1 00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:23,700 Yeah, it kind of fix joins me again from Australia. 2 00:00:23,700 --> 00:00:26,300 I think I might, yeah pretty good. 3 00:00:27,500 --> 00:00:31,000 Apologies in advance if I miss anything because I had a bit of 4 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,600 like a little break but I've tried to scramble through and 5 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:40,300 and make sure I've got a list of stuff to talk about, I guess the 6 00:00:40,300 --> 00:00:44,900 first thing. I need to mention is that Mark 7 00:00:44,900 --> 00:00:51,900 Smith basically gave away some Rule books in exchange for a 8 00:00:51,908 --> 00:01:00,500 donation to cancer research, UK and ingerson and Davide provided 9 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,200 some donations and made a new home for these Rule books that 10 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,400 were given out for like 2nd Ed 40K and things like that. 11 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:12,200 So that's pretty generous and I think like all people Involve 12 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,000 there should pat yourself on the back because that's it's a good 13 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:21,000 good way to do a donation and receive something in return. 14 00:01:21,300 --> 00:01:25,100 Well, done glass, I like it. Yeah that's an awesome awesome 15 00:01:25,100 --> 00:01:25,900 initiative. So yeah. 16 00:01:25,900 --> 00:01:27,800 Well done everybody involved with that. 17 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,200 That's that's amazing. Yeah, good work. 18 00:01:32,300 --> 00:01:37,800 Now all over social media, Facebook, Etc, bring out your 19 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:43,100 lead 2022. Some insane pictures of 20 00:01:43,100 --> 00:01:48,300 beautifully, painted rain, and battles, and models across the 21 00:01:48,300 --> 00:01:53,800 board, across all games. I guess the thing that really 22 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:58,800 stands out for me, is, there was a talk versus ultramarines 23 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,200 battle with some amazing Terrain. 24 00:02:02,100 --> 00:02:03,400 I'm sure you spotted that as well. 25 00:02:03,700 --> 00:02:08,300 Yeah yeah I saw that I did. Yeah and I pretty cool selfie 26 00:02:08,300 --> 00:02:12,600 from old man. Paints with some basically Games 27 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,900 Workshop celebrities marlys but you guys can check that out in 28 00:02:16,900 --> 00:02:19,600 the Discord. Bring out your lid area. 29 00:02:19,700 --> 00:02:22,600 I highly recommend. It got a good giggle out of me. 30 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,800 Yeah, well mine paints. He recently joined our Discord 31 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,300 after finding out how to join it. 32 00:02:27,300 --> 00:02:29,100 Like he had no idea what Discord was. 33 00:02:29,100 --> 00:02:31,400 His daughter went on about it. He said, what's this Discord 34 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,100 thinking on About. So yeah. 35 00:02:34,100 --> 00:02:37,200 Old man old man paints. Finally joined us, he worked out 36 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,100 how to do it. How to work, how to change his 37 00:02:39,300 --> 00:02:41,500 profile picture that kind of thing. 38 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,200 So yeah he's a really good guy. I met him through Instagram. 39 00:02:46,300 --> 00:02:47,800 Yeah he's good. He's really good guy. 40 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,400 He was he was like sendhil descend like videos of him just 41 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,400 talking about stuff related to hobby or Hilda, sound like a 42 00:02:54,408 --> 00:02:55,800 voice message. And I thought that's a really 43 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,300 weigh a good way of connecting with people, like his his 44 00:02:58,300 --> 00:03:03,100 friends on Instagram. So I said, might come and On 45 00:03:03,100 --> 00:03:05,900 this code. So he has and really good to see 46 00:03:05,900 --> 00:03:10,700 this a good lot of old cameras, present on our discords now, 47 00:03:10,700 --> 00:03:13,400 which is great. And yeah, bring out your lead. 48 00:03:13,700 --> 00:03:17,000 I think it might have been the most successful one, especially 49 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,800 such a short time after, like, you know, all the lockdowns, our 50 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,900 stuff in the UK, but have like gerbils Johnson turn up. 51 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,200 And to check out the Revenge of the Doom Lord battle scenario 52 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,300 that he wrote and the guys are playing it like Dave and all the 53 00:03:31,308 --> 00:03:34,900 other guys are Saying it that would have been a pretty 54 00:03:34,900 --> 00:03:42,000 spectacular thing, I think. Awesome Circle and so-called to 55 00:03:42,700 --> 00:03:45,700 yet, again, I'll use this term but live vicariously through the 56 00:03:45,700 --> 00:03:48,500 photos and uploads that I saw from people. 57 00:03:48,500 --> 00:03:50,100 So thanks very much for doing that. 58 00:03:50,100 --> 00:03:55,000 Guys need to shout out. Happy birthday to my cell and 59 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,700 Joe the Guardsmen. I know it's well past now but, 60 00:03:58,300 --> 00:04:02,400 you know, we had a hilarious time. 61 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:07,500 Wishing them, a happy birthday and we haven't seen You know, 62 00:04:07,500 --> 00:04:13,400 Justin mustering of arms online on the Discord in the paint and 63 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:15,000 Chad. So come back home. 64 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:16,300 Justin! We miss you. 65 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,800 Yeah, I've, I mean, quite guilty of not being on there for a very 66 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:24,900 long time, so I'm going to try to make it on there. 67 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:29,400 Now it's my holidays, I have no excuse but I have been pretty 68 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:34,500 busy last three days, watching the end of stranger things, like 69 00:04:34,500 --> 00:04:38,000 series for suddenly, my wife being hooked on And just finding 70 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,700 the time to watch that, after my son's going to bed and that kind 71 00:04:40,700 --> 00:04:44,000 of stuff, so, but now there's no excuse, I'll have to go and say 72 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,500 hello to the guys there, and and see what they're up to. 73 00:04:47,300 --> 00:04:51,100 Yep, come in and have a chat over on YouTube, Community 74 00:04:51,100 --> 00:04:52,900 Channel. So, there's been some new 75 00:04:52,900 --> 00:04:57,000 channels mentioned there big, small worlds, and on the lam 76 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,700 games, highly recommend. You just add, I guess soon as 77 00:05:00,700 --> 00:05:04,200 you open up one of those links to those YouTube Pages, just 78 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:08,800 hit, subscribe, straight away. Like Because eventually, like 79 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:10,800 people are just going to be training out videos after 80 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,700 videos. It'll come into your feed. 81 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,100 It's definitely going to be something you're going to enjoy 82 00:05:15,100 --> 00:05:19,400 to watch. So do that support everyone and 83 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,000 get a nice list of subscriptions going. 84 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,900 So your feeds not flooded with strange clips that the YouTube 85 00:05:26,900 --> 00:05:29,000 algorithm thinks that you want to see. 86 00:05:29,300 --> 00:05:33,100 It's all rubbish. Can they all right there, you 87 00:05:33,100 --> 00:05:36,400 got that right? Oh yeah, it's really bad. 88 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,300 So What's happening with? I'll just touch on this briefly 89 00:05:39,300 --> 00:05:42,300 but a lot of social media platforms are trying to become 90 00:05:42,300 --> 00:05:46,400 Tick-Tock, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube clips. 91 00:05:46,700 --> 00:05:51,700 They're all trying to cram in these rubbishy little 10 seconds 92 00:05:51,700 --> 00:05:56,800 to 30 second clips and just flat everyone with its it's just 93 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,700 Mindless drivel fight against it. 94 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,900 Subscribe to things at me like that's them and always hit a 95 00:06:03,900 --> 00:06:05,700 lie. Resistance, you have five 96 00:06:05,700 --> 00:06:09,100 seconds? Put a comment in likes a great 97 00:06:09,100 --> 00:06:11,900 video or something like that. It doesn't matter to support, 98 00:06:11,900 --> 00:06:15,600 support, what you like, don't be brainwashed by this horrible 99 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,100 machines and watch, watch The Alex Jones. 100 00:06:19,100 --> 00:06:20,500 Well, what's the Alex Jones trial? 101 00:06:20,500 --> 00:06:23,400 That's absolutely hilarious. That's worth every penny, every 102 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:37,000 time, my God, I'll go there. But that might you be In might 103 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,400 just to break things up a bit but you've posted pictures with 104 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,400 Brandi, dog. You've actually played the game. 105 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:44,600 You're not even just talking about it. 106 00:06:44,608 --> 00:06:48,000 You actually played it. Yeah, guilty as charged, so 107 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,900 myself, Brandy dog, mitosis fish, and wondering valve. 108 00:06:52,900 --> 00:06:56,800 Are we got together and did sort of like a 2 V 2 game with some 109 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:58,900 Orcs and Jenn still has and terrain. 110 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:04,000 I made a very horrible PDF file that I put into the battle 111 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,500 reports section that you can squint. 112 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,700 And have a look at but yeah, we just basically cut it down, you 113 00:07:10,700 --> 00:07:17,000 know, for term limits for by for battle game area, and no 114 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,600 psychics and just limited points and was very fun because we kept 115 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:27,400 things flowing, you know, we had a lot of reading and catching up 116 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:31,000 on the rules and just remembering how restrictive some 117 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,400 things were, but this a friendly match. 