You're darn looking that we got Danny Hessel on the deep cut.
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Welcome to the 3D. Video.
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for another podcast with your host Rotten Roger DeMarco.
And today I'm doing something a little bit different.
I have reached out to one of the coolest mother effers on the
planet. I have contacted a dream master,
an American badass, and an all around rad dude.
I know you thought I was going to say one Major League hunk he
he may be, but you know I'm here with the one and only Danny
Hassell. Yeah, that's right.
That's Dustin, a bro. Yeah, man, thank you for that
intro and all those nicknames. Not that I'm that into myself,
but I they're earned. He's just really a nickname they
get, you know what I mean? I was in the military, bro.
And then of course, everyone calls everyone Hollywood.
That's like a popular, right, You know, because there were
there were actually in the military, there are more dudes
that were pretty boy than me. They got they got the Hollywood
nickname, right? Yeah, maybe even because they
wanted to call me Hollywood because of my background.
But then there were other pretty boys that were like, Hey, Holly
that So they they got the Hollywood name.
But one time I don't want to get into the mission, but I did some
really cool stuff and this old country general was like that
dude was shit hot, shit hot. He's so shit hot.
And this one guy goes, yeah, that's hot, shit hassle.
And boom dude, for the rest of my career I was hot shit hassle.
That's what's up, dude. Yeah, So for the folks out there
that don't know Mr. Danny Hassle not only can whoop Freddy
Krueger's ass on occasion, but has done many of many of things
and like I said, an American, American badass, you know.
Oh. Yeah, brother, I, I mean, well,
I'm not going to eat. Politics will follow you.
Who cares? But yeah, I joined the military.
So that's I'm one of those weirdos and yeah, and I, I not
only did I join the military, I joined the Army Rangers during
the IT was 2002 to 2010. So I went overseas 3 times to
each Afghanistan and Iraq and, you know, there and we listened.
Like when you say when you're attached to Task Force of the
Rangers, the longest you're going to do is probably four
months. I actually did six months one
times. And so it's not, you know, a
year each time. However, it's all direct action.
Like I was not going to bragging or talking about it, but I had
this, my friend was asking like, actually, how many missions did
you actually go on? And we sat down and figured it
out and it was, it got over like 400.
It was, it was like 400. Yeah, dude, you know, and these
are like this isn't it? It was pretty intense brother.
I just, I always I don't have. Like I said, I zigged when I was
supposed to and zagged when I supposed to.
I was gonna say man, and you made it back, which is.
That's all above, yeah. That's why I'm enjoying being an
artist, you know, because that part, I know that it's just
complete different spectrums, you know what I'm saying?
And what a journey, that's a trip, you know what I mean?
So. Hey man, you know, we only live
once and I'm a I'm a firm believer in that It's like any
weird thing that you want to accomplish, do it.
Go for. It no, you know what, right,
Everyone thinks I was like some I'm not like a flag waving
patriot and all that stuff. I I was just my family's poor
dude. Having to being in the military
is actually a good gig for people.
You know, if you're point where I go get it's a job, you know,
but of course I went for the crazy shit and became a Ranger
and then got attached to seal teams and Delta Force and all
that crap. But but what was my point out?
It was, it was, it wasn't more, it was what you said.
It was like, if I don't do it now, I'll never do it and I'll
never be able to say it. I'm one of those kind of people.
It's like method acting. It's like, no, dude, I want to
know what it's like. Then I can portray it pretty
good. You know, so I was, I was 35
years old when I joined the military, which is the absolute
oldest you can be. Cut off, yeah.
Yeah, and at that time, you know, and then So what was my
.0? Yeah.
So it wasn't more or less the patriotism.
It was more or less let's do this before.
You can never do it. And then you're going to be a
shoulda coulda woulda guy. Oh, I could have said no.
And I don't, not that I but I'm, I'm the opposite.
I'm like, I, I jump, jump in both feet.
Just go for it, dude. And then we'll figure it out on
the way down. That that's the best way to live
life, dude, you know, so which which brings me like, I know
you, you've, you know, you've got this stuff committed to
memory because you've, you've told these stories numerous
times. But for our listeners, I, I, I
want to ask you, you know, how did acting even come up?
Like, you know, like you said, no, it's pretty.
OK, yeah, I'll tell it's not it's a because you know what
everybody's story is different and obviously now to make
because when I I people want advice on how to get into the
industry and I'm like, dude, if I knew that I would you know
what I mean, right? You're I don't have a different
house you. Know I don't.
Know so but so in all seriousness so I did a little
bit of theatre in Northern California but I was a jock I
was a jock I was like a pretty I was a jock you know I mean not a
weird 1 though I wasn't a Dick I had like multiple crazy ass
friends I had friends from. All this the standard
stereotypical 80s movie jock like you weren't.
A yeah, yeah, I wasn't a Dick at all.
Like that's why the movie was cool.
Like I was like even in Nightmare on Elm Street, 4I
friends with Andros Jones, the character at Andros place and
he's like hipster or whatever, you know, I mean, jocks and him
back in in the 80s real, I wouldn't probably be friends,
you know, we had clips in the 80s.
It was really stupid. But but because I I just wasn't
I, you know, I mean, dude, I grew up in a trailer.
I didn't have this any kind of air about me.
I had friends that were my friends, you know, and they
could be like punk rockers, jocks, Cowboys, who the fuck
knows? You know what I mean?
They are from everywhere, you know.
Yeah. And so.
Yeah. So that's just the way I I kind
of lived. And so I knew a couple guys that
were musicians. I knew some families that were
into the arts, but mostly I was a jock.
And then but I tried acting. Was that in high school you did
like you did? Yeah, I tried.
I kind of dabbled and was like, whoa, these guys are pretty
good. I'm like, I'm in the wrong
building, you know what I mean? So then listen.
So then now I'm getting ready to go to college and I, I back
then, if you didn't have the SAT scores and all that, you weren't
going to the PAC 10. But it was bad PAC 12, whatever.
I was a good football player. So I got channelled into a
junior college system, which is also very competitive for
sports, right? So I, I go, I play one season at
this college called Shasta College.
But I was still again interested.
Like my elective was like acting, you know, I took an
acting class and I checked it out.
And so then that summer of my 19 year old year, I had met some
other people who were in the sports world.
But the sports world also has agents that also get you into
like, you know, commercials or, you know, endorsements and
things like that or acting. Some of the guys actually just
have actors, some of them athletes that are actors that I
met this one guy and he's like, are you interested in?
Because I think you could do commercials, blah, blah.
And he's like, no, if you come to Los Angeles and he's like,
no, he was like, you know, he was a real manager, right?
Yeah, but he was involved with this, this company called Santa
Rosa Repertory Theatre. OK.
And that's like these kids have been doing theatre and then they
they date their summer as they go do Rep, they do a theatre in
Santa Rosa, Right. This is Santa Rosa, CA.
I think it's at the junior college there.
OK, bro. So I go, oh, I'm going to try
out. I go there bro.
These. Kids could tap dance, you know
what I mean? Fucking.
I'm all yeah. They only have like 3
monologues. Also I can do when dudes like
pirouetting. I'm just like yeah this is real
acting bro. Like, so I just got not even any
love except for I'm leaving. And this one person was like,
hey, call the guy in LA. He goes, yeah, this is a little
above you, but you you could probably do that instead of
that. Long story short, I end up going
to Los Angeles, call the guy, started doing commercials and
then went to acting schools. And then and then because it's
still, I'm still playing football and I actually turned
down going to SC because people don't know USC.
This is when USC was really good.
It was before the Pete Carroll era, but it was right.
There still is a great, you know, it was a college
scholarship, but when even when you're on scholarship, they
don't feed you until school starts and all you know, so
you're starving, man. Like, you know, for a person
that they have. I was straight up working in
supermarkets and like waiting for school to start.
And then I, I got a national commercial that got me into an
apartment. You know, I still didn't have a
car in LA because LA you got to have a car.
And yeah. So then I, you know, that's I
just at that point then yes, I, I took it kind of not serious
per SE, but it was, it's like a trade, you know, like, oh, this
is a job you. So I met with like acting
coaches and people like that and I started taking acting stuff,
you know, like I was learning about it more because it's I
didn't know Jack shit, dude. I didn't know the stage left.
I didn't know the window. Blocking and all that hoopla.
Yeah, all those right, the lingo, I was a trust me, it was
pretty embarrassing. Not embarrassing, just like, oh
shit, these guys have been doing this for a while, you know?
So that helped with that. So you just I learned.
The lingo. You moved.
You just moved straight out to LA.
You were like, fuck it did. Caution to the wind, the 100.
Bucks 1500 bucks in a piece of shit car and then the car broke
down. I still got a pad spent all my
money on the pad and then the homie that was supposed to come
bailed and he only he moved to the Bay Area and now I I ended
up spending all I ended up getting evicted 6 months into it
because I had an hour got off. I remember I was living.
I was like camping in my apartment.
Dude, I mean, you know, that's part of the grind.
That's the hustle. You know, a lot of people don't
understand going out there and and chasing that like you're not
the first one to have that idea. You know what I mean?
Like they're. They're so it's it's like a.
Shark Tank out there? The thing is, it, it was it, it,
well, that and yeah, and it's, it's really hard for even
musicians. That's what I don't like about.
Well, that's just the way it is, dude.
The best dudes are usually the broke guys.
They barely have a place to rehearse, you know what I mean?
Dudes are sleeping on each other's couch just to keep the
band together or, you know, all that.
Even with acting, you know, oh, you got to come in here and do
your best and you're like, bro, I got to worry about getting
paid, you know, my rent. LA is like becoming the most
expensive city in the States, you know?
So it's like, and then now, but the good part about it was
because of how even what we're doing right now, you don't
necessarily have to live here anymore.
Actually, you don't. Yeah, you really don't.
And that's huge because that way you can at least not go broke,
kind of do what you want to do. Right.
Yeah, you can create in your own space and you don't have to go.
Yeah, honestly, that's in all seriousness, because I, I still
play music. I I've done bands, I had a band
and I still like, I still like to play music, you know, not
just like, I still like to do it.
So yeah. And what I love about like, even
where you're at in Iowa and like people that are away from
cities, they just stick to their own crap and go play in their
backroom where they got a studio where they can make noise and
shoot guns and drink beer or whatever the fuck, you know,
like, no one's going to say shut up.
You know what, I'm just sitting. You got to have like lockout
rooms or whatever, dude, everything.
And then just trying to film in Los Angeles because they're
going to hear such a dipshit or like permit fucking this that
it's just like, dude, it's a waste of money.
Man, yeah. Where?
Where we live in the small town that we live, three years ago, I
shot and directed like my first feature here.
And it's such a small town that we went to the City Council and
we're like, oh, can we block off these streets on these days?
Can we shoot by this business? And they were like so thrilled.
They were like. They were like thumbs up.
That's what I exactly. That's why I love a great story.
No, I work in Northern California and bro, when your
son was doing the cab my the guy that I fuck with or work with.
Sorry, he you're good. He bro, it's him and his kid and
like one other dude, you know, like, no, they frills.
He's a great director. He's a he's a very opinionated.
We can get into it. But like as far as efficiency
and making movies, it's it's rag, you know what I mean?
