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episode. Hello, Michael.
Hello. Thanks very much for coming on
today. I'm just trying to adjust the
volume here. And can you hear me?
Yeah, I can hear you perfectly made, okay.
All right. We're rocking home.
And then the time to come and talk to us.
It straight into it. I'm gonna give you the FloorMate
so you can tell us all about your origin story.
How you actually got into this crazy hobby.
Okay, well I'm going to a few different things because I'm
pretty have a wide range of board gaming and miniature
gaming, and ccgs, and all that stuff tastes video games too.
So where do I start? I think.
So, first of all, I'm 46 right now.
So when I was a little boy, I remember always having board
games and for my birthday. And for Christmas.
And those special times I'd always ask for 44 games, didn't
really ask for much else, so I always had a closet filled with
them. My first Fantasy game thinking
back is probably a game called crossbows and catapults.
I don't know if you've ever heard about yes.
Yeah, it was fantastic. We had my my parents in their
basement that we had what's called a four-level split house.
So in the very This meant, they had a big ping-pong table or
table tennis table, and it was a custom one that my dad made.
And it was, it was massive. It was like four by six, maybe
six by eight. I can't remember how big it was,
but we would take the net off and make sure it was joined
together and we would have these massive battles of crossbows and
catapults and and Carolyn rolls up and all that stuff.
So that was probably my very first Fantasy game but I wasn't
really really a fantasy or sci-fi guy at all.
Generally, I got a Cleco Vision. I think it back in. 81, 82 83.
Whenever ColecoVision came out and with that we I guess I
played a lot of venture and that was probably the only kind of
fantasy Style game at that point fast forward to probably about
grade 5. I was sitting in a classroom and
one of my friends, I think it was great five.
I might have my dates all all mixed up because it's so long
ago, but one of my friends sitting behind me during during
his kind of break was reading one of the Dragon, It's novels,
I can't remember which ones they are but and pretty sure it was
the dragon. That's not the Forgotten Realms
and he lent me those books and I read them and I thought they
were fantastic and I didn't really follow up with that at
all. I didn't get into D and D at or
anything until probably around grade 7.
And then a friend, his name is Jeff and he introduced.
Well, he, we were in the same class and one day, he invited me
over to his house for lunch because we live pretty close to
the school. All that we were going to.
And so we walked over to his house for lunch, and he had his
Commodore 64 and on it was a Bard's Tale.
So we started playing that game on the Commodore 64, and that
led into an invite to come play, Dungeons & Dragons.
I think my very first Dungeons and Dragons game may have been
in a school library, just him and me, just one offing it over
lunch break. So then I was kind of got hooked
in the game. He introduced me to access and
allies and and, and a few other games like that.
So at that point grade 7, I was firmly firmly entrenched into
into fantasy. Where do we go next?
So, from there, so I played did a lot of role-playing and stuff.
For the next few years, we played a lot of old Avalon Hill
games like Titan and stuff like that as well.
When My friend, Jeff had always told me that he enjoyed
something. He really enjoyed was He would
go to when he was younger. He went to this gaming club and
he always was talking about this gaming club that he went to and
how much funny hat. So when I graduated high school,
I always had this in the bathroom line that I was.
Well, I'd always wanted to start a gaming store, like lot of us
probably did at that point, I didn't really follow through.
I want to tell us would be an engineer, but that, that I
switched gears and college. But so we played tons of tons of
board games. And when I got my license, when
I was 16, so I'm from Southern Alberta.
And I was originally from a place called Medicine Hat, which
is about two and a half hours from Calgary Alberta.
I'm sure most of you have heard of Calgary.
So I was really close to Calgary.
When I got my license to drive a bunch of us, would go up for the
weekend and we go to this big massive store in Calgary and is
called the Sentry box. And at that point it was it was
just tiny because it had an expanded to its to the store.
It is today. But when we were there, I kind
of so this would have been about 87. 86 88 somewhere in those
that time period. We were looking at the board
games section and I think my friend had purchased Cosmic
Encounter and then we had also purchased, he purchased
tightened and not, so you're not tighten that Talisman.
And so then every kind of Friday we started having these games
have Talisman and would get, you know, six of our friends
together and point we're probably drinking beer and and
playing tell. So that was kind of my first
introduction to Games Workshop itself could have been not.
So we continue to roleplay and do all that stuff and 1991 out.
I played tennis and I was playing tennis Summer Games in
Alberta and we're in this little town and it was pouring rain the
whole weekend. So I didn't get to all the
matches were cancelled, so I decided.
Hey, I'm going to go to the local hobby store and that day
at that hobby store, Ashley picked up.
I saw this really cool game on the shelf and it was I don't
remember the price but But I was with my ex my girlfriend at the
time and she became my ex-wife, but I bought it about blood--
bull that that weekend and also a game called minion Hunter and
which is kind of an obscure title.
But I remember being in, kind of the hotel room and I'm trying to
read the rules of blood bullet. Just being like that.
Like a kid in a candy shop. I was, I was pretty enthused
about blood wall. So got home and it started
getting all my plate, all my friends in a playful and stuff.
Was the second edition. So, you know, you play for three
hours and basically everybody be lying on the ground in the
Centre of the pitch and that would pretty much the whole
game. So, yeah, so we got into blood
pool at that point, and then I graduated high school and kind
of didn't really do it too much gaming, until about nineteen
ninety-one ninety-two. And that point I had graduated,
I was kind of going to college and 92 and I decided to follow
up on my, my idea of starting a game club.
So I started checking out books. Locations and seeing how much it
costs for the, you know, to rent facilities and all that stuff.
So, I put out a feeler, we met at a public library.
There's about 15 of us. The start, we started this game
club and my idea was that we'd play games like Titan and blood
bowl. And before I had started, this
one guy reached out to me and he was a chat from the United
Kingdom. His name was Dennis and he said,
well, you play you play war hammer and or do you play epic
Space Marine and I'm like, I don't really know what you're
talking about, so we can invite me over to his house and that
first time I had met Dennis him. And another guy, I can't
remember the guys name because he disappeared, he was a
soldier. Basically in Medicine Hat, where
we where I lived a bunch of the British soldiers, come every
year to train, dude, some dry land War training, I guess.
And I in a place called set field, it's one of our army
bases. And so there was always He's
coming in and they're always kind of pawning off their games
that they brought over. So it was kind of a kind of a
cool thing. But Dennis had all this epic
space rain stuff and all this Warhammer fantasy battle stuff
and and basically that was it. I was after I got that.
I remember getting the first my first white dwarf copy probably
April 92 my guess I think it had the white cover with but the
Empire Army book on it if I recall correctly and I was hope
that that way for sure. So Sir playing where Hammer with
my friend, Dennis. And then I started this gaming
Club while I didn't start it right away.
I probably started around 93 94 and I was going to play all
these games, you know, all these fun games.
But in 1994 magic came out and when magic came out is funny
because I remember going to this game convention in Calgary who
was called calc aunt and my friend Jeff and I were going to
play, you know, we're gonna play tight and gonna play black bowl
and all these other scheduled maybe BattleTech and all these
Other schedule games and everything will schedule game
almost on the roster was cancelled.
And everybody everywhere was pretty much playing Magic the
Gathering and we shut our shoulders and we said, yeah,
we're not going to play this, you know, we're just going to
play the label. So we did that and then kind of
regretted it because I think that was probably Veda cards at
that point or unlimited for sure that were available.
So I started my club and then Dennis like, as well.
As we started, Dennis came out, we played a little bit.
Hammer. But as magic kind of grew and
grew in our local area, you know, all of a sudden we were
getting 100, people at the gaming club and basically was
how it worked is every Tuesday night.
People would come. We managed to secure this
facility at the local Red Cross. And the deal for the, for the
club was I would pay them $10 a month Canadian, which is absurd
when you think about it, they would set up all these tables
and chairs in a large kind of banquet room and we could Come
in as long as we'd kind of tidied up, we didn't have to put
away the chairs or the tables or anything.
