1 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:12,560 Thanks, Nathan. It's really good that you, 2 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:17,400 you've decided to come on and it's, it's my quest this year to 3 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,560 get in touch with more patrons and people I know through the 4 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:24,120 Chronicle community that maybe I've interacted through Discord 5 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,640 with and chatted with. And I've chatted with you maybe 6 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,920 once before on Discord now chat, paint chat room areas there. 7 00:00:32,119 --> 00:00:34,800 But yeah, get in touch with more of my patrons and have them on 8 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,640 on the show. And so I know who I'm, who's 9 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,200 been who's, who's sending me their patronage every month. 10 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,040 It's nice to connect with them and, and get to know them more. 11 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:47,280 So. And we've got you connected with 12 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,600 a bunch of gamers down in Sydney right here. 13 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,520 Yeah, that's right. That's right with Con FX from 14 00:00:54,520 --> 00:01:00,680 the Discord, also Zoty Pics and Canon Star that we've been 15 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:05,160 playing together, sometimes together, sometimes not 16 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,400 together, but not all of us together. 17 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:12,480 But we've been having and having a lot of fun down at a gaming 18 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,680 club down in South Sydney, which has been excellent. 19 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,720 I didn't even know things like that existed until very, very 20 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:24,240 recently when time effects just very generously said, hey, I am 21 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,680 got your membership, so now you kind of gotta gotta come. 22 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,800 That's how we that's. It but yeah, no, he's he's been 23 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,880 very, very generous, very kind, really nice guy. 24 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,080 It's been really nice developing a friendship with him. 25 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,000 Learned a lot of things about the community, about about the 26 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,880 painting, about gaming. It's just been having a lot of 27 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,840 fun, which is what it's all about, right? 28 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,520 Yeah, yeah, no, Carnifex is a great guy and sadly we just 29 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,120 haven't got together to do more podcasts together because I've 30 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:05,480 really enjoyed his community focus on our Discord especially, 31 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,759 so we've got to make that our focus again this year and get 32 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:11,280 him back on so. But yeah, he's a top bloke, 33 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,280 Carnifex. So I'm really glad to have 34 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,680 crossed paths with him because I think it was only after our 35 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,880 first conversation I said, mate, do you want to come on the you 36 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,680 want to join by the podcast, You can see he just seems like a 37 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,080 very friendly, laid back, easy, easy going guy. 38 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:28,800 You know, he's just, he just has that personality that I think 39 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,520 people lot of lot of. Lot of fun to game with as well. 40 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:33,240 Yeah, I bet. Yeah. 41 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,920 I'm hoping he's going to come to Japan at some point and so we 42 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:39,720 can play 40K together or vice versa. 43 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:44,600 I go down to Australia and play 40K with him, so yeah, that'd be 44 00:02:44,640 --> 00:02:46,720 good. We've got a lot of plans to play 45 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,360 a lot of different games that I've never played before, which 46 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,120 is good, so I'm more sorry about. 47 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,000 What's the name of this club? What's the name of this game? 48 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,040 Club South Sutherland Shire Gamers Club. 49 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,920 So yeah, I live in this South of Sydney, so it's 20 minute drive 50 00:03:05,920 --> 00:03:09,800 for me which is great. Now it's a lot longer drive for 51 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:16,440 Zoty Biggs, but I think it's an hour driver so for him, but for 52 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,400 yeah, kind of fix myself and Canon style. 53 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:25,120 We both live relatively close, so nice and local and all the 54 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,320 guys there are really friendly. A lot of people playing all 55 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:31,480 sorts of games, a lot of historical games or modern 56 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:35,040 versions of 40K and lots of other games I've never seen 57 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,200 before. But all really nice friendly, 58 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:42,240 happy to have a chat which is good, it's nice. 59 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,240 Yeah, it sounds like a good, good atmosphere to be gaming in 60 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,600 mate with good people. So yeah, if anybody is in the 61 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,400 South southern part of Sydney and they would like to be 62 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,320 initiated with with a free membership from Carnifex, I'll 63 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,640 have to leave a link somewhere down below in the show notes. 64 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,920 You can go and check it out and get in touch with the the club 65 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,840 organizers and head down there one day. 66 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,680 Amazing tables and more terrain than you can imagine. 67 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:14,760 Like amazing sort of terrain. I was like, before I discovered 68 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,079 it, I was spending so much money just buying card stock things 69 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:20,560 and trying to make stuff myself. And then I walk in and see all 70 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,640 this stuff. I'm like, I can stop doing that. 71 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:24,560 It's. You. 72 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,960 Know real life really nice terrain makes a big difference 73 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:31,600 for me when you're playing, you know, I really like that sort of 74 00:04:32,280 --> 00:04:37,080 immersive sort of narrative aspect to gaming and I find you 75 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,000 know, with paint nicely painted miniatures and good terrain, 76 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:44,120 nice table really helps a lot. I get a lot more enjoyment out 77 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,160 of it. A lot different to playing on 78 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:53,400 the bedroom floor when I was a kid or on even on the even on 79 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,600 the ping pong table that's a little bit older. 80 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,240 Yeah, we did the same mate. Yeah, yeah. 81 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,240 But you know, they were fun times too. 82 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,880 It's, it's interesting because all as war gamers who people who 83 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:11,480 are curious in this very niche hobby of ours that we've all 84 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:16,320 evolved from the floor hammer to the ping pong table to now, you 85 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,920 know, Fast forward many years later, we've got proper tables, 86 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,280 flock tables, gaming mats, You know, we've, we know how to 87 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:24,840 build terrain. We bought terrain. 88 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:29,760 You know, we're sort of now living the the aspirations and 89 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,560 dreams as teenagers or youngsters wanting to have all 90 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,320 that stuff. Couldn't, no, didn't know how to 91 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:39,320 do it, didn't have the means or the money necessary or just the 92 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,200 knowledge. And now we're sort of doing it 93 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,560 now, so. Yeah, I remember being 12 or so 94 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,400 and thinking, oh Gee, I can't wait till I wait till I grow up 95 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,160 and then I'll be able to afford all this Warhammer stuff and 96 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,320 then like growing up now and I still can't afford it so. 97 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,520 Not living in Sydney in Australia you can't, that's for 98 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,400 sure. No, no. 99 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,160 And particularly with my peculiar interests of a lot of 100 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:09,000 the older sort of stuff, it's can be quite expensive, but you 101 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,400 get lucky every now and then and there's a lot of really nice 102 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,080 people and those old hammers sort of trading groups where 103 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:18,840 it's a lot cheaper than it would be on eBay otherwise. 104 00:06:18,840 --> 00:06:21,520 And sometimes you can make some nice deals where you swap stuff 105 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,480 that you're not really going to use anymore or. 106 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,960 Or. Something that you are and vice 107 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:32,480 versa about having some good experience in the in the Discord 108 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,120 group as well. Just swapping stuff with people, 109 00:06:35,840 --> 00:06:38,440 sending stuff to other side of the world, but getting stuff 110 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,880 that you really want and they get stuff that they really want 111 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,880 and works out really nicely. Yeah, I'm avoiding those groups 112 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,400 at all cost. It cost me nearly $1000 the last 113 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:53,360 time I visited that one so. Is this for those wood elves? 114 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,880 That's for the wood elves and they're quickly going to be 115 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,000 painted and turned around into a Commission and out the door 116 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:00,760 again. So I can I can make a few 117 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,800 dollars on that and hopefully have enough money to go to 118 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,680 Australia or something like that this year with that, I think the 119 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,680 model fund. But yeah, that that is going to 120 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,680 be a a third edition experience, like playing third edition 121 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,920 fantasy really for the first time this year. 122 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,840 We're going to do that so. Yeah, well, that's that's my 123 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,040 real cup of tea. Third, I did 3rd Ed. 124 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,560 Yeah, I want to pick your brain about that, mate. 125 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,200 Well, I have to, I have to be honest to start off with in that 126 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:33,000 I've never actually played a game of 3rd edition besides 127 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,080 playing by myself. So. 128 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,040 But that's going to change very shortly. 129 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:42,640 I'm in the process of building a third Undead army and going to 130 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:47,800 play against Zodi Vicks from the Discord community probably 131 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,520 within the next couple of months. 132 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,040 I know he's got a baby on the way, so got to get that done 133 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,720 before that happens. And then, yeah, the dream is to 134 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:02,400 eventually play a siege game. Like when I, I first came into 135 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:06,200 the hobby at the end of 5th edition, I would say. 136 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:13,720 I remember I was at a a holiday camp and one of the older 137 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,920 teenage guy running the particular group activity we're 138 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,280 in was actually one of those red shirts from Games Workshop. 