Yeah, it kind of fix joins me again from Australia.
I think I might, yeah pretty good.
Apologies in advance if I miss anything because I had a bit of
like a little break but I've tried to scramble through and
and make sure I've got a list of stuff to talk about, I guess the
first thing. I need to mention is that Mark
Smith basically gave away some Rule books in exchange for a
donation to cancer research, UK and ingerson and Davide provided
some donations and made a new home for these Rule books that
were given out for like 2nd Ed 40K and things like that.
So that's pretty generous and I think like all people Involve
there should pat yourself on the back because that's it's a good
good way to do a donation and receive something in return.
Well, done glass, I like it. Yeah that's an awesome awesome
initiative. So yeah.
Well done everybody involved with that.
That's that's amazing. Yeah, good work.
Now all over social media, Facebook, Etc, bring out your
lead 2022. Some insane pictures of
beautifully, painted rain, and battles, and models across the
board, across all games. I guess the thing that really
stands out for me, is, there was a talk versus ultramarines
battle with some amazing Terrain.
I'm sure you spotted that as well.
Yeah yeah I saw that I did. Yeah and I pretty cool selfie
from old man. Paints with some basically Games
Workshop celebrities marlys but you guys can check that out in
the Discord. Bring out your lid area.
I highly recommend. It got a good giggle out of me.
Yeah, well mine paints. He recently joined our Discord
after finding out how to join it.
Like he had no idea what Discord was.
His daughter went on about it. He said, what's this Discord
thinking on About. So yeah.
Old man old man paints. Finally joined us, he worked out
how to do it. How to work, how to change his
profile picture that kind of thing.
So yeah he's a really good guy. I met him through Instagram.
Yeah he's good. He's really good guy.
He was he was like sendhil descend like videos of him just
talking about stuff related to hobby or Hilda, sound like a
voice message. And I thought that's a really
weigh a good way of connecting with people, like his his
friends on Instagram. So I said, might come and On
this code. So he has and really good to see
this a good lot of old cameras, present on our discords now,
which is great. And yeah, bring out your lead.
I think it might have been the most successful one, especially
such a short time after, like, you know, all the lockdowns, our
stuff in the UK, but have like gerbils Johnson turn up.
And to check out the Revenge of the Doom Lord battle scenario
that he wrote and the guys are playing it like Dave and all the
other guys are Saying it that would have been a pretty
spectacular thing, I think. Awesome Circle and so-called to
yet, again, I'll use this term but live vicariously through the
photos and uploads that I saw from people.
So thanks very much for doing that.
Guys need to shout out. Happy birthday to my cell and
Joe the Guardsmen. I know it's well past now but,
you know, we had a hilarious time.
Wishing them, a happy birthday and we haven't seen You know,
Justin mustering of arms online on the Discord in the paint and
Chad. So come back home.
Justin! We miss you.
Yeah, I've, I mean, quite guilty of not being on there for a very
long time, so I'm going to try to make it on there.
Now it's my holidays, I have no excuse but I have been pretty
busy last three days, watching the end of stranger things, like
series for suddenly, my wife being hooked on And just finding
the time to watch that, after my son's going to bed and that kind
of stuff, so, but now there's no excuse, I'll have to go and say
hello to the guys there, and and see what they're up to.
Yep, come in and have a chat over on YouTube, Community
Channel. So, there's been some new
channels mentioned there big, small worlds, and on the lam
games, highly recommend. You just add, I guess soon as
you open up one of those links to those YouTube Pages, just
hit, subscribe, straight away. Like Because eventually, like
people are just going to be training out videos after
videos. It'll come into your feed.
It's definitely going to be something you're going to enjoy
to watch. So do that support everyone and
get a nice list of subscriptions going.
So your feeds not flooded with strange clips that the YouTube
algorithm thinks that you want to see.
It's all rubbish. Can they all right there, you
got that right? Oh yeah, it's really bad.
So What's happening with? I'll just touch on this briefly
but a lot of social media platforms are trying to become
Tick-Tock, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube clips.
They're all trying to cram in these rubbishy little 10 seconds
to 30 second clips and just flat everyone with its it's just
Mindless drivel fight against it.
Subscribe to things at me like that's them and always hit a
lie. Resistance, you have five
seconds? Put a comment in likes a great
video or something like that. It doesn't matter to support,
support, what you like, don't be brainwashed by this horrible
machines and watch, watch The Alex Jones.
Well, what's the Alex Jones trial?
That's absolutely hilarious. That's worth every penny, every
time, my God, I'll go there. But that might you be In might
just to break things up a bit but you've posted pictures with
Brandi, dog. You've actually played the game.
You're not even just talking about it.
You actually played it. Yeah, guilty as charged, so
myself, Brandy dog, mitosis fish, and wondering valve.
Are we got together and did sort of like a 2 V 2 game with some
Orcs and Jenn still has and terrain.
