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Welcome to fellow friends in 
Home and hosting a series within

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the main podcast Home and 
Hosting with Louis Burke. 

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In this series, I sit down with 
designers and creators from 

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around the world to talk about 
how we live, style and share the

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spaces we call home. 
But we're not just talking paint

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colours or furniture picks. 
These conversations are about 

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how we actually make a space 
feel like home. 

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The rituals, the layouts and the
small, intentional choices that 

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shape how we live day to day. 
Today I'm joined by two amazing 

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people who really embody the 
idea of making every moment an 

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experience. 
Alex and Mike are designed 

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forward OG content creators 
based in Philadelphia, known for

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turning their City Row home into
a lived in, layered and deeply 

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personal space, blending modern 
style with warmth, texture, and 

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intention. 
Whether they're styling a 

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beautiful tablescape, rethinking
their backyard layout, or 

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sharing hot takes on pillow 
chops and top sheets, their 

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content always brings a perfect 
mix of inspiration and 

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personality. 
In this episode, we share about 

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everything from scent rituals to
seasonal entertaining, and how 

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their fashion sense mirrors 
their interiors and the journey 

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of owning their first home, 
including the wild story of 

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buying the land behind the house
to create the backyard of their 

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dreams. 
So be sure to check out Alex and

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Mike's Instagram at Alex and 
Mike whilst listening to today's

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episode. 
And if you'd rather watch this 

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conversation, it's up on YouTube
now. 

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Without further ado, let's 
welcome our guests. 

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OK. 
Hi, Alex and Mike, welcome to 

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fellow friends at home and 
hosting. 

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It's so exciting to have you on.
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We are so excited to be here. 
Thank you so much for having us.

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Can't. 
Wait to chat. 

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I love to kick start the 
episodes with ascent focus 

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because I feel like, you know, 
as homebodies we know how to set

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the mood. 
So what are you guys burning at 

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the moment? 
We we recently discovered this 

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fragrance brand that I don't 
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sure other people have. 
It's called Glasshouse 

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Fragrances. 
Yes. 

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Yeah. 
OK well, they're an Australian 

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brand. 
Is it Australian? 

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OK, cool. 
Oh, great. 

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And so we got a selection of 
them and they're all amazing In 

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our bathroom right now is One 
Night in Rio, and I feel like 

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that's a really nice scent for a
bathroom. 

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But I love the whole line. 
I love, I love the packaging. 

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The glass jars are really. 
Just very minimal and I just 

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feel like it looks good in any 
kind of. 

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It helps I had no idea the 
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Brand, yeah. 
And the scents are very, like, 

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impactful. 
Like, I think Kyoto in Bloom is 

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probably one of their most 
popular scents. 

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But yeah, no, Glasshouse is 
pretty iconic. 

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I love that it's Australian. 
I love that I like a little 

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North Australian. 
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That's funny. 
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And I also saw that you guys got
the homie towels and robes the 

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other day. 
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Home is Australian as well. 
Yeah, we didn't know that. 

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We learned. 
Yeah, we're working on a 

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campaign with them right now and
their stuff is amazing. 

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The robe I never want to take. 
Off I know everything is so well

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made. 
The designs are incredible. 

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It's just so beautiful. 
It adds to the experience of 

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using all of their products. 
They're such an iconic brand. 

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They kind of started off with 
cushions and then they've 

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developed into sheets and 
pyjamas and loungewear. 

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It's been incredible to see them
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started in 2020, so they're 
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Oh yeah, OK, yeah. 
But it's amazing the stuff that 

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they've been able to do. 
And I likewise, I have one of 

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their robes on the way. 
It's very exciting. 

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They're rolling it out. 
They're kind of doing some stuff

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for the guys, so it's cool to 
see, like the textural robe. 

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I bet it's the same one our vis.
I think it's the terracotta, the

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colour. 
I'm getting like the chocolate 1

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I think. 
I love that one too. 

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We have. 
The chocolate towels, Yeah. 

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Yeah, it's so nice. 
The texture Got a Christmas 

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candle burning at the moment 
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Australia. 
So I'm Burning the Merrymaker by

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Paul Smith, The Paul Smith 
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We've never had a pulp before. 
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these candles where we were like
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They have different sizes. 
There's one like this size and 

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then there's one like quite 
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And they come with like matching
like all contrasting coloured 

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bits. 
So they're quite cute as little 

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vessels. 
They're very similar to the Paul

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Smith brand and the fact that 
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packaging has kind of got the 
multiple yeah colours in the 

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lines and things like that. 
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It's just crazy to think that 
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and you're in the middle of 
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It's kind of like a little crazy
play on the mind. 

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Yeah, I know. 
It's even the same, like when it

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comes to making content, you 
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about what else is going on 
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obviously, like, you know, it's 
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So it's like Halloween. 
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spring. 
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early and I'm going to go and 
get some like branches to like 

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put up by my door to hang bats 
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through. 
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Australia has this thing where 
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use like traditional evergreens,
but I'm just like, they're at 

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Evergreen, meaning they're 
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Do a reason for that. 
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because it feels like a 
traditional European or 

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Eurocentric tree that they want 
to go for more of like a palm 

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tropical energy. 
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before, it's like as soon as you
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Australia, that's not connected 
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it's quite cool climate. 
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in terms of like the leaves go 
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and some parts of NSW, but it's 
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area where they might do 
something a little bit more, you

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know, Palmy. 
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generally. 
Like, they're not great to 

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decorate, you know? 
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People in California when 
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feels like very tropical and 
they're decorating their palm 

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trees. 
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Yeah, the exact same vibe. 
Honestly, it's like it's but are

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you guys real Christmas tree 
types or are you faux Christmas 

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tree? 
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To be real Christmas tree types,
but we decorate so early for 

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content purposes. 
I think our tree last year went 

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up Halloween night. 
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the trick or treaters were done 
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content if we were to have a 
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Tree it would not. 
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Yeah, we have the fake tree, the
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feel nostalgic because I grew up
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would do the chopping and all of
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And it does feel very Christmas 
like ROM com movie. 

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But artificial is easy. 
Maybe this year we'll do like a 

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fake tree and then also, I don't
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tree somewhere else. 
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Little baby tree, Yeah. 
No, I'm totally like that as 

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well. 
I've got 2 artificial tree. 

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I've got two of the Balsam Hill 
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Yeah. 
They're the best trees. 

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They are the best trees, right? 
They are like I tell everyone 

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every year, I'm just like, come 
on, just bite the bullet. 

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You're going to have it for the 
rest of your life. 

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Like it's totally worthwhile. 
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decorating real trees versus 
faux trees is you can't decorate

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real trees very well generally 
with the ornaments like they 

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they don't sit on the tree 
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It's hard. 
There's a lot of you're, you're,

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you're fluffing the branches and
it never works out right. 

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And then they're, they're drying
out and falling. 

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So it's it's better to have 
those. 

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Because I've known you guys for 
so long now, I feel like it's 

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been over 10 years. 
We go all the way back to early 

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Instagram days, but let everyone
know like a bit of your back. 

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Story like so we started in 
social media back in 2015. 

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So it has been a decade, which 
is wild and it really ages you 

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when you think about the 
timeline. 

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But we, we've been married for 
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We've been together for over a 
decade, met in college, but then

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when we moved to Philly, moved 
to the city and moved in 

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together and started our 
careers, we had this desire for 

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some sort of creative outlet. 
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social media and our shared love
for interior design and 

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lifestyle content and all of 
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And it's funny because when we 
first started kind of in the 

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social media world, we always 
wanted to have a YouTube channel

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for some reason, but we just 
felt like it was so daunting. 

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There's so much equipment, 
lighting and cameras and 

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editing. 
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And we kind of thought, you 
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whole like blogging world. 
I loved photography and he loved

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writing. 
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would be like the perfect 
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All of that and 2015 was like. 
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Big blog, it was kind of like 
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It started before you know, like
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days, the Myspace, but I feel 
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everyone was subscribing to 
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Obviously TikTok wasn't around 
Instagram was there, but it was 

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just a different like you get it
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to social media and like the 
influencer world, I'm like it 

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was just a different time back 
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I kind of missed it in parts of 
it because it was so it felt 

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like such a community and it 
felt so like creative forward, 

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you know, it was just different.
So that's why we started our 

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blog and we did it for a long 
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We just kind of did it more as 
like a passion project. 

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We kind of wanted something to 
take our minds off of our 

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careers a bit and do something 
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And we just figured that, you 
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shoot some photos of each other 
and kind of just talk about all 

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of our interests, that we would 
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And then, you know, our parents 
followed us, our friends to our.

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Moms on Facebook and that was 
like the extent of what we 

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thought social media would be 
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We never thought it would be a 
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I'm sure I don't know if you how
that was for you and your 

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creation of social media or like
your foray into it, but it was 

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definitely just a side thing 
that then came something so much

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bigger than we expected. 
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Well, definitely, I feel like, 
like you guys were saying with 

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the blogging, it was sort of, I 
think it was a, it was stemming 

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off the traditional media side 
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So people were still writing 
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Like if you remember back in the
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1st PR events were very much 
heavily focused on that media 

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showings because they started 
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then it kind of progressed from 
there and turning, you know, and

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everything was a lot more, you 
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versus looking and consuming 
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So the way that it's made able 
to grow and then the idea like 

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if us sitting here now and the 
idea that, you know, video 

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content would be like one of the
main things that people are 

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consuming now. 
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like. 
It is. 

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I remember in 2016 we had been 
pretty consistent with our blog 

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and I don't know if you remember
the platform blog Lovin, if that

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was if that made its way to 
Australia, I don't know. 

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But do you remember the Yeah, we
it was it was an app. 

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It's I guess I'm assuming that I
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around there. 
I think they've gone. 

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I don't think they're thinking 

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defunct now, but it was an app 
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and you would subscribe to them 
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Instagram. 
And it was just where someone 

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And it was just so like that 
wouldn't be around. 

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I mean, well, I guess you know 
what it is now It's sub stack. 

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That's what it's. 
Trying. 

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I was about to say it's kind of 
like a sub stack sub. 

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Stack existed back then, but it 
was really like that. 

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content and podcast. 
It's just, it's changed. 

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It's fun, but it just has 
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play on relationships. 
I just feel like, you know, back

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in the day there weren't really 
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in the social media world. 
I feel like because everything 

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was just kind of, you know, 
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some of our best friends through

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Instagram and TikTok and going 
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Or the community that you build,
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there. 
There's been such an emphasis on

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like who is on the other side, 
reading the content and watching

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the videos. 
So it has changed a lot. 

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What year did you start in this 
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I think if I think back to my 

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started talking more about 
beauty. 

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exposed because she started 

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getting invited to a lot of the 
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lot smaller population as well. 
She was living in Sydney, right?

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started happening there for her.

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side of things and that that's 
why I kind of knew about 

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bloggers and people like her. 
Many people, yeah. 

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Valley, which is in NSW, to 
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I started studying design. 
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capitalise on networking and how
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I can do that through a free 
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interested in, that should start
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meeting people and things like 
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Yeah, yeah. 
It goes back a while though, 

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like that's early 20s and now 
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long time. 
But in terms of going full time 

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with content, it's probably been
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So it took a little while for it

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to really build my mentor, I 
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us or people we meet at events 
that might be newer to the 

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social media space. 
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with the virality of social 
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feels like I don't remember 
people going viral like they do 

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now, right? 
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TikTok and the next day could 
have a million followers. 

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If, if this algorithm treats you
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And we always say, you know, it 
took us a long time to do full 

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time content and like make this 
a career. 

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thing because. 
We're able to learn so much over

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the years. 
And how to treat it as a job. 

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Exactly. 
And gain a lot of experience and

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yeah, like you said, really 
treat it as a career, a career 

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really. 
And I just feel like nowadays 

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there's not much appreciation in
the social media world. 

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I think people, they are 
entitled to it or they deserve 

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it, you know? 
I think also it's like when it's

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slower, you have more time to 
sit and think about what you 

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want to be as a brand. 
Whereas I feel like when you you

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go up too quickly, especially 
with people that I've noticed 

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who got quite quickly, they get 
a bit lost because they get 

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stuck in that one thing that 
made them big and then they 

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don't know where to go from 
there. 

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And that's when you can really 
fall over because social media 

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is so much about reinvention. 
And if you don't have your main 

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pillars that you stand by the 
things that you go off, you can 

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struggle really hard to keep the
momentum and keep the 

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consistency because you kind of 
run out of ideas. 

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People get over what you were 
doing before. 

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So I think doing the slow pace 
is a lot better because you 

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build up a really good 
foundation about what am I 

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trying to say, who is my 
audience, Who am I speaking to? 

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You have a voice that is like a 
foundational voice that people, 

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no matter who comes to you 
knows, OK, this is this is who 

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they are. 
No matter what around their 

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content changes. 
I know who they are at like the 

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core. 
You build value, you know. 

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Yeah. 
And like I think also you can 

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then turn it into, you can take 
that information you've learned 

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and put it on lots of platforms 
exactly. 

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Instagram or a podcast or a 
blog, you know, so it all works 

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out. 
Yeah, I want to try the candle 

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that you just mentioned in your 
June favourites. 

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What was that the Sola? 
The Soolong, Your candle. 

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Sassafras. 
Yeah. 

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Choice of ants. 
Candle. 

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Yeah, it's very smoky, leathery.
It's like, I always love to play

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into the seasons, right? 
For sure I. 

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Was going to ask, do you guys 
like to do that as well? 

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Yes, definitely the the season 
and the and just the weather 

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too. 
I feel like it's so dependent on

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how we set the mood when it fits
a chilly, cool evening. 

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I want something that feels like
a nice hug, you know, a warm 

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sweater or something like that. 
Yeah, but I feel like, you know,

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with fall, we're always burning 
candles that are very fall 

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forward, and then we kind of 
move into the whole winter 

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scents and then, you know, same 
with spring and summer. 

