1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:02,880 Good evening, fans. Tim Kittrow here, the voice of 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,840 NBA Jam. And you're listening to the Game 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:09,800 Dev Breakdown podcast, brought to you by Code right play.com. 4 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:25,160 Hey everybody. Guess who's back? 5 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,800 It's Todd Mitchell. This is game dev. 6 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,040 Breakdown. You know that or you wouldn't 7 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,600 have turned this on. So here's the situation. 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,600 I've been I've been out of the game. 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,200 This has been a. Weird year this has. 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,440 Been a whole. Weird year earlier this year. 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,840 I connected with my local. Improv scene here in Saint Louis 12 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,920 we moved right at the end of. Last year I was on. 13 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,240 A big project that stayed under wraps never saw the light of 14 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:52,400 day. Got cancelled. 15 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,680 I've really invested some time and some energy into some. 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,360 Things. And you know what? 17 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,440 Every time I do, I always come back to this and go I should 18 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,920 just be investing that in myself, in the people who 19 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,720 believe in me, in the community. We. 20 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,240 Have here. So here I am again. 21 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,960 I cannot stay away and and I shouldn't. 22 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:12,880 Maybe I should. Maybe it doesn't make sense, but 23 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,600 I'm. Here Anyway, so yeah, like I 24 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,280 said, this year I I took a writing. 25 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:18,760 Workshop. I talked about that on the 26 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,400 podcast. A little bit did did some some 27 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,960 intensive writing training under the guy's name is Rich Talarico 28 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:28,600 very. Very well respected man in. 29 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,280 Literally in. Hollywood like he was a. 30 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,160 Colbert, Writer Key and Peele. SNL, like this guy has done it 31 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,520 all. I was so fortunate to take part 32 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,000 in that, worked really hard on that. 33 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:42,120 I. Have tried training a dog three 34 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,360 different times this year. 2 did not work out. 35 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,480 For really upsetting reasons. That's been a whole thing, but 36 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,120 we. Finally have our forever. 37 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,760 Boy, we got a A. Boston Terrier who's been here? 38 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,200 About a month and a half now. He's awesome. 39 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,280 I'm getting up in the middle of the night. 40 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,800 To let the dog out in the backyard probably once an hour 41 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:02,960 or. Maybe two. 42 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,200 No, no, no. More than every two hours. 43 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,240 I'm standing Outback and it's getting cold. 44 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,440 It's getting cold. Outside we've had a lot of rain, 45 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,200 we've had a lot. Of stuff that's to. 46 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,160 To sort of illustrate what I'm up. 47 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,760 Against when it comes to game development. 48 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:22,240 Content creation, Managing the circle of friends that have sort 49 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,440 of gathered around. The stuff that I do and I 50 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,680 appreciate you guys so much, that does not make it any. 51 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:28,840 Easier to to. Get in the office. 52 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,160 So he's getting my dog is getting to a point. 53 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,040 Where he's. Cool after like 8:00 PM he's in 54 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,880 his. Little little spot downstairs 55 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,360 and he's ready to sleep through the night. 56 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,080 That's been great. I'll still be up at 2:00 or 3:00 57 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,000 AM. Something like that tonight to 58 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,040 let him out. That's all fine. 59 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:46,920 We wanted this, my son wanted this. 60 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:48,880 The family decided now is the time. 61 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:50,960 So I'm fine. I'm fine with it. 62 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,320 We'll have a. Puppy for the holidays, that's. 63 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,080 Cool. But I'm also sort of steeped in 64 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,040 more game development. Stuff now in these last few 65 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,720 weeks than I have been in. Years since I worked on my my 66 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,040 indie game some years ago. Now I I'm. 67 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:09,720 Doing more. I'm writing more about it. 68 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,200 I'm writing more. Code and so I think it'd be fun 69 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,840 to. Sort of look, obviously. 70 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,960 I I left off the actual game development episodes. 71 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:21,880 On a cliffhanger I keep bringing up. 72 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,560 My buddy Sebastian Deacon, who is so nice to. 73 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,800 Volunteer for the first. Co. 74 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:33,320 Development series and I just. Completely let him down. 75 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,440 So I feel terrible. About that, we haven't even 76 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,280 spoken in a long time. But he mostly left Twitter and. 77 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,360 Eventually so did I, so I want to talk a little about that. 78 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,040 I want to talk about what's going on. 79 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,600 Y'all know if you've if you've listened to the show in the past 80 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,920 I have at times been a unity. Developer and I probably don't. 81 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,360 Have to remind you what's going on with Unity. 82 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,040 It's been almost two months now since. 83 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:02,240 They lost their minds. So we we won't go. 84 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:03,880 Through every little detail of. That. 85 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,600 Anybody who's interested in it knows sort of what. 86 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,160 Happened, but so Unity decided. They're going to overhaul their 87 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,040 fees, guys. Every every commercial game 88 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,600 engine goes through some version of this if you've been around. 89 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,279 The game long enough. You saw Game Maker do. 90 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,760 This you saw, we got into it with. 91 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,320 I got into it with the guys behind build box. 92 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:24,920 For a while because they did a version of. 93 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:29,520 This that I found kind of. Predatory and that resulted in. 94 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,840 The CEO and one of his fellow executives coming on the show to 95 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:40,600 discuss things, which was was kind of interesting, but if you 96 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,080 follow anyone game engine long enough, you tend to see 97 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,000 something like this so. Their version was this whole. 98 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,640 Runtime. Fee thing I never understood. 99 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:53,880 That the runtime fee. What does that? 100 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,120 Even mean like I understand what they're saying it. 101 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:57,760 Means, but does it actually cost? 102 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,400 Them anything? I would argue no. 103 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,560 If we have a license agreement, honour that, I don't understand 104 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:04,720 this. You you might. 