1 00:00:06,690 --> 00:00:10,610 Hello and welcome back to Home and Hosting with Louis Burg, the 2 00:00:10,610 --> 00:00:14,810 podcast of We talk all things home hosting, interiors style, 3 00:00:14,810 --> 00:00:18,210 and how to make the everyday feel a little more considered. 4 00:00:18,730 --> 00:00:22,530 I'm your host, Louis Burg, and I hope you're doing well wherever 5 00:00:22,530 --> 00:00:24,850 you're listening from. If you're down here in the 6 00:00:24,850 --> 00:00:27,530 Southern hemisphere with me, I hope you're keeping warm, 7 00:00:27,810 --> 00:00:30,850 watching the leaves turn and fall and maybe leaning into 8 00:00:30,850 --> 00:00:33,330 those slower, cosier days at home. 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,440 I've been trying to find the sun wherever I can, and just 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,000 perching with my laptop and working away, trying to keep 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,080 cosy. But I do admit I am loving 12 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,720 wearing the robes and the cashmere knits and the cosy 13 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,440 slippers at home. But if you're listening 14 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,720 somewhere a little warmer, maybe you've got the windows open, 15 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,240 you're enjoying a proper spring clean, and that garden is 16 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:01,640 starting to do its thing again. Either way, I feel like this is 17 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,519 actually a very good time of year to look at our homes 18 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:07,440 properly. Whether you're getting ready to 19 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,120 hibernate a little more or refreshing things up for spring, 20 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,080 it's often the seasonal shifts that make us notice what is 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,280 working in our homes and what maybe isn't. 22 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,760 And today I want to talk about something I think comes up a lot 23 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,840 when we talk about homes, but maybe we don't always have the 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,360 right language for it. And that's the difference 25 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,720 between a home that is clean, a home that's styled, and a home 26 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:35,240 that actually feels considered. Because I think a lot of people 27 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,440 fall into two camps when it comes to what they think makes a 28 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,680 home nice. The first camp thinks is a nice 29 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:45,600 home is a clean home. Everything is spotless, the 30 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:50,160 cushions are thoroughly chopped, the carpet has vacuum lines, the 31 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,080 kitchen bench is completely clear, everything has been put 32 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,640 away. The house is tidy, the floors 33 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,840 are clean, the bed is made and visually it gives up this very 34 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,640 controlled idea of what a good home looks like. 35 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,280 And then there's the second camp, which is a nice home is a 36 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,560 styled one. Every surface has a tray, every 37 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,080 tray has a candle, every candle has a book. 38 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,560 Next to it there are vases, bowls, beads, tiny objects, 39 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,200 little stacks of books and cushions, throws, florals, 40 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,320 sculptures and every corner has been turned into a little 41 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,880 moment. And I think what's interesting 42 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,880 is that both of these homes are trying to achieve the same 43 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,560 thing. They're both trying to look nice 44 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:38,160 and feel nice. They're both trying to 45 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:42,640 communicate that the person who lives there cares, but one can 46 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:46,720 end up feeling sterile and the other one can end up feeling a 47 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,800 bit overdone. So today I want to talk about 48 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,280 the middle ground. Not just how to clean your home, 49 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:55,520 not how to decorate your home, but how to present your home 50 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,480 well. Because a home can be clean and 51 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,640 still not feel beautiful. And a home can be styled, it's 52 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:06,800 to not feel put together. And the home that actually feels 53 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,920 good is usually the one that is being considered clean enough to 54 00:03:10,920 --> 00:03:15,440 feel calm, style enough to feel warm, edited enough to feel 55 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:20,160 tasteful and personal enough to feel like someone actually lives 56 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,280 there. So let's get into it. 57 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,080 I want to start with the first type of home, which is what I'd 58 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:29,440 call the clean but sterile home. And this is the home where 59 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,600 everything is technically done. There's the sofa, there's the 60 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:36,280 coffee table, there's ATV unit, there's a dining table, there's 61 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,880 the bed frame, and there are two bedside tables. 62 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:41,800 And maybe there's a rug. And maybe there are cushions. 63 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,080 The furniture categories have been ticked off and the home is 64 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,240 clean. Everything is in its place. 65 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:49,720 The floors have been vacuumed. The surfaces have been wiped 66 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,200 down. The cushions are properly 67 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,920 chopped within an inch of their lives, like they're standing to 68 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,480 attention. Bunny ears is what stylist will 69 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,720 call it. But somehow, the home still 70 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,240 doesn't feel warm. It doesn't feel layered. 71 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,920 It doesn't feel beautiful in the way that a home can feel 72 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,160 beautiful, and I think that's because the cleanliness and the 73 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,360 presentation are not the same thing. 