1 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,000 But anyhow mate, look, it's really good that you come onto 2 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:12,720 the onto the podcast. I'm really happy. 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,200 Like I said, I'm really happy Anybody who says, yeah, I'll 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,160 come on the podcast and have a chat with you or whatever and 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,400 take at the time of their day to come and chat with myself and 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:22,920 the audience at the Crown of Command. 7 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:28,480 But mate, you've been quite prolific in making terrain. 8 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:34,160 I have, yeah. I sort of started doing like 9 00:00:34,160 --> 00:00:38,800 kind of 3D models for my own 3D printing. 10 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,880 I started 3D printing like nearly a decade ago. 11 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,880 I bought a really cheap I bought a really cheap 3D printer 12 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:50,200 because I've I've got a history of through my work through 3D 13 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:54,000 modelling things. But normally just digitally 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:01:01,200 there's no physical stuff and I I just started tinkering with it 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,920 messing around with it and and then when I got back into the 16 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,800 hobby I discovered obviously that there was loads of things 17 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:13,120 out there you could print. And being me I was never quite 18 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,120 satisfied with what anyone else had designed. 19 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,920 So I started designing my own and putting stuff out there. 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:23,200 But yeah so I think the stuff that that that you you were 21 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,400 quite interested in the Bastian which is like a take off of the 22 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:34,920 old the old 90s kind of studio model that they had a few 23 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,880 changes to it. I've I've tried to I've given it 24 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:41,680 a bit of battle damage and a little bit of reinforcement and 25 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:46,560 I redesigned the ramp at the back because I spent ages 26 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,480 digging through the digging through like old white dwarfs 27 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:55,200 and old rule books and and army books Codex's and stuff like 28 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,920 that. Trying to find a picture of the 29 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,600 back of it, it was really difficult. 30 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,760 And then when I did, I discovered that the ramp at the 31 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,160 back was like a ski slope. And I was like, I'm not putting 32 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,320 any miniatures on that because they'll, it just rolls straight 33 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:13,360 there and you know, So yeah. And I did, yeah, I did the kind 34 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,760 of 3D version of the old cardboard ruins. 35 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:19,160 Yes, I saw those. They're great. 36 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,760 Yeah, awesome. It was that again, that was just 37 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:27,000 because I, I I went online to look at the cost of getting a 38 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,560 full set of the actual cardboard ruins and I was like, I'm good, 39 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,320 thanks. I'll go make my own, you know, 40 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:40,280 I'll go design my own and I like to do it so that it's it's all 41 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,280 for like FDM print. And that's what I like what I do 42 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,400 with, like I just have an end of three. 43 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,880 Now I replaced my very cheap old one with an end of three because 44 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:58,600 it was just starting to wear out and so, So there's nothing you 45 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,840 know like and all my models are printed on that and I designed 46 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,640 them so you don't need to use supports. 47 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,880 So there's no major overhangs or you print it in parts so that 48 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:11,400 you can put it together with. Any overhangs are taken by the 49 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:16,240 the way you print it, because printing with FDM you get kind 50 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,840 of rough edges where the supports have been. 51 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,400 It's not perfect kind of underneath things. 52 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,960 So if you've got like a square door frame, you might be able to 53 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,680 bridge across, but if you've got a support underneath or you've 54 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:35,520 got something that's overhanging like that, you need to, it's you 55 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,440 need to have something underneath and you pull that off 56 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,520 afterwards and it just leaves a bit of a rough surface 57 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,520 underneath. So I've, I hate that. 58 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:46,520 And so everything I do is designed to be printed without 59 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,840 these because that just comes out cleaner. 60 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,800 But yeah. You keep looking over there, 61 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,000 mate. That's, I'm assuming all the 62 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,480 terrain sitting on the table over there. 63 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,240 There is, yeah. The Bastion is sat right over 64 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,280 there so you can look across my message. 65 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:01,720 It's a it's a gorgeous piece of dress. 66 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,840 So as as far off in the distance over there. 67 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:12,640 But yeah, yeah no it was really fun to do as well actually. 68 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,839 I I just it's just something that I enjoy doing and yeah I 69 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:20,399 was I started doing it for myself and but I kind of like 70 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:23,000 the extra bit of challenge of trying to make it so it's nice 71 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,080 and easy to print for other people and what have you kiss 72 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:29,680 because I like making things difficult for myself. 73 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:33,920 I'd imagine. I know, I know my my good friend 74 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:38,560 Carnifex is a a fan of yours and he he he printed those, you know 75 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,880 the the card stop buildings that you made and they paint it 76 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,960 really nice too. They look really good, so. 77 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,920 No, they they he he did, he did a nice job of printing them and 78 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,120 and painting them. So it was that it's really nice. 79 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,320 I don't I don't see a lot of it. It's always really nice to see 80 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:58,920 you and someone's been like making my models, it's it's it's 81 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,840 very satisfying. So it's always it's always nice 82 00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:05,480 to see people sharing them so. Yeah mate, that's it's a lovely, 83 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,680 lovely thing if you can create something and I don't know what 84 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,840 programs you're using to do it, but yeah, to something. 85 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:15,240 And yeah, I'm really surprised. You've been doing it for 10 86 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,520 years, like almost a decade. Is is printers been around for 87 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,240 that long? 3D printing's a really old 88 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,240 technology, actually, Really. So it goes back to the 70s, but 89 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,840 it's always been so he's been like that. 90 00:05:26,840 --> 00:05:29,760 It was about 10-15 years ago, it started being a thing where 91 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,760 people started making kits that you could build at home, right? 92 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,760 I think who was it? There was a company, I can't 93 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,280 remember now. There's a company who who 94 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:41,400 started making just like here you can make a thing that you 95 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:45,320 can print at home and it's it's like one of the reasons that the 96 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:54,360 filament is .75 millimetre diameter is because it was it 97 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,440 was originally they were built to print with strimmer. 98 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:00,840 You know, you get the the kind of strimmer for doing the edges 99 00:06:00,840 --> 00:06:05,360 of your grass and it's got this kind of wire that you pull out 100 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,400 of the bottom of it. Right, OK. 101 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,520 So to make the kind of blade that does the trimming, yeah, 102 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,040 that was what these kind of early home printers were 103 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,000 printing with because there wasn't anything else. 104 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,600 So they were just melting like this stuff. 105 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:21,280 So we. Call we call Wicker snippers in 106 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:23,400 Australia whipper sniper. All right. 107 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,840 I've never heard you guys have got, you guys have got like, 108 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:31,040 great names. Yeah, the old whipper snipper 109 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,440 bloody hell. Whipper snipper cord. 110 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,840 Holy shit for a thought. There you go. 111 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,640 That's why it's that diameter that's the kind of standard 112 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,240 Bringers, because it's the same for that, yeah. 113 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:47,200 But yeah, no, it's it's great. I think I've said all the 114 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,200 places. I just love being able to pick 115 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:55,680 things out of my imagination and have them exist. 