1 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,640 Thanks Andy for coming on mate. I appreciate it and thank you so 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:08,960 much. Thank you for having me here. 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:10,520 No mate, we should have done this. 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,960 Like I said, I think we tried to do this a while ago and I think 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,480 maybe we just got really busy then. 6 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:18,920 Yeah, I. Think it's been, it's been 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,320 years. Because last time, the first 8 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:26,600 time you, you, you wrote to me, I was living in another country. 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,120 Oh, really? So I was about to move back to 10 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:36,160 Spain and the next time you got in contact, I think I was was 11 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:39,360 moving to another, just going to move to another city. 12 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:48,240 So it's been like constant things happening in my life. 13 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:50,560 That's fair enough. I. 14 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:54,000 Should have called you before. No, not at all. 15 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:59,040 It I think it was only because I had Mccurious and Pablo on and 16 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,080 you were in the chat and I thought, oh, that's right, I 17 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,879 have to contact you again about getting you on. 18 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,480 So I'm glad you did that that day because sometimes it's hard 19 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,520 to keep up with a lot of things, you know, because there's so 20 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,920 many things going on, you know, that, you know, you're working, 21 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:20,480 you're doing stuff. And yeah, but I know you're 22 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,040 really, you made some wonderful releases there for a while and 23 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,360 did some kick starters on your projects for Red Bar games, 24 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,600 which were really cool. You know, they're sort of really 25 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:35,160 in theme and in in the style of what we guys enjoy 26 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,800 aesthetically. So mate, how did, how did that 27 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:40,000 all? How did that all start? 28 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,120 Because you sort of mentioned you did some Commission painting 29 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,320 before and stuff like that. How did how did it turn into 30 00:01:44,320 --> 00:01:47,800 doing red bar games like, you know, sculpting miniatures and 31 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,760 everything? Well, I, well, I think like, 32 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,400 like like most of us, like it's been always there since they're 33 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:02,520 a kid, like the, the interest in this, I think I started with 34 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:07,240 Hero Quest, like many, many others here, especially here in 35 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,039 Spain, because we didn't have anything before and since Hero 36 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:15,800 Quest. Well, I start painting, not 37 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,480 playing because I didn't have like a group of people, you 38 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:25,520 know, like collecting miniatures and playing role-playing games 39 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,920 or buying them. Then when I when I was a 40 00:02:27,920 --> 00:02:37,240 teenager, I joined a group of people or Hammer Club, and since 41 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,080 then I haven't stopped. So. 42 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:44,480 Well, you have all this period when you start drinking and 43 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:50,160 going out and you forget about and for some years you put all 44 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,280 your miniatures in a drawer and just think about other stuff. 45 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,800 Yeah, it's been always, always there. 46 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:04,480 Then I I was a staff also in beans worship here in Madrid. 47 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,680 I see your. I see your. 48 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:09,840 Still got it on mate. Yeah, 35 years later. 49 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,680 You working there? I worked at the Oxford Street 50 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:18,120 store in 1995 for about, I don't know how many months. 51 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,240 It was maybe 6 months. And then I moved, moved to Luton 52 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,520 and worked there for about, I don't know, three or four 53 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,160 months. And then I got a job at the 54 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,760 studio as a, as a painter. Yeah, for a very brief short 55 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,080 time. And I wish I'd stayed there, but 56 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,400 for whatever reason, I think I just got homesick and I just 57 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,560 wanted to go back home again. So I was kind of a silly movie. 58 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,240 Where are. You from Australia originally, 59 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:44,040 yeah. Yeah. 60 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,360 But now living in Japan, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 61 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:53,120 As you know, but yeah, and I had a brief, brief whirlwind kind of 62 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:58,480 tour of of UK and working as my dream was my dream to work for 63 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,400 the gangs workshop as AI don't know what how old I was then I 64 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,360 think about 19 or 20 or something like that. 65 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,320 And I did the same thing I discovered here request like you 66 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:16,800 mate back in 1990 or 1989. And yeah, just was really 67 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,160 totally, you know, this was the hobby for me. 68 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,400 I couldn't stop Yeah, looking at the pictures and then finding 69 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,880 White Dwarf and 4th edition fantasy battles. 70 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,720 And yeah, just that was my dream just to work for the company as 71 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,600 we didn't have we didn't have stores in Australia at that 72 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:32,520 time. There was nothing. 73 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,520 So yeah, what? What? 74 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,320 Yeah, same here. We, we have a first thoughts 75 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:45,880 when they're, I think 92 when they released 4th edition, maybe 76 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:47,680 9294. I, I can't remember. 77 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,280 I, I can still remember the like the, the smell when I opened the 78 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:57,960 hero quest box of the spruce and it was like, like, like life 79 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,520 changing for me. Well, for many, many of us. 80 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:06,840 I, I do remember the, the sensations and where I was in my 81 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:10,280 house was sitting in like in the carpet in the dining room. 82 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,400 I, I was very young then. So yeah, that's, that's where 83 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,560 you start. And then, you know, I never, 84 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,440 never thought of making miniatures because it was 85 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:24,160 something like, from like being a, like a rock star or something 86 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,480 that you don't, you don't dream of. 87 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:31,000 It's like other people's stuff. Like even even I couldn't even 88 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:37,800 conceive like the, the existence of that job was something alien 89 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:43,240 for me back then was very was, was was more difficult than now 90 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:47,160 to make miniatures because you you need a lot of infrastructure 91 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,280 like spinning balls and all that thing. 92 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:51,560 Now it's very easy now everyone can do it. 93 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,880 Years later, I found some friends that they have made 94 00:05:55,880 --> 00:06:02,000 their own company and they were starting to grow. 95 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,320 Now they're very big last short miniatures. 96 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,400 I don't know if you've heard of them, they have a a Patreon. 97 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,840 Last sword miniatures? I haven't heard of them, no. 98 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,560 Well, they're, they're very, they're very good, quite big. 99 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,440 Now they make more modern stuff. They don't make like old, old 100 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,520 school stuff, old school stuff, you know, But they, they were 101 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:25,400 friends from mine when I was starting playing with in a group 102 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:31,520 and I got inspired and I started, I made an online course 103 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,840 for three days Captain. And while I was working, I was 104 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:42,720 working in a, in an architecture firm, like making houses and 105 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:47,280 that stuff. I started sculpting like like a 106 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:50,080 hobby. And when I had some meters 107 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:56,440 together, I launched my first Kickstarter and I decided to, to 108 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:01,400 lose job stability and become half real. 109 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,840 No, but back then my, the company where I worked, yes, it 110 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:12,240 went bankruptcy. So I was like forced to, to do 111 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,240 something with my life. And this was like, and because I 112 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:21,480 liked all these old school I, I tend to do this, this kind of 113 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,000 style. I know it's, it's a very small 114 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,720 community, like old school alhammer people. 