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Okay, so I'm dead now here with 
Peter Peter Nelson, from Sweden.

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Peter, how are you mate? 
I'm good. 

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Thank you for having me on. 
No problem. 

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It's been a while. 
Isn't we have talked about it? 

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That, and I promised, or you're 
waiting for my invitation. 

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Maybe you're expecting 
something, but it just never 

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came. 
Yeah, that's what I thought. 

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You know, I didn't episode of 
old-world Davis, and then I just

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expected every all the people to
come running and want me on 

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their podcast. 
Well, I didn't know it was you, 

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that was a thing that's all 
talking about and I said, I you,

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you know, I don't know how we 
got, I don't know how we Broach 

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that subject. 
Like that, we talked about 

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something I said I yeah, I know 
that it was, certainly a new. 

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You said, oh, that was me. 
I said, I really I didn't 

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realize that I had no idea. 
So there you go. 

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So this is your yeah, this is 
your foot. 

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This is your second time to to 
enter enter the podcasting 

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Waldman. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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Feels like I'm getting famous. 
Now. 

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You are mate. 
You are indeed if we're ever 

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every second, you talk on this 
make, I'm sure sure many people 

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can be listening to this and 
wondering all about you and how 

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you got into the Hobby and that 
kind of stuff. 

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So and it's something. 
I don't know. 

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We like we know is we know each 
other through the Discord 

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channel, on the create command 
podcast, but and now through The

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Cowabunga painting Challenge and
that kind of thing. 

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But yeah, I don't know how, you 
know, I think I'm good at 

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feeling, you're much younger 
than me. 

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So I just, I was just interested
to know how you got into the 

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Hobby and that kind of thing. 
So, take it away when you're 

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ready, mate. 
All right. 

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Yeah, I said I live in Sweden 
but that's the kid. 

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I grew up in Berlin and in the 
Netherlands. 

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So when I was about 12 my friend
started talking about this war 

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hammer and I had no idea what it
was and then I quickly realized 

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that they were talking about. 
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they were talking about the 
science fiction version of 

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course and not the fantasy 
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So they were discussing, you 
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what to play and then they pitch
the Orcs to me that I probably 

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because they didn't want to play
it works. 

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They said these things are 
awesome. 

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You should play them and you do 
jokes on that because Orcs are 

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of course the coolest. 
So I remember getting that Third

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Edition 40K codex, just been 
released, I think maybe back and

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I think it's early 2000s. 
Maybe 2000 One or two somewhere 

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and yeah that's what I got. 
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codecs and I still have that 
very codex today and I love the 

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pink through it because it gives
me all these flashbacks to a 

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Nostalgia. 
So that's sort of when I started

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playing. 
I was 12 at the time for my 30th

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birthday. 
Sort of when I got the first 

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models, I got just got the Codex
before that. 

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So Yeah, what's this was it was 
a while ago. 

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Hmm, interesting, okay, but now 
you like even though you got 

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into it with Third Edition 40K 
with your aux but now you're 

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sort of you're collecting a 
rogue Trader models and that 

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kind of thing for the painting 
challenge. 

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So how did that, how did that 
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Yeah, I think that was, I mean, 
when I sure we we started with 

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Third Edition but at the time 
early 2000s, they were still a 

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lot of second digit code exists 
around and some mates of my 

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brothers. 
They were a lot older. 

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They were Polly 1819. 
They gave us all their old 

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Warhammer stuff that they had 
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So all us kids basically got to 
just run through their entire 

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living room filled with 
Warhammer stuff or just grab 

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whatever we wanted. 
And nowadays I would like to do 

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that together. 
Someplace sometime, you know, so

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if anyone has that laying around
just let me know. 

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But yeah we got there and we 
that's when I found the third 

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second edition or codecs and we 
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were different editions because 
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know, English wasn't our first 
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So we weren't really sure what 
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played the second edition code 
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Look, which was kind of fun 
because it turns out a carnufex 

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in second edition as a two plus 
three, plus save on 2D six. 

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And a third edition, they 
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which means that he was sort of 
immortal and he attend wounds as

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well. 
So, we were like, yeah, that 

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doesn't. 
That makes no sense. 

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But yeah, we were kids, we 
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It was supposed to make sense. 
It was awesome. 

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We had a bunch of fun with it. 
Oh wow. 

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You back in the room. 
I'm back in the room. 

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All right. 
Does that mean we have to start 

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from? 
I'm going to edit it now. 

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Bloody hell. 
That's okay, that's okay, that's

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okay. 
What happened there? 

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Peters Peters connection. 
Just drop down and we're back 

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again. 
So sorry. 

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Make you're talking about. 
Yeah. 

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The sort of the the fun and 
interesting there were sort of 

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mixing rule. 
Set the time. 

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Yeah yeah. 
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And then I mean eventually my I 
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a good hobby and I was quite 
unhealthy at the time, I do 

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stayed at home all the time it 
watching TV. 

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So my parents thought it was 
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started working. 
You know, painting things, 

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building things they were they 
were just happy that he pulled 

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me away from the television and 
yeah, that's what I sort of got 

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into it and then I played, when 
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was 14 all my friends here, 
we're playing as Well, but they 

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were playing fantasy at the 
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So fantasy sort of became the 
norm and we play through 6th 

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edition 7th Edition eighth 
edition and then we stopped 

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playing 8th Edition and went 
back to 40K and it was sort of. 

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I mean, I always every time I 
saw the old models, I mean, I 

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remember I went to gothakon a 
huge tournament in Sweden, 

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right? 
I think that was back in 2015 or

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something. 
And I saw this guy, he had an 

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entire Army There with golden 
green basis, second edition 

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Tiernan models and everything 
painted in, you know, second 

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edition style and he even had 
the old armor cast like extra 

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crimes and Harris boxes and 
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And I remember seeing those and 
I just thought this is just all.

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This is just wonderful and I got
this wonderful nostalgic feel so

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I think since then, I mean, even
if I was attracted to older 

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models, even in fantasy back in 
2010, when I did a night, Golden

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Army and back then you could get
you know, hero hammer style 

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models that mean they costed 
nothing on eBay. 

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I just I just bought everything 
so I had a lot of skwiggs and 

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skwiggs handlers from the older 
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always liked that part and then 
then my hatred for metal models,

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grew stronger. 
I just went all into plastic 

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and, you know, 40K got into 
competitive 40K and played at 

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the attc as well. 
And so then for some reason I 

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learned through when I started 
with War Machine and hordes it 

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completely different word game, 
all of the models, or a lot of 

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them were in metal. 
And that's when I sort of 

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learned how to pin the models. 
And after I learn how to pin 

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models, I realized metal is by 
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So now, Now, I don't want 
anything but metal models, 

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really. 
But I think my entire idea was 

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when I found my old second 
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Gosh, cool model. 
And I was about Caribbean 2018 

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or something 2017, maybe. 
And when I got this feeling that

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I would like an army of these 
old works, and I just posted on 

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the Swedish 40K for him looking 
for old Orcs so I painted my 

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gosh. 
Go land-based him with fucking 

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Golden Green. 
And I asked on the Swedish 40K 

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for him. 
Does anyone here have you know, 

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old old Orcs And two of my 
friends replied? 

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They're like yeah sure. 
I have tons. 

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You can just get it. 
I'll just you just pay for the 

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shipping and I'll send it to 
you. 

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And I got, I mean, I got so much
stuff. 

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It was insane. 
And that's sort of when this 

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journey started so to speak 
second wish of 40K Journey. 

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And I think it was in 2019 that 
I picked up fantasy again 

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because I'd only been playing 
40K for many years solo, my 

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fantasy armies. 
And I've been playing some age 

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of Sigmar as well. 
I mean, I do find them both 

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enjoyable. 
I think they're fun games but 

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something even then nostalgic 
Drew my mind to 6th edition one 

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fantasy and because that's what 
I played as a kid when I got 

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back to Sweden, when I was 14. 
With my mates. 

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That's when I play the sixth 
edition fantasy and I let I send

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a message to one of my friends. 
I haven't talked to you in a few

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years. 
So I said, do you remember we 

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used to play Fantasy at your 
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Do you still have all your all 
are all my old army books and 

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with wharfs and such. 
Do you still have that laying 

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around there? 
We sold it or throwing it away 

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and he just said, oh yeah and 
then you just send me a picture 

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and he had pulled it all out and
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He sent it all to me. 
So it was basically two massive 

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bags, worth of white dwarf 
magazines because I had to 

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subscribe to white dwarf back in
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I had every month issue and then
a bunch of army books as well. 

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Tons of them and that's when 
they sort of, that's what it 

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reignited fantasy. 
How do you say the fantasy part 

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of me? 
So And I had started collecting 

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skaven fifth edition skaven and 
since I have a bunch of friends 

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here, I mean, at the club who 
play 9th age, right? 

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So I had my skaven Army, so we 
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And then I had some corn demons 
laying around and we played some

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with them. 
And yes, I sort of been 

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collecting old Hammer models 
through the past years and 

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getting trying to get good deals
when I see them trying to not 

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buy them too expensive because 
Me the prices compared to ten 

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years ago there. 
I mean, that's insane. 

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They've increased by by a large 
margin, so to say it's really 

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noticeable. 
That old Hammer is growing 

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again, or do we still call it 
old Hammer even or do the old 

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Hammer? 
The true old Hammer is get angry

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at us, or what do we call 
ourselves? 

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Middle hammers, I don't know. 
But yeah, so that's sort of when

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this journey started and then, I
mean I was, I was always 

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painting for tournaments back in
the day, right back in. 

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When I, when I played 
competitively, you always paint 

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it. 
You always bought the newest 

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stuff paying it it quickly 
because the tournament was on 

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the way. 
And I remember, I think it was 

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in 2014. 
I went to 2348 ornaments, which 

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means I was away more than every
other And that entire year. 

