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So yeah. 
This is Josh and I'm joined here

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with carnufex. 
How you going mate? 

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Yeah, pretty good. 
Excellent, excellent. 

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Good to hear? 
Yeah, it's Sunday, it's Sunday. 

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Now, it's Sunday here in Japan 
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drag car fix out of his 
slumbering hobby room to go 

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through some wonderful people in
our YouTube Community, normally,

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you know, kind of X gives a 
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happening on our Discord or 
social media. 

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But This time we're going to do 
a little something, a little bit

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special going to just highlight 
some people out there on YouTube

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that don't have, you know, two 
hundred plus thousand 

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subscribers and who are doing 
some really good stuff out there

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in the Hobby World and yeah, 
well highlight them and and 

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hopefully get some more subs for
them or get them. 

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Get them to be more, encouraged 
about making making or get more 

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acknowledgement for making the 
videos they make. 

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So mate, why would you want to 
start with goblin? 

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Green is a goblin Green Bay. 
See ya. 

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So basically, goblin Green. 
You guys might be on his 

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Instagram, and he's recently 
made a YouTube channel painting,

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basically, like 2nd Ed models 
and seconded schemes. 

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And he just finished doing a big
I've with midwinter minis which 

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is a huge like Hobby and 
Warhammer Games, Workshop sort 

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of focused channel. 
So it's good to see him come out

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of Instagram and straight into 
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Fierce fee, is very talented 
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So here's Chad says basically 
goblin Green as one word and it 

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just got the one video so far, 
but yeah, I'm really Keen to see

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what else he paints, because 
it's a good always. 

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A good guide, especially these 
first videos called painting 

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read like, it's 1994. 
And yeah, no no bullshit. 

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It's quite good. 
Awesome. 

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I'm not actually subscribed to 
that yet. 

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I do I have to do it tonight 
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track down his, like, the URL 
for it, and that kind of things 

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are put in the, in the show 
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So, yeah, all the people we talk
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Just look at the description in 
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And you'll see a massive amount 
of names and links and that kind

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of thing. 
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and Away you go. 
So, yeah, I went through all my 

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subs and I found quite a few 
quite a long list of people. 

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And I'm sure we're going to miss
some and maybe kind of fix knows

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a couple additions here. 
But if we have missed any here 

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that you know, of that are sort 
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people like myself, you know, 
just making He owes for fun and 

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as like an extension to the 
Hobby and want to be, you know, 

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just showcase like long-lost 
games or you know stuff that's 

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what we're doing or something 
very similar. 

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Yeah, please let us know. 
Please let us know. 

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Well if you're flying to tell 
us, let us know in that like an 

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email like at the clinic command
podcast at gmail.com, if you 

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want to contact me directly, or 
you can post up in the Discord 

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in the end, the YouTube, it was 
a Like there's an actual channel

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for like YouTubers Community 
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Let us know of any other people 
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of like, as kind of X. 
I know a lot of the stuff in 

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your like regular feed. 
You'll have like squid bar, 

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which does some great stuff. 
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I mean, this guy's got millions 
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get millions of views on his 
videos and those guys have got 

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doing some fantastic work. 
And I don't want to discredit 

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them at all in any way, but we 
sort of try to focus and 

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showcase a lot of the guys, all 
the smaller, guys. 

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Guys like myself. 
You know, I've only got less 

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than 2,000 subscribers and maybe
300 views per video whatever. 

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And as a lot of people like me 
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things, and yeah, we want to 
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So we're going to start with 
dice Hammer. 

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Now dice a, you put me onto this
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Oh yeah, it's these two German 
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I think they're trying. 
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basically they have made a 
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the races of will have my foot. 
2nd Ed who are all trying to get

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into the web way tunnels and 
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of like a round-robin 
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been really fun, because they're
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2nd Ed and, you know, people 
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stuff. 
And they've mentioned that and 

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usually they've got like quite 
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nice boards that they play on. 
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of rounds and then a web way 
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the board and everybody's got to
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And the last person to get the 
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portal is going to be the Victor
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eliminated and so on and so 
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the second phase now and yeah 
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it. 
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every video trying to you know 
Sway them to get a mid Victory 

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tyranny to Victory. 
That's what will soon find out 

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it's coming up. 
Just more carnufex is that's the

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answer. 
Just you kind of more than you 

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know where you got any three. 
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really highlights how important 
it is to be flexible and move 

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fast. 
And yeah you just get stranded. 

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If you want to sit back and 
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watching it because you see some
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out cool. 
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watched, I think of watch one of
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know, for a couple of minutes or
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distracted or something like 
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So I have to go back to them and
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they've been you've been posting
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every single one, their brought 
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So that's really good that 
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that. 
That's excellent. 

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So yeah. 
Good luck consistency. 

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Yeah, that's that's what you 
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thing. 
We're going to bring up now 

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bring in battle. 
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mean it doesn't come short with 
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pumping out videos. 
Weakly, whether it be you know 

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significant 40K the one-page 
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So if any of those games appeal,
to you go and check out what 

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rich and Jace are doing there 
because great, like, fantastic 

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guys, I sort of got to know them
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doing there and I've had them on
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as well, really fantastic 
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So I'd highly recommend what 
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know, I'm going to say this not 
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Raw videos where they just, they
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got, like a phone or just click 
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is what you get, what you see is
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what you get, there's no kind of
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It's just all very, it's all 
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like that. 
I like that approach to it, you 

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know. 
I don't either as well. 

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Yeah, good banter, but it's all 
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You know what I mean? 
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sort of choreographed. 
It's not scripted or anything 

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like that and a lot of videos do
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a little bit. 
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It's very raw. 
It's, you know what you see is 

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what you get? 
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It's all very spontaneous to. 
Now, another Chapel want to 

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highlight two and I want to get 
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point. 
We're trying to get a time 

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together to do that. 
That's the guy from second 

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edition wargaming. 
He also does really quality 

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second edition bankruptcy. 
You've heard of him at all. 

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I'm kind of X. 
All right, good man. 

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Yeah, I'm really surprised how 
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because like, you know, he puts 
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videos and they're really good 
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So I really want to see his 
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future because yeah, he really 
deserves it real. 

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We got stuff to. 
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And like yeah, really nicely 
painted models and he gets like,

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you know, because like for 
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It's always Jay sandrich, 
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he brings on other people that 
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come and play second edition 40K
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So, You see different armies and
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So I really like that aspect to 
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editing really good. 
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that kind of thing. 
Now, that special one hot. 

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Yep. 
Sorry man. 

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Sorry, I just interrupt, yeah, 
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to play games like second 
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and stuff like that. 
And look man, like having 

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someone explain to you how to do
combat. 

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Let's see. 
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It's I love Combat, leave, 
Italy, people. 

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Keep shitting on it but I really
love it. 

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Yeah, like and comment. 
I like it. 

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But I've known it since I was 
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Yeah. 
People were coming into 2nd Ed 

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or trying to relearn it to have 
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That's you want that. 
That's true. 

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And you know the all the other 
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after that all did the weapon 
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the dice and I don't like that. 
I love the uniqueness of second 

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edition, the close combat. 
You do a bit of math will get 

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over it, you know, start getting
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Got it all your work, it out, 
your work it out, so it's good 

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for your mind with your brain. 
Now, metal Hammer TV, that's our

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Tom Reynolds, you might know him
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The biking second edition, 
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challenge is a really good 
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He did some videos through the 
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second editions Space Marine 
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Quality videos really well. 
That edited and put a reduced. 

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So go and check out here is 
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I'm really surprised that not 
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I probably don't even know about
his channel, so yeah, go and 

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check that out, really good 
stuff. 

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Old hammered, now, all hammered 
covers, a lot of things. 

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A lot of. 
He like he bought recently a 

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whole stack of white dwarf 
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live stream of he requests and 
he's got other games. 

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Like I think we have a quest and
neck remonda and all kinds of 

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classic Games, Workshop games, 
or things of that elk, you know,

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of really old discontinued games
that he sort of collects and 

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buyers and plays with his Have 
you listened to watched any of 

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his stuff made at all? 
I think I have give me one 

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second. 
I've got to check that because I

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think he's on my list of 
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Probably, it's me. 
He's one of the piece, one of 

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the bigger channels I think out 
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mention here. 
So he's got quite a quite a big 

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following. 
Go through things like this to 

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tell compendium and stuff like 
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The really old school stuff. 
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And he recently through like the
80-43, like the old Rackham game

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with a prepaid plastic stuff, he
did all that head, like all the 

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Say it's all bent meant kind of 
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So looks like he's got a fair 
bit of money so and he's just 

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going out and sort of just 
buying Bargains from places in 

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the states where he lives and 
kind of things. 

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Nice job and occasionally, he'll
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40K ogron's Through the Ages and
stuff like that. 

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Yeah, he does a lot of those 
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Yeah, so yeah. 
So good quality stuff there. 

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Now, my good, mate. 
Garf now gasping on the podcast 

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at least once before. 
Yeah. 

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Because yeah, really good guy, 
again, very natural. 

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You know, it's just what you see
what you hear is what you get. 

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And I really like that about 
golf really down to earth. 

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But he loves his 40K law, and he
does a lot of painting videos on

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Twitch. 
So, and he does a really, really

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cool videos about various 
different models that are come 

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out. 
That he doesn't like any wants 

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to sell you. 
Why and a take a, like, the old 

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models to the new models and 
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Like that kind of thing. 
You'd like a bit of banter in 

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the bit of bit of fun thrown in 
to your 40K. 

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Yeah, as an alternative, if you 
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because he's got, Let's Play 
videos where he plays old games,

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like final Liberation, which was
the yeah epic game ever. 

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Yes, that's right. 
I think that's how he really 

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He used to live in Japan. 

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We talked about that, and then 
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out of his Pleat boredom or 
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countries. 
I think he started doing these 

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kind of YouTube videos and and 
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Liberation and doing painting 
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Cause he's not a gamer, he just 
likes doing. 

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He just likes a law and painting
and stuff like that and he's a 

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good painter tube. 
So check out his twitches and 

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check out his YouTube videos. 
They're really good stuff. 

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Yes. 
A very hilarious edits in that 

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too. 
Yes, very hilarious. 

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Once that yeah there is he's 
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humor and I like Like car sense 
of humor, it's all very blocky 

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blow. 
He kind of thing, but I like 

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that. 
So yeah. 

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But go and check it out because 
it's a good laugh. 

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Next person, I want to highlight
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growing actually, I'm really 
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That is Johnny Watson gaming. 
Now Jonny recently joined our 

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Discord. 
Thanks, mate. 

