1 00:00:12,040 --> 00:00:14,440 Hello everybody, welcome to the Krannickerman podcast. 2 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,420 This is Joshua Host and today I 3 00:00:17,420 --> 00:00:19,540 have the pleasure of speaking with Mark. Mark 4 00:00:19,540 --> 00:00:23,660 is a active member of the Bedroom and Battlefields 5 00:00:23,660 --> 00:00:26,380 Discord Group and the Krannickerman Discord Group. 6 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,340 If you don't know what Discord 7 00:00:28,340 --> 00:00:31,980 is, Discord is an application that's accessible 8 00:00:31,980 --> 00:00:33,800 through your phone and through your desktop 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,100 computer. It's basically a social 10 00:00:37,100 --> 00:00:39,880 networking site without all the ads and all the other 11 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,480 garbage that goes with most social networking sites 12 00:00:42,480 --> 00:00:46,360 these days. It has channels related to 13 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,220 hobby and whatever it is because we created our own 14 00:00:49,220 --> 00:00:52,980 Discord group and then we can then facilitate 15 00:00:52,980 --> 00:00:57,110 different text and voice channels in there. So 16 00:00:57,110 --> 00:00:59,410 people can access, for example, for a Krannickerman 17 00:00:59,410 --> 00:01:04,170 one, you can access the Avalanche painting channel 18 00:01:04,170 --> 00:01:07,810 which showcases loads of people's wonderfully painted 19 00:01:07,810 --> 00:01:11,570 projects or work in progress images of their 20 00:01:11,570 --> 00:01:13,650 models that they're painting. It 21 00:01:13,650 --> 00:01:16,630 could be about bad reports and people posting up about 22 00:01:16,630 --> 00:01:18,930 their games they're playing. It 23 00:01:18,930 --> 00:01:23,420 could be more specific to a game, a specialist game 24 00:01:23,420 --> 00:01:25,920 or main game like Epic Space Marine, Man of War, 25 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:28,460 you name it, it's all there. So 26 00:01:28,460 --> 00:01:30,160 there's numerous channels where you can go through 27 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,560 and check out what wonderful stuff people are 28 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,860 doing out there in our community. And 29 00:01:34,860 --> 00:01:37,040 if you wanted to sit down and paint and chat with 30 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,320 one of the guys during the week, there's voice channels 31 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:41,940 where you can do that. You can access like this a 32 00:01:41,940 --> 00:01:44,080 camera so you can show people what you're painting 33 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,900 at the time or if you just want to chat and talk 34 00:01:46,900 --> 00:01:49,340 to the guys there as you paint, which is a really 35 00:01:49,340 --> 00:01:52,460 nice social aspect to the Discord which I think is 36 00:01:52,460 --> 00:01:54,160 one of the strongest features of it personally. 37 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:56,380 And I get to connect and chat 38 00:01:56,380 --> 00:02:00,540 with guys all around the world with different time 39 00:02:00,540 --> 00:02:02,600 zones. So it's been a really 40 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,560 invaluable part of the community as we see it 41 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,220 grow and more people join and share their stuff and 42 00:02:09,220 --> 00:02:12,600 connect. Maybe there's a player locator 43 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:15,500 channel where you can maybe find someone locally in 44 00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:19,400 your area that plays the same games you do. So 45 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:22,180 it's become a valuable extension and tool for us 46 00:02:22,180 --> 00:02:25,440 to grow our community and feel that we're even 47 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,160 closer. We've got remote games where 48 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:31,980 people host like Chris and Cameron hosts games in Man 49 00:02:31,980 --> 00:02:34,060 of War. I played Space Hulk. I 50 00:02:34,060 --> 00:02:36,200 played the entire Space Hulk campaign with Chris 51 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,420 through Discord, which has been fantastic. So 52 00:02:39,420 --> 00:02:41,600 that means basically he sets up the board and all 53 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,760 the miniatures and I just instruct where I want my 54 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,820 models to go and I roll the dice and I show my 55 00:02:46,820 --> 00:02:49,020 camera where my dice are and that kind of thing. 56 00:02:49,460 --> 00:02:50,740 And we have a great time. We 57 00:02:50,740 --> 00:02:53,400 have other people joining in and yeah Discord's 58 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,800 become a really valuable part of our community as 59 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,380 we see it sort of grow and hopefully develop over 60 00:03:00,380 --> 00:03:02,640 time. So me and Mark talk about 61 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:06,460 that a lot and also Mark is a patron of mine and 62 00:03:06,460 --> 00:03:10,720 also part of the painting tutorials that I do for a 63 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:14,700 number of students at the moment, which is great to 64 00:03:14,700 --> 00:03:17,940 see that sort of growing and I'm showing people how 65 00:03:17,940 --> 00:03:20,460 to do certain techniques like how to paint black, 66 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:26,360 how to paint yellow or how to paint a specific race. 67 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:28,720 For example, Power Storbs, how 68 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,560 to do the reds and all that kind of thing, how to 69 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:36,440 paint faces, how to do certain techniques. So 70 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,340 me and Mark have done a couple lessons now. We're 71 00:03:38,340 --> 00:03:39,820 going to do a third one this week and it's been 72 00:03:39,820 --> 00:03:43,200 great to see his progress through Discord as he posts 73 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,540 up work and progress shots. So 74 00:03:46,540 --> 00:03:50,640 that's another great feature and it sort of connects me 75 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,340 and him as well. We can talk and chat and 76 00:03:53,340 --> 00:03:56,460 paint at the same time as I show him different things 77 00:03:56,460 --> 00:03:59,600 that he needs to learn to continue with his projects 78 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,560 that he's painting on. So if you want to check out 79 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,180 the Patreon for the Chronic Command, it's a we have a 80 00:04:06,180 --> 00:04:08,640 seven day free trial that you can go and access all 81 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,560 the painting videos now. There 82 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,560 are two that are available. One 83 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,240 is the Ork Space Ork, he's an evil son's, I've painted 84 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,920 the face and done the my recipe for the skin tone 85 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,300 on that. And there's also Night Goblin 86 00:04:21,300 --> 00:04:23,600 now, which you get to vote on, you get to vote to 87 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:25,980 see what you want painted each month. And 88 00:04:25,980 --> 00:04:27,780 at the moment, there's a Night Goblin. I 89 00:04:27,780 --> 00:04:30,980 did the black on his robes and I did the free hand 90 00:04:30,980 --> 00:04:32,940 marking on that as well. So 91 00:04:32,940 --> 00:04:36,460 doing a bit of free hand painting black was the one 92 00:04:36,460 --> 00:04:40,180 we did for April this month. So 93 00:04:40,180 --> 00:04:42,860 you get to vote again next month to see what next 94 00:04:42,860 --> 00:04:45,480 minute you want me to paint for that. So 95 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,860 that's part of the Storm Boy tier. And 96 00:04:48,868 --> 00:04:51,120 then there's the heavy ledge, painted surreal tier 97 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,500 where you get a 40 minute lesson with me, one on 98 00:04:54,500 --> 00:04:57,540 one, just going through what aspects of painting 99 00:04:57,540 --> 00:04:59,660 you want to learn about. So, 100 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,120 but we get to talk about that in the interview 101 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,820 anyway, so you get to know more about that as we go 102 00:05:04,820 --> 00:05:06,480 along. But I hope you enjoy Mark's 103 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,320 conversation with me. I really enjoyed it. I 104 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,100 hope to have Mark back on at some point in the 105 00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:15,200 future, as he has a load of great things to talk 106 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,520 about and lots of knowledge about the hobby and great 107 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,980 ideas. So until then guys, enjoy the 108 00:05:20,980 --> 00:05:30,520 interview. Yeah, thanks for taking the time 109 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:31,700 to come and chat with us. No, 110 00:05:31,780 --> 00:05:32,780 you're all right. Don't worry. It's 111 00:05:32,780 --> 00:05:36,320 good. And yeah, today we're going to 112 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:41,260 talk about, you know, your involvement with firstly 113 00:05:41,260 --> 00:05:46,720 your initiative to start up a group. Is 114 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,500 it called the Orcs Tavern or something like that? I 115 00:05:48,500 --> 00:05:52,820 feel the reminder. Yeah, so it's the Royal Orc. And 116 00:05:52,828 --> 00:05:56,540 it's the idea was we had over on the Bedroom 117 00:05:56,540 --> 00:06:00,720 Battlefield Discord community, we decided to 118 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:04,900 run a kind of Christmas party, if you like. And 119 00:06:04,900 --> 00:06:07,020 it was going to be done in the style of a virtual 120 00:06:07,020 --> 00:06:09,200 pub. And we had, you know, pub 121 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,400 games and silly things like that and quizzes and just 122 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,820 general chat and getting to know each other and people 123 00:06:14,820 --> 00:06:17,140 painting along. It worked really well. We 124 00:06:17,140 --> 00:06:20,140 had about probably 20 people join, which we were 125 00:06:20,140 --> 00:06:24,620 really surprised by. So David and myself sort of 126 00:06:24,620 --> 00:06:27,040 got together afterwards and said, well, you know, this 127 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:28,800 is something that we could do more frequently. And 128 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,520 we decided we'd do it on a kind of quarterly basis. 129 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:32,860 So we did one in December, 130 00:06:32,900 --> 00:06:35,300 and then we ran another one in March, going to do 131 00:06:35,300 --> 00:06:37,340 another one in June and then September. So 132 00:06:37,340 --> 00:06:39,460 there'll be kind of four times a year that people 133 00:06:39,460 --> 00:06:42,780 can get an opportunity to meet up and chat. And 134 00:06:42,787 --> 00:06:44,440 it's worked really well, actually. And 135 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,200 it's been great to get to know people, see their 136 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,900 faces and kind of find out a bit more about what 137 00:06:48,900 --> 00:06:51,960 they're up to, tell some silly stories and plan. 138 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:53,780 And, you know, it just sort of 139 00:06:53,780 --> 00:06:57,980 gives a bit of a structure around, rather than doing 140 00:06:57,980 --> 00:06:59,860 it as a drop -in, we thought, well, let's try 141 00:06:59,860 --> 00:07:01,820 and do it as a two -hour session. And 142 00:07:01,820 --> 00:07:03,900 then people join for the majority of it. And 143 00:07:03,900 --> 00:07:05,900 actually, most people were able to come along and 144 00:07:05,900 --> 00:07:08,520 join for the whole lot. So it was great. That's 145 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:09,420 awesome. That's great. Yeah, 146 00:07:09,460 --> 00:07:11,000 it was a really great idea. I 147 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,320 did manage to catch the last, what, 20 minutes 148 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,960 before everyone dropped out and went to bed. Yeah, 149 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,360 I think for you, it was at like four in the 150 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,280 morning or something, ridiculous, wasn't it? I 151 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:21,820 think it was like, I think I got up at five, I was 152 00:07:21,820 --> 00:07:23,540 going to get up at four, but then I just couldn't 153 00:07:23,540 --> 00:07:24,860 do it. I don't know why. And 154 00:07:24,868 --> 00:07:27,920 I just, you know, naturally just woke up at like early 155 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,600 about five, 30 or so, and then jumped in, or I think 156 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,000 it might have been six o 'clock or something, and you 157 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,420 were still there. And I thought I'd just jump in 158 00:07:33,420 --> 00:07:34,480 quickly. But yeah, I was really 159 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,360 surprised at the number of people there. And 160 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,560 I thought it was such a great idea. And 161 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,300 the Royal Orc, I think, is a great name. And 162 00:07:44,300 --> 00:07:46,400 yeah, you're going to see lots of people in that you 163 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,040 had some topics you discussed during that 164 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,980 session. And yeah, it was just good to 165 00:07:51,980 --> 00:07:54,480 see people just doing a hobby and hanging out and, 166 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,180 you know, showing their faces on camera or not. 167 00:07:57,340 --> 00:07:58,360 And then, you know, just 168 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,020 contributing to the conversation. I 169 00:08:00,020 --> 00:08:01,960 think it's a really good idea. Yeah, 170 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,320 it was something that worked well, because we 171 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,320 talked probably 12 months ago about the idea of 172 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,840 having regular paint and chat sessions. And 173 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,740 I think because the painting chat sessions that 174 