Pretty good John, Johnny Watson today I think it's Tony Watson
talking about you and what you look like.
Like and I said, I don't know. I've never met kind of fixing
person. He could be a living carnufex
living in Sydney, Australia. We have no idea.
We don't know the identity of kind of effects.
Kind of things. We imagine imagine like a
Sasquatch in a wife-beater. Well, there's quite an evocative
image. Okay, well yeah, leave it.
Leave it with us. Maybe we'll get something if you
if you ever watch the Youtube card.
In called the big ledge show. I look like one of the
Sasquatches in that, but like, always wearing a singlet like
our Onslow from Keeping Up Appearances.
So very large. Yeah, if I wish I had Forsyth
arms, that would be great and it's a bigger this deal with
people more content like sailor tattoos.
Like the the big anchor on. I'd I have a small one.
And the tattooist who did it, he complained that he wasn't
getting to use the whole like, you know, canvas.
He was quite quite angry that I just wanted a tiny little thing
I do. Yeah, I know, I didn't.
But you know where the Stanley love, the blue Stanley, singlet
and got totally. Yeah, the grown here, like
sprouting out from underneath the singlet from, from
underneath, your my beards out of control.
I can tell you that much any of the neckbeard?
What you need? I try not to.
But yeah, go get into the spirit again.
Yeah, and the hair growing in the back, lay on your back.
Yeah. Totally.
As you get older, you get more hair in places where you've
never sort of discovered it before.
And yeah, it's a bit of a, no goofy case than it is.
Yeah, it's really become an Argus basically control indeed.
Indeed. All right, my good, sir.
What's been happening this week? I guess.
One thing I neglected to really go over last time was how much
really, really good train people have been making.
So for example, Magnus Stillman, he's been making these really
really cool hedgerows and the guys are using or kinds of like
different flocks and they're more in line with what we used
to see in really early white dwarfs.
And that sort of old Hammer flock.
They're not as grainy and and sawdust see as a sort of light
later, 90s flocks, which I'm going to have to look into what
they're using. These are really like it.
It's really nice green. Like anywhere from Olive to
emerald, green cards, perfect. And Magnus has been making like
a castle out of some kind of like different Foams and things
and it looks great. So far.
I'm really impressed. The other guys have been working
on a multitude of things like covering fire or Ted.
He's been making those awesome second edition spiky.
Spiky, Cactus, which the spike is, I think we're from Rogue
Trader and they did horrible things if you played with them
in Rogue Trader that literally fire like spikes about it.
You and I have a feeling that they might even like sort of
zombie fired you or something like that.
I'd have to go back and read the rules to submit.
Hey, Easy. That sucks.
Someone's probably listening to this and going.
No, you idiot. They did this and which is fair
enough. But they for me that a Spiker
Cactus is one of those penultimate second addition to
rain things and you see them over everyone's videos and
everyone's blood I have been slack.
I haven't made any yet. So when I see everybody else
making them, it's kind of like it's inspiring because everyone
has a different style to do it but they all look like they're
cracking. They look great.
Joseph Justice actually showed off his gaming room and here's
this really cool gaming table with like modular pieces for so
you can move it. So this roads and rivers and
stuff like that is, it'll display cabinets and shelves and
it looks perfect. What can I say better than
anything? I've got at the moment, my room
civil looks like a backorder been for like Games Workshop for
the moment. So to be very careful, I've been
to lots of discussions about how to Like cod model kids out of
the magazines and boxes at like GW sell or put in white dwarf,
Zeb had like a really cool picture where he's cut out all
these different parts for old fantasy buildings out of
different materials like Plastics and Foams and stuff
like that. Like all from craft stores and
yeah it's really cool. Some of the guys are really
talented at putting this sort of stuff together obviously you
mentioned And mast cells building that he'd been working
on for ages when you guys went over his favorite, white dwarf.
That was really cool to see, you know, there's what have a
fantasy house kits. Were.
Excellent. Yeah, isn't it?
Yeah, Revelation to me because I've never seen these before,
but they were available somewhere.
Some point, the 90s, I'm thinking it was like available
everywhere, not just the UK, but the states or whatever.
But you, you can buy it like a preformed kit and it came with I
assumed like high-densit high-density cardboard and
they've just got like some kind of cutter to stencil out the the
shapes and overlays of the exterior, parts of the building
interior parts and you just glue it all together.
So that's a really ingenious way of doing it.
I've never seen them before. So I was really interested
coming across this post at. Yes, net put up on the terrain
section here on the trend Channel.
Pretty cool. Yeah, I'm impressed.
I'm, I'm it's funny because I go on and on and I'm pretty
positive about stuff but I'm this continuously sort of
delighted at the stuff. I sound Discord to some really
trust everyone. Everyone contributes some,
really cool stuff. That's a great to see, you know.
Like suno posted up. It's a like a model tree cutter.
I think it's, I don't know how to pronounce about hecky, a tri
Ki and I know muscle mentioned, they're pretty expensive, but
I've never actually seen one before, but with sort of a large
tree and the leaves kind of look like they're made out of a light
skin or something. But for me, the major thing
about it was you could put models around the base of a tree
when I was a kid and I bought hobby trees, you couldn't put
any models around the base of them.
The, the trunk of it had like sort of like a bit of material
around it to look like wood. And then now we're like a coiled
metal wire and then they went into like a LED or pewter base,
and yeah, there was no room for anything to fit under those.
So nasty, those tacky trees that are pretty big and large, a lot
of people have been making sort of Rocky out outcrops covering
fire. Ted, again, making ones that
look really natural, they look like actual rock.
He's made all sorts of like Rocky Terrain, And he had a
picture with some night Lords in amongst it and it looks
fantastic. Really cool to see and
especially when he made like a troll sort of cave or den and
he's got like a little fantasy background and like, he's trials
in front of it and a shaman, and some Huts that he made in the
background. They're so cool.
Reminds me of the fifth edition Idol of Gore campaign, where
there's AB, is one scenario. We had all these Hawk.
Hearts and you had its in troll country basically and yet the
holy patrols that would come out of these Rocky outcrops around
the Empire. The be like and I think
historically they have like something like ridiculous.
Like some like 30 arches or something and I can't exactly
the rules. I did play it once or Wellington
years ago, it was a really fun adventure.
But yeah, I know it included Stone trolls because all the
stones study guide our crops and you had like little hot It's and
that kind of thing and the empire were basically trying to
burn down and destroy your hearts.
And if they destroyed all the hearts old win, the scenario as
a really good one. That's so cool.
Did you? I don't know if you would have
seen it but at the moment but Clem's been working on one of
those Warhammer townscape the water mill and then that's a big
building. I haven't seen any updates yet
but from what I saw it looked pretty cool.
That'll make an excellent board piece once it's complete.
I have seen that. Yes yes yes.
Oh he's and I think the other guys I think he actually has the
originals. That's so cool townscape sets.
Yeah. So that's awesome, isn't it?
Wow. Yeah, really there's some
fantastic stuff in the train and like you've mentioned before
it's a big it's a big part of the Hobby and some people find
it pretty relaxing to Make It Rain.
Yeah, it's when you pull it off and You satisfied with it?
Yeah that keeps us actually having a go at those as well and
he's yes and Rocky outcrops as well.
So look it looks like Rocky. Outcrops are just like the trend
at the moment if I was doing a rocky outcrop at the moment,
Hell yeah. And what gets me is like they
look so natural. And the other thing that looks
really good to me that I never pulled off as a kid because I
never got one of those heated wire cutter things.
I know even heads actual sold one of those so I remember that.
But yeah, these days like back in the day I used to make train
out of polystyrene and it sucked.
I never had access to that Refrigeration from that really
hard siren stuff. And you see guys in the terrain
section, on our Discord making sort of landscaped Rock Cliffs
and things like that. With those heated Cutters and
they make such a like organic shapes.
And then when they painted or airbrush it or whatever they do,
it looks really really good. Like I'd pay money for that sort
of stuff lately. I bought terrain, which was its
those like Terrain in a box. So I don't know if that's the
brand or whatever and this stuff looks really good, but it's not
in the box and a battlefield. Yeah.
That's the one.
Yeah. And I don't even know if they
make half their stuff anymore. I managed to get a few boxes of
it. It's also sold out in Australia
and the stuff is great. And you can Pump It Down onto
about a Fields, got like a film bottom under under it, but
you're paying so much money for a couple of rocks.
Yeah, it was like, you know, expanded all I do, It's
brilliant because you can plunk it down straight away.
But if you're smart, you can get some hard starring off eBay or
an art store and go for your life and it'll keep you busy
too. And when you get into trouble
funny that you mentioned, the wire cutter because I made of
mine, looks, I asked if I could borrow his and I did it for some
terrain at some point, but I realized that once I use that,
that sort of insulation foam that really high density stuff,
I couldn't use that wire cutter. Anyway so I had to use
everything with a lot of other knife and look like just cutting
carving and out that without things.
So damn to use much of it mate. Do you want to be honest but for
the softer stuff for the softer more or less dense polystyrene.
Yeah. For those kind of sheets.
It's beautiful to work with one of those, those wire cutters
because it cuts, it gives that beautiful nice clean-cut finish
that you just can't attain with with a knife.
You can do it with a with a, with some sandpaper and just
Sand it down to, to make it look really smooth.
But that's a good point. Yeah, that did actually make one
DNA against Workshop actually had their own Yeah.
Yeah. I never bought one but I was
very tempted to and actually, yeah, I'm never buying the yes.
We're doing bit of a Terrain, topic are actually remember
buying the Games Workshop heels. They actually had those plastic
like a plastic preformed Hill and it was flopped with that
sort of furry kind of 40. And I bought the mat and
everything like that. I actually bought it for
confrontation back in the day, when I was playing that and made
myself a little, you know, I think back at 3 by 4 board or
something like that with it, but they'll really, it's the price,
you pay for a convenience, like the battle Battlefield in the
Box, it's that price, you pay for convenience at, you know, no
mess, no materials. All that time, you saved.
And you've got all that in a box.
It's all painted. Yeah, like same.
I don't know if they actually produce that stuff anymore and I
was just watching that guys, Hammer, the German guys playing
second edition, and they're using the other that stuff as
well. So, maybe they sold a bucket
load of it. I think when they weren't, Than
a day. Yeah, I mean that's a good segue
because I've been watching. Hey behave so like different
YouTubers Battlefield. Like 40K battle reports and the
dice Hammer guys, they're sort of come to a close with the
campaign, the Elder versus Z 2 are the last episode.