115 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,920 We are not very much, there's not, there's not a lot of market 116 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:38,160 inside that market. Many people are just collectors 117 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:44,120 from original stuff and other people just like metals, metal, 118 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:48,000 miniatures. So what I'm doing is like a 119 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,320 niche inside a niche inside, you know, like something very 120 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,680 specific inside something very specific inside something very 121 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,320 specific. But but yeah, I have some 122 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,000 regular customers. People are people respond very 123 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,720 well. I'm not happy with it. 124 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,200 Oh, that's good mate, That's great. 125 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:13,560 Well, maybe maybe it was just, you know, fate that your company 126 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:15,840 went bankrupt and it forced you into doing something. 127 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,640 And, and now look at you now you know, you've got a wonderful 128 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,520 website, got all these amazing things that you've made and you 129 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,000 know, you're obviously building reputation and people are buying 130 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,080 your products and you're selling or exporting your stuff to 131 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,600 different stores and people are stocking it on the shelves. 132 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,600 Well, I, I, I only have one store. 133 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:40,679 I I usually only sell online, but I have some customers that 134 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,840 that they have a store and they just happen to live in the city 135 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,760 that that's right next to where I live. 136 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,400 So I just go there and leave them some stock. 137 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:55,200 And once a month or twice a month, I go and, and exchange 138 00:08:55,320 --> 00:09:03,240 change things to do stock. Yeah, but mostly this is, I 139 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,720 mean, it's very difficult to to have a profit if you're selling 140 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,480 through a store. There are lots of people and I 141 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,880 don't, I don't, you know, I made everything at home. 142 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,600 I print at home. It's not like a big 143 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:23,280 manufacturing, it doesn't scale very well. 144 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:28,760 It's a lot of it takes a lot of time to print and prepare the 145 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:32,440 menus and clean them. To make it like wholesale 146 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:37,800 business, it has to be like greater to consumer deal. 147 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,760 Yeah, you sort of like print order kind of thing. 148 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:41,680 They order the. Yeah. 149 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:43,320 It's print order. Yeah, Yeah. 150 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,960 So I don't have to to have a a warehouse because as I say, 151 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,400 there's not a big market for this. 152 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,840 We are always the same people around. 153 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,960 Yeah, but it's it's putting some really nice designs in people's 154 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,560 hands that, you know, have that same feel like I like, I really 155 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:05,200 like the the I'm looking at the Yogas here now and the I think 156 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:09,280 he did some Ogrins as well, which were really nice and some 157 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,400 nice orc inspired pieces with the Wyvern. 158 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,480 Was it a coctress or Wyvern that you had the? 159 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,000 Things like. Coctress yeah, that was really 160 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,480 nice too. And yeah, really nicely painted, 161 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:26,320 I think. What's the old mate in Spain who 162 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,480 paints those for you? Maxi? 163 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,520 Maxi. Yeah, he did a really good job 164 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:31,040 on. That yeah, Maxi. 165 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,600 Yeah, really nice. Yeah, well, I start. 166 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,360 I met Maxi through a friend. Come on, friend. 167 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:44,920 And the the first big status I paint all by myself. 168 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:50,360 Then I was like overwhelmed with I couldn't do everything. 169 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,560 So I contact him and I mean, he's he's very good painter. 170 00:10:55,680 --> 00:11:00,720 He is very, very good. And now I moved to where? 171 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,800 To his city. So I'm, I'm living, I'm his 172 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:04,600 neighbor. Oh, that's good. 173 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,760 That's great. I mean, I didn't move because of 174 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:12,680 him. I moved here and then he was, he 175 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:15,720 was here. Yeah, but it makes things easier 176 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:20,600 because I just can go knock on his door and ask him to paint 177 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,480 things. It's easier to for sending 178 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,080 things back and forth. Yeah, because I think he's a 179 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,080 full time Commission painter too, isn't he? 180 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,560 Yeah, yeah, he's a full time commissioner. 181 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:33,800 Yeah. Yep, nice. 182 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,200 I should have called him. Yeah, we should. 183 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,000 We should have done. Yeah, we do. 184 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,600 I had I had him on a live stream years ago on the chronic amount. 185 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:49,800 This is going back I think 2020-2021 I think and I spoke to 186 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,000 him. But the, the, unfortunately the 187 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:56,520 Wi-Fi connection on his side was really bad. 188 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:58,800 So the picture was really terrible and really grainy and 189 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,520 you couldn't see anything. And so I'll need, we'll need to 190 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:04,640 reconnect with Maxi and get him back on and go through like his 191 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:09,480 entire catalog of stuff. Because I, I'm very pleased to 192 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,120 say that I've met really great Spanish people through the 193 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,840 Chronic command. I've met like Maxi. 194 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:20,480 I know Angel. I know Angel. 195 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,400 His last name I can't pronounce, but he's he's the really 196 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,080 talented guy behind the Hirohammer fanzine. 197 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,400 So if you if you're familiar with our fanzine that he created 198 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:38,080 it, he's the graphic designer. He does all the layout and all 199 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,520 the he's really good at he's a really he's a trained artist, so 200 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,840 he does a lot of illustrations. He did the front cover for the 201 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,720 second issue with the scathing on it. 202 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:53,920 And he also is a passionate gamer in the 4th edition era. 203 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,560 That kind of the thing that I really, we, we really sort of 204 00:12:57,680 --> 00:13:01,040 like that kind of era of White magazine and everything. 205 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,960 So he stylized everything around that. 206 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,120 Very good miniature painter as well. 207 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,440 And I'm pretty sure he's in Madrid too. 208 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,280 So I'll need to get you guys in contact. 209 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,680 Look, I'm not in Madrid anymore. Oh, and really I. 210 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:15,440 Moved. Yeah. 211 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:21,360 Are you in Barcelona? No, I'm in a small down in the 212 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,000 north of Spain. Right, it's. 213 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:27,760 Called abiles. It's like in like in the coast, 214 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,440 but in the north. Right. 