00:08:12,740 --> 00:08:15,120 exist on your kind of command discord are popular, 175 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,220 it felt like maybe that was a little bit potential 176 00:08:18,220 --> 00:08:20,660 duplication. So there's already is somewhere 177 00:08:20,660 --> 00:08:22,100 to go with it and do that. So 178 00:08:22,100 --> 00:08:24,060 it felt like we wanted to come up with something that 179 00:08:24,060 --> 00:08:25,980 was got a little bit of something different about 180 00:08:25,980 --> 00:08:28,100 it. And that seemed to work. And 181 00:08:28,100 --> 00:08:31,160 the other thing that people enjoyed about it is I 182 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,240 tried to bake in things that are, you know, like, 183 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:36,860 for example, roller d6, and then we had like just 184 00:08:36,860 --> 00:08:39,700 random conversation generators and this kind of 185 00:08:39,700 --> 00:08:42,400 thing to talk about certain topics and stuff. Because 186 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,520 I think that sometimes you get those awkward silences 187 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,780 where everyone joins and no one really knows each 188 00:08:46,780 --> 00:08:49,040 other. So just ways of doing that to 189 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,860 stimulate it and kind of drive it forward and turn 190 00:08:51,860 --> 00:08:54,860 it into a bit more of an interactive session. I 191 00:08:54,868 --> 00:08:56,860 think so much so that actually Matthew and I have 192 00:08:56,860 --> 00:08:59,860 been talking about the fact that you could kind of do 193 00:08:59,860 --> 00:09:02,080 a slightly stripped down version about and actually 194 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,060 run it as a podcast. I know you have in the past, 195 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,560 you've had podcasts where you've had maybe seven or 196 00:09:06,560 --> 00:09:09,060 eight guests on and you've hosted and asked them 197 00:09:09,060 --> 00:09:11,380 questions and stuff. And it's nice to hear so many 198 00:09:11,380 --> 00:09:13,640 voices and so many people's different views on it. 199 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:15,980 Yeah, I think podcasting can be 200 00:09:15,980 --> 00:09:17,780 a really lonely play sometimes if you're just 201 00:09:17,780 --> 00:09:19,940 doing it solo. And that's why I just do not 202 00:09:19,940 --> 00:09:22,860 do solo podcasts. I had done it in the past, 203 00:09:22,940 --> 00:09:25,040 but I just refuse to do them now. That's 204 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,640 why it kind of affects it on me with me sometimes 205 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,720 when he can. And I always have a guest on, 206 00:09:28,980 --> 00:09:30,300 you know, to talk about something because you want 207 00:09:30,300 --> 00:09:32,920 that extra voice, you want that sort of, you know, to 208 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,260 and fro a bouncing of ideas back and back and 209 00:09:35,260 --> 00:09:38,340 forth and actually having a conversation. I 210 00:09:38,340 --> 00:09:40,800 was going to suggest even to you, because I started 211 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,160 doing live streaming recently. And 212 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,140 I bring on not just one, but maybe two guests at a 213 00:09:47,140 --> 00:09:49,700 time. And it's just a nice way to, 214 00:09:50,380 --> 00:09:53,000 again, sort of you have a conversation about a certain 215 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,780 topic. And I'm a fan of certain other 216 00:09:55,780 --> 00:09:58,800 other YouTubers that do this. And 217 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,140 I think it's a really great way to invite former 218 00:10:01,140 --> 00:10:04,340 guests back onto the onto the live stream. And 219 00:10:04,348 --> 00:10:06,280 for other people to get to know them, they can see 220 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,920 them talk to them, they can interact with them. So 221 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:10,720 it's kind of in the same kind of medium. But 222 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,640 what we're talking about, of course, is Discord. And 223 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,260 Discord is still quite a enigma for some people that 224 00:10:17,260 --> 00:10:19,580 just don't know what it is, how to get into it. 225 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,200 And it's quite a difficult, 226 00:10:22,620 --> 00:10:24,900 well, not difficult, but it's not difficult to get 227 00:10:24,900 --> 00:10:27,240 in and enter and start. But 228 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,640 I think navigating your way through Discord is kind of 229 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,060 strange and new for people who have never seen 230 00:10:33,060 --> 00:10:35,040 something like this before, you know, going from 231 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,580 personal experience. So maybe it's a good topic 232 00:10:37,580 --> 00:10:40,980 now about Discord and, you know, how did how to how 233 00:10:40,980 --> 00:10:44,020 to get in, how to find these chat rooms and that 234 00:10:44,020 --> 00:10:46,920 kind of thing. Yeah, it's a strange one. And 235 00:10:46,928 --> 00:10:51,180 I when I signed up to Matthew's Discord, I'd never 236 00:10:51,180 --> 00:10:53,940 had a Discord account before. And 237 00:10:53,940 --> 00:10:55,580 I just thought, well, I'll give it a go. And 238 00:10:55,580 --> 00:10:56,740 I'll see what it's like. And 239 00:10:56,740 --> 00:10:58,900 I joined and that that point, that's probably the 240 00:10:58,900 --> 00:11:00,620 second person to join or something. There 241 00:11:00,620 --> 00:11:03,000 was only a handful of people in there. So 242 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,340 it was quite a safe space to sort of try out what 243 00:11:05,340 --> 00:11:07,640 even the how even the technology worked and all 244 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,900 that kind of stuff. I mean, I've not got any, 245 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,720 I've kind of about 10 years ago, I got rid of 246 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:14,800 all my social media accounts, because I was 247 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,760 just finding it just exhausting, just doing 248 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,400 scrolling and looking through all this sort of 249 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,700 endless stuff and all the adverts coming in. And 250 00:11:22,700 --> 00:11:25,940 just found it like it wasn't good for me. So 251 00:11:25,940 --> 00:11:27,800 I got rid of all that. And 252 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,900 I found I was a little nervous, well, would this 253 00:11:29,900 --> 00:11:32,300 call be similar? But I think it's sufficiently 254 00:11:32,300 --> 00:11:35,300 different it's quite focused. However, 255 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,300 what I then did is I then found your Discord and 256 00:11:38,300 --> 00:11:40,420 joined that and then I joined about seven or eight 257 00:11:40,420 --> 00:11:43,000 other ones. And that point, I then found I 258 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,780 was a bit overwhelmed. So I'm now only a member of 259 00:11:45,780 --> 00:11:48,740 two or three. And that for me is about the 260 00:11:48,740 --> 00:11:52,480 sort of peak spot where I can keep it organized. And 261 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:54,700 I know what I'm doing. And I can have a little bit 262 00:11:54,700 --> 00:11:56,840 of time looking at it. And then I can have some time 263 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,800 away. And it just doesn't become too 264 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,940 much. Because I think that all of the 265 00:12:00,940 --> 00:12:03,600 social media platforms out there, they're all private 266 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,400 companies. And they're all obsessed with 267 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,160 keeping you on the platform. That's 268 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:10,620 essentially what any software solution is. And 269 00:12:10,620 --> 00:12:13,420 nowadays, it's keep you there, keep you on the 270 00:12:13,420 --> 00:12:15,460 platform, get the adverts in front of you. So 271 00:12:15,460 --> 00:12:18,400 same as the television was, you know, in the 1960s, 272 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,620 never one was panicking that children are going to 273 00:12:20,620 --> 00:12:22,460 be polluted by the TV. And, 274 00:12:22,540 --> 00:12:26,340 you know, essentially, social media is all about 275 00:12:26,340 --> 00:12:30,000 putting interesting stuff in front of you so that you 276 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:34,220 then read all the commercially beneficial stuff 277 00:12:34,220 --> 00:12:36,340 to the companies who are advertising. But 278 00:12:36,340 --> 00:12:38,620 Discord doesn't have that about it as to whether it 279 00:12:38,620 --> 00:12:41,000 will in the future. I don't know. And 280 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:43,440 I think that that's a risk area, but something we just 281 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:44,840 got to manage as a community. But 282 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,800 as a way of getting to know people and have 283 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:52,440 conversation and be open and honest and positive, I 284 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,280 think it's really fantastic. I 285 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,460 mean, I'm genuinely surprised by how little 286 00:12:56,460 --> 00:13:00,440 negative comments ever creep in, how many people ever 287 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,760 say things that are a bit off color. It's 288 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,520 almost never. The community is very self 289 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,700 -pleasing. And I think that there's almost 290 00:13:08,700 --> 00:13:11,480 a Connecticut that comes with Discord, where once 291 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,580 you get a critical mass of people behaving in a 292 00:13:13,580 --> 00:13:18,480 positive, you know, sort of grown up way, then everyone 293 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,620 else will follow suit. And I think that you will you 294 00:13:21,620 --> 00:13:23,180 will have experienced that on yours, certainly. 295 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:24,680 Absolutely. Yeah. No, 296 00:13:24,860 --> 00:13:27,720 I like coming into Discord and didn't know what it 297 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,300 was. And I was quite, I don't know, 298 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,280 a little bit cautious about Discord or just not overly 299 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:35,960 well -me'd about because when I got in there, I 300 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:36,860 thought, oh, what's this? You 301 00:13:36,868 --> 00:13:38,600 know, it just seems like it's a bunch of separate 302 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,340 channels and people are chatting and that kind of 303 00:13:40,340 --> 00:13:41,940 thing. But then I over the years, 304 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,560 I've really grown to love it. And 305 00:13:43,560 --> 00:13:47,140 it's my number one source of not just information, 306 00:13:47,340 --> 00:13:48,860 but interaction with people. And 307 00:13:48,860 --> 00:13:51,000 I think the paint and chat is the best thing ever, 308 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,380 because what it enables me to do, it enables me to 309 00:13:54,380 --> 00:13:57,440 paint and talk and not get distracted. And 310 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,420 I think you touch on it really well there with all 311 00:13:59,420 --> 00:14:01,800 the other social media platforms, even though they 312 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,720 have their own, you know, useful properties and that 313 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,420 kind of thing. We go to Facebook for certain 314 00:14:07,420 --> 00:14:09,540 relatively thing. We don't go to the paint and 315 00:14:09,540 --> 00:14:12,300 chat, but go there to look at other people's miniatures 316 00:14:12,300 --> 00:14:14,340 or enter discussions, maybe. But 317 00:14:14,340 --> 00:14:16,920 mostly it's just for like pictures and watching people 318 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,280 doing their hobby and that kind of stuff. But 319 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,540 Discord is a great way where you can have that. 320 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:25,480 Plus, you can have these channels 321 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,040 where you can watch, for example, remote play games, 322 00:14:28,300 --> 00:14:32,720 guys, host, matter of war, Blood Bowl, you name it, 323 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,180 whatever game they're playing. We 324 00:14:35,180 --> 00:14:37,560 do a lot of that on our Discord, but you guys do a 325 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,980 lot of similar sort of stuff, but sometimes a bit 326 00:14:40,980 --> 00:14:42,460 more varied. You talk about books or we 327 00:14:42,460 --> 00:14:44,760 talk about, you know, parents with their kids and 328 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,060 gaming, you have your own sort of, you know, as you 329 00:14:47,060 --> 00:14:49,980 say, your own paint and chat channels as well. So, 330 00:14:49,980 --> 00:14:51,580 yeah, like I said, they're really good environments, 331 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:56,900 very friendly. People are just, it makes people 332 00:14:56,900 --> 00:14:59,780 enthusiastic about the hobby, gets motivated to do 333 00:14:59,780 --> 00:15:02,160 stuff. We've got painting challenges with 334 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,140 the whole thing. So it's fully encompassing. I 335 00:15:05,140 --> 00:15:06,340 think it's very welcoming. And 336 00:15:06,348 --> 00:15:09,940 like I said, like it's just full of positive, good 337 00:15:09,940 --> 00:15:12,380 people. And yeah, I think that sort of 338 00:15:12,380 --> 00:15:13,480 rubs off on other people. And 339 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,240 I don't think we have any sort of bad eggs. You 340 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,020 might get the occasional one, but they don't last 341 00:15:18,020 --> 00:15:20,860 very long. Yeah, that's true. And 342 00:15:20,860 --> 00:15:23,380 I think the other thing that it seems very good at 343 00:15:23,380 --> 00:15:29,380 is being respectful of the fact that everyone, so we 344 00:15:29,380 --> 00:15:32,440 always kind of use this phrase that we're, I say 345 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:33,840 always use the phrase, I can't remember what the 346 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,000 phrase is now, but it was something along the lines 347 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,260 of, you know, we've all got, we're sort of very 348 00:15:41,260 --> 00:15:45,100 diverse in our approach, but we're united in our 349 00:15:45,100 --> 00:15:47,060 passions and our interests. You 350 00:15:47,068 --> 00:15:48,800 know, and I think that that's the thing that 351 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,080 really works is the fact that you have this 352 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:54,360 environment where people who, there might be people 353 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,540 who are collecting brand new age of sigmar models 354 00:15:56,540 --> 00:15:59,200 and showing off their brilliance looking stuff. 