But anyhow mate, look, it's really good that you come onto
the onto the podcast. I'm really happy.
Like I said, I'm really happy Anybody who says, yeah, I'll
come on the podcast and have a chat with you or whatever and
take at the time of their day to come and chat with myself and
the audience at the Crown of Command.
But mate, you've been quite prolific in making terrain.
I have, yeah. I sort of started doing like
kind of 3D models for my own 3D printing.
I started 3D printing like nearly a decade ago.
I bought a really cheap I bought a really cheap 3D printer
because I've I've got a history of through my work through 3D
modelling things. But normally just digitally
there's no physical stuff and I I just started tinkering with it
messing around with it and and then when I got back into the
hobby I discovered obviously that there was loads of things
out there you could print. And being me I was never quite
satisfied with what anyone else had designed.
So I started designing my own and putting stuff out there.
But yeah so I think the stuff that that that you you were
quite interested in the Bastian which is like a take off of the
old the old 90s kind of studio model that they had a few
changes to it. I've I've tried to I've given it
a bit of battle damage and a little bit of reinforcement and
I redesigned the ramp at the back because I spent ages
digging through the digging through like old white dwarfs
and old rule books and and army books Codex's and stuff like
that. Trying to find a picture of the
back of it, it was really difficult.
And then when I did, I discovered that the ramp at the
back was like a ski slope. And I was like, I'm not putting
any miniatures on that because they'll, it just rolls straight
there and you know, So yeah. And I did, yeah, I did the kind
of 3D version of the old cardboard ruins.
Yes, I saw those. They're great.
Yeah, awesome. It was that again, that was just
because I, I I went online to look at the cost of getting a
full set of the actual cardboard ruins and I was like, I'm good,
thanks. I'll go make my own, you know,
I'll go design my own and I like to do it so that it's it's all
for like FDM print. And that's what I like what I do
with, like I just have an end of three.
Now I replaced my very cheap old one with an end of three because
it was just starting to wear out and so, So there's nothing you
know like and all my models are printed on that and I designed
them so you don't need to use supports.
So there's no major overhangs or you print it in parts so that
you can put it together with. Any overhangs are taken by the
the way you print it, because printing with FDM you get kind
of rough edges where the supports have been.
It's not perfect kind of underneath things.
So if you've got like a square door frame, you might be able to
bridge across, but if you've got a support underneath or you've
got something that's overhanging like that, you need to, it's you
need to have something underneath and you pull that off
afterwards and it just leaves a bit of a rough surface
underneath. So I've, I hate that.
And so everything I do is designed to be printed without
these because that just comes out cleaner.
But yeah. You keep looking over there,
mate. That's, I'm assuming all the
terrain sitting on the table over there.
There is, yeah. The Bastion is sat right over
there so you can look across my message.
It's a it's a gorgeous piece of dress.
So as as far off in the distance over there.
But yeah, yeah no it was really fun to do as well actually.
I I just it's just something that I enjoy doing and yeah I
was I started doing it for myself and but I kind of like
the extra bit of challenge of trying to make it so it's nice
and easy to print for other people and what have you kiss
because I like making things difficult for myself.
I'd imagine. I know, I know my my good friend
Carnifex is a a fan of yours and he he he printed those, you know
the the card stop buildings that you made and they paint it
really nice too. They look really good, so.
No, they they he he did, he did a nice job of printing them and
and painting them. So it was that it's really nice.
I don't I don't see a lot of it. It's always really nice to see
you and someone's been like making my models, it's it's it's
very satisfying. So it's always it's always nice
to see people sharing them so. Yeah mate, that's it's a lovely,
lovely thing if you can create something and I don't know what
programs you're using to do it, but yeah, to something.
And yeah, I'm really surprised. You've been doing it for 10
years, like almost a decade. Is is printers been around for
that long? 3D printing's a really old
technology, actually, Really. So it goes back to the 70s, but
it's always been so he's been like that.
It was about 10-15 years ago, it started being a thing where
people started making kits that you could build at home, right?
I think who was it? There was a company, I can't
remember now. There's a company who who
started making just like here you can make a thing that you
can print at home and it's it's like one of the reasons that the
filament is .75 millimetre diameter is because it was it
was originally they were built to print with strimmer.
You know, you get the the kind of strimmer for doing the edges
of your grass and it's got this kind of wire that you pull out
of the bottom of it. Right, OK.
So to make the kind of blade that does the trimming, yeah,
that was what these kind of early home printers were
printing with because there wasn't anything else.
So they were just melting like this stuff.
So we. Call we call Wicker snippers in
Australia whipper sniper. All right.
I've never heard you guys have got, you guys have got like,
great names. Yeah, the old whipper snipper
bloody hell. Whipper snipper cord.
Holy shit for a thought. There you go.
That's why it's that diameter that's the kind of standard
Bringers, because it's the same for that, yeah.