116 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,080 All of a sudden in front of me. It was always one of the things 117 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,600 I liked about doing like 3D artwork was that you know you 118 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:10,400 kind of take things and you make them kind of real and but yeah, 119 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,880 now doing it actually kind of with a physical with a 3D 120 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,400 printer, it just gave a whole new kind of dynamic to it and 121 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,080 I'm I'm sometimes far too ambitious. 122 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:25,280 I've got about 20 half finished projects on my computer but that 123 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,120 I'm still trying to figure out kind of logistically how you 124 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:32,480 make them. But but yeah, I like doing done 125 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,120 a few vehicles as well as scenery. 126 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:40,760 I did like a kind of redesign of the old battle wagon and 127 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,360 something that I'd always wanted actually despite the fact I 128 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,720 don't collect appeal guard as the do you remember the very 129 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,760 first epic Lehman Ross? Yeah. 130 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,360 There was a really, really early one that didn't look quite like 131 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,240 the kind of one that we all know now. 132 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,880 It had like ball sponsons and things like that. 133 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,320 Like the sponsons were like spheres with the guns sticking 134 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,160 straight out the side and it just had a slightly different 135 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,840 shape and profile. And so I was like I'll do a 136 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,120 version of that as well. So in 28 mil. 137 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:18,600 So because I always find that the kind of the Lehman Ross that 138 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,600 came out in the 90s doesn't look quite right with the old Rogue 139 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:26,680 Trader Imperial Guard, there's something not quite right about 140 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,960 the style of it. It's much more of the kind of 141 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,600 90s style rather than that kind of late 80s Rogue Trader era. 142 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,120 So as like I wanted to make a Lehman Ross that looked like it 143 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:40,120 fitted in with like the old the the original Rhino and Predator 144 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,560 and the original Land Raider. Love all those kids, Love all 145 00:08:44,560 --> 00:08:46,040 the Markons. They're great. 146 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,680 Yeah. Well, I might actually have your 147 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,680 Your Land Raider then, if that's the one that I have here that 148 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:55,240 you designed. I think I might have your your 149 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,760 design, Inmate I. Think No, no, I didn't. 150 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,760 There was a Lehman, Ross. I did not a Land Raider. 151 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,360 Sorry, the Battle Wagon Battle or Battle Wagon? 152 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,520 Did you do that one as well? I did one, yeah. 153 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,800 There's quite a few out there. I might it might not be that one 154 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:14,760 but that was that was I think when and I did the I did the the 155 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:17,560 old Cardstock bunker as well. I think that was the first thing 156 00:09:17,560 --> 00:09:19,520 I actually didn't release. Do you remember the what was? 157 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:22,480 It right? Is that the 1:00 I've got? 158 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,480 I think kind of fix sent me a whole heap of stuff and I 159 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,360 painted recently if that, if they're the same ones that you 160 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,400 did. I don't know if it is. 161 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,360 Again, it's one that there's a few of them out there. 162 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:36,280 But my mine I think. I think, I think I oh, I I did 163 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:40,280 see you used the ones in the were they in your Gene stealer? 164 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:41,880 Yeah, that's the one. Subtle report. 165 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,080 Yeah. No, they're they're different 166 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,240 guys. I think they I. 167 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:47,400 Don't know. Yeah, yeah. 168 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,560 I I saw those and you you would have had to use supports to 169 00:09:50,560 --> 00:09:53,000 print them on an FDM printer. I think Carne FX has done them 170 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:53,960 in resin for you. I don't. 171 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:55,880 Know. Yeah, no idea. 172 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,560 I just get them sent in a box. I have no idea where they come 173 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:00,800 from, how they printed. Who prints them. 174 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,560 I have no idea. I mean the, I mean the. 175 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,800 So are you planning on getting into 3D printing yourself? 176 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:08,040 Then What's that? Well, that's an interesting 177 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,320 thing because obviously it's the big bugbear in the room and it's 178 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:14,880 out there. It's it's being used by people. 179 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:20,920 Even today I was watching something on Instagram with John 180 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,360 Stallard of all people from Warlord Games, with his 3D 181 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,080 printed camels that he's using in some of his, one of his 182 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:31,040 Arabic renaissance army or whatever, whatever the hell it 183 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,280 is. But even he's using printed 184 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,600 models, you know, so it's just they're everywhere and on 185 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,160 Kickstarter. I was on the Kickstarter for the 186 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,640 Futsal Vikings range, and I haven't been to Kickstarter for 187 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,000 a very long time, many years, because I've just just been not 188 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,480 interested in Kickstarter at all. 189 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,920 But then I saw other it gives you some kind of related 190 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,520 Kickstarters based on the thing your your search. 191 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,680 And a lot of all the other Kickstarters that related to 192 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:05,040 that in miniatures are all through 3D printing. 193 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,600 You know World War 2, it's, it's fantasy, it's it's science 194 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,440 fiction, it's everything you can think of, anything that's 195 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,920 modeled, that's created, it's done through 3D printing. 196 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:19,600 So obviously it's it's come leaps and bounds since I first 197 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,600 heard about it, which it would have been, I don't know how 198 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,320 long, five years ago, six years ago, it seemed to be more 199 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,400 prolific then people were getting them in their homes and 200 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,520 you know people were printing things and that kind of thing. 201 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,640 So obviously it's it's becoming more and more prevalent now in 202 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,800 the war game industry and whether they're using it to 203 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:43,720 print out test models and then that model is then cast and then 204 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:48,800 made into metal, I don't know. But yeah, for terrain it seems 205 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,400 for me like a really good way of doing things. 206 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,040 Because it's definitely, yeah. Great designs out there for 207 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,840 terrain, Not, you know, just your stuff and other people's 208 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,400 stuff. The Barrens war thing I really 209 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:02,920 like, but it's all STLS and there's things that I think the 210 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:06,840 3D printer can do that I just cannot do by hand, even though I 211 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,960 really respect the old style of making terrain by hand using 212 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:12,840 materials. But I think the 3D printer 213 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,000 delivers something that you just cannot do. 214 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,800 I think I think both of them have their place to be honest on 215 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:23,680 the tabletop I I I think I shared some like you know like 216 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:28,480 kind of rock stacks that I made with the Wii one recently. 217 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,680 You know these kind of big kind of towering rock formations that 218 00:12:32,680 --> 00:12:35,560 you used to get in in White Dwarf in the 90s. 219 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,480 And I made some of them just out of pizza boxes and tissue and a 220 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:46,320 bit of sand recently and they look great, you know, and you 221 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,040 could you could 3D print something like that. 222 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,640 But it's it's still nice just to sit down with some glue and a 223 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:57,880 pair of scissors and turn a pile of recycling into into some nice 224 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,960 terrain. You know it's so and and it was 225 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,960 great sitting down. Like I say, I did it with the 226 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:07,880 wee one and she's quite happily kind of splodging glue on and 227 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:14,160 making a bit of a mess. So yeah and yeah. 228 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,800 So I think, I think both, Both ways of doing terrain, 229 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,560 certainly. But 3D printing, yeah, it gives 230 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:24,680 you for doing between buildings and things like that where 231 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:27,160 you're going to spend ages trying to kind of get you all 232 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:31,200 your bits of plastic card or card cut neatly and then stuck 233 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,560 together and things like that. It can, it can just take a lot 234 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:37,160 of that kind of hassle out of things. 