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Yeah, I feel like scent is the 
best way to be able to do that 

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really. 
Like you can do things like I 

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always also like to ask people 
like, what's something that you 

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like to do to film more in the 
moment when it comes to the 

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home? 
So like for me, it's like, I 

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think flowers play a really 
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fact that they only last a week.
Like a lot of people can focus 

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on fake flowers, but I think 
having real flowers is that nod 

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to go, well, I'm actually living
in this moment right now. 

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Especially when you get seasonal
flowers too, it really speaks 

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to, this is like the one time in
that week that I'm having where 

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I get to really like have that. 
You to be present too. 

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I think that's something we 
always say, you know, our vase 

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on our island is empty right 
now. 

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And I keep thinking like, I want
a beautiful bouquet there 

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because that's that makes you 
feel present when you're in the 

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kitchen, you're cooking, you're 
having coffee. 

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But yeah, fresh florals is 
something that is very powerful.

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Yeah, we always say we love to 
create more of an experience 

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when we have family or friends 
over in our home. 

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And the two things we always 
love to do is have fresh florals

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or some sort of like STEM and 
then also have a candle burning 

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always. 
Candle or incense? 

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But yeah, we, we always candle, 
but we've also been leaning into

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incense too, a lot because I 
feel like we found like lately 

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there's so many really cool 
bespoke brands that are making 

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beautiful incense holders that 
look different and unique. 

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The 1:00 we we just put in the 
third floor. 

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It's the sphere with these 
little holes on the top and it 

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just the way that the incense 
comes out, it's, it's really 

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beautiful. 
So it's another way to be more 

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present in the moment, in the 
scent. 

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There's a. 
A candle company based out of 

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New York. 
I don't know if you ever heard 

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of them. 
Apollo. 

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They are one of our favourites 
just because the scents are 

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incredible and I feel like very 
well designed. 

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But they all are made in Rydell 
glasses, so once you're finished

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burning through the candle, you 
can use that glass as like an 

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evening cocktail glass, which is
beautiful. 

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So it's kind of repurposing, 
it's making you, I feel like 

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it's always, it's a memory, then
it's creating a memory. 

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It's I love that. 
So are you guys originally from 

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Philadelphia? 
We're not. 

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So we grew up in two different 
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I grew up in South Jersey, in 
New Jersey, and I went to school

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near his hometown, about four 
hours from my hometown down in 

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New Jersey, and then he grew up 
in central PA. 

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Yeah, I grew up in a really 
small rural town, like farmland,

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OK, Very opposite from who I am 
today, which is so funny. 

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Opposite who I've always been, I
should say. 

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I moved away when I was 18, went
to college, which wasn't that 

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far away. 
It was only like 45 minutes 

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away. 
But it still felt like I'm 

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leaving home, right? 
I'm leaving where I grew up, and

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that's where we met. 
But my whole family still lives 

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in my hometown. 
He's the only person that left 

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of all the cousins uncles. 
Everyone yeah, I appreciate 

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where I'm from now a lot more 
than when I did growing up 

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there, which I think is very 
true for most people. 

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You know, you feel like you you 
reject where you came from so 

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much because if it's opposite of
who you are and what you think. 

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But now as I'm older, I'm in my 
30s, I feel I'm excited when I 

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go back home because it feels 
like, oh, I have these memories.

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It's it's so different than the 
city and it's luckily where 

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close to where we met. 
So that's also has. 

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And Philadelphia was the closest
city to our college, so that's 

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where we decided to kind of 
reside. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, amazing. 

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So like with that as well. 
So did you guys rent in Philly 

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1st and then you recently 
bought? 

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Yes. 
So we so we moved to Philly in 

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2015 and we rented a tiny 
apartment. 

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It was less than 400 square 
feet. 

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I don't know how we lived there 
with a one bedroom with a dog. 

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It was insane. 
It was brand new, so that was 

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like the one perk about it, that
it was beautifully designed, but

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it was very. 
Very small, yeah, so, so small. 

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We had our dog there and we 
lived there for a couple years 

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and then we moved to one other 
neighbourhood and rented until 

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we bought the house right now, 
which we bought at the end of 

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2019. 
So we I lived here for almost 6 

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years which is crazy. 
And we purchased this home right

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before COVID. 
So before COVID, we were just so

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lucky with, you know, all the 
interest rates and all that 

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because after COVID had 
everything just skyrocketed. 

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Yeah. 
So everything, yeah, we bought 

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it such an interesting time 
though, because because of COVID

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and the lockdowns, it it forced 
us I think more so than had we 

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not had that weird time, time in
history where we just focused on

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our space. 
And you know, as many negative 

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things that came from COVID, I 
think 1 positive thing for, you 

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know, an individual is it force 
us to like protect our space and

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our peace and let's create our 
home to be like our safety from 

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everything else, which was kind 
of a beautiful thing. 

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And I think that we now taken to
now every aspect is like what 

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you do in your four walls that 
you have matter so much to how 

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you live your life and and the 
design of of your home. 

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So that was fun. 
We were home for two years. 

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It felt like just like, OK, what
project can we do? 

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What design can we do? 
Which is really? 

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Fun and it's funny because you 
know, before COVID, we kind of I

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mean we did focus on home 
design, but we had a big 

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emphasis also on skin care and 
fashion and all these other 

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topics. 
But I feel like once we were 

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here and we were stuck in the 
house for a couple of years, 

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that really transitioned our 
focus on to home design much 

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more than we were prior to that.
I'm so I feel like, you know, 

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just doing all the different 
projects we did in our house, we

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kind of went through each room 
and put a new, I don't know, 

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like a fresh face to each room. 
And that really allowed us, I 

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feel like, to grow our design 
audience, if you will. 

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But that totally makes sense. 
And I think also a lot of people

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would resonate with that. 
I feel like the home arena 

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00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,120
really started to kick off, 
particularly around young 

452
00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:06,720
people, yeah. 
In like the early twenty 20s, 

453
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,120
like 20/20/23 because previously
to that with my experience of 

454
00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:12,200
being like a photographic 
stylist, like we were doing a 

455
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,520
lot of backpack shoots and ecom 
shoots. 

456
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,720
And it was always with the idea 
that we were selling to usually 

457
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,880
a woman who's 45 plus because 
their kids are like in high 

458
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,800
school, they got more disposable
income. 

459
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,960
So everything kind of like was 
geared towards them. 

460
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,200
Right when I started in on 
TikTok in 2020, making beds, 

461
00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,400
which no one was doing. 
I swear I was the early person 

462
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,960
making a bed on TikTok back in 
the day. 

463
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,240
But it was a great platform just
to do something where, well, it 

464
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,720
was stop motion and I didn't 
have to think and it wasn't 

465
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,320
perfect. 
Because I think and you guys I'm

466
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,560
sure will resonate, is that when
you want to do really beautiful 

467
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:42,960
things and when you're 
passionate about putting 

468
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,400
something online, if it's done 
in such an aesthetic way, some 

469
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,280
people don't understand it 
because it's not everyday enough

470
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,240
for them, so they don't. 
Sometimes for them. 

471
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,280
Yeah, exactly. 
So TikTok was a really good 

472
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,800
platform to just like post 
random things and not have to 

473
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,120
think about it too much and not 
worry that people on Instagram 

474
00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:02,240
would see it. 
But the way that it's extended 

475
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,160
in terms of like us talking 
about homie earlier, that came 

476
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:08,960
out of the pandemic, you know, 
it started in like 2020-2021. 

477
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,520
So and that's totally been 
geared towards young people who 

478
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,120
are building at their home in 
their space. 

479
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:15,840
And also the idea that people 
couldn't travel as much. 

480
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,320
So people started bringing 
people over more, so more dinner

481
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,480
parties, the people were setting
tables more and things like 

482
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,360
that. 
So it's been interesting to see 

483
00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:25,240
how that's developed, but also 
the fact that you guys both 

484
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,960
aren't originally from Philly. 
Did you ever feel like there was

485
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,120
a need to kind of create a home 
base because you guys weren't 

486
00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:33,440
close to home? 
Or do you feel like it really 

487
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,320
kind of came about through 
lockdown? 

488
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,440
No, that's interesting. 
Yeah, I thought, I never thought

489
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,480
about that, but that is very 
true because we were coming 

490
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:46,240
together at such a precarious 
time in life and moving to 

491
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,280
Philly and I, you know, you're 
probably right. 

492
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:53,120
It felt like we needed to create
some home base, some safety net 

493
00:21:53,120 --> 00:21:56,760
for ourselves and together. 
I think that this definitely is 

494
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,480
the first, aside from the, you 
know, the two other homes we 

495
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,800
rented before, this is the first
space where it feels like it's a

496
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,760
true representation of the both 
of us, that we came into it 

497
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,000
together. 
So yeah, I guess that is true. 

498
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,480
And it does feel like, I think 
it's interesting, like when 

499
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,680
you're growing up, you call home
as where you came from for a 

500
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,520
really long time, your parents 
place. 

501
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,040
And then all of a sudden 
something changes. 

502
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,480
And one day you realise you're 
not calling it that anymore. 

503
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:22,720
You're not thinking of it that 
way. 

504
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,400
And I feel like probably until 
we moved here, my mind probably 

505
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,160
would have thought about the 
that being home until now. 

506
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,080
And this is home, Yeah. 
I always love to ask people like

507
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,640
what, like what do you feel like
brings out that feeling of home?

508
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,640
And I think maybe you guys 
hadn't considered because you 

509
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,480
had each other. 
And sometimes when you have each

510
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,320
other, that's your. 
Well, that's what we come back 

511
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,120
to because we're here together 
and we're doing. 

512
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,200
Yeah, Yeah. 
You know. 

513
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,920
That's, that's an interesting, 
that's a, that's a beautiful, 

514
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,840
fun way to think about it, for 
sure. 

515
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,320
Yeah, it was obviously so 
exciting with you guys 

516
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,360
purchasing your first home and 
it's a row home. 

517
00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:57,080
Yes, it is. 
Yes, it is. 

518
00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:58,600
Yeah. 
So for people who aren't 

519
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,680
familiar with a row home, how 
would you describe? 

520
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:06,240
A box, No, with with limited 
windows and horrible natural 

521
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,640
lighting that you have to work 
around. 

522
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,480
We're a mix of city and suburbs,
our neighbourhood. 

523
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,360
So we're we're still in the 
city, but we have some suburban 

524
00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:16,760
homes around us with these big 
yards. 

525
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,960
But then our whole block is very
much city block. 

526
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,280
And so ours is a three Storey 
home with a basement. 

527
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,760
We're connected to house on the 
other side of us and it's almost

528
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,320
every house like this is the 
same layout. 

529
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:34,320
So it forces you to either stick
with that box or get creative 

530
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,560
because you're going to go crazy
if you don't think of something 

531
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:39,560
else because it's going to look 
like everyone else. 

532
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,640
And that's exactly where our 
city row home series kind of 

533
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,400
developed because we noticed 
that going in all of the other 

534
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,240
row homes for the city, our 
friends row homes. 

535
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,240
Or. 
Touring houses, everything just 

536
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,000
looked the same. 
They all had the same flooring, 

537
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,520
the same kitchen layout, the 
same grey builders grade walls. 

538
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,760
And so we thought, you know, why
don't we do a series where we 

539
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,560
can kind of talk to our 
audience, You know, people may 

540
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,480
be experiencing the same type of
home that we are. 

541
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,440
And. 
Because this is a very typical 

542
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,080
home for people in Philadelphia.
I mean, the majority of people 

543
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,960
if you're not living in an 
apartment building downtown or 

544
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,080
you're living in the suburbs, 
you're living in a home like 

545
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,880
this. 
They're almost all of them look 

546
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,320
like this and and the same. 
Yeah, I think from memory, like 

547
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,680
when I looked like when I've 
seen your guys place, it's very 

548
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,080
similar to that of like a 
terrace house, but it doesn't 

549
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,000
have like a veranda on it. 
It's like flat on the front and 

550
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,840
then it has like steps up. 
Yeah, and, but and next to one 

551
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,360
another is what? 
It's a whole line of all of. 

552
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,480
It if you're on the end, you can
luckily get some like side 

553
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,880
light, but if you're in the 
middle, you've got like the 

554
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,440
front facing windows and the 
back facing windows and that's 

555
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,040
it. 
On the one side of our house we 

556
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,880
don't have a home connected to 
us, so we're luckily we have a 

557
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,760
couple of windows on that side 
which allows the natural light 

558
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,640
to come in, yes. 
But it's not that much lighting.

559
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,600
We we're always like, when how 
can we get more lighting, right?

560
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,520
What, what wall can we knock 
down to like, but there, you 

561
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,040
know, there's, there's nothing. 
But you do have to get creative 

562
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:02,120
and how you style it so that it 
feels bright enough without it. 

563
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,800
You know, when when you have 
dreary days like today and the 

564
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,760
lights gone, you're like, Oh my 
gosh, it feels like it's 9:00 PM

565
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,760
at 11 AM. 
Yeah, yeah. 

566
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,880
It's essentially like the time 
of the year and like where the 

567
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,960
house is positioned and 
everything. 

568
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,320
So obviously you guys saved up 
to buy this house, which is a 

569
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,040
huge investment when you think 
about it. 

570
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,600
So when you got in there and 
you're like, cool, we're buying 

571
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,040
a row home. 
Like it's a classic home in 

572
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,520
Philly. 
Like we want to make our own, 

573
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,760
but you've obviously put all 
this money into your deposit and

574
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,400
things like that. 
Like, what were the first things

575
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,200
that you feel like made the 
biggest impact into making that 

576
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,920
space feel more like you like? 
I mean, the number one thing we 

577
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,760
always talk about is paint. 
I think paint can completely 

578
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:42,200
transform a space and lighting. 
When we moved into our home, 

579
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,760
probably within the first two 
months, we had painted almost 

580
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,880
every single room in the house 
and we changed every single 

581
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,080
light fixture in the entire 
house. 

582
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,440
And that I mean, it looked like 
almost like it was a brand new 

583
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:57,480
home walking into it. 
Yeah, and it can be, especially 

584
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,120
if you're just buying a house, 
right? 

585
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,000
You, you spent all of this 
money. 

586
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,040
That can be a really affordable 
way. 

