From the fabled, fiery forges of the Sunderland of our Clash
comes. Confocal cast.
Join us. As we battle on the front lines
of a continent lost in darkness at the time of Ragnarok for we
are here, not for silence or slumber.
Bummer. We are here for confrontation.
Jerry tells might tell us what's been happening with what's been
going on with your life. So I'm doing a lot of production
stuff for confrontation, trying to make sure we get enough
enough terrain for the events at a depth con.
I'm also doing the thing where I try to actually paint all of the
Miniatures that I need to have for the narrative event for def
con, and that is not going as fast as I want to go.
And then as we play test the scenarios I'm like, maybe that
shouldn't be the model that we've got in this scenario.
That's kind of changes. A lot of what's going on.
So that's it's just keeping my head down and putting stuff
together. Basically cool.
Cool, cool. So we're talking about the
adaptable and event. Yeah.
And when exactly is it depth akan happening, inductor current
is going to be March 23rd through the 26th in Schaumburg
Illinois, which is right outside of Chicago.
So, we'll end of the world gaming which is basically just
me but don't tell anybody. That is going to be hosting an
event on Friday and another event on Saturday, the event on
Friday is going to be an eight-player narrative event.
Basically all of the, all of the Miniatures, all the cards are
going to be provided and it is going to be 5, never-before-seen
scenarios, which I'm trying to make reasonably balanced.
I don't think there's going to be any thing where it's like,
okay this side consists of three goblins and And then the other
side is 7, Works go, so it shouldn't be anything that bad.
But there are like I said, there's some stuff where it's
like points aren't just points. So there's tweaking going on
with that good. I like that.
And then Saturday is, is the big event that is going to be a 16
player tournament air quotes around tournament.
I don't, I want people to play, and I want people to play
seriously, but I don't want people coming in and thinking
that this is going to show as the biggest confrontation dick
in the universe. All right?
So the thing was, is I, I want I want people to play
confrontation on Saturday, I'm not looking to have people
re-litigate. What was the most broken
powerless, at the end of the confrontation life cycle, but I
want people to play and because this is, this is like the first
time in a long time that there's been an event at a This is the
first time in a long time that there has been an event where
we're kind of like inviting in you know randos and we're trying
to provide information, I am aiming to make it as friendly to
new players as possible and we'll see if that works out.
I mean if it doesn't and everybody has a terrible time
well then there's no need to run 20 24, I suppose I hope that
won't be the case because I'd love to come night at some point
and and joining with this all this pool is This fun activities
with confrontation. I've never been to a tournament
before, but even a narrative event, sounds very appealing to
me. I'm alright.
So the narrative element, I'm enthusiastic about their event
in a lot of ways. It's kind of going to be the
thing that comes the closest to me, actually getting to play
events at a depth of con, because all of the scenarios are
going to be things that I designed, you know, the, I'm
getting feedback from from a couple of people.
So it's not just, this isn't just all Jeremy, just, you know.
So there are some people who are providing some really solid Good
feedback and pointing out things that I have completely missed
because when you operate, you know, as one person, you have a
lot of blind spots that you don't recognize that you have.
So thank you to all of the people who have taken the time
to read the madness that I have sent out as scenarios and say, I
don't think that's, I don't think that's going to work out
the way you want it to, because that has been super helpful and
thank you to John and Jordan for Up with hold on.
Let's rewind this game and let's see what happens if this happens
and I'll just kind of re crunching the math and realistic
re-litigating. Some of the way the turns go to
show that, maybe how I think stuff is going to work out
isn't, you know, isn't quite there, because how things work
in my mind, and how things work on the table, might not be 100%
the same way, so I really appreciate it buddy.
Taking the time to you know to look over the stuff and say here
are concerns, please address them.
Awesome. And it's a shame that we can't
see those games that you enjoy and Jordan being playing because
I did past you before to say, hey, we're Jeremy, where's all
the battle reports? Where were they coming?
Yeah, I mean, it's some of it is real life, some of it is, you
know, just like I said, we're working on the stuff trying to
get everything ready to go for a depth of Conn.
Aye, all right, so I'm going to be totally honest.
This is the first time that I had been this profoundly And
running this type of event. I have I have been a body for
companies at conventions before setting up tables.
I've deemed individual tables at conventions for, you know, for
Dungeons and Dragons for jamming stuff, but this is from from
Soup To Nuts. This mess is going to be mine.
So if it turns out well, Thank you for all of the people who
helped me, if it turns out badly, I am the only one who
gets blamed for it and that's fine.
I wanted there to be a confrontation event at a depth
akan. So you know, be the change that
you want to see in the world. That would this be the very
first time that confrontation is represented at that a diptych
on? Or is it was it represented
before? I don't know how, I don't know
how long a depth phone's been running for adapter?
Card has been running for 20 damn years, which makes me feel
old as hell because I was at the First adaptiq on actually.
I was at the first couple of adaptive cons and this isn't,
this isn't too. Like, you know, show off my
amazing gamer, Bona, fides. I played the first couple of
adaptive cons and then I like wandered off for several years.
And then At one point it was like, huh?
A diptych on is literally right down the street from me, and
they're hosting Warmachine events.
I guess I'm going with def con this year.
So yeah, I mean, it's it's amazing.
The guys who put together a Defcon it is it is a labor of
love Adept at Windy City. I don't know if anybody out
there listening from you guys, is going to hear this but
seriously, thank you for an amazing show for 20 years.
I was, I was there when you guys I was there when you guys first
launched and you were part of the Ides of March convention,
so, Good for you guys. Yeah, it sounds like a really
exciting event. Now, you've got some people
who've already, put a put their names down and play paid their
money. Is it, is it a free event or you
to pay in advance May well? How's that work?
Okay, so adapter, Khan is, it runs on?
Kind of Akin the standard convention model in the US which
is you're going to pay for your admission badge and then you're
going to pay for individual events.
Lots there are there are some conventions that That it's just
pay for admission and then you can get into events.
Unfortunately, a diptych on like gencon like Origins.
Like packs. I think.
And those are those are three pretty big gaming conventions.
It is like I said door fee, and individual events.
Okay, cool. Alright, so if people want to
come along and attend either the tournament or the narrative and
how would they do that? So they're going to go to add
epic on.org, they can buy a badge and then they can get
slots for the events as of right now, today, being the 21st of
January there is one slot left in the narrative event and there
are nine slots left in the tournament event.
I have a friend who said that he's going to that he's Going to
pick up a spot in the tournament so there may only be eight spots
left in the tournament. I don't know, I don't know how
waitlisting is going to work and I'm going to be I'm going to be
completely honest for the narrative event that is going to
be hard cat. That ate people.
I would love to have more people show up.
I cannot due to the nature of the narrative event and do the
nature of that. I'm providing all of the
Miniatures and all of the ministers will be fully painted.
I can't go above the a player cap on that.
One if nothing else, people can come by and be like, oh my God,
people still play this game and then people can come by and be
like Patterson, you got their rule wrong and like, you got me.
So, I mean, if nothing else come by to make fun of me and don't
roll. Wow, most important means role
as many ones as you want, so that I can feel bad for somebody
else as opposed to. It just being me.