235 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:43,560 So yeah, so I think I need to get some more terrain on the go. 236 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:47,040 It seems to be kind of the more popular stuff on my on my cults. 237 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:47,640 Not that. Not that. 238 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,320 Not that I've made a lot, not that a lot of people are 239 00:13:52,320 --> 00:14:00,400 downloading it, but I think so. But yeah, I'm not. 240 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,440 I don't think I'm going to be making a career out of it 241 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,160 anytime soon, put it that way. I'm happy. 242 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,760 I'm happy you've got a job in the industry where you're making 243 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,720 3D models and that kind of thing. 244 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,880 I did try that newly for one semester and boy oh boy by the 245 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,760 end of it I was about to throw my computer out the window mate. 246 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,640 I was so I was so pissed off with it. 247 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,320 I I forget what the what the program was that I made it, but 248 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,960 I actually did. I did something related to my 249 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,160 hobby. I I made a anvil and I made the 250 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,600 the runesmith's helmet, hammer and shield based on the 4th 251 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,960 edition model and that was all OK with the with the instructor 252 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,280 and everything like that. That was fine. 253 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,600 So I did it all. I'm trying to think of the 254 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,040 program now, but I can't remember the bill. 255 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,560 It's just a pain in the ass. And I just thought, I never want 256 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,640 to do this ever again. So I respect people who can make 257 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,560 models in those kind of programs who have the mind for it. 258 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,560 There's there, there's a certain level of patience. 259 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,680 And I hear that Brodiak, when I talk to him over in Norway, he's 260 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:04,720 talking about that process of making or making the supports on 261 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,000 models. And that kind of thing is is 262 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,240 just as relaxing as painting for me. 263 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:09,880 It's not. It's just not for me. 264 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:13,640 I mean, I've tried it, I've given it a go, but it's just not 265 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,480 my cup of tea. And but I respect yourself. 266 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,120 Who can make these things? Yeah. 267 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,720 And I, let's say I had a there was a thing when I was in school 268 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:24,960 that, you know, I don't know if you get like graphical 269 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,560 communication or whatever Australians call it. 270 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,080 That's why you're doing like tacky drawing. 271 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:31,720 Technical, technical. Stuff like technical. 272 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,520 Drawing. And it was like the first class 273 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:38,120 of that. And I'd missed the first week. 274 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:42,000 I think I'd been ill And they sat down and they they give you 275 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:46,320 this big wad of a three sheets of paper and you've got like the 276 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,840 front, the back and the side of a shape and you've got to draw 277 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:54,640 it in an isometric on the page. And my mate Simon was next to me 278 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,040 and he was like, oh, you're going to struggle to catch up. 279 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,160 This is really difficult. And the teacher comes over and 280 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,880 says right, OK, shows me how to do the first one, he says right 281 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:03,960 let me know how you're getting on. 282 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,920 And about half an hour later I'll put my hand up and the 283 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,480 teacher comes over and goes, oh Callum, what can I help you as 284 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,840 you know, as what you what you struggling with. 285 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,760 And I went, I've finished these and he looked at me and he went, 286 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:24,400 that's a terms work. It was just it was something 287 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:29,400 that just immediately clicked in my head is just 3D 3D shapes and 288 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,320 things like that. And so that's, you know, that's 289 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,680 why I've ended up doing it as work and why I quite happily do 290 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:41,280 this. So but yeah no it's I never 291 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,880 thought I would like if you'd told T like teenage me back in 292 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,200 the 90s that I was going to be making miniatures of my own 293 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,240 design at some point. I wouldn't have believed you. 294 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:57,600 But it's it's someone I'm very proud of and as I say, I don't I 295 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,960 don't necessarily think it's good it's it's something that 296 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,240 I'll be making a career out of. But it's really nice to see 297 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,760 other people enjoying them though and it's that's why I 298 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,200 like to share them, is just to see other people doing it. 299 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,200 So that's a cover the cost of all my filament. 300 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,359 Yeah. And I was going to say you've 301 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,440 been very, you know, you've been very generous in sharing a lot 302 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,720 of your files. Now this is through 3D Cult, is 303 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,280 that right? Yeah, right. 304 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,319 OK. So yeah, if you look at Doctor 305 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:29,520 Spoke or if you look at Oldhammer, they're all tagged as 306 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,400 Oldhammer because they're all kind of like 90s, late 80s, 307 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:36,920 nineties kind of designs. I'm just finishing up a couple 308 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,600 of Chaos tanks at the moment. I don't know if you remember 309 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,320 there were these old epicasts, kind of resin ones that were 310 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:49,440 made in the 90s that like a a rhino and a predator. 311 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,680 But they've got like skulls all over them. 312 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,800 It's like a lot of the, you know, like big skulls, big 313 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,320 stupid, kind of weird skulls on them. 314 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,160 And I really like that. And I thought, you know, I'm, 315 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:05,720 I'm putting together some emperor's children very slowly. 316 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,560 And I thought, you know what I need? 317 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,560 I need a rhino because. And so I thought I'll do one of 318 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,880 those and I really enjoyed it and I thought I'll do a Predator 319 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:19,520 as well. So it's kind of a mix of the the 320 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:25,400 Epicast resin kit and a bit of the original Predator and 321 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:31,000 original Rhino, and then just my own stuff thrown in on top 322 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:33,880 because I like to add something to myself to these things, so. 323 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:35,880 Oh cool. I'll look forward to seeing 324 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,480 those designs that sounds very interesting. 325 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,280 I the epicast. Is that not armour cast? 326 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,680 Is that something different? There was similar kind of 327 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,720 company I I don't know if they were licensed like armor cast 328 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,440 was. All of that stuff was sort of 329 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:55,800 looks close enough to be used in a game but not like that's not 330 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,320 like the like the armor cast Bane blade which was just 331 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,920 basically a scaled up epic bane blade. 332 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:07,480 And the the the armor casts gargant as well. 333 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,520 Christ, I love it. It's enormous. 