587
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,120
Obviously, yes, there's lighting
that can get expensive, of 

588
00:26:06,120 --> 00:26:08,400
course. 
And as you go on in the years, 

589
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,800
you can always upgrade. 
But in the beginning, you can 

590
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,240
find really affordable ways to 
change your space. 

591
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,120
Lighting and paint is probably 
the two biggest things that we 

592
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:19,480
did, the most important things 
we did right when we moved in. 

593
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,680
Always here, yeah. 
And I recall that you guys were 

594
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,920
talking about how you originally
did like the first floor like 

595
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,480
initially because that's where 
you spent the most time and then

596
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:29,520
you've gone on to do the other 
levels as you've gone on. 

597
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,000
Yeah, just kind of like for us 
it can. 

598
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,840
And for most people it can feel 
especially then when you have a 

599
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,520
multiple floor house, it can 
feel overwhelming because you 

600
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,240
want to just do everything right
away. 

601
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,040
But for us, we just said let's 
take one floor at a time, one 

602
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,160
room at a time. 
And our first floor is 

603
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,320
completely open. 
It's the you walk into the 

604
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,280
living room, dining room, 
kitchen, it's all open. 

605
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,440
So we thought this is where 
we're going to spend the most 

606
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,640
time having friends over 
ourselves. 

607
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,040
So let's just get this whole 
floor exactly what we want and 

608
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,000
then move up. 
And I, I feel like that was it 

609
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,760
made things a lot more 
attainable and not as 

610
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,040
overwhelming, I think for sure 
for, for us. 

611
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:07,600
And diving even a little deeper,
I feel like before we really put

612
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,000
a lot of money into spaces like 
our kitchen or our bathroom, we 

613
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,120
decided to do like little mini 
facelifts, just painting the 

614
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:17,960
cabinets, you know, adding a new
sink into the bathroom and the 

615
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,600
kitchen and then maybe changing 
some of the hardware Before we 

616
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,040
actually wanted to change 
countertops, change cabinets, 

617
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,040
things like that, right? 
Absolutely. 

618
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,800
And so once we got the shell 
sort of happening then with the.

619
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,840
Furniture. 
Did a lot of furniture that you 

620
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,320
were having in your rental come 
with you into this house or did 

621
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:33,880
you feel like you kind of went 
with a fresh slate? 

622
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,320
I'm like, you know what, let's 
completely change it out. 

623
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,400
We brought a lot of that 
furniture with us. 

624
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,800
Kind of our ethos when designing
a space is always, we want to 

625
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,560
really live in the space and 
figure out exactly how we're 

626
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,880
going to live and how we're 
going to function throughout the

627
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,280
space. 
So we took some time, a couple 

628
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,720
of months just to realise like, 
you know, what we would do in 

629
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,480
each room and then slowly but 
surely we started incorporating 

630
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:55,840
certain. 
So we've changed. 

631
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,600
I feel like we definitely have 
changed all, almost all of the 

632
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,400
furniture now at this point, but
we definitely took our time 

633
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,080
because it, I know for a fact 
that if we would have just 

634
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,800
started ordering things, we 
would have got them into the 

635
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,000
home and they it would just, we 
wouldn't have known how they 

636
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,840
really worked in the space, 
especially moving into a shaped 

637
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,000
home like this. 
We brought a sectional, right? 

638
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,480
And I think in theory, we 
thought, Oh my gosh, a sectional

639
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,080
is going to be amazing in this 
living room. 

640
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,200
It was a horrible idea, didn't 
fit. 

641
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,840
So we needed time to bring 
things over and, like, test it 

642
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,440
out until we found what was 
really right. 

643
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,280
Yeah. 
Yeah, it's that slow progression

644
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,400
of figuring out how you want to 
live, what's the flow of the 

645
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,160
home, how's it going to make the
most sense? 

646
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,200
What, what are your wants and 
dreams of what's going to work 

647
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,080
as well? 
You know, and then you kind of, 

648
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,080
you know, meet in the middle, 
which is which I think is great 

649
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,920
advice for people because I 
thought people move into this 

650
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,960
space right away, right. 
I've always dreamed of a Big L 

651
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,200
shaped sectional so far. 
And I want it now. 

652
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,000
And then it's like, oops, OK, 
like now I need to get it 

653
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,360
returned. 
And like, you know, especially 

654
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,400
if you're buying something where
there's lead times, you're like,

655
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,080
Oh my God. 
So that's why I always tell 

656
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,920
people to measure twice, measure
twice, you know, like. 

657
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,960
And it's all about instant 
gratification for people. 

658
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,960
I feel like we know when people 
move into a space, they just 

659
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,000
want to have it done right away.
They want to move in, not worry 

660
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,040
about much, you know. 
So I think that it kind of is a 

661
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,160
little hard thing for people to 
learn. 

662
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,840
When you move into a space, you 
really should have patience and 

663
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,760
learn your space first. 
Yeah, yeah, I think it stems 

664
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,600
from fashion, right? 
Because I feel like it's very, 

665
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,440
it's, it's a lot easier to build
out an entire wardrobe quite 

666
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,200
quickly. 
And if you want to reinvent your

667
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,880
style, which a lot of people do 
quite often with their fashion, 

668
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,280
you can do it in an instant. 
You can shop at a couple of 

669
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,600
stores online, get it delivered 
to you in 2 days and you're a 

670
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,400
whole new person. 
So I think people want to do 

671
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,440
that approach with their homes 
that slowly realise that, oh, 

672
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,560
that's not going to work because
things are so much more 

673
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,040
expensive or the lead times or 
it's not going to fit in the 

674
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,720
space. 
So it's funny how there's that 

675
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,600
sort of disconnect there, you 
know? 

676
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,200
Yeah. 
And it's funny that you just 

677
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,880
brought that up because before 
we started chatting today, we 

678
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,800
just had this conversation about
how we feel like fashion and 

679
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,640
interior design for us go hand 
in hand. 

680
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,600
And like the ethos that we have 
when buying clothes or or or 

681
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,160
wardrobe is the same with our 
design. 

682
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,720
It's finding classic timeless 
pieces that last a long time 

683
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,240
that make them impact that we 
think about before we make the 

684
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,920
purchase and bring into our 
home. 

685
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,520
Yeah. 
Having having like a beautiful 

686
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,800
base and then really having fun 
around it. 

687
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,040
So you know the base of your 
outfit, having beautiful classic

688
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,720
pieces and then having fun with 
the accessories. 

689
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,320
It goes hand in hand with your 
home. 

690
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,160
You want your centre of the room
to. 

691
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,640
Just. 
Feel the foundation of the room 

692
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:27,920
to feel very beautiful, classic 
and timeless. 

693
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,160
But then have fun with all the 
accessories, the lamps, the 

694
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,800
pillows, you know? 
Right. 

695
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,120
So do you think that your 
personal style and your fashion 

696
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,040
style suits your homestyle? 
Like how would you describe your

697
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,240
personal style and then your 
homestyle? 

698
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,800
I think they're the same. 
I think that our I think that 

699
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:47,240
our wardrobe and our home go 
hand in hand most. 

700
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,400
Of the time, most sometimes we 
have, sometimes we try to have a

701
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,000
little fun with fashion, but for
yeah, I feel like the foundation

702
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,640
of it is is the same. 
Yeah, I like the colour tones 

703
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,640
that we do a lot in the home. 
We use a lot in our style and I 

704
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,160
just feel like the way we 
approach it too, like I said 

705
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,040
with, you know, taking more time
when I'm thinking about things, 

706
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,920
I think that's kind of the same 
with how we design our house. 

707
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,880
A perfect example of this, a 
couple about a year ago, I would

708
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,320
say year to year and a half when
everyone kind of started 

709
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,200
transitioning into like the deep
Burgundy's and Maroons. 

710
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,000
I feel like it was really big in
fashion with bags and you know, 

711
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,600
the clothing and the shoes and 
we felt so inspired by it that 

712
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,920
we completely colour drenched 
our guest bedroom with a 

713
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,000
beautiful deep burgundy. 
We take inspiration from that 

714
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,880
and then we, you know, but then 
we also bought a maroon bag, 

715
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:36,280
right? 
So it's like we're kind of doing

716
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,000
them at the same time if we're 
feeling inspired by it. 

717
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,280
But I think that though, the 
biggest thing is like deciding 

718
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,640
if those things that were 
inspired by are trendy, that 

719
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,360
it's, that's going to go away in
a couple of months or a year, or

720
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,000
if it's something that might 
actually last. 

721
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,600
And finding that balance between
that. 

722
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,720
Because like you said, with 
fashion, fast fashion or design,

723
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,600
right? 
Like, trends come and go so 

724
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,720
quickly and feel so overwhelming
and people feel like they need 

725
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,600
to jump on board with 
everything. 

726
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,800
And the trends can obviously 
within the home, they could be 

727
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,240
fun. 
It's fun to, you know, play with

728
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,600
different trends that come out. 
I think there comes a point 

729
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,520
where you don't want your entire
home to feel like it's a trend 

730
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,400
because then you're just going 
to have to put all of the work 

731
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,320
and what else? 
The money. 

732
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:18,960
It doesn't feel like it's you 
and. 

733
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,120
Your spot and. 
You're going to have to put a 

734
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,600
lot of more work and money into 
replacing everything that you 

735
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,600
thought you know a year ago was 
really beautiful. 

736
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,560
Right, right. 
It's like, it's interesting too,

737
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,800
because I don't think a lot of 
people outside content anyway, 

738
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,360
think about how their wardrobes 
and their homes can correlate or

739
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,280
not. 
Because for instance, like the 

740
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,680
one I became more familiar with,
it was once when I had a home 

741
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,840
tour and I thought, what am I 
going to wear? 

742
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,600
And then I, it clicked for me 
being like, well, who is the 

743
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,640
person and what do they wear 
when they're walking around this

744
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,000
home? 
I don't think a lot of people 

745
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,560
think about it. 
I think a lot of people could 

746
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,360
treat their wardrobe and their 
home very differently and don't 

747
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,240
ever stop and think, how do I 
look walking around this home 

748
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,760
with what I'm wearing right now?
Like does it actually correlate?

749
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,200
Am I two different people? 
Like, and then I think that's a 

750
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,120
really good way to identify 
whether or not you're adopting 

751
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,800
friends or you're adopting your 
own personal style. 

752
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,040
Because if you can't see 
something from your wardrobe 

753
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,920
being reflected in your home, 
maybe it's the fact that you are

754
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,000
spending too much time focusing 
on what's happening outside in 

755
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,000
trends versus. 
And I can't really, I don't 

756
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,960
actually think there is a person
where their design of their home

757
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:26,880
and their wardrobe are 
completely opposite. 

758
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,280
I almost feel like it couldn't. 
I mean, I'm sure it exists, but 

759
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,000
I almost don't know how it could
exist, right? 

760
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,240
Like when we were watching that 
home tour yesterday, the 

761
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,800
designer Vanessa Alexander, we 
watched her home tour of her 

762
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,160
home in Malibu and she looks 
like her home. 

763
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,040
Everything she was wearing. 
I said, well, that's her home. 

764
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,480
Of course. 
Like that is they match 

765
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,520
perfectly. 
Or someone that's really funky 

766
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,280
and eclectic and their house is 
full of those vibes and those 

767
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,160
colours. 
Like I don't know how it could 

768
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,520
not go together. 
Just transcends one another, 

769
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:52,960
right? 
Yeah. 

770
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,440
And you know, whenever we watch 
the Architectural Digest home 

771
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,760
tours, we look at the home, 
We're like, wow, the home is 

772
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,000
really beautiful and chic. 
And then we look at what the. 

773
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,920
Person is wearing and we're 
like, they're beautiful. 

774
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:02,920
And chic, you know. 
Right. 

775
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,200
You don't know if there's a good
stylist in that one, though. 

776
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,600
You don't know what they call in
someone up. 

777
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,840
Like, I've got friends who pull 
up stylist and they've got 

778
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,159
things happening and you're 
like, yeah, that came together 

779
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:12,920
almost too well. 
Too right? 

780
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:15,760
Very cool. 
Yeah, well, Speaking of as well,

781
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,440
when it comes to like colour 
drenching and like painting that

782
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,840
whole House Beautiful burgundy 
colour, it's like it leads me to

783
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,960
the other question, which is 
because you guys have a row home

784
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,800
and you have set up that 
intention to make it feel 

785
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,080
different. 
You guys made the decision and 

786
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,800
you bit the bullet on painting 
the house black on the outside. 

787
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,120
Yeah. 
And it was a bold move, you 

788
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,199
know, like it's and especially 
like, was it like how did the 

789
00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:38,199
neighbours react? 
Was it a great thing or it? 

790
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,639
Was great outside. 
They were like what are you 

791
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,239
doing? 
What are we doing? 

792
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,960
Because when we bought the 
house, it was. 

793
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,840
This it was like a very like 
pale blue, blue, grey. 

794
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,040
Yeah, and it had a red door, so 
it was like. 

795
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,400
Like just crazy colours and we 
knew that we did not want to 

796
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,719
keep either of those. 
And we've always been, I don't 

797
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,400
know what it is, but for years 
before buying this house, we've 

798
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,320
always been attracted to black 
homes. 

799
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,520
I don't know, there's something 
so impactful about a black 

800
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,280
homes, you know, the one in San,
you know, the house, the very 

801
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,360
famous one in San Diego or San 
Francisco. 

802
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,160
And it's, I love that look. 
It feels so classic. 

803
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:14,800
And we've always there's that 
Japanese wood burning technique 

804
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,800
that's like Shishubi bond or 
something, I forget what it's 

805
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,800
called, but I feel like a lot of
homes were they were using that 

806
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,400
technique of burning the wood on
the outside of their home and it

807
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,560
gives us really beautiful black 
colour. 

808
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:27,760
And so I feel like that was kind
of the transition of us being 

809
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,440
like, wow, how could we? 
This is this is really 

810
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,040
beautiful. 
And then we started looking at 

811
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,080
what homes in the city would 
look like if they were painted 

812
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,120
black. 
And then it just, you know, we 

813
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:35,960
bought the house and we were 
like. 

814
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,040
Let's well, let's just do it. 
Let's just do it, yeah? 

