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From the fabled, fiery forges of
the Sunderland of our Clash. 

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Comes con forecast, join us. 
As we battle on the front lines 

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of a continent lost in darkness,
at the time of the Ragnarok. 

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For we are here, not for silence
or Slumber confrontation. 

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So, Two undercover cars today, 
I'm joined with the James. 

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James, are you going? 
I'm doing great. 

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Thanks for having me. 
No, mate. 

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Thank you very much again for 
coming on. 

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Such short notice. 
As I did get the X M mixed up 

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again. 
I'm really apologize about that 

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but you're known as non sequitur
on the confrontation Discord. 

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That's right. 
Isn't it? 

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Yes, right. 
Okay. 

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And, and you were part of the 
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recently on the, on the Channel.
And thank you for that. 

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That was a really fun scenario 
play. 

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So if anybody has not seen it, 
go to the YouTube channel, 

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crying the command and check out
the battle report between the 

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mid gnawed orbs and the tenor. 
Boar. 

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Yeah, that was really cool. 
Cool scenario to play and I hope

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we can extend that in maybe like
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the future. 
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writing it out and that's 
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And I hope you guys keep 
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I'd love to see more. 
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hoping that me and Paul could 
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I was actually painting up some 
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their two together today because
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points painted up for this 
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could get a game in. 
But I do not see how we go. 

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But I really want to play with 
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I've got the models. 
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play, like a 300 point game yet,
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to playing them. 
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think they're probably like, my 
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like all the models so far. 
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my favorite but I don't need to 
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mid nor fan yourself, aren't you
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I sure am mid nor is definitely 
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I typically get into the crunch 
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Shinde this this mid nor was the
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a game ever demanded that I play
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I saw the colony of mid nor the 
oldie for ass boxed set in a 

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game store and just had a moment
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And I need to check it out. 
That's actually how I got into 

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confrontation fell in love with 
the Miniatures, right? 

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And was it the first miniature 
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No. 
So I first got into miniature 

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gaming with Warhammer 40K and I 
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started with tyranids moved into
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with Eldar. 
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confrontation. 
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art style reminded me of the 
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He's a really popular fantasy 
artist, or if you've seen The 

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Dark Crystal or labyrinths that,
Jim Henson's kind of aesthetic. 

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Blew me away, sucked me right 
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convert and Owen It was all over
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Yeah, we're hoping Owen can join
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If he's if it's possible or in 
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yeah, be really great to have 
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like, just super. 
Super like he's one of the most 

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passionate people about the 
confrontation of actually met so

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far. 
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but, you know, that's cool, 
mate, that's great. 

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So you sort of you sort of got 
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is that right, third? 
Mission was my first litigation.

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Third Edition was also, my 
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I never played see to, I got in 
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supplement drops toward the end.
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And what was it? 
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during that time, you know, 
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Confrontation and North America?
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demoing it with their sort of 
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was playing it. 
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it was popular as live. 
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consensus was really unanimous 
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the art Direction, nobody had 
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they had the the paint jobs that
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unparalleled. 
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anything. 
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like what was going on with 
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It was being played in the game.
Store I kind of played with my 

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own group of people, I'd 
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competitively very much. 
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tournaments. 
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management job and I didn't have
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Connor to go out of town for 
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who's also known as berga net 
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He did most of the competitive 
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So Rod is great. 
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Cool. 
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because you know, like doing I 
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There was nothing. 
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in Melbourne or Sydney to be 
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social group of active players. 
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have. 
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models painting talking about 
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learning the game and that kind 
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That'd be awesome, was midnight,
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only Action you've ever played? 
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factions mid, nor was the first 
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I kind of learned the game with 
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I also played Alchemists of 
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competitively and then I came 
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the game died and I play mid nor
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So I don't generally break those
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got a fairly large collection of
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So, usually what I'll do is I'll
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two, you know, take it out of 
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borrow one of his. 
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and then go back to Mid Norm 
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What I was returned to And one 
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like all the people who come 
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pretty important one. 
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people coming in now with maybe 
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I've had like Stewart Thomas one
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talking about confrontation 
picking up the catalog looking 

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through there, not knowing what 
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like thinking wow this this 

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looks amazing. 
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Miniatures are incredible but 
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it but nowadays As we sort of, 
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a bit of a rebirth, so to speak 
and meet some people are finding

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their collections. 
You find those people online all

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the time and Facebook saying, 
hey guys, what's this what I've 

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got, I just found this, or 
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So getting back into the game 
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you give to people, you know, 
just starting out and wanting to

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play confrontation? 
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advice for getting back into the
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first time, it would be Play it 
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I mean it's a dead game, right? 
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at this point. 
There's not really a competitive

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scene, although people who love 
the game still compete, it would

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be embrace, the rule system for 
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It's a little bit clunky 
compared to a lot of modern 

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systems and because it was 
translated, but I will say, it's

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just probably the best game 
engine. 

