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we're here with Camp Fury. Can't is now incapacitated after
a horrific. Was it a might mountain bike
accident because the mountain bike accident, but I was going
so fast. I got treated like a motorbike
accident. I bet ya looking the photos.
You sent me. I was like really quite shocked,
so, yeah, it's made me feel sick.
Oh good, good, did you say the bone?
No, I didn't say the bone. Thank God.
I'm not looking at picture ever. Oh, good good.
I like to share these photos. I was actually sitting in the
ER, awarded the emergency Ward and they give me so much
morphine and I'm just sort of sitting up and the the Doctor
Who's like a little intern sort of guide is like, all right.
I'm going to start scrubbing it now.
Do you want to look at it? And I'm like Yeah, I got feel a
thing, go for it and he's sitting there and he's scrubbing
into it. He's like literally getting
tweezers and like pushing into my leg and then pulling out
twigs and pulling out stones and Pebbles and I got so gross, but
also High didn't matter. Yeah, just ate my breakfast.
Thanks, Candice. Let's hope that's what I'm here
for moving, right along. So you're alive and you're
alive. Yeah, yeah, I'm here for you.
I'm here for you. That's right, that's right.
Right. Yeah, okay so let's get let's
jump into it. Can you give us a brief very
brief history on your one of my history.
Well, how many history, right as a 40K DieHard until 1996 when I
was working for Games Workshop and they had a Warhammer staffed
ornament to try and drive a bit of, you know, Warhammer type
sales in Games Workshop, and it was 1,000 points.
It was a 500-point, slow grow. So you had To paint up by 250
points. I Growers had to pay 250 points
per month and the end of it. We had a tournament, no magic
items know anything else. It was just raw armies.
So going to the I think that was 50 addition, then 50 editions
goblins. And the High Elves is that right
now that says fourth edition, fourth edition was on the go.
So that's what we were playing and I think it was because we
had 50 Edition coming with the britannian.
That was coming out very soon, so was it just released?
I don't know. Anyway, I everyone went off in
chose, you know, big super duper armies and what sort of stuff
and I went. What's the most underrated Army
in the whole game and I'll an Empire went, right?
If I can build an Empire list and beat all the staff with
Empire. And yeah, we're talking dark
URLs with like, multiple shots. We're talking chaos.
Bloody, you know, Lord's running across the field.
Udon Juggernauts, and this sort of crazy Shenanigans.
And I went nuts. I'm going to create this Empire
list anyway. So long hard thoughts because,
as, you know, working Games Workshop.
You have some spare time to work on your own ideas and projects.
Yeah, just a bit. I have lots of
this is before scenarios, really big thing.
So every game was pretty much a static battle pitch battle.
So, I developed this tactic with my Empire Army, and it proved,
so successful that I ended up in the Grand Final against the area
manager of the time. I need an epic battle between
three Giants in 1000 point game. By the most amazingly converted,
awesome Giants, and Jimmy should be very proud of those.
I came out the Victor, I was one of the first tournaments over
actually fully one. And from that point on, I just
spent, you know, what, Empire for life I am now 100% Empire,
man. I pretty much gave up 40K that
day and spent the next. It wasn't 96 for makes 2000.
So 24 years. I've been playing Empire through
every Edition since 4th edition. And this Army that handsome.
So the Army you see, there is actually the original army Okay,
so you just sent me there just scrolling through just before I
really like that. That light wizard, you did the
paint job on that looks really nice and the colors of the hero
on the Pegasus looks very nice to.
Yeah. So he was actually use a pretty
interesting model because I want to left Games Workshop.
So I left Games Workshop in, I think 2000, just before 2000 and
I had enough, I literally quit. What am I for almost 10 years?
And all I had left was so pretty much missed six additional.
I shouldn't since I played every Edition, I miss 6 Edition pretty
much and I never picked up a miniature until my first son was
born and I painted that Pegasus Rider with my first son was born
because I was bored. And before them before they're
my wife, never actually knew the full extent of my nerdism.
She has all the time in all those things, and not knowing
how much it was. She's a silver.
He must be able to do awesome. Yeah but she's someone Surfin
Surfin. Yeah, that's awesome.
So that's what, that's what you want is you want to live in
Australia? Just come back from Australia.
This live in Japan. So I've been stuck here
otherwise. Yeah, otherwise makes you wanted
to spend on the plane straight away to beat to live on the Gold
Coast where I'm where I'm at, because it's like basically, the
surface is the surfing Mecca. Well, you got the second one
which is your castle where I am. Yeah, let's get some coffee with
your place mat and go surfing or something.
I'll just play with you. That's right.
That's fine. Tell me about you, mate.
How did you get into warmer? What hooked you I was her
request first. So got her request is like the
first-ever fantasy game and then I was sort of my son like intro
into Games, Workshop through that board game sent away for
the pamphlet. As I think a lot of people did,
From my era and then got the catalog, little red catalog that
came with it. So, it had all the Third Edition
will hand it back in those days and all the, you know, the 1st
Ed Rogue Trader, 40K and epic and all that kind of stuff.