105 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:05,720 Recall. That I've said on the. 106 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,680 Show before I was a contract game developer for a while 107 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:12,200 through like Upwork and through. A local. 108 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,160 Studio that contracted with clients. 109 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,240 Think of the wrench that throws into that, thankfully. 110 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,800 I don't do that stuff. Anymore, but imagine trying to 111 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,560 work out with your customer if you're a contract developer. 112 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,640 Who's going to pay that fee? If and when that surpasses 113 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:30,520 whatever threshold. Which may change in six months. 114 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,520 So yes, when when people say like this is. 115 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,480 A game killer for. Unity I agree. 116 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,680 I I think. It's one of the biggest. 117 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,720 Points I made online was. Proprietary engines will always. 118 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:46,280 Lead to heartbreak. Unity is not just they haven't 119 00:05:46,280 --> 00:05:48,480 just stuck their foot in it. They've this has been a 120 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,000 reminder, this has been a reminder of what it's like. 121 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:55,440 To try to develop with. A commercial engine you are if. 122 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:57,880 If you listen to this, thankfully I've made. 123 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,280 Some friends around the industry, we can discuss that 124 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:02,560 another time, but. A lot of you guys. 125 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:08,000 Are aspiring developers Indies? Small teams, soloists, it's 126 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,720 like. Trying to strike up. 127 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,280 An even footed. Relationship with a massive 128 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:14,240 corporation. I don't think it can be done. 129 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:16,880 I don't think it's wise for you to try to do it. 130 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,800 And I have advocated for unity in the past. 131 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,640 Certainly compared to like Unreal. 132 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,360 Engine Tim Sweeney has done a lot to kind of win me. 133 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,800 Over recently. But I still don't trust him. 134 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,280 I don't. I don't trust these these guys 135 00:06:29,280 --> 00:06:31,200 in charge of these big. Companies and I don't trust the 136 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,640 big companies. And I think this is. 137 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:38,080 Another prime example of why. Anybody on a small team you 138 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,640 don't have a team of? Lawyers ready to take this up on 139 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:42,120 your behalf? You think? 140 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:46,160 If you went to court right now against unity, would it change 141 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,240 your life? Would it turn your world upside 142 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:49,080 down? It would. 143 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:52,840 Mess mine up real bad. Like real bad it would. 144 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,640 So if you're in that position, that's probably a good reason. 145 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,840 Not to get into business. With a company like Unity. 146 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:01,840 So I again I think. This is a reminder. 147 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,960 More than just the issue itself, this is a tap on the shoulder 148 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:06,640 going. Do you still think this is a 149 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,320 good idea? And I don't, I'm past it. 150 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,760 So again, I, I don't think this is exclusive to Unity. 151 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,040 I think, you know, we've seen in the past that. 152 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,760 Unreal Engine has changed their stuff, sometimes for better, 153 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,360 sometimes for worse. Any of these companies will. 154 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,240 Probably drag you through the wringer at some point. 155 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,120 So I'm going to go ahead and. Advocate for like, do something 156 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,440 open source. Like get some. 157 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,920 Open source technology behind you and so of course, what? 158 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,120 Everyone did after this Unity thing look, so I mean look the. 159 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,040 Blowback was for Unity, that OK. People inside the company said, 160 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,320 hey, this isn't cool people outside the company. 161 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,560 Hey, we're going. To stop using Unity and. 162 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,960 The CEO who everybody remembers, the whole developers are 163 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:52,920 fucking. Idiots guy. 164 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,720 John Ricciolo, he. Was part of the. 165 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,320 Communication of this whole thing. 166 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,880 And he stepped down from Unity. OK, by the time that happened, I 167 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,080 thought, well, really, that's almost bad. 168 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,120 News for me because I already decided ME and Unity are done 169 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:10,520 and I think. A lot of people had, they 170 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,200 thought no matter what happens, I'm out and so now. 171 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,040 John Roticello is just floating out there. 172 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,920 And he may. Attach himself to something else 173 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,720 I don't want him to be a part of, you know what I mean? 174 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,760 Like what if he goes? This is a dumb example but like 175 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,480 what if he goes and like? Jumps on a board at the blender. 176 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,520 Foundation and like no. OK, blunders going commercial. 177 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,840 Point being that something you rely on, he could go ruin it 178 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,240 now. I mean, there's more. 179 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:38,679 Chance of that happening than me you know, continuing to hang out 180 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:40,440 with. Unity, that's for sure. 181 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,080 So a lot of people. Said the same thing and they 182 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:44,560 said. We're going to Godot. 183 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:46,400 I'm going to pronounce. It godot I don't. 184 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:47,760 Care and I don't hear about it for. 185 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,640 Me like I, I. Spend a lot of time researching 186 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,760 game engines, open source stuff, frameworks. 187 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,240 Because I'm a, I'm a. Programmer. 188 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,560 I don't mind not. Having the visual. 189 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:01,480 Tools and we're going to discuss sort of where I ended up, but a 190 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,000 lot. Of people went to Godot because 191 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,320 it is. Kind of organized like unity. 192 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,120 And it it does, kind of. When you figure it out, it does, 193 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,840 kind of. Feel a lot like Unity feels so I 194 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:13,520 think. There were a lot of. 195 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,360 People saying, hey, come to Godot. 