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And then when you want to like 
get better and stay on top, you 

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sort of have to get the newest 
stuff all the time. 

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So I played two units and demons
back in the day, the demons has 

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always been a large part of me. 
I really love those. 

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I've always have which is why I 
did the old world news Peppa 

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soda when I talk demons for 
three hours. 

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But in 40K demons Orcs And 
tyranids have always been my 

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largest love, so to speak. 
Not a big Big fan of the 

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Imperium, especially space means
I think they're rather 

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ridiculous and stupid. 
So I'm not really a big fan but 

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I can still see that, you know 
there's a little charm in it 

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when you see the Old Second 
Edition model, especially even 

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the Rogue Trader like the b key 
ones on their land Speeders and 

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the weird old bikes. 
So like kind of like in those 

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but in general I don't play 
those armies. 

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I don't play the Imperium. 
Just play xenos or chaos. 

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And, yeah, that's sort of when I
mean, when you only paint a lot 

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of stuff for tourneys, right? 
That's when you sort of get this

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feeling that painting is no 
longer and something enjoyable, 

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it's something you just do you 
have to do it, you have to get 

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it done because it needs to be 
done for the tournament and you 

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need to paint this thing because
it's the best and you need to be

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able to win. 
And I did that for many years 

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until 48 took a turn for the 
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half, I think of seventh edition
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everything could charge first 
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anything to react and that's 
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Warhammer. 
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hammer or hero, Hammer era 
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So nice - cool. 
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him, I don't even know what it 
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Angels and I had like a 
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stuff on the table and he got 
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playing turn heads or something 
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50 dice. 
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these shooting attacks and I 
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fun. 
It's just not a really a fun 

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game at all. 
It basically has become a bucket

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of dice game. 
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Yeah, that was though. 
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and I'm assuming he had a couple
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the strength six shooting, which
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toughness for. 
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in the day. 
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and it was just, I mean, the 
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they still only had one Moon 
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they're gonna die. 
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shots and that's stores. 
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an entire unit of screamers with
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Alton them, and the entire unit 
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re-roll. 
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one Moon, so that's crazy. 
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shooting of a garden taotie was 
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I mean, even they couldn't, they
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it. 
They couldn't even break through

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anything. 
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or some spell that made the 
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Yeah, sort of like what happened
to you then? 

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Yeah, it's just the game took 
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Like they went to for much one 
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it out by going way, too far the
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that the scrap the entire thing.
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which was completely different. 
They just took a lot from agency

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more and just really redid the 
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through like a transition of 
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Games which had changed hands in
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thing, like upper management, 
the CEO left. 

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came in and sort of just 
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or less a Yeah, I think so. 
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release of ancient Sigmar and 
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finally started caring about the
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integrated them, you know, they 
ask questions, they had a team 

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working, they have playtesters, 
they just look at who are the 

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biggest bloggers in the biggest 
players in the world. 

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We need them and they sort of 
got their help and they started 

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reaching out to the community, 
and they started releasing FAQ 

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is more regularly and such. 
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started doing that, I mean 
someone showed the graph. 

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The other day that GW has 
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thousand percent in the last 
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insane. 
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helped them. 
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people are staying home, buying 
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So I think it's nice that they 
have gone more back to basic. 

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I remember when I played the 
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actually got a very second 
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me a little happy. 
So Nice, mate. 

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Okay, that's great. 
I haven't, I haven't touched any

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of the new additions and I'm 
very really touch anything that 

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can switch to bring out now, you
know, that's just, just just me 

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just out of lack of Interest or 
I'm just not going to spend the 

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money on all this new stuff 
anymore. 

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It's just I've been there done 
that kind of thing. 

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And I love me and I think for 
most most of us most of us now 

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who in this kind of hero, Hannah
kind of movement a cult Maybe 

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Yeah we're also the same thing 
was sort of just thing. 

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We'll hang on. 
We didn't finish all this stuff 

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back in the in the 90s, why the 
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And start new stuff? 
When we got all this other stuff

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to finish off or discover all, 
and that kind of thing. 

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So, But I think a large part 
that, I mean, the hero Hammer 

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Community has become such a nice
Community. 

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I mean, people are really 
supporting each other's and 

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really supportive of any project
or any thoughts or and it's just

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people are making lists about 
you know, making the fun of it 

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and how should we have fun in 
this game? 

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And I don't know that that part 
really tickles me because I 

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mean, we're all we've all gotten
pretty old, right? 

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Probably the one of the youngest
in the community, if we don't 

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count, you know, polish Marcel. 
But, and I'm 33. 

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I mean, some, most people are 
definitely in their 30s. 

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Probably in the early 40s which 
means that, you know, chasing 

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tournaments and becoming the 
best that a miniature game. 

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Its most people aren't really 
there in this community, which 

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is very nice II. 
Don't have any interest at all 

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in playing like, If the addition
competitively, I think it's 

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rather uninteresting. 
I just like to get the coolest 

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models and paint them and of 
course if you build a list you 

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can look at what's good and 
what's bad. 

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But I mean I mean mummies for 
example, I remember playlist 

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calls talking about how bad they
were. 

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They were just horrible and I 
just thought yeah, but they are 

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awesome. 
They're like some of my favorite

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models in the on date range and 
I have 20 of them. 

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So I'm going to play them. 
I need them because they're so 

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cool. 
So I totally agree and I think 

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mummies are just fantastic 
models. 

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And man their stats that those 
stats is call out to me. 

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Like yeah, you need. 
I've got how many I got a only 

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eight of those but mean, that's 
what is that amount about 400 

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points 300? 
Yeah, it's just insanely 

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expensive, but their stats are 
just amazing. 

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Yeah, this incredible. 
Yeah. 

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I mean, they're really slow and 
that's sort of the point. 

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So I mean it's I mean, there 
needs to be some balance 

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somewhere, and I was really 
happy because I started. 

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I just got my Krell home the 
other day, because I have a 

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building in an army lists for 
6th edition fantasy that they 

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released in the white dwarf, 
called Army of the Cairns, which

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is like Heinrich himmler's, 
personal Army and it's very much

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has the feeling of the old 
Undead because you have wells, 

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you have grave guard, they're 
called Barrel guard. 

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You still have into Two, one 
switch is like mummies and they 

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have ghosts, as well, not the 
Banshees, but ghosts, and they 

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have a character on a chariot 
that can make the Chariot fly, 

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which is very Arkin feeling. 
So, yeah. 

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It's just like, I really enjoy 
that that Army and I thought it 

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was sort of it felt a bit like 
in a marsh to like the hero 

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Hammer days at the undead Army 
book when they release that. 

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So, Really enjoying those. 
It's supposed to let me rule of 

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cool is the way to go, right? 
Yeah, I think so. 

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Just go with what you like. 
I think nowadays. 

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Yeah. 
That's the best. 

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Have you ever seen? 
Have you seen the 4th edition? 

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One of the undead book? 
Oh yeah, I have it. 

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Oh cool. 
Yeah, it's one of my favorite 

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ones actually is awesome. 
Yeah, I really enjoy it. 

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I think it's fantastic. 
I am missing the fifth edition. 

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One of the vampire count book 
though, which I wish I really 

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want to get a whole lot, but 
every time it pops up on Swedish

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eBay. 
It goes for like 40 euros and I 

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really don't want it. 
Yeah, I don't want it that much.

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Yeah, okay, yeah. 
It's yeah, that's the thing, 

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right? 
I mean, old Hammer is really 

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popped up again and the people 
want the old stuff. 

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Hmm. it's really noticeable on 
the auction sites and I think 

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that's it's rather wonderful 
that and I from what I gather, 

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the pandemic has helped a lot 
with this since people were sort

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of people have been home for a 
year and when you're home and 

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you don't have much to do is you
start maybe picking up old 

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Hobbies old projects when you 
realize that you can sit in a 

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meeting whilst building models 
because you might only be an 

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audio or something or they don't
see your hands. 

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So you do, you can build models 
at the same time. 

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It's seems to get people 
interested. 

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And I mean, the hero Hammer 
group and the Chrono command 

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podcast community, and we're 
minutes grown so much in the 

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past year. 
It feels like it's grown a lot 

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in the last. 
Just six months or something 

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since the challenge started. 
And I sort of to me since 

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painting since I talked about, 
you know, painting became sort 

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of a chore that you just had to 
do. 

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I remember when I stopped 
playing war hammer and I played 

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War Machine and hordes instead 
and I got a new Army that was 

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just released and I really like 
the aesthetic of it and I just 

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got like, you know, one unit and
one character. 

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And then I spend the nights 
painting those models with no 

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rush, no, not chasing a 
tournament, no rush with it at 

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all. 
And I just really enjoyed the 

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painting. 
That's also where I started like

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advancing as a painter, as well,
because I didn't need to do it 

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very quickly anymore so I could 
just try to I mean, instead of 

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dry brushing and washing, I 
could try the highlighting thing

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because I'd really never given 
that much of a try. 

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Well while back in, you know, 
2010 or something with some 

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ogres for Fantasy. 
My friend gave me, his ogre Army

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and said you need to paint this 
because you need to work on 

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highlighting because you're 
painting sucks. 

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And I thought well, thank you I 
guess. 

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Yeah, thanks very much. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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Thank you very much but at least
he gave me an ogre Army. 

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So I mean that was nice. 
But yeah, that's sort of my 

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highlighting started but then I 
removed it. 

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I mean, I stopped doing it 
because it wasn't quick enough. 

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I started to, I needed it to be 
done faster. 

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So I mean, I remember I mean I 
painted like a hundred gaunt's 

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term organs in a day. 
I mean in an evening so sitting 

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up all night before the 
tournament just getting 

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everything done, everything 
painted everything. 

