Welcome back to another episode of The Chronicle and podcast as
we go forward without interviews.
We have a special one here. We yogin from Sweden.
You might remember you're going from our I'll be book reviews
and that kind of thing now on the playlist called podcast.
But I thought I'd just take your gun away for a little bit.
Just have a sit down and chat with him and just talk about his
origin stories. How you got into the Hobby in a
little bit about his torment history.
He played a lot of Tom has extensively in Sweden, there and
even after fit addition with other other various editions
later. So yeah, we're really good time
to sit down and chat to some bit of hobby together, and so, hope
you hope you guys enjoy this interview.
Okay. We'll catch you on the other
side. Okay, so welcome back.
Everybody to the chronicle. Now podcast this time I'm joined
with jörgen, hey, you're going to Hawaii of it.
Hey, I'm fine. Thank you.
That's good. I'm really glad that you.
You could take the time to come and talk to me this evening,
because as many people would know their heard your voice
before when you did some collaborations with Joe and
Caspar. The only books in that kind of
thing, but yeah, I really wanted to get you on this personally
just so that we can learn a bit more about you and your history
and how you got in the Hobby and that kind of thing.
So I'm going to let you go, you're going, we're going to do
some hobby time guys. Like we're just going to do that
with some painting and that kind of thing in the background.
But yeah, you can you just you just talk about how you got into
the hobby made and what got you into fancy battles?
And that kind of thing? Yeah, sure.
I really got into foul. Fantasy back in the early 90s
because of my father, he introduced me to Fantasy by the
Lord of the Rings. Yeah he and I were reading them
together when he was trying to make my English better and after
a while, we had just moved to a new town and I got Brands and
one of those Once had a big brother and they had just bought
the fourth edition starter back in 93 and the one with elves and
higher High Elves. And the goblins and well I was
really fascinated when I saw it on his shelf.
So I asked him about what it was and he told me it was a War game
and you were fighting with Elson goblins and I was like wow
that's like Lord of the Rings. He he didn't ask me if I wanted
to try it out and I couldn't say no.
So, I was given the goblins and he had High Elves and let's just
say that I probably lost already in the second turn or something
like that, but I was hooked. So I asked him if there were
other races and stuff like that and he showed me some kind of
add our biggest. I think it was Or six pages as
an ad. And in there I saw the picture
of the 4th edition box subset for chaos and I was like, wow,
that is really cool. What is that?
And he told me about chaos and that picture alone had me hooked
So I asked my father to take me to the town the next day and I
bought some baseman and some carrots Warriors.
The monopoles ones from early fourth edition and some paints.
And then I went home and started painting.
I wasn't really new to painting because me and my father had
been That building models like a cars and stuff.
So this was just something that took two interest into one so
that's where it started. Noise by that's awesome.
And and so so called have your father, introduce you into
fantasy and Lord of the Rings and that kind of thing.
I think my father would be really happy if I just got out
of the whole thing altogether, I think he said to me that if I
spent as much time working on models and painting and in my
hobby, as I did with my school work, I would be in a genius by
now. So so it's nice to hear that
apparent. Like some other people.
I know that got them into the Be, it's really, really nice to
hear. So he probably need didn't think
I would get death caught up in that.
Yeah. But little did he know that?
Yeah, you, you know, all these years later, you be still
talking about it and still reminiscing about all those
times of encountering that first, you know, the cows box
set, and falling love with chaos and like, kind of stuff in
collecting an army. Yeah, we actually got to listen
to see your Army on the Chronic event podcast Community page.
And yeah, I was really, really quite struck at how beautifully
painted it was made. So like I said, you're a bit of
an avid painter and toddler before you even got into the
hobby, is that right? Yeah, I had tried it out a bit.
I'm, I wouldn't say Avid but we had built some models and I had
painted like, cars and Military stuff and such things.
Cool. Okay, I got into the same way.