215 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:34,120 OK, We have a a climate similar to to the South of England. 216 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,640 So it's rainy. Yeah. 217 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:37,880 It's green. Everything's green. 218 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,320 There's mountains. Yeah. 219 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:39,800 Yeah. Oh. 220 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:41,720 Sounds nice. This. 221 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:43,280 This is very nice. Yeah, yeah. 222 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,360 And it's much cheaper than Madrid. 223 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,120 I'd imagine it would be, yeah. Imagine it would be me. 224 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:53,080 I mean, like housing is, but third is, is really different. 225 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,400 So we have to move to here. We we moved here to to afford 226 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,960 that. House, yeah, to get a house and 227 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,760 yeah, to have a living. Yeah, I can understand that 228 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:06,240 mate. And also the climate in Madrid 229 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:11,400 is really hot. In summer it cannot be there. 230 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,840 And in winter it's really cold. So it cannot be there. 231 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,160 Never. It's it's always uncomfortable. 232 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:20,840 Yeah, it doesn't sound. So I, I grew there. 233 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:26,160 I've lived there all my life. But now we've come here and it's 234 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,360 really nice. And it's also a smaller place, 235 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:34,600 more like can life is different here. 236 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:41,920 The sort of Alzheimer community here in Spain and creators and 237 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,320 people, people doing all kinds of things. 238 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:52,840 One of my friend is Alberto and he makes for, he makes like, you 239 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:59,720 know, designs for, for, for Warhammer Quest supplements. 240 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:05,520 So he he makes like material and adventures and he's always like 241 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,280 maybe graphic design for, for all this. 242 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:14,840 He's quite, he's like quite known in the Warhammer, what's 243 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,160 the name? Warhammer Quest. 244 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:17,560 Quest. Community, Yeah. 245 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,440 Yeah, that's we're, we're quite a lot of people here and I think 246 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:26,480 that era hit hard here in Spain. Yeah, it's interesting. 247 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,840 Like I had like, you know, Mercurius on and Pablo and I 248 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,600 don't know much about, you know, like how the how the hobby was I 249 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:39,560 how it impacted other countries apart from the UK and maybe the 250 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,800 United States being the two big countries. 251 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,400 And then you realize, wow, they they sort of expanded out and 252 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,320 they went into the European market and they went to Germany, 253 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,880 Spain, where else? France, France as well. 254 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,960 That's right. France, yeah. 255 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,120 They they they translate. Italy, yeah. 256 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,880 Oh, in Italy too. Yeah, Italy as well, yeah. 257 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:08,960 You know, France and and Spain had back when I was a painter or 258 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:10,120 what? What? 259 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:15,280 Back when I was in beings worship, they were famous for 260 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,400 their paint for the painters. We had the very, very good 261 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,280 painting community and they, they won a lot of golden demons 262 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,960 and they travelled. You had the Spanish team that 263 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,120 travelled to, to different countries to for the golden 264 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:36,720 demons because each country had their own competition. 265 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,560 So yeah, there, there, there was a lot of of movement here. 266 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,080 Yeah, I mean, you know, the the miniature hobby has been, you 267 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,160 know, especially in Spain has been quite prolific. 268 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,240 If you think of companies like Vallejo, the paint range, which 269 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:58,760 I love, I use them all the time. And and of course I played a lot 270 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,880 of the Infinity system from Corbis Belly, which is also a 271 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,480 massive company there. Yeah. 272 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,319 Yeah. Plus there's the other night 273 00:17:06,319 --> 00:17:08,520 night game. Is it night models? 274 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:09,280 Night. Games. 275 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,160 Night games. Nightmare Models is from Spain. 276 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,960 Night Models is from Spain Peraso. 277 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:21,119 Yep. Greenstaff World is from Spain, 278 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:23,920 I think scale model is is from Spain. 279 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,680 The paint, the paintings, the paints, yeah, there's a lot of 280 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:32,000 industry there is is that nothing compared to to England, 281 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:37,800 obviously that's where that's another level that's that's 282 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,920 great. Yeah, but there seems to be, you 283 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,960 know, obviously you've got, you've got an all timer event. 284 00:17:47,120 --> 00:17:50,120 You know, I think maybe that is in Barcelona. 285 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:53,200 I think when people all get together and play like third 286 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:55,640 edition type of stuff and all that kind of thing. 287 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:59,800 We used to have one for several years in Madrid. 288 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:08,680 I don't know if there's other events in, in Barcelona, but I 289 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,400 mean, it was made by a group, a group of friends. 290 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:18,280 It was a lot of work. So we did like 3 and then the 291 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:24,400 energy and interest fade and we kept, I mean, it turned, it 292 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,560 turned like it sounded like a, a group of people wanted to get 293 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,560 together to make an old hammer event. 294 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:33,040 And then it turned into a group of friends, like getting 295 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:38,360 together on weekends and, you know, making like small things 296 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,600 more often, but not open to the to the general public. 297 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,200 Right. And we made like a meeting. 298 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:51,320 It was not like a hammer event because it was semi private. 299 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:58,120 It was not announced. We made one last year and we 300 00:18:58,120 --> 00:19:00,880 have when we we hire like in in a hotel. 301 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:07,800 We had a big room with with desks and a lot of there was 302 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:12,000 Mercurios there Pablo. Well, lots of everyone and it 303 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,360 was really fun. It was really fun. 304 00:19:13,360 --> 00:19:15,640 It was really nice. Can you spend like a weekend 305 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:20,760 with your friends? You play a day party at night 306 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,560 and go lunch together. It's really fine. 307 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,040 It's like like, well, you've been to boil. 308 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,120 I haven't been to boil yet, no. OK. 309 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,800 But you are going to you are going this year. 310 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,040 I hope so. You're planning to go kind of 311 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:37,880 the attention. I hope so, yeah. 312 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:43,760 OK, well, it's kind of like that, but without having all the 313 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:50,240 all the original miniatures for the white darts around you, that 314 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:55,160 kind of spirit. We, we were like, I mean, maybe 315 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,920 3030, forty people, I don't know, because then people came 316 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:02,840 and and and go. And there were lots of they were 317 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:08,160 like let me check, they have at least like 6 tables, six games 318 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,960 running at the same time. Somewhere longer, somewhere 319 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,640 shorter, you have like more Dame or a passive request. 320 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:21,920 I played Warhammer 40K second edition with Mercurius. 321 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:28,760 Well, more people, but they were constant games on the day. 322 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,840 Nice. I I guess like 30-40 people. 