I made a very horrible PDF file that I put into the battle
reports section that you can squint.
And have a look at but yeah, we just basically cut it down, you
know, for term limits for by for battle game area, and no
psychics and just limited points and was very fun because we kept
things flowing, you know, we had a lot of reading and catching up
on the rules and just remembering how restrictive some
things were, but this a friendly match.
So you know, no weird rules allowing or Like that and lots
of hilarious things to do with vehicles.
Like people penetrating rhinos and not killing them as really
bizarre. And, and forgetting just how
tough vehicles and second edition were because that jump
from second edition, a third added.
Yeah things like rhinos were came complete rubbish.
No really tough and second is really strange but yeah, you can
check that out. I did manage to catch a bit of
the remote gaming that you were doing as well with the Manowar
game the other day and I noticed you did a hero, Hammer match and
compensation as well. So you've been really busy.
Oh yeah, we're trying to get some some games in of my
holidays. Always try to do that if I can
but yeah, I had a really good game with the Justin and Paul
that was in the first day of the holidays.
We thought we'd kick it off with a game of Warhammer fantasy
battle 5th edition. But with the flylo skulls twist,
And on the patreon, that videos up there now, it's like it just
like a, like a post turn kind of review of what happened each
turn. Now that's up there for those
guys who want to watch it and thanks for thanks for supporting
me guys. So enjoy that one.
But good news is they're going to come back on the 22nd because
Justin got another day off to come up here to play with Paul
and myself. I'm going to bring the same
list, maybe with a slight change.
And I think the The guys are going to change their wood elf
list as well. But one of the guys in the
community totter from Denmark, he wrote my list for me and it's
been just so awesome like he made up all the names of all the
characters and the unit names from The Wharf language lexicon
in the door 4th edition book so just hilarious stuff totally
unpronounceable. I can't read what they actually
say but I'll I've posted up that on the Discord of the entire
list. So we're going to play that
again. N on the 22nd.
So I'm really looking forward to that, because I really enjoyed
the guys coming up and playing a big game of one on the fantasy.
But yeah, played with Chris, again Manowar with this time.
The britannian fleet I've never played britannians before, he's
got a beautifully painted, full complete Fleet of that.
So, I took batting to the High Elves and had a really good
match with Chris that was yesterday yesterday morning.
Really enjoyed that and I played some Confrontation with Paul as
a year, since we played a game of that, so really enjoy that.
I'm just now uploading the video to the YouTube channel.
I had some difficulties with it last night.
Some reason, it was only uploading an hour of the one
hour and 40 minute video, but it seems to be going well now, so
that's cool. So look out for that very
shortly. But yeah, made are been having
lots of lots of fun playing games and, you know, sort of
dreaming of the projects that I want to fulfill but just not
having the time to body do Oh though mate.
Yeah you really got to chip away at these things and just do a
little bit of planning and then hopefully it'll falls into
place. Yeah, Mike.
Yeah, absolutely, but I love seeing like the bring out your
lead. Like watching that scenario that
Dave put together with a lot of other guys.
But I think mainly, Dave did all the Dave Gilson he painted all
the armies, he made all the terrain, you know, seeing
something that coming to coming together.
It's really inspirational and it's You know it's getting me
inspired to do some do something like that.
All start on doing some scenarios like battle for you
skate and that kind of thing in the works.
But yeah might have been talking about for ages but like you say
you got to start somewhere and you've got a really cheap at it
like 30 minutes a day kind of thing to realize these sort of
projects a Yeah. I mean for myself I'm hoping to
eventually get a regular gaming session done, maybe every month,
minimum one day within a year. So that's that's the goal at the
moment. I've learned if you can paint
these things and work on them and then actually get a game in,
that's that's the best, that's the best feeling in it.
Like, you see them, but I know, I really like to see ya.
You'll tyranids against Brandi dogs space walls and be quite
cool. Oh yeah, that'll be crazy one
day when I promise, well, gotta fix you won't be disappointed
because today, I've got a very good old friend of mine and he's
part of who's the main person behind where we've or
Miniatures, people may have been will make may have seen his work
on Facebook or on his external site at a Facebook.
Basically, he has designed the Of Miniatures based on the 40K
universe, so think of like squats and aux and mainly,
mainly squat. So he's got like this egg Bots
type designs which are like guys and exo-armor and that kind of
thing doors and exo-armor. So he's done a lot of that and I
think. Yeah, you really like this kind
of chat back in time into playing 40K with your old Squad
armies. And you'd want to know if you
wanted more designs or more variation in your in your units
or this is the way to do it because Marcus is designing them
in casting resin and selling them.
So, look forward to bring that interview to everybody very
shortly and yeah, getting getting in touch with him, go to
the show notes, you'll find the links there to his site and so
you can check out his full catalog of models and and order
a way. So yeah, and let's be honest,
they'll be a hundred times better than the current squats
that GW has decided to put out. Which are horrible and generic
and then audience outside needs. They don't even have beards.
