1 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:11,680 OK, everybody, welcome back to the Chronic Command podcast. 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:13,680 This is Joshua Host. But of course, I've got a very 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:15,680 special guest and that's Mel, the Terrain Tudor. 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:17,920 Mel, how you going? I'm doing well, mate. 5 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,240 How are you? Very good. 6 00:00:19,240 --> 00:00:22,240 I'm really just really glad that you've that you decided to come 7 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:25,840 on to the chronic command mate. It's I've been a, as we talked 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,680 off air, I've been a big fan of your YouTube channel. 9 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,720 I've been following you for quite a long time and I really 10 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:37,120 wanted to bring you on to get the community to listen to your 11 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,280 story as to how you actually got into a like war gaming, you know 12 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,440 miniatures and of course your terrain making hobby. 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,160 So mate, let's let's go back in time, let's go back in the 14 00:00:48,160 --> 00:00:50,640 TARDIS and go back to where it all started mate. 15 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:52,640 So how did you actually? Get into We're going to need a 16 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,280 TARDIS for that. We're going back to the time of 17 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,880 the dinosaurs I see where the where the story of the living La 18 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:03,200 Vida loca started, right. I've been asked this question a 19 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,760 few times and so I've got sort of like I've got quite prepared 20 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,520 and well versed at actually giving the, you know, the answer 21 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:17,240 and my my journey in war gaming. Yeah, I sort of the reason I'm 22 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,920 such a terrain maker is I was a terrain maker for about 10 years 23 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,200 before I I discovered war gaming. 24 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:27,200 OK. And the reason being is I I was 25 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,440 son of a single of a single mother and she owned a craft 26 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,720 shop in North Wales. Now being single, obviously 27 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,200 there was no BB sisters or anything like that. 28 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:41,520 So what this meant was that every weekend and every week 29 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,000 through the summer holidays, I basically lived in a craft shop 30 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,320 and, you know, I had some little toy soldiers and, you know, 31 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,320 little plastic army men. And my mum used to have this 32 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,000 watch called a collection of railway merchandise. 33 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,280 So railway scenics, you know, really basic stuff. 34 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,240 Well, she used to get the railway guys come into it and 35 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:02,880 they used to help me make dioramas. 36 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:07,120 So about six or seven I was making wire trees and I was 37 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,080 making things like this and just playing with Airfix models and 38 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:15,520 plastic soldiers. It was only 10 years later, 39 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,880 yeah, that I actually moved. We moved back to England, we 40 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,120 moved into a place called Stoke on Trent, where I live now, and 41 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,840 I discovered White Dwarf and I discovered there was actually a 42 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,200 war game. Yeah, Whereas I'd actually been 43 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,400 making terrain for it for about 10 years. 44 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,600 Amazing. OK, what? 45 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,640 What exactly was the very first thing you you laid, laid eyes 46 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:39,160 on? What what? 47 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:40,800 What issue of White Dwarf was that? 48 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:46,680 It was issue 124. Yeah, it was the one which had 49 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,560 the very first battle report in which was the 24 hour charity 50 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,800 battle for Eagle Pass. Yeah, additionally, it had the 51 00:02:55,320 --> 00:03:03,000 rules for the epic God yeah in 40K and the Eldar Lancing Nights 52 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,400 for 40K, which were really cool. But basically, I found this 53 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:13,400 magazine and I opened it up and I suddenly realised there was so 54 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:19,160 much stuff, yeah, I could do. And you know, we're talking my 55 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,200 my first gaming was third edition. 56 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:26,120 Yeah, Fantasy Battle, yeah, Which was the very first box set 57 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,280 that GW did for Fantasy Battle. It was the orcs against the 58 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:32,520 elves, where you have the basic miniatures. 59 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:37,440 And then what you had is you had like these cardboard pictures on 60 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,840 little stands for the larger, like Dragons and stuff like 61 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:45,560 that, like you moved around around the the kit also came 62 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:50,280 with some cardboard buildings in it, and I'd base the buildings, 63 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,520 put the buildings together, I'd base them, flocked them and 64 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,240 everything like that and made them into terrain pieces before 65 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:02,000 I put the miniatures together. Yeah, so that's that must be the 66 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,440 4th edition, high off verse, Goblin said. 67 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:05,760 I think you're referring to, yeah. 68 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,520 Is it 4th edition? Yeah, long time ago. 69 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,440 So many editions. So many editions. 70 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:18,519 Well, that that was basically my first real foray into Warhammer 71 00:04:18,519 --> 00:04:20,079 Fantasy. I bought the 3rd edition book, 72 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:23,480 but wow, it's so it was just so overwhelming. 73 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,120 The rules and that kind of thing was just too complex for me to 74 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,160 get my head around. But the 4th edition set was so 75 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:29,880 much easier. I had all the miniatures, had 76 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,520 the rules of which are more digestible. 77 00:04:32,840 --> 00:04:35,000 And yeah, you, like you said, you've got that terrain, you've 78 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,080 got everything in them. Dice the whole lot. 79 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,320 Yeah, yeah, I do remember. Do you remember War on the 80 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,080 Siege? Yes. 81 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,480 Oh, that was a beautiful book. I actually had the castle. 82 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:48,080 I don't know where it is, but I never threw it out. 83 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,200 But I don't know where it is. And I think it's at the Ex 84 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,440 wives. Yeah, Which is lucky because I'm 85 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:54,600 on good terms with her. So I might read The Attic. 86 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:57,640 She doesn't set light to it. That's good, mate. 87 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,680 Yeah, I actually. No, I'm on really good terms 88 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,520 with my ex. We just we after 25 years, our 89 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,880 lives just went in different directions, but we still remain 90 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,960 really good friends. So it's like as, as a divorced 91 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,080 dad goes, I've got the best of both worlds. 92 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,200 Yeah, mate, No, that's been one of the things about your live 93 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,920 streams and that's where I really sort of found out about 94 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,400 you during the pandemic. You did like daily live streams, 95 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,640 which I would catch in the morning because I'm in Japan. 96 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,200 It's obviously a nine hour difference between you and me, 97 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,560 but I would catch those and watch them and listen to your 98 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:36,160 stories before I went to work. And yeah, you you're quite 99 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,080 candid about, you know, your A, your mental health and your 100 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,040 situation with your, you know, personal life and you would 101 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,840 share all this with your fans that would join you on your live 102 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:49,040 streams and that kind of thing. So you've been quite open about 103 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,840 your whole situation, but you know, the whole roller coaster 104 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,000 of life. To be honest, it was never an 105 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,600 intention to be quite open about life and that sort of stuff. 106 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,840 But because the channel goes on in my life and it is such, yeah, 107 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,080 part of my life and I, you know, with my mental health and with 108 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,120 chaos things, you cannot hide that from a channel. 109 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:10,960 And you know, little bits came out and I just reached the point 110 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,520 where I just tell people, you know, obviously within the 111 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,560 confines and within confines of family information because of 112 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,480 the kids and stuff like that. But you know, it just got to a 113 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,840 bit where it was more of an open book. 114 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:24,840 You know what I mean? Yeah. 115 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:27,240 And so with the rise of the channel stuff, I'm just quite 116 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,360 honest about it, but I'm, I'm trying to do this major focus 117 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,760 thing of, you know, focusing on the terrain and the hobby rather 118 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,680 than, you know, the health and the well-being, so to speak. 119 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:38,160 Yeah, we've had a couple of years. 