1 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,240 But thanks, thanks guys for coming to the Chronicle Man 2 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,640 podcast today and I really wanted to, yeah, sit you guys 3 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,840 down to talk to you as you're my oldest gaming friends and 4 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,480 friends of course from Queensland, Australia and you 5 00:00:46,480 --> 00:00:48,000 attended the Sustained Fire event. 6 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,160 I just wanted to ask you guys, yeah, like firstly what you what 7 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:53,680 did you think about the event? You know, things that maybe 8 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,320 happened during the day that you're really impressed with or 9 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,440 people you met up with or the games you played. 10 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,840 So Brad and Marcus, welcome and please tell us all about it, 11 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,040 mate. Let's, let's start with you. 12 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,760 Marcus, what did you what, what was your experience there? 13 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,840 Sustained sustained fire. Thanks Josh. 14 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,360 No, it was, it was a really good day. 15 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:18,400 I mean the the way it came about was I was I joined this little 16 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:24,360 Facebook chat group called Second Day Chat Group and there 17 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,080 was about, I guess a dozen people on it and most of them 18 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:30,480 were from Brisbane. And some of them I knew, many I 19 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,000 didn't. And yeah, it started to sort of 20 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,120 snowball, you know, the number of people joining this chat 21 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:43,480 group about six months ago. And yeah, someone just raised 22 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,400 the fact that, you know, it was going to be the 30th 23 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,040 anniversary. This year. 24 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,480 And and they said we should, you know, we should get together and 25 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,000 have a, you know, celebration of the day and it kind of just 26 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,320 snowballed from there. But Tim? 27 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:05,360 Tim organised it all and Stewart organised some shirts. 28 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,880 There was all sorts of things like on the day that they'd 29 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,880 organised like trophies and swap meet. 30 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,920 There were things on display that were like, you know, really 31 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,800 old unique things. Like there was an original metal 32 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:26,680 Thunder Hook gunship in its in its wooden case on display, but 33 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,040 someone owned. Which is pretty cool to see 34 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:30,520 because I've never seen one before. 35 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,440 And I think we ended up having about 28 people. 36 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,440 Brad, was it about 28? Yeah. 37 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:39,880 About, yeah. About that. 38 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:44,040 Yeah, I think so, Yeah. And yeah, look, they you know, 39 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:50,640 they made trophies of the the original 2nd Ed Goth and you 40 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:55,040 know, scaled it up and and made you know 3 trophies. 41 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,320 And it wasn't you know best general or anything like that. 42 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:04,560 I think that from memory it was best painter, most retro and 43 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:10,400 best theme and which was cool because you know like everyone 44 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,120 was kind of doing it just for fun anyway and laughs and yeah, 45 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,400 but there was there wasn't any sort of competitive carry on and 46 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,120 and you know we spoke about the whole vortex grenade issue 47 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,600 beforehand and and virus grenades. 48 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,640 And you know the general consensus was just don't be a 49 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:35,840 Dick you know if you if you go then expect to be ostracized. 50 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,320 So and it was good. I I don't know I didn't hear of 51 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:43,040 anyone that had vortex grenades and certainly not virus 52 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,720 grenades. So yeah, look it was only like a 53 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:52,000 two round session like day because I mean obviously with 54 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,600 with second date it takes a lot longer to play it than what the. 55 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,520 The modern version does. So yeah, I think we started at 56 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:04,000 about 9:00 and finished at about four 4:30 and got two games in 57 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,080 and you know stopped for pizza for lunch and and you know, 58 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:08,600 yeah, it was, it was really, it was good. 59 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,960 It was well run, well attended. You know, everyone there was 60 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,920 just having laughs and stuff like that and and yeah, it was 61 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,640 really cool to see all The armies too, like and a lot of it 62 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,320 was, yeah, it was first, it looked like Rogue Trader or 63 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,400 second deck stuff. You know, there were some people 64 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,880 there that had later editions, you know, models and stuff like 65 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:29,960 that. But yeah, no one was being 66 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:31,400 pedantic about it or anything like that. 67 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,920 It was all all in, you know, in good fun. 68 