But now the narrative event is run on one day in the toilet on
the second day. Is that correct?
That is correct. The narrative event is going to
be on Friday, the tournament is going to be on Saturday, right?
Okay, cool. Now now just so that people know
exactly what addition they're going to be playing is this 3.5
confrontation rules. Yes, this is, this is going to
be 3.5. So it will be using the big, you
know, the big black book as well as the 3.5 update.
It off the top of my head. I can't spit out a website where
those guys are going to be that. You can find them immediately
but I know the confrontation Wiki has them but I don't know
the Wiki's website address off the top of my head.
I mean, we could, we could do some excellent podcasting and
just, you know, record me while I look through Google for the
confrontation Wikipedia or I mean we could just fix this in
post and just be like, boom. Yeah, there's website.
They'll leave it to LA with no links might for the wiki for
confrontation. Now, also the the tournament,
how many points is that her saliva tournament is going to be
400 AP without going to be the standard, which is the standard
size event for confrontation 3.5, we are going to be using
the UK cord 2009 packet. I mean that that was the last as
I understand At Extant. Fully Rackham supported
confrontation will set. There are people who are, like,
Jeremy, you're wrong, that wasn't the last, or that was two
years. After the fact, the difficulty
that I'm facing now is that it's kind of what I've committed to
so that that is, you know, I have laughed myself to the
wheel. Allah, Ulysses and headed
straight for the Rocks. Let's do this.
Could anybody, and And is it like a three-round event for the
tournament know? It is.
So it is a four-round events or all, right?
So it's going to be a Swiss style event and the maximum
number of rounds will be four rounds.
So I mean you guys, you guys know how Swiss tournaments work,
I don't need to explain that. Do I if if there are fewer than
60 it. All right, so if nobody else
signs up between now and the data, The tournament, it will be
a three round event because we do not have enough people to
sustain a four-round event because of house whisperings
work. So round one will have eight
winners. Round two, will be the eight
winners playing against each other which will then give us
four winners round 3 4 goes to two round round 4, which will be
the final round will go to down to one.
So the person who then wins that round will be the overall
tournament winner. Of course UK cord does have
tiebreakers and stuff so when loss is going to be the primary
determiner of you know it's going to be with moss strength
of schedule other stuff you know points, blah blah, blah.
So but there will definitely be somebody who wins / - okay and
it was repenting of wood on the day like that they get judged
best painted or best sportsmanship.
So I soft scores for tournaments.
Drive me crazy. Because I'm I'm an asshole II
never going to no no no. All right I don't like soft
scores for tournaments because At a tournament, I feel like the
thing. The thing that should be the
determiner of who wins should be, who won.
I feel like there's a lot of system gaming for certain soft
scores where people who are more gregarious, who are more
outgoing, get scored better for sportsmanship versus somebody
who might be, you know, Not as outgoing.
And I don't think that's necessarily Fair because if you
have somebody who, all right. Let me, let me, let me go ahead
and use the Twitter language. If you have somebody who's
neurodivergent and they've come out to play, but they're not
like super friendly and super bubbly if they get dinged on
sportsmanship, because they're not as, you know, cheerful and
outgoing as somebody who's like, hey, what's going on?
I brought six packs for everybody especially here.
It's like cuddle. It's a product I want to play
with actually a six-pack sounds good.
Hey look. All right.
I'm not, I am not here to judge people on their quality of their
quality is an opponent. I am here to judge people by how
they play the game so that's fair enough.
That's right. That's that's just that's just a
me thing and I'm not trying to be.
I'm not trying to be a jerk about that but I also I wanted
everybody has to be painted for an epic on.
That is an Adept kind of rule. That's not an end of the world
gaming world. That was going to be this
question. But as far as painting scores
go, I appreciate good painting. But I recognize that I recognize
that it is a skill that you have to develop and what somebody
with somebody who does painting wise, who's not a very good
painter but they're painting enthusiastically.
That may be the absolute letter. Best that they can do but again
to judge them and be like, all right, so you you were great,
you were great Sport and you want all your games, but your
painting looks like. But so instead of getting first
place, you get fourth place suck it.
Don't come back to my event. I can't, I cannot do that as a
Neo and, you know, maybe maybe that's just my my years and
years of playing war machine there.
I think there is definitely a place for for painting Awards.
Miniatures events. I don't think that it.
All right, so for this event, it's not going to factor into
the overall first place person. First place will be determined
by who wins the most games, right?
Are there are there things, you know, are there things that
maybe unofficial awards that get handed out Maybe but I would I
would love to be in a situation where I'm like, okay, so for
best opponent, we've got a 16 wait I you guys are all a bunch
of wonderful people and thanks for coming out.
That would be amazing. That would be super great.
I've never seen that happen in the event ever, because
Everybody showing up for an event is going to have their own
stuff going on. Yeah and I don't I don't you
know I don't want to penalize somebody who you know, God
forbid they got fired last Friday and then like, all right,
so I'm already paid for def con so I'm going to show up I have
no idea what I'm doing come next Monday but let's get up,
penalizing them for not being cheerful and not being
gregarious. Not, that's fair enough.
I understand - that's okay. Now Are you being sponsored by
anybody for prizes and that kind of thing?
Like, who like it? That the lucky person.
Lucky bastard. Who wins the tournament.
What are they going to win a firm handshake?
Yes, so they're all right, so I don't I don't want to say it.
There's going to be like massive prize support I have reached out
some of the to some of the aftermarket confrontation
producers. And I'm not going to name names
until you know until the day of and said, hey guys, you know,
I'm doing this, if you guys want to provide prize support, that
would be great. But this is This is entirely out
of my pocket. So all of the terrain, all of
the, all of the mats, all of the Miniatures that are going to be
used. That's that's all coming out of
my pocket. I'm not going to see a dime from
a depth of Khan and this isn't, this isn't me rattle on the Tin
Cup. This isn't me begging for money.
I None of that. This is, this is a thing that I
undertook knowing what it is, all right?
But being that, you know, end of the world gaming, is just one
bald knucklehead and his cats, you know, making making video.
Battle reports. No, nobody's, nobody's, nobody's
gonna be leaving a diptych on with a, you know, with a 10,000
dollar solid gold statue for first place.
So, if that was what you were coming out for Just go ahead and
hit the like button in the web part, golden Planet Jeremy
statute. That's that's the that's that's
should be the the the Golden Crown.
You walk out with me as a winning champion of the
confrontation tournament at that to go in 2023.
I do believe that I do believe that a depth Khan is actually
going to be providing first second and third-place metals,
that is why the tournament is 25 dollars as opposed to the
narrative event, which is $10. Cool.
So, I mean I can I can go and get you a second place metal and
show you how ridiculous they are because they're actually they
are actually pretty cool. Oh wow that is again.
Yeah this is this is a tournament Medallion that was
provided by a def con last year for an event that Jordan I took
second place in a cool. That's right man, that's
awesome. That is that is kind of more or
less the design for It varies from year to year, but so yeah.
First, second third should probably be getting one of those
and that's it. But yeah, I mean, again, I
don't, I don't want that to be what people are hung up on.
I want people to come out and play.
No, it's fine. That is done.