334 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,400 It's like 2 foot tall, that thing, because I don't know 335 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,880 where I'd keep that. So imagine putting that on the 336 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:18,720 table in Games Workshop in the 90s. 337 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,640 It's like, yeah, sorry, this doesn't actually fit into the 338 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:28,560 deployment zone. I think, I think they used those 339 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,760 during, I think I talked to people like that this bit 340 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,520 because I think maybe people have missed it or never saw it, 341 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:39,520 but they actually played at games day, epic scale games 342 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,280 using 28 mil models. So they had like the, you know 343 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,920 the the 20 because in epic scale obviously it's six mil, but they 344 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:51,720 made it in 28 mil using marines, you know 5 to a base everything 345 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,280 was exactly the same but just upscale under 28 mil. 346 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,880 And I think they used those those armour casts gargants and 347 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:03,800 Titans during those games day demonstrations because it's more 348 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:07,240 of a participation thing. You could get up there on a on a 349 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,960 on a table and start walking around and moving the guys 350 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:12,440 around. So it was quite funny to see 351 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,400 those photographs now, but. Yeah, I remember seeing things 352 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,120 like that at Games day in the 90s. 353 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:21,240 I think I went a couple of times and pressed my nose up against 354 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,240 the glass of all the Golden Demon Entry. 355 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,920 So I'd have been. I wouldn't have been that old at 356 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,360 the time. I was just like, there's the 357 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:34,560 local Carlisle Games Workshop, organised a bus and you all got 358 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,320 to stay overnight upstairs in Games Workshop and then set off 359 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,320 at like 3:00 in the morning to get down to Birmingham or 360 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:44,480 something in time. Yeah, that's the kind of like, 361 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,280 it's the kind of nonsense you just couldn't do these days. 362 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,200 You know, There's no way that, like, we're just going to leave 363 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,360 like kind of 20 to 30 small children with two random guys 364 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:58,760 that work for games, work jobs. I never did that like a 365 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,760 sleepover at Games Workshop. Wow. 366 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,880 And if I was a Kidman, I mean, I'd be like this, a dream, you 367 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:06,320 know? No, I think. 368 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,480 I think I just ate sweets like mad and I don't think I slept. 369 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,200 I think I remember, I think on one of them my dad picked me up 370 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:19,200 from Carlisle at like kind of probably like 9 at night after 371 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,520 after the day. And he was just pulling off onto 372 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,040 the motorway outside Carlisle. And I was chatting tent at the 373 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,520 Dozen, and halfway through a sentence I just fell straight 374 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,480 asleep because I just hadn't slept the whole time and I'd 375 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,240 just been gobbling sweets and high on sugar non-stop. 376 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,680 Yeah. I'm glad you still remember that 377 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:41,240 then. That's lovely. 378 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:44,800 That's a good memory. Yeah, that's that's. 379 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:48,680 I have a lot of fond memories, a bit like kind of Games Workshop, 380 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,560 and I used to go there every Saturday with my mates and play 381 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:57,960 games and paint miniatures and take part in silly competitions. 382 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,760 They had a thing called There was there was a weekly 383 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,040 competition called the Feely. Box. 384 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,160 Oh, tell. Me, it was a it was a cardboard 385 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,720 box with a hole in the top of it. 386 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,760 And they would put like something like a miniature in 387 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,440 it, and everybody would take it in turns, put their hand in the 388 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,040 cardboard box and they had to say what the miniature was. 389 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,520 Right. And then at the end, whoever 390 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:28,120 guessed right or got closest could decide if they wanted what 391 00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:31,320 was in the feely box or the mystery prize. 392 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,840 And sometimes the mystery prize would be like a box off the 393 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:38,320 shelf, or sometimes it would be something worse than was in the 394 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:39,600 feely box. So you never knew. 395 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:46,080 So, but yeah, no. I remember like, I got like the 396 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,800 Terminator for my Wolf Guard with an assault cannon, came out 397 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,880 of the feely box because I was like, I need it's actually, I 398 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,320 did it. And that's like, I knew exactly 399 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,440 what it was. And I said it's a it's a 400 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,280 terminate with an assault cannon. 401 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,280 The assault cannon's just slightly sitting slightly low. 402 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,880 And then they jokingly went, Oh yeah, and what what chapter is 403 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:07,480 it? And I went and they just looked 404 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,160 and felt it a bit and I went, that's Ultramarines, isn't it? 405 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,440 It's like just joking, like, you know, you can't tell at all. 406 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:20,120 And they turned out it was and they were just like and they 407 00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:22,120 went, do you want the, do you want what's in the feely box or 408 00:23:22,120 --> 00:23:23,640 do you want the the mystery prize? 409 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,520 And I'm like, no, I need that for my wolf guard. 410 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:26,960 I'll take the Terminator. Thank you. 411 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,320 And and they went, that's the right choice this week because 412 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:34,120 the, the mystery prize was the terminated which was a skull 413 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:38,320 stuck to a 25 mil base. That was what you would have got 414 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,240 instead. So that was like a booby prize 415 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,760 that week. So no. 416 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,080 Yeah. Great fond memories of of all 417 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,600 that kind of thing. And I kind of the world's so 418 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,480 different. There were Games Workshop kind 419 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,600 of that. That just doesn't happen there 420 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,320 anymore, so. No, no. 421 00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:57,960 So it doesn't. And then we're going to go for a 422 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,440 quick ad break. And when we come back, we're 423 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,400 going to talk more about your history, about how you got into 424 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,680 Games Workshop and what laid down this this radical path of 425 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,840 collecting miniatures and sleeping over before Games Day. 426 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:13,120 So we're back in just a moment. If you are enjoying this podcast 427 00:24:13,120 --> 00:24:15,600 and the content on the Chronic Command Games YouTube channel, 428 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,560 then please consider supporting me on Patreon. 429 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,640 Becoming a Storm Boy allows you access to behind the scene news 430 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,360 information of upcoming podcast guests and themes, video battle 431 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:30,520 reports, and occasionally exclusive podcasts with special 432 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,360 guests or fellow patrons. And coming soon are painting 433 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:38,520 videos which we made to give you the skills and tips on painting 434 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,400 in the red period using modern paints and practical 435 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,640 applications. And you can also access one to 436 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,320 one painting lessons in the heavy LED Master class tier for 437 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,480 a 40 minute personalized painting lesson. 438 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:56,800 So check out patreon.com/the Crown of Command podcast. 439 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,520 How did you actually get into the games which you've probably 440 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:05,760 made? I and my my brother collected 441 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,680 it. He's what, about six years older 442 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,560 than me? So when I would have been kind 443 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,840 of, you know, 678, I still hadn't kind of starting to 444 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:22,840 collect all these things. And yeah, I I would steal his 445 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,920 white dwarfs and read them and things like that. 446 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,720 And then as he got into his late teens, I bet he he kind of moved 447 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,360 out of the hobby and I basically inherited all his stuff. 448 00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:38,480 So I was left with a load of kind of late 80s, just a big mix 449 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,920 of stuff. I remember I had bits of Space 450 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,400 Hulk, I had bits of old Warhammer fantasy, I had kind of 451 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:53,520 old bro trader stuff, bits of yeah, I had the space crusade 452 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,160 dreadnought, but I don't think I had any other bits from space 453 00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:02,640 crusades and things like that. So you know, just just just a 454 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,520 big mix of things. And he'd he'd mainly collected 455 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:13,440 walks and goblins fantasy, because I think he'd got the was 456 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,200 it 4th edition that was the high elves and goblins. 