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,840 And yeah, it was just, it was really well run. 69 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:40,080 What about you, Brad? What do you think of? 70 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,120 The day I thought it's going to tell you, yeah, I had a good 71 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,600 day. I already enjoyed enjoyed 72 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,720 myself. I found I found out about it 73 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,120 through the Marcus. So the. 74 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,520 You know, I'll fade on what was going on behind the scenes, but 75 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,600 I I got your message. I said Oh yeah, sounds like a 76 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:57,120 bit of fun. I'll, I'll go check that out. 77 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,120 And I thought you were coming down to Auckland for the day. 78 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:04,240 So yeah, we'll catch up and have a game of game or two or 40K 79 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:09,440 second edition, yeah, but you know it was a good day, well 80 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,280 organised. It's cool to see the old army 81 00:05:12,280 --> 00:05:14,800 so. There was some. 82 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:20,920 I think there was a guy I knew from the Horace Heresy group I 83 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:27,200 play with who had a old school 2nd edition Necron army. 84 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:33,560 Those the ones that came with the white dwarf here, the Tim, I 85 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:34,960 think it was Tim was his name here. 86 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,320 The army is them. Pretty cool. 87 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,960 Yeah, there was. Yeah, heaps of stuff there. 88 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:48,960 Stuff for sale. Tim, the guy who organised it, I 89 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,280 played him. Yeah, they're like an Imperial 90 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:58,040 Agents army with Gray Knights. And then I played the markers 91 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,400 with your Orcs. So yeah, good fun games. 92 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,360 But as you say, yeah, I've got a comment on the Vortex grenade 93 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,560 things because I was half expecting to see a Vortex 94 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,320 grenade pop out. But no, no. 95 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,480 I came. The closest to me came is I 96 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,320 think the game I had is with Tim. 97 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,040 He had an inquisitor with Vortex as his psychic power. 98 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,840 It backfired on it horribly when I had the demonic attack Chaos. 99 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:26,920 The demonic attack psychic card. Yeah, Mr. Inquisitor went. 100 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:30,840 Brilliant. Brilliant. 101 00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:33,680 Well, I mean, you can. You can accept. 102 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,480 You know the Vortex well, the the Holocaust. 103 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:37,760 What? What is it called again? 104 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,480 Vortex it is called. Vortex, Yeah, you can kind of 105 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,120 accept that as being, you know, part of the the rules with the 106 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,160 psychic rules like that. Because, I mean, you kind of got 107 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:54,920 to be lucky to get it anyway. But it was, you know, there was 108 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:59,600 other things that that you could do to sort of stop that. 109 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:04,640 Yeah, exactly. And yeah, I I that army of teams 110 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,040 was quite compact wasn't it? It You know, I think this 111 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,680 granite's like some ridiculous amount of points and and and he 112 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,160 only had about 20 figures in the in the army, didn't he? 113 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,600 Most of the stuff was pretty squishy, like half, well 3/4 of 114 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,880 the army was like the depth of star bites. 115 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,840 And insistence. Of battle, which didn't fare too 116 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:27,960 well against Chaos Space variants. 117 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,760 The Gray Knights said. Did I think he got his points 118 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:33,840 worth out of the Gray Knights though? 119 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,040 They did the damage. Yeah, they half straight through 120 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,120 me, but as expected. But yeah, yeah, good game, good 121 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,680 game. But I played you Marcus, and 122 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,560 yeah, that was an entertaining game as well with your war boss 123 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:52,360 on his bike. Dog Rod, Dog Rod. 124 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:53,960 Not Dog Rod. Sorry. 125 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,560 Guts Wozniak. A Guts neck. 126 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:56,960 Yeah. Yeah. 127 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,960 I was going. To ask him, I guess, was that an 128 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,080 official model or was that an official unit but they just 129 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,920 never released a model for it and the and the seconded codecs? 130 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,760 Or was that? That's right that he was. 131 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,160 He was a character in the back of the codecs, but they never 132 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:18,960 made a model for him. And you know, when I first 133 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,800 realized I was going to be going down to that that that day for 134 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:25,840 those games, I was thinking to myself, I'm going to take a, A. 135 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:30,920 War Boss on foot and give him like a warp jump generator, just 136 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,840 but it laughs. But then I thought, no it 137 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,760 doesn't really fit in with the army that I took which was Evil 138 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,880 Sons and I wanted to make it as themed as possible. 