What is going on? And those this like, those, I am
there's a Kickstarter recently life from Ginger beard.
He did some, they look awesome. They look fantastic, but the
price is so prohibitive of things like 80 Euros or
something like 45 guys, unfortunately.
But yeah, that was that was the, that was the only one I can
think of that. Would that really, you know, Did
them Justice that look like the kind of second edition.
The ones used that featured on The Dark One idiom inside
covers. They had those two unreleased
squats. Yeah, those ones I absolutely
love. I mean, that, that that
epitomizes what, I think squat should look like in 40K more so
than the road Trader ones. But yeah, I really really love
that design. So anybody can pull that off,
I'll get asked Marcus to do, that is actually based on those
ones from second edition. I think you learned, A great
time and great success in doing those but even Marcus is playing
second edition 40K. So it's the bug is sort of
caught on to him as well and he's got his old collections out
and playing with his Elder and aux now.
So he's really busy. Painting up his old collection
of pile of pile of Shame, a pile of lead.
So that's really awesome to see mates.
So yeah, I'm really happy to see people playing games.
Yeah, it can't wait to listen to that.
Well, they will that further Ado, let's get on with the
interview and let's see what Marcus has to say.
So thanks again. Awesome.
Thanks for joining me again. This week.
Sorry for the lateness of this recording.
I'm of this podcast coming out. But yeah, basically, when I get
an interview lined up, we can, we can release it.
If we don't have one, well, then you'll just have to wait.
Unfortunately, but luckily. We've got a couple lined up
already. So yeah, and sit back, enjoy.
We enjoy guys and let's listen to what Marcus has to say.
Okay, I might take care until next time, kind of fix will do
and a big shout-out to everyone who's posting up their Minis and
Discord. Thanks very much, guys.
Enjoyed it. Yeah, guys, thanks for joining
the, the communities we have online, and please keep in
spite, keep being inspired and keep producing and keep enjoying
a hobby, okay? Until then, take care guys.
Bye sir. Let's do this.
Thanks again for joining us again.
Marcus, whether we wish you a key trying to tap our times up
mate. But we're lucky because Japan
and Australia only like an hour away.
Yes, it's very serendipitous, it is indeed.
But we've been good friends for a long time, and if people
haven't listened to our chat with yourself and Bradley,
that's on another podcast about gunners.
Lane. Isn't it in London?
It goes real and to London back in the good old days when we
were young and had no gray hair, well speak for yourself.
A I'll get no gray here. I can just hear your sultry
voice. That's right.
But yeah we started off way back in the mid 90s we went over to
London and 94. Yeah and maybe but at we Met
obviously before that. So how did how did you actually
get into like wargaming and that kind of thing?
Wargaming was a Natural Evolution from role-playing.
When I was about 13 in high school, I remember sitting there
listening to a couple kids talking about dragons and ogres
and killing these things and you know, leveling up and what, and
I had no idea what they were talking about, but it intrigued
me because I was always a big Fan of fantasy.
And and so I eavesdropped in on their conversation and, you
know, the longer I listened, the more intrigued I got it
eventually. I plucked up the courage and
said, well, you know, what are you talking about?
And they more or less tried to brush me off, you know?
And I said, no, no, I'm actually interested.
What, what are you, what are you talking about?
And so they they gave me a, you know, a bit of a rundown of, you
know, ice Dungeons and Dragons and this that and the other.
I thought, well, that sounds pretty cool.
And kind of left it at that and then, you know, a couple days
later I heard them talking about it again.
And again, I sort of started asking questions and long story
short got into their D&D group, absolutely loved.
It got really hooked on it, and we played that for years,
probably for the next five or six years, we played, you know,
and, you know, some of the marathon sessions that we had
were just, you know, the things you look back on really fondly.
as an adult, you know, from some of the great things you did when
you were a kid, was the old D&D sessions and then we had a lot
of fun but you know, that that recreation in the mind was more
sort of put into a 3D view when when you know the DM started
using some figures to represent, you know, our characters in The
Monsters and what not and I've never really seen them and so I
was quite White interested in them and then one of my other
mates, his older brother was playing 40K and I went over
there one day and saw them playing this game and I was just
blown away like it, I'd never seen anything like it.
It was like, you know, it was almost like looking at, you
know, that the handful of figures that we've been using
for D and D but Times by 100 because, you know, they had like
40 or 50 figures. each side and it was all over this massive
table with full of terrain that look like it you know you know
miniature landscape which just it just totally ignited my
imagination and I you know it certainly helped that one of the
guys could actually paint quite well and I was utterly
fascinated by the figures and and then I kind of got hooked on
that and Yeah, but that's how basically I sort of got into it
and you know like everyone when I first started painting
miniatures, I was pretty ordinary.