139 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,480 And he just had one of those catalogues with him. 140 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,120 One of those maybe not a catalogue, just one of those 141 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,600 brochures, you know, the ones that come in the pack of Hero 142 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:35,120 Quest or, you know, and I remember just looking at it and 143 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,640 my brain just melting just thinking, I've never seen 144 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,720 anything like this before. And it just, you know, because 145 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,680 I, I was one of those kids that grew up always like as far back 146 00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:47,680 as I can remember, just being obsessed with fantasy in 147 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:50,120 general. In terms of, you know, like 148 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:55,040 movies like those good 80 movies like Conan or like Willow, 149 00:08:55,880 --> 00:09:01,520 Excalibur, sort of in stone Robin Hood and books like being 150 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,320 read The Hobbit in Lord of the rings by my dad when I was a 151 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,960 little boy and used to drool over books about Knights and you 152 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:15,840 know, those pop out knight books and castles and medieval warfare 153 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,120 and things like that. Like I was the kind of kid that 154 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,600 in kindergarten I would build castles out of paddle pop sticks 155 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,000 and Lego, you know, and have imaginary little wars. 156 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,080 And so then, you know, we, I used to do all sorts of crazy 157 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,000 stuff when I was a kid. You know, the stuff growing up 158 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,400 in the 90s that kids now probably don't get the 159 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,280 experience of. We used to, with my friends and 160 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:45,440 cousins and brother and sister, we would make suits of armor out 161 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:49,200 of cardboard and put like aluminium foil around them. 162 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:54,920 And then we would joust each other on bikes, you know, or use 163 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,920 like, cricket wicket stumps as swords and, you know, run around 164 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:04,280 and battle like that. So saying something like 165 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,920 Warhammer for the first time was just like, this is just, you 166 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:12,160 know, all my dreams come true. But I guess even even before 167 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,360 that, it started with what's called crossbows and catapults. 168 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,080 Oh, yeah, yeah, sure do. Yeah, me too. 169 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,680 I remember even using some of the castles and that, you know, 170 00:10:22,680 --> 00:10:26,560 as terrain in some of my early games, even some of the 171 00:10:26,560 --> 00:10:28,640 miniatures just to fill out ranks and stuff. 172 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:31,440 That was. Yeah, that was good fun. 173 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:34,400 But, you know, Warhammer is kind of a step up from that. 174 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,320 So yeah, I remember. And the guy was saying, yeah, 175 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,040 you know, there's a shop in George Street in the city. 176 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:42,960 You should come and check it out. 177 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:48,320 I remember paying my $0.65 to catch the 339 to George Street 178 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,280 with my sister, brother, a couple of friends, a couple of 179 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,840 cousins and is walking into the store for the first time. 180 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,560 Did you ever see the one in Sydney in George St. 181 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:00,760 Yeah, I, I went to that one. I think I went. 182 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,800 Is it across the road? Is it like across from David 183 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,400 Jones or Maya or something? Yeah. 184 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,800 I mean, I think it may have moved now that that's where it 185 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:10,440 used to be. Yeah. 186 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,240 And they're just walking in there and just being like, Oh my 187 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:18,520 God, you know, like just having my mind absolutely blown looking 188 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,000 at all the miniatures and the cabinets, looking at the 189 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:22,880 beautiful tables, at the terrain. 190 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:28,080 And I always, I was, I wanted to get something fantasy related, 191 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,000 but all my friends at the time were really keen on getting 40K. 192 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,440 So I was like, well, I may as well get 40K as well because I 193 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,520 want somebody to play with. And I was wanted eventually 194 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:44,040 originally to get those Valhalla Ice Warriors, the ones that look 195 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,400 a bit like Russian World War Two soldiers. 196 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,320 But then going in there and they're out of stock that you 197 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:51,920 know, I couldn't wait until going next time. 198 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,760 I had to get something. So I got the Katachan jungle 199 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:02,520 fighters that even then I gave. I gave all of them those anyway 200 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:07,880 and put little grenades at the end of their arrows from cut out 201 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,280 from, you know, the painting kits that would come with a free 202 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,040 little Britannia notches, remember? 203 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,160 Just, you know, you just sit there and people would just give 204 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,240 you stuff, you know, or there'd be stuff going around. 205 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,760 It's not like walking into a Games Workshop today. 206 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:28,200 And yeah, we'll have all sorts of bedroom battlefield battles. 207 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,240 Not playing by the rules because we're too young to really 208 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,680 understand how to play properly. So it's kind of just like, oh, 209 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:36,200 you know, my guys shoots a grenade. 210 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:39,080 So it's killed all of your guys, you know, that sort of stuff. 211 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,360 But you know, as you get older and you get more into it and 212 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:46,520 you're a bit more mature to understand how to play and then, 213 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:52,720 you know, not having any money. As a kid, I would borrow my 214 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,960 dad's lawnmower to mow all the neighbors lawns just to save 215 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:59,880 money. Remember like you'd spend a 216 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:04,720 whole day mowing someone's lawn and you get paid 5 bucks and my 217 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:09,680 dad to teach me the the value of money would say that I'd had to 218 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:13,000 give him $2.50 for the petrol and the upkeep of the lawn 219 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,920 mower. Yeah, the bastard would make me 220 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,640 mow our own lawn as well. He'd just sit there my earnings 221 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,480 to buy himself a deer, sitting in the hot summer wet watching 222 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:27,960 me mow the lawn. So took a long time to save up 223 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:32,040 enough money the same time I used to also work again. 224 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,760 You wouldn't be able to do this today, but as a kid at golf 225 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,160 course and Michael's golf course, the sort of La Perouse 226 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:44,080 area on the driving range, picking up balls, you know, and 227 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,680 the people who, who are practicing golf would be aiming 228 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:50,480 at you, you know, So every now and then you get hit, scare the 229 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,320 shit out of you. And they, you, they dress you up 230 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:58,000 in baseball, the padding for, you know, the guy behind the, 231 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:02,200 the batter, he catches the ball. You're going around in the, you 232 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,080 know, between the trees watching out for snakes, picking up 233 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,400 balls. And if you feel the whole 234 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,720 garbage bin up with balls, you get paid $5. 235 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:16,200 And then I remember then, you know, you do that until I can't 236 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,960 remember until the sun was almost setting and I'd sit there 237 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,200 and I'd be waiting for my dad to pick me up after work. 238 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:23,560 I could be waiting there a long time. 239 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,080 And I'm just reading the Go Trek and Felix novels, you know, it 240 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,120 was so obsessed with them, all the the Bill King ones and just 241 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,120 kept braiding them into it was too dark to see and just just 242 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,600 wait until my dad would come. And then eventually after doing 243 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,960 that for a long time, I am what seemed like a long time when I 244 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,480 was a kid. It probably wasn't that long at 245 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,720 all. I finally saved up enough money 246 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:51,040 to get a starter kit data set. But just as I did, 5th edition 247 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,720 ended and 6th edition came out. So I ended up getting the 6th 248 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:02,880 edition starter set and by that time primary school was just 249 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,800 ending. So the and all my friends ended 250 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,880 up going to different primaries, sorry different high schools. 251 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,320 So I kind of feel like, you know, this is before we had 252 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:14,960 Internet and all of the mobile phones. 253 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,400 So we all kind of lost touch with each other. 254 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,920 And in my new school, no one was interested in playing Warhammer. 255 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:28,400 So round about that time, that's when Mordheim first came out. 256 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,680 And I know you're not a big, big fan of Mordheim, but I love 257 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,160 Mordheim. I love it a lot. 258 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:39,000 It's actually got a lot, I find a lot of similarities between 259 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,200 Mordheim and 3rd edition fantasy and sort of the role-playing 260 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,280 aspects to it and even sort of the, the moods more of that sort 261 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,200 of brim dark feeling as opposed to the sort of the brighter 4th 262 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,560 and 5th editions. You know, everyone's got 263 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,160 different tastes. I kind of like the sort of 264 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:02,760 darker sort of look Lord Heim has that has a lot of that. 265 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:04,800 And it's just a really fun game as well. 266 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,240 Uses the sort of 5th edition fantasy mechanics, but with a 267 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,920 lot of sort of role-playing elements put into it, sort of 268 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:16,520 stuff that you see a lot of in in 3rd edition fantasy. 