They took care of everything. So $10 a month and my decision
was okay, so everybody who comes has to pay a dollar, and once we
have fifty dollars in the pool will make a draw, but you have
to use that money to buy some sort of game.
And then when Word of Mouth started, getting that we had all
this, you know, this, this great facility for gaming ever having
anywhere from 50 to 120 people, come on a Tuesday night, it was
it just kind of ballooned and, and it wasn't like, it wasn't
the, I didn't even make it a non-profit agent, but I just, I
just made an Excel spreadsheet, or probably wasn't excelled at
gun and just started tracking, all the money.
So, about a year in, we had all this, all these funds.
They actually transferred us to our bait, their basement and as
we're in the basement, and The the room is like double the size
as before and Dennis kind of get got mad at me because all these
magic people would be taking up all the space and we have no
place to put a Warhammer anymore.
So who's he was kind of? So as we got my to the basement
then we can start playing where Hammer again, but I remember
once going to to the store in Calgary, there was a gaming
store, love, local gaming store, as well.
But we went there and I think I had like 1,200 dollars to spend
and we bought copies of Epic space.
In of Warhammer fantasy, you know, other board games, we were
just basically picking stuff off the shelves and one Saturday, we
ran a bingo tournament. Like it was like two dollars for
your bingo card and the winner would get like a copy of Epic
Space Marine. It was, it was just a Glory
Days. Yeah, that's kind of, that's
kind of my origin and to the snapping it just ballooned from
there since 1997. I moved to a different Province,
the province. It's next door to be with again,
my girlfriend at the time, who became my wife and and then
first thing I do, when I got to a place called The Regina
Saskatchewan soon as I got there I you know, the first thing I
did was look for a gaming store and and then that whole new
group of people started playing Warhammer started playing Magic.
And at that point is probably fifth edition wouldn't
transition to fifth? What I met Dennis and played.
My first game of fantasy, it was third, I think we played two
games, two, maybe, three games. Third Edition.
But then the box that came out and we launched into the fourth
right away after that. And I've spoke for a long time
there so sorry. Keep going listening to your
story, man. That's great.
So now, they need time. Like, I met my wife.
I know you threw your channel. You have any Michael Becker
Channel on YouTube? Yeah, I think I think the first
time I saw one of your video is was during the lockdown when
your Making those fourth edition Battle reports with your son.
And when thank you, were the first person to ever make a
video battle port on 4th edition fantasy.
So I was so surprised and so overwhelmed to see someone
actually making these videos that I've been following you
ever since, and then the, and, you know, all the, all the
battle course, that came after that, like this little mini
campaign you started, would you like to talk about what you've
been doing on the channel yourself, or those videos and
those games Earth. So originally when I started my
YouTube channel, I had no idea what to name it, but I decided
I'd always decided I wanted a girl GoPro and I wanted to
fiddle around with that. So I bought a GoPro Hero 7.
I don't know if I can totally recommend that camera.
It's the battery overheats, unfortunately, so it can cause
problems. But at that point I have a lot
of hobbies. So, other than games I like to
play lots of sports like tennis and now biking and let and
hockey. And And snowboarding.
So, but what we were doing is we were raised on another hobby, I
had as a kid but this was, we used to race.
Something called HO scale slot, cars.
Have you ever heard of this slot car?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So, but my dad had this massive
and again, on our ping-pong table at back when I was growing
up, we would set up this track and it barely fit on that
ping-pong table. It was, it was a said, he got
probably an 78 79. In 77 so but I have friends over
we play Rod hockey and we play slot cars and a couple years,
maybe a year and a half ago I started looking and they've got
all these digital slot cars. So I basically was at a hobby
shop, local hobby shop, probably getting balsa wood for, for some
kind of train project or something.
And there was this Consignment for the slock are set, but it
was 1/32 scale cars. So, it was more like the scale
attrex cars, but it was actually, In a career Grand Slam
cars that. So I was like, okay, I'm going
to take all my board game friends, and and gaming friends,
then I'm going to ask them if they want to join me in this
league for four slot cars. And and all of a sudden I had
about 15 guys and we would get together and we make new tracks
and we'd race these lockers. And that's what I originally
bought my GoPro 4. And that's originally kind of
all the videos were slot cars. And I decided to Branch.
Oh, I'm also the commissioner of our local boy boldly.
And I've been doing that for about seven years, my interest
in blood Bowl, is this funny? It's really excited that it
wanes and then gets really excited.
So, I've been doing that and then I've done, I did some blood
Bowl videos and tried with time lapse options and the videos are
great. But I'm just, I'm learning and
I'm kind of a hack at all this stuff.
So then we started with the covid stuff.
My son and I were like, well we're not going out.
Like, I'd go play games with friends or whatever.
We stopped doing that. So I'm like, look here and why
don't we start playing? We're Hammer fantasy battle and
and we had played in that group. Mind ad was paid call.
Kim Bible and all those other kind of tons of tabletop games
and other their style games and Karen was on board.
My oldest son of got a 72 year old son, he's like, yeah, I
don't really want to do that. So here and I started playing
fourth edition which is kind of I've just got this soft spot for
it to be honest. Now that I've watched some of
your videos, Joshua. Fifth edition.
I kind of Wonder question. My choice was it the right thing
to go to 4th edition? Probably not 5th edition is a
more comprehensive real set like you.
I do like the fourth edition. Now, to accept do better.
The one thing I might change with magic is to just maybe tone
down the magic because we're playing in small point games
and, and basically help how the format evolved of this kind of
mini campaign. And I hope to continue it, but
we're just having computer technical Problems lately with
DaVinci Resolve. I can't get it working on my
laptop so I need a new computer with with this whole kind of
format. Is when was that when did the
sixth edition? Who mowed?
I don't know. Probably 2004.
Yeah, tomorrow morning. So I'd like I was playing a lot
of board games like, you know, starting with Settlers of Catan
and just going through the gamut and, and I'm a game collector.
So so I'm kind of dabbling in Magic.
I'm dabbling in In Epic. And my didn't really play epic
for a long time. But dabbling in blood Bowl,
another miniature games and dabbling in lots of board games.
So those are kind of kind of going back and forth through
those Hobbies. When I when I moved to Regina
here shortly after I had met, you know, a new group of people,
I actually reform my gaming Club here and we would meet at a
German club in the basement. We play board games, but around
2008 2009. I decided that I wanted to, I
was missing where a fantasy and I wanted to play it again so I
set up a club here and started playing we started playing I
think it was 6th edition so I made up this huge campaign
system and basically was taking stuff from neck, reminder Bible
and other kind of campaigns and wrote up the system, so that
somebody with a 500-point army, could play a game against the
1500 Point Army and hopefully have a competitive battle.
And you kind of use the blood bowl and and again the, you
know, maybe stuff from mighty Empires and kind of every source
that the generals compendium from other editions.
So I basically just pulled in every Source I had and started
making this this massive campaign being start with 500
points. Those base points would stay the
same and then you'd also role for some territories and you'd
have territories kind of like like neck remind of first
edition maybe the most recent Edition as well you have some
territories, they Would bolster your forces and then when two
people played against each other, they would roll for a new
territory and they both have to answer your territory and that's
just going back to original magic for me, because I really
like the concept of Auntie. So yeah, you did.
And then the winner would get would get to pick whichever
territory they wanted, or they could keep their own, and then
the loser was supposed to get the other one.
So that's kind of the format we're going to use but it was,
It was kind of tweaked for sixth edition and I kind of have to go
back and revise it for four. Fifth edition and I haven't
quite done that. But I have tons of templates
like all the monsters, going back to even going back to some
of the Third Edition monsters. I like really being inclusive
when I made this league and I wanted to have as many people
filled as many different types of troops from all the ranges of
where Hammer at that point. So so yeah, if you want to put a
dragon in your skaven army, you know, if you got the right
territory, you can do so. So it's interesting, so glad
that you made this video. But no one's really representing
these kind of Arrow of games on YouTube, which is really quite
strange. Because so many people like
yourself, like I'm the same age as you it.