But yeah, no, it's it's great. I think I've said all the
places. I just love being able to pick
things out of my imagination and have them exist.
All of a sudden in front of me. It was always one of the things
I liked about doing like 3D artwork was that you know you
kind of take things and you make them kind of real and but yeah,
now doing it actually kind of with a physical with a 3D
printer, it just gave a whole new kind of dynamic to it and
I'm I'm sometimes far too ambitious.
I've got about 20 half finished projects on my computer but that
I'm still trying to figure out kind of logistically how you
make them. But but yeah, I like doing done
a few vehicles as well as scenery.
I did like a kind of redesign of the old battle wagon and
something that I'd always wanted actually despite the fact I
don't collect appeal guard as the do you remember the very
first epic Lehman Ross? Yeah.
There was a really, really early one that didn't look quite like
the kind of one that we all know now.
It had like ball sponsons and things like that.
Like the sponsons were like spheres with the guns sticking
straight out the side and it just had a slightly different
shape and profile. And so I was like I'll do a
version of that as well. So in 28 mil.
So because I always find that the kind of the Lehman Ross that
came out in the 90s doesn't look quite right with the old Rogue
Trader Imperial Guard, there's something not quite right about
the style of it. It's much more of the kind of
90s style rather than that kind of late 80s Rogue Trader era.
So as like I wanted to make a Lehman Ross that looked like it
fitted in with like the old the the original Rhino and Predator
and the original Land Raider. Love all those kids, Love all
the Markons. They're great.
Yeah. Well, I might actually have your
Your Land Raider then, if that's the one that I have here that
you designed. I think I might have your your
design, Inmate I. Think No, no, I didn't.
There was a Lehman, Ross. I did not a Land Raider.
Sorry, the Battle Wagon Battle or Battle Wagon?
Did you do that one as well? I did one, yeah.
There's quite a few out there. I might it might not be that one
but that was that was I think when and I did the I did the the
old Cardstock bunker as well. I think that was the first thing
I actually didn't release. Do you remember the what was?
It right? Is that the 1:00 I've got?
I think kind of fix sent me a whole heap of stuff and I
painted recently if that, if they're the same ones that you
did. I don't know if it is.
Again, it's one that there's a few of them out there.
But my mine I think. I think, I think I oh, I I did
see you used the ones in the were they in your Gene stealer?
Yeah, that's the one. Subtle report.
Yeah. No, they're they're different
guys. I think they I.
Don't know. Yeah, yeah.
I I saw those and you you would have had to use supports to
print them on an FDM printer. I think Carne FX has done them
in resin for you. I don't.
Know. Yeah, no idea.
I just get them sent in a box. I have no idea where they come
from, how they printed. Who prints them.
I have no idea. I mean the, I mean the.
So are you planning on getting into 3D printing yourself?
Then What's that? Well, that's an interesting
thing because obviously it's the big bugbear in the room and it's
out there. It's it's being used by people.
Even today I was watching something on Instagram with John
Stallard of all people from Warlord Games, with his 3D
printed camels that he's using in some of his, one of his
Arabic renaissance army or whatever, whatever the hell it
is. But even he's using printed
models, you know, so it's just they're everywhere and on
Kickstarter. I was on the Kickstarter for the
Futsal Vikings range, and I haven't been to Kickstarter for
a very long time, many years, because I've just just been not
interested in Kickstarter at all.
But then I saw other it gives you some kind of related
Kickstarters based on the thing your your search.
And a lot of all the other Kickstarters that related to
that in miniatures are all through 3D printing.
You know World War 2, it's, it's fantasy, it's it's science
fiction, it's everything you can think of, anything that's
modeled, that's created, it's done through 3D printing.
So obviously it's it's come leaps and bounds since I first
heard about it, which it would have been, I don't know how
long, five years ago, six years ago, it seemed to be more
prolific then people were getting them in their homes and
you know people were printing things and that kind of thing.
So obviously it's it's becoming more and more prevalent now in
the war game industry and whether they're using it to
print out test models and then that model is then cast and then
made into metal, I don't know. But yeah, for terrain it seems
for me like a really good way of doing things.
Because it's definitely, yeah. Great designs out there for
terrain, Not, you know, just your stuff and other people's
stuff. The Barrens war thing I really
like, but it's all STLS and there's things that I think the
3D printer can do that I just cannot do by hand, even though I
really respect the old style of making terrain by hand using
materials. But I think the 3D printer
delivers something that you just cannot do.
I think I think both of them have their place to be honest on
the tabletop I I I think I shared some like you know like
kind of rock stacks that I made with the Wii one recently.
You know these kind of big kind of towering rock formations that
you used to get in in White Dwarf in the 90s.
And I made some of them just out of pizza boxes and tissue and a
bit of sand recently and they look great, you know, and you
could you could 3D print something like that.