118 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:38,700 So you know, no weird rules allowing or Like that and lots 119 00:07:38,700 --> 00:07:40,800 of hilarious things to do with vehicles. 120 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:47,200 Like people penetrating rhinos and not killing them as really 121 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,300 bizarre. And, and forgetting just how 122 00:07:49,300 --> 00:07:54,300 tough vehicles and second edition were because that jump 123 00:07:54,300 --> 00:07:56,100 from second edition, a third added. 124 00:07:57,500 --> 00:08:01,500 Yeah things like rhinos were came complete rubbish. 125 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,200 No really tough and second is really strange but yeah, you can 126 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,100 check that out. I did manage to catch a bit of 127 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,000 the remote gaming that you were doing as well with the Manowar 128 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,700 game the other day and I noticed you did a hero, Hammer match and 129 00:08:17,700 --> 00:08:20,200 compensation as well. So you've been really busy. 130 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:23,200 Oh yeah, we're trying to get some some games in of my 131 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,600 holidays. Always try to do that if I can 132 00:08:26,100 --> 00:08:29,500 but yeah, I had a really good game with the Justin and Paul 133 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:31,500 that was in the first day of the holidays. 134 00:08:31,500 --> 00:08:34,200 We thought we'd kick it off with a game of Warhammer fantasy 135 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,500 battle 5th edition. But with the flylo skulls twist, 136 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,500 And on the patreon, that videos up there now, it's like it just 137 00:08:40,500 --> 00:08:44,500 like a, like a post turn kind of review of what happened each 138 00:08:44,500 --> 00:08:47,400 turn. Now that's up there for those 139 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,700 guys who want to watch it and thanks for thanks for supporting 140 00:08:50,700 --> 00:08:52,200 me guys. So enjoy that one. 141 00:08:52,500 --> 00:08:56,600 But good news is they're going to come back on the 22nd because 142 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,300 Justin got another day off to come up here to play with Paul 143 00:09:00,300 --> 00:09:02,700 and myself. I'm going to bring the same 144 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:06,000 list, maybe with a slight change. 145 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,500 And I think the The guys are going to change their wood elf 146 00:09:08,500 --> 00:09:11,300 list as well. But one of the guys in the 147 00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:15,600 community totter from Denmark, he wrote my list for me and it's 148 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,700 been just so awesome like he made up all the names of all the 149 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:23,200 characters and the unit names from The Wharf language lexicon 150 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,100 in the door 4th edition book so just hilarious stuff totally 151 00:09:27,100 --> 00:09:29,100 unpronounceable. I can't read what they actually 152 00:09:29,100 --> 00:09:34,200 say but I'll I've posted up that on the Discord of the entire 153 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,200 list. So we're going to play that 154 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:37,800 again. N on the 22nd. 155 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:39,800 So I'm really looking forward to that, because I really enjoyed 156 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,800 the guys coming up and playing a big game of one on the fantasy. 157 00:09:43,900 --> 00:09:48,700 But yeah, played with Chris, again Manowar with this time. 158 00:09:48,700 --> 00:09:51,100 The britannian fleet I've never played britannians before, he's 159 00:09:51,100 --> 00:09:54,900 got a beautifully painted, full complete Fleet of that. 160 00:09:54,900 --> 00:09:58,900 So, I took batting to the High Elves and had a really good 161 00:09:58,900 --> 00:10:03,000 match with Chris that was yesterday yesterday morning. 162 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:09,200 Really enjoyed that and I played some Confrontation with Paul as 163 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,000 a year, since we played a game of that, so really enjoy that. 164 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,700 I'm just now uploading the video to the YouTube channel. 165 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,400 I had some difficulties with it last night. 166 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,000 Some reason, it was only uploading an hour of the one 167 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,700 hour and 40 minute video, but it seems to be going well now, so 168 00:10:24,700 --> 00:10:26,800 that's cool. So look out for that very 169 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,200 shortly. But yeah, made are been having 170 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,800 lots of lots of fun playing games and, you know, sort of 171 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,500 dreaming of the projects that I want to fulfill but just not 172 00:10:35,500 --> 00:10:37,200 having the time to body do Oh though mate. 173 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,100 Yeah you really got to chip away at these things and just do a 174 00:10:41,100 --> 00:10:44,100 little bit of planning and then hopefully it'll falls into 175 00:10:44,100 --> 00:10:45,500 place. Yeah, Mike. 176 00:10:45,500 --> 00:10:47,700 Yeah, absolutely, but I love seeing like the bring out your 177 00:10:47,700 --> 00:10:50,400 lead. Like watching that scenario that 178 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,300 Dave put together with a lot of other guys. 179 00:10:52,300 --> 00:10:55,900 But I think mainly, Dave did all the Dave Gilson he painted all 180 00:10:55,900 --> 00:10:59,100 the armies, he made all the terrain, you know, seeing 181 00:10:59,100 --> 00:11:00,600 something that coming to coming together. 182 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,000 It's really inspirational and it's You know it's getting me 183 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,500 inspired to do some do something like that. 184 00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:09,800 All start on doing some scenarios like battle for you 185 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,200 skate and that kind of thing in the works. 186 00:11:12,300 --> 00:11:15,200 But yeah might have been talking about for ages but like you say 187 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,000 you got to start somewhere and you've got a really cheap at it 188 00:11:18,300 --> 00:11:21,800 like 30 minutes a day kind of thing to realize these sort of 189 00:11:21,900 --> 00:11:26,600 projects a Yeah. I mean for myself I'm hoping to 190 00:11:26,900 --> 00:11:31,900 eventually get a regular gaming session done, maybe every month, 191 00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:36,300 minimum one day within a year. So that's that's the goal at the 192 00:11:36,300 --> 00:11:40,300 moment. I've learned if you can paint 193 00:11:40,300 --> 00:11:42,800 these things and work on them and then actually get a game in, 194 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,500 that's that's the best, that's the best feeling in it. 195 00:11:45,500 --> 00:11:47,700 Like, you see them, but I know, I really like to see ya. 196 00:11:47,700 --> 00:11:50,500 You'll tyranids against Brandi dogs space walls and be quite 197 00:11:50,500 --> 00:11:56,100 cool. Oh yeah, that'll be crazy one 198 00:11:56,100 --> 00:12:00,800 day when I promise, well, gotta fix you won't be disappointed 199 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,700 because today, I've got a very good old friend of mine and he's 200 00:12:04,700 --> 00:12:07,900 part of who's the main person behind where we've or 201 00:12:07,900 --> 00:12:12,800 Miniatures, people may have been will make may have seen his work 202 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,700 on Facebook or on his external site at a Facebook. 203 00:12:16,700 --> 00:12:23,000 Basically, he has designed the Of Miniatures based on the 40K 204 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,300 universe, so think of like squats and aux and mainly, 205 00:12:27,300 --> 00:12:29,600 mainly squat. So he's got like this egg Bots 206 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,500 type designs which are like guys and exo-armor and that kind of 207 00:12:33,500 --> 00:12:36,900 thing doors and exo-armor. So he's done a lot of that and I 208 00:12:36,900 --> 00:12:38,600 think. Yeah, you really like this kind 209 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:44,300 of chat back in time into playing 40K with your old Squad 210 00:12:44,300 --> 00:12:46,000 armies. And you'd want to know if you 211 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,200 wanted more designs or more variation in your in your units 212 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,500 or this is the way to do it because Marcus is designing them 213 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:56,100 in casting resin and selling them. 214 00:12:56,100 --> 00:13:00,600 So, look forward to bring that interview to everybody very 215 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:04,400 shortly and yeah, getting getting in touch with him, go to 216 00:13:04,408 --> 00:13:07,300 the show notes, you'll find the links there to his site and so 217 00:13:07,300 --> 00:13:11,400 you can check out his full catalog of models and and order 218 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:15,400 a way. So yeah, and let's be honest, 219 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,400 they'll be a hundred times better than the current squats 220 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:25,000 that GW has decided to put out. Which are horrible and generic 221 00:13:25,300 --> 00:13:29,700 and then audience outside needs. They don't even have beards. 222 00:13:29,700 --> 00:13:33,200 What is going on? And those this like, those, I am 223 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,500 there's a Kickstarter recently life from Ginger beard. 224 00:13:36,700 --> 00:13:40,200 He did some, they look awesome. They look fantastic, but the 225 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,900 price is so prohibitive of things like 80 Euros or 226 00:13:42,908 --> 00:13:46,500 something like 45 guys, unfortunately. 227 00:13:46,500 --> 00:13:48,900 But yeah, that was that was the, that was the only one I can 228 00:13:48,900 --> 00:13:51,400 think of that. Would that really, you know, Did 229 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:56,100 them Justice that look like the kind of second edition. 