355 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,980 But then at the same time, it 356 00:16:01,980 --> 00:16:04,720 would never be seen as inappropriate or wrong for 357 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,640 someone to make a bit of a golden space marines joke 358 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,060 or something like that and say, oh, I only like the 359 00:16:10,060 --> 00:16:11,880 90s stuff. It's almost like everyone is 360 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:13,920 entitled to their opinion. And 361 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,980 it's all just collecting toy soldiers and playing 362 00:16:16,980 --> 00:16:19,580 with them. And everyone's very mindful of 363 00:16:19,580 --> 00:16:20,920 that. So there's, there's kind of 364 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,400 people are passionate about what they're passionate 365 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,820 about, but never to the detriment of somebody else's 366 00:16:24,820 --> 00:16:26,720 passion. So I think that that's, that's 367 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,040 incredibly evident in how people are. And 368 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,640 some of the stuff that I've seen that other people 369 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,760 do, you know, it might be things that you think, 370 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,260 well, I personally wouldn't do that. It 371 00:16:35,260 --> 00:16:37,800 doesn't hold interest for me, but I totally respect 372 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,140 the fact that they're doing it. And 373 00:16:39,140 --> 00:16:41,340 the way that they're doing it, the passion they're 374 00:16:41,340 --> 00:16:44,380 putting in is, is remarkable. Yep, 375 00:16:44,540 --> 00:16:48,520 absolutely. So yeah, if one has a 376 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,260 different take on the hobby, what, what the hobby 377 00:16:50,260 --> 00:16:52,520 means to them, it could be sort of current stuff, 378 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,460 could be old stuff, like we do. But 379 00:16:55,460 --> 00:16:57,240 it's great to see people just, you know, painting 380 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,540 and doing something that's, you know, very beneficial 381 00:17:00,540 --> 00:17:05,560 for them in terms of having a hobby, like ours. 382 00:17:06,140 --> 00:17:07,680 So yeah, yeah, it's great. So 383 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:09,319 we've got historical stuff. Well, 384 00:17:09,339 --> 00:17:10,680 I think we've got on our channel too, historical 385 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,200 gaming as well. We've included that. We 386 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,900 don't have so much of the modern stuff, but it does 387 00:17:15,900 --> 00:17:18,319 pop up every now and again, which is fine. Like 388 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:20,420 we're not going to shun anybody to say, hey, you 389 00:17:20,420 --> 00:17:22,020 know, we don't do modern stuff. It's, 390 00:17:22,020 --> 00:17:24,280 it's, it's nice to see people just actively doing 391 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:26,640 something. Maybe they're playing the latest 392 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,140 game of a one of a quest or something with their 393 00:17:30,140 --> 00:17:32,360 kids, or they're playing the latest here request or 394 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:33,880 something like that with their kids, which is really 395 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,980 great. And I know you guys are quite 396 00:17:35,980 --> 00:17:39,620 diverse in the topics you cover, because it ranges 397 00:17:39,620 --> 00:17:42,200 from everything from, you know, like solo play type 398 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,500 really niche game companies to like the big boys like 399 00:17:45,500 --> 00:17:47,480 games workshop and all that kind of thing. But 400 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,660 yeah, I mean, it's, it's great to see just people 401 00:17:51,660 --> 00:17:55,160 active, you know, showing pictures, because that can 402 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,900 be quite daunting for people too, isn't it? Like 403 00:17:56,900 --> 00:17:58,880 showing their photos or their model models and 404 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,420 stuff like that. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's a 405 00:18:02,420 --> 00:18:04,900 really significant thing, I think. So, 406 00:18:05,620 --> 00:18:08,500 you know, I was, you know, I was in the hobby until 407 00:18:08,500 --> 00:18:10,540 like when I was, when I was about 12 to I was 408 00:18:10,540 --> 00:18:14,660 about 14, and then by about 1994, I got out of 409 00:18:14,660 --> 00:18:18,500 it and never did anything again until 2018, where 410 00:18:18,500 --> 00:18:21,540 2018 seems to be a date that crops up a lot, where 411 00:18:21,540 --> 00:18:23,960 people say, oh, in 2018, I got back into it. So 412 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,640 we've got a theory that there's some kind of 413 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:30,280 twintail comic flew over the planet and reactivated 414 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,040 something inside our brains or something like that in 415 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,560 2018. But either way, that was the 416 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,840 point that I saw the boroughs and badges figures. 417 00:18:38,100 --> 00:18:39,260 I'm sure you've seen those and 418 00:18:39,260 --> 00:18:41,220 I got that game and I started playing it with my 419 00:18:41,220 --> 00:18:42,720 daughter and she loved it. I 420 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,500 painted those and slowly but surely, you know, end 421 00:18:45,500 --> 00:18:47,840 up getting more things, getting into more games, 422 00:18:48,340 --> 00:18:51,240 painting more stuff. But I never shared any images 423 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,880 of anything I'd painted until I'd joined the 424 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,940 Bedroom Battlefields Discord. I'd 425 00:18:55,940 --> 00:18:58,240 never put anything online, partly, like I say, having 426 00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:59,900 any social media accounts. So 427 00:18:59,900 --> 00:19:01,800 therefore, where would I show them? But 428 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,920 other than to, you know, friends and family, it was 429 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,620 all behind closed doors and there was a sense of it 430 00:19:06,620 --> 00:19:09,940 being, well, I don't think they're probably painted 431 00:19:09,940 --> 00:19:12,200 particularly well. And of course, that might be 432 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,440 true. But it's the fact that they're 433 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,020 painted in the first place, that's people want to see. 434 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,360 And when you share a painted 435 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:21,800 model, no matter the standard of that paint job, 436 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,200 what almost 99 % of people in our communities want to 437 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,560 see is, oh, that's a brilliant model. I 438 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,300 like how you painted it. I love your choice of colors. 439 00:19:30,580 --> 00:19:32,100 It looks fantastic. It 440 00:19:32,100 --> 00:19:34,760 really come alive. Every single painted model looks 441 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,520 better than every single gray model. That's 442 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,100 my theory. And just to see paint on 443 00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:42,020 models and inspire people. And 444 00:19:43,139 --> 00:19:46,060 actually, I've found it a great motivator to share 445 00:19:46,060 --> 00:19:49,320 things that, you know, that I'm doing. And 446 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,980 I've not ever had any feedback to make me feel 447 00:19:51,980 --> 00:19:54,480 like, oh, maybe I should have made that look better 448 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,400 before I shared it. It's almost always positive. And 449 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,680 anyone who gives you any sort of a tip, it will be 450 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,460 very politely phrased. And oh, that looks fantastic. 451 00:20:05,580 --> 00:20:07,260 One thing you could do, if 452 00:20:07,260 --> 00:20:09,480 you're interested, is do this to it, but it's a 453 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,160 bit more work and it's not for everyone. Those 454 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:12,680 kind of comments. And it's like, I really 455 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,240 appreciate that. Really warm welcome, because it is 456 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,460 daunting to show stuff. And if you look at Instagram, 457 00:20:19,780 --> 00:20:22,440 it's a big competition. But you look on these 458 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,480 communities, it's not it's, it's much more about just 459 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,060 enjoying the models and enjoying the hobby together. 460 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:29,680 Yep. Now, that's a good point. 461 00:20:29,860 --> 00:20:31,740 I think people get sort of, 462 00:20:31,740 --> 00:20:33,940 or they feel like you say, they feel like, oh, well, 463 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,080 at the, we've got like a heavy lead channel on our 464 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,780 discord. Maybe they presume that it's only 465 00:20:39,780 --> 00:20:42,360 for top painters. Well, it's not the case. It's 466 00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:44,620 like, just show your stuff, you know, doesn't matter 467 00:20:44,620 --> 00:20:46,380 what level you are, you're just starting out, you 468 00:20:46,380 --> 00:20:48,780 know, you got your kids painting or whatever, just 469 00:20:48,780 --> 00:20:50,820 show it because I think people would be really 470 00:20:50,820 --> 00:20:53,460 encouraging. Firstly, and like you say, they 471 00:20:53,460 --> 00:20:54,980 offer tips or whatever. And, 472 00:20:55,180 --> 00:20:57,840 you know, it's always going to start somewhere. So 473 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,040 like yourself, you started, you got back in 2018, and 474 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,200 got back into the hobby, you felt more comfortable, 475 00:21:03,380 --> 00:21:05,040 you know, showing your pictures of your models 476 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,320 with the guys on the, on the discord there, which is 477 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,640 really great to see and great to hear. And 478 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,620 it can only just grow from there, because you're, 479 00:21:12,620 --> 00:21:15,260 you're getting feedback, or you're getting encouragement, 480 00:21:15,260 --> 00:21:17,660 and you're seeing other people's painted works, and 481 00:21:17,660 --> 00:21:21,160 you're starting to get more motivated to, you know, to, 482 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,960 to better yourself in your hobby, which is great. That 483 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,860 also, it's another great segue, because we, we do 484 00:21:27,868 --> 00:21:30,300 our own painting classes together through Discord, 485 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,720 don't we? We do, we do, which I've 486 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,640 really enjoyed. And actually, what I've found 487 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:41,180 really beneficial from that is being able to take 488 00:21:41,780 --> 00:21:44,840 things that I thought were true, and things that I 489 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,280 thought were, I was, that I was limited by. So 490 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,880 the parameters that I thought existed, and, and 491 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,640 using your expertise to try and say to me, no, those 492 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,600 aren't necessarily your limitations. These 493 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,160 are things that you can do. I 494 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:58,720 think that's what a good teacher can do is they can 495 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,780 open up the possibilities of your potential, and they 496 00:22:01,780 --> 00:22:03,820 can actually take the lid off, rather than say, I'm 497 00:22:03,820 --> 00:22:05,940 going to help you reach the lid. They're 498 00:22:05,940 --> 00:22:07,520 going to say, no, there is no lid. Don't 499 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,880 worry about that. You can get you beyond that. I 500 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,440 think that the standard of painting on some of the 501 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,440 figures that I've done as a result of your lessons 502 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,660 is definitely significantly better. But 503 00:22:17,660 --> 00:22:22,240 it also, I haven't felt daunted by this slightly 504 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:26,680 bizarre sense of the concern about doing a paint 505 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,460 job on a model you like that's of an appropriate 506 00:22:29,460 --> 00:22:32,860 standard to befit the model. There's 507 00:22:32,860 --> 00:22:35,260 something about the artistry that the sculptor has put 508 00:22:35,260 --> 00:22:38,280 in, and then you have to do the rest. It's 509 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,360 quite an unusual thing, really, as an art form 510 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:43,500 that you are taking someone's art and then 511 00:22:43,500 --> 00:22:45,760 completing it. Never would you buy a painting 512 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,520 for your home and then find that you've got to