I got invited to Mia model kits and that kind of thing when I
was, you know, 14 15 and then ya got into the through the
Miniatures, through here. Request, did he request ever
come into your hobby hobby house at all with you and your father
at all at some point. And well, nothing to my own
house, but of course, there were friends that had it.
So, Made it a couple of times, but I never really got here,
request myself and many years later.
I kind of regretted it little bit.
I wanted a board game and forth that Warhammer Quest was selling
for a bit too much. So I actually got into dungeon
Saga from antique and have a play quite It a bit with some
friends little bit like role playing.
So I'm the GM and there the adventures.
Yeah, yeah. I think that I think I've never
played that the dungeons like but I know it's like an evolved
version of he request. Basically it's like a distant
modern version of it. Very, very similar.
Yeah. Okay, that's cool.
So was so the cows Army was at the first Army.
You have you ever really sort of got into apart from the Goblins
that you played and dabbled with in the starter set.
So it was chaos like the first first love for you.
Yeah, definitely. When I got that box I mean it
was a huge box compared to the other Army books and I didn't
really know why first but it has Lots of cards and stuff but I
was flipping through the pages and I just loved everything.
I read about it and I am I really have been a fan of the
way. They had chaos back in the 90s
and even earlier, when I read that later on the 80s, the realm
of chaos books, The Big Red One from I think 87 and a green one
from 91. And yeah, I've I've collected
many armies over the years, but chaos has always been in my main
Army and the one I fall back to and always build upon and as for
the Army I showed on the podcast community and Facebook pages it
was actually A very small army compared to what I have but it's
an army built out. I love Nice by.
Did you but you'd actually painted army back in the 90s?
No, no, no, that are me. I put up and was a project.
I started in 2016. I just had my first kid and like
everybody else, I thought it was going to be like having a long
vacation to be home with the kid.
I was so wrong but the idea was to build the Army and painted.
While the kid was, it didn't go all too well and yeah, as you
see I'm I wasn't done until a couple of weeks ago.
Cool. I got this is I just didn't I
didn't read that part. Sorry, I just thought I just
thought. Wow, if your guys playing this
like when he was like in the 90s this would have been voted best.
Paid that Army for sure. Like every single toilet you
ever went to It getting on some type of thing because that's
what you're sort of really brought on for with Joe and
Caspar was that your Tom experience is quite extensive,
would you like to sort of go into your tournament experience
and how you got into playing tournaments there?
Yeah, sure it was like this. That back in the late 90s we had
a couple of local stores which were Going to promote themselves
by having tournaments. And it was I think around 97 or
98 and well I just wanted to play with other people.
Try it out and I got into my first tournament.
I got trashed by lizard-men. The first game I got a loss
against Hiles. My second game, I got a loss.
My third game versus demons of chaos, which had just been
released in the realm of chaos book.
So you could pure demon Army. And then in my final game, I
actually met the highest player who had built his army, pretty
much on what models he had just like me and we had a great time
and in the end, I won my first game.
I had been trashed, despite having a great winning record
amongst my own gaming group, barely ever lost with the chaos
or me, I played. But when I got to that
tournament, I got trashed, but it motivated me.
And I learned a lot, especially against the lizard-men player
whom told me about the flail of skulls and Jade amulet and not
bringing Save 100-point items and stuff like that and it black
jammed, my chaos lord, well he had all the nasty things in his
sleep and well I learned a lot and I don't know why but
whenever I get into something I really get into it.
So I decided that I would play more tournaments.
I would start winning games. and I think I played around 25
tournaments per year in that time and the best result was
probably 99, just before six Division and I joined the
Swedish natural Nationals and there came a top eight placement
Yeah, cuz Sweden has like a reputation for hosting massive
Wonder events, isn't it? Like, from what I, what I hear
anyway, from from the time of 6 Edition and that kind of thing.
It was like a, it was like the, you know, the place to be at
when you wanted to run all attendees National tournaments
for hammer. Yeah, the tournaments were big.
