800
Totally agree with you. 
Curtains all the way. 

1081
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,400
Favourite place to sit with a 
cuppa, even though I think you 

1082
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,560
mentioned earlier it's got to be
out in the garden, yeah. 

1083
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,880
Yeah, although our garden is a 
work in progress at the moment 

1084
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,680
and that's probably a next 
year's job. 

1085
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:26,000
But yeah, we have like, yeah, 
it's just we actually to be in 

1086
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,280
the morning. 
I like to sit at the front of 

1087
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:28,280
the house because we get the 
sun. 

1088
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,880
So I'll sit in the front room 
and, like, let the sun, you 

1089
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,320
know, on my face. 
And then in the evening we get 

1090
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,760
the sun at the back. 
So it just depends on the day, 

1091
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:36,560
really. 
But yeah. 

1092
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,480
And there's a few. 
Places I'd like to sit with a 

1093
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:39,720
cup of tea. 
It's not I'm really bad. 

1094
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:42,160
Just sitting and like staring 
into like the into space. 

1095
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,640
Like I'm just like, I'm just 
looking at. 

1096
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,640
I'm like nothing. 
But yeah, I think you're just 

1097
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,440
sort of being outside and like 
having the doors open. 

1098
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,160
That's really nice. 
Especially this time of year. 

1099
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,640
That's my favourite place in the
summer, yeah. 

1100
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:56,360
Amazing. 
What's what is the home task 

1101
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,640
that you always put off? 
Washing. 

1102
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,160
I hate it. 
I hate doing washing. 

1103
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,080
I hate collecting things around 
the house to get point the 

1104
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,320
washing machine. 
I hate sorting out the colours. 

1105
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,600
Yeah. 
I hate hanging it on an arrow 

1106
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,840
like it's good at the moment 
because we can hang it outside. 

1107
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,320
Yeah, just really not. 
I just hate washing and then I 

1108
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,480
hate putting it away. 
Yeah. 

1109
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:22,640
I think that's right. 
I, I love like I do like washing

1110
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,440
up until the putting it away and
folding it, which is interesting

1111
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,920
given I'm the one who's making 
the beds and doing all that 

1112
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,040
stuff. 
But I like when it comes to 

1113
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,520
folding the clothes. 
I just, I can fold towels, I can

1114
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,680
fold tea towels, I can fold bed 
linen I use, I don't iron bed 

1115
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:39,280
linen. 
I steam it when it's on the bed.

1116
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,480
But when it comes to folding 
T-shirts and things like that, 

1117
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:42,640
everything is pretty much hung 
up. 

1118
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,000
I have my tops and my pants all 
hung up on Hangouts. 

1119
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,000
So that's my go to. 
Tip for anyone that honey to do 

1120
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,520
that, it makes all the 
difference, I'm telling you. 

1121
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,320
And if you have a wardrobe 
that's double stacked, like top 

1122
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,360
rail, bottom rail, you can do 
all the tops at the top and the 

1123
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,480
pants along the bottom and you 
can kind of coordinate them to 

1124
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:00,920
your outfit. 
So it kind of makes sense 

1125
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:01,880
because you're just like bop, 
bop. 

1126
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,800
OK, done. 
Like it's yeah, great. 

1127
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:05,240
Highly. 
Recommended. 

1128
00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:06,840
Needs to do that. 
We need to get some more clothes

1129
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,720
storage actually when we do that
room. 

1130
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:10,200
So yeah, I'll definitely 
consider that. 

1131
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:13,400
What's your favourite paint 
colour that you've used so far? 

1132
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,640
I think it has to be in the 
bedroom. 

1133
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,160
It's called Lion by Coat Paints 
and it's like this really soft 

1134
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,680
blue and in the morning, because
we're like east facing our 

1135
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,280
house, when the sun comes into 
the room, it gives us really 

1136
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,000
like nice warm. 
It's not like baby blue, it's 

1137
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,360
like a powdery blue and it goes 
really nice like the orange, 

1138
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,360
like the burnt orange Sienna 
headboard and like the colours 

1139
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,680
just Zing really lovely in that 
room in the morning. 