So, yeah, we now got a copy of the hardback of Third Edition,
but of course, in those days was just a book, like the box sets
later, came with all the Miniatures and Camera, armies
that came up, much more accessible, that you can now,
was it out of the game. Was that war have original book.
Was that also, Out of a role-play book or they two
separate books. That's his total to you.
But they did have rules in like the role play book that if you
wanted to find a mass battle, you can.
They're all compatible based? All right, cool.
So did I didn't really play 3rd Edition, I just really liked the
look at the pictures and I love, I fell in love with the dwarves
and and just just basically just, you know, Google doable,
all the pics and all the battles and stuff that in there.
And it wasn't till 4th edition set came out that I really got
stuck into it. And found guys this is all pre
internet. Guy said, like this is way way
before the internet ever came out.
So it's basically looking at note boards and game shops in
Brisbane. Looking for people who played
this game and and trying to hook up with them.
And so, I eventually did and found clubs and that kind of
stuff. And really got into the painting
aspect of of the, of the Hobby and never look back mate.
Yeah, and your painting is like next-level.
You do know this, don't you No, it's very simple.
It's all right, honey. I'm not really start painting
Rosy noses and like, Cherry lips and different colors in the
eyeballs, that puts you two different level and my friend.
It really does. It's honestly, it's not that
hard. Yeah, you're a painter.
We did the trader terminated for another blog that I do, which is
40k Harris e.com with three of my mates from Games Workshop.
And we came up with a Terminator, we will have the
Terminator Captain, we decided to have a paint off, and I put a
lot of time into it and then, you know, you put a lot of time
into something and you just All right.
Now, III so self-critical. I was like, you know what?
It's going to suck because the main guy mix there, he's a
really good paint. He's a really clean crisp
painter and no matter how hard I try, I'm not that crisp, I'm
very, I've got a more of a grungy style of painting and
like, it just annoys me but you need, you need someone like that
because I had the same thing. Like, you know, I met Marcus
when I first got into like the Hobby and that kind of Of thing
and he's like, a really good painter.
And I was like, he was like, the sort of The Benchmark that I
wanted to get. So it's good to have someone
around you. Like that money.
Makes it sort of ended. They don't teach you anything,
it's just like okay well that's sort of more a steaming to you
to get to that level and you sort of try and try and try
harder and harder until you get to.
I got my painting to a level where I was, I'm I would
classify myself in a top sort of tear of painting, but then
there's literally like, now, with the internet, you look at
some of the other I say I consider myself a good painter
but then there's artists and I thought it's yards.
Are just a complete different sub genre from painters.
Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah.
If you look at something like Dave, Sabo who's been around
since I was ever since I was in the hobby, like, back in the
night, like yeah, iits he still painting.
Now here's like a graphic, graphic designer for all these
Life as a professional. From graphic design and then he
quit, and then he went into full time, she's
and still knocking those ministers out, and he's still
got the same level even higher than that, much higher.
Now, but the technique that guy has is just way beyond my ever
T. My, my expectations I could, and
I think that's part of it as well as City your expectations
with Honey, as we get older, we've got more commitments and
you're not going to get as much time as you want on a single
miniature. And if you like me you want to
crank out Miniatures for armies and that's what I tend to do
now. But it is really nice.
Focus is to do. One miniature for a change.
It was actually quite nice to get that.
Yeah. But we my Empire Army.
I've painted a lot for ranks and then I've gone back and read
done them and because I've had the Army for so long, like I
actually go back and repaint whole unit sometimes or just go
back and touch it up and make it more fancy.
I love it. I can't stop seeing with it.
I'll go through and I'll do it too late.
Yeah, it's a good fun, you know? And I always say to people like,
you know, maybe you're not happy with the certain standard you've
got now, but you can always go back and and go over things that
you're not happy with. So what was your main Army?
What was the army that just grabbed?
You that said that's the Army and I am this for life.
Instead dwarves. Yeah, it's quite sad to admit
that but I had to get the so costly that buying the ministers
that have wanted at the time but it was never an actual Army.
So always gain with the High Elves and I had a for.
I'll yeah me because you know because you just got This is in
the set and you just had to get the character models and what
kind of thing. So, I played with High Elves
until all the way through 4th edition and then I went to the
UK and work for Games Workshop. Then when I came back, I brought
a whole chaos Army back with me for 40K and fantasy.
And then I eventually swap that and traded it for a night,
Goblin Army and that got me on the possession of night goblins
and as fell in love with them big time.
And then I did have some dwarves that I've been chewing.
We sold them or swap them or something like that was quite
tragic. And then it was only about two
years ago that I went and then I started getting back into war
hammer and this whole sort of, you know, this whole Nostalgia
thing started kicking in and I thought.
Okay, that's it. I'm going to buy my dream dwarf
Army and I did, I'd spend about, I don't know.