457 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,160 Yeah he'd he'd got that starter set. 458 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:27,520 And so I got all that as well and that led me on to ended up 459 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:33,840 with like in in the in the mid to late 90s probably 9697. 460 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,000 I had a 5000 point open goblin army. 461 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:42,360 Wow. Yeah, I didn't know anybody who 462 00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:44,600 could actually field an army to take it on. 463 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,960 And mostly painted as well. Not necessarily very well. 464 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:57,480 But yeah, I just, that was just what I I any time it was a 465 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,320 birthday or I got any money, it was then Games Workshop get 466 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,400 something new. And also because I was in the 467 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,480 Games Workshop every weekend and entering all these competitions 468 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:15,120 at at Win stuff as well. I think in the late 90s I 469 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:19,240 entered a painting competition with some Space Wolves and I was 470 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:26,200 it was the under sixteens I entered and I think I probably 471 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,640 was 16 at the time or something like that. 472 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:35,920 And I entered with a squad and I won the the squad and then I won 473 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:41,240 the the the kind of overall for under sixteens and then I won 474 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:47,400 the overall for the whole day. So trifecta mate I think I think 475 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,040 I'd put in a lot more effort than everyone else. 476 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,040 Like I'd made a a scenic base for the whole squad and I'd 477 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:57,400 painted up a banner and you know and I'd made it all specifically 478 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,720 for the painting competition. And I think that gave me quite a 479 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:00,920 lot. Like other people had just 480 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,000 turned up with some of their miniatures that they played with 481 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,000 there every weekend. And I think the staff were a bit 482 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,520 like and this guy's put in some more effort. 483 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,440 So. But basically my dad had given 484 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,280 me my train fare and enough money for some chips for my 485 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,800 lunch. And I came home with like two 486 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:22,800 boxes of I bought no box of units, an army box. 487 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,520 So I've got a box of units for winning the kind of squad. 488 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,480 I got an army box for winning the under sixteens and I got the 489 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:34,080 box set with all the paints in and all the brushes and 490 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,880 everything that was like back then was like £125 or something. 491 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,680 And I I got off the train with my arms full of boxes and my 492 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,320 dad's like, where did you get those from? 493 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,640 There's like taking fresh credit cards. 494 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,640 Yeah, I didn't nick them. I'm not sneaking out of the shop 495 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,240 with my arms full of boxes, AM. I didn't do them a chip money 496 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:56,840 then. Right. 497 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,080 Yeah, brilliant. So, so I would be entering like 498 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,400 and I did like fancy dress where I dressed up as an Imperial 499 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,440 Guardsman and me and my dad made this Las gun for me to take with 500 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,600 them and I think I won stuff for that. 501 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,040 So, you know, putting in the effort and the time meant I 502 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,960 could actually get quite a big lot of miniatures even on just 503 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,960 kind of teenager amount of money because, you know, we weren't, 504 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,320 we weren't rich or anything. So my parents weren't splurging 505 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,200 lots of money for me to get all these miniatures. 506 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,280 So, you know, I'd get Christmas and birthday presents and and 507 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,080 then it was just what I could get with my pocket money the 508 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:41,480 rest of the time. So, but yeah, no, I had that. 509 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,200 I had Spacewolf Army, funnily enough, as the ones that I 510 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,000 didn't have the competition. I had a space orca army that was 511 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:55,080 also quite big, including the handmade garden made it just 512 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,880 made out of cardboard, yeah, just it was back then and they 513 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,000 they let you play it in the shop back then. 514 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,760 You know, if you you they they they weren't. 515 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,720 They weren't that fussy about what you turned up with as long 516 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,480 as it was painted. You bring chips. 517 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:11,960 You were right, mate. You were fine, yeah. 518 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,640 I think I think I only got to play that was they put out the 519 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,400 there was vehicle creation rules for 3rd edition in White Dwarf I 520 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,920 think or something like that. So you could make any vehicle 521 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:30,120 you wanted. And I was like great time for me 522 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,800 to go mad building building nonsense and and I can take it 523 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,600 into the shop and I can go. I've got official rules for this 524 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,840 because I think it was Andy Chambers put it together. 525 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:48,160 So I mean I played 4th and 5th edition fantasy and I played a 526 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:53,960 bit of 2nd edition 40K, but just because of my age at the time, 527 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,600 you know, you're not necessarily playing all these things quite 528 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,000 properly. And I think the first time I was 529 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,880 playing anything properly was was was third edition 40K 530 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:10,920 actually, which because they simplified the rules quite a lot 531 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,720 then it was much easier to get a game set up and things like that 532 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,240 and. But I do remember having one big 533 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:21,080 I think one big 5000 point battle with my open goblins. 534 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,640 I managed to feel the whole army against two of my pals. 535 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,440 One of them had a dwarf army you'd have liked, the other like 536 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,680 you know the The Amble of Doom and had a had a squadron of 537 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,600 gyrocopters and things like that. 538 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,360 But he basically just tooled them up with all of the all of 539 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,160 the stuff he could throw at them to like bring the points up and 540 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,280 up and up and up and up and up. So then just so that he could, I 541 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,920 think he managed to field like 3000 points of dwarves and then 542 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,120 one of my pal of the pals can't remember what he had then. 543 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,680 It was maybe high elves. I can't believe we'd have put 544 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,720 High Elves and Dwarves on the same side, but heresy putting 545 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,240 their differences aside to fend off the OR cord. 546 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:06,880 Off your beard, that's what I would say, says the man who has 547 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,880 a high Elf army directly next to his dwarf army there on the 548 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:10,680 cabinet. So. 549 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,400 Yeah, but you'd never field them at the same time. 550 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:14,920 You'd never field them. Principles. 551 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:16,600 That's exactly right. Exactly. 552 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:20,680 Never trust an elf. That's what I'd say the skirts 553 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:21,120 would be. Yeah. 554 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,360 Lifted up and running off in no time. 555 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,120 That's my experience with elves. So that's interesting. 556 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,760 Man, is I'm. I'm really happy that your dad 557 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:32,800 got involved with your hobby. I mean, that's something like my 558 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,200 and nothing to begrudge my father, but my father just was 559 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,280 not interested in what I was doing in the hobby, that kind of 560 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,440 thing. Like, he just wasn't interested. 561 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,200 But it's nice that your dad, you know, helped me with the 562 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,520 costumes. He drove you to the locations in 563 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,960 the games, worship, whatever. I think it's lovely. 