Yeah, I'm just joking with you might, but yeah, but it's just
John and Joanna coming out for to climb.
So, Jordan is coming out. Jordan is going to be helping me
on Friday, which is much. Appreciated and then he is
actually going to be taking ophidians into the event on
Saturday. So, you know, there will be
snake mans nice. Nice, nice, nice.
And I'm the one big thing. Yep.
Is we've got a couple of Judges lined up and nobody is going to
know what the scenarios are in advance, basically, until until
day of, I mean, they're in here but so nobody's going to be able
to Tech for what to do. Older what to do.
So go Tesla test against all of the scenarios in the packet.
That's all I can say really. Yeah all right.
Hold on, hold on, don't test Battle of The Chieftains because
that scenario is hot garbage and I would not do that to any of
you. And this isn't, this isn't like
a, this isn't like an amazing troll where I'm going around for
battle The Chieftains, No. It's Battle of The Chieftains is
not going to be in the mix because that scenario is
terrible next question. How about for newbies, like guys
who just, you know, sort of new to the confrontation hobby?
Much like your recent guest on your YouTube channel?
What's the gentleman's name again?
Is it Daniel the sandal? That's it?
Yeah. Is he coming along?
I believe that he is going to be.
I believe that he's gonna be out for that.
I am going to have so they're right there.
Going to be 8, tournament tables.
And I'm going to try to have for free play /, open play table set
up, you know, that's, that's kind of a knock would I don't
think that they're going to have us crammed in butts to nuts, but
it's going to be dependent on how much space I have available.
But like I said, I am going to have, I'm going to have some
extra space setup and Kyle from Temple of the West, maybe maybe
running some Some demos for us. So yeah.
You know that is that is the thing.
Yep. That's and you know if if he can
do that that is going to be absolutely super great and I
would love to see it because the stuff that he's been putting out
is absolutely amazing. Yep, that's been outstanding
might. So you have heard, I've heard
Whispers of that happening and little demo table of him
running, not for games, but just sort of parts of the game that
he's developing at the moment for confrontation continue.
Um, so that sounds very, very exciting as well as the
tournament. So hopefully this will grow and
expand and, you know, become more popular as time goes on
there, for you Jeremy. So thanks very much again.
Might be coming in and talk to us about it and all the very
best, we maintain and, and hope it's going to be very successful
for you. Sort of way you know I heard
that also may be brilliant. I'll be good.
I wish I could get out there but obviously my numbers didn't come
up in the lotto so I can't say that.
I be put me in my place down and booking my booking my seat on
the plane. Unfortunately let's let's sit
let's wait until next week mate. See what happens.
All right, that type of I'm coming.
It's oncoming. I'm taking Tina boar.
Guaranteed last place will come on notnot, last place.
I mean, I think I, you know, if nothing else if nothing else,
the dwarves will make it difficult for certain armies
just by virtue of how long, they, how long they stay in?
So, that's true. That's true.
All right buddy. Well, thanks again, for coming
in to talk to us about it. And if people want to register
and come along to the event, I'll leave links in the show
notes. To get to adapt to cons website.
So they can book their place and come and see you.
And the guys there and have some fun all the day.
All right, sounds like a plan. Okay, so welcome to confront
cast. This is Josh in your host and
I'm joined with goo Beltre from the from Italy.
Hey, good Walter. How are you?
Hi Josh, I'm pretty good, thank you.
Thank you very much. Yeah.
So I'm pretty good pretty excited to be in podcast today
with you. And just share some of the
latest about the confirmation of, for sure, right?
Yeah, because I asked you one, because you had some sad news to
share with the community for the confrontation app.
This is the computation Club have I should say that's been
available. Now, for about two years now,
Tomatoes, a year and a half, I think two years.
Sweet To who use there's Mark, probably move more.
Yes, it's been around for a while now.
Okay? And I remember I had you on on
my channel YouTube channel to talk about it and we showed some
video live streaming of the actual app in its infancy before
it actually was released and everyone was really excited
about it. And of course, has been out now
and many like, use as you say, like over a thousand, people
have downloaded it and using it on their iOS, or Android
devices. And yeah, so, People are
enjoying it and they using it hopefully hopefully for their
games or just building lists, or just having fun tinkering around
with it and that kind of thing and giving their feedback.
So made, how's it been going this last couple of years?
Yeah, so I can speak a bit more about that.
So initially we saw a lot of interest and bars and people
willing to, you know, contribute to the app and what alexandrine
I set up to do Who was trying to use the up as a mean, to revive
this game that we love. We believe that we wanted to
create the best way for people to get to know confrontation and
hopefully encourage more and more player that I've never
played that to, to build armies. Get to know the game and try it
out with our friends. Now, of course the conference, a
very Niche and small community, as many old game, have a super,
super passionate and appreciative People and it took
us two year to actually build the, you know, the first version
that of the app and we we absolutely crafted it because we
wanted to be very proud about the quality of the app.
We made it work on tablet on landscape but you're like make
it because again the intent was to for it to be available to as
many people as possible. And so we make an effort to
choose the right Frameworks. So that is on Android iOS and
every possible device. So it runs on many devices, low
end, high end and we've spent some time crafting and
optimizing it and we set out initially.
We had a lot more ideas around and maybe we'll use it also to
manage Collections and we've done some exploration there.
But ultimately we set to just show the rules and the games and
show what The functions and then making Army Builder, fully
aware, like, the community was super excited.
Everybody would love to have expanding it and have the
ability to also add the sub functions.
So that's not a thing that it's extremely complex to do, because
there's a lot of rules that are extremely specific for use case
and it's it's beyond what the actual engine of the up is
capable of doing at the moment. And then initially just to set.
Also some more background because we know that the
community is extremely scatter than you.
Have people playing the 3.0 people Tree in 3.5 people
playing confrontation, five of evolution which is the Italian
version of it. Confederation of course have
their own version of the rules. We decided to launch with the
3.5 which is a latest version of rock comes officially supported
and we added some limitation which are not enforced.
The the up kind of check that you are around the 400 points
Mark. But you know this there's a lot
of rules are enforced such as having a characters and stuff
like that because we believe that we want to give people the
freedom to actually if you want to make a 700 points Army, yeah,
you're gonna have an alert, but no one's going to stop you to do
that. Now if you want to have a
100-point game, you can do that too.
And so after having launched many people was very excited.
We have And at some point, I believe 10 subscribers to I
think at Peak, we had 12 subscriber which net 21 percent
of the people that actually used up.
So over the world official number that we have is 1137,
people have an account and of this, let's say you have
thousand user that created our me.
So this is roughly When we had ten dollar, it was one percent
of people contributed to keep the up free for everybody.
And we really want to double down on this work to be able to
actually Showcase this game to everybody.
Through partnering through, maybe we do advertising for the
app or advertising for the game but never we never expected to
be something for, you know, as a source of Revenue.
In fact, you know, the both professional developer and
designer is and we didn't expect any.
We know that it's a hobby that we do for love we and we spend a
lot of Time crafting this up because also we take pride in
our work and we want to make something that people love and
get to present the game at the best that we can.
So right now, Josh wearing a little bit of problem as I
posted on Facebook and Discord web, we just we over time
people, the web subscribing to the up.