But it's it's still nice just to sit down with some glue and a
pair of scissors and turn a pile of recycling into into some nice
terrain. You know it's so and and it was
great sitting down. Like I say, I did it with the
wee one and she's quite happily kind of splodging glue on and
making a bit of a mess. So yeah and yeah.
So I think, I think both, Both ways of doing terrain,
certainly. But 3D printing, yeah, it gives
you for doing between buildings and things like that where
you're going to spend ages trying to kind of get you all
your bits of plastic card or card cut neatly and then stuck
together and things like that. It can, it can just take a lot
of that kind of hassle out of things.
So yeah, so I think I need to get some more terrain on the go.
It seems to be kind of the more popular stuff on my on my cults.
Not that. Not that.
Not that I've made a lot, not that a lot of people are
downloading it, but I think so. But yeah, I'm not.
I don't think I'm going to be making a career out of it
anytime soon, put it that way. I'm happy.
I'm happy you've got a job in the industry where you're making
3D models and that kind of thing.
I did try that newly for one semester and boy oh boy by the
end of it I was about to throw my computer out the window mate.
I was so I was so pissed off with it.
I I forget what the what the program was that I made it, but
I actually did. I did something related to my
hobby. I I made a anvil and I made the
the runesmith's helmet, hammer and shield based on the 4th
edition model and that was all OK with the with the instructor
and everything like that. That was fine.
So I did it all. I'm trying to think of the
program now, but I can't remember the bill.
It's just a pain in the ass. And I just thought, I never want
to do this ever again. So I respect people who can make
models in those kind of programs who have the mind for it.
There's there, there's a certain level of patience.
And I hear that Brodiak, when I talk to him over in Norway, he's
talking about that process of making or making the supports on
models. And that kind of thing is is
just as relaxing as painting for me.
It's not. It's just not for me.
I mean, I've tried it, I've given it a go, but it's just not
my cup of tea. And but I respect yourself.
Who can make these things? Yeah.
And I, let's say I had a there was a thing when I was in school
that, you know, I don't know if you get like graphical
communication or whatever Australians call it.
That's why you're doing like tacky drawing.
Technical, technical. Stuff like technical.
Drawing. And it was like the first class
of that. And I'd missed the first week.
I think I'd been ill And they sat down and they they give you
this big wad of a three sheets of paper and you've got like the
front, the back and the side of a shape and you've got to draw
it in an isometric on the page. And my mate Simon was next to me
and he was like, oh, you're going to struggle to catch up.
This is really difficult. And the teacher comes over and
says right, OK, shows me how to do the first one, he says right
let me know how you're getting on.
And about half an hour later I'll put my hand up and the
teacher comes over and goes, oh Callum, what can I help you as
you know, as what you what you struggling with.
And I went, I've finished these and he looked at me and he went,
that's a terms work. It was just it was something
that just immediately clicked in my head is just 3D 3D shapes and
things like that. And so that's, you know, that's
why I've ended up doing it as work and why I quite happily do
this. So but yeah no it's I never
thought I would like if you'd told T like teenage me back in
the 90s that I was going to be making miniatures of my own
design at some point. I wouldn't have believed you.
But it's it's someone I'm very proud of and as I say, I don't I
don't necessarily think it's good it's it's something that
I'll be making a career out of. But it's really nice to see
other people enjoying them though and it's that's why I
like to share them, is just to see other people doing it.
So that's a cover the cost of all my filament.
Yeah. And I was going to say you've
been very, you know, you've been very generous in sharing a lot
of your files. Now this is through 3D Cult, is
that right? Yeah, right.
OK. So yeah, if you look at Doctor
Spoke or if you look at Oldhammer, they're all tagged as
Oldhammer because they're all kind of like 90s, late 80s,
nineties kind of designs. I'm just finishing up a couple
of Chaos tanks at the moment. I don't know if you remember
there were these old epicasts, kind of resin ones that were
made in the 90s that like a a rhino and a predator.
But they've got like skulls all over them.
It's like a lot of the, you know, like big skulls, big
stupid, kind of weird skulls on them.
And I really like that. And I thought, you know, I'm,
I'm putting together some emperor's children very slowly.
And I thought, you know what I need?
I need a rhino because. And so I thought I'll do one of
those and I really enjoyed it and I thought I'll do a Predator
as well. So it's kind of a mix of the the
Epicast resin kit and a bit of the original Predator and
original Rhino, and then just my own stuff thrown in on top
because I like to add something to myself to these things, so.
Oh cool. I'll look forward to seeing
those designs that sounds very interesting.
I the epicast. Is that not armour cast?
Is that something different? There was similar kind of
company I I don't know if they were licensed like armor cast
was. All of that stuff was sort of
looks close enough to be used in a game but not like that's not
like the like the armor cast Bane blade which was just
basically a scaled up epic bane blade.
And the the the armor casts gargant as well.
Christ, I love it. It's enormous.