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I've seen, really, I love the 
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I love the card sequencing. 
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separated from You know, even in
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models will carry out their 
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then they're kind of done, 
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interplay, you know, between the
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So that everybody's got stuff to
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makes the game breathe, in my 
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other games don't. 
So, I would say, you know, Love 

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the system for what it is 
recognized, how different 

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special. 
It is compared to other games 

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and really get into it. 
There's all kinds of fun, fun 

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stuff. 
You know, the there are balance 

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issues. 
Of course, anybody who's 

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familiar with the game system 
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But there's so much love and 
attention and fun that went into

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almost every profile and you 
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artifacts and the Miracles, it's
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So I would say fall in love with
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Cool. 
Okay, so someone who's got some 

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Miniatures, and I get asked 
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what point level to start out 
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army. 
Could you give advice to people 

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about that? 
Yeah, I certainly would, of 

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course, say to someone who's new
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Start with like 125, AP, work 
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I think if you're new to the 
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crunch, maybe limit the number 
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competitive standpoint to 
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the game, but if you're looking 
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don't get bogged down or don't 
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cognitive load. 
Just enjoy taking those Thirty 

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to forty Point Minis that are 
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quicker and it will keep things 
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Probably don't start with 
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Play a few games, we are just 
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And basic scenarios, you can use
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book, but I find this to be 
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the gdr packet because they'll 
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I think confrontation is this 
amazing rules engine, but if 

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you're just fighting in the 
middle of the board, it can't 

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really Fly Above other game 
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the potential to I think you 
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play interesting scenarios like 
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Yes, that's that's really 
interesting. 

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Yeah, I found that too. 
I found it is very lackluster. 

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In terms of actually, you know, 
what's the purpose? 

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What's the motivation of what 
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I looked at now, when you talk 
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kind of thing, what these kind 
of resources, where are they 

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available now? 
You know, I found the gdr packet

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just with a Google search. 
That was a over a year ago, the 

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community can certainly hook you
up, you can go to confrontation 

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tools.com to get profiles. 
You might be able to find the 

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gdr packets there. 
But certainly anybody who wants 

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to can go to the confrontation 
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If you put out that you're 
looking for it, I'm sure the 

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veterans will line up to, to put
that into your hands. 

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Yeah, I'm confidential pills, I 
think is a really good resource 

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as well. 
So, there are ya online came 

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online, sites websites, where 
they're sort of got a lot of the

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files stored on there and a lot 
of the cards cards are a big 

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issue. 
But of course, with the app with

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Confrontation Club that's sort 
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of those problems with the cards
in terms of, you know, making 

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lists. 
And that kind of thing. 

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Do you guys actively uses the 
app as well? 

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You know, I don't, but that's 
only because I've played the 

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game for 20 years, I kind of 
know, most of the game, 

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backward, and forward. 
I don't really need the app. 

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What I typically will do though,
is, I will go to confrontation 

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pills and use those images to 
print cards and then slip them. 

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The pouches with with regular 
cards of one kind or another, as

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a backing to have a physical 
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that the app is good. 
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of the community should use the 
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they can build lists quickly and
easily the app is certainly not 

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perfect but I think it's a great
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thing. 
So it's easy to use. 

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I would definitely recommend it.
Yeah and beautiful to look at. 

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Definitely I play a lot with 
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actually just in my A free time 
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I'm today I to wait, you know, 
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somewhere to for do some stuff 
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or checking profiles or you know
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I really enjoy the aspect of 
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because I don't have the cards 
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because, you know, not only, you
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but for spells and artifacts and
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And what can, you know, which 
protocol can use white. 

