1 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaking of things being better in the olden days, shall we jump 2 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,000 in to? Yeah, mate, go for it. 3 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,680 Yeah, So happy to have you on again, Emil, and thanks very 4 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,680 much for accepting my invitation to come and talk all about your 5 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,160 experience playing third edition for the very first time. 6 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,600 It's been a been decades in the making and. 7 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,160 Yeah. I'm just glad, yeah. 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,200 I'm just glad that you got to experience it with someone you 9 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:43,000 met down there in in Sydney, where you are there on such a 10 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,480 beautifully landscaped and model table. 11 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,800 Yeah, I'll thanks. Yeah, really blown away by those 12 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,200 pictures, mate. Yeah, yeah, me too. 13 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,280 I mean, yeah, like you're saying it was a it's been a really big 14 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,960 lead up. You know, the third booklet that 15 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,720 sorry, the 3rd Ed robot came out in the same year that I was 16 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,920 born. So it's a lifetime in the 17 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,320 making. But yeah, like, I've, I've 18 00:01:10,320 --> 00:01:11,760 always wanted to play old Hammer. 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,280 Even when I was a kid, I came in right at the end of 5th. 20 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,880 So like, sixth really was my first addition. 21 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:24,520 But I've always been, I was always enamoured by the like, 22 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,680 the dioramas they had set up in the back of the shop. 23 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:31,120 So they had, you know, a 5th edition set up for 3rd, 2nd, 24 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,400 1st, even they had the old three booklets there with miniatures 25 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,560 from that era. And I used to spend half the 26 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,520 time just with my face pressed against the glass looking at 27 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:46,240 those miniatures. So yeah, but before, before this 28 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:47,880 game, I've never played third edition. 29 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,040 So yeah, bear that in mind. I'm a novice at best that that 30 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:57,600 he was my experience. So besides just really loving 31 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,720 the miniatures, I think my brain is just wired to like old things 32 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:04,640 more. It's always kind of been like, I 33 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:09,199 don't know why, it just is the other miniatures and the 34 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,600 aesthetic. And the more and more I learned 35 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:15,680 about it as well, the mentality, you know, the game is not 36 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,360 competitive, It's not meant to be. 37 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,640 It's it's a vehicle for creating stories. 38 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,080 And you know, it's supposed to be played with AGM who runs the 39 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,840 game and steals it like like you would during an RPG. 40 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,880 You know, I mean, that's where it was birthed from, that sort 41 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,760 of seventies, 80s Dungeons and Dragons sort of sort of time 42 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,160 before it's sort of morphed more into like a miniature war game. 43 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,320 What I also really love is how the rulebook explicitly states 44 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,080 that you don't have to use Citadel miniatures and that it 45 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:56,360 also contains cardboard cutouts or stand in miniatures so you 46 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,120 can play without buying a single one. 47 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,360 Like, could you imagine Games Workshop doing that today? 48 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:07,800 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, after coming back in the 49 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,400 hobby, I think it was, it was winter, so yeah. 50 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,800 So probably August last year after finding the Crown of 51 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:21,840 Command, I thought, well, you know, Oldhammer exists and there 52 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,960 are actual people who still play it. 53 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,080 So you know, why not? I I could be one of those people 54 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:31,560 who play it. So I put up an ad in the player 55 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:36,240 locator in the Discord looking for third players here in 56 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:41,720 Sydney. I had no bites for a while until 57 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:46,040 Zodi Biggs introduced himself on the server and he told me he was 58 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:51,200 keen for a game of third. At that point I didn't have an 59 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:57,560 army to play a game of third with, so I met up with Zodi 60 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:02,240 Biggs at Kind FX's game club, the Sutherland Shire Gamers 61 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:07,280 Club, and we played some more time while I started building up 62 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:13,120 a third undead army. So during that time I also got 63 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:20,079 my hands on Bob, the Big Orange Book, the giant thirded book, 64 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,720 which, like I said, was published in the same year that 65 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,880 I was born. It was actually fairly difficult 66 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,720 to get my hands on that book. It took quite a while because 67 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:35,240 it's pretty expensive online. I just had to wait and be 68 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,560 patient. I was using the PDF but it's 69 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,400 it's not very. It's not the easiest book to 70 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,880 navigate at the best of times, and using APDF makes it even 71 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:50,280 more difficult. But eventually I found one along 72 00:04:50,280 --> 00:04:56,200 with the Warhammer's Armies book which is a great book. 73 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,360 Unlike later editions, it's basically every single army book 74 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,640 in one book. Imagine that, having one book 75 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,000 that has everything you'd ever need to play any army you'd 76 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,440 like. You know you can actually get 77 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,800 away with just using Bob to build your armies. 