1 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,480 Hello, and welcome back to the Chronic Med Podcast. 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,000 Thank you so much again for downloading this episode. 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,000 And this is Josh, your host. And today we've got a flashback 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,720 from a live stream I did recently with Owen Staton. 5 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,200 And I thought it'd be nice to convert those live streams into 6 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,640 audio format for the podcast, just in case people have missed 7 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,160 it or they don't even know about the live streams that I've done 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,720 recently or videos is not their formative choice and a prefer to 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,520 listen to this in their car or when they do their hobby during 10 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,480 the week. Which is completely 11 00:00:40,480 --> 00:00:44,360 understandable because a lot of content that I consume is also 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,640 audio as well. So Owen was very kind to and 13 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:52,800 generous with his time a few weeks ago to lend me about 50 14 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,600 minutes to have a chat with him about what he's been up to since 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:00,160 the last time we spoke about the new, well, I say the new old 16 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,800 world. It is titled the old World that 17 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:07,840 he had the essentially the 9th edition of one of fantasy 18 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,480 battles as he picked up the book. 19 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,000 I know he did about other aspects of his hobby that's been 20 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,640 involved with or just talking about the hobby. 21 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,360 So I hope you enjoy this if you did miss the live stream and 22 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:26,320 that you can enjoy what Owen brings to our conversation 23 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:29,320 today. If you would like to learn more 24 00:01:29,320 --> 00:01:33,080 about or follow Owen on a more regular basis, you can of course 25 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:39,520 do that by tuning into the Time Between Times podcast or Spectre 26 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,920 by the Sea, which he does in collaboration with another lady, 27 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:48,240 usually talking about ghost stories and that kind of thing. 28 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:52,440 And Owen's very much into talking about folklore stories 29 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,200 and he does it so well. And like I said to many other 30 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,880 people, if you watch his YouTube channel and especially during 31 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,920 the pandemic, I don't think he does them live anymore. 32 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:08,039 But he would sit in a chair in his, in his gaming room and he 33 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:10,240 would just recite a story off the top of his head. 34 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,240 He would have no book in front of him, no script. 35 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,440 He would just tell that story as if he just, he'd, he'd actually 36 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,880 been there and seen all these wonderful and magical mystical 37 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,320 things. It's really incredible. 38 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,240 Like, just in one take. I've always been fascinated how 39 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,720 Owen can do that. And he's just got this masterful 40 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,880 skill of telling a story, but not only telling a story, but he 41 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,480 has the voice that lends that story so well. 42 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,680 And it really sets you into this, in this. 43 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,960 Yeah, Time Between Times, if you like, takes you to this other 44 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,320 place. So please go and follow him on 45 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,760 his podcast, Time Between Times or Spectre by the Sea and check 46 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,160 out the content there. He has got his website up and 47 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:01,040 running as well. And I know he does performances 48 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,040 live in front of a live audience. 49 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,160 He does direct plays. He's a very creative, artistic 50 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,480 person. So and yeah, so go and check him 51 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,400 out. That's all I can say about Owen. 52 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:16,640 He does wonderful contributions to my my YouTube channel with 53 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:19,280 the chronic event games. If you follow if or have you 54 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,040 been following the Tears of Aisha campaign and the advance 55 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,680 hear request series? I did well, that's all Owen's 56 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,160 voice over work. So that's where that comes from. 57 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,280 It's not me, it's not AI. There's a real guy, a real 58 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,440 talent, a real professional out there lending his time and 59 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,120 experience and expertise into these productions. 60 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,160 So I can only thank him again for all that time he's put into 61 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,440 it because that's a lot of hours, a lot of voice recordings 62 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:51,800 he sent to me on on upon my request and he is more than 63 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,960 happy to do that for me, which is amazing. 64 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:00,040 So I can't thank the man enough. So he was kind of give me 15 65 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,640 minutes before his son's sort of post birthday lunch with his 66 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,880 family. So if you do get in touch with 67 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,920 him online through Discord or Facebook or what have you on his 68 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,680 podcast, leave him a comment to say thank you, mate, for all the 69 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,320 all the great things you're doing out there for the 70 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,800 community. So, so leading into that, I hope 71 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,480 you guys enjoyed the interview today. 72 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,200 I've been busy doing my other other things here. 73 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,480 Obviously the podcast is kind of in a hiatus mode at the moment 74 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:35,680 because I'm trying to arrange new guests to come onto the 75 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,000 podcast, but we have to do that sort of later this month. 76 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:42,200 So that sort of starts again probably end of June, early July 77 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,360 when I've lined up a few people, I've got some interesting voices 78 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,240 from the war gaming community, people maybe you've never heard 79 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,280 of before, which is kind of my niche kind of thing. 80 00:04:53,280 --> 00:04:57,120 I, I, I like to introduce sort of unknowns, people who, who 81 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,600 don't have a social media presence, but some do, but some 82 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,720 don't. And I, I really enjoy talking to 83 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,400 those guys because I like some of the content they make or 84 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,280 contributions they make to our communities. 85 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:15,640 And hopefully there'll be a constant stream of these people 86 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,600 coming through the Crown of Command podcast and that you 87 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,600 guys can enjoy as you do your hobby and get inspired to do 88 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,040 other projects and learn from other people from different 89 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,800 parts of the world. So we've got that under the boil 90 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,840 I've got, I've got a lot of painting to do because of 91 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:32,400 commissions I'm doing through heavy lead. 92 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,800 So I've got this massive chaos tour farming I'm working on at 93 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,640 the moment. I've got some videos in 94 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,320 production as well for the YouTube channel. 95 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,080 The third installment for Tears or Aisha is coming along with 96 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,160 Owen's wonderful voice work to go along with that. 97 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,280 And it's just getting the times right for me to sit here and and 98 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:55,520 start doing the voice over work for that. 99 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:02,200 But that's under the boil. Storm of vengeance is kind of 100 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,760 another thing that's sort of also getting some interest now 101 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,680 as we've got some new bits and pieces. 102 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,720 Thanks, thanks to one very generous person out there in the 103 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,720 United States. And he will get a different 104 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,400 glorious mention in the studio update for June. 105 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,720 So that's another video I'm working on so you can see the 106 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,560 projects I'm undertaking and all the wonderful models and 107 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,040 miniatures that I get to paint as a full time profession, which 108 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,880 is just amazing. I still, I'm still bowled over 109 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,600 by that. And also thanks to those 110 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,760 wonderful, generous Storm boys, some nude patrons have come in 111 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,440 this week, quite a new, quite a few actually, which I was quite 112 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,880 bowled over by. And thank you so much again for 113 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:51,280 your continued support that you value me to, to send me $3 a 114 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:53,200 month basically. That's, that's just really 115 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,800 awesome of you to do that. And as of that and as as of last 116 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:02,080 episode, the last podcast we did with the the law, I hope you 117 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,200 guys enjoyed it. It seems to have gotten some 118 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,800 positive reactions and feedback because I asked the guys in 119 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,120 Discord about it. You know, do you want me to 120 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,840 continue these or not? You know, or you're quite happy 121 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,360 to say no, Josh, just keep keep your day job, mate. 122 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,680 Just just just do what you do. The painting and stuff is just 123 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,040 fine, but it seems that people like it. 124 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:23,320 So I put a poll on Patreon to say and it's open to everybody. 125 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:28,160 Anybody can vote on it to say which army book I've chosen for 126 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,760 the Dwarfs, the Empire, Hiles and. 127 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,920 Was that it? Let's say orch and goblins. 128 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,800 If it hadn't, the bled out was the other choice. 129 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,200 And so you get to vote. Vote and see what the next one 130 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,080 will be. Let's see what unpronounceables 131 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,960 I can mispronounce and unpronounced next time, which is 132 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,680 a lot of fun and I love doing it for you guys. 133 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,720 I love doing it for my patrons and whoever listens. 134 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,280 Basically, I'm I'm still glad I've got listeners. 135 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,920 If you can hear my little son beeping and tweeting in the 136 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,760 background, that's because he's playing Nintendo Switch and 137 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:05,080 enjoying his Pokémon battles because I'm downstairs in the 138 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,640 next to my son, nursing him back to good health. 139 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,760 So guys, look, that's what's been happening. 140 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,000 I really appreciate the support, the messages, the feedback I get 141 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,680 for the podcast, but it's all about our guests, isn't it? 142 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,640 Because that's what their stories we're really looking 143 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:25,040 forward to hearing as we go through our hobby week and, and 144 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,520 I hope you enjoy this one with Owen. 145 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:31,880 So guys, until until then, I look forward to speaking with 146 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:38,400 you again soon on the weekend Natta and and maybe another law 147 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,679 deep dive into another faction in the near future. 