It's like 2 foot tall, that thing, because I don't know
where I'd keep that. So imagine putting that on the
table in Games Workshop in the 90s.
It's like, yeah, sorry, this doesn't actually fit into the
deployment zone. I think, I think they used those
during, I think I talked to people like that this bit
because I think maybe people have missed it or never saw it,
but they actually played at games day, epic scale games
using 28 mil models. So they had like the, you know
the the 20 because in epic scale obviously it's six mil, but they
made it in 28 mil using marines, you know 5 to a base everything
was exactly the same but just upscale under 28 mil.
And I think they used those those armour casts gargants and
Titans during those games day demonstrations because it's more
of a participation thing. You could get up there on a on a
on a table and start walking around and moving the guys
around. So it was quite funny to see
those photographs now, but. Yeah, I remember seeing things
like that at Games day in the 90s.
I think I went a couple of times and pressed my nose up against
the glass of all the Golden Demon Entry.
So I'd have been. I wouldn't have been that old at
the time. I was just like, there's the
local Carlisle Games Workshop, organised a bus and you all got
to stay overnight upstairs in Games Workshop and then set off
at like 3:00 in the morning to get down to Birmingham or
something in time. Yeah, that's the kind of like,
it's the kind of nonsense you just couldn't do these days.
You know, There's no way that, like, we're just going to leave
like kind of 20 to 30 small children with two random guys
that work for games, work jobs. I never did that like a
sleepover at Games Workshop. Wow.
And if I was a Kidman, I mean, I'd be like this, a dream, you
know? No, I think.
I think I just ate sweets like mad and I don't think I slept.
I think I remember, I think on one of them my dad picked me up
from Carlisle at like kind of probably like 9 at night after
after the day. And he was just pulling off onto
the motorway outside Carlisle. And I was chatting tent at the
Dozen, and halfway through a sentence I just fell straight
asleep because I just hadn't slept the whole time and I'd
just been gobbling sweets and high on sugar non-stop.
Yeah. I'm glad you still remember that
then. That's lovely.
That's a good memory. Yeah, that's that's.
I have a lot of fond memories, a bit like kind of Games Workshop,
and I used to go there every Saturday with my mates and play
games and paint miniatures and take part in silly competitions.
They had a thing called There was there was a weekly
competition called the Feely. Box.
Oh, tell. Me, it was a it was a cardboard
box with a hole in the top of it.
And they would put like something like a miniature in
it, and everybody would take it in turns, put their hand in the
cardboard box and they had to say what the miniature was.
Right. And then at the end, whoever
guessed right or got closest could decide if they wanted what
was in the feely box or the mystery prize.
And sometimes the mystery prize would be like a box off the
shelf, or sometimes it would be something worse than was in the
feely box. So you never knew.
So, but yeah, no. I remember like, I got like the
Terminator for my Wolf Guard with an assault cannon, came out
of the feely box because I was like, I need it's actually, I
did it. And that's like, I knew exactly
what it was. And I said it's a it's a
terminate with an assault cannon.
The assault cannon's just slightly sitting slightly low.
And then they jokingly went, Oh yeah, and what what chapter is
it? And I went and they just looked
and felt it a bit and I went, that's Ultramarines, isn't it?
It's like just joking, like, you know, you can't tell at all.
And they turned out it was and they were just like and they
went, do you want the, do you want what's in the feely box or
do you want the the mystery prize?
And I'm like, no, I need that for my wolf guard.
I'll take the Terminator. Thank you.
And and they went, that's the right choice this week because
the, the mystery prize was the terminated which was a skull
stuck to a 25 mil base. That was what you would have got
instead. So that was like a booby prize
that week. So no.
Yeah. Great fond memories of of all
that kind of thing. And I kind of the world's so
different. There were Games Workshop kind
of that. That just doesn't happen there
anymore, so. No, no.
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How did you actually get into the games which you've probably
made? I and my my brother collected
it. He's what, about six years older
than me? So when I would have been kind
of, you know, 678, I still hadn't kind of starting to
collect all these things. And yeah, I I would steal his
white dwarfs and read them and things like that.
And then as he got into his late teens, I bet he he kind of moved
out of the hobby and I basically inherited all his stuff.
So I was left with a load of kind of late 80s, just a big mix
of stuff. I remember I had bits of Space
Hulk, I had bits of old Warhammer fantasy, I had kind of
old bro trader stuff, bits of yeah, I had the space crusade
dreadnought, but I don't think I had any other bits from space
crusades and things like that. So you know, just just just a
big mix of things. And he'd he'd mainly collected
walks and goblins fantasy, because I think he'd got the was
it 4th edition that was the high elves and goblins.
Yeah he'd he'd got that starter set.
And so I got all that as well and that led me on to ended up
with like in in the in the mid to late 90s probably 9697.
I had a 5000 point open goblin army.
Wow. Yeah, I didn't know anybody who
could actually field an army to take it on.
