Okay, so welcome back to the Predacamand. And
with me, I've got my good friend, Carnifex. How
you going, man? Yeah, pretty good. Been,
you know, MIA for quite some time, but you're a
very busy guy. I know that. So
thanks again for your time to come on to the podcast
to talk all about the glorious bastards we have
in our Discord. So, mate, what were the
highlights for you, mate, this last month or so?
It's been plenty of activity on
the Discord, lots of new members, lots of like new
nicknames popping up and people popping photos of
like progress and completed armies and models. So
it's been pretty cool as usual. There's
a couple of things that I really liked in the last
sort of couple of weeks. You
have to remember things move very quickly in the
Discord. So you can probably like pop
in once a week and have plenty of stuff to chew
through, which is really good. But
you know, it'll keep you entertained. One
thing I want to mention is Clem showed off a board
that him and his friends are playing a fantasy game
on. And it's a very simple fantasy
board. So it's probably got like a
neoprene mat underneath it. And
then to peg out a fantasy farm setting, they use a
variety of like hobby hedges and trees, but then
also to represent sort of like different agricultural
farms, something that a lot of people have probably
seen before is use different materials. So
maybe some tufted like carpet squares to represent
wheat, maybe tilled soil is just like a piece of felt,
a brillo pad or something similar to represent some
sort of greens or turnips or whatever. It's
very, very cool. So as far as fantasy boards
go, they're generally very sparse with terrain, but
this one is really clogged down with hedges and like
fences and like sort of pillars and things like
that. And little hills. So
it was very cool to see something like that, Clem.
She is always updating us on
how your warband is doing. Paul
Clem the merciless, hopefully he gets a win
in. Yeah, I liked his dwarf army
that he's working on for the Call of the Crown
challenge, I think it is. And
his own miniatures sculpted by the very hands of Kev
Adams at the latest of last years. Bring
out your lead. So it's got his face kind of
thing on it. It's pretty awesome. I
really like those, those little touches there that,
you know, personalize people's armies and sculpted
by the legendary golem master himself. So
he's got kind of like a goblin dwarf hybrid head on
the Clem the merciless. One of his slam models. It's
pretty cool. But yeah, mate, there's so many
good things going on. And like you say, this it's
always happening very quickly. Got
Andrew, that's candle kettle trout with his amazing
style and old hammer looking, you know, Orton
goblin and for me looking miniatures and banners that
he does and the handmade shields and stuff like
that. So there's a lot of creativity
and innovation with within the group as well, which
is really cool to see. Yeah,
he did some sketches of for me though, really
impressive. Yeah, they're really great. So
it's not just like the top tier painters in our group.
It's everybody. You
know, so a lot of people are putting in a lot of
hard work and dedication to making their armies as
beautiful and as presentable for the tabletop as
possible. So yeah, I mean, you know,
it's just filled with lots of inspiration, which is
the greatest thing are looking at moshers. Also
his freshly painted Bretonians and looks like
he's doing the full tilt scenario with the little
tents and everything and the whole sort of setup
he's made, which I've just noticed now, which is
really, really nice. So yeah, there's so much stuff
on there that you tend to miss it if unless you
scroll back up and check out what people have been
doing and how active they've been in the
community lately. So it's always great to see
very refreshing. Yeah, there's been some cool
stuff from the like the newer members like the
Grognard or Brian he's been doing some cool ruins and
using like putty and things like that to make those
classic ruins you would have seen in White Dwarf
40k with like pipes coming out of them and stuff like
that. Really like that. Kim
Nix is a bit of a deft hand at green stuff
sculpting and she's done like a little 15 millimeter
sci -fi guy, which is amazingly detailed for 15
millimeter and then working on some sort of like, I
don't know, maybe frog or sland man with a spear.
It's very, very cool to see. So
that's just in the modeling workshop section. I
really recommend you guys check that out and
especially if you're looking for inspiration on what
sort of terrain to make. Obviously,
I'm biased and I really like 40k and I have to
mention Jamie was showing off some original golf orc
plastics from the second ed 40k box set and it's gone
to a lot of effort to like paint on symbols and
stuff like that on the back of those golf orc
boys and for me for a cheap model that you got
in the base set they've got a lot of detail on
them and then because they're orcs you have the
option to go really, really wild and put checker marks
and a little glyphs and stuff like that on them.
So some people get really,
really out of control with the amount of detail they
put on them. It's always fantastic to see.
I'll also mention Jean Steelecult
has been sort of something that a lot of people have
been kicking around lately. So
you've got Moody doing them in the Cowabunga challenge
and you'll see images of those on the discord, which
is really, really cool. And then people like Tsuno also
showing off their Colt limo and Magus sort of like
brings a purple tinge tier to my eye to see so much
Jean Steelecult going on in the discord. Very
nice guys. Yep, nice and really cool stuff.
I think the call of the
crown is wrapped up after a six month challenge. So
congratulations to everybody who's contributed and who's
worked their butt off to produce some pretty amazing
work. So I think commendations go to
like old man, old hammer mad, Bry, another Aussie
compatriot who's done this wonderful looking beastman
army and then photographed it on, you know, with an
amazing background and, you know, trees and beautiful
scenic kind of display here that's showing off his
fifth edition, it's like a fifth edition beastman army,
which is really, really cool. David
M with his really nice looking dark elf force as
well. He's actually got a YouTube
channel called fifth ed. So you can check out his
hobby progress and vlogs on there as well on YouTube.
And he's just uploaded uploaded
his first battle report, which is basically like a
six edition skirmish with dark, I think dark elves
and empire. There's loads inspiration. Matthias
as well with his dark elves that he's working on.