120 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,800 It's been a bit of a a roller coaster and now I just want to 121 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,400 get and really stuck back into the hobby, if you know what I 122 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,480 mean. Yeah, no, it's been, it's been 123 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,600 great to see you back mate, because I've been really happy 124 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,440 and I think a lot of people who who are sort of get your 125 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,800 delicate dedicated, you know Terraniacs out there really 126 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,960 happy to see you back on and talking and at least doing the 127 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,880 live streams. And then you know you you're 128 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,440 just sitting there building stuff during the week and your 129 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,200 little, I think it's Thursday or Tuesday or Wednesday night or 130 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,840 whatever that you just sort of sit there and put AMDF kit 131 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:09,960 together and you sort of just talk to the guys as you do it 132 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,800 kind of thing. And you know, you've, you know, 133 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,280 you've got quite a lot of people who really appreciate that or 134 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,200 feel that you know the content you give, even if it's just a 135 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,000 live stream, they feel that it's really worth it and it makes 136 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,600 their week and it's just nice that they can listen to you talk 137 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,520 about stuff, you know? Yeah, well, we're on a little 138 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,320 bit of a roller coaster, but we're on the upward bound. 139 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,440 So you know, I've got plenty to come and I've had some watch 140 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,520 some small scale terrain turn up today from TT Combat. 141 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,120 So yeah, my lad's sort of like really like, yeah, we should get 142 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,760 into this drop zone thing. So we're we're sort of like, I'm 143 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,240 sort of buzzed on the terrain thing. 144 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,200 So I'm, I'm in the studio tomorrow, I've got more content 145 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,360 to film so hopefully we're going to be rolling out with proper 146 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:53,920 terrain videos rather soon as well. 147 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,440 So I'm good and upwards. Anyway. 148 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,440 We better get back to this chat about my childhood. 149 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,400 So you you think you start off with 4th edition fantasy? 150 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,800 Did Was Warhammer your true love? 151 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,600 Or was it another game system, either with games, worship or 152 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:12,600 something else? Oh, Warhammer was my true love. 153 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,400 Yeah, it wasn't much for a 40K person. 154 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,080 Yeah. And the reason being was that at 155 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,240 the time, 40K was actually quite small. 156 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,440 You know, it hadn't got to its box sets versions yet. 157 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,280 Yeah. And so you, you know, you could 158 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,520 buy, you know, the the plastic beaking marines. 159 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,720 And I did have them and I did have the 40K book, but we never 160 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:41,520 really played it because it was still 40K was still in its kind 161 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,840 of it. It was still a role play on 162 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,320 table top, if you know what I mean. 163 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,480 The rules were ridiculously complicated, you know, there 164 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,920 were charts for everything. Yeah. 165 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,480 And so it, you know, Fantasy Battle was just a bit easier to 166 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,480 play. But we went full bore into 167 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:02,720 Fantasy Battle. Yeah, it cost me my A levels. 168 00:09:04,680 --> 00:09:07,600 Yeah. I mean, we had two mighty empire 169 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:12,200 sets, me and my mates. Yeah, I I played undead, really 170 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,280 played what you call it. Dwarves and Tosh played elves. 171 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,360 So we basically have the three major three major factions of 172 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:20,720 the old world. Right. 173 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,440 Yeah, and we bought 2 Watch Colour two Mighty Empire sets 174 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,800 with the old Hex tile maps. Oh yeah. 175 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,360 Wow. And the campaign one, Yeah, that 176 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,120 came with like, the campaign rules. 177 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,960 And we put these Isles all together to make a single sort 178 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,360 of island, single continent. Yeah. 179 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:43,200 And we battled over that thing for like 8 months. 180 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,240 Yeah. And we had Man of War as well, 181 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,560 which was the old naval game. Love it? 182 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:52,040 Yeah. Yeah, so all our naval 183 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:55,440 conflicts, yeah, were resolved using man of war. 184 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:58,960 And as I said, I had war. I'm a siege, so all the sieges 185 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,120 of the castles we resolved playing Warhammer Siege, you 186 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,200 know, and I'd made siege towers and ladders out of balsa and 187 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,680 stuff like that. I'd sprayed it. 188 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,640 That was my first discovery. That watch closed spray cans 189 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,160 that actually melt polystyrene because I melted my castle. 190 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,280 It looks more like a Nergal castle. 191 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,840 Well, some sections of it. I don't think you're alone. 192 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,080 Yeah, I don't think you're alone there, mate. 193 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,000 I think I've done. I think I've destroyed things 194 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,520 with a rattle can in my time before starring, yeah. 195 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,280 Oh, yeah. But no. 196 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,000 What do you call it? So we played that, and I pretty 197 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,280 much played that until I was about 18. 198 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,160 And you know, the army came calling along with beer and. 199 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:40,760 And ladies. Yeah. 200 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,320 And I lost interest in war, war, gaming and everything. 201 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:48,560 Completely, Yeah. And then that continued probably 202 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:52,240 for about another eight years till I was in my mid 20s. 203 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:58,240 And I don't know when I'd done this, but when I was in my mid 204 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,240 20s, I was sorting through some, you know, some stuff in the 205 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,640 spare room when I was with Kez and I found this little box. 206 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:12,560 And in this little box was 8 Jean Steelers, the paints to 207 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:16,680 paint them and some paintbrushes just like a little travel 208 00:11:16,680 --> 00:11:21,160 painting kit that I'd obviously put together like a decade ago. 209 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,880 You know what I mean? Like I'll do these at the 210 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,680 girlfriends or something like that. 211 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,080 And I found it. And at the time I, you know, 212 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,120 work was quite stressful and that sort of stuff. 213 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,320 And it just became a distraction. 214 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,040 Yeah. And what started off with eight 215 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,800 Jean Steelers ended up with a Tyranid army where I was running 216 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:45,040 like 6 units of 30 Homicons. It was a beast. 217 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,840 I mean they ended ended up on Bella Lost Souls. 218 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,200 They posted a picture of of my army because I've got that many 219 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,120 models for it. So I just went full bore. 220 00:11:55,560 --> 00:11:59,680 And after Tyranids, I got involved with the local gaming 221 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:02,840 club. Yeah, after Tyranids it became 222 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:07,600 the Imperial God. After that it was Grey Knights. 223 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:13,400 Yeah, so big Delve into 40K from there. 224 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,400 Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a big change because you know, you 225 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,720 your heart was set on Warhammer and you played that well, you 226 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,200 see, and then you went, you dove. 227 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,920 Into going back into Warhammer. But when I considered it, it was 228 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,680 like, there's no way I want to be buying and building units 229 00:12:30,680 --> 00:12:33,600 that have 20 models for an army. Yeah. 230 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,640 So I ended up building units of 32. 231 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:41,520 Models instead you basically built like the equivalent of 232 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,040 Warhammer Army in 40K, but really so. 233 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:48,920 Mate, my approach to building an Imperial Guard army, Yeah, you 234 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,200 know the Imperial Guard layout for it's basic. 235 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,400 You pick one basic troop unit and that's your command squad 236 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,440 and then your two watch glare infantry squads and then you've 237 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:03,080 got all the add-ons. Yeah, the way I approached from 238 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,960 building my 40K army, Yeah, for Imperial Guard was right. 239 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:12,400 That's one troop unit. So I need 5 infantry squads, 5 240 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,720 support squads, 2 watch Collet for one troop choice and I 241 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:21,160 basically the entire platoon choice built the lot. 242 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,720 That's one unit, yeah, and that's what I took for watch 243 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,160 Collet for literally. And then I have a veteran unit 244 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,200 and a commander. So my approach to when I do 245 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,800 armies is I go full ball, doesn't matter whatever, it's 246 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,080 just full ball. I want everything. 