Think most of us are, you know, unless you've got a savant
ability or have a really, really good teacher, helping you from
the very first figure you paint, you know, you go through a lot
of trial and error and you know, watching other people.
And yeah, I suppose bearing in mind to back then when you and I
were Getting into painting. The only thing we really had to
refer to was either our friends or white dwarf.
And, you know, I don't know about you Josh, but for me,
seeing the original stuff in white dwarf, was it seemed
unachievable? It just seems so good.
And so far ahead of anything that I was doing at that point
that I just saw know when the world I'll ever get to sort of
that standard or anything like that.
And, but, yeah, look obviously Things change when you put a bit
of effort and time into it and ask questions and get the right
advice and see other people's examples and you get better.
And I mean without I'm going to probably end up mentioning the
evil overlords Games Workshop a few times in this this chat
Josh. But I'll try to refrain where
possible but there's no no secret that most Gamers have
there. Origins in Games, Workshop
games, certainly from, you know, 20, 30 years ago anyway, because
they backed them, they were the pretty much the Kings there was
not a hell of a lot of competition and many of us had
our roots in, you know, in their games.
And yeah I mean obviously you and I met through through that
through the gaming and the Miniatures and painted stuff.
And and you know, obviously we've been friends ever since
And our own sort of personal painting Journey for one of a
better term, is also sort of gone through all sorts of
different, you know, iterations and Heights.
You know, and obviously, back when you and I were living in
London with Brad and you ended up getting the job at Games
Workshop, in the, every male Studio.
I was so stoked for you. I just thought that was awesome,
you know, because You know, when you and I first, I suppose met
our painting abilities were pretty much on a par and yeah.
And, you know, when you went to the heavy metal Studio, I just
saw your painting sort of go through the roof and after, you
know, you finished your stint there, even though it was
relatively short it, I think it expanded your repertoire so to
speak and that spurred me on to sort of You know, do better and
and then of course, eventually in 1998, they finally ended up
holding a the first gold of demon competition in Australia.
And yeah, I think you entered the first one.
I didn't go down that first one I went to the second one and,
you know, many more after that but that competition spurred me
at least on to be, as good as I possibly could be.
And that was my main focus was. Come competitive painting for
the next 10, 12 years and then then, for whatever reason, they
pulled the pin on it and there was no more Games Workshop.
Sorry golden demoness in Australia and not long after
that, you know, they pulled the pin on it in many other
countries and only ended up having it in the UK.
And I think it's only in the last what year that they've
actually open it up again to the US.
But yeah, I mean, long story short there as I said you know
that the The first thing that got me into it was was role
playing and it just evolved from there but I suppose, you know,
the next logical question, you might be thinking after that is
Will what? What made you start sculpting
and it literally follows on from from the ending of golden demon
in Australia. You know when they stopped
holding it I was you know I had probably another Dozen injuries
planned for the next few years and they pulled the pin on it
and I thought, well buggy, yeah, you know why should I paint your
figures and why should I do you any favor in it?
If you've just pulled the rug out from under me and all of the
other painters, you know, around Australia that loved you know
competing and you know meeting up every year and doing, you
know, encouraging each other and doing the best we could and
things like that. And unfortunately, at that,
Point. There was no other real sort of
prestigious painting competitions around.
So, you know, there was plenty of plenty of other Regional
competitions in each state, where you'd have, you know, like
in Sydney they had a couple, like, Moab and in Canberra they
had can con and things like that, but none of them were on
the sort of same level of exposure, or, or level of
competition, as what, you know. Goddamn demon was so Anyway, you
know, after that, I just thought to myself, well, maybe I can
start doing more of my own thing for starters and I think, you
know, I'm not the only one in that respect because many many
other painters I used to compete against went on to do their own
thing as well. I mean, two of the top of my
head Victoria lamb, you know, with her, Victoria Miniatures
and Sebastian, Archer with his veiled lamp and before that I
think was Guild of harm. Annie and a few other iterations
before that. But, you know, there's a couple
of us, you know, that ended up sculpting arrow and figures and
and and and you know, that was our Prime Focus or creative
Focus instead of painting for gold demon.
So yeah, that was that, was that Yeah, it's good memories
actually from Golden Demon Days on it.
From like, what I remember always paint is being like the
Forum the Australian form. Yeah, I think those
International forbidden, but yeah, we have a lot of people at
Sebastian Archer on there, man. That guy could paint could me
like, wow, he is like a prodigy that guy.
Yeah, look, dude, you know, he, the first time I saw him, enter
was literally the first time he entered, and he won the sword.
But the figure that he entered I was just blown away.
I'd never seen anything. Even in the UK, when I went to
some of the golden demons there, I'd never seen anything as good.
You know he did this. I think it was a word Bearer
Chaplin and it had all this free hand on it and he did a lot of
his own sculpting and converting on it and things like that.