I won't spoil it for anyone who hasn't watched it, and then
after that match, their going to follow up and do a few like sort
of Favorites battles, things like blood angels versus hearing
aids and things like that. And they've got they had a bit
of a disaster with their battle bunker at flooded apparently.
So they had a few weeks off but they've come back and I hope it
wasn't too much of a disaster for them but yeah they use a big
array of terrain, everything from handmade stuff that looks
like it's been made out of, you know, like a cardboard packing
insert and they're painted etcetera to some of the more
modern. Modern maybe age of Sigma or
kill team, 40K stuff like chaos trees and the other ruins and
just goes to show like how inventive some people are on.
Filling a table with terrain and then I'm watching bringing
battle wargaming. And as usual, they use like a
really nice. Sort of one of those roll up
battle mats. Yeah I remember the stuff
they're made out of its like mouse pad material and then they
use like all this really cool painted terrain and they got
painted Miniatures and everyone's got their own style
and and trying to work out their own style.
And it's been really fun to watch so many people.
Get back into older games. Even I know, just sort of people
are getting playing a few Games are things like Third Edition
Warhammer. I saw I saw a pretty, pretty
cool game of awesome shots that claim put up Of Orcs and
goblins. First, I think maybe Empire, I'm
a bit of a walk and my new buddy, jeez, man, like really
cool models. That's awesome.
This is awesome stuff to see and then a lot of people have been
getting into casual games and Milton Bradley stuff like Hero's
Quest. It's Battle.
Masters. Things are like that between
mates or family and it's really cool to see that.
I do miss her request now Marcel.
Come on. Give us he requests thing back
on because I missed the last couple I think unfortunately.
So I really don't want to go back and jump into.
He request again and and play it again.
But just a quick shout out to in also in the terrain because I
was just scrolling up and I saw this really wonderful looking
and maybe you've already mentioned it, kind of affects
sorry if you have made but there's a farmhouse here by Alex
and it's absolutely awesome really impressed.
Now I I presume that he's actually We made it or he it may
be something that he's bought, but looks by the tiles.
Also, he's actually made it the tile that like the roof tiles.
That is so Alice. Have you made that?
That Farmhouse might that's brilliant really well done.
And I just noticed his profile pic because it looked like the
design of this figure that he has on our look very familiar
and it's a kilt Barbarian. So nice, not to the
confrontation line. Might they made some beautiful
barbarians back then. So yeah, Alex really good job,
mate. And hope to see more of that
terrain. And if you've seen our battle
reports, you've probably seen Joe guardsman's bridge that we
that he is made from like you know photocopying out the
colored templates of the cardstock and then gluing that
too painfully painstakingly. I should say to like foam core
and putting it together. We've used it a couple times.
It's a really really nice Bridge so that's another nice
alternative. Ativan and finding the old scans
from the fifth edition campaign packs and then making your own
to render that to give that sort of nostalgic effect obviously.
And to, you know, build some really nice much more sturdy
your terrain than they were just in there cardboard form because
the cardboard stuff is very flimsy.
But with the some cardstock behind it, it makes it really
durable to rain. Sorry about what it really does.
All right, that's right. Yeah, I mean the only thing I'll
mention is that I've said this before many.
So did that video a while ago? Which all of this stuff to pack
up now where he's sort of rescued, the old seconded box
set terrain and fluff them up a bit like by gluing them onto
cardstock and stuff like that. And I saw on one of the Facebook
groups, I think it was the second edition 40K one, I could
be wrong but one of the guys made Made sort of PDF cover
printouts for of all of that ruins.
So that people could just sort of print them out, cut them up
and then, you know, try and try and make them that way.
So yeah, it's a good way to sort of revitalize old cardstock.
Terrain, some people go so far as buying mint and Putt like
unpunched out ruins and putting them in a photo.
Painting. Yeah.
Like putting him in a frame basically with the glass cover
on them and hanging them on the wall, which is pretty funny.
That's all right. Yeah, some people are obsessed
with like empty boxes, right? But it was going to say, you
know, I'm sort of, I'm sort of nailing them to them to my wall
as some kind of, you know, gallery of you know here.
Yeah, kind of, you know, Nostalgia B boy, avoid like
framing like cardstock in a picture frame.
That's really going to the next level.
It really is, that's great. As usual.
There's been some fantastic painted miniatures by people
like whiskey and wizards and, you know, even lo que.
No, he put up a picture of like it's I think it's like
hobgoblins and, and Chaos towards.
And he's got a really cool fantasy background or painting
and then some terrain and it's All these hobgoblins on walls
and Chaos wolves, and a big Cannon and things like that.
Must sound like I'm obsessed with chaos tools, but I really
like seeing them painted up and on the table, even though I
don't play. Why am I think they're just one
of those unique armies. I'm sure you saw the picture of
Joe Guardsmen some dark else with the big purple, evil
dragon, and some cold one Riders, Parties and conveyor
that photos with me, or pull play that big game, but that's a
game that actually, let's see where he's perfectly, what would
submit? We just talked about before, and
there is a video coming. Probably.
I'll probably release it next weekend.
That's the big four way battle, it's like an 8K game.
Basically, if one of the fantasy, we use the Flawless
skulls Homebrew rules again, as well for 5th edition, which we
seem to like, and people might be asking Josh.
Why don't you just playing fifth straight?
Fourth edition. And the, the I think the idea
behind the flowers skulls and what, you know, one or naissance
brings is a bit of a compromise to people who have never never
played fifth edition. But are very familiar with Sixth
and up to 8th Edition will hammer.
And it sort of brings that nice kind of compromise and balance
between their familiarity between certain units and
certain costings of of units and certain abilities at units could
do in later editions. But they can't do in 5th
edition. So With the guy at the guys I'm
gaming with in there about ten years younger than me, they're
never played fifth edition before.
So it was a nice way of getting them into fifth edition playing
the magic system, the cards that I love to play with with magic
and everything. So it's got all those familiar
cues and Hallmarks to the older editions.
But it's got a sort of a fresh take on, on the rules and that
kind of thing, but that that'll be dropping next next weekend.
But the thing is on the kind of fact, before we started
recording was that You know, I dropped a few f-bombs during the
video and probably at the end, I streamed up a whole, you know,
whole string of f-bombs. There's at the end in it sort of
kind of this. The dealer dilemma of, you know,
whether people were offended by swearing but I wasn't doing it
in a sort of an angry way. I was like, just joking around
having fun and the other guys are sort of pissing themselves
laughing and that kind of thing. But yeah, I mean if you haven't,
if you have an issue with language, like foul language on
the videos, please We know I've had haven't had one person
complained about it. So, if B, if that's an issue
that's detracting you, or just it spoiling your enjoyment of
the videos, please let me know. Because if that's an issue for,
for a majority of people, then I will, we will clean up our act.
But, you know, I do with the guys, just with bit of friendly
banter, and we have web a good time, having fun.
There's nothing that we never curse in sort of, in, in Anger,
kind of thing, you know what I mean?
Like, that's a ouf. And another or nothing like that
ever, it's just usually mean the dice.
That's the big problem I have with dice.
It's like dice never work. It's always a dice, it's always
a diocese problem, but yeah, but hopefully you guys who want to
enjoy that and as we really enjoy playing that game with a
great day. So yeah, look out for that one.
Yeah. And you post it up some cracker
photos, like High Elves and Wellington's, Dark Elves, and
Justins wood elves and stuff. Like Really beautiful piece,
man. Really nice.
Beautiful model sick. You know, three great friends
that I get to game with playing these older editions but with a
slight, in a modern tweet to them.
So, you know, I mean I'm you know, I'm in heaven.
Really mean, this is all saying to Johnny, what's I was talking
to Johnny Watson today, to shout out to him and his channel
Journal, Watson gaining. So if you need to get coming up
soon but Yeah, I'm not playing more games now than I ever did
back in the 90s. You know what I mean?
I'm having more fun now than it ever did back in those days.
So yeah, so good, great, right, mate, and good.
So we just need to get you and me on the table playing 40K
second edition at some point. My talks against your tyranny,
heads. Yeah, I might have to now that
Japan's reopening. Yeah, just like get some sort of
special suitcase for some models and Chuck em in and come visit.
You look like that's the thing. Photos and do it like a probably
won't even fit through the door frame.
Yeah. Do you one of those like old
sort of Bad Games? Workshop?
Diagrams or like the body on a slab kind of thing?
Like with strange things like those kind of videos will do one
of those, when you're sleeping and or one of those, you know,
Roald Dahl he had the book, The twits.
And he's got the picture of mr. Tweets beard, and all the things
in the beard like bits of Sardine and stuff.
Yeah you can swear as much as you like and I'll do two at the
dice. Oh, well yeah.
Who have to get a bleep bleep machine or some and About the
future of The Chronic and podcast were sort of going in
two different directions here because I want to get the
community more involved and I'm going to get more segments that
the community actually making and sending to me.
So kindly my cell and GJ it's a Hootie on in the in the
Netherlands of sat down and talked about the crown of
command sorry the call of the crown painting challenge to so
Marcel interviewed him about that which is great and I hope
you enjoy this and do that. I'm going to talk to Gasps about
the bring out your lead. 2022 about what happened there on
that day. So thanks Garth for sitting down
with me, mate for about 30 minutes to talk about that.
And then pour my good mate. Paul is going to talk about the
differences between 5th edition and six editions.
So 46 addition players wanting to jump back in time to play 5th
edition while the notable differences.
Now, you'll notice that Paul make a reference to 2021 Paul
Does know what that it is 2022, but he actually recorded it on
December 31st and 2021. So just in case people are
wondering about that, that's why.
So but yeah, before to having more contributions from the
community, even yourself kind of X, you're going to do a sit-down
with, what's the guy's name again?
Shaggy, Dog, Brandy, dog. Oh, granny died.
Yeah. And and, and you might say
playing second edition, that'll be awesome.
So yeah. Look forward to the more of
those. I think Chris is going to do
some more stuff. As well with one of the quest
and that kind of thing. So, yeah, looking forward to
doing more of more collaborations with people in
the community that had beat a bring or different content and
that kind of thing. As we go forward, I'm relieving
and it's exciting for me because it's sort of stuff that I'm not
involved with directly. So I get excited about listening
to people's stuff. They're making.
So that's all Or nobody will? I think we'll wrap it up there.
Anything you want to say in closing remarks at all?
Mom. Yeah, looking forward to doctor
walking, some Cowabunga challenge which is excuse me,
which is sort of coming together at the moment.
Very exciting stuff. And yeah, look between that and
the call of the crown challenge. This just so much good efforts
being uploaded to the Discord. Love to see it, especially
chaos. Dwarf armies like covering fire.