196 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:16,440 And then a lot of people went, yeah. 197 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,600 Let's go check out Godot. And that turned into a very 198 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,800 interesting. Couple of weeks, didn't it, when 199 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,920 we saw all of these people who came, came. 200 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,880 Into the Godot community. And seemed like they had a lot 201 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:34,560 of expectations and I would say a lot of demands if. 202 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,920 If he were Gadot's lead developer, his name is. 203 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:42,000 Juan Linietsky Linietsky something like. 204 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,360 That. If if I was that guy, I would 205 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,720 have become. Pretty unpopular during that 206 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,920 time. Because it should be a dream 207 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,440 come true, right? You know. 208 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,040 A whole bunch of people see the light about unity all at once, 209 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,640 and then they come. And check out your open source, 210 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,640 you know, passion. Project that you've been 211 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:00,000 attached. To for so long. 212 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,480 Gadot's in a good place. They just had their big what was 213 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,480 it, version 4 release, something like that. 214 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:09,720 So big it's it's looking as good as it's looked in a long time. 215 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,320 People are coming. Up with very impressive works in 216 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,080 progress. Little demonstrations. 217 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,960 Little. Proofs of concept using Guido 218 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,120 that look great. Look, you know, next Gen., very 219 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:23,760 modern, pushing the bounds of. What we can really do with an 220 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,840 engine right now. So it's it's a great time and 221 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,800 they came at a great time. That should have been like, hey, 222 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,320 the community, I don't know, doubled in size. 223 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,680 Fantastic. But I I maybe it was just. 224 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:37,400 From being on Twitter and being in just the wrong corner of the 225 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,480 Internet at the wrong time. But like the. 226 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,240 People who came over, too many of them seemed. 227 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,680 Like they got, really. Obnoxious, didn't they? 228 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:47,800 There were Gadot. People who were like. 229 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,800 Contributors who work on the open source stuff like asking 230 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,560 people like. Hey, could you not get? 231 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:55,480 In and create like a a ticket, like an issue. 232 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,120 Asking us to put in like, actual. 233 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:02,520 Unity features into Guido. That's not my my. 234 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,440 Point when I wrote about. This again I I. 235 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,760 Did an article. Called a case for. 236 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,440 Monogame in 2023. Not to get too far ahead of 237 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,160 myself here, but my point was like I think. 238 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,760 It's great and I like Guido. I was using it when we when we 239 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:20,680 last did the podcast, but my, my point was let Guido be Guido and 240 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:24,200 don't ask it to be unity. The people coming over like, 241 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,480 well, I'm just here because of C# support and I don't like how 242 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,360 the C# support looks. If I was. 243 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,520 One the lead developer I. Wouldn't tell these people to go 244 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,520 to hell. I really would have and and then 245 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,880 that would have been news. We would have gone from getting. 246 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:38,800 Mad at John Roticello to mad at me. 247 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:44,000 I would have strongly encouraged people like that to just try 248 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,760 something else, really. What my suggestion would be? 249 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,400 If you're such AC sharp, superstar. 250 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:52,840 If you're such a ninja. With with C#. 251 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:54,200 Maybe. Maybe. 252 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,440 It's time for you. To bump up to something like 253 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:00,480 Monogame, maybe jump past the engine thing which is never 254 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,360 going to satisfy you. Unity didn't satisfy these guys. 255 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,400 They were complaining all day. Gadot certainly won't, because 256 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,560 now they've spent all this time. Years probably learning all 257 00:12:09,560 --> 00:12:13,120 these proprietary. Menus in Unity and now they're. 258 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,040 Looking for those. Same things in Gadot and going 259 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,920 where the hell is. The cinematic camera. 260 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,320 Whatever. And it just it just. 261 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,600 Doesn't work exactly that way. I say if you're. 262 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,440 Such a freaking superstar. Start coding from the ground up. 263 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:30,040 Why don't you come over and show us what you? 264 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,200 Got and in fact I am kind of. Putting my money where my. 265 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,320 Mouth is on that one, because I did. 266 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,480 I've looked at Monogame in the past. 267 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,680 I've talked about it before, in fact. 268 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,560 When I first learned. Monogame stuff when it was 269 00:12:43,560 --> 00:12:46,000 still. XNA, the XNA framework which, 270 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,040 for better or worse, Microsoft developed and released. 271 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,120 At the time I thought this was really cool the the. 272 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,360 History here was that Microsoft? Wanted. 273 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,240 Like genuinely wanted. To support indie developers 274 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:03,200 because they knew, and this holds true today, that 275 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,600 supporting indie developers is a good way. 276 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:08,520 To. Had your, your library, your 277 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,920 offerings to? Customers, that's a good way. 278 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,960 To greatly increase what's available in the store, you 279 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,480 know. Epic can only make so many 280 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,760 games. So often Microsoft. 281 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,040 At that time, before they. Bought all the other. 282 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,880 Studios and publishers could only make so much. 283 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,200 Every so often, Bungie, same story you were. 284 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:32,000 We were looking at 1415 major, major studios back then. 285 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,040 And I don't know, we'll call it the late. 286 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,440 Xbox early 360 days. Which I think about when they 287 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,320 did this and they went, hey, what if we can make it? 288 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,120 Simpler for. Indies to make games that can 289 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:49,920 end up on the Xbox as far as I. Know no one has really. 290 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,800 Done anything like that before? Or. 291 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,280 Since this was a big. Deal that Microsoft did this. 292 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,320 So I I went out of my way. I picked up a couple of books. 293 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,600 I think I've still got XNA books downstairs. 294 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,280 I learned it, then I liked it. It was a lot of. 295 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:05,880 Code like it was straight up code. 296 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,040 That's all it is. It's not. 297 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,520 It's not visual tools. It was a. 298 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:14,360 Framework to interface with the the low level computer stuff. 