564 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,520 I think he was quite happy to get rid of me. 565 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,440 One day a week leaves a Saturday free. 566 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,680 But he also I think he does that's not fair on him. 567 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,800 He's I think he he liked the fact that it was quite creative 568 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,200 because I was very much always and still am. 569 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:09,680 I like making models and I like painting models and I I do like 570 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,120 playing the game. But definitely if if I had to 571 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,560 choose between the two it's always going to be actually just 572 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,680 creating the the doing the painting and and things like 573 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,080 that and and and and and building things. 574 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,840 I just love it. I love, I love that whole kind 575 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:29,880 of side of things and I'm trying to push myself. 576 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,520 Now I'm going to, I'm going to be entering a painting 577 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:38,640 competition start of May, but my first in person one. 578 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:44,000 I entered a couple of online ones and won both of those. 579 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:45,600 Just little ones. Nothing. 580 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:52,240 Nothing major but got some massive trophies like they're 581 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,880 they're they're like Thor's hammer and someone's sprayed 582 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,320 them gold and put a little plaque on them as as a fella 583 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,120 sent them over from America for me. 584 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:07,080 Yeah, I know, I know there's this, it's really nice and but 585 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,679 yeah, I want to try to do it. So I'm going to a little event 586 00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:16,280 in Scotland at the start of May and I think you saw I've been 587 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,719 painting the the avatar OK in the old 90s one. 588 00:34:19,159 --> 00:34:20,639 Yeah, that's cool, man. That's awesome. 589 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:26,600 But I'm I'm very slow at that kind of thing and and running a 590 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,840 business and taking care of who we who we one means that I don't 591 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,760 get a lot of time to to to really sit down. 592 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:41,880 So, but hopefully I'll get it finished in time, I'll have 593 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,800 something to put there and hopefully it's finished on my 594 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,520 satisfaction, so. I hope so. 595 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,480 It's really nice so far. Like what what you've shown on 596 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:55,000 their Discord looks really cool. So yeah, yeah, I mean I I can I 597 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,800 can understand that you you you got a lot of other commitments 598 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,000 that's taking away from your painting desk. 599 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,640 But a model like that needs time. 600 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,000 You know, you need to section small parts and sort of work 601 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,680 your way through it because yeah, that's a big investment, a 602 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,080 big avatar, you know, the jazz good on avatar of of Kane. 603 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,960 You know, you need, you need a lot of time to, you know, sink 604 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,760 into that model to make it look absolutely beautiful. 605 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,120 So that's good, mate. Awesome. 606 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:23,360 Oh, it's just a model that I loved as a kid and I never had 607 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,160 it back then. I think I got that one for £7.00 608 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:31,880 off eBay, including postage. It was dripping with paint like 609 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,320 then I got it. That's what I like to do, is 610 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,280 like I did the same. One of the one of the other 611 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:41,480 painting competition entries was a a Chaos Lord and that was 612 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,800 another one. Whereas I think it's that model. 613 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,600 I saw it on eBay for sale and I think it was like a 99 P bid or 614 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,360 something like that really, really cheap because it was, I 615 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,240 was looking at it again. It's the right shape to be that 616 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:58,680 model, but it was just covered in paint and you just dump them 617 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,880 in the Dettol, pull them out, give them a run over with the 618 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,560 toothbrush and and then yeah, try and give them a new lease of 619 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,120 life. And I find that really kind of 620 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,760 satisfying. Yeah, I think maybe that's a 621 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,600 hobby in itself, like a like a restoration projects, like 622 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:17,880 there's saving models that had like covered in like 5 layers of 623 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,280 paint, you know what I mean? Almost, yeah. 624 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,400 The the the Chaos Lord was, I mean, the Avataricane. 625 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,480 You could at least see that it was still the Avataricane. 626 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,280 But the Chaos Lord, I was just like, I'm going to take a pun on 627 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,440 this one. There's something under there. 628 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,520 I'll find out. That's for the mystery box. 629 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:34,560 That one? The other one. 630 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,400 So yeah, no, it's it's been great getting back into the 631 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,040 hobby and and just it's very satisfying. 632 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,720 So yeah, I'm still looking over there at all my stuff. 633 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:49,800 Now you're doing all that, mate. That's great. 634 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,640 You're probably longing for it, you know, saying like, I want to 635 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,680 really want to paint those models and I want to paint my 636 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,680 terrain and and you know, like you say, it's, it's real life 637 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,280 shit getting in the way, mate. You know what I mean? 638 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,360 Like you've got your, your, your your, your company, you're 639 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,360 working on your family, you have to concentrate ONS. 640 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:09,160 But yeah, the the time you have to sit down and paint, you 641 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:10,720 really value that time, you know what I mean? 642 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,040 So that's not that's nice, that's lovely, that's good. 643 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,480 And it's important. You're doing it with your 644 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,200 daughter too, like you're doing terrain with your daughter, 645 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,080 which is lovely. Yeah, doing. 646 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,960 I did some miniature painting as well. 647 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,040 She doesn't. I do it when she asks. 648 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:32,080 I don't try and push it upon her and and things like that and 649 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:37,320 what I did was actually 3D printed some miniatures at 56 650 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:42,560 mil scale for her because she's only she's quite wee and and so 651 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,520 it's a bit easier for her to do and to hold and things like that 652 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:49,240 and and she she had a great time and then we made-up a little 653 00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:52,200 game where she was trying to rescue a dog from a maze. 654 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:57,720 There was a necromancer a necromancer because she wanted 655 00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:00,960 to paint some skeletons and then I found these kind of 656 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:05,800 anthropomorphic like these animals like so it's like a it's 657 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:12,440 like a Bunny rabbit with a sword and a shield and a a cat with a 658 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:17,000 in armour and and a snake with a big spear and things like that. 659 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,800 So that was her kind of war band and I set up, I set up this kind 660 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:27,280 of maze with Jenga blocks and and she had to get through the 661 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,680 maze and rescue the dog and things like that. 662 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,480 And then she made a house for the necromancer at a Dupla. 663 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,280 She's really sweet with that kind of thing and and like the 664 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,040 Chaos Lord that I painted, I was entering a competition and the 665 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,120 theme was it had to be colourful and so I asked her what he 666 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,080 should be. So he was bright pink and 667 00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,400 turquoise. So he's like bright pink with 668 00:38:55,400 --> 00:39:00,320 these huge bright turquoise horns coming out, his helmet and 669 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,240 a zebra print cloak and things like that. 670 00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:09,160 So, so she was so you know, and I I won a competition with that, 671 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,600 so I I might not have won it if it hadn't been for her excellent 672 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,240 choice of colours. That's right. 673 00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:14,640 She's got a really eye for it, didn't she? 674 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,240 You know, that's great. It's nice because. 675 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,880 I like that about the bedroom battlefields, Discord that they 676 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,960 have like a kind of. Like, I don't know what it's 677 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,120 called, but it's. Like I like the hobby. 678 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,760 Parenting. Hobby Parenting. 679 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,880 Channel I really. Like that kind of thing where 680 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,360 it's, you know, introducing your kids to the hobby. 