So many of us came up through through Games.
Workshop at that time, playing Harry, he requests or board
games, and getting to the games which are hobby.
So, it's really quite strange that no one's actually picked up
on that and then started playing games on YouTube or on blogs or
something. Nothing, isn't that very little
content out there? I was on Facebook, of course.
We know there's some groups out there.
Now, that's sort of dedicated towards that kind of hobby, but
I think there's a bit of a Resurgence in the last six
months or so and more and more people sort of finding out about
these kind of groups and these kind of videos and sort of
latching on and getting to play these old games.
Again, you find it so funny that as well in your area as well.
Well, see, I haven't tried to actively recruit I met.
So I have dabbled. When, of course, when the old
world kind of Crashed and burned.
I didn't really play a lot of 7th edition.
I think I played maybe one or two games, the 7th and I had not
ever play Dave, even though I kind of can continue to collect,
you know, the Army books and stuff like that.
Just as a fact, I have every edition of Warhammer from first
through eighth and a fantasy. I have a lot of 40K stuff but
it's funny. I didn't really ever get into
40K. I always liked that big way
better than 40 case, but yeah, I totally, With you like these.
Like it was anti-facebook. I used to have a Facebook
account under my own name and then yeah I just said just close
that off and then decided Well, you know what, I kind of miss,
you know, some of the groups and some of the things that are
going on at Facebook and seeing what's going on in local scene.
So, I kind of created this ridiculous name and rejoined
Facebook, kind of no, no, no. And I really enjoy these, you
know, the old Hammer group, the middle Hammer group, Another
Hero, Hammer groups. They're just, they're great.
I love looking at him and saying, what everybody's doing
and painting, let's not get into paint.
I think train. I'm not prolific.
I don't make a lot of train actually, but I just, I super
enjoy it if I sit down and like, okay, I want to make a board
today, you know, A to B 2 foot board.
You know, I'll go and do it. And if done that for Lord of the
Rings that done lots of big boards for blood blow and stuff.
And I love making train but painting models.
I don't know if I'm lazy, I don't know if I'm I think what
it really boils down to is I loathe painting and it's not
like I'm a terrible painter but I think my standards for
painting or so high and I'm just not willing to put the time and
effort into painting water to get it there.
I don't pay. A lot of my own figures but I
like using painted figures and nicely painted figures.
So that part of the Hobbies sometimes expensive.
There's a figure painter. I have he's, I have a lot of
guys that paint models for me off and on, as I have spare
cash. But there's this one painter, I
have and he lives in the United Kingdom and he sent me a note
the other day, which is kind of funny.
His actual name, is it okay for me to drop names and Catering?
So he's he goes by exhales painting in his name's James
brood. And and I think it was 11 years
ago, I first reached out to him and said I was kind of looking
for people to paint. Maybe a unit of I think was a
squad of blood Bowl to be honest.
My first kind of, I wanted some commissions and nice painters
and James reached out to me and I think he's been painting
models off and on on my Empire Army and blood pooling the other
things through 11 or 12 years now.
So it's really cool. The only problem is Adding
anything from Canada, the United Kingdom, right now is its, I
don't know what the cost of postage is just gone through.
Like a, I can sympathize I like probably preaching to the choir
because you're I don't know what the prices are in Japan, but I
know you're from Australia and Lord, I had, I can't even
imagine what the price is. There are compared to here, but
yeah, it was crazy. My private part postage prices
in Australia, crazy. Japan's really reasonable.
Oh well, I think, yeah, really reasonable.
Yeah. I was really quite surprised how
cheap it is actually to post up out of here.
So so yeah, I don't paint a lot of my models that actually, you
know, I was sitting on when kings of War launched when it
was added almost 10 years ago to, I kind of bought in pretty
heavy on the kickstarter. And I had this that the undead
Army set. And so, I don't know, like, a
couple months ago. I finally took that box out of
storage. Shin and built up, like not all
of them. But most of these zombies and
Google's and skeletons and I have to say I painted a 25 unit
of zombies, you know, I did a pretty quickly too and they
don't look terrible. So that was kind of my last
painting for a to be honest. So yeah, that's good.
At least you got this guy sort of fully employed now in
England. So it's going to be very happy
about that incorrectly. Which I think is just
hammering out and my son and I watched you paint the chaos Tour
ball Center the other day and all that stuff.
So, yeah, your paintings, great, thanks.
This is really fantastic stuff out there, especially on the
hero have a group so if people haven't or don't know anything
about it and there is a group dedicated that Me Myself and
Michael. And many other people are part
of that has some really fantastic stuff every day, I
feel every day. Something new is coming up there
and, and more, and more people are joining the group and
showing off their Collections. And that sort of, that sort of
things, it's really quite encouraging to see that.
Yeah, it's awesome to see people.
I just want to play fifth edition and I watched your games
on the Warhammer Renaissance as well.
You know, that game and and some of your other games and and yeah
just just enjoying all the content.
And you know, if people have a, you know, good cellphone or not
even and and want to start doing YouTube videos, go for it.
You know. Yeah I love that stuff.
I think all of us. Yeah well I just keep saying to
people. I'm just using my iPhone.
It's an idea Nate. I'm the most unfit.
Unsophisticated guy with technology.
You know, I've said that many times, I don't know anything
about it. It's surprising that everything
sort of worked so far. Nothing sort of broken down to
this point. But yeah, I'm sort of relying on
the kind of very Meek Tech that I've got here.
So yeah, like anybody can do it. I just bought like a ten-dollar
stand. That's like a flexible sort of
camera stand from Amazon and it's got a camera, you know, the
internet, you know, your sort of all set really, and you can just
sort of do Anything you like no I think and I think social media
nowadays facilitates for people who want to do live streaming
I'm just started doing live streaming ever done it before
and it sort of has a she sort of opened up a new world for me in
that regard. And that I can do a lot more
stuff for what longer less editing time, I can actually
play games here, remotely now in my room where I could never have
thought of doing that years and years ago.
So, yeah, I mean, you know, hopefully, it's going to inspire
other people like yourself too. Michael that, you know, they're
going to get their act together and think.
Okay, well guys, we can do something like this.
We can do something in our own area and, you know, producing
content for other people. So they get them inspired and we
sort of get this sort of Rolling Along slowly but surely and
then, you know, we're sort of building a big Community out
there. Yeah, it's really good.
Spewing, still scares me. I don't know how I do it.
The problem is, is my house is man, I have so much game stuff
and stuff. When I was married, I had an
ounce of monster house and now I have a house.
So, third of this size and I don't have a dedicated table in
my basement to, you know, to dedicates a game.
So, it's our kitchen table. So we have to do a log
everything upstairs, set it up, and it's a chore but it's been
fun for sure. And I hope to 22.
So currently we have I think six RVs in play.
I'm hoping to get it to nine soon, so, As soon as I get my
technology issues sorted will start having out some games
again. And I know some of my friends
are interested in maybe joining because they see you know they
can always want to play. You know that battle for mug,
Throne passed the came in the fourth edition starter.
I think it was written by the element.
We've went through that. But honestly, I've played that
scenario. Probably, I don't know, probably
10 times in my life, at least I've played it with fourth
edition, fifth edition sixth edition rules.
Cause I didn't play seventh but I played it with even Kings of
War rules. Like, I love that scenario and
it's a low model, count infrared for a convention, you know, to
set up a quick game of Warhammer.
It's perfect. It's, it's the perfect game I
think in the perfect scenario and, and I just love that
scenario of yours on your channel.
Yeah, I don't think from memory though, I never played it, so
should you? Mushroom, maybe we can do it
together. Remote play here.
If you want to, as I was talking to you before about doing a
local Remote Play Session, maybe we can do it here and I've got
the oven gloves. I just need the High Elves.
At some point. They went to get them paint up.