Have actually dropped their support and that's very
understandable. We've been through And then make
everyone has such a hard time. Some people have lost their
jobs, so we totally first and foremost we don't bear a grudge
with anybody. We feel like the people have
contributed like one, thank them.
I think the community is stronger because of the fuel.
It contributed to the app and we opted we reach as many people as
possible but long story short right now because they are as
ongoing costs of Maintenance, this most is like the domain the
house. Testing the SSL certificate,
keeping up with update, keeping up the dark using our to
developer licenses etc, etc. And that are made specifically
for the up. It's costly.
And right, at the moment, we only have left with three
supporters and this equates to roughly 10 pound a month like
something around 10 p.m. But it's definitely not enough
to sustain the coast. All the costs that they have as
over the year over the span of a year.
So there's a high risk. We are at risk right now to
actually dry the funds of the app that we have accrued over
the years, the two years of the Nations and should that happen.
It means that probably people will not be able to create more
armies and use the service that allowed them to log into the
app. So basically what will happen is
very likely to happen is that we won't be able to actually pay
for the services that allow people to log in.
Even though it's a small amount you know it's like you have to
have the balance to pay that otherwise it will stop working
and this means that people will not be able to find their
armies, alongside their account because The service we use
condensed or the army that you create in your app in an
external database that link them to your account.
And so every time you opened up it checks that the person that's
logged in, it's a certain person and then populates their army is
into the up. So that's where we're at the
moment. And I feel I feel grateful for
everybody that's donated so far and extremely proud that so many
people are using the up. I take pride in the fact that it
started as a very small app and now we have 1,000 people using
it. That's absolutely.
I think a success for me personally and for Ali But I
also want to acknowledge that we wanted to do so much more and
due to life circumstances and family circumstances, we weren't
actually able to keep them up-to-date as much as we wanted
or make enough changes that we as we wanted to.
Excuse me. So that's a bit of a part of me.
That's a bit of a problem right now.
Where if the up actually Yeah, if we don't get enough
supporters then we are unlikely to.
I want to see will shut down the app but you know, we have to
find either Island. I will have to pay pay for the
up ourselves, which is, of course, not desirable.
And I'm not going to say it's out of the question because I
still love this obvi and I love the people I love Learning about
confront decision and are making friendship to her for this one,
it means a lot to me. And, but at the same time, I
feel a bit frustrated. You know, I have to be honest on
the fact that I was hoping that, you know, maybe more than one
percent of the people that actually use, it will be happy
to chip in and donate. Of course, there are plenty of
people that have done one or donations, but for us,
subscribers are really important because they, That's what
ultimately allow us to make more.
Let's say, you know, one good question that I always try to
ask myself well if I have 100 of people donating and, you know,
it's almost like a salary, what we'll be doing with that money,
you know, because the service is such a small amount of money,
but let's say that tomorrow, lots of people donate I
personally will want to invest in or maybe I can pay an
external developer to help us with the next 60 feature or I
can even spend some money in advertising to promote the up to
people that maybe don't ever consider that.
Confrontation is a game that they may play, because what I'm
finding is that, you know, the player, it's a very Niche game,
Skirmish the people, it's hard to get the minister so you
really get it. Into the people getting the game
to the people. I feel is the hardest part which
is why I'm grateful of all this people that are like yourself
for investing in content which allow people to discover the
game. Sorry mean speaking a lot that's
good, that's good. Think about it.
Don't worry if you're doing a great job I think yeah it would
be really sad day when the confrontation Club app is
finally put to rest without the support of the community.
So this is basically, I've asked you want Just to remind people
that if they're using it, they're enjoying it and they
don't want to see it disappear or they don't want to see those
aspects of the, you know, saving their armies on their app and
that kind of thing. Go away, please, you know, be
mindful of that. You know just make a one-off
contribution, make a day at a monthly is it three dollars,
three dollars, 50 donation, or something like that, to become a
supporter and something like that each month.
And then you'll sort of, you know, you've got, you know
basically you have an app that you can be using for the long
term in the future years and you could share that with other
people that you might come across.
You want to play very interested in confrontation and get them to
use the app and you know, extended that way in your gaming
communities and that kind of thing.
So yeah, yeah. I really hope that you do get
the support that you need that, you know, guys can fund it.
I'm sufficiently that you don't have to put any of your own
personal funds in there because I mean, you know I'm not a I'm
not a tech guy, I can just look at that app and just think, wow,
that must have just taken so long that he said two years to
develop it the amount of time you put into it and then getting
all the feedback from the community to say, okay well
maybe this is this is worded wrong or there's a typo here or
you know, there's is Miss information on this card and
then you've gone back in and done all these updates.
It'd be a real shame to see that We'll go away.
Yeah, and yeah it will be really, really shame.
And I want to be very I think one thing that I don't want to
do and I think I would never do is actually make that up paid
for which I think it really truly defeat this period for
which we've invested the time to make the up.
You know the spirit was let's make this available for
everybody for making paid for you know what does that tell
about what we're trying to accomplish.
So I I really did think that would be the wrong way to go
about this and say, Hey, you know, if people are not Finding
it out of Goodwill than I'm going to make it paid for.
I think it just defeats the purpose of the app.
And I think if presented with the Dilemma well should I, you
know, pay for that myself? Should I make it paid for, or
should I shut it down? Then, you know, I'm more leaning
towards the option of actually, you know, I'll pursue it.
I will continue this way, but never, I would never ever wanted
to be a paid for service. I think it truly defeated the
purpose of what we're trying to accomplish.
Polish yeah I know so and I'm very open about that.
It's always been this way and I think you know with build it
with very solid you know the two-year investment to develop.
This is like first of all is you know, it's not our full-time
job. We have full-time jobs so you
know the night spent on it when I was on holiday when I was when
I was taking time to do this accelerator these are never
coming back in our memory actually weirdly I Oh, I
cherish, you know, it's like a very special moment when we saw
the first version of it up, going out.
I'm very proud of that and I think You know, we built it from
the ground up with, in a way that it will be the were our way
to extend so that we support multiple rule set.
There are ways to extend it. So that for example, could
support 3.0 and 3.5 in the same up, because we can load multiple
database and we made a whole back end system.
That allow us to change the points without changing the up.
And then also, The same system that we built power the website.
So every time, for example, let's say I update the upstarts
because people find out there's a typo here.
There's a bug here or does these needs changes Etc.
That also goes and populate and build the website confrontation
that club. So I don't have to do to change
it once we build a good architecture around it because
As I said, we really wanted to make something cutting-edge
that. We are also technically proud of
which we are. It's just that.
Yeah, I guess in order for this to work, we will definitely need
more people to support, you know, and I without the people
that support, this does not much we can do.
To keep this going to be honest, I know.
So the motivation is, you know, start to kind of Shiver a bit,
you know, the motivation to keep going to make new feature to
make new things people left. As you rightfully said, you
know, people have been very demanding on you know, feeling
very strongly with want this feature that feature or and I
always said, hey, I put in the backlog and I think right now,
if I look at up, backlog, I think it does like 120 bug fixes
and changes. Hopefully over time.
It will normalize, right? It will go lower and lower at
the point where people don't find any more mistakes in point
and bugs and type ones like that.