ER, Ted has done so yeah, keep it up.
Yeah, I was really excited about doing the cover on the challenge
this year but I was really awesome.
Yeah, I'm going to do it la-la-la, but then I realized
that I've already committed to the call of the crown and I put
put forward like a big art Empire Army.
I was going to paint up and then realized, well that's not
achieving the goals that are really want to do scenario wise.
Well like why am I? So I've sort of done a bit of a
back flip on that. And I posted a new pic
yesterday. Put all the ministers together.
So you'll be comprising lots of night, goblins goblins and High
Elves, and Orcs to finish up to two, major scenarios that I want
to do to bring to the channel at some point and do some live
streams. And that kind of thing with guys
playing with guys remotely. So yeah, I'll have to weigh be a
mix. You can Yeah.
Maybe next you can be your sort of like for Ray and some more
second edition stuff. Yeah, I think so.
And I think it's building up like, you know, I'm sort of look
at Mel 40K models and I know I need more additions to make well
to make it more exciting for like, you know, one playing and
be playing the games with Paul, you know, I need to introduce
new units and that kind of thing.
It's just a, it's just a matter of time.
And it's just a matter of you know, motivation also is a big
thing. As well.
So we hope they're really out to yeah.
Hope to bring more second edition content.
Hopefully next year. So we'll see how we go.
I think this this this next few months are going to be next six
months. I'm going to swipe just
concentrate on getting my armies finish with for our fourth
edition and fifth edition stuff. So we'll look forward to doing
that. Giants looking for land, be good
because that's the Gap. That is the thing.
I love the most is one a fantasy.
I love Rank and flank stuff. Oh yeah, I love my He has second
edition, you know, in terms of gameplay and all that kind of
thing, and we'll play more of that as we got spacewalks to
come as well. So it will have its day.
It just won't be, won't be this year.
Unfortunately, that's all right. We all know how much you love
Rank and file of the rank and file.
It's just been really great pleasure to sit down and talk to
you again. So, Thanksgiving me and we'll
catch you again very soon. Shortly as well.
Surely in a couple weeks. Time to give us another update,
but making the meantime, get cracking on your painting
products. Max, I haven't seen any pics of
them from you for ages. Now, on, you know, Jesus is
looking really bad, so please start getting that stuff.
Yep. Can you Bob all these Cults?
I want to see her. Probably little tiny little
dudes. What are the little dudes called
again little? The tiny little guys, like, the
little familiars and stuff. I love those things.
Yeah, honestly, the genestealer The cult idea.
I love that. I love that more than the actual
just regular jeans. Still a high of time, you know.
Yeah. Yeah.
I'm nervous. And yeah, I love all the hybrid
stuff and all that kind of thing.
Just ask my cell is good like fist variance.
He is strong, he can, I'm sure we can send it.
Few of those to see if it's a no.
I want to remodel the pair them up.
Yeah. We'll see what happens next
year. Maybe in two years time.
Five. Yeah, yeah, we'll see what
happens if yeah. He'll get around to it, he will.
He will. We'll keep prodding him some
more. All right, buddy.
All right guys, keep up the good way.
Yeah, absolutely. Yes, I love seeing what you're
doing out there and yeah, will will certainly bring you into
focus and under in, in highlight next time we talk.
So, all right, buddy. Let's enjoy the show.
Thanks very much. See you later?
Might look from what the photos the photos of, you know, being
fed back through us through Facebook and whatever it looks
like this year, the bring out your leg was quite a successful
event. I think so.
Yeah, it was. It was probably a little smaller
than I expected. I think we probably got about
140 aish unni kids and I guess I'll probably expect about a
hundred covid-19 base, you know, based on healthy numbers be
covid, right? But I mean, hundred bodies.
Great. And that that's, that's still
phenomenal, you know, doing when we started there were like 30 of
us. Yeah, hell of a thing.
And I mean, I don't think it's that people didn't want to come.
I think it was, you know, it's across the looming crisis in the
UK, which, you know, really pushed it over the edge with
people at school costs or accommodation.
And then, of course, you know, breakfast is still the gift that
keeps on giving, right? So loads of people that would
have come and picked just don't want to because of the pain of
going through border control and abs are high.
So yeah, I mean, they're probably not good for you.
Yeah, I know we've definitely even certainly worked really
hard to make. Was really hard.
Yeah. People to come and place them
down or wanted's yeah but yeah I mean outside of that it does
vary. Yeah.
Nothing 140 is so super number. That's right by this glute.
Yeah because I had a lot of guys from out like from a Discord
word who had attended and they had only positive things to say
about the entire day and they had a great time with meeting up
with other people. And of course, beating the
celebrities like Gervais Johnson.
He turned. Yeah, it was pretty amazing that
we had love. It's allowed to come now.
I guess, you know, they probably this would be in a lot of morbid
curiosity. Come from employees and
productization, but they never has come.
So, yeah, Jim, it's really a suspect I'm afraid.
Yeah, Willie like wouldn't brilliant to end like he was
like, overlooking a scenario that he actually designed for
the undead book and white dwarf, which is the Revenge of the Doom
Lord that I think Dave was putting together.
Those very bad guys. Yeah, he kills does not go
together. So I mean that they're training
the race in the scenarios but yet that was that there were
pretty giddy about it. It was nice to speak to him is
well because, you know, he wasn't, he was saying they were
expecting but you know, he he really enjoyed the fourth
edition of the rich special edition pin because he wasn't
really that Designer, right? You never played it.
I'm so sorry. How does it work?
How do I make it better? How do I sell it?
That kind of stuff. He played it from a respectable,
it's a game that shouldn't fun. So it was quite, you know, it
felt to me than, you know, If he leaning into, you know, some
some some happy memories there, there's a walked around.
And there was there was a lot of middle right there really was
this this year. Same as any other.
That's great, man. And can you go through some of
the tables and what people playing on the day?
I mean this I guess there are some patterns coming out now,
right? So you'll see you Friday.
Friday always has the elusive brothers or one's a little older
than the other one seems to be visually, but the ax Brothers, I
think they see as the ax people. They always run run like this
big kind of as textile game on the 6:12 and Fridays.
When that that's become a fairly stable thing and this is
enormous as English. Beautiful.
A series of these guys bring Is unbelievable and you'll see in
the pictures, all of them more time tools and Saturday Sunday.
It's, they're the same people. Like, so they had a kind of
crystalline, I think, you know, Carl was this beautiful scenery
based on Bristol? In arrangements to get cells,
reach on to the 6th over 6, we actually never finished that the
deal, so it will do a book for him.
So, when I got there, he already had a job like this time old
setup video within an hour, he was completely set out like, you
know, with the kind of person. Well, sadly, you're not supposed
to be here. We've got kind of messed up
another game, but we managed to house them.
So you would have seen what should have been.
You know, obviously there was a beautiful help you stable, they
would have been You know, a scenario that the kind of has
got one scenario that wolves well-being play.
It was certainly question on the table but they were, everyone
was okay. We all made on without you but I
suppose those are kind of the few things big games in the tent
on the Friday, the rest of Friday, I guess it's just people
setting up, smaller ones in games ending at the stood up to
me, especially the know, 60 days that the super amazing day right
there. That's when you see the and I
think Obviously house reach moved, but it was there, you
know, so nicely, but house, we should look completely different
outside. You know, he had to change the
to you to put into a different size table.
Yeah. So it was, it was quite
different and then probably the one that I think really, really
saw the show was obviously the Giles Giles reader done the, you
noticed, our future and our race.
Race course. Oh yeah, you know which is, you
know, they brought it last year in the winter, right?
But they are then replay. I tested it was really slow as
beautiful cause and they barely made it like around a quarter of
it this year that fix them. If the games that was beautiful
cars. I don't.
If you saw him, you must have seen the pictures.
This thing. I can't believe people would
know I did see it here. Yep.
All this. Yeah, it's unbelievable.
Right? Because it's just such a still
aboard and I mean, it, we knew it was coming.
So we put it in the main tent because it was just so, so nice
to have a day like that people can see, obviously do log on the
survey that Yeah, that was trouble. 11 people.
I can remember. This is almost as bad when I was
there. Remember what the third one
wasn't able? Oh, it was the realm of chaos.
Aidan strong have some time. So he did like this, Ronald
chaos, you know, sort of suppose a silly decision Realms of KS
kind of thing. Was that the castles and you
would you have playing the gods of chaos and your little teams
with who developed the not do again another spectacular
looking for the day and then IMA sides.
I mean they saw a lot of 42nd and 40K.
Yep. It's all just, you know, an
assortment of us was going to kind of broaden dungeon course
are things. One of the things there are some
recognizing, the come regularly cannot remember the name.
So I put these style right mishmash was something else, but
the point is, that table is really beautiful, right?
Needs to be printed things. You know, there's kind of demon
head coming out. Flowing and but I'm not talkin
like you know this is this is an enormous thing like 8 inches
tall topic piece of scenery right?
You know and it was it was fun to watch them.
As is our kind of place in this game at that made.
I forget this system--it's maybe the same thing is running as a
shadow neither but the point is very usual things, super good
table. I don't think from the few
pictures I did. See, I don't think they got as
much love as I would have. Thought they should have because
I thought that it was pretty awesome.
It's not It's fun to Earth, it's equal 6.
Whatever, and then someday, what's up my mind on Sunday?
I think Sunday there. There was a actually something
which stood out to me because, because they kind of one boil,
right? They were the last ones standing
deep in the thick of it. Of course, but some which, you
know, I guess, see, a huge amount, but it's nice to see you
like this, kind of in the same Rose tinted window.
Again, that's a little child enjoy these people planning it
over to pretty old-school Adventure.
So, yeah, and then some Sunday was available to place.
He's not my first actual game. I'll proper rotary the ever.
Wow, there are cool. Ya know which is, which is a
whole lot more fun. Strictly.
I really I wasn't sure what to going with.
I didn't know the rules. We do you think they say drugs
that I should know this stuff? Wow they really had loads of
really interesting all that just make the game.
Well, I really was great and the other problem is now because
you've asked me what are the things I'm thinking the ones I
don't remember that. All these people have been
worried because I don't really difficult so far, it's not the
nicest right now on the spot. I don't remember the table, but,
yeah, I mean, look, that the big game quality was was just really
great quality. You know, it was nice to see
people really put a lot of effort into every game that they
bought, which was, which was amazing, arguably want my little
rotate. Again, was probably the
cheapest. Yeah.