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Finished. 
And when I started painting at 

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night back in 2017, I think 
painting the new Army and just 

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enjoying the painting. 
That's what I really fell in 

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love with painting again. 
That I thought this is really 

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enjoyable and when doing it 
slowly and taking your time, 

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it's actually very therapeutic. 
And yeah and I think when I like

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personally, I had almost hit the
hit a wall back, then I sort of 

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work too much and had to let it 
go see a doctor because of 

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stress and such. 
So I stopped all my you know I 

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got off all the board's I was on
and then I stopped studying and 

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just kept working like 40 or 50 
percent and yeah then it was 

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really therapeutic at night. 
It really made my mind calm 

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down. yes, I really enjoyed that
and when I started painting, the

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second edition Orcs is, when I 
really started, you know, 

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Falling in love with this, the 
style of painting. 

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So now I use spacing the only 
contrast paint to paint make 

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sometimes use an airbrush. 
But when the painting the old 

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Hammer I really like that. 
The contrast paints are so 

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vibrant. 
So they really get this old or 

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hero Hammer feel and then of 
course not highlighting them 

448
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:12,300
makes them seem kind of flat and
not very good which is think the

449
00:26:12,300 --> 00:26:16,200
problem is people don't like 
Because they think it's just the

450
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:17,500
one thick coat and then it's 
done. 

451
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,800
And that's of course, how jump 
DW markets as well, one of the 

452
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,800
coat and then you're done. 
Yeah, sure. 

453
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,100
That that might be enough to, 
you know, to get it on the 

454
00:26:26,100 --> 00:26:29,100
table. 
But once you start highlighting 

455
00:26:29,100 --> 00:26:32,000
the contrast and I do that by 
just mixing, the same contrast 

456
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,300
paint with white regular paint, 
not the contrast. 

457
00:26:36,700 --> 00:26:39,500
So, I mean, it for my Orcs, for 
example, I paid orc flesh. 

458
00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:42,000
And then I just mix that with 
what Leo's dead white, the 

459
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,400
regular one, and then I 
highlight with that. 

460
00:26:44,500 --> 00:26:47,700
Just mixing more white, which 
means I never need a lot. 

461
00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:51,500
I mean, I always mix colors. 
I'm not big on the whole, no 

462
00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:52,900
mixing. 
I'm an orphan mom. 

463
00:26:52,900 --> 00:26:55,100
A number of friends of mine hate
mixing colors because they 

464
00:26:55,100 --> 00:26:58,600
always forget how like, how do 
they move on? 

465
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,400
How did they do it last time? 
How was the mix? 

466
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,700
And so on, but I just think 
mixing is for Superior. 

467
00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:06,900
So, yeah, I've been really 
enjoying this way of painting. 

468
00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:10,800
The contrast makes it feel quick
and the highlights makes it pop.

469
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,900
So, Yeah, yeah, really look like
the look of your old, boys. 

470
00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:18,400
You done with contrast paints. 
I think it does give that really

471
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,600
vibrant. 
Look to them the good nice red 

472
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,600
booties on and that kind of 
thing. 

473
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,400
So that really second edition in
their Aesthetics. 

474
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,800
So I think, yeah. 
I think contract contrast paints

475
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,600
does work for that old old 
Hammer sort of look to them, 

476
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,500
don't they? 
You know, for second edition 

477
00:27:35,500 --> 00:27:37,200
especially because they're very 
bright colors. 

478
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,200
Usually Oh yeah, definitely. 
I think they're just yeah I 

479
00:27:42,208 --> 00:27:43,600
think they're fantastic for 
that. 

480
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,900
Old feel and I did have a period
in my life. 

481
00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:51,500
When I didn't do a lot of 
Warhammer when I sort of moved 

482
00:27:51,500 --> 00:27:54,400
to this town, I live in. 
Now I live for the South before 

483
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,900
and I didn't do very much 
Warhammer just a bit here and 

484
00:27:56,900 --> 00:28:00,100
there but a fantasy and then I 
got here and I had my own 

485
00:28:00,100 --> 00:28:02,900
business. 
I worked as a body artist so I 

486
00:28:02,900 --> 00:28:05,300
did a piercing since 
carbocations and such and I 

487
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:08,800
worked here and then it turns 
out there was a gaming Club. 

488
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,800
In town and I saw on the Swedish
40K for him that someone had 

489
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,200
asked that they wanted to 
organize. 

490
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,400
The tournament that didn't 
really know how to do it and I 

491
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,300
thought, hey I give you, I'll 
give you a hand, I sort of enjoy

492
00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:23,400
it. 
So I went there and met this guy

493
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,400
which is nowadays. 
We're very good friends to sue 

494
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,000
name is Christopher, he's also 
place. 

495
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,000
He also I mean as soon as I 
started sixth edition fantasy a 

496
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,000
couple years ago I just pulled 
him into it immediately and he 

497
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,900
was totally, you know, hooked on
it as well. 

498
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,300
And we have yet to play a game 
because we don't live in the 

499
00:28:38,308 --> 00:28:39,300
same town. 
Anymore. 

500
00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:42,300
So which is how I feel is a 
regular problem. 

501
00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:43,800
What do you like? 
Oh yeah, I want to play older 

502
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,800
editions and then you realize 
there are people who want that 

503
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,300
too, but they are an hour away 
two hours away, five hours away,

504
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,900
or a different country or in 
different countries. 

505
00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:55,800
Some of them are even, you know,
in Japan. 

506
00:28:57,300 --> 00:28:58,400
So you would have figured that 
out. 

507
00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:00,600
All right. 
Yeah, it's just so weird. 

508
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,800
And in that sense, it's just 
It's nice that there's so many 

509
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,200
people interested and I think it
will be awesome. 

510
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,200
I mean I talk to Marcel Marcel 
in Germany and we were 

511
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,700
discussing it with out how fun 
it would be to have sort of an 

512
00:29:14,700 --> 00:29:18,600
event maybe in Germany or 
Denmark, maybe like Northern 

513
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,100
Germany. 
So it's easy to for people to 

514
00:29:21,108 --> 00:29:24,800
get to, in Europe. 
It will be so much fun to like 

515
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,500
gather the hero Hammer Community
for a weekend of play and such 

516
00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:31,600
for some sort of event, maybe a 
tournament, or maybe just a 

517
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,400
massive playdate. 
Yeah, that'd be awesome. 

518
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,800
Yeah. 
Yeah, we have, we have been 

519
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,000
throwing out the idea of doing 
going the to, they bring out 

520
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,900
your lead in the UK, at some 
point in the future. 

521
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,300
Probably not this year next 
year, maybe the year after or 

522
00:29:46,300 --> 00:29:48,600
something like that but yeah, 
that's definitely a possibility.

523
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,600
It's sort of, you know, fairly 
Central to everybody I guess in 

524
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,000
that part of part of the world. 
Yeah bring out your letter would

525
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,000
be amazing to get you. 
I mean I just heard about that I

526
00:30:02,008 --> 00:30:04,900
think it was two years ago or so
I found the old her old Hammer 

527
00:30:04,900 --> 00:30:09,800
Forum which is probably one of 
the only active Forum still one 

528
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,400
of the few anyway and there is 
something about bring out your 

529
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,900
lead or said boil and I had like
what the heck is that isn't that

530
00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:19,900
the guy and you know, Brooklyn 
Nine-Nine and then it turns out 

531
00:30:19,900 --> 00:30:23,100
it was just Bring out your lead 
and I thought. 

532
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:24,900
What the heck is this? 
And I started reading about it 

533
00:30:24,900 --> 00:30:28,200
and I thought this sounds like a
like a dream like the best 

534
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,400
Convention of all time. 
So yeah, really hoping to get to

535
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,100
that one day. 
Yeah man. 

536
00:30:34,100 --> 00:30:36,700
I think we're all sort of hoping
that we can all do it and manage

537
00:30:36,700 --> 00:30:41,300
it at some point. 
Probably in the next couple of 

538
00:30:41,300 --> 00:30:42,700
years. 
I don't think international 

539
00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:47,300
travel is going to be kind of 
lifted as in, you know, ease of 

540
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:49,900
access of flying places anytime 
soon. 

541
00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:51,400
So probably a couple of years 
time. 

542
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,900
It's more of like a realistic 
data, isn't it 20:23 or 

543
00:30:54,900 --> 00:31:01,100
something like that? 
I'd say, but that how A bit 

544
00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:04,000
like, you know, having like a 
even like sort of like a big 

545
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,400
narrative campaign, 50 addition 
game or doing like a something 

546
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,900
similar to that for second 
edition. 40K. 

547
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:13,600
Yeah. 
That would be amazing. 

548
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,300
I mean, I looked through all my 
old stuff and sold some models 

549
00:31:17,300 --> 00:31:20,400
like old Hammer model from 
Trader cows dreadknots and such.

550
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:22,900
And I talked to a couple of 
people in the second edition 40K

551
00:31:22,900 --> 00:31:25,500
group and then you realize that 
they're in Britain and they have

552
00:31:25,500 --> 00:31:28,100
all these old armies. 
And this guy I sold the Rogue 

553
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:31,300
Trader. 
Chaos tried not to He showed his

554
00:31:31,300 --> 00:31:33,700
corn Army and it was just I 
think his name is Morgan 

555
00:31:33,700 --> 00:31:36,400
Sinclair and the Army. 
If you guys are in the second 

556
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,600
edition for the gate group, just
search for his name and you'll 

557
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,600
see the pictures of his corn 
Army and it was freaking magical

558
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,900
and I was so happy that he was 
the one who bought my old models

559
00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:46,900
because I know that they're 
going to get love here. 