299 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:19,360 And if you made a game using XNA, it was very simple not just 300 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,120 to put out. I think at that time it was 301 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,520 simple to have APC game also like I don't. 302 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,520 Think it was strictly Xbox support but it would be able to 303 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,160 be ported to be. An Xbox game also, and I had 304 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,760 Michael Hicks on the podcast and we just spoke and I think he 305 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,080 wants to hopefully check in with us again. 306 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:38,360 Sometime soon and I'll certainly. 307 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,600 Take him up on that. But that's how he started. 308 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,280 He wasn't even 18 yet. We talked about. 309 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,960 This because I I met him at a Saint Louis event and he gave a 310 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,560 talk which I sat in on and he was talking about. 311 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,400 Like he had to wait till his 18th birthday. 312 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:57,160 To sign, sign the paperwork. And earn money for his first 313 00:14:57,160 --> 00:14:59,040 Xbox. Game because of the XNA. 314 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,160 Framework. OK, so Microsoft did. 315 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,760 Discontinue that, but they they. Allowed sort of the community 316 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:10,320 around it to carry it on. So it turned it merged with like 317 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,880 Mono. And then they made Monogame 318 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,080 which was a this. This gets real detailed. 319 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,520 And it's more information. Than you need, but the point is 320 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,600 we went. From XNA to sort of a. 321 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,880 In between phase and now. There's there's. 322 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,920 Monogame where there was XNA. Before. 323 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,360 And now Monogame. Is open source. 324 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,280 It is an open source framework that you're just pure coding in 325 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,680 C#. They've got some pipeline tools, 326 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,880 but it's all very, it's relatively low level compared to 327 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,000 if you're doing Unreal, if you're doing Goodot. 328 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,360 So I thought, you know. I've said this before, I I love 329 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,280 to code. I love to know what's going on 330 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:48,600 under the hood. I hate. 331 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:52,040 Wasting time on proprietary crap that bothers. 332 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,040 Me about unity and unfortunately. 333 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,720 Because I'm a coder and because I'm a tinkerer like this. 334 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:59,640 It bothers me about Godot also. I love that. 335 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,200 Godot is open source. I love that there is a. 336 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,720 Community that believes in people. 337 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:07,360 Getting together, making it better. 338 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,600 I would strongly encourage people who don't want to just 339 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,840 straight up code, which is almost everybody if you're. 340 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,440 Just looking for a good way to make a game and you're not 341 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,200 going. To drive everyone around you. 342 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:19,840 Nuts go. Over to Godot. 343 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,840 Check it. Out it's it, I think. 344 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:25,400 It's really easy to get started. You could see in several 345 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,680 episodes the progress we made in a very short time with 346 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,120 Sebastian's project. That we wanted to do I do I 347 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:33,400 still want to finish that I don't. 348 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,040 I don't want to leave. Leave that behind forever. 349 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,640 But unfortunately for me personally, I don't think 350 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,880 Godot's going to be the right fit in the long term because. 351 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,240 Even that it's it's low profile, it's not. 352 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,920 Bloated or anything but it's. A lot of stuff I'm not going to 353 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,120 use, a lot of stuff I don't need, and for me, I am holding 354 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:52,120 myself to this. Standard. 355 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,080 Also, if I'm that picky, I need to. 356 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,520 Just code from the ground up. And I've I've. 357 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,440 Been working on it for what this whole? 358 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,200 Time, I hate to admit. It I had started another Unity 359 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,040 project right before. I think it was like. 360 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,480 Three or four days before. They announced this whole 361 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,200 runtime fee. Overhaul thing and I even 362 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,480 tweeted. At that time, I'm. 363 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,160 Like 4 fucking days that lasted. And, and here we are. 364 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:16,520 And I said I'm done. I'm done with it. 365 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,200 I'm out and I am. I'm not. 366 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:23,280 I'm not going back. So since that time I've been 367 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,079 learning Monogame and I've been doing it in VS Code. 368 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,680 I was an Atom. Programmer for a long time I 369 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,720 really liked Atom. Atom. 370 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,720 If you're not familiar. And that was, like they said, 371 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,560 sunset. They killed it. 372 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,480 They killed Adam at the end of last. 373 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:44,240 Year and so everybody who's. Anybody says that now VS Code 374 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:46,080 has? Sort of usurped the throne, 375 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,680 fine. So I got in VS. 376 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,920 Code I learned how to start. Monogame projects and I've just. 377 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,040 Started a couple of very simple things to tinker with. 378 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,920 I've also written on the site about this kind of nice system 379 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:58,640 that. I've sort of created for myself 380 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,800 where I start this To Do List that follows a certain format we 381 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,120 can talk. About that sometime if. 382 00:18:04,120 --> 00:18:07,120 People are interested but it's on code right play.com. 383 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:11,920 Now, so basically I set out a lot of small tasks for myself 384 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,680 and each. One, it's almost like. 385 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,720 Sitting down and playing. A puzzle game for me at this. 386 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,840 Point in my life like I'm like, OK. 387 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,480 I want to create. A status message on a. 388 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,120 Screen and that's just that's my little. 389 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:24,800 Challenge for that moment and if I hold myself to. 390 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,120 That workflow it's it's this very Zen. 391 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:32,160 Very like mindfulness exercise for me and I don't stress out 392 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,760 and I don't think like how can I make money on this? 393 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,440 How big can I make this project? Is this going to fall? 394 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,280 Through at the last minute. I can put most of that out of my 395 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,360 mind and I can just go through step by step, small task by 396 00:18:44,360 --> 00:18:47,080 small task and. I have learned. 397 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:49,520 A ton I've gotten very. Comfortable in Monogame? 398 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,880 I'm sure I haven't. Done it all, but I've solved a 399 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,720 lot of things that have come up little. 400 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,920 Challenges for myself and I'm. I'm comfortable, I'm happy with 401 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,880 it, and I think that I'm going to stick with it. 402 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,320 It's still an active development. 