And like everybody probably, you know, because making movies is
hard getting just distribute, actually finishing the project,
you know, and having a movie that's hard.
And that's what I can't really say that I dig acting so much.
You know, it's not like I go, Hey, you guys want to go to the
park and do some acting? Yeah.
I'm like, I don't think that's me, you know?
Otherwise I'd probably be in like some theater.
I love acting in movies, but what I really like is making
movies. Yeah, You know what I mean?
Yeah. You know, I like I like being
the actor part, but like, because I can fit it is on.
I don't care if it's the big part, the small part, whatever,
you know what I mean, As long, you know, that part's fun.
As long as I'm, you know, can handle the role.
But the whole process of making movies is pretty fun.
That's pretty fun. That's actually nerd shit.
Like I like the special effects, the whole thing, you know what I
mean? So like that part.
That's why I still, like I said, I'm I this director, I work with
the Northern California named Renee Perez.
I still if he called me tomorrow, I'd be like, let's do
it regardless of his crazy political views.
Right. Whatever the budget, whatever.
I've never. I don't know Oliver Stone or
like, what's the other Stanley Kubrick?
Those guys before, I'm pretty sure they rub people the wrong
way once in a while. You know what?
I. Mean so, yeah, you know.
Somewhere, some directors are just.
If you don't, it's their way or the highway.
Right. Yeah, I yeah, it needs to be
like this or you're fire. But but I think, you know,
that's that's the best part is the the collective of being
creative. You know, like you said all the
time, you're you're hanging out and you might not be on the
effects team, but you can hang out and talk to Kevin Yeager.
You know, you can talk to screaming Matt George or
whoever's doing the whatever like or Joe blow that's got the
squibs or whatever. And and.
What that was that job that those two jobs that I got back
then, I didn't know I was getting a black belt and special
effects, you know what I mean? Because I was with the top of
the line dudes and like, but it was I got to do just because,
not because of me, but my character.
I got to do so many prosthetic pieces, arms, legs, face,
multiple face ones. Not just like, well, there's the
wires in my face. That's like the famous picture
you see all over. But there's also the next
version of that where it's a whole skull cap over.
Yeah. And what's funny is a lot of
that you'll see in the movie or whatnot, but a lot of you see
out there and about like photographs or actually were
back then because they, they, they actually took it off of me
slowly and put it on the stunt drive.
Oh, nice. He was like, I could ride a
motorcycle really good but not nearly like this dude.
Yeah, like. You and also there's like a
liability like going on the freeway with an actor.
They're like, no. They say if you even if you dump
it and like break your ankle and then they're like, well shit,
now we can't shoot. With Danny for.
So there was only so many things, but then honestly, but
it was so rad brother. Because when like they would
switch back and forth between the dude and me.
And then when they filmed it, we were on the sound stage.
It was all black. So it had like Infinity behind
it. You couldn't tell.
And then they would fill it with smoke and, you know, stop going
by like I was riding on and then I was up on a big platform on a
motorcycle that was moving in with wind.
So it was, it looked, it pulled it off, you know, it looked like
I was riding the bike. Yeah, it looks like phenomenal.
No, you know what's funny is like I was saw now because we
have drones and even like the camera like the last movie I
just did, you can you know, you can use a drone and A and a
camera and that back in the day that would have cost like
thousands and millions like a Ruby.
All this to move this camera and then actually all this stuff to
have all this dynamic stuff happening.
Now it's like 2 dudes with the camera and with my day there's
like the thing called the shop maker, this really intense car
truck where the camera was all on this car and dudes are
hanging off cliffs to get the picture and now you're like,
what the fuck do you do that for?
We got a drone dude. Yeah, go to Walmart.
It was like, no, there's like a guy hanging off a helicopter to
get the shot. Don't do that anymore.
Yeah, now you can go to Walmart for 300 bucks and get a drone
and be like if that falls. And your son could run it.
Yeah, yeah. Instead of like $8 million on
this contraption that hangs over the Cliff, you're like, yeah, I
don't do that anymore, but yeah, that that's pretty cool because,
you know, back then it was pretty like with the practical
effects for Nightmare four and five.
There was a lot of, like, a lot of crew, dude, like people just,
you know, some guys working, like you said, like something
that moves either an animatronic or like blowing smoke or like,
you know, just off 3 and with some wind, Yeah.
Throwing bags of leaves or whatever you know.
Honestly. Yeah.
So when you started and you and you did the the theater group
and then like, what was your first gig?
It was a commercial for for they used to I don't now they don't
have them, but they like U-Haul. But they used to have this
company called Ryder. It was these big yellow.
Trucks. And they they were like moving.
You rented them. They were just moving vans.
And yeah, I had a shot where like me and this other really
hot girl or like she was like, we're like moving with our
family, you know, And it was just like, that was, and it was
like, I auditioned. This is how funny my on the
audition. They're like, oh, I didn't even
have any lines. I like pick up a moving box,
look at the camera, kind of like go to the truck, put it in
right, That's all right. That was it, that was it, right.
And so when they rehearsed it like I, I didn't know how to, I
was like, and I went the wrong with like I was supposed to go
pick up the box and turn this way.
So I came in the calendar action and I picked up the box and I
went this way. And then like out of frame they
were like, dude, wrong way. And I was so like, oh, oh, and I
ended up getting a gig. And then back then if you got a
national commercial, it was pretty good money.
You know, like not like thousands and thousands, but a
pretty good gig. You know, I don't even know if
it's really like that anymore because television back then
there was still like 4 channels. Cable wasn't like it is now, you
know what I mean? So, so yeah, that was, that was,
yeah, that was a Ryder truck commercial.
And then like my first real like, acting role, there was a
show called The New Gidget with this girl, this really pretty
girl named Sydney Penny. And I can't remember.
She was the main character. And it was like a kid show kind
of this popular, you know, it was like she was the old
character and then her and this other girl.
And then they had like, you know, scenarios or whatever.
And I got a pretty big role on that.
I worked with Frank Stallone, Sylvester Stallone, Brothers on
Yeah. And Ted Lang.
Direct that guy, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
And then, but Ted Lang, you know who Isaac is from The Love Boat.
Yeah, yeah. He was the Bart burner.
He was the director. I was more starstruck with him.
I was like, no way. Fucking dude, Isaac.
So rad man. From The Love Boat, dude.
Yeah, it was pretty. Cool, but so there is one more.
Thing that was like, that was my first acting, like that was on
television. The people don't even remember
the show. What was it called?
The new Gidget? Yeah, it's called the new
Gidget. It was like a television series,
but it was more for like young people.
It's like a Saturday morning show.
Yeah, like a Clarissa explains it all type of deal.
Yeah, it was, she was like, they were like young girls.
She wasn't like a kid, but she was like a it was like more of a
kid show, you know? Yeah.
And but it was, it was popular. It was, it lasted a while.
So I don't know. And then and then after that, I
got on some pretty big like episodic television shows like
Murder, She Wrote. Yeah, I was gonna bring that up,
buddy. Murder, She Wrote in Colombo.
Those are huge. Those, those are huge show.
That's right. No, those were huge shows.
Those were like pro shows. That's like working with the
pros. And then like it literally when
when I did Murder Shoot. Yeah, merging with Angela
Lansbury when we were on set. You do that at Universal Studios
and the tour comes. By Oh Nice.
And you're just like, yeah, sorry, the actor, I'm sitting
down like there, you know, it was pretty, pretty cool, dude.
Pretty cool. That's rad, man.
And then when I did Colombo, I'd tell you a cool story about
Peter Falk, bro. So I did Colombo and I played a
lifeguard and you know, he has a thing where he's like one more
thing, you know, you talk. One more thing.
He's got his eye. He has a good eye and a bad eye,
just to be honest. And I'm not being mean or
anything, but so when you look at him, you have to be like, oh
shit. Oh, there's his, you know,
because he kind of has more an eye, you know?
Yeah, he's got it. It's like it's a trip.
So when you really face to face with him, I was like.
Try not to laugh, you know. And so, yeah, and then he was
like, he's kind of clever and funny, you know, he's like, and
he was the regular Colombo, but not anyhow, so.
But dude, I did. My car broke down, but I took
public trams to. That was at Burbank Studios, and
there's a gate, you know, you can't just walk on the studios.
And it's all like, you know, there's these people and you got
to have like, why are you here? You can't just walk on the
studio. Right.
Yeah, you have to have like. Yeah, exactly.
So like, I didn't get a pass because I didn't have a car and.
Stuff I got off the. Bus walked down the sidewalk
with all and not like regular people, but like people that got
off the bus, most of them weren't going to the studio.
They were going to their regular jobs or whatever.
And I, I go to the studio and they're like, what do you need,
dude? And I'm like, no, I'm working.
And then at the same time, Peter Falk like apparently had saw me
because then when we got on the set that day, he goes, hey, kid,
he called me kid all the time because they were older.
And you know, hey, kid, you know, like, hey, young kid, I
was like 23. He's like, he's like, hey, kid,
he goes, did you? He goes, you took public.
You took the bus here. And I go, oh, yeah, do you like
I didn't say do it in my car? And he goes, go talk to that guy
because they Hollywood guys, even I met, I met Al Pacino
once. The older guys, they kind of
still got this like almost like Italian gangster air.
Like, I'm not like I'm so bad ass, but hey, I got, I can
handle. I got you.
Make a couple phone calls. I got you, I got you kid, you
know some East Coast thing, you know not like for sure bro.
I was like some old school. He was like I got you and I was
like what? And then then the driver came
and said what get can mail your address and all and then sure
not do the Lincoln Town car pick me up for the next like 4 days.
Oh, that's. So bad dude, that's what's up.
You're like, you're like chilling.
Totally, bro. And it wasn't like a limo, but
it was more even more gangster because it was a Lincoln like of
the small ones, you know what I mean?
But it's definitely be someone being driven, you know?
Yeah, Yeah. And it was super good.
He paid for it and you know, obviously, you know.
So yeah, it was pretty. He's nice, man.
That's my Peter Faulk story. Cool dude.
Dude, I, I grew up with Peter Faulk in my living room, you
know, and Angela Lansbury, my, my mom was like, it's so funny
when I was a young kid, you know, my mom loved stuff like
that. And I'd be like in law and
order, you know, and I'm like, like, let's watch anything else.
And now that I'm in my 40s, I'm like fucking Colombo and Murder
She Wrote and Law and Order like I love.
Law and order. Murder Suit Rd. has its own,
like, channel almost right? I don't know if you guys like
it'll play 24 hours 'cause they're, dude, the show was on
and out of quiet. I don't know how many seasons.
So there's a crap ton of episodes.
I mean, dude, yeah, they'll play it like twice a year.
I'll give a $25 check, you know, for sometimes a $10 check, but
it's, I always get one 'cause that show never stops.
And Columbo, they, they still play all over Europe.
I mean, that wasn't on the show long enough to make the real
bunch of money, but but still, that show like those is pretty
cool. Yeah.
Oh, and then yeah, every time. The thing about that show, I
can't remember who was else when I was on Murder She Wrote.
Do you remember Adam, 12? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the big cops
are, yeah. Yeah, I was even kind of before
my time. I can't, you know what I mean.