But $700 I think. Well up maybe bit less than
that. And dysport all the units and
all the models I've ever wanted in one big go.
And now, but it also. And now I'm Saying dogs and I
just absolutely love them. I've always loved the books,
I've always loved the law behind them, it's just that I never
really got to got to them onto the table.
So but yeah, this is the best magician like fourth edition.
That fourth edition rulebook is the best addition to Clayton,
you know, I think So it was it always Empire for you.
Might like your Empire was like your, your dream Army that
you've collected and painted and play with all these years.
If you've played, I don't know because you didn't really play a
seventh and eighth, did you? I had two games of a tradition
or three, that three games a tradition with the guy in that
local store with my or God. Yeah.
Me and it just wasn't for me made it just didn't play six.
I didn't play seventh, so playing eight.
It just wasn't the same game. Now, it's a very different style
of game but just to give you an idea, dwarfs got fast.
Yeah, so you could easily run. Infantry armies of dwarfs and
dwarfs became very maneuverable and it's just a really rock
solid Army. You could play defensive line,
but you could also get out there and just get amongst it.
One of my one of my arch-nemesis Daniel, he was he always played
dwarfs, I always played Empire, we'd play in tournaments, we'd
be both of us, would be sort of pushing up towards the top.
We meet each other in the middle.
And for four consecutive tournaments, he beat me.
I was always always going in red, hot favourite and I'll
always come out losing to him and I'm just like, for God's
sakes, things like my Cannons, all my cannons are blow up or,
you know, any key moment, my whole Army would run away, or
you know what I mean? Just just the Empire luck like,
it, just God. Like playing Empire sometimes
can be the most soul-destroying because you're always up against
it with Empire. And that's one of the reasons
why I've always liked playing him because for me to be human,
in the Warhammer world was an image of absolute fear and
Terror you here you are standing on the battle line with the hell
bird. There's a light bit of tin on
your chest and here comes an 8 foot or running a.
Are you just, you know, You're up against it.
It's just always up against it. I love that feeling for it and I
remember will playing in a one of the very early warmer
tournaments over played in and it was a team tournament and it
was three player tournament. You had a first tier second tier
third T, and we were coming in first and all I had to do was
win a game and all I had to do was not fail a break test at
8:00. I've failed twice.
So how long they are? Tell you I lost our entire
team's tournament based off one leadership role.
And I only only lost because it was a fee causing unit or
something. And I had to make a brake test
and I was like, and I was is no worries.
It's tonight. I've got my jaw go.
I gotta be as be here. I've got this.
I got that now worries filed the first one.
No, no. She's right father segment.
Oh no. She's right.
That's gonna go. Okay.
That's all right. They'll run.
And I'll just regain, and they'll come back.
And then I rolled a two to run. You said about my role, that's
what my role. Also, whole tournament for art.
I'd say, just based off that you like come on.
And the you know Empire of done that to me.
And then I've played the number one, Warhammer pyre in a
tradition. He later became the number-one
player in Australia at the time he wasn't but he was playing a
beastmen army and I beat him in the first term.
My cannons fired off. They rallied they they destroyed
a few units which caused a simple taneous Panic across his
entire Army. One unit would flee the next
year, would flip it, and they all float off the ward.
He had nothing left. So, you know, you get your apps
to get you Downs. You know, it's one of those
things in one of my but yeah, I can see where you're coming
from. When you come from forth, only,
like, fourth is a great addition and, you know, leading into what
we're going to talk about today, which is warm renascence and how
they've brought in a lot of the different elements.
So you probably played a little bit more of it than I have and
I'm more of the history. So give us a bit of a spiel
about 100 renascence. Well, I just had a game
yesterday with a friend of mine that was it was done online.
So he was playing remotely. As you know, we're sort of
keeping to the social distancing rules at the moment and it's the
only way we can actually get a game.
I was like just I was just so I'm just so fed up with like you
know being separated not be able to go down to the club and not
be able to roll some dice with my mates.
So we said, okay well let's try it and see how it goes.
So we have look at the rules All's he will to the rules more
extensively than I did. We have more time to sit at home
and do it. So, basically, to give a brief
overview, the person who wrote these rules is man from Denmark
and he has a, he's name is bolder, and he has his own
Facebook group on Facebook, Facebook group, on Facebook,
called one, a Renaissance. And I've been a member for, I
don't know, a good six months or something, now, or more.
And I was just like, just Just looking at all the photos that
kind of thing. I didn't know much about the
game and it had it had an interview on the podcast with
him. And since that interview, I was
more interested in Keen to have a look at the rules.
So have a look at the rules. Basically, it is built on the
4th edition set of rules and mechanically.
But then he's added, a few rules changes or modifications to the
mechanics from later editions that work better or work, you
know, maybe he was more here. I found that, you know, from
playing for through 28, that he found some elements of those
games where they just work better.
So he basically says it's a rewrite of the rules, but
essentially it's just wama as, you know it, it's just you need
to go through the rules more in depth to just check all the, any
of the changes. So, so going past that we had a
game yesterday playing dwarves and night goblins.