So some really nice terrain, especially the second edition
boards that had some small buildings and walk hearts and
earlier looks like someone actually had free painted a like
an evil Sons emblem on one of the sides of the buildings and
that kind of thing. So they look they look really
stunning. So, yeah, I've always really
impressed by what was really curious about, you know, seeing
the boards and what people are bringing along to the show on
the day and what they're playing and that kind of thing.
So it's always quite interesting.
You know, observing from photos and that kind of thing.
Of course, I'd love to be there in person, but just seeing the
photos is just nice enough to see people enjoying all these
old games, and bringing down their old collections of models,
and terrain, and that kind of thing.
Yeah, it was nice to see, you know, it's inspirational and
it's nice to see people develop if you like over the years,
aren't you see Pierre armies developing to see people's you
know one of the guys He's he run the think the unit painting
contest right? He's an amazing painter.
Right? But he paints so slowly moving
rag for years and not being able to table an army because he does
have one because he has painted them because he paints them like
what a year but he finally Adam, you know, he's buying tabled, an
army, you know, you can't believe there's an actual Army
that he was playing, just subscribe to see the development
of tiny balls and see ya and coming out.
Practice to see some of them and that that gets you that feels
real and there's a painting competition I notice is a
painting competition every single bring it has led who
actually judges those painting competitions mate.
You know, in a way, whoever we can pull a gag to do it right.
But what we find is that, you know, so we'd like to kind of
make it, if we can, you know, do you know, the designers all the
painters, you know, the lyrics or the juices, or, you know,
these people the world that they've come we try and get them
to do it. But quite often now they want
the pattern with the come Saturday morning and they have
to leave by the Saturday lunchtime.
Yeah. And then we judge it about re We
thought about 2:30 went to get it done for about 3:30.
So in the absence of open each other's it'll-it'll, if no one
else is no better qualities found early myself, normally
Tony Yates and then it will be a third person that we can, you
can produce depending on, who is so right.
It's Italian for their knots. No his name, that's awful.
Anyway and Andreas I think his name is Andres know he was he
was a personal and Tony put them in line.
So telling those no sleep, a lot of painters and kind of gets
them in and really the Commissioners as long as you
don't have something in the air and you're willing to look, we
used to be people so that there's definitely an odd
number. That's right.
Well, and that has it rise jump. I don't know if John is asking
to be a judge. You can see at this sort of lean
your style into John style, maybe to get to get to catch his
eye more, I think maybe. Yeah.
Indeed so bring the two and I think that's all.
It's exactly that view. Yeah I think there wasn't a lot
of brown at all. Right.
Then into the one this year but you know if you're ordering
people around don't-don't-don't speaking.
Yeah, that's great man. That's good and I'm really glad
to see. It's keep it still going even
after the pandemic and that kind of stuff like it's still going
along and people still coming down and it's just a shame that
people internationally and we're going to find it difficult to
get there or just just be more of a hassle as suppose I guess.
It's like me it's like me going to the UK.
Yeah it's like me using Anasazi passport.
It's going to be like the same kind of thing.
It's Say, but it's I feel cool Gobo concerns because it's not
just a case of, you know, you basically going for like a full
five node. We can write which is already
quite hard to explain to building your spouse or your
family that you taking a huge amount of money.
Yes. Go to another country to play
games and not hang out with in which she knows that the only
way. Most people seem to really get
get their pills swallow, it is to bring them along and make it
into a wig holiday. See it.
And switch the cross. A habit, it, right?
And then you stop that or if you want to bring your fingers with
you on that. Now, it's like moving actual
bomb on the plane, right? It's leading figures in here.
I think not, you know, it's, would you like to put that in
hand luggage? I think.
I would not matter miles or keep it right here in my lab.
If that's okay with you, it's their kind of things, really.
Moving figures is terrifying, it is in it.
You have to apply them across the hemisphere that's tricky.
This is why I sort of, you know, emphasize the point that people
should start their own old hammer, in a Revival group,
event, whatever it might be in their own country.
And, I mean, like, for me to get to the UK, it's almost
impossible. Make like, unless I win the
lottery, like it's just no way I'm doing it because, you know,
obviously white, my son have to go and then and then what are
they going to do when I'm gaming for like three days?
You know what I mean? Like, so yeah, exactly.
I've got it. I've got to pay for someone
else. Along to keep them occupied and
and all that kind of stuff, you know what I mean?
Like, yeah, it's a nice dream but I love watching the photos
and seeing some video. I think Tom Reynolds took some
video of the event which is great.
He did like a bit of a sweep through the event halls and
inside The Foundry areas they had look at the game tables and
stuff like that. So that's really nice to see.
So thanks to Tom for doing that for us.
Yes, yeah. We're getting a lot more people
comfortable. People with video audition out.
So taking videos just sort of mean and it's like people are
taking the plunge and doing it. Well, right?
So, hmm, yeah, thanks The Beatles song that's it.
Does, is it helps to bring it alive for a lot of people and I
mean going to go to the point about having events in you know,
country obviously:, since we're going strong, you know what?
Yeah, that's probably the most well, organized.
All the others that I've seen, I don't know, you know, the
fucking parents, you know, they do.
You know and, you know, fortunately for us Foundry.
Does you know, we could tell that little print we get that
little bigger made, right? And then boundaries, you know,
against super generous, they will emit those poor, you know,
other events, you know, in the year.
So, yeah, some to Poland was in something social system to show
you. So, you know, we're having a
chip, your best. No to use a generosity where
it's available to support other other events as well.
Yeah, it's great to see my Yeah, I know that I know that you need
to polish fans game really strong, and that's great to see
the Dutch old, Hammer events going to start up this year.
So that's really good to see the Dutch.
He's getting involved with that. And I noticed rally has their
own sort of very, very small Niche group of people in
Brisbane, of all places, doing it, all her event with Neville
and the guys there. So yeah, it's I mean, it's
either going to be, it's only going to exist.
We've guys crazy enough like us who want to keep doing this kind
of stuff. if you know what I mean, like, Well, the thing for
that you again, for those folks, you know, the sad part of them
is I suppose they've got too much.
It's actually much harder for them to organize because they
would never do get several types of venues.
As we can tell a lie, you know, yesterday has all the stuff, you
know? So yeah, we're you know, I know
when it's time to do consider myself an amazing organizer.
I, you look at the Polish one and, you know, the webpage and
all the stuff that he's had to do to make that work, right?
That's a well organized event. You know what we have is a
beautiful and perfect Enter key. Stood by the fact that boundary
has all this stuff, you know. Yeah.
But it works and I suppose again, if nothing else, it's an
inspiration. Yeah, for sure man.
Now now dates have already been set for next year.
Is that right between 23 they have and you can also tell
right? Yeah.
I just sort of thing or board with some dates on it.
Alright to the 6, let me just check that out.
It's meant to be the first weekend in August and that's
what we're always aiming for. So give me a second.
I just been there for a while now, but I think that sounds
right. May I think is the first week of
August from memory. Yeah, that's what this is, of
course to the six little. Yes, that's exactly.
Cool. So people can already start to
sort of planning and, you know, you need feeling for people
coming outside of the UK or even inside the UK.
Something, in some cases to come to the bring out your lab, they
need, they need a good 12 months to plan everything.
Thing and get there, get there, fun, sorted and get there, get
there, calendar, sorted out and and find their better halves to
do something else or whatever. So yeah, there's a lot of folks
because it, you know, new accent, explosion oil drains.
So it's very easy to follow the accommodation that's available
because yeah I don't know why but I guess there's other people
want to go there for holidays well so you know it's people do
they stop working with white like now, you know?
Don't have to get the discounts get the room so you get the
location. The prime locations in such a
tone could be applied to new. But yeah, as opposed to most of
us don't have seen this more people sitting there and he's,
you know, a tall building 26 are in people into a single place,
you know, inquisitive for the. Well, the next thing for the
answers are do is set up like an actual B&B at on-site.
That'd be the best a balloon. Listen, I can't imagine I'm with
you. I am that's a great idea.
Like yeah, totally. Imagine the thought of me
surrounded by 150 Warhammer nodes night and day.
Well or better still just have like 10 setup.
I have like because I think they've got quite a large
property there where they are just have like people have like
a tent area where they can camp out that kind of thing.
Yeah, well it's yeah loads of people in the If we if we ever
have a suggestion box and we don't do because that is the one
thing every single secretly just kept on the back down the road
10 quid and like, you know, you're responsible cleaning up
all your stuff afterwards or whatever, Spain 10 quid for that
space, you can pin for the night and it's in the summer.
So it's not coal really like that.
So it's quite Pleasant the I'd imagine, but yeah.
A lot of the people kept their account, obviously there's a lot
of good dude. Yeah, there is a campsite which
sadly is on the other side of the river enters.
There's not an it's, you know, as the crow flies.
So some mile or two away. But sadly, unless your parents
just swim across the river that you have to go around the bridge
which is much longer Journey. Right?
But yea, there is loads. People camp and we have are
people that get paid with seriously.
No accommodation plans. At all these solution is I'm
going to sleep in a lay-by in my car.
Right? And I'm not gonna like one or
two people either. I understand, you know, every
person or something and so yeah. But really need to be clean
sleep anyway. Thank you, know, you see a lot
of generosity of into a hotel room Charles Manson
here to say no politely and walk away to expect but yeah, no
that's good, that's good. Yeah combinations.
Another thing that people need to consider if they're coming
out to bring out a lead and finding one early and getting
getting a room somewhere and and that's that's a good that's good
advice. Yeah, that that is its I mean I
guess it's the heat thing is something that you said because
what we're finding now is personality having heat waves
and you can. Yeah.
Yeah, that the actual conversations as hot as hell.
Old hotels for old DMV love, you know, there's a headache.
Yeah, I think with the northern hemisphere is really co-opted
this year. May really definitely.
Yeah. So bring ice packs or bring the
bring your own own fan or something to bring along to the
combination as well. So we will paint.
Yeah. And there might be shoes.
Yeah. But well, Garth what's been
really, really good to talk to you, mate.
Thanks again for your time. I know you're really busy and
choose that. Thank you.
God, thanks, really. But since no, no, I really
appreciate you coming on and giving us an update May because
I know you're the man, you're the main man who sort of helps
organize these events every year.
And it's just really nice to touch base with you every time.
There's been a bring out your lead so that people can enjoy
listening to what's been happening.
And maybe, you know, if they're lucky they have the opportunity
to come and visit you guys at some point overseas or what have
you and come and join in the fun.
Or we look to attend next year, right?
So we haven't yet tender them. I mean it would have been this
year but go with. So yeah we haven't I mean I
guess we're just let the previous one kind of subside,
but we'd like to make it. I don't make promises but you
know we would like to make a special.