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And he's hit some really kind 
words about our community there.

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So I want to push everyone to 
show my appreciation for that as

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well. 
But ya can't check out his 

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channel because he covers a lot 
of stuff. 

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Now, doing a lot of 40K second 
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and, you know, there's a lot of 
yeah. 

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Like you're doing a lot of hobby
related painting project videos.

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He's done some epic videos, as 
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so a lot of fantasy and that 
kind of thing. 

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So I'm sure pretty sure carnufex
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Oh yeah, Charlie what's in here?
Okay, that's cool. 

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Subscribe straight away. 
Now the next one is bit closer 

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to home. 
It's jugs, know, kind of X. 

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It's not what you think. 
And I'll tell you a very funny 

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story about this in just a 
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United gaming Society. 
Now, I know, Damien for quite a 

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while. 
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with them epic, but he does 
everything, he does like, modern

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stuff, he does all the old 
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Everything he's just Games 
Workshop mad so he's just a 

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massive collector and painter 
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But anyhow. 
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The the the acronym juggs is 
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into a store and it For and 
Matt, Damon. 

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And I saw this, and this guy, 
he's an English guy. 

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He approached me started talkin 
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said, and I was in, I was in 
Chiba. 

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So, I knew that Damien was in 
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of jugs? 
He said, you, what I said jugs 

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is it? 
What do you mean? 

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I said, you know, it's this 
called jugs. 

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It's like a thing on Facebook 
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some kind of porn club or, you 
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Titanic type of thing. 
I said I made that it's Japan 

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United gaming Society. 
It's nothing to do with women 

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with large breasts or anything 
like that. 

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So it was a really funny moment.
I think he just got the wrong 

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end of the stick initially, 
until I explain myself and his 

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eye. 
And I made, I'm not part of this

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gaming Society. 
Is that okay? 

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For one, for some reason, I 
thought maybe it was Damien. 

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I thought and I thought I was 
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and I was a bit of a Funny 
Story. 

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Anyway, moving on original old 
Hammer artwork, awesome Channel 

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and you know what, you see there
is some of the greatest start 

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work that he's collected from 
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of cells on he sort of he's not 
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We did a whole video on that. 
So go and check out the YouTube 

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channel for that because and I'm
going to bring him back on soon 

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as well. 
Yeah you're going to have to 

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because he's acquiring more and 
more stuff use your quite more 

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stuff would be. 
He said he's got a couple more 

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collectors. 
He wants to bring on as well so 

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that'd be really cool to do but 
yeah he's got more stuff 

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recently so yeah I'm very 
interesting. 

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Why? 
So I can please check out 

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Adrian's work there at Old 
Hammer art. 

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It's really good next planet old
Hammer. 

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That's Ian and he's most famous 
on Facebook. 

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Sorry, on Twitter I think he's 
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Twitter than most other 
channels. 

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I think he's very popular there 
but he does a lot of old Hammer 

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stuff. 
You probably know a lot about 

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him is that right? 
Kind of X Plus Delta I'll need 

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to get a link to that guy stuff 
because I haven't been able to 

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find him on YouTube. 
So right. 

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Okay, yeah, I'm not sure what's 
happened there. 

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It's like it's similar to many. 
So dead here is someone at home,

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he's offline everything at the 
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with the editing and things. 
So I'll write shout out to him. 

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But yeah, anyone to him because 
I can't find him at the moment 

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because Just he's going on 
that's what this weed but yeah 

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but yeah, but Chuck that link up
in the show notes, I'll need to 

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grab that. 
Yep. 

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Okay yeah so many said he did 
one video and it was brilliant. 

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So it's a shame that he had to 
pull his his his videos down or 

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whatever for the time being. 
But I hope he comes back. 

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Was he's doing some really good 
quality stuff there, so yeah, 

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please come back soon. 
All right, so next we've got 

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snake Works, 40K law and all 
have. 

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Nostalgia and history vids. 
He does a lot of stuff like 

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that. 
Sort of goes back in time and 

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and pick something out of an all
white dwarf from like, a rogue 

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Trader or something like that. 
I subscribe to this guy years 

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ago. 
Because, yeah, things like the 

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space Crusade TV and how to make
an old Hammer bunker from white 

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dwarf and stuff. 
That's right. 

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Yeah, that's right. 
Subscribe to a years ago, that's

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pretty good. 
Yeah, the bonus question. 

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Yeah, nice, good stuff. 
And he pumps that quite 

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regularly videos. 
So, yep, dipping. 

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These feed into Horus. 
Heresy, at the moment, which is 

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good. 
Yeah, I think he's one of those 

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guys who just covers everything,
like he loves the old stuff, but

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he loves all the recent, all the
recent stuff too. 

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So you got a good spread of 
everything really in that 

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channel. 
So here go and check him out. 

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Now, my good mate, Brett, its 
solar solo old Hammer gaming. 

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He does a lot of he does, he's 
fanatical about Third Edition, 

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one of my fantasy. 
Battle and all those games of 

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that era. 
So he recently picked up like a 

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big space. 
May 2nd Edition. 

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What else did he gets this whole
Quantum space Hulk. 

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One that was good too. 
He's really hard to get. 

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Hold of, I don't know why but 
I've been trying to get hold of 

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him but he just doesn't, doesn't
contact me but Britt's, really 

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good guy. 
And I know he's in a bit of 

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Health difficulty at the moment 
like he's got a few health 

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problems in the moment. 
So I hope he gets better and he 

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gets back back into doing some 
videos because he is Very, very 

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prolific in doing what live 
streaming and making videos. 

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Again, this it's really rich in 
raw. 

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It's like, you know what, you 
see what you get and the like 

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that because it's just like, you
know, he just hold up the camera

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saying, you know, this is what I
feel or this is what I got, you 

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know, have a look at something 
that's came through the mail and

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yeah I really like those kind of
videos. 

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So brick, please come back and 
give us some more content. 

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May be really good to see, we've
got WarGames Orchid which at all

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Richard is it? 
Yeah, watch it. 

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Sorry. 
I keep calling it awkward. 

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I don't know why it's got oil in
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That's probably what it is. 
I don't know, I don't know or 

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card. 
That's what I'm going to call. 

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It may be that games. 
All car might have to consider 

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changing is just for me. 
Yeah, I don't think he's going 

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to do that somehow, but anyhow 
your for, you know, you know, 

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who these go beyond pronouncing 
it wrong. 

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Now, you're pronouncing a right.
I always get it wrong, it's 

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Orchard. 
I keep saying it's awkward, but 

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it might be awkward hard, but 
I'm going to call it all card 

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from. 
No, I want to call for all cars.

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Went out and stuff. 
Everybody says I'm going to 

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wrong. 
That's what it is. 

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Okay, son, but you know, the 
guys there do a lot of good 

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stuff on as a podcast but also 
they have a YouTube channel for 

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people who don't know, they did 
do some fifth edition, one of 

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fantasy battle courts and they 
did some more vids on one of 50 

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addition fantasy and I think 
they do that sort of you know 

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Going Through the Ages. 
I like from 3rd Edition all the 

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way up. 
Up to like a tradition, check 

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the changing of units and how 
they, how they changed and 

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evolved through the history of 
wama and that kind of thing. 

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So, you had a bit of a collab 
battle, to with the Crystal 

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Sword of far from probably, for 
nah, actually. 

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Actually Jesse's not actually 
part. 

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He's part of that group but he's
actually part of that team. 

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I was I was a misunderstanding 
as well that yes he's just he's 

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his friends with the guys there 
but he's not actually part of 

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that whole team. 
Shame on them. 

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Yeah. 
But that Jessie's really good 

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guy and ya know, he's he will 
have to get him back because I 

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said a doctor, the bike. 
And we need a, we need a second 

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part to find his long-lost 
lover. 

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That's my general. 
Hi of General. 

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His lover wizard has been 
kidnapped by scroll concern, is 

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to go back and with vengeance to
bring his lover back. 

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It worse than death. 
Yeah, he captured by it. 

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Yeah, I know with it, like a 
pestilence came with the Lea 

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pussy sores, and a kind of 
things even better. 

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Now, we've got Owen Staton with 
Adventure of between adventure 

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of time, between times with own 
statement, if there's a lot of 

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ranges of Shadow deep and what 
else I think did war-cry 

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recently or something like that.
And he did some other ones that 

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like From the same author 
McCullough, I think the guy's 

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name who did range the shadow 
Jeep anyhow he's got some other 

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games that Owen is really 
interested in so he does a lot 

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of solo play kind of videos so 
go and check him out and he also

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does like it's time between 
times storytelling YouTube video

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YouTube channel as well. 
So I'll put both those links in 

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there for that. 
Yeah, my good mate. 

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Caledonian who often comments on
my videos. 

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Thanks mate. 
And I know he hasn't been doing 

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a lot of stuff on his YouTube 
channel because of time 

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constraints and that kind of 
thing. 

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But he has got some Old Second 
Edition, 40K hobby videos there.

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But there's a lot of historical 
stuff as well. 

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Yeah, some call unboxings and 
assembly and painting and things

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like that and it's really good 
to subjective. 

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Yep, definitely it. 
Don't go and check it out 

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because if you the more you 
comment and the more you and try

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to encourage people, they might 
say, hey, hey, you know, might 

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actually make another video, you
know, so we'll see how it goes 

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now. 
We'll get Celtic Griffin now 

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Celtic Griffin. 
That's Michael Becker. 

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Michael Becker did the, he made 
the the goblin, the night Goblin

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fanatic game, loony bashing for 
the Third Edition third. 

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So the third issue of the here a
fanzine so Michael did that he 

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wrote an article about doing 
campaigns and that kind of 

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thing, I think an issue one of 
the fanzine Yeah, he's he's 

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really passionate about games. 
He's got a massive collection of

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board games and War games and 
he's really interested in like 

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fourth edition fantasy. 
So we did a lot of videos over 

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the lockdown with his son. 
And again, they're pretty rough 

447
00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:22,400
and raw but I think that I found
them very entertaining because 

448
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,600
you know it's someone playing 
for the dish in fantasy. 

449
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,600
I mean, you know, there aren't 
many of those videos around. 

450
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:33,200
So it was really cool to see him
playing like the the mall thrown

451
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,000
pass video scenario with his son
and that kind of thing. 

452
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,600
And the progressively, the 
videos got better and the 

453
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,300
quality of the video and the 
audio got better. 