139 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:49,360 And so I ended up thinking, well why not take the the the War 140 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,760 Boss for Evil Sons. That's in the back of the book. 141 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,400 But then I realized obviously I need to make. 142 00:08:55,200 --> 00:09:01,440 A make a a model for it. A lot of nice comments about him 143 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,960 on the day and when I posted the pics up on Instagram and and a 144 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:10,120 reel of it, it got quite a a lot of likes and views which was 145 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,840 nice. You know sometimes you put a lot 146 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,480 of effort into things and and post them up on on these social 147 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:21,520 media channels and and it gets ignored and and sometimes you 148 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,760 put up up something that's pretty average in it. 149 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,800 It goes viral, so who knows sometimes when you when you do 150 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,640 this stuff, but it's always nice to get feedback and comments so. 151 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:32,680 Yeah, for sure, mate, That's. Nice. 152 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,920 That's great. And like, who was the best match 153 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,920 up of the day? Like, did you enjoy the game 154 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,080 against Brad the most, or was it someone else in particular that 155 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:43,920 you really enjoyed playing a game with on the day? 156 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,640 Yeah, look, the the first guy that I played was Blood Angels. 157 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,200 He he took a an interesting, I mean not certainly not one that 158 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:58,040 I would have taken. It was predominantly infantry, 159 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:04,480 like he had two 210 man squads, like tactical squads, a scout 160 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:11,320 squad, a librarian, a captain and I can't remember what else, 161 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,560 but there was no vehicles and no bikes or anything, so. 162 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:20,120 Yeah it was. It was a different army and 163 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,600 unfortunately for him, I had two pulsar rockets and I don't know 164 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,680 whether you've been on the receiving end of pulsar rockets 165 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:31,240 with an infantry heavy army, but it really stuffs you around. 166 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,920 And I I got, I got lucky you know I rolled Well they they 167 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:40,320 they landed on target and yeah just flattened half of his army 168 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,640 for. You know, basically two turns 169 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:47,040 because one of them, I rolled a double and so it stayed the next 170 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,400 turn and yeah, it just allowed me to sort of move, move up my 171 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,640 vehicles and shoot the hell out of him. 172 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,520 So yeah, he was a little bit unlucky in that regard, but it 173 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,880 was a good game, you know, He was a fun bloke to play against. 174 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:03,840 I'd play against him, you know, in a heartbeat. 175 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,320 It it, it was good fun, yeah. Had a lot of laughs and and. 176 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,120 You know, it was a nice painted army, but yeah, as I said, 177 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,080 different. Certainly not what I expected. 178 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,280 You know, I would have thought that any Marine army and most of 179 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:21,360 them there did have either a Predator. 180 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:26,360 Some of them had Land Raiders, but they all pretty much had at 181 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:30,880 least one tank and. And Terminators. 182 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,720 Terminators seem to be pretty popular on the day as well, but 183 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,240 it was a good mix of armies actually represented like they 184 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:42,680 had I think almost everything except the full squat army. 185 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:48,840 There was a pool that that had a squat allies in his army I 186 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:53,000 think, and I think there might have been one or two other 187 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,800 people that might have had one squad or two squads or something 188 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,400 like that. So yeah, no, it was, it was it 189 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,640 was good. And you know there was some 190 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,400 really nicely painted armies too. 191 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:10,120 Most of them were marines for some reason like that couple 192 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,400 nice blood Angel armies and ultra marine armies. 193 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,760 Yeah, so, and the terrain actually I have to say as well, 194 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,840 team the organiser he the amount of effort and time he put into 195 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,440 making all these. All this terrain for all the 196 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,960 tables he was showing working progress picks, you know in the 197 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,880 weeks leading leading up to it and yeah, look, these tables 198 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,480 turned out schnick, you know, but they they were really good, 199 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:42,640 you know it they were all varied in in, you know their themes. 200 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,440 So you know, there was an Eldar themes table. 201 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:51,240 There was a number of walk tables, you know, a snow tundra 202 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,880 table. Forest table, you know, jungle 203 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,360 table. Yeah, it was all sorts of stuff. 