And now we can't really focus on and because the database is
finite, we once it's fixed, it's fixed but that's the cool thing
because no one actually has a perfect and complete database of
Confrontation. What we can do and can achieve
with the communities to actually with the help of the community
reporting, these bugs and stuff like that is to have a perfect
database that have all the cards and that's published in the up
and on the website and the app builder is.
I think just, you know, it gives a lot of information.
But also, if you look at it, we take a lot of deliberate
decision into how to make it really simple for people that
don't know about the game. It's intentional that you know,
the cards are available to majors and and spellcaster in
general, only the one that they can use.
You know, you don't have to read through 23 books and million of
different cards, you only have what's available and fair
enough. Sometimes we miss okiyo you miss
this spell for this model. That's okay, we can always fix
that. But what's important for us is
that if you have to tell a friend hey Mike, pick up a
function, do you know what's the function you love?
And then give them the option that I have to play, you know,
it should be really simple and streamlined, and we really tried
our hardest to make that first time you creation as simple as
possible, despite confrontation confrontation being actually one
of the most multi layered and complex Skirmish game.
You know, you can have the fear of different spell and, you
know, maybe there are artifacts that, you know, not all
artifacts are just for Heroes octopus coming also for troops.
So it's like, there's so much rules that are actually Special
case that requires special handling and so there's a lot of
special case handling tool which is extremely time-consuming when
you when you want to do you know a system that makes and compile
an Army Builder. So yeah, I think from our end
it's a very exciting project. I wish we can spend more time
there. Unfortunately, as I said, we
both had unfortunate life event that pull us away the office.
Ending time nights mostly to improve the app, but I still
think that the as it is, it's an extremely valuable service and I
like to think that we've built the best way for people to get
to know confrontation. So I hope we can keep this up
with the community help because I really hope so too.
So if people are interested in supporting you and the
application and keeping it alive, please.
Head over to the confrontation Club website.
I'll leave a link in the show notes and then you can click on
to become a supporter and follow the links there to either give a
the guys, either a one-off payment or become a regular
subscriber and support them that way.
So it could better. Thank you very much for coming
onto the concrete cast podcast and I wish you all the best.
Thank you very much wish you all the best to you and see you
soon. And one, last question, goodbye
to it. Last time we spoke Ugh, your you
had your turn, the bolt tenable Army and your that's your
favorite faction as you're using, it is Cole's.
Iraq on the Discord. How many how many tenable model
models? Have you painted since we last
spoke about two years ago? Penis.
I was say I'm pretty bad at painting.
So I will say for maybe I'm not in pain.
I'm more of a collector kind of person.
I have actually whole like unpainted, see the modules and I
actually, you know, funny story and then I'll close it.
I, I wanted to find like a, I want eventually one of my
childhood dreams was to have it professionally painted by
someone. You know, known or renewed.
And I've contacted a Lucas Miniatures from squid, more
games. Oh yeah.
If the see if he was available for commission and paint a
Harmony, but it you know it's like a whole Army is too much.
Even at this like I want to have it display level but in saying
that II love the video, having it painted by someone that can
go above and beyond, you know, what?
I am capable of. So I enjoy painting but I also
love a good. Have a good piece of Art in this
play. But yeah, it couldn't make it
because, you know, and doing model a display level.
It's extremely time consuming and it's super busy.
So, if anybody is a fainter and maybe the model, picked me up on
the email of Confrontation Carbon on the Discovery Channel
of the confrontation club, I'm more than happy to, you know,
hear your proposal. I'll send you a box sitting
down, so that's good. That's good.
You sitting down a good thing. One thing I did though I bought
an entire mineral Army which is still in a very good, you too
amazing to me, I love so beautiful.
Such beautiful. Interesting models.
Yep. You know the app is certainly
helped me in like rediscovering my, you know, interest in
confrontation and in having obviously Paul here to play with
its rekindled, our kind of Interest in getting more armies,
getting more profiles, you know, using the app a lot more and
actually playing the game, which is the probably the main, the
main aim of what we're doing, you know, actually playing it.
So that's really good. I'm really glad that you've.
You've got your Mentor Army now, so you've got more unpainted
models. Yes, excellent.
Yeah, I love shame is skyrocketing all right, give
Alton well, thank you very much again.
For your time today, mate. I know you're very busy.
So take care and all the best with confrontation Club.
You so much and have a beautiful evening YouTube.
Thank you. Bye.
So yeah. Flavia, thank you very much for
coming onto the on, to the contrary cast with me today.
And For anybody who doesn't know like anything about you and
where you're from and, and you know what your contribution is
to the community. Would you like to give the
community a bit of an insight into all that for us?
I thought, first of all, thank you very much for having me
here. I'm always following and
listening to your podcast when the videos on YouTube.
With with Greg then die, I really appreciate them.
And thank you for your contribution to the The
community as well. My name is Flavio on online and
in the community I'm also known as a failure.
I have to say represent the it come from 23, a naval rotation
arrow in evil in in Italy. I run the page on Facebook and
and the group and I've been helping the Italian Community, I
don't know for the last Twelve years probably.
Then 12, as you probably know, evil is one of the last or
latest incarnation of the confrontation, 443, Brittany
community, and which is what I'm from.
Even if currently, I'm based in London, in the United Kingdom,
the Evo is pretty much like the Possibly 6th edition of
Confrontation, for forty thousand players.
Although, like clearly at the moment is going some up and
downs and the community has suffered a lot after the
kickstarter and failed. You know, sense.
The two runs on, like, like everywhere.
What I can say is that about evil, just to give a bit of
context is that we worked on it? As a evolution of fifth edition
and the fourth edition that followed the 3.5 in all over the
world. And in the Italian Community,
especially even after the death of Rackham was still quite
healthy. We had plenty of players and it
will follow the Italian court rules with all the limitations
on very often tournaments, were the only moment where people
We're able to play and to meet other others.
So it was quite important for us to keep on adding some balance
tournament so that nobody could get, you know, I'm frustrated or
unhappy with it. And the idea of being able to
play any kind of Army and and character and unit was, was
quite Paramount as you probably know, like, in Walling, 3.0 you,
You pretty much can't play much much magic or Mystics, because
spells are very expensive. Reverse happens in 3.5 where
you've got a. If you don't play me sticks, you
don't win. And hence why I like usually arm
is like lions are Quran. And someday are very, very
powerful and others, right? If hours or drones are usually
not performing well, and It's actually like the idea started
with short fourth edition, which I didn't contribute almost
anything was starting to rebalance the game with new
balancing rules or restrictions and changing the cost of the
various profiles. And then like through several
are iteration. We went to through the 5th
edition that again is built on on the Italian forth and then
the evil that I don't know if it's the sixth or the 5.5.
The doesn't diverse that much and given how much effort we put
into it. We decided to also translated in
English so that anyone could benefit it with and we
ambitiously try to mate a to recreator an International
Community at a time where everybody could join from all
over the world. That's why we are didn't like
somebody that was willing to take.
I think it happened to take the evil rule, set to whatever.
Icon for for being the most possible in 2016 or 2017, we had
some volunteer from Spain that started translating the rules in
Spanish and possibly somebody from France.