And you can just scroll up and
keep going through and just, you know, in awe of,
you know, the amount of work that's been poured
into these armies and all these old models and stuff,
which is really, really amazing. Yeah,
some of my favorite dark elf staff has been from, I
hope I'm saying this correctly, I like how now
that's a person with the avatar of a looks like
Shiva Inu in a cage. But they've been doing these
like fantastic dark elves with like really pallid
skin with a purple tinge to them. Yes,
lots of details on the face and the armor
obviously really, really impressive. Ted
as well. That's odd gets hot Ted. Really
big. Looks like a skink and well,
it's a Elizabethan force, but yeah, lots of great
color. And I think he's got people,
you know, sort of transfixed on these plants
that he uses. They're like, oh yeah, jungle,
jungle plants, like terrain plants. Yeah,
yeah. So he's really got a nice
thematic board there to represent his Lisbon on,
which is really cool to see. But
yeah, I also like that particular painter's style
for his dark elves as well. I
think that's a really nice dark style that's very
atmospheric. And there's a few people like
that as well. I think Wraith Wisp is
another one of my favorites. He
does also this sort of very dark atmospheric style
and photography on his miniatures. There's
a voice trend that's Ryan who's done a death skull
squadron. It looks absolutely stunning.
Really nice. They're
really cool. Yeah, great non -metallic medals
on them. And we've got the Phoenician,
that's Jimmy doing 15 millimeter terrain for his
40 K second edition games he's playing in Sweden,
which is really cool to see. Very
cute. And Highland Painting is always
knocking it out the park and it's also Ben whisking
wizards. And you know, you can just you
can just ramble off, you know, name after name after
name of really great inspirational painters out
there. You know, so yeah, look, you
know, look, if you're not part of a discord, I'd
urge you to come in and check it out. At
least, you know, it's free. You
can just jump in and and if it's not for you, you
can jump out. That's no problem. But
yeah, it's it's a really cool place to hang out and
be inspired by people and our hobby. Now,
also today's guests are also two glorious people
from Bavarian Germany. And they are part of the
Dicehammer YouTube channel. And
I know Khanifex is one of their subscribers and fans
of their content. So Khanifex, how would you sum
up the Dicehammer's channel to German guys in shorts,
play games in their basement and drink beer?
I'm actually drinking a German
beer now that I'm sure if I say try to pronounce it,
like a lot of people will giggle. So
it's something like Schofferhoffer. I
don't know. It's a Heffwies, some sort of
like beer. Nice. Yeah, some sort of wheat
beer. It's fantastic. I'm
gonna love it better than Australian beer for that.
Well, anything that's better than
Australian beer, actually, to be honest, mate. Yeah,
really truthful. Exactly. And like these guys, they
play a real like big variety of games. But
obviously, as I mentioned before, I'm biased. I
love the 40k second ed stuff. They
do everything from tiny little skirmish games, which
are actually pretty exciting because they can go either
way with some bad dice rolls. They've
played campaigns like proper campaigns, like the like
dark vengeance between the Dark Angels and the Orcs,
which is really crazy. They've
done their own campaign where like a randomly like
a war portal appears on the board and you've got
to like rush towards and essentially take and hold
it like Codex Wars and things like that. Variety
of terrain, everything from like snow and like sort of
more traditional like cardboard fortresses that
you would have got in White Dwarf. So
always happy to see it. And
you know, I bug everyone who does a second ed
battle report on YouTube by constantly like mentioning
rules that they've stuffed up and things like that.
I'm like a real irritant to
people. So but these these guys do
really well, really enjoy it. And
I love their style. Yeah, now the great guys, I
really had a great talk with them today in this in
this interview. So I hope you guys enjoy it.
So yeah, and please I urge
you to go and check out their YouTube channel, go
and check out their content. Yeah,
well, look, what keeps us all going is people like
Dysama who make content for us that we can view and
enjoy it's like sit back and enjoy when we've got
spare time. So thanks for all the content
creators. Thanks to all the people in the
discord who even just show us dub work in progress
picks like it doesn't matter what it is or if
you don't think it's great, we want to see it because
someone will like it. Yep, absolutely. We
should do more of a community spotlight on
someone out there and other glorious bastard out there
in the community doing some pretty awesome work, either
as a YouTuber, podcaster, just an individual just
doing some really awesome stuff inspiring other
people. Maybe a bloke called cutter who
seems to have a huge Auckland goblins army. Oh,
really? Okay. Well, there you go. Okay,
we'll have to, we'll have to, yeah, highlight his
stuff at some point during one of our next live
streams. Please check out the live stream
we did last weekend, which was really fun. It
was me, GM Cody and Kent fury talking all about 40k
second edition coming back into it how to get into
it. If you're new to second
edition 40k, and if you had played in the 90s and
you're wanting to get back into it, how it what would
be the best way. So we try to give you the
best tips and advice as we can. And
then we talk about the B dab system at the end. So
if you haven't seen it, go check out that on my
YouTube channel that crown of command games in the
live section. But if you did you catch the
interview, don't make you did you listen to it? I
did. And I think that the the main
message of that whole stream is don't be a dick.
I think it's really good
times. Yeah. Yeah, it was really good.