454
00:24:42,300 --> 00:24:45,000
And that kind of thing. 
So yeah, if you're looking for 

455
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,100
some more water content, please 
go and check out Michaels 

456
00:24:49,100 --> 00:24:52,600
Channel. 
Then we got my good mate from 

457
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:53,600
the state's down. 
Boom. 

458
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:59,200
And Dan was the was the second 
guest I had on the podcast way 

459
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:04,800
back like two years ago. 
Great guy, Dan and he, I think I

460
00:25:04,808 --> 00:25:10,000
discovered him through his 
channel which he had his, his 

461
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,300
put, this amazing looking 
britannian Army and basically, 

462
00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:17,500
yeah, he sort of just did this 
whole sort of hobby blog, diary 

463
00:25:17,500 --> 00:25:21,100
kind of think like a vlog kind 
of style things. 

464
00:25:21,100 --> 00:25:24,800
So he would finish a unit and 
you present it in a video and 

465
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,600
really nice you know Wonderful 
videos and he really taught 

466
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,200
passionately about you know the 
models that are collected and 

467
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,100
where he got them from. 
And Maybe he had originally or 

468
00:25:33,100 --> 00:25:35,700
maybe had to rebuy them or 
something like that, and the 

469
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:37,900
color schemes he chose for them 
and that kind of thing. 

470
00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:39,800
So yeah, really, really nice guy
Dan. 

471
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,700
So please go and check out his 
videos. 

472
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,000
I think he'd done some. 
He doesn't really nice terrain 

473
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:47,700
videos to for like bold action 
as well. 

474
00:25:48,900 --> 00:25:52,800
So now moving on got life of 
die. 

475
00:25:52,900 --> 00:25:58,300
Now, that's Gordon the cell now,
Gordon did for the fans and he 

476
00:25:58,300 --> 00:26:02,500
submitted some like a normal 
squat list to play again. 

477
00:26:02,500 --> 00:26:06,700
John John webs list in for that.
So he's a big second edition. 

478
00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:09,400
Well, actually not, I would just
say second edition. 

479
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,000
Sorry, I would say net epic fan 
and first edition Space Marine 

480
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,300
fan. 
I don't think he played a lot of

481
00:26:15,300 --> 00:26:18,000
second edition but he's 
fantastic. 

482
00:26:18,100 --> 00:26:20,700
The models on his channel. 
Yeah. 

483
00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:22,900
But I think they had some else. 
Someone else's collection, they 

484
00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:27,000
make that's the thing. 
Hi-yah, that's the, that's the, 

485
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,900
what's the guy's Primark? 
The Primark load. 

486
00:26:29,900 --> 00:26:32,300
That's the guy. 
I forget his name. 

487
00:26:32,300 --> 00:26:35,500
Sorry, but it's the guy part, 
who was part of the, one of the 

488
00:26:35,500 --> 00:26:37,100
original guys part of net. 
Epic. 

489
00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:41,200
And apparently he's selling his 
collection since then, and then 

490
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:42,600
all the other stuff. 
He's got painted. 

491
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,700
Now he's photographing and then 
Gordon's uploading those videos 

492
00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:48,000
up on his channel, which is 
really cool. 

493
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,500
So yeah, just insane 
collections. 

494
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:52,600
I couldn't imagine having 
anything like that. 

495
00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:55,000
I don't know where I put the 
bloody stuff but yeah. 

496
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,900
Just really nervous. 
You like all of the sort of 2000

497
00:26:58,900 --> 00:27:00,800
ad stuff like Judge Dredd and 
stuff. 

498
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,800
Yeah, definitely check out his 
channel. 

499
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,400
Yep. 
Good Shannon for that because, 

500
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:10,200
yeah, he does a lot of he comes 
a lot of the Warlord games, they

501
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,500
do that. 
Now I'm pretty sure. 

502
00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:22,600
I'm pretty sure that the old xgw
guys antechambers for one is one

503
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,500
of the games Developers for 
that. 

504
00:27:24,900 --> 00:27:26,900
Yeah. 
And like on his podcast is 

505
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:30,000
chatted to people like gave for 
been young man. 

506
00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:35,400
Anders and yeah it's it's always
great to just hear those dudes. 

507
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,800
Talk about games and develop 
games. 

508
00:27:38,100 --> 00:27:41,400
Absolutely, for sure that. 
And then we've got some Oak bow 

509
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,100
Studios, that's Jeff, I've had 
Jeff on the podcast before and 

510
00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:47,400
we did and I think we did a 
video together as well. 

511
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,800
And yeah, doing his he requests 
collection. 

512
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,900
Now, here's, yeah. 
Really big into Old Hammer, 

513
00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:59,000
especially fantasy not so much 
40K, but a lot of the fantasy 

514
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,500
stuff and he's got he's amassed 
quite a large collection of 

515
00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:04,600
white dwarfs. 
And he sort of, he does, he's 

516
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,500
kind of retrospectives like, 
let's look at issue, 50s, like 

517
00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:13,100
57 levels, look at 157, compare 
them and that kind of thing. 

518
00:28:13,100 --> 00:28:15,800
So, I really like that 
retrospective series he does on 

519
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,000
white dwarves, so go check out 
his channel. 

520
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,800
Now, Jeff is a really nice guy, 
who's really passionate about 

521
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,300
the Hobby. 
And now, the next two I'm going 

522
00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:29,900
to cover is about confrontation,
the first one being end of world

523
00:28:29,900 --> 00:28:34,200
gaming and that's a pretty cool 
Channel. 

524
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:38,500
Again, it's pretty rough and raw
but, you know, we haven't we, 

525
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,100
but I enjoy the movie, they're 
quite entertaining. 

526
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:43,100
Some of the, some of the 
conversations or some of the 

527
00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:46,300
band of have will some of the 
reactions they have in some of 

528
00:28:46,300 --> 00:28:48,000
their dice rolls, are quite 
funny, and amusing. 

529
00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:55,100
Um but yeah, he tries to get 
quite a few people on from from 

530
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:58,500
his community or area to get 
there and he's got he's got 

531
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:01,100
quite a few people involved in 
it actually, which is quite 

532
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,400
encouraging to see playing such 
an old Dead game. 

533
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,900
So it's nice to see that 
happening, and I hope that he 

534
00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:11,500
continues making battle reports 
in the future, and my good mate.

535
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:14,900
Owen Matthews Aurelio and he's 
actually a game designer. 

536
00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:18,000
But he's also madly passionate 
about confrontation. 

537
00:29:18,900 --> 00:29:20,500
He's probably the most 
passionate person that I know 

538
00:29:20,500 --> 00:29:25,900
about confrontation. 
And he's also decided to make 

539
00:29:25,900 --> 00:29:29,600
some battle reports with his 
friend he plays locally with. 

540
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,100
So yeah, they're pretty cool. 
If you want to really know the 

541
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,400
like they play like, you know, 
torment style play of 

542
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,400
Confrontation. 
So if you really want to know 

543
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,100
the in depths of tactics and all
that kind of stuff, go and check

544
00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:45,700
out Owens Channel. 
Now a couple other things I want

545
00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:48,200
to cover it to is Dungeon 
Crawler and add. 

546
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,600
Course, to the stumbled across 
his channel looking at Advanced.

547
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,800
He requests, and he's a funny 
guy. 

548
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,700
I think, I think maybe he's 
somewhere in Eastern Europe 

549
00:29:57,700 --> 00:30:01,600
somewhere. 
And so like, English is not his 

550
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,200
first language, but he does a 
great job in trying to convey 

551
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,200
his passion for advanced 
request. 

552
00:30:06,500 --> 00:30:08,800
And I love when he says dices. 
I mean, I just love that just 

553
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,200
cracks me up every time but 
yeah, I just love watching his 

554
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,700
series. 
He does like his really short 

555
00:30:13,700 --> 00:30:18,100
like like seven minute clips and
then but the - you have to watch

556
00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:20,800
The next one and sequence kind 
of thing, and it's a really fun 

557
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,500
way of doing it. 
But yeah, again, raw as hell. 

558
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,800
But I mean, you can hear this 
like this really loud fan built 

559
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,300
in the background and that kind 
of thing. 

560
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:32,000
So, I mean, it's not the most. 
Yeah. 

561
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,900
But again, I like, I like those 
videos. 

562
00:30:33,900 --> 00:30:37,600
I don't know why. 
Maybe it's someone playing space

563
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,300
Crusade and think. 
Yeah, I need a space with Sadie 

564
00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:42,600
loves, although he loves all 
those games like the advanced 

565
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,200
request here, request-based 
proceed with request. 

566
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,200
All those Dungeon Crawler type 
based games from games were 

567
00:30:48,300 --> 00:30:51,200
Absolutely loves them. 
Another guy came out of the blue

568
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,600
and I found him just by chance. 
Is Richard, Richard some games 

569
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,200
and he does like a 3D roleplay 
Con in the u.s. 

570
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,900
So think of all games, like 
space Hulk, bounce, her request,

571
00:31:01,700 --> 00:31:05,300
Advanced space Crusade, all 
those, all those games that had 

572
00:31:05,300 --> 00:31:10,100
that little logo 3D 3D roleplay.
Corn, sorry 3D 3D role play 

573
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,900
solo, play type things. 
All those box games he doesn't 

574
00:31:13,900 --> 00:31:17,900
convention and they he's got on 
his channel a video compilation 

575
00:31:17,900 --> 00:31:21,100
of Of photographs, that he's 
taken of all, these cons. 

576
00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:24,300
He's been to an organized. 
That's quite an eye-opener. 

577
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,100
And I've never, I didn't know 
anything like that existed until

578
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,600
recently. 
But mate, I think that wraps up 

579
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,900
all of our channels is there. 
Anything else you want to add 

580
00:31:36,900 --> 00:31:39,200
me? 
Look, there's, there's quite a 

581
00:31:39,208 --> 00:31:43,700
few people out there that are 
making content. 

582
00:31:43,900 --> 00:31:48,100
The main thing to do is you 
click subscribe, you click. 

583
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:51,400
I can you leave a comment? 
I know that you hear this sort 

584
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:56,700
of crap on every single video 
but it's to make sure that your 

585
00:31:56,700 --> 00:31:59,900
feed is going to be populated 
with the stuff you want to see 

586
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,100
and it's going to help them with
getting support in that sort of 

587
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:10,300
YouTube logos fear and encourage
them to make more content. 

588
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,500
And it's going to make sure that
the horrible AI That's running 

589
00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:18,900
YouTube now, because I think 
it's basically you locked the 

590
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:22,600
staff in the dungeon, it's going
to make sure that that AI is 

591
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,200
trying to cater your feed to 
what you want to see. 