269 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:22,840 So I think it was my 13th birthday and I got that the 270 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,800 starter set for more time for my birthday, but just at the same 271 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,920 time that I didn't have anyone to play with anymore. 272 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:38,200 So I just kind of played by myself, which was, you know, not 273 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,760 that much fun, but you know, better than nothing. 274 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:46,640 And that went on for a while until I discovered beer and 275 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,520 girls and Warhammer got left by the side. 276 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,640 And I've no idea what happened to all my stuff. 277 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:59,000 I think my parents must have just chucked it out, which is a 278 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,560 shame because you know, that would be worth a lot now. 279 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,960 And there's a lot of things I would have I would love to have 280 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,000 now. But that's just the way it is. 281 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,200 And now you can see the more time rule book can be 300 U.S. 282 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:14,400 dollars, you know, And it's just a beautiful book with a lot of 283 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,640 beautiful artwork throughout it. But that's just the way it is. 284 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,920 And around about that time I remember going to one of those 285 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:29,520 second hand book fairs and they had a huge collection of old 286 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:34,160 white dwarfs. I I wouldn't know exactly, but 287 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,400 I'm guessing somewhere between like 100 and 150. 288 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:44,720 And I would have picked up maybe 30 or 40 of them for, you know, 289 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:50,360 5 bucks or something. And just having a look at the 290 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:54,240 older stuff, stuff that was out, you know, before I was even born 291 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,840 and I had an even bigger sort of brain melting moment just 292 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,000 thinking that this stuff is gorgeous. 293 00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:02,760 You know, just the miniatures, the artwork. 294 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:06,840 I mean, just even having a look in the 3rd edition book, it's 295 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,840 worth the huge amount of money it costs today just for the 296 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,920 artwork alone. It's beautiful. 297 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:14,800 It's beautiful just the way it's set out. 298 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:18,280 And I love all that, that sort of mid to late 80s sort of 299 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:22,200 fantasy, the drawings, it's just, it's amazing. 300 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,800 And again, the miniatures, you know, when I was younger, I 301 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:29,080 didn't really appreciate the fact that I look at miniatures 302 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,080 now, especially the old ones, as as little pieces of art. 303 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,160 You know, they're statues, they're gorgeous. 304 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,360 They're like craftsmanship and skilled. 305 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:38,920 To go into creating something like that is amazing. 306 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:44,120 And you can compare it to like, not that long ago I went into a 307 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:48,840 Games Workshop and my experience was quite different to that from 308 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,920 when I was a kid. It was just, it wasn't very 309 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,800 nice. I remember going in and being 310 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,280 like, yeah, you know why I'm a fantasy and and more time and 311 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,280 then finding out that, you know, the end times happened and just 312 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,720 thinking what like, why would you do that? 313 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:10,000 Now I understand now business decisions behind it and, and 314 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,240 whatever, but something that was so important to me for so long 315 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,720 as a kid and to have it all destroyed, it's, it wasn't a 316 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,040 nice feeling. And I remember looking at the 317 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:26,400 table and thinking, oh, they sell like larger sort of, I 318 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,160 don't know, you know, if you go into like comic stores and they 319 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,960 have like Marvel sort of not miniatures, they're kind of 320 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,440 bigger than that. Sort of, I don't know what you'd 321 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,640 call them like display pieces or something. 322 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,520 So I thought that's what I was looking at when I walked into 323 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,840 the store. But it's just that the scale 324 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,760 creep has gotten so out of hand. They were just miniatures and 325 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,800 they're just a lot bigger than they used to be. 326 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,960 And just being really confused because it looked like what I 327 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,200 thought were Space Marines, but in their new sort of age of 328 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,720 Sigma fantasy setting. And it's just like, why would 329 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,120 you have Space Marines in this sort of and just learning a bit 330 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:05,160 more about them, you know, you know, maybe there's something to 331 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:05,560 it. And. 332 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,960 I left the store pretty quickly and, and didn't go back again. 333 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,240 And then, you know, I was just thinking, you know, I've got 334 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,520 nobody, I don't know anyone who's sort of interested in, in 335 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,360 playing that. All my friends from high school 336 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:23,320 and uni have no interest at all and anything like that. 337 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,480 And just thinking, OK, well, you know, that's, that's the end of 338 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:31,480 that really. You know, every five to 10 years 339 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,680 I might reread the, you know, Bill King's books, the good 340 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,440 Track and feel like ones and the Tyrion and Tackless. 341 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,280 When I was a kid, I really liked IELTS. 342 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:46,600 I still do really like IELTS. I just too intimidated to paint 343 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:50,360 them at the moment that I think I will get, I will get there 344 00:20:50,360 --> 00:20:53,680 eventually. I think getting better every, 345 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,640 every, every model you paint, you get better. 346 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:07,040 And then I got extremely ill, so I was never here all my whole 347 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,600 life. I spent all of my 20s travelling 348 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,920 around the world eating all sorts of different food, 349 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:19,880 learning different languages, learning to cook really well, 350 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:28,480 like very, very fit, surfing a lot, working out a lot, partying 351 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,240 a lot, having a really good, good time of things really. 352 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:41,720 And when I was 30, so I'm almost 40 now, I went on holidays to 353 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:46,800 Vietnam and got food poisoning and just never got, never got 354 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:51,400 better. And things just kept getting 355 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,760 worse and worse and worse and worse. 356 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,640 And I went from like 100 kilos to like 60 kilos. 357 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,800 And like, like those pictures of like, you know, concentration 358 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,360 cancer survivors, not to belittle their horrible 359 00:22:08,360 --> 00:22:10,520 experience, of course, mine is nothing like that. 360 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:17,280 But I was skin and bone, you know, I was spent a lot of time 361 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,160 in and out of hospital and nobody could figure out what was 362 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,680 wrong with me because every time they'd have a look inside, 363 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:29,440 everything looked fine. It's just I couldn't really 364 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,200 digest food properly, let's say, spent a lot of time in the 365 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:38,600 bathroom and unable to leave the bathroom, let's say, for ease 366 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:44,880 and ease and being in constant very bad pain, being really 367 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:51,080 nauseous all the time. Eventually, because I don't know 368 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,560 what it is about doctors. I'm not a doctor, I'm a teacher. 369 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,480 I'm a linguist and a teacher, but I just spent a lot of time 370 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,720 reading medical journals and saying why don't we do this test 371 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,080 and maybe you should do this test and maybe we should try 372 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,480 this medication. And eventually they found out 373 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:15,360 that I had Crohn's disease and not mild form of it because 374 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,560 every person of Crohn's disease experiences it in a different 375 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,080 way. And in Australia, in order to 376 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,880 get on the medication that actually works to put you in 377 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:31,640 remission, you need to fail. A lot of the medications that 378 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,680 don't really work, that they know don't work because they're 379 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:40,200 really ones that work really well, are very expensive, like 380 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,040 extraordinarily expensive. We're talking 10s of thousands 381 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,000 of dollars a dose needs. Yeah. 382 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,280 So. But, you know, we have some form 383 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,520 of universal health care in Australia. 384 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,080 It's becoming more and more like the American model every year. 385 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:59,520 But once I could prove that if I took steroids for a year and a 386 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,720 half, if I took chemotherapy tablets and all this sort of 387 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:08,240 nasty stuff, and I still didn't get better, then they would 388 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,520 approve for the stuff that actually worked. 389 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,280 That the problem is in taking all this other shit for years it 390 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:21,680 produced other problems. So I'm 37. 391 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,040 That I have the bones of a 96 year old woman. 392 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,480 Wow. So and, you know, that's not 393 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,320 something that will get better. And if I had just been given the 394 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,680 correct medication in the beginning, then we could have 395 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,960 avoided all of that then. Yeah, that's, it's just the way 396 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,600 it is. So finally, you know, with the 397 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,680 correct medication, things are a lot better. 398 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,840 I, my partner gave birth to our little boy. 399 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:56,880 She's wonderful. And then they noticed that my 400 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,520 blood levels weren't really correct and I was losing a lot 401 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,600 of iron and they thought, OK, well you need an iron infusion, 402 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,240 so that's OK, no problem, I'll have an iron infusion. 