403 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,280 You can. Port it anywhere that I would 404 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,000 want to port it to there there have been some very successful. 405 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,200 Recent Monogames. I say monogames. 406 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:13,040 They have a showcase tab with games you'll. 407 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,760 Recognize there's some recent games. 408 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,920 That went to all the cons went to the PC went. 409 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:20,840 Everywhere you want to be. They were done with Monogame. 410 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,720 So clearly it's possible. Clearly. 411 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,960 There's nothing to hold me back. I I put. 412 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,080 Together, an article I already mentioned that the title is a 413 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,360 case for Monogame in 2023. I had several points about that 414 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:35,480 again. Let Guido be Guido. 415 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,200 If if it if Guido is what you want, outstanding. 416 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:42,200 If not, move on. And if it's because you don't 417 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,480 like what what you can or can't? Do in C# come? 418 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,240 This way come my way, come to Monogame and. 419 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,960 Show us what you got. Because Monogame will not I. 420 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,520 Assure you it will not. Stop you because you get almost 421 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,720 nothing with Monogame. That's honestly. 422 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,200 What it is, it's a framework. You will. 423 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:04,760 Get an init function, draw update and God bless. 424 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:10,320 I was like OK do will they give? What's a good example is. 425 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,360 There a function to draw primitive shapes? 426 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,480 Not really. Not really. 427 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,400 If you want to draw a circle, I guess you're going. 428 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,760 To need to code. A function that lets you draw a 429 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,200 circle. OK, great. 430 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,440 Like that's I can. Dig it. 431 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,440 That's I I like that. More than I like well. 432 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,080 It's. It's buried in these this. 433 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,200 Sub menu under this menu under this tab. 434 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:34,360 I don't want to deal with that. I'll just code the damn circle. 435 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:37,800 Function and I'll move on. So in that respect. 436 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,080 I'm I'm very happy. And the thing about that is C#. 437 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,760 Very very popular in throughout the game industry throughout 438 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,880 commercial software that is not. Limited to games. 439 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,640 If you're out there learning C#, you're really. 440 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,560 Doing something for yourself. So I think that's a big benefit 441 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,960 and. Furthermore, if you're 442 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,600 developing in C, you can jump over to net which. 443 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,320 By the way, when did net? Go open source. 444 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,000 You can do open source net development now. 445 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,160 Am I? Am I the last to know? 446 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,320 I I guess probably this wasn't. Recent. 447 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,200 This was in years. Past they had an. 448 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,040 Open source fork for a while. And then I know about Visual 449 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,200 Studio Community Edition, but like now you. 450 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,520 Can just straight up do open source.net development anyway I 451 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:23,720 bring that up. Because. 452 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,440 If you're already doing C when you get a project. 453 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,520 That is going to go like big scale. 454 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,520 Okay, this project is going to be a. 455 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,440 Big thing, I need a. Level designer. 456 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,320 I need an animation editor you can make. 457 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,520 Those things for yourself. Using C and using the NET 458 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,000 Framework. You can just go over and again, 459 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,880 Michael Hicks has some videos about himself. 460 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,080 Doing that for his games which. He's a guy who is putting out 461 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,800 console. Games on a fairly regular basis. 462 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,080 He's got another. One come out just now. 463 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,800 So we'll, we'll probably talk to him pretty soon. 464 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,960 But he has a YouTube. Series where he goes look. 465 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,880 I I needed a a. Simple map editor for for this 466 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,000 game I got. Here's how I did it. 467 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,720 Here's how it works. It just writes files, then 468 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,120 Monogame reads them. He uses. 469 00:22:08,120 --> 00:22:10,400 FNA, which is a different fork for a Monogame. 470 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,360 But it's all XNA based, so you can do. 471 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:15,120 That for yourself and. The next thing you know? 472 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:17,000 You're making your own tools. You're. 473 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,480 You're doing your own full. Fledged thing, you've got your. 474 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,680 Own engine at that point, you know, how does anything beat 475 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,120 that I I think if you can say. That you created just what you 476 00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,560 need for your. Game and tools that made the 477 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,480 the. Process easier so you really 478 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,320 achieve something great. Man I that seems a lot better to 479 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:41,880 me than going like I used. Unreal Engine, the 3D super mega 480 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,000 cinematic. Quality engine and made this 481 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,640 small 2D game. I'm sorry. 482 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,200 Is that really doing it? I'm, I'm not bagging on anybody 483 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,360 who does that, but I'm just saying there's something. 484 00:22:52,360 --> 00:22:54,560 For me, there's something a lot more pure about. 485 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,000 About just doing something elegant. 486 00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:59,760 Elegant is an old school. Program or term? 487 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:02,080 We used to. Talk about beautiful code. 488 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,760 Doing elegant things, elegant solutions. 489 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:07,720 It's all about. Avoiding bloat, avoiding waste. 490 00:23:08,120 --> 00:23:09,520 That's. Still very important to me. 491 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,800 That's that's a value that I still carry with me so. 492 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:15,440 For that reason. I'm I'm full Monogame and if 493 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,360 you're going to be one of these guys who's C# this C# that Gudo 494 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:20,600 has to get better. Maybe. 495 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,760 You just need to go. Learn and and. 496 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,280 Not to say that these people, these people would come and and 497 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,400 code circles. Around me I. 498 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,400 Have no doubt I'm. Encouraging you to do it. 499 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,440 I'm not, I'm not saying like you'll fall. 500 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:32,440 On your ass and I'll. Laugh. 