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So the app sort of, you know, 
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away from you in giving a very 
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run the line kind of way of 
saying, okay, well this is your,

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you know, awk spell user and 
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These are the spells that he can
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you sort of just add them to 
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really really interesting. 
Ting and very useful app to use 

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when playing the game. 
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phenomenal Point. 
That's one of the best things 

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about that app is that it gives 
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to that character. 
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years later. 
Of course, the app would have 

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come out with the game. 
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great that way. 
Do you see a future full 

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confrontation at all you know, 
possibly it just depends on 

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what's going on with Continuum. 
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waiting to see How that shakes 
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We're hope we're chopping at the
bit. 

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I know I am for the rules to be 
released so that we can start 

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checking them out and start 
playing using those models. 

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think in the absence of 
something like Continuum, the 

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game can certainly persist, it 
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it's going to grow in the way 
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right? 
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that's out there and being 
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commercial future of the game as
far as rebuilding the community.

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Until then we, we do have really
enthusiastic veterans who are, 

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you know, going to gaming 
conventions. 

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Sweet has an annual tournament, 
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person who is absolutely 
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a Grassroots kind of community 
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So I think that's all awesome 
stuff. 

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Yeah, I think it jumps back on 
because he just ran his annual 

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sort of event didn't eat. 
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feedback. 
Back on that at some point catch

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up with him to talk about that. 
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going to ask you about the 
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Confrontation that are now 
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split up in different groups, 
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and you have you know, just 
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Which particular system. 
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personally? 
I like 3.5 I have not read the 

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rules for Evo or Come feed. 
I did learn Legacy because I 

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went to the CWI event in 2020, 
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And I have always preferred 3.5 
the, the and it's not because we

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don't like anybody or don't care
for their systems. 

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It's because with the game 
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of like everybody needs to. 
If you're going to come 

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together, right? 
With people who aren't your 

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normal play partners, then you 
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way and you need to agree on 
what that's going to be. 

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So that was the Last official 
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That's the way everybody played 
the game. 

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So that's the way we've 
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personal take on it. 
But I would certainly welcome 

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anybody to play confrontation in
any way that they would like 

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Nick. 
I'm sort of in that boat as 

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well. 
Like you know I think me and 

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Paul as we're the only two 
people playing yeah. 

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In Japan. 
Atlas we're like okay well what 

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you want to do because we're 
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trying to find our way around. 
What's the best way to play 

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confrontation? 
Is it 3.0 straight 3.5. 

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Yeah, I'm not too sure. 
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other variants and I was even 
looking at version 2 of it as 

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well because someone certainly a
PDF of that translates onto 

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translated it. 
The second edition rules, which 

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looks interesting to just for 
the whole Incarnation aspect of 

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Confrontation, which really 
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heroes can grow and they have 
their own story. 

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travel packs and journey packs 

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and that kind of thing for them 
that, that side of Confrontation

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interests me a lot. 
But I think at its heart, you 

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know, just in the big black 
book, you know, 3.0, it's still 

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a really, really good game in 
there as well. 

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And I think if I didn't have to 
change anything and I'd actually

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prefer it if there was nothing, 
nothing else like it was just 

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3.0 and that was it, you know, 
and everyone just play 3.0 but 

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you know, it's a good too far 
beyond that. 

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Now Yeah but it is exciting to 
see you know what are these sort

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of grassroot type projects 
coming up? 

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Now with Continuum of course and
that's very hopeful. 

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So make just talk us through mid
nor because I know it's your 

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beloved faction and I'm still 
getting into it. 

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And what would you say would be 
your optimal 300-point list or 

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400-point AP list? 
Sure. 

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So I made a list for CWI last 
year that I think is probably 

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about the best build I have for 
Mid, nor it's a tell Cyril, who 

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is a zealot? 
Which is a second level faithful

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for Mid. 
Nor he relies on a complement of

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five Scourge bearers for 
generally. 

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Getting the grunt work done, he 
has a war staff in that 

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particular build. 
Its the as a here colony which 

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gives him leadership so that he 
can have a war staff couple of 

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halberdiers To Sentinels and to 
Prowlers and I'll break that 

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down for you. 
The list is about 15 models. 

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To start a causal role does are 
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Even when I got into the game 
back in third edition, everybody

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knew about that. 
It's a you summon essentially, 

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to Shadow, monsters around total
of five Max. 