Yeah, I really enjoyed that. It
was fun. So it was great. And
I'm glad that Kent got to to, yeah, just get that
off his chest. You know, some some things has
been building up over time about the second really
funny. I won't mention specifics, but
he does mention like some very dirty tactics someone
used and straight away on the second ed Facebook
group, there was discussions about what had happened and
if he can even do that. So
it's very funny. Yeah, it's good that it's this
controversial topic has brought a lot of people
out and you know, people just voicing their opinions,
you know, either either in either for or against the
D bad system. So it's it's it's got not
divided the community, but it certainly made it a
little bit more controversial and people are
being very opinionated about how they feel about it. So
that's good. It's good to have a bit of
discussion about that and and what they think. But
it's just, you know, like I said, it's just, you
know, Kent's tournament structure that he uses and
his club at Newcastle legions for his games that
he organizes. So then if you wanted to play
just pure second edition with all the, you know,
warts and all, then go for it. But
if you want to play something that's alternative
and try something new, then it's not such a big
diversion from the original game anyway. It's
just a few streamlined little set rules that allow
more friendly, friendly lists basically and more
tactical play. I think that's what that what
he's trying to emphasize there after being a long,
long term player of second edition 40k. I
would highly recommend you give it a whirl. Yeah.
So links for that D -Bad system can be found in the
second edition Facebook group. And
so I'll leave a link here in the show notes for the
podcast, if you want to check that out. And
yeah, and again, you're going to check out the the
live stream from the man himself. He
won't hold back. And that's what I like about
Kent. I respect him totally for
that. He doesn't care. He
doesn't care who is going to offend or, you know,
who's going upset. He's just going to let it out
and say how he feels. That's
great. That's that's the Aussie spirit.
That's what I love about Aussies.
Very. Okay, man. All
right. Well, look, I won't hold Japanese
longer kind of exon. They need to get to bed, mate,
before you need to work tomorrow. So
until the next time, my friend, stay safe and enjoy
your second. And it's good to see you
playing the the the Jean Seller Colt too recently as
well. Yeah. Yeah, manage scraped scrape
to win. Very lucky. Could
have could have been completely obliterated by
orcs. You got to be careful. They've
got all vicious five hour. Well,
I can't wait to play you in person with my walks at
some point against your chance to the Colt. That'd
be a lot of fun. Until then, mate, take it easy
and I'll catch you again next time. Yep,
I'll see you around. Thank you so much again for
coming to the Chronic Command. Thanks
for being invited. Oh, my pleasure. My
pleasure, guys. So you're the men behind the
the Dicehammer podcast, Dicehammer YouTube channel,
sorry. And you both are from Bavaria,
is that right? Yeah, exactly. Right,
great. Okay. And I think it's a
wonderful story that you started off playing
Warhammer 40 ,000 second edition when you were
young, and you've come back to play it again later in
life. So I really wanted to get you
on to talk about your hobby history. I
mean, how did you get into gaming and tabletop
miniatures and that kind of thing? Marcus,
would you like to start us off? Yeah,
to be honest, we didn't come back to Warhammer 40k
second edition. We've been playing it for the
last 30 years. Really? Wow. Okay.
Whenever we entered a games workshop and talked to the
staff, they told us, well, the present edition is the
one which is closest to the old second edition one,
just right out and buy some stuff and stuff like
that. But we never played another
edition. It was a lifelong bond with
the product. I was into fantasy and
science fiction. And one day at the age of,
let's say, maybe 15, I bought a box of a Star
Quest, which was the German edition of Space Crusade, I
think. And I bought the add -ons, the
expansion sets. And then somebody told me this
was just part of a complete universe of a game
of its own, which was sold in Britain. And
then about one year later, my parents wanted me to do
a youth exchange. And I went to Britain for
three weeks. And during my time there, I
found the first games workshop and I was really
fascinated. And it was then the lifelong
bond with their products. And
I never wanted to do or buy anything as... I
still remember the first blisters. I
bought the Chaos Terminator Captain, the one with the
huge sword back then, the blister of warp spiders,
and a deathwing Terminator Squad and a box of
tactical plastic space marines. Because
back then, I thought these were just kind of
additional forces for my copy of Star Quest. And
it was really exciting because I also, during the
three weeks in our guest family, there were two
trips to London. And during these two trips, I
spent the whole day looking for books on 1 .40K. And
somebody told me back then, you didn't have mobile
phones and stuff like that, that there was a second
hand bookshop in a completely other district of
London where I might get them. So
I spent several hours on the tube asking people for
directions and stuff like that. And
when I arrived there, I really got a copy of Space
Marine and Deathwing. Oh, wow, nice. Fantastic,
mate. That's great. And
do you both live close to each other in your
hometown? And now it has, yes. Of
course, not the last 30 years. When
we were pupils back then, of course, we live in the
same town, but we started our study in the same city
as well. But after that, I think I
moved to other towns in Marcus as well. But
I think now, the last five to 10 years, we are both
living in the same town once again. Oh,
right. You've been reunited. So
Alex, do you have a very similar story to Marcus in
terms of finding Games Workshop games with Star
Quest? No, to be honest, not. I
came first in contact with Games Workshop products in
my school time. And at a young I played some
kind of role play. I actually don't know if the
system is now known outside of Germany because it's
called Das Schwarze Auge, the Black Eye. And
it's a German company which produced the game. And
I'm coming from the role play community. And
I think I was about 15, 16 when a friend of mine
brought some Citadel catalogs back in school.
And we scrolled them beneath
the table during the lessons. And
there I saw the first time Space Marines and Elder and
stuff like that. And then this was a group, I
think, of three or four people, including Marcus.
And then we really started
getting into the game. Excellent.