148 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,400 Until then, enjoy this interview with Owen. 149 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,440 Owen, I've got you mate. I nailed you down. 150 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,960 Hello. It's hard to do, mate, it's hard 151 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,680 to do, but here I am. How are you? 152 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:56,640 Well, good mate. It's been so, like I said 153 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,600 before, it's been so long since we've actually got together. 154 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,560 It's just. Crazy Josh, I've missed you 155 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:02,840 terribly. I've missed you too, mate. 156 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,080 I missed you mate. You're you're a good friend in 157 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:07,800 in Wales. So like I've just. 158 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,560 I like the way my thinking. What is Josh doing and where is 159 00:09:11,560 --> 00:09:14,240 Josh now? You know, what's he up to? 160 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,480 I really like the game of 4th edition Warhammer right now, you 161 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:22,000 know? Yeah mate, So it's. 162 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,800 Been waiting, it's been waiting in the wings and we've tried to 163 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,840 get together multiple times, but we've just been corresponding 164 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,000 every now and again. And of course, you're, you're 165 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,600 the voice behind a lot of the production here at chronic 166 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,680 command games, which I cannot thank you enough for, mate, 167 00:09:35,680 --> 00:09:39,520 honestly, heart, you know, heart, heartfelt gratitude for 168 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,000 you, mate, for all the time and, and, you know, professionalism 169 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,720 and everything you put into the channel. 170 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,960 It really, because if I did it, my Aussie, you know, Crocodile 171 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,120 Dundee voice, it would just ruin everything. 172 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:50,920 I mean, it's bad. It's a. 173 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,720 Knife. It's bad enough me doing the 174 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:57,720 narration, but you know your, you know your introduction, you 175 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,280 know you're setting the tone, you're giving an atmosphere, 176 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,840 you're getting it, you know, gravitas if you like. 177 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,400 And it really it, your voice just fits the old world so 178 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,760 perfectly. So thanks again mate. 179 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,720 It's my pleasure, Josh. Thank you for the kind words. 180 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,760 I think growing up with all that text and growing up reading 181 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:20,200 those stories, for me, it's just a pleasure to read them because 182 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,520 they mean so much to me. Because, you know, back in the 183 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,640 day when I was in my teens and just getting into Warhammer, 184 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,880 just getting into all that stuff, I used to read those 185 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,800 stories that was so evocative that they just used to bring my 186 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:36,120 imagination alive. So it's a pleasure to read them, 187 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,040 you know, it really is. And I just wish I could devote 188 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,640 more time to it because I'd love to be able to spend a lot of 189 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,320 time reading some of those old stories because whenever I do 190 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,280 them for you, I just think this is great. 191 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,360 You know, it's absolutely, it's so epic, isn't it? 192 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,680 And it's so, like you say, evocative of, of, of what 193 00:10:54,680 --> 00:10:58,040 Warhammer was to me, which was more than figures on the table. 194 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:02,360 It was always in my imagination. I can remember, I think we 195 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,400 talked about it before when I can remember my first ever game 196 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:11,040 of Warhammer and during that game and some wolf riders erode 197 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,400 through a river and just got out on the other side. 198 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,120 And I can remember having to like, you know, a part of the 199 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,120 movement because they were riding through the river and 200 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,400 this sort of stuff. But none of that mattered. 201 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,920 And I can still got the picture of them taking their wolves 202 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,560 through the water and coming up on the other side all soaking 203 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:29,280 wet and losing one or two of them to the stream. 204 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,760 And just that, because that's what Warhammer is to me. 205 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,160 It's more than just figures, you know, it's more, it's more about 206 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,080 the the story than anything. As we've talked about before, 207 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,840 Fantastic stuff. Yeah, mate, you tell a good 208 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,560 story because not only do you do stuff exclusively for us at the 209 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:47,160 Chronic Command, but you are a professional storyteller. 210 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,320 You have been for a very long time and you've now launched a 211 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,120 new website as well for yourself. 212 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,280 Yeah, the website is Welsh Storyteller. 213 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,280 As you know, I've had my, my, my storytelling podcast Time 214 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:04,400 between Times has been going for a couple of years now and that 215 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,360 just has gone from strength to strength. 216 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,840 And you can get that on YouTube as well. 217 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,520 It's smaller on YouTube, but I've, you know, it's still 218 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,520 growing all the time and it's just stories told in a mindful 219 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,520 way that people can just relax and listen to the story being 220 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:22,360 told essentially. And next week, unbelievably, is 221 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,680 a, is a 20 year anniversary of something that happened to me 222 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,200 when I worked for the police. That was quite meaningful 223 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,720 really. And next week I'm going to 224 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,480 release a podcast every day. And I'm going to hopefully do it 225 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:39,360 for the Police rehabilitation house in Trust in Flint, house 226 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,720 in, in Goring on Thames, where police officers who've been 227 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,000 through bad experiences go to rehabilitate. 228 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,200 And it's something that's quite close to my heart. 229 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,000 So I'm raising money for that next week and I'll be releasing 230 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,400 a story every day, Monday to Friday. 231 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,400 So it's going to be interesting, you know, and nice. 232 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:56,400 So good on you mate. That's wonderful because you, 233 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:58,680 you, you have a really interesting background now, of 234 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:01,800 course, I discovered you through the, the, the D6 generation 235 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,120 podcast time. And that was a long time ago. 236 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,800 That's like 15 years ago now. It was, yeah. 237 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:11,320 Unbelievably, I caught up with Russ last year in America. 238 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:12,200 Yeah. You did? 239 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,200 Yeah. My wife and I went to the 240 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,440 States, to Florida, and we met up with Russ and his wife and we 241 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:19,960 had a lovely time. And he still does that. 242 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,280 He still usually just sort of live streams D&D games and 243 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,600 things like that, but still into his gaming and still a lovely 244 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,320 guy. And we've, we've booked to go 245 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,520 again next year and we're meeting up with him again. 246 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,040 So I'm looking forward to that. It'll be nice. 247 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:33,400 Yeah. That's. 248 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:35,320 Amazing. That's amazing reunion. 249 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,240 I saw those pictures on Twitter. Or now known as X? 250 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,960 Or is it X, formerly known as Twitter I? 251 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:45,400 Don't know. But it's so cool to see you guys 252 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,680 together. I mean, I, I can't think of 253 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:53,480 anybody like a person who's so energetic and positive about the 254 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,480 hobby and so influential in the hobby in terms of podcasting. 255 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,120 I mean, it doesn't get bigger than the D6 generation with 256 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,880 Crown. I mean, it was massive at the 257 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:04,920 time. Yeah, it. 258 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:06,920 Was odd. Memories of that podcast. 259 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,480 It's it was so good. And do you know to to hear your 260 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:14,240 I think you did, I think you did some kind of story for them. 261 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,200 You wrote a poem or something like that? 262 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,560 It was, it was really odd, Josh. It was, it was at the birth of 263 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,600 podcasts really, wasn't it? I can just remember about that 264 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,920 time. I can remember I just got a dog 265 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,360 and for the first time and I was spending time walking my dog 266 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,200 outside. I discovered podcasts and there 267 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,240 was one called This Week in Wargaming which was by a guy 268 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,040 called Ken Whitehurst who I still follow and still speak to 269 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,920 on Twitter. And it was literally him just 270 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,320 saying you know what he did every week in Wargaming? 271 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,160 I just thought this was better than ever. 272 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,160 And then I discovered the D 6th generation really early on with 273 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,400 what they were doing. And they would do like 3 hour 274 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,880 shows where they would review games, They would, they would 275 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,000 chat, they, you know, and they had a real good sort of 276 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:03,400 chemistry between them. And they did a competition which 277 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:08,480 was all it was about. What do you call them? 278 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,920 Oh, what's the game? The privately oppressed game. 279 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,120 What is that? A war machine. 280 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,600 War machine. And they did a war machine 281 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,880 competition and they asked would you know, someone write a poem? 282 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,320 No, it wasn't even that. It was say, would someone do 283 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:27,160 something war machine based, and I wrote a war machine poem and I 284 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,800 I sort of recorded it in with much bluster, sort of almost 285 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,640 like a Brian Blessed sort of way and it and it won the 286 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,200 competition And I can I can still remember driving to work, 287 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,320 listening to that and being so joy be like, yes, I won. 288 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:45,080 Do you know, and more. And from that I started doing a 289 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,160 Word from Words from Wales segment for the D 6th 290 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,040 generation, which was basically me just talking about what 291 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,520 project I was involved in. But I always did it with like a 292 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,080 Welsh angle and I tried to bring as much comedy into it as I 293 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:57,600 could. And I did it for a couple of 294 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,960 years and yeah, it was great. It was really good to be 295 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:02,320 involved and still people remember that as well. 296 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,840 It's fantastic really, which which was fab, you know. 297 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,000 So yeah, mate, it was, yeah, it was great. 