501 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,080 I don't think so. I think when when those people 502 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,440 came. Over this way they'd. 503 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,400 Be they would be very happy and we wouldn't. 504 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,440 Have to hear about it anymore. Also the the. 505 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,800 Development environment becomes flexible because you can use 506 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,360 your VS. Code you can use your. 507 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:51,680 Visual Studio look, I I I also don't like the bloat of like 508 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,840 full Visual Studio. I don't. 509 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:55,960 I don't like my editor to go off like a. 510 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,840 Casino that just opened. For the day. 511 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,880 That's that's a stupid. Analogy casinos are always open. 512 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,800 Blinking and making sounds and needs to be updated. 4. 513 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,920 Times and needs to be. Restarted for the extensions to 514 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,640 work. I hate that VS Code is a 515 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,800 slimmed. Down version of that. 516 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,480 And it's bad enough. Like there's. 517 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,480 Enough shit that goes off and pops up in my face. 518 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,280 And wants to reload and doesn't wait for me and just reloads 519 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,680 itself. I really dislike. 520 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,400 That, but I'm not stubborn. Enough to just. 521 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,040 Do it in like, I don't know notepad, but you could you could 522 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,320 do Monogame. It has a. 523 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,920 Command line interface. So you could use. 524 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:39,120 Your your your command window and you could use your. 525 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:42,040 Notepad and you could do Monogame development. 526 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,280 I like that level of flexibility. 527 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,240 VS Code is under my limit of like crotchety old man coder 528 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,640 stuff, but. I'm able to do that and I'm able 529 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,680 to be very happy. So if you like flexibility, 530 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,280 that's. Another strong case for Monogame 531 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,200 platform support. Is fine. 532 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,360 It's fine. That's the other thing, 533 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:04,080 everybody. I I'm. 534 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,920 I was on Twitter too much until like, I don't know. 535 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,440 Three weeks ago when I. Pretty much said like I'm kind 536 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,760 of done with Twitter. Since that time, I've had a 537 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,320 couple of things go. Sort of viral. 538 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,240 I had people. I've been writing. 539 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,520 A lot, like I said. And I've had friends like our 540 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:20,000 buddy. Thomas, who's been on the show 541 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,320 and was the subject of one of my book. 542 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,280 Chapters a couple of years ago he he read something I wrote and 543 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,640 we'll talk about that probably. In a couple of episodes. 544 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,320 But he shared it and it really spread like wildfire. 545 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,320 I still. Had the app on my phone because 546 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,720 I was. Trying to get support from Xbox 547 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:37,720 that's. Going to be the topic. 548 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:42,200 Of another show but I ran. Into an issue with Xbox, wanted 549 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,120 to leave the app on because. Twitter is still. 550 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:47,640 The best way to get. Customer service from anyone. 551 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,080 You're not going to get it on threads. 552 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,200 I like threads, but there's nobody there. 553 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,160 It's very. Quiet. 554 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,600 You're not going to. It's not the same interface 555 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,080 with. Companies and stuff like that. 556 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,440 Twitter still kind of has that on lockdown. 557 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,720 Not calling it XI will die. 1st but I got this notification. 558 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,720 Thomas shared your thing. Hey, everyone's sharing, 559 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,160 Thomas's sharing of your thing and. 560 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,480 The point is when all of this Unity stuff hit the fan. 561 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,640 It was really stressful. It was kind of annoying to watch 562 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,120 all these people go I. Would try. 563 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,200 I don't know they would. They would mention different 564 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,520 things. I would try love. 2D but I don't 565 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,280 know like the. The big one was Gadot. 566 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:30,240 I would try Gadot, but it's not clear that I'll be able to. 567 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,680 Port to consoles and my question is what? 568 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,400 Exactly. Are you porting the? 569 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,960 Consoles. I'm not trying. 570 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,560 To be a Dick. But I. 571 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,040 Never hear anything from. Some folks. 572 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,480 It's it's this like it's this crutch. 573 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,280 It's this thing, this excuse you use not to jump in. 574 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,800 Well, I don't want to do that. How would I get it on the 575 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,440 Switch? Who do you know at Nintendo? 576 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,880 My good man, my good woman. What is this? 577 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,120 What is this? Burning project You're trying to 578 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,440 port to consoles immediately, first of all. 579 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:02,840 Look, I I've not shipped to consoles. 580 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,760 I'll be the first to. Tell you, that's another story I 581 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,040 was contacted by a publisher who ghosted me about. 582 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,280 A a console porting project. Very weird. 583 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,800 We'll get into it. Later there I've. 584 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,880 Got so much to talk to you guys about. 585 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,520 You can you tell we're on 30 minutes now. 586 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:21,040 These this small segment of the community is like, look, I I'm 587 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,680 not doing anything if I can't immediately like hit a button 588 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,360 and ship to switch. Almost any major modern engine 589 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:32,640 or or framework really at this point. 590 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,080 Has examples of someone. Who created a kick ass? 591 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,080 Project and when the. Support was in. 592 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,040 Place they got it on consoles fine. 593 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,160 What are you worried about? Like what are you so worried 594 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:44,800 about? I don't. 595 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,760 Understand that, and maybe that's wishful thinking and 596 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,440 maybe 1. Day when I really get something 597 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,800 out there that gets some. Momentum Nintendo will come a 598 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,600 calling. And I'll be screwed because 599 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:58,840 there will be just. No. 600 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,920 Way to get it from where it is? To the switch. 601 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,880 I've not heard of that. Once. 602 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,280 It. Really seems to me like anytime 603 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,480 so look there are examples. What was that game? 604 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,640 Cross code or something like? That there was a game that was 605 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:17,280 done in like HTML, not HTML but like web language is using. 