247 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,800 I want all the toys. Cool, that's great mate. 248 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,360 And do you still actually have those armies in your collection? 249 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:46,320 I I watch the the two minutes I gave away to a friend. 250 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,320 Yeah, the Imperial Guard. I've still got. 251 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:50,880 I think the watch call it the Grey Nights. 252 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,760 I sold to fund something at some point, As you do. 253 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,200 Yeah, but no. The Imperial Guard. 254 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,760 They're all still on the shelf. Proudly, literally just behind 255 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:01,800 me. Nice. 256 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:07,760 Units and if anyone wants to go see my Imperial Guard, just 257 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:12,400 Google Corbinia Prime Imperial Guard and you'll find my old 258 00:14:12,680 --> 00:14:16,200 blog that I used to write with all the pictures of my Imperial 259 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,400 Guard long before I was the terrain tutor. 260 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:21,480 Wow. OK, we'll we'll definitely need 261 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,680 to get that link into the show notes so people can go and check 262 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,000 that out. I'm I'm interested to see what 263 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:28,760 that looks like too mate. So that sounds great. 264 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,160 But when you go, when you're talking about your Warhammer 265 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:35,920 days in your you know, in your early youth playing 4th edition 266 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,200 with the mighty Empire's mighty empire, sorry, mighty Empire's 267 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,040 castle, the siege book, the man of war. 268 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,400 And then you had the mighty empire set you, you are living 269 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:45,840 the dream. You do realize that, like, 270 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,680 people have just. Esteemed to this my a level too 271 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:53,520 busy daydreaming about the old world, which is why I became a 272 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,440 combat medic. I'm not a doctor. 273 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,640 Yeah, that's that's one of them. I think that's you've achieved 274 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,400 something that many people have never got to to do. 275 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,240 So they're still reaching for that goal. 276 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,800 You know, having all those three things together, combining the 277 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,680 naval warfare with Man of War Man of was such a great game. 278 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,120 And I think we're going to have a bit of a Man of War month next 279 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,920 month on on The Chronicle Man, because I really, really think 280 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,760 it's one of the the true gems of the Specialist game series that 281 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,200 games we should released in the 90s. 282 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:25,320 Two coats. I'd like to. 283 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,040 I'd like to address the Man of War comment. 284 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,960 But just quickly, just before we move on, I'd just like to point 285 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:34,040 out that in my youth my mother used to say, why are you wasting 286 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,240 all your time with these little toy soldiers? 287 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,640 You'll never make a living with anything like with these. 288 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,480 Yeah, something which I reminded her of when I showed her my 289 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,440 100,000 YouTube Silver play button. 290 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,600 Soon to be 200,000, I think. Do you get, do you get the life 291 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,960 of 200,000? Yeah, I'm not far off. 292 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,760 I I don't actually track the number. 293 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,840 I don't look at the numbers. Yeah, but I believe I'm not far 294 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,280 off. My daughter keeps telling me 295 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,680 that I'm probably just a couple of months away. 296 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,840 Yeah. So we'll see where she'll let me 297 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,000 know when we're getting close and I have to do a special 298 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:12,360 watch. Got it right. 299 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,560 The juicy stuff for Man of War. Do you know The Dirty story 300 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,080 about Man of War? What's that, mate? 301 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,240 Tell me. Like I said, that it was ripped 302 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,840 off from a French company. Oh really? 303 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:23,880 Yeah, yeah, that's why it disappeared. 304 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,480 And there's never any mention of it in any of the white dwarfs 305 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:27,200 since. Oh, wow. 306 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,240 OK, please. Yeah, basically. 307 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:34,680 I mean literally the entire rules were basically picked up. 308 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,200 It wasn't even oh we like that they basically just mirrored 309 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,640 this French naval company game. They, I think you they've got 310 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,040 some sort of like because it was a naval game, they've got some 311 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,040 sort of third party designer in to consult. 312 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:50,040 When this guy had just gone to this French game, they thought 313 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,280 they'll never figure this out and took it. 314 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,280 Yeah. And the reason why GW lost Man 315 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:00,280 of War got disappeared, It's because the French company hit 316 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,160 him with the ban hammer. Oh, wow. 317 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,520 OK. Yeah, that's why. 318 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,800 That's why with all the re releases of the specialist games 319 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,119 and everything like that, there's no mention of Man of 320 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,200 War. Yeah, that's why whenever the, 321 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,680 you know, it's like 20 years of Warhammer or you know, 30 years 322 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,319 of White Dwarf and they do one of those Look back articles, 323 00:17:23,599 --> 00:17:27,200 they never have it in. Yeah, I was there in the shop 324 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,960 when the watch call it when the order came through to take it 325 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:34,400 off the shelves. Yeah, so there's the, there's 326 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,280 there's GW's dirty Bad Hammer story for you. 327 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,040 And they've been a dinosaur at times, isn't it? 328 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,440 Yeah, well, that's very interesting. 329 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,240 I've never heard anybody mention that and that's great that you 330 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,640 brought that to light. I I wish to send my praise to 331 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,200 the French company who designed those rules. 332 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,440 They're absolutely amazing. I think it was. 333 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,520 A good rule set, wasn't it? It was, yeah. 334 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,120 Because I'm not into naval war gaming. 335 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,160 Naval war gaming just puts me to sleep. 336 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,480 But Man of War has something really special about it that. 337 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:04,120 Well, I mean, GW definitely put their own spin on it with the 338 00:18:04,120 --> 00:18:07,120 magic and that sort of stuff, and the ships were brilliant. 339 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,800 Yeah, yeah. You know, because obviously I 340 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,440 played what's called I played undead. 341 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,080 So I had the Necro fleet, you know what I mean? 342 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:16,960 Was there a Necro fleet out though? 343 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,960 But did they? Yeah, the Wharf wasn't there. 344 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:21,000 I'm damn sure. Fine. 345 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,120 I'm going to check. Yeah, the journal had the 346 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:25,640 Journal had the Undead Fleet rules, but I don't know if they 347 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,120 actually had any models or where there was a special mail order 348 00:18:28,120 --> 00:18:29,200 release. I'm not sure. 349 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,200 Possibly. But anyhow, I'm sure the credit 350 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,320 command community can tell me more about that. 351 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,520 I know people, people I. Need to know. 352 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's see how you did it, mate, 353 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,320 because maybe there was like a very limited release of them at 354 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,880 that stage and they just did it for a short time through mail 355 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:51,920 order and they just never were an official. 356 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,600 Oh, I don't know. I honestly don't know now. 357 00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:58,480 Right, interesting. I've always wanted. 358 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,760 No, no, there was. I'm looking at it. 359 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,440 I'm right there was. There was a watch, a realm in 360 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,240 the realms of chaos. Yeah. 361 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:09,960 Yeah, the Black Arth of Nagareth. 