And you know, the only thing that I could pick on from a
critical perspective was some of the sculpting on the face was a
little Little bit cartoonish, but that was just me and my, my
homes and, you know nitpicking, but the painting was Flawless
and I just I was stunned. And you know, I wasn't surprised
at all the one, the sword that year and I certainly wasn't
surprised in the several years after that, that he won a few
more. So and again beyond that for
him, you know, doing more sculpting, it was a logical.
Evolution for him, to start up his own, you know, sculpting
company. Because I think some of his dog
demon entries. You know, after that ended up
being false Cults, like I think he ended up going to the golden
demon, the UK and winning gold with a full scratch-built skaven
and also a scratch-built nergal Terminator or something like
that. But yeah, look at that were
phenomenal. And Yeah, he's kind of bath.
I mean, there's there's a couple others of, you know, seen in the
last few years, sort of crop up which one in particular and I'm
going to use sort of heard of him or not but Cole.
Well what's his first name? David Cole.
Well okay everybody this guy, yeah yeah he's fine, he's in
Melbourne but Some of his stuff is just Sublime, it really is.
Like I've been doing a few painting tutorials over the last
two years. You know, I'll just hold these
classes where, you know, we cap it at 10 people and we go for
about three or four hours and go through all the, you know, a 2-0
of of painting and whatnot. Mainly I aimed at for sort of
beginners to intermediate, but at the end of that, I usually
give everyone a list. Of practice exercises they can
do but also give information about things and places they can
look at and miniature painters they whose work they can.
Look at if they you know Google it and yeah look both you know
both Sebastian and and Dave's name is on that list so you know
it's good to see if you Aziz on the list.
I mean obviously there's a bunch of other International painters
as well but Yeah look at this, you know, I think that if he was
painting back then when I was competing, if I was in the same
you know, category I'd get blown away.
But now look, it was good. Funny it pushed my abilities,
you know, I mean, I love, I'm a naturally competitive person.
I suppose whether I like it or not and, you know, I try to sort
of do things in the right spirit and not be a sore winner or a
sore loser, but I do like I do like a bit of competition.
And that's why I love to live going to go.
And even each year was it was a. It was a reason for me to push
myself with my painting because I think without it, I don't
think I would've pushed myself anywhere near as much as I did.
And certainly wouldn't have really sculpted because again,
you know, like Sebastian and you know Vic as well the full
sculpting you know was an evolution from converting
figures and you know making your own Unique Ones based on just
chopping and changing and adding a few bits and sculpting new
faces or weapons or pouches. And backpacks.
You know, simple stuff to, you know, the first attempts at full
scratch builds. I mean, I did do a few attempts
when I was a lot younger, but they were always pretty
ordinary. I know and because I think
Because I will marry. I was, I suppose a bit one of
tho disheartened because I didn't have any help.
I didn't have anyone guiding me, although, I could sort of ask
for help or show me how to do things.
So I was always again self-taught, you know, watching
reference of other stuff and things like that.
So some of my, you know, first sculpts were crap really.
I mean, that was they really were, I still kept them alive.
I've got all my old sculpts, I've never thrown anything away.
But you probably don't remember Josh but I think I actually
ended up. I sculpted one or two figures
waiting and not him. You Scott, you like in London,
sorry you scared you sculpted the Squig bombs enough.
Yes, you have it with those. Yeah, so there was those and but
even before that, there was two two figures, it was a goblin and
a dwarf and they were terrible. Like, I'm like I'm sitting here
at my desk looking at across it. Where they are on the shelf and
they're terrible. But yeah, they're completely
made out of milliput. I had no idea about the
properties of how to sculpt that and what tools to use and things
like that. I think I'd be using a needle
and a toothpick or something like that.
But yeah, look, it started off very slowly and small and then I
sort of put them away for a while and then after five or six
years of no gold demon, I was just pottering around doing my
own thing doing a bit of painting of armies and stuff
like that, excuse me. And and then I got the urge to
do something a bit different with sculpting and I'd seen a
few other people online. Give it a go and and funnily
enough again, I think it was the competitive streak in me.
I was seeing people Bringing it Their Own Line of figures or
their own little ranges of figures that I felt were.
And I really don't want this to come across as arrogant, but I
thought they're pretty ornery. And and, you know, I thought
that if they can do that and make money out of it, surely
some of the pretty ordinary ones that I've got sitting on my
shelf. You know, may be able to sell
also and but I wasn't happy with what I was sculpting.
I mean You know, I thought my stuff was pretty order as well,
but it did give me the impetus to pull my finger out and
actually start getting better at sculpting.
So I did I started sculpting and you know doing more and pushing
the boundaries and then I I sort of ended up sculpting this this
talk which later went on to be the second figure in my range of
where we've If she's and call it the universal awk because it was
never designed or intended to be a knockoff of anyone's you know,
Aesthetics or anything like that from any other gaming company.
