Thank you very much again for downloading another episode.
Of the chronic. Men podcast.
I hope you enjoy our conversation today as the
podcast still is in hiatus. I want to apologize to my good
friend Phil, who we had to cancel again on Friday.
So really sorry about that mate, but we'll have you back on next
month when things start getting back to normal again here at the
studio and I have more time to chat with these wonderful people
out there in the world talking about all aspects about the
hobby. So sorry again about about that,
Phil, But we'll have you back on next month, mate.
And along with a host of other people coming on to talk to you
guys, which would be great. So I look forward to hearing
their stories. But for today, this is a
flashback going back to one of our live streams I did with
Jimmy and with Krell from the Old World Lives podcast.
If you haven't heard of it, please go and check it out.
It started off as a 6th edition Wham, a fantasy podcast, but now
it's sort of that plus the old world.
They talk a lot about the old world as well and about their,
their about product releases, about hobby.
They're into me converting, collecting, painting and their
shows go for a good one hour and a half or two hours long and
they're always a good listen. I, I enjoy the conversations all
of those guys have. There's about, there's a number
of number of people there, about 5 members, maybe four or five
members and maybe 3 regulars. But yeah, I've listened to them
for years and it was a great opportunity to have them on here
to talk to me about all different kinds of aspects of
different things. And we, we initially started
talking a lot about video games and I've edited that out.
So if you want to see the full video, you need to go to the
Crown to Command Games channel and click on the live tab at the
top there. And you'll, you'll be directed
to all the live streams I've done with various past and new
guests for the for the show. And of course, Jimmy's been on
twice, talking about more time the second time and initially
talking about how we got into the hobby on the podcast.
So it's great, always great to have Jimmy on.
He's a great guy. They're both really wonderful
people and they they have a great passion for the hobby and
I think that comes out in many ways more ways than one in this
conversation. So I really enjoyed it.
We had a few beers and I think Jimmy had a fair few too many
whiskeys or something, I think, and I think Carl had one or two
too many coffees during that morning.
But I hope you guys enjoy it. Please sit back at your brushes
out you get your paints and miniatures out because I want
you to paint and do some hobby as you listen.
OK guys, so enjoy and take care. Can I, can I tell a story, Josh?
Don't you always tell stories? Scroll always.
Feel like feel like an old man who did in darkness in like
basically some rough home scroll by the fireplace.
I have a story for your young adventurer of a time long
forgotten. No, because like one of the one
of the recurring tropes we found when we had a podcast was that
like people who sent us stories And like one of the recurring
stories that everybody had in like different variations was
like either they had like really fond members playing where I'm
fancy or they met like a really good friend or spouse playing
their hobby. And like, it's amazing how the
hobby itself has gone from a fringe activity into being
played by like Henry Cavill of all people.
But one of the recording stories we got like a trope is it always
starts like this. I went to a thrift sale against
my wish. So like they go to like a yard
sale or like a Rumbles. Do you know, like a jumbo sales.
It's like when everybody sells stuff from like schools because
their kids moved out or whatever.
And they can usually get get like back in the day you could
get like a 910 Nintendo 8 bit for like £5 or something because
you know, the parents don't want to have the stuff around or did
say like original transformer stuff for like pennies on the
dollar because nobody knew what was worth.
And Anthony wasn't around. And one of the stories we always
had just like we kept hearing and we all wanted to be part of
was basically I went to a yard sale and they bought like a bag
of old hammer for like pennies on the dollar.
And actually a couple of years ago, my kid would have been
sick. So it's two years he had been to
kickboxing and we went to eat Subway because he loves Subway.
And I just want to throw that in if anybody wants to eat Subway.
My kid loves it. Probably because the bread is
technically not allowed to be bred in France.
It's called sugar from story actually.
So like we went, it's not legally allowed to be bred.
That's true. That's not the joke.
So like we went to a yard sale that you have in the center of
Stockholm every Sunday from way back in the 80s.
So you can basically put out whatever you want for sale.
And when I was younger, basically people used just flog
stolen goods there because there's no regulation.
So we went there one day and we walked among the table and tried
to explain to him, like, what's a George sale and what's
haggling? So we came to like a small
forgotten table way back in the corner where it's like a big
Rastafari dude standing around, like nodding to invisible music
and like pointing at stuff like the stereo and like stuff.
And I saw like a weird box peeking out between a couple of
like, Persian rugs, which I presume were good ones.
But we're now like soiled beyond comprehension and like a
Garfield clock. And I was like, so it's like
walking like, you know, when you try, you know, Josh, when you're
trying to teach your kids and you have to talk like, you know,
everything in the world, like, son, when you do haggling, what
you want to do is like, and I live 1 and was peeking out
between the boxes was like, I have the box here.
It's an old like Apple Macintosh 2 video card box.
Oh wow. And next to it was, and I'm not
kidding, the original Rhino Mark two plastic box.
And it was like the Rhino Mark two screw two of them and then
the Apple two box and underneath it was the original Warhammer
Rogue Trader plastic Space Marine.
Box still. Oh nice.
So I brought it out and I checked and it was like 40-50
Marines still on spruce and the original box in really good
condition. So I tried like, feign interest
to this Rastafari guy and like, hey, what do you want for this?
And I'm sorry. And one is like, yeah, man, I
want to know what I want, but maybe that one, another one for
like €60. And I'm like, I don't know, man.
I had this as a kid and like, it's not complete.
And my kids like, but Daddy, you said.
It's an incredible find. Shut up.
And the Rastafari man was like, Nah, I wanna know what Adobe one
thought. And I'm like, well, I know like,
and I have to do the classic like you have to walk away a
bit. I'm like, I don't know, like £60
and I walked away and like I went back and just as I turned
my back, there was the man who was and I'm sorry again if I
found someone. The anthropomorphic
personification of a guy who collects trains like he was
bawling is like glasses. He has like he smelled of
perfume, but also underlying of regret and like brand and like
his wise and class stretched for the box.
And I'm like, well, it's not complete, mate.
And I could see a tasked and agreement in his eyes.
Like you and me may share you and I may share the hidden gold
within. But if this Rastafari man knows
it's actually worth, we're fucked because he's going to
take it to eBay. And he answered a nasally voice
from deep within his rat like face.
It's not complete and that greatly diminishes the value.
And Rastafari man looks like Oh well no, not one of them yet.
Or face. So I'm like, well, I can take
both of these boxes, but I don't need like the small rhino.
I don't know, it's called a rhino.
It's like a truck. He's just looking at like OK, so
I think I took like that Apple two box.
The cons can come back and like the Rogue Trader, like original
plastic marines still on screw. And like I sold.
I think I got all of them for like €40, which is like a really
good price. And I, I took the mark to Apple
box as it was so like I wasn't quite aware what's in it.
And I know like the Rhino got bought up by another collector,
really appreciates all stuff and actually sold.
I tried to go on the old hammer group and a mini hammer group
because I have like the original heavy weapon screw stealing
white lead and I have all stuff. But I want to sell it at a
decent price, but I also want to make sure that a collector got
it. So I forget the name now, but
the guy who bought it actually lives in Great Britain, and he
showed me a picture because he framed the original box.
He's a huge collector. I'm so happy he got it because
usually the people get these stories.
Like I made a tremendous find in a yard sale.