560
00:31:47,900 --> 00:31:50,100
It's always nice. 
Knowing when you sell models 

561
00:31:50,100 --> 00:31:52,500
that they arrived to someone who
will paint them and give them 

562
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:56,900
the love they deserve. 
So I talked to him and he saw my

563
00:31:56,900 --> 00:31:59,600
cinch demon models that which 
are also like rotary Rogue 

564
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,900
Trader era. 
Third Edition fantasy, I think 

565
00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:07,900
and we said, yeah, I have to 
bring those over so we can get 

566
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:10,300
in a big, you know, corns each 
game going. 

567
00:32:12,700 --> 00:32:17,100
So, yeah, it would be wonderful 
to get to bring out your lead to

568
00:32:17,100 --> 00:32:21,400
see how it is, and, of course, 
meet everyone because I mean, 

569
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,300
basically, none of us have met 
each other. 

570
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,300
We're sitting here, you know, on
the Discord re close to every 

571
00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:30,500
night talking painting but no 
one's really met anyone. 

572
00:32:31,700 --> 00:32:34,000
Yeah, we might actually just go 
there and just talk for like 

573
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000
four days and not actually play 
any games with that. 

574
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,500
Be funny. 
All right. 

575
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:43,700
Yeah. 
We meet each other and then we 

576
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:44,900
all hate each other. 
Yeah. 

577
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,800
We're just gets underway by each
other. 

578
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,600
Yeah. 
Once on the internet. 

579
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,400
Yeah, annoying. 
Yeah. 

580
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:57,900
Yeah. 
You'll definitely happen. 

581
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:58,600
Yeah. 
One day. 

582
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:00,800
Yeah. 
I hope so. 

583
00:33:01,500 --> 00:33:04,200
And now, I've really gotten into
the painting challenges with 

584
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,900
chronic command the called the 
crown challenge. 

585
00:33:07,500 --> 00:33:10,100
I thought it was so enjoyable 
because I thought, maybe, I 

586
00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:12,800
could finally finish an army 200
points a month, that's not a 

587
00:33:12,808 --> 00:33:15,700
lot. 
I can do that, and I can do it 

588
00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:17,500
too. 
To an okay level, I think. 

589
00:33:17,500 --> 00:33:21,100
So I started painting, you know,
how focused on the Demons, of 

590
00:33:21,108 --> 00:33:23,200
course was either. 
Back to, as I know, I can't do 

591
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,500
the demons for the challenge. 
I put way too much energy into 

592
00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:27,600
them. 
I even 200 points a month is too

593
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,700
much for that Army. 
And that's also saying something

594
00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:33,700
because demons cost, you know, a
ton of points in fantasy. 

595
00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:36,700
So I switched to a accounts and 
did those instead. 

596
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:41,800
But then when I saw the doctor, 
the Viking doing his second 

597
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,800
edition 40K Challenge. 
And I was sitting here with all 

598
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,100
my old Works fresh from the 
stripper. 

599
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,700
I thought this was, I need to do
this, so I contacted him and he 

600
00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:53,900
said, yeah, we're just going to 
Art the second season as you can

601
00:33:53,900 --> 00:33:56,200
send in, you know, pictures in 
Armistice and stories. 

602
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,900
And yeah. 
So I got to it and I think 

603
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:01,500
that's also been a wonderful 
Community experience. 

604
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,600
Wonderful to see all the old 40 
cases. 

605
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,200
Very nice to be part of both 
challenges because you get to 

606
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,500
see both versions, you know. 
Like you get to see the fantasy 

607
00:34:11,500 --> 00:34:16,199
Orcs And The 40K works and all 
the old nasty fantasy stuff and 

608
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:18,300
the 40K stuff, which is very 
wonderful. 

609
00:34:20,199 --> 00:34:24,000
Because there's something 
Beautiful about ugly models. 

610
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,400
Isn't there? 
When you look at something and 

611
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,400
you look at like modern models 
or maybe like early 2000s before

612
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,400
they started doing everything 
with, you know, flying cloaks 

613
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,699
models are objective the very, 
very beautiful but when you see 

614
00:34:40,699 --> 00:34:46,199
like the old 40K or grins, I 
mean, they're just so ugly that 

615
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:48,600
you have to love them because 
they're just, they're, they're 

616
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,900
so ugly that they become 
beautiful, in that sense in Do 

617
00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:53,199
we have an expression called 
ugly? 

618
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:55,699
Beautiful food snaggy, which is 
very good. 

619
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,500
So, Yeah. 
It's just there's something 

620
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:04,400
magical seeing all this stuff 
and people having it all at 

621
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,800
home. 
It's just truly wonderful and 

622
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,400
hoping I can make that challenge
if I realized today. 

623
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,700
I forgot all my 10 orc boys that
I'm painting, I forgot them at 

624
00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:18,400
my girlfriend's, I packed 
everything up and then I was 

625
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,800
ready to leave and then I forgot
that box and I when I was 14, I 

626
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,500
just realized dang it. 
I was going to finish that was 

627
00:35:24,500 --> 00:35:26,900
these couple of days but finally
you know I have to do them this 

628
00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:32,700
weekend. 
But yeah, it's been really 

629
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:35,200
enjoyable painting. 
The models and you know, painted

630
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,400
he's older works and the fact 
that they're single cast models.

631
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,100
I remember you. 
And I talked about that you 

632
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:44,400
preferred the models with the 
plastic arms because they were 

633
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,200
sort of, I don't know, you found
the more Dynamic just like the 

634
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,000
style of them. 
I think they're just bulk here 

635
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,900
in the bibs. 
Got much better detail on them. 

636
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,400
I don't mind the, the ones 
especially ones, you have that 

637
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,600
variant, you've got and not too 
bad. 

638
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,400
This little like that there's 
this is a variant with this like

639
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,000
really, really quite skinny. 
And they're all sitting on to 

640
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,700
the side, they're sort of 
shooting from the hip. 

641
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:10,000
You know, I don't like those 
particulars that they're way too

642
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,200
small, but the ones you have and
not too bad but I prefer the 

643
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,600
ones which we just don't have 
the arms and they're much bigger

644
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,000
and bulkier. 
I completely agree with you. 

645
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,400
That's also why I have these 
ones because I had the other 

646
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,600
ones, you know, the like the 
really old Rogue Trader. 

647
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,600
Once we're there, she said they 
should from the side, they're 

648
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,000
all and they're all very skinny.
I had some of those and I saw 

649
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,100
them off. 
And then I realized that that in

650
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:39,200
1991, there were marauding Orcs 
released with bolt guns and I 

651
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:44,800
tried to find each sculpt. 
So, and now I have 10 of each 

652
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:49,200
sculpt of five different Scopes.
So, How do you say I have 50 of 

653
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,300
them and 10 of each so, to 
speak, right? 

654
00:36:51,300 --> 00:36:53,200
So the ones you're paying now 
for the marauder ones. 

655
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,400
Yeah, they're The Marauder 
models. 

656
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,000
Yeah. 
They're all them are order style

657
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:01,600
rifles and they're sort of like 
The Inbetweeners, right? 

658
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,400
Yeah. 
They still have the Mana post, 

659
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,700
like single model cast so no 
gluing but they've gotten a bit 

660
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:11,500
bulkier and they still they are.
They've gotten the wide or grin 

661
00:37:11,500 --> 00:37:15,400
of the 90s. 
Yeah, so that's also why I 

662
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,200
really prefer that Cool. 
Yeah, I thought like I said, 

663
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,600
like, you know what we talked 
about before, I really love the 

664
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,700
fact that they're all pretty 
much all single cast models. 

665
00:37:24,700 --> 00:37:27,500
I'd have to pin anything 
together main I did. 

666
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:31,000
Like I did like Infinity for 
like 10 years and by the end of 

667
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,100
it, I mean, it was just it just 
drove me bloody nuts. 

668
00:37:34,100 --> 00:37:37,600
Like, you know, I do buddy drill
my bloody finger with the bloody

669
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,900
pin Vise. 
I would, you know, I do. 

670
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:42,800
I'll just stick my fingers 
together point trying to put 

671
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,600
these tiny little Parts 
together. 

672
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,700
It's small very small joins 
their beautiful But wow, wow, 

673
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:51,500
they like to such a pain in the 
butt back side to put together 

674
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:56,000
and coming back to the the 
single single piece models. 

675
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,200
A single cast ones, has just 
been a breath of fresh air and 

676
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,700
they're just so much better. 
I just, yeah, I think, once I 

677
00:38:01,700 --> 00:38:04,700
made the big switch, I've never 
regretted it. 

678
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:07,400
Even though I can really 
appreciate the Aesthetics of a 

679
00:38:07,408 --> 00:38:11,200
lot of the 3D modeling, and a 
lot of the modern Miniatures. 

680
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:12,800
These days, it look really 
outstanding. 

681
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,500
They just don't have the charm 
and, and character that the old 

682
00:38:15,500 --> 00:38:18,100
models do but maybe Be, that's 
just me. 

683
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,000
I think it's you and everyone 
else in this community I think. 

684
00:38:23,500 --> 00:38:27,600
And even now mean when I post 
pictures online in modern 40K 

685
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,200
groups as well. 
I mean there are or groups on 

686
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,900
Facebook and I post them there 
and there are so many people 

687
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,900
saying I love the basis because 
the bases are gobbling green 

688
00:38:37,900 --> 00:38:40,700
with flock. 
And some of them are just like 

689
00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:42,800
all that is old school and 
they're loving it. 

690
00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:45,500
It's the same one I posted with 
the Swedish 40K groups, people 

691
00:38:45,500 --> 00:38:47,700
are loving it because it's old 
school. 

692
00:38:48,100 --> 00:38:54,700
And It has a certain Nostalgia 
charm that most people that 

693
00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:57,200
played in the early 2000s or 
90s. 