It was like I I was, but I remember it right.
Kind of the the there was two guys.
There was a brown haired guy and kind of a blonde haired guy.
I don't really remember the names.
I should have been that the other guy.
He was the actor in Emergency Room.
He's on Adam 12, and then the director was this guy, I think
his name is Ivan Dixon. And he was on Hogan's Heroes,
which is before my time, too. Yeah, but everyone that was on
those shows was some kind of ledge, you know what I mean?
Like, it was kind of rad. You're like, what?
That guy. Yeah, they're like they're just
kicking it on on syndicated TV now.
They've done they've. Done their name.
Some of them have passed away, but I'm just saying those shows
because they were like it was all like old school heavy
hitters. It was not young.
It was kind of a that's what I mean.
They were pro shows. Oh, you mean Simon and Simon?
Simon Simon was a cool show, dude.
Like those guys were cool back then.
The two brothers, you know, they were it.
Was like. There was like the deep driving
1 and then the sports car drive one or whatever.
Yeah, like they were kind of opposites.
Whatever Cheryl Mccraney, I think his name was.
They were cool as shit. They were nice guys.
So those were super cool. Those appearances, those were
pre Elm Street. Yeah, those are when you're.
Yeah, you're right on the comma. I have to think about it for a
SEC. Yeah, you're right.
Actually you're right. Yes.
So how does that's when our. How does Elm Street like, land
on your lap? So this is Yeah.
So then out of the blue again, because Elm Street 3 honestly
got got a lot of love out of even 1/2 went right in the
toilet and then one had fans. People liked it, but not like
through the roof, not even on the actually not even on the
radar, to be honest, you know, like no success, but kind of
obviously. And then two went even farther
down. People didn't dig it at all.
And then three, all of a sudden they linked up with like the
rock'n'roll crowd. Like that was it, dude.
And then that's when MTV still played music and whatnot.
So it was a part for pop culture.
People really stuck around and watched MTV because regardless
if you, you're going to see movies, you're going to see
music videos, real video to see the artist.
Like so back then I, it's hard to explain because kids now you,
everything's instantaneous. But back then you could hear
music on the radio. You could go to your record
store, but then the videos would come out and then you got to see
the artist. And then sometimes you're like,
these dudes are wack. Like what the hell?
Because you see him and you're like, Oh no, or I don't know.
But it was that's like if you really like bands, you don't
even care about their videos. You just like, I always want to
see him playing, you know, I don't care about this video
because that's when video started to become a whole
another like thing. Yeah, you know how your band has
to make a video. But the cool thing was you got
to actually see the the dudes, you know, or with a girl or
whoever it was in the band. So that was really interesting
for MTVMTV was huge. It was everybody watching it for
Young people, I guess, you know, And then our, I think my
Nightmare Elm St. tapped into that Nightmare three.
Yeah. And it was all it had.
Like I'm not really into those bands of hair bands three.
Well, yeah, docking and all that, but that a huge following
the hair bands and all that, you know, they were like huge.
So then when Nightmare 4 came along, even if whether they did
it on purpose, like I don't think it was like some guy was
like this mad marketing scheme, they just went with that.
Yeah. And then, because they still
were broke, they paid us the least they could.
Just. All the way around.
Scale only. Don't eat, you know what I mean?
That's why that's why Patrick shark crack doesn't come back.
Plain and simple. No one tells us she cuz they
were going to pay her the same or the we were gay and probably
no points and probably like no points on the end or whatever
you get. You know what I mean?
I certainly don't have points or anything.
And you're not serious. Not to knock New Line Cinema,
but New Line Cinema was. They were barely scraping the
bucket. Yeah, they were still, they were
still like in their infancy, essentially.
Well, it's sort of, you know, like I met Bob Shea and Jack
Shoulder and they made a crap ton of movies together, but none
of them ever went anywhere. So finally, like we got a couple
that did because he did this movie.
Called it, I think. Not yet, I can't remember.
Jack Shoulder has a badass movie with Bob Shea.
It was a science fiction movie with this one dude.
Shit, I can't remember what it's called anyhow, but they made a
bunch of movies before that went nowhere because they were
buddies and their directors. And then finally, and he kept
plugging away, Jack or Bob Shea did making movies, you know, And
then it came to this nightmare thing.
And then he did that and they did 2 and then three started
getting momentum, you know what I mean?
In an underground square. And and it just.
And then how it felt to me is that again, the only reason I
got it because they were so cheap, bro.
They were, it was cattle call. They were paying the.
You know what I mean? They weren't like offering these
roles to anybody, including Patricia Arquette, because they
were so broke. She was like, no.
And she was doing the movies, you know what I mean?
You weren't taken serious doing a horror movie.
Yeah. Yeah.
It almost made you seem desperate.
You're like, you know, so everyone thinks it's like some
mystery and she was like, no, you're going to pay me barely
what I've you know, and you're not going to give him point and
I'm getting offered other real shit.
So she was like no, and then it was like, and no, this is a true
story nightmare. You know, they brought back
Rodney Eastman and Kenny Sagos, those two characters from three.
They not even they were about to recast to those guys.
How do you do that? No, just because of money,
because they were like, you know what I mean?
And and I don't know personally what Kenny and Rodney took for
the show, but I don't think they got a deal right.
Dinner, man, I think they just got the same as we all got
because they that's how new line was doing it.
It was one it was this far from getting sued.
Man. Man, you know and not and it
wasn't them being like me. It was.
They were. They were broke.
Yeah. They were just.
How to do it with the least amount of money they could?
Handing out as many pennies as they could, or or as the least
amount of pennies as they could. You know, you're not getting a
deal. And so Long story short, yeah, I
get an audition and I and it's Nightmare on Elm Street.
And Nightmare 3 was not even on the box office, not even in the
top 100, but it was out there and people liked it.
And because of MTV and docking and thing, you know, this, this
little genre started happening of people that dug that
franchise, right? And then so, yeah, they they
cast all of us like that cattle call.
Lisa Wilcox has the same kind of story.
They threw her thing in the garbage and then went back into
the garbage and pulled her headshot out and was like maybe
we should try some of these chicks because we can't find
anybody, I swear. So you were doing, you were
doing solo auditions. They never, they never tried to.
Have you guys like Audition? Together, here's what happened.
The truth of the story, I'll tell you how.
All right, so I auditioned with a crap ton of people and as I
was leaving Rennie, they came back and said come back and and
Renie Harlan would like to speak to you.
And he was like, you know, I don't want to imitate.
He has an accent. Oh, you do it like that.
But he was he was like, you do it like that every time you you
have the character of Dan and I read it for again and he was
like thumbs up. And then here's the truth.
So yes, they cast the Tuesday night they found her and she was
going to be replacing Patricia Arquette.
And then they, they already had Rodney and Kenny Sagos from
Nightmare 3. And then Andros was cast.
And then when they brought me back on like a two days later
and I read with a couple of different, I guess it would be
Alice, the character of Alice there, Lisa Wilcox.
I just, I don't remember really because you know what I mean.
But there was Lisa Wilcox and then there was like a brunette
girl that wasn't blonde, you know what I mean?
So they didn't look too much alike.
And 1 And so that that was I could tell that, you know, and
they made me read with both of them and they made Tuesday night
also. And then Tuesday night when we
were in the wings one time, we talked to each other and it's
like, well, do we have the role? You're like, you know, we still
were like, they brought us back by three times, but no one said
you're positively it. And so now that we when Tuesday
we have a funny story, we're like, I think we got the role.
They brought us back and we keep reading it and sure enough, we
ended up getting it. But that's how it happened.
They have the poster out before they even cast you guys, you
know what I mean? Like back.
In the day. Oh, you.
Know what dude? I found out a crazy story too.
The reason why? Nightmare.
This is years later and this is like way above my pay grade
stuff. But so movies get made and then
you're an independent filmmaker, you know, and then distribution
is like this whole other gangster area of movies, you
know? Like it's so locked down that
it's like either either going to get distribution or you're not.
Yeah. And if you don't mess with the
big guys your movie ends up getting and you at the art, you
end up getting PED nothing. Yeah, you know, so.
Spend money to put it in festivals and then sell Blu-ray.
So even even back then, yeah, you're better off like rappers
in the A's and like, no, dude, you can sell it.
I'm selling it out of my trunk. I'm doing that with the movie.
I have my I have my movie I just made.
Hell yeah. They.
I can tell you those story, they put it on humble and I'm not
making anything off of it and they change the title, all this
bullshit and but I have the master and I'm like, I'm going
to sell it all. Like you said, also a thumb
drive or a Blu-ray. It's like that's the idea,
right? You know I'll.
Press up my own copies and take them to conventions and then
bam. Honestly dude, that's like, and
I'm totally for that for everybody.
That doesn't bother me a bit. I go good do that.
That's because the other one, if you stream it you're getting
fucked dude. Physical media all day.
So yeah, just to finish that story, that's how it was.
And then they cast us all and then like I said, it was cattle
call for most of us and then we all got it.
And then they still with the Lisa, the the Alice character,
it was Lisa Wilcox. And I can't remember the silly
girls who pretty they're, you know, both of them pretty and
but one was and then they ended up deciding with Lisa and that
took about that was like a two week process of that.
And then we all met and we did table reads.
You know, we sat around and read with each other and met with
Renee Harlan and then and then, not that because I'm in it or
any of that, but nightmare for perfect timing, brother.
We were, we were the only horror film ever in the history of
horror films and the only independent, not just horror,
because horror genre wasn't taken serious at all.
So it was unbelievable that a horror movie horror movie was
number one, that it never happened.
And you know, and #1 for like, honestly, like 8 weeks.
And we were up against like, huge blockbusters, big, the
first Lethal, not Lethal Weapon, but movies like that, you know,
there were Snide, Prockbuster. What's the Bruce Willis movie?
Die Hard, I can't remember. Yeah, Die Hard was out then.
Tom Cruise was huge. He had done like he won the
Oscar that year for Rain Man and people don't remember.
He made this other goofy movie called Cocktail about bartender.
Yeah. Those came out the same fucking
year. The same year he won the Oscar,
dude. This other fucking farting
movie, dude. Yeah, but no.
And that was who we're competing against.
And we were #1 from August. You can look it up.
I can't remember. It never happened before.
And then also what was more interesting, it was an
independent film company. And that had never happened
before, right? And New Line wasn't owned by
wartime Warner Brothers and all that shit.
No, you know, like they are now. But this is when they were an
independent film company. So it put them on the map, dude.
And so it blew up so hard. I found out later that because
night you go with number one, right?
So now the lines around the corner.
It was like having a hit album or something.
It was really fun for like 8 weeks.
It was crazy bro, you didn't even know like I could what was
you going wild? This is 888988.
I can't remember. There was still phone book,
still phone books. I laugh at people like no, they
used to take your fucking phone number and throw it on random
porches all around the city. With the address and everything
on that motherfucker, yeah. So, yeah, I was giving the
craziest prank calls, you know, I mean, some of them funny.
And then some of them, like, were Christian groups like, oh,
that Freddy Krueger. Yeah, I don't even know what the
Satanic Panic was. I guess there was all these
weirdos in the 80s that were from worshipping Satan.
I fucking missed the boat. I think it was just you.