74 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:17,680 A clean home is very important. I'm not here saying don't clean 75 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,920 your home. Obviously clean your home. 76 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,000 A clean home makes you feel calmer, it makes you feel more 77 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,880 organised, it makes a space more pleasant to be in and obviously 78 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,640 it's more hygienic. A room can be spotless and still 79 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:34,400 feel cold because clean is the base level. 80 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,480 It's not the whole story and I think this is where some people 81 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,920 get stuck. They think of the home as tidy. 82 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,720 It means it's nice, but when you actually look at that room, 83 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,120 sometimes there's just no atmosphere. 84 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,000 There's no lamps, there's no softness, there's no art, no 85 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:57,120 interesting texture, no flowers, no books, no sense of ritual and 86 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,360 no sense of how the person actually lives. 87 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:03,000 It's just clean. It's just ticked all the boxes. 88 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,720 It feels quite corporate, like an office, and often the 89 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,680 furniture itself feels like it was chosen to complete the room 90 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,400 rather than create a feeling. And I want to be clear here 91 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,840 because this is not about budget. 92 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,640 This is not about saying every piece in your home needs to be 93 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,800 expensive, because it absolutely doesn't. 94 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,960 Some of the best times are built with simple, affordable pieces 95 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,400 that you can find of marketplace or you've inherited. 96 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,880 But there is a difference between choosing something 97 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,840 simple with intention and just buying the most obvious basic 98 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:35,640 version of something because you needed it to take it off the 99 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,360 list. Like sofa done, coffee table 100 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,440 done, TV unit done, dining table done. 101 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,560 And yes, technically the room has all the furniture it needs. 102 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,240 But does it have warmth? Does it have texture? 103 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,360 Does it have scale? Does it have lighting? 104 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,480 Does it have any personality? Are the colours and textures 105 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,120 speaking to one another? Does it actually feel like you 106 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:57,880 like? If you were to sit in the room, 107 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,600 would you complement the space? That's the difference. 108 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,960 Because a home being complete is not the same as being a home 109 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,960 that's considered. And this is where the clean but 110 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:09,760 sterile home can fall a bit flat. 111 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,080 It has order, but it doesn't always have atmosphere. 112 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,160 It can be neat, but it's not really inviting. 113 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,360 It might be tidy, but it's certainly not layered. 114 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,800 It might be practical, but it's not particularly beautiful. 115 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:28,800 It's the perfect motel. And I think sometimes people 116 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,840 almost remove the very things that make a home feel good 117 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,400 because they associate those things with clutter. 118 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,040 They remove all the books and they don't bother with lamps. 119 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,600 They've got overhead lighting. They don't need a bowl, they've 120 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,120 got a cupboard. They don't need flowers. 121 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,360 And if they do, maybe they'll just get some fake ones because 122 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:50,760 they live longer and look, that home is clean, but it's just a 123 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,640 bit bare. And I always think there is such 124 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,000 a difference between a home feeling calm and a home feeling 125 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,320 empty. Calm has intention. 126 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,760 Empty just feels like something's missing. 127 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,800 So if you're listening to this and you feel like your home is 128 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,400 clean but it still doesn't feel beautiful, I would not start by 129 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,120 buying a heap of decorative objects because I would start by 130 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:19,480 looking for warmth, lighting, textures, and life. 131 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,360 And I think lighting is probably the first one. 132 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:27,240 I do also think this kind of house happens to a lot of us 133 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,120 that are renting and we're afraid to take that leap into 134 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:36,680 giving it more of a homey feel. It could be because we see the 135 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,560 space as temporary. We don't want to risk not 136 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:45,560 getting our deposit back. We live with someone that's not 137 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,520 our partner so we don't want to overly invest. 138 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,720 But there are things that you can do that can make the space 139 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,120 feel homely without having to go overboard. 140 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,360 So like I said, lighting is probably the first one because 141 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,400 overhead lighting can make even a nice room feel harsh. 