298 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,800 I I still have fond memories about those days. 299 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:10,160 Yeah. It's surprising you met. 300 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,960 You mentioned Ken as well, because I really enjoyed that 301 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:14,520 podcast. When he took it over from 302 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,280 somebody else, like someone else had to abandon it and he took it 303 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,960 over and did it for like, I don't know, a month or something 304 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,720 like 4 episodes, very, very brief. 305 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,120 And then he gave up on it. He just knew how crazy it was 306 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:28,520 the schedule of making a week in war gaming and then doing a 307 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:32,280 podcast and all this kind of segments and reviews and stuff 308 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,080 like that. But Ken is a guy I really 309 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,720 respect in the hobby too because he's a massive epic Space Marine 310 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:43,680 fan and he did the he did like an epic show with the guys on 311 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:46,720 the Maples and Miniatures podcast. 312 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,360 That's right. Remember those as well. 313 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,160 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, there were a number I can 314 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:55,760 he tweets like infrequently, but every time he tweets, I I always 315 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:58,760 reply when's the next episode of This Week in War game again? 316 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:03,200 You know, and he always like goes no, no, there's not going 317 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:04,680 to be another one, you know that that's everything. 318 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,440 But yeah, if you're talking, it's got to be like 15 years ago 319 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:11,480 now, you know, like you get it where we go with this year in 320 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:12,640 war gaming. When's it come in? 321 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,560 You know, but yeah, if those were great days because it was 322 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,560 such a new thing, wasn't it? And it was very much like, you 323 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,920 know, do it in your own backyard type attitude, really. 324 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,560 And something I, I sort of kept on. 325 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,359 I can remember with them words from Wales. 326 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,920 I didn't even have a mic, you know, I was just talking into. 327 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,920 And I'd have introductory music and I would play the music 328 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,680 literally live on a, on a like a stereo next to me and then try 329 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,760 and fade it out, you know, to get the recording. 330 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,640 And that's everything. Yeah. 331 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,200 It was mad, really. And but yeah, there's another 332 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:48,040 guy, another Ken that I know, actually. 333 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,760 And he, I met him through that as well. 334 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,360 And then we started gaming together. 335 00:17:52,360 --> 00:17:55,880 And then, yeah, you'll be amazed how many people that listened to 336 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:57,520 the D6 generation back in the day. 337 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:02,120 And it's, it's crazy really. And, and yeah, they're so nice 338 00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:03,560 people. I'm still in touch with Craig as 339 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:07,040 well. And as I say, Russ, I don't see 340 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,560 him often, obviously, because we live on like, like ourselves, we 341 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:10,600 live on the other side of the world. 342 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:15,120 But he's been here to visit. I've been and we've met him in 343 00:18:15,120 --> 00:18:16,840 the States twice I think as well. 344 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,720 Yeah. So we've just spent a couple of 345 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,040 days together and, and it's been fantastic and I'm looking 346 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,200 forward to doing that next year as well, which would be nice, 347 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:25,960 so. Oh, that's wonderful, mate. 348 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,920 Yeah, I'm glad you got, I'm glad you got to go to the US and meet 349 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,160 him and his wife and had a good time there. 350 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:32,160 That's great. In Florida. 351 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,320 So that's that's a nice reunion if anything. 352 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:36,720 So that's great. And you guys are still in 353 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:37,680 contact. I know you did. 354 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,120 You did an interview with him actually, and it was quite 355 00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:42,400 interesting. You did like sort of a on your 356 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,640 channel, one of your YouTube channels? 357 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,560 You did, yeah. Yeah, and I like that. 358 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,920 It was quite, quite interesting to listen to him talk about his 359 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,600 history and war gaming and all that kind of thing and how the 360 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,440 podcast started and all that kind of stuff. 361 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,240 So. If anybody hasn't hasn't seen 362 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,040 it, I urge you to go look at it. I'll leave a link in the show 363 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,640 notes to go and check out Owen's channel to go and check out that 364 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,320 plus all your. You did a lot of Rangers of 365 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:06,600 Shatterdeep didn't you mate? You had a bit. 366 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,040 Of a yeah, I do. I love Rangers of Shatterdeep. 367 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,440 I, I love it. I, I'm, and during the pandemic 368 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,560 in particular, it was a great game because it's a solo game. 369 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,920 It's a great game to that you could do by yourself. 370 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,480 I collected, I've been really lucky to collect some lovely 371 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,400 scenery and I've got some dungeon scenery and things like 372 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,720 that. And I would often sort of 373 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,640 broadcast a live game of Rangers of Shadowy because it was a 374 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,960 storytelling game essentially. And it was a game that you would 375 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,880 just take you, you, you know, stuff through. 376 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,480 And although technically it was really low tech, you know, I'd 377 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,160 literally have my iPad looking down on the table. 378 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,160 But people seem to like that I've got my, my storytelling 379 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,400 channel, which is time between times, but I also have another 380 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,960 channel called Adventures at the time between times. 381 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,880 And in that I think, you know, there are loads of live games on 382 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:55,920 there. There's interviews with people 383 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:00,360 like yourself, people like Russ and you know, and just games 384 00:20:00,360 --> 00:20:04,000 that I've played that I've tried to tell a story with as I'm 385 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,960 playing it. And funny enough, Rangers of 386 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,520 Charity but just released a new book which I'm looking forward 387 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,160 to picking up now in the next week or two. 388 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,880 Because I'd love to, excuse me, get back into playing that. 389 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:17,680 And also I played quite a lot of Silver Bayonet, which is like a 390 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,040 by the same author, Joseph A McCulloch. 391 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:25,480 But the Silver Bayonet is like a Napoleonic game with all 392 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,080 supernatural creatures in as well. 393 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:31,280 And it uses a slightly different system to Rangers, but it's a 394 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,680 really good system. You can play either with a 395 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,080 friend or on your own, which is nice as well, which is good. 396 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:38,840 So. Yeah, I think that. 397 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,200 I think, I think, but those solo games, those solo play through 398 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,080 games can be really popular during the pandemic. 399 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,120 And I know Rangers shadowy, I've heard a lot about. 400 00:20:46,120 --> 00:20:48,440 I've seen you guys play it like I'm actually playing with you. 401 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,240 We did a remote game, didn't we? Yeah, we did. 402 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,320 Yeah, We did a few of that. We did a Christmas game and 403 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:52,960 things like that. Yeah. 404 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,720 They were all fun, weren't they? They were really nice. 405 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,840 Really good and I really enjoyed that series when you did it. 406 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:02,000 So I urge you to bring it back and please protect the dog next 407 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,400 time. Please protect the hound, 408 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,920 because every time that poor little bugger went on the on the 409 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,920 battlefield, it'd always cop it. It's like it's like one of those 410 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,680 games where you have your heroes, they're these grand guys 411 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,000 who have all these, you know, items and equipment and 412 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:16,560 everything. And when you roll that D20, they 413 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,360 roll real low. And then when the enemy come up 414 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:21,200 this like this SAP who's like the zombie or something like 415 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,760 that, he rolls A20 and quits somebody and and kills them. 416 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,240 And it was really funny. I really enjoyed those. 417 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,960 And you're telling the story as it goes the. 418 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:33,280 Silver bayonet you. They changed it slightly so it's 419 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,760 the same sort of system as Rangers, but instead of the D20 420 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,120 you roll 2D tens. And it makes a massive 421 00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:42,840 difference because as you said, what would happen is you spend 422 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,160 ages thinking up this Ranger and the back story to it and all 423 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,040 that. And then it would literally be 424 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,280 like a wolf or a zombie or something like that. 425 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,560 Like, yeah, kind of whacking these down, you know? 426 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,160 And it would always characters you didn't give any thought to 427 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,560 would be the ones that would like end up taking it forward 428 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,480 either way. But the new system with the two 429 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,680 D 10s I think works. I don't know why, but it, it 430 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,440 works better it, it doesn't quite give those massive swings 431 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,920 that you'd have with the 1D20, you know, sort of. 432 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,800 But yeah, it, it works. And my friend Sid, who I play 433 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,440 over in the Swansea War Games Club where me and him will play 434 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:24,400 a lot of the silver bayonet, which is a nice system and good 435 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:25,680 characters. We made-up for that. 436 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:30,040 There was a guy the, the character there was Henry, Henry 437 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:32,320 Holdsworth supernatural investigator. 438 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,120 And I've done a series of a group as Henry Holdsworth 439 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:39,800 supernatural investigator aboard the HMS Whitby, which is a like 440 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,440 a cruise sort of ship And all the crew of the Whitby along 441 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,200 with Henry Holdsworth. And there's some good really 442 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,280 nice, if I say so myself, but some really nice stories have 443 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,440 come from from him. People like, you know, find him 444 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,520 quite popular. And he's one of these characters 445 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,240 who, frustratingly for all my opponents, he always manages to 446 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,800 survive. So, you know, and sort of 447 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,720 breakthrough and get through to the next game. 448 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,800 You know, even though some of the other characters have really 449 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,880 copped it, you know, there's a, the first mate that's got a 450 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,000 werewolf problem. He sort of turns into a way, you 451 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,080 know, he's got a no werewolf. He's been uncontrollable. 