204 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,000 So it was good. And I think, you know, a lot of 205 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:02,640 the photos that were posted up after the day by everyone showed 206 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,680 a lot of that too, which was, which was good because it was 207 00:13:06,680 --> 00:13:10,920 all posted on that Warhammer Second day Facebook page. 208 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,800 And I think, I think we ended up actually inspiring a few other 209 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,400 groups across the world to do their own day. 210 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,280 Which was pretty cool. I mean you know we were the 211 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:28,160 first ones to do it and post it all up and you know a few other 212 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:31,720 people like I think over in the UK that they did at least one or 213 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,560 possibly two. Italy, I know, I'm pretty sure 214 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:41,880 they did did one and somewhere else in Europe that that I'm 215 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,280 sure they did. But France possibly. 216 00:13:44,680 --> 00:13:45,840 But anyway, yeah, it was, it was good. 217 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,160 It was good to see sort of, you know, the the resurgence. 218 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:55,280 And it it kind of makes you wonder why, why people have gone 219 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,840 back to the second end because I don't know if you've really sort 220 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,680 of noticed job. But like in the last 12 months 221 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:07,280 in particular, the prices of of second end stuff has gone 222 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:11,960 through the roof like it's just suddenly become really valuable 223 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:17,240 all of a sudden and prices have like doubled like literally in 224 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,520 12 months. So I think there must be a lot 225 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:24,240 of people. Getting back into it, have you 226 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,520 noticed that? I haven't because I'm just, I'm 227 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,800 just not in the market mate, so I don't really know. 228 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,720 To be honest, I'm still trying to paint the other stuff I've 229 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,080 got here, so without having to think about buying anything 230 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,040 else, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean I've been trying to 231 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,480 sort of add to my collection, you know, over the last two 232 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,680 years, just sort of getting back into it again and picking up all 233 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,480 models that I always wanted but would never afford or or find 234 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,520 and. Adding to to the collection and 235 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,280 I you know my warp army has swelled dramatically you know in 236 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,320 the last couple of years I think I've got about a counted it 237 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:03,480 actually was about 650 odd models mostly metal I think 238 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:09,200 there's about 100 plastics in it but yeah it's it's really gotten 239 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:14,640 big so now I've I've I've pretty much got enough models to make 240 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,440 about a three to 4000 point army for each clan. 241 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,640 So yeah, it's going to be huge when it's all done, if if it 242 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,760 ever all gets done. But I'm looking forward to that. 243 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,280 I'll start with The Evil Suns and and I think I'll be working 244 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:36,440 on the The Bad Moons next. And Brad, I want to ask you too, 245 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:37,640 mate. Like this is the first second 246 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,000 edition game you played since the 90s, yeah? 247 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,800 Yeah, pretty much, Yeah. Yeah, probably about 1998. 248 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:51,320 OK, I think. How did it feel for you? 249 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,440 Like, you know, after having played all of the other editions 250 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,160 things, because you've played a lot more of the the modern ones 251 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,480 than I have. How how did it feel going back 252 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,760 to the, you know, the the early days? 253 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,760 It felt a bit weird at first because I just remember, hang 254 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:10,200 on, I don't remember this. The two biggest things was the 255 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,200 facing, because after third edition, facing didn't really 256 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:14,400 matter. Yeah. 257 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,080 Racing and what was the other thing? 258 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,680 Probably the close combat system was a lot more. 259 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:23,360 Basically it was model per model. 260 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,400 Later it just squad the squad. You just roll up. 261 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,080 Get up all your attacks, roll your attacks and the other 262 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:32,600 player does the same for their unit. 263 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:39,200 Whereas second edition it was like well once per you know, one 264 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,240 lot of dice for each model and that that's works well and works 265 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,040 OK in smaller scale games but. Yeah, in in the later editions 266 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,120 of the game where you're playing much bigger armies, then 267 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:50,840 obviously that. That's not an. 268 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,840 Ideal system. Yeah, I mean by the secondary 269 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,960 close combat rules is probably one of the the bigger gripes 270 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,360 that people have about the game. But I mean, I love it. 271 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,600 I love it. It's all right, yeah. 272 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,520 As you said, if you've only got one or two combats going each 273 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:10,400 turn that are fairly small, But yeah, if you've got a close 274 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:13,040 combat army and half your army's in close combat, it's a 275 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:17,920 nightmare. Oh, really? 