78 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:16,640 There's a beast tree in the back that that has enough to get you 79 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,800 by that. The army book just makes it so 80 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:23,600 much easier. Both of these books are really 81 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:28,880 worth getting simply for the artwork alone, even if you never 82 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,840 plan to play third it I I really highly recommend getting them. 83 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,280 In my opinion, they contain the best app for games or workshop 84 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:42,080 has ever produced that you have to bear in mind that that I'm 85 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,120 biased. I'm a sucker for 80s fantasy 86 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,400 art, but it's also really like how it's there's not sort of an 87 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,280 art style like all the artists in there have their own style. 88 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:59,040 You know, it's kind of like at the same time around 3rd Ed also 89 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:03,400 when Wolfram like first edition came out as kind of when, you 90 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:08,960 know, the old war sort of really became that had the beginnings 91 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,560 of what it is today. Like it kind of became concrete 92 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,120 in that way. But I just like how it's still, 93 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,480 it was still so much, at least my feeling towards that. 94 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,520 There's so much still mystery and area left to explore, and 95 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:26,440 the fact that the artwork isn't all sort of the same really sort 96 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:33,760 of makes that more exciting. I also really love the world of 97 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:39,400 Warhammer seen through an old hammer lens with chaos infecting 98 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:43,640 and corrupting everything, chaos greenskins and marauding bands 99 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,120 and in those same marauding bands you can have chaos 100 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,080 worshipping elves and chaos towards. 101 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,960 And also the stories in the pre black library days are just so 102 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,720 good. The Oldhammer Fiction podcast is 103 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:03,240 really good at exploring some of those stories and for me I think 104 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,640 also for use the Felix and Go Trick stories are really epitome 105 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:11,520 of this. I also just really love the 106 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,760 aesthetic. Like it's grim dark before there 107 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:21,200 was a green dark in the days before everything was read, and 108 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,000 the miniatures are just so damn characterful. 109 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,440 Like just just take a look at what Chaos towards looked like 110 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,600 before they got their big hats like it, it'll blow your mind. 111 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:40,880 There are also some other things that were, let's say a little 112 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:45,040 bit more adult themed that were removed from the setting after 113 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:50,720 third edition in order to appeal more to younger audiences and 114 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:56,000 more importantly their parents. For example orcs were not made 115 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,440 of fungus and there were half orcs, so I wonder how they were 116 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,480 made. You know, when a when a mummy 117 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,760 ork and a daddy human fall in love? 118 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:14,600 Anyway, they're also for me and they also reproduce in a not so 119 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,640 savoury way. And there were other races that 120 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,000 also felt by the wayside. Unknowns. 121 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,640 You could have been your dwarf army and stoats. 122 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:30,120 You could also have Nippon and Cafe as like mercenary additions 123 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,360 to your army and you could field a complete army of slam. 124 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,200 Yeah, it's just a crazy twisted dark place and. 125 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,559 And that's just the way I like it. 126 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:48,000 So yeah, now down to the crunch. Again, I've only ever played one 127 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,600 game of 3rd Ed so take what I say with a grain of salt, but I 128 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:59,160 really love all the extra rules. There are rules upon rules, even 129 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,840 rules for making your own rules in case they got to put rules 130 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,760 for things that needed rules. Lots of rules. 131 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,480 It's It's also, like I was saying before, not really 132 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:15,160 presented in the best way for absorbing the rules and also not 133 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,840 for finding things that you need to reference mid game. 134 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:24,600 So I found that a bit of the hurdle, but for me learning to 135 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,600 play a game, it's I can read the rule book as many times as I 136 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,680 want, but I really actually kind of have to sit down and and play 137 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:35,760 it to really make sense of it. And when I did so you you see 138 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,080 that it's actually really not that different from later 139 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,880 editions. You can play it almost like 140 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,800 force. There are just loads of rules to 141 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,400 allow you to do anything you could possibly imagine. 142 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,280 Like you want your giant to roll a wagon up the hill and push it 143 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,240 down onto an oncoming army? No worries. 144 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,680 You want to reform your regiments and to shield walls or 145 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:06,040 testudos or wedges? Again, that's not a problem. 