do 513 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,260 the rest on it. You know, or a film that, you 514 00:22:51,260 --> 00:22:53,980 know, oh, it's the latest Martin Scorsese film, but 515 00:22:53,980 --> 00:22:56,100 the final 20 minutes is missing, so you're going to 516 00:22:56,100 --> 00:22:58,080 have to make it yourself on your phone. You 517 00:22:58,088 --> 00:23:00,700 know, there isn't, those things don't exist. So 518 00:23:00,700 --> 00:23:02,900 it's quite an unusual experience. And 519 00:23:02,900 --> 00:23:06,980 sometimes I think feeling overwhelmed by the sense of 520 00:23:06,980 --> 00:23:09,660 duty that you have to paint something to a 521 00:23:09,660 --> 00:23:12,240 standard that is appropriate. And 522 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,200 I do think that the, and it will have always been 523 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,620 the case, but the studio scheme paintwork that you 524 00:23:18,620 --> 00:23:21,940 get that's there to inspire you can equally be quite 525 00:23:21,940 --> 00:23:23,900 intimidating, quite frightening. And 526 00:23:23,900 --> 00:23:25,740 I think the painting lessons have really helped 527 00:23:25,740 --> 00:23:29,840 me, A, with the technical side of the painting, the 528 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,560 actual practical technical side, but I think massively 529 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:36,620 with the psychological barrier of getting started, 530 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,500 putting something into it, seeing what you can do. 531 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:41,400 You know, the ones that I've 532 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,540 just done now, these May Queens that you've shown me 533 00:23:43,540 --> 00:23:46,440 how to do these very light white dresses that would 534 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,180 almost be semi -transparent so that there's flesh tones 535 00:23:50,180 --> 00:23:52,040 that you can slightly see where skin is pressed 536 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,980 against it. I'm really pleased with how 537 00:23:53,980 --> 00:23:56,160 they're coming together. But when I saw the studio 538 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,380 scheme for those, the reason I bought those 539 00:23:58,380 --> 00:24:01,340 models was also the reason that those models sat there 540 00:24:01,340 --> 00:24:05,520 unpainted for 12 months. So the very same inspiration 541 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,420 also became perspiration. You 542 00:24:08,428 --> 00:24:12,900 know, and I think that it was absolutely key to me 543 00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:15,860 to be able to access that mentoring thing. I 544 00:24:15,868 --> 00:24:17,720 don't think that people need mentoring and coaching, 545 00:24:17,980 --> 00:24:19,420 you know, generally in life. And 546 00:24:19,428 --> 00:24:22,160 the best companies and the best, you know, recognize 547 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,100 the fact that professionals need that. And 548 00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:26,440 everyone needs to learn from everyone else. And 549 00:24:26,448 --> 00:24:29,380 learning is not something that just you do once. But 550 00:24:29,380 --> 00:24:31,440 yeah, now the fact that lessons to be absolutely 551 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,720 really, really useful, but also incredibly enjoyable as 552 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,860 well, and really look forward to them. No, 553 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,280 that's good, mate. Yeah, I think you did really 554 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,640 well, because I thought that was quite an 555 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,160 intimidating technique. And to be honest, I never have 556 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,420 done that before. I've never done like that kind 557 00:24:46,420 --> 00:24:48,900 of technique before. I can see the guys who do 558 00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:51,400 it on certain miniatures they're painting or 559 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,600 whatever. And I know I can see the 560 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,620 process, but I've never done it myself and I had 561 00:24:55,620 --> 00:24:57,440 never had the model to do it. So 562 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:58,600 it was really good for me. It's 563 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,420 great for you. I'm glad that you sort of 564 00:25:00,420 --> 00:25:02,940 found some, you know, found a practical way and easy 565 00:25:02,940 --> 00:25:06,320 way of doing it to achieve that effect. And 566 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:07,980 it wasn't so complicated. It's 567 00:25:07,980 --> 00:25:11,060 only like just two colors, really, wasn't it? You 568 00:25:11,068 --> 00:25:13,040 know, two or three, that's all we had. So 569 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,600 that's two or three paints. And 570 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,480 you could achieve that just through a certain process 571 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,000 of, you know, from start to finish. And 572 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,320 that way you could practice painting those maidens like 573 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,360 that. And I think that looked really 574 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:27,440 nice, mate. So I've seen progress on 575 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,740 Discord there. So well done to you for 576 00:25:30,740 --> 00:25:32,120 sticking in there. Thank you. I've 577 00:25:32,120 --> 00:25:33,460 just got to get them finished now. But 578 00:25:33,460 --> 00:25:34,800 yeah, they are coming together. And 579 00:25:34,808 --> 00:25:38,120 I think that it's so lovely, isn't it, when you 580 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:40,220 see something that you've put off for whatever 581 00:25:40,220 --> 00:25:43,680 reason. I've just actually had, just 582 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:48,380 arrived on Saturday morning, a Green Knight model, I 583 00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:49,380 bought off Gaines Workshop. The 584 00:25:49,380 --> 00:25:51,400 first thing I bought off Gaines Workshop since 1994. 585 00:25:53,500 --> 00:25:55,580 And it arrived and it looked 586 00:25:55,580 --> 00:25:58,060 absolutely fantastic. I mean, it's an absolute 587 00:25:58,060 --> 00:26:01,460 master's class in Perry Brothers sculpting, isn't 588 00:26:01,460 --> 00:26:04,120 it? And it's so wonderful. But 589 00:26:04,120 --> 00:26:05,680 again, that's one of those ones. And 590 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,220 you look at that Mike McVeigh job with those 591 00:26:08,220 --> 00:26:12,320 hands, those freehand curlicues all across, all 592 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,260 the barting and everything. And 593 00:26:14,268 --> 00:26:19,320 it's, it would be very tempting to say, I'll paint 594 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,400 that one day. But I want to paint that this 595 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,160 year, you know, that's, that's, because putting it 596 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,040 off, what's the value in that? When 597 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,820 I can get so much enjoyment and joy from 598 00:26:28,820 --> 00:26:31,420 doing it, doing it now. And 599 00:26:31,420 --> 00:26:32,680 you can just take your time with it. You 600 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,700 know, it's like a centerpiece for your 601 00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:36,540 collection. So you can just take it just 602 00:26:36,540 --> 00:26:38,660 easy, just take it step by step, just take it easy, 603 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,800 painting it and then sort of just watch it grow and, 604 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,160 you know, develop over time. Yeah, 605 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,960 it's great. It's a really good thing that's 606 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,740 made to order. It's got people sort of really 607 00:26:49,740 --> 00:26:52,640 excited about, you know, buying those old relics 608 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,600 that you could, you couldn't afford or couldn't 609 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,460 get when you were younger. But 610 00:26:56,460 --> 00:26:59,600 now they're sort of remastered if you like, you 611 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,440 know, in new molds, new materials, maybe new metals 612 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,280 they're using. Yeah, this was metal and it was 613 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,220 25 pounds, which I think is not bad. That's 614 00:27:08,220 --> 00:27:11,280 pretty good. Yeah, I was happy with that. I 615 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,440 mean, it was more money than, you know, I'd 616 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,440 normally pay, but for a one off, I thought, yeah, 617 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,620 that's all right. It's certainly a lot cheaper 618 00:27:17,620 --> 00:27:19,840 than you buy on the second hand market. It's 619 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,620 brand new and a really crispy cast and there's no 620 00:27:22,620 --> 00:27:24,720 extra flash on it. It looks really good, which I 621 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,060 did actually half wonder, you know, how many people 622 00:27:27,060 --> 00:27:30,640 do they employ at their factory who are skilled 623 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,040 metal casters? Because when was the last time 624 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,180 they made metal models? I don't really know, but I 625 00:27:35,180 --> 00:27:36,960 presume they don't make many of them. But 626 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,740 then they've come out well. So, 627 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,140 you know, they've fair play to them. They've 628 00:27:40,140 --> 00:27:41,160 done a good job on it. And 629 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,740 they've been respectful of their heritage, which is 630 00:27:43,740 --> 00:27:45,720 possibly one of the things that people get a little 631 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,000 bit riled about whether they are respectful of 632 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,800 their heritage. But I think ultimately they've 633 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,300 been trying to make money and sell more stuff. I 634 00:27:53,300 --> 00:27:55,740 mean, that's why Warhammer exists, doesn't it, to sell 635 00:27:55,740 --> 00:27:58,220 more figures. You know, when you really step 636 00:27:58,220 --> 00:28:00,320 back a bit, sometimes we can all get a bit annoyed 637 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,280 about them being a private company wanting to make 638 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,940 money. But it's always ever been the 639 00:28:04,940 --> 00:28:09,000 case, hasn't it? Yeah. So now, talking about 640 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,120 Warhammer, you attended Big Warhammer Day. Now, 641 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,060 is this something that correlates with the Royal 642 00:28:17,060 --> 00:28:19,800 Org? Sort of. So, 643 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,520 yeah, I mean, this is kind of, this is a very, very 644 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,020 nice circular conversation, because it all roads lead 645 00:28:26,020 --> 00:28:27,820 back to playing Warhammer. And 646 00:28:27,820 --> 00:28:29,400 this is where it all began. And 647 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:34,340 what happened is we last year were intending in the 648 00:28:34,340 --> 00:28:36,960 Bedroom Battlefield community to try and do a bit of a 649 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,660 meetup and go to bring out your lead. And 650 00:28:38,660 --> 00:28:40,420 it didn't come to pass. We didn't really properly 651 00:28:40,420 --> 00:28:44,020 arrange anything. And it didn't go, a couple of 652 00:28:44,020 --> 00:28:46,100 people went independently, but we didn't do a meetup 653 00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:47,840 or anything. But one of our community 654 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,220 members, Jason, he's got these absolutely beautiful, 655 00:28:51,380 --> 00:28:54,960 enormous Alcan Goblin and Empire armies, about 8 ,000, 656 00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:57,820 9 ,000 points of each, just, you know, serious 657 00:28:57,820 --> 00:29:02,120 stuff. And it's spectacular. A 658 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,420 lot of it is perimenaches in the Empire range, a lot 659 00:29:05,420 --> 00:29:08,220 of historical figures. He's got a lot of the Lord of 660 00:29:08,220 --> 00:29:10,220 the Rings figures in the Orc range. So 661 00:29:10,220 --> 00:29:12,560 it's all got that kind of quite realistic sort of 662 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,220 look to it. It's not your Kev Adams vibe. 663 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,920 It's more of a kind of late 664 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,120 90s or 2000s kind of look to it. And 665 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,560 it's absolutely stunning. And 666 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:29,600 what Jason's done is not only been, you know, 667 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,100 amazingly prolific in the amount of stuff he's 668 00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:37,340 painted, but he's also, he arranges games at his home 669 00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:39,780 and he invites people in, he teaches people the 670 00:29:39,780 --> 00:29:41,860 games. He's a an absolute ambassador 671 00:29:41,860 --> 00:29:44,220 for the hobby, you know, very much in the way that 672 00:29:44,220 --> 00:29:45,960 you've got people like Chris and Calum on the 673 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,700 Manowar side of things. You know, trying to get more 674 00:29:47,700 --> 00:29:51,580 people into doing it. And Joe Jason brought up this 675 00:29:51,580 --> 00:29:53,420 huge setup. We hired the Village Hall 676 00:29:53,420 --> 00:29:55,480 where I live in the Midlands in England. And 677 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,000 Jason lives in the south. And 678 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,440 then we had another guy, Ed, who's in our community, 679 00:29:59,620 --> 00:30:01,960 who lives on the south coast. And 680 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,840 Luke, who lives up near Sheffield. And 681 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:05,860 we all came down to the Village Hall on Saturday. 