Know it's just you know, cuz bro for the music it was stupid.
It was why No because people were like remember when Def
Leppard or somebody got sued because their kid killed
themselves? Like what the fuck are you
talking about? Don't worry.
So yeah, I it was wild, though. I was getting crank calls and I
had to like, change my number because nightmare blew.
And then some people I'd be in public back then when I would
get recognized, I don't get recognized anymore, but they'd
be like, hey, fucking football player, dude, guys, it was a
fucking wild ride. And still I'm getting gigs.
It it it took like 10 years, 15 maybe.
And then all of a sudden it just it became so popular again with
like younger, like your kids age probably even a little bit more
like, you know, like it's wild. It's it's.
Wild it's it's like he says in the movie, you know, I am
eternal like it. It will how it's going to
outlive all of us, man and. Well, no, you know what?
Not I, not because I'm in it. And I, I, I didn't even realize
and didn't even call them franchises back then.
Really, people didn't know that. But then once it turned into
something, they're like, oh, keep making that money.
This could be a franchise. And that's what happened on Elm
Street. But the Freddy Krueger part of
it, not just the Megar 4, but Freddy Krueger is a boogeyman
and whatnot. Huge bro, bigger than Michael
Jackson, more international than anything I've ever seen.
Any band, any actor, you know, he's like, it's wild, dude.
Like I've seen yummy Freddy Krueger tattoos.
I've seen, you know, he's like an art.
I don't care what country you're in.
Someone has there's a mural of Freddie, you know, it's just
it's pretty neat to be involved. And Robert England himself is 1
cool mofo for being so, you know.
So I got to hang with him a lot and it it for me, I was like,
I'm glad I met someone that's that cool who's that big of a
deal, you know? Picking his brain and.
Super fun to talk to you, man. Like he's open, like, you know,
and he surfs. I still surf.
It's funny when we were younger because he was in Big Wednesday,
this movie with Jan Michael Vincent.
But yeah, Jerem Michael Vincent was like the all women loved him
that this is in the 70s. He's like the fucking God, the
chicks. My mom loved him, you know, so
he was the main character in that movie.
So it's kind of, you know, he's Robert's been around.
He was some rad, rad, cool shit. You know, he's got crazy
stories. He knows everybody.
Yeah. And you know, and then.
But yeah, doing the convention things with him is kind of fun.
Yeah, I was going to segue and and get into that, but I, I got
to tell you because normally I have a Co host and my Co host
and I, we have professed our love for Elm St. 4A lot on on
our episodes. How old are you?
I am 41, I'll be 42. Yeah, you're in the perfect age
group, dude. That's like that just because it
was. Was it one of the first ones you
saw or was it one of the other? Ones Oh yeah, it was one of the
1st and there. You go back.
Yeah, and it's such a fun popcorn movie.
But my Co host told me, you know, because he was supposed to
be here, but we had weather issues and so he wasn't able to
be here. And so he says you got to tell
Dan first and foremost, man, like, I don't want to fellate
you too hard. I don't want to be one of those
guys that's just like, Oh my God.
Oh my God. You know, I don't want to
fangirl out on you. But, you know, growing up, both
of us, because we're best friends and we've been best
friends forever. You always were like a moral
compass for us and and just watching you in the movie.
We were like, you know, you're such a a nice person and then
with now that the world has opened up and like everybody's
more accessible, like Facebook and Instagram and things like
that, we get to see you know who you who you are as a human
being. And my Co host is just like make
sure he knows that like. Well, he's a.
Good, a good dude, you're a good egg and then you know.
No, he knew. I mean like, I'm not trying to.
It's like, I'm not going to sit here and like, what is it?
And my favorite subject is me. But but no, it's called the
Army. All of this selfless.
And then just to go back to even doing movies, like the latest
project was the first time I was the main fucking guy.
And I really was. I did it because I like making
movies, like I said, and I'd never been challenged.
Like I'm in every scene, every freaking thing.
And that's like pretty hard. And I've never done that before,
you know. And it's like, so that was, I
love doing that. I tried it, you know.
But what was, but you said before it was really important.
Like when you're on an ensemble cast and everybody's trying to
do their thing and you got all these weird personalities trying
to make 9 times out of 10, if everybody's doing their best, it
turns out to be some of the most bad ass shit.
And that's what happened with Nightmare 4.
Everyone was good sport, even Nightmare 5, all the actors and
everyone, they're all great and good sports.
If you're going to do a horror film, you got to be you're going
to get roughed up a little. You know, and KY Jelly and all
kinds of you know. Smoke.
Whatever. So, you know, you, like I said,
you got to be a good sport and be an actor.
So everyone like the talent was really doing their best and
trying. No one was like a prima Donna
and weird, you know? Yeah.
So that part ended up with Nightmare 4.
That's when I always tell people I've never been in a really
successful band. But it's like if if I was the
bass player in a successful band, that's what I guess is
what I feel like if people are like.
Oh, I know. Oh fuck yeah, I know you did.
You know, So because we Nightmare 4, not to brag about
it, but Nightmare 3 and Nightmare 4, if you looked at
like a a bar graph of like just box office, Nightmare four and
Nightmare three are like this and everybody else is way down.
Oh yeah, not even Nightmare 5. And I love Nightmare 5 because I
have the best death scene and whatever, but it just tanked.
Yeah, it went right now. And like, not because it's a bad
movie. I think at the time people were
like, that's a nut. Freddy Krueger.
Yeah, a little fatigue because we had the TV show and
everything. Yeah.
It was just non-stop because they were just taking the money
dude. But now that it's years later,
people don't even care that they even some of the corny stuff.
But because now it's it's nostalgia.
Now it's actually so it's kind of even, even the stuff that was
considered cheesy back then, people like, you know.
And and Speaking of that, since you said, you know, it's
nostalgic now there there's been some time we got to talk a
little bit about the convention circuit.
When did that become a thing for you?
You're relatively new to hitting conventions, yeah?
Hurt me much because I didn't know it even existed because I
left Hollywood like I said, went to the military turned into a
complete different animal, different human, you know what I
mean? Different guy got out in about
2017, I think 16 right around well I was out and I had a baby.
I have my daughter and then was approached by an an agent and
then one of my fellow actors. It might have even been Toy
Newkirk, one of my fellow actresses.
She's a friend of mine as well. Yeah, because she actually I
moved into her apartment when I left Washington.
I stayed at I she sublet me her place, but like a week before I
got my other place. And so but she was like, Danny,
you why don't you do conventions and like, what are you talking
about? And she was like, you don't you
haven't heard. And I and she goes, we go to
these things and we sign autographs.
And then by then, yeah, it was already at, there was like 10th
annual there. And then they bring bigger
celebrities than myself. But because I got killed by
Freddy Krueger, it kind of immortalized me in pop culture.
Absolutely, yeah. And then no, and then I mean it
has I'm not, you know, so and then to compare the heavier it
was like you have Jason and then you have Michael Myers and you
have Freddy. The thing about Freddy is his
his are a little more psychological and personal where
the other two will just stab a dude on the way to the dock and
kill some other people. There's some personality, yeah.
And they they cover, they make it more of a slasher.
So you know what I mean? Even though I like those movies,
I'm fan of those movies. I'm not like, you know, but but
Robert England is just, I don't mean to knock Jason and the
other guy or Michael Myers, but he's way more popular, you know
what I mean? And not even because I'm in the
movie, it just, it is it just the more people love him as a
boogeyman. And so, yeah, that part of it,
that's what for me, because I was killed by Freddy Krueger.
I people, I'm in people's memory.
Like yourself even, you know, I mean, that age of people, you
know, 35 to 40 or whatever, they're like, no dude, I know
that whole movie. I grew up watching that 40
fucking times through whatever it is.
So that part's pretty cool. And then Nightmare 4, again, not
because I'm in it, it just was perfect timing.
And like you said, out of all of them, it's very fun.
Yeah, it doesn't. No.
It's a fun movie, and it has this amazing tempo.
Like, it's amazing because I've watched 3-4 and five all
together. And the funniest story is people
were glued to the screen for three, glued to the screen for
four and then 5 right after I died.
And this is at a huge thing in Philadelphia.
Like, what do you call it? Drive in?
Yeah. You know, like there are people
that camp for the weekend. It's really cool.
It's like seasonal. It's like close to New York, but
in Phil in Pennsylvania. Yeah, because it gets so fucking
cold. They don't have it in the
winter. It's super cool, bro.
It's like a movie theater out in the middle of nowhere.
You're driving though, you know. Anyhow, it was really cool.
But so it's outdoors and there's a lot of people, so it's in
outdoor arena. So you can hear, you know,
people, they have the speakers in the cars and everything.
But during three and four everyone was watching the movie.
And then 5 starts out bom bom bom my death and starts out and
then it kind of gets slow and talky and then all of a sudden
because I'm sitting in the back, you know, when the dog watching
everything, you could hear it. Hey guy, I'm going to snack bar.
Me too, dude. I still get a cigarette.
You can hear people like they weren't watching the movie
anymore. It's like all these weird
conversations and shit. Then I go, all people, I get it.
I go, yeah, it's just different pace than three and. 4 so and I
think I think with 52, which my Co host and I've talked about a
little bit like it takes on a pretty hardcore like serious
subject, you know what I'm saying and.
I totally agree. And, you know, it was done on
purpose and I can't tell him which direction to go.
But when I was back then, I was like, no man, you should have
kept going. Yeah, you know, could not to be
because here's my thing. The reason why is they went
there with they were trying to make it a story and yeah, just
keep the story simple. All they really the fans really
care about was Robert and his one liners, whatever funny shit
he would say when he kills somebody.
Some weird, weird way to take him out.
Cool lighting, you know, just. Fun.
Yeah, I know, right? And they were in so whatever
that that's what they did they tried to make it a story and
make it serious like you said, even the way it was lit was dark
and. But I mean, that was the angle
they took just because Freddie was getting very corny at that
was so much Freddie that they wanted to maybe add a little
scary to it again. But it was the cat was out of
the bag. It was too late.
You know, Robert was like long lunch pails.
Yeah, Halloween costumes, pajamas.
Yo Yos. Yeah, I completely agree.
You know what I mean? Pajamas and T-shirts, everything
so and then. And in all seriousness, that was
the part of the fucking ride. Because you weren't.
He did have great one liners. Even my death scene.
He's like, you know, don't dream and drive.
When he rips his arm off, he spits the champagne.
He's all bad year Dan. He said he's got great one
liners. And then when when Robert got
his, I went to the ceremony where Robert got his Walk of
Fame there on on Hollywood, you know, so now I personally know
someone who has a star on the Walk of Fame.
That's pretty fucking heavy. That is rad.
No, it is that heavy. That's heavy to me.
I'm like, wow, that's that's pretty fucking cool.
And, and when we we went, it was the biggest crowd since **NSYNC.
Like he was like a pop star. He was crazy huge, huge.
I just shut the streets down. Usually there's like 5 people.
I don't care if it's like James Brolin or huge act, you know?
Yeah, there's six people, some family members.
TMZ real quick. Yeah, yeah.
They don't give a shit, honestly, and TMZ is like
they're in and out. This was a scene, brother.
It was like, whoa, red and green sweaters everywhere, people.