362 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,080 Yeah, I'm right. There was an undead ship. 363 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:16,600 I know I'm getting old, dude, but. 364 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,520 Oh, that's a dark. That's a Dark Elf ship, the 365 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:23,720 Black Black Ark. Oh, in which case, I used to I I 366 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:27,000 I got it and I painted it up for what you call it my. 367 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:28,440 That's what it is. But. 368 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,280 That's what you did, right? OK. 369 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:31,400 That's fair. That's. 370 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:32,160 Cool. That's cool. 371 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,160 That's a good one. I just remember having a ship 372 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,800 with a skull on it. Right, OK, now that that, that's 373 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,880 a that's a really good alternative actually, yeah, just 374 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,280 turning the Dark Elves into an undead fleet and you just make 375 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,320 your own ships if you wanted to and just make your own 376 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,040 templates, but. Well, not just that, it's got 377 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,120 towers on it, which is very much Dracula like, aren't they? 378 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:50,560 They are, yeah. Now that's. 379 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,080 Good. So it's an easy it was, you 380 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,560 know, I can remember it went in well. 381 00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:57,720 Yes, it would have would have worked really well actually. 382 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,440 Now you think about it, it's. It just, it looks, yeah, you can 383 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,200 make that, you know, sort of floating necropolis or whatever. 384 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:05,280 You know what I mean? Like it's. 385 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,400 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it can be whatever you 386 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:08,640 want it to be. That's cool. 387 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,200 That's excellent, mate. That's wonderful. 388 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:12,560 But no, it it was a wonderful campaign. 389 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,520 Yeah, absolutely wonderful. But I do love campaigns. 390 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,360 I actually wrote a blog on that called Going On Campaign as 391 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:22,560 well, which was a a load of campaign rules. 392 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,480 Think Warren at, what do you call it, a beast of war. 393 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,680 I think I passed it over to him and they put it up on their 394 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:33,240 site, right? You know, I I'm really big into 395 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:40,400 the place in war gaming. So whilst we play war games, 396 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,760 it's not just about the terrain, it's about the setting. 397 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:50,760 For me, it's like, you know, the reason I like the terrain so 398 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,000 much and creating the setting is because I like campaign play as 399 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,560 well. So the places have meaning to 400 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,600 me. They're not just a random 401 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,640 collection of knife painted terrain. 402 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,400 It's this village or this facility and I don't know when 403 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,280 me and my mates are going to be coming back to this facility to 404 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,600 fight over it, if you know what I mean. 405 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,760 Yeah. And so that's why I'm big into 406 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,840 the terrain. And and you know what I mean? 407 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,680 It's sort of like having these scenes set up, yeah, because 408 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,440 that's my style of play. I mean the idea of playing a A1 409 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:30,120 off game which has, you know, no meaning and no consequence don't 410 00:21:30,120 --> 00:21:32,360 actually find that fun at all, to be perfectly honest. 411 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,960 Yeah, now I can. I can. 412 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,400 I can relate to that. I think now that now I've come 413 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:42,760 back into like the the hobby, I really enjoy the narrative forms 414 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:45,640 of gameplay. I really was just turned off by 415 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,800 like tournament play and I really like narrative and just 416 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,520 building up a story or having linked scenarios and that kind 417 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,320 of thing. I think that's far more 418 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,880 interesting than just a one off game nowadays personally. 419 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,040 So that's good mate. So that's great. 420 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,560 Now, did you ever get to play the wonderful, epic Space Marine 421 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:04,840 back in the day? Yes I did. 422 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:10,280 I ate, held our grav tanks. Still ate them to this day where 423 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,840 they used to pop up behind those buildings, take a shot and then 424 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:18,240 pop back the cheeky. Gits, I'm sure you well. 425 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,640 I'd always have to have my watch club, my reavers with the 426 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,160 Gatling cannons are on ready in case they popped up. 427 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,720 You know what I mean? Was it ready or was it? 428 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,520 It was Overwatch, wasn't it? Like a first fight, first fight. 429 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,600 Yeah, yeah. So when when Tosh played Alba, 430 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,040 yeah, obviously with it being Ells, you know what I mean? 431 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,560 Yeah, really had squats. So we had a we had one of those 432 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,400 little squat land trains running around the table and that sort 433 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,200 of stuff. And that thing was just chaos, 434 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:49,120 Yeah. And all I can remember was Tosh 435 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:52,920 constantly running his Eldar Titans everywhere to Max out 436 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,800 their hollow, hollow Shields. Because if they stopped, they 437 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,880 were dead. Yep, that's right. 438 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,640 We. Used to play for money. 439 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,520 We spent Fivers on games. Yeah, because you know what I 440 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,200 mean. That's classic. 441 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,160 I've never, I've never heard of anybody betting on a game 442 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,160 that's, that's. Oh, it makes it competitive. 443 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,160 I bet. Trust me, it makes it 444 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,320 competitive. You know, it was small games, 445 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,160 Titans only when we bet. And so you're not messing around 446 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:21,640 and it's quick, you know what I mean? 447 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,560 Because with the small units, there's a lot of messing around, 448 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,760 but when you're playing just Titans, yeah, it's actually 449 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,960 quite a quick game. Yeah. 450 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:34,520 So we used to play small table, yeah thing with 1000 points, 5A 451 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:36,840 down each. Bang. 452 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,600 In you go and you. I'll tell you what, that gets 453 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:43,080 interesting. Really Always used to get gutted 454 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,800 because there were no squat Titans. 455 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,720 Yeah, there weren't oh, I think I think Netibek sort of resolved 456 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,360 that and gave them like template hit location sheets and that 457 00:23:54,360 --> 00:23:57,240 kind of thing. But yeah, in specifics actually 458 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,880 have. Titans themselves. 459 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,880 So it was always my, my, my, my Imperial against Toshi's. 460 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,400 Watch for Aldo. Right. 461 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:06,760 Nice. OK, great. 462 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:09,760 Yeah, I do. Like, I do love it. 463 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,960 And it's one of the games, one of the rare games where I feel 464 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,640 like I'm really playing a war game and that it creates its own 465 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,440 kind of story or something, maybe. 466 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,080 I don't know. But I just feel like. 467 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,400 You feel more like a general with Epic, don't you? 468 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:24,720 Yeah, I feel that way. You know what? 469 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,960 I mean like you're actually commanding an army because 470 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,200 you've got no real. I mean with 40K and stuff like 471 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:36,200 that, yeah, 28 mil up to 35 or 36 or whatever they decide it is 472 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:42,560 today. Yeah, you can still sort of sort 473 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,200 of emphasise with the troops, if you know what I mean. 474 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,240 You can still see a yeah, but the moment you get sort of like 475 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:53,520 6 mil and those sort of scales, they just become arbitrary units 476 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,160 of men. You know what I mean? 477 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,000 To throw into the into the meat grinder, which is very general, 478 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,840 like, you know, you can't even see their faces. 479 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:07,680 And I like that. Yeah, you know, so I do have, 480 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:09,640 well, like I said, watch Clit at the start of the show, Watch 481 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,400 Clit. We were talking with TT Combat 482 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,800 because among the people on my channel, they've been really 483 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,920 interested in me doing some small scale train. 484 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:19,280 I've got some. I've got this idea for a board 485 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,520 that I might pick up later in the year. 486 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,440 Yeah, but they sent me the drop zone commander, which is epic 487 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:27,880 scale. And I've just been looking at 488 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,960 them and it's very much a flashback to those days. 489 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,680 I've been like the the general in chief. 490 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,840 Right. OK, that's awesome. 