I think most term would drawing around 60, 70 people when it was
the Nationals. And even the small local ones we
had like 24 to 30 players was a huge game, especially during 6th
edition as you mention the. But even later on 7th and 8th,
there were the Swedish company over.
Right. Last night.
Cool. Well, I'm glad you got your
first win and then that sort of that sort, of course, you know,
we continue this tournament scene and and it's good.
I think Tony was have do have its place.
I mean, some people maybe don't particularly like tournaments
because of the nature of the torment but I met a lot of great
people and I made a lot of good friends.
Through tournaments two people, I would have never met any other
like normally I don't think and just by chance just met up with
them and Out and stayed friends with them for a very long time
and game with them exclusively for a long time too.
So yeah, it's one of us do bring that.
Yeah. Sense of like, you know a lot of
people coming together, you get a lot of experience playing
different armies and seeing what they're sort of, you know,
they're Loadout is for what they're taking.
So, yeah, it does bring a lot of value to your game, doesn't it
paint ornaments a lot? Yeah, not only do become a
better player. You, as you mention, you get a
lot of friends. I had a lot of new friends back
in the late 90s and early 2000s that I would never have played
with. If it wasn't for the
tournaments, we met through tournaments and we just
continued playing afterwards and hook up and trying out different
lists and sometimes just playing narrative games.
Nowadays, nowadays, I don't attend many tournaments.
I was One last year, and that's what's in a tradition.
Otherwise, I just want to meet people and play with them and
have fun. I don't care as much about
winning or losing nowadays, but I won't fold if you know what I
mean. I know, it's me.
Yeah, I'll do all that man. I'll do the folding on those
occasions. Yeah, unless I've got pretty.
Lucky though, you like the last we talked about playing Joe and
Caspar? Yeah, so that opens my eyes and
playing other people to from different countries.
It's sort of it's broadened my perspective on, you know, how
they how they run armies. And what they, what their
philosophy is on taking armies and units of that kind of thing.
It's quite interesting now that we're sort of started the
podcast, it's sort of broadening our scope and range of people
from different matters and that kind of thing and what they
value and what they - and, you know, take it, or leave it kind
of thing and it's quite interesting.
So, yeah, getting getting a lot of that playing experience,
which I must admit. I didn't really have during the
day because it was it always busy painting my armies.
So we didn't really end you know based on where I am in the
world. It wasn't such a big huge Gaming
Community anyway, so But yeah, it's it's always good to play
different people. And Yeah you sort of always come
away with something new or some way to look at something
differently every time you play. So let's talk about chaos.
What would be your your preferred fifth edition kind of
build these days? What would you take?
Well, I am I really like everything about chaos but I
prefer The Mortals, it's something about this.
Unseen horror, you know they're looking very bad ass and you
don't know what's under that helmet.
Unknown horror as they talked about in that why Friday the
13th got so big as well with Jason and his hockey mask.
Don't really know what's under there.
I like that. And I think some of the Great's
models Games Workshop has ever released, are the chaos Mortals,
various versions of Celtic warriors and Chaos nights.
So, if I'm when I'm playing nowadays, I always try to
include chaos Warriors, and Chaos nights, even even if they
might not be the best option versus that.
Opponent. And I've been I don't care as
much about getting the best Bill, but rather care more about
having the best looking models, which, which brings me to one
problem the harpies. Yes, there's some ugly bitches
but they are. I mean, stat-wise.
In the entire game. And that's one exception I've
made. I don't like taking them, but I
know that if I'm having a small Elite army with Warriors and
nights, I need to stop at least one war machine from mauling
them. So, the big question is, did you
guy would just go with the happy with the big boobs or to go to
the Harvest of the clause? Which one I go with the claw
ones because that's the That's the ones I was raised with no, I
wanted to but I've been looking at those I've even been looking
at the sum of The Foundry harpies because they're quite
decent at Alternatives. Oh yeah, cool.