276 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:23,079 OK, I was just going to say to Marcus when I was talking to Tim 277 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:27,359 about what army I was going to take a few nights before the I 278 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,680 said I've got a I've got a bunch of cults painted up. 279 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,680 I might just take a chaos coven that's just just for shits and 280 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:37,200 giggles till I'd actually added up. 281 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,320 How many models you would actually need to make a 1500 282 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,760 point army? They came to literally 4 or 500. 283 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:45,440 Models. That's crazy. 284 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,880 I'll just feel like even then there was cheap as they are now, 285 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,760 they're about four. That's a model and I think even 286 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,640 even the latest edition, they're still like 4 points a model. 287 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:02,800 They were complete rubbish. Harvesting on a human, yeah. 288 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,840 And I thought, how was it taking about 400 models going to go one 289 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,600 second? I think it would be a very long 290 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,360 game. What I find interesting is 291 00:18:14,360 --> 00:18:18,680 though is they're sort of with the kill team game, they're 292 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:23,560 going back to the smaller, the smaller battles concept. 293 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,040 Like kill team of, you know, it's basically squat of guys 294 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:30,080 versus a squat of guys. It's basically. 295 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,600 What are the rules? Like like for that. 296 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,720 Because I've never played it. I haven't played it either, but 297 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,560 I do have the rule book for him. It's similar to Necromanda. 298 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,920 Oh, OK. Well, they prefer rule. 299 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:46,920 Hand to hand rules anyway. Like second hand, yeah. 300 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,440 Yeah, that's. So yeah, I haven't actually 301 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:53,640 played. I've got, I've got the rules. 302 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,760 So I should be, should have a game one day Marcus. 303 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:01,680 But yeah, it's designed, yeah, the smaller game, just and each 304 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:04,680 model is basically a character, even though it's just like a, 305 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,160 you know, they're just standard tactical marines. 306 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:12,440 Or Orcs. Or whatever, Yeah. 307 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,880 Basically it's yeah, designed a smaller game, so. 308 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,720 I remember reading a thing on the Internet years ago where 309 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,760 some guy said he was talking to a Games Workshop manager and 310 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,880 this is back in the, I think towards the end of 7th or 8th 311 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,240 edition fantasy. Or was it? 312 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,560 Yeah, before they killed off fantasy. 313 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:38,640 And basically the idea that they had was you had to bring a 314 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,920 massive army for fantasy. People just couldn't afford. 315 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,760 That's why they killed it, because people couldn't afford 316 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:45,360 to play. It. 317 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,280 The guy said I was talking to a Games Workshop manager, he said 318 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,840 basically they're cutting their own throat by, you know, these 319 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,280 ridiculously huge armies that people just can't, don't have 320 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:02,320 the money to buy into. Like they said, just to getting 321 00:20:02,360 --> 00:20:07,320 a decent size 2 or 3000 point fantasy army and towards the end 322 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:11,160 you'd be spending at least $1000, probably more. 323 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,360 Yeah, it wouldn't be so expensive to get into it if they 324 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:17,480 actually had cheaper prices for the models. 325 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,120 But that's a whole other story. Yeah, Yeah. 326 00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:23,200 But we're not going to go. I ran into that kind of pricing 327 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:24,560 essentially. Is that my pick? 328 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:29,000 But yeah. But coming back to 2nd edition, 329 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,440 I I think it did have its charms. 330 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:36,680 Yeah, there are some things I miss about it, which sadly, I 331 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,040 wish they'd sort of carried over into the modern game. 332 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,880 No, I don't think it slowed slow down the game that much. 333 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:44,240 What? What about it? 334 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:47,920 Did you miss Brad? I did like the Overwatch rules. 