491 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,160 I know, I know people in the comments have been in in my like 492 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,440 me myself has been interested in see what what you're going to do 493 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,240 with your epic scale terrain, as it's sort of a popular very 494 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,480 popular genre and scale within the war gaming community. 495 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,240 So yeah, it'd be interested to see what you do mate with that. 496 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,000 Oh, well, I've got a plan. Yeah. 497 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,880 I'm going to make an epic board. That's epic. 498 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:58,720 Oh. That's awesome. 499 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,200 OK, that's great. So. 500 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,800 I mean, I've had a word with TT and that sort of stuff and 501 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,680 they're like, yeah, we'll, we'll support that. 502 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,280 So they're up for it. Plus Watchcullet, they're on 503 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,920 about hopefully coming on and doing an interview a bit like 504 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,160 this with me. So fingers crossed, you know, I 505 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,960 can, I can get Watchclub a bit of a interesting content of it, 506 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,360 but I'm messing with all sorts of stuff. 507 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,840 Anyway, back to to to our childhood and games. 508 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,160 What else did you play back then? 509 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,720 What else was there? Games Workshop, yeah. 510 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,880 What can you think of that you played back then in those days? 511 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,560 Were you into historical gaming? No, didn't touch historical 512 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:42,960 gaming till much later in life. Yeah, probably 10 years later 513 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,720 until my mid 30s. I got into Watchwit. 514 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,840 So the story was did sort of war on fantasy through, you know, my 515 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:57,880 teens and that sort of stuff played what you call it 40K for 516 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,600 about 8 years. Yeah, until sort of like well, 517 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,120 probably about six years until like early 30s. 518 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,920 Then life got a bit chaotic and that sort of stuff. 519 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,280 And I had to put war gaming aside and then when it was time 520 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,720 to pick it back up again, I actually found 40K. 521 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:19,920 Just too much of a headache. Yeah, it just gone. 522 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:24,440 So I couldn't get back into 40K. Yeah, I tried. 523 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:30,720 But there was just so much to learn and know that I found I I 524 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,000 was walking away from games with a migraine. 525 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:38,520 Do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, just from so many 526 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,480 rule books. Open the learning curve. 527 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,360 Then a friend of mine invited me to go watch, go with him to a 528 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:46,600 mate's house and play Bolt action. 529 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,120 Yeah. Which is obviously 1940K. 530 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,160 Yes. And. 531 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,080 Yeah. We are, we are. 532 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,720 I had a game of that and it was just, it played so easy, you 533 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,720 know. And secondly, you know with me 534 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,160 having served, you know, I've got sort of an affinity with the 535 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,840 British Army. Yeah. 536 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,560 And so, so the units and that sort of stuff, you know, it was 537 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:15,800 opened up a whole new world. So my later gaming phase was 538 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:21,560 very much bolt action phase going into the troops in Burma 539 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,360 and the Chindits and that sort of stuff. 540 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,640 Yeah, but I'm getting back into the more than 40K stuff now, but 541 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,440 in sort of a sort of a low level skirmish. 542 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,680 I'm interested in Kill Team and that sort of stuff, so a little 543 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,360 less strenuous on on the grey matter, if you know what I mean, 544 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,880 in the paintings. Yeah, for sure, mate, yeah. 545 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,520 I I hope you can get back into playing some epic as well, 546 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,680 because it's an easy system. In terms of like, the rules are 547 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,280 quite simple, they're not so complex, but then it's just like 548 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,600 the individual units and what they can do. 549 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,120 And you know, if they have any special rules, that's where it 550 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,120 gets a bit more, little, a bit more crunchier. 551 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,480 But the actual rules themselves are really quite simple and easy 552 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,360 to play. So I hope you can get back into 553 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,000 that too, mate, at some point. Yeah, that'd be good. 554 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,080 That'd be good. Thing is, I mean that's I've got 555 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,120 plenty of years in me yet mate. Absolutely you. 556 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,760 Know what I mean? That's the joy of doing a hobby 557 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,560 for your living. Yeah. 558 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,880 Every day is a vacation. Yep. 559 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,400 Yeah, I'm already written by it and I'm happily working through 560 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,600 my retirement. Yep, that's right, mate. 561 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,040 That's wonderful. Yeah. 562 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,600 OK, Well, before we get on to the the YouTube channel in your, 563 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:37,440 in your book that you released with Dave Talent, Dave Taylor a 564 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,400 few years back, we're just going to take a quick short ad break 565 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,720 and we'll come back in just a moment to talk more about that. 566 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:47,000 So bear with us. 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Mel mate, you you started up a 595 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,720 YouTube channel which is like we talked about before has grown 596 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,200 and grown and grown over the years with I don't know how many 597 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:47,560 videos you have a 731 videos on your channel which is just 598 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,440 staggering mate. How, how did all this How does 599 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,120 all this begin? Because we know about your war 600 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,760 game in history and how you got into war games and you you found 601 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,520 your love and passion for Warhammer and 40K later. 602 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,000 How did this all begin, mate? It was. 603 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,960 It began with a breakdown. Quite simply. 604 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,080 I'd had enough of life, you know, reach one of those points 605 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,160 where, you know, life and everything, complete breakdown, 606 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,880 medicated all that sort of stuff. 607 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,200 And I wasn't doing anything and I couldn't do anything, you 608 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,320 know. And I was proper rotting on on 609 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,040 the sofa, you know. And my wife just said, come 610 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,160 along, just do something, anything, you know, you know, 611 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,400 you're not my Mel like this. You always do, you know, You 612 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,760 always should do your hobby. Yeah. 613 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:33,160 And I'd always just prior, yeah, just prior to to fall falling, 614 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,800 I'll what do you call it. On my Kalbenia Prime, I'd 615 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,400 actually made some terrain videos. 616 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,920 Yeah. I'd tried YouTube and I'd put a 617 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,560 video out and you can actually find my old channel. 618 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,000 It's called Kalbenia Prime. Yeah. 619 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,440 With my very first terrain videos made in my kitchen. 620 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,520 Yeah, literally 10 years before I started the Terrain tuner. 621 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,480 Yeah, I was putting, but I only put 2 videos on and I didn't 622 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,440 even complete the project. But I'd sort of with this hobby, 623 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,840 like, oh, well, I'd had this idea of getting, you know, 624 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,960 getting back into it and like, you know, I'll do this YouTube 625 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,520 thing. And so I did. 626 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,040 And I just started this little channel because I'd got this 627 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,000 idea that I wanted to teach terrain. 628 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,040 You know what I mean? Because I like showing people 629 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,800 and, you know, I've got a background in teaching. 630 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,400 I spent a couple of years teaching in colleges. 631 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,480 Yeah. So it's something I enjoy. 632 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,160 And you know I just put this little channeled together and it 633 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,600 literally was just for me to connect and do something and put 634 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,120 some content. Basically I was, I was just 635 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,000 showing off my hobby. And what happened was as I was 636 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,200 doing little tutorials and people were finding them 637 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:46,000 helpful, I found that that made me feel better. 638 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,880 It made me feel like I had worth and that sort of stuff. 