And 30 years later, you're still playing it. It's
amazing. To be honest, it was a really
period of time between or within these 30 years where
we didn't actually play that much. But
we still kind of spent a lot of time painting stuff,
especially Alex. I stopped for about took 20
years off painting, but still we're into 40k or
the universe, read lots of books, bought stuff, even
newer stuff. And then and played a lot of
computer games. Yeah, exactly. Dawn
of War. I didn't know exactly it was
some kind of Hacks based game. I
think it was elder against the Imperial Guard. Not
final liberation. I can't remember the exact
name, but we played really a lot of computer games
focused on the GW. Was it rights of war? Yeah,
rights of war. Maybe you heard of it. I
heard about final liberation. Final
liberation. It was some kind of epic
based computer game. And we even started playing
Warhammer Fantasy back then. I
think it was the fifth edition. It
was the box game with the Pritonians and Lizardmen or
Scaven on the title. But I started with Orcs and
Goblins and Marcus with Wood Elves. And
we bought a lot of Hacks then and went to a
convention and played our first game there. And
there were about 10 to 12 people at the table and
everything. Everyone was talking to us. I
have to move there. It was so frightening almost
that we never played Fantasy from this point on.
So we put our armies in the
cupboard and just discovered them maybe three to four
years ago. It was kind of really
disappointing and frustrating because we were advised by
12 year olds. We hadn't read the rules
properly. So we tried a mixture of what
we thought the Fantasy rules really were and
Warhammer 40K rules. So it ended up in a complete
mess. And I I boxed my Wood Elves
for about at least 20 years. But
luckily I didn't sell them because right now it would
be difficult to get to them. These
beautiful old ones back. And
you have sold my Orcs and and again and about five
years ago you told me you'd sold the Magic Box
because we don't play it at all. We
didn't play it. Back in the fifth edition there
was this red colored Magic Warhammer Magic Box of the
Fantasy universe. And I sold it back five years
ago. And then I sold the main box.
And about three years ago Alex
said it would be a great idea to get back into one
of Fantasy because many people sold the completely
wonderfully painted armies because the eighth edition
was the last edition supported by against
Workshop because they replaced it with AOS. And
I think it was a good time to get back into it
because there were lots of stuff which you could get
really cheap five years ago about. And
I have to admit the idea that there's a final
edition and you won't have to buy the next add -on
and add -on and the next version and edition of rule
books really appealed to me. So
I said okay let's do some test games. And
it took us quite a long time. We
were really grateful for every eighth edition video
which could be found on the internet by then
because when we started we had to read page by page
in order to get at least the rules for our first
two armies. You came back with the vampire
counts. I still had my wood elves
and then it was still a lot of time for the basic
rules and the army rules. And
even now we do lots of mistakes. That's
excellent guys. I'm really glad you found your
love for fantasy again after all these years. And
you gave it another shot. And
I know you played eighth edition on your channel.
Any chance of you playing any
of the early editions like fifth edition going back to
the old Horten version? We would like to do so but
at the moment we are still struggling to get the
eighth edition stuff done correctly. I
think we would need a kind of gaming group.
Unfortunately our old one has split up
after school because the four to five of us went
to two completely different places. One
of us our first orc player went to Great Britain, went
to Scotland, then to London and now I think it's back
to Scotland. And maybe if we meet others
once we've been invited we were invited to a kind of
tournament near Ehrlangen -Hüchstädt, was it? About
100 kilometers from our current position. And
then it's really a great atmosphere if you've got
four or five or even eight other players who can give
you a piece of advice and no older stuff or stuff we
did wrong. In such these circumstances I
think we'd be grateful to try out older editions.
Wonderful. I hope that's the case
because yeah I love all your second edition content
especially. Now as you said you've never
stopped playing second edition for all these years
but you sort of took a dip and you still stopped
playing for a while. But I did notice you have a
lot of untacted miniatures in your in your in your
videos. Famously so. Not
notes of them. Alex I'm rather lazy. During
the time we didn't actually play it was because both
of us had smaller apartments. We
were in the same town but we didn't have kind of
room to put up table tennis set or stuff like
that. And during this time Alex kept
on painting and painting and painting and even did
some kind of professional painting watching videos on
painting buying lots of of colors and trying new
techniques techniques and stuff like that. I
didn't paint anything and so there were truckloads of
older minis and when I started I was a really I
was a keen painter and everything had to be
exactly the rate of the eye in the eye and not on
the cheek or stuff like that. So
even back then it took me at least one week to do
model properly. One I've kept some of my old
models the inquisitor and the predecessor were among
the first of them. I gave some of them to Alex
because I had blood anches back then one of my first
armies. And now having come back after
20 years of this gap I'm still the same kind of
painting guy. I could move on quite faster
but I said no let's come back oh there's still I
have to recolorate and I don't like this tone. I
think I'll redo it and stuff like that. And
so I have asked for help and found the first one it
was an ad on Facebook and I've even phoned this guy
he was very very nice but was honest and told me I
do kind of different stuff and different games. I
wouldn't like to get into your kind of stuff and so
I kept looking and I found somebody closer to us who's
from Munich and I phoned its public and I phoned
him and I think he's a one man company and he was
really great. I showed him some pictures
and then sent my stuff to him and these are the Orcs
because Orcs are an army you need many more than
five models and despite all my efforts because I've
been painting Orcs for the last nearly 12 months I've
only got about 15 models completed. So
I sent about 30 of them including two vehicles to
Patrick and within less than a week he's already
got pictures of the painted menace on his homepage and
the parcel is in transit is being delivered back to
me right now I've already seen pictures it's great. I
think this painting partnership will help us to
get at least as you might know we've got some
standard lists of 1000 points 15 -2000 for our
fantasy and second edition stuff and this should help
me to get at least the small army blocks for fast
games during maybe even under the week or at the