It was really cool. But yeah, so I got to go to
that, you know what I mean? That was, I forgot what the
point that's bringing that up, but yeah, that's pretty cool.
I got to see Robert Viz star, you know, and so so you know
that that's pretty cool with that.
Wasn't even that long ago. Yeah, yeah.
A year or two, maybe I. Think it was last year last.
Summer. Yeah, OK.
No, no, no, no, I'm sorry. Last Halloween.
It was last Halloween, OK. And then, dude, we all got
invited. And then once they realized it
was a scene, I took the subway. You have a subway here now?
And when I came out, I had to, like, jump the fence and, like,
because there was already a crowd and people were like,
damn, you know, some people know, You know, I was like,
yeah, they brought me through. And then, like, Robert hadn't
arrived. I didn't know it was going to be
that big of a deal, You know what I mean?
It was like, because people probably, we can't get in.
And I was like, oh, shit. And luckily I took the subway
and was on the sidewalk, walk down, went over some barriers I
wasn't supposed to. And then it like, now, like
where the limo would pull in, I just jumped over the little
thing. And then all these dudes in
suits were like, hey, buddy, hey, hey, I don't know.
I'm in the fucking movie. That's where.
And then like, oh, cool. And then I saw, you know who was
there? Robert Patrick, the Terminator.
Oh, nice. Not Arnold, the other
Terminator. Yeah, but he was just sitting
there was a bunch of family members and like, Eli Ross, some
of, you know, celebrities and whatnot.
But I saw him. I saw Robert Patrick.
And I walked in and everyone's like, oh shit, there's AT-1000
here, Ron. Have you seen this boy?
Yeah, man. So with doing conventions, you
know, has that kind of did that, did that like reinvigorate you
getting casted in things because.
Absolutely, 100%. I met other directors that still
wanted to work with me, and you're totally right.
And so for me, I mean, because, yeah, anyone, you know, acting
at my age now, it's basically totally starting over.
Luckily I did those other movies, people who let me, you
know, they'll at least go. Oh, well, I guess we'll lay you
in the door. What are you doing?
Because I'm an old dude, you know, I'm not.
Yeah. Weird time in Hollywood for
casting. So, yeah, that it did help.
And then it did invigorate me because it made me.
It did. You called it.
It invigorated me because I was like, well, I can make money
doing this. And then, like, you know, and it
can maybe we'll see, you know, because like I said, I've been.
And then it has. It's helped me get a couple
rolls. For sure.
That's what's up, man. And so, yeah, that's, you know,
obviously I'm not that young whatever anymore, but, you know,
but just being part of making movies is super fun.
Hell yeah. Hey, Roger, can I ask Danny a
question? Yeah, man, you can ask him a
question. Go ahead.
Danny, are you still in a band? And if you are, can I be the one
who plays cowbell? Yes, yes and yes, but not.
You know what? Listen, sometimes when you have
a fever and the only way to fix it is more cowbell.
Damn right, dude. Oh, that's that's it.
No, I play, you know what's funny is like, I don't play in
Victrola in in that band anymore.
But that sucks because I still listen to us sometimes when we
were fucking good. We just didn't stick with it
long enough. But I still play rock music with
some dude here. And then I have a friend.
This, this, these guys right here.
Doomsday Crip, they're they're vendors at these conventions and
sometimes we team up and it's really neat, man.
It's me, Doomsday Crypt and this guy named Joe Castro, who's a
makeup artist. He's kind of a celebrity makeup
artist. You know what I mean?
He's famous makeup artist. Well, we'll do to, we'll do a
convention together with Doomsday and Doomsday Crypt.
John Anderson's the the guy. And so it's a we got a great
booth and then Joe will sometimes recreate my death
scene. And so I was in Lexington, KY, I
did that. I my next gig, I go a couple
weeks, I go to Houston, but I'll be at Frankencon and then I'll
be at I'll be in June. I'm going to what they call
spawn of Scarefest and I'll be there with these guys.
I'll be there. It's in June.
I can't, I can't. It's either.
It's it's in June, but I'm going with Doomsday Crip and we're
going to be there with Joe Castro and we're going to
recreate some Nightmare 5 stuff. That's awesome.
There's going to be some really cool photo OPS, and if you're a
special effects nerd at all, you're going to be stoked
because it seemed the real deal. And it's fun, you know?
I mean, like, it isn't like my day where you had to show up at
3:00 in the morning and then they kind of experiment with
some chemicals and glue it on your face.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chemical burn afterwards, yeah.
No, you know, they're like close your eyes.
You're like, what's that lead based metallic thing?
I don't know. close your eyes. You'll be fine.
You'll be fine, yeah. Right dude?
I mean you can smell the chemicals back then You're like
what the fuck dude this can't be good.
For nobody light a match. Yeah, really.
Basically. But no, now they've made it.
It's so far. Like now it's almost not for
kids, but it's way more commercial and easier to do some
crazy shit, you know? Absolutely.
That'll be fun. That's what that's about.
The conventions. Yeah, that, that part's fun.
And then I don't know not to promote, but I I in June I'll be
at a Frankenkong, then I'm going to Scare Fest in June and then
and I'll be in Houston in like 3 weeks.
Hell yeah, yeah. No, Amanda, that you can.
That's. Cool too, because I'm going
there with with, if you guys remember Nightmare 3, Jennifer
Rubin, the girl, she's like the attic.
She has the, the, the Freddie kills her with the, the hands,
you know, the, the syringes. She'll be there with me as well.
And then when I can't remember the guy's name from Slipknot, I
don't know all their names, you know what I mean?
But it's one of the guys from Slipknot, so it's pretty.
Cool, that is sweet. The only thing, like I said, in
cities it's hard to keep a band because you can't play drums and
rock out people like what the fuck?
But what's cool about going out to Missouri or Aisle or
somewhere or Tennessee, whatever, you can go to dudes
backyard and their garage and just drink beer and go nuts and
have fun. Yeah, Jam out.
No one's going to care, you know, shoot some guns, make
noise and just, you know what I mean?
You can't really. It's hard to have a rock band in
the city. You got to be rich.
You got to have a garage. You're like, whoa, you got a
garage where you live. You know what I mean?
Like, it's hard. It's hard in cities.
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Yeah, choose from Sir. You can either say this is my
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This is a breakfast, I suppose. Cheat, cheat day.
Breakfast Donuts or waffles. Oh, Donuts all day long, you
know, like, you know, it's funny, we had like one donut
shop when I was a little kid and like we live so far out of town.
I wasn't like I didn't really get Donuts a lot, you know,
whatever. And then I went to this one
dudes house and they live right next to the donut shop.
And the dad one day was like, he just comes in and sets him down
and goes, Oh, I just got, I never even had hot Donuts with
glaze. I was like, dude, what is this
crack? Now when I'm in LA, my daughter,
it's a treat. Obviously we can't eat Donuts
all the time, but we got she, she knows my daughter know we go
to like donut shops and some of them are rad because they're,
they've been around for years, you know, like 4 News, you know,
like Primo's Donuts, DK's Donuts.
We got one of those. Not fancy, actually, back in the
day, dude, it was 24 hours, but it's always been a donut shop.
It was in the 80s, it was like there was some murders there.
Yeah, dude, you're like, I'm not going there now.
They're like, they're like, almost like a fancy donut shop,
you know what I mean? So it's pretty cool.
I didn't. Yeah.
They make crate like crazy, you know, Donuts with all everything
like that Portland place in Oregon almost, you know, like so
yeah, Donuts all day long, dude. I'm with you.
I'm with you on that number 2 Domestic pets, dogs or cats.
I got two dogs, man. I I'm not an animal.
I have two dogs and I don't dislike cats.
People think like, Oh yeah, but my neighbors, they have feral
cats that they let kick out in their yard and whatever.
Well, where do you think they go?
To the bathroom? My yard or my side of our
building? So I don't run my dogs to chase
their cats, but I make my dogs. My dogs know they're like, fuck
yeah. They don't really attack them.
They just make them. You guys poop on that side?
Yeah, they're just, they're just securing the perimeter as it
were. That's it.
My German Shepherd loves it, dude.
Now she's 3. But she's like, any time I go
outside, they think like, oh, we're going to run around the
house or make you know, And then dude, this is just recent.
So my little dog, she's a where is she anyhow?
She's a Shih Tzu poodle, super cute.
She's only like 20 lbs. And I had the window open in the
middle of the night. Well, you could see where
there's a fence. The building in between is
really close to our window. Guess what walks Mr. Kitty cat
walks by. So my dog's right there and she
just goes a crazy what she's like.
Right there and I was. Like.
Just middle of the night, sensor light comes on like.
Calm down dog. It was pretty funny.
But yeah, I've had a cat too. But I'm a dog guy.
Guy. Yeah, yeah, dogs.
Yeah, we we have a dog also mini pincher.
And this isn't on some mystery Chastain shit.
Our dog's name is actually Danny, but it's for Danny
Torrance from The Shining, so. Oh, no way, Brad.
I love that movie too. Right?
And he happened to have them in Danny.
I know that movies are terrific. I love that movie.
What a good movie. I think I've met that guy.
I could be that actor. I'm pretty sure I met him, not
Jack Nicholson. I think I met Jack Nicholson,
but like I met the other the. Kid.
Danny. Yeah, all right.
Next is an adrenaline junkie question.
Skydiving or bungee jumping? Man, I've I've I've done Bungie.
I don't like it at all. And then I was an army Ranger,
bro, I've sky. I've jumped so many times.
So I'm going to pick skydiving, but I'm going to tell you right
now neither one of them are cool.
Yeah. And they're cool.
I never. I've done a whole bunch of
skydiving, like honestly so. But I always, I just was like,
this is like, I'm not going to do this in my spare time.
Yeah. You know what?
I mean, it's just like it was too weird to me too.
Like even some, you know, I don't know, that's just my take
on it because I'm like, people shouldn't jump out of stuff like
this. This is like, we're just like,
ha ha, look at what I'm being. I mean, so yeah, I have a trash.
Never happened. I never had any malfunctions or
anything. I've had some crazy exits.
One time I had all the combat gear on and I mean tons of crap
dude, and when I jumped out my shoulder hits the door and it
spun me around and then when the wind hit me I went completely
upside down. South.
When my chute opened, my head was down and my feet were up.
And so when my chute opened, those are the risers that hold
your thing. I was all just a ball of fucking
my riser, head facing down, feet up.
Now I'm going down to earth like that and the rest of the.
I don't piss. Myself, not even a lot.
Drifting through a fucking trees or whatever I was like oh God I
finally unfucked myself from hit the ground but.
That's terrifying, dude. Totally dude, and it was at
night time as well. Nope, Nope, you win.
You got balls of steel, dude. I was upside down and I knew
that my shoot was going to open. I could feel it opening.
So when it opened, I knew I was not going to like plummet to
earth. So now, But now I'm upside down
all tangled up. And then I was like, every time
I would like because my blood was rushing to my head, you
know, I'm like, OK. And then I tried to figure out
what was tangled, you know, because you have gear and all
this bullshit. And so every time I would write
myself and, you know, sit upright and pull my risers down,
it would make me like, steer right into the trees.