And mostly painted as well. Not necessarily very well.
But yeah, I just, that was just what I I any time it was a
birthday or I got any money, it was then Games Workshop get
something new. And also because I was in the
Games Workshop every weekend and entering all these competitions
at at Win stuff as well. I think in the late 90s I
entered a painting competition with some Space Wolves and I was
it was the under sixteens I entered and I think I probably
was 16 at the time or something like that.
And I entered with a squad and I won the the squad and then I won
the the the kind of overall for under sixteens and then I won
the overall for the whole day. So trifecta mate I think I think
I'd put in a lot more effort than everyone else.
Like I'd made a a scenic base for the whole squad and I'd
painted up a banner and you know and I'd made it all specifically
for the painting competition. And I think that gave me quite a
lot. Like other people had just
turned up with some of their miniatures that they played with
there every weekend. And I think the staff were a bit
like and this guy's put in some more effort.
So. But basically my dad had given
me my train fare and enough money for some chips for my
lunch. And I came home with like two
boxes of I bought no box of units, an army box.
So I've got a box of units for winning the kind of squad.
I got an army box for winning the under sixteens and I got the
box set with all the paints in and all the brushes and
everything that was like back then was like £125 or something.
And I I got off the train with my arms full of boxes and my
dad's like, where did you get those from?
There's like taking fresh credit cards.
Yeah, I didn't nick them. I'm not sneaking out of the shop
with my arms full of boxes, AM. I didn't do them a chip money
then. Right.
Yeah, brilliant. So, so I would be entering like
and I did like fancy dress where I dressed up as an Imperial
Guardsman and me and my dad made this Las gun for me to take with
them and I think I won stuff for that.
So, you know, putting in the effort and the time meant I
could actually get quite a big lot of miniatures even on just
kind of teenager amount of money because, you know, we weren't,
we weren't rich or anything. So my parents weren't splurging
lots of money for me to get all these miniatures.
So, you know, I'd get Christmas and birthday presents and and
then it was just what I could get with my pocket money the
rest of the time. So, but yeah, no, I had that.
I had Spacewolf Army, funnily enough, as the ones that I
didn't have the competition. I had a space orca army that was
also quite big, including the handmade garden made it just
made out of cardboard, yeah, just it was back then and they
they let you play it in the shop back then.
You know, if you you they they they weren't.
They weren't that fussy about what you turned up with as long
as it was painted. You bring chips.
You were right, mate. You were fine, yeah.
I think I think I only got to play that was they put out the
there was vehicle creation rules for 3rd edition in White Dwarf I
think or something like that. So you could make any vehicle
you wanted. And I was like great time for me
to go mad building building nonsense and and I can take it
into the shop and I can go. I've got official rules for this
because I think it was Andy Chambers put it together.
So I mean I played 4th and 5th edition fantasy and I played a
bit of 2nd edition 40K, but just because of my age at the time,
you know, you're not necessarily playing all these things quite
properly. And I think the first time I was
playing anything properly was was was third edition 40K
actually, which because they simplified the rules quite a lot
then it was much easier to get a game set up and things like that
and. But I do remember having one big
I think one big 5000 point battle with my open goblins.
I managed to feel the whole army against two of my pals.
One of them had a dwarf army you'd have liked, the other like
you know the The Amble of Doom and had a had a squadron of
gyrocopters and things like that.
But he basically just tooled them up with all of the all of
the stuff he could throw at them to like bring the points up and
up and up and up and up and up. So then just so that he could, I
think he managed to field like 3000 points of dwarves and then
one of my pal of the pals can't remember what he had then.
It was maybe high elves. I can't believe we'd have put
High Elves and Dwarves on the same side, but heresy putting
their differences aside to fend off the OR cord.
Off your beard, that's what I would say, says the man who has
a high Elf army directly next to his dwarf army there on the
cabinet. So.
Yeah, but you'd never field them at the same time.
You'd never field them. Principles.
That's exactly right. Exactly.
Never trust an elf. That's what I'd say the skirts
would be. Yeah.
Lifted up and running off in no time.
That's my experience with elves. So that's interesting.
Man, is I'm. I'm really happy that your dad
got involved with your hobby. I mean, that's something like my
and nothing to begrudge my father, but my father just was
not interested in what I was doing in the hobby, that kind of
thing. Like, he just wasn't interested.
But it's nice that your dad, you know, helped me with the
costumes. He drove you to the locations in
the games, worship, whatever. I think it's lovely.
I think he was quite happy to get rid of me.
One day a week leaves a Saturday free.
But he also I think he does that's not fair on him.
He's I think he he liked the fact that it was quite creative
because I was very much always and still am.
I like making models and I like painting models and I I do like
playing the game. But definitely if if I had to
choose between the two it's always going to be actually just
creating the the doing the painting and and things like
that and and and and and building things.