815
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,040
Yeah, that is something that we 
did not do ourselves. 

816
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,000
We could not handle painting. 
We yes, that's where we're like,

817
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,680
OK, who we could do a a lot of 
DIY projects, but we can't paint

818
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:47,720
our house, right, Right. 
Yeah. 

819
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:48,680
Yeah. 
Have you? 

820
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:50,720
Do you feel like it made an 
impression on your neighbours 

821
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:53,480
and the fact that it might have 
inspired them to go out and do 

822
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,400
projects themselves at their 
home? 

823
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:56,760
I would hope so. 
I think so. 

824
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,600
I mean, we still to this day. 
Everyone loves it. 

825
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,800
We could say that it's a. 
Comment that we get we can watch

826
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,520
it on our little Ring camera 
when someone walks by and says 

827
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,080
oh look, this is the black 
house, right? 

828
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,560
Yeah, oh, look what they did. 
I remember when it was this 

829
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,000
colour. 
So I feel like it did make a big

830
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,080
impact on our block with our 
neighbours, but just, yeah, 

831
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,040
hopefully inspiring people to 
you could, you could do things 

832
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,840
outside of your home too on the 
exterior and care more about 

833
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,640
that. 
Yeah, well, previously I had 

834
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,000
always lived in apartments and 
now I currently live in a house 

835
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,400
and it's been so interesting 
going from apartment to house. 

836
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,840
In terms of your neighbours, you
might have known, like when 

837
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,440
you're in an apartment, you 
might know the neighbour that's 

838
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,600
next door to you would have 
crossed. 

839
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,800
But then a lot of the time they 
move out and someone else moves 

840
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,240
in so slowly you just stop 
talking to anyone and you just 

841
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,800
live in this zone, which is wild
because you live with so many 

842
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,160
people in a building. 
That like you. 

843
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,360
Don't pay any attention. 
Whereas to move to a house where

844
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,800
you know, I met my neighbours 
and I and like my neighbours 

845
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:49,800
have felt like it was 
interesting. 

846
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,720
The neighbours directly across 
from me, we're interested, like 

847
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:54,280
1 was really interested to get 
to know us and then the other 

848
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,640
one sort of wasn't. 
But then it was around Christmas

849
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:57,840
time. 
So I actually gave them a 

850
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,640
Christmas gift and then they 
came over and started chatting. 

851
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,640
But I noticed like when I'm out 
in the garden, like I have those

852
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,360
urns out the front which has 
some vine and some like figs and

853
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,720
things like that. 
I noticed that the next week my 

854
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,560
like neighbours will be 
gardening or the day that I 

855
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,480
started decorating for 
Halloween, the people who were 

856
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,200
directly across the road from me
of the strip started decorating 

857
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,000
for Halloween. 
It's interesting. 

858
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,760
It's you might not even intend 
to like realise that you're 

859
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,800
actually the one who are making 
the decision of right. 

860
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,200
We're decorating now like 
Halloween starts now. 

861
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,320
It's so funny. 
That is true. 

862
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:30,320
It is very true. 
I don't. 

863
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,680
Know about, I don't know if I've
ever noticed with us painting 

864
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,920
the house black, but I 
definitely have noticed with 

865
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,600
things like how we kind of 
decorate the outside of our 

866
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,240
house. 
We had flower boxes installed 

867
00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,720
and every season we have a 
company who comes and places new

868
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:46,240
like beautiful florals in those 
flower boxes. 

869
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,920
And we've noticed over the past 
year or two that all of our 

870
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,840
neighbours have started putting 
flower boxes or they're 

871
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,880
decorating really beautifully 
with different florals out 

872
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,240
outside on their steps. 
So I think maybe that was 

873
00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:00,200
subconsciously kind of playing 
in their mind a bit. 

874
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,040
Which I'm happy because I want 
curb appeal for everyone, right?

875
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,280
Yeah, so like if you were to 
describe your homestyle with 

876
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,960
like 3 words, what would they 
be? 

877
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:09,520
I feel like this is this is one 
of those. 

878
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,600
Questions that everyone tries to
answer and you're like, well, it

879
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,480
changes. 
Because I don't think we have 

880
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,960
one. 
I don't think we have one 

881
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,080
designated style because we like
so many different types of 

882
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:22,120
things. 
You know, we love vintage, we 

883
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,600
love pieces that feel very 
organic. 

884
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,720
We love traditional contemporary
pieces. 

885
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,680
But I think the one. 
Thing that we always say is our 

886
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,840
home feels very organic modern 
in a sense. 

887
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,680
Yeah, I'd say organic modern. 
And then it's it's less about 

888
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,080
the design style, but more so 
about like the tones and 

889
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,400
textures and everything we 
design. 

890
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,280
It's very, you know, it's 
finding, it's finding warm 

891
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,000
pieces, it's finding different 
textures. 

892
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,560
We love layering different 
textures and different colours. 

893
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,880
I'm not feeling so precious 
about everything when everything

894
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,360
feels so traditional and so 
classic. 

895
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,760
It feels so like hardened and I 
feel like. 

896
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,000
Style and your design should be 
more relaxed in how we kind of 

897
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,120
think about it and and feel like
you can use yeah, yeah I think 

898
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,640
sometimes when people really try
to put a put a pinpoint on what 

899
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,840
their exact design style is 
within their home. 

900
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,120
Sometimes they get trapped 
because then you feel like you 

901
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,600
can't really experiment outside 
of that style. 

902
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,840
So then you may, you know, if 
you think that your style is all

903
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,920
very traditional or contemporary
and you see a piece that may 

904
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,480
feel very organic or earthy or 
whatever mid century, you might 

905
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,880
not want to incorporate it into 
your home because even though 

906
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,400
you really feel attracted to it,
you know what I mean? 

907
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,280
Yeah, we always say, you know, 
when we, we're, we're capable 

908
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,600
maybe of describing our style, 
but we know it when we see it. 

909
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,880
So when we're when we're 
shopping for something, if 

910
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,240
something gives us a feeling, a 
like a guttural feeling, we 

911
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,840
know, OK, we want that and we'll
find a way to make that work in 

912
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,000
our space. 
So feels very eclectic and like 

913
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,560
I just wanted to represent us in
our personality. 

914
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:57,000
It's always funny. 
Whenever we're out shopping, we 

915
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,080
joke to each other. 
We always have a physical 

916
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,560
response to something that we 
really find either like a 

917
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,640
dramatic it is what? 
We're saying we're being 

918
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,200
dramatic. 
We actually do like when we're 

919
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,000
walking through a store or, you 
know, say Crate and Barrel, for 

920
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:10,560
instance, if we're walking 
through and there's something 

921
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:14,240
that we love so much, something 
like happens to our body and I'm

922
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:16,520
like, it's like an overwhelming 
experience. 

923
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,520
Do you know what I mean? 
I'm sure you probably feel the 

924
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:19,720
same. 
I feel like everyone in the. 

925
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,280
Space it, guys. 
Like we're on the same page. 

926
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,720
Absolutely so. 
Something that hates designer 

927
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:26,480
doesn't care about design. 
They're like, these people are 

928
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,120
wack and they're crazy. 
But perhaps I'm like, no, no, 

929
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,080
like literally the perfect 
example is Anthony, our mutual 

930
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,480
friend, Anthony Mediato. 
He sent us Facebook Marketplace 

931
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:40,280
listing of this Mexican pine 
armoire this morning on Facebook

932
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:41,800
Workplace. 
And it's just like, it's so 

933
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,000
beautiful. 
I, Mike was on the 3rd floor. 

934
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,360
I was in the kitchen and I 
screamed. 

935
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,640
I was like, we need to buy this,
we need to buy this. 

936
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:49,840
And it was like this, I was 
like, I can see this in our 

937
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,200
bedroom. 
So that's like kind of how I 

938
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,440
think about too, is like, I just
know it when I see it. 

939
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,880
Yeah, right. 
Like I love that we're now like 

940
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,560
a little bit more loose with our
styles. 

941
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,640
Like we're happy to incorporate 
different things in different 

942
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,440
places and it doesn't have to be
so rigid and you don't have to 

943
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:06,960
have like my style is 2 things 
combined and things like that. 

944
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,520
But like people who are sort of 
in the early phases of 

945
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:10,720
developing and designing their 
home. 

946
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,680
What would be your advice for 
people who want to combine 

947
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,280
different styles When Because 
you know, if say, if someone 

948
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,680
really loves mid century modern,
well, if it's going to be mid 

949
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,640
century modern inspired, you 
could go to West Elm, for 

950
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,280
instance, you could buy 
everything from West Elm and 

951
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,520
it's just going to work. 
Whereas you know, you want to 

952
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,240
combine traditional elements 
with contemporary elements. 

953
00:41:27,240 --> 00:41:30,520
What do you think has been your 
best approach to make that work?

954
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,800
I mean, honestly, I just feel it
sounds so simple, but I just 

955
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,480
think shopping for pieces that 
you really like, you know, and 

956
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,320
not having so many kind of 
barriers to your design style, 

957
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,640
you know, and I. 
Think also, I think a way 

958
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,400
because if you're afraid of, of 
mixing different things and try 

959
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,200
and buying different things from
different places. 

960
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,200
And you know, if you're trying 
to stick to a budget to the our 

961
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,520
love for vintage and decor, 
vintage decor in your Facebook 

962
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,760
marketplace or first dibs or 
anything like that. 

963
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,760
If you're, if you're willing to 
be patient and, and, and find 

964
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,600
different things that speak to 
you, I think that you can all, 

965
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,520
you can find a way to bring them
together. 

966
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,680
And then on a more specific 
levels, like creating mood 

967
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,440
boards for yourself, like going 
on Pinterest and going on Canva 

968
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,280
or something. 
And like, if you've got a couple

969
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,680
of things that you want, put 
them together and like actually 

970
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,200
visualise the space before you 
purchase all of these different 

971
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,200
things. 
You can actually get a feeling. 

972
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,680
I mean, we make just, I'm sure 
like you do, we make mood boards

973
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,320
all the time of something where 
it's like, once I see it 

974
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,440
together, Oh, you know what? 
Actually this doesn't work like 

975
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,240
I thought it would, but at least
I can visualise it together, 

976
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:37,680
right? 
It's like, actually like putting

977
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,720
pen to paper and like getting to
know what that comes, what's 

978
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:42,760
that's going to come out like. 
Listen, at the end of the day, 

979
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,840
you know your space and the 
design of the different things 

980
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,920
that you like is just an 
expression of your personality. 

981
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,320
So I think you're staying true 
to your personality and buying 

982
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,400
things that you like. 
In the end, it's always going to

983
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,240
work. 
Out if it's authentic to you, I 

984
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:56,960
think it's always going to read 
well. 

985
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:01,200
It's it's when I think that 
people don't know what they like

986
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,240
or who they are and and things 
like that is where it doesn't 

987
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,200
always translate the best. 
But I feel like if it's if it's 

988
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,040
you, it's, I'm going to probably
love it. 

989
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,720
You just, you made me think of a
tip that I do with my friend all

990
00:43:11,720 --> 00:43:15,480
the time where if we're shopping
online and we can't decide 

991
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,240
whether we want to buy something
or not, you take a photo of the 

992
00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:21,360
space and then you put it onto 
Instagram Stories and then you 

993
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,040
screenshot the item and then you
just do like you hover and like 

994
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,760
cut the object out with the 
iPhone and you drop it into 

995
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,440
Instagram. 
It's always on Instagram stories

996
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:29,840
because it's the quickest way to
do it. 

997
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,680
Do you know what I mean? 
You like OK, Does this look 

998
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:33,200
that's. 
Great advice because that's, 

999
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,360
you're visualising what it is 
and you're, you're not being 

1000
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:37,880
precious about this might not 
fit. 

1001
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,200
Let me just look at it and see 
if it works and if it does, it 

1002
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,320
does. 
If it doesn't, it doesn't and 

1003
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,040
life goes on, you know? 
So like, Speaking of this as 

1004
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,840
well, you guys undertook a huge 
project last year, I believe, 

1005
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,280
where you bought a plot of land 
behind you. 

1006
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,920
Yeah. 
And you extended your backyard. 

1007
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,160
But it's insane. 
It was one of the luckiest 

1008
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,840
things, the luckiest, the 
luckiest kind of opportunity 

1009
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,800
that we've ever stumbled upon. 
It was 22 summers ago actually, 

1010
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,680
that we did this. 
And we so when we first moved to

1011
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,640
our house, all of the row homes 
here in Philly, we all have like

1012
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,600
8 by 8 backyards, very tiny 
patio square concrete, literally

1013
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,360
concrete squares. 
Like courtyards on those energy.

1014
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,920
Exactly. 
And you know, we tried our best 

1015
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,120
for the first couple of years to
really make that space work, you

1016
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,400
know, decorating beautifully, 
putting beautiful florals, 

1017
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,280
getting a nice little setup with
a dining table and chairs. 

1018
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,200
And then randomly, one of our 
neighbours, probably about three

1019
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,800
years ago, right, she came over 
to us and she was like, you 

1020
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,520
know, there's this empty plot of
land that extends about 6 

1021
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,040
houses. 
All behind us. 

1022
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,920
There used to be a house there 
years ago, had been torn down, 

1023
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,480
and it was just this like jungle
of weeds and bushes. 

1024
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,640
And she floated this idea and 
she thought. 

1025
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,200
She was like, why don't we kind 
of see how this would even work?

1026
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,560
You know, let's work with the 
city and see if we can all 

1027
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,760
purchase this together. 
And then we'll kind of divvy it 

1028
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,080
up. 
Everyone will buy their own 

1029
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,960
plots and we'll kind of go from 
there. 

1030
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,600
And it did take a long time it. 
Took almost a year and a half 

1031
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,840
until she came back and said 
finally the city she did all the

1032
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,400
legwork which shout out to our 
neighbour and she said, OK, we 

1033
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,360
can do it with the city. 
And then we we started the 

1034
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,480
process. 
But then even luckier enough for

1035
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:16,040
us, the neighbour on our left 
side didn't decide to purchase 

1036
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,960
their plot. 
So we actually bought 2 of them 

1037
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,800
and made it created an L shape 
for our backyard. 