592
00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:30,500
And you've got to do it. 
I know it sounds like a bit of a

593
00:32:30,500 --> 00:32:32,700
chore, but it's literally, like,
2 clicks, man. 

594
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:35,700
Come on. 
They just want you to know. 

595
00:32:35,700 --> 00:32:37,800
I just want you to watch The 
Alex Jones defamation trial, 

596
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,400
that's what it is. 
I think that's what it is, man. 

597
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:45,600
That in micro Minecraft videos, 
baby shark all the rest of the 

598
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,400
rubbish. 
Does my butt look big bigger 

599
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,500
this? 
Videos that kind of thing. 

600
00:32:49,500 --> 00:32:51,900
Yeah, I know. 
I know it's yeah. 

601
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,800
Same keep you community Strong 
by supporting them and then look

602
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,700
man. 
Like the more you do that the 

603
00:32:58,700 --> 00:33:01,700
more content you're going to get
and you're essentially getting 

604
00:33:01,700 --> 00:33:03,700
free entertainment when you're 
bored. 

605
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,300
It's awesome module. 
Let my son back on YouTube which

606
00:33:07,300 --> 00:33:10,000
is a terrible thing to do 
because I've sort of kept away 

607
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,700
from for such a long time but 
now my feed because it's going 

608
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:16,300
through my channel. 
So my feet is full of like toy 

609
00:33:16,300 --> 00:33:20,000
videos and crazy. 
Crazy Japanese guys, you know, 

610
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,200
playing video games and that 
kind of stuff now. 

611
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,100
So it's going to be a 
competition. 

612
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:27,400
Might be a war now between me 
and my son who's going to win. 

613
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,100
Yeah, the AI is going to be so 
confused. 

614
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,300
We're gonna have to wrap this up
because we're almost out of 

615
00:33:37,300 --> 00:33:38,700
time. 
So thank you again, kind of X. 

616
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:40,600
We time out. 
I know we, we, it was quite a 

617
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,300
long slog to get through all 
those video links, but at least 

618
00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:45,000
we've done it now, mate, least 
people know about it. 

619
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,100
And that's, that's a good thing.
Look, the most important thing. 

620
00:33:48,300 --> 00:33:52,400
Is that we give a shout out and 
support people in the community,

621
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,400
so that they keep making lovely 
content and it should not 

622
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,300
forget, but we actually got an 
interview today, too. 

623
00:33:58,500 --> 00:34:01,200
And that's with my good mate 
Gregoire Gregoire. 

624
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:06,500
I've recently contacted through 
the confrontation Discord group,

625
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,500
and I came to realize that he 
was an ex-employee of Rackham 

626
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,000
back in the Glory Days. 
So, I hope you guys enjoy, 

627
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,300
listen to this, because it's 
another game of really strongly 

628
00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:20,000
passionate about Out and I love 
to death. 

629
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,000
So yeah. 
Enjoy our conversation today 

630
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,199
with Gregoire and I'm probably 
gonna have him back at some 

631
00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,100
point to talk about hybrid, 
which is kind of like a space 

632
00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:33,500
Hulk, but set in the world of 
our Clash being, so horrible 

633
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:35,199
d'oeuvres creature and see 
exactly. 

634
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:37,699
You like to do is make they're 
like, they're like they're like 

635
00:34:37,699 --> 00:34:43,500
the the tyranids in a way. 
Well, I'll tell you what. 

636
00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:47,600
The multi-part hybrid creature 
kit was way better than the most

637
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,500
part kind. 
Execute, I bet. 

638
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:54,300
I bet it was all right buddy. 
You take care of yourself and 

639
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:56,699
I'll see you in two weeks. 
Okay you guys take care. 

640
00:34:56,699 --> 00:35:21,100
Bye bye. 
Thank you. 

641
00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:24,800
But yeah, but welcome to the 
crank arm and Greg and it's 

642
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,300
really good to have you here and
to talk a little bit about it. 

643
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:30,800
Confrontation and little bit 
about yourself and how you got 

644
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,500
into the miniature wargaming 
side of the Hobby. 

645
00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:37,800
And of course, working in the 
industry exclusively for a 

646
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,800
number of companies but most 
famously in the reason why, you 

647
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,100
know, I asked you on today was 
talk about your involvement with

648
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:50,400
with Rackham and during the 
Glory Days but-but-but-but foot 

649
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,100
be. 
We get to that and people who 

650
00:35:52,100 --> 00:35:56,200
may have no idea who you are. 
Would you like to just go 

651
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,500
through about, you know, 
yourself and how you got into 

652
00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:01,800
the Hobby and that kind of 
thing? 

653
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,500
Okay, first I'm super glad to be
here with you. 

654
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,700
Thank you for inviting me. 
So I'm Greg, Greg were blue. 

655
00:36:10,700 --> 00:36:14,200
I'm French. 
I live in the u.s. 

656
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,800
I'm married. 
I have three kids. 

657
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:22,400
It's it's been 10 years since 
Since I've lived since I've left

658
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,100
France to leave it in the US. 
And even manager, formative 

659
00:36:26,100 --> 00:36:29,400
years entertainment, before that
I worked for many, many 

660
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:35,300
companies in the industry, most 
infamously obviously football 

661
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:38,200
for tonight, Rackham and 
recommend attainment. 

662
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:47,500
So there's that I'm 44 years old
and I'm very tired but I feel 

663
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:49,600
like they don't know. 
The feeling was just bad for 

664
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:54,600
years, on top of that. 
I'm not in a but yeah, but from 

665
00:36:54,600 --> 00:37:00,200
that not much I like miniature 
gaming, I dislike most board 

666
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:07,600
games with very few notable 
exceptions, I like RPGs and 

667
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,900
that's pretty much all. 
So you don't like board games 

668
00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:13,100
upon your favorite board games. 
Of course is hybrid. 

669
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:16,300
Yeah. 
Hybrid is very special because 

670
00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:19,100
it's a, I like Dungeon Crawlers,
right? 

671
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:23,600
And generally speaking. 
Being most of them are nice one 

672
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,800
way or another. 
But yeah, hybrid for me is the 

673
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,300
second best game made by Rackham
ever, what I be presumptuous to 

674
00:37:33,300 --> 00:37:36,300
say that the first and most 
beloved ball game of yours. 

675
00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:39,500
Is he requests? 
Absolutely, right. 

676
00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:40,800
Exactly. 
That's it. 

677
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,700
That's exactly that. 
This is the, the founding father

678
00:37:43,700 --> 00:37:46,500
of everything. 
This is my actually, my first 

679
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,700
contact with a miniature gaming 
worth almost through your 

680
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:52,500
request. 
At a friend's house. 

681
00:37:52,500 --> 00:37:55,900
I didn't even know what it was 
and that was amazing. 

682
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,100
Like really, that was an 
epiphany of fun. 

683
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:03,600
And since then I don't think 
that any other Dungeon Crawler 

684
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:08,900
ever made as well as heroquest 
in terms of fun and 

685
00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:12,200
accessibility. 
So deep that I totally agree 

686
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,300
with him at. 
Yeah, that's that's that's 

687
00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:16,900
that's a masterpiece. 
Wonderful. 

688
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:23,400
I recently acquired hybrid again
the second time and I'm going to

689
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,900
give it a good shot this time. 
I think the first time maybe the

690
00:38:25,900 --> 00:38:29,000
rule book was really I think for
most rack and based games, the 

691
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,200
rule books were the most hardest
to get through and learning the 

692
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,900
game and of course, no one 
played it. 

693
00:38:34,100 --> 00:38:38,200
Now if I could, if I was back in
go back in time in the 

694
00:38:38,700 --> 00:38:41,500
mid-2000s, the 2000s and go to 
France, and go to the 

695
00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:44,800
conventions and have someone 
like yourself running a game for

696
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,500
me. 
It would have Change my complete

697
00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:51,000
expectations about brackman and 
all their games. 

698
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,900
Not only hybrid but for 
confrontation as well. 

699
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:58,100
And I think a lot of those games
just didn't survive outside of 

700
00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:01,200
you know the us or France 
because there were not many 

701
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,500
people playing it or showing you
how to play it. 

702
00:39:04,900 --> 00:39:07,500
Yeah. 
I think that the problem was 

703
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:11,100
with demos and how to find 
people were able to do explain 

704
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:14,400
to you how to play the game. 
But it's also due to a very 

705
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,100
cultural problem that we have 
with Miniature gaming is that we

706
00:39:17,100 --> 00:39:22,300
don't like noobs and it's very 
it's very hard to get new people

707
00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:26,400
into the hobby because most of 
the veterans of the hobby are 

708
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,600
very intolerant with people who 
are starting the Hobby and the 

709
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:33,300
they don't want to waste their 
time teaching, they don't want 

710
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:36,700
to waste their time, turning 
down their power playing. 

711
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:41,000
I mean, there's a lot of 
overcompensating, a little bit 

712
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,900
like you when you buy a very big
girl, you know. 

713
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,900
So so it's yeah, the This 
problem was really, really, 

714
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:51,600
really acute when we were when I
was working for Rack Em already 

715
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,600
at that time. 
And the the the tournament 

716
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,000
System created by Rackham was 
not Noob. 

717
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:04,200
Friendly at all like at all. 
So so that I think that was a 

718
00:40:04,300 --> 00:40:09,000
one major problem at that time. 
It is a shame to say being so 

719
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,000
competitive because I never 
really saw confrontation as 

720
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,000
being a competitive type game. 
Especially when you like 

721
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,400
consider like second edition 
confrontation, which I have no 

722
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,900
experience with. 
But I know all the narrative 

723
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:25,400
type story is that some of the 
characters came with and like I 

724
00:40:25,408 --> 00:40:29,100
was just reading through ones 
for the goblin Pirates. 

725
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:33,100
So you've got mr. 
Divde and his tattooed belly 

726
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:36,700
with the treasure map and these 
guys come aboard. 

727
00:40:36,900 --> 00:40:39,600
Ship and try to kidnap him, he's
drunk and, you know, you're 

728
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,600
going to make all this special 
roles until he actually become 

729
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,300
sober and you know, gets up and 
starts fighting and and then did

730
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:51,300
then trying to chase that I 
think someone's stolen their 

731
00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:55,000
parrot and the parrots, the only
one who knows all the secrets of

732
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,500
all the treasure treasure is 
located around our Clash and 

733
00:40:58,508 --> 00:41:00,500
they're going to try to find 
that kind of thing. 

734
00:41:00,500 --> 00:41:02,500
So I love all that kind of 
stuff. 