I just love it. I love, I love that whole kind
of side of things and I'm trying to push myself.
Now I'm going to, I'm going to be entering a painting
competition start of May, but my first in person one.
I entered a couple of online ones and won both of those.
Just little ones. Nothing.
Nothing major but got some massive trophies like they're
they're they're like Thor's hammer and someone's sprayed
them gold and put a little plaque on them as as a fella
sent them over from America for me.
Yeah, I know, I know there's this, it's really nice and but
yeah, I want to try to do it. So I'm going to a little event
in Scotland at the start of May and I think you saw I've been
painting the the avatar OK in the old 90s one.
Yeah, that's cool, man. That's awesome.
But I'm I'm very slow at that kind of thing and and running a
business and taking care of who we who we one means that I don't
get a lot of time to to to really sit down.
So, but hopefully I'll get it finished in time, I'll have
something to put there and hopefully it's finished on my
satisfaction, so. I hope so.
It's really nice so far. Like what what you've shown on
their Discord looks really cool. So yeah, yeah, I mean I I can I
can understand that you you you got a lot of other commitments
that's taking away from your painting desk.
But a model like that needs time.
You know, you need to section small parts and sort of work
your way through it because yeah, that's a big investment, a
big avatar, you know, the jazz good on avatar of of Kane.
You know, you need, you need a lot of time to, you know, sink
into that model to make it look absolutely beautiful.
So that's good, mate. Awesome.
Oh, it's just a model that I loved as a kid and I never had
it back then. I think I got that one for £7.00
off eBay, including postage. It was dripping with paint like
then I got it. That's what I like to do, is
like I did the same. One of the one of the other
painting competition entries was a a Chaos Lord and that was
another one. Whereas I think it's that model.
I saw it on eBay for sale and I think it was like a 99 P bid or
something like that really, really cheap because it was, I
was looking at it again. It's the right shape to be that
model, but it was just covered in paint and you just dump them
in the Dettol, pull them out, give them a run over with the
toothbrush and and then yeah, try and give them a new lease of
life. And I find that really kind of
satisfying. Yeah, I think maybe that's a
hobby in itself, like a like a restoration projects, like
there's saving models that had like covered in like 5 layers of
paint, you know what I mean? Almost, yeah.
The the the Chaos Lord was, I mean, the Avataricane.
You could at least see that it was still the Avataricane.
But the Chaos Lord, I was just like, I'm going to take a pun on
this one. There's something under there.
I'll find out. That's for the mystery box.
That one? The other one.
So yeah, no, it's it's been great getting back into the
hobby and and just it's very satisfying.
So yeah, I'm still looking over there at all my stuff.
Now you're doing all that, mate. That's great.
You're probably longing for it, you know, saying like, I want to
really want to paint those models and I want to paint my
terrain and and you know, like you say, it's, it's real life
shit getting in the way, mate. You know what I mean?
Like you've got your, your, your your, your company, you're
working on your family, you have to concentrate ONS.
But yeah, the the time you have to sit down and paint, you
really value that time, you know what I mean?
So that's not that's nice, that's lovely, that's good.
And it's important. You're doing it with your
daughter too, like you're doing terrain with your daughter,
which is lovely. Yeah, doing.
I did some miniature painting as well.
She doesn't. I do it when she asks.
I don't try and push it upon her and and things like that and
what I did was actually 3D printed some miniatures at 56
mil scale for her because she's only she's quite wee and and so
it's a bit easier for her to do and to hold and things like that
and and she she had a great time and then we made-up a little
game where she was trying to rescue a dog from a maze.
There was a necromancer a necromancer because she wanted
to paint some skeletons and then I found these kind of
anthropomorphic like these animals like so it's like a it's
like a Bunny rabbit with a sword and a shield and a a cat with a
in armour and and a snake with a big spear and things like that.
So that was her kind of war band and I set up, I set up this kind
of maze with Jenga blocks and and she had to get through the
maze and rescue the dog and things like that.
And then she made a house for the necromancer at a Dupla.
She's really sweet with that kind of thing and and like the
Chaos Lord that I painted, I was entering a competition and the
theme was it had to be colourful and so I asked her what he
should be. So he was bright pink and
turquoise. So he's like bright pink with
these huge bright turquoise horns coming out, his helmet and
a zebra print cloak and things like that.
So, so she was so you know, and I I won a competition with that,
so I I might not have won it if it hadn't been for her excellent
choice of colours. That's right.
She's got a really eye for it, didn't she?
You know, that's great. It's nice because.
I like that about the bedroom battlefields, Discord that they
have like a kind of. Like, I don't know what it's
called, but it's. Like I like the hobby.
Parenting. Hobby Parenting.
Channel I really. Like that kind of thing where
it's, you know, introducing your kids to the hobby.
And I think it's really important because it's those
memories that your daughter have and other kids have that, you
know, they they bring that through into the adult life.