452 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,400 I've got like a, a Native American scout and the marines 453 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,240 as well and like a Rifleman and yeah, they're nice. 454 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,760 That's been really good as well to be able to do that, which is 455 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,640 good. So, So what about yourself? 456 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,360 What what's your, I can see you're still playing some old 457 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:31,080 Warhammer. What do you think of the old 458 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,960 world And that really some any thoughts on that? 459 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,280 That's a good question, Owen. I have nobody idea, mate. 460 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,480 I haven't seen anything of it. So I don't know. 461 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,480 I was going to ask you actually, I was going to turn the table 462 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,280 and say, you know, you bought because I, you know, the last 463 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,680 communication we had in the photos you you sent to us, I 464 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,080 think in our discord was where you have, you know, standing in 465 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,320 line waiting for the the pre-order to be released when 466 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,960 the doors open at the Games Workshop, whatever war hammer 467 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,360 world or whatever to pick up your copy. 468 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,400 And yeah, there's quite a lot of people, you know, obviously 469 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,000 picked up a lot of attention, a big reception for getting new 470 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,920 books. So what? 471 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:07,520 And now it's been a good month or so or more, five weeks or so 472 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,480 since its release. Have you got to get it on the 473 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,400 table at all? No, I've not. 474 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:12,840 Here it is. Here it is. 475 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,320 There you go. Absolutely gorgeous book. 476 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,360 And the the book itself. I've got the three books there. 477 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,880 There's the Ravening Hordes, which has got the evil armies 478 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,360 in. I've got the Force of the 479 00:24:23,360 --> 00:24:26,840 Fantasy, which has got the good book, the the good armies in and 480 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,200 I've got the main book. I've not played a game 481 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:36,880 unfortunately, but what I have done is I have old time 482 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,080 listeners will remember the stories I used to tell of Vander 483 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,000 the the dwarf hero and he was the general back in my 4th 484 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,360 edition days, 5th edition days going into 6th edition days. 485 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:52,760 He was the general that led my dwarf army, and he was another 486 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,320 hero of mine. You know, throughout years and 487 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:55,840 years, we used to play these games. 488 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,760 And when I bought the Old World, I felt right. 489 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,040 Vander's coming back. Vander's coming back. 490 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,720 And do you think I could find the figure? 491 00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:04,240 No, you know, I haven't been able to find him at all. 492 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:10,520 But Timothy from Canada, really kindly, he had a beautifully 493 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,640 painted version of the Vander figure, which is an old Marauder 494 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,800 dwarf. And he sent it to me. 495 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,680 And I just thought, what am I going to do here? 496 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,400 So I'm going to create this dwarf army in memory of Vander. 497 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:28,200 So what I did I shamedly sprayed over Timothy's lovely paint job 498 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,400 on. A. 499 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,960 Covered in Moss and that is the centrepiece for my new dwarf 500 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,800 army for the old world. So Vander is still there and we 501 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,120 honour Vander and the the dwarfs of Zafar, but at the moment he's 502 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:49,360 lost. He is currently lost and then 503 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,480 I'm hoping we can find him. But there he is and in the 504 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,840 centre of my new army. And one day when I get to play 505 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,680 it, he will still be at the forefront of my dwarf army. 506 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:03,560 But I've also rebased. I had a an age of Sigma beastman 507 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,840 army. I've rebased all them for it 508 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,880 because you know how much I love beast men and I've replaced all 509 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,400 them for the old world as well. And I'm going to be, and I've 510 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,680 added some new figures as well. There's a company over here 511 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:22,880 called Futsal Miniatures. Trish Morrison, who used to work 512 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,920 for his workshop, has done a range of monsters for them. 513 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:31,000 And this is a lovely cyclops that she's done, which I have 514 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,920 rebased ready for the old world as a giant. 515 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,200 And I've also got lovely sort of Minotaur Chieftain as well, 516 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,400 which I've painted as well that she's done. 517 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:46,120 So a mix of new figures, a mix of old figures and I'm hoping we 518 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:50,120 get some games in soon. But I, I think it's an age 519 00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:53,840 thing, Joshua. It's the thought of when I was 520 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,680 playing the Silver Bayonet with Sid over in Swansea, I had 521 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:03,280 literally 6 big plastic boxes full of dungeon scenery and it 522 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,600 would take three or four journeys to my car to get that 523 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,160 onto the, you know, out to this place. 524 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,400 You know, I've got lazy. And you sit there and you think, 525 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,880 oh, I'd love a game of Warhammer, but we need to drive 526 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,560 over there. And you know, it's, it's all 527 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:19,760 that comes into your mind, isn't it? 528 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,560 And it's all it's, it's pure laziness on my behalf. 529 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:29,640 But I very recently, the other Ken that I know it's someone I 530 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,120 met through the D 6th generation is from a club in Bristol, which 531 00:27:33,120 --> 00:27:35,600 is about 100 miles from where I am. 532 00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:39,640 And a few weeks back I drove to Bristol to play the Lord of the 533 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,880 strategy battle game and I really enjoyed it. 534 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,840 So I've got I had an old Gondo army that I put together in the 535 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,520 in the pandemic, like a lot of. But when I came back from there, 536 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:57,480 I bought an Eisengard army. So I didn't, you know, I've 537 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,320 started painting those as well. So I'm hoping it's going to be 538 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:04,560 the catalyst to get me back into big army gaming because I think 539 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,360 since the pandemic in particular, I haven't played 540 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:11,520 many games at all. Just all those stuff and small 541 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,040 skirmish games and things like that. 542 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,720 Then I do miss, I do miss the old big game of Warhammer, you 543 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,760 know, I do miss it. Yeah, man, I really want to see 544 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,360 because I was going to ask about your basement now, because I 545 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:25,000 know you're a big basement fan and I know now Basement part of 546 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,000 the factions of the new old World. 547 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,760 Is it under Chaos under. Chaos, it's quite timely. 548 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,400 I had no idea this was going to happen. 549 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,200 I've got I've got about four Age of Sigma armies, right? 550 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:40,400 And I've paid probably three games and one of those was a 551 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,760 beastman army that I put together I was really happy 552 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,080 with. And it was all old games 553 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,960 Workshop figures and a few other bits and bobs. 554 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,120 I've got a lot of minatores here I'm looking at and things like 555 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,400 that. But about a month ago they 556 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,840 decided to basically kill be spin off in the Age of Sigma. 557 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,000 So that army, it was a big fuss about it, even though I think 558 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,360 I'm the only person I've ever met who's got AB smile, right. 559 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,280 And that's the reason why they've killed them off. 560 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,440 So quite timely. You know, one of the the army 561 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,800 lists in the the Raven Hordes book is the beastman in in. 562 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,480 So it was good to actually just rebase them back as an old world 563 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,880 army, an old Warhammer army. So yeah. 564 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,280 And they're there. So they've come full circle for 565 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,320 me because they were an old Warhammer army. 566 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,280 They became an age of Sigma army. 567 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,680 But now they've gone back and they're an old world army. 568 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,520 So I've got a, a dwarf army ready to go and I've got a 569 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,600 beastman army ready to go. And unless I fight them, you 570 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,680 know, I've got no plans. But I'd, I'd love to be able to 571 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,120 play a game. I'd love to be able to meet them 572 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,520 for someone and, and get a game on. 573 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,200 You know, I can give you a report of how it'll work then. 574 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,920 But absolutely. Yeah. 575 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,120 So you haven't got the books or anything, have you? 576 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,040 You've not looked at it. I haven't got the books. 577 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:52,920 I'm sorry. No, I haven't. 578 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,200 I I now there's some guys in Tokyo playing it. 579 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,840 They're actually playing it, but we play, I like, I personally 580 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,400 play Warhammer Renaissance, which is kind of like the 4th 581 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,120 edition and group based one in in Denmark. 