146 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:10,120 There are rules for that. I like to think of it like it's 147 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:15,200 a road map which enables your imagination to run wild and and 148 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,560 kind of create and do whatever you'd like to do. 149 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,640 So once I sort of got my head around that becomes a lot less 150 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,000 intimidating. All the rules are just there to 151 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,760 do things if you'd like to do them, but if you just want to 152 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,920 play a straight up game like 4th or 5th or even 6th, you can do 153 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:38,560 that. So yeah, once Zodi Bix and I set 154 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:42,760 a date for the game, it was a really good motivator to get my 155 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,480 hobby on and painted like I'd never painted before. 156 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,720 This was the first army I'd ever really painted that wasn't, you 157 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:55,600 know, half a day in the backyard with spray paint and having a 158 00:10:55,600 --> 00:11:00,160 BLOB fest on, on plastic miniatures. 159 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,800 I've just torn off the sprue with my fingers to form into an 160 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:10,480 army like I did when I was 13. Zodi Bigs was a great help as 161 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,320 was kind of fixing, helping me choose the right colour scheme 162 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:18,000 and for bouncing armies off and I ended up painting pretty much 163 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:22,480 2000 point army, the majority of which within six weeks. 164 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,720 So I was really proud of myself achieving that. 165 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,720 I never sat down and you know, painted anything like that in 166 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,520 that period of time. But bear in mind it's an undead 167 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,960 army, so most of it's just bone. So that makes it a lot more 168 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,160 manageable than, you know, escape an army or a Britannian 169 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:47,080 army or Ohio farm. The wake up leading up to the 170 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,720 game Zodi bigs really helped me in turning on my skeletons into 171 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,800 an army army list. We'd agreed on 1000 point game 172 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,160 as he told me. So that games take a really long 173 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,840 time to play, so it's best to keep it small, especially it's 174 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,880 the first time I'm playing it. But it would take even longer. 175 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:09,120 But I found 1000 points and it still gave me a fair scope to 176 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,880 use a fair few different types of units. 177 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:16,400 We also decided to drop the minimum number of core units 178 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,880 that you have to take in order to be able to play around a bit 179 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,560 more with special units. As you know, I'm still building 180 00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:25,680 the army and I want to make it bigger and bigger. 181 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:29,280 So I wanted to try out different things on on the table to see 182 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,720 what I liked more of in order to know what to what to paint up 183 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,440 next. So my list I I went with the 184 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:42,840 level 10 Necromancer. I had a 20 grim reapers with 185 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,840 Shields plus a standard musician. 186 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:50,120 I had 14 zombies and with a standard and musician. 187 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:56,880 And in both of those units I had one level 5 undead hero SO2 in 188 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:00,840 total. I had a chariot play cart, 189 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,480 carrion skull tracker with screaming skulls and eight death 190 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:12,840 riders with Lancers with standard musician and Zodi 191 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:15,000 Biggs. He took a greenskin army. 192 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:22,320 He had a one level 1 orc, level 15 hero, 19 orc boys, and so we 193 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:28,840 had the general in that unit at 20 Arab boys, 6 gobbo wolf boys, 194 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:34,240 20 goblins, 3 goblin fanatics, and one giant. 195 00:13:36,680 --> 00:13:38,680 So yeah, now to the big day itself. 196 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,920 I arrived and, and I walked into a games room and felt like I'd 197 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,520 stepped into a White Dwarf battle report from the late 80s. 198 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,280 I couldn't imagine a better table to play on. 199 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,920 Zodi Bix is an incredible artist and Craftsman and he he's 200 00:13:54,920 --> 00:14:00,120 created an amazing table. Let me just pull up a picture so 201 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,680 I can talk you through it. On a 6 by 4 table there was a 202 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:12,520 farm with with wheat fields, a watchtower, some ruins are 203 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:17,560 shrouded in a forest, two hills, a beautiful river traversing the 204 00:14:17,560 --> 00:14:22,480 table with a bridge going over it and a dirt Rd. leading off 205 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,600 from the bridge and a couple of farmhouses on the other side and 206 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,320 a peak style and two more crops of trees. 207 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,320 It's it's absolutely gorgeous. You couldn't imagine a better 208 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,560 table and and what a table to have for your first game. 209 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,920 These minis are are also to die for. 210 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:47,400 It's got a collection of third edge and earlier pre slaughter 211 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:52,440 miniatures of orcs and half Hawks and hobgoblins that I'd 212 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:57,040 never seen before. His skill with the brush is is 213 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:01,080 like yours, Josh. He's he could be an heavy metal 214 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,120 painter and it's all painted up the way it was in the 80s. 215 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:10,080 It's absolutely amazing. So to make it a bit more 216 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:14,200 interesting, we created a scenario imagining that we're on 217 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,840 the border of Sylvania. It's a greenskin wah beginning 218 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:22,440 their rampage across the Empire. The Electric Count of Sylvania 219 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,400 may still be a vampire, but it's his duty to stop the greenskins 220 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:31,560 from rampaging across his land. So here's where he decided to 221 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:36,000 hold the horde with his undead. I even took my little vampire 222 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,200 mini who I couldn't include in the game as inferted. 