They usually set it off. But sometimes you get it to like
a collector who you know was going to appreciate it.
Sorry I rambled again. I found two of my really old
boxes. So I found my Imperial Space
Marines. Yeah, yeah, it's a bit damaged.
I got this I got this baby full on sprue on on the gaming
convention Gothcon nothing like 2012 full box for like 300
Swedish krooner I believe should be around $30 ish and the this
box is in better condition. It's the Imperial Prince
authors, Imperial Dwarfs. I think I have like half the
units still somewhere in my bits box.
I did convert the command group. Well, so here, there we guys go.
The yeah, amazing regiments of renown.
They even had these little stories lower about the units on
the backside of the box. It was amazing.
Yeah. Rules, stats and everything.
So a lot of these guys I used up for a Morton project and I kind
of want to get more of these guys for my existing orc.
Orc. What?
What I'm saying, the Dwarf army, I'm a I'm a heathen now.
I'm drunk. I guess all short dwarfing all
short miniatures just look the same to me, Jimmy.
I mean, if if you think about it, if you think about it, the
dwarfs is the missing link between scathing and Night
Goblins. I mean, Night Goblins lives in
caves. They're small, scathing.
You need to drink more or less. I can't make up to my mind, but
like dwarfs up Roji, they're small.
Ellipse in caves. Yosh this is another elgi scape.
Even or the goblins like the elves and dwarfs don't like the
elves. So basically when a scathing and
a night goblin meets up, the love child of that event is.
OK, so basically Jimmy, no, no, no.
Swedes are like the proud DA we we hold the grudges, we make
things of incredible beauty, and we do live next to the infested
haunted caves. Whoa, you play?
No, no 3D prom plays. War stone in.
Denmark. Denmark is basically a night
goblin. Haunted, crooked monary, small,
vicious, angry daggery every hand.
Eating mushrooms by the Norwegians and the Norwegians,
they're they're just scaven. They're Chaos Dwarfs.
No, no, no man, That's the Finnish guys.
That's finished. How?
Dare you? The Finnish are the proud kids
left. They're like the bulwark in
chaos. But like the dude 3D foundry
plays war zone. War Zone is an amazing miniature
game from way back in the 90s, which they actually made a
collectible card game called Newton's Chronicles, which I
played when I was younger. And there's also a comic about
it and a set of role-playing books.
And like it's so it's so incredibly grim hammer.
Like it's so grim dark. Basically, mankind is run by
mega corpse and they started like doing space exploration and
then they went to Mars and they're like, hey, there's this
weird like inscribed gate thing. There's like a huge dark marbled
plate. We're just going to live it out.
Oh God, it's Satan and literally a hell dimension open up on Mars
and all the mega corpse are like going from this is something's
rather upsetting. Chaps.
We have Britannica. I believe we should do something
too. Well, we here at the Capital
Company believe this is an amazing way to actually use hell
energy. And then you have like the robot
faction called cybernetics, like mankind is doomed.
Robots cannot feel fair. We shall use robots to fight
Satan. It will be great.
And then you have like traditional like Chinese, Asian,
which is known as Mishima. And they're like we are a
Cybatsu from 1980s. You fear us.
But also, we have Mecas. It's like the entire setting is
amazing. Also, somebody said we're going
to miss out on insulting Danes. No, no, like, no.
It's like breeding or like eating pickled herring.
Is this something you always do? You could wake me up in the
morning and like, the Danes are coming.
The Danes are coming. It's like Russia invents Europe.
I sleep. The Danes cross the border.
Real shit. Yeah, my son, my son is watching
like this history show and it's like.
PP. What did Gustav Vasa do?
And he actually unified Sweden way back in 1523.
And I'm like, you saved us from wild profiler of the Danes.
Let me tell you, when Charles the 20th lit fire to attend for
our country just to fight the Danes to make sure they couldn't
live there. It's like PP what a bad people
per chance. Like it's important that we
don't judge them by model conventions, but they did kill a
lot of people. By people I mean mainly Danes.
So a OK son a OK like war zone is a great setting and game.
I still like if I go rumbling back there I still have them
because there is a faction known as the Brotherhood, which in
many way is the predecessor. I think to the Gray Knights they
are a monastic order. Jimmy, did you ever play like
Mutant Chronicles or like never did?
I saw I saw a lot of the models in the old hobby store, but I
never got into it. I was like, I don't know if you
read Manginum when you were younger, like the.
I did. I did.
Yeah, I did. They had an entire comic arc
from Mutant Chronicles in there. Yeah.
Also, somebody said that fellow Swede, you're going to drop off
your kids and do our vault here off their own, he made.
Just. Get him out of there, take a day
off, get the kids out, put some Jew time in there.
Oh God, I'm too drunk for this. As they told me when I fell
asleep as our my wife was giving birth to our son.
Nobody really asks the dad how he's doing.
So you got to think about yourself buddy.
Get the kids out of there. True story actually.
She'll never forget, no. So like the Danes are night
goblins, yes, and the Norwegians are Chaos Dwarfs, yes.
I guess the Finnish would be. The Finnish would be for the
troll country. No, no, no, the trolls are the
troll country. They're not.
Trolls. They are no trolls.
Do you know how much of A history of the death we have?
Defense. We love the trolls.
Stop quoting your girlfriend and while you're dating.
So it says someone who played Mutant role-playing game back in
the days. Mutant Chronicles compares to
what AOS did to Warhammer Fantasy Battle.
So I dislike it on principle. Then they move.
The move was can't be fun though.
Yeah, because Mutant was the role-playing game, which was
like it was you would have loved the Josh.
It was basically like, OK, so civilization is over and
sentient animals now run the world.
However they have the same issues as before, a role to make
a character. And like my first character was
a four armed platypus with a scorpion's tail who who glowed
in the dark because like when you make your character, you
roll everything on the table. Yeah, yeah, it's it's super fun.
It's super fun. It's it's basically the Realms
of Chaos and Pokémon merge together.
Yeah, yeah, kinda, kinda. I like, I like the descriptions.
So I when when I play the the old Mutant Chronicles, it was
like around 2000 and two 2001 or I believe, because all of us who
were into Mutant Chronicles, we were heavily into where I'm in
fantasy. So I so all the characters were
like kind of warhammery were like rat mutants.
So yeah, rogue like. So gave an assassin so to say.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Quite fun to play, but.
I played. I played with Tom and my friends
Mold the Basement, he said. It was essential to get the
feeling to play the Mold the Basement, which was an old
bombard shelter. This is this checks out We we
used it on on old gums gourd to play our.
Youth center, like a rec center, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, like all these old sofas, like you can smell the
Alcoholics to own this previously.
Brilliant. Yeah, but yeah, but I mean, part
of the fun in Newton Chronicles was all the random tables
because you could roll up like when you find something you can
roll on tables. And I know we found like 4 decay
miniatures without they mentioning it was 4 decay
miniatures. It's like they mentioned it's
small figurines and they're like thoroughly explain what a space
marine is without calling it a space marine.
But all the other things in the game is also fun because I mean,
when you find something that the game master needs to explain
what it is without saying what it is, you find this.
It's a box and it lights up and there's this disc which spins
around inside it. It's a fucking microwave, guys.
It's a fucking microwave. There's this disc that spins
around inside the box and it lights up.