1038
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,360
So it was the biggest, 
definitely the biggest project 

1039
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,800
we we undertook with our house. 
But it's. 

1040
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,080
Most fun, Most fun. 
There was a lot of, you know, 

1041
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,280
excavation and we. 
Had to work with a. 

1042
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,400
Bunch of different people to get
the yard actually levelled out 

1043
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,120
and usable. 
But once we did, it was just so 

1044
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,080
fun doing the landscape of the 
yard and putting our own kind of

1045
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,160
sense of style with the design. 
We we are really attracted to 

1046
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,960
like the European gardens and 
like the California way of 

1047
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,200
living because I feel like they 
kind of go hand in hand in a 

1048
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,600
sense. 
And so that was our design style

1049
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,920
goal when we first started 
designing the yards. 

1050
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,320
We wanted to feel just very like
whimsical, very Euro vibes. 

1051
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,320
Very green. 
Very. 

1052
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:00,960
Lush. 
Well, it's like a beautiful like

1053
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,160
wall. 
Like a Stonewall, almost. 

1054
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,600
That was that was their, yeah, 
that was their brush. 

1055
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,240
It was its original river stone 
from a river that runs through 

1056
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:13,720
our neighbourhood. 
And it was like such a happy 

1057
00:46:13,720 --> 00:46:16,640
accident to find that it was 
behind all of this like crazy 

1058
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,400
weeds. 
And now it's our favourite place

1059
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,480
to be at our house. 
We spend every night outside 

1060
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,960
when it's when the weather 
permits and we have little fires

1061
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,240
and hosts friends and family and
it's so much fun. 

1062
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:28,760
And also the value that it added
to. 

1063
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,920
I know I'm like, OK. 
It's amazing, Absolutely. 

1064
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,960
Especially because you had to 
renovate it as well and make it 

1065
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:34,880
new again. 
I'm sure. 

1066
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,560
It's definitely up the value. 
Yeah, I'm sure that neighbour is

1067
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,240
like, maybe I should have bought
that body. 

1068
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:40,920
I know. 
Like they're looking down from 

1069
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,480
their window like why did I not 
do this? 

1070
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,520
Oh my God, that's hilarious. 
So yeah, like doing the 

1071
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:47,920
backyard. 
I know it would have felt like a

1072
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,680
completely different project, 
don't you think? 

1073
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,200
In terms of like into doing an 
interior design versus exterior 

1074
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,040
and doing a garden and a space 
to host and things like that. 

1075
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,120
It's different thing to tackle. 
It was fun bringing on an actual

1076
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,320
landscaper because we, OK, we 
did. 

1077
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,120
Yeah, we brought in a 
landscaper. 

1078
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,280
Just because I to help us. 
Visualise what we what we 

1079
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,360
wanted. 
We were we too and we're like, 

1080
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,080
this is what we want, but I 
don't know how to execute shoot 

1081
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:17,040
it that way. 
And we found this amazing 

1082
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,520
landscaper that was just so 
helpful throughout the whole 

1083
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,560
project and he really helped 
bring our vision to life. 

1084
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,280
And then we were able to come in
with the design element and the 

1085
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,120
decor and all that. 
But just like getting the 

1086
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,360
foundation of the stone work and
the shrubber, like, you know, we

1087
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,160
have like like the lightest of 
green thumbs. 

1088
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,960
So I was like, I need some help 
of someone telling me like this 

1089
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,840
will work here and this plant 
will work here and seasonally. 

1090
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,720
Yes, someone that's more of an 
expert and that was really. 

1091
00:47:43,720 --> 00:47:46,200
Helpful and it's funny working 
with someone like an expert 

1092
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,720
because he had his own idea of 
kind of what he wanted to do 

1093
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:52,680
with the art and you know and we
said Oh well you know we want a 

1094
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,240
little bit of stone over here 
and we want some greenery over 

1095
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:57,640
here He kind of came up with 
this whole design plan but we 

1096
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,040
knew in our mind exactly how we 
wanted the space so. 

1097
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,040
We had to kind of push back a 
little bit like, well, I know 

1098
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,680
you think that's going to work, 
but I'm telling you, if we do 

1099
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,280
this, it's going to translate 
better. 

1100
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,080
So we kind of had, you know, 
with the stone work, we kind of 

1101
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,160
had to bring him along with us. 
It's the two fro yeah, 

1102
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,240
especially when you work with 
someone who's local, they kind 

1103
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:19,200
of go around and they do the 
same gear, same thing most 

1104
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:20,440
places. 
Jeremy and said they said 

1105
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,840
they're going to go right, we're
going to do this yeah, we're 

1106
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,720
going to do this, this, this, 
this and this and the people are

1107
00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:28,040
like yes, do it. 
Where is you guys like no, I 

1108
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,280
think you. 
Should be a little different, 

1109
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:29,960
yeah. 
Yeah. 

1110
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,800
Have you seen this? 
And then it like, but it's good 

1111
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:33,800
though, and the fact that it's a
great learning curve for both of

1112
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,440
you and the fact that you're 
both going through like this new

1113
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:38,600
journey where they learn 
something new. 

1114
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,960
And I'm sure what that landscape
is like now, it's like, oh, I'm 

1115
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:42,280
going to start doing that in my 
other project. 

1116
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,040
He loved it. 
He asked to come back many times

1117
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,160
to take photos and he's like, 
this is the most fun I've had on

1118
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,040
a project lately. 
So it was, it was fun for him 

1119
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,200
because it was and we and I 
can't recommend him enough to 

1120
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,280
everyone. 
So it was a good relationship, 

1121
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:59,480
but it was very interesting. 
It's funny going off along that 

1122
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:00,760
you know, with working with 
someone. 

1123
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,320
We had replaced our back door in
our house. 

1124
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:06,760
I'm probably about like 2 years,
a year or two into living here. 

1125
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,760
And you know, when we first 
moved in, it was just like a 

1126
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,160
basic builders grade metal door.
And we always have been so 

1127
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,840
attracted to those steel doors 
with all the glass panels on it.

1128
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,840
And we had a guy come over and 
he looked and he was he the 

1129
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,040
first thing he said when he 
walked in. 

1130
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,520
He's like, you know, you don't 
see doors like this too much in 

1131
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:23,920
this area. 
And I was like, well. 

1132
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:25,960
We love it. 
Well, we're here and we're going

1133
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,160
to show you that it'll work. 
And it's like the most 

1134
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,640
complimented piece in our home. 
But it's so funny because I'm 

1135
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,960
sure that he in his mind, it 
doesn't belong. 

1136
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:36,960
It almost just thought like he 
was like, sure, you're going to 

1137
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,120
like this. 
And, you know, we're like. 

1138
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:39,760
We're, I know we're just going 
to work. 

1139
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,680
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, it's just crazy how we can

1140
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,800
all come together like that. 
And I'm sure like, again, I 

1141
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,840
think it goes back to that sort 
of inspiring the neighbours. 

1142
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,720
You're inspiring people in your 
area to adopt new things and try

1143
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:52,480
out new things. 
Because sometimes people are 

1144
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,040
very like, if an ain't broke, 
don't fix it. 

1145
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,240
So that it's like, oh, this is 
the style of the back door that 

1146
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:59,200
everyone's done for so long, 
which in some circumstances is 

1147
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,040
great because it keeps and 
retains this idea of like 

1148
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,000
traditional buildings get to 
stay from place and look the 

1149
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,640
same. 
But then there's also this thing

1150
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,920
of also adopting new things and 
making them feel fresh and, you 

1151
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,000
know. 
Finding a balance between that. 

1152
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,560
Yeah, I think you guys make up a
great point in that it's like 

1153
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,320
when you do own your first time,
like you do sometimes want to 

1154
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,280
tackle all the projects 
yourself, especially if you're 

1155
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,640
more design leaning in terms of 
you're passionate about it as 

1156
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,560
well. 
So like in terms of the 

1157
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,120
professional trades that you've 
brought in, what would, yeah, 

1158
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,640
what would you recommend to 
people who have bought their 

1159
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:28,720
home? 
Like where do you think it's 

1160
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:31,880
good to get the professionals in
and where do you think is good? 

1161
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,480
Like, oh, you know what? 
I think we could do this 

1162
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:34,720
ourselves. 
I'm sure it's going to be 

1163
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:37,000
different for everyone, but in 
your circumstance, where did you

1164
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,800
guys go with that? 
Yeah. 

1165
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,840
I mean we, I mean, you know, I 
think with typical painting and 

1166
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,160
I mean for us, we, we really 
taught ourselves a lot of the 

1167
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,440
things along the way, you know, 
changing the light fixtures. 

1168
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:49,840
We taught ourselves that. 
And. 

1169
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,120
We did all those ourselves, but 
obviously that's not the same 

1170
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,600
for everyone. 
So you know, it's where you feel

1171
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,560
confident and I, I think and 
pushing your boundaries, right. 

1172
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:02,320
Like a lot of people would say 
they can't paint a bedroom, but 

1173
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,640
they can if they have some 
patience and time. 

1174
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,160
So they can do that. 
But I think though, when it 

1175
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,320
comes to those bigger projects, 
right, like the back door, we 

1176
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,360
could try our hardest, but we 
know that like we also know our 

1177
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:15,960
limits. 
The same with the backyard, 

1178
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,520
right? 
We could have done some things, 

1179
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,600
but we wanted it to go to a 
certain level and look a certain

1180
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:21,680
way. 
So we needed to bring in an 

1181
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,280
expert. 
So I think it's. 

1182
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,080
Like a, like our, we had, we 
redesigned our kitchen at one 

1183
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,520
point and, you know, doing a 
whole kitchen demo. 

1184
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,960
There are so many people out 
there who would be great at 

1185
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,800
doing that and knocking out the 
cabinets themselves and 

1186
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,600
installing new ones and 
installing the sink and all of 

1187
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,640
that. 
But I just think we knew our 

1188
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,880
limit was that we were not going
to be able to do that. 

1189
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,000
So we had someone come in and do
that. 

1190
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,840
And also a, a thing too is if 
you don't even know how to do a 

1191
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,160
project, but you think you could
do it, you just need a little 

1192
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,880
bit more information, you know, 
even just having a contractor or

1193
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,880
handyman come out and give you 
an idea of what it would look 

1194
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,880
like. 
And even if you don't use them, 

1195
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,160
right, that gives you some idea 
of, OK, well, what in, in what 

1196
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,120
he told me could I actually do 
myself? 

1197
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,800
And then what could I need 
someone else to do? 

1198
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,240
So kind of is, can it can be a 
little bit educational for you 

1199
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:12,920
to just getting someone out and,
and teaching you a little bit 

1200
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,240
about it. 
I think that's the biggest thing

1201
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:17,480
is like being patient and like 
seeing what you can do and teach

1202
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,440
yourself and then who and when 
you need to bring someone in. 

1203
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,680
Absolutely. 
It's like me now, Like I used to

1204
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,720
hang everything up on my walls, 
but now I get an air Tasker to 

1205
00:52:25,720 --> 00:52:27,600
come over and do it because I'm 
just like, you know what, you're

1206
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,080
going to do such a better job 
than me, and I'm not going to 

1207
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,680
have to worry that this thing's 
going to fall down. 

1208
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,480
Like the other day, I got a 
mirror put installed in my front

1209
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:35,960
entrance. 
And I was just going to bring 

1210
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,000
that up. 
It's insane. 

1211
00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:39,440
I love it so much. 
Yeah, it's, it is a beautiful 

1212
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,760
piece. 
But like when when I was looking

1213
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,960
at online, I was looking like, 
oh, what's the install details 

1214
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,960
and they weren't a lot. 
Is that could be hung on the 

1215
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,360
wall. 
And I was like, OK, cool. 

1216
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:48,920
And then I got it. 
And then it was like, oh, there 

1217
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,920
are nine holes that have to go 
in this wall and the walls in my

1218
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:54,800
place are all concrete with 
brick. 

1219
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,960
And I'm like, how the hell am I 
drilling into this like nine 

1220
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,360
holes? 
And I was like, you know what, 

1221
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,480
I'm not even going to go there. 
I'm getting an air tester to 

1222
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:02,960
come over. 
And the guy he came over, he 

1223
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,800
even had to make like the discs,
like the holes in the discs 

1224
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,640
bigger and then he had to find 
longer screws and then he had to

1225
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:09,800
do it. 
And I'm like, and I was thinking

1226
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,080
to myself, if I had to take this
project on, I could have gone 

1227
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,320
out because I have a hammer 
drill and I have like a bit that

1228
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,520
I could put in, but it's nowhere
near as strong as he is. 

1229
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,120
And then like him just knowing 
how to make, he could make the 

1230
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,400
like the holes bigger to drill 
the screws through and get it 

1231
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:23,760
done. 
He got the project done in half 

1232
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:25,400
an hour. 
It would have taken me half a 

1233
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,160
day. 
And it's like, and even still 

1234
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:30,920
afterwards I'd be like, don't 
like touch, don't touch that 

1235
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,160
mirror. 
Like knowing your strengths and 

1236
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,200
knowing, yeah, what's the time 
to bring? 

1237
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,360
Someone else in, you know it's 
OK to bring someone else in, you

1238
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,960
know you do what you're good at,
and then whatever you aren't, 

1239
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,360
you just bring someone else in 
to help you with. 

1240
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,280
Yeah, absolutely. 
It's such a like, I just think I

1241
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,040
love chatting with you guys 
about these kind of things 

1242
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,200
because I think a lot of people 
are moving into the homes for 

1243
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:50,960
the first time and they're 
trying to navigate like, how do 

1244
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:52,960
I go about my style? 
How should I put the furniture 

1245
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:54,560
in the room? 
What should I pay for? 

1246
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,080
Like, do I feel guilty because I
could have done that myself or 

1247
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,000
whatever. 
I think it's like it's 

1248
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,800
refreshing speaking to people 
who've been through that 

1249
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,120
experience and go, oh, you know 
what, it's right. 