142 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:08,400 Lamps do so much work in a home. A table lamp on a console, a 143 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,880 floor lamp near a sofa, a bedside lamp with warm shades, 144 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,360 even a lamp in the kitchen or dining area if you have the 145 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,520 space. Lamps in different heights on 146 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,160 the table standing, that's what you want. 147 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,840 You want the different heights so it travels throughout the 148 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,880 room. Then I would look at texture. 149 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,200 A neutral room does not have to be boring, but the texture has 150 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:37,080 to be doing some of the work. Linen, wool, timber, ceramic, 151 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:42,880 rattan, stone, leather, velvet, woven baskets, a soft rug, a 152 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,400 heavier curtain, a textured cushion. 153 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:50,560 These things add depth without necessarily adding clutter and 154 00:08:50,560 --> 00:08:53,960 that's important because a lot of people here add more warmth 155 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,760 and think it means add more stuff. 156 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,040 It doesn't always mean more stuff. 157 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,520 Sometimes it just means better stuff. 158 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,520 Better lighting, better scale, better softness, better 159 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,680 materials. And if you're in a rental and 160 00:09:07,680 --> 00:09:10,480 don't want to over invest, I think after lamps it would be 161 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,640 bed linen. Grabbing yourself some beautiful 162 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,480 bed linen in a texture that you love and making sure that you 163 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,400 have a minimum of four standard pillows and a long lumbar so it 164 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,480 looks plush. Perfect. 165 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:26,400 There you go. So the next thing that I'd look 166 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,320 at is kind of speaking to the seasonal aspect. 167 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,040 And again, this doesn't mean that you have to turn your home 168 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,960 into a jungle. It could just be a bowl of 169 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,920 lemons. It just could be a bunch of 170 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,240 flowers. It could be branches in a vase. 171 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,160 It could be herbs in a jar in the kitchen or the fridge. 172 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,640 It could be something from the market that just gives your room 173 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,160 a bit of life. There is something about the 174 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,880 natural elements that immediately make a space feel 175 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,720 less sterile. And then I would look at the 176 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,760 walls and the scale of the room. A lot of the rooms feel 177 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,040 unfinished because the walls are bare, or because the art is too 178 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,640 small, or because everything is sitting low and there's no 179 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,960 height. One large artwork can do more 180 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,080 than five tiny things scattered around a mirror. 181 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,960 I can bring light and scale. A taller lamp can lift the eye, 182 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:20,160 and curtains can soften a room and make it feel more complete. 183 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,200 In Myspace, I've got curtains that draw the eye up. 184 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:29,400 I've got sculptural mirrors that act in place of both art and 185 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,240 mirrors, and they bounce the light around. 186 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,400 So if you're feeling like you're in that first camp where your 187 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,840 home is clean but it still feels a bit cold, the solution is not 188 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:42,040 to abandon all cleanliness. It's just to add a little bit of 189 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,600 life. Not clutter, life, warmth, 190 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:50,000 texture, lighting, scale, softness, and a few things that 191 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,640 actually reflect how you live. Now let's get on to the second 192 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,240 camp. It's pretty much the opposite. 193 00:10:57,680 --> 00:11:00,520 This is styled, but not actually put together. 194 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,440 This is the home where the person understands atmosphere. 195 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,000 They understand that a home needs layers. 196 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,520 They understand the power of a candle, a coffee table, book, a 197 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,520 vase and a tray and a good cushion and throw. 198 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,600 But the problem is that everything becomes styled. 199 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,960 Every surface has a moment. The coffee table moment, the 200 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,800 console table moment. The kitchen bench has a moment. 201 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,840 The bedside table has a moment, the bathroom moment. 202 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,560 The shelves have several moments. 203 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,320 Before you know it, the home starts feeling less like a home 204 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,880 and more like an amateur theatre set or like a TikTok for you 205 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,160 page home. Everything is performing. 206 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,560 Everything has an aspect of like a what's new page on a website. 