1140
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,320
And then at the end of the day 
it's like this cooler toned grey

1141
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,000
blue and it just looks really 
calm and sophisticated. 

1142
00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:45,880
So it's quite a relaxing room to
go to sleep in I think. 

1143
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,080
I love also how you can see how 
the colour changes throughout 

1144
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,840
the day, which is also amazing 
as a content creator because you

1145
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,080
can be like cool but also maybe 
a nightmare when you're a 

1146
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,120
content creator because you're 
like, Oh no, it's raining. 

1147
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,360
So it's like not giving me the 
vibe vibe that I needed. 

1148
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,720
Or, you know, if you're, if 
you're shooting something over a

1149
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:10,280
couple of days, yeah, if you're 
shooting over a couple of days, 

1150
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,200
yeah, sometimes the lights isn't
the same. 

1151
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,680
And then it's like, oh, 
continuity, yeah, is off. 

1152
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,920
But yeah, it's, it's a great 
colour, Yeah. 

1153
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:23,080
Well, yeah. 
Speaking of lights, how many 

1154
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,600
lamps do you think you have in 
your home? 

1155
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,600
I'm. 
Just going to do a quick mental 

1156
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,600
check. 
Are we just talking like table 

1157
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:30,960
lamps? 
We're talking like wall lights 

1158
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:35,360
as well. 
I think, I think, I don't know, 

1159
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:36,920
because they're like wall lights
and sconces. 

1160
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,480
They're kind of considered, 
they're kind of like a lamp, but

1161
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:42,400
let's just go with table lamps 
and like table lamps and 

1162
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:50,920
standing lamps. 
At the moment, 12, but there's 

1163
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:55,560
room for more. 
Yeah, I think I've got about 9 

1164
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:59,360
and are all of yours. 
Do you have Wi-Fi globes or do 

1165
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,360
you turn them off and on 
manually every day? 

1166
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,320
Turn them off and on. 
I just like turning the lights 

1167
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,560
on and off. 
I just, yeah, I love doing it. 

1168
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,320
This is my newest one. 
It's a big, she's massive. 

1169
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,680
But yeah, that's plugged in 
here. 

1170
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,040
Yeah, it's from 34 to Ski, which
is a Norfolk designer, and 

1171
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,280
they're just such a lovely 
brand. 

1172
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,360
And this is that hand like 
mosaic. 

1173
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,640
It's beautiful, like all hand 
place, but yeah, it's very 

1174
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,560
heavy. 
Yeah, no, it looks beautiful. 

1175
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,080
I love it. 
That's the thing, like with my 

1176
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,760
globes, I've got them all hooked
up to Google, Google Home, 

1177
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:36,840
They're the Genio globes. 
So I just tell Google to turn 

1178
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,960
them on and off every day. 
But I've also got them on my 

1179
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,320
hallway globes. 
So when I get home I just like 

1180
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,880
tell Google, turn the lights on,
turn the lights off and it just 

1181
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,080
doesn't form. 
That's so good. 

1182
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,240
Fantastic. 
And you can also adjust the 

1183
00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:50,000
temperature and the hue and you 
can adjust the brightness. 

1184
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,680
So it's great too, because, you 
know, sometimes. 

1185
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,720
Love. 
The globes can have different 

1186
00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:56,160
payouts. 
It's yeah, I do recommend the 

1187
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,800
genio ones are good and they 
last a really long time. 

1188
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,880
Any issue is I think that they 
do affect your power bill, but 

1189
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,440
like OK, not by too much, not by
too much, I don't think. 

1190
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,360
Good to know. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

1191
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,760
We've got so many different 
levels of lighting in the 

1192
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,600
kitchen because we got to design
it from scratch. 

1193
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:14,240
I did this full mental lighting 
plan for the electrician and he 

1194
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:16,240
said he was very impressed. 
I was like, thank you. 

1195
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,200
Yeah. 
Lots of like wall lights as well

1196
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,840
because I don't like the big 
light normally, No, yeah. 

1197
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,760
Yeah, yeah, light at different 
levels, eye levels is really 

1198
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:28,800
important, I think for sure for.
Sure. 