403 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,560 And then I had one of those one in a million reactions where 404 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,560 they list all the possible side effects and stuff. 405 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,600 And this wasn't even listed as one of them where I had 406 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,280 something called hyperphosphatemia. 407 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,960 So my body just couldn't retain all of its phosphate. 408 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,000 And it turns out phosphate, it's really important, you kind of 409 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:31,480 need it to live. So I kept kept passing out, 410 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,480 waking up in different places around the house and stuff and 411 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,040 feeling so weak and getting worse and worse all the time. 412 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:41,360 Kept going to hospital and they kept sending me back again, 413 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:44,280 doing my own research and saying, hey, why don't you test 414 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,080 for this while I'm here. And the guy laughed and was 415 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,560 like, you know, the chances of that. 416 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,760 I can't remember the exact number, but it was like a one in 417 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,040 a million sort of thing. I'm like, you know, I kind of 418 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,440 have to insist you do this. And sure enough, that's what I 419 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:03,280 had. So they're like, oh, we'll send 420 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:04,680 you home with these tablets and like you. 421 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:05,960 But look at this journal article. 422 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,280 It says that doesn't work. You need to connect me to a 423 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,560 drip. They give me this for up to 424 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,000 anywhere from one week to nine months. 425 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,840 That or even longer. They don't know how long it 426 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,600 takes to fix. I don't want to. 427 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:23,040 I like, you know, this isn't a podcast about physical health. 428 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:28,520 So I'll kind of skip forward a little bit that eventually after 429 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,800 going back and forth a million times, they listen to what I 430 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,280 said, even though I'm not the doctor and I had to stay in 431 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:38,040 hospital connected to a drip 24/7 because every time they 432 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,600 disconnect me, I would just fall unconscious and you know, would 433 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,200 eventually then slip into a coma and then eventually die. 434 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:53,360 And the effects of not having phosphate meant that, you know, 435 00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:57,040 I couldn't, I had a lot of trouble staying conscious when 436 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,240 people, two people would be talking to each other. 437 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,480 I couldn't follow the conversation, you know, and I'm 438 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,200 sitting there thinking, this isn't good. 439 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,760 I like, I don't know where my this is heading now, because if 440 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:17,800 I can't understand speech, I'm a linguist, that's not going to be 441 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,520 very good. And what is my life going to 442 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,560 look like? And I had memory of a goldfish 443 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,080 and, you know, things weren't looking good for me at all. 444 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,720 And then they, they kept saying, oh, there's something wrong with 445 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,800 your liver as well, that we think you have this thing called 446 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,480 TCS or something. And the doctor with no bedside 447 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,520 manner was like, oh, you know, you probably have 10 years or 448 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,440 less to live with this and you'll need a liver transplant. 449 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,000 But they won't give you a liver transplant because of your other 450 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,360 illnesses. And turns out I don't have that 451 00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:54,560 thing. My liver was going crazy. 452 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,320 Bloody hell. And then just thinking that 453 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,000 sitting there being like, you know, my life is over basically. 454 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:02,920 And I'm like, I've got a little boy. 455 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,320 I can't, you know, I can't think like this. 456 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,800 I've got to do something. I can't read, I can't watch TV. 457 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,680 What am I going to do? So I thought, you know, oh, 458 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,400 Warhammer, Remember Warhammer, you like Warhammer. 459 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,560 So it's just like, you know, I like podcasts. 460 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,760 There must be some sort of Warhammer podcasts or something. 461 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,800 Remember just typing in, I remember exactly what I typed 462 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:31,520 in, but kind of command popped up alongside our bedroom 463 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:36,560 battlefields as well. And I remember listening to a 464 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,240 lot of that and not being able to follow anything. 465 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,520 Kind of just listening to the same episodes again and again 466 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,920 and again. But eventually I could 467 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,520 understand more and more and it was it. 468 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,640 It really helped with my recovery because it gave me like 469 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,280 a world to sort of lose myself in really. 470 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:04,240 And what I really love about Warhammer is just like that 471 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,040 feeling of, you know, when you're a kid and that extreme 472 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,720 awe, like in the original meaning of the word awe and 473 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,440 wonder at these new fantasy worlds and being able to lose 474 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,080 yourself in them. And that, you know, that extreme 475 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,160 excitement or something that as an adult you don't really get 476 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,840 anymore, or it's very rare to get something like that. 477 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,360 So being able to relive that again as an adult really gave me 478 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,920 like a lot of hope in a, a really a really sort of dark 479 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:42,360 place. And, you know, even like, like 480 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,240 then, you know, listening, listening, finding out. 481 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:49,120 Oh, there's a discord community. I didn't, I use Discord once or 482 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,280 twice just if I'm playing a computer game with, with a 483 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,640 friend just together during COVID just to be able to talk at 484 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,720 the same time without using a mobile phone. 485 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,200 So I didn't really know how to use it exactly. 486 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:04,160 But you know, it's you figure it out and just being like, oh, you 487 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,600 know, there's a lot of people in here and they all like the same 488 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,840 things. I like, you know, the older sort 489 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,200 of stuff that doesn't exist to me. 490 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,880 Well, I didn't know that people even like that stuff anymore, 491 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:18,080 you know, especially, you know, things like third edition that, 492 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,480 you know, I'd never played. I'd always dreamt of playing 493 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,360 even as a kid. I remember they had little a 494 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,320 little glass box at the back of the store in George Street and 495 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:30,040 they had the earlier editions with the models there. 496 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,920 And I remember just I'd spent so much time just they even had 497 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,800 first edition like the rule books there behind with a few 498 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,960 models from then and a few from 2nd and 3rd. 499 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,800 I'm just staring at that was my favorite thing to stare at just 500 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,400 the older models. I think a lot of that also has 501 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,240 to do with the way my brain works. 502 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,440 I, I, I like older things in general, like being a linguist. 503 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,960 I, I forgot I learned my ancient languages, you know, for fun, or 504 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,720 at least I used to because that it's another thing where that 505 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,960 sort of ties in as well because being, being a linguist was such 506 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,160 a, a core integral part of who I was and I used to get so much 507 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,800 enjoyment from that. But ever since this hospital 508 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:15,560 stay, I've lost that ability, like medications I'm on and 509 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,720 stuff. I, I can't absorb language like 510 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,600 I used to. So you know, when you lose that 511 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:28,520 huge part of your core identity of who you are, it's a big sort 512 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:33,960 of blow that a lot of the joy I used to get from linguistics and 513 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,360 languages I get now from Warhammer, which is amazing 514 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,480 because at the time I thought I'd never be able to replace 515 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,240 this that that I have. I'm excited to announce the 516 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,240 return of the Hirohammer Fanzine Issue 4, which is due in March 517 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,560 of 2025. If you have never heard of the 518 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,560 Hirohammer fanzine, then please visit 519 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:59,560 hirohammerhyphenfanzine.com to download your free copy of the 520 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,640 first three issues today. And thank you to all the people 521 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,440 that have reached out to help contribute to our hobby 522 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,040 magazine. Now let's get back to the show. 523 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,480 You're talking about being a linguist. 524 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,200 Yeah. Lost. 525 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,280 Yeah, lost. A little bit of that. 526 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,040 Yeah, lost that, but replaced it with this, right. 527 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,880 And, you know, when, when you're somebody who's chronically ill 528 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:32,200 and you're sort of always sick, you, you tend to lose a lot of 529 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,360 friends because, you know, people invite you out to things 530 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,520 and, and you can't do it or you're too ill and eventually 531 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,240 you stop being invited to things. 532 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,720 You know, it's a good way to sort of find out who your real 533 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,400 friends are, you know, So I'm grateful for that as well 534 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,880 because I still do have a lot of, I still have a few really, 535 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:56,320 really good friends, you know, you know, not being able to 536 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,040 drink alcohol, not being able to eat normal food a lot of the 537 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:05,760 time, not being able to travel. It's kind of being that that 538 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,960 proverbial frog in the boiling water where one by one or all 539 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,560 the things you love get taken away from you, You know, even to 540 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,000 the point that I can't surf anymore. 