335 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:54,400 I did like. I thought the psychic things was 336 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,360 actually pretty fun, yeah. I love it. 337 00:20:57,360 --> 00:21:01,080 That's one of my favourites. Yeah, and they've sort of. 338 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,760 Each edition, they seem to muck around with the psychic 339 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,840 condition of rules. Psychic condition rules, So 340 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,360 somewhere. Better. 341 00:21:08,360 --> 00:21:11,880 Some are worse. But I think that system they had 342 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,440 with the cards, it was a fun system, yeah, Yeah. 343 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,760 And I mean, if they brought that back up, I think people would 344 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,360 be. I mean too many. 345 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:23,800 People would be unhappy with that. 346 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,800 I mean, I think, I think unfortunately over the years 40K 347 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:35,440 has evolved into a game where they're trying to make it 348 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:42,840 playable in a tournament setting and to have like the card system 349 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:47,520 of of, you know, psychics and how you randomly draw your 350 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,760 powers and things like that. I have a feeling that most 351 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,120 modern players in tournaments would hate it because it's too 352 00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:56,080 random. And in fact, I think they will 353 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,120 hate that, that they just wouldn't like the whole idea of 354 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,400 of Second Head because of the randomness involved at pretty 355 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:06,200 much all levels. I don't know that that's my 356 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:07,760 answer to the personal take on that. 357 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,320 But you know to me the randomness and the the crazy 358 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:16,040 outcomes that you can have because of that randomness is 359 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,840 what makes the game sound bloody good. 360 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,520 Because you just have this thematic occurrences that you 361 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,760 know change the tide of the battle in in hilarious and and 362 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,200 catastrophic ways. And and they're the things you 363 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,760 talk about after the game. You know when you're sitting 364 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:37,520 around having a post game wrap up and and talking about, you 365 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,560 know the highs and lows, it's it's always the the crazy bloody 366 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,080 things that you don't expect that that you remember when 367 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,720 you're when you're playing second and so. 368 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,240 Yeah, exactly. I mean, yeah, that's one thing I 369 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:52,760 didn't like. That was the randomness of the 370 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,440 psychic power. So I think you should have been 371 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,760 able to choose them. Yeah, if they would. 372 00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,040 Do you? Do you think though that 373 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,000 everyone would just end up taking like, you know, the 374 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,080 inquisitive power vortex for example, You know? 375 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,040 That's the problem, yeah. That's the problem I think you 376 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:13,640 probably some would have to be nerfed, somewhat expensive and 377 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,800 expensive. Like high risk, high reward 378 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,240 type. OK, so this is expensive and 379 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,120 pretty devastating, but if it goes on you can backfire on you 380 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:29,680 horribly so. Yeah, like it shouldn't be an 381 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,680 auto include. It's people should think, Oh 382 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,920 yeah, this is pretty good, but it's worth a lot of clients 383 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,560 quite backfire on me, is it? Would it be better off spending 384 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,320 the 25 points, for example, on on something else? 385 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,600 Yeah, so. I think that's the sort of 386 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,640 calculation rather than just here. 387 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,080 Here's something that's really OP it's cheese. 388 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,960 You can use it every turn. And yeah, there's no sort of 389 00:23:54,120 --> 00:23:58,200 risk in doing so. Yeah, I mean, I guess they tried 390 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,520 to sort of limit that with using the power cards and having the 391 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:06,480 different level power required to, you know, get the power off. 392 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,080 But yeah, they could have taken that a little bit further, I 393 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,160 suppose, for some of the more overpowered ones. 394 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,040 Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I was going to say, 395 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,920 Marcus, in regards to the War Gear, yeah, there's no virus. 396 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,960 No, no virus or vortex, which, yeah, I was half expecting. 397 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,800 They have a virus outbreak. Were they using strategy cards 398 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:37,400 on the day? It's like yeah, So what, an Orcs 399 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,120 or Imperial Guard or some other army that didn't have, you know, 400 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,520 didn't have power armour then yeah. 401 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,280 Look, you know if you think about it from the the background 402 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,840 fluff suppose or or the the reality you know situation. 