Okay, I haven't seen those actually.
I need to go and check them out. Yeah, they look a lot like the
80s harpies. Cool.
Okay. That's good to know, right?
Thanks a lot. Yeah, I'm the same.
I'm in the same boat like, you know, the harpies like, you
know, they look awful either way.
I don't, yeah, I haven't really seen like good examples apart
from everyone, I think. One of one of the guys on the
Community page or on the hero have a page posted up some unit
of harpies looks quite decent but they're the ones who are
sort of either half naked bodies.
And yeah I quite like the old aesthetic tissue chaos to the
old aesthetic. I really like more.
Like the Third Edition. Look to the models, had more
character Yeah to them as well. Yeah.
Now we talked about maybe I think before as well because we
do that cash review and and I played, I played a game recently
with Casper using the fourth edition box set that you talked
about before it was your first little love into chaos.
Yeah. Is it you or is it still your
preferred rule set for or your army book for building your
cows? Armies with addition or fourth
edition or is it the fifth edition?
Well Actually do a mix. That's the good thing about
having old rules. That's you can ask your
opponent's if some things are, okay.
So we like the war band style of the fifth edition book better.
It's a bit harder to abuse. But having said that we did
allow, if you take a license, you can take demon allies and
basement allies for Example in a mortal Army without needing to
have a warlord for those as well.
So that means I can bring 25% demons and or 25% basement or
something like that. So it's it's a mix.
It's mainly with the fifth edition rules but with some
fourth edition added in and I prefer the fifth edition chaos
rewards because I think the fourth edition are actually too
good. Autumn about that might because
of the last game I played was the first kind of like cause I
thought that I'll get the doc boxset here.
Now the first going to play I had I don't think I've ever I
drew about four or five cars or six cards or whatever.
Then I got one car that says lose all your cards and Gifts
immediately. And the other one was to turn
one of my guys into a cow spawn. So, Yeah, I didn't I didn't have
the best best of luck in the first first game using chaos
after all these years. But yeah, I do love the fourth
edition said because of the chaos gifts, I love that, I
love. Just love that mechanic in the
game that gives you sort of. It's almost like free magic
magic items basically. Yeah.
It's good. It's very good and it's a it's
cool. But what I don't to get really
is. Why does he just have
regeneration for one Turtle? Why does he only have Horns for
one turn. I mean I get white just one turn
because it's would be even more powerful otherwise.
But it kinds of strange for me. But it's the same with the fifth
edition. You have a mutations there as
well but you roll one mutation for the entire unit, then why
would all of them have the same mutation?
Yeah, that's fair enough. Yeah, that's it's a nice little
mechanic that through in there. I really like cards, I like
cards and games. Basically, now fourth edition
does have the gifts as well. What's the main difference
between the two? Well, the rewards are or the
gifts are different, of course, because in fourth Division, I
think you draw to each turn, right?
Yeah. Yeah.
In 50 relation, there's a Deck with 12 gifts and you roll to D6
at the start of the game. When you draw that many cards,
and some have cards are played immediately, like Asians are
played at the start of the game and others are used in the game.
And it says, when lat, Takes his first leadership test or play
this when an opponent plays, a spell or something like that.
A little less powerful, but also a little less fun.
I can admit to that. Yeah, I think that's why I
prefer the fourth edition. I'd like the fourth edition cast
because it has all those nice options that you have.
You can take a whole mix of beasties and the cows was, and
trolls and minotaurs and centaurs and you know, whole
wide range of different things and it's quite a bit.
Kind of like a mix of basically, what Third Edition cows was
like, I think is basically very thin to that.
And, you know, I'm a big fan of Chaos in Epic, the Space Marine
game as well and it's basically modeled exactly the same as
that. It's got, its got the count
gifts, if it's got the gift system as well.
So you got a little cars that you can give to and Hannity
booster units, and that kind of thing.