735
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,700
So it's shame. 
It's a shame that they sort of 

736
00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:09,100
deviated away from That with 3rd
Edition, they sort of just 

737
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:13,300
eradicated all that. 
And yeah, that that's that's the

738
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:16,700
aspect of Confrontation. 
I really, really enjoy the most.

739
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,900
Yeah, I agree. 
I don't personally. 

740
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:23,600
Don't think that compensation 
was me to be competitive game, 

741
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,700
but I think that at that time, 
again, the gaming culture was 

742
00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:34,300
very, very aggressive and all 
that was inherited from 

743
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,700
basically the feather of all 
why. 

744
00:41:36,900 --> 00:41:42,100
Games, which was warmer 40K and 
the organize tournaments on that

745
00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:44,100
game. 
That was already not meant to be

746
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:47,000
a tournament game but more beer 
and pretzel game. 

747
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,400
You know, where you, you make a 
very nice diorama. 

748
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,600
You pretend to roll dice and you
have fun with your friends but 

749
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,300
then it became this tournament 
oriented Orient oriented events.

750
00:41:58,500 --> 00:42:01,400
And I think that confrontation 
just came from that because 

751
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:07,000
While most of the first 
employees and managers of Rack 

752
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:12,200
Em, we're from gift shop. 
And I think that this came into 

753
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,300
that, you know. 
So yeah. 

754
00:42:14,300 --> 00:42:18,000
So that that's the reason why. 
I mean, I have good memories of 

755
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,100
tournaments. 
Most of them because I was 

756
00:42:20,100 --> 00:42:23,600
organizing them so I didn't have
to play, but when I had to play 

757
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,800
I always had fun games because I
was playing notoriously bad and 

758
00:42:28,900 --> 00:42:31,900
with a very mediocre armies and 
army lists. 

759
00:42:32,300 --> 00:42:36,700
So I was always in the middle of
the of the ranking so I didn't 

760
00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:39,700
About winning anymore and the 
people I was playing against 

761
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:42,200
didn't care either. 
So we were basically in a 

762
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:45,000
position where we were doing, 
like, three to five games in a 

763
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,800
weekend without worrying about 
our ranking at all. 

764
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,100
So it became fun again. 
So, so that was good. 

765
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,700
They did the, the only danger 
was to face a very super 

766
00:42:56,700 --> 00:43:00,400
competitive power gamer at the 
very first round because then 

767
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,200
you, they would destroy you in 
very very fast, which was cool. 

768
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,700
But you still had wasted one 
game in. 

769
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,900
A weekend. 
So it was a little bit down so 

770
00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:12,100
household destroying that like 
if sound is tables you. 

771
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,200
Yeah. 
And they know that you're not 

772
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,300
really that experience of 
playing the game, I mean that's 

773
00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:20,100
kind of the worst experience. 
Anybody anybody who wants to be 

774
00:43:20,100 --> 00:43:22,300
introduced to all like a 
miniature wargaming or anything 

775
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:26,600
like that but ever experienced. 
So having plate having played 

776
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,800
war machine which is also a very
competitive game. 

777
00:43:30,100 --> 00:43:33,200
It's not a matter of being 
tabled, it's a matter of how 

778
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,200
you're being tabled and some 
games. 

779
00:43:36,900 --> 00:43:39,700
Simple War Machine. 
When your demo the game, the 

780
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:42,700
first thing you do is that you 
set up the to battle groups and 

781
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:45,500
you destroy the guy in front of 
you, like, you destroy them like

782
00:43:45,500 --> 00:43:48,200
super fast, it happens in round 
1. 

783
00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:51,200
You do a trick and boom, it 
destroy them and say so that 

784
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:53,300
what? 
That's, that is what you can do 

785
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,500
with the game. 
Now, I'm going to show you the 

786
00:43:55,500 --> 00:44:00,400
rules and its really that the 
game was meant for that 

787
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:06,500
confrontation was never meant to
be this power gaming v x and so.

788
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:11,200
You had a lot of rules conflict 
that were not solved properly. 

789
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,900
You had a lot of approximations 
in the rule writing because they

790
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:17,400
again again, the game was 
supposed to be very relaxed and 

791
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,400
very played with very little 
Miniatures. 

792
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,100
Enduring a very short amount of 
time, and that's the reason why 

793
00:44:24,100 --> 00:44:25,900
it was complicated. 
But yeah, it became 

794
00:44:25,900 --> 00:44:28,700
soul-crushing for some people 
because they come to a 

795
00:44:28,700 --> 00:44:30,500
tournament, they made the effort
of putting together. 

796
00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:34,300
Miniatures are extremely 
complex, sometimes they even 

797
00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:40,300
painted them, which was rare. 
But Happened and and then you, 

798
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:43,200
you basically tell them yeah, 
we're everything that you did 

799
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:45,600
for the past three weeks 
prepping for this tournament, 

800
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,300
just to have fun. 
It was going to be destroyed on 

801
00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:52,200
the first round and that that 
that is bad. 

802
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,000
That is super bad. 
So, yeah. 

803
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:56,600
But hey, at least they could 
diminish. 

804
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,100
His painted. 
That was the main thing on it. 

805
00:44:58,600 --> 00:44:59,600
Oh yeah. 
Absolutely. 

806
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,900
That's that was really the fun 
thing when I was organizing 

807
00:45:02,900 --> 00:45:05,300
tournaments in France, we had 
in. 

808
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,100
I was in the southeast of 
France. 

809
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,800
And we had this massive region 
that was basically all the South

810
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,500
part of France that had a 
painting compulsory policy. 

811
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,300
So you had to have your 
Miniatures painted, if you want 

812
00:45:17,300 --> 00:45:19,200
to put them if you wanted to put
them on the table. 

813
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:23,000
But the north part of friends 
who which was playing with the 

814
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,900
official rules didn't have that 
the managers the just had to be 

815
00:45:26,900 --> 00:45:30,900
put together and so you could 
see a cultural conflict but our 

816
00:45:30,900 --> 00:45:32,500
tables were very, very 
beautiful. 

817
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,400
We had we had less power gaming,
we had a few power gamers. 

818
00:45:36,900 --> 00:45:39,300
But they were more relaxed 
because again, our tournaments 

819
00:45:39,300 --> 00:45:42,700
were also a little bit more 
relaxed, but we had less power 

820
00:45:42,700 --> 00:45:46,600
gaming and more painting. 
So again, it's the to do, you 

821
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,200
know, the two faces of the 
hobby? 

822
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,100
Yeah. 
For sure, man. 

823
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,100
So if we can open that little 
doorway and pay through back in 

824
00:45:55,100 --> 00:45:58,200
time when you first started 
working for rack and what was 

825
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:07,000
all that experience like, 
Traumatizing I arrived in Iraq. 

826
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,700
Emma, and for Christmas 2005. 
A friend of mine. 

827
00:46:11,700 --> 00:46:16,600
So following a some demos that I
did or hybrid actually, during 

828
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:20,700
the suddenly Market in Paris at 
the spring of 2005. 

829
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:25,700
So, seven days of shows about 
only models Miniatures and stuff

830
00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:29,500
like that, and Rackham had a 
magnificent stand there. 

831
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,100
And they had a hybrid table, and
I was the only demo guy for the 

832
00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:35,500
for hybrid during the whole 
week. 

833
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,200
So I demoed a hybrid non-stop 
from 10:00 to 6:00 every day 

834
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,700
except Saturday, where it was 
ten to nine standing up doing 

835
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:46,900
demos. 
So basically my feet were 

836
00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:52,700
bleeding by the third day. 
It was really fun and I met the 

837
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,200
part of the staff that was 
coming to just watch that people

838
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,500
were not stealing products. 
Was the the manager of the mail 

839
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:06,300
order service and came there and
Julia and became a friend during

840
00:47:06,300 --> 00:47:08,200
that show because we were 
suffering so much. 

841
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,800
That it was really, really fun. 
So it created a bond basically 

842
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,900
between the people that were 
tortured by the, by the show. 

843
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,700
And so we became friends, and we
kept in touch and this kind of 

844
00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:23,900
things and on Christmas, you 
called me because you knew I was

845
00:47:23,900 --> 00:47:28,200
in Paris for my vacations. 
And it only are you available, 

846
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,100
because my assistant is gone. 
And I need someone for Christmas

847
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:35,200
because it's all rush time and I
cannot do it by myself. 

848
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,700
So I'm like, okay, why not? 
And that's how I became a 

849
00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:43,700
recommend ploidy basically. 
So which, which made a very 

850
00:47:43,700 --> 00:47:46,200
first conversation with during 
the recruitment, very weird 

851
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,800
because I had the boss of the 
company asking me, so what do 

852
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,500
you want to work for Rack Em? 
And I don't it's just that 

853
00:47:52,500 --> 00:47:58,300
unions. 
So I was I was genuinely a I 

854
00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:01,000
just finished a job that I had 
folded last three years. 

855
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,200
That was extremely hard also and
I had this massive unemployment.

856
00:48:06,500 --> 00:48:09,500
How can I see that P? 
That was guaranteed for me for 

857
00:48:09,500 --> 00:48:11,900
three years. 
So I can only take three years 

858
00:48:11,900 --> 00:48:15,200
of vacation and I was extremely 
well paid during this vacation. 

859
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:20,000
So I actually took a cut to work
for Rackham and so. 

860
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,100
So I was like, I don't, it's 
just that. 

861
00:48:22,100 --> 00:48:24,800
I I'm just here to help my 
friend because he's in distress 

862
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:28,300
so I can do that. 
So, that's how it started. 

863
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:33,700
And then one day, As I was 
talking to a customer in English

864
00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:39,100
because we had this guy from 
Australia - once a week once a 

865
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:41,900
week because he was passing all 
this that we are like between 

866
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:44,900
2000 and 3000 dollars every 
week. 

867
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,500
Yeah, really? 
Yeah. 

868
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:49,600
Yeah. 
It was nothing and and the guy 

869
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,500
was passing these orders and it 
was, you just wanted to make 

870
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:55,200
sure every time that the order 
was clear and clean and there 

871
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,100
was no problem and because he I 
think he had this massive Excel 

872
00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:01,900
spreadsheet where he was trying 
to figure out what you need to 

873
00:49:01,900 --> 00:49:04,400
order for the next week. 
I don't see any other solution 

874
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,600
like, really, it was insane. 
So, so I was on the phone with 

875
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,100
that guy, trying to solve his 
problem because we had some 

876
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:12,900
missing products and the 
managing director of Rackham, 

877
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:15,300
heard me speak English and said,
oh, you speak English. 