week and ready. Yeah I really enjoyed your
tournament like a tournament series you did like very
small games facing like you did almost like a lottery
where you'd have all the different lists and I think
that was some of your very first videos I really
enjoyed that initial series you did and I think it's
right to say that you have every single army for
second edition. I suppose so as even Marcus
it even got the old squads which are really really
nice miniatures I like them really a lot but
unfortunately I think it's the army which is
completely unpainted or is there some maybe one two
miniatures that is painted but I think it's quite
difficult especially these squads because they're so
small and our eyes are getting worse and worse
every year so it gets every time more difficult
to paint the miniatures but the squads is a really
cool army and even when I got back then I bought the
old Necron warriors and I've got three of the old
destroyers and the scarabs and but the Necrons are
really easy to paint in my opinion I just primed them
in black and then tried crushed them with some
metallics and here and there are some dots of
maybe blue or red and it's finished have you actually
finished but yes you're right we all yeah you're
right but we have I think almost every army now yeah
in our asset have you actually finished painting
the Necron army Alex have you finished painting
completely a one destroyer is there to paint oh
that's good three scarabs great like are you making
some good progress then that's great fantastic but
at the moment I'm painting five raith guards of the
elder because in our 2000 points army list I think
there's a squad of five raith guard that's my
actual project and we might need them for our great
maybe it's really the final one good versus evil elder
versus chaos cult is a kind of series we haven't
created a playlist of its own yet but there have
already been several minor battles against the sisters
of battle in peregaard inquisition dog angels and
last time yeah one of them still survived the magus
magus and the blood thirst I think so we'd like to
do a really large final maybe 2500 or maybe even
3000 points of chaos cultists or maybe even
demons against the elder wow that was a huge game
yeah yeah particularly like the the cauldron of blood
you have for your chaos army I think it's a it's
a armor cast model yeah I really like those yeah
they're great it was gifted to me by market I think I
think he gifted it me almost 10 years ago or 15
years ago to some birthday and it's a really cool
model and and we really had a lot of armor cast
stuff because we began to yeah to buy the first ones
of them it was yeah around 2002 nobody liked to play
them because they weren't real official games workshop
products and then I sold the first orc tanks later
on I bought some stompers elix bought two or three
elder titans even the largest one the phantom
lord and I had a great gargant as well but around
three or four years ago I sold many of them because
to be honest I've had them for about 20 years and
haven't even assembled them yet the chances of painting
them or using them one day were really slim so I said
I'd better sell them to somebody who really works
on paint wonders on them and maybe takes them to
tournament especially mostly larger armor cast miniatures
are rather in my opinion display miniatures because
especially the huge titans are such overpowered I
think you didn't have a chance to harm them and if
both armies have one titan and the first titan falls
then I think the remaining titan will vaporize the
army completely but we've kept some small ones elix
has got a cool elder I think it's called warlock
titan it's the smallest one now I think it's a wraith
lord looks like he's got a sword over his slung over
his shoulder or was it kind of maybe we play with
this one because it's really a I think it's you
can call it upgrade red not maybe it's a little
bit better characteristics a little bit better armor
values but I think it's a fair chance you can knock
him down with some less cans for example excellent
and you've got one I think you've got one for the
tyrannies too haven't you there's one for the tyranny
I've kept several smaller ones so the largest one
I've got left I've sold my reval titan but I've
warhound left for the imperial forces and I've
got several tyranid and orc tanks left and I hope to
do at least one of these orc tanks myself because
one of them one of these gobs measures is already
painted there's another one a scratch build one because
in one of the white dwarfs there was a kind of a
scheme which you could use to build one and I've got
at least one probably two or three of each of the
three tyranid ones they look great I like the
models and I think I painted one or two for
them myself and they're at least one or two others
which are painted but they are not for competitive
games they look great yeah I think it's the exo prime
you painted by yourself and you have a malefactor and
how and how aspects I think these were the three
published for the tyranid forces but they actually
came with that when you bought those kits they
actually came with a data facts sheet you actually
had rules and everything I still have got some of the
boxes these were white boxes and there was a
horrible white and black print on them showing Joini
and blah blah USA and so on and there were green
green polystyrene stuff or flakes around them to
protect them and then there was a folded data facts
included which was already folded so much that you
could barely read and even the pictures were horrible
because in one of these sets I found extra wattle
cards for orc vettels but back then the art of
photocopying was so bad that they were mainly black
I uploaded them to the second edition book on a
group on facebook which is really great and I think
ergo fog will ask me where are they from because they
look so unprofessional well it doesn't get more
unprofessional than 1991 or whenever they were released
it's amazing there's any print on them at all
because usually photocopies fade to nothing you know
there's nothing left after so many years but yeah
it's always interesting to see those on the tabletop
when you play them because I've never seen them on
the table ever I mean my friend Marcus has I think
a revenant titan for elder and I know he's got a
warlock titan I think as well maybe but yeah I've
never seen them actually played in second edition so
it's been quite fascinating to see them as it's like
a centerpiece model or people actually using them
in games so and much is the joy of 3d printing
that you can do that now you can get these bigger
larger kits and use them in games if you wanted to
but then you know I play epic I play epic scale
have you guys ever tried epic space marine? No
we would have liked to do so but as there are only
the two of us left out of our traditional gaming group
everybody had to own at least six or seven or
eight different armies if that been the original five
of us everybody maybe would have owned a 40k a fantasy
army an epic army or stuff like that but so as it is
our shelves are crammed with 40k second edition