Like I wasn't trying to copy Games Workshop or copy Privateer
Press or you know whoever I just wanted to make my own orc and
make it look a bit different and and so I did.
And anyway I was pretty happy with How that turned out but I
ended up Chuck and it in the in the Shelf you know in my desk
and forgot about it for probably four years.
And I think it was around that time that I, you know, we had
young kids and that kind of pulled the attention away for a
while and and then eventually, you know I started doing a bit
more painting and then got back into sculpting again.
And again found myself drawn to I think by that stage
Kickstarter had become The thing and again I started seeing these
people doing these kickstarter's with all these figures.
That that were yeah, that all right, but I thought my aux
better than that me. Why don't?
I just pull my finger out and do something and and I think the
biggest thing that stopped me all that time was I thought my
stuff just wasn't good enough and why would anyone pay money
for that? You know and it was just it was
self-doubt and lack of Of self-confidence but I thought,
no, I'm never going to. I don't want to die wondering
and I'll never know if I never try.
So, I ended up talking to one of my mates that I knew makes it.
I met when I moved up here to the Sunshine Coast from Brisbane
Zach. As accident, he used to be
called mango Zach on the internet and had his own
website. the resin addict and I asked him I said Mike can you do
me a favor cast up some figures forming will rather cast up one
of my figures for me because I've got no idea idea how to do
it and by that stage I had had sculpted a second figure which
was the Terminator as opposed to a terminator and that It was a
auch parody. And again, you know, inspired by
Games Workshop, 10 boys, you know way back in the day that
they've stopped making. And so I made, you know what, I
thought a Terminator would have looked like if an orc made it
and I thought I'll get him to make that one first because I
really want to paint one. You know.
And you know the the original that I've sculpted Was in bits
and pieces. And I didn't want to sort of
just put it together, glue it, and then paint it and then just
not be able to do anything with it.
So I thought, like, maybe people might like that, they might see
the humor in it and again, we'll give it a go.
I'll just see, try this one figure.
See how much it costs to get done and make a few casts and
then, you know, see how it goes. So I did, you know, any cast
this figure up for me? I think he Made made me 10 or 15
copies and, you know, I got them Flawless copies, I thought that
was great. And and I thought well, that
didn't cost that much. I mean, if I sell these for x
amount, you know, I'll I'll basically cover my costs and
make a little bit of money out of it.
And maybe I can sort of pay someone else to make another
mold for me, because he knew he was busy, he was just trying to
help me. And so, I ended up I did I found
The guy I think he's based in Melbourne and he did, he send
him down my Universal or to mold up and had some problems?
You know, without mentioning his name or anything like that, I
had some issues with getting the work done in a timely manner and
things like that. But eventually he did it then
the cut the, you know, the mold was good at aiming like that in
the cast for good but I thought to myself, I don't want to go
through that Hassler. Again, you know that that was
like pulling teeth. So I thought, you know, I can't
ask Zach because he's busy because I think at that stage he
was still casting his own stuff as well.
So he didn't really have time to do stuff for me.
And this guy that I, you know, asked in Melbourne, I couldn't
really rely on him to do more. So I thought I'm just going to
need to learn another new skill set.
And so I asked Zach, again, I said, make, can you really do me
a favor? Can Can you show me?
You know, the ins and outs of mold making and resin casting
and he said yep, happy too. And he said, have you read
everything on my you know, resin attics page and I said, yep.
Pretty much I said but I'm I'm better at learning if I see it
rather than, you know. And I can ask questions while
it's going on rather than just watching it, you know, or
reading about it and he said, yeah, no problem.
So anyway, he showed me how to make a mold He told me what
equipment and I needed pointed me in the right direction and he
saved me a ton of time and money in wasted resin wasted silicon.
And because he made all these mistakes himself when he first
started, and he said, I can save you that, you know, that that
Hassle and wastage, because if you don't get told certain
things you will make the same mistakes and I think he was
right. But anyway, yeah, okay, he
pointed me on the right track and I started making my own
molds. And, you know, that's now what
six years later, I've got over 100 figures in my range and its
continuing to grow all the time. So, yeah, it's been a bit of a
wild ride. Yeah, it's awesome to hear me.
I'm really glad and really proud to To see you actually formed a
company mate, edible this at about like a hobby, you know?
I mean like it's been grew but I think the most famous one of
those, the product lines you have there.
The Smurfs I like to call them the Smurfs but they'd like this
squats of the egg box. Big W, the egg whites only and
the the the squad looking good. Yes, Worf's.
There's there's a reason I call them sloths and well actually
the several reason I call them swaps.
The first one was because I couldn't call them you know
squats or damn earring or what's the one that made it?
Call them forged by others or something like yeah obviously
there's IP out there that you can't just take, you've got to
think of your own thing. Thus, Worf's, I named them that
because I thought, Thought well, space to Worf what's short for
space to Worf swarf and funnily enough.