230 00:13:56,100 --> 00:13:59,700 The ones used that featured on The Dark One idiom inside 231 00:13:59,700 --> 00:14:01,800 covers. They had those two unreleased 232 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,700 squats. Yeah, those ones I absolutely 233 00:14:03,700 --> 00:14:05,100 love. I mean, that, that that 234 00:14:05,100 --> 00:14:10,700 epitomizes what, I think squat should look like in 40K more so 235 00:14:10,700 --> 00:14:13,400 than the road Trader ones. But yeah, I really really love 236 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,300 that design. So anybody can pull that off, 237 00:14:15,300 --> 00:14:18,800 I'll get asked Marcus to do, that is actually based on those 238 00:14:19,700 --> 00:14:21,800 ones from second edition. I think you learned, A great 239 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,000 time and great success in doing those but even Marcus is playing 240 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,700 second edition 40K. So it's the bug is sort of 241 00:14:28,700 --> 00:14:31,300 caught on to him as well and he's got his old collections out 242 00:14:31,300 --> 00:14:33,800 and playing with his Elder and aux now. 243 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,300 So he's really busy. Painting up his old collection 244 00:14:37,300 --> 00:14:40,000 of pile of pile of Shame, a pile of lead. 245 00:14:40,700 --> 00:14:42,200 So that's really awesome to see mates. 246 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,000 So yeah, I'm really happy to see people playing games. 247 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:48,300 Yeah, it can't wait to listen to that. 248 00:14:48,900 --> 00:14:50,800 Well, they will that further Ado, let's get on with the 249 00:14:50,808 --> 00:14:53,200 interview and let's see what Marcus has to say. 250 00:14:53,500 --> 00:14:54,600 So thanks again. Awesome. 251 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,400 Thanks for joining me again. This week. 252 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,900 Sorry for the lateness of this recording. 253 00:14:59,900 --> 00:15:03,200 I'm of this podcast coming out. But yeah, basically, when I get 254 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,700 an interview lined up, we can, we can release it. 255 00:15:06,700 --> 00:15:08,800 If we don't have one, well, then you'll just have to wait. 256 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,800 Unfortunately, but luckily. We've got a couple lined up 257 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,200 already. So yeah, and sit back, enjoy. 258 00:15:16,300 --> 00:15:19,900 We enjoy guys and let's listen to what Marcus has to say. 259 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,800 Okay, I might take care until next time, kind of fix will do 260 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,600 and a big shout-out to everyone who's posting up their Minis and 261 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,000 Discord. Thanks very much, guys. 262 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,700 Enjoyed it. Yeah, guys, thanks for joining 263 00:15:30,700 --> 00:15:34,000 the, the communities we have online, and please keep in 264 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,000 spite, keep being inspired and keep producing and keep enjoying 265 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,400 a hobby, okay? Until then, take care guys. 266 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:51,000 Bye sir. Let's do this. 267 00:15:51,300 --> 00:15:52,600 Thanks again for joining us again. 268 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,000 Marcus, whether we wish you a key trying to tap our times up 269 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,400 mate. But we're lucky because Japan 270 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,000 and Australia only like an hour away. 271 00:16:00,500 --> 00:16:04,500 Yes, it's very serendipitous, it is indeed. 272 00:16:04,500 --> 00:16:07,400 But we've been good friends for a long time, and if people 273 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,700 haven't listened to our chat with yourself and Bradley, 274 00:16:12,700 --> 00:16:16,100 that's on another podcast about gunners. 275 00:16:16,300 --> 00:16:17,400 Lane. Isn't it in London? 276 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:22,400 It goes real and to London back in the good old days when we 277 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:27,300 were young and had no gray hair, well speak for yourself. 278 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:33,600 A I'll get no gray here. I can just hear your sultry 279 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,300 voice. That's right. 280 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:41,600 But yeah we started off way back in the mid 90s we went over to 281 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:46,400 London and 94. Yeah and maybe but at we Met 282 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,900 obviously before that. So how did how did you actually 283 00:16:48,900 --> 00:16:51,100 get into like wargaming and that kind of thing? 284 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:58,100 Wargaming was a Natural Evolution from role-playing. 285 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,500 When I was about 13 in high school, I remember sitting there 286 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,800 listening to a couple kids talking about dragons and ogres 287 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:11,099 and killing these things and you know, leveling up and what, and 288 00:17:11,099 --> 00:17:13,900 I had no idea what they were talking about, but it intrigued 289 00:17:13,900 --> 00:17:18,300 me because I was always a big Fan of fantasy. 290 00:17:18,700 --> 00:17:23,000 And and so I eavesdropped in on their conversation and, you 291 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,200 know, the longer I listened, the more intrigued I got it 292 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,000 eventually. I plucked up the courage and 293 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,800 said, well, you know, what are you talking about? 294 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,100 And they more or less tried to brush me off, you know? 295 00:17:32,100 --> 00:17:35,400 And I said, no, no, I'm actually interested. 296 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,300 What, what are you, what are you talking about? 297 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,400 And so they they gave me a, you know, a bit of a rundown of, you 298 00:17:41,408 --> 00:17:44,200 know, ice Dungeons and Dragons and this that and the other. 299 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:45,800 I thought, well, that sounds pretty cool. 300 00:17:46,300 --> 00:17:49,000 And kind of left it at that and then, you know, a couple days 301 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,700 later I heard them talking about it again. 302 00:17:50,700 --> 00:17:54,800 And again, I sort of started asking questions and long story 303 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,700 short got into their D&D group, absolutely loved. 304 00:17:57,700 --> 00:18:02,100 It got really hooked on it, and we played that for years, 305 00:18:03,100 --> 00:18:05,800 probably for the next five or six years, we played, you know, 306 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:10,300 and, you know, some of the marathon sessions that we had 307 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:15,900 were just, you know, the things you look back on really fondly. 308 00:18:16,900 --> 00:18:19,700 as an adult, you know, from some of the great things you did when 309 00:18:19,700 --> 00:18:22,700 you were a kid, was the old D&D sessions and then we had a lot 310 00:18:22,700 --> 00:18:31,600 of fun but you know, that that recreation in the mind was more 311 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:36,700 sort of put into a 3D view when when you know the DM started 312 00:18:36,700 --> 00:18:40,800 using some figures to represent, you know, our characters in The 313 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,400 Monsters and what not and I've never really seen them and so I 314 00:18:45,408 --> 00:18:48,800 was quite White interested in them and then one of my other 315 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:54,200 mates, his older brother was playing 40K and I went over 316 00:18:54,200 --> 00:19:00,900 there one day and saw them playing this game and I was just 317 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,900 blown away like it, I'd never seen anything like it. 318 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,200 It was like, you know, it was almost like looking at, you 319 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,800 know, that the handful of figures that we've been using 320 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:14,600 for D and D but Times by 100 because, you know, they had like 321 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,500 40 or 50 figures. each side and it was all over this massive 322 00:19:18,500 --> 00:19:22,100 table with full of terrain that look like it you know you know 323 00:19:22,100 --> 00:19:26,900 miniature landscape which just it just totally ignited my 324 00:19:26,900 --> 00:19:31,400 imagination and I you know it certainly helped that one of the 325 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:36,200 guys could actually paint quite well and I was utterly 326 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,800 fascinated by the figures and and then I kind of got hooked on 327 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,700 that and Yeah, but that's how basically I sort of got into it 328 00:19:44,700 --> 00:19:48,900 and you know like everyone when I first started painting 329 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,100 miniatures, I was pretty ordinary. 330 00:19:51,900 --> 00:19:56,000 Think most of us are, you know, unless you've got a savant 331 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,100 ability or have a really, really good teacher, helping you from 332 00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:04,000 the very first figure you paint, you know, you go through a lot 333 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,200 of trial and error and you know, watching other people. 334 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:11,200 And yeah, I suppose bearing in mind to back then when you and I 335 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,100 were Getting into painting. The only thing we really had to 336 00:20:14,100 --> 00:20:18,100 refer to was either our friends or white dwarf. 337 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,500 And, you know, I don't know about you Josh, but for me, 338 00:20:22,300 --> 00:20:26,400 seeing the original stuff in white dwarf, was it seemed 339 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,800 unachievable? It just seems so good. 340 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,000 And so far ahead of anything that I was doing at that point 341 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,700 that I just saw know when the world I'll ever get to sort of 342 00:20:35,708 --> 00:20:37,100 that standard or anything like that. 343 00:20:37,100 --> 00:20:45,200 And, but, yeah, look obviously Things change when you put a bit 344 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,700 of effort and time into it and ask questions and get the right 345 00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:55,700 advice and see other people's examples and you get better. 