878
00:49:15,300 --> 00:49:18,400
I'm like, yeah, I do. 
It was written in my resume, and

879
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,300
he's like, oh, cool. 
So you're going to be our new 

880
00:49:20,300 --> 00:49:23,500
sales rep, for all English 
countries, all English, speaking

881
00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:26,200
countries. 
So it was America, UK Australia,

882
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:34,200
New Zealand and Ireland. 
So That became a my new job like

883
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,200
four months. 
After I entered Rackham just to 

884
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,100
help a friend. 
So yeah. 

885
00:49:39,100 --> 00:49:40,600
Okay. 
And that's it and that's and 

886
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,400
that's how I traveled to salute.
That's how I troubled. 

887
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,700
You Origins to Gen Con for the 
first time in 2006. 

888
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,700
So it was quite an experience. 
I think the most fascinating 

889
00:49:52,700 --> 00:49:55,600
part of that information in that
story was that someone was out 

890
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,300
of Australia was ordering set 
ordering so much per week. 

891
00:49:58,500 --> 00:50:00,800
I mean, that's all that's a lot.
That's a lot of stock per week, 

892
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,300
and I don't know who the hell 
was buying it? 

893
00:50:02,300 --> 00:50:07,700
Because well, I wasn't. 
So, it must mean some guy in 

894
00:50:07,700 --> 00:50:09,900
Melbourne. 
Sydney might because in Brisbane

895
00:50:09,900 --> 00:50:15,100
we known playing non-playing 
conversation, we had a few 

896
00:50:15,100 --> 00:50:20,500
hardcore customers, we would 
call them whale now but really 

897
00:50:20,500 --> 00:50:23,400
they were they were they were 
spending an indecent amount of 

898
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,500
money and other frequency that 
was scary. 

899
00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:30,700
So that we talk, we talk about a
store that spine, this, or at 

900
00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:32,300
individual knows. 
No, no. 

901
00:50:32,300 --> 00:50:34,700
An individual person. 
That division doesn't have half 

902
00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:36,700
from the middle. 
Do have a nice butt. 

903
00:50:36,900 --> 00:50:38,900
That's incredible. 
Well, what were they? 

904
00:50:38,900 --> 00:50:42,700
Building a house out of like 
Clyde Bracken boxes or something

905
00:50:42,700 --> 00:50:44,900
like that? 
Yes, I expect. 

906
00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:47,400
So I get and I don't see any 
other ignites. 

907
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,600
Absolutely not. 
I mean, ordering everything's by

908
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,100
six or seven. 
I mean, really. 

909
00:50:52,100 --> 00:50:55,400
It was it was I suspect that he 
was ordering for a club or for a

910
00:50:55,408 --> 00:50:57,100
group of people masturbate 
together. 

911
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,700
Yeah, but but really, it was 
still very anyone to do the 

912
00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:03,500
boxes to pristine. 
So if a box was destroyed, we 

913
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:07,700
had to send send in another box.
So, sending you a box flat. 

914
00:51:08,300 --> 00:51:11,300
In a box so that you wouldn't be
destroyed and it was okay with 

915
00:51:11,300 --> 00:51:14,400
paying shipping for that so that
he wanted everything pristine to

916
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,600
was very, very intriguing. 
Hmm. 

917
00:51:16,700 --> 00:51:20,300
Well, okay, well, whatever, I 
remember saying to guys, from 

918
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:22,900
Melbourne playing Ragnarok now 
this is the ragnaroks, the 

919
00:51:22,900 --> 00:51:25,200
tabletop version of 
Confrontation. 

920
00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:28,400
We had like massed ranks of 
units and are kind of thing. 

921
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,300
Yeah, I remember seeing a 
photograph of two guys playing 

922
00:51:31,300 --> 00:51:35,700
it one had a really beautifully 
looking Dano car Goblin, sort of

923
00:51:35,707 --> 00:51:39,800
the, the Japanese themed one. 
Yeah, Army against a Bend or 

924
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,200
Army so it must have been those 
guys meet. 

925
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,500
They must mean buying like 
thousands of people is worth 

926
00:51:44,500 --> 00:51:48,100
just to pay to supply Ragnarok. 
I wouldn't be surprised. 

927
00:51:48,100 --> 00:51:51,000
Yeah, then taking the entire 
weekend to play one game now. 

928
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,300
That's that's another story in 
itself because I'm sort of very,

929
00:51:54,300 --> 00:51:57,800
very interested and curious 
about Ragnarok. 

930
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:02,900
I did buy the base game because 
it had probably the probably the

931
00:52:02,900 --> 00:52:11,600
greatest ever painted other by 
Bonner ever to Grace the the 

932
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,800
Realms of fantasy and the 
fantasy genre in art, like it's 

933
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,300
just a masterpiece that I just 
bought it just for that. 

934
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,300
I didn't know what the game was 
like or what it would have been 

935
00:52:20,308 --> 00:52:22,900
absolutely terrible. 
I didn't care just want it that 

936
00:52:23,100 --> 00:52:27,000
just one of his artworks, you 
know, a reasonable size. 

937
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:32,000
So mate, how what, how 
successful was Ragnarok for the 

938
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,900
company? 
Not really. 

939
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,900
The thing is that Ragnarok. 
The first version of Ragnarok 

940
00:52:38,900 --> 00:52:43,500
was very clunky. 
It was made at a time. 

941
00:52:43,500 --> 00:52:49,500
So again it's a matter of 
there's a lot of how can I say 

942
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:55,400
that the company had a lot of 
internal turmoil at all time and

943
00:52:55,500 --> 00:52:58,900
employees were coming going very
fast. 

944
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,000
There was a lot of turnover and 
some of them. 

945
00:53:03,100 --> 00:53:08,800
Really left in a very bad way 
because they were pushed away, 

946
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:14,900
or because they were just pushed
over the limit and it was, as I 

947
00:53:14,900 --> 00:53:18,400
said, working for rock and was 
promoted traumatizing because we

948
00:53:18,900 --> 00:53:22,400
all the employees of Rack Em. 
Can't tell you multiple stories 

949
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,100
of something bad. 
That happened at the company, 

950
00:53:25,100 --> 00:53:30,200
whatever, working there, and 
from harassment, from a, from a 

951
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,900
superior, to not being paid for 
six months. 

952
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:37,000
Having to work standing up 
non-stop for 10 hours. 

953
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:40,700
And when you crouch, because you
genuinely cannot feel your knees

954
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:43,700
anymore. 
The manager comes and tells, you

955
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:47,300
know, you have to stand up 
because we don't see it here and

956
00:53:47,300 --> 00:53:50,500
this really anxiety. 
Yeah, it was not, it was not fun

957
00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:52,800
at all like, sad, a 
concentration camp. 

958
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,100
More than a place to work at 
geez. 

959
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:59,000
It was horrific. 
It was definitely a tyranny and 

960
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,900
it felt like it so but yeah. 
It's so that's rude. 

961
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,600
I was telling it was 
traumatizing it's because it was

962
00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:10,500
but, but yeah. 
So Ragnarok was created by a 

963
00:54:10,500 --> 00:54:13,400
team of writers that was 
exploding at that time. 

964
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,200
So basically one of the writers 
wrote most of it by himself 

965
00:54:17,900 --> 00:54:20,400
while the others were busy, 
doing something else with 

966
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:26,500
confrontation and prepping other
games and then this guy left. 

967
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,600
But when you left, the company 
was right in a way where we had 

968
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:35,700
enough miniatures. 
For each Army to have an army of

969
00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:37,900
Ragnarok. 
But we were not selling them in 

970
00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:40,800
boxes yet so they were just in 
blisters. 

971
00:54:41,500 --> 00:54:44,000
So if you wanted a unit of 
inquisitors, you had to buy like

972
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,400
16 blisters at once. 
So I mean each that we would 

973
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:51,700
cost you is $900. 
So the game was killed this. 

974
00:54:51,700 --> 00:54:54,700
The game was killed down so that
you could play like three or 

975
00:54:54,700 --> 00:54:57,400
four Miniatures in each unit. 
Apart from some guy in 

976
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,000
Australia, he was, it was loving
it, he had lots of money for 

977
00:55:01,100 --> 00:55:05,300
some reason. 
So you, they scaled it down to 

978
00:55:05,300 --> 00:55:08,400
make it playable, which meant 
that, it was playable with his 

979
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:10,700
phone, these little units and 
stuff like that. 

980
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,500
Not super interesting, but 
playable and then when the game 

981
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,300
needed to be pushed, they 
started releasing boxes, which 

982
00:55:17,300 --> 00:55:21,600
means that the units could be 
made bigger right away, which 

983
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,600
was convenient. 
But at the same time, it was 

984
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,500
boxes of Miniatures that people 
already had some times in 

985
00:55:27,500 --> 00:55:29,500
multiple instances. 
So they were not necessarily 

986
00:55:29,500 --> 00:55:33,400
buying them. 
So it was really a Snake biting 

987
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:37,000
its debating its own tail where 
you are trying to catch up on 

988
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,900
the people that you missed at 
the launch of the game while 

989
00:55:39,900 --> 00:55:42,700
satisfying, the people that 
already had all your products in

990
00:55:42,700 --> 00:55:45,300
their, in their glass case. 
So it was really, really 

991
00:55:45,300 --> 00:55:48,600
complicated. 
So, so Ragnarok itself was not 

992
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,600
successful. 
Confrontation was very 

993
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:56,600
successful for a very long time,
then started to fade, pretty 

994
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:02,500
rapidly, actually around 2006. 
And then when we released 80-43,

995
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:09,400
The the the tremendous success 
of 80-43 showed Rackham another 

996
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:14,000
way, which was the way of pre 
painted plastic to do Mass 

997
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,100
battle games. 
Because that's, that was the 

998
00:56:16,100 --> 00:56:17,700
future. 
Because you cannot sustain a 

999
00:56:17,707 --> 00:56:20,000
company on the scammers game 
ever, okay? 

1000
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:24,500
So it is, you have to you have 
to be able to have people buy 

1001
00:56:24,500 --> 00:56:28,800
multiple times the same products
and skirmish games won't help 

1002
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:30,900
you do that. 
So you have to do a mass balance

1003
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:33,100
game and in order to do a mass 
balance, Game. 

1004
00:56:33,100 --> 00:56:36,800
We needed to have these plastic,
and that's how confrontation age

1005
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,300
of Ragnarok. 
Popped up, basically, mmm. 

1006
00:56:40,700 --> 00:56:44,400
So we test the straight there, 
straight letters the PPP. 