541 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,120 I can't body surf, I can't ride a bicycle. 542 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,280 If I fall over, my my bones will break. 543 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:27,120 So it's, you think, you know, I used to home brew a lot. 544 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,080 You know, I used to love, love beer. 545 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,680 I used to, I lived in Germany for a few years and you know, 546 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,680 I'd really, really like beer. I just can't drink it anymore. 547 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:36,840 What a shame mate. Yeah. 548 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,760 Yeah, it's very upsetting, but there there are some Silver 549 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,480 Linings though I I do qualify for medicinal cannabis in 550 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,160 Australia, so. Hey, that's the way I'll I'll 551 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:49,640 swap it. I'll try it for that any day 552 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:55,960 mate. That's not at least that that, 553 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,480 you know, I think that with this, with this hobby that even 554 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:04,840 if you're extremely ill, you can still paint a miniature, right? 555 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,080 You can read a book, you can look at some beautiful 556 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,080 miniatures. You can lose yourself in some 557 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,320 John Blanche artwork. You know, you can chat with 558 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,239 people on on Discord about the hobby that you love. 559 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,239 And then you can plan to meet up when you're feeling a bit better 560 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,600 and play some games, you know, which is what it's all about. 561 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,600 And so I feel like I've gotten so much back from this hobby 562 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,800 that it's something that I, I can, I will always still be able 563 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:42,440 to enjoy, you know, and I owe a lot of that to you and to kind 564 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,480 of. So I'll be further grateful for 565 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,080 that because I think that's wonderful, man. 566 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,920 Through this whole experience, it's, it's helped me sort of 567 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:58,280 accept my situation instead of being angry and, and feeling 568 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:02,520 like a victim. I, I can accept the way things 569 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,520 are and I can still get a lot of joy out of life and I can still 570 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:11,040 have a, a beautiful passion that can cost a lot of money. 571 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,840 That is, it's beautiful. You know what I'd be doing 572 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:22,320 otherwise, like drinking beer in a pub, you know, which is fun, 573 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:25,080 don't get me wrong, but it's not, not compared to the 574 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,120 satisfaction of like completing a regiment, you know? 575 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,200 And when I was a kid, I never really liked some the painting 576 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,920 side of it. It was sort of something I had 577 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,240 to do, you know, sometimes I'll just spray paint one side green, 578 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:43,400 one side red, boom, there we go. Now we complain I was all about 579 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,760 the gaming and, and even getting back into the hobby now I was 580 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,920 always like, oh, you know, maybe I can just buy a completed army 581 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,800 already and let's get into it. Like I was very intimidated by a 582 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:01,560 very dear friend of mine who I've got onto the server Cannon 583 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,720 Star. He, he's an, he's an amazing 584 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:09,720 artist and he taught me about web palettes and mixing colours 585 00:36:09,720 --> 00:36:13,600 and, and I've found now that like one of the greatest joys I 586 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,440 get from the hobby is the painting aspect of it. 587 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:22,000 I find it very meditative. And you can, you know, you sit 588 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,560 there, nothing else matters. So there's no worries or you're 589 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,360 not thinking about yesterday, you're not thinking about 590 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,520 tomorrow. You're just focusing on, on 591 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,920 what's in front of you, you know, and I've never been, I've 592 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,360 never thought of myself as an artistic or really a creative 593 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,640 person that I've, this is proving me wrong. 594 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,680 You know, I'm really enjoying learning about this aspect of 595 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:46,600 myself. I didn't know that existed. 596 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:52,160 Getting a lot of joy out of it. And there's one, one last thing 597 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,680 I was, I think it's, it's a little bit more that, that I, I 598 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,080 actually think there's some beauty to it as well. 599 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:04,880 I think, you know, I always loved, let's say, the the the 600 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,680 sort of more of the the good guys sort of factions in in 601 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:16,440 Warhammer, you know, especially hail so empire would else that I 602 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,040 I found this. I think this sort of happened 603 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,480 subconsciously and became more more conscious as things have 604 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,360 gone on. That as a way, particularly last 605 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,480 year when when I really thought I might not be around for very 606 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:39,680 long, I found a way of sort of embracing my mortality and 607 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:45,240 becoming more comfortable with the the idea of death and the 608 00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:51,320 illness was by painting skeletons, painting zombies. 609 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,040 So. Say you're like a necromancer 610 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:58,120 now, Emil. Yeah, I am slowly turning into a 611 00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:01,080 Heinrich Chandler that yeah. Exactly, Yeah. 612 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:07,520 But I, but I think it's sort of like it's a way of facing fear 613 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:13,480 and uncertainty and learning to, to love it. 614 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,720 And in a weird way, it's very morbid, but I actually think 615 00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:21,800 it's kind of beautiful. So now I'm building my undead 616 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:23,280 army. I'm all about the undead. 617 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,720 And I'm probably about halfway to, I mean, there's no 618 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:31,560 completion and I haven't actually worked out the points 619 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,400 because as a third edition enthusiast, the, the points 620 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,160 don't really matter as much. I mean, like there's, you can't 621 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,720 work it out with points, But it's more about just putting 622 00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:45,680 some minis on the table, playing out a narrative and, and seeing 623 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,840 what happens. You know, I'm the kind of game 624 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,800 of that I, I, when I play, when I've been playing more time, 625 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,280 it's been mostly what I've been playing since I got back in the 626 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,960 hobby just because of the quickest and easiest thing to 627 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,680 get into, because you don't need to paint that many minutes is, 628 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,680 you know, getting so into the narrative of it that you're 629 00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:09,680 you're kind of doing what you think they would be doing and 630 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,040 playing to character, which I really like. 631 00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:15,880 And you know, some of the best games I've ever had of more time 632 00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,760 I've lost. Yeah. 633 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:21,440 You know, I, I don't care about winning or losing. 634 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,400 It's just about rolling dice and having fun and building a 635 00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,840 narrative and, and kind of getting lost in that. 636 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,240 And you know, making friends and having social interactions, 637 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:36,920 having something to look forward to, which is it's this, this 638 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:42,520 whole hobby has been becomes a big the solace to me. 639 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,560 I would say sort of fills the place that our languages used to 640 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:51,320 do for me, which is wonderful. Yeah, nice mate. 641 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,360 It's wonderful that you found. I'm really happy you found 642 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:55,520 Carnifex and the whole group of guys down there. 643 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,760 Yeah, to actually game with and interact and have a social 644 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,720 outlet for yourself. Yeah. 645 00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:05,480 It's not home, it's not work. It's it's something that you can 646 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,840 indulge your hobby. You know, and what most people 647 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,600 do, you know, they, they go to a restaurant or a pub or whatever 648 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,560 and have a beer and a steak. And a lot of the time I, I can't 649 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,800 do that. And it's not really fun to watch 650 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,200 other people doing things that you used to love and can't do. 651 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,720 But with, you know, gaming, there's none of that. 652 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,600 There's no alcohol, there's no food. 653 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,920 Or if there is food, you're not really paying attention to it. 654 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,680 You're just getting lost in the in the joy of the game. 655 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,840 Well, I was going to say medical marijuana and Mordheim would be 656 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,640 a wonderful series you guys could start. 657 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,440 You take a hit of the powder from the bong, and then you blow 658 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,480 the smoke across the battlefield and gives that a mercifully. 659 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,000 Yeah, exactly. I really want to say, I want to 660 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,040 say I want to see kind of effects stoned off his off his 661 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,120 head playing Mordheim. I think that'll be just 662 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,000 fantastic. That'll be great podcast series, 663 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,520 actually, Yeah. I think, I think we'd have to do 664 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:09,280 that in my garage, but I think we could probably get away with 665 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,720 it there. Yeah, yeah. 666 00:41:11,720 --> 00:41:12,320 Nice. But that that. 667 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,840 'D be a. That'd be a really good way to 668 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,680 get immersed in it. Yeah, literally yourself. 669 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,920 I'm pretty sure that's what the the original like Rick Priestley 670 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,120 and that used to get up to back in the 80s in the studio. 