606 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,000 One of the JavaScript engines. And they got that to. 607 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,920 Work and it runs great. On the Switch and on Xbox and 608 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,240 they didn't. I don't think they change that 609 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,840 much. You might have to work with a 610 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,160 publisher. And like, that's the other part 611 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,120 of it, they go. Like, well, I'm not paying a 612 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:34,960 publisher first of all, IA lot of those deals. 613 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,000 I don't think that's how it works anyway. 614 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,080 I think that a lot of those. Publisher deals, They'd take a 615 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,360 cut, which. And, and I've had somebody admit 616 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,440 to me like, yes, that would be the deal. 617 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,640 They would take a cut and I don't want to give it to them. 618 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,800 Well, aren't you going to make more money if you pick up a 619 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,480 player base on the Switch? That you didn't have. 620 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,120 Before, isn't that worth it? Are we just being cheap or is 621 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,880 there something I'm not? Getting I'm not sure. 622 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,200 It seems to me that if you do basically any again any. 623 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,160 Major engine? Any major framework? 624 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,920 And when they want you on the Switch, if they want you on the 625 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,440 PlayStation. You're going to get there. 626 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,320 It it will be worked out, it'll be resolved. 627 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,160 That goes for anything I can think of, right? 628 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,520 Now I know Monogame. It's true there there are a 629 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,360 bunch of. Monogame projects on all the 630 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,960 consoles. There are a bunch of. 631 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,120 I know there are. Game maker games. 632 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,160 Little little indie projects that went big. 633 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,720 If you're using Buildbox, I don't, I don't know how to talk 634 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,120 to you, so don't. We're going to skip that, but 635 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,480 the point is. I'm pretty sure there have been 636 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,240 some. Love 2D games I I shipped a love 637 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,640 2D game to iOS and Android. There it wouldn't. 638 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,440 That really worked on console and I didn't try but I think 639 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,680 other. Studios have done so I don't 640 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,520 think we should use that as an excuse. 641 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,080 That's that's the whole thing. So Monogame is right up. 642 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,160 There the platform support looks. 643 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,000 Good, the whole thing with. Open source engines and 644 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,200 frameworks they go look, we can't talk about support for 645 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,720 Xbox support for. PlayStation, that stuff's under 646 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,400 NDA. Just like us small Indies, these 647 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,920 small organizations don't want to get sued. 648 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,760 Can we not understand? That I can appreciate that. 649 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,120 So Monogame much like. Gadot keeps that under wraps. 650 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,560 But the evidence? Is there right because there are 651 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,600 very popular. Games that you can play on the 652 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,880 consoles. That were Monogame projects 653 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,320 okay. So that's. 654 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,240 Not really a valid criticism. And. 655 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,640 There. Is at least one very cool full. 656 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,760 3D Monogame project that is in their showcase. 657 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,640 It's like old fashioned. Hockey or something like that. 658 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,360 It's a hockey game and if you look at the videos on Steam. 659 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:41,720 It's pretty cool. Like it they? 660 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,080 Did a good job and so monogame what they say. 661 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,960 Is when you like search for like does Monogame support 3D? 662 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,600 The the community answer is like Monogame supports whatever you 663 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,680 want to take. The time to do and again, it's 664 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,160 that kind of thing. It's just a wide open field if 665 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,960 you want to do it. Look, of course. 666 00:30:58,080 --> 00:30:59,600 Of course. Somewhere where? 667 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,480 Unity Excels, and even Guido. 3D stuff. 668 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,600 There's a visual editor that's that's good, that's a good. 669 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,040 Thing you don't want to have to go back to the John Carmack 670 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,720 days. And figure it all out in your 671 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,160 brain. I don't have a John. 672 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,000 Carmack brain, There's no doubt about that. 673 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,480 I can. I'm barely. 674 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,520 I just messed up when I was going to say. 675 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,000 Stringing words together. I'm barely stringing words 676 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,200 together. I couldn't get through that 677 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,360 sentence. I don't have a John Carmack 678 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,720 brain, and that's fine. So yes, 3D. 679 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,560 Editors have a step up and I would not fault anyone who was 680 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,600 going like, I want to make like a small scale like Grand Theft 681 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,360 Auto style. City where you run around? 682 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,800 OK, you look, you could figure it out in Monogame. 683 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,640 You probably don't want to. I get that. 684 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,840 But As for me? I'm doing. 685 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,760 Very small, very indie. Style stuff. 686 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,880 In fact, right now I'm doing. A couple of projects. 687 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,720 That my kid wants to do like my 8 year old son. 688 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,800 Came up with his first idea for a game. 689 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,400 And you know what? That's a. 690 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,360 Little younger than the first. Time I came up with an idea. 691 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,360 For a video game. And went, what do I do now? 692 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,440 Well, boy I. I'm trying to think back. 693 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,520 And imagine if my dad had been like. 694 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:09,960 Well, here's what we. Need to do like. 695 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,000 Are you? Kidding me. 696 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,040 So if I can, I want to make. That dream come true for my son. 697 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,480 Now, I know the way these things go, I will. 698 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,000 We'll, we'll get we'll. Figure that out. 699 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,560 We'll make a game together, we'll have a lovely time and 700 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,960 he'll end up being a. A surgeon or something that's. 701 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,320 That's fine if he wants to do it now. 702 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,840 Nothing would make me happier so. 703 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,200 That. Those are just some thoughts on 704 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,960 Monogame, wanted to let you guys know. 705 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,400 The direction I'm leaning right now, what I'm working on, what 706 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,280 I'm learning. Because I do want to get into 707 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:47,160 like, serious development again. I want to make content that's if 708 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,160 not technical, then at least helpful. 