694
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,600
They really the ones that had a 
kind of got a taste of the hero.

695
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:07,900
Hammer models or not, even the 
waters itself, but just how it 

696
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:11,500
looked on the table. 
We know what the green clock, 

697
00:39:11,700 --> 00:39:18,200
the green cloth, and the grass 
Hills and weird buildings and 

698
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,400
such And people just got this 
feeling that this is how it's 

699
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,100
supposed to look this so bad if 
you looks and nowadays, when I 

700
00:39:24,107 --> 00:39:27,400
look at 40K battle fishermen, 
they look amazing and they look 

701
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:31,600
close to realistic. 
Gorgeously done with everything 

702
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:35,400
all the terrain, and they gave 
me maths and such, but once you 

703
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,500
start pulling out the old stuff 
and you paint them beautifully, 

704
00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:40,500
and you put goblin Green, frock 
on their base. 

705
00:39:41,300 --> 00:39:44,900
People are still tickled by 
that, you know, even when they 

706
00:39:44,908 --> 00:39:46,600
don't play it, they don't have 
it themselves. 

707
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,700
They still get this. 
As you said yeah, this charm 

708
00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:55,300
that they feel when they see it.
So yeah, I think it's that's a 

709
00:39:55,300 --> 00:39:58,600
big part and I think also that's
why it's come back. 

710
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:03,000
I mean the community is growing 
Everyday People missing the old 

711
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,900
stuff. 
Hypnose vehicle. 

712
00:40:05,900 --> 00:40:08,300
Yeah, I think I think people are
sort of reminiscing about the 

713
00:40:08,300 --> 00:40:12,000
past or had more time to think 
about their gaming and where 

714
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,600
they stood in like, you know, 
had they had enough of just 

715
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:19,000
these games being recycled over 
and over and over again and they

716
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,500
just gave up and thought 
Margaret, I'm going to go back 

717
00:40:21,500 --> 00:40:24,500
to the additions that I really 
enjoyed or the models. 

718
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:27,200
I really like to paint all the 
armies like to play or that kind

719
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,900
of thing. 
Maybe it does feel like the, the

720
00:40:30,900 --> 00:40:36,100
90s, like the hero Hammer days. 
What do you say it like yours, 

721
00:40:36,100 --> 00:40:38,300
the fourth edition and fifth 
edition fantasy along with 

722
00:40:38,300 --> 00:40:42,000
second edition 40K. 
They seem to have a very large 

723
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,300
following compared to other 
editions 6th edition. 

724
00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:49,000
Fantasy also has a large 
following but I mean there's a 

725
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,300
group for Third Edition 40K and 
it just started a couple of 

726
00:40:52,300 --> 00:40:56,600
weeks ago I think it has hundred
members and people are already 

727
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,000
like, yeah, but it's a third 
edition. 

728
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,400
It should probably be third and 
fourth, because they quite 

729
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:06,300
similar sort of like, the hero 
Hammer fantasy or Additions but 

730
00:41:07,500 --> 00:41:11,500
it's just nice to see people 
falling back to editions. 

731
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:16,300
That they really loved and Third
Edition 40K is a big load for me

732
00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:19,600
because just like, 6th edition 
fantasies where I started. 

733
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:24,000
And it's it's also the one of 
the longest going editions. 

734
00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:26,700
It was going on for a really 
long time, which means they 

735
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:30,100
released a lot of army books and
codexes. 

736
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:33,400
And, you know, campaign books 
and alternative Army lists in 

737
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,300
chapter approved. 
And and you Some Chronicles as 

738
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:40,200
though sixth edition Third 
Edition 40K, as 60% dfb sort of 

739
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,900
has this, I don't know. 
I did. 

740
00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:49,600
It's they're so they're so 
massive and what exists, which 

741
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:54,400
makes it very enjoyable. 
I think. 

742
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,300
Yeah, I think so too, man. 
Now, have you actually played a 

743
00:41:58,300 --> 00:42:02,500
game of second edition recently?
Or I to be honest? 

744
00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:05,900
No, I have never played a game 
of second edition for okay. 

745
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,900
Okay, purely. 
I mean, I, I've only played with

746
00:42:08,900 --> 00:42:11,500
the second edition, codex's 
ensure Edition and that did not 

747
00:42:11,500 --> 00:42:15,000
work. 
So but I do have a couple of 

748
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,300
friends here, who did playback 
in broke Trader. 

749
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,900
And I told them that I had had 
almost finished painting my Orcs

750
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,600
planet. 
Get them done by this summer and

751
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,500
then they were like yeah we're 
coming down, you know, because 

752
00:42:27,500 --> 00:42:30,000
they're about two hours North 
from here and you have to come 

753
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,300
down here. 
I said and teach me second 

754
00:42:31,300 --> 00:42:32,800
edition and they were just oh 
yes. 

755
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,600
So they started digging out 
their old, you know, Imperial 

756
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,400
Garden. 
Eldar and such from the 90s 

757
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:40,100
because they were really 
excited, but then they said I 

758
00:42:40,107 --> 00:42:42,400
don't have any other code exists
and I just laughed and said, 

759
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,200
yeah, well I have actually 
collected almost all of them. 

760
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,200
So if you bring the Imperial 
Guard I can get you the Codex. 

761
00:42:49,100 --> 00:42:51,700
Nice my that's awesome. 
Yeah I think yeah I think by the

762
00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:53,800
summer I think that The 
floodgates will open. 

763
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,400
I think people will be either 
ready to come out of their homes

764
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,100
or being vaccinated or whatever 
and then start playing lots lots

765
00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:02,500
of games so be quite exciting to
see. 

766
00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:06,100
Definitely. 
Yeah, really looking forward to 

767
00:43:06,100 --> 00:43:11,300
it and it's going to be so much 
fun to play the older editions 

768
00:43:11,300 --> 00:43:15,400
and play some fantasy again. 
And I'm probably moving this 

769
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,000
summer. 
I'm moving to my girlfriend's 

770
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,600
which is a couple of hours North
and it turns out I was looking 

771
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,300
for warmer players in that area 
and I was like oh the man they 

772
00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:26,200
were I don't know if there are 
any down there and then I saw 

773
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,500
that Ted Ted Gunderson with the 
cows Warfare Army, he lives just

774
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:32,300
half hour from where I would 
move. 

775
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,400
So I was like, There's a Hero 
Hammer dude right there. 

776
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:38,000
Brilliant, you take. 
I can't, I can't. 

777
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,300
I can't play those beautiful 
cows tours. 

778
00:43:41,300 --> 00:43:43,500
So really looking forward to 
meeting up there. 

779
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,900
So and I also found a gaming 
Club down there and people 

780
00:43:45,900 --> 00:43:48,700
playing, and I posted some more 
pictures and people were loving 

781
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:52,200
the old style and you never know
if people are going to love the 

782
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,000
old editions. 
So I like that which is also why

783
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,100
I like I'm basing my models 
based on the current edition 

784
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:07,300
which is why I like my work. 
Sauron 32 mm basis and yeah, 

785
00:44:07,300 --> 00:44:10,400
it's sort of like to base them, 
the my, my buggies and such on 

786
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,700
the new buggy basis, and I like 
to base them on the current 

787
00:44:13,700 --> 00:44:17,700
basis because that way, I can 
play them in any addition, so to

788
00:44:17,707 --> 00:44:20,700
speak. 
So if someone says to me, I want

789
00:44:20,700 --> 00:44:21,900
to have a game of fourth 
edition. 

790
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:23,500
I'm like, yeah, sure, no 
worries. 

791
00:44:23,500 --> 00:44:26,200
I have the fourth edition 40K or
maybe a real book. 

792
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,300
We can play it if you want to 
play second edition. 

793
00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:30,500
Yeah, I have that too. 
If you want to play 9th Edition 

794
00:44:30,500 --> 00:44:31,600
sure. 
Let's go ahead. 

795
00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:37,100
So I To keep it as why it is 
possible so to speak. 

796
00:44:38,100 --> 00:44:39,700
Yeah, that's cool. 
That's where I mean yeah, 

797
00:44:39,700 --> 00:44:42,700
basically in the competition 
doesn't make a huge difference 

798
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:44,400
anyway. 
I mean it's just a base. 

799
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,000
You just measure from the center
of the model is the same diff 

800
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,200
anyway innit. 
Yeah. 

801
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,800
And to me it just seems that in 
second edition. 

802
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,100
People don't really care. 
It's yes. 

803
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,000
It's just all about the rule of 
cool. 

804
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,200
If you base your, I mean, I 
would note and I would never 

805
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,300
ever base my models on Square 
bases in 40K because to me it 

806
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:07,400
just feels wrong even if it was 
that way in the code exists. 

807
00:45:07,900 --> 00:45:11,400
You know, some of the dreadknots
and the hype Tyrant and such to 

808
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,500
me, it just no, no square is 
fantasy and round is 40k that. 

809
00:45:15,500 --> 00:45:17,700
That's, that's how I tell them 
apart, you know? 

810
00:45:18,500 --> 00:45:21,400
Yeah. 
So I always go with the round 

811
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,800
basis, but I've never seen 
anyone to comment on a base. 

812
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,500
I mean, when you see modern 
models in 40K groups on 

813
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:32,600
Facebook, for example, someone 
posts a model on the wrong base 

814
00:45:32,700 --> 00:45:34,600
and then there's like a hell of 
a discussion. 

815
00:45:35,300 --> 00:45:41,200
That's not legal, you know? 
And I've never ever seen that in

816
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,700
any of the here, a second 
edition groups, Never it's and 

817
00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:47,900
that's very nice to see that 
people don't care. 

818
00:45:48,300 --> 00:45:51,000
Yeah, that's true. 
And it's funny. 