346 00:20:55,700 --> 00:21:00,100 And I mean without I'm going to probably end up mentioning the 347 00:21:00,100 --> 00:21:04,100 evil overlords Games Workshop a few times in this this chat 348 00:21:04,100 --> 00:21:05,600 Josh. But I'll try to refrain where 349 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:10,500 possible but there's no no secret that most Gamers have 350 00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:13,600 there. Origins in Games, Workshop 351 00:21:13,700 --> 00:21:17,400 games, certainly from, you know, 20, 30 years ago anyway, because 352 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,700 they backed them, they were the pretty much the Kings there was 353 00:21:20,700 --> 00:21:25,300 not a hell of a lot of competition and many of us had 354 00:21:25,300 --> 00:21:28,300 our roots in, you know, in their games. 355 00:21:29,300 --> 00:21:33,200 And yeah I mean obviously you and I met through through that 356 00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:36,600 through the gaming and the Miniatures and painted stuff. 357 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:41,200 And and you know, obviously we've been friends ever since 358 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:48,000 And our own sort of personal painting Journey for one of a 359 00:21:48,008 --> 00:21:51,700 better term, is also sort of gone through all sorts of 360 00:21:51,708 --> 00:21:55,700 different, you know, iterations and Heights. 361 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,800 You know, and obviously, back when you and I were living in 362 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:04,800 London with Brad and you ended up getting the job at Games 363 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,700 Workshop, in the, every male Studio. 364 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,700 I was so stoked for you. I just thought that was awesome, 365 00:22:10,700 --> 00:22:14,800 you know, because You know, when you and I first, I suppose met 366 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:20,600 our painting abilities were pretty much on a par and yeah. 367 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,900 And, you know, when you went to the heavy metal Studio, I just 368 00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:28,100 saw your painting sort of go through the roof and after, you 369 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:30,100 know, you finished your stint there, even though it was 370 00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:38,600 relatively short it, I think it expanded your repertoire so to 371 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,100 speak and that spurred me on to sort of You know, do better and 372 00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:48,100 and then of course, eventually in 1998, they finally ended up 373 00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:51,300 holding a the first gold of demon competition in Australia. 374 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,700 And yeah, I think you entered the first one. 375 00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:57,000 I didn't go down that first one I went to the second one and, 376 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:04,000 you know, many more after that but that competition spurred me 377 00:23:04,100 --> 00:23:08,800 at least on to be, as good as I possibly could be. 378 00:23:09,500 --> 00:23:13,600 And that was my main focus was. Come competitive painting for 379 00:23:13,608 --> 00:23:18,000 the next 10, 12 years and then then, for whatever reason, they 380 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,700 pulled the pin on it and there was no more Games Workshop. 381 00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:25,800 Sorry golden demoness in Australia and not long after 382 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,000 that, you know, they pulled the pin on it in many other 383 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,300 countries and only ended up having it in the UK. 384 00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:34,000 And I think it's only in the last what year that they've 385 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,500 actually open it up again to the US. 386 00:23:36,900 --> 00:23:40,700 But yeah, I mean, long story short there as I said you know 387 00:23:40,700 --> 00:23:44,700 that the The first thing that got me into it was was role 388 00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:50,700 playing and it just evolved from there but I suppose, you know, 389 00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:53,600 the next logical question, you might be thinking after that is 390 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,700 Will what? What made you start sculpting 391 00:23:57,900 --> 00:24:04,000 and it literally follows on from from the ending of golden demon 392 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,600 in Australia. You know when they stopped 393 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,200 holding it I was you know I had probably another Dozen injuries 394 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,200 planned for the next few years and they pulled the pin on it 395 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,300 and I thought, well buggy, yeah, you know why should I paint your 396 00:24:19,300 --> 00:24:21,700 figures and why should I do you any favor in it? 397 00:24:21,900 --> 00:24:25,700 If you've just pulled the rug out from under me and all of the 398 00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:30,000 other painters, you know, around Australia that loved you know 399 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:36,000 competing and you know meeting up every year and doing, you 400 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,700 know, encouraging each other and doing the best we could and 401 00:24:38,700 --> 00:24:41,200 things like that. And unfortunately, at that, 402 00:24:41,300 --> 00:24:43,200 Point. There was no other real sort of 403 00:24:45,700 --> 00:24:48,000 prestigious painting competitions around. 404 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,300 So, you know, there was plenty of plenty of other Regional 405 00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:54,300 competitions in each state, where you'd have, you know, like 406 00:24:54,300 --> 00:24:58,600 in Sydney they had a couple, like, Moab and in Canberra they 407 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,500 had can con and things like that, but none of them were on 408 00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:07,100 the sort of same level of exposure, or, or level of 409 00:25:07,100 --> 00:25:12,100 competition, as what, you know. Goddamn demon was so Anyway, you 410 00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:16,300 know, after that, I just thought to myself, well, maybe I can 411 00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:20,200 start doing more of my own thing for starters and I think, you 412 00:25:20,208 --> 00:25:24,000 know, I'm not the only one in that respect because many many 413 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:28,000 other painters I used to compete against went on to do their own 414 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,000 thing as well. I mean, two of the top of my 415 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,200 head Victoria lamb, you know, with her, Victoria Miniatures 416 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,700 and Sebastian, Archer with his veiled lamp and before that I 417 00:25:39,708 --> 00:25:43,200 think was Guild of harm. Annie and a few other iterations 418 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,000 before that. But, you know, there's a couple 419 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,600 of us, you know, that ended up sculpting arrow and figures and 420 00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:54,100 and and and you know, that was our Prime Focus or creative 421 00:25:54,100 --> 00:25:57,700 Focus instead of painting for gold demon. 422 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:04,200 So yeah, that was that, was that Yeah, it's good memories 423 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,700 actually from Golden Demon Days on it. 424 00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:08,300 From like, what I remember always paint is being like the 425 00:26:08,300 --> 00:26:11,000 Forum the Australian form. Yeah, I think those 426 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,400 International forbidden, but yeah, we have a lot of people at 427 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,300 Sebastian Archer on there, man. That guy could paint could me 428 00:26:16,300 --> 00:26:18,500 like, wow, he is like a prodigy that guy. 429 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,300 Yeah, look, dude, you know, he, the first time I saw him, enter 430 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,900 was literally the first time he entered, and he won the sword. 431 00:26:27,500 --> 00:26:31,100 But the figure that he entered I was just blown away. 432 00:26:31,100 --> 00:26:35,800 I'd never seen anything. Even in the UK, when I went to 433 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,800 some of the golden demons there, I'd never seen anything as good. 434 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,600 You know he did this. I think it was a word Bearer 435 00:26:44,100 --> 00:26:48,600 Chaplin and it had all this free hand on it and he did a lot of 436 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,700 his own sculpting and converting on it and things like that. 437 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,900 And you know, the only thing that I could pick on from a 438 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,000 critical perspective was some of the sculpting on the face was a 439 00:26:59,008 --> 00:27:03,300 little Little bit cartoonish, but that was just me and my, my 440 00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:07,800 homes and, you know nitpicking, but the painting was Flawless 441 00:27:08,900 --> 00:27:12,600 and I just I was stunned. And you know, I wasn't surprised 442 00:27:12,700 --> 00:27:15,700 at all the one, the sword that year and I certainly wasn't 443 00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:19,200 surprised in the several years after that, that he won a few 444 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:25,000 more. So and again beyond that for 445 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,300 him, you know, doing more sculpting, it was a logical. 