323 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:35,720 That's a big turn out. It's a big turn out, yeah. 324 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:37,040 Yeah. Yeah. 325 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,200 And it was not announced. I mean, it was supposed to be 326 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:44,240 like, we are a group of friends getting together. 327 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,520 But then can I bring my friend? Can I? 328 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,360 I, I know this guy that wants to come. 329 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:54,920 So OK, you can, he can come. And at some point we were like a 330 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:56,760 lot of people. It was good. 331 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,760 It was fun. And I think that's the correct 332 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,200 way to do things because that's how you get to meet new people. 333 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:09,800 And it not it's like very endogamic, like always the same 334 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,920 people. It's good to have like, 335 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:20,280 different points of view and you see new miniatures, new ways of 336 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,240 painting. We'll get new friends. 337 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,920 I think that's the way. Just like poison. 338 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,360 Yeah, Oh, I was when I was I I went twice spoiled. 339 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,040 It's amazing. And you should go the third time 340 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:39,440 I went I was going to play a game with back with. 341 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,760 I think you have hit the David Fantastic guy, Dave. 342 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,760 Gilson. Gilson. 343 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:46,560 Gilson. Sorry, Yeah. 344 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,160 Sorry, I don't mistake. My pronunciation? 345 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:50,960 No. Dave Gilson. 346 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:51,720 Dave Gilson? Yeah. 347 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:53,040 With his brother. Yeah. 348 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,280 Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 349 00:21:55,880 --> 00:22:01,600 They're a fantastic guide and I was very happy to go. 350 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,440 So I got into the plane, I arrived there and I was going to 351 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:12,440 be there on Monday and then the band was on Friday and Friday, 352 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,600 Saturday, Sunday. So I was going to be there the 353 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:21,920 whole week in in Nottingham. So I arrived there. 354 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,560 I start coughing, I start feeling bad. 355 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:33,080 So I take a COVID test and I had, well, I was positive in 356 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,080 COVID. So I, I got really, really sick, 357 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,640 like really, really sick. Terrible. 358 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,760 So I had to stay the whole week in my hotel room in Nottingham. 359 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:49,000 I mean, and it was the, the cheapest room in Nottingham. 360 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,400 So it was not like the Hilton Hotel. 361 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,480 It was like the movie transporting something like 362 00:22:54,480 --> 00:23:01,440 that. And and I was like, I was having 363 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:05,160 like I had like very high fever, like 40. 364 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,520 I don't know. I had 40° in but very high 365 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:09,560 fever. Very dangerous. 366 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:13,360 And I was having like hallucinations, you know, like I 367 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:17,080 was really, really, really bad. And I couldn't, I was alone. 368 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,480 So I had to stay a whole week there. 369 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,000 It's just like transporting now. Just like, No, no heroin just 370 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:28,640 yet, yeah. It was like, yeah, with the, you 371 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,600 know, the, the blanket or sweaty, horrible. 372 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,760 It's horrible, it's terrible. And I missed the, the event. 373 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:42,760 I couldn't go to the event. And then next week we are having 374 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,800 a trip to Ireland with my wife and part of her, her family. 375 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:54,920 I got just in just healed to get to Ireland and I was not very 376 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,480 eager for that trip. But I, it was like a family, 377 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,000 family thing. So I, I had to make that trip 378 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,680 another week in Ireland being while while I was recovering. 379 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:11,040 So it was hard. It was not a very good 380 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,200 experience. And the next year was the last 381 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:20,120 year and I want I was going to go, but I just was moving from 382 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,600 Madrid to Abiles, so I had to cancel everything. 383 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,160 It's a shame. I hope, I hope this year is the 384 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,520 the year. Yeah, it's the revenge trip, 385 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,280 this one. So yeah, Dave, the Gilson 386 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:35,960 brothers bet. Are you ready mate, to host you 387 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,120 there? No, they, I, they were very nice 388 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:44,680 because the first time I, I went there, I didn't, I know I didn't 389 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,880 need anyone. I asked in the forum. 390 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,240 No, in the Facebook group, Is there space? 391 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:57,800 Can I, is there somewhere I can, are they quickly wrote, wrote me 392 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,600 back. And you can play our game and. 393 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,320 But they're not arguing with each other. 394 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,200 When they're not arguing, yeah. But it's it's, it's part of the 395 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,800 experience. Yeah, that's exactly. 396 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,720 It's like watching Fawlty Towers at the boil, you know, like 397 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:14,720 seeing those two, like Manuel and and Basil Fawlty, you know, 398 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,240 all Basil and Sybil, you know, fighting it over their their 399 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,600 their argument's been legendary. So have the cabaret in the 400 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:23,480 background. It'd be great. 401 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,960 Yeah, that'd be awesome. Yeah, but they're lucky to have 402 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,720 a brother that it's in the same hobby and the same interest. 403 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,720 Then then yeah, yeah, that's, I think that's very fortunate. 404 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,640 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. 405 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,800 A lot of his 4th edition games have been legendary, like he's 406 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,840 recreated the Battle for Eastgate and Revenge of the Doom 407 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,440 Lord. Yeah, I played that game. 408 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:52,800 Oh, you played that one, did you? 409 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,400 Yeah, I played the reinforcements the from. 410 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:04,080 I think he's left reinforcement against Dino Allen. 411 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,960 Allen, I don't know. I don't think yeah. 412 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,160 Well, he's a friend of David. He's also the the the the nicest 413 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,080 guy. Right. 414 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,280 Nice. Yeah, probably. 415 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:24,480 And yeah, who played that? And I think, I think Jervis 416 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:29,600 Johnson was watching over. Yeah, yeah. 417 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:30,320 That's awesome. Yeah. 418 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,760 That. That's quite. 419 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,280 That's right. I didn't know who he was, but 420 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,400 they told me later. And he was like, yeah. 421 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,600 That, that's incredible to have Jervis Johnson there looking 422 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,400 over, looking over something He, he basically wrote, you know. 423 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,000 Yes, that's the thing that we don't have in the in Spanish 424 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,400 whole hammer. Yeah, with that, it's, it's 425 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:02,040 because Boyle is, it's nice because it's, it's like a 426 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,960 birthday party, Like everyone, everybody's around. 427 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:10,880 It's not like going to like a big event where you have like 428 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:18,200 when you see all these people far away, like is, is that 429 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,000 everything is like in the same place merging together. 