We should do it. Together metal be awesome?
Yeah, for sure. So, I've got a question for you.
I love board games, I've collected board games my whole
life and and I do, you do play board games, trust fund.
And if you do what favorite, well, that's a good question,
actually, because, yeah, I actually got into this hobby
through a board game, that was her request and proper, you
know, about that most famous fantasy Dungeon Crawl ball.
Games are there is in history, I think.
But that sort of got me, that was like, the gateway drug for
me, into the whole gangs were shopping, painting minutes.
Is and fantasy gaming. So I actually just recently
acquired that know about a year and a half ago from a guy here,
locally. Yeah, so yeah.
I was very, very happy to get that back again.
So that's probably my all-time favorite game.
And I think S 2. That would be Advanced he
requests. Okay.
I've had the privilege of now playing twice in the last two
weeks. I'm going to play again,
tomorrow. Nice.
Cuz I bought that game. I still remember I still vividly
remember walking into this the game store this is when it was
first released. They had like a massive pile of
it right in the middle of the store, like a huge stack of them
and I grabbed one of those bought.
It took it home and the guys that I was gaming with their
time, just weren't interested in it.
I just never played it. And I just hang, I hang on, hang
on to it for like, you know, many many years later and just
sort of dreamed of playing the game.
Never got a chance. Then I started collecting Tingly
all the metal scape and models for the scenario for that shadow
down bullet. Right then painting, those are
dreaming about playing at them. Got a couple guys, to calm them
basically into playing with me. We played for a couple of
sessions and then we didn't least then adjust the band of
the whole whole thing and we just didn't get back together
again, so I'm finally playing it after all these years with these
two guys or three guys. Now some really enjoying
absolutely love that game. I think.
Yeah. Think so I think dungeon crawls
are probably my favorite. I've still got tell us one
second edition here. Yeah that's probably worth an
absolute Fortune out on eBay. If you have to do the plant and
I think that's still holds holds up for sure.
So I don't know if you got that one or not which ones are the
dragon expansion for second edition, was the phone with
dodging that they launched. And I don't think many people
own that coffee. So yes.
Gin and I've got the Timescape one like the TSR dungeon.
You mean Yeah. Oh no, dungeon for Talisman
second edition. Yeah, for sure times.
We've been bending. Yeah, this is the city.
And yeah, my favorite game is probably magically.
Get another intern has probably going to make a lot of these
your viewers grown, and I think like Ting.
Well, I didn't collect right away.
I got into magic and traditions. So, And over the years, I kind
of went back and try to build some nuts.
So I have a little bit Alpha cards a little bit of beta
cards, some unlimited and then have a lot of assets of the
early days that I went back and got.
So now just might be my favorite overall game but my favorite
board game is probably Euphrates and Tigris.
I don't know if you've heard of it.
It's Bi-Rite Market needs. Yeah.
These are very prolific game designer.
Who is originally from Germany? I don't know if you know about
his background that he was, I think he was the head of a
German bank and he always dabbled in board games and he
moved to the UK and I think quit that job and became a full-time
board game designer, and very prolific in his game designs and
that's got to be probably my favorite board game.
It's it came out. I think in 98 I still play it,
whatever I can so but I have I have so many board games judge
luck. I've been sold and purchased.
And when I went through a divorce, I kind of started
buying stuff on eBay, Germany. Like all this, there's a there's
a word for board games called this field.
Ajar, and the torture Spiel pre and probably butchering those
names, but I would follow everything on.
I could on board games and would buy them from Germany.
EV Germany. I didn't say, I don't speak
German, you know, my lunch. He's a translator and kind of do
English and German and both and they'd usually get the gist.
The funny thing is with all these games in Germany and there
was kind of a gaming Renaissance that flipped over to the to
North America and Europe and board games really popular
because of their early German games.
To be honest, around 93 94, 95 with especially when settlers
blew up. And yeah, so I would buy the
games because all these fields are winners, they they're kind
of available in their brick-and-mortar stores and
people buy them. They put them on eBay so I'd get
the game for like 100 back then. And then over I remember it was
always 1342 ship the game. So it's like 13 times more than
just get the game here, but yeah, when I went through the
worst, that's, you know, I didn't I didn't do a lot of wild
things, but I bought a lot of fun.
I'm going to give you a recommendation because I think
you said Your son's three and a half.
Yeah. Yeah.
If you can find a game it's called Monster Factory.
It's by the same person who made, I believe the same person
who made Dominion. I don't know if you heard a
Dominion minions a colored building, you do.
Yeah. Highly recommend that game.
I've introduced, I came to lots of children and probably from
ages 4 through 15 and I guess teams and every single kid likes
that game and if they're not playing it they're taking the
tiles out and making monsters because that's kind of the theme
of the game. So, hot monster Factory is by
Rio Grande games, and I recommend that one for children
or chicken. Cha-cha-cha.
But that's probably when your son gets just a little bit
older. So those would be really good
children's game. I know.
I know the the game develops was listening to the D6, generation
for a long time here. Don't know those names, like Rio
Grande games and what kind of thing.
So, yeah, the, the manufacturers, or the game
designers ourselves, I know sort of familiar with the names.
I've not played it, but I know that, you know, board games in
Japan, he's actually quite popular Hobby.
Probably because of the space restrictions and that kind of
thing in Japan. I think board games defensive,
and, and a lot of a lot of those games actually produced in
Japanese or the translated in Japanese for the Japanese
Market. Sure.
I just haven't had the opportunity of actually going to
any of these big and board games days is Big meetups
unfortunately. But I think the last game The
Last Kickstarter I did that was like really excited about
getting and I finally got it. It was Joan of Arc and okay,
definitely, that that wasn't was that it does that by kill many
or not, or was that b else it? We can't remember those point,
we think it's interesting through my, through my game club
here, so it'd probably be about 11 years ago.
I went on a little camping trip in the summer and The winter
place and it was it's called Fort wolves.
And sorry my son's just in the background he's just rummaging
through food because that's what boys do click Karen.
Okay. Anyways, so so we went to this
place called Fort Walton and basically it was the history of
basically, 1890, 1880s, kind of history in the Canadian once and
I And of we went on a tour and I was kind of fascinated.
So at that time, I was going to going through some problems and,
and when I came home, I had this great at this idea.
And I was going to make this game that was about the real
history of western Canada and North and North kind of
northwards the United States and why I started doing a lot of
research and it was basically the extraction of Sitting Bull
from Canada back to the United States.
So this would have happened after a tester, you know and all
that stuff. And I just became completely
enthralled and in the activities that went on and growing up in
Canada, you know, there's maybe a few paragraphs of all this
history, but it was so important to the country and to our
sovereignty as a nation and all this stuff.
So, I created this game and it's kind of tentatively labeled
whiskey Traders because that's really was the Catalyst of all
this. When the United States, these
Traders from the United States came to Canada, they were
selling Whiskey to the First Nation people, because the to
kind of loosen them up for trading and then they would kind
of swindall these bison hides, which they could ship back down
to the States for immense profits.
So, then something bad happened at this new.
This fort Walsh. We're two of two of the Traders
thought they had First Nation tribe.
It stole some of their horses. They went into the camp and
slaughtered everybody. All this stuff.
So I made this game called whiskey Traders.
It's about the First Nations. But, yeah, I'm getting a game
published, especially if it's kind of a mirror trash game.
It's got kind of elements of blood bowl and Euphrates, and
Tigris, and Robo, rally, and all these kind of things.
He's got a huge component count, and it's very historical.
And the game doesn't pull any punches at all.
It's like, you know, it's got cards of smallpox in this stuff
and, and getting it published as it's hard.
But the reason why I kind of went into that is because Was
this man in my who was from Australia.
He was living in Canada for a little while, and his son was
playing hockey in Australia, so he moved back to Australia and
he told he told, one of the designers he was at, I think, is
it can Con in can find it so they can con and Matt?
Oh man, I can't remember his name Peter.