stuff and some newer stuff and our five or new case
six fantasy armies completely I was going to
say do you guys actually play any other games apart
from second edition and one of fantasy eighth edition
are there any other games you play that you don't
film? Yeah but to be honest not very
often I bought a couple of years ago it's also a
miniature war game it's called free buddha's fate
it's I think a german company who developed this
game and it's mainly focused on a pirate setting
so you play a rather skirmish game so you have
a small band of about five six seven pirates but with
a little bit touch of fantasy so they are goblins
goblins pirates and so on and I think we played it
once or twice but never filmed it and I also own
some club ball teams but actually never I think you
didn't even played it I played it with some other
guys no club ball but we never played it for the
channel up to now I was interested but I haven't
read the rules yet and basically I think you've
got most of the teams or even no not much I have
the some different ones so human team or orc team the
vampires no not not vampires okay um dark elves
so basically I have three teams the human team the
orc land raiders I think they're called and the dark
elf team the negroth nightmares yep I think
that's I think so yeah yeah okay cool that's good
okay well at least at some point you can give blood
bowl a try the third edition of blood bowl I
think is the most characterful the 90s 1993
version I think it was that's a very cool edition
so now looking at 40k second edition as I know
it's is that your probably your favorite game yeah
that's right and what are your favorite armies do you
like to play I like them all it's all of the choice
this is one one of the hardest questions to answer
because if somebody asked me if I was allowed to
keep only one single army I'd probably spend the next
15 years thinking about which one it would be like
them so much because for me it's maybe the elder
because I put really a great effort in painting
the espectorious the last years and therefore it's a
demon her ferret army and to be honest I think it's
the most beautiful one and I think you won't need any
new models because you can't make them look much
better than them yeah even Mark Gibbons artwork is
absolutely the best stuff and the models designed to
this artwork so yeah I think you can't you can't
look at it and say oh it's kind of old fashioned
and the new one looks looks much better and I
really stand the test of time Mark to be honest the
new aspect for us which GW published I think they look
a little more dynamic but I look a little more
dynamic but I really they fit quite close to the
older models in my opinion if you compare it to the
old space for instance and the primaries which are
really a great difference in size and so on and I
think the new aspect for us are really close to the
old ones in my opinion the new striking scorpions or
the other stuff awesome okay yeah I really like
you I really like your elder painted army Alex and
I think it looks really nice and it Alex is it
your dark angel army you feature on the channel too
is it yours the dark angel army is from Marcus Marcus
I really like that I think it's a really nicely
painted army I really like that a lot and maybe you
can tell the story behind last one we presented our
orc player with the storm of vengeance box set as a
back then in the 90s during our time at
university and then I had to because we planned to
play it then I really had to spend a university
university break I think three months painting dark
angels every day and I managed to do the five
most important characters the captain psychic tech
marine nemen for this one and and the chaplain as
well as for squats I had scouts tactical marines
devastating and assault marines and I really
painted them according to the codex with the squad
markings army badge and and chapter markings and stuff
like that took quite a lot of time and I even did
the dreadnought and the razor back and these are
really painted back in the 90s by Marcus the dark
angels but they were among the the last models I
painted before the before the long end no they
certainly stood the test of time I think they look
really fantastic in terms of like the entire cohesive
look of the army it looks really really nice do you
actually have any of your all paints from the from
the 90s the old citadel hexpots do you have those
I've got many of my really old ones the round ones
then the others are maybe hexpots with colors like
blazing orange and I bought some completely new ones I
didn't find a cool replay I haven't found a cool
replacement for snake bite leather yet which I would
have needed for my ox for orcs 16 to 20 which I
still have to do but together with the force I
sent to patrick to silver ear painting I think I
should have between 500 and maybe even 1500 points for
our usual levels of points we play and I'm really
looking forward to seeing painted orcs against an
experience fully painted elder army and maybe Alex's
was during corona has succeeded in doing 2500
point imperial guard army I own a really huge one but
I haven't painted a single I've painted one cycle yeah
but that's the only part out of these nine platoons
yeah Alex is that a really cool painted catfish and
jungle find that themed army oh cool with you've
got writers as well rough writers and red links but
I think we never used them in games yet I painted the
five ethylene rough riders yeah I think we never used
them in games so far they would be a cool opponent
against 1500 points of orcs maybe one day but for me
I don't have any of the old paints to be honest I
think I doing some movement in the past I think I
threw them away because most or some of them were
tried out and I thought okay let's put them into
the trash bin and I only use newer paints but with
one exception it's a newer paint but I don't know the
company but it's from crease or creed they are
producing it's called nostalgia paint or some
kind like that and they're really really producing the
old stuff it's really similar yeah exactly those
ones yeah yeah so this is it Marcus I bought a
couple of them here a snake bite leather oh
that's that's the one I need it's called serpent
serpent bite leather now serpent bite leather okay
I'll send you a link to warcolors and then you can
get that more colors exactly that's the company's
name thanks I had the impression that if you
store them upside down at medium temperature and if
there's a lot of content left within these pots they
survive for 20 or 30 years there's a problem with the
metallic ones because they are probably bolt gun metal
they're probably of another consist these are the these
are the old hey these are the old round nothing wrong
with them and I've got about 20 of them left oh
wow that's good man yeah some vintage yeah almost
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serpent bite serpent bite leather that's what you
need Marcus this one and then yeah Alice can show
you which website it is and how to get them okay
so and then you're you're I think they're really uh
quite a good match yeah they're very good um and
the Vallejo game color range is also a very good