Maybe there's some that's all that needs to be said right now.
Like do something. They pour it.
So you know, I don't know. I really hope that by then you
know the government has ordered those forms are and we could
have people it again, it would you code Russians movie gas
problems or whatever? I don't know.
Alby knows that sort of thing other than that but people will
be able to come. Okay.
So overcome the financial crisis I have no idea but you know I
have a lot of Hope or the one next year and yeah we will.
I work two jobs, this. Complete some special, no
commitments because all it is a purpose entity
remote-controlled, but we intend, that's if nothing else
is decoration. We think so.
Yes, if you can, if there was a you were going, you were going
to get out if he's next year right now.
Well, I'm start start. Start your business case right
now. I've had a lot of numbers.
I'll be putting down my ticket tomorrow so with any other
things like if that's Kind of divine inspiration that I've had
on my way to work this morning. Yeah.
If those numbers come up mate, then I'll be definitely coming
over there. You know, I think I think I can
get away with it with my wife staying here.
I think I think that'll be fine, I'll make up some excuse, I'll
just give it loads of money and say, look, you know, you just go
and do what you want. I'll just, I'll just bugger off
for like a week and I'll see you in a week's time.
She, I think she'll be fine with it.
It's a good deal. Those aren't ya mate.
You know what? Each, I think she'll buy that.
Yeah, she in money involved should be fine.
So yeah, I'll pay my way out of that.
Sad attic attic commitments and then I'll be able to go over
there and I want to spend a week if I'm going.
Now, if I go there I want to spend like a week or so in the
UK. Yeah.
Good for you. Yeah, obviously.
People kind of get the history books as well.
Yes, I suppose. That's right.
Get to or so days in London. But yeah, you know, jet lag is
the bugger cool. That's exactly what that's all I
need to know. I need a few days grace
beforehand before the event. So, I really need to get the
like Monday or Tuesday, get over the jet lag.
And then adjust, because that's another thing people don't think
about is the jet lag as well, isn't it?
You know, I've been to the UK, I know what that's feel.
It feels like, but I was like, I think I was like 19 or 20 or
that time so I can quickly recover from that.
But bloody hell, mate. It at 40, 47.
I don't think I'll be recovering too quickly.
Exactly, right, you're gonna come over.
You're going to get involved in Little Havana.
There will be a Gilson Brothers arguments and your career.
That's awesome. Okay, well thanks to thanks
again mate. Thanks guys for coming on again
mate. So really appreciate it.
And I know that the guys in the in that kind of community,
really appreciate you coming on and talking about bringing a
lead because I know you're very passionate about it.
And and we just hope that it just keeps on going, you know,
for the next ten years after after next year, you
automatically just keeps on going and going.
So that's all you and thanks to them because it was nice to meet
some people that came out, right?
Yeah. It's a big problem.
Cool. So yeah, very good.
Yes. Yeah, I think I think I
eventually, I think a lot of the guys now from Discord, you know,
from our group anyway. I really intent on going there
because a lot of them do live in the UK already, or they live in
Europe. So it's very easy and accessible
for them to get there. So, it's wonderful, they're very
lucky. Yeah.
That's, um, but only I may, I'll let you go and thanks very much
again for your time and all the best and I hope, I hope.
Yeah. It The rest of 2022 is is better
for you mate. Yeah, thanks so much for that
and look good as well for you. Good luck with the lottery
tickets. He said he's not great.
If you give you all keep your mind.
Thank you, Cindy. Thank you for watching my old
Handler Ebates fund. Yes.
Yes, yes. Well, after a few everybody
would be a party when I get there then if we win the lottery
is nice. Awesome.
All right. Well, you take care.
Excellent. Okay.
Catch it. Item 8.
Bye bye everybody. Bye baby.
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we have here now is a special
episode for the crown of command podcast because it's not Joshua
from Japan talking here, so you can hear.
But me myself from Germany and my good friend from the
Netherlands. Get young catch on.
How are you doing? Hello, yeah, I'm fine.
I'm just back from from a week's holiday was very nice, very
relaxing, spend a lot of time with the family and now I
started again this week and just in time also for getting
everything ready for well, basically, the topic that we are
going to discuss Yeah. And that's the crown, the corner
of the crown to or the second painting challenge of the call
of the crown cop. Yeah, crown of comment podcast.
How long is it? The last 12 years now?
Yeah, I think so, it was during the I believe the first year of
the corona pandemic, so that should have been in.
When T20 that it started in the, in the summer, just after the
summer, maybe in September or so.
Yeah, I think I do remember exactly august/september some
somewhere around that time. Yeah, I think, the first month
was September and now in October.
So, in two weeks, we have our second painting challenge.
It's not a competition. It's a challenge for everyone to
just get your beautiful Miniatures.
Finally painting painted. Because as And I think I speak
for all of us. We have tons of them somewhere
hidden in our hobby, rooms in our leaf, piles or black holes
or whatever. So, it's really good to get them
finally on the table. So how many people have signed
up so far so far? I have 58 people that have
pledged to do something. And these are the people that
have already sent me either or both their army lists and the
pre-painting picture because those are the two requirements
for joining. There are a couple more names on
my list that have expressed interest but haven't sent me
anything yet. So maybe they will come up with
something and in the nick of time and maybe they decided that
they were too busy after all. So let's say we have around 60,
participants all in all. Wow, that's a lot.
And I mean also a lot of work for you because you are
presenting the monthly results on your on your block, right?
Yes, for the previous challenge, we posted all the pictures in
the Facebook groups and then Josh took them all out and he
added to them and he Put them into a video every month, and I
asked him if he was planning on doing something like that again.
And he said, no, there's too much work and I'm too busy for
that. And I myself, I'm not that
skilled at video editing and stuff like that.
So, we decided that it would be best to just put them all in a
very big blog post. Everybody can send me a single
picture at the end of the month. I maybe should Express that is
going to be a single picture of what they have painted and then
write something up. That can be a little bit of a
Fluff piece for their army that can also be something like, what
was I planning to do? What went well, what didn't go
as good as expected? Which new techniques did I try
out? What do I plan on painting next
month's? It's I just sent everybody, some
sample questions that they Could use if they wanted to and then
I'm going to put all of those together and upload them to my
to my own personal hobby blog. I was a little bit too lazy to
make a separate site for just this challenge.
So this might seem to be a little bit of hidden
advertisement. Please everybody come to my
Block, but I can assure you. That's not the case.
I don't make any money off of it or something like that and I
only and occasionally post on it anyway.
So it was mostly sitting idle. It seemed like the channel.
Yeah because it's totally fine. And of course you'll have the a
lot of work, posting the stuff all, put it all on your block.
I mean that's not something you do quickly and it's for ya all.
Almost 60 people so it'll take a time.
So I mean I think that totally fine and what you say do we have
any? Let's call them special armies
so far taking part of the challenge.
Yeah, we do actually. Let's see, I know that was
someone who had a third edition chaos Army that he pledged,
which is quite nice because now we have an army for at least I
believe every Edition from third to eighth, wow plus some
fan-made editions, there are some some people that use I know
Warhammer Renaissance, and I also believe there's one at
least one more Hammer arm is Project, mmm.
And there's also an army that I was sending a long time ago.
I don't quite remember it, but it was an Army that was built up
of Miniatures of a different Army, but it all fit the same
team. Let me see if I can find it real
quick. I believe it was Used to be a
chaos Army in Iraq as Army but made up Out Of Orcs and goblins
units or something like that. Hey, now I probably have to have
to browse. I've got it all in a document,
which has spanning 70 Pages now with all the army pictures and
yeah, I probably can't find it very soon and a lot of people
who pledged the chaos Army. So, Probably I should have done
my homework on this one. So, very ambitious.
I mean, you can get bash Orcs and goblins like possessed or
blessed, by no gir. I think that would be possible
to do. So, yeah, good.
And I believe, whatever it was, it was that combination, but I'm
not quite sure 100%, no problem. Then the people have a surprise
and So we are not restricted to official Army lists, all the
additions like or the Euro Hema editions.
So you're already said, we have old Hammer.
Third Edition Army, we have of course for that fish.
Fifth edition armies. We have six seven and eight
covering the additions and also fan-made so and if I remember
correctly we are Soon not restricted to use Citadel
managers. Is that right?
Yeah that's right. What it does?
Have to be a Warhammer Army lists that you're making with
these at the goal for me. For doing this challenge is
basically to help people get their Miniatures on the table
and it doesn't really matter which Miniatures they are as
long as they use them as a As a fantasy Army.
And I think that was also the case for the last Edition for
the 41st, call of the crown because I had a britannian army,
then, and I believe, now, I didn't have any third-party
models. I bought those later.
No, I'm I'm mistaken. I thought I asked Josh back in
the day or a Jesse who was organizing.
I thought I asked them if I could use third-party models,
but I didn't include any in my original list.
I did you some 6 Edition models as the upgraded nights version 6
of 6 Edition, plastic nights that I painted a grill nights to
use Alongside the fifth edition Plastics because I only got to
Prytania when the old world had already blown up and the prices
had blown up as well. So yeah, that's that's what I
did back then. But yeah, I'm not really
particular about Edition so armies.
And basically, this challenge is a reflection of my own
collection because I also have Miniatures range.
Being from pretty much every Edition, including some
third-party Miniatures. And as long as they represent
what they are supposed to represent, I don't care if
you're say your dwarf, klansman if they are from Citadel, or if
they are from from old lat, Mark or WarGames Atlantic romantic,
or any of those companies that make dwarf Miniatures, even 3D
printed as long as you have them represent, what they are, then
that's fine by me. The goal is to make an army that
you can put on the table and that you can play with and
adjusting from old people that have shown interest in this
challenge over the past few months.
I think that is also something that the community Really need
it. Now, I'm also selling myself
again and I don't want to do that because this is, this was
just a little idea. I had, it's not even an original
idea because I just basically took over someone else's
challenge. But yeah, I've gotten a lot of
positive feedback on the challenge so far and I'm really
happy that I can be able to serve the greater warmer
community in this way. Yeah.
Yeah for sure. And maybe someday we will meet
on an event or so and play with our painted armies for the
challenge against each other. So that would be really cool.
Yeah. We should do that.
Yeah. You.
You only live like a like an hour and a half away from me or
something. So, it's actually, it's a bit of
a, bit of a shame that we haven't met up yet.
Yeah, that's true. Hmm.
Siobhan. But busy.
Yeah. Yeah painting with each other
managers. Yeah yeah but I know of a few
other people here in the Netherlands that are also
participating in the challenge and I even know that was also a
nice shout out that I wanted to give that are a couple of people
ready for people from the UK for gentlemen that are using this
challenge to filled completely new armies.