Now, the, the Army books, Based on the fourth edition Army books
and he's included some little additions.
Maybe units that weren't in those books but were later found
in the sixth to eighth edition books.
So for example, dwarves have. Now golf ranges that can
Skirmish and that can scout. So that's awesome for me because
I always wanted to play the Bergman ranges, but then they
weren't never, they'll never in fourth edition.
So I can actually Only play those guys.
Now, they've also got the minor rule.
So the miners do with minors, they can make up.
That's that they can tunnel and sort of pop up on those things
are. Vicious go for minors.
Are always vicious. Yeah.
Well, I don't actually have the models and I didn't but I
thought well, I'm not going to really play miners that much of
that think, but now I really want to get the get a unit of
those guys don't actually play them because they look really
hope your I'm sleeping all day. Going to cost you a fortune.
Maybe I had a chance to buy a whole unit of 20 for about 100
bucks Australian and I said to the guy at look I'll get back to
you and then he quit this particular form that Isles.
I think the magic system is based on the
fourth fish and magic set. Yeah.
Okay. Magic.
Okay, magic battle Magic. Well, battle magic Arcane magic.
And yes battle magic and then yeah yeah yeah.
Yeah, yes they would do with a three male, three magic
supplements that there came with fourth edition plus he's
included. Some added magic items that he's
created himself. Maybe with his friends there and
he's playgroup so essentially it's basically fourth edition
with some added components from other editions.
In that I went through some of the main hearing Through some of
those magic items he hasn't made him up there.
Just parts of other parts of older and newer ones.
Yeah, so I've been through it as well.
I actually went through it. I always go through these things
because after the death of 8th Edition, a whole group of guys
got together and built 9th Edition which was built off.
All the things that was good about 8 and then they went
about, they had the right intention.
They wanted to make the game, Tournament level game.
Therefore making everything Fair even and very calculating, the
downside to it was reading the rule book was like reading a
engineering textbook All right, tell me about us or a guy down
down to that club. He brought that he bought that
man. Yeah, it was some kind of
biblical biblical proportions down to the car.
Yeah. And it really strangled for me
is strangled the life out of the game, but it taught me a really
valuable lesson and that is that built within the Games Workshop.
How should we say, business model?
And whether they did it intentionally, Tension, Leah,
but I got a feeling. I didn't do it intentionally to
start with, but then they've worked it out over time.
And it took me a long time to realize this, that bringing in
an army book, that breaks the system is actually good for the
system. So everyone wins is about
overpowered armies, right? Leave you some is to overpower.
This is 2. This is 2.
This but yeah, they are.
But that gives you the ability to then get creative with your
old army to try and overcome this new powerful theme.
It really makes you think. Okay, so like, for example, Dark
Elves, when Dark Elves came out, I think it was in 7th edition.
They were just so disgusting. It was ridiculous.
And in the hands of a good player, there are unbeatable
like they'll let your top tier Army for a very long time.
You have these hydras are under pointed running.
Across the field, flaming, everything, killing and
destroying and my God, he had like a Death Star Lord that
really couldn't be killed here. R2 plus Ward saved and another 2
plus save. And then anyways, ridiculous,
but taking my humble Little Empire Army, I'll still able to
beat those armies. Yeah, I mean that gave you a
massive sense of Pride and enjoyment.
The fact that you actually were able to take on a top-tier
inverted, commas top-tier Army and then come up with a
strategy, a cunning strategy to beat that army or exploit their
bad deployment or the luck of the game.
Just got the better of it and your Cannon just snipe.
It is General in the first shot. Yeah, I mean like that was the
sense of adventure for it and when you get a game like night
at Feels Like A Rang out all that Adventure.
Trying to shit on the geyser play 9th because they are really
a bunch of good bunch of guys. Just the game just wasn't for me
because the fun of it wasn't there anymore.
You know, this is very common because I've never played nine
tonight. I'm certainly not begrudging the
that that system because it's obviously created for a bunch of
people who really enjoy it and get a lot of enjoyment as
applying system is actually really good to play.
It's just hard to learn, man. This is hard to read.
It is. That's one thing I'll say about
the Renaissance rules. It's all in black and white
print. It's not the most aesthetically
pleasing on the eye and it's quite difficult to get a look at
the stats and that kind of thing.
So that usually just turns me off straight away.
If I see black and white, you know, Word documents, I like,
no, no thanks. I'll just stick with my color
rulebooks. Thank you very much, even though
ironically the fourth edition. Yeah, but they were always good.
Rubeus always have a very good time, like the voice very light,
they're very easy to read. The Riders were really good at
doing it and I unfortunately, it created terrible gray areas
within the rules, which would be exploited by rules lawyers, but
at the same time, but at the same time played among
gentleman, which is what all the games were designed to be in the
first place. I'll never designed to be a
tournament game. Play the monks gentlemen, it was
always easy. It was always nice and was
always Pleasant. Aunt.