207 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,960 And this is where I think we really have to make an important 208 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,280 distinction because there's a difference between clean and 209 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,720 styled. Because sometimes the over 210 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,600 styled home is not actually the cleanest home. 211 00:11:53,680 --> 00:11:56,560 It might look decorated, but it doesn't mean that it feels 212 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:59,280 fresh. It might have lots of objects, 213 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,400 but that does not mean it feels calm. 214 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,520 It might have atmosphere, but that does not mean it's well 215 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,360 presented. And it could be a multitude of 216 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:10,640 like atmospheres and feelings too. 217 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,480 Like if you're borrowing too many reference points on social 218 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,520 media, like you're speaking to different styles and aesthetics, 219 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:17,800 perhaps throughout the whole home. 220 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:22,120 So it can kind of feel confused and like cohesion, which is, you 221 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,440 know, an easy thing to slip into if you're unfamiliar with an 222 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,600 overall style and theme and you're relying on Pinterest or 223 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,920 TikTok. You'll be like, oh, entryway. 224 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,160 Oh, I love that entryway master bedroom. 225 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,840 Oh, I love that bedroom. And then kitchen cabinet island. 226 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,280 Oh, I love that. And like, before you know it, 227 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:42,800 they're all little vignettes, but they're all actually 228 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,680 completely different. Like 1 was more traditional, the 229 00:12:45,680 --> 00:12:47,920 other one was more beat century modern, and then the other one 230 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,760 was more eclectic and the other one was more dopamine decor, you 231 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,920 know? And let's not forget the more 232 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,960 stuff we have, the more things we have to clean. 233 00:12:55,360 --> 00:13:00,160 So dust kind of happens. So The funny thing about these 234 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,760 two camps is that the clean home often needs more styling and the 235 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,040 styles home often needs more cleaning and editing. 236 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,560 They actually need to take a page from each other's book 237 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,840 because styling is not just putting things out. 238 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,400 Styling is knowing what to leave out. 239 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,280 It's knowing what to remove. It's knowing when the surface 240 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,800 needs space. It's knowing when the room needs 241 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,040 to breathe. It's the art of restraint. 242 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,560 And I think this is where people are getting styling wrong. 243 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,960 They confuse styling with accumulation. 244 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,120 They think I need a tray, I need a candle, and then I need a book 245 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,560 and then I need a vase and then I need an object and I need 246 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:38,520 something sculptural. And then I need a bowl and I 247 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,240 need beads and I need another candle. 248 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,120 And suddenly the room just has no hierarchy. 249 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,440 Everything is trying to be interesting. 250 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:47,640 Everything is trying to be looked at. 251 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:52,040 Everything is trying to say, look, I have style, but when 252 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,280 everything is a moment, nothing is a moment. 253 00:13:55,560 --> 00:13:58,120 A home needs rhythm. It needs pauses. 254 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,880 It needs negative space. And I know negative space sounds 255 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,160 like a design term, but all it really means is that not every 256 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:06,640 inch of your home needs to be filled. 257 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,120 Not every surface needs an object, and not every wall needs 258 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,640 art. Not every corner needs a chair, 259 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,480 and not every shelf needs to be packed. 260 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,880 Sometimes the most expensive looking thing you can do is just 261 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,160 leave the space and let it breathe. 262 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,160 And the other thing with overstyling is that it creates 263 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,760 maintenance. If you have 7 objects on your 264 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,560 coffee table, you have 7 objects to dust. 265 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,960 You have to lift the tray, you have to clean under the tray, 266 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,360 you have to move the books, you have to refresh the flowers, you 267 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,400 have to deal with the candle wax, you have to straighten the 268 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,280 throw, you have to fluff the cushions. 269 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,480 And that's all fine if you actually want to live like that, 270 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,840 but styling has to be maintained. 271 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,840 You cannot just put things out and call it done forever. 272 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,920 And I think this is where a lot of homes become styled but not 273 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,040 necessarily well presented because the objects are there, 274 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,280 but the freshness is not. The intention is there, but the 275 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,960 editing is not. The home has been decorated, but 276 00:14:59,960 --> 00:15:02,560 it hasn't necessarily been considered. 277 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,200 And I think this also comes back to we collect lots of bits and 278 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:11,360 pieces and we just add more and more stuff to the space. 279 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:16,560 So that thinking, hey, that tray that I got five years ago, is 280 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,080 that really feeling like me now? Like are we in the same space? 281 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,400 Like that's from like 3 rentals? Like ago when I was in like a 282 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,720 mid century modern apartment and now I'm in like a townhouse, 283 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,240 like workers cottage is a bit more traditional. 