You know what I mean? I was like fuck and.
Then I'd go upside down. It was like, it was like a good
45 seconds of just like, fuck, dude.
Yeah, that's we finally figured it out.
Beyond terrifying. Everyone's like, where the fuck
have you been? I was like the last guy to
assemble, you know? And I'm salty.
This just happened when I was like pretty like I've been
around like 5 years. I was like, where the fuck were
you, asshole? And I was like, never mind,
dude. You don't want to know, man.
That was one step from landing head first.
The next next one, surfing or biking?
Surfing, surfing I, well, I still live like if I, I still,
you know, it's funny, I've been surfing for years and years and
now that I'm older, it's such an extreme sport and whatnot.
Like sometimes I'll just go and just get in the water and swim
around, you know, because it's like, it's hard.
But yeah, luckily I live right here and I have a bunch of
surfing friends, man. So like really good friends.
My friend Chance Boy, this is a not the name drop, but we've
been friends. We did the M&M's commercial 100
years ago and that's how we be. He's a real surfer.
He's like, he's like professional or was, you know,
and I'm an actor that surfs, you know what I mean?
I definitely, I was a jock, not a surfer, but I did it so much.
I can do it, you know, and I really enjoy it.
It's a Mother Nature thing, man. It's totally cool.
But Chance was an actor as as well.
And he was on Harry and the Hendersons and then him and his
mom. There's kind of a cult movie
called Night of the Comet. It's a you.
Ever heard that any people that are like it's like a it's a
can't be old zombie movie. It's one of the first zombie
movies called Night of the Comet.
Anyhow, it's Chance Boyer and Sharon Farrell is his mom and
they're in the movie together. Nice.
So it's pretty cool. And then yeah, he's my serpent
pal. Him and this other cat was my
friend Donnie and my other friend Bobby.
They're great servers. Was he the little boy in Harry
and the Hendersons? Was he the little?
No, he was the teenage. There was an older girl and she
had a boyfriend. He was like this surfer dude and
he always had like, funny stuff to say.
But yeah, there was like, I can't remember the girl.
She was like the main, the actress.
He was the boyfriend of that of her.
OK, nice. So.
Yeah, Yeah, He was also really, you remember like in those
there, Well, you might be totally young, but there was
these corny commercials called Mentos Fresh Maker commercials
and they were super corny, but popular for some.
Reason. Yeah, exactly.
I think what is Chance? Oh, Chance is the guy that's
like he's going across the street and then he cuts through
a limousine and. Then he's just like.
And the hell he did. He was chance.
Yeah, dude, he was like, you know, it's funny because like
those were popular back. Then did he get a lifetime
supply of them? Perhaps.
I know I don't. Know, but he was on TV a lot for
that stupid commercial man. It was pretty funny.
Oh shit. All right, next is a travel
question. HH or Airbnb?
Man, Airbnb, they're more interesting, right?
And then yes, for all you people that love the Airbnb, whatever
that word I just said, don't go and thrash them.
Don't go fucking have all your friends like spill shit all over
and burn it down right or. Whatever.
I love Airbnb if you treat them cool, right, Because then you
get swagged and you can like make fun, do whatever, watch
television, watch and check out the whole spots and they're
usually they're interesting and more economical.
Sometimes, you know, hotels are cool.
I like hotels when you've been roughing it, roughing it, you
know, like even the camping, like just like tent camping or
RV and you've only been at the beach for a week.
Go to a hotel you're like, and it's like you just it's their
place. You could throw the towels on
the floor and like, you know, right?
Yeah. Do my Lauren view.
I'm just kidding. So but yeah, Airbnb are rad when
I went to even when I went to Europe, I think I Airbnb in
England one time, but I did hotels also and then I've done
it like all over, right. I used to work with this one
company that would do military. It's Larping, you know, like
live action role. Who's the acting gig?
But they do military simulation against each other and they
shoot little yellow beauties. Airsoft stuff, yeah.
It is airsoft. It's this company called Millsim
W They're the premier Larping company, but they airsoft
against each other and they have scenarios and script and
role-playing and everything. It's really pretty fun.
But they're very they're, they're actually international.
We've been all over. But yeah, they they Airbnb a lot
when we travel and that's kind of fun because you always stay
at really cool spots. Yeah, dude, that's what's up.
Yeah, because a hotel is basically just four walls, you
know, it's always the same, but. It can be.
That's what it's that's what I see.
If you just want to like, sleep and lay there, like watch
television, then they're cool. But yeah, the other ones are
interesting. You never know what you're going
to see, All right? Next one sports question.
Basketball or football? I football, I love them both.
I played them both. I love football more even to
this day. I think, I think the NFL is like
the craziest guys. They are getting weird with like
advertising, trying to include people.
Everyone thinks it's like, oh, they're all going gay.
And I'm like, no, my gay friends don't watch any more football
than they ever did. They don't really give a shit,
but or, and if they do, they're gay guys watching football.
They're not like dudes that are. I'm here for that fucking Eagles
motherfucker. Yeah, but yeah, football is fun,
dude. It's a fucking.
Those dudes are gnarly athletes and they don't really know that.
People that don't take in consideration that like those
dudes are so broken after they're done, that's a hard, you
know, that's a hard life. Even though they're like, oh,
they're overpaid. No, no, not really, because
they're kind of fucking fucked up when they're done or during,
you know what I mean? They all end their career
because something got broke, you know, whatever.
But basketball just to carry, like right now, it's all, what
would you call it? The NC 2 as are happening.
And it's like super fun for fans.
Like right now all the conference tournaments are
happening and they're ending. So you're going to find out this
weekend who's going to go to the tournament and then all the
other teams. And that's so fun.
That's super fun to watch. If you're a basketball fan, it's
more fun than Bros I and the pros are fun in the playoffs,
but there's games in the middle of the season that you're like
and then basketball again. I think I'm not really digging
the individualism that's happening in professional sports
because of the money. You know, no one really cares
about your game day fit. You know what I mean?
You know, like real fans don't really give a shit.
They just want to see you guys smash each other.
Yeah, we live in. Central or weird?
World, Yeah. The social media world, but.
You know, it's changed a little bit.
They're like this weird marketing environment, whatever.
Basketball has broken. Basketball has been breaking my
heart for years because I'm a Bulls fan, so I.
Understood now? No.
I love the Bulls as well because they, the Lakers and them were
rivals back in the day with Jordan and all that, you know,
with the Magic, they were household names right?
Now you ask people who's on the team, like, I don't fucking
know, right? Yeah, You know, that isn't like
their household names anymore because people got turned off of
it. And, you know, I don't want to
talk about LeBron James, but he kind of like the Laker people.
It's either, no, I'll tell you the truth.
I've been a Laker fan my whole life.
People hate that dude. Yeah.
You know, I don't mean they hate him as his ability, but as a
fan. They're ready to him for to go
somewhere else so they can root for someone else that they
really like. Right.
You know, the last time that was around was when Kobe and Shaq
were here and, you know, and now they're not, you know, and that
and to be honest, like basketball used to be kind of
like a favorite TV show for people.
Like every Friday night they watch this or whatever.
But now it's not even on the radar.
You know, It really isn't. And that's weird.
Like you said, it's been like that for a few years after
Jordan left the Bulls. You know, who watches them?
You know, And I go and then. Yeah.
So. Yeah, but you know, it's still
fond a lot of great athletes, those dudes, again, just amazing
guys, you know what I mean? So yeah, otherwise.
Go ahead next one holidays, Halloween or Christmas.
I know your your birthday, you're a you're a December
fella. So yeah, but which one you like
more? Halloween or Christmas?
Man, that's a. Tough decision dude, now that I
have my kid, you know what I mean?
Cuz we go hard on Halloween cuz we have a neighborhood right
here and it's so kid friendly dude it's like 4 blocks.
They cut it. It's huge.
It's a lot like your kids like, Dang, that's a lot of candy.
Cuz they like, I, I couldn't imagine living in that
neighborhood because there's one St. called Purdue Ave. and then
there's any other, the neighbourhood's been doing it
for, since when my kids been like, you know, they just,
they're really cool about Halloween and they do all the
decorating and they go off, you know, so you just literally walk
a big square block and it's a lot, it's a lot of stuff.
So, and we always, now that she's getting older, it might
not be as much, but we always make like a little float, you
know, a little wagon with some kind of thing that corresponds
with our cost. That shit's fun, dude.
That's a fun night. So I'd have to say Halloween and
I love Christmas too because we do Santa Claus and all that, you
know, but so until, you know, my daughter's still 8 now I'm like,
she's getting older and done it. But so yeah, for, you know,
Halloween and and those are, that's a tough one to be honest,
because when you have kids, man, they're super fun at that one at
a age, you know, because we do elf on the shelves and that's a
new thing. But the kids are super
fascinated by that one. So it's like, that's it's pretty
cool. Halloween, I guess.
Yeah, keep the magic alive. You know that's.
Yeah, as long as you care. Yeah, exactly.
Vermont, dude. That's why, like, people are
like, some people, like, told me, like, I remember one time
they're like Santa Clara, he's all fake and he's banging and I
go fucking shut up. My parents did that to me and I,
oh, I'm so scarred, you know, I was like, fuck that.
I thought it was real. I thought I was bitching.
You know what I mean? I really thought like, oh man, I
better go to bed. I was, I was like, he's going to
catch me asleep or no way and it's going to fuck it up.
Yeah, exactly. I'm trying to.
See him? No, I'm not going to get the
better. And then I swear I heard bells
and shit like I think I heard bells last night.
I'm telling. I mean, our kids, like I said,
my, my daughter's 18, my son's 16 and we still, you know,
Christmas Eve, like we do the one gift and then we literally
wait till they go to bed and then we bring down the Santa
like they know Santa. He's yeah, no Santa.
No, that's what my parents did. That's totally cool, bro.
There's nothing wrong with that whatsoever.
Because I've heard people do, because some people just aren't
in the holidays, period. They're like, OK, Bah, humbugs.
Yeah. And then, yeah, I don't get off
on the whole religious part of it either.
You're like, that's not what it's about.
It's Jesus birthday. Like, oh Jesus.
Yeah, here. I just want to.
I just want some new socks, man. No.
For real. Like.
Next one this I don't know the the people listening or watching
or however they're consuming this.
I don't know how well versed they are in your your life
outside of Elm Street, but right, you know you you're not
afraid to get your hands dirty. You're a working man, which is.
Part Oh yeah, I love construction, brother.
I love it. I actually like it almost as
much as acting. This is 0 Yeah, what's the I
just. I do, I love construction.
Here's The funny thing. I and I'm not like, I mean, I
can build stuff and all that, but I like to get it done.
Let's say remodel, kitchen, bathroom, right.
You know what, when you make that mess where you got to take
that mess and it's got to go somewhere, you can't just dump
it. So that part of the health, the
whole creative part, everybody's got their own mind.
Like if you do you like. I want my kitchen to look like
this and it's like, so I, you know, building is it's OK, but
you still have to interact with people.
Taking stuff apart and taking it to the dump is easier, you know,
absolutely, but not that we can't build stuff.
We can't. The guys that I work with, we
all. But here's what's funny.
I I was sitting there the other day and there was like, all the
award shows are happening, right?