And that they'll bring to my most important point, is that
The when he wrote the rules for this, he wanted to bring a lot
more clarity and take all the ambiguity.
Yeah, that's fair enough. So basically, if he said you can
do this or you can't do this and it's it's sort of cutting all
the gray areas and it's cutting it all the arguments and cutting
out all the sort of doubters to, you know, maybe this can do this
or yeah, bullshit out. And basically it's just giving
you a much cleaner gaming experience and I think that's
probably the main aim. Of yes, sir.
Some of my mates actually had a game of it.
The other night make make Kendall, who is actually the
very first, you know, Kendall. He was like this one.
The Masters, would you believe it with an?
It was an Empire Army. Would you believe?
I do believe it. I've seen the guy play.
He's freaking actually, he can actually table you when he's got
a grade 10, hangover and just vomited, then come out and still
beat you and be grumpy about it. And he He's a monster.
When it comes to these especially Warhammer he gets it
on such an intimate level that watching him play is quite
masterful, the poor unfortunate soul that played in got
absolutely shredded but they had a really fun game of about.
I think 1500 points. You know, he plays his Empire.
The other guys playing. As soon as she demon army, they
had nothing but rave reviews around it.
So that's a good sign. And like a place, like New
Castle, Legions is where we're here.
We hail from. I'm like that's how club with a
master's of resurrecting dead systems.
We've resurrected every dead system known to man from epic to
Bloody War Hammer to 2nd Ed 40K. You know if it's a dead system
will find it and we'll play it. Can you can you reckon your
resurrect old what's-his-name? Is it?
Here's the old bloke there again is.
Well yeah. One of the strongest Edition, I
was on a podcast called Point Hammer, which was the first
podcasting bloody war hammers show in the world.
And we had a massive following and we were, you know, the guy I
never got to go to tournaments at that stage because I was very
busy. But the guys that were also
involved in the show Kendall being one of them went to every
single tournament around Australia and they were washing
face. So a really good at it.
They're loving 7th edition they'll really going at it.
Then we run a 24-hour podcast to raise money for us to go over to
a depth of coin, on the release of eight division, we all played
it and half the crew, know two-thirds of the crew.
Just went this game shit. We don't apply it and pull it
out and just went that's it. And that was a death of the like
there was a death of Warhammer for those guys they never want
to play one home ever again because I thought how dare you
do that? Little did I know in three years
time äôs was going to come and destroy it even further, which
is just a freaking mind boggling.
I understand, I get it from a business sense that Warhammer
was like two percent of their business and like 50% of their
stock line. I getcha all right, I get you.
But for god sakes, don't leave a vacuum because you had, I
remember seeing God burning his army in freaking on the YouTube
like it's, it was astounding to me that you would There was such
a like the etcs are the biggest sort of event in the world,
right? European Team Championships
Warhammer was as big as 40K, right?
As big Mighty 40K, might have been bigger, but etc' Warner was
as big and they were willing to Bulls to them for doing it.
Cut the whole bloody game off and go.
You know what? We're destroying all of it.
Screw you guys, you know, maybe you've been painting the same.
Even 26 years, screw you. You can put them on round basis.
You'll be excited about that. I can guarantee it.
No, I'm not excited about that. It's a shit idea and then the
game mechanic was the same as 40K.
Fuck that. So I don't do you want to swear?
But I was so I was so goddamn dirty because I am literally
Rockland to the core like I'm the car friends, Fanboy of
interna T. And the fact that he ascended
Has to be a god awesome but not so awesome.
The fact that I lost my right Glenn forever and so to the
point where I was literally posting things on iOS web sites
right Clan forever. Oh yeah, people will try to
convert we have an ALS I just leave the comment right Clan
forever you know you're going to you know the passion that we all
have for our armies and like I know all those guys in the pot
and the days and myself and then a whole bunch of other guys
still have their treasured armies in display cases.
Cases waiting for something so they can pull it out, play it
because we all love Warhammer like we just fucking love the
gamer, right. It's just anyway.
That that's just iOS. Like it was disastrous.
They're going to breed bring out old.
Was it old old world? Is that the new one or It's like
there's yeah, Return of the old school, the old world.
And I really like we're heading with it because it going,
they're going almost think a thousand years back from the end
of times into the, it was the Battle of the counts.
So, when the like Civil War was happening within the Empire,
that's really cool. Really cool thing.
I just I I'm a bit scared. I'm a little bit scared.
I just think that they're going to try and jam. 40K style rules
into it. And even though it's going to be
a square base game, I just don't think it's going to have what we
were after. Yeah, I think that's the general
consensus from people on that on that Facebook group is that from
in from people in on the inside is basically not going to be the
same one. And what's the point of that?
Previously? What is the point?
What? I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know what it's going to be and it's not it's
not. It's just a square base, goddamn
game that we can all play. 9th Edition, try to tie it all in,
to me. They failed because they are
alienated a null whole. Yeah, they just split apart the
whole thing again, they would've been better off saying.