1199
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,960
Yeah, definitely. 
What's your go to weekend ritual

1200
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,440
at home? 
I'd say something that can 

1201
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,680
definitely vary depends if we're
seeing family or we usually sit 

1202
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,120
here there everywhere. 
But a Sunday, we usually get up 

1203
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,120
quite early and we take the dog 
over at our local Country Park 

1204
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,960
and have a coffee and just walk 
the dog together, which is nice 

1205
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:52,480
because in the week Art, she 
goes to work really early and so

1206
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,280
I will jog on my own. 
And then we probably go and 

1207
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,720
quickly do a food shop. 
And then we just spend the rest 

1208
00:53:57,720 --> 00:54:01,200
of the day like pottering at 
home or yeah, just having a bit 

1209
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,880
of a chill or I'm probably 
editing something. 

1210
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,000
I mean, I'll just cut in the 
grass in the garden. 

1211
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,280
Like, yeah, we just like to be 
at home as much as we can when 

1212
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,680
we can because because my family
don't live close by, sometimes 

1213
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,240
we can be away like quite a few 
weekends, like consecutively. 

1214
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:19,080
So yeah, when we get the chance 
to be at home, yeah, that's like

1215
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,200
the favourite weekend ritual for
sure on a Sunday, just pottering

1216
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,520
around. 
Amazing. 

1217
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,880
And so if your home had a 
soundtrack, what song would be 

1218
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,760
on repeat? 
I was thinking about this and I 

1219
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,280
was like, Oh my gosh, I feel 
like I have a different 

1220
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,560
soundtrack throughout the day. 
Never mind just. 

1221
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:36,000
Like what's your vibe? 
Like what? 

1222
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,800
Yeah, I think yeah, maybe like 
the soundtrack, like what's the 

1223
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,160
playlist we're playing? 
So usually like, it's like 

1224
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:46,640
Ocean's pop, but I love this. 
So I love like Céline Dion. 

1225
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,200
Share Share Believe he's on at 
least once a day. 

1226
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,720
Yeah. 
We love like, yeah, a bit of 

1227
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:56,360
LeAnn Rimes, like all of the 
great girls, Shania Twain, 

1228
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,560
they're all playing. 
But then in the evening you 

1229
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,080
can't something a bit more like 
chilled. 

1230
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,840
We love the film Call Me By Your
Name. 

1231
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,840
And like that soundtrack is so 
called, like such an Stevens 

1232
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,880
mystery of love. 
That's a great song. 

1233
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,240
And we're really into an Irish 
like country singer at the 

1234
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:11,600
moment. 
She's called Seem act. 

1235
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,480
I don't know if you ever heard 
of her and I'll give her a 

1236
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:15,560
listen. 
She's fantastic. 

1237
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,560
And yeah, she's, she's just got 
quite big this year. 

1238
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,360
I like, think she's like blowing
up a bitch. 

1239
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:22,600
She's got a new album coming out
soon. 

1240
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,240
But there's this song called I 
want to Be a Cowboy Baby, and 

1241
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:27,120
it's such a good song. 
You've got to listen. 

1242
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,720
But yeah, so we've listened to 
her quite a lot like, and just 

1243
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:33,480
like have like the doors open, 
have a little glass of wine on a

1244
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:34,920
weekend. 
She's quite nice. 

1245
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,360
But yeah, that's not the one who
was the butcher, the Baker. 

1246
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,760
In the yeah, her, yeah yeah, 
yeah, yeah her. 

1247
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,160
Oh, yeah, cool. 
I was. 

1248
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,400
I'm like, I'm like, this sounds 
familiar. 

1249
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,360
And I'm like, I don't want 
people being like, Louis, come 

1250
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,400
on, you know who this person is.
No, you did. 

1251
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,080
I was like, you gave me the pad 
around Tito. 

1252
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,080
But that song is good. 
That's one of her new ones. 

1253
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,200
But the one I was just trying to
is like one of her older songs. 

1254
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,960
But she's got such a great, 
eclectic catalogue. 

1255
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,600
You should listen to her. 
She's really good. 

1256
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:01,680
Amazing. 
I feel like it's hilarious. 