If you know anything about the engineering trade swarf is
actually the side effect of what comes out of a hole when you
drill into it. So you may remember that from
from your old days at Coventry Fasteners.
Josh, don't remind me that, don't remind me for God, but
yes. Offers I just thought that was a
nice dual meaning to you know, the name because I thought well,
you know, dwarfs or space towards they meant to be Miners
and fully into fabricating things and you know,
metalworking and, you know, all that sort of stuff and Drilling
and everything like that. And I thought well swarf is a
real thing. And the space to off is a non
real thing just calling source. So yeah class, you know?
I mean, Again, I mean, part of the reason why my range ended up
evolving the way that it has stems back from a couple things.
I mean, it was really a desire to make figures that Games
Workshop never made. And you know, for example, you
know, I mentioned that the Terminator, the space or parody
of the Terminator. I always wished that Kevin
Adams. Head of sculpted the full range
of races for 40K, not just the squat, the Elder and the Space
Marine that he did. So he did 310 boys.
I love those figures. I've got them, you know?
And there they sit proudly on my shelf front and center in my
origami and I love them. They're just awesome sculpts.
And I wished that he had just done all the other ones as well
and that's why I thought. Well, he's not going to do it
unless I I am and I couldn't, you know, at that time, I
couldn't afford to sort of pay him to commission me, you know,
private sculpts like that. So that I'll just give it a go
myself. And so that's why the Terminator
came along. And then I did another Marine
sort of version, but I call him a Marines with a zed and again,
that there are, you know, different to the old, you know,
GW ones, but they're my own spin on that sort of stuff.
And And then I thought well you know it's not just those figures
that I wished were done, you know, I wish they'd made more
squats in Exile because they only ever made for if you don't
count the unreleased one that, you know, they made several
years later. But originally, you know, in the
old Rogue Trader days, they made to Imperials Exile more squats
and to chaos Exelon or squats and that's it.
So the variety was pretty bloody small and I thought, well, why
didn't they make? You know, different variants of
the chaos, you know, factions and all more variations, and
more weapons and things like that.
And you know, I love them. The look of the mirror.
Do, you know, they used to be called eggs on legs.
You know, that that was the, the, you know, colloquial name
for them or at least we're up m, in my gaming Circle anyway and I
thought, well, I want to increase my You know, eggs on
legs, and in my Army. So I'll make my own and I
thought, well, that would be a pretty easy shape to start with
and something pretty easy to sculpt to start with and and,
and that's where they came from. So, I mean, it's a funny little
story behind that to the range of egg Bots.
That I've got, I think out of the 150 nods figures or so that
are in my range, probably 80. And But variance, maybe 85 egg
white variance in some way and all of those variants stem back
from to egg bodies that I sculpted.
And the majority are actually one of those, not the other one,
so, I don't know. Do you ever remember the story
that that Jays Goodwin used to tell about the Space Marine that
was used for everything? Not my night, please tell us, he
back in the day, when he first started, you know, sculpting the
new Space Marine range, he made a dolly or a basic Space Marine
and that was used as like a dolly, like they cast up, you
know, 20 of them. And then he re sculpted and over
sculpted all different variances, based on this one
body. And every time they did it, it
had to get vulcanized again and You know with the vulcanization
process with green stuff it can it can really sort of dark and
discolor the the original Green. And anyway, I saw a picture once
somewhere online where he showed this original manga, you know,
mangled old bloody Space Marine that are used as the basis for
everything. And, you know, again, like when
he did these over sculpting and pose repositions and things like
that, and then you'd over sculpt those other ones that had
sculpted and It's literally snowball will say from one
figure created hundreds of figures.
So, you know, that's kind of what I've been doing with the
egg box because I've never created a new egg bot literally
from scratch. Since I made those two figures,
every egg bought in my range has started from those two and it's
been an over sculpt of and over sculpt or a conversion of an
over sculpt. So it's just, yeah, it's It's,
it's a pretty cool and quick way of actually building up a range
without spending a hell of a lot of time making new stuff from
scratch. So that was the Xbox.
But you know, one other interesting thing with, you
know, the whole swarf background is that, I'd always, you know,
when I was making these egg Bots and thinking, okay, well, that'd
be cool to add to my, you know, my old Squad will chaos quite
Army. And I can play it by myself with
my ex and stuff like that. Obviously don't need to go out
into public or, you know, conventions or tournaments and
stuff like that as play for fun. So it doesn't really matter but
I thought you know, I wouldn't mind actually having more squats
and and I thought well maybe I'll do squats or my own version
of squats one day and that said in the back of my mind for a
while and And then funnily enough about, I don't know,
three, four months after I had that sort of thought about, you
know, what I was going to do in that side of things that a fella
from the US, contact me and say, look, I'm wondering if you can
cast some figures for me. I was like, yeah, okay, no
problem. What's the, you know what's the
thing and long story short, he'd he'd bought the rights?