I think although like as you probably know, the French
Community has got a very, very strong rule set in with their
own accord version which is Really interesting as well.
I am not familiar with it, but I remember all that.
Also, the time, when we started doing the fifth and evil, we had
some conversation with them and to try to work together.
However, the philosophical decision behind the evolution of
the rules that were very different and we couldn't really
agree on what it was most important to either limit or
change. So, in the end, we were not able
to cooperate but Yeah, I think they did an amazing work and
they keep on, keep they keep on keeping the game alive in a
fantastic way. Right?
No, no, please. That's really good to hear.
I'm not really familiar with all these other variants, to be
quite honest with you. And that's why I brought you on
Flavio to. So you can talk about, you know,
how different Evo is from the core 3.0 rules that we find in a
big black, big black, the core, the core of the game is the
same. If you know the rules of 3 or 3
.5, it's not too hard to pick up.
The evil rule set. I would say, one of the main
changes that we apply these that are possibly.
The wound system is not not the same in order to make it more
approachable for new players. We remove the point level, you
know, light/medium severe. I can't remember their critical
wounds and some and we changed it with with regular numbers.
So the system of talking is is a bit lost which was an
interesting feature from confrontation.
However, this also allowed us to grow above the let's say killing
somebody with, just for runes. So some Target can have 5 6 even
7 in certain cases, We change it up with the line of sight rules
and the rules I think for charge, but is just to reduce
the how much you can lease a not cheat.
But it's like yeah to make it a bit.
More like sportive and I guess more friendly.
Let's say username your. Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. I think avoided people like
misbehaving. Yeah.
Most of the rules, like, of fourth fifth and evils addition
were kind of based on the fact that I don't know if you're
culturally or or what but it on your players are very good at
breaking the game without breaking the rules.
And as such like, in order, as I said to avoid frustration, in
new people at tournaments, what you tend to see.
Very least are media's that are very pushed to the Limit, and
you have to apply this kind of Measures to contain
misbehaviors, let's say in order not to frustrate everyone, not
to spoil the the events and as we see it tournament should be
like an opportunity for being married together and seeing
friends and party with you know apple pie board game a tabletop
wargame and not being like ultra competitive and Nest is good.
That's good to hear. And yeah.
So most of the rules are like for balancing basically.
And for avoid excessive things for example you can't in any way
you can't go above certain strands threshold like 15 unless
it's already printed on the card.
And the bonus is you can provide with spells or mutagen or
Miracles or functions rules started.
Don't stock the so you can go only up to certain values.
In order to avoid like I do nominated with strength to 30 or
or things like this, there's become like impossible to go to
stop killing machines. We made it easier to neutralize
spells and miracles according to the basic rule, you need to be
close to the Target. If I remember correctly to stop
it, instead of Nursery close to the spellcaster, not come close
to the Target. We instead change it that you
can either be close to the Target or the spellcaster.
So it doubles your chances of being able to neutralize a spell
or absorb or contrast, whichever it is.
And likewise for for face, what else did we change?
Well, I generally balance of all the miniature costs so that if
something was as a too cheap for its Effectiveness on the field
or to Pensive, they've been re-recorded.
Can you say the constant reassessed, some miniature that
were impossible to make effective?
We've been given some new effects, for example, like the
Griffon Duelists, they are, there is nothing, you can't
either you make them with a, not, not free, but either you,
you reduce their costs so much that become unfair or Or they
can't be really effective. So we decided to give them some
special ability so the to make them bit more interesting.
Although right now, I can't remember which one it was.
And then we created the new faction for the Army study and
everyone like ophidians like the farty, for example, of course,
also the factions have been rebalanced or change in order to
make them more either weaker or stronger, depending on the
needs, you had some some armies. Like I think the wall fence
We're pretty much were always using the Red Oak or the opal
because they were so good that the others make no sense to be
used. Now everything is a bit more.
I think I'll answer that. You can pick whatever you want.
Yeah, I think these are the main things.
As I said, pretty much the roots are the same.
Some stuff has been a bit updated, some abilities,
slightly changed for example, fear.
Cheers. You know that is the one that
you don't die at the end until the end of the term.
We made it a bit weaker so that you don't die until the end of
the phase. Instead of until the end of the
term because some armies, like the ruins are able to field a
lot of your Fighters and get can cause big of issues.
We are. Okay.
You another important one that there was forgetting happening.
Double six is not a kill outright anymore.
We decided to reduce the impact of luck on the.
That's also double six always in flux, at least, once it can
inflict more, the based on the table that can goes up to 27.
I think, however, if for example, if you've got a problem
or order a double six will not kill.
I don't know. An aberration or work.
It will just inflict some Owens. Likewise we rolling a one is not
anymore. Automatic failure.
It if you roll a one basically, Yuri roll again.
And the nude, the nude, a result gets subtracted from the start
you are, you're using for the test.
So, for example, if you've got a stack for you, roll a 1, then
reload, again, you get better to to get subtracted from the for.
So your test result is a to Okay.
That's interesting. All right of course if you if
the total goes to zero or less is a failure and if I remember
correctly, if you roll like a one, followed by six is
automatic failure in that case. So the automatic failure chance
stands and this was the unnecessary because the
According to our perception luck, shouldn't completely
destroy your strategy. If you're a good player it
shouldn't be that. Let's say I'm a better player on
an experienced player should be able to win just based on pure
luck against like a veteran. If it makes sense.
Oh yeah, I understand. Yeah, okay, that's right
suppose. Yeah.
I mean I quite like the exploding sixes and I like the
ones failing. I mean, it just yeah, it just
depends on the person I guess and depends how far and how
willing there. They're willing to compromise on
those kind of changes. Yeah, that sounds very
interesting. So sounds like to me it sounds
quite a big deviation from the original rules for me personally
but Really, I would say the basic rules are the same.
So like if you can play as I said 3.0 it will not be
difficult to pick up the game. You probably will not even
really a big need to read the rules if somebody explain them
to you. However yes there are of course
there are four is there are changes is it's not the same.
Yeah. Is it true that Sanskrit or sent
you a cease and desist letter to stop?
Playing Evo? Not not, not really like the
season disease just so The idea that we would they have
cooperate with them for creating the rules.
And there was an idea what they proposed is that we would even
would have become. There is a legacy rousset for
like older versions and they were developing a new rule set
that we would have helped with. So the intention was for us to
support the game food for them. However, basically they asked us
to yeah, stop. Expanding the evil community and
like instead of support them stop expanding the game until
like, you know, everything was set on their side and and we
were quite happy to cooperate with them because like it
sounded great and it was kind of like, you know, the and
knowledge meant of our effort in supporting the International
Community beside Italian one. And we were pretty Keen so we
were in touch with them. But Kind of they started
disappearing. And after we lost momentum on
our on our side of, keeping the game alive, and active with
updates, and you know, creating new profiles, new abilities and
not abilities, main pivot when you rules and so on or
balancing, the team disbanded pretty much the then we stopped.
So yeah, Let's justlet's kudos to you guys because it puts you
guys on the radar for Sansa to actually contact you and say,
hey, you know, guys stop stop playing this game, you know,
come and help us and create this Legacy ruleset.