1257
00:56:01,720 --> 00:56:04,720
Everyone I've spoken to so far, 
everyone, well everyone has 

1258
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,480
rogue music taste though I have 
to say. 

1259
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,520
Like it's like out of all the 
home creators I'd love that I'm 

1260
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:13,720
music style isn't cohesive. 
With I'm the Princess, I'm mad 

1261
00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:16,480
for the pop pop and. 
Especially when like we're doing

1262
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,360
reels and we're setting songs to
like match the vibe of the song.

1263
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,720
But it's like, but it could be 
like nothing further from the 

1264
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:25,400
truth of what's actually playing
in the background. 

1265
00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:27,960
But admittedly I am a little bit
lame. 

1266
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,400
I think it must be my restaurant
upbringing and stuff like that 

1267
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:31,680
with like doing the soundtrack 
of stuff. 

1268
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,560
But I am like a dinner with 
friends playlist like anyone 

1269
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:37,200
that knows like the dinner with 
friends. 

1270
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:38,840
Play this on Spotify. 
It's a great one. 

1271
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,240
Yeah, it's a good, it is a good 
one. 

1272
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,960
And I'm also the type to listen 
to Billie Holiday and Frank 

1273
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:50,040
Sinatra and all that on my drive
and also at the gym. 

1274
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:51,960
So like, wow. 
Like, don't get me wrong. 

1275
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,560
I can listen to like, classic. 
I'm still like, I still know 

1276
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:56,080
what's happening. 
Like, I still know, like, the 

1277
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,280
most recent Sabrina Carpenter 
song or like, Oh yeah, Charlie 

1278
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,720
XCX has come up with a song or 
Troy Sivan or whoever. 

1279
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,480
And I'll also listen to the 
icons. 

1280
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,080
Yeah, love. 
Kylie But I have to say that 

1281
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,880
like my yeah, my usual thing 
that I have at home going is 

1282
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:17,240
like dinner with friends or like
classic jazz. 

1283
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,120
And if I find one on social 
media that goes with their 

1284
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,000
content, I'll be like, oh, I'm 
going to save that. 

1285
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,000
And then I like play it. 
It's I'm, I'm just, I'm it's the

1286
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,200
Virgo in me. 
I'm just too cohesive. 

1287
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:28,840
There you go. 
Yeah, you like you like the 

1288
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,280
cohesion. 
I like the chaos. 

1289
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,840
I just was. 
What I don't like about the 

1290
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,640
Instagram trending music is 
sometimes I don't like any of 

1291
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,320
them and I'm like, sometimes I 
just put them on that I like. 

1292
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:39,040
I'm like I. 
Agree. 

1293
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,880
Yeah. 
And it's if it's not performing,

1294
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:42,080
it's really annoying at the 
moment. 

1295
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,240
Like that Justin Bieber song is 
the most popular song. 

1296
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,600
It doesn't really, it doesn't 
really work with anything. 

1297
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,000
But then you also know that if 
you use a trending song, people 

1298
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,600
are probably going to listen. 
People get like, your watch time

1299
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,240
will go up because people want 
to hear the chorus. 

1300
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,080
So, like, you'll be tempted. 
I get tempted to like put the 

1301
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,560
bridge song first because then I
know they listen to the chorus, 

1302
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,000
even though it has like the 
other day I did a day in the 

1303
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,440
life on TikTok and I used Tracer
Barnes song and I knew that 

1304
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,400
people were going to wait for 
the whole thing because some 

1305
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,440
people connect to that and they 
also identify. 

1306
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,120
They see a lot of their identity
in musicians as well. 

1307
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,960
So you can kind of capitalise 
off the fact that like they love

1308
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,000
a musician. 
So they got to listen and watch 

1309
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,480
and like, like your content 
because they might not 

1310
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,240
understand home aesthetics. 
At the end of the day, like home

1311
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:31,080
and lifestyle is a very is a is 
a niche and some people get it 

1312
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:32,680
or they don't. 
But you've also got to try and 

1313
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,400
expand your audience and ways 
that you can do that is like 

1314
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,040
leveraging things like music 
artists and like popular 

1315
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,680
culture. 
Yeah, I know it's like a weird. 