And I'm going to tell you guys, the award shows are 100%
bullshit. People pay for them.
I don't know how it really works.
I've been a member of Academy since 87 and dude, yeah.
And every year since then, I've tried to enjoy the Oscars or
these movies, these award shows. But then I realized it's never
what you think. It's, it's, there's an agenda to
it. And half the fucking movies,
half the movies, you don't even know what the you never saw.
They're they're shit. They're not even good.
You're like, this movie sucks. And I'm being honest.
And it's been like that since 87, dude.
So I don't give a shit about any of these shows, right, right.
And then you remember when the comedian Gervais or whatever the
comedian fucking tore in get your fucking award.
That's you know, it was super funny, right?
And sure enough, I'm watching one of those shows and they
fucking been this year. Every actor thought there were
some kind of fucking activist or some shit just talking so much
shit. And I was sitting there just
like listening and everything. And I thought to myself, you
know why? Because your job and I'm an
actor. Your job is so fucking
meaningless. And be honest.
It's non essential. Technically you're a fucking
actor. Just be an actor.
We don't want to hear your fucking opinion.
You know and. So and it's truly meaningless.
So my whole correlation is I'd rather tear apart someone's
kitchen and help them out then go to an award show and hang
around a bunch of people and tell each other how great we
are. And and half the fucking people
didn't even see the movie. Like the movies that everyone
watched, people are like, oh, that's a kind of commercial.
And to me personally, I think commercial success is part of
the fucking game. The arts are liberal.
It's a liberal business that this is where you can do all
that. But for some reason they keep,
I'm talking since 80s. They keep wanting to say like,
oh, there's not enough gays or blacks represented.
Brother, I'm an actor. You know who my competition is?
Gays and blacks, and I'm not saying that to be mean or
anything. I'm being 100% fucking on.
It there's 1000 people, yeah, fighting for your job.
And then who like go back all the way to like, who's making
the money? Like pop music, Whitney Houston,
Michael Jackson, you know, I mean this.
And then they go to the shows. Like we need to represent more
minorities. Like, what the fuck are you
talking about? They're they're running the
show, you dumbass, you know, And then also like gay people, like
I have a lot of gay people who are my friends.
So it's not like I'm talking bad or anything, but I'm getting
nice. There's hundreds of gay Rock
Hudson was gay, you know what I mean?
So but now for some reason they want straight actors to be like,
if you get a gay role, I'm like, why don't they just get a gay
dude? Million of it right there in the
fucking wings waiting. Don't give me that shit that
they're not represented that they're they're it's a liberal
business, you know what I mean? So it's just again, marketing,
dude. They're trying to just make
people think something else. But people will go watch what
they want. So that's what again, how do you
get started? Or how do you, if you knew that
if we knew what was gonna be popular, we'd be so rich,
brother, You know what I mean? Yeah.
You know, you don't know what people are gonna dig.
So. Yeah, and that's what I always
say. I don't care about politics and
acting. Like I brought, like I said, I'm
more proud of helping people when I'm done fucking helping
them do their kitchen or the bathroom or a retaining wall,
you know what I mean? Then and then not that I'm not
proud of the movies, I am, but at the end of the day, I help,
you know, those, those aren't really that important.
That's just, that's like something that I, you know, you
can go buy and watch and yeah, it gives you like an hour of
freedom, you know what I mean? So that's why I'm still into
making movies. I really enjoy it, but let's get
down to how serious it is. We have an earthquake right now.
No one gives a fuck if you're a filmmaker.
I need a wheelbarrow. I need something to turn the
water off. Yeah.
So I'm just saying, I just think like when I saw these actors
taking themselves so fucking serious, I was like, it's
because your job is so fucking meaningless, you weirdos.
You know what? I mean get.
Paid. We get paid to play pretend, you
know what I mean? So.
Yeah, dude. And that's what I love about
Renee Perez, regardless of he's he's he's all that want to get
into it. He's also the other way.
He hates he uses the word woke and hates liberals and says
libtard and all that and liberal, liberal.
I hate liberal liberal. And even the two movies I did
with them, like it kind of had this theme.
And I go, I told him him when I go, bro, can we do another
movie? But can it not be part of the
Danny Hassel? I hate Liberals series because
like every movie kind of has this couple scenes where he says
some weird shit. So yeah, but he's all about
that. So I don't even, you know,
that's why I'm saying he's kind of an eccentric director to work
with. But.
Right. We get movies done.
So that part of it I enjoy. I love.
I love getting it done. He's efficient, like cool, we
did it like the last one we did. It's called, it's called
straight white male. Again, the him and the actually
it was called exit the Empire or like exit the government.
It was supposed to be like that. You're right, like freedom isn't
free or all these other adjectives because it has it,
it's a pilot. And then it goes into this other
part where it almost, I don't want to say like 48 hours, but
it comes to be almost like a Jack Bauer scenario, right?
OK, really cool script and whatever.
But then him and the producer got into it about whatever,
about distribution and he titled it straight White male and
putting on humble. And that's the title of a movie,
Straight White male. I started laughing so fucking
hard. I thought it was a joke.
I was like, dude, you fucking ruined that movie.
But because I own it and I have the master, I own part of it.
I when I, when I redo it, I'm going to change the fucking
title. You know what I mean?
I was like shit, I mean, but him it was all because just to tell
you the truth is because him and the producer started having.
Beef, yeah. Issues, yeah.
And he went on his own and just did it without even telling me.
And I owned some of it. It was like finding out you're
traded on a sports team from the newspaper or something.
I was like. I I know shit people are calling
me like dude, your movies on humble and I'm like posted it
and I look and. I What the fuck?
And it was the wrong title and the the poster, they I'm already
old, but the actual movie poster, they aged me a bit.
They put like Gray hair, like it was really funky.
Dude. I was like, they aged to me.
They made me look older. They hit you.
You know what I mean? They hit you with the AI poster,
Yeah. They didn't do and they age me
and then there's one poster where it's real, run all the
gun, and then the other one that it's a gun that I didn't even
use in the movie. Fucking fake.
Fake. Yeah.
Oh my God. That was a.
Rather only I've gotten to have like 7 fingers.
But anyhow, it was, you know, but that's part of the industry.
And again, I don't have any hard feelings towards anybody because
you know why, dude? We got the movie done.
Yeah, yeah. And to me, that's all I cared
about. You know what I mean?
Now on to the next project. Cool.
I'll, I'll do another movie because it's like playing
guitar, acting, all of it to me. The only way you get better is
by doing it. Absolutely.
You take all the classes you want, but I don't care if you're
working on a tiny project or a big project or a commercial, as
soon as they say and you the cameras are rolling, that's when
you're doing your thing, right? Or if you're playing guitar and
they're like beep, beep or with the drums, you know you're doing
your thing. And then when you're done, that
experience that you went through is, is 20 fold what you'll learn
in any kind of other situations, right?
It's not anything surfing, dancing, whatever.
You got to do it to get better at it.
So that's why I love making movies because I just, you know,
I can go up and get them done in Northern California.
And yeah, sometimes it's literally the crew we're
carrying. I'm carrying a cat.
We're do it, man. Yeah, it's not like where's my
chair? You know, it'll be like 4 people
there. Yeah.
So that was an excellent, like wild departure, but I was going
to ask you. Go for.
It roofing or concrete? Oh, concrete bro.
All day long, man. Coffee.
I'm a concrete dude. Because it's hard fucking work.
No, roofing is hard too, especially if you're white and
it's summer. Yeah.
Yeah, I used to. I used to do roofing.
It's fucking. Sunburn, dude, you're fucking
sunburn, bro. That shit's hard.
Yeah, and then, but no, I'm a concrete whatever that's on my I
was the start of my job. We were like the guys, it's hard
work. You got to dig a dig D rebar,
all that shit, dude, it's like time and and then pumping
concrete yourself and it's hard and not making a mess,
especially like in where neighborhoods like fucking
Beverly Hills and you know, Palisades, Brentwood, you can't
blow out a fucking you make a mess looking concrete all over.
You got to be so good, dude. You got to fuck.
You got to be good. You got to know your shit.
But yeah, I have a there's a guy named Jim Borland and Donnie
Wilson. They're they're contractors that
I work for. They were like my mentors and I
still to this day work with them.
They're great. They know their shit when it
comes to concrete and foundations and all those
retaining walls and all that stuff.
That's hard work. But I definitely love concrete.
Concrete way more than roofing. Yeah, but it's hard.
Yeah. And you know, and then, oh, once
you start pouring concrete, you, you can't.
You're you got to. You got to.
Finish. When you're done, you're like,
when are you done? You're like, when we're done, we
don't know. You know, it's like fixing as
you're doing it. You do get it.
Once the hoses start flowing, you can't be like time out.
Let's go do something. You're like, yeah.
Yeah, pretty fun. Good question, Good question.
I mean, you know, I construction is construction is hardcore.
It's. Physical work.
It's physical work. That's why like if you even if
you're not built for it, like you get a young guy and he's
like kind of awkwardly built and kind of a gut or something and
you're like, dude, you're going to have a hard fucking day.
I mean, this is hard work, you know what I mean?
So it's funny, man. But yeah, there's it.
You know, like I said, I like it because it's hard work.
But I also, I'm, I'm doing more for people than you know, Half
the people don't even know that I'm an actor when they find out,
right? Or they're like, no fucking way,
dude, You know what I mean? Cool.
But they're more happy that I fixed their retaining wall than
some fucking movie they don't appreciate.
A word, yeah, it's cool because it's very, it's it's, I don't
want to say selfless work, but you know what I mean?
It's not like it doesn't like, it's not like inflating your ego
by someone. Telling what, how great you are,
but like, you're up. You're absolutely right.
And part of me gets off on that, to be honest, because I do both
ends. I do, you know, the artist world
where people take themselves way too fucking serious.
And then the people, the blue collar dudes are, hey, you
better take those guys here. Otherwise the city's going in
the toilet, literally. Absolutely.
So I have no respect for that. You know, I was a Carpenter by
trade. My dad was a framer so but then
I got into, like I said, foundations and concrete, and
then now it's like, not that I liked it, but demolition is.
I'm fine with demo. I don't need to build your
custom kitchen because there you know, you can did money is a
problem. I'm more like efficiency guy.
You know what I mean? I want to work proper and I'm
not, but designing my when I tell people all the time, my
advice is don't get creative, just make it, you know, you get
creative. They're like, I want it.
Next thing you know, it's like an $80 million project of stuff
that you don't really need, you know what I mean?
So yeah, I see stuff. I just see like, Nope, that's
got to go, that's got to go. And then put the most efficient
thing in there that works, you know, not like.
Design guy you. Know it's like I leave that
after the pros because they do. We have architects and other
people that, you know, talk to home and decide what they want
to build. I mean, usually it all depends
on your budget. And that's another thing people
don't understand that after COVID, construction materials
are like freaking diamonds. They got so expensive.
There's a there's a old joke during COVID.
So plywood was like $35 at one point, right?
Plywood read a four by eight piece of plywood, it jumped to
$99, right? Yeah.
And so we during COVID, this one, we were doing a foreman.
I was building a really cool hotel downtown.