682 00:30:06,340 --> 00:30:07,160 We were there for about nine 683 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,340 or 10 hours, played this enormous game of 15 foot 684 00:30:10,340 --> 00:30:15,180 by six foot table, four player game. And 685 00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:17,400 it was a huge baggage train ambush. So 686 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,920 the Empire would deploy it along this road, and then 687 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,500 the Orcs were on them. And Jason had devised the whole 688 00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:24,640 scenario. There was twists and turns in 689 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,160 there. We did magic item drafting 690 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,680 using the fourth edition magic set, and spell 691 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,600 drafting as well. And we used the sixth edition 692 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,900 rules for speed of play, really, more than anything 693 00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:39,480 else. We wanted something that, so 694 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,500 Jason was saying, though, I think this is probably the 695 00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:44,620 best rule set for a big, big, big game, because it 696 00:30:44,620 --> 00:30:46,100 keeps it kind of simple. But 697 00:30:46,100 --> 00:30:48,340 we have, for example, on there, there's three steam 698 00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:52,040 tanks, two giants, three giants, you know, it was 699 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,780 serious. And that's even before the 700 00:30:54,780 --> 00:30:59,940 reinforcements arrived. But it was brilliant. And, 701 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,540 you know, just an amazing day. It 702 00:31:01,548 --> 00:31:04,020 was the first time I'd played Warhammer in 30 703 00:31:04,020 --> 00:31:06,100 years. The first time I'd ever played 704 00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:08,680 it properly, I think, because I think I'd 705 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,000 probably only actually played it as a lot of 706 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,620 kids our age would have done when they were, you 707 00:31:13,620 --> 00:31:16,760 know, young teens would have played it sort of not 708 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,400 properly and just fumbled through a bit. This 709 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,860 was a proper setup, but at the same time not 710 00:31:21,860 --> 00:31:25,380 overwhelming. The mechanics of it kind of 711 00:31:25,380 --> 00:31:27,580 came back. We were, I mean, very much 712 00:31:27,580 --> 00:31:30,720 guided by Jason. He curated the whole thing and 713 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,280 the actors as Game Master as well as playing. You 714 00:31:33,288 --> 00:31:35,040 know, he came and set it all up in the morning, 715 00:31:35,220 --> 00:31:36,440 packed it all the way in the evening. You 716 00:31:36,448 --> 00:31:39,140 know, it took like an hour and a half to set up and 717 00:31:39,140 --> 00:31:40,660 an hour and a half to pack away. But, 718 00:31:40,740 --> 00:31:43,460 you know, the spectacle of it was absolutely worth it. 719 00:31:43,780 --> 00:31:46,100 And it really did tick all 720 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:47,860 those white dwarf boxes. You 721 00:31:47,860 --> 00:31:49,820 know, you just looked at it and just go, wow, this 722 00:31:49,820 --> 00:31:53,560 is actually real. And I think just the idea of 723 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,420 it's the genesis of why to do it sits in the same 724 00:31:57,420 --> 00:31:58,560 place as the Royal Oak. It's 725 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,400 about saying, okay, we're enjoying the collecting, 726 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,740 we're enjoying the painting, enjoying the hobbying. We've 727 00:32:03,740 --> 00:32:05,980 met people, but actually how can we extend meeting 728 00:32:05,980 --> 00:32:09,400 these people and turn it into something more? And, 729 00:32:09,460 --> 00:32:11,500 you know, all three of those guys, I only met 730 00:32:11,500 --> 00:32:13,120 through the Discord server. They're 731 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,120 not people that I'd ever would have met before in 732 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,360 real life. And actually, you know, we are 733 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,520 a niche of a niche of a niche of a niche of a 734 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,080 niche, aren't we? We're a tiny number of us. You 735 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,940 know, I was actually thinking to myself, I was 736 00:32:24,940 --> 00:32:26,600 driving home from work yesterday, I wonder if that 737 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,460 was the biggest game of Warhammer that's been played 738 00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:32,540 in England in 2024. It wouldn't surprise me. You 739 00:32:32,548 --> 00:32:34,180 know, and he's just like, actually, this is pretty 740 00:32:34,180 --> 00:32:36,540 cool, isn't it? You know, I know there's people 741 00:32:36,540 --> 00:32:38,180 getting back into the old world, and that's brilliant. 742 00:32:39,620 --> 00:32:41,540 But to see something, and it 743 00:32:41,540 --> 00:32:43,760 also had those homebrew elements, you know, there 744 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,540 was things from the Warhammer ancients game, 745 00:32:46,780 --> 00:32:47,900 there's things from Warhammer. You 746 00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:51,080 know, it was, there weren't point restrictions, I don't 747 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,880 know, I mean, I say nominally about 8000 points, 748 00:32:53,940 --> 00:32:56,780 but it wasn't balanced. It was a proper Rick Priestley 749 00:32:56,780 --> 00:33:00,580 -esque, Gervis Johnson -esque type scenario of just, this 750 00:33:00,580 --> 00:33:02,400 is the game, this is the story, this is what's 751 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,440 happening. And yeah, absolutely amazing. So 752 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,100 such an experience and so brilliant. And 753 00:33:08,108 --> 00:33:10,420 I can't wait to do the next one. That 754 00:33:10,420 --> 00:33:11,920 sounds amazing. Did you actually get to finish 755 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,060 the game? Well, no, in a sense, because we 756 00:33:16,060 --> 00:33:20,360 had a series of, we did four turns over about nine 757 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,280 hours. So yeah, quite slow going, but 758 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,500 brilliant, brilliant, brilliant. I 759 00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:28,260 mean, we must have had about 40 units each. So 760 00:33:28,260 --> 00:33:31,700 yeah, we didn't. However, the scenario set up that 761 00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:33,960 for each baggage train that got off the board, that 762 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,920 was a victory point for each baggage train that got 763 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,480 raided, that was a victory point to the orcs, and for 764 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,100 any baggage train that was destroyed, that was like a, 765 00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:44,400 you know, net zero, no one gets anything from that. 766 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:45,820 You've denied an opportunity for a 767 00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:47,840 point, but you don't get any points back. And 768 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,340 it came down to the final roll of the dice, which 769 00:33:50,340 --> 00:33:53,000 was absolutely amazing. So we've got no baggage trains 770 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,780 off the board. Two of them have been 771 00:33:54,780 --> 00:33:57,380 destroyed, wiped out. And then we had this final 772 00:33:57,380 --> 00:34:02,080 wagon that was actually like a war wagon, had 773 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,320 eight crossbowmen in it, and seven of them, it was 774 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,780 surrounded by 42 black orcs. They'd 775 00:34:07,780 --> 00:34:10,420 lapped around and lapped around, lapped around 42 of 776 00:34:10,420 --> 00:34:12,699 them on these seven guys. Six 777 00:34:12,699 --> 00:34:15,739 of them got killed. And then the final roll of the 778 00:34:15,739 --> 00:34:18,780 dice was a leadership test on the final guy, and he 779 00:34:18,780 --> 00:34:23,520 rolled one under his leadership and survived. But 780 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,320 had it gone to another turn, it would have been 781 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,300 absolutely desesimated. So yeah, nominally, I think in 782 00:34:28,300 --> 00:34:31,679 a way, it felt like an empire win, but those orcs 783 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:33,460 were on them. And they were absolutely 784 00:34:33,460 --> 00:34:37,260 swarming the board. So yeah, it was they weren't 785 00:34:37,260 --> 00:34:39,520 getting out of that valley alive, if we'd have played 786 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,159 to the end, I'm sure of that. But 787 00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:42,600 yeah, absolutely brilliant. And 788 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,840 again, it didn't really felt like it didn't matter 789 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,760 who won or who lost it. It 790 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,900 was all very narrative. And we were all trying, but at 791 00:34:50,900 --> 00:34:52,739 the same time, we weren't worried by it. And 792 00:34:52,747 --> 00:34:55,820 the best moments, the most memorable were all the 793 00:34:55,820 --> 00:34:58,680 ridiculous dice rolls and the stupid spells and the 794 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,460 bad luck and all the stuff that Warhammer can bring, 795 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,900 not the balance and the tournament and so on. I 796 00:35:04,900 --> 00:35:07,320 know a lot of people are quite dismissive of sixth 797 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,540 edition, because they feel like it was the start of 798 00:35:09,540 --> 00:35:13,200 the formalization of it as being very much a game 799 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,840 rather than a role playing narrative experience. But 800 00:35:17,848 --> 00:35:20,360 I but Jason and I were talking and saying, 801 00:35:20,820 --> 00:35:23,760 actually, if you take the game, if you take the 802 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,820 rules as an efficient set of rules, and then apply 803 00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:30,380 them with a open narrative mindset, you end up with 804 00:35:30,380 --> 00:35:32,280 the best of both worlds really. Whereas 805 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,240 if you'd have used a third edition Warhammer, it 806 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:37,440 probably would have just been untenable, because it's 807 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,840 so complicated. That's right. Yeah, 808 00:35:39,980 --> 00:35:42,380 it's wonderful. Wow, that's great. And 809 00:35:42,380 --> 00:35:44,600 I thought you used fourth edition magic, which is 810 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,560 quite interesting. Yeah, and that was purely because 811 00:35:49,140 --> 00:35:51,860 it's so much more fun than just rolling some dice and 812 00:35:51,860 --> 00:35:53,800 choosing some spells out of a book. The 813 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,900 act of, we were bluffing on things, we had the 814 00:35:56,900 --> 00:36:00,260 dismiss spell thing came up a few times, and we were 815 00:36:00,260 --> 00:36:02,240 pretending to add power cards to it, but not 816 00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:05,940 really and all this kind of stuff. And 817 00:36:05,940 --> 00:36:08,140 people were thinking that we've got more cards than 818 00:36:08,140 --> 00:36:09,900 we've got, and how many spells we're going to cast. 819 00:36:10,020 --> 00:36:11,160 I mean, most of the spells 820 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,080 went horribly wrong and didn't work at all. But 821 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,300 again, it was like, it was the game within the game 822 00:36:15,300 --> 00:36:17,620 thing that everyone likes about the card system, or 823 00:36:17,620 --> 00:36:19,780 not everyone, but I think it's ace. It 824 00:36:19,780 --> 00:36:22,020 feels like you're being a magician for a turn, rather 825 00:36:22,020 --> 00:36:23,700 than just doing another shooting attack or 826 00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:25,940 something. And you're not just buffing the 827 00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:28,340 army as a kind of planned way. I 828 00:36:28,348 --> 00:36:30,860 mean, basically anything can go wrong. And 829 00:36:30,860 --> 00:36:33,600 so all, and I really like that about how you know, 830 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,660 all your strategy in the world and all the tactics 831 00:36:35,660 --> 00:36:37,880 go out window when everything goes wrong. 