As Adm you you have a lot of fun about that because like
basically you have to treat you're like you have to treat
the players like toddlers trying to not walk in the barbed wire.
You see coils of a strange substance.
You get the immediate impression that this might be dangerous.
It's always like what that one guy is like I'm going to roll
into it and I'm like, you wish to roll into the coils of what
could be basically called razor like wire.
Yes, you're stuck in the razor like wire and cannot move.
You're bleeding. Ah, this is unfair.
Why did the DM do that? Or like I have to explain
concrete a strange. Poor substance I remember.
Seems to be. I remember.
And they're like, I'm going to eat it.
I remember when our GM was explaining a portable home.
It was a fucking. Van.
It was so throw thorough. It's a portable van.
Everyone's like, I can fit this in my pocket now.
It's a fucking van, guys. But that's a portable home.
You will never know the pain of being like a native English
speaker in Sweden in the the early 2000s, when everybody
wanted the game to be fully done in English, but everybody wasn't
like, really great English. And I'm like, you walk into the
shed in the stillness of the darkness, you can see a scythe,
a shovel and a hole in the back. It sounds like, oh, there's a
hole in there. Can I talk to her?
I'm like, yes, there's a hoe. I grabbed the hoe.
You're currently holding a hoe. Oh, man, did you guys hear it?
I'm holding a hoe and I'm like, roll 2D6 for making a wig and
intuition test. Yes.
You now realize hoe is also the name of farming implement.
Oh, is it? Yeah, yeah.
I mean, Music Chronicles gives me a lot of good memories.
It's like if Josh heard the term bomb rush.
Then it's like, oh, I don't know about that.
That seems right. Unpleasant.
It sounds like a bad. Curry to me.
Yeah, if we're, if we're really going to go off the deep end,
just really ask me about any. White.
Wolf game made in the early 2000s you're.
Uncontrollable, uncontrollable man.
You just go for. It man, you just go.
Go ahead, go ahead. So back in the.
Day. No.
So like one of my first rolling game experiences was the White
Wolf of Vampire and Masquerade. Because back in the day, like
you didn't know anybody else from the golf rock scene.
You basically had to go into the center of Stockholm and find a
dried out fountain. I think I've said the story
sometimes. And like, you had to approach
the people sitting around the trench coats and like, Hard Rock
T-shirts because it's like finding an Oasis in a desert or
like a stillness in a Russia in the Russian crowd because
they're like hip hoppers everywhere and trans people,
like reggaeton people. And then it's like a small
clique of black Khilad people in the middle of a sweltering
summer of 35°. Plus.
You're sitting around in black clothes trying to look cool in
both essences of the world while like, sweating.
This checks out. It does.
Yeah, I have no idea how you found like rock, golf or video
game people in javelin. I assume you just like grew up
together from being young mushrooms.
Being, I mean, you know, when I was, when I was a young lad of
13 years old, I went to last year a couple of times, you
know, you know, the big city. The rushing Knights confused
him. I remember the stairs move on
themselves. I remember the highlights of 6th
edition when I got to order my bits online and got to pick them
up on Games Workshop store in Stockholm because I couldn't get
them sent to me in Javelin, so I needed to go to Stockholm to
pick things up. We give them a lot of crap, but
Games Workshop staff were really kind in teaching me how to use a
fax. Because that's how you ordered
your spare. Parts Oh Jesus.
Oh yeah, you find that I. Had like a hand dripping water
and my my penmanship is really weak, which is Josh can tell you
it was basically a floggable offense in the 90s like they
would they would like my teachers would always say like
emeritus flaw on my character, like I was born out of wedlock
in the 1800s. Like yes, young trans penmanship
is rather lacking. And they said in the sort of
scathing tones as if I was like, I don't know, I was born with a
red right hand or like a tail. Yes, your penmanship is rather
bald. And I'm like, but I speak two
languages and I know a lot about history.
And yet your penmanship leaves something to be desired.
So like, I went to game. Workshops.
I bet you're right-handed and right left-handed.
No, like I could write equally bad with both hands, which
always confused my teachers. And they're like, have you tried
writing with your other hand? And I was like Val Kilmer in
Tombstone. I'm your huckleberry.
And so right in my left hand, like it looks equally shit here.
I'm like, well, I'm actually right-handed.
This looks worse somehow. Well, I can use the other hand.
Yes. You have to get a pen license
and you have to get, like a driver's license for doing math
back in the day when before they would let you step up a class,
you had to take a driver's license in, like, multiplication
and division. So they sat you down.
Yeah, Yeah, because they sat you down and, like, left you to your
own devices in like a corner where nobody could bother you
and you had to do, like, a test on time.
And if you did it like you, when you have like, the morning
assembly in the groups, you sit in a ring and they're like, and
the following kids have gotten to their driver's licenses in,
like, multiplication or addition.
And you got, like, a laminated card where you wrote your name.
Yeah. So you had to get your pen
license. And like, when when I went to
Games Workshop, I wanted to order like, the Spears Vendetta
because I was 13. I love vampires.
And the dude has skull mask. Like it wasn't easy to sell.
They're like, don't you want like the Birdman of Catraza,
they can fly and shoot. Something the Vampire Count army
is sorely lacking. Or maybe Braganza's besiegers.
Because in all earnestness, the heavy armor purveys and the PS4
shooting would greatly augment your No, I want the skull mask
man with the dagger and the clothes.
Sir, Sir, he has. Instead.
Mask pushed together, he causes fear and they're like, dude your
entire army causes fear yes, it would be dramatic Why?
Why would a vampire hire mercenaries?
Because he doesn't want to do things himself.
He is A and you're like well, OK, like this fact sheet.
So they gave me like, yeah, like a Dane.
So I had to fill it out. And like you got like a soldier.
You had to fill it out with penmanship.
And my penmanship was so bad that GW stuff, like they took
pity on me and gave me a new sheet.
And so I wrote like a shaky hand very slowly as the, as the
winter storm raged outside, Vest Sparrows, Vendetta.
And then they faxed it in. And then you had to come in the
store like once a week to see if they got your order because they
send them out in like batches. So sometimes you got like your
you got your stuff in a week and sometimes took two or three
weeks. And I still remember I got like
in a small box with a flip of lid and you open it up and like
inside in, like naked white metal was the spares vendetta.
And that's how you ordered everything back in the day.
If you need like, a spare arm for something.
Yeah. They even gave you like, free
stuff. Like you came in and like, hey,
like my vampire account was missing a horse body, which mine
was. I didn't get like the entire
horse. I just got like the metal head.
I'm like, hey, but I like a year ago I bought like the phone
Carstein dude on the horse and like the horse body was missing,
which I know it sounds like complete bullshit, but I'm not
lying and just look at I'm like, no, I remember you.
So just gave you a new one and like here, take a conciliatory
jumble through the bit screw and they have like an entire box,
like a tool box of yes, like metal arms and hats.
Jesus did. You remember, I know this was
around 6th edition. I don't know if it was around
5th or and previous, but they had these, the box were, I don't
remember, it was like like a yard sale box.
So they had like random models of GW in a box and it was like
random miniatures. Did you ever buy one of those?
Yeah, but in the in Stockholm, we have like this local game
store called Tadi Home and it's all pretty much everything.
Like it's all like they sold like, you know, fake magic
stuff. Fake, because obviously you get
the Newman arcane device. But.