639 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,480 Yeah. So it just, you know, and The 640 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,160 thing is, it was never considered a living or I never 641 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,160 expected a living. But because of my illness, Yeah, 642 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,320 we were in sort of a position where we were sort of like, 643 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,640 financially supported. So there was no pressure, you 644 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,560 know, No one was expecting me to be able to go out and get a job. 645 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,800 Yeah. So it was OK for me to sort of 646 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,320 say, all right, well, I'll put my time into this. 647 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,239 And my doctor and the mental health nurse was like, yeah, put 648 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,199 your time into that. So it's like I felt like I could 649 00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:21,239 without, you know, cheating the system and that sort of stuff 650 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,280 and taking the Mick, you know, because it was helping me to get 651 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,480 better. And I started off with a couple 652 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,960 of other, you know, joined the like small little group of other 653 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,400 little Youtubers. We all had like, you know, less 654 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,480 than 100 subscribers. Yeah. 655 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,480 And within six months I'd hit 1000 subscribers. 656 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,199 Yeah, which. And we were all sort of ticking 657 00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,480 along roughly about the same sort of pace, about five of us. 658 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:49,639 And then it took me a month to get my next 1000 subscribers. 659 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:56,440 And then it grew and it grew and it grew and it didn't stop. 660 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,720 And I don't know why. I still don't know to this day 661 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:05,000 why 190,000 people would consider the stuff I put on 662 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,920 YouTube worth following. Yeah, honestly. 663 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,920 But here I am. So here I'm cracking on because 664 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,360 the way I see it is, if that many people think it's useful, 665 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:19,200 well, I might as well make myself useful then. 666 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:25,160 And glad. What else am I going to do? 667 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,040 Go back and shuffle Paperwork? No, I'll help people with the 668 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,680 hobby. If that's when this little life 669 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,320 of adventure is taking me. And it's been a roller coaster. 670 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:34,600 There's been no doubt about that. 671 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,600 But that's the story of my life. To be perfectly honest, I 672 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:39,000 wouldn't expect it any other way. 673 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,800 In fact, if it was plain sailing, I'd be extremely 674 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,720 concerned. So, you know, the fact is, I'm 675 00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:48,080 still here. I'm still doing it. 676 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,640 People still love me doing it. So I'm enjoying it. 677 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,000 Crack on. That's awesome, mate. 678 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,600 Yeah. There's such an enormous wealth 679 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,520 of knowledge encapsulated in those videos that yeah, I would 680 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,480 recommend to anybody if, if you haven't seen Mel's YouTube 681 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,200 channel, go in there. Because, you know, as part of 682 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,240 the chronic command, we're all into the old school terrain 683 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,960 making and that's what Mel does. That's why I was attracted to 684 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,560 your channel. You you did it the old way that 685 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,680 was featured in those White Dwarf modeling workshop articles 686 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:21,320 with Adrian Wilde, I think was the and Dave Andrews and you 687 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,600 know, Phil Lewis, all those guys who made all that beautiful 688 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,520 terrain well. You know, Dave Andrews is a mate 689 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,520 of mine. Oh, OK, well, that's that's 690 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:29,400 awesome. I I love. 691 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,400 Dave, you know what it's like having the head of the terrain 692 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,480 direct design studio Games Workshop hit you up and say, 693 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,720 hey, I'm a big fan. Oh, that's brilliant. 694 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:38,680 That's excellent. Well, that's. 695 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,920 The old, the 15 year old war, I'm a player was like I used to, 696 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,560 you know, his, his diorama is in White Dwarf was one of the 697 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,600 things that inspired me. You know what he did. 698 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,040 What Dave doesn't know is I have this sort of thing that when I'm 699 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,040 really sort of lost and down with my mental health, I go to 700 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,840 Warhammer World to look at the dioramas. 701 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,520 And there's one diorama that I go specifically to look at 702 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,200 because it's there. And it's one of the ones that I 703 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:10,160 remember from my childhood and it's made by Dave, you know, so 704 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,960 literally, you know, his work inspires me. 705 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,760 And isn't it a fan of me? It's, it's crazy. 706 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,520 I told you my life is not normal mate. 707 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,920 No, he's a he's an absolute. He's he's one of the all 708 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,280 rounders I had to call an all rounder. 709 00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,080 Oh mate, he's great, absolutely great. 710 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,640 He's an illustrator. Mark Bedford's another one, 711 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,520 another train guy to be honest. Yeah. 712 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,320 What I want to do is, and I want, need to get myself bet 713 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,960 because I had a bit of a relationship with Games Workshop 714 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,360 just before the Pandemic. And then with the Pandemic and 715 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,920 my sort of personal life, you know, I, I the, the channel 716 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,120 dropped and I did, you know, I lost that connection. 717 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,960 So I've still got the connection with the people. 718 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,920 I just don't have the formal connection with the company. 719 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,280 You know, I'm not part of the war. 720 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,440 I'm a community team anymore. Yeah. 721 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,440 Because I didn't keep it up. All that sort of stuff. 722 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,600 Yeah. And new people have come in and 723 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,440 taken it over. Yeah. 724 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,760 So once the channel's up and running, what I want to do. 725 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,320 Yeah. Is still rebuild that 726 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,840 connection. Then I want to get the old 727 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,600 terrain builders from GW and actually interview them about 728 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,440 terrain. You know what I mean? 729 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:16,000 Because no one ever does. No one's, you know, they, they 730 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,600 talk with the sculptors and the painters and this sort of stuff 731 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,840 and the game designers, but the terrain makers is the one guys 732 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,800 they always miss out. Yeah. 733 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,160 So I want to go up and like, you know, get them all in a round 734 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,160 Robin and talk about, you know, behind the scenery of terrain at 735 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,280 Gene. You know what it's like making 736 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,440 those epic displays and that sort of stuff. 737 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,040 But I've got to get in with them first because I've got to get 738 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,080 like approval from like corporate. 739 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,720 Right. Yeah, I'll, I'll be fascinated 740 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:49,240 to hear, especially from Dave Andrews who was there really 741 00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:52,200 from the start, you know, like early like late 80s, maybe mid 742 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,720 80s. Oh yeah, yeah, he was, mate. 743 00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:56,880 He was one of the early duels, you know, part of the original 744 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,680 gang. Yeah. 745 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,280 So it'd be a fascinating video. I mean, I always love going down 746 00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,680 because I when I go down, I'll message him and just say, look, 747 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,120 if you're if you're around for coffee, you know, and 748 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,640 occasionally they are and sometimes you know, they're not, 749 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,800 you know, I'm not saying they all flock to me or that sort of 750 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:12,760 stuff. But if they are, they'll come 751 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,600 say hello and that sort of stuff, you know? 752 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,640 And I love sitting down with Dave and just having a coffee 753 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,320 with him and just talk about, you know what I mean, what he's 754 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,440 working on and that sort of stuff. 755 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,800 Yeah, that's brilliant. And he's still, yeah, he's still 756 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,760 actively involved. Oh. 757 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:28,480 He's going nowhere, mate. Yeah. 758 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,920 He terrain, You know what I mean. 759 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,520 Yeah, that's awesome. So that'd be, that'd be really 760 00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,080 interesting. So you can, yeah, like I said, 761 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,120 we've got, you've got a massive following on your YouTube 762 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,840 channel and I think and as I said before, people should go 763 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,640 and check it out if you like the old school style of terrain 764 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:49,840 using like, you know Jaber's flock and PVA and you know foam 765 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,280 and all this kind of stuff, Mel does everything. 