430 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,600 You can walk, you can start talking to to different people 431 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,680 that and you turn around and there's Rick Presley and you 432 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,160 turn the other way around and you have, I don't know, like 433 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,200 jump Blanche. It's and everyone is very nice. 434 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:46,160 It's yeah, it's you're going to, you're going to like, you're 435 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,320 going to love it. And you already know half of the 436 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,640 people there. Well, that that was that was 437 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,960 kind of the reason to go is to meet everyone. 438 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,720 It, you know, face to face that I've sort of known and been in 439 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,640 contact with people like Ang Hill, like I was talking about 440 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,440 before. He's actually going this year. 441 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:08,360 So to meet him for the first time will be amazing to meet a 442 00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:10,880 lot of the guys, you know, a lot of people that I've known 443 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,360 through the chronic command to meet them in person. 444 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,920 And maybe the bit maybe this is the only chance I'll ever have 445 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,520 of ever doing it. So it'd be pretty special if I 446 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,320 can do it and I just hope that I don't get bloody COVID when I go 447 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,320 there or get get something, you know? 448 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:34,840 Well, I I mean, it's not as easy to go from Japan to England that 449 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,920 from Spain, I mean. Yeah, Yeah, that's true. 450 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,000 That's it's, it's a different, different experience, I mean, 451 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,920 and much more expensive, right? But I mean, it's something you 452 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,520 have to do sometime in your life, a little, a little once. 453 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:55,400 If you are a part of this community, it's like pilgrimage 454 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,920 or like something it is a bit. It is a bit, yeah. 455 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,600 Yeah, that's true. I tried to tell that to my 456 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,960 friends about a lot into this, and they are. 457 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,680 Yeah, yeah, I will go someday. You know, every year people get 458 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,880 older. It's not going to last forever, 459 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,680 so it should be done as sooner as possible. 460 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,400 Yeah, that's true. You're absolutely right. 461 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,320 And it's a real shame that I can never meet Brian Ansell, meet 462 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,600 him in the purse, be in person, shake his hand and say hello and 463 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:32,480 thank him for all the amazing, you know, miniatures and games 464 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,320 he helped produce and, and all of that. 465 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,000 But I get to meet Kev, and hopefully he'll be still around 466 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,160 when, when I eventually get there, Kev Adams will be one of 467 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:48,160 the people I really want to, you know, shake hands with and thank 468 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,840 him for all the amazing love and talent he's put into these 469 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,400 models that we've painted and collect over the years. 470 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,520 Because I can still remember being on the school bus going 471 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:04,280 back from school, from high school back home, and, you know, 472 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,200 looking at all those beautiful night goblin models that are in 473 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,560 those pages, you know, thinking, wow, that this looks amazing. 474 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,840 You know the character in those figures are incredible. 475 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,480 Our sponsor, Black Arrow Minis, is a reputable reseller of 476 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,360 classic 90 Citadel and Marauder miniatures, with Rangers 477 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,680 covering the classic Perry Empire designs, the Marauder 478 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,520 Dwarf range, Kev Adams Greenskins and Jez Goodwin's 479 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,360 iconic High Elves. So head over to their main 480 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,160 website to browse through their collection today at 481 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:46,600 www.blackarrowminis.com. We are lucky to to have our, I 482 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:51,320 want to say heroes, but people so that that have been so 483 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:56,080 influential, especially if if we are living, if we are making a 484 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,040 living out of this that they are these people have been really 485 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,720 influential and they are not they are affordable. 486 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,680 People mean that. I mean, if I was a musician, I 487 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,520 would never meet Mike Jagger. I mean, that would be something 488 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,760 really impossible to to do because it's, it's like in a 489 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:21,640 stratospheric level, someone that you would never be able to 490 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,960 approach. But the people that really 491 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,840 influence us as as kids, the people that were making all 492 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:35,720 those signatures, they're just, they, they go to they're, 493 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,240 they're not like superstars. And the fact that they're really 494 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,960 approachable people and you can find them, you can talk to them, 495 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:52,120 you can ask them questions, you can merge with them. 496 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,640 So I think that's something good about our hobby. 497 00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,040 Yep, Yep. Absolutely. 498 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,720 Man, that's nice. It's nice that those guys want 499 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,520 to come down to those events and reconnect with people that do 500 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,040 admire these people as being sort of their sort of, you know, 501 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,760 childhood heroes, if you like. Yeah, and they're also they're 502 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,080 enjoying the band. I mean, it's not that they are 503 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:22,080 like they're paid to be there or you know, like they're not going 504 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,840 to to sign autographs and sit in the. 505 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,040 I mean, they're part of the the that they're enjoying that thing 506 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,600 as the same as you, so. Yes, that's a good point. 507 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,880 Because it's not like one of those conventions where you go 508 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,720 to see some star personality and they're just in a booth and you 509 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,000 walk up and say hello and, you know, can you sign my book or 510 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,640 whatever? Yeah, it's not like. 511 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,640 They're not, they're not there for the money, you know, they're 512 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,800 for the experience. No, that's. 513 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,600 Nice are there for a nice pint of beer and a Curry and a good 514 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,160 good. Curry people. 515 00:32:55,320 --> 00:33:01,640 Yeah, so. Well, and the people, they're 516 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:07,600 the people who organized the band and, you know, Diane and 517 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,880 and Marco, they're really, really, really, really nice 518 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,720 people. Yeah, yeah, that'd be nice, 519 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:18,000 mate. What, what kind of, what kind of 520 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,360 like, you know, in terms of the old hammer movement kind of 521 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,520 thing, like, you know, in terms of games and miniatures, what 522 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,000 kind of things are your favourites? 523 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,360 What, what kind of games do you really enjoy playing in 524 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:30,800 miniatures? You like collecting and 525 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:37,840 painting? Oh, well, in games, I'm really 526 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:45,840 like hijacker, hijacker, you know, I get in in the game that 527 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:51,920 other people are organizing. I when we play. 528 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:53,920 Yeah. Yeah. 529 00:33:54,480 --> 00:34:01,640 So honestly, I, well, I have an army of orcs, but it goes very 530 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,800 slow because I paint maybe one miniature every six months. 