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So the Army has the capability 
to go up to 25 models and then 

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with as a here, gives him 
leadership, but also the benefit

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of every time you kill 50 AP, AP
of your opponent's Army, you put

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another model out on the table 
that's representing people that 

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you've stolen away and butchered
and turned into your own kind. 

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So it's basically very big on 
medium to low quality troops. 

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Hi, Numbers. 
It's got a couple of Scouts in 

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the Sentinels which are higher 
than normal movement, kind of 

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modeling stats, but they're not 
too expensive and Prowlers are 

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your heaviest hitters at 31 
Points each their speed 15. 

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So the Sentinels and the 
Prowlers bring the mobility that

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the faction needs Scourge. 
Bearers have one of the most 

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efficient stat lines in the 
faction with an eight strength 

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and an effective seven 
resilience because they're five 

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with hard-boiled. 
So you've got kind of a medium 

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toughness all Around. 
You've got large numbers, you've

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got good discipline, you can 
replace losses with summoning 

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and with getting a new models. 
As you kill your, opponents are 

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me. 
It's really good for attrition 

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and it's actually very good for 
objectives as well because you 

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have the numbers to go do stuff 
with cheap models. 

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Your army can't really get 
crippled by losing any single 

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model. 
It's the best build that I was 

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able to come up with for the 
faction. 

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Overall, I would just caution 
anybody who's going to get into 

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the faction. 
It's not a good faction. 

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It's got a lot of issues. 
Mechanical standpoint. 

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But I do love the models and 
that particular build I think is

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pretty strong. 
Yeah - sounds really good. 

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Yeah the scores berries I love 
those models. 

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I mean other models are 
incredible. 

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Yeah. 
This love them. 

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Yeah I just I just yeah 
something about those particular

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Miniatures. 
I don't know what it is but it's

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just like those in the hydrat, 
the the, the Cyclops as well. 

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There's something just, yeah. 
That I don't know. 

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There are so different to I 
think the middle as well. 

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Well, from anything else I've 
ever seen in fantasy, you know, 

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there will cause the hors 
d'oeuvres. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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They'll sort of these, you know,
just the design of them were 

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just so far out and so different
from anything else out there at 

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that time. 
And, yeah, far as being 

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everything to, yeah, for me, one
of the things that I fell in 

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love with was they had this 
charm to them that you don't see

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with most models where they have
these things called canopic 

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dolls, which are supposed to 
hold the souls of the actual 

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dwarves, that, you know, have 
been taken. 

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One of the things that was mine.
Lowing for me. 

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As I got into the factionless to
find out that the dwarves aren't

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actually dwarves there. 
Whatever. 

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Climbed inside them that's kind 
of wearing them like skins while

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The Souls of the dwarves are 
supposed to be imprisoned in 

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those little dolls that they 
keep around on them. 

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So just visually incredible. 
They've got this, you know, 

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unique visual aesthetic that 
ties in with their fluff. 

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There are so characterful. 
And yeah, you have these iconic 

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models like the Cyclops, which 
is just an unbelievable sculpt, 

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even 20 years later, it's 
incredible. 

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You have the Eamon Tower, you've
got the chest themed pieces from

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E, 4f Colony box set. 
There's nothing not to love 

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about the tourist from an 
aesthetic standpoint and from a 

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Fluff standpoint, their lord is 
great. 

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It's just unbelievable. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

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I think for painting, I think 
you're going to love painting 

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stitches because you'll be 
painting. 

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A lot of stitches. 
Yes! 

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All you some kind of contrast 
paint or Express Vallejo paint 

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or something like that and those
guys because yeah there's a lot 

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of details in those models but I
really enjoyed painting them 

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more than any Model from 
confrontation so far, it's been 

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really good as a hobby project. 
Yeah, been loving it. 

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And make. 
Are you a painter as well? 

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You sort of, do you sort of do 
that? 

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You sort of get involved in that
aspect of the hobby, absolutely.