582 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,920 And I really enjoy that so much that I and I and you know, I try 583 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,640 to get other people from old world to come into Renaissance 584 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,960 and vice versa. But they're like, well, I don't 585 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,280 want to learn two rule systems. I'm quite happy with. 586 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,160 I understand that because as we get older, if we're jumping 587 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,560 between systems, it's harder to keep track of what's going on, 588 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,240 the rules. And I, I totally get it, you 589 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,080 know, you know, and I think you should just stick with the game 590 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,760 you really love and it sort of fits within your kind of mindset 591 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,960 of what you think is a good game, you know, and what you're. 592 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,840 Yeah, I, I found that as well because there was a big 6th 593 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,120 edition sort of scene and I played a few. 594 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,560 I found it hard going back to that and all, but this, this 595 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,880 that was sent for me, not 6th and all that sort of confused me 596 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,120 in the end. As I say, I'm just about the 597 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,440 story we made. I'm just about getting figures 598 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,160 on the table and enjoying what story unfolds from that. 599 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:57,840 And that, that's the big thing for me. 600 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,320 I enjoyed the games we played. We played some games online, did 601 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,960 we? With your dwarves and, you know, 602 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,320 and with Marcel. I also played some of the old 603 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,440 Grom the Porch games and things like that and really enjoyed 604 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,400 those, you know, so, but, but again, it wasn't about the rules 605 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,960 really. It was about just playing the 606 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,960 game and that that that's the big thing for me, a big thing 607 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,560 for me. But yeah, but it's nice. 608 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,880 I've been done lots of projects and you mentioned to me the 609 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,640 Barons War, which done and I recently finished an outlaw 610 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,680 force for them. So I've got a an outlaw force of 611 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,320 maybe 30 sort of Robin Hood types which which look good. 612 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,280 But again, whether I'll play a game I don't know. 613 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,320 But yeah, I've got, I'm looking here. 614 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,320 I've just got literally thousands of figures, but very 615 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,680 few of them have actually seen the field of war, you know? 616 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,160 But yeah, it is what it is, isn't it? 617 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,240 You. Know it is what you're missus 618 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,400 like walk past saying why you got all these bloody figures for 619 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,000 what are you doing yeah that's. Right. 620 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,080 You can see this room I'm in now is just a mess of figures. 621 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,880 There must be 5000 figures at least. 622 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,800 You know, I've got cupboard behind me that's full of 623 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,400 figures. I've got figures all over in 624 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,640 front of you. I'll put some figures out here 625 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,080 that I could show you. You know, Vander, your ears so. 626 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,800 But yeah, but I spoke to a friend recently and I actually 627 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,800 said, I thought, have I outgrown this now? 628 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,480 Do I need all this, you know? But. 629 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,360 But it's a funny thing, isn't it? 630 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,080 Because I can remember playing the Lord of the Rings game with 631 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,120 Ken and just thinking, oh, I'm enjoying this. 632 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,400 But, you know, do I really want to do this? 633 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,840 And then I drove home thinking, oh, I'll get this army and I'll 634 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,520 get this army and I'll get this army, you know, it just doesn't 635 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,160 it? And he and he won't let you go. 636 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,040 It sort of bites you and you know, and takes you and but it's 637 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,280 given me so much over the years. I think that, you know, I'm 638 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,680 happy. I'm just looking at the stuff 639 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,640 behind you there on the wall, you know, and just the memories 640 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,880 that comes from all that is, is something that yesterday I 641 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,320 bought the the 500th edition of White Dwarf. 642 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,840 And then which has come out there is like I've not had a 643 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,480 chance to read it yet. But what I thought was nice was 644 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,560 with it comes this poster which is a poster of the Cather, which 645 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,560 is nice, but on the back it's got every one of the 500 white 646 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,320 dwarfs. Wow. 647 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,160 And I know you and I talked about my first white dwarf, 648 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,120 which is around this area. You've done it with a few 649 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,040 people, which is here, right? There's my white What's. 650 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:27,280 Right. I love that. 651 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,760 And yeah, that issue going through together was wonderful, 652 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,040 mate. You know, I really liked it. 653 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,840 Yeah, it's great when you look at that. 654 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,680 OK, right. And this is quite profound now 655 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,240 and quite sad, but there are 500 white dwarves there. 656 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,160 How short is life, do you know? Right. 657 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,120 Because I can remember these quite easily. 658 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,640 And we're only here, you know, that's not, that's not a lot of 659 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,160 months, is it really? Do you know? 660 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,280 And I was a young lad of like 12 years old here. 661 00:33:54,600 --> 00:34:00,200 And here I am, a man of like 5051 here, do you know, And 662 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,600 there's a lifetime of white dwarves there. 663 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,120 It's mad. It's crazy, isn't it? 664 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:09,600 Like, like I say, yeah, time flies, but our hobby, it's sort 665 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,040 of evolving. It's changing. 666 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,800 We're adapting. We're, you know, we're getting 667 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,199 on to the new thing or we're going back like we're doing now. 668 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:19,880 We're going back into time. And nostalgia is a big thing, I 669 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,120 think. And like, and just to touch on 670 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,120 something personal for you, you know, you've been very open 671 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,040 about your mental health issues you've had. 672 00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:30,440 And I think the hobby is a wonderful way to distract you 673 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,000 from all the other crap going around, You know what I mean? 674 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,120 Like, you know, zoning into that poning painting table, just 675 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,440 picking up your models and just, you know, just getting into the 676 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,440 world like you'd like you do. You're telling stories or just 677 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,760 painting models and thinking about games you're going to play 678 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,679 or playing the games with your friends and that kind of thing. 679 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,560 It's a massive positive distraction from everything. 680 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,239 Yeah. Oh, hugely. 681 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,360 And we, you know, I look at some of the figures I've got here and 682 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,280 you know where I was talking about Henry Holdsworth from the 683 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,120 Rangers, from the Silver Bayonet and some of my Rangers groups 684 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,720 and that. And I look at the figures and I 685 00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:04,040 don't see the figure. I'd see this, I see the 686 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,920 adventures that guy had, you know, and, and it, and that 687 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,120 means a lot, doesn't it really. And that's, that's why I think 688 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,560 it's good to, to get this stuff and, and to be involved with it 689 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,400 and, and to create stories with it, because it becomes more than 690 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,400 just the figure. I'm not like you, you know, 691 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,120 you're a great figure painter. I'm not. 692 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:27,000 But I can put figures on a table, but I, it's what that 693 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,440 figure then becomes is, is is bigger, isn't it? 694 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,640 And then, and yeah, you're right, they are. 695 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,440 Over the years, so many times I've become distracted in a 696 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,680 positive way with what these little guys can do for you. 697 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:43,280 And, and that's what they do. They create worlds that you, you 698 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,400 know, you can go to for a short period of time and lose yourself 699 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,840 in. And that is so important for 700 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,200 anyone. And I'm sure there are many 701 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,240 people out there who listen to this, who will you will 702 00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:56,280 sympathize with that you know, or will, you know, sort of get 703 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,160 the same thing for it because it allows you to focus on that one 704 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,600 little thing, doesn't it? And that one little thing can be 705 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,360 really important. And when I go back, if I could 706 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,520 show you what was in the cupboard there, there are so 707 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,920 many armies over so many years, I can usually tell at what point 708 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:14,560 in my life I was doing that. And and yeah, and and it means a 709 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,240 lot, all that sort of stuff. And it does, you know, and I 710 00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:19,520 know you, you the same. There's so many things there 711 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,160 that you've got that probably different points of your life 712 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,080 meant different things, didn't they? 713 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:28,280 And you know, and memories and things like that, which is is so 714 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,880 important. But I also, but you know, you 715 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,680 get a lot of quite elitism where people I'm not touching the old 716 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,280 world, you know, I'm happy with it. 717 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,320 Just go with it, guys, just go with it. 718 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,240 You know, just play the game. It doesn't matter about which 719 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,560 game you play. It's all about playing the game. 720 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,520 It's about getting together with like minded people. 721 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,680 It's about creating that wonderful thing that you want to 722 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,360 create, doesn't it? And that's and that's so 723 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,240 important, I think personally. Yeah, well, it's, it's a social, 724 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,160 it's a social thing really for me too. 725 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,680 I mean, these days more than anything, I love getting 726 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,920 together with my friends, having a laugh. 727 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,640 You know, we laugh so much when we play. 728 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,320 And it's not so much about the rules being so correct or being, 729 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,920 you know, we're really stringent on the rules and who, who wins. 730 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,120 It doesn't really matter. We're having fun. 731 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,680 And I think that's the main, main objective for us getting 732 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,560 together. Like you say, you know, that 733 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,880 drive, 100 kilometre, 100 mile drive to wherever that was to 734 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,640 meet your friends and to play that game. 735 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,240 I mean, it's, it's kind of like I'm going there to play a game 736 00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:25,640 to enjoy it, but I'm also going to enjoy Ken's company and we're 737 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,480 going to have a fun time. We're going to create memories 738 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,360 of this time when we play games together. 739 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,160 And that's the most important thing. 