223 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,080 They're extremely expensive. Point what point wise? 224 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,960 So he just sat with a little entourage in the ruins watching 225 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:52,200 the battle take place. We finished setting up, we had 226 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:58,120 some lunch and then we dove in. So I rolled to go 1st and I sent 227 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:03,240 my death riders up the left flank through the river. 228 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:07,920 And I figured, you know, they can go through difficult terrain 229 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,800 and very difficult terrain and there's no hindrance to them and 230 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:14,120 they can even go through buildings and and bridges at 231 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:18,160 half rate. And then I sent my carrion up 232 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:23,040 over the pigsty to land behind a farmhouse to keep him screened 233 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,280 from errors. But working out those flying 234 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:31,080 rules is something else altogether quite different to to 235 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,760 forfeit. It's we kind of need a degree in 236 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,480 trigonometry to sort of work it out. 237 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:41,240 But we did sort of I sent my chariot up the right flank with 238 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:46,240 my play cut tucked in behind it. So to give extra strength 239 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,880 against instability to the chariot and also the grim 240 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,800 reapers just to the side of it and just shielding from arrows. 241 00:16:54,800 --> 00:17:01,320 So yeah, the the 3rd Ed rules for artillery are not amazing. 242 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,720 I think it makes them really overpowered, but in White Dwarf 243 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:10,200 147 they came out with the rules for artillery that you use in 244 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,319 fourth head but just before 4th head was released. 245 00:17:13,319 --> 00:17:17,480 So still technically we're using 3rd Ed rules, just later 3rd Ed 246 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,079 rules. So we're using essentially 4th 247 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,160 Ed rules for artillery. So I overshot with the skull 248 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,880 tracker and I had the the one skeleton on the chariot with a 249 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:36,280 bow and of course he missed with his ballistic skill of two, he's 250 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,480 not going to do very much, but you know, may as well have 251 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,080 something to do. In the shooting phase. 252 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,560 The the grim reapers shambled forwards and I left my zombies 253 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:49,240 as a meet a rotted meat shield in front of the necromancer. 254 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,840 And he did really well in the magic phase. 255 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:56,480 He summoned four more death riders to create another little 256 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:01,000 mini unit. Let's look at the next picture, 257 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:03,560 Greenskins, or move forward next. 258 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,320 It's funny the the giant just beginning the game, he had to 259 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,920 roll up on a chart to see what he's going to be like. 260 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:16,280 And he turned out to be drunk and he moved sort of haphazardly 261 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:21,520 forwards in a random manner. And at that point, this is my 262 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,600 grave error. I thought, you know, not to 263 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,760 worry about him too much. But yeah, that turned out to be 264 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:31,480 a bit of a mistake. And the wolf Red has ran up my 265 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:37,400 left flank to meet my death riders and his Arab boys shot my 266 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,960 chariot to shed. So chariot disappeared pretty 267 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:45,480 quickly. So my turn again and the death 268 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,040 riders, they can ignore the difficult terrain. 269 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:53,040 So they charged the wolf riders across the river and and going 270 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:56,400 through the bridge, the wolf riders are making their way 271 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,560 between 2 farm buildings in a sort of alleyway. 272 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:04,160 And I sent my carrying up from behind them to sort of make a 273 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,760 trap. There was nowhere they could go. 274 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,400 There's death riders in front of them and the Karen behind them, 275 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,320 the buildings on the other side. Because the chariot had been 276 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,640 shot to ship. I turned the play cut around and 277 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,000 moved it sort of backwards so that he wouldn't have the same 278 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,600 fate as the chariot. And I scored a hit with the cut 279 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,240 of bolt and killed a couple of Hawks. 280 00:19:30,120 --> 00:19:33,280 They passed their few tests because they had the general 281 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,320 with them. So having charged the wolf 282 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:42,320 riders, the gobbos being gobbos failed their few tests and they 283 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,040 routed. But being trapped between the 284 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,760 buildings and my units, they ran straight into the waiting 285 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:52,400 carrion and were destroyed. My necromancer then raised 286 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:57,320 another six death riders to add to my ever growing new unit, 287 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,640 which ended up being bigger than my other unit of death riders, 288 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:05,480 which is great. And yeah, the Greenskins then 289 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:11,080 continued more forward and they shot a couple more zombies and 290 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,400 then three fanatics jumped out. And they were whirling around 291 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,800 dangerously between our units and one of them managed to wrap 292 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,880 a chain around his own neck and he was there. 