Yeah. But also you can give them, you
can give them like 220, like 20 kroners or like 2 quids.
And then you could put your hand in the mystery box.
And the mystery box was like basically everything you got
from DW that was opened or like a blister and then you're going
to put it up. And I think DW had the same
thing. You could give them like 50.
Kroners and you just you got to put something on the box and
that could be like it could be anything.
It could be like a guy's good. Mike Fracker from like the the
online game was called the online game for Warren Fancy or
like you could get like a random flash git guy.
You could get anything in that. Box I remember I, I remember
buying one of these boxes and it was like 5 of the what are they
called the voland's vendors 5 normal guys.
So no command, no, no voland. It was like the full price of a
normal normal equivalent box from G dub.
So I didn't know what I bought until I opened the box.
And I love this thing because it was like the models are kind of
cheaper than buying the actual models.
But I randomly got everything and I just loved getting these
nights and was like, yeah, I had these five nights so.
I'm going to. Go ahead and buy the Vol
inventors command group and a couple of more guys.
Then suddenly have a unit of 10 guys, which I regrettably sold
slash, traded for normal plastic knight goblins of the late 5th
slash, the 6th edition era. And I regret this whole trade.
I remember, I remember how I was all into this fucking night
goblins because I could feel fanatics and I love night
goblins and fanatics. And he was like, I mean, the Vol
inventors, they're a good unit either in 5th edition or in 6th
edition. They're a good cavalry units.
I mean they're kinda kinda kinda cheaper than buying the normal
heavy cavalry for 6th edition and I and I mean like in the in
5th edition Voland is a good guy.
I mean he he has good fighting stats and everything.
He's a hero level champion so to say for unit which is likable
anything. Yeah, as as you know, Josh being
a long time listener to the old Golden podcast and if somebody
want to listen to it, I'd really appreciate it.
Being a friend of Jimmy's and playing Warhammer Fantasy 6th
edition is basically less than being traumatized in every army
there is like Jim is like, oh, here's my nice night goblin army
and I'm like, well, OK, my skins going to blow up.
I just pretend you'd be a pleasant fellow.
You're a 55 fanatics. They're like.
I love phonetics, okay, And I love my problem.
You're getting a beast in the face over I mean.
And then Jimmy. I mean, he starts shooting
himself in the foot and it's like, well, my shaman, who is my
general is now going to eat 15 mushrooms and then he flies away
like Team Rocket in the original Pokémon series.
Or like you play against Gabe and you're like, OK, I know
scathing. You know, it's like and then I
summon an entire. Horde of rats.
To kill everyone on the field and like, and now you're 250
point vampires turned. It was scathing the slave and
I'm like, surely these are not the rules.
OK, they are the rules. And then you realize that Jim is
basically a glorified card shark.
It's like, hey, let's play a couple of nice games of gin
rummy and then you don't have any clothes on you.
Kinda, kinda. So don't listen to Krell too
much again. I'm gonna ask Guy.
Of course, Guy.
He said, drinking whiskey by the cup full from his turtles cup.
He drinks whiskey. What's you?
You can trust me. I'm drinking whiskey from a
Ninja Turtles cup. Very awesome.
Yeah. Definitely, I think, I think I
still have like the original TMNT 1987, Leonardo Donatello,
Rafael Michelach, you know, action figures with all the
accessories somewhere in the box here.
I did have, I did have, I kid you not.
I did have the whole toy range. But The thing is, 1997, my house
burnt down and everything was lost.
Everything, yeah, was a bummer. Only thing that survived The
only thing that's ever survived was my NES and a couple of games
that I borrowed my to my cousins.
And somehow, mysteriously, all all of your brother's stuff.
Yes. Survived exactly.
I mean you guys, I mean it was around 1997.
It was this toy called, I think it was called Armstrong.
It was like a Stretch Armstrong. Yeah, yeah, Stretch Armstrong.
And my, my, my younger brother was born the 1st of December.
And he got one of these toys. And I, like, clipped up one of
these, one of his arms to see what was inside and eventually
hid the toy belief beneath a pillow in our car couch.
And I, I was like, denying everything.
No, I didn't cut him, cut his arm off.
No, no, no, no, it wasn't me, but it was me.
And like five days later, our house burned down and which was
yeah, yeah. It's like, bloody hell.
The only toys that I had was like toys I brought with me to
school was like 10 or 11. So everyone brought their toys
to school, played during races. So that was the only things that
survived along with the NES that I borrowed to my cousins.
And yeah. The lengths you will go to to
not confess to burning. Like burning down your house
instead of telling you to cut up Stretch Armstrong.
Josh is going to Josh. You're going to like a trigger.
You're going to need a trigger warning on this.
Trigger warning. Has to vivid the descriptions of
self harm. What happened?
To Stretch Armstrong. I don't know, is listening to
type serial negative. Stretch Armstrong is wearing
like a black trench coat. He says he's cutting himself
just to make sure that he feels something.
I don't know, mom. He has a lot of darkness.
I remember my dad so vividly. What the fuck happened to this
toy? Someone cut it open and it was
like it's. Like a voodoo he was.
Asking. He was asking my brother, two
years younger than me. It's like, what the fuck did you
do to it that big? You're like PP per chance.
I aspired him because of Yonder Stretch Armstrong.
He missed a big guy. He would never lie about this.
Jimmy Junior. Yeah, I mean.
PP I fetched your switch. You may punish him with it,
Papa. I'm the older brother.
I would never hurt my younger brother ever.
Even though he's a favorite, I would never hurt him ever.
Forget for being loved by your parents, I mean.
This this is the first time ever of me confessing to this.
Yeah, I doubt. I doubt that my father, my
mother or my brother will ever see the video.
My girlfriend will see it, and she might bail on me.
She might bail on me. But we'll see.
We'll see. It's a lot.
It's a lot, Jerry's. There's a confession.
Time will, time will. Tell Josh I think that like get.
Loud of. This.
Don't the switch have to be proficient in eating sous
strumming? Yeah, we do.
But much like whittling and invading Denmark, it's a skill
we all master a young age. But then we tend to not use it
very much. Yeah, because like opening a can
of sous strumming is now actually it actually counts as
aggravated. Assault what?
What is it? What does it mean?
It's fermented. Herring.
Yeah, Fermented. Herring.
It's actually the fermented herring as well.
I. Remember, no, no, not picket
herring. I mean not picket Herring, this
is. The This is fermented.
It smells like shit. Yeah, it's actually illegal to
remember in public. Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I bet some
of you guys know who brother Alpha Boo says he has the what
are they called? The he used to do the.
Emperor have a. Speech Emperor yeah, Emperor
yeah. He lives in Jabla and I visited
him once. We played all We played a couple
of the of the new Unicramonda games and.
Drunk him is best. Jimmy.
Yeah, go on. Drunk him is best Jimmy.
And during one of those games we visited him during the summer
two or three years ago and it smelled horribly.
When its neighbors just opened the box of fermented herring, it
smelled like fucking shit. Death, my death.
Yeah, yeah, it was like death and.
Died of the. Yeah, I used to work in like a
fish store and I'm. Trying to find the word for
this. I'm trying to find the word for
this but the only thing I can find is.
It's fucking horrible. Yeah, we have.