819
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,700
The point out the square base on
that on the, on the, is it the 

820
00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:58,500
tyranids or some of the models 
for the, for the terminals? 

821
00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:02,200
Yeah, that's it. 
Yeah, I saw those. 

822
00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:04,600
Yeah. 
And I actually forgot that they 

823
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,000
were on Square bases. 
It's so weird to look at it now.

824
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:08,700
But yeah, they were in square 
bases. 

825
00:46:08,700 --> 00:46:11,600
It was really weird because they
didn't have big large round 

826
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,800
bases in production at the time.
So That was the only thing that 

827
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,400
could base them on. 
So, yeah, I would much prefer to

828
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,400
see those around bases. 
Yeah, definitely it just feels 

829
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:28,200
it feels more right. 
It just does and I think it's 

830
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,000
and I would never complain if 
someone based them on squares. 

831
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:35,200
I thought, you know, you to you 
is your models but myself I 

832
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,400
would never be able to it. 
It would just feel it would not 

833
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,000
be. 
In line with what I was 

834
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,400
thinking. 
But that's also because I 

835
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,100
started playing in Third Edition
where everything had around 

836
00:46:47,100 --> 00:46:48,800
bases. 
There were no Square bases and 

837
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,200
Third Edition, if I recall 
correctly, even the turn, it 

838
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,900
started moving to round basis 
there The Hive time. 

839
00:46:57,900 --> 00:47:01,000
It wasn't a 40 mil round base. 
And the yeah, that's actually 

840
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,600
when they got the Epic bass, you
know, the young Baker, epic 

841
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:09,400
Titan base, like there was a 
little flatter than the regular.

842
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,700
And I remember the car Fix was 
actually based on those along 

843
00:47:12,700 --> 00:47:15,000
with this the dreadknots as well
and Third Edition. 

844
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:18,800
All right let's sort of move to 
the polar probably because you 

845
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,400
know they hadn't produced the 60
mm basis yet. 

846
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:26,800
So yeah just yeah they just went
with the ones they had so yeah. 

847
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,300
Cool. 
I didn't know that nice one. 

848
00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:31,900
Yeah. 
What really bugs me about that 

849
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:37,200
though is the like what it comes
to g.w. showing things that 

850
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,600
maybe aren't really supposed to 
be is if you look at the Third 

851
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:43,600
Addition tyranids and you look 
at the hype Tyrant and the 

852
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,200
carnufex even on the boxart, 
they are wearing these. 

853
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,700
They have these huge monsters 
citing talents, right? 

854
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:56,500
And the ones that are on the 
model, on the box are not the 

855
00:47:56,500 --> 00:48:00,100
ones you get in the Box, the 
ones on the model are the same 

856
00:48:00,100 --> 00:48:02,200
ones as on the lichter and 
ravinder. 

857
00:48:02,900 --> 00:48:06,000
But the ones you get in the Box 
are made from plastic and 

858
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,400
completely different shape. 
And look, look a lot more ugly 

859
00:48:09,700 --> 00:48:10,700
than the other ones on the 
market. 

860
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:15,200
And I thought this is really 
funny because it just shows that

861
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,700
you w themself know that the 
models look better with this. 

862
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,000
So let's show them with that. 
But that we don't put it in the 

863
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,900
box which is something I hadn't 
even thought about until I got 

864
00:48:26,900 --> 00:48:28,900
all the pieces home for these 
old models. 

865
00:48:28,900 --> 00:48:31,900
And I realized this is wrong, 
this is not how it's supposed to

866
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:35,400
be. 
So yeah that was wait. 

867
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:38,900
Yeah no sir. 
Okay cool. 

868
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,800
But yeah it's yes. 
I mean I'm I've been in this 

869
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,100
hobby now. 
For what 20 20 years, roughly, 

870
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:53,100
exactly 20 years I just turned 
33 and my 30th birthday was when

871
00:48:53,100 --> 00:48:56,500
I got my first models. 
So nicely young pup. 

872
00:48:56,700 --> 00:48:57,900
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

873
00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:03,100
Still the young pop definitely 
in this community was not a 

874
00:49:03,107 --> 00:49:04,600
regular. 
Community. 

875
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:05,900
You know, you're starting to get
old. 

876
00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:09,100
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

877
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,800
But that is actually an issue. 
I mean I remember I was talking 

878
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,700
about that at our gaming Club. 
We're trying to really get kids 

879
00:49:15,700 --> 00:49:20,400
into the community into the club
to play 40K and fantasy and just

880
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:25,900
do some modeling and realize 
this is a nice hobby because we 

881
00:49:25,900 --> 00:49:28,100
realize that, we're all getting 
older and even at the 

882
00:49:28,100 --> 00:49:30,200
tournaments, people are getting 
older. 

883
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,300
They're not, there's not a lot 
of fresh blood coming in. 

884
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,300
Hmm. 
And which is the problem. 

885
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:38,900
I feel if you want to. 
Yeah, that's right. 

886
00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:41,500
I bet you continue but 
apparently, I mean, GW are doing

887
00:49:41,500 --> 00:49:43,200
very well. 
I mean, there are the prophets 

888
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,400
are greatly increased so they're
probably they're mean, they're 

889
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:47,800
not dying. 
Yeah. 

890
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,600
So something seems to be going, 
right? 

891
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:54,900
But I don't know it just if the 
game dies out in your community 

892
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,500
where you live, then it's still 
a problem. 

893
00:49:58,900 --> 00:50:01,800
Yeah, for, for that community, 
so to speak. 

894
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,800
So we're trying to Incorporate 
two kids and getting them into 

895
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,300
the game. 
Yeah, my I had, I had one of my 

896
00:50:09,300 --> 00:50:14,800
students come back to me at my 
school, just dropped in, just by

897
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,900
chance because I think it's on 
holidays, at the moment and he's

898
00:50:17,900 --> 00:50:21,500
going to UNI now so you started 
uni and I've been teaching for 

899
00:50:21,500 --> 00:50:24,100
like, I don't know, five years 
or something like that before 

900
00:50:24,100 --> 00:50:25,800
then. 
And I started, I started 

901
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,200
bringing like Talisman second 
edition and playing with with 

902
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,700
him and a few other kids around 
his age in high school and 

903
00:50:32,700 --> 00:50:35,700
during High School, And they 
really enjoyed playing the game.

904
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:38,100
And his English ability is quite
good because he lived in 

905
00:50:38,100 --> 00:50:42,000
Australia for like a year and he
came in. 

906
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,100
And he said, I like I'm pretty 
bored and that kind of thing, I 

907
00:50:44,100 --> 00:50:46,700
did not to do and I said, look 
like, I've got a board game here

908
00:50:46,700 --> 00:50:48,700
you can take it. 
Just take it home and just play 

909
00:50:48,700 --> 00:50:51,400
it with one of your friends or, 
you know, to start reading the 

910
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,600
rules and that kind of thing. 
Learn how to play it. 

911
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:56,000
Come on, bring it back and we'll
play a game together. 

912
00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,600
So I gave him the that, you 
know, the underworlds board 

913
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,100
game. 
The first one. 

914
00:51:02,100 --> 00:51:04,700
Oh, yeah, yeah. 
Not. 

915
00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:06,900
So I don't. 
You want to see what's the first

916
00:51:06,900 --> 00:51:11,900
one shade Spire shade spot? 
Yeah, I gave him that because 

917
00:51:11,900 --> 00:51:15,800
I've got it in a trade with a 
guy here in Japan and I did I 

918
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,300
didn't mind playing the game, 
it's got quite the some really 

919
00:51:18,300 --> 00:51:21,300
nice mechanics with the cards 
and that kind of thing the 

920
00:51:21,300 --> 00:51:27,500
miniature. 
Yeah, it's not really my taste 

921
00:51:27,500 --> 00:51:31,700
but I've got my Undead warband 
and that's that's all I need. 

922
00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:35,800
I think that the coolest looking
guys on the Block, But as I just

923
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:37,500
gave the game a little bit, you 
know, just take it. 

924
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,700
You know, he said I was cool. 
Thanks, I'll take it to the 

925
00:51:39,700 --> 00:51:42,100
university and I said, make 
discount start a boardgame club 

926
00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:45,600
or something like that there and
you'll find something with guys 

927
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,100
who want to play. 
So hopefully we've got a new 

928
00:51:49,100 --> 00:51:53,600
gamer coming through the ranks 
there and he'll he said, I said 

929
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,800
go to the Games Workshop in 
Tokyo because there's a there's 

930
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,000
a number of those Warhammer 
stores there and you can buy 

931
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,700
some extra, you know, wall bands
order for it. 

932
00:52:01,700 --> 00:52:04,200
And he might now cities because 
you look For a job. 

933
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,400
I said once you learn the game 
and go work for Games Workshop 

934
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,700
down there so I might do that. 
So yeah, be quite cool but quite

935
00:52:10,700 --> 00:52:17,300
cool to see him to be kind of 
gamer in the future to see the 

936
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:23,900
hobby spreading. 
Like the virus it is but yeah, 

937
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,500
it's just yeah, wonderful. 
And I think underworlds is a 

938
00:52:27,500 --> 00:52:29,000
brilliant game to start off 
with. 

939
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,800
It's just you don't need very 
many models and you get into 

940
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,700
this miniature gaming mechanic. 
It's even if it's a board game, 

941
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:38,400
you still use Miniatures. 
You sort of have to paint them 

942
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,100
and you get this feeling that 
maybe you want to expand. 

943
00:52:42,100 --> 00:52:44,900
Maybe you want to get like an 
army trying to play an army game

944
00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:50,600
were maybe a gang games. 
You can play Nick Rimando or Or 

945
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:52,500
cry, whatever they're called 
nowadays. 

946
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,200
And yeah, the videos are there a
lot of worm restores in Tokyo? 