293 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,960 Yeah. This is where things started to 294 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,640 go wrong for me. I was over confident and I 295 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,720 thought I'd send my victorious death riders flush from their 296 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,480 victory against the Wolf riders to circle around the enemy that 297 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,640 attempts to capture their baggage car. 298 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,120 Or that's another thing about you can get into a bit later, 299 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:44,520 the baggage cart. I love that. 300 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:50,360 Or the sort of circle, circle behind the Arab boys and the 301 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:55,040 zombies then met the goblins that were across from them head 302 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,520 on. Once the fanatics had sort of 303 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,560 spun out of danger. I think the fanatics must have 304 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,640 killed a few zombies. I can't exactly remember, but I 305 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,440 think one, yeah, one of them must have. 306 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,200 And then sort of welled himself out. 307 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,040 And then my new unit of death writers at my necromancer had 308 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,320 summoned, met the old boys with the general in the middle of the 309 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,880 table, and the drunk giant charged my grim reapers. 310 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,280 He then rolled up on the drunk giant the drunk giant chart and 311 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,960 decided he was having a lot of fun being drunk drunk and he 312 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,880 wanted to dance. So I thought this would be good 313 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,080 for me as he was jumping up and down. 314 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,280 But it turns out that causes a shit ton of damage and he wanted 315 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,680 to keep jumping up and down for the rest of the rest of the 316 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,440 game. So he smashed the grim reapers 317 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:51,680 with the undead hero down very, very quickly and the zombies and 318 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,680 death riders couldn't do much against their opposing gobos and 319 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:00,880 or boys with the battle sort of grinding down to a scrum, each 320 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,320 side winning or losing in this mechanic in 3rd that I really 321 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,400 like is when you lose a battle, you get pushed back. 322 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,280 So all the units it really it kind of makes this a more mobile 323 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,080 battlefield line and it's not just sort of a big free for all 324 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,640 in the middle of the table. Things get pushed around and 325 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,560 moved around and you know, you end up bumping into other units 326 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,160 which cause other things to happen. 327 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,160 And don't worry, there are rules for that too. 328 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,520 I was very lucky as well, because every time I'd lost a 329 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,880 round of combat, as you generally do with skeletons, I 330 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,120 had to roll up on the instability chart. 331 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,760 But each time I rolled really well, and all the units that had 332 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:46,560 been killed then were raised immediately back and joined my 333 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,440 regiments. This happened two or three turns 334 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,280 in a row. So my units in the middle of the 335 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,560 table at least weren't weren't disappearing. 336 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,680 And my carrion then I got him to charge in the side flank of the 337 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,480 goblins that were already engaged with the zombies. 338 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,640 And the Karen's really interesting because every time 339 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:08,080 the after each round of combat, he gets bigger and bigger and 340 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:12,720 you add another attack after each round of combat as a 341 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,560 little, a little Wraith on his back gets bigger and bigger. 342 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,880 And I thought that you know, the goblins being goblins being 343 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,800 attacked from the front and the rear by units causing fear would 344 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,160 run, but they didn't because they were still so close to the 345 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,920 to the general, the unit right next to them. 346 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,000 I guess the goblins were more afraid of the big ol boss than 347 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,280 the undead flying beasts, so they didn't run, but they held 348 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,720 firm. And of course, my catapot 349 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:45,160 misfired just as I got the range right, fell apart and it killed, 350 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,480 killed all the crew around it just as it does. 351 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:53,440 Yep. And my death riders who had had 352 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:58,200 sent on their way around to sort of outflank the Arab boys and 353 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,840 capture the baggage truck, they had run too far away from any 354 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,440 controlling force. I didn't have an undead hero in 355 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,600 with them. So they all sort of just fell 356 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:13,360 apart, which was, you know, to my detriment. 357 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,240 And yeah, at this point I started to panic as the drunk 358 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:24,040 dancing giant was having so much fun and getting carried carried 359 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,080 away, jumping up and down every round of combat. 360 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:30,240 So he smashed my entire regiment of Grim reapers to pieces and 361 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,680 there was nothing between him and my necromancer. 362 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,000 This is where the funniest part of the battle took place. 363 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,640 So I had nothing between the giant and the necromancer. 364 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,000 And you know, it wouldn't be so difficult for him just to stomp 365 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,280 him immediately. And all my other units were 366 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,080 engaged in hand to hand combat except for one. 367 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,760 That was my play card. So I charged the play card into 368 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,800 the giant. And yeah, play card is not meant 369 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,120 to be used offensively as weak as Pierce. 