1250
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,120
I am just going to like call up 
an air Tasker and get them to 

1251
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,240
come hang out the mirror. 
Or I am going to get a plumber 

1252
00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:09,240
to come in and have a look at 
what this is going to be like 

1253
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:10,880
and get a quote on what that is,
you know? 

1254
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,080
Yeah, exactly. 
So we kind of spoke a little bit

1255
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,920
about content at the first part 
of our conversation, but like 

1256
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,680
obviously the like the podcast 
is all about home hosting and 

1257
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,040
content. 
So in terms of like with your 

1258
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,840
journey with social media, what 
do you feel like it's been like 

1259
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,040
navigating like, for instance, 
like TikTok versus Instagram and

1260
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,120
podcasts, like audio long form 
content versus short form 

1261
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:35,800
content and things like that? 
TikTok is so different than 

1262
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,240
Instagram for us because we 
started on Instagram like most 

1263
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:40,560
people since TikTok wasn't 
around. 

1264
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,120
But Instagram is where we built 
our base and our community and 

1265
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,680
it still feels like our like our
baby as opposed TikTok kind of 

1266
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:49,920
like what you said in the 
beginning where you back in 2020

1267
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,000
would just post things and not 
be precious about it. 

1268
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,160
And, and it is what it is. 
I almost still feel the same way

1269
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,960
about TikTok in that way. 
TikTok feels more of like a 

1270
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,880
playground where it's like it. 
We could post a video and yes, 

1271
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,040
it could be something that we've
worked really hard on or it 

1272
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:05,360
could be something that we 
didn't. 

1273
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,800
And I kind of don't care either 
way about it because yes, you 

1274
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,080
have a community on TikTok, but 
you're ideally it's who's coming

1275
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,480
up on the for you page or what's
popping up. 

1276
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,800
So Instagram is where I feel 
like we care more about and 

1277
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,440
TikTok is fun and we experiment 
and, you know. 

1278
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,080
It is what it is, I agree. 
But social media, yeah. 

1279
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,080
But it is weird how different 
platforms have you just, like, 

1280
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,160
approach them differently. 
It's the same with the podcast, 

1281
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:31,960
yeah. 
They always have different 

1282
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:33,800
requirements. 
I find with TikTok, especially 

1283
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,160
now at the moment, it's very 
much drawn by. 

1284
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:37,760
I've kind of been explaining it 
to people. 

1285
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,920
It's kind of like the OG Twitter
and the fact that it's a place 

1286
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,360
that people like to go and 
complain. 

1287
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,480
So it's very much a hot take app
now. 

1288
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,520
So if you want to do something 
that's beautiful and refined or 

1289
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,640
nice or speak about positivity, 
it really doesn't track as well 

1290
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,280
as what it would be if you went 
in. 

1291
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,520
And like, for instance, I had a 
video the other day where I was 

1292
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,360
like, go and lift your roller 
blinds up, like stop living in 

1293
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,040
darkness. 
And that one got 500,000 views 

1294
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,640
in like half a day because it 
was just me being controversial.

1295
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,680
It was controlled controversy. 
And the fact that it was like, 

1296
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,120
I'm going to do this. 
I know it's going to upset 

1297
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,320
people, particularly the people 
who love to complain. 

1298
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:10,720
They always have their roller 
blinds down. 

1299
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:11,880
Exactly. 
It's kind of before. 

1300
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,560
And unfortunately it's. 
Yeah. 

1301
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,920
And I find it very difficult. 
I guess a lifestyle content 

1302
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,760
creator that is quite like that,
likes to be refined and polished

1303
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,680
and things like that. 
And that there are times where 

1304
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,160
you have to have different 
strategies with growth. 

1305
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,200
And sometimes like, it wasn't 
even like I was like, oh, I need

1306
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,200
to start doing these videos now.
It was just a it was a 

1307
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,480
confirmation to me to go. 
If I did this kind of content, 

1308
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,160
it would get really high views. 
It's not what I want to do, but 

1309
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,520
I know that I'm capable of doing
that right. 

1310
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:39,960
But it's I'm not going to do, 
you know what I mean? 

1311
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,320
It was like one of those, let me
just because I was like, that 

1312
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,600
video is no longer on my profile
because I loved TikTok is the 

1313
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,040
best place to test things. 
It's also the place that it 

1314
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,480
usually starts where if it 
starts on TikTok and if it's 

1315
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,000
good enough, it'll end up on 
Instagram. 

1316
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:54,840
You know when you'll see a 
trend, then it goes up the next 

1317
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,040
week. 
I think TikTok is a great spot 

1318
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,880
to really just go, like you 
said, mess around a little bit, 

1319
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:02,440
adopt into some kind of trend, 
see what people are doing, don't

1320
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,000
care about it too much. 
And then just like watch what it

1321
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,640
does because I think social 
media in general, a lot of 

1322
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,760
people don't consider it. 
But I do do think that it's a 

1323
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,240
job about culture. 
Like we watch what society 

1324
00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:14,480
you're doing and whether people 
like it or not, what people are 

1325
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,520
enjoying and what they're liking
and whether they disagree. 

1326
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,360
It's like the numbers are 
showing what people are 

1327
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,520
interested in. 
Like the numbers are showing 

1328
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:22,720
what's happening and what's 
showing up. 

1329
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,960
There's also a lot of silence. 
Like there's also like, I think 

1330
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:26,960
that's true. 
A lot of the focus is people 

1331
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,640
will comment if they don't like 
something, but if people do like

1332
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,680
something, it's rare that people
will comment on it because it 

1333
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,520
seems like a given, like, oh, I 
like that. 

1334
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:37,160
TikTok really is the place where
people want to have hot takes. 

1335
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,640
They want to see hot takes. 
They also want to to complain. 

1336
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,360
They went to, you know, the 
trolls in the comments. 

1337
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,120
But it is this place where 
people love to, you know, jump 

1338
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,960
on things and and have an 
opinion on something always. 

1339
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,720
Yeah, yeah. 
So like, what would be your 

1340
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:50,960
advice? 
You guys have been around for 

1341
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,080
such a long time doing it and 
like, honestly, you've been so 

1342
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:54,960
consistent with it. 
So like, what do you reckon is 

1343
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,320
your advice, people who are 
aspiring to do that lifestyle 

1344
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,040
content? 
I think it comes back to what we

1345
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,880
kind of talked about in the 
beginning is sticking true to 

1346
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,360
the voice that you have and 
your, your foundational pillars 

1347
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,120
and then branching off and 
experimenting and trying 

1348
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,480
different things in your 
content. 

1349
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,760
But always coming back to what, 
what is someone following you 

1350
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,280
for? 
So what is someone that is going

1351
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,800
to follow you finding from you 
like our, you know, our motto 

1352
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,760
always has been since the 
beginning, make every moment an 

1353
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,520
experience. 
So we just find a way to 

1354
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,040
translate that into all of our 
content and then we can 

1355
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:28,680
experiment and try different 
things. 

1356
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,080
But at the end of the day, 
people that follow us, our 

1357
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,360
community, they know that that's
kind of like at the base of 

1358
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:36,800
everything. 
And then you and. 

1359
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,760
You figure it out from there. 
Yeah, that's great. 

1360
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,560
Wow. 
I'd love to move us on to our 

1361
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,320
classic speed round because 
everybody loves to hear about 

1362
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,920
trends and loves to know what we
love and what we don't love. 

1363
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaking of like, you know, 
TikTok and Twitter and things 

1364
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,000
like that. 
Everybody loves to know where 

1365
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,680
people disagree with them. 
Yeah, he's obviously just quick 

1366
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,680
fire, but if you want to extend 
on them, feel free to because I 

1367
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,800
don't like, if anything they're 
quick fire. 

1368
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,560
But if anything, I love that 
there's like an addition to it. 

1369
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:03,960
You know what I mean? 
I feel like especially with us, 

1370
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:05,160
there's always something about 
it. 

1371
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:08,200
So the first couple that I have 
here is like to talk like do you

1372
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:11,120
use a top sheet or a flat sheet 
or no top sheet or flat sheet? 

1373
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:12,600
This is a fight, this, I was 
going to say. 

1374
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:14,440
This is a debate. 
I knew it. 

1375
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,040
I knew in the first question it 
was going to be a whole 

1376
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,200
conversation. 
I just knew it. 

1377
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:19,120
I. 
Love a flat sheet. 

1378
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,120
He hates a flat sheet, so we 
don't use a flat sheet. 

1379
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,720
I the only reason I don't like a
flat sheet is just because I get

1380
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,640
so hot when I sleep so I just 
would rather do without it but. 

1381
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,240
I would like to have a flat 
sheet, yes. 

1382
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:33,520
Yeah, no, I was listening to one
of your podcast episodes because

1383
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,080
you guys have a podcast and you 
were talking about how in the 

1384
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,400
States it was a huge thing. 
Obviously comforters are a huge 

1385
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:39,680
thing. 
And for the Aussies listening, 

1386
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,280
comforters are basically like a 
doona and a duvet cover, but 

1387
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,640
it's all sewn up and you don't 
remove the cover and things like

1388
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:45,960
that. 
But you guys are talking about 

1389
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,640
bag in a bed. 
There was a like a bed in a bed 

1390
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:49,960
in a bag. 
A bed in a bag. 

1391
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:51,000
Very big. 
Yeah. 

1392
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:52,880
So what is that? 
Like a comforter? 

1393
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,200
Like something essentially. 
It's that's every piece. 

1394
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,440
Of a bedding is. 
Literally you have your fitted 

1395
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,840
sheet, a top sheet, your two 
pillowcases, sometimes a bed 

1396
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,440
skirt and a comforter all in 
one. 

1397
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,040
And it's all. 
Matching and you buy them at a 

1398
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:11,320
department store very big when 
we very big in the novice back 

1399
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,800
you know here and wow yeah 
that's so funny. 

1400
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:18,560
I and you can get the entire bed
in a bag for about $150.00. 

1401
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,000
Yeah, maybe. 
Yeah, wow. 

1402
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,160
Say like that's like, and say 
like, because I've written 

1403
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,520
bedding since like since I 
finished union doing design and 

1404
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,640
things like that. 
So in Australia it's been like, 

1405
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,720
we've always just sound like the
sheet sets and the duvet or we 

1406
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,520
call them dunas. 
Dunas. 

1407
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,000
Yeah, but like, I call them a 
duvet because online people 

1408
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,520
understand what that is. 
Do you call the cover a Duna 

1409
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,560
cover? 
Yes, OK, People call them a Duna

1410
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:41,960
cover or they call it a duvet 
cover. 

1411
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,160
It depends. 
But like not like regular 

1412
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,320
Aussies, if you know, you ever 
come to Australia or be in 

1413
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,680
Australia and they say Duna and 
a Duna cover, you know that that

1414
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:51,320
they're talking about a duvet 
and a duvet. 

1415
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,600
I think because Duna was a brand
in the 80s and 90s that people 

1416
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,520
said that everyone just adopted 
calling it that, which is, yeah,

1417
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,600
sort of interesting because I've
heard this before. 

1418
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,560
It's like in the States, like if
there's ever like a popular item

1419
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:05,640
of something, it gets referred 
to that. 

1420
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,240
Whereas in Australia it doesn't 
happen as often. 

1421
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:08,960
But for some reason it happened 
with that. 

1422
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,800
Yeah. 
Like Chapstick and like Kleenex 

1423
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:14,360
and like things like that. 
Like, whereas we would be like a

1424
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,640
tissue, you know what I mean? 
Like it's, it's like it's weird 

1425
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,320
for one, like for one reason or 
another, you know, I've really 

1426
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,480
caught on. 
Yeah, but like, I'm a top sheet 

1427
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,200
lover. 
I never used to be, but then I 

1428
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,320
did that method where you put it
down on the bed and you flip it 

1429
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:27,840
over. 
So it's like a cuff. 

1430
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:29,880
So then when you sleep on it, it
doesn't move. 

1431
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,920
Yeah, it's. 
Whereas otherwise you kick it 

1432
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,000
under the bed. 
Right. 

1433
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,680
You're just like you're looking 
like we're not doing a top 

1434
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:38,440
shape. 
I'll try tonight and we'll see. 

1435
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:39,840
It's not going to work. 
I just don't know. 

1436
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,800
Freshly washed too. 
But also, it's like if you don't

1437
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:45,360
use top sheets, I always 
recommend to people, if you 

1438
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,760
don't use top sheets, save them 
and use them as tablecloths. 

1439
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,560
Because a lot of people, yeah, 
we do it. 

1440
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,320
Outdoors when we have our 
outdoor dinner parties. 

1441
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,520
Yeah, they're the best. 
Like it's so good in the fact 

1442
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,400
that you don't have to buy 
another tablecloth and you know 

1443
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:58,840
you're buying a sheet set. 
Where do you like to buy in your

1444
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:00,400
bed linen front? 
Like what's your favourite bed 

1445
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,240
linen brand we have? 
A couple, Yeah, there's a 

1446
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,120
couple. 
Cultivar goods is really great. 

1447
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,320
Oh. 
Yeah, that's an Australian 

1448
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:05,800
brand. 
Oh. 

1449
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,200
My gosh, look at this. 
It's all Australian. 

1450
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:09,480
I love this. 
Yeah. 

1451
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,080
Cultivar brands love Parachute 
Home. 

1452
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,280
They're really good. 
To be honest, Crate and Barrel 

1453
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:17,400
has really great linens here in 
the states. 

1454
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,680
They are so and another. 
Brand that people, especially if

1455
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,080
they're looking for an 
affordable option. 

1456
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:24,960
Quince. 
I don't know if that's popular 

1457
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,680
with in Australia. 
I don't think we have Quince, 

1458
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,880
yeah. 
QUINCE, they have a lot of 

1459
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:33,480
different things. 
They they have some clothing and

1460
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:34,720
stuff, but they have a really 
good sheets. 

1461
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,480
I think in our guest bedroom 
they're Quince. 

1462
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:38,280
And they're very affordable. 
And they're very affordable, so 

1463
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:39,280
it's a really good. 
Place good. 

1464
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,600
Yeah, I think it's always like 
here in Australia it's like 

1465
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,760
pillow talk or like which is 
more affordable. 