284 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,200 Like is this speaking the same language? 285 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,280 I don't know, maybe I need to get rid of that tray and replace 286 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,480 it rather than getting two other the trays and then just moving 287 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,000 that tray into a different room because that room needs a little 288 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,040 bit more stuff. Like I think the filtering out 289 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,400 and doing that seasonal declutter is super important 290 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,040 when it comes to finding your way and making the home feel 291 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:55,600 more intentional and styled and a good reflection of you and 292 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,360 where you're at. So if you do feel like you're in 293 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,400 the second camp where your home feels style but maybe a little 294 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,240 bit busy or chaotic, I would start by just removing. 295 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,840 Take away about 30% of the small objects. 296 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,080 Not forever, just as an exercise. 297 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:14,600 Remove a few of the tiny pieces, clear one surface, take one tray 298 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,560 away, reduce the number of candles, edit the stack of 299 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:21,080 books, take out the thing that's only there because you felt like 300 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,360 it needed something, and then look again. 301 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,560 Does the room feel calmer? Can you see the better pieces 302 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,960 more clearly? Does the furniture have more 303 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,800 breathing room? Does the styling feel more 304 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,680 intentional? Because often when you remove 305 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:41,160 the extra things, the good things start to look better. 306 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,480 That's restraint. And restraint is not boring. 307 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,600 Restraint is what makes taste feel confident. 308 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,640 Also might I add, if it's feeling empty, just give 309 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,200 yourself a little time. Sometimes things can feel 310 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,520 uncertain and you're like, oh, I don't know that you need to give 311 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,360 yourself a day or even just sleep on it. 312 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,880 Take the things, move it into another room, go to bed, wake 313 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,800 up, walk into the space and feel fresh. 314 00:17:08,839 --> 00:17:11,400 It's like a Christmas time. You decorate the house at 315 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,000 Christmas, you pack it all away and you're like, Oh my God, the 316 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:17,319 house feels empty. You need to give yourself a 317 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:19,720 little bit of time to get used to it. 318 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,079 Just like a Christmas. You get used to it pretty 319 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:24,200 quickly and then before you know it, it's Christmas again. 320 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:25,680 You packed it away and it feels empty. 321 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,920 That's a good way to feel whether it feels right or 322 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:31,600 whether you've taken too much away. 323 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,080 The next thing I would look at is the function, because if the 324 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,480 styling gets in the way of living, it's not really good 325 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,640 styling. If there's nowhere to put a 326 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,680 drink on a coffee table, that is a problem. 327 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,560 If the bedside table is so starved that there's no room for 328 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:50,000 a glass of water or to put your phone to charge at night, that's 329 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,200 a problem. If an entry table has 3 candles 330 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,440 and a sculpture but nowhere to drop your keys, that's a 331 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,800 problem. If the surfer has so many 332 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,600 cushions that people have to throw half of them on the floor 333 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,960 before sitting on it, that is a problem. 334 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:07,800 A home should not be annoying to live in. 335 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:09,760 That might be the simplest way to put it. 336 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,760 A beautiful home should still work, and that is why the third 337 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,320 camp, the considered home, is the one that makes the most 338 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,040 sense to me. Because the considered home 339 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,560 takes the best parts of both. From the clean home, it takes 340 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,000 the order, the maintenance, the freshness, the clarity and the 341 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,080 calm. And from the styled home, it 342 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,560 takes the warmth, the texture, the atmosphere, the beauty and 343 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,760 the personality. And when those two things meet, 344 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,480 that's when a home starts to feel properly put together. 345 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:44,200 Cling but not sterile. Styled but not staged. 346 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:48,520 Personal but not chaotic. Practical but not bare. 347 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:52,200 Beautiful but just. It's still livable. 348 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,240 That is a considered home, and I think that's really where the 349 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,480 presentation comes into it because presentation is the 350 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,920 bridge between cleaning and styling. 351 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,360 It's not just whether your home is tidy and it's not just 352 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:08,640 whether your home is decorative. It's how all those things come 353 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:14,320 together to communicate care, comfort, taste and how you use 354 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,640 the space. A considered home does not feel 355 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,480 like someone is trying to prove anything. 