He's, he's made a whole I can't believe I forgot his name.
Who is he mentioned this and then all of a sudden I Peter
made Francis Drake is one of the games.
I can't remember the name of the food because this is five years
ago already but so Peters looked at my game but he's a doctor
also. So he kind of only publishes
like so I've had it with, it's been in gmts hands and it's just
so hard to get published because, you know, I think
Joshua if I could change my theme over to some kind of
space. Your fantasy isn't funny but it
really, yeah, I don't want to tell this history and I think it
needs to be told that especially in the world today, you know,
because their atrocities that happened, you know, in Canada
and its with the Manifest Destiny, a lot of stuff and it's
a game, you know, if you like two axes and allies, if you
like, you know, those dice rolling games, you probably
really like whiskey Traders. But again, I don't want to kind
of kick start at. I don't think I want to go that
route. But maybe someday.
So it's just it's kind of been sitting on the back burner, I
probably put 2500 hours into the game, to be honest.
And I've played test of the damn thing about 130 times.
I would say, over the years and the games, it's the two and a
half to three hours, maybe to our 23, our game for 4 people.
So it's a lot of a lot of time put into this game.
Yes. Yes, for sure.
That's interesting. Yeah, that's interesting.
So not many people actually do that, don't know if you actually
make games, you know what I mean?
Like it's such a you're going to have some kind of spark or some
kind of inspiration and passion for for making games and then
have to go through all that huge process like you've just gone.
Like, you just explained about that would take a lot of courage
to do that but it was a way to fill the void in this in my life
at that time. So it was it was fantastic
because a good journey. I'm glad I went through it.
I learned a lot. Absolutely.
Yeah. That would be brilliant.
Well, hopefully it will get. You will still get picked up at
some point. You know, don't don't give up
hope on it. Like I said before, you know,
don't you know, it's still there.
It's still a thing is still a creation of yours, so it's still
still viable, it's still up, you know, still an option somewhere,
maybe some kind of maybe if I could because like in Germany,
like you taught before they Germany's, I just massive in the
board games like they just produce anything.
Now they're really the for the German mark.
Second and, and is that there's a publisher called Academy games
that briefly looked at my game as well.
There they do a lot of historical games.
I think they did an underground Railway about the the black
slave trade in the states. It's called Freedom, if I
recall. But and then, you know, any game
with this theme it's really like like a game like bang, which is
a simple card game or dice dice rolling game, you know, that's
kind of fine because Blade and easy, but any game of lots of
components, a heavy theme like Germany's really gone to more of
a Euro style market and you know where you play a game and it
lasts an hour and there's, you know, maybe five to ten pages of
rules. Whiskey Traders is, is a lot
more involved. So it's a tough sell, especially
with the theme because, you know, once you get any any First
Nations kind of for, you know, if you talk about atrocity in a
game, it's kind of like, well, do you know, I would just want
to play a game to have fun? Do I really want to know this
truck so? Yeah.
Yeah, but you're right. Someday had, you know, if the
cards are lines that something bad happened and if not, I'm so
glad I made it home my friends, still time to take a break and
haven't really played in New York last year and a half, but
for a while we're playing it, it often.
And basically, you know, lots of different play testers for the
game and stuff. So, it was good, I've really
enjoyed putting together clubs putting together.
Leagues, kind of Organizing things.
And I get a lot of satisfaction from doing it at school and I
know you mentioned before you like playing blood bowl and
that's something that it's a game that I'm actually really
missed because I haven't played it for such a long time, but
it's one of those really classic board games that I think has
been through the ages through decades, almost that it's had
such a huge following and it's something that I'd want to
really bring back to the channel at some point and actually get
back into it. So Are you currently playing
blood Bowl in your area there? So I had usually our league runs
from January till about April or May, and so we got a late start
this year so we probably didn't start till mid 10, February, and
then covid happens. So yeah.
Basically, we have a website, it's real.
Pretty cool, actually, I'm sure if you played neck reminding
you've heard of what is that website?
That has It hosts all the stuff, man.
I did. I'm just a doctor, is it?
That it's not académica. It's oh man, I've got an account
there and it's been like a year since I played Doctor - I feel
like forgot but there's inside. Yeah.
Really. They host there.
You can build your list on there from classic edition or the
newer Edition, then 17, or 18 or whatever.
And and you can basically create your Army in, it'll kind of
track your campaign. Whatever.
And this guy, and I think he's in Denmark, he created, he
could, he did a lot of his own programming, and he created his
own, kind of Hosting site for blood bowl, and it's fantastic.
Because one of the problems with reading a blood Bowl League or
kind of any league is, you know, how you going to track all the
dice rolls after the game, you know, our people cheating.
It's not like, you know, do you really care if they're cheating?
It doesn't really matter. We're not playing for for big
bucks here, it's not a big tournament or anything.
But you know, how do you track all the roles?
You know, how do you maintain it?
How do you arrange games? And this this site that we so
basically we pay about I think it's approximately 100 euros,
110 Euros. Okay.
I made every year and basically all the members of the club kind
of split it up and so we pay 10 bucks each for whatever it is.
And and we basically have our own site for blood boil, and it
tracks all of our games and tracks and all of our
statistics, it does. The dice rolls Scallops.
It's just it's brilliant. I think, if, if somebody could
do that for Warhammer, you know, for Fantasy the older versions
or, you know, it's like this like the neck, reminder, like
it's just for every single tournament there or the gore
campaign that you run. If there could be something like
this now. I think it would it would
generate some income. So it's, it's brilliant and I
can't imagine playing blood bowl without this, you know, a league
without the software now. And I'll maybe give you the link
to our Website because it's got seven years of history and
statistics and all that stuff. If you want to check it out
sometime, it's called the rechargeable flatland blood Bowl
League. Cool sounds great.
I'm definitely looking to get back into at some point because
even some of the guys here in Japan the foreign guys anyway he
liked playing it. So it's something that's it's
sort of like a game that sort of alive, but it's in, in this new
iteration, so who are you playing?
A Third Edition rules or are you playing the current edition of
blood blister? So yeah, so I still remember
that, it's probably what 96 sesh when the Third Edition rules
came out. And I remember reading those
rules and saying, oh my Lord, this is, this is good and yeah,
back then. And 96-95, I can't remember when
blood boil came out back then, but I had my, my gaming club and
I think of that point we may had 25 30 people playing blood pool.
And that was 3rd Edition and it wasn't very balanced back.
Then, but as Games Workshop, you know, Des was specialist games,
they ignore it for a little while and then the community
really picked up the slack. So I think right now the main
real said is the it's called the CRP or the living real book, six
or seven. I'm not really sure can't
remember which number it is but that's probably the real said I
would play. I know the Games, Workshop
relaunched it, but, you know, the thing I like about Third
Edition where Hammer is, they had a Our Hammer armies book I
collect models from every range. I hate buying Army books.
Like I'd left the fourth edition books I have them but I bought
them all for the 6 Edition than for an 8th Edition and 7th
edition. I'm kind of tired of by an army
books and that's what they've done with blood Bowl Games
Workshop. So you know some people love the
new rule set. It's pretty much the living
rulebook real said. There's some tweaks and changes
but they have a lot of splat books out.
Now like there's the annuals and stuff and honestly The game's
worship is so much my money. I have been waiting me Frank, I
just, I kind of try to stick with the living rule book but
but I know what's it. Like, people can play whatever
kind of rules they want in their in their match as long as we get
an end result rate. So so yeah, so we play The
Living little book rules but but the new rules were pretty much
the same. Okay so yes, don't think Third
Edition like, you know, going back to the nostalgic sort of
Timeline. I think I think just the
straight Third Edition walls are probably what I'm going to be
playing. This will be that the thing with
interviews with with Third Edition is there's no kind of
there's no inducements. Like, if one person has like, if
you play a game and seven people are are injured for next game.