531 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:12,199 So it takes me well, probably I have been years since I've been 532 00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:19,679 last, but I like to when we play here, at least here, there's 533 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:24,360 always someone that brings the miniatures and we just hop in 534 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,320 the we play the games I I enjoy the most. 535 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,040 And it's what we usually play are a little have a little bit 536 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:40,800 of role play, like a, a back story with maybe surprises 537 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:44,600 extra, you know, the, the characters have maybe their own 538 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,280 objectives. So it's, we have a game master 539 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,760 that is like usually the one who brings the miniatures and plants 540 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,440 it that, that, that kind of game that are not not like 541 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,680 competitive, but more like telling a story. 542 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,080 And, and that's, those are always fun. 543 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,920 And we play like group of people, I believe 5-6 people. 544 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:14,400 So that's, that's the thing that I enjoy the most maybe. 545 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:19,400 And the rules we use, we used to, we used to play with 3rd 546 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:24,360 edition because that's what many of our my friends use. 547 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:32,560 And sometimes 5th edition or I, I because I'm, I'm a bit out of 548 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:38,000 the of the group now that I'm here and I'm busy, but I think 549 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,960 they're using like the rules of ancient battles. 550 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:44,840 Oh. Yeah. 551 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:51,120 Because they are a little better than 4th edition, but they are 552 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,600 not quite 5th edition. So there it's like a a mix of of 553 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,520 rules and different editions. But it's I really it's most 554 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:05,960 mostly about the story, not the the rules of the of the 555 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,800 miniatures of the miniatures. Time to say I play with my I 556 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:15,960 have a beer guard army also like rogue trader, you know, the old 557 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:23,000 ones with the old ones from with rhinos and some squats also. 558 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,440 Yeah, that's the kind that's about what I paint. 559 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:31,400 But since I may meet my own miniatures, I'm to busy to or to 560 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,600 to tired to to do a side projects. 561 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,200 But I enjoy the the the experience of being there and 562 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,360 playing with other people, being part of that. 563 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,840 That's that's what I really enjoy. 564 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,120 That's good, mate. Yeah, that's the Imperial Guard 565 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,240 back in Rogue Trader. That's when they had Beastmen in 566 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:54,760 their forces too. Yeah, in fact, in my last 567 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,160 Kickstarter I made some alternative Beastmen. 568 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,920 I well, not, not me, I have, I work, I mean even the the 569 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,440 company company, the Red Bar games is mine. 570 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:14,000 I have sometimes a freelancer that helps me, that makes other 571 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,840 miniatures and we work like in tandem, like together. 572 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,560 And I tell him what to do, he sculpts. 573 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,000 I correct. So it's like a work of sometimes 574 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,440 it's a work of two, but he's like a freelancer and he does 575 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,640 other, other stuff also. He has his own, his own stuff 576 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:35,520 going. So he's not part of the he has 577 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,480 not the interest in the miniatures. 578 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,680 He's just a he's a sculptor and he's really good. 579 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,920 Yeah, we made some some business, but these were like we 580 00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:53,440 have some like birds, it's with like like beak or like like 581 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,040 cows, but they were different animals. 582 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,120 Cool, Well that's good mate. Talk about Red bar games. 583 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,960 What projects or kick starters have you got lined up in the 584 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,400 future? What kind of projects are you 585 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,760 working on now? Our next project is not going to 586 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:12,400 be all Hammer. It's going to we are getting we 587 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:18,920 are making a Patreon to sell like digital sculptures or print 588 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:24,200 for the printers, but it's going before role-playing games. 589 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:31,360 Oh, cool. Obviously as an art director or 590 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,280 the the the person who chooses the style is going to look. 591 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,320 Everything tends to look what I like. 592 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,840 You know, my personal taste and my personal taste is very 593 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,680 influenced by by all hammer and all and the old school 594 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:51,680 miniatures. But we are like making something 595 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:58,760 different. And I hope I expect to lunch on 596 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:07,920 April or May the 1st month and every month is going to be like 597 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,760 an encounter in an adventure. Like the monsters and monsters 598 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,080 and terrain and characters like very, very small. 599 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,560 We're very small because we don't have like reasons to make 600 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:26,520 like units and armies. And we're going to we're going 601 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:33,200 to focus on giving every miniature like character and we 602 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:39,800 make it every very little, not not many miniatures, but every 603 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,760 miniature has to have like interest. 604 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,600 So that that's going to be our focus. 605 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:52,200 And while we do that, I will personally do some releases for 606 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,360 old school al hammers, Al hammers, old school stuff. 607 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:03,360 But I don't have plans for anything, for anything concrete 608 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,120 special. Maybe what I feel I'm, I'm going 609 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,800 to I'm going to try to make it more like a hobby. 610 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:12,640 So it's if I feel to do some works, I'll do some works. 611 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,720 I feel to do some elves. I do some elves but not not 612 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:22,240 following a strategy. Just making something to to feel 613 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:25,360 that hobby and to enjoy the hobby by myself. 614 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,720 Obviously you got to make things that sell too that are appealing 615 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:30,960 to people in a in a broader market. 616 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,280 Sure. Yeah, Yeah, that's something 617 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:38,920 that I've. I made that mistake several 618 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,760 times. The last two Kickstarters we 619 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:51,360 made were not very successful. We did like the human warriors 620 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:56,480 from the future were all like the the girls like were a woman 621 00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,680 like Amazon. We call it space Amazons and you 622 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,200 know, many people liked it a lot, but it was not very 623 00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:11,640 successful. And the one before we made like 624 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,040 a space frogs. We didn't have a lot of people 625 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,760 buying it. Right, OK, but. 626 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,520 You know, there were there were praise that I really enjoy doing 627 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,880 and I wanted to do that for a long time. 628 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:31,840 So maybe if if I have done some dwarfs that I, I love dwarfs was 629 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,280 my favorite. But if I have done some dwarfs, 630 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,840 it would be it would have been a much more successful project. 631 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,240 But yeah, sometimes you have to do what you feel. 632 00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:49,880 And I mean, I think that there there are people that are really 633 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,280 happy that I did that. I mean, maybe there were not 634 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,280 many, but they are. I think they're very happy. 