1466
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,080
Brands that are localised to 
Australia would be like Adairs 

1467
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,320
for anybody listening. 
That's like, you know, there's 

1468
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,040
also Maya, which is like one of 
our department stores that sells

1469
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:53,560
like it's own linen branch and 
things like that. 

1470
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,280
But it's, I always love asking 
about bed linen because it's 

1471
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:57,960
always a really good 
conversation because everybody 

1472
01:02:57,960 --> 01:02:59,720
has a bed and everybody has an 
opinion about it. 

1473
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:03,000
So which leads me onto like 
pillow chop or no chop. 

1474
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,520
Are you a cushion chopper or you
like it relaxed? 

1475
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,280
We used to be, we used to be 
major choppers, the aggressive 

1476
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:10,880
chop, but the full karate 
chopper. 

1477
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,360
I thought like Bunny is, yeah. 
And they had to match. 

1478
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:16,200
We were very specific on both 
chops, looking the same with. 

1479
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:17,920
Our bed now we're not. 
Chopping now we're not. 

1480
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,040
Yes, Yeah. 
It's more of like a relaxed, 

1481
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,240
relaxed look, like the cushion 
behind me is looking very 

1482
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,680
relaxed. 
Yeah, but I want to lean back 

1483
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:26,600
into it. 
So that's. 

1484
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,680
Exactly. 
That's I have, I don't know if 

1485
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,680
you saw the video where I gave 
people a full cushion class, 

1486
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,640
where I gave them sass about it,
where I was like, we want the 

1487
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:34,800
cushions to look like they're 
lived in and they're laying on 

1488
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:35,600
the item. 
Yeah. 

1489
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,200
Exactly don't think should look 
lived. 

1490
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,440
In you don't want it to look 
like that formal living room 

1491
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,640
that no one goes in and it's 
just for show. 

1492
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:43,360
Because when it looks too 
perfect, people don't want to 

1493
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:44,400
touch it, you know? 
Exactly. 

1494
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:45,240
Oh my God. 
OK, good. 

1495
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:46,800
I'm so glad we're on the same 
page about that one. 

1496
01:03:47,040 --> 01:03:51,360
So then the next one that I have
up on my list is unlike a brass 

1497
01:03:51,360 --> 01:03:53,560
or silver when it comes to 
hardware. 

1498
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,240
Placard brass always. 
However, I really I feel like 

1499
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,240
the two of us have been getting 
into silver lately, yes. 

1500
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,640
Yes I am. 
I feel like the rise of silver 

1501
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,360
and Chrome is really coming back
now. 

1502
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:05,240
It really. 
Is. 

1503
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:07,880
Yeah. 
Not really beautiful polished 

1504
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:09,200
silver. 
As I know it's actually 

1505
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,280
beautiful and I really, I love 
it in a bathroom. 

1506
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:12,760
I love silver in a bathroom. 
Yeah. 

1507
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,840
I mean, we don't have any silver
in any of our bathrooms, but if 

1508
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,280
we were to, I don't know, redo a
bathroom at some point, I would.

1509
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:19,040
Consider it. 
Yeah. 

1510
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:20,600
Yes, but I love unlockered 
brass. 

1511
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,080
I was actually when we were 
talking about trends, we were 

1512
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,840
one of the trends we were gonna 
say that we are not into is high

1513
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:27,080
polished brass. 
Yes. 

1514
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,680
Yes, there's a difference 
between the two. 

1515
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,360
Like, yeah. 
A huge difference. 

1516
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:32,760
The unlockered. 
Brass. 

1517
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:36,040
It just ages so well over time. 
Has a great patina. 

1518
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:38,120
And that's the lived in feel 
that we love. 

1519
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:39,360
Yeah, right. 
It's like that trick. 

1520
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,360
Have you seen that trick with 
people that put it in a bucket 

1521
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:46,880
of like they fill a bucket with 
vinegar and then they suspend 

1522
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,120
the brass above it and then it 
like ages it quicker? 

1523
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,280
Yeah, yeah. 
It's such a good trick. 

1524
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,240
OK, so then my next one that 
I've got here is OK. 

1525
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:58,400
So if you had to pick 1A scented
candle of room spray or incense,

1526
01:04:58,400 --> 01:04:59,920
which one would you say you use?
Mole. 

1527
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:01,960
A scented candle. 
Yeah, and then it would go 

1528
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,760
incense and then it would. 
I feel like we only. 

1529
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:05,360
Actually, we don't even use room
spray. 

1530
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,160
Yeah, I feel like if we have 
room spray, it's probably a gift

1531
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,920
that we got and then it's just, 
you know, we occasionally use 

1532
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:12,320
it, but I don't think we seek 
out rooms. 

1533
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:13,840
We're a little crazy with 
candles too. 

1534
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:18,640
We probably go through, I would 
say 1 candle per week. 

1535
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:22,200
Yeah, we go through candle. 
We always have a. 

1536
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,400
Kind of burning. 
We work like you too. 

1537
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:27,040
We work from home so much right?
And if we're not going to an 

1538
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:28,520
appointment, we're in the house 
all day. 

1539
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,320
We're like from the moment I 
wake up I want to light a candle

1540
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,640
and and I'll sometimes switch it
out the day depending on the 

1541
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,640
mood but I want a candle lit 
always. 

1542
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,560
And a candle I feel like is has 
like kind of very much like 

1543
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:41,680
duality to it. 
You have the sensoral experience

1544
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,400
from the candle that you get in 
the house, but and then you also

1545
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,520
have like the beauty of the warm
flame, you know, so you kind of 

1546
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:48,840
get like a dual purpose out of 
them. 

1547
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:49,880
Yeah, for sure. 
Yeah. 

1548
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,720
Do you have certain, like, sent 
notes that you're usually 

1549
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:53,440
burning? 
Like what? 

1550
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,600
What's the kind of candle that 
you lean to the most? 

1551
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:59,240
If I could burn something all 
year round, I don't know if 

1552
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,040
you'd agree with this, but I 
would burn. 

1553
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,320
I would burn something that's 
very like pine forward or 

1554
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:08,000
Cypress forward. 
I'm not proud of this, but I do 

1555
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:12,240
have this weird affinity to like
very floral candles. 

1556
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,920
When he says he means like 
grandma, he. 

1557
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,960
Calls them grandma candles. 
I disagree. 

1558
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:18,080
I don't think they're always 
grandma. 

1559
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,400
I don't know what it is. 
Obviously there's a fine line 

1560
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,200
that goes to it. 
But when we're shopping for 

1561
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,240
candles, I'll smell 1 and I 
personally think it smells 

1562
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,280
amazing. 
And Mike will say this smells 

1563
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,000
like my 9 year old grandma's 
candle. 

1564
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:32,840
So we sometimes don't ever agree
on candles. 

1565
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:34,440
So we have to find like happy 
balance. 

1566
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,640
But I do like a, I think for 
like for a guest bathroom, I 

1567
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,440
think a floral candle is really 
nice because it feels very fresh

1568
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,600
when after a guest is in there. 
But that if I'm not doing a 

1569
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:48,160
floral, I just love a warm, like
something leathery, smoky, musky

1570
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:50,760
kind of candle. 
And I feel like our candle 

1571
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,840
choices go along with like the 
sense that we were on ourselves 

1572
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:55,840
too with fragrance. 
Yeah, for sure. 

1573
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,360
Yeah, I've said before in the 
past that I'm very much all 

1574
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,400
about the green sense. 
So I love things that are like 

1575
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,480
tomatoes or like, like 
herbaceous is like the word that

1576
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,800
people actually use. 
But then then I think a lot of 

1577
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,080
people here love it's a fact. 
Like they say gourmand because 

1578
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,320
it's a fancy word basically for 
they like things that smell like

1579
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:14,200
butter and baked goods and 
candy, you know? 

1580
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,560
So it's interesting, you know? 
Yeah, you're like, you're like, 

1581
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,400
no, I don't like that. 
Candle smells like food. 

1582
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:24,520
Food like I can't process it. 
Like I really can't handle it. 

1583
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,080
Like when someone gets like a 
baked sugar cookie. 

1584
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:30,240
For their well, you know what's 
funny when we when fall comes 

1585
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,880
around for some reason, I in the
kitchen especially and I love 

1586
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:38,200
something that smells very 
vanilla, sugary, kind of almost 

1587
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,520
kind of I guess like a doughnut 
or like a pumpkin pie. 

1588
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:41,760
I'm all. 
About it I'm not. 

1589
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,360
All about it, I hate it. 
Maybe you need to do like a 

1590
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,520
gingerbread energy so then it's 
more spiced so that it feels 

1591
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,640
like it's like baked. 
By that this year. 

1592
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:52,080
I was going to say because also 
the fact that you like more 

1593
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,720
Cypress and then you like more 
floral, maybe you're good to go 

1594
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,680
with like a fig like a diptych 
figura or the bays. 

1595
01:07:59,160 --> 01:07:59,920
Yeah. 
Do you know what I mean? 

1596
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:03,040
Like the the berries, Like I 
think Diptych does a really good

1597
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:06,360
job of balancing green and 
florals together to make them 

1598
01:08:06,360 --> 01:08:10,200
feel and also like I've been 
really in on the room sprays 

1599
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:12,480
from diptych recently. 
I actually find they have a 

1600
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,080
really good pay off in 
comparison to the candle 

1601
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,279
sometimes because sometimes the 
candles be like sensitive. 

1602
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:19,840
But I have like the bays room 
spray and I also have the 

1603
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,279
kitchen. 
I'm looking over to it. 

1604
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:24,680
Sorry, that's it's but it's the 
it's like a reset scent, which 

1605
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:28,399
like eliminates odours and it's 
got tomato leaf, mint and basil.

1606
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,319
And it smells like a market, 
like it smells like fresh 

1607
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:34,720
produce. 
And I'm just like I'm all about.

1608
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:36,439
That kind of. 
So I want to OK, I'm going to 

1609
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:37,560
get that. 
Yeah, it smells amazing. 

1610
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:38,160
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

1611
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:41,680
And then like, but also try out 
like try the Bays candle by 

1612
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,479
Diptique in that it's like 
berries, but it's green. 

1613
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:46,279
It might be a really good 
balance. 

1614
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:48,720
Like it's not as it's not as 
like it's not as green as 

1615
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:52,240
forward as maybe like a more 
Christmas see green foliage 

1616
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:54,960
Cypress kind of scent. 
But it does have like green 

1617
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:56,560
notes, figura and things like 
that. 

1618
01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:57,840
They're like, they're really 
good. 

1619
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,760
Have you smelled the tomato vine
candle from Flamingo State? 

1620
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,560
I have, I literally have it like
right next to me, like it is one

1621
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,000
of my favourites. 
And then the same with and like 

1622
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,479
the low wave. 
A beetroot candle is one of my 

1623
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:10,720
favourite. 
Any of those yet? 

1624
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,479
The low wave a ones. 
They're good, but they do happen

1625
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,960
to tunnel like everyone I've 
seen or whenever I see them 

1626
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:17,800
online, and that's why I don't 
share them very often. 

1627
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:21,279
I share the vessel, but I don't 
share the and I bought the lid 

1628
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:23,200
and everybody, if anyone looks 
it up, they're going to see that

1629
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:25,399
the lid and the vessel are sold 
separately and don't even talk 

1630
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:31,000
to me about it, but they tunnel.
But like the beetroot smells 

1631
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,520
amazing. 
And I have the blue one, which 

1632
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,279
is Cypress bells. 
So you probably might like that 

1633
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:37,319
one. 
It's like very Christmassy to 

1634
01:09:37,319 --> 01:09:40,120
me. 
But yeah, like candles again, 

1635
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:42,319
sheets, candles, We all have our
preferences. 

1636
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:44,279
That was actually like when you 
were speaking about a trend that

1637
01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:46,760
you're not liking at the moment 
with the polished bra. 

1638
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,160
It's like, what's an interior 
design trend that you're loving 

1639
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:54,400
in 2025? 
That I'm loving, I would say I 

1640
01:09:54,400 --> 01:10:00,160
just love that people are the 
trend is people are becoming 

1641
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:04,000
more homebodies now, right, like
everyone, I feel like people are

1642
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:06,160
caring about their space so much
more. 

1643
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:07,720
I feel like that is almost a 
trend, right? 

1644
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:10,400
Like everyone makes those videos
of you know those TikTok sounds 

1645
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,560
where it's like I'm staying and 
I'm never leaving right. 

1646
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,160
I feel like that's such a trend 
to like Nest and which then in 

1647
01:10:16,160 --> 01:10:19,360
turn makes you care more about 
your home, which I want everyone

1648
01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:22,160
1/2. 
So I love that people are caring

1649
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:24,360
more about the space that 
they're in, you know? 

1650
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:25,760
I'll add 1 friend. 
Which one? 

1651
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,040
Yes. 
I love that people are really 

1652
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:32,000
leaning into really deep rich 
colours because I feel like 

1653
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,240
there was a time where people 
wanted to make their space just 

1654
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,360
feel very bright and airy and 
white and white. 

1655
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,080
And then, you know, we kind of 
went into the beige a little 

1656
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:42,480
bit. 
But I feel like now people are 

1657
01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:45,440
really starting to incorporate 
really beautiful, rich colours, 

1658
01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:49,800
which just makes your face feel 
very warm, inviting, you feel 

1659
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,480
enveloped in the colour. 
So it's just, it's just very 

1660
01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:53,840
comfortable. 
People not being afraid of 

1661
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:56,320
colour, yeah. 
Yeah, like the walnut, the 

1662
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,160
Burgundies, the chocolates. 
Yeah. 

1663
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:01,720
Well, what's the trend you're 
not loving at the moment? 

1664
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:07,120
The ultra modern luxury new 
construction in homes, I mean, 

1665
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:09,960
for us, like we talked about, 
it's there's so much new 

1666
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,160
construction in our city and 
everything looks the same. 

1667
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:16,520
And it's so it's like that MC 
Mansion look where everything's 

1668
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:21,080
like super bright marble and 
super bright neon lights. 

1669
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:24,560
And it's not where there's no 
personality there. 