match for old school paints you know so they're very
vibrant colors very rich colors so and uh but yeah
I've got I've got a lot of the wall color stuff
and it's it's pretty good it's not bad at all yeah
so give them a go give me a try yeah but um yeah I
also have colors from different companies from
Vallejo or from AK Interactive yeah etc that
of course so it's a mixture it's not a single
brand I use um I think they're in colors which are
better from this company and other colors from the
other so I think it's really personal choice which
colors you use I think you can't say that this color
is best it's maybe for me best but um I think
everyone has to you know figure it out for himself
and back then I even put some paints because they
were really cheap I got some Iqor during my time
at university I was looking for a color for the
imperial guard basic crime or stuff like that and
there was a company called Iqor I think and I still
have one or two pots of them because I used them
for my dark elder which I like very much they were
not an official second edition race they came out
at the end it was between second and third edition
but I like the models so much and the one codex we
found on the internet is really matches the other
ones yes I've seen those featured on your channel so
the dark yeah you said the dark elder they came out
just at third edition didn't they so did they
actually get any kind of white dwarf rules for
second edition at all no no I think the last ones
which got rules were the necron because the necron
raiders destroyer necron destroyer was featured the
necron lord the warriors and the scarabs and I
think the first white dwarf published for the third
edition came out with a cabalit warrior on the
plastic model it's a gift I think it was the
starting box a dark elder versus space for rings for
the third edition and so they didn't see any rules
official rules for the second edition yep you're
right that's right yeah exactly wow that's going
back a long time ago now looking at your armies
looking at all the miniatures what what is
your favorite miniature do you think in your range or
in the whole like if you just think about second
edition 40k maybe you have it already maybe you don't
have it already maybe it's on your wishlist what's
your favorite miniature one of elix models I like very
much is the slanesh champion on a snake tail I
think it's a it's a fantasy model as well it's
not a 40k model only with I think he's got more than
two arms I think he's got two arms with swords and
one with a finger pointing and a ring or stuff like
that it's a really cool one yeah it's a really
difficult question because there's so many
transmenagers but if I have to name one I'd like maybe
most my old chaos terminator captain it's a
miniature which I got I think gifted from Argus or
the one I bought in Britain I think oh okay
and it's the old one with I think with some power
claw and a steaming sword in the other hand and I
think it was the first chaos space marine I
painted by myself so and it's a really nice
miniature I think wonderful now what's on your wish
list this year like in terms of if you're going
to think about purchasing miniatures to expand your
armies what's what's on your what's on your
miniature radar this year no I'd rather like to get
some stuff painted than when bought but I I've got
I think I bought for more fantasy 20 fletcher lens to
be waiting to be painted I've got the pistol ears
waiting to be painted and there's some really large
minis in my wood elves army left I've already
mentioned I'd like to send another parcel to Patrick
with my squats because they're another quite
iconical second edition army and if I do another one
it'll be probably the wood elves because I've got some
fake writers left and lots of the cool old I think
their fourth or fifth edition and I think they
might be Harley Quinn the the spearmen and there was
an old box which said scarlocks arches so around
maybe 18 of them and they'd be a great addition
to my forces but there are always a single newer
models which I like which are saying man this would
be a great addition to our old old second edition
stuff and sometimes especially this especially
in in case of the scaven when you see something on
the internet and say wow I really need to have this
old one and back then these were really cool
models because there were several a single piece
metal models which can't break or get stuck or
stuff like that that's right yeah yeah for me I
would like to add I've got a small Frateris militia
band for the Sisters of Battle those old metal
miniatures and I'd like to add some Frateris militia
with heavy stubbers but they were never published
of course but I found some old necromanda miniatures
maybe the Asher girl with the heavy stubber or
Goliath fighter with a heavy stubber I think they
would fit quite nicely to the Frateris militia from
the size and from the appearance so I tried to
get some of these maybe this tier on the internet
wonderful and what's on the painting table I know
Marcus has sent off his miniatures to a to a
painter over there in Germany but Alex do you
paint yeah yeah actually I'm painting my Wraith god
for the elder range and of course then I have a lot
of options after that what's missing from my
elder army is still the Rangers I just painted one
elder ranger and I've all I've got the old metal
models and I think there were seven or eight
different ones and I've got one model each so that
would probably next and I think then I have almost
finished at least the squats of the elder army
then there are only the phoenix loads missing and
some exarks and I think then it's finished I think
maybe the elder Rangers would be after the race
god next awesome Marcus again I'm I'm looking I'm
looking forward to continuing the work on my
corn army and the dark elder while I hope
perfectly do some of the work on my wood elves
which which are really delicate minis and my
squats and afterwards there's so much left they
haven't even thought about spending time on the space
wolves my imperial god and my elder because Alex has
got a beautifully painted elder army so we felt okay
come on snow hurry and who inspires you out there on
the internet like it maybe a youtube channel or
someone on the internet that really inspires you to
keep keep going with your battle reports keep making
these videos keep playing for the case second edition
anybody out there that really motivates you at all
you have a free the free channel which motivated us
most during all these years were your channel of course
crown of command then bring and battle is another great
one and second edition war gaming they don't have many
games or videos but all of them are high end if it
comes to terror painting and the models themselves
and there are lots of other channels I think
bunker war gaming or a bunker gaming this is
playing often fantasy and the Scandinavian one more
fantasy a miscast table miscast and there are so
many channels it's really incredible if you compare
it to former times where you were on your own or
maybe meet some people on conventions but now you can
can just open the browser and found so many other