446 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,700 Evolution for him, to start up his own, you know, sculpting 447 00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:36,600 company. Because I think some of his dog 448 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,600 demon entries. You know, after that ended up 449 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,600 being false Cults, like I think he ended up going to the golden 450 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:50,100 demon, the UK and winning gold with a full scratch-built skaven 451 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,200 and also a scratch-built nergal Terminator or something like 452 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,600 that. But yeah, look at that were 453 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:01,900 phenomenal. And Yeah, he's kind of bath. 454 00:28:01,900 --> 00:28:06,300 I mean, there's there's a couple others of, you know, seen in the 455 00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:10,700 last few years, sort of crop up which one in particular and I'm 456 00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:15,200 going to use sort of heard of him or not but Cole. 457 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,600 Well what's his first name? David Cole. 458 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:27,700 Well okay everybody this guy, yeah yeah he's fine, he's in 459 00:28:27,700 --> 00:28:33,800 Melbourne but Some of his stuff is just Sublime, it really is. 460 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:40,600 Like I've been doing a few painting tutorials over the last 461 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,000 two years. You know, I'll just hold these 462 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,500 classes where, you know, we cap it at 10 people and we go for 463 00:28:46,500 --> 00:28:50,700 about three or four hours and go through all the, you know, a 2-0 464 00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:53,800 of of painting and whatnot. Mainly I aimed at for sort of 465 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,300 beginners to intermediate, but at the end of that, I usually 466 00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:03,700 give everyone a list. Of practice exercises they can 467 00:29:03,708 --> 00:29:07,500 do but also give information about things and places they can 468 00:29:07,500 --> 00:29:11,000 look at and miniature painters they whose work they can. 469 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,500 Look at if they you know Google it and yeah look both you know 470 00:29:15,500 --> 00:29:22,600 both Sebastian and and Dave's name is on that list so you know 471 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,100 it's good to see if you Aziz on the list. 472 00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:27,300 I mean obviously there's a bunch of other International painters 473 00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:33,100 as well but Yeah look at this, you know, I think that if he was 474 00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:36,300 painting back then when I was competing, if I was in the same 475 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,300 you know, category I'd get blown away. 476 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,700 But now look, it was good. Funny it pushed my abilities, 477 00:29:43,700 --> 00:29:46,500 you know, I mean, I love, I'm a naturally competitive person. 478 00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:51,800 I suppose whether I like it or not and, you know, I try to sort 479 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,300 of do things in the right spirit and not be a sore winner or a 480 00:29:55,308 --> 00:29:58,900 sore loser, but I do like I do like a bit of competition. 481 00:29:59,500 --> 00:30:01,700 And that's why I love to live going to go. 482 00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:05,300 And even each year was it was a. It was a reason for me to push 483 00:30:05,300 --> 00:30:08,500 myself with my painting because I think without it, I don't 484 00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:12,400 think I would've pushed myself anywhere near as much as I did. 485 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,900 And certainly wouldn't have really sculpted because again, 486 00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:23,300 you know, like Sebastian and you know Vic as well the full 487 00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:26,700 sculpting you know was an evolution from converting 488 00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:30,800 figures and you know making your own Unique Ones based on just 489 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,400 chopping and changing and adding a few bits and sculpting new 490 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,300 faces or weapons or pouches. And backpacks. 491 00:30:36,300 --> 00:30:42,300 You know, simple stuff to, you know, the first attempts at full 492 00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:47,500 scratch builds. I mean, I did do a few attempts 493 00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:52,700 when I was a lot younger, but they were always pretty 494 00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:54,700 ordinary. I know and because I think 495 00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:59,000 Because I will marry. I was, I suppose a bit one of 496 00:30:59,008 --> 00:31:01,900 tho disheartened because I didn't have any help. 497 00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:06,100 I didn't have anyone guiding me, although, I could sort of ask 498 00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:07,800 for help or show me how to do things. 499 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,100 So I was always again self-taught, you know, watching 500 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,800 reference of other stuff and things like that. 501 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,400 So some of my, you know, first sculpts were crap really. 502 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,700 I mean, that was they really were, I still kept them alive. 503 00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:24,900 I've got all my old sculpts, I've never thrown anything away. 504 00:31:25,100 --> 00:31:29,400 But you probably don't remember Josh but I think I actually 505 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,300 ended up. I sculpted one or two figures 506 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,600 waiting and not him. You Scott, you like in London, 507 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,100 sorry you scared you sculpted the Squig bombs enough. 508 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,400 Yes, you have it with those. Yeah, so there was those and but 509 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,700 even before that, there was two two figures, it was a goblin and 510 00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:52,600 a dwarf and they were terrible. Like, I'm like I'm sitting here 511 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,800 at my desk looking at across it. Where they are on the shelf and 512 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,100 they're terrible. But yeah, they're completely 513 00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:02,000 made out of milliput. I had no idea about the 514 00:32:02,008 --> 00:32:06,000 properties of how to sculpt that and what tools to use and things 515 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,900 like that. I think I'd be using a needle 516 00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:14,400 and a toothpick or something like that. 517 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:22,300 But yeah, look, it started off very slowly and small and then I 518 00:32:22,300 --> 00:32:26,500 sort of put them away for a while and then after five or six 519 00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:29,800 years of no gold demon, I was just pottering around doing my 520 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:34,200 own thing doing a bit of painting of armies and stuff 521 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,700 like that, excuse me. And and then I got the urge to 522 00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:43,400 do something a bit different with sculpting and I'd seen a 523 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,900 few other people online. Give it a go and and funnily 524 00:32:48,900 --> 00:32:52,300 enough again, I think it was the competitive streak in me. 525 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,000 I was seeing people Bringing it Their Own Line of figures or 526 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,500 their own little ranges of figures that I felt were. 527 00:33:02,100 --> 00:33:05,500 And I really don't want this to come across as arrogant, but I 528 00:33:05,500 --> 00:33:08,900 thought they're pretty ornery. And and, you know, I thought 529 00:33:08,900 --> 00:33:12,800 that if they can do that and make money out of it, surely 530 00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:16,200 some of the pretty ordinary ones that I've got sitting on my 531 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,600 shelf. You know, may be able to sell 532 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:24,500 also and but I wasn't happy with what I was sculpting. 533 00:33:24,500 --> 00:33:26,900 I mean You know, I thought my stuff was pretty order as well, 534 00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:32,900 but it did give me the impetus to pull my finger out and 535 00:33:32,900 --> 00:33:34,800 actually start getting better at sculpting. 536 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:42,000 So I did I started sculpting and you know doing more and pushing 537 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,300 the boundaries and then I I sort of ended up sculpting this this 538 00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:54,400 talk which later went on to be the second figure in my range of 539 00:33:54,400 --> 00:34:01,200 where we've If she's and call it the universal awk because it was 540 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:07,700 never designed or intended to be a knockoff of anyone's you know, 541 00:34:08,300 --> 00:34:11,400 Aesthetics or anything like that from any other gaming company. 542 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,400 Like I wasn't trying to copy Games Workshop or copy Privateer 543 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,100 Press or you know whoever I just wanted to make my own orc and 544 00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:22,900 make it look a bit different and and so I did. 545 00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:26,400 And anyway I was pretty happy with How that turned out but I 546 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,500 ended up Chuck and it in the in the Shelf you know in my desk 547 00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:33,500 and forgot about it for probably four years. 