You might only have three people on the line versus a 12-man
roster, whatever. So that's kind of the problem
with Third Edition rules. You could have a game that you
have no hope, but maybe that's part of It's charm to maybe
maybe yeah I think I think the cards and all that kind of
thing. I love games the cars in it, you
know the the death zone expansion, had all those
different various cars that you play through the game.
It just made a really wacky and fun.
I suppose is one off one of games that might be okay.
But I guess I can understand where you're coming from with
like, 4 a.m. if you're playing like and tournement or, you
know, a series of matches, the illegal something, maybe that
will be quite Quite disheartening for players have
crushed it. Some point where they can
actually field in you guys in a gang or something like that.
Have you played this Sigmar Joshua?
I haven't right now. I haven't been I haven't either
which is, you know I friends here like it's not super big
here but I have, you know, some friends who have played War
Hammer with me over the years and and kings of war and and
they they really like they just like my real set.
But I just I haven't I haven't gone in, I haven't tried it, I
don't know. There's something about storm
casted turtles that it just don't work for me, but some
people love them to death. So yeah, basically Games
Workshop and not getting a cent out of me like now or never you
know, that I loved growing up with and then buying the
necessary. The games of people secondhand
of that kind of thing. Like, for me personally and it's
not nothing against Games Workshop, I'm just not
interested in what they're doing nowadays.
It's not, it's not the same company.
Even though some of the old old crew is still there.
Like Gervais Johnson actually wrote the rules for age of
Sigma, which is, which is a boy, well, I can tell you, I know my
my Son's friends that, you know, they'll come over and see the
models kind of on my table or you know on our Shelf and
they're like you know I think I could maybe get a new generation
of kids around a lot care and we're having if I want to do and
yeah it's cool. Like there's something about
that first game you play a miniature.
Is it just and it's just there's something special about, you
know, nicely painted figures on a table or or on a floor or
however you do it, right? So it's drugs.
Yeah. I have an interesting story
about about dungeon Quest because that was that when that
came out and I played a lot of dungeon question, I still play
it to this day. We you know we and this is the
original like 87 version I think of a bookshelf.
I've got I think I've got almost every bookshelf game that games
were shot made during that era because I've just been
collecting stuff throughout the years but In my gaming Club,
when you're in, this was kind of fun.
We didn't request. If you've never played it, it's
for people can play it at once and it's got a very high death
rate. So have you ever played dungeon
Quest Joshua. I'm just trying to think.
Is that the one with the dragon in the city that we have such a
high death rate, but what we would do is we had a games day.
This was Way back in the 90s we had a game is a and basically it
was like a Perpetual on a dungeon Quest that the board was
set up. Almost everybody in the club
knew how to play the game because I was a champion of it
and it's completely random. I get it.
A lot of people don't like the luck in it, but I think it's
just, it's just funny. And every day, every person who
went through would have paid a dollar and I think by about 2:00
a.m. this, we started. I think most games days, we
started around nine o'clock in the morning.
So it people have been playing it non-stop for the whole day
and I think we had over a hundred dollars in the pool and
half of the money would go to the person who came out and got
to the dragons chamber and came out and so it get half the money
of him. The other half went to the
gaming Club, to pay for the rent, at that point, because we
had changed locations, and we're paying a higher end, but we kept
playing it. We're like, we got to beat this
kid. Like everybody had laughed and
it was just like, wherever friends, like we were playing it
over and over. We got to beat this kid because
I Came out with like 5,000 crowns of treasure something.
And I've never seen that happen before.
I think we played until 3:00 or 4:00 a.m. and we didn't feed it.
So we just kept adding this kids I think it was 70 or 80 bucks, I
think because because we were gambling on Denton classes for
his kind of into me into playing with me and yeah, I in the very
first Game we played. I actually made it to the center
and actually got back out of the dungeon with some treasure, but
it's yeah, I really remember the playing that game and it was
really, really fun. I just feel it's really sad.
That I'll never get to play much after that and I think I sadly
sold it after that I think. Yeah.
That's what happened to me. Yep.
Oh sorry. That was my phone.
So when you are, when it, what are your goals for the next year
or so with with the Warhammer hobby, what do you hope that I
know you're doing lots of live kind of streams which are
fantastic. And I listened to your last when
your latest interviews with we'll both with was a balder.
I'm not sure how well they have a Renaissance and then I saw the
issue with Robert which I thought was fantastic and kind
of how you guys both kind of grew up on hero.
Us and stuff. And yeah, I like what, what kind
of army do you want to kind of create next and kind of what are
your plans over the next few months or the next year of for
Hammer? Well, that's a very good
question, Michael, thank you for asking and it's gonna probably
take a very long answer, so, you know, hopefully, I can continue
this live stream as it was, we just sort of started this and I
need to refine it. I think to get it to where I
need it to be. Be in order for it to be like in
high definition and it to be very interactive with the
community. Yeah, that's one thing that I
can work on sort of in my spare time and it doesn't really take
a lot of time for me to do it, which is, which is good and in
and it and it's really good in a way that I can reach out to the
community. Like, you know, members like
yourself or other people that I've met online that we can play
games remotely. So that's really good.
So that's that's a sort of Little benches on to the working
on. Now, they'll be like a main part
of the part of the channel but also, like, Army wise, I'm sort
of now, as I'm talking to you painting up some scape and
because I'm playing a game on Monday with, with Rob one of the
guys in the channel. And then after that, I hope to
start my high Elf Army and sort of get that to it like about
1000 or 1500 points. And and basically sort of
collect all the fourth edition armies, I think I'm still really
happy with the fourth edition especially those models of that
era and those are my books. I really really love with 5th
edition not so much to be honest even though I do play through
division like as a game but I'm quite happy with just the fourth
edition armies but man, there's so much stuff, you know,
Michael, there's so much stuff I want, you know, like like I was
just so envious of that that huge haul of Epic stuff that you
got from. This is it, the guy that?
Yeah. Yeah, that crazy.
Like, like I remember when model don't I remember when games
worked up first kind of launched in the United States because I
think that would have been around that time when when the
fourth edition box that came out and see Dennis because he was a
soldier and the United Kingdom and came over to Canada.
He could leverage that that ability because he was a
soldier, he could have stuff shipped over for, I think, for a
cheap cheap. So we would be getting the lead
blisters, which still had I think five.
I'm going back in my Tove only been four, but maybe it had five
six models in it and then the new ones coming from from Games.
Workshop, Baltimore are the United States, but have pewter
and I think it was like two or three models, right?
So we were Dennis was just like his.
He was consumed by war, hammer and epic and like, you didn't
get into magic, you didn't roll playback that he It's
interesting data 74 and like yeah, so he was a soldier in the
unit in Medicaid. Demand came over to Canada and
met his wife and and just just was a he's you know, he got me
in a Miniatures and you know his health is unfortunately failing
these days a little bit and so he's trying to to part out his
collections and the stuff that he has most of its kind and
unfortunately I didn't live in Medicine Hat.
My hometown. So I didn't I didn't know he was
selling all you know? His Warhammer armies.
But I managed to get his dwarfs from him, which is great,
because he doesn't replace a little bit.
A jar Sigma or no, but, you know, he's, it's great like he
role plays weakly plays, fifth edition Dungeons & Dragons, It's
just like like the 74. It's like, fantastic.
Is that the best thing you've heard, right?
So he has very interesting and his book collection was he was
crazy and just sold this house because his wife Slay, a few
years ago so let's but glad to have a friend.
You know, I've got a lot of friends for life and that's
pretty cool. So it's sad that he has to sell
his collection but I know he's he's giving it to you so you
know, it's going to be in good hands.
He never get rid of it and that, you know, enjoy it with your,
with your kids. And that kind of, you knows me
pretty well. Like, do I sell board games?
I don't usually have a miniature.
But it's because I have so many of those old box that's like I
do have some of the regiment's of renowned that are stolen
shrink down in a box, somewhere downstairs.