Like actually we have. Two houses away, two houses away
from his house and it smelled this fucking horrible.
Do you know, we think there's a Swedish word for, like, the all?
Yeah. Well, yeah.
Basically rod and fish, but way worse because, like, there's a
word for the all permeating smell that, like, shuts down all
of your nasal functions, make you feel bad, your eyes water
up, you feel a bit nauseous, and you regret even being around.
In Sweden we call that word Denmark this.
Isn't racist this isn't racist. This isn't just like we hate
we're Swedes, we hate Denmark. Denmark hates us.
It's. Like the thing.
The thing is, Danes that I meet, you go.
I go. Danes are Yeah, you go I.
Sorry. And it and it and.
It. We would never, we would never
in the face of a Dane say that we love their bear would never,
ever in our lives say, say to the face of a Dane we love your
beer, but we do. I mean, you're heard here.
We love Danish beer, but. Josh, have you ever done?
He said no and Denmark in the same sentence.
I feel kind of handed mute this, mute this, but you'll never hear
us ever saying. I was told this was the same
space you were Dame I. Didn't want to do.
That they were this waiting. But I will say one thing, like
from the Danish people I know, which are, which are great
people like Johannes, and from the By the Skulls podcast, yeah.
Oh, I bet they're great people. Wonderful.
But they're they're they're quite serious.
I know that the the demeanor is quite serious.
Like duck. Yeah, yeah, they.
Are. Dour people, but the Swedes seem
more fun and jovial and more. You know, Swedes are drunk,
beans are not. Beans are like like in in
Denmark, it rains most of the time.
Like when I'm talking to Johannes about it, it fucking
rains and it's cold and it's just bloody shit weather, you
know what I mean? So it it just just lowers their
demeanor down, like, you know, they're just down, you know what
I mean? But you guys seem to be much
more happy and jovial and laughing and we're.
That's. Yeah, yeah, I'm drunk.
And also we're between, we're we're stuck between the Danish,
the the Norwegian and the Danes. We need to like, put the mask
on. Do you know Josh?
You know why? Do you know why they're so
weird? This is actually true that the
Danish geographical topography is such that they don't have a
single mountain in Denmark. Oh, it's true.
Like the entire country doesn't have a single mountain because
like, they don't have, they don't have any mountain.
How do we have a country channel on?
How do you not have a country with a single piece of a
mountain on it? You know how you keep pissing
off the Germans? That's how you all your
mountains I. I hope I'm.
I'm pronouncing this right. Zhivago sistra.
I mean, this country starts just right up north above my country.
Yeah, of. Course you pronounce Doctor
Zhivago. Yeah, it's like the book.
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm drunk, OK, and I pronounce everything
wrong, but yeah. I can see drunk here in like
university bar like of course, and I speak Russian.
I'm a drunk sweet. Duh.
Sweet damn. Yeah.
Yes, goodbye. That's Zimba.
How old is it? I'm drunk.
Yeah. Come on, bro.
Come on. Thank you, thank you.
But yeah, the real search drumming community starts.
Right. Just slightly N above my where
where I live. Some people eat sue strumming
where I live and there are fucking abominations and they
don't. They don't deserve to live in my
county, but yeah. What?
Sorry, what is this? Is it?
Other fish. It's the firm, Yeah.
Herring. It's basically the herring,
yeah. Yeah, like you make the, you
used to make it by burying it underground and like a storage.
And it has to be birds long enough that, like the decay
process starts and it starts fermenting like an alcohol.
So back in the day, it was the only way to make sure that you
actually had nutritious food during like the dark months of
winter and autumn. Yeah, I mean normal.
It's like normal people would use salt on meat to keep their
meat like eatable. But as Scandinavians, we kept
fermenting like roughing our fucking fish.
But like, you know, it does have it does have an interesting like
nutritional aspect because in the same way, like Josh, you
live in Japan, you know, there's not to the fermented soybeans
and they have. NATO mate, this is it.
Mitto City, the capital. Yeah, I like NATO, particularly
if you have like the mustard on it, they usually get that.
Shit, it's like, terrible. I'm not.
Listen, you have veg, you're from Vegemite country.
I'd be really caught, Really caught.
You cannot be saying that that sort of stuff mate, come on.
Yeah, so like is there because it adds an added protein rich
part of an otherwise deficient diet.
Sushi drumming actually helps with the digestive tract and has
some additional nutritious like protein additions.
But in the modern world, you don't need suck is good, isn't
it? Modern world.
But like, if you ever want to know anything about Denmark,
there's this beautiful song from the 1990s.
It's from the educational documentary called Pocahontas.
And the song is called Savages. So when they sing about the
dance, they say savages, savages, barely even human
savages. Savages.
Not like you and me. I think they're hardly people,
which means they must be the drums of.
War. They're savages.
Savages. I fucking listened to this song
yesterday on YouTube. What's the fuck, man?
Synchronize definitely. What the hell?
Look, I think. I think 30 minutes ago, 30
minutes ago, Josh tried to show pictures of our armies to talk
about our projects. Rather be it refill, refill,
you're going to. Tell us a story starting.
Yes, or now. I remember the first time me and
Nicholas talked about starting a fantasy podcast.
We were at a Horace Harris event and me and him were playing
armies. Jimmy wasn't there because as
you should have promised to go, but he flaked at the last
second, which is anybody knows Jimmy's and essentially Java
thing. They don't understand
complicated things like clocks or time or the concept of money.
There are simple, few simple values.
So me and Nicholas was like. Everything Krell is doing, it's
like being. Like being married.
So like basically me and Nicholas were playing like 1500
points of where hammer horse. There's 4K and we're like
playing, playing. And I'm like, yeah, I shoot you.
And it's like, yeah, I can't. Charge you, I'm a fucking
alcoholic on a Friday morning. He's Swedish, so it's a part of
a culture. Me and Nicholas playing.
And then I was like cash, like Nicholas.
I saw there's like a retro game shop over there where they play
like I think they sell all 400 fancy managers if you're into
that. There's like Warhammer Fantasy,
you say a fantasy game. Well, yes, I do believe I'm
actually going to go buy some stuff.
And I'm like, yes, me too. So basically me and Nicholas
left a crowded event in middle of a game just to like fuck off
and run to old discount second hand miniature war game Plaza.
So we went in there and started digging through like old moving
cardboard boxes because they had everything in like boxes and you
pulled up like a sip lock bag and it said like €10 or
whatever. And was anything from like
metallic grave guard from 6th edition to like two hat first of
the Nagash. So like me and Nicholas kept
digging out miniatures and we must have been in there for like
the better part of an hour. Like time flowed into itself.
It started congealing. We lost track of time.
Like I bombed into someone. I'm like, oh, sorry.
I'm looking for like 6th edition Warhammer fantasy miniatures
like. Oh. 6th edition Warhammer
Fantasy. I play 4th edition Scathan and
look what I found. And he showed me like he had the
4th edition like scathing cardboard cards because he did
cards play 4th edition and I'm like Oh my God 4th edition.
Isn't that essentially Hero hammer?
And something we do from the other part of the store
answered. A nasal voice is actually a
violently unmisunderstood concept that is Hero Hammer.
It's mainly dragon hammer. And like a fourth guy came up
like stuttering in like well actually.