671 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,520 Oh. Richard Halliwell did. 672 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:29,560 Richard Halliwell. Yeah. 673 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,280 Richard Halliwell was a big smoker, Yeah. 674 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,800 So yeah, If you're wondering why those rules are so wacky and 675 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,040 weird, it's because he was mostly high during work hours 676 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,800 developing. I think some some of those 677 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,880 images were actually made with like the smoke, other joints are 678 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:46,960 being blown over. Yeah. 679 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,280 So really we're we're being true to the the origins of the game 680 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:55,880 by doing that. Yep, Yep, absolutely. 681 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,400 Yeah. So yeah, mate, I'll I'll be 682 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,920 happily, happily to swap beer out for medical, medical 683 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,200 marijuana. That'd be wonderful. 684 00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:05,040 But. Better for your guts as well, 685 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,120 yeah? Exactly. 686 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,760 Yeah. Better for my back. 687 00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:12,000 It's wonderful. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 688 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,040 It's it's it's quite good for a lot of things it gives. 689 00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,040 It is, mate. It is. 690 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,600 Yeah. I used to be a bit of a bit of a 691 00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,320 hippie back in the day, a bit of a Stoner. 692 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:24,320 Yeah, playing PlayStation, PlayStation and marijuana with 693 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:29,200 my two best friends when, when I didn't have games to play and 694 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,440 or, you know, just painting or whatever. 695 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,120 But yeah, it was good. High times, mate, Good times. 696 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,680 They were. Yeah, I enjoyed that. 697 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,280 Can't do that anymore though. I got arrested in Japan. 698 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,360 Yeah, I think it's pretty hardcore in Japan. 699 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:43,760 Yeah, yeah, you can't do that here. 700 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,800 No, so but yeah, mate, it's. But at least like you say, I 701 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,080 know you want to talk a bit about like mental health, at 702 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:57,200 least it gave you that outlet to improve, not just, you know, 703 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:01,800 your physical health had stabilized to a degree that you 704 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,160 could live your life and work and you know, that kind of 705 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,280 thing. But obviously the gaming 706 00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:10,920 improved your mental health. Big time. 707 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:12,800 Yeah. You have to have something to 708 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,960 look forward to, you know, you have something to work towards. 709 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,960 And also just sitting there and and painting the miniatures as a 710 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,880 form of meditation. I'm just sitting there dreading, 711 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,280 dreading beginning thing like this is going to be so terrible. 712 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,880 And my first miniature was terrible and I I have kept he's 713 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,080 on my shelf behind me. He he, he's one of those Euro 714 00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,800 Quest zombies. And I I just came from there as 715 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,680 a reminder because every new miniature I paint, I can look at 716 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,720 the difference to see where I was not that long ago to where 717 00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:50,120 I've come. You know, I'm, I'm not an 718 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:55,480 amazing painter at all, but I'm, I'm, I'm getting quite happy 719 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,880 with how my miniatures are starting to turn out. 720 00:43:58,720 --> 00:44:01,680 Yeah, you know, helps with the immersion when you're playing 721 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,480 and you know, nothing is more beautiful than a a table full of 722 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,360 nice well painted minis. Yep, absolutely. 723 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:15,480 Yeah, and yeah, with with Trecon effects as well and starting to 724 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,400 look at 2nd and 40K Cool. Even going further back than 725 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,120 that. I've got a Rogue Trader rule 726 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,440 book as well and going to try and make sense of it. 727 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,800 And we're going to have a have a go of that at some point as 728 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:34,720 well. Got a dear friend of mine went 729 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:38,200 to the movies not to that week or so ago and he just presented 730 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,160 me with 3D printed high off Nanowar Free Fleet. 731 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,440 So that's another one to look forward to. 732 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,640 It's also working on printing out wallmaster armies. 733 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:54,000 I'll finally get my my High Elves again for wallmaster. 734 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,640 I think at a lower sort of smaller scale they might not be 735 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,680 so intimidating. We're. 736 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,720 Going to look at Epic as well at some point. 737 00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,960 You know the Sky's the limit. So many games to play. 738 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,960 Yeah, exactly, man. So many armies to build and have 739 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,640 fun with. Yeah, well, it's, it's just good 740 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,240 that you get, you just got back in the hobby, mate. 741 00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:18,600 That's the, that's the greatest thing. 742 00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,160 I'm, I, I still remember your first message you sent me on 743 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,680 Discord about, you know, your situation and that you found 744 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,480 discover the podcast and that that just improved your whole 745 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,720 outlook on things and you had something to look forward to 746 00:45:31,720 --> 00:45:36,800 again in terms of, you know, regular life. 747 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,560 Even now when I'm getting a little bit snappy or angry or 748 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:45,160 something because I'm in pain or whatever, my partner's like, go 749 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,760 go to the garage, do some painting. 750 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:53,520 Get the bong out, get some wait ministers out, but not even. 751 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,320 Until there's no I generally don't use marijuana when I'm 752 00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,520 painting. That might, that might, that 753 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:01,440 might be something to explore. I wonder that's. 754 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,720 Right. But I, but I, I, I come back, 755 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,640 you know, feeling better. Yeah. 756 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,600 You know, just sitting there and, and zoning out and just 757 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,760 listening to a podcast, listening to the Chronic Command 758 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,520 or you know, I would have a fiction podcast or chatting to 759 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,440 some of the guys on Discord. You know, it's nice, you know, 760 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,040 make friends from all over the world now, which is a nice 761 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,600 experience. Yep, absolutely mate. 762 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,600 That's one thing I can take away from it. 763 00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,520 That's so you. Know great people, yeah. 764 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:35,720 Yeah. And I think, you know, the 765 00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:39,000 Internet can be, especially nowadays, a rather sort of 766 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,640 unfriendly place, you know, full of trolls and, and not so nice 767 00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,360 people. But I've, I've never experienced 768 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,680 anything like that in any of the old Hammer sort of communities 769 00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:52,000 or in our community. Everyone is just so lovely and 770 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,920 so nice. And so what's really struck me 771 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,000 is people's generosity. You know, people you're like, 772 00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,360 oh, I've always wanted to have this thing or whatever. 773 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:01,920 And someone's like, oh, I've got it, here you go. 774 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,560 You can have it for free. And you're just like, seriously. 775 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,320 They're like, yeah, like I'm not going to use it. 776 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,000 I've, you know, go nuts or, you know, use this old white dwarf 777 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:17,400 or, or, you know, this beautiful siege book I've been dreaming of 778 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,840 getting and I had no chance of affording it on eBay and, and 779 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,960 you know, you sent it out to me so. 780 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,000 Yeah, well, that's it's just. That sort of thing. 781 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,520 And I'm, I'm reciprocating that where I can, you know, with the 782 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,280 old miniatures, I'm not going to use and send them out to people. 783 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:38,400 You know, I just really like this song, this sort of 784 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,440 community that you've built, You know, it's, it's, it's a 785 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,520 wonderful place. It's a nice place to be. 786 00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,880 I look forward to being a part part of it for many years to 787 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,320 come. Good on you mate. 788 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:51,680 I hope so. I hope so. 789 00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:55,280 I hope I, I hope I can keep doing this for many years to 790 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,320 come. But as I said, it's just not me. 791 00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,680 It's it's the whole group of us. It's everybody. 792 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,200 It's not just one person. Like I said, I like having other 793 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,560 people's voices on the podcast. I like other people's 794 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,920 contributions in other ways. It's it's a very much a 795 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:14,400 community driven thing because without everyone there, there is 796 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,680 no crown of command that, you know, it's just a madman in 797 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,560 Japan, as it were, you know, playing some games on his own or 798 00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,760 whatever. But yeah, that that everyone 799 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,960 together makes it such a much a much more enriching experience, 800 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,760 I think. And you learn a lot of things 801 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,960 and from different perspectives, different backgrounds, how 802 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,160 people got into the hobby, what they get out of the hobby, you 803 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,680 know, And it's always really inspiring. 