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Yeah. 
I'm I am fortunate enough to 

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have several friends are all 
very strong painters there, even

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a little stronger than I am, but
I do paint pretty well, I put 

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over 100 hours of painting into 
the army that it took to see wi 

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last year so I definitely get 
Into that part of the hobby 

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quite a bit. 
One of the things I like about 

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the dwarves actually, is my 
hands aren't particularly steady

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so because they have their big 
heads, their faces are easy for 

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me to get good detail onto and 
they're just kind of bursting 

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with character. 
So even if I'm not the best 

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painter, they look great. 
When they're done the 

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proportions in the proportions 
are good for getting detail 

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onto, and the sculpts are pretty
clean. 

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So the stitches pop nicely. 
So it's easy to get your brush 

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onto that race. 
Surface and get a good clean 

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Stitch generally speaking. 
Hindi. 

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Yeah, now they were really, 
really cool faction and I think 

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also, one of the other strengths
in terms of the actual 

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Miniatures is that the really 
chunky and I've recently got 

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some some Griffin models that 
has been putting together, some 

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of the conscript guys. 
I mean, they're like super thin,

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they're like, wafer-thin, right?
And light and drilling holes in 

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their, in their wrists and that 
kind of thing to put on the 

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sword. 
And the Shields and then Jesse 

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I'm not into pinning. 
So one of the really nice things

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about midnight as you don't have
to do that. 

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That's one of the great things 
about because it all one piece 

448
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,900
and generally one piece models. 
And that's one of the things I 

449
00:23:48,908 --> 00:23:51,800
really liked about the earlier 
models, actually, because I 

450
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,900
looked at some of the other 
Griffin models that I had like, 

451
00:23:54,900 --> 00:23:58,200
way back in the day during first
and second edition and they're 

452
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,900
like super chunky. 
There were like Games, Workshop 

453
00:24:00,900 --> 00:24:03,600
models equivalent in that sort 
of scale and size and but 

454
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,400
they're all one piece. 
And you know they'll even the 

455
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:11,800
metal they use for them or a lot
more has lots to the tensile 

456
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,100
strength, a lot stronger and I 
don't know why maybe because of 

457
00:24:15,108 --> 00:24:17,500
the details, they wanted to 
capture on a lot of the other 

458
00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:19,500
models later. 
But they've got thinner and 

459
00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:23,800
thinner and smaller and smaller 
and the the metal got softer. 

460
00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:27,700
So if anybody started trying to 
getting back into confrontation 

461
00:24:27,900 --> 00:24:32,400
just be aware of that when you 
start trying to try to pin 

462
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,700
things and that kind of thing, 
it's not like modern Metal 

463
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,900
models, you know, they're very 
fragile. 

464
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,600
And yeah and the things about I 
like about dwarves and goblins 

465
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,100
in the mid door is that there 
and I suppose for woven as well 

466
00:24:48,100 --> 00:24:50,900
and devours is that they're 
super chunky. 

467
00:24:51,100 --> 00:24:54,200
And you know you can put the 
drill into those into their legs

468
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,200
and ankles and it kind of thing 
wasn't any worry. 

469
00:24:56,300 --> 00:25:02,400
So yeah any other advice you 
would have at all for somebody 

470
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,900
sort of just entering into 
confrontation that although for 

471
00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:08,400
new players. 
Let's see. 

472
00:25:08,500 --> 00:25:11,400
You mean like Advice right. 
Just general advice. 

473
00:25:11,500 --> 00:25:16,200
Yeah yeah I would say the 
factions the factions aren't 

474
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,600
balanced but that's not an 
issue. 

475
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,300
Unless you're taking the game 
kind of to a high level. 

476
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:27,200
I would say beware of high cost,
high cost models in casual games

477
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,400
can be very powerful. 
I don't think that they're 

478
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,700
generally good enough in your 
playing competitively but if 

479
00:25:32,700 --> 00:25:34,700
you're playing casual lists and 
people don't know what's going 

480
00:25:34,700 --> 00:25:36,800
on. 
High Point models can be 

481
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,500
wrecking balls, so just be 
careful. 

482
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,800
Careful about super high points 
at lines swinging games, all by 

483
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,300
themselves. 
I think it's great that they can

484
00:25:45,300 --> 00:25:48,000
do that, especially in casual 
games, be ready for that. 

485
00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:51,100
And I think one of the things 
that's actually kind of a bit of

486
00:25:51,100 --> 00:25:53,700
a culture shock, for new players
is always failing. 