681 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,640 And I think it's really important because it's those 682 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,120 memories that your daughter have and other kids have that, you 683 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,280 know, they they bring that through into the adult life. 684 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,120 And I think, oh, that's right. I remember they're playing those 685 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,120 games with my dad years ago with those little miniatures. 686 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,280 And we, we did things together and, you know, rolled some dice 687 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,160 and stuff like that. That stays with them, you know 688 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,920 what I mean? So I think that's a lovely 689 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,960 little. Little, Yeah. 690 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,240 You sort of just, you know, slowly getting them into like 691 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,120 tabletop war gaming for the future is, if you like. 692 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,880 Because yeah, a lot of us sort of discovered it through books 693 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,680 or magazines and that kind of thing. 694 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,720 And other people will just sort of introduce it through their 695 00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:14,000 parents or uncles or friends or. People at school and that kind 696 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,840 of thing as well. Mate, can you remember your 697 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:18,360 first white dwarf magazine at all? 698 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:20,400 I can't. I I've. 699 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,280 I've. Racked my brain a bit less over 700 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,360 the years and the The thing is is that I inherited a bunch of 701 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,880 them from my brother all at the same time right. 702 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,400 And I can't even, I can't even. I've I've actually got a load of 703 00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:40,520 white dwarfs, old white dwarfs in PDF form that offend and I 704 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,000 went through a load of them and I was trying to figure out which 705 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,400 was the oldest one that I'd had and I just I can't pinpoint it 706 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:53,320 exactly but. Yeah, I definitely had the one 707 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,640 with. The cardboard bunker that I I 708 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:01,080 think I bought that. I think that was one of the 709 00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,160 first ones that I bought, but I'm not sure if it was the very 710 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,000 first one that I bought for myself because I remember 711 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:13,360 building the bunker terribly. It was a really, really wonky 712 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,840 thing because I would have been. Oh, I don't think I'd have. 713 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,680 Even been 10 at that point, I think it was me kind of trying 714 00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,600 to copy my brother and be like, oh, I could I get myself a white 715 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:31,120 dwarf as well, you know? So. 716 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,960 Yeah, I really I it's a shame. I remember lots of great things 717 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,960 from White Dwarf. Adrian would. 718 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,480 I think they were talking about on the Discord, but he he built 719 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:46,920 that the Dreadnought. I think it was for. 720 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,120 Did he build it for a Gokumoka thing there? 721 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,480 Was a there was AI think. There was a gokumoka thing where 722 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,200 there was a dread dreadnought that had got loose and you had 723 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:57,840 to try and stop it or something like that. 724 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,040 It was a certainly a game like that anyway, and he built it out 725 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:07,080 of two of the old kind of space or catapults and bits of bits of 726 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,640 the original Oak Dreadnought. Bits of the 2nd edition Oak 727 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,600 Dreadnought as well were in there. 728 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,960 There was like the metal panels off the side of the turret for 729 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:22,040 the Hell Hound and there's this little extra armour panels and I 730 00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,840 remember looking at that and I think that was like something. 731 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,840 That really sparked. My brain of like, oh, I can 732 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:33,160 make, I can make all sorts of things out of all of this 733 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,240 nonsense. I sat and I picked out like all 734 00:42:35,240 --> 00:42:39,560 these different bits of it and I was just like, so he's just he's 735 00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,680 just made this out of out of nonsense. 736 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,240 That's amazing. And you know, and then I've. 737 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,720 I've hardly looked back since, so I'm. 738 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:52,040 Sure. I appreciate that. 739 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,560 That you remembered that. That's lovely. 740 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,480 Yeah mate, that's good. I think we'll have to cover that 741 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,400 issue of White Dwarf together at some point. 742 00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,800 It'd be really nice to do with you. 743 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,800 I'll have a I'll have. A dig through and I'll I'll see 744 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,880 what I can find and I'll let you know and and we can we can I'll 745 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,960 really I'll really try a bit harder to find to find what I 746 00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,920 think was the the oldest white dwarf I had certainly so it's 747 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,080 probably from somewhere kind of like possibly even pre rogue 748 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:23,120 trader just but but only just kind of somewhere around that 749 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,760 kind of era and. Was, but that was. 750 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,600 Like I said, it would be. It would be my brother that had 751 00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,720 bought it, but I would have inherited that kind of thing. 752 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:39,480 I just spent so long looking through all those and, yeah, 753 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,040 battle reports, they're great. I loved all the little graphics. 754 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,720 Yeah. And and things like that. 755 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,440 So who's it says there's a YouTube channel that does battle 756 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:51,800 reports like that. These. 757 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:54,320 Yeah. That's the one. 758 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,960 Yeah, it's just. It's really did. 759 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,480 It just starts. Firing neurons in your brain 760 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,520 that haven't been there, you know like been dormant for 761 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,680 decades and this and they're like, oh, oh what's that? 762 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:13,800 So no, yeah, it's I'll, I'll, I'll have a dig out and we can 763 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,080 sort something out that's so oh, my dad do that. 764 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,000 Yeah, absolutely. Obviously, like your favorite 765 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,040 white dwarf, that's fine. Of those collection of white 766 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,640 dwarfs your brother had that you you inherited just have a look 767 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,600 and see what you find. The most reminiscent but I think 768 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,240 maybe the the sort of the cardstock building 1 might be a 769 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:33,360 good one for you because it's like yeah I think it'd be good 770 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,120 because it's a it's a the first building you built either if 771 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,800 it's terribly or not or whatever it doesn't matter but it's it's 772 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,960 links to you to being a terrain builder now in three that's also 773 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,680 that's also the 1st. Thing that I produced for for 3D 774 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,720 printing as well and that's the oldest model up on my Celts is 775 00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:53,080 my my version of that. So so it does. 776 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,880 Tie in a little bit. Yeah, now actually, are you? 777 00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:00,160 Actually gaming nowadays occasionally the. 778 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:07,040 My wife kindly will, but but we we tend to play like we've 779 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,760 played space weirdos and things like that. 780 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,680 So so not actually. Oh, I did make her play more 781 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:19,800 time, which is because that was the that was kind of actually, 782 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,960 one of the things that got me back into the hobby was picking 783 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,200 up a copy of the Mordheim rulebook in a charity shop. 784 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,280 I spotted it on the shelf and went, I'm going to go home with 785 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:31,920 this. That's that's lovely. 786 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:34,840 I remember that from when I was a kid. 787 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,680 And it is is. It's one of the most 788 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,160 beautifully. Complete and bits. 789 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:43,760 I don't know if you've ever looked through the more time 790 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,480 rule, but never have, never have mate. 791 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,800 Sorry. No as as a single. 792 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,800 As a single object, it is one of the best books that Games 793 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:56,040 Workshop has produced. There's lots of great books out 794 00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,440 there, but this feels from front to back cover like a single 795 00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,720 piece that has been beautifully put together. 