403 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,720 Of course you know there would be like virus grenades and 404 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,800 things like that going around because that would be the most 405 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,720 effective way of you know, for marines to eradicate bloody 406 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,680 Orks. And you know any, you know 407 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,360 unrespirated the biggest of the, you know, army. 408 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:12,360 So it it makes sense that they would do that. 409 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,520 But from a game perspective, it's not a good idea because 410 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,560 it's just too. Too bad, yeah, yeah. 411 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:23,960 And it was such a cheap thing. But yeah, but the others would 412 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,680 be good old days. I'm glad you glad you went mate. 413 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:29,760 That's good. It's good to see you there and 414 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,640 and Marcus also and and I'm sure. 415 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,160 You know shout out to Todd robber I'm I I I told him about 416 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,600 it and him and his wife were interested but they just didn't 417 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,440 get there for the day. So I'm sure, like I said to 418 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,640 Marcus, I'm sure next year you'll see another influx of new 419 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,560 people coming in or interested to come up Interstate or 420 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:55,840 something to play on the day. So you know, considering the the 421 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,480 whole day was only planned I think about six weeks in advance 422 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,480 or something like that, it was a fairly short time frame and it 423 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,920 kind of sprang out of nowhere. It wasn't heavily advertised, 424 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:14,440 you know, well in advance, you know, I mean obviously there was 425 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,360 a lot of online presence. Tim was doing a lot of social 426 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:23,520 media posts for it and even set up a a page for it, which was 427 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,960 really helpful. But yeah, I mean it's from a 428 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,400 time frame perspective. I mean, look, let's face it, the 429 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,920 older we get, the harder it is to sort of, you know, dedicate a 430 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,640 whole day or. More to go and you know go and 431 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,280 have a tournament or or you know a couple of games so you you 432 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,880 want as much notice as possible. And I think you know if they're 433 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,080 going to do it again next year, which hopefully they do. 434 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,560 I think talk is they're going to think about doing it at Briscon, 435 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,760 which I kind of. Hope they don't because I'm 436 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:59,440 likely to be there as a seller from all you know from a 437 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:05,680 miniatures. But yeah, I think that that 438 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,880 that's what the plan is to go there and that way you know more 439 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,160 people know about it. It's advertised far more broadly 440 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,760 and that you know that probably would get a lot more players 441 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,960 purely because of that. You know it being held in 442 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,400 conjunction, you know, with a well established tournament or 443 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,000 gaming convention, you know, in Brisbane, so. 444 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,480 OK, Brad, Marcus. Thank you. 445 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:31,200 Thank you much. Sorry. 446 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,400 I was just going to say too, just quick before we wrapped up, 447 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,600 I did invite Pino to come along all right. 448 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,160 Yeah. Please seem interested, but then 449 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,040 I told him he couldn't take his Black Templars as black. 450 00:27:44,360 --> 00:27:47,480 Yeah, I think he. Should he wasn't interested. 451 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:48,400 Yeah. Poor old Pino. 452 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,080 Yeah. Gee, that's a that's a name from 453 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:50,800 the past. Wow. 454 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,360 I have to try to catch up with him too. 455 00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:54,920 Actually, I still catch up with Pino when we got a game 456 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:56,000 organized. Oh. 457 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,640 Good. OK, Please tell him I said 458 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:58,320 hello. I'll need to. 459 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,080 I'll tell him I'm going to message him soon and I'll have 460 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,440 to say hello to the old, my crazy Italian friend in 461 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,240 Brisbane. Don't worry about it. 462 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,000 So yeah, that's great guys. I'm really, really happy. 463 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,480 You're still playing, so it's good and getting together and 464 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,600 playing together. Yeah, but yes, I'm going to get 465 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,680 back to me painting this afternoon, so. 466 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,760 Me too, mate. I've got some Rogue Trader orcs 467 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,560 here I'm painting up, so I'm going to and Barca got some 468 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,200 stuff sculpting, so, yeah, so it'd be good, guys. 469 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,600 All right, guys. Well, I'm sure we'll get you 470 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,320 back on at some point again in the future. 471 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:39,880 Talk about something. Until then, take care and catch 472 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:45,320 again next time, all right. Bye. 473 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:19,680 None.