766 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,480 He shows you how to make rivers, roads, you know, You name it. 767 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,520 I think you've done it, mate. I think you've you've you've 768 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,280 sort of. It's not the end. 769 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,720 You haven't exhausted stuff. But yeah, you've you've covered 770 00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:03,040 a lot of stuff, you know what I mean? 771 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,000 Oh yeah, yeah. I've covered a lot of stuff, but 772 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,960 there's still tons today. Oh yeah, absolutely. 773 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,920 Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Now at some point in Along this 774 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,440 Road during your YouTube channel life, you were approached by 775 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,000 Dave Taylor, I I would assume to make a book about terrain mate, 776 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,200 yeah? Do you want to hear the story? 777 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,800 I would like to hear the story. OK, yeah, I'm covering Salute. 778 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,200 OK, yeah. So some of it's big war game 779 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,200 show down in London. Yeah. 780 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,120 Now I've gone down gone down with my mate and we we booked 781 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,960 into the hotel to Sin. Yeah. 782 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,120 Now the hotel to Sin is the next to the convention centre. 783 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,760 There's obviously hotels. You know for people attending 784 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,280 conventions. It's called the Hotel to Sin 785 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,720 because all the traders come down and set up a sort of or 786 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:57,040 come down the night before and they all stay in this one hotel, 787 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,960 which basically means in the evening before before, salute. 788 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,240 Basically the entire industry or a good chunk of the industry is 789 00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:09,080 in the bar getting drunk. OK yeah. 790 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,360 So I wander down with my mate and I walk into the bar and 791 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,240 immediately across the entire bar I can see faces at the 792 00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:16,840 various tables that are recognised. 793 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,840 So I just basically shout, has anyone got a spare seat for a 794 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,680 for a YouTube. Yeah. 795 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,520 And Dave Taylor waves. Yeah. 796 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,960 Pulls open this chair. Yeah. 797 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,800 So I'll go up to him, sits down, says what you drinking? 798 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,280 So vodka. Make it a gun. 799 00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,600 Yeah. So anyway, yeah, Dave goes get a 800 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,840 vodka. Now The thing is I already sort 801 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:42,120 of knew Dave because as you know, Dave is. 802 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,120 And he, Dave does his own 40K blog. 803 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,920 Yeah. And he did these blood pack 804 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,880 models. Yeah. 805 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,760 Well, at the time, back when he was doing his his blood pack 806 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,400 guard, that was the time I was doing my Imperial Guard and 807 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,000 blogging about it. And we used to connect a lot on 808 00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,760 Blogger. Yeah, to the extent that my 809 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:10,440 ex-wife helped design his blood guard tattoo that he's. 810 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,920 Got. OK. 811 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,320 So I we, I'd already sort of had a relationship with Dave long 812 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,480 ago before I became the terrain tutor as sort of like just 813 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,080 hobbyists. And back then he was the amazing 814 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,320 Dave Taylor and I was just the hobbyist. 28 days. 815 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,160 He gets me a vodka. Yeah. 816 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:33,560 And we chat and we have more vodkas and more vodkas and I get 817 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,040 absolutely wasted. He gets me drunk as hell. 818 00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,880 Yeah. Anyway, I wake up next morning, 819 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,120 Hangover Hotel, ready to go down for a survivor's breakfast and 820 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,160 get, you know, get myself squared away, ready for do a day 821 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,640 of filming and walk 14 miles round. 822 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:50,720 Salute. Like normal. 823 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,480 Yeah. And my mate goes, do you know, 824 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,240 you agreed to do a book last night? 825 00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:00,120 And I went dinner? Yeah. 826 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,640 He says, yeah, Dave, you agreed with Dave. 827 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,560 You're going to do a book because Dave had already done 828 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:10,000 his book by that point, Yeah. And I thought, I'd love to do a 829 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,240 book. So the first thing I did when I 830 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,520 got into Salute was find Dave Saylor, find out if he did offer 831 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:17,040 to do a book with me. Yeah. 832 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,840 And agreed, yeah, we're up for that. 833 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,000 And that's where the story of what you call it. 834 00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:27,480 And then literally, yeah, the next day Dave caught a train 835 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,960 from London up to Stoke to come see me. 836 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,840 Yeah, in my studio and everything. 837 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,960 So we could talk about the book. And I think I drove him over to 838 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,720 Nottingham to where he was supposed to go to, Yeah, but 839 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,640 basically the Friday night for Salute, I met with Dave. 840 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,160 He got me drunk the Sunday after Salute. 841 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,840 He was in Stoke. We agreed we're doing a book 842 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,640 before he before he even headed back over to the States. 843 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:57,200 Yeah, and hey presto, yeah, that's how that adventure 844 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,600 started. With a vodka. 845 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,760 Bloody hell, mate. Now what a what a what a great 846 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,040 story. I didn't know about that. 847 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,240 That's excellent. So. 848 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:05,640 I told you, everything's chaotic. 849 00:44:07,240 --> 00:44:09,560 Thanks to some vodkas with Dave Taylor at. 850 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:10,560 Salute. You got me drunk. 851 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,280 And then so my. Warning is, yeah, if you're very 852 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,920 proficient. Yeah. 853 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,480 In in the hobby community and Dave Taylor invites you for a 854 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:19,960 drink. Yeah. 855 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,480 Just be aware of what you're signing up for before he pulls 856 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,640 that chair out. It's that sort of smile of it 857 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,120 and the little, you know, sort of, you know, he loves you in 858 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,280 it. He's ruthless, absolutely 859 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,680 ruthless. Love you, Dave. 860 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,560 Yeah, good, good, good guy, Dave, he is. 861 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,400 I can't speak highly enough of him. 862 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:45,320 Absolutely. And so I, and I imagine, like as 863 00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,360 you did a lot of live streams during the process of this book 864 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,160 and making it. It was in a massive undertaking, 865 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,120 mate. Oh, it was, you know, especially 866 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,240 considering we had a pandemic hit and my lung popped and I 867 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:02,400 almost got ventilated and all sorts of crazy stuff. 868 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:06,320 Yeah, it was a challenge. And in all honesty, yeah, I 869 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,600 cannot speak highly enough of Dave through that. 870 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,760 And not just getting the project completed, but helping me get 871 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,720 through some personal things and that sort of stuff and seeing me 872 00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:19,840 to the other side. Yeah, there were times when we 873 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,440 didn't think that we were going to do it. 874 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,920 And because of the pandemic, the shipping costs went through the 875 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,360 roof. I mean, we priced everything pre 876 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,800 pandemic, you know, and we raised the money pre pandemic. 877 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,640 But when it came to paying the bills for the shipping and the 878 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:39,600 printing etcetera, that was pandemic, you know what I mean? 879 00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,200 And it was ridiculous. It was a crazy time. 880 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,720 But you know, we fulfilled. Yeah. 881 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,440 And you know, we've fulfilled in spades. 882 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:54,680 I mean, I always say to to Dave, you know, we've produced a hell 883 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,760 of a book. No one speaks badly of it. 884 00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,480 It's never had a bad review. Oh, it's had one bad review. 