And I bet they have hundreds and hundreds of blister packs, but
I'm thick sedition and Pad. People then like just well, this
not that I do. I'm probably never gonna pay
traits. So landowners anyway.
Yeah, that's what I need to do. I actually just picked up some
really nicely painted Dark Elves, but there's not a lot of
them. So I'm hoping to add dark else
to our to our campaign, hoping to add a little bit of skaven as
well and slowly but surely my not figure painter in the United
Kingdom. James is he's really busy now.
He painted some Lord of the Rings models and I think the
whole gbh elk Crowd has been a setting a model so he's really
busy these days and I can't even get him to paint my Vegas.
Like I just love the old fantasy models, like, and I wanted to
maybe you you answer this on a previous podcast, but I can't
remember. What did you have a favorite
model for Warhammer? That's it.
That's a hard one, right? That's so difficult.
I think we got to the door. To narrow it down to one model,
that's going to be really, really difficult because there's
just so many and I could say that that different other ranges
as well. Like, not even just say that or
Marauder. But yeah, but if is sit on
broader, I'll tell you what, I'll give you one for broader
and I'll give you one for Citadel.
Sure. All the Miniatures will have to
be the klansmen with a Like a flail, he's one of but his
basically I could just one of the regular klansmen guys, I
think they changed later in the catalogs as one of the long
beards. I just recently picked him up
not too long ago, but he's holding a flail and he's got it,
Mike rally round over it like over his shoulder and just just
just the way he's been sculpted and designed and the motion of
it and everything like that. I think this is one of the most
classic dwarf men. Pitches I've seen as so many of
the marauder Miniatures. All I would say I have to
include all the dwarves, I can't just narrow it down to one.
So all the only ones who designed orbs of that era are
just my favorite all-time favorite as love all of them.
And you know I cherish painting them to is day so and I'm still
I'm still doing that. I'm still painting a lot of
those Miniatures. So yeah it narrowed down as a
collection. Yeah.
Definitely the dwarves for Marauder and for Citadel I'm
gonna have to go with my goblins, my night goblins as a
range. I can't narrow it down to one
figure. Something I have to say all the
cab Adams fourth edition Orcs and goblins are my favorites.
Yeah, they're awesome. Yeah, when Kev Adams, left games
worship, it was a sad day. This is
Europe. Now, they kind of look like a
bit of a troll and a bit of thin ogre kind of somewhere in the
mix there but they're not anything.
That Bob Ali did back then was and I guess he you know I can
use that answer because he did work for Games Workshop for a
long time so her for a while and a couple of years.
Anyway so I love Bob. Ali troubles there.
They're just brilliant in my opinion.
You know I like all models like like I have like figures from
every single range. I have figures from the early
80s, you know, all the way through to present.
And, you know, I don't the thing.
The thing that I kind of don't like is with the only thing, I
really like the HSA horoscopes are fantastic.
I think that the scale creeps gone up a bit and I don't really
care for that. Like, if you take a look at a
birdman large today versus the old Vermin, Lord, or the old
greater Demons of Chaos versus the ones today, there's so much
bigger and they just, you know, getting them to fit into My
aesthetic is hard on the table but you know, I guess we can
suspend belief as well but and it just all those old ranges.
I remember getting that 1987 golden demon.
It's that red book with kind of the golden demon painting on the
front getting out and going through all of the and all the
all the entries for the Goldman, demon words back then and the
colors they the painters. Use is just so, so awesome.
And that Third Edition, you know, that hardback third
edition book is just Just my favorite Warhammer book of all
time. Seeing that table that I think
it was Michael and Ellen parodies table like in.
I don't know if it was the cover spread, I can't remember.
I haven't looked at that book in a little bit but you know, just
those old figures and seeing antechambers skaven like those
old skaven rub models, you know, are just so good, like but are
they beastmen? Are they rats, you know, where
do they fit? It, kind of made it a little bit
and you could probably do, you know, switching either ways, but
just the whole concept of having Mix chaos Army, you know, where
you can have Orcs and goblins, and skaven and, you know,
greater demons and and lesser demons and all that stuff for
make your own thing for Third Edition, you know, the slaves,
the darkness books, you know, man, the realm of chaos bucks, I
guess, you know, those, those books are just fantastic.
They're my favorites. Yeah, that's right, man.
Yeah, that's probably the most did definitive sort of error for
a lot of people especially the our age group, you're probably
getting into war hammer at that point in time and then just
being blown away. But with all these amazing
photographs, that was really old collection of Miniatures now,
anyway nowadays. But yeah.
But I think, I think you're right.
I think a lot of The Minister's back then had a lot of
character, and I think they still do like metal Miniatures.
Anyway, designed by hand as A lot of these 3D designs that
were going around today, but I mean, I can, I can certainly
appreciate a lot of the 3D stuff in some regards, but I would be
certain, you know, buying stuff from Kev Adams from Nightmare
games, for example, because I know he's he's a master at his
craft and he's, you know, worked all these years to perfect his
art and and you know, you just can't get that kind of character
in 3D design. I'm not following weeks ago.
I posted on one of it. You think it was the old Hammer
group? I'm like, I'm like this because
I have a second edition copy of those Reaper roles that were
originally, designed made by holywell, and, and Priestley.
And I bought that years and years ago on eBay, I didn't have
it when I was a kid, of course, I bought it, but I was like,
does anybody have this the first edition rules?
And I just put a post on Facebook and then One of the
people who recently interviewed red Priestley.
I don't remember, I'm so bad with names and fortunately, but
he saw my post and he said, led me to Rick Priestly contacted me
for a copy of these rules. He's like, hey, I don't have the
reaper rules anymore. Could you give me a scam?
So I was like, yeah. I could, you know, that's the
least I can do for you. I'll scan those rules up for
you. I'm right.
Yeah, that was really the The precursor to Warhammer fantasy,
right? Was these Reaper rules there
now, they're cool. You know, it's just see how long
and how far we've come, I guess in a Warhammer hobby.
But it's just, you know, and it's so many good designs and so
thankful that, you know, probably Dungeons & Dragons, led
to all this stuff and, you know, it's just been a lifetime of
love. Yeah, - it's it's it's it was a
very special time. I think in that era of Games
Workshop, with all these people somehow all coming from
Nottingham, I don't know how or why, but always very, very
talented, guys, artists and game designers and miniature painters
and all that kind of thing. So, yeah, I think it's just a
very, very special time. I don't think we're going to see
something like that again. Anytime Too soon.
I think to sort of comes out, comes around if you want
everyone in every now, and again, sorry.
So like Rackham. I think if you're familiar with
rack and the confrontation line, I think that a very similar kind
of sort of generation of really, really, really good artists all
in one place at one time, about inclusive, legal trade, they
produce something really special to into Did you have that box?
That the first one? And I think some of the wolf
kind of they're like they look like almost like route ogre kind
of wolf models that kind of but I do remember what they're
called. Unfortunately but yeah.
I've got some of those. Yeah.
But many good memories at some point soon.
Get together to have a game together because I'd really like
that because I've been following your channel and watching all
your fourth edition Battle report.
Sir be nice. Just to play a game before the
dishes. Because I don't think I've
actually played fourth edition like straightforward addition
since it was around. So, to play fourth edition
again, just fourth edition as it is, just nothing changed.
Just as it is out of the box, out of the book, will be
something really like a real good trick so hopefully we can
do that sometime in the future man you better that's it.
Let's do it. And this is I just wanted to
thank you personally for everything you're doing for
this. Haunt me, it's great.
It's like those videos that you put together.
Together where you, you know, are showcasing, you know, all of
the stuff that you've, I'm not on Instagram, but maybe I should
be, you know, all these armies. You know, nice leap attorneys.
And, you know, just just Gathering, you know, people who
are, you know, and hearing their stories of, you know, a lot of
us are similar. We kind of got in at the same
time kind of followed the same kind of game path, career path,
whatever. But it's I just love love that
stuff and in my spare time listening to it, it's fantastic.