370 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,160 He's just got that, that one little guy on the back who has 371 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,160 one attack with the, you know, with his weapon skill of two. 372 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:14,560 And the ox doesn't do anything. So the giant dumped up and down 373 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,160 and stomped on it and he snaps the play card in half. 374 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,840 However, the axle of the cart pierced into the giant and 375 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,640 caused a wound after destroying everything. 376 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,000 The play cart was the only thing that that caused any damage to 377 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,280 the giant. So I was like wow, yeah great. 378 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:36,640 It's caused a wound. How many wounds has he had left? 379 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:43,480 He's got 5 wounds left. My whole regiment have been 380 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,000 reapers with an undead hero. Couldn't cause a scratch on the 381 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,880 guy, but the plucky play card caused a wound, so there was 382 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,920 that. I used my last remaining magic 383 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,200 points, desperately trying to raise some more skeletons to put 384 00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,960 between my necromancer and the giant. 385 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:03,640 But, you know, as these things do, I rolled pitifully and only 386 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,920 managed to raise 2. At this stage. 387 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,800 We'd been at it for over six hours and it was getting late. 388 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,960 It was clear what would happen in a turn or so. 389 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,320 Giant would just stomp on my necromancer and that was that. 390 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:24,720 So we called it a day. I had really high expectations 391 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,440 for the game, but really they were exceeded by a mile. 392 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,800 I knew it would be really fun that one thing I found really 393 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,880 interesting. What I wasn't really prepared 394 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,120 for was, you know, the absolute majesty of the spectacle of 395 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:44,240 seeing 80s minis on such a perfect table straight out of a 396 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,520 white dwarf. Zodi Vix's minis and his terrain 397 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,720 so well crafted and painted. It was like really easy to get 398 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:55,520 immersed in what was happening. It just, it all looked so 399 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,880 cinematic. I could just, you know, see the 400 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,400 death riders galloping silently through the trees and could hear 401 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,040 the wolves howling, imagining the occupants of the farmhouses, 402 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,520 you know, huddling terrified under their beds. 403 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,600 They could just see the giant jumping up and down on the 404 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,840 Stelly Boys until they were a pile of dust. 405 00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:17,280 It was just amazing. I'd say. 406 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,920 Yeah. It's the most fun I'd had in a 407 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,560 long time. And I really can't wait to play 408 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,320 play again. Zodi Dix is a gentleman and a 409 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,040 scholar and I consider myself lucky to have him as an opponent 410 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:33,680 and now as a friend. He's a absolute top bloke. 411 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:35,920 Brilliant mate. That's great. 412 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,840 Really happy for you. Because yeah, when you show me 413 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,120 those those photos like we talked about, I was so happy 414 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:45,120 that you could have experienced your first game with such a 415 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:48,440 beautiful looking table. But then I thought, if he's 416 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,560 going to give you like the proper 3rd edition experience, 417 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,560 maybe he should have just stuck with the the tablecloth and the 418 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,760 books underneath the tablecloth, ribs and the heroes and 419 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,720 everything like we did back in the day, and play on the floor, 420 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,640 You know what I mean? And yeah, I think we're we're 421 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,800 getting too old. I don't begun each container. 422 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:09,200 No, no, certainly mine couldn't. Yeah, but, yeah, but just, you 423 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,960 know, like having played a game with 3rd and looking back on it, 424 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,920 you know, it's, it's really complex and it's, you know, it's 425 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,440 crunchy as it comes, but it's, it's so much fun. 426 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,080 You don't really notice all that crunch. 427 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,600 You can see it's, it's really, it's meant for creating a 428 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,080 narrative and it really excels at that. 429 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,560 You know, we spent the whole day laughing at all the crazy stuff 430 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,320 that was happening. And, you know, in the end, 431 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,600 that's what it's all about, right? 432 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,240 That's that's what you're there. For yeah. 433 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,520 One, one thing that you know, I found really complicated though, 434 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,960 was the movement mechanics with all the different, was that the 435 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,160 simple and complex manoeuvres and the different penalties for 436 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,440 being encumbered and moving through different types of 437 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:56,080 terrain and carrying different amounts of weapons and Shields 438 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,720 and armor. And the reserve moves the wheels 439 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,480 and turns, formation changes ranks and wedges and shield 440 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,120 walls and Wheeling forwards, Wheeling backwards, Wheeling 441 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:13,040 from the centre, making squares into studios, snaking and all 442 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,640 those complex flying rules, which, you know, you needed 443 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:20,120 masters in maths to sort of work out that, you know, I think it 444 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,480 is you can master it. And you know, I've, I've played 445 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,480 one game and of course it seems complex that point, but you 446 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,600 know, I think after a couple of games you'd sort of get used to 447 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,120 it. One thing I did really enjoy was 448 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,160 the reserve, the move. I feel it really adds a new 449 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:42,080 level of strategy to the game because you know, you move, then 450 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,200 you depending on how shooting and combat went, you can then 451 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,120 move the units which didn't shoot or fight and sort of 452 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,760 position them ready to receive a charge or to be in a position 453 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,680 better position to charge or to shoot better next round. 