I believed two or three thousand points.
And they are going to at the end of The Challenge.
Play a 2 vs. 2, good versus evil battle.
Like with the challenge of cultures, what was it called?
The tale of Taylor for gamers? Yeah.
Someday they're going to do something like that and they're
going to use this challenge for that.
I'm really glad that this also inspires other people to get
creative in their own way. Yeah, so you You just talked
about your last painted army that patrolling Army for the
last challenge. So what is your next Army going
to do? Well, I have, I'm not going to
say too many armies, but I have many armies and, and my goal is
to eventually be able to play every unit from every or him
affection for basically, every Edition for tune-up.
So, I still have a ways to go in collecting and I have an even
longer way to go in painting. But because of that, I didn't
really know what I wanted to do, what I wanted to paint.
So I held a poll on the crown of command Facebook group.
Now, basically ask the community, well guys, here are
my options. What would you like me to paint?
And for some reason beastmen, got the most votes which is
something that I hadn't expected at all.
But yeah, I I was probably expecting something like,
dwarves or skaven, I know that those armies are they have a
very big online fan base, that's something that we noticed you
doing some work aims or balls, and for some reason, people
elected beastmen. So I have now committed myself
to a basement Army. Okay, so did you use patent
report or one of the army lists from the Army books?
As a guide or reference? Or just looked at what you have
at home and use that. Probably analyst one.
I have pretty much everything I need for a basement Army.
I do need some of the like a unit of corn goes and something
like that, some special things with a mark of chaos, but I have
been collecting basement for for a little while now, got a couple
of second hand armies and I then decided to go with the six
Edition beastmen Army book for my basis, because they have a
lot of units and able to have those fun East hurt units, which
is gauze and on Gore's combined, So I made a 3000 Point army with
those Miniatures, which admittedly includes a few
special characters. So if I just want to feel them
as normal characters, then it would be a little bit less than
3,000 points. And then, I also thought, well,
what if I want to play this Army in 8th Edition, what would I
need then? So then I added another
thousand, maybe a little bit more points of Miniatures that
weren't in these 6 edition book or that were, in addition to the
units that I am already going to paint just to make them a little
bit bigger. Yeah.
Okay. But that's going to be my my
bonus section. So my main goal will be to paint
that at standard beastmen Army for six Edition, which includes
the be slow down Chariot battle standard-bearer.
Couple of characters. Some Shaman's believe another
chariot. And you also want to do a chaos
upon by forgot to put it in the picture you in the best Igor and
to Beast hurts and some mind tours and a couple of War
hounds. Oh, I already have some Santa
Claus painted up. So that's that's gives me a nice
mix of models. When I finally finished this
Army. Mmm, and the Miniatures are
mostly 6th edition. I guess, Yes.
Yeah, I got, I got a few of those 6/7 addition Army
secondhand. I do also have a large amount of
demonic Bose beastmen with the halbert's.
Yes, I had a plastic ones and I do intend to use those as extras
for my best Igor units, because they actually fit in there and
and they they don't look Look too far off in scale is your
surprising because usually when you get those Plastics, you
can't really put them in with other elite units.
But these apparently you can. So Yeah, going to try it.
And I'm also going to rely heavily on contrast.
Paints, I already decided because well one I think baseman
is an army that really lends itself to that, and to I also
want to experiment a little bit more with contrast paints and
just how they work and how I can use them to the best Advantage.
Okay. Talking about paints.
I mean, I I think the Josh talked with carnufex about the
new range of Vallejo contrast pains coming up.
Will you also try these out or just sticks to the Citadel
pains? But I am not against branching
out but I just invested in that entire new set of Citadel
paints. So I'm going to use those for
now and but I will be keeping an eye out for other planes and
other brands. And yeah, it's when I started
playing Warhammer back in the, in the early 2000s, a classmate
of mine, set these Citadel paints.
They were made to be used with these Miniatures.
So for some reason, for the longest time, I thought, okay?
When I paint Warhammer Miniatures, I can only use
Citadel paints. And the only other experience I
had was with some acrylics that my mother had lying around for
me. Can post cars and stuff like
that. So I use those in the beginning.
And then later, I painted everything over with Citadel
paints and for some reason that that stuck to me and it took me
the longest time to just get one or two pots of a different
brands and little while back, I got a very big set of airbrush
paints for the It's the Army painter has knows already thin
to a usable thickness to use an airbrush and that has also
really helped me because usually I was just messing about with
the paint being too thick or too thin and that really took the
joy out of using an airbrush. And I use it much more often now
and that's just because of those Well, let's call them
third-party paints that I got. So yeah, it's a very long story
short. I do not intend to check out the
Vallejo paints anytime soon but yeah, I will keep my ear to the
ground and if people are very happy and satisfied with them
maybe to an extreme amount, then I will definitely consider them.
I'm not married to g.w. when it comes to paint, even though it
does seem like that sometimes. No.
I mean, they at least were the most readily available bobby
pins. You can get in every year GW
store, you could get the pains. I mean, I got a wild collection
of different aims most evil fo, but that's because I come from
more from the historical War gaming hobby.
So I wanted to have this and this color because this match
the uniform in this year best and not just not read so but
they at me and totally. Yeah.
But that's, that's a good point. You you mentioned that because
if you like me, I only played Warhammer.
I never got into his store calls or even any other game system.
So, When you only play war hammer and you only know of the
Citadel paints, it took me the longest time to even learn that
there were other brands out there.
It was only when I sort of got more active in the in the
Facebook groups but it was. I think about the time when the,
when the pandemic hit, then everybody was getting back
online and maybe a little bit before that it was only then
that I learned of Even the existence of Brands, like
Vallejo and an army painter and Nostalgia, 88 and stuff like
that. So so it looks like we will have
y wide. Variety of different armies with
a lot of people taking Parts. I really hope that a lot of
people will stick to the challenge because I can speak
from my own experience. It is odd.
Yes, but that's for me. The best part about the
challenge is the I need a kick in the ass.
Yeah, to keep going. It's hobby, but it's subtypes
kind of work because you have to do it.
And after you finish the unit on the last minute, before
midnight, sending the email with a photo, something like that.
Then it's really, really motivating to to keyboard.
It will keep going and really rewarding.
Yeah. Yeah, it also, if you share the
pictures here on social media or do on our Discord and other
people just Give a like or a comment or so that keep also the
motivation really high, at least for me and I think that just as
we both said, the main goal is just to paint on it just because
I don't know if in my life we'll paint all the Miniatures I have
and I certainly will buy more. Let's it was.
Yes, can I say yeah, I hope one day too.
To, to be able to employ child labor.
My own case is going to be, of course, it's a male, maybe if
they show an interest in it, but yeah, then I will probably still
have plenty of money just lying around.
Hey, what about your army? Must have?
Because we've talked about my BisMan, but I am looking
currently at a lot of metal dwarfs actually in two pictures.
One of them is going to be your carmilla.
Someone is going to be a bonus to your army.
Yeah, that was a mistake. I fear.
I got carried away and yeah, I will paint fourth edition,
Dwarven Army, and mostly Moroni was so the really old stuff and
as a guide because I'm kind of lazy if it comes to list-making,
I The sample Army out of the back of the army book, and after
assembling them all on the, on the table for taking the photo,
I realized that's not many because I think the analyst is
around 1000 points are being let me check.
Yeah, and I mean, they are dwarfs.
So they are quite again sir 98. Yeah.
And and including some magic. Um so I think or ruins or
whatever. So in the end you don't end up
with a lot of Miniatures. And I know I was thinking, oh
it's that's not many and you still have a lot of tools and
they did it in the, in the Army book after The List.
They, they wrote, if you want to, so, you got now, you're nice
starter Army. If you want to expand, why not
add another war machine or another Elite Regiment of I
don't know, long beards or whatever.
So, you'll have a new selection of units, because, of course,
you have to buy them and they want to sell their stuff.
So it's like a kind of advertisement.
And and then I went through these pages and I saw mmm, a
gyrocopter, or that's a cool model, I will add a gyrocopter
although Buckman's Rangers. Hmm, nice models.
And and so that's the bonus. Picture.
I just picked up the units and more machines.
I like best from these and hopefully will include them to
the painted stuff. So, I will try to paint the
1,000 points first, and then try to add as many bonus units as
possible. And for The Clansman or the the
clan Warrior unit, I Something special because I just didn't
want to add the normal plan Warriors, but I try to get as
many of the so-called Imperial dwarfs.
The old, my robot wolves as possible in the unit.
So we are talking about the dwarfs that look like brizeida
nights with chain mail and pot helmets and stuff like that.
And I think they really look. Look cool for me, they look like
dwarves. So to say, and I'm not quite
sure what color scheme I want to use.
I'm thinking about blue and white, but I painted my elves
fluid wide, so I'm not, not quite sure.
What do you think? Oh, that's a good one.
I haven't even thought about my own color scheme and now you ask
me to Your color scheme on the Fly?
Well, I, what I did with my dwarfs is that I selected, which
hold they were from and then I ended up in Barrack for the
seaport because I like ships. So that's also a good excuse for
why? My towards would be fighting
against say, lizard, man, or High Elves.
It's just my Barrack for dwarf. Raiding party.
Which is totally in the fluff somewhere.
I don't think, I don't know. But so I thought, well, I'll see
dwarfs the color of the sea. So, I have some, I have a color
scheme with blue and like bluish-green.
Those go rather well together. So if you're talking GW colors,
then it's the blue is Enchanted, loser.
The really bright blue, green is what's it called?
Again scaly green. I believe so it's like it's not
really turquoise but it is on the green end of what you might
call turquoise. Okay but that's just how I did
my dwarfs. I always feel for some reason
that at Green goes well with dwarves but I don't know why
that is but I think about those Imperial dwarfs.
I for some reason, something like green and yellow something
that really stands out. But while painting yellow can
also be quite a challenge. Yeah, I don't know, blue and
white also really works well for the dwarfs.
I wouldn't really go with red for dwarfs maybe apart from some
details, like the weapon shafts. Yeah.
Because that would, Would Clash too much.
I think with with the Slayers then your Slayers won't stand
out enough with the orange hair. So I want to steer away from
dead end of the color spectrum, and then you automatically end
up towards either blue or yellow.
I sure if we're talking primary colors, But maybe I've got two
weeks, so still some time to made up my mind for that.
Yeah, well, you could do either what I did or what you did for
Josh. For the podcast, you can either
hold a community pool. How am I going to pay my dwarfs
or you could make up a table with all the different colors
that you can think of? And then roll to ahh, Three
times on the table to get your basic color scheme.