548 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,900 And I think it was around that time that I, you know, we had 549 00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:41,100 young kids and that kind of pulled the attention away for a 550 00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:45,199 while and and then eventually, you know I started doing a bit 551 00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,900 more painting and then got back into sculpting again. 552 00:34:47,900 --> 00:34:52,800 And again found myself drawn to I think by that stage 553 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:58,000 Kickstarter had become The thing and again I started seeing these 554 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,500 people doing these kickstarter's with all these figures. 555 00:35:00,500 --> 00:35:05,900 That that were yeah, that all right, but I thought my aux 556 00:35:05,900 --> 00:35:08,300 better than that me. Why don't? 557 00:35:08,300 --> 00:35:11,700 I just pull my finger out and do something and and I think the 558 00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:15,000 biggest thing that stopped me all that time was I thought my 559 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,000 stuff just wasn't good enough and why would anyone pay money 560 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,000 for that? You know and it was just it was 561 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:28,500 self-doubt and lack of Of self-confidence but I thought, 562 00:35:28,500 --> 00:35:32,100 no, I'm never going to. I don't want to die wondering 563 00:35:33,300 --> 00:35:35,000 and I'll never know if I never try. 564 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:42,600 So, I ended up talking to one of my mates that I knew makes it. 565 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,100 I met when I moved up here to the Sunshine Coast from Brisbane 566 00:35:47,500 --> 00:35:50,900 Zach. As accident, he used to be 567 00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:54,100 called mango Zach on the internet and had his own 568 00:35:54,100 --> 00:36:01,300 website. the resin addict and I asked him I said Mike can you do 569 00:36:01,300 --> 00:36:07,500 me a favor cast up some figures forming will rather cast up one 570 00:36:07,500 --> 00:36:10,800 of my figures for me because I've got no idea idea how to do 571 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:17,800 it and by that stage I had had sculpted a second figure which 572 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:26,200 was the Terminator as opposed to a terminator and that It was a 573 00:36:26,300 --> 00:36:31,400 auch parody. And again, you know, inspired by 574 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,000 Games Workshop, 10 boys, you know way back in the day that 575 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:42,200 they've stopped making. And so I made, you know what, I 576 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,700 thought a Terminator would have looked like if an orc made it 577 00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:50,000 and I thought I'll get him to make that one first because I 578 00:36:50,008 --> 00:36:51,700 really want to paint one. You know. 579 00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:56,100 And you know the the original that I've sculpted Was in bits 580 00:36:56,100 --> 00:36:58,400 and pieces. And I didn't want to sort of 581 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,100 just put it together, glue it, and then paint it and then just 582 00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:02,600 not be able to do anything with it. 583 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,800 So I thought, like, maybe people might like that, they might see 584 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,400 the humor in it and again, we'll give it a go. 585 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,600 I'll just see, try this one figure. 586 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:17,100 See how much it costs to get done and make a few casts and 587 00:37:17,100 --> 00:37:23,500 then, you know, see how it goes. So I did, you know, any cast 588 00:37:23,500 --> 00:37:27,400 this figure up for me? I think he Made made me 10 or 15 589 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,700 copies and, you know, I got them Flawless copies, I thought that 590 00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:36,900 was great. And and I thought well, that 591 00:37:36,900 --> 00:37:39,500 didn't cost that much. I mean, if I sell these for x 592 00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:43,600 amount, you know, I'll I'll basically cover my costs and 593 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,400 make a little bit of money out of it. 594 00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:48,600 And maybe I can sort of pay someone else to make another 595 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,300 mold for me, because he knew he was busy, he was just trying to 596 00:37:51,300 --> 00:37:54,800 help me. And so, I ended up I did I found 597 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,700 The guy I think he's based in Melbourne and he did, he send 598 00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:05,300 him down my Universal or to mold up and had some problems? 599 00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:08,100 You know, without mentioning his name or anything like that, I 600 00:38:08,100 --> 00:38:12,500 had some issues with getting the work done in a timely manner and 601 00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:16,800 things like that. But eventually he did it then 602 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,000 the cut the, you know, the mold was good at aiming like that in 603 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,300 the cast for good but I thought to myself, I don't want to go 604 00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:26,200 through that Hassler. Again, you know that that was 605 00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:31,600 like pulling teeth. So I thought, you know, I can't 606 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,000 ask Zach because he's busy because I think at that stage he 607 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:36,600 was still casting his own stuff as well. 608 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,700 So he didn't really have time to do stuff for me. 609 00:38:39,700 --> 00:38:43,600 And this guy that I, you know, asked in Melbourne, I couldn't 610 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,500 really rely on him to do more. So I thought I'm just going to 611 00:38:47,500 --> 00:38:49,800 need to learn another new skill set. 612 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,700 And so I asked Zach, again, I said, make, can you really do me 613 00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:56,000 a favor? Can Can you show me? 614 00:38:56,300 --> 00:39:00,600 You know, the ins and outs of mold making and resin casting 615 00:39:01,500 --> 00:39:05,600 and he said yep, happy too. And he said, have you read 616 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,600 everything on my you know, resin attics page and I said, yep. 617 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:14,000 Pretty much I said but I'm I'm better at learning if I see it 618 00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:17,200 rather than, you know. And I can ask questions while 619 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,800 it's going on rather than just watching it, you know, or 620 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,100 reading about it and he said, yeah, no problem. 621 00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:26,700 So anyway, he showed me how to make a mold He told me what 622 00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:30,900 equipment and I needed pointed me in the right direction and he 623 00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:36,800 saved me a ton of time and money in wasted resin wasted silicon. 624 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,900 And because he made all these mistakes himself when he first 625 00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:45,400 started, and he said, I can save you that, you know, that that 626 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:50,000 Hassle and wastage, because if you don't get told certain 627 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,700 things you will make the same mistakes and I think he was 628 00:39:53,700 --> 00:39:57,200 right. But anyway, yeah, okay, he 629 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,000 pointed me on the right track and I started making my own 630 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:06,000 molds. And, you know, that's now what 631 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:14,500 six years later, I've got over 100 figures in my range and its 632 00:40:14,500 --> 00:40:20,500 continuing to grow all the time. So, yeah, it's been a bit of a 633 00:40:20,508 --> 00:40:22,900 wild ride. Yeah, it's awesome to hear me. 634 00:40:22,900 --> 00:40:27,200 I'm really glad and really proud to To see you actually formed a 635 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,900 company mate, edible this at about like a hobby, you know? 636 00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:33,900 I mean like it's been grew but I think the most famous one of 637 00:40:33,900 --> 00:40:36,400 those, the product lines you have there. 638 00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:41,000 The Smurfs I like to call them the Smurfs but they'd like this 639 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:47,400 squats of the egg box. Big W, the egg whites only and 640 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:56,400 the the the squad looking good. Yes, Worf's. 641 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:01,200 There's there's a reason I call them sloths and well actually 642 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,100 the several reason I call them swaps. 643 00:41:03,700 --> 00:41:06,800 The first one was because I couldn't call them you know 644 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:11,200 squats or damn earring or what's the one that made it? 645 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,900 Call them forged by others or something like yeah obviously 646 00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:18,400 there's IP out there that you can't just take, you've got to 647 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:24,200 think of your own thing. Thus, Worf's, I named them that 648 00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:27,100 because I thought, Thought well, space to Worf what's short for 649 00:41:27,100 --> 00:41:31,000 space to Worf swarf and funnily enough. 650 00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:37,400 If you know anything about the engineering trade swarf is 651 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:42,100 actually the side effect of what comes out of a hole when you 652 00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:47,400 drill into it. So you may remember that from 653 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,300 from your old days at Coventry Fasteners. 