635 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,560 They're very happy. Well, I, I think Maxi did a 636 00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,480 great job on the painting of them, Yeah. 637 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,120 And the, the banners and the shield designs are very nice. 638 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,200 So I think collectively, and I think that's for all the armies 639 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,800 that you guys have designed and Maxi's painted, they've been 640 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,960 very nice. And I in fact, I saw one of the 641 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,760 guys for the Wyomer Renaissance group in Denmark, he has a lot 642 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,920 of your ogres in his Ogre. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 643 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,440 They look great, Yeah, they fit right in. 644 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:25,720 You know, with the old Perry stuff. 645 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:26,960 Roon. Roon. 646 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:28,600 Maybe Roon? Yeah, Roon. 647 00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:33,800 Yeah, that's right. It's one of my oldest clients. 648 00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:36,080 Oh, good. Excellent. 649 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,640 Yeah, and we share the same last name. 650 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,000 Oh, OK, there you go. Yeah, yeah. 651 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,200 Because my last name here in Spain is something very strange. 652 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:52,000 I mean, nobody has it. So it's very surprising to me to 653 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,000 receive an order from someone that is has my my last name. 654 00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:58,640 It's like, Oh no, I mean, it's a very common name in Denmark. 655 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:03,200 But for me it's something shocking to see someone that is 656 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,720 has your last name. So because no, I don't know. 657 00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:07,960 I know no one with that here in Spain. 658 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,480 Wow, there you go. Yeah, I mean the others, I think 659 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:18,640 that was my my first, the big Kickstarter, well, big 660 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,280 relatively. I'll I will try to balance 661 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:26,440 things. But because we're fucking all we 662 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,400 are going to focus all our most of our efforts on the Patreon. 663 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:36,200 I'm, I will try to do things that I know that I, I want to 664 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,680 do. If you want to do something, if 665 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,200 you are really enjoying it, it's going to be a better thing that 666 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,760 if you are forced to do something, I mean, if you do it 667 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,920 with joy, the result is going to be something much more 668 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,600 interesting. I mean, the last thing I did was 669 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:55,560 just for joy was like an evil warrior on a manticore. 670 00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:01,680 And it is just like a month ago and I enjoyed a lot making the 671 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,440 miniature because that was something I wanted to do for for 672 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,440 a long time. And I think that's going to work 673 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:14,920 well. But I mean, it's easy to to 674 00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:21,760 start a project, thinking about selling and in the middle of the 675 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:26,520 process, like get lost and start doing things because these 676 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:34,040 projects and I think started, it takes a long time to to to 677 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,200 prepare. And you're in that process maybe 678 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,280 months. Maybe you start with some energy 679 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,360 or interest. And then at some point you're 680 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,400 only thinking on, but I need to make this unit and I need to 681 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:52,520 make something that that it's, I mean, I need to make some heavy 682 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,840 unit and I have to make like fast unit. 683 00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:01,400 And at that point, you're thinking of practical things and 684 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:06,640 not of doing joyful things. I don't know if I'm trying, if 685 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,160 I'm expressing myself. So it's easy to get lost. 686 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:15,320 And I, I want to focus only on things that I really, when 687 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,680 you're, when you're in that mood of making something that you 688 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:20,320 have to make it, you just make it. 689 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,080 You, you check it's good. I mean, it's, I mean, I, 690 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,400 everything I release, I have to check that it's well done. 691 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:33,040 I make, if I have to scrap something from zero and throw it 692 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,160 away, I do it. I don't have any problem with 693 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,240 that. And I do it a lot. 694 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,040 Sometimes we have to restart from the from zero because it 695 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:46,080 doesn't work. I mean, I, I have, I make sure 696 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,280 that the, the, the thing that I release is good. 697 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:56,760 It has a, a certain quality of the sculpture of movement of I 698 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,600 mean, it's, it's interesting, but it's not the same. 699 00:45:59,960 --> 00:46:04,320 If you are really, if it's something that you have to do 700 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,840 that is something that you really want to do, I would you 701 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,120 really enjoy to do. For example, making the ogres, 702 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,240 Each one of them is different and I enjoy them. 703 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:18,280 I enjoy each one of them because I didn't have any timeline. 704 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,600 I just have an idea. I have some influence from 705 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:28,520 drawing I've seen or painting or an idea or a movie or whatever, 706 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,720 and I want to make it into the that into that miniature. 707 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:38,280 I mean it it when you see the miniatures, the ogres are very 708 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:43,080 successful because people can sense that concerns like that 709 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:48,680 you have invest an extra time, an extra care and it's not just 710 00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,600 good. It's it has the the love 711 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:57,360 component in it. You start to explain, but I 712 00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:03,440 think, I think that's the way. So, yeah, I the all the augers 713 00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,960 are done with a lot of care and a lot of of love. 714 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:13,920 And, and the, the frogmen, the first ones were done with a lot 715 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,400 of care. But, and then we decided that, 716 00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,840 yeah, but if we, we are the only ones making this frogmen, this, 717 00:47:21,720 --> 00:47:26,400 if someone wants an army of this, we have to offer them more 718 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,640 units because then if not, they are going to to be like 719 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,920 stranded. They're going to have one unit 720 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,280 and they, they cannot use it. So we have to make more units. 721 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:41,640 And then you enter it like in a cycle of, OK, what do we need? 722 00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,320 We need a heavy, we have a close combat unit, we need a heavy 723 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,360 unit. And it's not so fun. 724 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:53,240 And the result, even if it's good, is not going to be the 725 00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:56,200 same. That's fine. 726 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,720 That's why I think so. From now on I'm just doing 727 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,200 whatever I please. Yeah, good. 728 00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:03,920 That's what you should do, mate. Absolutely. 729 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,040 Yeah. You know. 730 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,120 I guess it's the same with painting. 731 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,960 I mean, when you paint something that you really enjoy, you're 732 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,840 going to make like an extra effort. 733 00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:19,680 That's why I'm, I'm very, I'm very thankful to Maxi because he 734 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:26,600 paints everything and he makes everything like top quality and 735 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:33,880 he doesn't like, I mean, he commits to a certain level. 736 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,120 And I know he was really tired of painting frogs because I sent 737 00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:42,280 him like 200 frogs to paint and he was fed up with painting 738 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,480 frogs. But he is still made them really 739 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:51,040 good till the last one. But I mean, The thing is the 740 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,760 same with painting. When you paint something that 741 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,880 really, really interesting, you're going to, I'm going to 742 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,200 add a shadow here. It's not necessary, but it's 743 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,440 going to make it a little bit better. 