1007
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,900
It's the disc. 
Yes, the death of, we recommend 

1008
00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:50,700
the death of the death of my 
interest in the entire thing 

1009
00:56:51,300 --> 00:56:52,700
unfortunately. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1010
00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:56,500
Yeah. 
I think that the transition from

1011
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,200
our, former customers, to the 
new ones was not done properly 

1012
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:02,600
on confrontation but yeah, we 
will. 

1013
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,400
Are you losing a ton of money on
confrontation anyway? 

1014
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:08,000
Now we are products that were 
not selling at all. 

1015
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:11,500
Anyone who knows? 
Me knows that I hate dwarves 

1016
00:57:11,500 --> 00:57:16,700
goblins and Orcs because they 
were not selling at all like I 

1017
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:17,900
do. 
I was born, I was buying them. 

1018
00:57:17,900 --> 00:57:19,900
There's one once One customer in
Australia. 

1019
00:57:20,500 --> 00:57:22,900
Exactly. 
Yeah, exactly. 

1020
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:24,500
It is. 
You were probably 50,000. 

1021
00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:28,100
That's these three armies. 
So so yeah. 

1022
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,100
So no really. 
It was, it was terrifyingly low 

1023
00:57:31,300 --> 00:57:36,000
compared to the other armies. 
So and we because of Productions

1024
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,900
because of the whims of 
management and it's kind of 

1025
00:57:38,908 --> 00:57:41,300
things. 
We kept popping popping up with 

1026
00:57:41,300 --> 00:57:45,400
products that had dwarves 
goblins and Orcs at a point and 

1027
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,600
we get asking for war orphans 
and they were telling me they 

1028
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:49,300
were telling us. 
Yeah. 

1029
00:57:49,300 --> 00:57:51,800
But they're too expensive to 
produce, and they take too much 

1030
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,900
time to you to scold like, yeah,
but I didn't selling 30 of them 

1031
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,600
when I sell one dwarf, so maybe 
we should. 

1032
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:02,300
But the calculation was not made
this way at that point and 

1033
00:58:02,300 --> 00:58:05,000
prostate Other. 
They were other problems in the 

1034
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:11,300
company that made it tank, 
including Financial weirdness. 

1035
00:58:12,500 --> 00:58:15,400
And I think that's that was 
really the real reason because 

1036
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,400
the pre painted plastic actually
sold really well. 

1037
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:26,100
Mmm 80-43 sold by contain, a by 
entire containers and and 

1038
00:58:26,900 --> 00:58:31,900
confrontation age of Ragnarok. 
Sold extremely well also so so 

1039
00:58:31,900 --> 00:58:34,600
yeah. 
It's it was a weird time, it 

1040
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,600
became a very well time attract.
I'm because the financial 

1041
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,100
difficulties were real and we 
could feel them. 

1042
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:45,700
We had to hide them and people 
were talking a lot out of their 

1043
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:50,200
asses not knowing what was 
happening, really still happens.

1044
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:54,100
Now, to be honest. 
And so it was really, it was 

1045
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:57,700
really difficult also to do live
that period of time, not being 

1046
00:58:57,700 --> 00:59:00,600
able to tell them, no, you're 
absolutely completely mistaken 

1047
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,700
and actually you should buy more
of that product. 

1048
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,100
Because we already sending a ton
of it and the product that you 

1049
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,900
cherish so much. 
It's been two years and a half 

1050
00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:12,900
that were not selling enough to 
even sustain the production of 

1051
00:59:12,900 --> 00:59:17,400
it. 
So I mean, as I said we had 

1052
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:22,700
limited editions at 3,000 copies
and that was the best seller of 

1053
00:59:22,700 --> 00:59:25,600
the year. 
So that means that all the rest 

1054
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,400
who are selling in, we less than
that. 

1055
00:59:27,500 --> 00:59:32,700
And so it's really funny but 
imagine the starter sets will be

1056
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:35,500
done pretty well for you guys. 
Like the the confrontation 

1057
00:59:35,500 --> 00:59:39,800
starter sets we had like Yeah 
The Wolverine and the those type

1058
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:40,800
setup. 
Yeah. 

1059
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,200
The to start of sets were 
extremely good for us. 

1060
00:59:44,300 --> 00:59:47,200
Like really the small one, the 
big one they really really 

1061
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,100
worked. 
They really revived the game at 

1062
00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:53,900
the other launch of 
Confrontation 3, right? 

1063
00:59:54,100 --> 00:59:56,800
Really made a push for the game 
Distributing. 

1064
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,600
A lot of free books at gencon. 
A lot of free Miniatures all 

1065
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:05,000
over the conventions, all over 
the world, the major now, and it

1066
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,100
was actually the faithful from 
Akron. 

1067
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:12,900
I forgot an Asian Asian devant. 
So that was a, she was like 

1068
01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:15,200
given for free to a boatload of 
people. 

1069
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,700
So yeah, they pushed it. 
They push it harder and then 

1070
01:00:18,700 --> 01:00:23,500
they started sets really revived
sales for a while, but again, it

1071
01:00:23,500 --> 01:00:25,800
made sense. 
Because in that in a style set, 

1072
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:30,400
you had does and orphans, which 
were the two best sellers are me

1073
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,400
ever. 
So, so yeah, certainly when we 

1074
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:42,700
put products that people want, 
we sell them fairly that, but, 

1075
01:00:42,700 --> 01:00:45,600
you know, it's like I tell 
people who don't have never 

1076
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,900
seen, like, you know, the 
products that Rackham brought 

1077
01:00:49,900 --> 01:00:51,200
out. 
Yeah, it sounds like an 

1078
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,000
absolutely horrible company to 
work for. 

1079
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,900
The bloody hell they made. 
Miss the best-looking 

1080
01:00:55,700 --> 01:00:59,600
Miniatures, they're the best 
sculptors at the best artists. 

1081
01:01:00,300 --> 01:01:05,400
They had the one most wonderful 
painters working in it, remind 

1082
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:08,800
me of like, you know, the Games 
Workshop Studio during the 80s 

1083
01:01:08,900 --> 01:01:11,000
when they had like this 
collaboration of all these 

1084
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,300
wonderful people working 
together. 

1085
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:16,100
Yeah, maybe an in maybe in a 
very similar sort of very 

1086
01:01:16,100 --> 01:01:18,400
stressful environment but 
they're producing the best stuff

1087
01:01:18,900 --> 01:01:20,700
that isn't that generation in 
other me? 

1088
01:01:21,100 --> 01:01:23,900
Yeah, there was a conflagration 
of a pure talent. 

1089
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:28,300
In the company. 
And from everywhere, the point I

1090
01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:30,600
joke a lot about how bad 
management was. 

1091
01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:34,800
But at a point, the boss of the 
company who was a former Games 

1092
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:39,300
Workshop employee, who was 
actually the best selling sales 

1093
01:01:39,300 --> 01:01:45,800
rep, ever in Europe, for a 
decade, after he left, he was 

1094
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,400
still holding. 
The record was really, really 

1095
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,000
brilliant. 
And all the, all the ideas that 

1096
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,700
part from confrontation were 
extremely brilliant. 

1097
01:01:53,700 --> 01:01:57,200
At the In putting the miniature 
in a blister with the card for 

1098
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:00,900
the with the card and the rules 
for the game in a blister was 

1099
01:02:00,900 --> 01:02:03,600
genius. 
At that time like absolute 

1100
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,200
genius. 
No one was doing that. 

1101
01:02:05,700 --> 01:02:08,300
You could you could buy to me 
inches of any type, you would 

1102
01:02:08,300 --> 01:02:11,000
have the rules to play that 
miniature and to play against 

1103
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,500
your opponent at any time. 
So you could start the game with

1104
01:02:13,500 --> 01:02:15,600
two blisters and be done. 
So yeah. 

1105
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,500
That was that was absolutely 
brilliant. 

1106
01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:23,900
And then the game evolved and 
again due to management. 

1107
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,600
Issues due to financial reasons 
and it's kind of things. 

1108
01:02:26,900 --> 01:02:31,000
It is Rackham. 
Had ups and downs are a lot and 

1109
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:36,100
then didn't allow for peaceful 
creation process. 

1110
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:40,200
And it felt in the, in the 
rules, it felt in the, in the 

1111
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,600
whether the profiles were made 
on this kind of things you had 

1112
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,200
four writers at a point and none
of them agreed on what the game 

1113
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:51,100
should be. 
And it took a while for a camp 

1114
01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:53,200
to actually hire someone to tell
them. 

1115
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,100
Okay, so now I'm going to be the
referee. 

1116
01:02:56,600 --> 01:03:00,100
So all of you give me an 
argument and I decide which one 

1117
01:03:00,100 --> 01:03:05,100
is the good one at that point. 
And that so that helped a lot. 

1118
01:03:05,100 --> 01:03:08,100
But it took like, it took six 
years for I came to have that 

1119
01:03:08,300 --> 01:03:11,400
and for six years they published
profiles that we're really all 

1120
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:15,400
over the Spectrum from absolute 
rubbish to absolutely completely

1121
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:21,500
broken so that didn't help. 
Also Mmm. 

1122
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:28,000
Yeah, but It's good to see that 
in a sense the collapse of 

1123
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,800
Rackham and people actually 
ventured out in the artist that 

1124
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,300
sort of built this wonderful you
know world of our Clash and all 

1125
01:03:37,300 --> 01:03:40,500
the characters within it. 
They all went on to bed it 

1126
01:03:40,500 --> 01:03:43,900
bigger and better things make 
like for example Guillotine 

1127
01:03:43,900 --> 01:03:46,900
games. 
Yeah yeah give it some games. 

1128
01:03:46,900 --> 01:03:52,300
Is two of the writers do the 
number three of the company and 

1129
01:03:52,300 --> 01:03:56,400
former sales rep. 
The former first sales rep of 

1130
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:00,500
the company that decided to 
pursue other partners, that 

1131
01:04:00,500 --> 01:04:03,600
decided to make this company and
create created zombie side. 

1132
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:08,600
So that's that's obviously a 
success story and, and they are 

1133
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,500
now leaving happier lives, all 
of them. 

1134
01:04:11,500 --> 01:04:16,300
So, so that's very good and he's
getting paid also. 

1135
01:04:16,300 --> 01:04:17,100
Yes. 
Yeah. 

1136
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,100
But that's, that's the thing, is
that all the sculptures, all the

1137
01:04:20,100 --> 01:04:23,500
writers on the painters. 
Everyone basically has a Korea 

1138
01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:27,300
now. 
And everyone came out reach from

1139
01:04:27,300 --> 01:04:29,100
this in the from this 
experience. 