So that's that's pretty impressive.
Thank you very much. Yeah, it was cool.
We were extremely disappointed like I think everybody the it
has been another hard blow to the confrontation.
And community and others say respectability like hard.
To take it seriously. After after that.
Now, I hope right now is able to revise or did the game and bring
it forward with continued? But yeah, a lot of people were
completely gutted by the result of the kickstarter.
Yeah, I think confrontation and Kickstarter should be two words
that should not ever go together again probably.
Yeah, it's this cursed. I think so.
Yeah, so if a bit, but let's let's go back fluffy and let's
go back to where you first started in the hobby.
Like how did you actually come in contact with miniature
tabletop gaming? So, okay, I started playing
tabletop gaming. When I was 14 15, I had a
classmate of mine first year of high school.
Spoon, that he was already collecting high heels in what a
fantasy. It's the battles and possibly
because it was a good good at convincing people, possibly,
because I like that kind of things have been always playing,
you know, video games or like in fantasy and so on, it was pretty
easy for him to drag me into what I'm a fantasy better.
What? I started collecting lizard,
man. And this was like, 98, I think
99 problem, and then you're going to the, you know, local
board game shop. Starting City's, amazing.
Miniature from different brand that I didn't know.
I remember like fire Elemental, remember, like all things in the
familiars. All very cool Miniatures.
Then after a few years like a good group of friends, we were
like, It is, we should try this game.
Like Miniatures are a stunning, and you don't need too many, so
let's give it a shot and I think it was 2004 2005, something like
that. Probably.
And I picked up the catalog yet over fantastic.
And so I started thinking about okay, which which army should I
go for? And we friends we started to
kind of split. Who's doing what and I would
like to compete undecided, but let's go for, this is my first
Peak has been assumed, you know, with the novel.
However, I quickly find out that it was alone, so I couldn't
really play your videos at a time and then I decided to go
for the dividers which were mine.
You know, big were dwarfed in crazy are more.
So looking super cool. And I think I got like the box
with the more orders were orders.
Can't remember what they're called, but really they, thanks.
And the maybe more orders and the and Zeta.
And I think as a character according to a suggestion of the
shopkeeper then I don't know if it was actually a good
suggestion. Probably probably it was okay
but other characters and other miniature were definitely more
interesting. Like the flesh-eaters the
tyrants Valerie's, the half-elf limit is the faithful from
there. Plenty of beautiful Miniatures
that I started collecting, and, and so on.
All right, we have the dirt devour has been sort of your
main faction. Yes, yes, yes.
Then when once you figure on starting coming out, so I
collected them as well. And once cut Bolin came out,
like I instantly fell in love with with the aesthetic and all
the background. Also, the tabletop RPG really
captured me. So, yeah, cut along become my My
second home at that point and collecting called the various
species that yeah we're beautiful.
So I would say possibly control and has become my that both I
would say equally the virus and several of my main armies
ophidians because of the Very small amount of profile measles
available always been a complicated Army to play.
So I played it much less and what since the demise of sense
to tour and that kind of thing have has the Evo Community, sort
of, you know, got back on its feet and start expanding again.
Or is it sort of just at the same sort of Point as it was
before? Yeah, I would say unfortunately
I more either thing pointer or Because a lot of people are lost
fighting it. And however in the last few
years, thanks to you people like Savannah technicai lesson, bit
of Faith. Hope Has Come Back and more
players in Italy are receiving the.
I know that they are doing like, kind of a mantra tournaments or
a monthly event. I think in Northern Italian with
kind of like 15, 20 players, which is not too bad.
So yeah, it's quite quite a nice to hear.
They are always a bit the same people but still it's fantastic
that they managed to find the time and energy and we'll have
to keep on playing. And it's wonderful.
And is there a sort of Eva or this confrontation to, you know,
community in the UK where you're living now?
Unfortunately? No.
Not that I'm aware of, I've not been able to play for for a
while. I'm mostly supporting through,
you know, keep trying to keeping alive the Facebook group
sharing, like interesting stories, or things like that, or
releases from something fun. Or, for example, or Kyle or
Interesting events. Like for example I did also then
I saw it. I managed to get hold of a lot
of old ravage Magazine from French.
Yeah and I scanned all the interesting Parts which are The
reach of a lot of very cool stuff.
This the people in the ravaged magazine, like, you know, the
journalists were in close contact with with recommended
time. Mhm.
So the content in there are not official per se but they were
like, done by friends of rock and so they were a regular touch
and they could get, like, informed opinion if something
was sensible or not, there was actually one minute to them, by
ravaged, that became official, which was low current And Ilan,
mercenary guy but in all these these articles there are some
fantastic scenarios for four bottles like new profiles.
I really like there is a scenario in which there is a
griphon Inquisitor that force in love with a Fionna.
And in there is a battle between Griffin and, and sis are about
like Did the Griffin aren't trying to get this guy back to
the Inquisition where there's a circle, like fight pretty much
for, for the couple to be able to stay together and the the
this Inquisitor guy, depending on the outcome, how the butter
goes that during the Battle of. If somebody dies are some
changes faction can fight for one or the other side, you've
got another scenario with the rebel Goblin pirate like a
moose. Any that breaks up the got the
pirate crew and like you've got an internal fight you've got you
got a lot of interesting stories and they are probably very fun
to play. Oh, I think ravish magazine was
the magazine I bought and I think was the English version or
a found hybrid and that sort of started, my whole confrontation
confrontation Journey from there, I think.
Oh really now I'm sure they had a, I'm sure rabbit had an
English version in Australia. I'm positive of it because I was
thinking about the other day. What magazine?
It was what title was and I and when you said ravaged, I
thought, yeah, I remember that because all the painters back
then were really hooked on getting these Magazines imported
in to Australia and I'm sure sure there aren't any English.
Yeah, it was either that or something else.
Is another magazine that followed it was like a hobby
magazine at all different, kinds of game systems and rack and
obviously was one of the most featured ones in there.
And yeah, a notice. Remember that now?
It was a really good they make it.
Yeah, I want that no one wanted him.
If there were any interesting content in the English version
as well, you know, like new profiles or things I get, I kind
of like entering a spreadsheet be in new characters or units
that in these are all 30 issues. I collected of Revenue magazine,
they created and there are like, I don't 14, you Miniatures, 40,
new profiles, something like that.
Some are clones of existing ones, but some others are very
nice. New options that can can be
playable. There is a whole scenario where
the, I think it was for C1 but easily convertible to see three
or so, where do you write the Lioness gets captured, then
basically brainwashed. And so you've got like a profile
that is evil and corrupted the for working for our Quran and
for the Undead's and Got the heroes that need to try to work
from Milan to try to rescue her. And then if they fail, I think,
or like, they win some Mission because you go to, like a tree
structure that depending on the outcome of the battles, the
story changes the pro changes and you've got like a, a certain
event happens. Like she is fused with maybe
alderon or male model, or something like that.
And click create like a something similar to The Great,
crane your Mighty, crane like a another Super Evil monster.
Mmm, let's go. Maybe this the magazine.
I'm thinking about was like a reboot or a u.s.
Edition or something like that because it has yeah it was
definitely an English and at all kinds of different game systems
and but I remember the French ones.