Now, we're just going to keep playing at 8:00.
We're going to read, we're going to bring out Errata, that's
going to fix a cute few things for tournaments, but we're going
to keep it at 8:00. That's it.
Go for it. Yeah, I mean like that would
have just kept the scene going but instead, they split it
again. And then, once you start
splitting, an already split group, it gets worse and worse
and worse. So I'm all on board for the
wonderful world of Renaissance. I think that's awesome.
I still think we're missing. I think it needs to be more
broader. Going up to seventh edition.
To bring more guys into it because you've got a big gap
between fourth and seventh in terms of player pool, because
it'd be a lot of people that would never played forth.
But then you'll have more people.
You have more people that played shift to 7th, for example.
So it's a more of a matte light even though the game didn't
change much from 4th to 5th, that it changed quite a bit to
6. And then 6 and 7 would pretty
much the same but then eighth was a complete rewrite.
Almost So I think you can still, I still get rules wrong from 5th
edition and 7th edition, for example, and then I still bring
in rules from 7th edition 282. Dishin But there needs to unite
the Warhammer Community Games Workshop.
If you ever listening, you need to let the community own, it
just give us the freaking rules. You can make money and just
recreate the entire range in Forge World and do it as a
pre-order type scenario and people will buy that shit.
God damn it. Anyway, I'm all for warmer and a
science. I've read it, I'm into it.
I've had some a lot of questions around the Empire because there
seems to be massive chunks missing from the Army and some
explanations that I need to have, but I'm so goddamn excited
that I can feel the war wagon again.
I am an Aficionado of the Empire war wagon and the six
experimental weapons on the back and having to roll different
dice forever A single one of them.
I think that's fantastic and I also think it's fantastic that
you blow up a war wagon. I have a unit of six really
weird dudes walking across the battlefield shooting things and
catching things with my man catcher.
Which is what everybody should have.
It is, is an essential. You should have a man, catch up.
What, what, what, what wouldn't why wouldn't you have one?
Like I mean honestly, but yeah, I think, I think he's, you know,
and and going back to the point about the fourth edition, the
main thing that you'll probably need and so essential, but it
would be good to have. See this way.
This is where you could have done better.
All right, because magic innate was, I think one of the best.
It wasn't card-based and it was quite easy to deal with.
And they ended up. I think it's going to
be and some sleep cards and you got your whole Magic set in one
go. The rule books are available as
a PDF but you don't really, yeah.
You can't be pulled and, you know, so it's yeah.
So that's, that's my own. Yeah, well about that.
And because the, once I get my goat once I get my leg working
again, I'm definitely going to be.
I've actually got a, I've got a hookup with to my mates.
Another Empire and Goblin player and a Wood Elf player.
We are going to all have a crack at this.
And I will be reporting back to you.
We all very old Warhammer players, so we should be able to
pick this up very quickly. Yeah.
So I'm pretty excited about that.
Oh that's good. More people are coming and
joining the group more people are finding out about it.
And I think it just essentially needs more play testing and each
pin, he wants more feedback from the community as well.
And from what he's going to get a three page update for the
Empire Army. The manifesto of Fury from the
and how The Empire should be rolling.
What is this? Like there's, there's For me, as
an Empire players in play for someone's actually, glaring,
mistakes in the empire waist. So it's and that's no fault of
his own, because he's got a massive time to deal with, and
you need many at you need many editors to make things work.
What is the one advantage you have?
Is that hit the Empire? Well then he's got no excuse in.
So what's he doing? If you listen to his podcast,
what are you doing? Kitt.
Can you please? Can you like it one note in your
Manifesto to add to, please include the this is like and
he's stupid will freeze right Clyde?
Right one far out. So for the list, good listeners
that are listening. He's got something there which
is actually from the 6th edition.
And I might've been in fifth nothing sixth edition which is
which he had fourth edition of fifth edition, had ripened foot
nights awesome because I have a massive unit on my God like 38
of the so Suckers right? All metal, all beautiful, all
ready to rock. And I in later editions, I ran
them as prey swords and I just made it cool.
And then if I was playing friendlies, I'm that I tell my
mates, I'm not taking great. Sort of take me Shields and
they're all cool with that but he's got the rule in there, that
right? Oakland can only have you gone,
only have one unit of Rockland footnotes or one unit of right
Clem nights. Now, the knights actually cost
three points more than all the other Knights Panthers and, and
blazing Suns. Yet, they've got no stat
difference or special rules so they cost three more points for
being Reich. Wind, awesome.
I'll pay that three points because it is Reich went.
No other reason, but I'll pay that.
But then for God's sakes, give me back.
My buddy. Yeah, footnotes and my nights,
cause I want to remind me of Rockland again, my Army Rockland
needs to write out and then the Vicodin foot nights aren't State
troops either. So there's another big bloody
hole in the bloody thing. Well, it might look like I said,
everybody, if you've got concerns or questions, get them
on my, bring the group page. I never could do some things and
group Pages because it creates an absolute shit storm of
opinion. I will put it to the Man himself
and then he can deal with it. Yeah, that's why I might look at
his baby. Exactly, exactly.