885 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,440 Someone on Facebook. Yeah. 886 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,560 When I I read, I read a comment when someone asked if someone 887 00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:08,800 was worth it. Someone replied only if you're 888 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,200 looking to wrap chips up. Yeah, so I replied no, it's no 889 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,400 good for that the the papers. Too high quality and it's 890 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:17,760 glossy. Wouldn't soak the grease up 891 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,160 well. That's the only bad comment. 892 00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,040 Wow. Yeah mate, it it's a it's an 893 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,000 amazing cover, right? Like look at the camera and 894 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,000 think is it like a photo of like, you know some kind of 895 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,560 scenery out out on some kind of rocky outcrop or whatever, but 896 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,600 it's actually your terrain. I mean that's that's a that's a 897 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:40,400 section of terrain you made which which fills the cover of 898 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,240 that book well. That was the reason why we 899 00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:45,320 picked that photo out of everything, yeah, yeah, because 900 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,640 we just wanted to go look, look what you can do just with some 901 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,120 basic materials and some basic colours. 902 00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:56,600 It's the understanding, yeah, that's all it takes. 903 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,000 And practice. I can't give you the practice, 904 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,480 but I can give you the understanding. 905 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,480 Yeah, for sure. It's it's a really, it's a 906 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,400 wonderful, like I don't have it personally, but I I'd imagine 907 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,680 like you know getting back into terrain, doing the stuff with 908 00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:11,960 the chronic command and that kind of thing. 909 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,320 It would be the essential thing to look at for the process of 910 00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:19,280 you know, like I've I've, I've come across it now too coming 911 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,440 back into making terrain like warping stuff. 912 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,040 You know, things like that. The early mistakes you make 913 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:27,280 without knowing the prior knowledge of OK, you should 914 00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,960 really, you know, seal that before you you know, start 915 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,720 gluing things to it or before you start painting. 916 00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:37,480 You know look at the ways you could properly seal down like 917 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:39,400 flock onto a board and that kind of thing. 918 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,480 The glues you need and all that. You, you sort of cover all that 919 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,360 in your videos and in the book, I take it, Yeah. 920 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,200 Oh yeah. All covered. 921 00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:52,200 Absolutely, Yeah. Yeah, I I must say, like dealing 922 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,480 with flock again, mate. It's one of the most filthiest 923 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,280 bloody materials I've ever had to deal with. 924 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,600 You know what I mean? It just goes everywhere. 925 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,440 Really. Yeah, yeah. 926 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,360 It's just, it's just everywhere, all of my floorboards. 927 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:05,600 I just cannot get it sealed down. 928 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,360 So you're. Yeah, either this book or 929 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,160 you're. I watched some YouTube videos 930 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,920 that you've done about gluing down flock and that because it. 931 00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:16,680 Yeah, with Flock it just comes off over time, you know what I 932 00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,240 mean? Like having to seal it down and 933 00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:21,040 that kind of thing. So I found your videos really, 934 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,080 really useful in learning about how to like OK, you've glued it 935 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,120 down with the correct glue, how do you seal it down And that 936 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,080 kind of thing, those kind of those kind of tips that you give 937 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,960 is really, really helpful for people who are doing this kind 938 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,480 of old style flock type terrain. Yeah. 939 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,080 Oh, The thing is, it's got to be made for for play, hasn't it? 940 00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,000 It's got to be durable. You know, people, you know, 941 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:47,320 there's a lot, there's a lot with terrain making where people 942 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,360 go really fancy and that sort of stuff. 943 00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,080 And it's wonderful. It really is. 944 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,000 You know, they're beautiful pieces to look at. 945 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:58,680 Yeah, but my terrain making isn't about YouTube views. 946 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,760 Yeah. Or looking great on a thumbnail. 947 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:07,560 Yeah, I've got how many years now we're talking. 948 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:11,920 I'm not talking in decades 3. I'll be coming up to 4 decades 949 00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,240 of war gaming under my belt soon. 950 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:15,760 Yeah. Do you know what I mean? 951 00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,800 So it comes from gaming and gaming with clubs and gaming 952 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,040 with people. And I make terrain to game with, 953 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,200 you know, And to game for years with. 954 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,680 Yeah. And so that's sort of my focus. 955 00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,000 Yeah, you can still turn out really beautiful and fancy stuff 956 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,920 with it, but it's got to be fit for purpose. 957 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,040 Yep, absolutely, mate. That's right. 958 00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:41,280 Yeah, that's what I found too. Like you've got to make it 959 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,520 practical for gaming but still look aesthetically pleasing and, 960 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,920 you know, still capturing the whole sort of school style that 961 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,520 that sort of, you know, graced the pages of White Dwarf back in 962 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,760 the day. You wait till you come across 963 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,000 the triad. I'll save that for the planning 964 00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,480 section when you get reading, mate, but you'll love that, OK? 965 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,120 Mate, that'd be good. I can. 966 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,720 I can actually access it from Japan here through Amazon, which 967 00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:06,240 is good to know because I'm on that screen now looking at that, 968 00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:07,480 which is excellent. I'll shoot. 969 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:10,120 I'll shoot you the PDF version across because I'm sure Dave 970 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:10,800 won't mind. Oh, that. 971 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,640 'D be great mate. Thank you very much and I'll if 972 00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,040 you like, I'll do a review for you on the channel of the book. 973 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:17,720 Yeah, yeah, that's. No. 974 00:50:17,720 --> 00:50:19,400 Worries. Yeah, that'd be really nice for 975 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,920 people to see that. Now what? 976 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,800 What is the best way for people to access your book mate if they 977 00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:30,400 want to pick up a copy? Warlord Games ships to pretty 978 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,680 much everywhere in the world, yeah, but if you are in the US, 979 00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,840 yeah, you can get it from Iron Heart artisans. 980 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,160 Right. OK. 981 00:50:39,240 --> 00:50:41,360 OK. I'll, I'll leave links in the 982 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,560 show notes for people to access those books from the country of 983 00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,520 choice. Yeah, I'd I'd rather you know 984 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,560 and do you, do you get some kind of like royalties based on? 985 00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,320 Yeah, obviously I get royalty payments for it as the as the 986 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,400 author. So, you know, buying the book 987 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,080 helps me out, you know? That's good, mate. 988 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:00,760 That's good. I want to. 989 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,040 I want to make sure you get the most monetary return in the 990 00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,120 places where you buy it from, so it looks like Warlord games or 991 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,480 IT. Doesn't matter where you buy it 992 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,360 from. My my royalties for the book are 993 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,200 are pretty much the same. So as long as you buy it, you're 994 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,440 helping. You're helping me. 995 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,320 That's awesome, mate. That's great. 996 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,640 That's fantastic, Mel. Well, again, mate, thank you so 997 00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,760 much again for your time today. I really appreciate it and 998 00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,880 because I know it's like late in the evening for you there and I 999 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,240 just want to again urge people to go and check out your 1000 00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:30,560 channel, go and check out your book. 1001 00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,640 I hope to bring that that PDF as a video later on to keep like a 1002 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,080 sneak peek as to some of the sections that you cover in the 1003 00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,920 book to help out our Crown of Command community members when 1004 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,920 they make their terrain mate. Yeah, that sounds absolutely 1005 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,560 brilliant, Josh. OK buddy, well, you take care of 1006 00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,880 yourself and I look forward to your next video mate. 1007 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,520 See you. Look forward to seeing you too. 1008 00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:52,760 All the best. OK. 1009 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,880 Thanks, Mel. Take care, maybe a mess up there 1010 00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:16,760 catch you later bud. The.