And I think me and Nicholas were in there for an hour and like, I
came out with a fistful of like Warhammer Fantasy Undead 4th to
6th edition. And Nicholas managed to find
like some of the very first Chaos Dwarfs he got like the
bazooka dude and a couple of like the old Byzantine Pope
hats. So we went back to the event and
the guy ran the event, which is a good friend, and on another
podcast of men called The Brandy and Heresy Freddie.
So we came in and Freddie lived in Australia for an awful load
of years, but it's also Swedish, so he says things in Australian
vernacular but with a Swedish accent.
So we came in. It's like, where the fuck if you
can't spin? It's a game going on that I'm
trying to sell the fucking scores mites.
I'm like, oh, we just went to find the fancy stuff.
I know all about the fucking fantasy miniature you're buying
drunk now, but you have to finish the game, don't you?
I'm like, I'm sorry but. Like I believe I won over
Nicholas like an hour ago. Well, well, I don't care about
winning. You have to go to point if I can
skins, don't you find you? I can't yes, yes, yes.
And we went and I'm like click this.
I think I won over. You would like 15 to one.
It's like right wherever you want.
And we have like sat in corners looking at old stripped metal
minis. Jimmy, do you remember when
Nicholas was going to do Chaos Wars?
I remember, yeah, Nick, Jimmy muted himself.
John, I think if if you want to move on, we should probably
start looking at the pictures of God of armies like Jimmy's
Wyvern and stuff. Yeah, Jimmy, I think your Jimmy,
your sounds muted, dude. You're not coming.
No. That's how I prefer him.
You're muted. You must have muted yourself.
Or something. I don't know what's going on,
but let Jimmy sort that outlet's go to the Glorious Bastards
section now, where we can see you're wonderful.
Hey, you got a picture of me? That's it.
You'll feel the mail order troll mate, which you're you're faxing
to basically. And Phil was packing your
orders, mate. He was picking and packing your
orders. Packing, Phil, We owe.
This country owes you a debt of gratitude we cannot repay.
Thank you for your service, Phil.
So we've got some epic stuff here now, Yes, go through this
mate. What?
What are you doing mate? This is actually the stuff I got
way back in 2015 when I bought it by the bucket loads.
So what you can see to write is the old Imperial robots which
later on become the dreadnoughts.
These are the Rogue Trader RTB 01 robots that you can see and
in the middle you have what used to be like a dreadnought command
section. He used to come with a banner
and everything, but if you look at him in the key night viewer
will notice that in fact, what you do get is the Imperial
robots and then initial outcast of the very first dreadnought
area, least in fact we call him the eggnog.
The guy in the middle to the left you will see a command
section with a library in the middle and another two plates of
infantry. Then unfortunately what you're
seeing are the newer models for what's called as the Jonas
imperialists. They're slightly bigger in cast,
but what that means is that actually with the upscaling of
the vehicles, the infantry actually look like you get 10
into Rhino. You also have some craters tank,
which is a new thing, and I painted all of them in the Tommy
a Red Classical Red Thousand Sun scheme because I really like
doing metallic schemes. I guess I.
Mean, they look good, dude. I mean, I really like all of
these, these original dreadnoughts from like Space
Crusader, like that design. Yeah, they're fucking awesome.
Yeah, they are. They are.
Do you play Epic at all, Josh? Epic man, I like epic dude.
It was my first game man. Like from apart from fantasy, I
couldn't ever afford fantasy. So I played Epic Space Queen
like solidly every weekend with Chris.
Every every every weekend we're playing.
Like I was playing chaos, he was playing Orcs or Elder.
It's my favorite all time game. Then I have something in here
that you might like. It is the original Metallic
Reaver Titan. Oh.
I got it for like 15 kroners or something, it's hard to see
here. Rastafarian or what?
That's. Dude, that's super cheap.
Yeah, like I got it because the guy only had the pieces, so I'd
like to find the pieces in 15 boxes, but I got them on here.
I also have like one of their very first metallic Knights in
here. I like a bracelet too mate.
That's. Cool.
Oh, thanks. My daughter made it for me.
So when I go to the gym in the morning, even if I by myself, I
don't have to be alone. Yeah, she's 4, so you know.
Oh. That's nice.
She has a complete understanding.
This is my Malcador tank. This is from like I think a 2002
cast that they did entirely in resin.
It's for my Siege of Racks campaign.
We're playing the old Imperial armor books.
So I think this Imperial Army armor 789 really sometime in the
early 2000s. So this is the racks renegade
militia. Basically it's an entire
campaign book about an armor world rising in rebellion
against Emperor. So they have the entire like
line of basically, I guess you could call them Chaos Imperial
Guard if you want to like be read reductionist.
And for this one, I experimented a lot with like oils, which you
could do in the older books for fortune mouse class and a bunch
of pigments for the tracks. I'm actually kind of happy with
the way this turned out, which I'm trying to stay in a way
without sounding smuggler than I usually do.
But if you see there's a bunch of decals and then I tried to
hit the fine line with in shipping it a lot and putting
oils, But sure, still making sure that you can see the
majority of the decals. It says five O 1 because my
entire armoured company is the 500 and fighting first.
Nice, that's good. I think it's a really nice solid
paint job because when I you know, with with with weathering
and that kind of thing, you've got a, you've got a fine line
between it looking like complete shit, like it's covered in or
it's actually, you know, like a realistic kind of weathering
job. So I think you did a really nice
job in that one actually. Well, it's like a fine thanks
your entire right, because you could either use weathering one
a few ways. The first one is to cover up a
bad paint or cast job, which is fully acceptable.
The second one is just going crazy because then you're not
going to see anything of what you did in previous stages.
And the third one is basically accentuating what you have
without trying to drown out what's there.
Because if you have a good model, which the macro tank and
it weighs like a kilo, if you hold it in your hand, it's a
good exercise. What you want to do is
accentuate like the rivets and the tranks and just the
indenture details. No, I think you do a solid job.
This was really nice. Very, very.
Thanks, it means a lot coming for people like you and you me.
This is for Adeptus Titanicus which is the mini game which I
would recommend as stellar miniatures on this one.
This is sort of where my ambition overreached my common
sense because if you look at the Warhound Titan in the left hand
corner and the Reaver Titan behind them.
I want to do marbling on the Carapus and details.
So basically half of all the armor plates I had I did
marbling on. The issue was the marbling and
the metallic blue did complement each other.
However you can barely see it towards the bottom model because
I need to do a lot of dust pigment.
Also for the reaver Titan I want to show that they have some
types in mechanicum so they have mechanic in red for the weapon
systems themselves. But on the main corpus, as well
as what we can only call the crotch plates and the toe
plates, we have marbling and blue.
So these are going to work to fight next to my father and
sons. And it's from one of the Horse
Heresy books that they actually have a Titan house that fought
alongside them that. Was really good.
If you're doing transfers and you want to use microsets,
Microsoft do it because it allows actually the decal itself
to mold itself around the rounded surface of a pauldron.
Yes, I've actually started learning more about decals
because I never really used them in the 90s.
And then I think progressively I started doing freehand a lot,
freehand a lot more. So now I'm sort of, you know,
not perfect, but I'm pretty proficient at doing like, you
know, certain designs and that kind of thing, like freehand.
But yeah, obviously for like if you're going to do like 15 Blood
Angel insignias on shoulder pads, you want decals and you
want them to look really nice and perfect.