And I think, oh, that's right. I remember they're playing those
games with my dad years ago with those little miniatures.
And we, we did things together and, you know, rolled some dice
and stuff like that. That stays with them, you know
what I mean? So I think that's a lovely
little. Little, Yeah.
You sort of just, you know, slowly getting them into like
tabletop war gaming for the future is, if you like.
Because yeah, a lot of us sort of discovered it through books
or magazines and that kind of thing.
And other people will just sort of introduce it through their
parents or uncles or friends or. People at school and that kind
of thing as well. Mate, can you remember your
first white dwarf magazine at all?
I can't. I I've.
I've. Racked my brain a bit less over
the years and the The thing is is that I inherited a bunch of
them from my brother all at the same time right.
And I can't even, I can't even. I've I've actually got a load of
white dwarfs, old white dwarfs in PDF form that offend and I
went through a load of them and I was trying to figure out which
was the oldest one that I'd had and I just I can't pinpoint it
exactly but. Yeah, I definitely had the one
with. The cardboard bunker that I I
think I bought that. I think that was one of the
first ones that I bought, but I'm not sure if it was the very
first one that I bought for myself because I remember
building the bunker terribly. It was a really, really wonky
thing because I would have been. Oh, I don't think I'd have.
Even been 10 at that point, I think it was me kind of trying
to copy my brother and be like, oh, I could I get myself a white
dwarf as well, you know? So.
Yeah, I really I it's a shame. I remember lots of great things
from White Dwarf. Adrian would.
I think they were talking about on the Discord, but he he built
that the Dreadnought. I think it was for.
Did he build it for a Gokumoka thing there?
Was a there was AI think. There was a gokumoka thing where
there was a dread dreadnought that had got loose and you had
to try and stop it or something like that.
It was a certainly a game like that anyway, and he built it out
of two of the old kind of space or catapults and bits of bits of
the original Oak Dreadnought. Bits of the 2nd edition Oak
Dreadnought as well were in there.
There was like the metal panels off the side of the turret for
the Hell Hound and there's this little extra armour panels and I
remember looking at that and I think that was like something.
That really sparked. My brain of like, oh, I can
make, I can make all sorts of things out of all of this
nonsense. I sat and I picked out like all
these different bits of it and I was just like, so he's just he's
just made this out of out of nonsense.
That's amazing. And you know, and then I've.
I've hardly looked back since, so I'm.
Sure. I appreciate that.
That you remembered that. That's lovely.
Yeah mate, that's good. I think we'll have to cover that
issue of White Dwarf together at some point.
It'd be really nice to do with you.
I'll have a I'll have. A dig through and I'll I'll see
what I can find and I'll let you know and and we can we can I'll
really I'll really try a bit harder to find to find what I
think was the the oldest white dwarf I had certainly so it's
probably from somewhere kind of like possibly even pre rogue
trader just but but only just kind of somewhere around that
kind of era and. Was, but that was.
Like I said, it would be. It would be my brother that had
bought it, but I would have inherited that kind of thing.
I just spent so long looking through all those and, yeah,
battle reports, they're great. I loved all the little graphics.
Yeah. And and things like that.
So who's it says there's a YouTube channel that does battle
reports like that. These.
Yeah. That's the one.
Yeah, it's just. It's really did.
It just starts. Firing neurons in your brain
that haven't been there, you know like been dormant for
decades and this and they're like, oh, oh what's that?
So no, yeah, it's I'll, I'll, I'll have a dig out and we can
sort something out that's so oh, my dad do that.
Yeah, absolutely. Obviously, like your favorite
white dwarf, that's fine. Of those collection of white
dwarfs your brother had that you you inherited just have a look
and see what you find. The most reminiscent but I think
maybe the the sort of the cardstock building 1 might be a
good one for you because it's like yeah I think it'd be good
because it's a it's a the first building you built either if
it's terribly or not or whatever it doesn't matter but it's it's
links to you to being a terrain builder now in three that's also
that's also the 1st. Thing that I produced for for 3D
printing as well and that's the oldest model up on my Celts is
my my version of that. So so it does.
Tie in a little bit. Yeah, now actually, are you?
Actually gaming nowadays occasionally the.
My wife kindly will, but but we we tend to play like we've
played space weirdos and things like that.
So so not actually. Oh, I did make her play more
time, which is because that was the that was kind of actually,
one of the things that got me back into the hobby was picking
up a copy of the Mordheim rulebook in a charity shop.
I spotted it on the shelf and went, I'm going to go home with
this. That's that's lovely.
I remember that from when I was a kid.
And it is is. It's one of the most
beautifully. Complete and bits.
I don't know if you've ever looked through the more time
rule, but never have, never have mate.
Sorry. No as as a single.
As a single object, it is one of the best books that Games
Workshop has produced. There's lots of great books out
there, but this feels from front to back cover like a single
piece that has been beautifully put together.