356 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:21,880 They're not trying to prove that they're clean. 357 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,760 It also shouldn't feel like someone's trying to prove they 358 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,480 have taste either. It feels like someone has 359 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:28,920 thought about how they want to live. 360 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:30,880 And that to me is the difference. 361 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,920 And I think what also is a good thing to remember is that if you 362 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,520 feel stuck in your home, like you might not know exactly what 363 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,680 to do yet. You might not have the perfect 364 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,000 sofa or the perfect rug or the perfect artwork or the perfect 365 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,080 colour palette or layout. And that's totally fine. 366 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,160 But you can usually start by identifying what's holding the 367 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,200 space back, because I think most of us are naturally a little 368 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,480 better at noticing what we don't like then clearly articulating 369 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,120 what we do like. So you might be able to walk 370 00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:03,640 into a room and not know the perfect solution, but you can 371 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:06,880 probably say. This room feels cold or 372 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:10,360 cluttered or flat. The room feels busy or 373 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,480 unfinished. It feels maybe a bit generic or 374 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:19,080 hard to use or has no atmosphere or too many little things. 375 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:21,480 It feels clean, but it doesn't feel warm. 376 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:25,160 Or it feels styled but it feels busy and not calm. 377 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,680 And that's actually a really good place to start, because 378 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,760 once you can identify what's holding the space back, you're 379 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,200 no longer just randomly buying things or removing things. 380 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,160 You're diagnosing the room. If the room feels cold, then it 381 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,400 needs warmth, so texture and lighting. 382 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,760 If the room feels busy, then it might need editing or negative 383 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,080 space. If the room feels generic, maybe 384 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,680 it needs one or two pieces with more character. 385 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:54,320 If the room feels flat, then maybe it needs height or 386 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,800 contrast or art, or a better mix of materials. 387 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,720 If the room feels impractical, then maybe the styling is 388 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,800 getting in the way of how you actually live. 389 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:08,520 So instead of asking what do I buy next, or what's my style? 390 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,800 Sometimes the better question is just what's stopping this room 391 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,880 from feeling good? That question can get the ball 392 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,400 rolling because a considered home is not built by guessing, 393 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,040 it's just built by noticing. You notice what's off, what 394 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,840 feels bare, too cluttered or annoying to use. 395 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,280 You you're noticing what you want to avoid or you always have 396 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,720 to move things out of the way. And then you can make one 397 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,800 considered change at a time. You can add the lamp, the three 398 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,960 small objects, or remove those three small objects, replacing, 399 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,720 you know, a random trinket piece that you bought from a big box 400 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,680 store because it just doesn't mean anything. 401 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,320 You can be getting the bigger rug because you always knew that 402 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,760 that rug was too small for this space anyway. 403 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,400 You might find, you know, a really beautiful mirror to stand 404 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,280 in place of that artwork or print poster that you printed 405 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,360 off because you just needed something in your dorm room. 406 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:06,560 But the point is, you don't need to know the whole answer before 407 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,360 you begin. You just need to know what's 408 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:11,320 holding the space back and start somewhere. 409 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,280 So like, let's start with the coffee table. 410 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,640 A2 cling coffee table might be completely empty. 411 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,240 Maybe it's spotless. Maybe it is practical, but maybe 412 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:22,680 it doesn't add anything to the room. 413 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,520 It's just a surface. An overstar coffee table might 414 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,680 have the tray, the three books, a candle of ours, a bowl, beads, 415 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,600 object, flowers. Maybe it's just too interesting. 416 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,520 You know, it looks good in a photo, but real life there's 417 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,640 just nowhere to put anything. So the considered coffee table 418 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,800 might have one great looking book or vessel with flowers. 419 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:46,240 Maybe it has a tray. If it's useful and there's 420 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,800 enough empty space to actually use the table, that's the 421 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,360 difference. It is styled, but it still 422 00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:54,880 works. The same with the sofa. 423 00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:57,720 The two clean sofa has chopped cushions like they're chopped to 424 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:02,080 oblivion and nothing else. Or it's like with a rolled throw 425 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,200 that's like rolled up like a towel at a hotel. 