654 00:41:50,300 --> 00:41:54,300 Josh, don't remind me that, don't remind me for God, but 655 00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:56,300 yes. Offers I just thought that was a 656 00:41:56,300 --> 00:42:02,700 nice dual meaning to you know, the name because I thought well, 657 00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:05,900 you know, dwarfs or space towards they meant to be Miners 658 00:42:05,900 --> 00:42:09,100 and fully into fabricating things and you know, 659 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,800 metalworking and, you know, all that sort of stuff and Drilling 660 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,600 and everything like that. And I thought well swarf is a 661 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,000 real thing. And the space to off is a non 662 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:23,800 real thing just calling source. So yeah class, you know? 663 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,500 I mean, Again, I mean, part of the reason why my range ended up 664 00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:35,100 evolving the way that it has stems back from a couple things. 665 00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:38,600 I mean, it was really a desire to make figures that Games 666 00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:43,900 Workshop never made. And you know, for example, you 667 00:42:43,908 --> 00:42:48,300 know, I mentioned that the Terminator, the space or parody 668 00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:53,500 of the Terminator. I always wished that Kevin 669 00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:57,200 Adams. Head of sculpted the full range 670 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:04,200 of races for 40K, not just the squat, the Elder and the Space 671 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,000 Marine that he did. So he did 310 boys. 672 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,500 I love those figures. I've got them, you know? 673 00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:13,300 And there they sit proudly on my shelf front and center in my 674 00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:16,200 origami and I love them. They're just awesome sculpts. 675 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,300 And I wished that he had just done all the other ones as well 676 00:43:21,300 --> 00:43:24,100 and that's why I thought. Well, he's not going to do it 677 00:43:24,100 --> 00:43:27,100 unless I I am and I couldn't, you know, at that time, I 678 00:43:27,107 --> 00:43:30,100 couldn't afford to sort of pay him to commission me, you know, 679 00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:32,300 private sculpts like that. So that I'll just give it a go 680 00:43:32,300 --> 00:43:34,600 myself. And so that's why the Terminator 681 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,800 came along. And then I did another Marine 682 00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,200 sort of version, but I call him a Marines with a zed and again, 683 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,000 that there are, you know, different to the old, you know, 684 00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,600 GW ones, but they're my own spin on that sort of stuff. 685 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:54,700 And And then I thought well you know it's not just those figures 686 00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:59,000 that I wished were done, you know, I wish they'd made more 687 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:06,000 squats in Exile because they only ever made for if you don't 688 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,800 count the unreleased one that, you know, they made several 689 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,600 years later. But originally, you know, in the 690 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,800 old Rogue Trader days, they made to Imperials Exile more squats 691 00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:20,500 and to chaos Exelon or squats and that's it. 692 00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:24,800 So the variety was pretty bloody small and I thought, well, why 693 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,200 didn't they make? You know, different variants of 694 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,900 the chaos, you know, factions and all more variations, and 695 00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:34,400 more weapons and things like that. 696 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,800 And you know, I love them. The look of the mirror. 697 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,100 Do, you know, they used to be called eggs on legs. 698 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,800 You know, that that was the, the, you know, colloquial name 699 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:48,400 for them or at least we're up m, in my gaming Circle anyway and I 700 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,000 thought, well, I want to increase my You know, eggs on 701 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,500 legs, and in my Army. So I'll make my own and I 702 00:44:54,508 --> 00:44:57,200 thought, well, that would be a pretty easy shape to start with 703 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,600 and something pretty easy to sculpt to start with and and, 704 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,800 and that's where they came from. So, I mean, it's a funny little 705 00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:09,600 story behind that to the range of egg Bots. 706 00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:15,400 That I've got, I think out of the 150 nods figures or so that 707 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:22,700 are in my range, probably 80. And But variance, maybe 85 egg 708 00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:29,200 white variance in some way and all of those variants stem back 709 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,200 from to egg bodies that I sculpted. 710 00:45:34,700 --> 00:45:38,700 And the majority are actually one of those, not the other one, 711 00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:42,600 so, I don't know. Do you ever remember the story 712 00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,400 that that Jays Goodwin used to tell about the Space Marine that 713 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,900 was used for everything? Not my night, please tell us, he 714 00:45:51,700 --> 00:45:55,300 back in the day, when he first started, you know, sculpting the 715 00:45:55,300 --> 00:46:00,900 new Space Marine range, he made a dolly or a basic Space Marine 716 00:46:01,300 --> 00:46:04,800 and that was used as like a dolly, like they cast up, you 717 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,100 know, 20 of them. And then he re sculpted and over 718 00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:11,500 sculpted all different variances, based on this one 719 00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:15,800 body. And every time they did it, it 720 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,300 had to get vulcanized again and You know with the vulcanization 721 00:46:19,300 --> 00:46:24,100 process with green stuff it can it can really sort of dark and 722 00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:29,700 discolor the the original Green. And anyway, I saw a picture once 723 00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,700 somewhere online where he showed this original manga, you know, 724 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,000 mangled old bloody Space Marine that are used as the basis for 725 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,600 everything. And, you know, again, like when 726 00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,700 he did these over sculpting and pose repositions and things like 727 00:46:43,700 --> 00:46:47,000 that, and then you'd over sculpt those other ones that had 728 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,600 sculpted and It's literally snowball will say from one 729 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,600 figure created hundreds of figures. 730 00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,900 So, you know, that's kind of what I've been doing with the 731 00:46:56,900 --> 00:47:02,500 egg box because I've never created a new egg bot literally 732 00:47:02,500 --> 00:47:05,300 from scratch. Since I made those two figures, 733 00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,900 every egg bought in my range has started from those two and it's 734 00:47:10,900 --> 00:47:15,300 been an over sculpt of and over sculpt or a conversion of an 735 00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:18,000 over sculpt. So it's just, yeah, it's It's, 736 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,400 it's a pretty cool and quick way of actually building up a range 737 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,800 without spending a hell of a lot of time making new stuff from 738 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,400 scratch. So that was the Xbox. 739 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,800 But you know, one other interesting thing with, you 740 00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:39,100 know, the whole swarf background is that, I'd always, you know, 741 00:47:39,100 --> 00:47:42,000 when I was making these egg Bots and thinking, okay, well, that'd 742 00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:46,900 be cool to add to my, you know, my old Squad will chaos quite 743 00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:50,700 Army. And I can play it by myself with 744 00:47:50,700 --> 00:47:53,300 my ex and stuff like that. Obviously don't need to go out 745 00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:57,700 into public or, you know, conventions or tournaments and 746 00:47:57,700 --> 00:48:02,100 stuff like that as play for fun. So it doesn't really matter but 747 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:06,700 I thought you know, I wouldn't mind actually having more squats 748 00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:12,300 and and I thought well maybe I'll do squats or my own version 749 00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:17,100 of squats one day and that said in the back of my mind for a 750 00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:22,700 while and And then funnily enough about, I don't know, 751 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,500 three, four months after I had that sort of thought about, you 752 00:48:25,500 --> 00:48:30,300 know, what I was going to do in that side of things that a fella 753 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:38,300 from the US, contact me and say, look, I'm wondering if you can 754 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,000 cast some figures for me. I was like, yeah, okay, no 755 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,200 problem. What's the, you know what's the 756 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,700 thing and long story short, he'd he'd bought the rights? 