There's nothing that looks out of place it and and the artwork
and has looks. John Blanche was I think really
wanted to be in charge of the artwork for that and and it
really shows that he, he kind of has got his fingerprints all
over it and I think him and Thomas Perrin and really.
Really obviously worked well. Together on it.
The game itself is interesting, probably.
I think it was the first thing I got my wife to play.
I think I got the rulebook home and I made some terrain out,
some Lego, all right. And.
Got some random models that I had from running D&D games and
put together 2 war bands and and had to go.
And I think I think so far actually I haven't played a lot
of games with it. But I don't think I've actually
won any games against my wife who has no experience playing
these kind of things. The closest thing she's got is
like like kind of combat in in 5th edition D&D.
And yeah, I said I've just the dice hate me, they absolutely
hate me. That's like we played space
weirdos and I had had like a little group of Imperial
Guardsmen and they had an Ogre in in there with them and he was
meant to be like the muscle with the big gun and first turn he
just got wiped off the board and I was like that's that's most of
my squads. That's like most of the points
in my squad gone in one. So yeah, so that's just the way
it is. But you know she's she's very
understanding place but I need to try and find a club to go
play at or something like that. But that's just finding the time
you know you got to drive there spend an evening there and drive
back and yeah so I'll figure something at some point but as I
say I'm I'm I'm very happy just creating yeah that's good that's
that's the bit which really my. Wife and my My wife will laugh.
At me because I like. We'll be going to bed and she'll
have gone to brush her teeth and half an hour later she'll come
back through and she go, are you coming through?
You know, can I turn the lights off?
I want to go to sleep and I'm sitting there just looking at
something I was painting earlier this evening.
I just spent like half an hour staring at what I've been
painting and looking, looking at what I can do next, looking at
bits that need tidying up and and things like that.
And but at the same time that gives me real satisfaction of
just looking at this thing that I've that I've created and and
that I've. It's good, good for your mental
health. That's what I find with this
hobby. Absolutely.
Next. Absolutely jazz.
I need to. I need to.
I need at some point I may well up my Patreon tier on your
Patreon and get some painting lessons from you.
Yeah, please do mate. Preferably to to to you.
Might be able to help me paint a bit quicker because painfully as
I look at your Commission projects and I'm just like
that's like years for me to paint one of those, yeah,
unfortunately, unfortunately. Speed comes with time, my
friend. Speed comes with time.
It's I've been painting for over 30 years now.
Would you believe it's? I saw some of the it's quite I.
Think I think you you shared some of the ones.
That was it Dark Elves that you did for Games Workshop back in
the day? Yeah, yeah, I I showed some of.
The Battle Book Pictures from the 5th edition.
Some conversions, but again it it like I know I did those, but
the the Lisbon, I think I did the Lisbon unit, but apart from
that it's very sketchy. I did some conversions and stuff
like that, but I can't really remember.
It's so long ago now. Oh yeah, yeah, I know.
I was on the air for like 4. Months.
It was like a very, very short time.
So yeah, the hazy memories of Gang's Workshop, Nottingham, the
studio. Yeah but hey mate look it's been
a a wonderful time to talk to you.
I really enjoyed meeting you and seeing you for the first time
and putting a a face to the name.
Thank you again for your patronage and I I look forward
to, if you do decide to jump on the painting tutorials, let's
let's let's just try and see what what we can do because I I
can sure, I'm sure I can show you some hacks or quick ways of
getting stuff painted quickly that you can get them, but it
depends. I mean, some people like to take
their time within miniatures, like you're doing with your
avatar and, you know, projects. Like that take a long.
Time to to complete. And if it's if it's for an army
that you're painting like a mass amount of models for, then yeah,
OK, maybe some simple solutions for those would be really
helpful. So it really depends on what you
want to do, so let me know I I will.
Do no. Thank you very much for having
me on. It's been an absolute pleasure.
I hope. I hope somebody finds this me
rambling interesting. I certainly did.
I certainly. Did I enjoy it?
Thank you very much. Thank you very much.
It saves my wife haven't listened to me for an hour.
Do you want to go to bed? Soon, but it's been good to talk
to everybody. I happen to podcast mate.
Honestly, it's it's lovely to meet all these people around the
world, including yourself. And yeah, mate, look, I've got,
I've got to go and feed my boy downstairs and I think it's
about like 8:00 up here now, so I better go down.
I won't keep you from that then, yeah.
And keep him company and and. See what he's doing there.
He's probably spent about the last two hours playing his his
Nintendo Switch. So it's time to switch that off
and eat some food. So thanks mate again for your
time today. Really appreciate it.
I know our listeners do, and I look forward to going through
your first White Dolphins in the future sometime.
Yeah, I'll, I'll. Go and get a I'll go and look up
a copy of that and have a look through it.
And so now thank you. Thank you again for having me on
and we'll just walk. OK.
Thanks mate. Thank.
You.