454 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,880 I really like that. I know it slows things down, but 455 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:02,000 but I think it's worth that for the sort of level of tactics 456 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,280 that it gives. You also really like the fact 457 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,200 that you have to take a baggage cart and you know the different 458 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,000 I think you get 100 victory points if you capture it. 459 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:16,400 And there's all these funny rules about what happens when 460 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,840 you get close to it. You know you can't, you know, 461 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,200 your units might end up fighting each other to get all the booty 462 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,160 or things like half things can't help themselves. 463 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:30,280 They have to run to the to get all the food or to being undead. 464 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,240 You don't really need to worry about that. 465 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,640 They don't need a baggage cut because you know, skeletons 466 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:39,000 don't eat. I also really like the magic 467 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,240 system. I know a lot of people talk 468 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,240 about how it gets really crazy at higher levels, but I really 469 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,120 like the idea of having a limited number of magic points 470 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,960 and that you kind of have to use it as a finite resource. 471 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,160 I like at the beginning of the game as well, rolling up on the 472 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,080 table to see what spells should have. 473 00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,160 Like it randomizes that, I guess kind of like how what you do 474 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:05,120 with drafting in Source and Renaissance and you know, you 475 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,800 can get your wizard and he can meditate and do nothing for a 476 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,760 turn. But then you only get one point, 477 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,320 which is, you know, really nothing. 478 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,440 As at least for me with my necromancer at that level in 479 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,080 that game, I needed at least three points to do anything. 480 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,200 So it's kind of like the whole level of strategy to sort of, 481 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,320 you know, do you use them all at once in one big go or do you 482 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,520 sort of how do you how do you manage them? 483 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,760 I really liked all the RPG elements and all the tables and 484 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,240 charts to roll up against it really like adds a lot of depth 485 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,120 and makes makes it a lot of fun. I'd also really love to to try a 486 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,920 game with AGM. Think AGM controlling the game 487 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:49,440 and you know, controlling like the NPCS on the board and adding 488 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,960 different elements like whether or changing, you know, the 489 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,240 scenario in the big game. I think that'd be really fun. 490 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,800 One thing that what's also really different was the two hit 491 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,000 chart. So say it's like the weapon 492 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,120 strength of weapon skill, sorry of both opponents is the same. 493 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,720 Like say that's three verse 3 and you know normally you need a 494 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,520 fourth to a four to hit, but in 3rd you need a 5. 495 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:21,520 So it's like one up. And I understand why they did 496 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,640 that because, you know, you think 2 equally matched 497 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,080 opponents would have difficulty trap hitting each other. 498 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,800 But I find it it really slows down the game and it in and not 499 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,000 in a good way because, you know, they're just sitting there like 500 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,480 no one can really hit each other or it takes a really long time. 501 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,200 And like mathematically the end result will be the same. 502 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,680 If you have to roll on pives or rolls on fours, it just takes a 503 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,080 lot longer. And, you know, if you're, you 504 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,880 know, a teenager in the 80s and you've got nothing else to do, 505 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:56,000 then that's fine. But I think you know, and I know 506 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,920 a small sort of heel playing skirmish using 3rd Ed rules that 507 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:02,840 would be fine. But you know, big units of 25 or 508 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,440 more. It just takes forever to resolve 509 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:10,040 the combat. An idea of Zodibexes, which I, I 510 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,960 really like is to do a combination of third and 4th, 511 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,920 sort of like a 3.5 where you can do all the cool things that 512 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:22,400 third lets you do, like use a 3rd Ed magic and army lists and 513 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,440 you know, wedges and shield wars and all that. 514 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,760 That using the movement and flying rules for 4th and using 515 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,320 the 4th to hit table just to speed things up. 516 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,640 Be like having a warhammer and essence but for 3rd Ed. 517 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,360 Yeah, yeah. Next time we'll takes time. 518 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,320 We'll give that a go. Yeah, yeah. 519 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:49,520 Now the now the dream is to have a siege game that might, that 520 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,440 might take a while, that it will happen. 