804 00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:40,960 And even sitting, sitting there thinking like, how am I going to 805 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,720 get this effect on this mini? Like I've tried it 200 times and 806 00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:46,840 I just can't get it. And someone in the painting chat 807 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,720 is just like, oh, here you go. Have a look at this. 808 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,920 Do it like this. Or like learning how to use 809 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,600 contrast pains because I've never heard of them. 810 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,160 They didn't exist when I was a kid, you know, and I love them 811 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,720 now. I use them a lot, not 812 00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:04,560 exclusively, I still love the old, old, old style of building 813 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:08,480 layers and highlighting as well. But I use a lot of contrast 814 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,320 painting and it's just learning different colours, mixing them 815 00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,640 to mixing them together to get the sort of effect that you want 816 00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,840 and playing around with, you know, the contrast mediums and 817 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,200 the alarming, whatever it's called, mediums. 818 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,560 And just just to get different sort of effects. 819 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,800 Learning how to use a wet palette, how to make some 820 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:33,280 terrain, how to get into 3D printing, all this sort of 821 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,320 stuff. Yep, Yep. 822 00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,320 Nice. That's great, a nice sharing, 823 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,600 giving community, nice place to learn, nice place to share, just 824 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,000 a nice place to chat, make friends. 825 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,680 Yep, absolutely. Yeah, I, I totally agree with 826 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,160 you. I totally agree in terms of 827 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:56,080 like, you know, the Internet being it can be a place where 828 00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:02,800 there are a lot of unfriendly, nasty type of content or people 829 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,040 posting or whatever. But there are there are pockets 830 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,720 where that's not the case. And like I said, I think the old 831 00:50:09,720 --> 00:50:15,560 hammer Facebook groups and on Discord, especially because I 832 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,800 always say, you know, Discord is one of my favorite places 833 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,480 because there's no meta, there's no advertising, there's no, 834 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,760 well, they're, they've got like an AI bot there, but it's very 835 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,360 much its own, its own space. And you don't have all the other 836 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,920 influences out there that sort of dragging you down into other. 837 00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,320 I, I think, I think that's a that's a shame because the, the 838 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,400 like Oldhammer sort of community groups and Facebook are lovely, 839 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,160 but I just, I can't handle everything else popping up. 840 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,800 Yeah, yeah. You know, and, and then I'll be 841 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,200 strolling being like beautiful miniature, beautiful miniature. 842 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,600 And then there's just this, you know, a video of somebody 843 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,120 chopping wood and it's done in a way that's mesmerizing. 844 00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,680 So you keep watching it and before you know it, you spend 10 845 00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,640 minutes doing that and you're like, what am I doing? 846 00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,160 I don't want to watch somebody chopping wood. 847 00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,640 I want to look at some minis. I've just, I've kind of given up 848 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,360 on the, on the Facebook groups now. 849 00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,480 I'll just stick with the discord, which, you know, it's 850 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,560 nice. It's, it's well moderated. 851 00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,720 There's no, there's no nasty stuff, there's nothing popping 852 00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:16,080 up. Yeah, we don't really have 853 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,680 moderation because there's no need for moderating. 854 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,080 Self moderated, yeah. It's all pretty much self 855 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,400 moderated. Yeah, we all got all great guys 856 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,560 and maybe women, I don't know in the group. 857 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,480 But yeah, no, we don't have to moderate anything. 858 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,480 That's the beauty of it. We're all sort of like minded. 859 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,520 We're all from the same similar generations. 860 00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,320 I think maybe. I think that makes a big, big 861 00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,560 difference too. But we do have younger members 862 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:46,400 too, you know, we've got Marcel the Younger over in Poland there 863 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:51,120 who's a big old Hammer fan. I've had him on the podcast many 864 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,200 years ago. So yeah, we've got different 865 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,400 generations of people there, so that's nice as well. 866 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,440 We've got older grognards like me, and we've got younger, 867 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,280 younger grognards out there too, you know? 868 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,160 And it's always fascinating when I find someone like yourself 869 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,600 too. I mean, let someone's a lot 870 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,400 younger who discovered old Hammer and just fell in love 871 00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,320 with old Hammer, you know, I think that's really nice that 872 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,720 they sort of went back from their starting point because 873 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:16,840 usually people get in the hobby when their starting point and go 874 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:18,960 forward. But it's nice to hear people go 875 00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,640 back and discover something they've never seen before and 876 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,080 they really like it. Yeah, it's just that that's just 877 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:29,400 the whole sort of ethos of it. Oh, this is to have fun. 878 00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,080 It's a narrative and you know, you don't even need to use our 879 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,360 miniatures, but you've got some cut out, cut out tokens in the 880 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,600 back of the book that you can just use those instead. 881 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,880 You don't need to buy anything, you know, and there's all the 882 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,600 humor throughout it. And if it's looked at any of the 883 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,880 modern stuff, it's all, I don't know if I, if this is correct, 884 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,240 but it looks like it's AI created art and the law just 885 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:54,240 kind of looks the same and there's no sort of humor to it. 886 00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,320 And you know, I, I do like the dark, grim dark aspect, but it's 887 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,440 kind of gone too dark, if that makes sense. 888 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,160 Like you can't even tell the miniatures what the miniatures 889 00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:09,160 are on the table because everything is just sort of dark. 890 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,280 Yes, yeah. And I'll, I'll say I'll plug 891 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,840 someone here very quickly too. If you go to our fan art channel 892 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,600 on our Discord, there's a guy called Peter from Sweden who's a 893 00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,240 professional artist and his stuff is just incredible. 894 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,720 The stuff he's drawing is just amazing, but it's all in that 895 00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:32,080 same sort of style, Old Hammer artwork, you know? 896 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,080 Yeah, I just think there's, there's something to it even 897 00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,480 same with the miniatures. Then you can look at some of the 898 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:42,600 modern miniatures like I, I even bought some of the some of the 899 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,880 modern AOS ones because I thought they they looked really 900 00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,040 nice. And then they, they, when you 901 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,280 pull them out and you put them up next to some of the old ones, 902 00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,120 like I bought, I kind of remember what they called the, 903 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,680 the ghost looking ones based on all of them, John Blanch's 904 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,640 artwork. And they, they look lovely. 905 00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,280 But then when you hold up like a piece of lead from the 80s or 906 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,480 90s and you just like, you know, comparison, you know, the 907 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,080 character that's being put into it. 908 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,560 And even even the, the sensation of painting it, I find these, 909 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,920 the 3D Craftsman are just too smooth. 910 00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:19,960 There's nothing, there's not enough texture and there's 911 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:24,760 nothing like it's, it's not a nice an experience to paint. 912 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,440 And you know, and there's something about the weight of 913 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,160 them, you know, the physical weight it kind of gives us. 914 00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,640 I don't know exactly, but you know, a lot of the ones I'm 915 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,880 painting are those, those skeletons from the 80s. 916 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,960 So they don't weigh very much. But if you compare them to the 917 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,400 modern skeletons, there's just no comparison. 918 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:49,720 They're just, they're gorgeous. The old ones, they're just so 919 00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:51,040 brutal. That's the problem. 920 00:54:51,720 --> 00:54:54,240 Yeah, the. Problem I've been having with 921 00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:58,000 them is just I buy them in lots and I get get lucky. 922 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,320 Sometimes it's a really good price and sometimes you know, 923 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,920 that's, that's less than a dollar of skeletons at times, 924 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,240 but that somebody else has painted them. 925 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,160 And for me, I know some people share this aspect and some 926 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,720 people don't. But just for me personally, I 927 00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:17,200 feel like I don't own a miniature until I've painted it. 928 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,440 Everybody's different, but that I for me personally, like it's, 929 00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,360 I kind of get to know the miniature through the process of 930 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,680 painting it. And we kind of, I don't know, 931 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,880 like develop a bond in that way. And what I've completed, it's 932 00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,840 like this is something I have created. 933 00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,320 You know, the problem is that they're so brutal that I'm 934 00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:41,840 having so much trouble removing the old paint jobs. 935 00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,280 So I end up just painting over them. 936 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:45,480 Very, very. Carefully. 937 00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:47,000 That's a good idea. That's a good idea. 938 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,520 That's what. I would do too. 939 00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,760 I find you can get away with a lot of it, but some of them, 940 00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,680 some of them you just really have to try your best to get the 941 00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,480 paint off them because they're just being painted by a 12 year 942 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,200 old and they've just like I can't see any of the features 943 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:04,960 anymore. But that's why the lead minions 944 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,240 are good, because you just Chuck them in a bucket of acetone and 945 00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:11,440 they come out beautiful. Yep, Yep, that's right. 