1316
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,160
But like, at the same time, you 
don't want to, you also want to 

1317
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,360
speak to the people that get it.
Like, I know, like I know my 

1318
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:50,560
follower. 
And then they're like me, and I 

1319
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,280
know they're going to want to 
hear like a nice jazz song. 

1320
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:56,920
Sure. 
It's like, yeah, It's like, no, 

1321
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,200
it's like, no, it's your 
community and like still giving 

1322
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:01,960
them the content, but you're 
trying to like bring in 

1323
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,880
different, you know, you're 
trying to supplement yourself 

1324
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,600
also as well. 
It's such a fine balance, isn't 

1325
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,800
it? 
And sure. 

1326
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,400
My last question comes from a 
previous guest because every 

1327
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,600
episode I have the guest that's 
with me ask a question for the 

1328
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,480
next person to join me. 
And today's question is, what's 

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1 ritual or routine you think 
someone could add to their life 

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today that would make this space
feel more like home? 

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I would say. 
Creating a core now or a space 

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that you would love to just like
your favourite place to sit and 

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just like maybe have like a 
quiet 10 minutes. 

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Like could it be by a window? 
Could you be looking out into 

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nature? 
Could you be lighting candle or 

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just like even, I mean, I don't 
journal because I feel like my 

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mind's too chaotic, but I always
like the idea of it. 

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Could they like be journalling 
or like, you know, just having 

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that quiet like 10 minutes. 
I think people have their quiet 

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10 minutes in very different 
ways. 

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But I think that is like, quite 
a grounding ritual I think that 

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everyone should put into their 
routine because you're always 

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exposed. 
Like, especially like Instagram,

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TikTok, like short attention 
spans, like watching the telly, 

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like all of these different 
things, Like, the world's crazy,

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isn't it? 
So just set that time and switch

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off. 
So like 10 minutes, yeah. 

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In like a nice corner that 
you've created, I think is just 

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like a dream. 
Yeah, no, amazing. 

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01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,600
And putting thoughts into words 
is also really good because it 

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can stop. 
It can stop the constant cycle 

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of your brain running over a 
scenario sometimes. 

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01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:27,800
Good. 
It's a little bit of therapy 

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speak right there. 
But anyway, thank you so much, 

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Dan, for joining me today. 
It's been amazing to catch up 

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01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,600
with you and learn all about 
your story and have a little fun

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questionnaire and talk all 
things Christmas as well. 

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01:00:39,800 --> 01:00:41,040
Oh, no, yeah. 
Thank you so much. 

1359
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,280
It's been fantastic. 
It's so nice to finally talk to 

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you after following you for so 
many years. 

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01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:45,720
It's it. 
Yeah, it's. 

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Been fantastic. 
Thank you. 

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01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,080
And that's a wrap on today's 
episode of Fellow Friends in 

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Home and hosting. 
A big thank you to Dan for such 

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a thoughtful, fun and genuinely 
inspiring chat. 

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01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,400
I loved hearing about how his 
background and textiles shape 

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01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:02,720
the way he approaches his home, 
from the colours he chooses to 

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the little details that make 
each room feel layered and 

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lived. 
Whether it's carving out a 

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01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,560
corner for quiet, navigating a 
Renault with your partner, or 

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adding personality through 
secondhand finds, I think this 

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01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,560
episode was a great reminder 
that home isn't about getting it

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01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,240
perfect, it's about getting it 
right for you. 

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And if you haven't already, be 
sure to head over onto Instagram

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01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:26,560
and give Daniel a follow at a 
dot modest dot semi. 

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01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,000
His content is such a joy to 
watch and a beautiful example of

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01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:33,880
English interiors done with 
charm, wit and intention. 

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01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,880
And as always, if you love this 
episode so share it with a 

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01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:39,120
friend and leave a quick. 
Review or tag. 

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01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,240
Us while you're listening. 
It means a lot and helps us keep

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growing this little community. 
Until next time, keep pottering,

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keep styling, and keep making 
your home feel like home. 

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I'll see you in the next one.