709 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,440 Because I know, I know people listen to this. 710 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,360 Show for different reasons I'm. Going to talk about new stuff, 711 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:55,880 there's going to be stuff on my mind. 712 00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,640 I also want to like be able to talk about design topics and. 713 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,800 I'll probably never sit here. And go through like give like 714 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,040 technical documentation style like. 715 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,000 Here's here's what the signature should look like on. 716 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,200 This method. That draws whatever each frame. 717 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,040 It's not, it's not going to be that kind of thing, but I want 718 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:16,960 to be able. To speak from a. 719 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,120 Position of like I'm out here doing it and that's that was. 720 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,240 Another big criticism of unity. It's a company that's not. 721 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,240 Out there doing it. They don't. 722 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,400 They're not making games like Epic is. 723 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:28,200 They're not. They're not. 724 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,840 Making. They're not making. 725 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,720 Tools that have to have to work. They don't. 726 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,800 Fail if their tools fail, and that's true. 727 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,920 So when it comes to. Stuff I'm creating, stuff I'm 728 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,320 presenting. Like I don't. 729 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,080 I don't want to be out here. Talking about how to get it done 730 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,840 and not be getting it done. I've done it in the past I I 731 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,160 have. A track record, but. 732 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,200 I also don't want to hang that up and be the guy who just talks 733 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,400 about it. I want to make games till I die. 734 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,320 I I want to make cool. Like creative graphical stuff. 735 00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,360 Educational. Stuff. 736 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,600 I do it because I love it. I damn sure don't do it. 737 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,960 Because it's one, made me money or two. 738 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,280 Got me an industry job. That those things have. 739 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,639 Never been true, but I sure have fun and I sure get to meet. 740 00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:14,679 Fun people and do fun things. That's enough for me. 741 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,800 You can tell when was the last episode? 742 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,600 When did the last episode come out and I? 743 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,000 Again, I went for sure. I'm like, I think I'm done. 744 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,719 I think that's it for the podcast. 745 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,159 Here I am. I can't stay. 746 00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:27,199 I can't stop. I cannot stop. 747 00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:28,760 I don't know if. It's like one of those bad 748 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:29,880 relationships. Like I just I. 749 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,520 Can't get away from it. To me it feels like the opposite 750 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:33,400 it. Feels like we're all meant. 751 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,280 To be, doesn't it? It feels good to me. 752 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,040 That's it. Look if you if you. 753 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,679 If you enjoy game def breakdown. Keep it subscribed if you. 754 00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:43,320 Happen to I understand I'll. Have to like try to win some 755 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,800 people. Back who just went like, oh, I 756 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,960 guess the podcast is dead. Come on. 757 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,360 Back hit subscribe. I promise I will keep things 758 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,880 coming that direction. As often as I can. 759 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,000 Again, things are are. Taken off with the dog. 760 00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:59,440 My son came in here once during production, but that's that's 761 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,480 pretty good for for an episode since he's been around only one 762 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,720 interruption. Very good. 763 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,320 Very happy with that and. Hoping I can get this edited 764 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:10,640 and. Out the door. 765 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:11,440 It's Thursday. Night. 766 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,880 Let's see how it No, it's Friday night. 767 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,640 Jesus, I did this on a Friday night. 768 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:15,800 Well. That's a dad's life. 769 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,640 So check. Out code right play dot. 770 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,240 Com if you want to follow along the stuff I'm. 771 00:35:21,240 --> 00:35:24,640 Writing during the week. There'll be show notes and stuff 772 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,120 like that. This will not be a video 773 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,240 episode. We might go back to video 774 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:29,280 episodes. I don't. 775 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,080 Really know how important it is to anybody. 776 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:36,120 That they see my face and my wild gesticulating hand gestures 777 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,600 that that doesn't seem that valuable. 778 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,120 So and it's. Easier if I can just blurt this 779 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,720 into the microphone edit. And ship it so. 780 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,040 Again code right play dot. Com catch me on social media. 781 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,880 I'm I don't want to keep, I I don't want to keep like going 782 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:52,960 back. And forth on Twitter. 783 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,280 I will put the stuff on. Twitter because it's. 784 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,000 Next to Facebook, it's It's the highest form of. 785 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,560 Traffic that I get. Mecca, Toddzilla 1D and two LS 786 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,880 on Twitter. Also on threads, I'm on threads. 787 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,320 If you're on threads, find me on threads. 788 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,800 That's that's great. Game Dev pod is the. 789 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,360 Podcast, Twitter and Code Right Play, of course. 790 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,200 Is the website so? Thanks. 791 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,200 Everybody, thank you for for. Listening again, thank you for. 792 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,400 Listening in the 1st place. Thanks everybody for the nice 793 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,520 reviews, all the support. Somebody just joined the 794 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,600 discord. Today, imagine joining. 795 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,360 This discord today after like. All this silence and I know that 796 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,360 people are doing it because they go like this, they see this and 797 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,280 they go like this is this is a hard thing. 798 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,680 This is hard to to get feedback and feel like. 799 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,400 It is. It's a, it's a a quiet thing. 800 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,320 I put this out. There and it's. 801 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,480 Because of you guys that I feel something coming back 802 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,480 podcasting. Otherwise would be a very. 803 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,560 Lonely activity, but you guys keep it fun you guys make. 804 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,320 Sure, I feel the love. That's that's been awesome. 805 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,400 Thank you so much so. That's it for now, another one 806 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,320 very soon. And I will talk to y'all later.