832 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,460 Actually, that's that makes things 833 00:36:39,460 --> 00:36:42,920 fantastic. And very importantly, and the 834 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,020 magic drafting first card at the pack, crown of 835 00:36:46,020 --> 00:36:47,720 command. Oh, beautiful. So 836 00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:50,680 that year. So, you know, and that felt 837 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,980 like Providence at the very start, you just like, okay, 838 00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:54,240 this is all going to work. So 839 00:36:54,247 --> 00:36:56,680 I don't think we ever called it into question 840 00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,320 because you just sat miles away from everyone. Now 841 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,260 that reminds me, Mark, you did actually draft all the 842 00:37:03,260 --> 00:37:05,860 items, which is a really good topic. I 843 00:37:05,860 --> 00:37:08,860 think that's that really changed everything for me. 844 00:37:09,060 --> 00:37:11,360 Once I once David told me about 845 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,000 that, I don't know whether it was in our first 846 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,440 interview on the crown of command, like episode one. 847 00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:17,780 Yeah, he told me about drafting 848 00:37:17,780 --> 00:37:20,380 and Dave's actually the guy who set up our discord for 849 00:37:20,380 --> 00:37:23,020 us for crown of command. So 850 00:37:23,020 --> 00:37:25,360 things have that community there. It's 851 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,340 been wonderful. But yeah, he told me about 852 00:37:28,340 --> 00:37:29,660 drafting. I thought bloody hell, that's 853 00:37:29,660 --> 00:37:31,480 a good idea. I never thought of that 854 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,220 because otherwise you get that kind of mirror magic 855 00:37:35,220 --> 00:37:37,380 guidance. I've got the black amulet, 856 00:37:37,500 --> 00:37:39,120 you've got the black amulet, he's got the black 857 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,780 Gemina, he's got the black Gemina, I've got the hydro 858 00:37:41,780 --> 00:37:44,120 sword, oh, you've got the hydro sword, you know, it's 859 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,360 always this how many of these things exist. Where 860 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,500 do you get them? Like the local asda? Yeah, 861 00:37:49,540 --> 00:37:52,120 exactly. It's quite important, isn't it, 862 00:37:52,180 --> 00:37:55,200 for the narrative and the story of warhammer to be 863 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,200 able to say, this is this character and he has this 864 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,240 thing, you know, that was that was the thing that 865 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:05,160 felt so exciting when when you first got into that. 866 00:38:05,260 --> 00:38:06,500 I'll be like, oh, wow, this guy 867 00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:08,800 and he can do this. The idea of being able to put 868 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,960 all those cards on anyone and make the sort of make 869 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,900 your own stuff. Yeah, it's cool, but you can 870 00:38:13,900 --> 00:38:15,680 abuse it. And I think the drafting really 871 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,920 rains in it's really good. Yeah, 872 00:38:17,940 --> 00:38:20,340 we love it. It really revolutionized 873 00:38:20,340 --> 00:38:22,680 everything for me for drafting. And 874 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,220 luckily, everybody who's who I played with here in 875 00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:28,560 Japan are all on board with it. So 876 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,680 that's great. I enjoyed as well. Yeah, 877 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:34,240 I think did you play the game last last weekend? Was 878 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:35,720 your big? Yeah, this Saturday just gone. 879 00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:38,220 Yeah. Okay, so we play the 13th, 880 00:38:38,240 --> 00:38:39,800 you played the previous weekend, didn't you play 881 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,660 the previous weekend with one renaissance, which is 882 00:38:42,660 --> 00:38:46,440 basically the fourth edition rules, magic, but then sort 883 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,500 of just slightly modernize and tweak tier in there, 884 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,920 which the guy which we all enjoy playing because it's 885 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,180 fourth edition asking for me to play fourth edition 886 00:38:54,180 --> 00:38:57,960 or fifth edition straight can sometimes be a bit of 887 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,780 a stretch, even though they'll do it. But 888 00:38:59,780 --> 00:39:02,200 I think renaissance kind of just bridges the gaps 889 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,080 between certain things. And it's kind of like a 890 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,320 modernized army books and rulebook and that kind of 891 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,040 thing. So people feel more cool. 892 00:39:10,340 --> 00:39:11,560 Which is great. I 893 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,720 mean, I still I still feel like playing fourth edition 894 00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:15,940 to me. So I don't really see the 895 00:39:15,940 --> 00:39:18,640 difference. But yeah, we did the drafting, 896 00:39:18,820 --> 00:39:21,280 we played Empire vs. Orgen Goblins as well. In 897 00:39:21,288 --> 00:39:24,120 a big game, for me, I prefer smaller games, 898 00:39:24,220 --> 00:39:27,460 personally, like 1500 points is a really nice sweet 899 00:39:27,460 --> 00:39:30,160 spot for me 2000 points, maybe max. But 900 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,480 we played 4000 points aside. But 901 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,020 of course, no items. So we had, you know, the 902 00:39:35,020 --> 00:39:38,660 whole width of the table only six by four, four of 903 00:39:38,660 --> 00:39:40,080 figures. And it was wonderful. It 904 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,380 was really good to see and had good frames here. It 905 00:39:42,388 --> 00:39:45,140 was one of my it was probably the pinnacle, I'd 906 00:39:45,140 --> 00:39:48,560 say, of my gaming career so far that day was so 907 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,080 much excellent with those guys, you know, going for 908 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,600 lunch, going to have a dinner, you know, having a 909 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,240 few drinks, playing until midnight and then crashing. 910 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,920 And then actually finishing the 911 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,060 game, like including it to the end. And 912 00:40:00,067 --> 00:40:03,520 yeah, it was really, really fun, really enjoyed it. But 913 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:08,080 it was kind of, for me, looking at Wellington's 914 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,280 Empire Army, it's like, well, this is just out of 915 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,820 like White Dwarf magazine, the early fourth edition 916 00:40:13,820 --> 00:40:15,960 chronicles of war, you know, the old battle 917 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,820 reports from White Dwarf always had like Empire vs. 918 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,400 Orgen Goblins has been one of my 919 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,300 dream kind of matchups, you know, and we finally did 920 00:40:23,300 --> 00:40:25,920 it. And yeah, yeah, it's almost 921 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,260 like you say like 30 years in the making, you know, 922 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,680 of realizing the hobby, never having the opportunity 923 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,560 of doing anything like that. It 924 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,700 just seemed impossible then, you know, earning all those 925 00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:39,080 miniatures, painting everything, having another 926 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,260 person to, you know, to enjoy that with you. But 927 00:40:41,260 --> 00:40:44,080 now it's all possible because we have been doing 928 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,700 this for 30 odd years, you know. Yeah. 929 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,200 And I think, you know, the thing that is probably the 930 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,940 elephant in the room when you're a kid and you're 931 00:40:52,940 --> 00:40:55,960 looking at White Dwarf is it didn't really sort of, 932 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,780 it didn't really process the fact that these were 933 00:40:57,780 --> 00:41:00,420 professionally painted armies by people whose full time 934 00:41:00,420 --> 00:41:02,960 job it was to paint them they had them in their 935 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,700 studio, they put them on as battle reports to create 936 00:41:05,700 --> 00:41:09,740 content for a magazine. I mean, of course it was 937 00:41:09,740 --> 00:41:11,300 going to look spectacular and it was going to look 938 00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:12,800 amazing. But sometimes I think you look 939 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,420 at your own stuff, I haven't got everything I 940 00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:18,940 need. And that's the worst mistake I 941 00:41:18,940 --> 00:41:22,000 think I made as a kid is thinking that I didn't yet 942 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,860 have the things I needed to have to enjoy myself. 943 00:41:25,380 --> 00:41:28,000 And I think that yes, so 944 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,440 called a counterpoint to that idea of building up 945 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,700 to be able to do something I absolutely agree. It's 946 00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:34,300 amazing to be able to do it. But 947 00:41:34,300 --> 00:41:36,680 also I would actively encourage everyone to say, 948 00:41:37,020 --> 00:41:39,660 but while you're getting there, play with the 949 00:41:39,660 --> 00:41:42,060 smaller armies, play skirmishes, play this, play 950 00:41:42,060 --> 00:41:44,200 that, you know, just kind of make sure that you're 951 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:45,800 kind of building up to that point because actually 952 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,720 that's the motivation to build up to that big 953 00:41:47,720 --> 00:41:49,720 point, isn't it, of having all those little 954 00:41:49,720 --> 00:41:51,860 interactions as you go along. And 955 00:41:51,860 --> 00:41:55,040 yeah, no, I think that I think that the idea of 956 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,340 doing more of this is just so exciting, you know, just 957 00:41:58,340 --> 00:42:02,520 I'm so enthused by what what could be. And 958 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,380 it's all with old stuff and, you know, old rules 959 00:42:06,380 --> 00:42:09,840 and people I've met. And, you know, all of it kind 960 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,720 of feels like it's come back full circle and almost 961 00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:13,960 like completing the piece of the puzzle that was 962 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,700 never there. When I was 13 or 14, that made 963 00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:18,640 me go, I'll do something else. Is 964 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,420 it just wasn't, you know, we started off at secondary 965 00:42:21,420 --> 00:42:25,000 school, everyone was into war have a really popular 966 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,440 and hero quest and all these kind of things. And 967 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,320 then by about, you know, the third year into 968 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,920 secondary school, it was kind of on the wane. And 969 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:37,020 that that that was that critical mass thing. And 970 00:42:37,020 --> 00:42:39,200 I know that we are a small number of people, but 971 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,380 through things like discord and the communities and the 972 00:42:41,380 --> 00:42:43,780 podcasts and so on, we've never been more connected 973 00:42:43,780 --> 00:42:47,060 and we've never been more able to see each other. I 974 00:42:47,060 --> 00:42:49,380 think the only thing that's never going to be a never 975 00:42:49,380 --> 00:42:50,940 going to go away, the problem is physical 976 00:42:50,940 --> 00:42:53,280 distance. But for them for things like 977 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,020 smaller games, you know, I played with Cam on Manawar 978 00:42:56,020 --> 00:42:57,660 and, you know, he's the other side of the planet. 979 00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:58,980 And that was brilliant. It 980 00:42:58,980 --> 00:43:02,120 worked really well. Yeah. So, you know, we can still 981 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,340 get you fixed, can't you with your remote gaming and 982 00:43:04,340 --> 00:43:07,980 where you can. I'd urge anyone to, if they 983 00:43:07,980 --> 00:43:10,120 see a physical event going on, think about attending, 984 00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:13,200 if they see some things or arranging some of themselves 985 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,240 and hosting it. And, you know, the amount that 986 00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:19,060 I've got out of sort of being the person who said, 987 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,360 oh, okay, I'll try and arrange that. And 988 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,160 I'm very much credit to Jason for being the driving 989 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,660 force behind this one. But, you know, whether that's 990 00:43:26,660 --> 00:43:29,840 the Royal Orch or this day, you know, yes, it is 991 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,360 a lot to do. And it's more than more than 992 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:33,920 just sitting back and not doing anything. But 993 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,460 the, the richness and the rewards that you get back, 994 00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,560 you know, pay yourself back in dividends. Absolutely. 995 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,000 So we sort of briefly touched on your history 996 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,180 when you were about 12 years old, you discovered 997 00:43:47,180 --> 00:43:48,900 the hobby. Can you sort of elaborate more 998 00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:51,380 about that? How it actually happened? Yeah, 999 00:43:51,460 --> 00:43:53,400 I was probably a little bit younger than that. So 1000 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,440 it was about 12, I think, when I got Warhammer. I 1001 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,980 was about 10, I think, when I got HeroQuest. So 1002 00:43:59,980 --> 00:44:04,460 HeroQuest for Christmas, the year that probably most 1003 00:44:04,460 --> 00:44:06,760 people got HeroQuest for Christmas type of thing. So 1004 00:44:06,768 --> 00:44:10,840 I was about 19, 19, 1989, something like that. I 1005 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,540 was about nine or 10. I can't remember the exact 1006 00:44:12,540 --> 00:44:13,820 year. And I don't know if I got it 1007 00:44:13,820 --> 00:44:15,760 the first year it came out, but I certainly got 1008 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:20,300 it for Christmas. And it was, yeah, it was on 1009 00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:22,800 Telly, all the adverts and everything like that. So 1010 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,560 up to that point, I'd liked, you know, I've got 1011 00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,120 loads of board games, and that was something that I 1012 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,980 was quite interested in, and, you know, Lego, you 1013 00:44:29,980 --> 00:44:32,160 know, those kind of toys, really. I 1014 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,580 liked stuff that was a bit fancy -ish books and so on. 1015 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,020 But, you know, not really any 1016 00:44:37,020 --> 00:44:39,680 sense of knowing anything about whether that was role 1017 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,380 -playing or certainly not war gaming, no kind of 1018 00:44:42,380 --> 00:44:43,780 concept of that whatsoever. So 1019 00:44:43,780 --> 00:44:46,940 very much that HeroQuest gateway. And 1020 00:44:46,940 --> 00:44:49,040 then you get the little leaflet in there, Games 1021 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,620 Workshop or what's that, and, you know, start seeing 1022 00:44:51,620 --> 00:44:54,940 things. And then the next year, so 1023 00:44:54,940 --> 00:44:56,340 that would, yeah, I think that would have been 1024 00:44:56,340 --> 00:45:00,120 probably the Christmas I was 10 or 11, 10 perhaps. 