So yeah, there's a bit of an art behind decals now, I think, you
know, now in the modern age, you have all these kind of additives
to add to them, to soften them and bend them and that kind of
thing. Like your freehand is insane.
Like I've seen it looks amazing. I've done it so many times and
I've been for years and years, like all my black, all my Dark
Angels had all the insane. I didn't have decals because
when the, when the plastics first came out for, for sorry
for the terminators, there were decals.
You didn't get a decal sheet, so everything had to be done
freehand. So I did all, all the every
single and seeing that all in freehand.
So it was a good nice sort of learning experience doing that.
But here we go. We've got Jimmy's project now,
which is the Wyman. It's the classic world of Wyman
with the shaman on top there. But these wings, Jimmy, which
wings did you use for this, mate?
Jimmy, you're still you're still not coming through buddy Audio,
can you? Hear me now?
Yes. Can you hear me now?
Yeah, yeah. Can you hear me good?
Good so the wings are from the I think it's either it's late 7th
or early or rather 8th edition black dragon wings.
So that's where the wings come from it's on a Sharif base it's
the more older shaman on org wagon.
So what I did here is I wanted bigger wings because the old
wings were quite small. And so I just added bigger wings
and sculpted the scales to make them more mesh in with each
other. Yeah, yeah.
Just can't wait to paint the model.
Yeah, yeah. I I almost have the my almost
have my 20. I think it's 20, yeah, 20 man
unit of the Kev Adams or sculpts.
It's a mix of the big guns and the and the orc boys that he
made. So can't wait just to finish
these guys up. I think I have five guys fully,
completely painted and there's about 1515 of them have them
here. You are really fucking pissed,
baby. Yeah, I'm I'm fucking pissed.
I'm fucking pissed. But fifteen of the guys almost,
almost just yeah. So we see on the screen now is
the two two normal voice finished.
So I'm, I'm doing all the Shields free hand, which is
super fun, but also challenging as fuck.
I need to make yeah, because I need to make all the Shields
different, which is like I said, it's at least challenging.
Yeah. Anything.
Yeah. Can I say something about this
you mean? So what I want to say about this
is it's a bit, if you guys know what slap shop is, do you know
about about the slap shop? Paid slap shop?
Yeah. So, yeah.
So I, I primed these guys black followed with a 45° of what is
called this greasier. Yeah, sentence all 45° of
greasier. And then I go around with the
let's see here I have the the skin is Militarum green followed
with built on green, which is a wash on all the creases around
the skin. Yeah, the game Air because I
love the air paint range because it's it's it's, let's say it's
quite watery, it's creamy. So I do a goblet green
highlight. Creamy.
Yeah, it's creamy. It's creamy.
It's like, it's like, we can do this.
You can say it is Swedish and I'll translate it for you if
that helps. Nah Nah, that's fine.
It's fine. Also there's a screamer skull
highlight which would be the what would the old skull?
I don't remember the old paint range but the screaming skull
highlight like the the edges of the muscles.
Then I do a flesh glaze on all the knuckles, ear tips, lips,
cheeks, eyebrows, elbows and knees with the contrast medium
with the P3. This is an old range of paint
range P3 medium flesh on all the.
All the uprised edges and then I do a very, very washed down
Imperial Fist which is a contrast paint range on all the
green areas. So it's like fits in with all
the greens. The iron I paint with, it's an
air black. It's like a very watered down
black paint with air silver. I think these are, let's see
here, I don't have them here, but I think they're army paints
arranged the water down. So I go with a very dark irons
base and I just edge highlight all the all the edges with the
same air silver, which is a very bright silver.
And then I add the rust of the what's called The Dirty down
rust. I don't know the paint range to
be honest. It's like it's like a
Washington. It's it's so I just added down
on all the recesses, add some water to bring out the effect of
the rust and if you look carefully on the pictures on the
screen. Yeah.
There's on all the recesses, all the recesses, there's rust.
Otherwise it's just like the black iron feel that you get
from like, well, burnt iron. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm trying to get all the old snake back
leather feel on all leather. There's not much, there's not
much leather seen on these guys because the belts are on the
back of the guys. So but yeah, get the you get the
feel. I just got to say something
about these like it's like drowning a citrus fruit.
It's a sublime because. Thanks.
It's.
It's sublime. Drowning a citrus fruit.
Sublime. Sorry, weird.
And there's so much care and love that's gone into this.
They just look amazing. Jimmy, I don't think I've told
you they're so good looking. All the Shields and the banners
are going to be free handed using like 3rd to 4th edition
feel on the miniatures. I mean, this whole unit is going
to be 4th edition miniatures. I want to I want to bring some
of the 3rd edition feel back to them.
Yeah, and I think, I think I love that banner, man.
Fucking hell. That's yeah it.
Looks insanely good. Yeah, thanks.
I love it. Yeah.
Really nice, man. I love, I love that shield.
Those Shields are just beautiful.
They've got that little deep Crimson red, but then they've
got the face like where it's got that sort of illumination where
right on the aspects of the eyes and around the the brows and the
lips and that kind of thing. That's really nice and
highlighted. But the rest is sort of recessed
back into shadow, which is really nice.
I really like that. Thanks.
So sorry to all the listeners
and watchers who are watching this.
I'm it's early, I haven't had a couple of drinks, but.
The term free sheets, the wind come to mind.
Jimmy. Yeah.
I mean crow. You got to start drinking next
time with this mate, because I'd love to see that we're seeing
you sober. I.
I already started. You think this was just coffee?
I have made some sort of. Whiskey in here from the start.
It's just like unlike Jimmy, I spent most of my like formative
years working in the bar and the restaurant industry, which, as
anyone can tell you, is a good way to get a cast Irons gullet.
I rarely drink beer, but I do drink pure Jimmy seen it usually
has to drink vodka. Like I drink like drinks like
I'll make a half vodka, half Red Bull and there's keep pouring
Red Bull in for a while because like that's how we raised.
No, like Jimmy's works are a great throwback to like the
great the golden days. And I do feel humbled sitting
here with the both of you because you're both amazing
painters and I'm glad to be around for the ride.
I somehow just got into doing stuff like military modeling
because I like doing like old school vehicle vicular tanks.
I like the old imperial armor but you guys are like true
artisans and skillful artists when it comes to like doing the
golden days use of heavy metal. And like I don't know if I ever
told you guys and Jim is drunk so you'll forget it anyway.
But like your guy your work is inspirational and exceptional.
Well done. Thanks mate, like I said your
your Reba Titans and your epic stuff.
It looks bloody amazingly honestly.
No thanks. Really good I.
Think it's the best stuff you've ever painted I've seen that
you've had no thanks. The other thing is really,
really good, mate. Honestly, those, those
especially the Titans, the, the, the neatness and the transitions
of the colors and everything, the transfers and the weathering
you've done the, that now that stippling effect you did for
the, the armour plates. That's really hard to do.
That's really hard to pull off. And I think he did a really
better job. I think he did it better than I,
I can do because I, I, I, I tried it and it's bloody really
hard. So I think he did a really nice
job on it so. I actually came up with a sheet
on how to do it a couple of weeks back and I'll show you how
to do it. As long as you haven't, I'll
show you, see. I did it by by bloody trial and
error mate. I need that CHEAT SHEET now.