1670
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:26,600
I think you're also set up a 
failure in a way because you 

1671
01:11:26,600 --> 01:11:28,680
don't know how to decorate it 
because they've kind of done in 

1672
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,360
a way that's very similar to 
like AI kind of explain like if 

1673
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,240
they're not made mansions and 
they're just kind of boxes. 

1674
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,960
It kind of reminds me of they're
kind of apartments, but they're 

1675
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:37,640
also shopping centres because 
they're as big. 

1676
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:39,560
Like they're kind of like, and 
then you're like, well, how do 

1677
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,360
I, how do I style this because 
it's so big. 

1678
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:44,160
And it's like, how do shopping 
centres look? 

1679
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:45,160
You know what I mean? 
Like you have to. 

1680
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,960
Yeah, like malls. 
Sorry like I'm all my. 

1681
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,280
Yeah. 
Yeah, like I feel like it's that

1682
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:52,160
thing where you kind of like, 
OK, I don't know how to go from 

1683
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:53,360
here. 
Like I have a lot of people who 

1684
01:11:53,360 --> 01:11:56,040
live in new builds and like, how
do I make my house feel more 

1685
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:57,320
homey? 
And it's like, because they live

1686
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,160
in a new house and land package 
house and I'm like, well, the 

1687
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:02,840
real style you can do is 
contemporary and contemporary 

1688
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:04,680
only because you can't really 
incorporate that. 

1689
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,280
You can, you can do something 
that's like a mid century 

1690
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,520
inspired, but a lot of the time 
is like, no, you really need to 

1691
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,760
stick with like contemporary 
furniture that you would find in

1692
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,240
an apartment, but you'll just 
happen to be on a ground level 

1693
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,920
and it extends exactly longer. 
You know what I mean? 

1694
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:18,400
Right. 
So I agree with you. 

1695
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,280
It's really tricky. 
I also don't love people buying 

1696
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,000
old houses. 
I feel like I've gotten out of 

1697
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,360
the phase of seeing old houses 
with the modern extension on the

1698
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:26,720
back. 
I think I'm kind of tired of 

1699
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,720
seeing like that, Like, Oh, and 
we've done this like corrugated 

1700
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,080
iron look with this like big 
glass window on the back of this

1701
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,120
old house. 
And it's almost like, I want to 

1702
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,320
see people like be like, no, 
we've actually built this and it

1703
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:40,200
looks like it was from the time.
And it's like the same bridge. 

1704
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:43,440
And like we like restore these 
really old doors and we've put 

1705
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:46,080
them in and we've double glazed 
like that would be so much 

1706
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,560
cooler, but. 
It's like when people though, 

1707
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:53,280
when I see and it like it hurts 
my heart when I see these old 

1708
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:57,480
historical homes and someone 
buys it and then just completely

1709
01:12:57,480 --> 01:13:02,040
modernises it and it's lost 
every bit of the history of the 

1710
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:03,800
space. 
Like, Oh my gosh, you could 

1711
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:04,560
have. 
You could have. 

1712
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:07,400
Such a disservice. 
I know, like you're covering up 

1713
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,440
all that beauty. 
Yeah, where I leave someone, 

1714
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:11,320
someone described it to me. 
I thought it was hilarious. 

1715
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:12,760
I was walking down the street 
and I was chatting with my 

1716
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,120
neighbour and they got all the 
good bump out and butt lift 

1717
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:18,040
where they push out and then 
they go up like, yeah, I was 

1718
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:21,240
like, I love that term and I'm 
going to keep that term forever.

1719
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,000
They buy these townhomes and 
they knock off the back and then

1720
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:25,920
bump it out of the back and then
they do a second level. 

1721
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,520
And I was like, exactly. 
So what's your go to meal when 

1722
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:29,720
you have friends over? 
You're hosting a lot. 

1723
01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:32,200
I love seeing when you have like
last night on your stories, you 

1724
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:33,640
had a really beautiful dinner 
that you were having. 

1725
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,600
So what's your go to meal? 
I think it changes seasonally 

1726
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,120
when we have friends over. 
We love having dinner parties. 

1727
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,360
I just think it's such a a 
beautiful way to be with 

1728
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:45,040
friends, gather people and have 
a great experience. 

1729
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,880
I think right now our go to 
would be a really refreshing 

1730
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,600
summer salad. 
So something with beautiful 

1731
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,320
greens, strawberries and 
chicken. 

1732
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:54,520
I think that's kind of what 
we're going. 

1733
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:56,840
For chicken because of the 
summer, but like last night we 

1734
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,520
did homemade pizza. 
We have a pizza oven and. 

1735
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,920
Love that. 
We just made it so easy. 

1736
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,160
We thought originally when we 
were having friends over, let's 

1737
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,480
just order some pizzas. 
And I thought, no, we have a 

1738
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:09,160
pizza oven, let's get dough and 
let's actually just make it 

1739
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,680
ourselves. 
So yeah, summer pizza is the 

1740
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:12,560
best. 
I love it. 

1741
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,600
And also because you can 
customise it and it feels like 

1742
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,320
you're getting like you're in 
engage with the people who are 

1743
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,440
coming over. 
So it feels more like a moment. 

1744
01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:19,680
And I love that. 
Yeah. 

1745
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:23,120
And then the last one that I've 
got here is the movie night Must

1746
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,360
watch at home. 
What's the movie that you always

1747
01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:27,120
find yourself coming back to to 
watch? 

1748
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:30,400
Well, I we, we love scary 
movies. 

1749
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,240
That's our kind of favourite 
genre to watch. 

1750
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,040
I know it's very OK, very 
interesting. 

1751
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:36,360
We love we love to be scared for
a movie night. 

1752
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:40,320
But if we're not watching that I
love sci fi movies and I try to 

1753
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:44,400
make Mike watch them with me. 
So Dune it's like I've seen so 

1754
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:45,360
many times. 
It's. 

1755
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:47,280
I love this. 
This is such a take. 

1756
01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,280
This is like, I didn't know 
expect to go around this corner,

1757
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,160
but I'm so glad that we did. 
Ever. 

1758
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,360
No one expects what I love, so 
it's that. 

1759
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:56,320
What else do we always watch? 
I mean my the two that I always 

1760
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:59,480
try to get Alex to watch. 
I love the very first Jurassic 

1761
01:14:59,480 --> 01:15:00,600
Park. 
I could watch it. 

1762
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:04,160
I've probably seen it 30 times. 
Have you gone? 

1763
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:05,240
Have you gone and seen the new 
one? 

1764
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:05,760
We did. 
We. 

1765
01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:09,800
Went to an early screening of it
here and they're fun but he's 

1766
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:11,120
there. 
I feel like it's your childhood.

1767
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:12,440
And you love it. 
I love it. 

1768
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,400
It's that, and I know what 
you're gonna say the next one. 

1769
01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:15,680
Screen. 
Yeah, the screen. 

1770
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,160
Oh. 
My God, I love that this I did 

1771
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:21,240
not expect this generally like 
my partner Carrie is obsessed 

1772
01:15:21,240 --> 01:15:23,120
with like adventure movies or 
sci fi movies. 

1773
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:24,920
That's their preference. 
Whereas my preference is the 

1774
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,640
token ROM com like I am. 
Yeah, You know what I mean? 

1775
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,960
Like the other night, like I 
watched like you would have said

1776
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,640
it on my stories where I watched
the kissing boys in cars with 

1777
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,240
Drew Barrymore. 
And I regret putting that on 

1778
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,880
because it's just devastating. 
I'm just like, it's like 

1779
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:38,920
softcore devastation. 
I was like, I'm not. 

1780
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,400
I'm going to wait another 20 
years before I watch that again 

1781
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,200
like you. 
Need a break from it? 

1782
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:45,080
Yeah. 
Yeah, but I always watch like 

1783
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,640
something's going to give or 
like, how does this go in 10 

1784
01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:48,680
days? 
Like I would like to have 

1785
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:49,640
something. 
They are playing in the 

1786
01:15:49,640 --> 01:15:52,840
background. 
It's funny, I like ROM coms but 

1787
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:54,720
they're not something that I 
like. 

1788
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:56,840
I've seen them though. 
I've seen all of the classics so

1789
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:58,560
many times, but. 
It's our favourite think about 

1790
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,760
in our favourite ROM com that we
love watching that also kind of 

1791
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,760
incorporates. 
Is it ours or is it yours? 

1792
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,080
I think ours, OK, one that kind 
of incorporates a bit of design 

1793
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,280
too, I think. 
No, I love it. 

1794
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:10,840
But that's not ours. 
That is your thing. 

1795
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,120
I know what you're going to say.
Have you seen Home Again with 

1796
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:13,840
Reese Witherspoon? 
I. 

1797
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:16,600
Knew you were going to say this.
No, I need to watch this. 

1798
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:20,560
It's a Nancy Meyers movie, so 
you'll like It's a beautiful 

1799
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,200
movie. 
I feel bad if you're not 

1800
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,520
watching it. 
But Mike does say this to people

1801
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:27,720
a lot, that that's a movie that 
we love to watch and it is a 

1802
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:29,480
great movie. 
But you love them, OK. 

1803
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,240
OK, OK, well what? 
Well what would be your ROM com 

1804
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,440
pick then if you had to pick a 
ROM com to watch? 

1805
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:37,080
No, I feel like I. 
Don't like ROM? 

1806
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:38,280
Coms. 
Yeah. 

1807
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,400
Like which sounds like not 
doesn't sound. 

1808
01:16:41,480 --> 01:16:42,880
Like, no, it's fine to not like 
ROM com. 

1809
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:46,040
I like ROM coms because I think 
the reason why I lean to them is

1810
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,080
because it's it's like the 
character development and the 

1811
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:51,160
storylines are never that 
developed, right? 

1812
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:53,320
But it's more of the fact that 
everything else is developed. 

1813
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:56,600
So the home is really developed 
and like the outfits are really 

1814
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,200
developed and like where they go
out for dinner is really like 

1815
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,720
everything is very consistent. 
Like their lifestyle is on 

1816
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:02,960
display. 
And you know, like, for 

1817
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,240
instance, like I love like the 
movie like practical magic, 

1818
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:07,000
which is. 
Just made that. 

1819
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:08,280
That was going to be my next 
thing. 

1820
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:11,840
I was going to say a movie. 
The house in that is incredible,

1821
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:13,600
you know? 
We just talked about that movie 

1822
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:15,440
yesterday because I can't wait 
for the second one. 

1823
01:17:15,480 --> 01:17:16,840
You know that they're. 
Coming out there so. 

1824
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,520
And I love that movie. 
So that's that's yeah. 

1825
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:20,840
That's it. 
That's probably and like the 

1826
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:22,920
movie like you've got mail like 
which is. 

1827
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:25,600
Yeah, like. 
So classic at like Christmas 

1828
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:26,600
time. 
Would she have like the 

1829
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,400
bookstore? 
We're gonna have to be like 

1830
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:29,520
it's. 
I know. 

1831
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:31,480
They're, they're very, they're 
great. 

1832
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,040
And like you just pay attention 
to the vibes and like also 

1833
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:35,840
because they're all based in the
90s where you're like, you just 

1834
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:37,000
can't get that back. 
Do you know what I mean? 

1835
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:39,080
Like in terms of them, not 
because everything we have 

1836
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:40,760
mobile phones now. 
So it's like, babe, you would 

1837
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:42,360
see them, you would text them, 
you know what I mean? 

1838
01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:43,760
Like yeah, it's all possible 
now. 

1839
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,600
My God. 
Well, thank you both so much for

1840
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,200
coming on the podcast today. 
It's been so much fun catching 

1841
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:50,680
up. 
It's so fun, Oh my God. 

1842
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:55,080
And with every episode, I always
get the guest to ask the next 

1843
01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,480
guest the following question. 
Our last guest asked the 

1844
01:17:57,480 --> 01:18:01,520
question, what do you do when 
you're stuck in a creative rut? 

1845
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:03,560
How do you get? 
What are your ways to get out of

1846
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:04,840
that? 
I think something we both can 

1847
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:07,080
agree on would be going out and 
walking in nature. 

1848
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,520
I think we're. 
Just to get, you know, a breath 

1849
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:10,840
of fresh air. 
But I think we're also very 

1850
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:13,920
inspired by nature. 
So I think that allows us to 

1851
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:17,600
kind of get the creative juices 
flowing again and really dive 

1852
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,840
into in our imagination. 
Yeah, get out of the same base 

1853
01:18:20,840 --> 01:18:22,400
that you're in, where you're 
feeling. 

1854
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,720
Yeah, literally like remove 
yourself from the everyday, like

1855
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:28,320
yeah, get outside, put the phone
down and it kind of resets you a

1856
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:31,080
little bit. 100% amazing. 
I love that. 

1857
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:33,480
Well, again, thank you so much 
for coming on, guys. 

1858
01:18:33,480 --> 01:18:35,480
I really appreciate it. 
This was so much fun. 

1859
01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:38,320
I'm so glad we got to catch up. 
This was I feel like the time 

1860
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:39,880
flew by. 
I I loved it. 

1861
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,480
And that's it for today's 
episode of fellow friends and 

1862
01:18:43,480 --> 01:18:45,720
home and hosting. 
A big thank you to Alex and 

1863
01:18:45,720 --> 01:18:47,640
Mike. 
I loved getting to sit down with

1864
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:50,840
them and chat all things home 
design and content. 

1865
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:54,280
If you're not already following 
them, definitely head over to at

1866
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:57,240
Alex and Mike on Instagram. 
Their home styling and 

1867
01:18:57,240 --> 01:18:59,920
entertaining content is always 
such a joy to follow. 

1868
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,000
And if you've enjoyed today's 
episode, don't forget to follow,

1869
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,120
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review. 

1870
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:07,240
It really helps others discover 
the show. 

1871
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:10,920
You can also keep up with me 
over on Instagram and TikTok at 

1872
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:14,160
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lifestyle content, styling tips,

1873
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:15,960
and behind the scenes of what 
I'm up to. 

1874
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,760
Thank you again so much for 
listening and I'll see you in 

1875
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:20,960
the next home and hosting with 
Louis Burke.