great channels that and if you subscribe them all I
was a few times in holidays and then you can
back in the 90 new videos which you can you probably
so it's really awesome the content which you can
consume no it's good isn't it it's great that people
are making some great content out there for
second edition and some of these older games yeah I
hope I hope I like added mini so it does great
videos as well and yes I really like the second ed
war gaming channel I really like his space fleet battle
videos I think they're fantastic so I think maybe
he's coming back to show some new videos with his
elder new elder army he's painted up and he showed
in he showed a pick in the second edition group it
was I showed it to you around months ago of a
huge squad force assembled so I thought wow this
would be a match up the the elder the outweigh
against the squads yeah it sounds like he has sounds
like he has a lot of a lot of models in his
collection actually he's collected over the years
since the 90s and of course yeah rich and Jason
at bringing battle do great battle reports a lot of
fun so it's nice we're living in a good time now
for second edition I think maybe there's more people
playing it now than there ever was or I'm playing
games I've ever did when I when I played in the 90s
so it's a good time to be around and getting into it
so yeah great great guys now also about white dwarf
magazine now when it was released in Germany you had
a different edition it sort of started sort of reset
down to number one two three and that kind of
thing did you did you experience white dwarf in
Germany at some point yeah they were they were really
great I still remember owning a copy of citadel
miniatures catalog and this together with the white
dwarfs were sources of inspiration we've spent lots
of lessons just looking at the minis under our desks
we were looking at the new minis in bed and thinking
when shouldn't I start this army or which mini can I
buy next with the the money grandmark gives me
for Christmas or stuff like that and there are many
pictures I have still on my mind even pictures of
terror which I saw there for the first time that's
the great thing about this universe back then when I
was a child and a cool movie ended I thought well
that's it now you're back back to reality but when
the 40k never ends even after you've finished a
finished a battle report it's still on your mind
and you think okay next time Alex next week bring
bring along another 500 points or maybe add a red
dot or a librarian and but you're right there was a
separate german numbers for the german white dwarf but
I think our fantasy shops always have both editions
available so you can choose which to buy and I have I
think about 12 13 issues still at home from the 90s
some german and some in english and really I don't
know I've read them maybe twice tries but you always
scroll the pages and those great guys Adrienne Wood
and service Johnson and how they called and their
battery ports and it's really might make me was a
painter back then and it's a really great inspiration
if you see the pictures and the paint shops back
then and I also if you just mentioned a mike we I
think he published a book second edition for decay
painting the painting guide and it's really a great
book as well even today because it's very in depth
explanation of how to mix colors and fade out the
colors and highlighting and so on and so forth it's
really a great book yeah now talk about terrain you
have quite a unique terrain set up with your ice table
like it's an Antarctic all styrofoam terrain on a
white sheet or something it's quite quite something
I've never seen anything like it but you always
come up with some interesting sort of table
setups when you play second edition and I think the
ice terra I think they started it was back then
during the university I think it's almost 20 years
old my girlfriend and me moved to a really it was
really a hobby it was bad but there was a huge there
was a huge garden and within the garden there
were garages which couldn't be used because of of a
fence preventing cars from entering the property and
so therefore we bought lots of polystyrene and even
spent 20 euros maybe back then on a polystyrene knife
and then started to do the ice and deserts terra we
still own and we had a kind of we've we already
had painted tables back then but during moving from
one place to another we threw them away probably
and one of the sites was painted in yellow for our
desert terra whereas the other one was painted white
for our ice terra because of the loss of these
pieces of wood we just moved on to using blankets
which are much cheaper and easy to transport but
originally we planned to do some painting and even
highlighting our ice terra during summer maybe this
summer we're planning to schedule some days more
painting or or doing other because we've bought a lot
of terra recently I still remain it's it's three deep
printed stuff I remember having bought a really cool
dark elder tower which we could use in fantasy as
well as in 40k as a watch tower and a corn like gate
and two official games workshop buildings one of
them is kind of an elder a portal with a waterfall
is going the wrong way and the other one looks like a
dragon's cave the dragon's heads and there's a cave
beneath it but we'll have to do we'll have to paint
all of it one day you have to paint it in summer
well I'm watching you drinking a beer and are
you playing 40k second edition today of course
only a short game 400 points core hammer game
because tomorrow I have to leave for one week to
Denmark so actually I have no not too much time today
but we play a short game after this yeah it's kind
of disappointing we wanted to do 2000 points of chaos
versus chaos corn and myrtle against slain and
cinch but it would have taken too long we basically
have to play right now then I'll do the video
take it to Alex and he'll try to upload it before
leaving for us getting there tomorrow in the
morning okay well I don't want to keep you guys
waiting I thank you so much again for coming onto
the Krammenkameen podcast I really appreciate the time
and I want you guys have a great game that's what
it's all about but thank you very much thanks for
your time and my pleasure thank you very much for
sharing your story it's been fascinating I'm really
glad that you guys had a friendship over 30 years
playing second edition 40k and you never argue about
it that's amazing yeah that's after the better we
can't argue because otherwise we won't have
anybody left to be able to pack up your models and go
home and say I'm never playing with you again and
it's impossible isn't it yeah it's good you guys
play with a good spirit and I really enjoy your
videos and long base share I hope they will continue
for a long time in the future and I'm sure you've
got some great stuff planned for terrain and
armies and getting stuff painted I'd love to look
forward to the orc army when it's finished when it
comes back from the from the commission painter and
yeah interesting closing guys thank you very much
for coming on today thank you very much yeah thanks
a lot okay see you