487
00:25:53,700 --> 00:25:57,100
Your rolls on one. 
I would encourage players, not 

488
00:25:57,100 --> 00:26:01,600
to get put off by that and not 
to let it throw them especially 

489
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,500
during a game. 
Don't get rattled by it, you're 

490
00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:06,600
just going to fill one in every 
six rolls. 

491
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:08,900
It's going to happen. 
It's probably going to feel like

492
00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:12,800
a lot more than That when it's 
happening to you just let it be 

493
00:26:12,900 --> 00:26:15,100
keep playing the game. 
It doesn't make a game bad, 

494
00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:17,900
there's nothing wrong with it 
happens because the especially 

495
00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:19,300
because it happens to all 
players, right? 

496
00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:22,300
Everybody has the one schools 
failing schools, make your peace

497
00:26:22,300 --> 00:26:23,300
with it. 
Don't sweat it. 

498
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:25,500
Keep playing, have fun. 
I think it was that, I think it 

499
00:26:25,500 --> 00:26:27,300
was that game. 
I played actually with all the 

500
00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:32,900
false, the dorf, the with this 
team, you know, like with their 

501
00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:35,900
boilers and that kind of thing. 
And every time I rolled for the,

502
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,300
for steam, I rolled a one and it
was jinkx a game. 

503
00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:42,200
I You know what it was, but the 
second molar made for the, for 

504
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,700
the incident chart was like a 
five or six. 

505
00:26:44,700 --> 00:26:47,800
I got lucky, I think I got lucky
with that one and that nothing 

506
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,400
sort of exploded, but you're 
going to have, you're going to 

507
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,500
have days with it. 
We know with the dice it is 

508
00:26:52,500 --> 00:26:54,800
going to be against you and 
that's just part of the game but

509
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,400
I like that. 
I like the fact that it is a 1, 

510
00:26:57,900 --> 00:27:00,800
you know, you fail and then the 
six, you get to explode and roll

511
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,100
again, I really liked that sort 
of swinging part of the game. 

512
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,700
It means that, you know, if the 
odds are really stacked against 

513
00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:11,600
you, you got that You get that 
chance even all that 6 and you 

514
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,900
can roll again and maybe get 
another six and, you know, it 

515
00:27:14,900 --> 00:27:18,800
and it increases in and 
heightens that excitement and 

516
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,900
then when you get when you think
that, oh well, you're going to 

517
00:27:20,900 --> 00:27:23,200
get crushed and they roll a one.
You think I thank goodness for 

518
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,300
that they failed and you know, 
I've got a chance now escaping 

519
00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:30,300
this, you know, major 
catastrophe, possibly that they 

520
00:27:30,300 --> 00:27:32,800
could take my guy out. 
So yeah, I really like that 

521
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,200
aspect to the game. 
Actually, I don't find it at all

522
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:41,700
a downside to it. 
Now James just a quick, some 

523
00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:43,000
quick fire questions. 
Mate. 

524
00:27:43,300 --> 00:27:45,300
What's your all-time favorite 
model? 

525
00:27:45,300 --> 00:27:49,100
In the confrontation range? 
All-time favorite model in the 

526
00:27:49,100 --> 00:27:54,300
confrontation range, probably 
the demon Tower good show in the

527
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,500
when the E 4f boxed came out. 
I loved the castle. 

528
00:27:57,900 --> 00:28:03,400
You know, the Rook Stalin was 
not good and I think the model 

529
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,700
was great and super Charming, 
but I think that the sculptors 

530
00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:09,300
probably always wanted to do 
something like the demon Tower. 

531
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,400
And settled for the castle, you 
know, probably due to economic 

532
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,100
constraints. 
But I loved that they came back 

533
00:28:15,100 --> 00:28:17,000
and they were kind of like we 
want to do this, but we want to 

534
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,000
do a huge. 
It's, it's phenomenal. 

535
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,300
I mean, the models just great. 
You go. 

536
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:24,700
Look at it. 
He's busting with character. 

537
00:28:24,700 --> 00:28:28,300
He's basically a walking Castle.
He's got Gunners on the, uh, 

538
00:28:28,900 --> 00:28:30,900
huge sword bigger than the 
models. 

539
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,900
Wonderful? 
Goggle-eyed face the models just

540
00:28:34,900 --> 00:28:36,300
amazing. 
So that's probably my favorite 

541
00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:38,900
model and the same liquid. 
Yeah. 