740 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,200 That's what you're doing really in it. 741 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,760 Absolutely. It's, it's about that. 742 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,360 And, you know, going back to when we we first met during the 743 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,240 pandemic and I started listening to the Crown command and you 744 00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:44,040 kindly asked me to come on onto the show. 745 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,760 And, and during those times as well, this, this window was a 746 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,880 lifeline, wasn't it? This window into people from all 747 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,400 over the world who had a similar interest. 748 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,760 And I think, you know, we shouldn't forget that now. 749 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,600 We should forget, you know, we shouldn't forget that. 750 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,760 How important all that was and how important all that is. 751 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,320 And it didn't matter about the rules or the game. 752 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,080 All that mattered is that we were pushing, pushing the models 753 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,920 around the table and creating a story, really. 754 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,720 And then and it was wonderful, you know, the games are Hero 755 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:15,120 Crest, we played all those type of things, just good stories, 756 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,200 you know, and and creating those stories is so important, which 757 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,840 which is nice. So, yeah, along with that, 758 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,440 continue long with that, continue. 759 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,840 I hope so mate, I hope so. I hope. 760 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,000 I hope younger people get into it because like my, I went to 761 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,440 the hobby store the other day with my son to get some paints. 762 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,160 I needed desperately to get some stuff. 763 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,240 And, and at the art shop they just got a new Citadel rack. 764 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:35,640 So they've got the paints there and everything. 765 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,800 They've got some product there like miniatures and stuff. 766 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,240 My son picked up the one of the Tyranid lictors or whatever and 767 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:44,520 he's looking and he's Oh yeah, that's so cool, you know? 768 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,600 And I said, I said look at the price mate. 769 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:47,920 It's like 180 bucks. Wow. 770 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,720 And so. He was like, yeah, yeah, put it 771 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:53,160 down. We can't play some battle. 772 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,000 Let's go play some battle masters where you know, you 773 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,040 know, And I got a friend over yesterday. 774 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,160 He's also, he's a Japanese friend of ours. 775 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,440 He's a, he's the father of my friend's son. 776 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:05,000 He likes playing Nintendo games. He loves playing Nintendo, you 777 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,160 know, and he's interested in what I'm doing, the miniatures 778 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,200 and that kind of thing. And yesterday, you know, we came 779 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,720 out for dinner and we were planning to do something 780 00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:18,000 together, but I thought, I don't know if I really want to break 781 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,160 at the table. Terrain, the miniatures, going 782 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,840 through all the rules. I think we're a strange bunch. 783 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,480 We're a unique bunch and we're strange, you know, I mean, to do 784 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:30,200 this for so long to enter into this kind of hobby like the old 785 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,000 world, you know, it's a it's a new product, right? 786 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,400 It's a new release. Getting into that is quite a 787 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:36,440 hurdle, isn't it? Because. 788 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:37,840 Yeah, it is. It is, yeah. 789 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,400 It's, it's a lifelong commitment. 790 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,440 We've been doing this for what, 30 odd years? 791 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,920 More. 3035, yeah, probably, yeah. 792 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,920 But that even like 30-7, something like that, yeah. 793 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:49,960 Yeah, it's crazy, mate, it's crazy. 794 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,880 So I just said, look, mate, let's play a card game and we 795 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,560 played a car game. We have, we had the best time. 796 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,280 We're all laughing and, and, and it was so easy to teach 797 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,560 everybody. Like, you know, his wife was 798 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,040 playing. My wife loves it. 799 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,680 And she's not into this whole geek culture. 800 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,000 She you know she'll run 7 miles away from it. 801 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:05,840 You know if she could. You. 802 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,360 Know she loves that game, she's competitive with it and we we 803 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,040 had a great time doing it and I thought yeah, I'd much rather do 804 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,240 this than try to, you know, breach that whole let's play 805 00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:19,880 Warhammer and then go through like 5 hours of rules before he 806 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,560 actually rolled the first dice you know what I mean? 807 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,760 It's a very unique thing what we're doing but it's it's nice 808 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,440 that we're still doing it after all this time. 809 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,640 But I've got a I've got an issue not an issue, but I've got a 810 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:34,560 kind of a burning question for you, like for, you know, for 811 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,400 younger generations. Do you think they will embrace 812 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,120 mass? You know, tabletop wargaming 813 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,440 like Warhammer, like we did? Yeah, I think they do and I 814 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,800 think they are because the popularity of the games 815 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,320 continues to grow, doesn't it? Right. 816 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:55,720 It becomes it becomes huge, OK. And and is is, is the amount of 817 00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:58,000 people who think your Games Workshop sales are going through 818 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,040 the roof and the games they they play are becoming so popular. 819 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,360 My cons not concerned, but it's like anything and with the 820 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,960 Internet, and I mean we could be hypocritical because here we are 821 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,160 on the Internet talking about the games, but I find everything 822 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,640 is so overanalyzed now that maybe they've lost the joy of 823 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,960 just simply rolling dice and and playing because IA couple of 824 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,440 years back I I saw a decider. I used to play competitive 825 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,640 Warhammer quite a lot and but I used it as a weekend to get away 826 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,080 with my friends and we would go and we'd go all over the 827 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,280 country. You know, I've been in the 828 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:36,680 states playing competitive Warhammer and but at the end of 829 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,920 the day, I didn't really care if I won or lost. 830 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:43,240 I just wanted a good game. But I just think these days now 831 00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:46,040 it's, it's not about because, I mean, those old rule sets that 832 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,760 we used to play would never hold up these days because everything 833 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,720 is. So within moments of it being 834 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,360 released, there are 20 videos up saying what's wrong with it, you 835 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:59,120 know, and everyone you speak to will will, will say, what are 836 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,120 you running in your list? Why are you running that? 837 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,280 Why are you using trolls, all that sort of thing. 838 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:09,440 I'm using it because I like trolls, you know, And yeah, it's 839 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,360 become far more competitive. It's become far more analyzed. 840 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:18,600 It's become far more ruthless in the way that it's done. 841 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,680 And I just think, like with a lot of things, that it's just a 842 00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,280 little bit too much now sometimes. 843 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,480 And it's like the beast men. The beast men were like taken 844 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:34,200 away from the the old, the age of Sigma and there were must 845 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,040 have been 100 videos of I'm in despair. 846 00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,280 They've taken away my property, you know, my, you know, my life 847 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,160 was gone. And did anybody actually play 848 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,440 them? Because I'm sure if people did 849 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,240 then they would still be there, wouldn't they? 850 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:49,920 You know, it's a sales driven thing at the end of the day, but 851 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,240 it's just a please, guys, take a step back, you know, please 852 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,120 realize what it is, because that's the only thing I think 853 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,520 it's changed. It has changed a lot. 854 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,880 And then, you know, you and I are dinosaurs these days and, 855 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,000 and things like that. But I, I just hope that people 856 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:11,080 can still enjoy it. It seems to be far more, you 857 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,720 know, results driven and far more you have to play it like 858 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:17,040 this. Whereas in the past it was more 859 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,400 of a thing of discovery, wasn't it? 860 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,800 It just sort of played it really. 861 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,680 And, and it's not until I started playing it competitively 862 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,360 that I knew all the rules and probably never did anyway. 863 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,720 But it was just. But it was, yeah. 864 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,640 Now these days, it's really seriously. 865 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,400 And and it's become something different, hasn't it? 866 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:36,840 It's become something. It's crazy, isn't it? 867 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,320 There's there's like live streams on YouTube where there's 868 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,120 like some kind of 40K tournament, like 10th edition 869 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,240 tournament being played and they've just got like a fixed 870 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:46,200 camera. It's the most boringest thing 871 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,240 you've ever seen, the most sterile, boringest thing you've 872 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:51,840 ever seen table set up. And it's just like the streaming 873 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,600 text of and I think, God, does anybody watch this stuff? 874 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,040 Like, I know, I don't think it was ever meant to be a spectator 875 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:06,400 sport, was it? And yeah, I'd much rather see, 876 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,720 I'd much rather see some narrative driven game where 877 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:11,840 someone like yourself, with your, with your, with your range 878 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,400 of shadow Eve. I'm, I'm interested in saying 879 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:15,000 that because it's like telling a story. 880 00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,320 I can see gameplay that, that the mechanics are important, of 881 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,160 course, because, you know, at the end of the day, it's like 882 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,160 how this game works, how things interact. 883 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,000 But of course, at the end of the day, you want to see some kind 884 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,720 of narrative driven in and. You do and you do. 885 00:44:29,720 --> 00:44:32,680 And I just think you want to, you know, maybe I'm wrong and 886 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:37,160 maybe if I was actually involved in that, I realized that it 887 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:38,880 isn't all that. But I just think people are 888 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,160 taking it, you know, it's all Games Workshop have ruined my 889 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,480 life. And no, no, they haven't. 890 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,400 They haven't. You know, that's like, yeah. 891 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:48,560 Like I just want to step back and, and, and laugh with it, 892 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:49,240 really. And. 893 00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:52,280 And don't be so, you know, in despair. 