1025 00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:01,640 And then it was when I went 1026 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:06,480 to secondary school, when I just turned 11, that then 1027 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,760 I started there, and there was just all these new 1028 00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,700 kids who, you know, been to other primary schools 1029 00:45:10,700 --> 00:45:13,660 that you meet, and a lot of them were into it. And 1030 00:45:13,660 --> 00:45:16,260 a lot of the, a lot of them were also playing 1031 00:45:16,260 --> 00:45:19,020 Warhammer, which was the thing that I knew existed, 1032 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,120 because I'd seen the little leaflet in catalog, but I 1033 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,800 didn't really know anything much more about it. I 1034 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,300 just assumed it was something that was really 1035 00:45:26,300 --> 00:45:28,940 complicated and probably, I've got a feeling it even 1036 00:45:28,940 --> 00:45:31,000 had like a sort of suggested age range or 1037 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,960 something like that on the leaflet. That 1038 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,960 seems to be a memory that sticks in my mind. And 1039 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,780 this idea that HeroQuest was kind of, you know, 10 1040 00:45:37,780 --> 00:45:42,020 plus and Warhammer was maybe for 13 or 14 year 1041 00:45:42,020 --> 00:45:44,840 olds or so on. But, yeah, talking to people 1042 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,960 there, that would have been third edition time. My 1043 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,680 friends had the third edition rule books, some of 1044 00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,600 them have got armies, and maybe someone had a really 1045 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,800 nice undead army and a Skaven army and just seeing 1046 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,540 all these kind of things, probably relatively small 1047 00:45:57,540 --> 00:46:01,600 armies, but, you know, people had stuff. There 1048 00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,980 wasn't anywhere in the town I grew up that you could 1049 00:46:03,980 --> 00:46:07,580 buy stuff initially, but then a small shop opened 1050 00:46:07,580 --> 00:46:10,500 up that was selling Citadel miniatures alongside other 1051 00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:14,220 toys and bits and bobs and model kits and so on. And 1052 00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:17,260 we would go into Birmingham on the train and go to 1053 00:46:17,260 --> 00:46:19,280 the games workshop there and buy things. So 1054 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,460 it sort of just gradually by a period of osmosis 1055 00:46:22,460 --> 00:46:24,600 just getting into it. I can't really remember 1056 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,380 exactly when I got first white dwarf because I was 1057 00:46:27,380 --> 00:46:29,340 looking at other people's issues. So 1058 00:46:29,340 --> 00:46:31,200 it all becomes a bit blurry, doesn't as to which 1059 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,380 was the first one I saw versus which was the one I 1060 00:46:33,380 --> 00:46:36,220 bought. It would have been round 1061 00:46:36,220 --> 00:46:39,580 about, I mean, basically it was pretty much at the 1062 00:46:39,580 --> 00:46:42,880 point that the new fourth edition was coming out that 1063 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,220 I started getting seriously interested in it. And 1064 00:46:45,220 --> 00:46:46,900 then realised that if I asked for the fourth 1065 00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:50,340 edition box set in 1992 for Christmas, then that 1066 00:46:50,340 --> 00:46:53,400 would give me the bulk of what I needed to start a 1067 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,300 high old family, which is what I was interested in. 1068 00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,020 So that worked really well. I 1069 00:46:57,028 --> 00:47:00,180 think that box set way of doing things was genius 1070 00:47:00,180 --> 00:47:03,060 really. I'm not surprised that they did 1071 00:47:03,060 --> 00:47:05,240 it because the success they will have had with the 1072 00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:07,960 Milton Bradley games of realising that if you can 1073 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,300 get a box and you can get that box into mainstream 1074 00:47:11,300 --> 00:47:14,900 retailers, then you've kind of put people in. So 1075 00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:18,600 yeah, got that box set, painted up the spearmen and 1076 00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:23,400 the archers. Probably not very well, but okay. I 1077 00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,600 remember selling the goblins to a friend for like 1078 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:30,520 something absolutely ridiculous, like £2 .50 for 1079 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,320 all of them or something like that. Absolutely 1080 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:34,980 insane. On the basis that I just 1081 00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:38,340 thought, well, and that, but at the time I remember 1082 00:47:38,340 --> 00:47:40,340 thinking afterwards, I was stupid, I should have sold 1083 00:47:40,340 --> 00:47:42,480 them for more money. But of course, that meant that 1084 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,440 he would then play with them and he painted them. 1085 00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:45,680 And he bought some more figures 1086 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,180 so then you had an opponent. So 1087 00:47:47,180 --> 00:47:49,480 in some ways, actually, it's a good idea to give 1088 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,460 them away and actually create more of an 1089 00:47:51,460 --> 00:47:54,580 opportunity to play. So yeah, we were playing that. 1090 00:47:54,900 --> 00:47:56,200 I bought Man of War when 1091 00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,560 that came out. Again, didn't really play it very 1092 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,060 much. I bought a couple of the 1093 00:48:02,060 --> 00:48:05,900 dwarf ships. I bought the 40k second 1094 00:48:05,900 --> 00:48:08,960 edition box set. Didn't really play that very much, 1095 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:10,900 bought a couple of Space Wolves and the Space Wolves 1096 00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:12,920 book. And then kind of come 1994, 1097 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,180 all of it had been sat on the shelf probably untouched 1098 00:48:16,180 --> 00:48:19,180 for six months. And it all just went in the 1099 00:48:19,180 --> 00:48:22,220 paper, sold it secondhand for whatever I got for it. 1100 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,640 I think okay money, actually. 1101 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:26,720 But I don't know what spent 1102 00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:28,260 the money on. I think I bought a bike or 1103 00:48:28,260 --> 00:48:30,900 something. But you know, it was, it just 1104 00:48:30,900 --> 00:48:33,640 felt like it kind of came and it went in actually a 1105 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,460 very short amount of time, to be honest. To 1106 00:48:37,460 --> 00:48:39,280 some extent, I regret it. But 1107 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,100 at the same time, I think, well, I did do it. That 1108 00:48:42,100 --> 00:48:43,520 was what I felt at the time. I 1109 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,500 wasn't obviously massively interested. And 1110 00:48:45,500 --> 00:48:49,080 then later in life, there's just this little bit of a 1111 00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,460 moment of recognition of thinking, oh, that's 1112 00:48:52,460 --> 00:48:53,860 actually, that was pretty good. I 1113 00:48:53,860 --> 00:48:56,640 enjoyed that. And thinking back to it and 1114 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,820 thinking about why I enjoyed it and what it 1115 00:48:58,820 --> 00:49:05,400 gave me. And, you know, in a period 1116 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,420 where, you know, I had a personal circumstances, my 1117 00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:11,820 brother died when I was 10. And, 1118 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,160 you know, I think that going into that world and 1119 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,560 sort of immersing myself in that fantasy world was 1120 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,080 something quite valuable to me at the time. And 1121 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,020 then maybe by the time I was about 14, I was 1122 00:49:22,020 --> 00:49:24,940 starting to perhaps recover a little bit from that. 1123 00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:27,500 And then becoming maybe, I 1124 00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:29,020 don't know, just wanting to do things that are 1125 00:49:29,020 --> 00:49:31,280 different. And sort of saw that as being 1126 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,960 a bit of an introspective hobby. And 1127 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,300 then wanting to do something that was more 1128 00:49:34,300 --> 00:49:38,200 outward looking. But yeah, then just as I got 1129 00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:39,920 older, I kind of realized that actually, my true 1130 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,500 passions really are in those kind of spaces, the 1131 00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:44,640 storytelling and the narrative and the creating 1132 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,960 the world and playing the world and exploring it. And 1133 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,100 just the wonder of it all. And, 1134 00:49:50,220 --> 00:49:53,160 and yeah, it's all a bit silly, but of course, it's 1135 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,400 a bit silly. That's, that's okay. And 1136 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,160 I do think that whenever I probably look slightly over 1137 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,840 my shoulder and saw anything GWN or as an 1138 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,980 older teen, or in my early 20s, what I would have 1139 00:50:03,980 --> 00:50:09,420 seen would have been the grim, dark, you know, tough 1140 00:50:09,420 --> 00:50:13,880 exterior, the look that doesn't appeal to me, the 1141 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:15,980 stuff that personally doesn't doesn't say anything 1142 00:50:15,980 --> 00:50:18,460 to me. I want to see bright green, 1143 00:50:19,180 --> 00:50:22,300 you know, grassy fields with brightly painted models 1144 00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:26,540 on, rather than a kind of grim, dark, tough world out 1145 00:50:26,540 --> 00:50:27,980 there. You know, it's and I think 1146 00:50:27,980 --> 00:50:31,360 that speaks to the escapism probably, you know, at that 1147 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,120 time, I enjoyed, I enjoyed the silliness of it, I 1148 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,240 enjoyed the jokes, and I enjoyed the bright colors, 1149 00:50:36,340 --> 00:50:40,340 and I enjoyed the cartooniness of it. And 1150 00:50:40,340 --> 00:50:41,820 yeah, that would have been an age thing, but it 1151 00:50:41,820 --> 00:50:43,480 probably would have been circumstantial as well of 1152 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,580 wanting to find something that was kind of fun and 1153 00:50:46,580 --> 00:50:48,940 happy and light, but at the same time imaginative 1154 00:50:48,940 --> 00:50:53,520 and, and exciting. So yeah, it's, it's sort of 1155 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,820 just, I think just lodged there in my brain and just 1156 00:50:55,820 --> 00:50:58,200 stayed there. And whatever that impetus was 1157 00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,900 in 2018 to, to look or to see something, again, I 1158 00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:04,840 can't remember what that is, but that coming back 1159 00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,420 to it thing, it's so significant, the amount of 1160 00:51:08,420 --> 00:51:10,800 people who return to something, whether they move 1161 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,940 back to where they grew up, or they do something, 1162 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,360 there's a point in your life where there's this 1163 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,400 concept of things becoming wanting to return and 1164 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,400 wanting to take comfort in that nostalgia. And, 1165 00:51:23,460 --> 00:51:27,080 you know, and it's been, it's been brilliant. I've 1166 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,180 loved every minute of getting back into it, and 1167 00:51:29,180 --> 00:51:32,260 it's, it's been great for me, it provides, you know, 1168 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,780 that opportunity to have some, some quiet time and 1169 00:51:35,780 --> 00:51:37,820 get into that flow state when you're doing things, 1170 00:51:37,860 --> 00:51:39,880 but it also gives you the opportunity to dream about 1171 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,120 things, you know, you might be stuck in a traffic jam, 1172 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,460 but you can be thinking about these imaginary worlds 1173 00:51:45,460 --> 00:51:47,320 and what you might do in them. And 1174 00:51:47,328 --> 00:51:49,740 I don't know, there's something the childlike 1175 00:51:49,740 --> 00:51:52,880 wonder has come back and it's, yeah, I'm loving it. 1176 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:54,560 Oh, that's wonderful, man. I'm 1177 