947
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,900
Yeah. 
There's at least three or four. 

948
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:01,600
I'm thinking there's about four 
of them. 

949
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,400
I've never been to one, but I 
know they're there and yeah, 

950
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,100
but, you know, I don't, I don't 
have any particular reason why I

951
00:53:09,107 --> 00:53:13,400
should go there at all, to be 
quite honest with you, but, but 

952
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,800
I'll be up for younger. 
They go there and have a game of

953
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,600
where my fantasy fifth edition, 
but I'll be thrown that I was 

954
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,300
right out of the place. 
I reckon, I don't know what they

955
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:24,400
like, now, with that. 
I'll be wonderful. 

956
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,700
Like is it alright to book a 
table and play a game? 

957
00:53:26,700 --> 00:53:29,900
It's like yeah sure start 
bringing I don't know your 

958
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:34,200
square base models. 
And yeah if you're lucky the 

959
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,500
people working there are going 
to be like oh, this is 

960
00:53:36,500 --> 00:53:39,200
wonderful. 
You know, it get hit right right

961
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,800
in the Nostalgia. 
Yeah. 

962
00:53:42,900 --> 00:53:44,900
Maybe maybe they might really 
appreciate it. 

963
00:53:44,900 --> 00:53:46,100
I don't know. 
They're probably thing. 

964
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,400
You know, what the hell are 
these things? 

965
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,400
They'll pick them up, go. 
It's made of metal. 

966
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,700
Like, it's really heavy. 
Like the really shocked It's 

967
00:53:52,700 --> 00:53:54,600
because of you all these young 
guys, they've never seen 

968
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,300
anything like it, what we used 
to do, we used to go down to the

969
00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:02,900
local game store and which is 
like you could hire like a table

970
00:54:02,900 --> 00:54:05,500
for the day. 
And yeah, we will be like the 

971
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:08,100
cows, Roadshow like the cows. 
Roadshow was a thing back in 

972
00:54:08,100 --> 00:54:12,900
the, the old Hammer days and 
like really early 90s, where 

973
00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:15,600
they'll bring, you know, the 
studio staff and they'll bring 

974
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,600
all them. 
There may be like a heavy metal 

975
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,100
painter, and they'll run 
demonstration games, and that 

976
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:24,300
kind of thing at the local. 
Games Workshop stores, we're 

977
00:54:24,300 --> 00:54:27,100
kind of like that for Japan will
bring all their old games down 

978
00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:29,900
and people will be like, oh wow,
you know, like oh yeah, I 

979
00:54:29,908 --> 00:54:31,900
remember all these models from 
all these, you know, all those 

980
00:54:31,900 --> 00:54:35,800
years ago and yeah we're kind of
like the museum museum tour or 

981
00:54:35,808 --> 00:54:37,000
something like that. 
Maybe, I don't know. 

982
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,400
But yeah, it's been fun. 
We enjoy the, we enjoy the 

983
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:42,800
reactions. 
We get from people when they 

984
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,900
look at the Miniatures and they 
really enjoy the old stuff I 

985
00:54:46,900 --> 00:54:49,900
think. 
Yeah, it's been quite cool. 

986
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,300
I talked to the guy and I just 
hope this is, this is the most 

987
00:55:00,300 --> 00:55:05,900
beautiful Army here hands down. 
And and he was so happy and he 

988
00:55:05,908 --> 00:55:08,600
was like, yeah, I really like 
these old models and their I 

989
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,200
used to play them in the 90s and
I was like, yeah, this is 

990
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:15,500
unbeatable. 
But of course not. 

991
00:55:15,500 --> 00:55:18,400
Everyone feels that way. 
And my friends here the thing. 

992
00:55:18,500 --> 00:55:21,800
Crazy. 
It's like why would you only 

993
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,100
want ugly models? 
That's what they tell me. 

994
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,600
Ugly, the bloody beautiful, 
absolutely gorgeous. 

995
00:55:28,300 --> 00:55:30,900
I think that, I mean, but they 
really love the modern stuff 

996
00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:35,200
which is like and to me it's 
just I mean, I sort of embrace 

997
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,800
that I usually tell people, when
they say, I have some old stuff 

998
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,900
lying around. 
And I just tell ya if it's old 

999
00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:45,000
and ugly, that's what I want. 
Yeah, that's what I love. 

1000
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,400
Yeah. 
They always metal as well. 

1001
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,300
They were, I just got some 
cheering its home today in 

1002
00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:53,300
metal. 
And some guy just said, I have 

1003
00:55:53,300 --> 00:55:55,700
all these and they're in metal. 
But then I also have these in 

1004
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:59,100
plastic and I was just, yeah, 
I'll give you whatever you want 

1005
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:04,800
for the metals, I'll take metals
and yeah, a rather and it's 

1006
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,300
rather enjoyable how people are 
just throwing it away. 

1007
00:56:07,300 --> 00:56:10,400
When some of us are just, oh 
yeah, this is the stuff. 

1008
00:56:11,100 --> 00:56:13,700
Yeah, I know that we played a 
game of advanced he requests 

1009
00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:15,800
and, you know, you got the 
heroes that are made of plastic 

1010
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,900
and it's a board game. 
So, You know, naturally a lot of

1011
00:56:18,900 --> 00:56:21,800
components of in plastic anyway,
but it's just, it was 

1012
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:24,300
interesting to me how flimsy the
models are because like, you 

1013
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:26,700
know, just one slight touch and 
they're like falling over and 

1014
00:56:26,700 --> 00:56:29,300
like, kind of stuff. 
And I just love the heft and 

1015
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:32,700
weight waiting this to metal 
models that, you know, you can 

1016
00:56:32,700 --> 00:56:35,800
slide them around and move them 
around without them, sort of 

1017
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,700
falling, like, dominoes with 
plastic models, it's always the 

1018
00:56:39,700 --> 00:56:41,700
case. 
I remember playing with my mate,

1019
00:56:41,700 --> 00:56:44,600
Brad playing 40K and I think it 
might have been Third Edition. 

1020
00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:46,700
It might have, it must have been
Third Edition because I think 

1021
00:56:46,700 --> 00:56:50,600
it's about That time was out and
he had all plastic Marines and 

1022
00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:53,100
everywhere I put them and set 
them up on the, on the, in the 

1023
00:56:53,100 --> 00:56:54,900
building stuff. 
That always fall over. 

1024
00:56:55,300 --> 00:56:57,500
You know, you put your hand to 
grab something at. 

1025
00:56:57,500 --> 00:56:59,700
You'd knock five minutes over at
the same time. 

1026
00:57:00,500 --> 00:57:04,800
So yeah, I just don't really 
appreciate playing with plastic 

1027
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,400
models. 
Unless it's epic Space Marine 

1028
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,600
and then you know you've got no 
choice and it's not really such 

1029
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,700
a big issue. 
Yeah I completely agree with 

1030
00:57:12,700 --> 00:57:14,500
you. 
It's when you lift the model and

1031
00:57:14,500 --> 00:57:16,900
you get this. 
Wait yeah. 

1032
00:57:17,100 --> 00:57:21,400
Do you feel that there's a model
here and you don't tip it over 

1033
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:26,000
by looking at it you know? 
It's yeah I think that's but the

1034
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,700
problem with the mental models 
is of course we I mean sometimes

1035
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:32,600
you just look at them in the 
paint falls off, that's also not

1036
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,200
very enjoyable. 
Well, it depends how you 

1037
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,000
varnishing, you should really 
banish them. 

1038
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:41,000
So it's just like, ever since I 
discovered varnish, I always 

1039
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,700
paint that mean probably two or 
three like thick layers on it. 

1040
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:46,400
Yeah. 
Just too. 

1041
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,700
Make sure that this sticks it 
should be sealed. 

1042
00:57:49,700 --> 00:57:52,800
Yeah, I mean, plastic models 
will, they'll rub off the paint 

1043
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,600
will rub off. 
I mean, it nothing's 

1044
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,100
Everlasting, but I always get 
comments, people saying about 

1045
00:57:58,100 --> 00:58:01,300
Metal models to paint will rub 
off, but, I mean, unless you're 

1046
00:58:01,300 --> 00:58:05,500
doing something really horrible 
with them, I don't see how that 

1047
00:58:05,500 --> 00:58:08,600
could really happen so much. 
But unless you're sort of 

1048
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,200
picking like getting your hands 
and just grabbing a whole stack 

1049
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,600
of them at the same time and 
letting them rub against each 

1050
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:15,600
other. 
Yeah, of course, you know it's 

1051
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,300
the paint's going to rub off and
Match but if you look after them

1052
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:24,500
you shouldn't really have much 
issues, I'd say but that's good.

1053
00:58:24,500 --> 00:58:26,700
It's good to know you're doing 
The Vanishing on them on the 

1054
00:58:26,700 --> 00:58:27,800
Miniatures made. 
That's good. 

1055
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,200
Yeah, what I really love about 
the varnish is like people 

1056
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,500
people think that it's only for 
protecting the models, but it 

1057
00:58:34,500 --> 00:58:39,600
really smooth highlights out. 
Yeah, it really makes it. 

1058
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,600
If you've done like a gradient 
highlight and then you varnish 

1059
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,800
it, it makes it look so much 
more beautiful. 

1060
00:58:45,700 --> 00:58:48,600
I did this for my Zine Steve. 
Emmons and I just spray them 

1061
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:52,100
airbrush that mean varnish just 
covered them and it worked so 

1062
00:58:52,100 --> 00:58:54,100
well and it just made everything
look so much. 

1063
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:59,300
Better really Matt models. 
Do look a lot better. 

1064
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:02,400
The paint comes out really, 
really nice looking. 

1065
00:59:03,100 --> 00:59:07,600
So, I went through a stage of 
not, not actually Vanishing 

1066
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,300
anything, so it's quite scared 
of the varnish. 