757 00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:57,200 To half a dozen bodies that Steve Marchant in the UK AKA in. 758 00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:02,000 So sculpted. Steve is he's been making his 759 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:07,600 own fan stops of squats for ages and funnily enough. 760 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,900 I'd actually seen his body's that, you know, this this guy 761 00:49:11,900 --> 00:49:16,100 had bought posted online probably a year or two earlier 762 00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:20,700 and thinking that's pretty cool. And and anyway, you know, this 763 00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:24,200 guy told me that he'd bought the rights to reproduce it and so on 764 00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,300 and so forth. And, you know, as long as Steve 765 00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:28,800 gets credit, for, you know, the original bodies and whatnot. 766 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,900 It's all good. So I thought, okay, well, that 767 00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:38,100 that actually gives me a good reason to start sculpting, you 768 00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:42,500 know, the, this Worf's because I've been putting it off and 769 00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:46,400 getting sidetracked with other Scopes that I've been doing and, 770 00:49:47,500 --> 00:49:50,800 and I say these these bodies turned up in the mail and you 771 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,600 know the Bauer just as they look like in the you know photos that 772 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,000 are remembered in that and I sort of said on them for a 773 00:49:56,008 --> 00:49:58,400 little while I'm thinking okay well what what I'm going to do 774 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,700 here, hemler do this. And I looked at them and they 775 00:50:05,100 --> 00:50:09,700 they weren't exactly my style and that that's no disrespect to 776 00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:11,600 Steve sculptor all that whatsoever. 777 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:16,000 But his sculpting style is different to my sculpting style, 778 00:50:17,300 --> 00:50:20,400 you know. Steve's the original figures had 779 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,400 quite a few rounded edges on them. 780 00:50:22,700 --> 00:50:25,000 They weren't sort of overly sharp. 781 00:50:25,100 --> 00:50:28,700 Like I like to get sharp detail on my figures. 782 00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:33,600 So what I ended up doing is actually making molds of the 783 00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,800 bodies instead of sort of, you know, over sculpting the, the 784 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,000 original bodies that I've been sent. 785 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,300 So I over sculpted, sorry, I'm old it up new bodies and then I 786 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:47,900 over sculpted and sharpened up the detail on these these All 787 00:50:47,900 --> 00:50:53,300 these that I made and you know sculpted some arms and new 788 00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:56,400 weapons and stuff and then sculpted a whole range of heads. 789 00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:59,500 So I think I've sculpted probably fine enough, 20 790 00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:03,500 different heads, all different kinds, you know, helmets, no 791 00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:07,700 helmets, sunglasses, no sunglasses Mohawks you know, 792 00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:13,100 baseball caps. You know, the Anzac style hats 793 00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:16,000 Safari hats. Like there's quite a few that 794 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,600 I've done that I actually haven't released yet. 795 00:51:17,700 --> 00:51:20,200 Yet. Sometimes I give them out in 796 00:51:20,500 --> 00:51:24,900 random packs of source when I sell them as extras, but I don't 797 00:51:24,900 --> 00:51:31,000 advertise them. So yeah, look it, it was a good 798 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,500 chance for me to put my own stamp on those Scopes. 799 00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:41,900 One thing that I ended up doing was give them a bit more bum. 800 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,600 Steve's sculpts had very flat. That he had that old man. 801 00:51:47,900 --> 00:51:50,600 I was like that literally, you looked at them from the side, 802 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,200 you know, side view. And they're kind of almost went 803 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,000 straight down and I thought now I've gotta go to do as I tell 804 00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,600 you something that's well describe. 805 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:06,300 Thank you very much Marcus. Um, yeah, so I over sculpted and 806 00:52:06,500 --> 00:52:09,000 did some more, you know, chopping and changing and what 807 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,800 not sharpened up some detail and things like that. 808 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:16,000 And and yeah, my made my own versions of them. 809 00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:20,300 And yeah, look I don't have too many in the range yet of those 810 00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:24,600 but I do have plans to do a lot more and including chaos. 811 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,400 Worf's because again, I mean, my original army was chaos squats 812 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,400 and whilst I do have imperial ones. 813 00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:34,900 I've got a lot more in the chaos side of things. 814 00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:40,000 So have expanded both of those but definitely going to meet be 815 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,800 making mutated versions of them, and evil-looking ones and horns, 816 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,900 and whatever, and Tails, and stuff like that. 817 00:52:46,900 --> 00:52:50,600 So, Look, there's plenty more on the, on the horizon there with 818 00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:55,000 them and I'm looking forward to doing, so, that's awesome, mate. 819 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,500 Well, that's wonderful has been really, really interesting. 820 00:52:57,500 --> 00:53:01,700 And I'm really happy for you about to see the rise of, we 821 00:53:01,700 --> 00:53:05,200 will Miniatures on Facebook because I know that's where it's 822 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,100 sort of primarily exists. Yeah, in the Facebook realm. 823 00:53:09,100 --> 00:53:12,600 So I'll definitely drop links in the show notes for people to go 824 00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,400 and check out where we'll where we've all Miniatures for 825 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:17,600 themselves to check out the full. 826 00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:20,500 All range because there's some really, really good quality 827 00:53:20,500 --> 00:53:24,400 stuff in there of what you've done there, mate over the years. 828 00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,800 And it's been interesting to see how that's sort of evolved, and 829 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,200 how it's grown in popularity, which has been really, really 830 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,400 good. Yeah, look, it's been 831 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,000 interesting and I've been able to sell, you know, Miniatures to 832 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,500 people from all over the world, like, usually everywhere. 833 00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,700 And, you know, even places like Alaska. 834 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,400 I just, I could just imagine someone sitting there painting 835 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,200 in like 100. Surrounded by nothing but white 836 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,900 snow and ice. And then, you know, since I had 837 00:53:52,900 --> 00:53:57,000 the website up and running ww-we're, we've all 838 00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:01,500 Miniatures.com. That's got all the whole range 839 00:54:01,500 --> 00:54:04,900 on it and and you stuff that is added. 840 00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:07,500 And when I have specials and things like that and sales, 841 00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:09,800 which I've had a couple of those which have gone down really 842 00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,400 well. Yeah, so and you know, when I 843 00:54:13,700 --> 00:54:18,500 find time, I'll update the blog and add new You little stories 844 00:54:18,500 --> 00:54:22,000 to it as well, so there's always sort of things being added to 845 00:54:22,008 --> 00:54:24,500 that. So, that's awesome. 846 00:54:24,900 --> 00:54:26,500 Yeah. Well, I'll leave, I'll leave a 847 00:54:26,508 --> 00:54:29,700 link to the external website as well as we're gonna check you 848 00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:31,300 out. Unfortunately, just run at a 849 00:54:31,308 --> 00:54:33,300 time, mate. So, thank you very much again 850 00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:35,400 for coming to join us again on the crown of command. 851 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,600 And I hope your business at well where we've all managers, if I 852 00:54:39,607 --> 00:54:42,900 can say it properly, it will continue to grow over the over 853 00:54:42,900 --> 00:54:44,500 the decades mate. So all the bad stuff. 854 00:54:45,100 --> 00:54:46,000 Yeah. Cheers. 855 00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:48,300 No problem. Okay, will you take Yourself in 856 00:54:48,300 --> 00:54:51,100 the family and I hope to see you in person to play some second 857 00:54:51,100 --> 00:54:52,900 division 40K at some point. Yeah. 858 00:54:53,100 --> 00:54:55,100 That'd be great. Let me that'd be the dream. 859 00:54:55,100 --> 00:54:57,000 A taro. Make sure you take care and you 860 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:58,800 to speak again soon. Okay. 861 00:54:59,100 --> 00:55:00,800 All right Jeff, see you next week. 862 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:01,200 Bye bye.