744 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,880 And I buy, I don't care because I don't care this extra time 745 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,440 because I, I, I'm enjoying it a lot. 746 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,000 I, I just, I don't want to, to finish it and send it. 747 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,080 I, I want to work on this. This makes me happy. 748 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:20,680 But when you have to paint like 2000 points of escaping, I 749 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,920 already did. I mean, it's it's just about 750 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,320 your your mind is just paint. It's OK. 751 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,080 Yeah, it's OK. Another one and you just want to 752 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,960 finish. So that's the two different 753 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,080 attitudes. And I want my life to be filled 754 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,680 with the first attitude that more than the second attitude. 755 00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,640 Yeah, no, I understand you've got an established company with 756 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,360 a big range. Now I'm just looking through the 757 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,880 the list here. You've got dark warriors which 758 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:50,400 like basically chaos ogres, dwarves, orcs, undead, and then 759 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,000 you've got some Shields and scenery to accompany that. 760 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,120 And for the space fantasy range, you've got space amazons, 761 00:49:56,520 --> 00:50:00,400 frogmen, space denizens, space Ogus and space dwarves. 762 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:05,160 So you you're sort of covering a lot of different different 763 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,520 armies or genres there that people can now access. 764 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:09,800 And it's just going to grow from there. 765 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,400 So I hope it's going to be really successful for you, mate, 766 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,400 for the next Kickstarter with your kind of role play 767 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,000 adventurer type theme you got there. 768 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:22,440 And we'll keep an eye on that and see how it goes. 769 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,320 And I think maybe that will be pretty, pretty appealing to a 770 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,720 lot of people because a lot of people like doing or like 771 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:34,800 collecting and painting individual type character models 772 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,640 for their role play adventures or skirmish games and that kind 773 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,240 of thing. Yeah, I think that's going to I 774 00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:44,360 mean we've, we've done a lot of work in advance. 775 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,200 We have several months already. Sculpt. 776 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,280 I'm very, I'm very happy with them. 777 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,560 I don't know if I should say that, but yeah, I really like 778 00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:57,320 them. And we've we've worked a lot. 779 00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:02,320 We've made many, many hours into this many, many corrections. 780 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,640 It's been a very, very intense work. 781 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,960 And I think it's going to, I think it's at least I'm going to 782 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,800 be happy with the Versal. I don't know if it's going to be 783 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,160 a success or not, but I'm going to be happy with. 784 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,240 Well, that's great. Well, I wish you all the very 785 00:51:19,240 --> 00:51:22,200 best and thank you very much for coming on to talk to me today, 786 00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:23,760 Auntie. And you for having me. 787 00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:25,960 Yeah, no. And thank you very much for 788 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,680 sending me some prize support for our upcoming one of the 789 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,800 Renaissance Day games Day. So that should be in June, I 790 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,160 think. So I know the guys will be 791 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:38,880 really excited about that because they've got something to 792 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,800 to to win for and they can select something out of that 793 00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,600 wonderful batch of miniatures you've got there. 794 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:45,840 So you have a big community of people there. 795 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:50,600 Well, I mean, you know, it's, it's a it's a stable, small but 796 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,080 stable community. So we've got to make maybe about 797 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:58,280 on a really good day we might have 11:50, but average probably 798 00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,560 eight people who will come to play. 799 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,160 So that's not too bad. I mean, you know, I'm pretty 800 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,680 happy with that for being Japan where we are, you know, so. 801 00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,880 I mean Japanese make a land of hobbies but and I don't I don't 802 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,240 know many people or many things coming from Japan from I think 803 00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:19,200 it's more like a western hobby. Well, I, I thought so too, but I 804 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:23,600 think you'd be very, very surprised Auntie, because I've 805 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:30,040 seen collections of like Citadel DND miniatures in people's boxes 806 00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:34,320 and stuff like that. They've it, it goes back to, it 807 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,040 actually goes back to like 5th edition Warhammer when they 808 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,360 translated into Japanese and they opened up stores in Asia. 809 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,880 So it, it, they sort of started there. 810 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,400 And up on my wall is a is a box set of Milton Bradley Battle 811 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,760 Masters in Japanese. So it. 812 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:53,200 Goes back down to that. So it, yeah, it has extended way 813 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:54,920 back. And then even I've met students 814 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,920 who played Advanced Dungeons and Dragon Dragons Second Edition, 815 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,360 and they translated the rules so that it could play within their 816 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,880 Japanese playgroup at university and everything like that. 817 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,640 So there is a very small subculture of gamers here, but 818 00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,880 it's not as nowhere near as prevalent as it is in Europe and 819 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,000 America and and the UK and even Australia. 820 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,280 I have lots of customers from Australia. 821 00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,200 Australia is like one of the biggest, yeah. 822 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,600 Go to the Aussies. Oy, oy, oy, yeah. 823 00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,080 It's surprising. Yeah. 824 00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,080 Yeah. Great. 825 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,160 Much more than any other countries. 826 00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:31,080 Yeah. Really. 827 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,280 Yeah. Yeah, I had. 828 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:34,080 Yeah. Yeah. 829 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:39,880 Especially for fantasy things. Fantasy worked very well in 830 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,840 Australia. Well, that's good to hear. 831 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,760 Nice, mate. OK, that's wonderful. 832 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,320 Well, thank you so much again, and I wish you all the best with 833 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,920 you and the team behind Red Red Bad Games. 834 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,920 And yeah, like I said, I hope the next Kickstarter is 835 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,480 successful and that the company keeps going and turning over 836 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,680 some great projects and you keep selling stuff and keep doing 837 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:03,080 what you love doing, mate. All right. 838 00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,400 Thank you so much for having me, it's been a pleasure and I hope 839 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,520 to see you. I have to see you this summer in 840 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,080 Nottingham and we have a drink together or something. 841 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,080 Absolutely. Yeah, You can get Leave Me a 842 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,440 space at the bar. I'll be there. 843 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,200 Yeah. Yeah, well, if you if you're 844 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,480 there, we're going to, oh, we're going to be. 845 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,680 I'll be drinking more than gaming, Yeah, no doubt, yeah. 846 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,240 You know, I'm done. Thank you so much. 847 00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:33,560 OK, Auntie. Thanks mate. 848 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:35,040 Take care. Thank you very much. 849 00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:36,440 Have a good night. Thank you very much. 850 00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:37,840 OK, Well have a good day. 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