And this one guy was like, I was, I'm going to be a little
late tomorrow because this morning he goes, one of our
drivers, a piece of plywood, flew off and hit a truck behind
him. And he goes, Oh no, he goes,
yeah, it's OK though. I sold two pieces of plywood and
bought 3 new trucks. Dude, you're not kidding.
Plywood 2 by fours. Outrageous.
It's unreal dude. That's why I no, I didn't.
I'm telling you it was during that time, 2020 to 2022.
It's like, I mean just crazy. It still hasn't really come
down. South.
So a weird little sidebar on that with wood prices.
When we were filming our movie, we had one, one gag.
You know, you have to have prop weapons.
I wanted a breakaway baseball bat, which is balsa wood, you
know. Sure.
And there's a company new rule effects and I think they're out
of California. I had, yeah.
I bookmarked it before the COVID stuff and I was like, this is
where I'm going to order all my stuff and it was dirt cheap,
like 30 or $40. By the time we got to shooting
and we had to order the props, they were like $300.00 for a
Baltimore baseball bat that I get to swing one time, you know?
What I'm saying, honestly, I remember because people were
doing budgets like homeowners, corporations, just they're like,
this is getting a little steep, you know, because I was working
to be I was working at a commercial job downtown.
But then when you when it switched, when we go to the
commercial places, especially people we've known before COVID
and we did their backyard. Now they hey, can you come back
and redo some stuff? And he said and then you by the
way, look at the prices now and they're like, what?
And it's like, and we're not even, we're honest guys.
We just time the materials. We're not ripping people off,
you know what I mean? So you just, it's pretty easy if
you're honest, dude. It's just, you know, yeah, yeah,
that sucks. That's with everything, gas,
everything sucks. Everything's getting, you know,
it's miserable. Everyone thinks LA is super cool
and it is super cool, but it's like any other major city.
You got to get through 800 fucking dip shits to find the
cool. You know what?
I. Mean so.
Many. Dude, there's so many idiots out
here bro. I mean, Oh my God.
Trust me. Yeah.
Well, on a on a lighter note of that, since you were talking
about music, you prefer acoustic or electric guitar.
Believe it or not, acoustic, because I yeah, acoustic guitar.
I that's how I learned to play music originally from like 7th
grade till now. I still have one right here.
And you can travel with it. You know what I mean?
You can, you know, Yeah, because I actually play electric bass.
But electric bass by itself is pretty fucking nerdy.
You're like, what are you denying a dude all by himself?
You're like, that's pretty avant-garde there, bro.
Boom boom. You might need another band
around you. So yeah, even when I, when I
went to college and took music and I went to a junior college,
but they had a killer music program.
I took jazz ensemble, but I was a bass player, electric bass.
But all the guitar stuff helps you navigate the neck and know
what's going on, right? So, but bass is a whole
different animal and it's electric.
It's electric. So for me, that's my rocket
ship, the fun one, the Harley or the rock, you know, rock.
And the base is my like hot rod. But the acoustic is my jam.
That's what I go to and what I took with me all around, you
know, So I always have it. Hell yeah, yeah.
And a jam is at a moment's notice because you don't have to
have electricity or anything, so.
That's it though. That's it.
That's actually the young guitar player that like when I first,
when I was in Victrola, that's what his thing was, is like, you
know, he's like, Nah, dude, we're gonna be walking or
wherever and just bust out our guitars and all that.
Yeah, you're right, dude. This is actually cool.
Yeah. So last question of the hot
takes, this may or may not I suppose, rub our listeners a
different way because we are the Deep Cut Podcast and we
primarily cover horror. So the question is, when you're
chilling at home and you're just vibing and you got to pick a
movie, are you a horror movie or an action movie kind of guy?
Man, that's a tough decision. That's I wouldn't go action
because I'm so jaded from the 80s horror.
Yeah, that like this is the first time this this movie
sinners and the movie with the kids running.
What the fuck was? That weapons.
Weapons, yeah. Oh, dude, those are the only two
movies in the last I'm not as not I'm not nothing that gets to
scream franchise. I just never was a fan.
I never really, and I just I'm being honest, even though
they're huge, but it's it's been a minute for me to like go watch
horror films because some of them I'm like, you know, so
action. Yeah.
So I it's going to yeah. So, but I will say this, I'm not
going to again the Oscars like that movie singers going to win
or did they win everything? I can't remember.
I think, I think they won a bunch of stuff, yeah.
Yeah, well, that's never happened, but I think it's all
fixed anyhow because the movie is actually fucking good.
Because here's my take on that. Because it was commercially
successful, people went and saw it.
So all the people up here were like, oh, really?
You know, like maybe we should give them an Oscar because
everyone's watching that, you know, let's try to be hip again.
Yeah, You know what I mean? So.
But yeah, that movie and that weapons movie where the kids
running with the lane. And God, yeah.
And I was, I enjoyed that. Not because that's a tough
question you asked. Out of this year, I'd have to
say horror because those two movies were like the the one
Weapons movie. I was holding my seat, gripping
my the, you know, the armrest a couple of times.
Yeah, when she was, you know, fucking with the kids parents.
I was just like oh this movies intense.
The fork man when they're like stabbing their faces.
That's what I mean. That part just sent me on edge.
And then the little boy, stop it.
Make him stop, you know, you know, I was like, oh, it's
movies bugging the. Shit out of me but.
It was it was good. It was good.
It was weird and trippy scared, not scared me, but it was a
trippy movie to me. I thought I'd go whoa.
And if it if it evokes that emotion out of me, I'm like, oh,
that's a good movie. Yeah, you know, there's sinners
movie to me. I'm not going to say it was I
enjoyed it, but it had like a real slickness to it too.
Like it was pretty, pretty high tech.
Everyone was gorgeous, you know, a lot of sexualized stuff, but I
didn't. But still a very power rated
movie. So but I I enjoyed it.
And then to be honest, you know, any of the other movies I even
go fucking see. I don't want to sit here and
talk bad about other movies, but a lot of times a lot Oscars or
SAG awards or any of those except for like MTV awards,
which aren't even a thing anymore.
I don't even watch those movies because I half the movies I
won't even go see. It's either going to be action,
horror, science fiction, if it's a drama or some kind of, you
know, I'm probably going to pass it up, you know, I won't see it.
And, you know, So, yeah, just to be.
I like to be. I like to enjoy the movie.
Yeah. You.
Want to have some fun? I was going to say you, you
don't necessarily strike me as like, like watching the art
house movies. That's not like that's not.
Our mind, that's not. Again, not that I'm knocking
acting. I like acting in movies, but
again, I play music with my friends still.
But it's you're not going to call it and say, hey man, you
guys want to go to the park and do some theater or maybe do some
acting. You know, you're not going to
see me doing that, even though, you know, because some people
really enjoy acting like. Oh I love.
Acting and I'm like you do OK I mean I like it but not like
that. I like music, you know I like
surfing, you know what I mean but but I like I like making
movies, you know what I mean but I'm not a theater guy, you know
even though I tried it like I said we talked about earlier and
I'm not that I'm not even I'm OK at it too I've done plays but I
don't like it that much I like the camera part about it.
You know, the whole like acting for a camera instead of being on
a stage and acting in front of people and all that, even though
I mean that it's that is part of acting.
But like I said, you know, the other part I enjoy more.
And then the weird thing is it sucks when you do a movie,
there's nobody there going yeah, or whatever.
You just, it's very dry and you're done and you're just
hopefully working with. It's almost like music is like
that too. In your studio recording.
You don't, you know, you just you're trying to get it done.
And it's more like almost logistics than it is like, oh,
I'm performing in front of all of these people, You know what I
mean? Because, yeah, you're creating
a. You're creating a, you know, so
it's. Kind of absolutely.
You're right. Yeah.
And you are performing. You need your capturing a
performance. It's just there's not an
audience, a live audience, but they're still casting your
performance. That's why I don't think AI will
ever take over, right? Because there's something that
happens when a live performance does even music and, and there
are imperfections. AI won't be, it'll be perfect.
You got what I'm saying? That's why even playing music
versus a drum track, there's imperfections.
And, and, but I'm telling you, it's all about, you know, the
vibe and frequencies, whatever you want to call it, humans do
it better than machines. That's just that, you know,
you're still capturing a performance when you when you do
acting or you're recording music.
Absolutely. You know, while you're, you're
capturing a performance. But it's like I, yeah, but like
I said, I still keep my acting chops up by doing movies.
But I as like, if I have free time, I'm like I said, I'm not
going to go to the theatre and like the volunteer theatre and
go, hey guys, want to come see me in my play?
And I'm like, no, it's not, you know, not going to.
Do that so so we're not going to be running lines together.
Yeah, do it. You know, it's even worse at my
age. Do it.
I I don't do TikTok, but it feels the same way.
Like I'm a old man. I'm doing a TikTok video because
I'm sending him an audition. You know, you feel really
fucking down, Dave. I liked it the old days when you
go to some person's office and audition for.
Him right? Yeah.
Even then it was brutal. I got some funny stories.
I don't even know where to remember, but there was some
movie dude, let's say it'd be me and seven other actors that kind
of look like me. You go into a room and then
there's this, the casting director like right there.
And then the OK Danny, you're next and you go in and then
they'll be like and pull a curtain.
And so the other fucking 5 dudes are right on the other side of
that curtain. And so even when you got to
listen to this fucking dude do his audition, it's so.
Fucking dumb dude. Yeah.
It's horrible, it's horrible. I was so fucking taken by that
because I had, when I got there, you know, I'm like third in
line, then I'm four and then I get funny, it's my turn.
And by the time I got there I've heard three fucking dudes do it
behind this curtain, you know? And I'm just like what the fuck?
And then I get done and then when I walk out, there's still 7
more coming in and I look and everyone's all being kind of
weird and I was just looked at everybody.
I go, well, bad luck everybody. Yeah, one dude laughed, the
other dudes got their feelings hurt.
I was like how fucking funny dude.
Fuck, it was weird. Walk out like well, you guys
better go to a different audition because I just.
Yeah, I started doing that shit just to be funny.
I go, yeah, well, you guys never leave or something.
And some dudes thought it was funny.
Some dudes are. So since they got hurt, yeah,
you're being mean. Whatever, I'm joking.
I'm just clowning around. But I suppose, man, on that
note, I again, I can't thank you enough for taking the time out
of your day and coming and being a guest on the podcast, man, it
it means. Welcome, man.
Thanks. It's awesome.
Awesome. I'm glad I have the time to do
it. Obviously, I love to sit here
and talk about myself, but I can go hang out with my daughter in
this afternoon, which is way rather than doing that.
So yes. Yeah.
But no, man, thanks for digging the movie and keeping all this
stuff alive. And yeah, if you're if anyone's
listening, I'll be in Texas and then I'll be in Tennessee.
Yeah, and I'm sorry, Kentucky, Lexington, KY and then I think
there's another gig in Tennessee that's in June.
But then in next month, the beginning of the month, I'll be
in Houston, TX with some cool other people.
Cool. Like, you know, like I said,
some other cool actors and and musicians and stuff.
Yes, but I suppose on that note, we should probably get going
because after all, there's a lot of movies out there and
somebody's got to watch them, so why not us, right?
Heck yeah, thanks for having me. Have a great day.
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