894 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,440 This, this is what it's always been and this is what it'll 895 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,880 always be, will be. And it's, you know, even chess 896 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,840 as a game is, is not perfect, you know, and, and none of these 897 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,600 games were ever meant to be foolproof games where they, they 898 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,080 just you've got to sometimes give a bit, you've got to 899 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:13,880 sometimes take a bit away. But, but I hope I see a lot of 900 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,400 younger people involved. I see a lot of people and they 901 00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:20,840 obviously are because as I said, sales are, I think Games 902 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,040 Workshop in the pandemic was good for them, wasn't it? 903 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,120 It did really, really did well for them. 904 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,320 And, and all the best of them because I mean, they take a lot 905 00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:30,640 of stick, but there aren't many people. 906 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,760 I know you, you worked with them years ago, but there aren't many 907 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,720 people who come to this hobby not through Games Workshop, you 908 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:41,000 know, and, and, and so we owe them a lot for, for that because 909 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,160 they brought people into the games who would never be here if 910 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,400 it wasn't for them. They do eventually move away, 911 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:47,800 you know. Absolutely. 912 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,960 You know, like I always think like, you know, Brian Ansel. 913 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,720 When? He started when when he took 914 00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:57,240 over as CEO of Gangs Workshop, you know. 915 00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,400 That's a massive. Undertaking, mate, that's an 916 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,080 enormous amount of money. You know, all the people you 917 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,760 hire, all the overheads, the, the, the premises, they work in, 918 00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,320 all the materials. I mean, that's an enormous 919 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,480 amount of money he was putting through that company, you know, 920 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,720 and embracing new talent, getting people in, saying, yeah, 921 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,720 you know, take him under, under on his wing and, you know, 922 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,400 developing them and, you know, encouraging them and that kind 923 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,320 of thing. You know, I, I, I still think 924 00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,080 Brian's just the the catalyst of everything that was good about 925 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,760 Gangus Workshop. And that sort of just blossomed 926 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,440 from there, obviously without his directorship. 927 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,760 But, you know, when Tom Kobe came in, it became more of a, 928 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,400 you know, commercial thing. It was very money driven. 929 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,760 But in that type type pressure cooker that was in that studio, 930 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,240 all those great minds, all that the collective was there. 931 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:42,880 It was just basically them just producing all this wonderful 932 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,000 stuff in a very short amount of time. 933 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,640 Yeah, and at the end of the day, and, you know, love it or love 934 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,800 it, we live in a capitalist society and and it's about 935 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,320 making money because if you don't make the money, you can't 936 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,320 employ those people and you can't develop stuff. 937 00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,640 And and yet, you know, even as a young boy, I can, you know, you 938 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,240 were saying the other day you were you with your son and you 939 00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:05,160 were looking at the price of the turning models. 940 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,520 And, but you can compare that to when we were young, it would, 941 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,880 you know, the prices were different, but they were still 942 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,280 really expensive, weren't they? You know, and I can remember, I 943 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,760 can remember my parents at the time going, you're not having 5 944 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:20,720 lbs to buy that. And I'm like, OK, I can remember 945 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,680 I went to London on a school trip, right? 946 00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,720 And my mother gave me 10 lbs to go on the school trip to London. 947 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,680 And I snuck off and I went to the Games Workshop shop in 948 00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:35,440 Hamilton, right? Pound of that 10 LB on two boxes 949 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,320 of harbours, Black Mountain Boys, OK. 950 00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:40,400 And, and I came home, my mother was going, I'd never have given 951 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,040 you a tenner if I knew you would, a nine gallon on that, 952 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,760 you know. So I was like starving to death, 953 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,160 you know? But I'd rather put it back in 954 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,280 the fingers. It only is like a bad like a 955 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:52,800 £2.00 of chips and you're right mate, you know I. 956 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,920 Mean exactly, you know, yeah, it's always been the same. 957 00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,920 And yeah. And it's, I think there's far 958 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,440 worse hobbies to get into, isn't there? 959 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,200 And there's far, you know, like, has your son got an interest in 960 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,200 it? Is is he sort of keen on it or? 961 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,680 Yeah, it's funny because like, he's he's, he knows what it is. 962 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,960 He knows it's Papas miniatures, Papas stuff. 963 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:19,960 You know, I think he I what now he's now almost 8 years old. 964 00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:24,640 I think I bought for it, Yeah. I mean, I think when I bought it 965 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,440 for him, I think he was only about 5. 966 00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:30,360 So he's probably a bit too young to really to get into it because 967 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,080 he's, you know, obviously his attention is always, you know, 968 00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,440 to the next thing, you know, he's always watching TV or 969 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:40,320 playing his Switch or whatever. But I think next time when his 970 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,800 other friend comes over and his father comes over, I'm going to 971 00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,160 put it on the I'm going to play it out for all of us, us four to 972 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,680 play together and be like, you know, your father son team, you 973 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,040 know, against the other father son team. 974 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,840 And I would appreciate it more. I think he's getting older 975 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:57,520 enough now to really realize, OK, this is an actual game. 976 00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,760 It's like the video game, but it, you know, in a physical 977 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,880 form. And I think he'd really like 978 00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,480 this. He loves rolling dice and he 979 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,000 loves rolling dice. You know, I think he always like 980 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,480 doing that. And so yeah, I think slowly but 981 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,040 surely, and I think like with your kids too, they're they're 982 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,600 seeing you around the hobby your whole life, you know, your own 983 00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:17,760 hobby room that you're sitting in. 984 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,200 And I'm just saying. So they're going to grow up with 985 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:21,880 that. You know, they're always going 986 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,360 to know about little miniatures, little figures and all that kind 987 00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,000 of stuff, terrain, Papa Maid and that kind of thing, the games he 988 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,040 played. So it's going to be an inherent 989 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,800 in their lives, you know, later on. 990 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,360 So that's nice, I think. Yeah, it is. 991 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,600 It is. And at the end of the day, the 992 00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,160 hobby has given me so much, you know, that we've talked about 993 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,520 that and it's just, it's given me the impetus to story tell. 994 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:47,680 I think being a dungeon master in early DM games, you know, 995 00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:51,800 early Dungeon Dragons games made me the storyteller I am because, 996 00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,760 you know, I was never one for the rules. 997 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,200 I can remember having the old red box and I would literally 998 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,000 have to make stories up on the fly. 999 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,520 And that is, you know, it's made me who I am, really. 1000 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,120 It's probably one of the most influential things ever in my 1001 00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:09,440 life because I used to, I started up making up stories and 1002 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,000 that's what I still do, you know? 1003 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,840 So it's yeah. And war game as well, because 1004 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:15,800 it's all. That's always been the purpose 1005 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,360 of what? Who are these figures? 1006 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:19,920 You know, who are these characters? 1007 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,400 Who are these heroes and what are their purpose? 1008 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,600 And that is. And the battle on the table is 1009 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,480 not about the moving the figures. 1010 00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:30,200 It's about the bat that's going on in my head, I suppose, you 1011 00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:32,960 know, and that I I see the game we played. 1012 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,440 I mean, you playing a game about a dwarf, dwarves versus goblins 1013 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,760 game, I think it was. And I can still picture in the 1014 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:42,880 head, in my head, the dwarves are on a hill. 1015 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,120 It was a last stand. I managed to get, you know, 1016 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,880 really lucky role. And you know, the bad guys are 1017 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,080 like tumbling on the hill. The dwarves are charging after 1018 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,200 them. And it's just, it's like reading 1019 00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:57,320 those, you know, The Lord of the Rings for the first time, or the 1020 00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,320 Fighting Fantasy game books and all that sort of stuff, which is 1021 00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,280 such a nostalgia, isn't it, you know? 1022 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:03,840 So I love it. Yeah, it was great. 1023 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,600 I I still remember that game 'cause I think it was this, I 1024 00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,160 think it was against Scaven or something if. 1025 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,440 I it was just even against war. Yeah, yeah, I think I charged 1026 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,880 uphill thinking I got this guy, I've got the, I've got this 1027 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:13,840 guy's. No problem. 1028 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,800 You know, these dwarf across women or whatever they were and 1029 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,880 you beat me and I started running away. 1030 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:20,520 You caught up and killed them all. 1031 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,560 It was amazing. One of those are you wouldn't 1032 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,840 bet, you wouldn't bet on them. You wouldn't bet on, you know. 1033 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,320 No, you never bet on it, but that's what can happen, isn't 1034 00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,120 it? Sometimes I love that, but those 1035 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,560 are the things that people remember, isn't it? 1036 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,560 Years later you remember that, you know you 9 times. 