542
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,100
Now, wonderful Choice made. 
I think it's on my shopping list

543
00:28:42,100 --> 00:28:45,900
now being with no player at some
point, I'll have to pick that up

544
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,500
from somewhere from some person 
who's willing to sell it to me 

545
00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:53,100
but yeah that's that's 
definitely one of the the 

546
00:28:53,100 --> 00:28:54,900
greatest models of that range 
for sure. 

547
00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:57,800
Apart from the Cyclops I think 
they're two of the biggest 

548
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,900
standouts for that. 
That group also think mid nor is

549
00:29:01,900 --> 00:29:05,100
just, it's full of amazing 
models at every level. 

550
00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:09,000
I think it's As a faction may be
one of the strongest 

551
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,200
aesthetically in the whole game,
which is saying a lot. 

552
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,400
It is, I think so hard, it's 
hard to pick but I think that's 

553
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,300
the one for me. 
Now, I love the gold ones to for

554
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:18,000
that for that reason the 
character. 

555
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,700
Yeah, if they've you know try to
Encompass into a miniature, it's

556
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:24,400
not an easy thing to do. 
It's really not. 

557
00:29:24,500 --> 00:29:27,900
I think particularly with the 
words of mid noren goblins it's 

558
00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:30,700
so easy to have every model, be 
memorable because they can also 

559
00:29:30,700 --> 00:29:36,200
be a little bit goofy or weird 
or wacky but you know I think 

560
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,000
They have an advantage there but
I think if you look at something

561
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,400
like the militia of cod wall and
some of my favorite sculpts also

562
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,300
that are serious, that are kind 
of like men and it really shows 

563
00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:49,500
how you can just bring out the 
character even in things that 

564
00:29:49,500 --> 00:29:52,200
aren't exotic like the words of 
Bend or goblins, right? 

565
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,300
But absolutely, I think 
aesthetically, they just 

566
00:29:55,300 --> 00:30:00,900
incredibly good and catabolism 
to I mean I was totally in, you 

567
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:03,400
know, Swept Away with Cadwell. 
And when I first saw the images 

568
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,800
of those models and the the 
scenery they made for it, the 

569
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:08,800
Drops and everything. 
I was like, wow, this is just 

570
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,700
incredible. 
I think most people felt that 

571
00:30:11,700 --> 00:30:14,900
way, I think when they first saw
Cadwell and and the Miniatures 

572
00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:17,400
range they had for that, that's 
brilliant. 

573
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,500
So I take it your all time. 
Favorite faction is made or then

574
00:30:23,500 --> 00:30:25,800
we ago I suppose. 
It depends on what you mean. 

575
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,200
It's the favorite for, right. 
There's a lot of things to like 

576
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,300
about do when you've actions 
want, the one you couldn't do 

577
00:30:30,300 --> 00:30:32,300
without like, if you have to 
submit an order either all the 

578
00:30:32,300 --> 00:30:35,800
other factions which can 
majority has stolen my heart, 

579
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,200
it's the one for me. 
Cool. 

580
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:37,700
Cool. 
Cool. 

581
00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:38,900
I like that way. 
That's good. 

582
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:41,200
And now do you have everything 
or is it something you really 

583
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,000
wanted to get still that you 
want to collect for 

584
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,100
confrontation? 
Well, I certainly don't have the

585
00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:52,100
entire range. 
I feel like I have the stuff 

586
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:53,700
that I wanted most. 
I have right now. 

587
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:57,600
I've got a very solid 
collections for Mid door for 

588
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,200
goblins of no tank car and 
Erick, and, and Alchemists 

589
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,500
dirts. 
So, those are the ones I have. 

590
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,000
And then, you know, when I'm 
itching to play a different 

591
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,400
faction Owens got several of 
them. 

592
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,800
So between us we have almost all
of the factions they guess if 

593
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,300
there were a faction I was going
to want to collect it would 

594
00:31:14,300 --> 00:31:17,900
probably be Cod well indexed 
because it's so diverse so 

595
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:23,800
interesting, the sculptor 
incredible and that is a faction

596
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:28,000
that has diversity of playstyle.
So I think you can really have 

597
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,900
one faction and you can play a 
shootie list one week and you 

598
00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:34,700
could play a tanky list another 
week and a light hard-hitting 

599
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:37,600
fast list the next week, right? 
So I think Be great faction. 