To half a dozen bodies that Steve Marchant in the UK AKA in.
So sculpted. Steve is he's been making his
own fan stops of squats for ages and funnily enough.
I'd actually seen his body's that, you know, this this guy
had bought posted online probably a year or two earlier
and thinking that's pretty cool. And and anyway, you know, this
guy told me that he'd bought the rights to reproduce it and so on
and so forth. And, you know, as long as Steve
gets credit, for, you know, the original bodies and whatnot.
It's all good. So I thought, okay, well, that
that actually gives me a good reason to start sculpting, you
know, the, this Worf's because I've been putting it off and
getting sidetracked with other Scopes that I've been doing and,
and I say these these bodies turned up in the mail and you
know the Bauer just as they look like in the you know photos that
are remembered in that and I sort of said on them for a
little while I'm thinking okay well what what I'm going to do
here, hemler do this. And I looked at them and they
they weren't exactly my style and that that's no disrespect to
Steve sculptor all that whatsoever.
But his sculpting style is different to my sculpting style,
you know. Steve's the original figures had
quite a few rounded edges on them.
They weren't sort of overly sharp.
Like I like to get sharp detail on my figures.
So what I ended up doing is actually making molds of the
bodies instead of sort of, you know, over sculpting the, the
original bodies that I've been sent.
So I over sculpted, sorry, I'm old it up new bodies and then I
over sculpted and sharpened up the detail on these these All
these that I made and you know sculpted some arms and new
weapons and stuff and then sculpted a whole range of heads.
So I think I've sculpted probably fine enough, 20
different heads, all different kinds, you know, helmets, no
helmets, sunglasses, no sunglasses Mohawks you know,
baseball caps. You know, the Anzac style hats
Safari hats. Like there's quite a few that
I've done that I actually haven't released yet.
Yet. Sometimes I give them out in
random packs of source when I sell them as extras, but I don't
advertise them. So yeah, look it, it was a good
chance for me to put my own stamp on those Scopes.
One thing that I ended up doing was give them a bit more bum.
Steve's sculpts had very flat. That he had that old man.
I was like that literally, you looked at them from the side,
you know, side view. And they're kind of almost went
straight down and I thought now I've gotta go to do as I tell
you something that's well describe.
Thank you very much Marcus. Um, yeah, so I over sculpted and
did some more, you know, chopping and changing and what
not sharpened up some detail and things like that.
And and yeah, my made my own versions of them.
And yeah, look I don't have too many in the range yet of those
but I do have plans to do a lot more and including chaos.
Worf's because again, I mean, my original army was chaos squats
and whilst I do have imperial ones.
I've got a lot more in the chaos side of things.
So have expanded both of those but definitely going to meet be
making mutated versions of them, and evil-looking ones and horns,
and whatever, and Tails, and stuff like that.
So, Look, there's plenty more on the, on the horizon there with
them and I'm looking forward to doing, so, that's awesome, mate.
Well, that's wonderful has been really, really interesting.
And I'm really happy for you about to see the rise of, we
will Miniatures on Facebook because I know that's where it's
sort of primarily exists. Yeah, in the Facebook realm.
So I'll definitely drop links in the show notes for people to go
and check out where we'll where we've all Miniatures for
themselves to check out the full.
All range because there's some really, really good quality
stuff in there of what you've done there, mate over the years.
And it's been interesting to see how that's sort of evolved, and
how it's grown in popularity, which has been really, really
good. Yeah, look, it's been
interesting and I've been able to sell, you know, Miniatures to
people from all over the world, like, usually everywhere.
And, you know, even places like Alaska.
I just, I could just imagine someone sitting there painting
in like 100. Surrounded by nothing but white
snow and ice. And then, you know, since I had
the website up and running ww-we're, we've all
Miniatures.com. That's got all the whole range
on it and and you stuff that is added.
And when I have specials and things like that and sales,
which I've had a couple of those which have gone down really
well. Yeah, so and you know, when I
find time, I'll update the blog and add new You little stories
to it as well, so there's always sort of things being added to
that. So, that's awesome.
Yeah. Well, I'll leave, I'll leave a
link to the external website as well as we're gonna check you
out. Unfortunately, just run at a
time, mate. So, thank you very much again
for coming to join us again on the crown of command.
And I hope your business at well where we've all managers, if I
can say it properly, it will continue to grow over the over
the decades mate. So all the bad stuff.
Yeah. Cheers.
No problem. Okay, will you take Yourself in
the family and I hope to see you in person to play some second
division 40K at some point. Yeah.
That'd be great. Let me that'd be the dream.
A taro. Make sure you take care and you
to speak again soon. Okay.
All right Jeff, see you next week.
Bye bye.