796 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:08,080 There's nothing that looks out of place it and and the artwork 797 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,880 and has looks. John Blanche was I think really 798 00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,720 wanted to be in charge of the artwork for that and and it 799 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:20,240 really shows that he, he kind of has got his fingerprints all 800 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:24,240 over it and I think him and Thomas Perrin and really. 801 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,120 Really obviously worked well. Together on it. 802 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,880 The game itself is interesting, probably. 803 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,760 I think it was the first thing I got my wife to play. 804 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,920 I think I got the rulebook home and I made some terrain out, 805 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,120 some Lego, all right. And. 806 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:50,840 Got some random models that I had from running D&D games and 807 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:57,360 put together 2 war bands and and had to go. 808 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,840 And I think I think so far actually I haven't played a lot 809 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:01,960 of games with it. But I don't think I've actually 810 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:06,960 won any games against my wife who has no experience playing 811 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,360 these kind of things. The closest thing she's got is 812 00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,920 like like kind of combat in in 5th edition D&D. 813 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:21,240 And yeah, I said I've just the dice hate me, they absolutely 814 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,400 hate me. That's like we played space 815 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,360 weirdos and I had had like a little group of Imperial 816 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,200 Guardsmen and they had an Ogre in in there with them and he was 817 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,080 meant to be like the muscle with the big gun and first turn he 818 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:39,320 just got wiped off the board and I was like that's that's most of 819 00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,440 my squads. That's like most of the points 820 00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:51,360 in my squad gone in one. So yeah, so that's just the way 821 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,480 it is. But you know she's she's very 822 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,080 understanding place but I need to try and find a club to go 823 00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:02,120 play at or something like that. But that's just finding the time 824 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,680 you know you got to drive there spend an evening there and drive 825 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:12,880 back and yeah so I'll figure something at some point but as I 826 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:18,720 say I'm I'm I'm very happy just creating yeah that's good that's 827 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:22,920 that's the bit which really my. Wife and my My wife will laugh. 828 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,560 At me because I like. We'll be going to bed and she'll 829 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:31,600 have gone to brush her teeth and half an hour later she'll come 830 00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,520 back through and she go, are you coming through? 831 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,000 You know, can I turn the lights off? 832 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,120 I want to go to sleep and I'm sitting there just looking at 833 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:40,880 something I was painting earlier this evening. 834 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,520 I just spent like half an hour staring at what I've been 835 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,520 painting and looking, looking at what I can do next, looking at 836 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,480 bits that need tidying up and and things like that. 837 00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,360 And but at the same time that gives me real satisfaction of 838 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:58,520 just looking at this thing that I've that I've created and and 839 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,160 that I've. It's good, good for your mental 840 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:02,720 health. That's what I find with this 841 00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:04,120 hobby. Absolutely. 842 00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:06,960 Next. Absolutely jazz. 843 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:08,240 I need to. I need to. 844 00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:12,880 I need at some point I may well up my Patreon tier on your 845 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,480 Patreon and get some painting lessons from you. 846 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,000 Yeah, please do mate. Preferably to to to you. 847 00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:25,360 Might be able to help me paint a bit quicker because painfully as 848 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,000 I look at your Commission projects and I'm just like 849 00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:33,760 that's like years for me to paint one of those, yeah, 850 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,200 unfortunately, unfortunately. Speed comes with time, my 851 00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,480 friend. Speed comes with time. 852 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,680 It's I've been painting for over 30 years now. 853 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,520 Would you believe it's? I saw some of the it's quite I. 854 00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,920 Think I think you you shared some of the ones. 855 00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,160 That was it Dark Elves that you did for Games Workshop back in 856 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,320 the day? Yeah, yeah, I I showed some of. 857 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,920 The Battle Book Pictures from the 5th edition. 858 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,600 Some conversions, but again it it like I know I did those, but 859 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,920 the the Lisbon, I think I did the Lisbon unit, but apart from 860 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,480 that it's very sketchy. I did some conversions and stuff 861 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,840 like that, but I can't really remember. 862 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:10,360 It's so long ago now. Oh yeah, yeah, I know. 863 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,320 I was on the air for like 4. Months. 864 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:13,920 It was like a very, very short time. 865 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:22,280 So yeah, the hazy memories of Gang's Workshop, Nottingham, the 866 00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,000 studio. Yeah but hey mate look it's been 867 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,640 a a wonderful time to talk to you. 868 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,640 I really enjoyed meeting you and seeing you for the first time 869 00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,320 and putting a a face to the name. 870 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,760 Thank you again for your patronage and I I look forward 871 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:41,000 to, if you do decide to jump on the painting tutorials, let's 872 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,240 let's let's just try and see what what we can do because I I 873 00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:47,960 can sure, I'm sure I can show you some hacks or quick ways of 874 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,200 getting stuff painted quickly that you can get them, but it 875 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:52,840 depends. I mean, some people like to take 876 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,400 their time within miniatures, like you're doing with your 877 00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:01,000 avatar and, you know, projects. Like that take a long. 878 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,840 Time to to complete. And if it's if it's for an army 879 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,440 that you're painting like a mass amount of models for, then yeah, 880 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,200 OK, maybe some simple solutions for those would be really 881 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,600 helpful. So it really depends on what you 882 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,320 want to do, so let me know I I will. 883 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:17,920 Do no. Thank you very much for having 884 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,680 me on. It's been an absolute pleasure. 885 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,040 I hope. I hope somebody finds this me 886 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,320 rambling interesting. I certainly did. 887 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:27,720 I certainly. Did I enjoy it? 888 00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:29,480 Thank you very much. Thank you very much. 889 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,960 It saves my wife haven't listened to me for an hour. 890 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:38,080 Do you want to go to bed? Soon, but it's been good to talk 891 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,600 to everybody. I happen to podcast mate. 892 00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,160 Honestly, it's it's lovely to meet all these people around the 893 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,920 world, including yourself. And yeah, mate, look, I've got, 894 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,040 I've got to go and feed my boy downstairs and I think it's 895 00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,800 about like 8:00 up here now, so I better go down. 896 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,080 I won't keep you from that then, yeah. 897 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,560 And keep him company and and. See what he's doing there. 898 00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,040 He's probably spent about the last two hours playing his his 899 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,200 Nintendo Switch. So it's time to switch that off 900 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,760 and eat some food. So thanks mate again for your 901 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,680 time today. Really appreciate it. 902 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,560 I know our listeners do, and I look forward to going through 903 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,600 your first White Dolphins in the future sometime. 904 00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:16,880 Yeah, I'll, I'll. Go and get a I'll go and look up 905 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,400 a copy of that and have a look through it. 906 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,080 And so now thank you. Thank you again for having me on 907 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:23,960 and we'll just walk. OK. 908 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:24,480 Thanks mate. Thank. 909 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:24,880 You.