Okay? So you want that, I have moved
our be. That is tentacular pink.
Great get ya Tink. Yes, please.
Well, you could you could maybe tweak the table a little bit to
leave out tentacle pink. But yeah if you want a unit of
slain ice dwarfs yeah sure. Go for it.
Pinks and purples. Well, that would be an obvious
for sure. Yeah, looks more like a chaos
War. It was usually rather heavily
armored. So basically, anything goes well
with with metal. Yeah, that's true.
So so you can go anywhere you want with with what you can go
anywhere you want with any miniature basically, but there
are some some lore restrictions you want your Orcs Green your
lizard's to look. May be green or blue, so someone
natural colors. But yeah, other than that, for
uniforms, you can you can basically do anything.
So it's just it's too much out in the open to make an informed
decision on that true. And I'm now looking forward to
that, you at least had one. I'll be no, you know.
It's in your army and have to paint.
Some white will be stored. That's a good idea.
Oh, maybe not in the but I will maybe not an entire unit but the
command team, yes, it could be maybe a single albino or
something, so that it stands out your well.
I'm definitely going to do that. Yeah, thanks for the advice.
Okay, Catherine so I think we have talked about our armies and
enough so I think we Have a wide selection of nice armies in, how
long is The Challenge running again for eight months in total?
So we will be done at the end of May 20 23.
Wow, okay so and yeah, I'm also really glad with the way the
community gave me feedback on this because when I first posted
this, I said, well we're going to do two thousand points in
eight months and then several people said, oh, Oh, too bad.
I want to join but do 1,000 points is going to be too much
for me. So then I tweaked it a little
bit so that you can now have at least 1,000 points and then
basically in increments of five hundred points 1,000 to 1,500,
2,000 as a tear for the challenge and yeah, that really
works. Well, a lot of people have
pledged a thousand points 1500 points.
Also, plenty, that have Gone to their phonetic level that the
2,000 points plus and also got some other, some minor things
for the community, those just questions that I mentioned,
someone sent them to me. So for the people who don't know
what to write here are some sample questions that you can
use that. You can answer if you if you
want to use them. So it's just the feedback that
I've gotten from the community and all the positive remarks
from everybody that has been really encouraging and
definitely shows me that this challenge is something that was
well let's say that it was needed for the community
community wanted to have something like this and just the
the response is amazing. All those people who have
pledged their armies Armies. I can tell you of the top of my
head, how many points is going to be?
It's in? Yeah.
Well, at least, at least 60,000, because we have 60 people and
most of them have a lot more. So I wouldn't be surprised if we
if we breach the 200,000 points, assuming everybody sticks to
what they pledged. Hmm.
And one last thing because, I mean, the challenge hasn't
started yet We have two weeks to go, so if people want to join
where and how do they find the enforce or can contact you?
Yeah, basically, all you have to do is find me.
And there are many ways to do that on Facebook.
I am here, Joan Van Ark that I'm also active in the crown of
command Facebook Community. There's a pinned post there by
me so if you just click on my name then it will bring you
straight to me. I am also on this court on the
crown of command Discord Community to.
If you're on this court you can just let as a special call of
crown painting challenge channel that you can post your pictures
or two that you can approach me. I think you're gonna, you can
also find me on Instagram, but for the challenge, I don't think
that has been done yet. I also opened up a an email
address, which was in a bright idea.
I had the other day to centralize everything.
Now I have to check because I'm not sure what I believe, the
email address is Call of the crown to and then to is just the
number two and gmail.com. Okay, Miss anywhere, where can I
find that? Yes, call off the crown too.
Number two at gmail.com. So if you send me an email on
that, then I will also be able to see that and reply great and
the address of your blog because I think there are also all the
information already has this true.
That's also the case the block is GJ's Workshop or written
together at. No, not at all ggh Workshop, dot
WordPress. Dot-com, okay.
Cool gasps. Yeah, so two weeks to go and I'm
quite sure we will break the 60, so let's see if you can reach 70
or even more, so I'm really looking forward to.
Yeah. So my mates and thanks for your
time and have a nice weekend. No problem.
Thanks for having me. Bye-bye,
hello, everyone. My name is Paul.
If you've listened to all of the crown of command Park, as you
probably heard my voice once before.
Also, I'm Joe Guardsmen on the Discord, so feel free to message
me anytime you want. What I decided I would try and
do is help people who are kind of back reading from 6th Edition
into 5th edition. The purpose of this is just to
help with all the tiny little things that you can mistake
during addition. Bleed, the funny part about this
is that we're doing it backwards.
Of course, when we were, when we were playing back, back in the
day, there is whenever there was a change we would always have to
comb comb through the book and find the small changes that were
made to upgrade the game, or in the case of some of the case
addition change it completely So for this, I just want to help
you help people who are maybe six, seven days addition
players. Maybe pick out some of the tiny
details that might be different in 5th edition.
When I started doing this, I was really surprised In The End by
exactly how much the fifth edition book to the sixth
edition rulebook were all. Copy and paste all the way down
to the kind of corny flavor. Text of each of the abilities
and and rules and sections of the game.
The one thing that I'm not doing with this, I'm not going over
Army book differences or or even the magic differences the Magic,
The Magic set from 5th edition and the magic that players would
be used to in Sixth and on are so completely different.
It would require a whole other podcast for it's really just the
core section of the rules that I'm looking at.
So just what you find in your main Rulebooks, probably- the
Magics just - the magic section. All right, so with that, I'm
going to begin on the first pages of the rulebook busy,
right. After you get past that you need
Dice, and a tape measure to play.
So one thing that's a little bit different is going from six to
5th. Five inch templates are entirely
gone from the game. The largest you'll end up
finding is maybe a four-inch somewhere, but it tends to be
about a 3-inch template for almost at everything circular.
Then we get into characteristics of.
One of the biggest changes that you'll find is PS is no longer
ballistics kill it. It's now Bo skill in 5th edition
so make sure you get that right. It goes on into the unit types.
This is maybe more of an army book thing but most units in 6th
edition tended to require a 5-10 models to attend models, at
least four see, basic infantry, you'll usually find that it's
five and fifty addition. Fifth edition does not have any
unit strength. So if you're, if you're ever
trying to calculate things for breaking ranks, you only count
the individual models. Cavalry friends is not count as
two, like it would in sixth edition.
And this also means that outnumbering is not in fifth
edition at all, very big difference when you get into the
turn phases, is the Magic phase moves for 5th edition.
This ends up being very important for all sorts of
reasons, particularly at the Spells are all written
differently. So it's important to keep in
mind when it gets into movement, one of the good things is that
one of the things about six addition that I liked is that it
wasn't so movement restricted for wearing heavy armor and a
shield. But in 5th edition, you do have
to worry about You're four inches of movement going to 3
inches. If you're, if you're wearing
heavy armor and a shield likewise your mounts movement
would be decreased. Then into armor saves.
And in general, there is no one's on a D6.
Always fail rule. So in 5th edition, if you can
find the very rare situations of A1 Plus armor.
Save you will need a modifier in order to beat and caused them to
be able to fail. Their armed forces.
In six addition, you have the armor bonus for having a hand
weapon and shield and melee, but that is removed in 52.
Action. So you're nice sword and board
troops. Unfortunately have to kind of
suffer from a lack of armor in hand-to-hand combat when we get
into a little bit of the shooting rules.
In 5th edition ogre sized models are specifically labeled as
large targets to get a plus one to hit.
So it's that, that can be a bit different and a bit jarring
because you're fairly expensive, not too heavily, armored 40 ml
40. Mm.
Base models will be plus one to hit and fairly easy to hit and
shooting. The next thing I ran into was
during charges in 5th edition. There is no limit on how many
units behind your first choice that you can redirect to.
So it is not going to come up very often, but if your opponent
was a playing multiple small units, all kind of Stack
together and he doesn't want to fight with any of them.
You can keep declaring charges on new units that you couldn't
have charged previously and kind of break a whole column of small
units. Another thing, it comes up with
just unit types in general is fast.
Cavalry in fifth edition. Is any model any Cavalry model
where basically any model with the seven or more movement and
that also has a maximum of five plus save.
Then for Terrain. Standing on a hill, it allows
you to shoot all of your ranks and fifth edition.
Six. Additionally, the route allowed
one additional rank. When standing on a hill, sorry,
guys, I'm starting to realize some of these are out of order,
but I did them in order of going through the book, and sometimes
it causes me to bounce back and forth, because the organization
of the two books were a little different.
Now, back to it, another shooting rule.
So all armies can shoot into combat in fifth edition, not
Justice cave, and put the say, and then if you shoot into
combat, You have to randomize them as fit, there's a 50%
chance, you'll hit your own troops.
Now this one I wrote down but I found out that most players and
5th edition, we're still doing corner to corner fighting.
So if you have your squares perfectly lined with other with
other same based models, you fight.
Not only the one or two that touching directly in front of
you, but you go. You also can attack off to the
corners if Perfectly aligned the I think the only reason I had
this memory of maybe fifth edition we didn't do.
It was because I remember specifically in six addition.
They had a diagram stating that weekend, but I found it all my
friends who even never played 6 Edition.
Also Always used corner to corner fighting.
It's so if you have someone who's confused or there's a real
stickler, you can definitely talk it out with your opponent.
And it'll be just fine corner to corner.
Fighting is much more fun. And in fact, there's there's a
lot of things in the sixth edition book that I recommend.
Even the older fifth edition players just Just factor in
everything, that's not the magic and Magic item system.
And you basically have a just a good FAQ for the fifth edition
rule book. Personally I even go, as far as
just using seven I would use the 7th edition rules in order to
correct some fiddly problems with the system, but then still
play with the fun magic items and sun, and sometimes goofy
rules of the fifth edition. Army books.
No, in 6th edition. This is for flying models.
You can ignore obstacle attack penalties, if you fly, however,
that stipulation is absent in fifth.
So if you attack models over a wall, even though you took me
flying, you still have to suffer the penalties in kind of rules
as written. I kind of like this kind of like
six giving you that image of them just harpies flapping over
the wall and being more effective at attacking those
particular difficult positions. And in combat, there are no
Overkill bonuses in 5th edition, okay?
So there's no Overkill cap in physician so that lets your
hero. Hammer models go even more ham.
If they're not given a proper Target, you can get an Overkill
bonus of Ten, perhaps with a, the right kind of crazy, Lord,
attacking a measly Champion. So and in combat around, combat,
also Panic checks are increased to a full 12 inches.