426 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,960 The over styled sofa is like 9 cushions, a throw placed in 427 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,280 every specific angle, draped over that. 428 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,960 It goes over down into the floor and it has pom poms on the ends 429 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:15,960 and nobody knows where to really sit. 430 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,640 The considered sofa has enough cushions that add comfort and 431 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,720 texture. They speak to the style of the 432 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,600 sofa as well. And maybe there's a throw but 433 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:28,640 you know, it's folded nicely on the end and it like hangs over 434 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,120 the arm of the sofa. So it still feels that you can 435 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:34,160 sit down without ruining the room because that's what's 436 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,440 important. Your home should not feel like 437 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,960 one wrong move and it'll destroy the styling. 438 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,280 Now, like another example could be the entryway. 439 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,720 A2 clean entryway might have a bare console and nothing else or 440 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,680 some like fake branches off onto the side. 441 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,960 And it's like, you know, not looking great. 442 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,360 Maybe it's tidy, but it feels a bit sterile and cold. 443 00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:58,600 Whereas the over styled entryway might have a lamp and then a 444 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,400 bowl and then a candle and a vase and three books and a 445 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:02,800 sculpture. And it's all landing on a 446 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,920 console that's not big enough to hold all of this furniture. 447 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:08,360 And there's like a layer of dust underneath everything because 448 00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:09,960 you haven't been able to clean it lately. 449 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,240 Whereas the considered entryway might just have one lamp, a bowl 450 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,360 for the keys, and a mirror to check yourself before you leave 451 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:20,520 to get out the door with maybe a few seasonal flowers or 452 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,400 something. It has function, but it also has 453 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,320 atmosphere. A bedroom is another good one. 454 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,560 A clean bedroom might have a perfectly made bed, white 455 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,480 bedding or not even. It could even be like it has a 456 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,920 pattern and then you've got a magenta cushion, just one 457 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,880 cushion because every bed needs a cushion, but it's like too 458 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,040 small and it's, again, it's magenta on like a geometric 459 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,120 duvet cover. And you've got bare bedside 460 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:47,480 tables with harsh overhead lighting. 461 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,600 And it always feels like a random mattress showroom or 462 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,080 budget motel. An overstyle bedroom might have 463 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,480 way too many cushions that are like chopped and way too many 464 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,840 throws, The bedside tables carved in objects, a chair with 465 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,680 a throw on it, a tray. And suddenly the room just feels 466 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,160 like a boutique hotel cosplay, like a bed and breakfast. 467 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,800 You know, it's like interesting how I think of accommodation 468 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,760 references, but I feel like it really gives you an idea of what 469 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,760 I'm talking about. Whereas considered bedroom just 470 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:21,440 has nice beautiful bedding, warm lighting texture, some practical 471 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:25,600 bedside space, enough softness and the room feels nice to sleep 472 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,200 in because again, the room has to work for the life that 473 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,960 happens in it. And then a kitchen is a really 474 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,520 interesting one too. Like a too clean kitchen might 475 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,640 have absolutely everything hidden away and the bench is 476 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,920 clear, but it feels like a rental inspection. 477 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,840 Or it feels like you've closed up shop. 478 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,360 Like a bakery's like, tidied and closed and it's empty, nothing's 479 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:49,800 been pulled out. Whereas an overstarted kitchen 480 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,600 might have open shelves full of objects and jars and boards and 481 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,160 vases and cookbooks and candles and flowers and ceramics. 482 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,960 There's so much stuff that doesn't that shouldn't be in the 483 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,040 kitchen, but someone ended up in the kitchen. 484 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:05,240 A considered kitchen has clean surfaces, a few beautiful useful 485 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:10,040 things like a fruit bowl, good tea towels, some nice pots and 486 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,800 pans that you really love. That are the ones that like stay 487 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,520 out and look if you must, a couple of flowers and branches 488 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,320 if it suits, but only if it suits the room. 489 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,880 That's where I think people need to land. 490 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,200 Not empty, not cluttered, just considered. 