He's put and he's done such a good job and I'm really, really
happy with what he's got. So I'll play it.
As is I promise except for his silly thing with the right one.
I'm just going to choose. I never read that and I'm just
going to well, can't look look do it this way.
It's just these rules aren't set in stone.
They're just a Homebrew set of rules.
You can tweak the number one is, I couldn't find any rules or
brace of pistols and I'd say he's assuming that we all know
it. That's nice.
So you wrote, he wrote the rule brace of pistols for pistol
years, but there's actually no rule for brace of pistols, which
means that theoretically the manifesto is better than he's
building. But I'm really the right one,
but I'm going to share this about all the legion group and
we might be able to resurrect some of this bad boy.
I can see is definitely getting involved in it and having a bit
of fun with it. And next time we speak, I Des I
would had a few games of it. Perhaps, I might I saw I saw
candles photos in the one renascence group so I'm really
happy to see him actually playing like I said, with his
with his friends and and that's all I need is we just need
people to play, test it, you know, pick up things.
You like, you don't like, and any concerns you have.
I think God's sakes. We needed, buddy data file
rules. Or whatever is someone had can
build as a data file for yeah. Battle scribe.
Goes easiest, one I do for is someone who was a battle file
for. That would make Life.
I just hate building army with some paper and Pen.
Yeah, I hate it. Yeah, it's a city.
I started Laborde. It's a laborious task.
I do it. When you can do it.
A busy man and I'm a busy man shit.
I gotta do. Well, hopefully, someone who's
They'll be in the pipe Works. Maybe he's a well.
After this conversation, I'll spend half an hour and I'll
write down my Manifesto. But I will play tested before I
send him stuff because this is rude to send things before you
actually. Maybe I'll play it as is except
for my to tweaks to the rules to make my right Clan a bit more
acceptable and palatable for my liking it.
Now, this pack was working in yesterday's game.
For instance, for as an example, we had the guy that the dwarf
car and hot. Dogs are a cocktail.
You want to pronounce it? It came up on the flank.
Are you gonna Smash in that battle, by the way, you're
playing the scenario, which is yeah, yeah, yeah.
The towels in the center of the table and basically the both
armies are set up in their 12-inch deployment Zone.
Own and they have to race into that towel.
How are you going to hell? You going to flush out dwarfs.
You can't, you can't basically it was with the scouting rule.
They just get in there and I definitely owe different.
I would definitely say that Scouts can't imagine.
Trying to root out. The second one would be
something like dark elf cross famine or something like chaos
Warriors. Oh my God.
Yeah, just trying to get cars where he's out of the house.
Yeah. Yeah, that's right.
So but anyhow we have better good fun playing the game.
But in my point is that the ghayra, the gyro copter?
Yeah. The steam, Cannon.
Yeah. So in the fourth edition rule
book, it states that you know you can move 12 inches and then
fire the steam Cannon. But in this in this Edition you
can move 10 inches and 5 steam Cannon.
Yeah. But in the fourth edition one,
you place the template and then anything under the template like
at least half under the template, you roll a diet and on
for plastic They hit, but in this version anything that's
half of. Yeah.
That was actually a real device part of the rules.
Yeah. Yes, yes.
I was it in later Editions. Well man, that is so sensitivity
of spells and how overpower they are man.
You have two of those things on your flanks and your armies as
comfort. You couldn't double up on units.
Well looking, if you'd like if you have two of those onto to
our year but that's going to be the snowman is steam tank
feature. It's gonna be the same way.
Like your goblins are your army was so fluffy and delicious.
I took one. Look at it and went, you're
going to get absolutely pummeled.
Yo, yo, that's what they brought in the big Spider-Man.
Like that's like, I don't know whether they, they are awesome.
They are. I was a hater at first until I
started playing against him and they give the aux so much flavor
so much flavor and they're actually fantastic models.
And they're so found fun to play against because you get this
idea even though Those photos, I sent you.
You can post one up. Is my Empire guys.
Like from eye level looking up at this spider and it is epic.
It is totally Epic Man. The only only way I'm ever going
to play one of those things is I can I just get those ones you
Beast? Well, if you like Kevin has
been, you need have spotted spider calves.
Because yesterday they got poison, you need to have your
doom divers because they are just yeah, you can you do but
your arms but it was basically To play Bank back and 5th
edition. I display, you can do that, what
you did was fine but you need to add more toys.
Yeah. yeah, I know, I'm pumped wagons 40.5 maggots and Yeah,
there's something I've done that's going to cost you $80.
Yeah, we'll see how we go. You know, I'm not a not in the
massive rushes to get lots of stuff to paint up for us anyway.