1037 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,120 You know the sort of games you play where you know the normal 1038 00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:40,920 things happening. You don't remember it, but it's 1039 00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,520 just you remember those of those brief moments. 1040 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:44,920 And I think that that's worth it. 1041 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,720 You know, I guess I remember things that happened in games I 1042 00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:50,840 played thirty years ago. And, you know, I think the hobby 1043 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,160 gives you that And and that's at the end of the day, that's what 1044 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:55,560 it's all about. I mean, the stuff on the wall 1045 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,840 behind you there. I mean, when we look at those 1046 00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,240 figures now compared to the figures they do these days, 1047 00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:02,600 they're quite basic. They're quite, you know, old 1048 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,240 style. But it's it's what they gave you 1049 00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:08,160 isn't at the time. I know you, I know you hate 1050 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,800 lizard men, but you've got a lizard man sort of box set 1051 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,440 behind you there, isn't it? When they came out, it was like, 1052 00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,040 wow. Doing the body thing in a 1053 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:17,240 minute. If it if it's up there. 1054 00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:18,360 No, it's not there. I know. 1055 00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:19,960 That's that's the 5th edition box set. 1056 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,440 Yeah, unfortunately. Now this is my, this is my, this 1057 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:27,080 is my if you like, how should I say it? 1058 00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,800 It's in my defense or this is my, if I'm going to be like in 1059 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,800 a, in a, an attorney in, in a courtroom. 1060 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,440 And. And say that because, because my 1061 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,960 friend, when he started playing Lisbon, he said they're the good 1062 00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:38,840 guys. And I said, you got to be 1063 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,320 kidding. They they can't be the good guys 1064 00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:41,800 are the bad guys. He said, no, they're the good 1065 00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:43,400 guys. I said, really? 1066 00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,000 He said, yeah, in the law, they're the good guys. 1067 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,000 I said, okay, well, they're they're they're basically 1068 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,160 they're a slave race under the slam, right under control of the 1069 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,160 slam. Now every single box and you can 1070 00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,440 you can be testament to this own because every single boxer they 1071 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,080 ever released for Warhammer, there's always a good faction 1072 00:52:58,080 --> 00:52:59,680 and a bad faction wasn't. It you were. 1073 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,160 Yeah, yeah, yeah. High elves, goblins, dwarves, 1074 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,200 Cavan high elves, Cavan empire orcs. 1075 00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:09,800 And then 5th edition was Britannian which you can't get 1076 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,600 more goody goody 2 shoes and Britannians against those 1077 00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:18,760 horrible yellow bellied sluts called the slam so I mean. 1078 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,160 I also like in the background, we lived on the other side of 1079 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:27,040 the world as well, having a fight, you know? 1080 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,360 Yeah, so that's that's my defense. 1081 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,480 That's my evil, evil bastards of the old world. 1082 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,640 I got a 5th edition Lizardman army, as you know, and I, you 1083 00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,120 know, I always like, I like dinosaurs and they they were 1084 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,560 always like the closest thing to dinosaurs for me. 1085 00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:45,480 So which is? Nice. 1086 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,280 Oh, that's good. I, I, I can see, I can see the 1087 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,280 popularity, especially with like Jurassic Park. 1088 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,560 I mean, you know, people who are really into that kind of stuff, 1089 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,360 they would love that. And I've got to say the Stegadon 1090 00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,000 was a great model. The Stegadon was an excellent 1091 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,560 model. I love seeing that huge big pile 1092 00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:03,840 of lead on the tabletop. It's awesome, Yeah, and all the 1093 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,320 you. Know I've got one of them, yeah. 1094 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,600 Yeah, I think it's a really impressive figure for for like 1095 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,760 production wise, you know, actually people bought it. 1096 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,200 It's amazing. I mean, it must have cost like 1097 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,080 £50 back in the day. It must have been, really. 1098 00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:17,640 Yeah, I know. Yeah. 1099 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,120 But that's a that's a chunk of metal, you know? 1100 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,640 Yeah, I've got some of the newer lizard men here, the the sort of 1101 00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,960 the age of Sigma ones. You know, it's still nice 1102 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,040 figures. You know, it's a great little, 1103 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,600 but they're dinosaurs riding dinosaurs and you can't get any 1104 00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:33,720 better than that. You know I've. 1105 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,760 Got. I've got some new, new new age 1106 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,840 of Sigma stuff I'm painting out now for a Commission. 1107 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:40,720 Yeah, which? Is totally. 1108 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,760 These drakes. Oh, fantastic. 1109 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,280 Yeah. But they're pretty cool models, 1110 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:47,880 you know, I don't mind doing that because that's something 1111 00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,400 different. I know I, I would never do that 1112 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,600 otherwise. So it's just something nice to 1113 00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,280 to work on and that kind of thing. 1114 00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:57,080 But I find it and the new figures they are, they're so 1115 00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,240 complex and they are so beautiful that unless you're a 1116 00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:04,040 good, a really good painter, it's hard to make them look 1117 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:04,920 good. Do you know what I mean? 1118 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,800 Like for for someone like me who's very much like a couple of 1119 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,800 bass players, and then wash, wash, cover the sins with wash, 1120 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:17,160 you know, right? Yeah, I can get a. 1121 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:18,840 Name. I do need the monsters, the 1122 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,280 beast man and the lizard man and things because for someone like 1123 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:25,000 me, they're easier to do. But these days the figures are 1124 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,040 so, so detailed, aren't they? That must be great for Someone 1125 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,640 Like You because you can, you know, you can spend the time on 1126 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,680 them and make them really pop. But for me that's it's hard 1127 00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:35,880 work. It is hard work. 1128 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,960 Yeah, it is. It's it's a massive difference, 1129 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,600 but from from when it was back in the earlier days to now. 1130 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,200 And I always thought about, you know, how people get into the 1131 00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,400 hobby and they first, you know, presented with this, you know, 1132 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,760 sprue with all these parts and having to put it together and 1133 00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,600 then having to paint it. Yeah, it's quite, quite a high 1134 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,280 skill level nowadays for. Yeah, it's it's intimidating as 1135 00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,520 well, isn't it, when you just see those springs? 1136 00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,720 No, it it, it's quite intimidating, you know, you. 1137 00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:02,000 Let's come. Up get me to paint for you. 1138 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:03,120 That's it. You know, that's all you need to 1139 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,360 be LED studios mate. Yeah, I will. 1140 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:06,400 Yeah, I'd love that. Yeah. 1141 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,240 Yeah, I do. In fact, I've got to be watches. 1142 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,520 I'll send you here now as well. You know, I've got, I've got, 1143 00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:13,600 I've. Got a miniature here for you 1144 00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:14,680 man. I've got a miniature. 1145 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,560 I think it's either sitting up here or one of my cases just for 1146 00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,680 you. It's a dark age Welsh commander 1147 00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:25,760 dude from Futsal Miniatures. So that's still present and I've 1148 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,560 got another one also that's like a perfect full range of shadowy 1149 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,720 like just like the best model for it. 1150 00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,960 So those two will be coming to Wales sometime? 1151 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,720 Later I love that and I'll I'll I'll definitely make a video 1152 00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:40,560 about them yeah and a story I. Definitely want to see, I 1153 00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,080 definitely want to see you do the range of shadowy please, if 1154 00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,680 you have time, if you want to do it, if the incentive's there, 1155 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,800 please start doing that again. I really enjoyed those videos 1156 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,000 and I I think other people really enjoy those too. 1157 00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,960 So if you do have the time and your and your wife gives you 1158 00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:56,800 time to sit out there in the where, where do you sit out 1159 00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:57,640 there? Again, it's like. 1160 00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,960 It's perimetry on the back of my my house. 1161 00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,880 That was the idea as well. In the winter it's freezing in 1162 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:07,120 there and it's hot in there. So I had to choose my days, you 1163 00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,800 know, to do it as well. So but yeah, I'll, I'll do that 1164 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,640 for you. I'm obviously that there's a 1165 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,440 Shadow Deep game coming up all. Right, love that. 1166 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,600 That'd be great. Now I know you're very busy 1167 00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,760 today because I know you're celebrating or post celebrating 1168 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,320 your son's birthday and you're getting family together and you 1169 00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:24,000 need to come pick someone up. So Owen, look, mate, thank you 1170 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,600 so much again for taking this time to come and speak to me 1171 00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,720 especially. I feel very honored that you're 1172 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,200 doing that for us. And again, for everybody's going 1173 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,880 to listen to the stream again, please go and check out Owen's 1174 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,280 channels. They'll be in the show note 1175 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:38,920 description here for his YouTube channels. 1176 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,960 And of course, time, time between times the podcast, go 1177 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,240 and check that as well. And I'll leave all links there 1178 00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,400 in the show description so you can check those out and check 1179 00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,360 out Owen's awesome content. Lovely. 1180 00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,040 Lovely to see you again, Josh. It's been too long. 1181 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:53,720 We'll have to. We'll talk again soon. 1182 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,280 Absolutely, my friend. OK, you take care and I'll see 1183 00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:58,920 you again soon, OK mate? Take care, buddy. 1184 00:57:59,080 --> 00:57:59,840 Bye bye. Thank you. 1185 00:57:59,960 --> 00:58:00,280 Bye bye.