491 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,960 And if you want to order your home, I would ask yourself a 492 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,360 couple of these questions. Does this room feel clean? 493 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,360 Does it feel warm? Does it feel easy to use? 494 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:40,120 Does this room have too many things? 495 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:43,240 Does this room have enough texture, lighting, and life? 496 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,720 Is there anything just feeling a void or a space that I've just 497 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,520 put there and I need to really get like go through and just get 498 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,760 rid of? Is there anything in the room 499 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,520 that's also making it harder to live in, Like that thing that's 500 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,680 filling the space? Can you diagnose what the room 501 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,720 really needs? Is the room clean but cold? 502 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,200 Then we need to add warmth. If it's star but busy, we need 503 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,840 to edit. If the room's beautiful but 504 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,320 annoying to use, we need to simplify. 505 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,760 This is such a practical way to think about it because the goal 506 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,520 is not perfection and it's not about making your home look like 507 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,840 mine or anyone else's or a catalogue or a Pinterest board. 508 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,280 The goal is to present your home in a way that reflects your life 509 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,640 well, and I think that's the point people miss. 510 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,680 A nice home is not just a home that has been cleaned. 511 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,640 A nice home is not just a home that has been decorated. 512 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,320 A nice home is a home where the decisions just make sense. 513 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,200 Furniture makes sense, the lighting makes sense, the 514 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,720 objects make sense. There's just the right amount of 515 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,560 styling and it's clean, you know it's clean. 516 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,480 That's what makes a home field put together. 517 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,040 And honestly, I think This is why some houses feel good even 518 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,360 when they're not perfect. They might not have the most 519 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:01,440 expensive furniture, they might not have the newest renovation, 520 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,400 they might not have every trend, but they have care and it has 521 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,120 rhythm and there's warmth, there's restraint, and they have 522 00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:12,800 a sense of person, you know, the person that lives there. 523 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,200 And that always is more interesting than a home that's 524 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,600 just clean or just styled. So if there's one thing I want 525 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,840 you to take away from this episode, it's this cleanliness 526 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,400 gives a home calm styling should give a home warmth. 527 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:33,160 Restraint gives the home taste and function gives a home, 528 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,600 meaning you need all four. Because if you only have 529 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,720 cleanliness, the home can feel sterile. 530 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,080 If you only have styling, the home can feel chaotic. 531 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,760 If you only have restraint, it can just feel empty. 532 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,480 And if you only have function, it can just fall flat because 533 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,920 they all need to work together. That's where a considered home 534 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,440 lives. And that to me is the difference 535 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,040 between a home that looks dumb and a home that actually feels 536 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,640 good. So this week, I'd love for you 537 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,920 to look at your rooms. You know your home 1 by 1 and 538 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,240 ask yourself, is this room clean, styled or considered? 539 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,000 And if it's clean but cold, you need to add some warmth. 540 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,320 If it's styled or busy, you need to take something away. 541 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,000 And if it's functional but flat, you just need to get in there 542 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,320 and add some atmosphere. And if it's beautiful but 543 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,120 annoying to use, well, we need to get into our routine. 544 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,320 And we need to simplify a few things because the best homes do 545 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,240 not feel untouched. They do not feel staged. 546 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,480 They just feel understood. And that's what we're all trying 547 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,480 to create. Thank you so much again for 548 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,560 listening to this episode of Home and Hosting with Louis 549 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,800 Bourke. If you enjoyed this episode, I'd 550 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,800 love for you to follow or subscribe wherever you're 551 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,040 listening. And if you have a moment, leave 552 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,560 a rating or review. It really does help the podcast, 553 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,560 which more people who love talking about homes, hosting and 554 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,800 making every day feel that little bit more considered. 555 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,720 You can also find me on Instagram and TikTok at Louis 556 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,600 Burke and over on the Journal at Louis Burke design.com/journal 557 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,520 for way more home and hosting and styling ideas. 558 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,680 And as always, thank you so much for spending the time with me, 559 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,760 and I'll see you very soon in the next episode.