521 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,320 And I'm really looking forward to that. 522 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,800 And yeah, I mean, if there's anyone out there in Sydney who 523 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,400 wants to play a game of 3rd Ed, feel free to contact me on 524 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:10,280 Discord. I'm Beowulf BEOWALF in southern 525 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,679 Sydney, Australia. Awesome mate. 526 00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,239 That's great. So thanks Emil for for giving us 527 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,880 your insights into your very first game of 3rd edition. 528 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,000 I'm sure we're going to elaborate and expand on that 529 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,320 later. I'm thinking about doing like a 530 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:29,920 series of the Bob book, the Big Orange book, but broken down 531 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,159 into different segments. So like movement, shooting hand 532 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:38,600 in combat, magic, the beastry and the Army's book, and 533 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,800 eventually all the other supplements that came out as 534 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,120 well. So that's something we're to 535 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,960 touch on later in a probably a series of of podcasts bringing 536 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,280 experts in. I'm no expert at 3rd edition. 537 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,400 I don't know much about it. Like you say, it's it's a pretty 538 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,679 complex beast, especially if you had no sort of formal playing 539 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,120 experience with it. So, but I have tried, I have 540 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,600 tried getting in touch with Brett at Solo Oldhammer Gaming 541 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,880 and he's he's still alive, thank goodness. 542 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,640 He released a video not so long ago and I'm pretty sure he's in 543 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,640 the Sydney area too, but he's just so Brett, if you're 544 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,120 listening to this mate, please get get in touch because there 545 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:17,560 are people playing third edition. 546 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,240 So I'd love to see you expand from being a solo war gamer of 547 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:24,800 3rd edition, but actually playing it with people in 548 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,560 person. So that'd be really nice to see 549 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,760 you having the guys over to your, to your house and playing 550 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,600 a third edition battle report and and that kind of thing. 551 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:36,680 Maybe in the future. But but yeah, we've got plenty 552 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,200 of things obviously to ask about. 553 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,440 There's there's lots of things like the baggage cart, like how 554 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,640 fanatics work, you know, how does magic impact the game? 555 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:53,360 Magical musical instruments for your units and stuff like that 556 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,360 and how armies are constructed. So we'll have to cover those in 557 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,000 future episodes on the Chronicle Man podcasts. 558 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,800 But Emil, thank you so much again for your time today, mate, 559 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,120 and I look forward to, yeah, tackling this and getting more 560 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:09,920 into grips with 3rd edition in the future. 561 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:12,960 Yeah, no worries. Thanks have beyond. 562 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,520 No problem mate. We'll catch up with you soon and 563 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,400 anybody like Emil said, if you want to get in touch with Emil 564 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,320 or any other guys, we do hang out on Discord. 565 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,560 I, I, I, I talk about this quite often. 566 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,320 I don't really, I don't really go onto Facebook so much these 567 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,280 days. So sorry about that guys if 568 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,120 you're on Facebook, but we do hang out on Discord a lot and I 569 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,600 tend to live in that Discord space because there are so many 570 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:42,160 great channels like ours who who love this part of the hobby in 571 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,600 this era of the hobby. So if you're interested, check 572 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:48,840 out the description below for the links and join our Discord 573 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:54,200 and get in touch with the Play Player Locator channel and maybe 574 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,960 you'll find someone in your area that plays the same Go games 575 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,800 that you like to play. Not necessarily 3rd edition 1A 576 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,120 fantasy, but it could be like 6th edition fantasy. 577 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,720 It could be third edition 40K, it could be anything, could be 578 00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:09,960 row trader, you name it. We've got a growing community. 579 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:15,000 I think it's swelled up to now almost 900 members, which is 580 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,840 amazing, and we've had a big influx of people coming through 581 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,680 recently. So it's always encouraging to 582 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,760 see that there's a growing community there in Discord and 583 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,480 that we're trying to connect people together. 584 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,640 Like you have done a meal with Zodi Bix. 585 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,280 Zodi Bix has got a fantastic Instagram page. 586 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:33,840 I'll leave a link in the description as well. 587 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,840 Go and check it out. Go to see his work. 588 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,240 It's really inspiring, but we'll leave it for now mate. 589 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,920 Thanks again. And Emil, we'll get in contact 590 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,040 soon and but apart from that we can chat on our discord mate as 591 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,640 we paint and and hang out that way. 592 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,600 Awesome. OK mate, will you take care of 593 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,480 yourself and we'll catch up soon?