Mastic. When I first got white dwarf, I
don't remember the year, I'm hoping maybe somebody if you're
listening and you could help me. I so, I knew about, I think it
was probably after the fourth edition Army book our fourth
edition box that came out. But my first edition, I wanted
to a two-year subscription, I live in Canada and to your
subscription for white dwarf and, you know, back then when
you signed up to white dwarf you got like you got rewards that
dude. Did you ever sign up for white
dwarf, back? Then I never did right - no.
So the reward for me, signing up to white dwarf for the two years
was Warhammer fantasy. Roleplay, I think the first
edition was kind of on its way out.
So this is probably ninety two ninety, three ninety one summer
in there and I you know all those classic books from fantasy
roleplay that was like I remember getting this big box
and it was just every you know, Shadows over Bogan have Bogan
Hoffman or however you say it, you know, and The Empire within
campaign and Terror of the lift, you know, all these all these
modules, that was my reward for white dwarf and that can you
imagine that today? Like it would just it was like a
gold mine back then. So my doors certainly changed.
But, you know, I didn't fall away to our for a long time but
going back in there, doing a lot of stuff that they did years and
years ago. And it's kind of cool to see
that, you know, they're going back to really cool battle
reports and making it more interactive.
I kind of like the new Games Workshop you know, compared to
the The beaker be era. But, you know, it's interesting
what they're going to do with the, with the old world.
Now, I guess next rate so and I don't play total war war hammer
but my oldest son, got into it showed it to me the other day
and and he's playing it. And and I'm like you know it
uses a lot of the names of these characters that were familiar
with from fourth and fifth editions.
So it's kind of cool that way too so it doesn't have the new
all thorian and grown like a patch or something or some kind
of Downloadable content for it now.
Yeah, I'd have to ask my son. He's not here right now, but he
would for sure. No.
But I don't, I I'm not very good with those games that I know
Mike. My laptop.
Absolutely cannot handle that game, so he has it on his
computer and I don't really go out as configurable a desktop
PC. I don't play any of those.
I've never played any of those games before.
It's just, someone just uploaded like a YouTube, pretty view of
pharaoh and Grandma thought, wow.
Okay, that's that's pretty impressive, right?
Back on the timeline there, so that's cool.
It's good to see those kind of new interations of those old
characters that we, you know, we're familiar with.
But again, you know, being an oldie as myself, I like to put
them in issues on the table and roll the dice and that kind of
thing. I think computer games just
frustrate the hell out of me after a while ago, I still get
bored with him and they did. Frustrating.
So the one thing I absolutely love with them.
You know I'll be totally addicted to them.
Yeah. So I can definitely see the
attraction. Yeah prize.
Well that'll probably lasts so long until the girls take over
maybe. But yeah, the last last kind of
Games Workshop, computer game like I have blood Bowl 2 but I
haven't really played it. I'm not very good with the
interface some so I don't and I don't play fumble and Bible but
I think the last couple Computer game I had from Games, Workshop
might have been the the 93 space Hall, which was kind of a
real-time game and and I remember that being super
intense but probably I don't know if they still make a game
like that anymore. Not no idea.
So yeah, yeah, I remember getting the like the, the last
limited edition space Hulk because I never actually played
the game before. Oh, I've been painting all the
Miniatures spending ages, doing it and look really good.
And then I went out to my mates place to play.
It with him. And we sat down, I think it took
about 15 minutes and I think he was playing the space rings.
I was playing the genestealers. Any deceit is got this huge
migraine if you said I'm sorry, I just can't, I just can't play
this anymore. He's when he crashed out, he
took some medicine went to bed and I think it was the last time
I ever played. I think I sold it after that.
Oh, dude, it's one of those games.
I think it's, it's just not for you, I think.
And in the end, I think, in the end, I like games where you can
have, like, like it's a multiplayer where you can have,
lots of different guys fighting as the AI, or it's like three or
four different Adventures fighting against the GM with.
Yeah. With space Hulk.
It's kind of like chess bitterness in it.
Like a spaceship kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The drill through the space reasons for sure.
I just thought I just got a copy of the Third Edition in the
mail. Somebody in one of the local
groups had had a Be in there from Quebec.
So I think Montreal and sold me. This copy is space Hulk.
But the cool thing about it is every tile that was in the game
has been reproduced with her starts moves.
I don't know if you're familiar with her.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so her starts molds and and so it was this
massive box and I've got all these her start molds that have
the corridor tiles. Like it's like kind of almost
that somewhere between 2D and 3D.
So, there's A little tiny walls but they look like corroded
pipes and stuff around it and then it's got the corridor time
on it and it's fantastic. So I think that might be one of
our, you know, a video we do soon because the Miniatures are
painted pretty nice. And there's not a lot of space
whole content of it. Like a lot of those old games,
like Nana were and that stuff, there's not a lot of stuff on
there and then would call more people do it.
There's two videos that I've seen Actually, I'm just it's
just a shame. Those guys didn't follow through
and make more videos on them because I know that they're
really passionate about the game.
That is definitely follow through and make any more
videos, but yeah, that's another game.
I've just recently bought, actually matter was a new game
for me because I did play it back in.
Wales in England, with a guy was living with and I played it once
and I bought a fleet of fully painted professionally, painted
Fleet from my boss at the at the store at the time and I don't I
know why, but I just bought it and, and then you had one game
really enjoyed it, but just never played it after that.
So I sort of sort of, missed out on that, whole entire error.
So remember that too heavy into Manowar because but I just
didn't because I had other interests at the time, but those
old models like yeah, if they weren't quite so expensive.
I do have man of war, but I don't have a painted, so that's
kind of my I like playing with painted models.
But I guess maybe I could just push around someone painted
ones. Try it.
I didn't get a copy of dread sweet.
I know a lot of people hate it but that's a what off quick
game. And my copy was at a friend who
passed away, so I bought his copy.
He had it professionally, painted, and this copy of dread
Fleet is just gorgeous. It's like it's so good and I
can't wait to play with my son to or whoever else.
Yeah, just all these good games that you know just too many
games not enough time. That's it.
My yeah. I'm sort of sort of try To
narrow down, just to those core games from gangs Worship in the
nineties. And I'm sort of just, you know,
I think I'm quite happy in this space.
Maybe you are too, but I know you've got a lot of board games
and other games as well, you play.
But yeah, I'm quite, I'm quite happy, just in this and this
are. And I think I could, I could,
you know, potentially spend the next, you know, 10, 15 years,
just painting miniatures for these games and just being
happy, just playing them. Yeah, but who Philadelphia?
Be a playing these games now than I ever have done with all
the other modern games out there now, to be quite honest.
Yeah. Well then you know, it's there's
things that Target us and dry said and we should really
Embrace those things. I think so.
Absolutely - yeah. So hopefully hopefully yeah we
can see some more great videos from you and you playing games
with your son or the other friends in the future, maybe
even Dennis if Dennis Dennis is health is you know getting
better if you Great to see you guys playing Epic Space Marine
at some point. Yeah that's a great idea.
I don't get to go home as often as they like it's about a
five-hour Journey which I guess for a lot of people you know may
be traveling Halfway Around the World to get home but I don't
get get home and quite as often as I like but you know, I really
that's a great idea. I should really you know give
some tribute to the guy who got me in for sure.
Yeah that'd be wonderful to see if that ever happens every
great. I think he'll, I think he would
love that too. I think he would to be honest.
I definitely think he would for sure.
Or Michael. I think we might have to wrap it
up tonight, so it's been absolutely a pleasure to talk to
you finally. And and I just wish you all the
best for the channel That You're producing.
And hopefully, we can catch up very soon to play a game
remotely here on the channel and vice versa.
You can host a game for me and we can play something at your
placement. That be great.
That would be awesome. Well, thank you again for the
invite and yeah, continue to put out the great content.
I appreciate the Interview and it was a lot of fun and just
keep up the great work. Thank you.
Like I might not my pleasure. Thank you very much, take care.
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