So I've got a bolt thrower and some walk arches and what kind
of stuff yet. So, and I think some make my yep
from the old world leaves podcast and Jimmy.
Yeah, he's got some nice gesture in the screen for you.
You can use it for Champion. Yeah.
Thanks man. Yeah.
I don't know. I might Yeah.
My diffuser was just like little side character, put on the side
of the board's like to cheer people on or use.
The squeeze is like one of the caves wigs and use the gesture
as like a pretty cool. Like a familiar familiar to an
orc orc Wizard or something like that, something like that.
Yeah. Oh another thing to maybe, you
know about this but in the in this Renaissance rules for the
one magic is handed a little bit differently for my fourth
edition. You know your Caster would have
to make that wire test in both phases.
Okay, well it's the same in this Edition as well but you know,
you would have to make a dice roll and your level to it.
Yeah. And if that number was more than
that, Than the, the amount of Auburn units around you, at
least 10 strong from aux, and, 20-strong.
From the Goblins, you would pass the test and everything be okay.
But in this Edition, you roll the dice for all you shamans.
If you roll a one, they can't cast magic.
They can't use, dispel scroll. They can't use any magic items
that basically screwed. Then you've got to roll it, a
toughness test. And if you roll over your
toughness, you suffer a wound. And in addition to that, if
there are units of 12 or more strong log mobile units within
12, I don't know about that. I think all the armies of all
the armies were hindered by silliness its York's Yeah, and
that this got he said Give an example like drinking all the
additions. Old always have these built-in
floors, all the way through, all right.
And then finally by a tradition, they managed to get it to a
fairly reasonable point. Where also could be more
manageable and they became Fierce.
Like they literally became the feared Army that they should be
by Big Blocks of oxwas. God damn scary.
Like you would literally shit yourself seeing a Huge in a
Savage York's coming at you because there's nothing really
was going to stop them. And I think I think the the
terror walks needs to be, I don't know.
They, they overcomplicated the silliness mechanic of them, and
I think the animosity should be dealt better.
Yeah. Because you think about it.
Yeah. Chaos has no MM built problems.
Right, chaos, Warriors, chaos, War, rodders, chaos, all across
the board, really don't have anything in build bad about him.
Same with High Elves. Same with even Empire, they
don't have anything that actually will jolt their army
and actually staggered the way. They actually come at you.
All right. Now aux do yet.
They're not as powerful as say an elf and a chaos Warrior.
So what an AUX get penalized for being an awk and if they do get
penalized, they should be appropriately costed for being
penalized. So there should be slightly
cheaper. Therefore, there's going to be
more of them but that never quite happened because they're
be costing mechanic stay the same across their entire
Miniatures and care across the entire armies.
So the point costing of an org is actually slightly more than a
human because of their High toughness.
But theoretically the cost even talk should actually be on par
with a human, which is that 75 points for human, should
actually be on par with a human, if not a little bit less because
you have built-in deficiencies. I don't know, maybe I'm thinking
too deep. Well.
Now, do you can't what? Yeah, yep.
And then, you know, if you take as able slaughterer, you know,
nothing suffers animosity within 18 inches of him and you've got
Banners, To clil animosity. You've got obviously the
Blackhawks as well. So it's running all OG list, you
just add a walk Blackhawk boss in it and then you've just
mitigated all the animosity checks and that kind of thing.
But yeah, no, I take your point. You know, it's just one of those
things. Yeah.
And having said that, like, we Fair Is able to take an all,
come your way through to the Masters.
So it very much comes in and then he ran what we used to call
the orc gun line. So there was basically I think
for crossbow, like heavy heavy bolt throwers in his army, you
know, you got Doom divers in his army, you've got catapults in
his army and basically even though the completely random and
very hard to hit, when they start hitting things and picking
things off, that makes a big difference.
When the, when the big bad, Boys suck come into play.
There's nothing scarier than nothing scarier than a
Blackhawk, you no charge. Yeah.
If every time I plan a bloody black or and run away, they
always run away. The horse fell there, the
creative Community, it'd be fun. It's always the answer and this
in this Edition. It's not, that's good.
Fun. And I like some of the, I like a
really do likes. What?
He's done with some of the magic items like the Rune Fang is
nowhere near as bad as it used to be and it doesn't cost as
much. And it's, you know, for me,
that's, it's, as it should be, you know, sort of hundred-point
item. Where's, it's now, one thing is
70 point item. Future Point item.
Remember anyway, I can't wait down a couple of games, and
we'll have another conversation about it.
Yeah, definitely can't tonight and mate on that note, I think
we'll end our wonderful interview today, has been
wonderful to talk to you and I hope you guys can get in it.
Obviously, you get back on your feet and get healthy again and
stuff. Yeah.
Some games and get some feed by Willa and back to Boulder over
in Denmark and hopefully get your crew down.
Yeah, the nice. And that's the football team
when Legion the might think themselves.
Okay, put it in the manifesto in a minute.
No, no, I created Wet suits and stuff.
And it's been really interesting to hear about about your
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