Give me the CHEAT SHEET. And like Jimmy, the game is
drunk, so we should probably ask him what he really thinks about
a bunch of people in the gaming industry, no?
No, don't, don't. Jimmy, what do you really think
about Math Ward's impact in Warhammer Fantasy?
Be frank, Be frank. Yeah, that's Jimmy.
PP Tree, isn't that? Isn't that private to kill this
game? Yeah.
It is. It is.
That's a good segue. What what do you guys take?
Like I haven't listened to listen to last podcast you did,
I can't remember, but obviously you must have talked about the
old world. I know, I know.
It's been sort of building up over the last.
Was it 4 years now, three or four years now when it's
becoming to the conception to now realization, when they've
actually released it now into the world.
What do you guys take on it? What do you what do you guys
think about? It.
I fucking love it. I mean, for, for a modern game,
for a good modern game, it brings all the all the good
aspects of all the old games into one game, right?
And I, and I just love it for it.
I just love it. Oh, that's good man.
I'm glad you're really happy about it, girl.
What do you think, man? I played it, I've only had like
two games in so far and I've had a lot of fun with it.
Like every army feels different. It has a distinctual feel to all
of it, like it's a compromise between the best of 6th and 8th.
The one thing I miss, and this is just my personal pet peeve
and it's going to be so petty and granular, I miss having dice
for magic. So now in the old world, it's
kind of like, OK, I have a spell and I need this number, and I
roll the two dice and I add my power level to it and I get to
succeed. And then maybe you have one
dispel to cast during the game. Is this kind of really
disrupting what the magic phase is in this new edition?
Is it kind of balanced? Is it unbalanced?
It is balanced because now you do magic in different phases.
Like some of them go off in the movement phase.
So I'm going to go off in the shooting phase and go, some go
off and like in the close combat phase and like dispelling has
been reduced. But like, but like now you only
have like a characteristic test. You have your leadership and you
roll over it and then you add. But for me, you know, 4th
edition is the ultimate magic edition of Warhammer and I don't
know if you if you ever experienced 4th edition or
Warhammer Warhammer Renaissance. I haven't played it.
I've read the rules but I've never played it.
I've played 4th edition at 5th edition as is and like the cards
and the dice to me have the same feeling because it's something
visual and it's a meta game, so like it's incredible.
It feels good just holding the magic cards and magic items.
OK, So Nick says it's not really like Furt at all, OK?
So. Because I've never played Furted
so well. I'll never played third edition
too. And me and Nick, Nick actually,
Nick's actually in Japan here. He's my good friends who plays
One Raisins with me and a few other guys here and he organizes
events here. So I think we are talking about
playing third edition at some point.
So I really want to experience that edition for the first time
in my life. I've I've sort of played it.
This is my edition when I got into Warhammer.
This is the, this is the era where third edition was actually
prevalent then and they sold the books and stuff like that.
But I never actually got it to the table, so to speak.
We did it in an experimental game where we had like all the
minutes that we had on the on the floor because it was like 4
hammer back then. There were no tables, there were
no grass flocked, you know, beautiful kind of scene boards
or anything like that, which is like basically like on the floor
of your living room on that kind of stuff.
When you have like a green bedspread or like a sheet and
you have to put it on like a piece of books and stuff.
Yeah, you can do like a felt sheet or whatever to make up for
your your battlefield. So what does it say here?
More like Kings of War now. OK, so that's what it's like.
OK, gotcha. I don't believe that.
So I can't really say for the Kings of War community what
that's like, but magic's basically like that in the old
world. But yeah, I mean, you know,
obviously it's going to take some influences from old, from
the older editions and then some from modern games now from rank
playing modern games as well to make up this old world game.
But I'm, I'm really glad that you guys are playing it and
enjoying it. So that's great.
And like I said, you know, before, like, you know, I, I
don't think I'll ever get to play it as much, if ever, but
I'm just happy that if everyone's really excited about
the old world and they're buying miniatures and they're painting
models and that's what it's really all about, you know,
whatever addition you're into, I mean, it's, it's just nice that
we're enjoying this hobby together.
So that's good. Yeah.
I mean all hobbies good hobby. It's like I might not agree with
you speak more as a system, but like it doesn't mean I'm allowed
to track to them having fun. It doesn't like it's not like
the day age of Sigma was released like Jack booted GW
people like a rabbit. Fans broke down my door and
confiscated on my square bases start beating with nightsticks.
I mean, that happens man. Stop, stop having found the
wrong Sir, just right here the nightstick.
The way I look at the guys is like if if people are willing to
invest the time in, in buying and painting these things and
assembling them, putting on this table and actually playing with
the game with another person. I mean, you know, video games,
as we talked about earlier, is just the easy solution.
Isn't it used by the game? You just download it or
whatever, You just play it and that's it.
It's all done for you. There's no preparation.
There's no work involved in getting that onto the table.
It's like it's just done everything for you.
You know what I mean? You get a history of
qualification, whereas Warhammer's a massive
investment. You know, it's, it's years and
years in the making. And when you get to the table,
it's like that gratification of like, yeah, I did this.
I painted this bloody army and it's awesome.
And I love it when I build up the units, the theme, the the
names of the characters, the names of the regiments even.
And you know, I'm playing this amazing game with my friend and
I'm rolling dice and having fun, having a few beers and just, you
know, just enjoying it and having a laugh.
Give us a social aspect to it, like there's a creative aspect
and a social aspect and a gaming aspect to get a strategic part
in there too. And if you're with Warhammer,
I've people have played with since like high school and like
some of them don't have finished armies and it's the same army
they ran back when we ran into high school.
And I'm like, why don't just paint your freaking shit?
And they're like, I don't enjoy painting.
And I'm like, OK, like they do enjoy the other parts of the
hobby. And I suppose that's the
difference. You can't pick up a video game
be like, I like everything except for pushing the buddies
under controller or like I like the plot but not the game.
Then you can just pick up another game.
With Warhammer, there's a social aspect and like some people
struggle with the social skills and aspect of Warhammer because
it doesn't differ and require something different from like
video games. But the sheer passion and joy,
you can see people playing it and just hanging out.
And I think if you're a bit more introverted, like, I am sorry,
no, if you're introverted like it's a good way to challenge
yourself because you do get out there, but it's something you're
passionate with. So you will have like a shared
point. Really, honestly, I mean, it's
great to have you both on at the same time.
I love you both. I think the the podcast is a
fantastic listen and I think anybody who hasn't listened to
the Old World podcast, you should go and check it out.
You know, just just put in your in your search browser in the in
the whatever bloody podcast thing you're using or go and
check out the links in the show description.
Go and check it out. Click on that.
Get to the old world podcast, old world lease podcast and
check it out because it's awesome.
You talk about lots of different things.
You have a big hobby chat about what's happening now, revelant
this, you know to today, what's coming out, what leases, what
molds you can use six position games or whatever.
And I'm just happy that you guys can come on and have a chat and
we have a bloody good laugh and a few drinks at the same time.
So cheers guys. Thank you.
Yeah, and thanks very much. I'm like a lot of fun.
Same same. And I think thank you and
girlfriends, OK, Thank you very much for giving you time up for
this meeting all. Right.
And keeping them apart from each other?
Absolutely. Absolutely.