946 00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:15,160 You can't go wrong with lead. That's it, mate. 947 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:19,440 That's what I think too. So praise the lead gods for our 948 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,720 lead miniatures. That's a process, yeah. 949 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,040 Just kind of can't afford them, unfortunately. 950 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:29,240 Yeah, You know, everyone kicks themselves, as many people. 951 00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:30,920 I've heard you interviews say the same thing. 952 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,040 I just remember a few times where I've hesitantly thought I 953 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,360 want to get back into the hobby over the years and looking at 954 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,880 the prices of of them. I remember maybe 10 years ago 955 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:46,400 saying that maybe a 1 1/2 thousand 2000 point high off 956 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:51,600 army, beautifully painted like 150 bucks and being like, Nah, 957 00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,080 it's too expensive. And then be like, why didn't I 958 00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,960 buy it? You know why didn't I buy that? 959 00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,920 It's a steal. Someone's giving it away, Yeah. 960 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,080 I know. But this, I think this is just 961 00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:06,960 as you know, the the old world was destroyed and a lot of 962 00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,080 people were just like, Nah, stuff is getting rid of all my 963 00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:13,560 stuff. And I think I, I, I regret not 964 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,440 getting into the hobby earlier, like during COVID would have 965 00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,600 been the perfect opportunity. That's. 966 00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,080 Yeah. I'm just happy I got in when I 967 00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:25,800 did because you know, from everything it's given me and the 968 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,120 longer I would have waited the the more it would have become 969 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:32,240 impossible price wise I think. Yeah, yeah, it makes. 970 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:35,000 You appreciate. The the stuff you have got the 971 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,480 IT makes you, it does make you appreciate the lead models you 972 00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:40,120 do have, Yeah. And you? 973 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:41,640 Never, never get rid of those ones. 974 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:43,640 Yeah, exactly. Exactly. 975 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,360 Yeah. And also, you know, a lot of 976 00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,120 these second proxy sort of miniatures from these other a 977 00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:53,120 lot of them I've learned about from, you know, this community 978 00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,240 and made in the old Hammer style. 979 00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,040 True, you know, more affordable. Let's say they're beautiful. 980 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,800 You know, I've never never even considered playing with 981 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,440 miniatures that weren't Games Workshop. 982 00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,600 But I don't really I've realized I don't really care as long as 983 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,960 they had that old hammer look to them. 984 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,720 They could have been made yesterday unhappy with them, you 985 00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,720 know? So I've found found quite a few 986 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,480 nice pieces from my army from from some of those 987 00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:24,840 recommendations from here. Good. 988 00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:27,560 Mate, that's great. Excellent. 989 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,480 Yeah, there's nothing wrong with some of the some of the stuff 990 00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,640 being made now from Nightmare Games and. 991 00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:37,720 That's a good one, Yeah. And 9998 games is excellent. 992 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,240 That's an excellent stuff from there. 993 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,640 Yeah. And there's, yeah, there's, 994 00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:47,560 there's so many now that have popped up or I've discovered. 995 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:55,480 So there's just a wealth of, of old Hammer, not replicas, but 996 00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,720 you know, in the same theme or style as the old Hammer models 997 00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:03,120 just created in in modern times. So, you know, there's, there's 998 00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,040 loads of stuff out there for people to get into. 999 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,520 And yeah, I really want to support and help out the guys 1000 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,000 who are still making metal models because as you know, in 1001 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:18,680 the UK especially, they're sort of a dying breed, those 1002 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,800 companies, because obviously metal prices go up or the 1003 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,640 material costs go up and it's it's sort of forcing them out of 1004 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:29,360 business. So the more people that can 1005 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:33,400 support them, the more they're going to be around and you know 1006 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,080 that that'll be just better for the hobby, I think. 1007 00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,520 Definitely. Well, Emil, it's been really 1008 00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:47,040 wonderful to talk to you, mate. I appreciate your time today and 1009 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,600 for coming on to tell us all about your story. 1010 00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,520 Yeah, thanks. Thanks very much for having me. 1011 00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,440 It's been privilege coming on. And you know, again, thank you 1012 00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,640 for everything you've done for the community and. 1013 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,000 Through that, everything you've done for me, it's made a big 1014 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,840 difference to my quality of life and I'll be forever grateful for 1015 01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,800 that. I'm very happy to hear that. 1016 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:15,120 So you keep the bong and the miniatures in the garage on 1017 01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:20,240 standby if you need to break out and, and to, to escape the world 1018 01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,240 and find a better place, because that's what I like to do in my 1019 01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,120 little man cave here in the create command studios in the 1020 01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:29,400 bunker, Come and paint some miniatures and escape, escape 1021 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:30,920 everything from outside. It's wonderful. 1022 01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:35,720 And I'm just glad that your life is back on track, mate. 1023 01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:39,520 Your quality of life is getting better and, and I hope that will 1024 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:44,240 just improve over time, you know, But if anything, you've 1025 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:48,520 got the hobby there and a great bunch of guys to to connect 1026 01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:50,400 with. Now you've got Ken, we're going 1027 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,640 to call him Krell Now that's your that's your, that's your 1028 01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,840 life heterospectual life partner. 1029 01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,640 You know, your best buddy in your, your camela and what's 1030 01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,160 what's kind of well, you got kind effects got lots of KS here 1031 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,040 actually kill Creme. So we're gonna, we're gonna have 1032 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:11,040 that Mordheim or Warhammer quest game. 1033 01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,560 I, I, I enjoyed seeing your photos of the, the club days 1034 01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:16,720 with you guys getting to play. I think it was, I think it was 1035 01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:18,360 Warhammer Quest you played last time. 1036 01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:21,400 No, it's more time. What was it? 1037 01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:21,920 They. They. 1038 01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:25,640 Yeah, they, yeah, they that, that is played in the club, but 1039 01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,880 I have not yet played that. But that's again one of one of 1040 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,560 the games that's due to play at some point soon. 1041 01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,920 Wonderful. OK, well, I'm I'm really, really 1042 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,520 glad you found those guys that kind of fixes taking, taking you 1043 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,400 under his wing and got you guys playing. 1044 01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:48,280 So let's let's make 2025 the year of the old hammer and let's 1045 01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,960 get some games of one the third edition played. 1046 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,120 And you're going to help us with a siege game as well. 1047 01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,640 You're going to be Gming us in a siege game sometime at some 1048 01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,560 point this year. I've got to get my mighty 1049 01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:03,000 fortress painted up as well in in in preparation for that. 1050 01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,240 But just don't. Spray paint it. 1051 01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:08,320 Yeah, no, I'm not going to spray paint it. 1052 01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:12,720 No, I I actually found actually found images of my old, my 1053 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,000 original one that the guy I sold it to is selling it now in 1054 01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,640 Australia. But it didn't look too bad. 1055 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,120 Actually I was quite, I was quite impressed with it. 1056 01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,360 It looked. Pretty plastic one or Styrofoam. 1057 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,320 No Styrofoam, the original 1. I bought it years and years ago 1058 01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:32,160 on eBay in the UK for not so much money back then. 1059 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,040 But then I did. I coated it with textured paint 1060 01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:40,040 and sprayed it over the top, but the textured paint sort of 1061 01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,320 filled up all the all the brickwork and everything, 1062 01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,240 unfortunately. So it was, but it was good. 1063 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:51,000 I I enjoyed doing it. That was during my sort of old 1064 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,600 Hammer collecting days back in the 2000s, somewhere around 1065 01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,000 there. But anyhow. 1066 01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,600 But yeah, we're going to, we're going to make 2025 the year of 1067 01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,440 old Hammer make for sure 3rd edition fantasy 1 role play, 1068 01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,200 first edition Rogue trade. I played that once, enjoyed it. 1069 01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:11,440 Want to play it again? Yeah, Adaptors Titanic has 1070 01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,080 played that. Loved that, although it was 1071 01:03:13,080 --> 01:03:15,640 fantastic. So yes, the year of the old 1072 01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:16,640 hammer, mate. Let's do it. 1073 01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:18,800 Awesome. Look forward to. 1074 01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,280 It OK my friend. Well I'll I'll catch up with you 1075 01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:26,520 soon again on discord but until then look after yourself and get 1076 01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,720 some more skelly bobs painted. Shall do. 1077 01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,200 Thanks mate, take care.