600
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,000
Collect, that's a good point 
too, because I didn't realize 

601
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,300
that and I haven't explored this
yet at all. 

602
00:31:44,300 --> 00:31:48,000
That they had different kind of 
houses or different kind of 

603
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,300
Clans or that like a pact that 
you can buy and like the dwarves

604
00:31:52,300 --> 00:31:56,100
had like a fortress pack I think
and you had like six cards and 

605
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:59,200
you can play with a certain 
theme of a list and Cadwell. 

606
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,100
And I know that I'm splitting 
The Fray that's Owens Channel on

607
00:32:02,100 --> 00:32:04,900
YouTube, I'll leave a link in 
the in the show notes for this 

608
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:08,900
episode to check that out. 
Out but he plays a different 

609
00:32:08,900 --> 00:32:13,600
variant or different jewels for 
Cardinal, that's it. 

610
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,400
That's the one best of what I'm 
looking for with the different 

611
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,600
guilds and that kind of thing 
which is really interesting. 

612
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,800
So you can bring I think he was 
playing with some Akron models 

613
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,100
or something like that as well. 
Yeah the court of Ashes is the 

614
00:32:26,100 --> 00:32:28,400
guild that allows you to 
incorporate a crown models. 

615
00:32:28,500 --> 00:32:29,500
Right? 
That's awesome. 

616
00:32:29,500 --> 00:32:31,400
Yes I really like that aspect to
it too. 

617
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,100
So that's something I'm like to 
explore at some point and see 

618
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:36,700
what that's all about having a 
cord. 

619
00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:40,100
Ashes is very strong, it's good.
Yeah, that looks really good. 

620
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:42,700
I still haven't actually made my
way through that video. 

621
00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:45,600
It's quite a it's quite a 
compact whiskers little. 

622
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:46,700
There's a lot of things 
happening. 

623
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:49,900
There's a little rules and 
thereby need to try to absorb as

624
00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:52,700
I watch it. 
But I hope to get through that. 

625
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,000
That gameplay, it's at some 
point but I do enjoy your and 

626
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,400
Owens games because it's yeah it
brings you know again I'm 

627
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,000
learning a lot of the rules by 
watching you guys play which is 

628
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,100
really, really, really great 
thanks. 

629
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,900
So that's awesome. 
Now, the big final question. 

630
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:09,600
Might have you ever played 
Ragnarok? 

631
00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:13,500
Oh, no, I've never never had the
inclination. 

632
00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:16,100
Well, the quest continues in 
James. 

633
00:33:16,100 --> 00:33:18,400
I'll have to find someone. 
I'm sure some will say, yes, I 

634
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,000
played Ragnarok back in the day,
but who knows? 

635
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,300
Well, James, I like to thank you
again for your time to. 

636
00:33:23,300 --> 00:33:27,300
Come on today at such short 
notice and it's been a great 

637
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:28,500
pleasure. 
Talking to you mate. 

638
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,200
It's been my pleasure. 
Thank you. 

639
00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:32,800
Plays a little, my mate, and 
thank you again. 

640
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,200
I hope to get you and Owen on at
some point, maybe to go through,

641
00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:41,100
maybe to go through some of 
these different kinds of houses,

642
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:46,100
or guilds, or factions, or 
whatever, or talk about your 

643
00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:50,000
preferred list, builds or talk 
about splitting The Fray on 

644
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,400
YouTube channel, that kind of 
thing at some point in the 

645
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,400
future. 
So, thanks again, you're very, 

646
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,000
welcome, take care. 
Okay, good night. 

647
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,500
Bye-bye, let us leave the 
language. 

648
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,800
Land of our Clash for but the 
shortest time. 

649
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,600
Join us again. 
When the air will be rent with 

650
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,600
Cannon shot and Carnage, don't 
forget to my friends, for there 

651
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:22,300
is always confrontation. 
Voiceover by Owen Staton. 

652
00:34:23,199 --> 00:34:28,000
You can find me on the time 
between times podcast or Specter

653
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,100
of the see if you want to 
contact me or in statement at 

654
00:34:32,100 --> 00:34:34,900
AOL.com you're humbled.