1067
00:59:09,300 --> 00:59:12,400
What, how it, how it would alter
the actual outcome of the colors

1068
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,800
and the, and the either, the 
vibrancy, or the matte finish or

1069
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,800
For my models. 
Yeah, so I went through a bit of

1070
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,300
a stage where, I just didn't 
varnish anything, but I'm now 

1071
00:59:22,300 --> 00:59:25,600
back to varnishing stuff again 
now, but any of the ones I 

1072
00:59:25,607 --> 00:59:27,800
haven't vanished. 
I haven't really suffered 

1073
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,900
greatly through play or anything
like that. 

1074
00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:35,400
So, yeah, I know some people 
don't even prime Miniatures, 

1075
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,000
which is incredible. 
Some people just don't even 

1076
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,300
prying them. 
There's paint straight over the 

1077
00:59:38,300 --> 00:59:41,700
metal, so I think we're all 
gonna do that. 

1078
00:59:41,700 --> 00:59:44,600
To me is just that's crazy. 
Yeah, that's Madness. 

1079
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,800
Yeah, I think so too. 
No doubt. 

1080
00:59:47,700 --> 00:59:50,300
Even though I own an airbrush 
and I really like using it, I 

1081
00:59:50,300 --> 00:59:53,600
know number friends of mine. 
They they just Prime everything 

1082
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:55,600
with the airbrush, but I still 
use the spray. 

1083
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,600
Can I just think there is? 
Yeah, that's a good point. 

1084
00:59:59,900 --> 01:00:03,000
Even when I use the primers and 
the airbrush I just, it doesn't 

1085
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,700
stick as well as the spray does.
That's true. 

1086
01:00:06,900 --> 01:00:08,400
I would agree with that. 
Yeah. 

1087
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:09,000
Yes. 
I am. 

1088
01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:10,800
I always try to use the spray 
can. 

1089
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,400
And now, of course, I'm using 
the great poem primer, mainly 

1090
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:17,600
because it is contrast paints, 
but otherwise, I, Using the 

1091
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,400
cows, black and the cortex white
primary. 

1092
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:23,000
I mean, this is really also, 
when it comes to primers, I 

1093
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:28,500
think GW their primers are so 
Superior to all other brands 

1094
01:00:28,500 --> 01:00:30,700
that I've used, which is kind of
funny. 

1095
01:00:30,700 --> 01:00:33,800
I don't really know why, but I 
mean, I've used Games Workshop 

1096
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,000
primers, outside in Sweden, in 
any weather rain or snow and 

1097
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,400
nothing matters. 
They just poured perfectly every

1098
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,100
time. 
Most if you have, like an army, 

1099
01:00:43,100 --> 01:00:45,500
caters paykan, that are we 
painting strikebreaking that I 

1100
01:00:45,500 --> 01:00:47,900
used? 
Or was the other One that I 

1101
01:00:47,900 --> 01:00:49,700
don't even recall, I think it 
Bears. 

1102
01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:51,500
I used a number of different 
companies. 

1103
01:00:51,500 --> 01:00:55,100
It's called the ak ak primers. 
All right. 

1104
01:00:55,500 --> 01:00:57,900
And I used a bunch of those 
different ones and the soon as 

1105
01:00:57,900 --> 01:01:01,200
it's, you know, a little humid 
or raining and it just doesn't 

1106
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:07,400
work, you need a dry sort of 
version or side dry, what you 

1107
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:09,400
saying, right? 
Place to be. 

1108
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,100
Mmm. 
And with the GW, can't I just 

1109
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,400
Walk right on the balcony and 
just go nuts with the snake and 

1110
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,100
it's okay, very thankful in that
sense. 

1111
01:01:19,500 --> 01:01:23,500
Yeah, yeah, I've been using the 
airbrush, two prime ministers 

1112
01:01:23,500 --> 01:01:25,700
for years and it's just out of 
convenience. 

1113
01:01:25,700 --> 01:01:29,300
I think more than anything. 
But I do have a spray of because

1114
01:01:29,300 --> 01:01:32,500
I can get pretty cheap here in 
Japan and pretty, you know, 

1115
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,400
almost anywhere now. 
But yeah, get like a little can 

1116
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,200
of white spray just for stuff 
that I need to do with that if 

1117
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,600
that's if that's needed. 
But yeah, I know what you mean. 

1118
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:46,800
I The aerosols they do that. 
The paint does stick to them a 

1119
01:01:46,808 --> 01:01:51,700
lot lot better than the, than 
the airbrush primer. 

1120
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:58,400
But yeah, I mean even if 
sometimes I'll just use the 

1121
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:02,100
aerosol cans. 
Just just to I mean, just to 

1122
01:02:02,100 --> 01:02:04,200
touch the Miniatures. 
You know, just spray them tiny 

1123
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:05,200
tiny bit. 
Yeah. 

1124
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,100
And then I can prime the rest 
with airbrush. 

1125
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,800
Sure. 
But just to get that first layer

1126
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:16,100
of Coat. 
So this primer think it's 

1127
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:21,000
important in that sense. 
Okay, we'll put it, I think we 

1128
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,700
have to wrap it up now but we're
almost we're going past the hour

1129
01:02:23,700 --> 01:02:27,200
mark. 
And yeah, it's been really good 

1130
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:28,700
to talk to you. 
I think we should do like a 

1131
01:02:28,707 --> 01:02:33,000
hobby kind of podcast with, with
lots of people on talking about 

1132
01:02:33,100 --> 01:02:36,300
their applications of either 
priming or painting or 

1133
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:41,100
varnishing giving some hip tips 
from the community. 

1134
01:02:41,100 --> 01:02:42,400
I think that'd be really 
helpful. 

1135
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,200
For a lot of people so it should
have organized something. 

1136
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:48,900
Yeah, with yourself and maybe 
Marcel and a few other guys 

1137
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:54,100
coming on and talking about it 
Benson? 

1138
01:02:54,100 --> 01:02:55,400
Yeah. 
That's that's so in here 

1139
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,400
whiskey, was it? 
Yeah, he's a pretty amazing 

1140
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,700
painter. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1141
01:03:00,700 --> 01:03:03,300
It makes you sick, doesn't it? 
Yes, I will definitely get him 

1142
01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:07,000
on. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1143
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,900
Been painted our dwarfs layer 
for the Rune competition and 

1144
01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:12,300
it's really amazing. 
Yeah. 

1145
01:03:13,700 --> 01:03:17,800
So amazing work, but I never 
understood how he does the paint

1146
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,600
one tiny part and then 
highlighted like 10 steps and 

1147
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,000
then the rest is still white, 
you know. 

1148
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:28,000
Yeah. 
Look at it and I just feel like 

1149
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:31,500
this is insanity. 
Yeah, then I did the same for my

1150
01:03:31,500 --> 01:03:33,300
vampire lord for the challenge 
last month. 

1151
01:03:33,900 --> 01:03:36,200
Okay. 
I can sort of see the charm in 

1152
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:37,600
this. 
Yes. 

1153
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,400
Step-by-step piece by piece. 
Yeah. 

1154
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:42,200
It's very much like a Mike 
McVeigh. 

1155
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,400
So the Well that's what he used 
to do to like this bit by bit 

1156
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,200
piece by piece until the whole 
thing's finished. 

1157
01:03:48,300 --> 01:03:50,200
Yeah. 
But I know it's strange. 

1158
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:53,000
I'm yeah, I've sort of well, 
anyhow, we can talk about that 

1159
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,200
in a hobby related podcast. 
I think that's a really good one

1160
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,700
to do to cover because we 
haven't done that yet and I 

1161
01:03:58,707 --> 01:04:01,100
think a lot of people have got 
all their, you know, years and 

1162
01:04:01,100 --> 01:04:03,800
years of experience to bring to 
that podcast in the future. 

1163
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,300
So they'll be really good one to
listen to. 

1164
01:04:05,700 --> 01:04:08,000
But anyhow, Pita, I'm going to 
say farewell, thanks very much 

1165
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,900
for coming on. 
It's been about Bloody time. 

1166
01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:19,500
Okay, mate, will take care and I
will catch you on Discord. 

1167
01:04:19,500 --> 01:04:21,700
Now, people who don't know about
Discord, we do have a Discord 

1168
01:04:21,700 --> 01:04:25,000
set up. 
Peta, is regularly on their, 

1169
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,200
here's his username as flogger, 
and we've got Marcel and all the

1170
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:30,800
other guys there, as well. 
If you want to come and have a 

1171
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,800
chat with us while you paint, 
then you're more than one more 

1172
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:35,600
than welcome. 
I'll leave a link in the show 

1173
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:39,200
notes below so you can join us 
there if you're not a big 

1174
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,900
Facebook founder. 
So the Instagram Community is 

1175
01:04:42,900 --> 01:04:47,700
also wonderful for showing off 
your stuff and following and 

1176
01:04:47,700 --> 01:04:49,500
such. 
And that's where I met Ben for 

1177
01:04:49,500 --> 01:04:52,700
the first time so it's really 
enjoyable. 

1178
01:04:53,300 --> 01:04:57,300
Well there there I'm called 
pros, play painted so you can 

1179
01:04:57,300 --> 01:04:59,200
check that out. 
How do you know that? 

1180
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,300
- maybe we're friends and I 
didn't know that. 

1181
01:05:01,700 --> 01:05:03,200
Maybe I'll follow you. 
I don't know. 

1182
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:07,800
Don't think I can actually. 
Okay, I have no idea. 

1183
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,200
That was you okay? 
That's good. 

1184
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:13,300
All right, buddy. 
Take care of and have a good 

1185
01:05:13,300 --> 01:05:15,500
day. 
Alright, might see, ya, see ya.