If a friendly unit breaks from combat in fifth edition, so
things will be breaking much more often.
If you're not careful, In this Edition, one thing, you have to
be careful of in maybe work with your opponent for is that in
multiple combats because there's no unit strength, the direction
of fleeing can be a little bit unclear.
So you may have to just work with your opponent and kind of
flee and reasonable Direction. Something that just maybe for
position players looking at the 6th edition following up into
fresh enemy. Six option has some ways to kind
of Measure and work out, how fear and Terror will work
against those units and give you a nice order and method of
executing the rules. Another very important rule in
that comes up is in 5th edition, there is no overrun.
So, if you completely murder unit, you on the first turn, you
will not be able to follow through.
Its can make speed bump tactics very effective.
I think we might, you might have heard the door of players
talking about using dwarfs layers, just as speed bumps in
order to guarantee charges for your other.
It's because even if they're completely wiped out.
Yeah, there's no way for the enemy to come in to you.
Now, in fifth edition is also a psychology issue.
Is if you lose your General in 5th edition, your entire Army
will need to take a panic test. I've had this happen and just my
entire Empire Army is run off the board, even with elves.
It's been it's been brutal at times.
So definitely I'll be very, very careful with your General in
physician. There's there's no Panic for
units that are wiped out with shooting next to you.
The fifth edition. Terrible is a little bit larger
at 8 inches. And in fifth edition stupidity,
has a lot more granularity to it.
You may still you might stay still or move forward.
But in six, you was always moving forward.
Frenzy is quite different in fifth edition your attacks,
double fully. It's not just plus one.
Also, your only mean to psychology while in charge range
and fifth edition. Also frenzied characters have a
very interesting. Rule because you double your
attacks. If you have a hero doubling from
three attacks, 26 attacks. Plus maybe an additional hand
weapon, or or other items include included, what you have
to do, is at the end of it to see if your character can avoid
exhaustion, you have to roll to D6.
And if you roll equal to or under that amount, the amount of
attacks you made, then you have your basic attacks reduced by
one. You can only ever be reduced to
one attack, but it's very, it's very easy.
For say a wood shelf hero that's near the collagen of blood to be
swinging 9 or 10 times and she will almost always get exhausted
after after the first tech. And then we brought down to six
attacks, plus 14 July 2000. It's pretty, it's pretty
important for balancing out that insane number of attacks that
can be thrown out though. When it came to hatred, there
was also a major difference. So, not only do you re-roll the
tax. but you must pursue and When you take brake tests, if
you're fighting a hated mop hated enemy, you have an
unmodifiable 10 when taking those tests, it's one of the one
of my least favorite rules to see Envision, I never really
played an army with hatred and it's it was always just so hard
to get around that. You can get stuck in with
anything for the for way too long, and then they're getting
flanked charged because Does this one units will not will not
budge for rule? That's sometimes.
It doesn't feel like they even paid for. is a little bit
different from stubborn and sixth edition.
Where you could always kind of feel that that was the unit's
role. Speaking of which stubborn is
gone, there is just no stubborn roll and now for a little bit
about weapons. So in 6th edition, double handed
weapons could charge and still strike.
First, the charge rules, overrode, the OE Strike last
rules into the region, is not the case in 5th edition, it has
double hand. Weapons is always striking last
no matter what pistols were a little bit different.
Now, both with this slightly different range and Maylee
ability that had them keep working in physician characters,
may not March. When there's any bait within
eight inches and there's also no provision for. 360 line, three
and sixty line of degree site when those characters are on
foot when you're being shot at, if you have a character in a
unit and there's less than five models you have to randomize
fully, it doesn't spread across like it like it did in six what
you end up having is you if you have 55 models left for our, the
unit 1 is the Doctor, you'll roll your dice assign a 1, 1 2
3, 4 5, 6 for all those models. And then say your character
would only be the five said I've had shots come at me in 50
Edition where the vale almost all.
Hit my My general and actually killed the general that way in a
very unfortunate streak of luck of luck against me.
All right into Skirmish units involving characters.
So if you have a skirmish unit with a character in it, they do
not receive the characters leadership.
They also do not receive the generals leadership, or nor can
they use battle standard-bearer rerolls for brake tests?
if you have a character in the unit and you have look out sir
it's a little bit backwards in 50 dishin so make sure If you
were rolling and you expect it to be a one and you, and you get
hit by the cannonball in Physicians actually roll.
And if you get a six, you guys are by The Cannonball.
So just just make sure before your role if you're that you and
your opponent have the same expectation of what you're
rolling for. If you have a battle Center bear
with your unit and the unit also has a standard the battle Center
and standard can stack and 5th edition so you can get a place
to just from banners in 6th edition musicians.
Still allow you to can allow you to Rally, but in fifth edition,
they don't have any rallying a railing Aid ability.
When you add character Champions, two units, they're
purchasing the character section, they're not part of the
unit selection. Like there are in the 5th of
June the 6th edition Army books. The monster chart is much more
granular. So if you lose if you lose your
writer. You'll want to consult a chart.
There's a much more detailed and varied set of responses that the
Beast might have also. Bound monsters.
So same monsters, like the dark elf Hydra they're much harder to
control than they are in in later editions and there's also
a lot more of them. Almost every Army can take some
monsters at the back of the book.
However, all of those monsters will need leadership check just
to do what you want them to do. During the during the that turn
they can't use the generals leadership during that role.
And there's a high chance that they'll just booked it and leave
the board. If you just don't keep asking
those saves those leadership checks.
Aunt. Bound monsters are just not very
safe to use. I have used them a little bit.
but all with dark elves where the hydras a has leadership
bait, it's a little bit easier and the Manticore that takes
checks, even if there's a rider on it because they're just a
angry angry little Lion bats. so, I guess, on two things with
wings, the Flying movement is 24 inches in this, not 20.
So in 5th edition. Flying units will be going to
charging a little bit faster than what you might be used to.
Also flying units are not automatically skirmishers, they
could be in certain cases, but many of them will be ranking up
with no ability to break into Skirmish formation.
If a flyer unit. Losses but passes a brake test.
They will still end up fleeing the there's no Pursuit.
It's called The Driven off Rule and so that you may need to give
a good read in some cases but it's a very interesting Rule and
this probable even include your characters on dragons.
If you just couldn't do enough wounds, but of course, your
general is a high enough leadership to pass a brake
check. He'll, he'll fly off. really
quick, although I do not believe that he breaks He just falls
back into a safe position unwilling to get stuck in
Altoona. Unit type, we have chariots.
So cherries had really big changes between the two editions
in fifth. They're much more resilient and
they don't explode too high strength weapons in fifth, you
there, not one stat block you randomize shooting and melee
between the Chariot body, the crew in the beasts.
And both. Melee and shooting are on
slightly different tables. So you'll have to check this can
also lead to crazy things happening like the Riders being
killed and then or the cherry juice being killed and then the
Chariot careening off into unknown direction or the Cherry
can just stopped dead and then the charioteers can Dismount and
other large Target classification for shooting is
war machines. So even your stone throwers and
repeater bolt, throwers will technically probably count as a
10-foot wide or 10 foot tall Target and they're specifically
labeled in the shooting section. So your crew and war machines
are a little bit more, vulnerable to basic shooting
this Edition. The stone thrower is a little
less effective and that you have to cut you.
Have to fully cover models in order to in order to get, we
have to cover more than half of the model in order to get a
chance to roll for plus to hit them.
The one getting is that the strength is a little bit higher.
The model directly under is hit automatically though when it
comes to cannons. The regular Cannon is D4 wounds
not D3. When you have a bolt thrower,
this single shot is only strength 5 in this Edition.
But it does do deforms. Not III, also repeater both
doors are a bit nastier at times in this Edition.
With even the repeating shots shooting four shots ignoring
armor, also piercing ranks, ignoring armor all the way
through demon animosities in the main rule book and fourth
edition as well as the ability to challenge greater demons.
Chris said magic is vastly different.
So we're not even a touch on it here.
Now, one of the main reasons, one of the main things, you
always want to check. Whenever whenever you look at
each different editions, a, if your group plays all sorts of
different things, is definitely skirmishers the Skirmish you
model. The scrimmage rules are one of
the only things that probably changed in every single Edition
that in fast, Cavalry and both of them are such an important
part of fantasy to me. That's where you really can
maneuver and can outsmart your opponent.
So, I I always try to get these as correct as possible whenever
I'm playing any particular Edition.
So, in the fifth edition, skirmishers can spread up to two
inches. So your formations, we get quite
wide. And if you have a musician, you
can actually form up into a full into a ranked unit now, because
you also have the two inches of space, you can actually shoot
and see through all through your Through the gaps in between
models in six addition, it was almost like having a block in
front of you weird cloud of of models that you couldn't shoot
through. The fifth edition of commercials
are also a little bit strange in that, you can be engaged. but,
Since the the models don't suck into fight.
There's a chance that they could be.
In the unit could be in a combat but not everyone is engaged.
Now, so that mean what they allow you to do, is the models
that are not, engage can actually shoot and behave, more
or less. Normally they have to Endeavor
to get into combat as quickly as possible.
But sometimes it might be floating around in the back on a
turn where you didn't charge and during your exertion, you can
actually Take potshots while you're waiting to get into
combat and like I said, you can form up into a block with the
musician. You can also deploy a
skirmishing unit in a block formation.
And then, you can break them into a skirmish formation at any
time, just by moving out of a standard regimental Square now
because you don't kind of suck into combat.
Skirmish unit is actually a pretty heavy screen against
Certain are certain enemy units that focus on doing wounds in
order to kill you. You could easily hit a
skirmisher and then you, Turn to a line on it.
Maybe you'll touch one more one more, skirmisher model, but
maybe maybe not even. So you might be fighting again
with just Two or maybe Max three of your models against this one
skirmisher. and if you don't close enough wounds, you may not
actually cause enough to break the unit or two color to cause a
bad enough check. So this has its has quite a lot
of consequences. When controlling your enemy, you
can also run the skirmishers up to within an inch of an enemy
tournament tournament just an awkward position and the unit
might not even want to charge to get rid of you at that point
because their first, their Pursuit would take them kind of
All right. So that's all.
That's all my notes. I just want to keep this short
and sweet anyway because I feel like it's a little bit dry, what
we're going over. But I just wanted to be like
Some of them might help spark your memory that.
Oh, I have to go look at this. Or I have to double-check and
make sure that I'm not making an assumption that my opponent has
a different idea about. Alright, so thank you very much
and Here, we're getting into 2021 now but your let's play
Warhammer like it's 1997. All right.
All right, have a good day. Thank you.