00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,100 really glad you found the hobby again. And 1178 00:51:57,100 --> 00:52:00,140 like I said, it's, you know, you may not know, or 1179 00:52:00,140 --> 00:52:02,300 how, remember how you got back into it, but at least 1180 00:52:02,300 --> 00:52:04,040 you got back into it. And you're really, really in a 1181 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,540 good, good space in a good place, you know, 1182 00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,460 reconnecting with people, making it a social 1183 00:52:08,460 --> 00:52:11,920 connection as well, through Discord and then, you know, 1184 00:52:11,940 --> 00:52:14,140 meeting up with your friends and ordered to play 1185 00:52:14,140 --> 00:52:17,020 games and actually playing your fully, you know, maybe 1186 00:52:17,020 --> 00:52:19,800 your first and fully fledged game of Warhammer, 1187 00:52:19,940 --> 00:52:22,100 which is pretty amazing. Yeah, 1188 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,680 it's been brilliant. I mean, I've been playing 1189 00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,460 other games, like smaller skirmish games and things 1190 00:52:26,460 --> 00:52:28,320 like that, which I've really enjoyed. And 1191 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,080 like I say, when I first got back in with the 1192 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,300 burrows and badges, my oldest daughter was really 1193 00:52:32,300 --> 00:52:34,280 keen on it. I mean, she was about 11 at 1194 00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,140 the time and she's 17 now. So 1195 00:52:36,140 --> 00:52:38,200 she's a bit less interested. But 1196 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,080 you know, she's still all human me. And 1197 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,880 actually, do you know what I saw the other day? She's 1198 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,660 doing her A -levels at the moment. So 1199 00:52:43,660 --> 00:52:46,040 she's literally got, you know, a few weeks left and 1200 00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,700 she's done with high school. And 1201 00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:50,560 it's really busy. And she's got in the end of 1202 00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,440 her bed, it's probably up there now, the burrows and 1203 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,620 badges book, and she's got a piece of paper in there. 1204 00:52:54,660 --> 00:52:55,740 And she was writing herself a 1205 00:52:55,740 --> 00:52:58,340 little warband list. And it's like, she's just doing 1206 00:52:58,340 --> 00:52:59,900 that. And it's escapism. She's 1207 00:52:59,900 --> 00:53:02,240 thinking, I like that when I was 11. I 1208 00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:05,040 enjoy doing that, you know, I enjoyed, and she's, she's 1209 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,100 going back to something that brings her comfort and 1210 00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:10,720 brings her enjoyment. That's amazing. I 1211 00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:14,080 would love to see more, more girls or women into 1212 00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:16,060 wargaming. I know they're out there. 1213 00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,040 Yeah. Something that mainly women 1214 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,160 attracted to the painting and the hobby side of 1215 00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,020 things, which I totally get, you know, the artistic 1216 00:53:23,020 --> 00:53:26,860 side of things. But I've heard of burrows and 1217 00:53:26,860 --> 00:53:28,120 badges. I've never played it. I 1218 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,520 saw it that it got, I think it was voted number 1219 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,780 one as the number one wargame or rule set for 1220 00:53:33,780 --> 00:53:37,100 the wargames illustrated or which would. Yeah, 1221 00:53:37,140 --> 00:53:39,080 that's right. It's actually a really good 1222 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,080 little rule set. It works really well. I 1223 00:53:41,087 --> 00:53:43,640 mean, yeah, my oldest daughter, she absolutely 1224 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,100 takes, I think I've never won. I 1225 00:53:45,100 --> 00:53:47,420 think she's beat me about 18 times. She's 1226 00:53:47,420 --> 00:53:51,000 completely ruthless. But then she is also, I mean, 1227 00:53:51,460 --> 00:53:53,300 my younger daughter, she's very artistic. She 1228 00:53:53,300 --> 00:53:54,900 loves to paint. She loves to draw. She, 1229 00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:56,080 you know, I'm trying to get her into miniature 1230 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,240 painting, but she won't do it. But 1231 00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:59,380 the stuff that she can, she can draw, she's 40. 1232 00:53:59,540 --> 00:54:01,500 She's a highly skilled artist. 1233 00:54:01,700 --> 00:54:02,660 She's brilliant. But 1234 00:54:02,660 --> 00:54:04,860 yeah, my oldest daughter, she's much more into video 1235 00:54:04,860 --> 00:54:08,860 games and she's, you know, she knows, she's, you know, 1236 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,360 could play all these games and knows exactly how many 1237 00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,660 hit points and percentages, chances she's got of 1238 00:54:13,660 --> 00:54:16,300 winning on anything. She's, she's a tactician. 1239 00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,360 Absolutely. Whereas I'm not, I'm 1240 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:19,900 useless about, I don't care. I, 1241 00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,040 some of the best games I've ever played, I've 1242 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,140 lost. So, yeah, me too. For 1243 00:54:25,147 --> 00:54:27,400 her to enjoy winning and me to enjoy the spectacle 1244 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,400 of it all. But yeah, no, it's, you're 1245 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,340 right about the diversity and it would be nice to 1246 00:54:32,340 --> 00:54:35,180 see more, more girls and women into the, into the 1247 00:54:35,180 --> 00:54:37,320 hobby. And I think a lot of it comes 1248 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:41,960 from being honest, I do think the gateway of, and 1249 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:44,860 I still think, I think it's, you know, the gateway 1250 00:54:44,860 --> 00:54:49,080 of the, the, the public image of the GW stuff, you 1251 00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,340 know, it's very highly stylized, the 40k stuff, 1252 00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,740 the age of Sigma stuff, you know, if that's your 1253 00:54:53,740 --> 00:54:56,020 aesthetic and you love it, brilliant, it's going to 1254 00:54:56,020 --> 00:54:59,720 totally hook you in, but it's not for everyone. And 1255 00:54:59,727 --> 00:55:02,200 I think actually when, if you expose people to the 1256 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,880 wider world of all that, what's out there, you know, 1257 00:55:04,900 --> 00:55:07,260 some brilliant stuff, one of the schools I work at 1258 00:55:07,260 --> 00:55:09,580 is a girls school and help run a board game club 1259 00:55:09,580 --> 00:55:11,580 there on a Friday lunchtime. I 1260 00:55:11,580 --> 00:55:13,280 was talking to some of the girls at the school there 1261 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,380 and telling them a bit about Frostgrave and that 1262 00:55:15,380 --> 00:55:16,760 really ticked their boxes. That 1263 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,200 sounded really interesting. They 1264 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,720 liked the look of it. They liked the sound of it. You 1265 00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:22,760 know, it sounded like something that they would 1266 00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:26,100 very happily read books set in that world and, and 1267 00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:27,600 want to explore in that world. And, 1268 00:55:28,460 --> 00:55:30,300 you know, there are games out there with an aesthetic 1269 00:55:30,300 --> 00:55:33,300 that probably is less macho, but the GW stuff is 1270 00:55:33,300 --> 00:55:35,940 pretty, it's pretty hard and it's pretty masculine 1271 00:55:35,940 --> 00:55:38,780 in my view. And that will put some people 1272 00:55:38,780 --> 00:55:40,680 off. Yeah. Yeah. No, 1273 00:55:40,740 --> 00:55:41,860 I think I totally agree. Yeah. 1274 00:55:41,940 --> 00:55:44,220 The diversity in your hobby is really important as in 1275 00:55:44,220 --> 00:55:46,720 terms of like different genres, different styles, 1276 00:55:47,240 --> 00:55:49,420 barriers and badges, badges is its own very unique 1277 00:55:49,420 --> 00:55:52,220 thing. Yep. Great to see it's so 1278 00:55:52,220 --> 00:55:53,980 successful. I've seen other ones where 1279 00:55:53,980 --> 00:55:57,580 there's sort of like these rat little mouse or mice 1280 00:55:57,580 --> 00:55:59,640 or rat people. I can't remember what it's 1281 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:01,920 called now, but I can see, yeah, there's different 1282 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,920 games that have really appealed to certain types 1283 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,980 of people, especially girls when they see all those 1284 00:56:06,980 --> 00:56:08,980 little cutesy type things. What 1285 00:56:08,980 --> 00:56:11,180 was the other one I played that I've got? It's 1286 00:56:11,180 --> 00:56:13,200 like, it's like golden axe, but it's like all these 1287 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,760 chibi type characters in there. Okay, 1288 00:56:15,820 --> 00:56:17,260 right. That's cool. From 1289 00:56:17,260 --> 00:56:19,440 Seamon that was years and years and years ago. But 1290 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,140 yeah, those those licenses, those kind of IPs are 1291 00:56:22,140 --> 00:56:24,620 really popular with everybody because it's it 1292 00:56:24,620 --> 00:56:28,180 all tracked everybody, you know, yeah, absolutely. The 1293 00:56:28,180 --> 00:56:30,640 the geek guys, the geek girls and that kind of 1294 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,460 thing. And yeah, it's really fun. But 1295 00:56:32,460 --> 00:56:34,040 any outmark, I know you're pressed for time mate for 1296 00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,160 today. I know you've got some work 1297 00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,640 pressing work to get on with, but I really want to 1298 00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,040 set my appreciation to yourself for taking the 1299 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:41,460 time to come talk to us. And 1300 00:56:41,460 --> 00:56:45,760 and yeah, giving us some really great insights in in 1301 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,140 your, you know, your journey into into the hobby 1302 00:56:48,140 --> 00:56:51,320 and, you know, your current state in the hobby. And 1303 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,420 mate, we'll definitely get you back on to talk about 1304 00:56:53,420 --> 00:56:56,500 some different topics in the future, I'm sure. Yeah, 1305 00:56:56,540 --> 00:56:58,560 be fantastic. And I just want to say to 1306 00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,680 anyone listening, if you want to see pictures of 1307 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,440 the games day that we did the big 8000 point orcs 1308 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,420 and goblin stuff, if you go on the bedroom 1309 00:57:06,180 --> 00:57:07,760 battlefields discord, if you join that, I mean, 1310 00:57:07,820 --> 00:57:09,700 everyone's very welcome to join that as well. So 1311 00:57:09,700 --> 00:57:12,080 if you're a listener and maybe a discord member on 1312 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,040 the crown of command one hop on over to the bedroom 1313 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,220 battlefields one as well, because, you know, there's 1314 00:57:16,220 --> 00:57:18,560 a lot of crossover, but but they're the same 1315 00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,480 community. So, you know, that I think 1316 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,460 you'll get value from being a member of both, I 1317 00:57:22,460 --> 00:57:24,400 certainly do. And there's pictures and stuff 1318 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,520 over there. But also, I've just sent 1319 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,300 Matthew a battle report that all four of us have 1320 00:57:29,300 --> 00:57:31,920 written up who played very much in the sort of style 1321 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,900 of a white draw battle report. And 1322 00:57:33,900 --> 00:57:35,700 that's Matthew's going to host that on his bedroom 1323 00:57:35,700 --> 00:57:40,040 battlefields .com site. And if I get some time at 1324 00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,760 some point one evening, I might design it up because 1325 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:49,520 to look in a kind of white dwarf esk style and 1326 00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,440 make that available as PDF to people as well, if 1327 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,480 they're interested in seeing it in there. And 1328 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,580 they kind of look and feel a bit of the hero hammer 1329 00:57:55,580 --> 00:57:58,560 magazine style look to it. Right. 1330 00:57:58,680 --> 00:57:59,840 Okay, that sounds really good. And 1331 00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,240 please go and check out the bedroom battle bedroom 1332 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,240 or battlefields podcast that Matthew hosts. It's 1333 00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,880 a really, really entertaining podcast. So 1334 00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,420 I'll leave links for that below in the show notes 1335 00:58:10,420 --> 00:58:15,940 along with the discord link as well. So 1336 00:58:15,940 --> 00:58:18,020 look again, Mark, thank you again for today. I'm 1337 00:58:18,020 --> 00:58:20,240 sure we'll have you back because, you know, you've 1338 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,740 got a wealth of ideas. You're 1339 00:58:21,740 --> 00:58:23,380 very passionate about the hobby. And 1340 00:58:23,380 --> 00:58:25,440 I'm sure there's something else we can we can tap 1341 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,260 into and talk about in the future, mate. Wonderful. 1342 00:58:28,460 --> 00:58:29,460 Thanks for having me on Josh. And 1343 00:58:29,460 --> 00:58:31,380 thank you for your contribution and your 1344 00:58:31,380 --> 00:58:32,820 podcast. No problem. My 1345 00:58:32,820 --> 00:58:34,600 pleasure. Okay, mate, until next time, take 1346 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:36,360 care and we'll talk to you again soon.