The French rap is ravaged magazines.
Will look very expensive and you know they had all this
wonderfully painted models in there was mainly as a painting
magazine. I think Miniature paintings.
That's great. Yeah, you're an amazing painter.
So I'm sure that was a good source of inspiration for you
might not not. Not compared to the French guys
are just blew my mind. Like, I'm really hoping to get
Martin. I just spoke to my mom on
messenger today, actually, and he still want him to come on.
At some point to talk to me about his his time with rack and
and painting with Vincent, they're in the studio.
I mean, that would be absolutely amazing.
Well, so yeah, as if For a paint out.
Anyway, that's my dream come true to speak to those guys
because they just Revolution, they revolutionize everything.
I think they change the whole industry in terms of like what
people would thought. You know, miniature painting.
Was it just turned it on its head?
I think those two guys. So yeah plus the other basically
they've been to like they are painting on canvas but that's
right. Yeah, no it's really really
good. So yeah, no, it's wonderful.
So just just a couple quick fire questions.
What is your favorite miniature in your entire collection did
you go to one side like because of How good is he is in?
Like how cool it looks pretty neat.
I don't invite this. Maybe it's one of my favorites.
It's a torrent one with the big like a trophy wreck on its back.
No that's probably nigger is a character and the Tyrant is very
elite fighter. Like 76 points is a still a big
Devourer is got Double-edged blade in one end and possibly a
head in his other end, right, heavily armored totally badass.
Otherwise, it looks great otherwise I'm thinking about for
the world or maybe what they like.
Mhm. There are some good clean your
tools that as well. The cat's amazing, miniature
say, I think yq2 I think, you know, once I saw Cadwell and
that was it. I was just like totally swept
away with that whole the imagery you know like the artwork they
had in the books in in the in the magazines and the scenery
and the models it was just incredible.
Yeah absolutely. And the quality of the RPG
manual is like yeah so high like it.
From the paper quality to the into the print, the redefinition
of the images is stunning. And I think that it today like
an S more old Hammer than anything else because you know,
Gary taubes can't contributions to the art work and when I first
saw it it really connected me with the one of the first
edition will have a role play books.
You know, I really felt that sense.
It was just very much like that, it was sort of set very similar
into that kind of parallel universe with the art, Lydia the
art Direction, and that kind of thing.
It really gave this sense that the black-and-white drawings and
everything. It.
Yeah, just really gave me this feeling that I'm playing.
Saying Warhammer roleplay, but in the Cadwell and universe kind
of thing. Yeah, Mandy yeah.
I see what you mean. I guess theme.
I've not seen it for a for some years but I have the first
edition of the Warhammer tabletop RPG Eve Italian, which
is, yeah, it is literally translate which is funny is
literally translated is called instead of being called
Warhammer basically School. The Hammers of war and, uh,
she's a bit but it's interesting because probably who Translate
That not much idea of of the game in general, but it was a
interesting actually, I played it a few times and it is
potential. Then II know that is a massive
following and at several other additions.
But even the first one was with, well done.
Well, it's one of those things. I'm going to take my bucket list
of actually playing cadwal, and I had the books.
I had the Secrets book, I had all the tiles and all the
Miniatures and everything and of course, like all that stuff,
never got. Played know people wanted to
play it. So it's one of those things that
I hope to get on the table at some point and actually play it.
It's and just experience it for myself.
I was lucky enough for a few until like two years ago.
I think here are two. Yeah, we were playing on Zoom
with some friends scattered across the across the world
after it because the game master was actually based french guy
based in Thailand, we had one player in Italy into in France
and we managed to do a good amount of of games.
Then unfortunately, the game master at some life event that
took him away from, from the game.
Hmm. But we're good fun.
The rules are a bit intricate and not always intuitive but
once you get the values to them. Yeah, exactly.
Once you get used to get the hang on, it is okay.
Especially because what is nice is that you can play a great
variety of characters and like as a roles and so on and you're
not bound by classes like in dungeons dragons.
For example, you can do a mix of don't know a fighter with the S5
inventor and okay. Interesting is interesting and
you can Pretty much, create whatever, whatever you like.
I remember I was playing at the voter that decided to it.
I don't know how familiar you are with the Lord, but basically
at some point in the long term, the divorce move from Destiny to
Darkness and my character was like, no I don't I don't agree
with this decision. So I decide to to leave and go
to the free city of karbala And I'm basically like it was mostly
a fighter, but he was also a blacksmith.
So it was creating his own armaments, his own equipment.
Well, that was the long term plan, but we didn't manage to
get to that point, but that was the idea.
That's a shame. Yeah.
But it sounds really cool. My tongue.
I'm really glad you got to actually play it.
That's great. So, you're one of the lucky
ones. See, question, have you ever
played Ragnarok? I never did that.
No, it was, I always find it. well, I thought anybody I know
there's people playing it but I Now that I think about it, I'm
not even sure I ever witnessed somebody playing it.
You know, life definitely is a Miss.
It's a myth. I think they just released a box
set of the rules and everything and there's no never played it
as apart from people in France. Maybe but yeah, it's interesting
because like even the first, I think the first Cry Havoc
magazine at a big spread on it, like a big battle report a
crime, and I think it featured several times in several of
their magazines and you could buy the army sets and all that
kind of thing. NG but I suppose just the
investment of time and the money and in my near 58.
The other person to play it with you.
Yeah. Just wasn't going to happen.
Just thinking about the like, I don't know.
You played a vote of probably you don't need that many.
That's Truth for organization but still if you need anything
20 I'm venting flesh eaters. Yeah.
Each flesh-eater was like 12, 15 Euros so you get easily too. 300
Euros for just a single units. Like it is, I don't know, since
too expensive, and I can see why Erika was trying to do it
exactly to make money. Yeah.
But myself, I was like, at the time, still either a student or
like, you know, especially out of studies, with a small salary
and ya know that all off or something like that.
Now, that's fair enough. My and is your collection
completely painted or do you have a, do you have white?
What's the ratio like painted to unpainted?
Oh, them on TV on that. I'm a very better painter.
Also I I don't enjoy it too much painting.
I prefer like playing or collecting a stone wrapped, so I
feel that if I paint my menu to some basically making them worse
than leaving them gray. So I have some some I was bad
since the what I'm going to find the better times and plenty of
my list in my lizard, men are quite old Well, I mean their
code or but they are not good-looking.
So, I painted some, some dividers I painted the tsukuba
is, I painted some stuff, but I would say, maybe I've got, I
don't know, 10 percent painted and okay.
I'm very, I'm very unsatisfied with them.
So the hope is that I know one day I would pay for some for
them painted by some professional or so, but can't
anything ever happens. Well, you can always contact me
made. If you need any painting
Services, I'll be more than happy to help you out.
Well, that is amazing when you are away, so it's true.
Yeah. Second it has been really good
to talk to you and I'm really happy that we've made this
connection and all the best to yourself in the Evo community
and I hope it keeps flourishing out there.
May not have we get more players involved and playing
confrontation. Thank you very much.
It was a pleasure having this call if you want to be Back.
Any other time? I would be glad to come back.
Sure. My thank you very much again.
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