1140
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,600
But it's just that District. 
This experience didn't need to 

1141
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,200
be that dramatic in order to be 
valuable. 

1142
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:39,200
So, yeah, amazing. 
You still have a lot of contact 

1143
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,500
with people from the Rackham 
days. 

1144
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,900
Most of them. 
Yeah, but good. 

1145
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:46,100
Okay. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1146
01:04:46,100 --> 01:04:49,700
We were, we were, we were not 
tight all the time but we were 

1147
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,500
again, the, the conditions made 
it that some time from time to 

1148
01:04:53,500 --> 01:04:58,000
time, we We just need to lie to 
bond and you know, take a cup of

1149
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,900
coffee before going to work 
because we really don't want to 

1150
01:05:00,900 --> 01:05:04,700
go to work that day or or taking
a cup of coffee after work 

1151
01:05:04,700 --> 01:05:08,300
because we had this horrible day
and we just need to vent it out 

1152
01:05:08,300 --> 01:05:12,900
before we go join our families. 
So yeah it created some some 

1153
01:05:12,900 --> 01:05:16,500
some links between between us so
it's small. 

1154
01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:21,200
I mean, I'm not a close-knit 
friend with everyone and but 

1155
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,600
it's we we all stay in contact, 
we all Each other. 

1156
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:27,200
So it's pretty nice. 
Yeah, that's wonderful mate. 

1157
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,600
That's good. 
Since the since you know, social

1158
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,600
media media became a thing, you 
know. 

1159
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,700
Now you have a chance to 
actually contacting people. 

1160
01:05:34,700 --> 01:05:40,800
So I kept in contact with Martin
who painted there and and you 

1161
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:45,500
know Vincent Fontaine is on on 
on Facebook I think he works for

1162
01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:51,200
calming are not as like a in the
miniature tooling like enjoys it

1163
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:53,900
as I can engineer working in 
China there. 

1164
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,200
For their, for their miniature 
production and that kind of 

1165
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,500
stuff for their games. 
So, yeah, it's really good to 

1166
01:06:00,500 --> 01:06:02,900
just make contact with these 
kind of like, you know, for me 

1167
01:06:02,900 --> 01:06:05,000
they're like, you know, Heroes 
of mine. 

1168
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:09,800
Like, you know, that these guys 
are like just setting the bar so

1169
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:13,500
high in terms of painting, for 
me, it was just like such an 

1170
01:06:13,500 --> 01:06:17,400
incredible roller coaster that 
was torture for me, like, you 

1171
01:06:17,408 --> 01:06:19,900
know, try to try to try to 
emulate all those kind of paint 

1172
01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:21,500
jobs. 
Those guys are doing on those 

1173
01:06:21,500 --> 01:06:23,900
Miniatures, which is sort of 
these mind. 

1174
01:06:24,100 --> 01:06:27,700
In colors and all these 
different Transitions and stuff 

1175
01:06:27,700 --> 01:06:29,300
that was like, so out of the 
box. 

1176
01:06:29,300 --> 01:06:31,700
So, so different from anything 
else. 

1177
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,000
That's wonderful to see that 
those two those guys and not 

1178
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:38,200
just them, but other people in 
the and I want to talk to those 

1179
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,000
guys at some point to, to find 
out exactly who was the 

1180
01:06:41,500 --> 01:06:44,800
initiator of this style because 
it everything sort of Follow 

1181
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,700
that. 
I don't know who that particular

1182
01:06:47,700 --> 01:06:50,400
individual was whether was I 
think it's fun. 

1183
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:53,200
So Fontana, right? 
I thought so I thought he seemed

1184
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,500
sort of the the The key guy 
behind everything. 

1185
01:06:55,500 --> 01:06:57,600
He was like the art director or 
whatever. 

1186
01:06:57,900 --> 01:07:01,400
Yeah, he was genuinely the head,
the head painter and was 

1187
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,800
managing a team that went from 
two to five. 

1188
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:09,600
People are the point and and 
really was no he was managing 

1189
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:13,200
them so I guess it would it 
would be him I think I mean 

1190
01:07:14,700 --> 01:07:18,500
Everyone forget Vinson in Martin
on for a chat at some point in 

1191
01:07:18,500 --> 01:07:21,000
the future, the be awesome if 
you like one of my dreams. 

1192
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:25,500
But yeah, but yeah those guys 
sort of just they like well 

1193
01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:30,000
Vincent in particular, when he 
change the the painting style 

1194
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,400
for like for painters around the
world for like, you know, 

1195
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,700
forever like yeah. 
You know those guys really set a

1196
01:07:36,700 --> 01:07:40,000
footprint of what, you know, a 
miniature was going to be 

1197
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:43,600
painted like in a sort of a more
modern style. 

1198
01:07:43,700 --> 01:07:47,900
All of techniques and and that 
kind of thing which we've never 

1199
01:07:47,900 --> 01:07:52,100
seen before, like nonmetallic 
metals and all these other 

1200
01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:55,000
things that he was doing with 
Miniatures, that were just, you 

1201
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:56,500
know, saved impossible at the 
time. 

1202
01:07:56,500 --> 01:08:00,500
So the blending and everything. 
Yeah, it was really, really 

1203
01:08:00,500 --> 01:08:03,100
knew. 
It might me hit liking a, he was

1204
01:08:03,100 --> 01:08:05,300
painting miniatures. 
Like, an artist. 

1205
01:08:05,300 --> 01:08:07,000
Like, you know, poor Bond would 
paint a painting. 

1206
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,700
You know, that, that's what 
those guys were doing. 

1207
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,800
That was the oh yeah, if it 
wasn't sort of like a base coat,

1208
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,800
wash, and a highlight, And we 
will use to, you know, it was 

1209
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,899
totally something totally 
different and yeah, thanks. 

1210
01:08:20,899 --> 01:08:22,700
Thanks to them. 
They introduced me to Vallejo 

1211
01:08:22,700 --> 01:08:26,000
paints because I had no idea 
what what sort of paints all 

1212
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:30,200
using I was very intrigued to 
see all these weird looking pots

1213
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,700
on their tables and I realize, 
okay, these are Vallejo paints. 

1214
01:08:33,700 --> 01:08:36,899
I stumbled across them and, you 
know, sort of just snowballed 

1215
01:08:36,899 --> 01:08:41,100
this this hobby, Love of Mine. 
You know, this fascination with 

1216
01:08:41,300 --> 01:08:46,399
how they painted models and the 
miniatures Herbs and I wasn't 

1217
01:08:46,399 --> 01:08:48,800
interested in the games at all. 
I never really played the games,

1218
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,600
just really painting. 
The models where my my thing, I 

1219
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,200
think most like, you know, I 
think you're talking about that 

1220
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,800
in the Discord to that. 
You know, a fair chunk of people

1221
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,200
who were buying. 
These ministers were just buying

1222
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:05,399
them just to paint with it. 10% 
10% of our customers. 

1223
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:09,300
But yeah, it was, it's still a 
significant chunk of buying them

1224
01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:12,200
interest juror stooping them. 
That's especially on recommend, 

1225
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:15,000
it shows that were Loosely 
complicated. 

1226
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:21,200
It's yeah, it was a, it was a it
was a good number wonderful, 

1227
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:22,899
man. 
Well, great. 

1228
01:09:22,899 --> 01:09:24,200
Well, it's been an absolute 
pleasure. 

1229
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,899
Talking to you mate. 
Thank you very, very much for 

1230
01:09:26,907 --> 01:09:29,899
coming on today. 
Unfortunately, we did invite 

1231
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:33,800
Eric to come on today, but I 
think maybe he's got that, the 

1232
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:37,200
times mixed up because he hasn't
shown which is a real sad thing 

1233
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:39,500
but we'll have to come back to 
bring it back on again. 

1234
01:09:39,500 --> 01:09:43,000
Maybe at some point and water do
like a hybrid special or 

1235
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:47,000
something and and you can 
reverse-engineer the rule book 

1236
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:53,100
and tell us how to play it. 
The rule number one of any good 

1237
01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:55,300
game is that if you need to read
the rule book, it's not a good 

1238
01:09:55,300 --> 01:09:57,300
game. 
So that's what it was. 

1239
01:09:57,300 --> 01:09:59,200
That's like make their problems 
all time. 

1240
01:09:59,700 --> 01:10:01,800
Okay. 
So, how broad is a great game 

1241
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,000
and I could talk about it for 
hours, it's great. 

1242
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,200
My will definitely have you back
on about that because, yeah, 

1243
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:13,200
it's I think it's one of those 
hidden gems that maybe people 

1244
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:16,900
were That's how I really got 
into Rackham, was buying that 

1245
01:10:16,900 --> 01:10:19,600
game, because it was the first 
commercial product that you 

1246
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,900
could buy in a box with 
Miniatures in it and I loved, 

1247
01:10:22,900 --> 01:10:24,900
you know, P request. 
So I thought, okay, I love 

1248
01:10:24,900 --> 01:10:27,300
Dungeon Crawlers. 
This is sort of my up my alley 

1249
01:10:27,700 --> 01:10:32,100
but I got to the rule book as 
like I don't have to play this 

1250
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:33,700
get like no one was interested 
in playing it. 

1251
01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:36,800
No it's just like investing the 
time to play it play it but it 

1252
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,100
sounds like a really good game. 
And since talkin to you and 

1253
01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:42,500
other guys on a Discord maybe I 
was wrong about it. 

1254
01:10:42,500 --> 01:10:45,300
Maybe it is a really great. 
Great game in there that it is 

1255
01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:47,300
just got to work out how to do 
it. 

1256
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,200
So thankfully, we have these 
communities online communities, 

1257
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:53,800
that share, their, you know, 
their files and that kind of 

1258
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,900
thing, and it seems to have 
quite a large following. 

1259
01:10:56,900 --> 01:10:59,800
So, I really want to give that a
go and bring you back on at some

1260
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:01,300
other point made a talk about 
it. 

1261
01:11:01,500 --> 01:11:03,500
No problem with pleasure. 
Okay, great. 

1262
01:11:03,500 --> 01:11:05,600
Well, we'll take care. 
Enjoy your evening and thanks 

1263
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,700
for being on the crema command. 
Thank you very much for inviting

1264
01:11:08,700 --> 01:11:09,700
me. 
Okay, mate. 

1265
01:11:09,700 --> 01:11:11,500
Thanks very much, take care. 
Bye, bye.