Plus, it's got a whole Motley Crew of all different kinds of
units that you can. Take overs, and that kind of
stuff. Yeah.
So I've always been I've always had a soft spot for the fourth
edition more than the fifth edition.
But I know that fifth edition is probably most preferred you know
calset to have now I suppose. So let's move on to modeling
like what what sort of hobby projects are you up to now at
the moment? well, about a year ago, I was in
a Challenge a painting. A painting challenge where I
started my first Elf Army. Yeah, I did a Wood Elf Army made
for if 50 decision and I got to around 1200 points when
everybody else quit so well. So I'm trying to finish this
Army up to 2,000 points, just like my chaos Army.
I had done. After that, I'm in the crown of
command podcast painting challenge to do a small dwarf
Army using the fantasy Warriors towards by Nick.
Leland, it's free plastic monopoles versions one with
crossbow. One with great weapon and one
with spear and you can still get them from Um, em4 Miniatures,
very cheaply and the idea with this Army is to paint it.
For my son who is very much into my figures at the moment, okay.
So I was aiming to if I do this I will give him give it to him
as a birthday present when he turns five is excellent.
So these these plastic the plastic multi-part kits of it.
No monopulse. Just like the ones back in
fourth edition when Warhammer had their regiments.
Okay. Right.
I haven't actually heard of this, I'll look forward to
seeing pictures of these when you actually get them style.
Start painting them or whatever because yeah, the kind of
command painting competition is very, very close to starting
now, isn't it? Yeah, I think it's one week away
or something like that. Yeah.
So that's a, that's excellent. I'm glad you're a part of that
site. I wasn't sure.
I was, I didn't actually know that you were actually
participating in it so and I know I did you can do dwarves.
That's awesome. Yeah.
And the only downside is, of course, it's only free poses.
So the entire Army will probably be slightly boring to watch just
the same models over and over again.
When I'm showing my progress, but I think it's great for a
five-year-old because they won't break and he can play with them
in any way he wants to. So I don't worry about them and
they're so cheap. I mean you can get 50 models I
think for $10 that's awesome. Yeah it's very good price.
So I had these lying around for ages because I actually got the
game fantasy Warriors back in 95.
When my father he bought it to me because he fought it was
warm. And yeah, back then I was a very
disappointed. It wasn't one, but well, they've
been laying there in a box, and I have been painting the Orcs,
which are in it and now I figured that.
Well, my son is interested in an army and dwarves are a good race
to start with if he actually gets into gay me because, well,
that's easy to play. Yeah, exactly.
Memphis. Right, that's good.
That's awesome. I'm really looking forward to
that. That's Brian.
I don't know if I want to give I gave my son some Miniatures, but
they're all from the Super Dungeon explore there.
Like an undead kind of box set. I bought many years ago.
It's full of like skeletons and witches, and giant spiders and
stuff like that. So yeah, I don't think he, I
don't, he likes to me, I'll give him some other Miniatures to,
from the ice, The Song of Ice and Fire as well, but he broke
Some of the weapons and stuff often already.
So I'll need to glue them back on, so, but yeah.
My son takes a quite an avid interest in my Miniatures, and
he likes rolling the dice and that kind of stuff.
So, yeah, it's nice. It's nice that we're sort of
passing on our love of the Hobby and Miniatures and that kind of
thing to our our sons and that kind of thing or daughters or,
you know, whichever it might be. So that's right, man.
Nice one. So do you, do you still actively
play the hero Hammer gangs in your community?
Yeah, I actually do it was kind of funny because I had one
opponent from back in the day and we continue playing when
edge of Sigma was released. We both quit for a while, tried
out Kings of War but then we thought, nah, we had the most
fun back in the 90s, you know, Nostalgia about it.
But Yeah, we decided to play fifth edition again.
So we played a couple of games and I started a Blog and put out
some names there and some of the Miniatures are painted in all of
a sudden a person contact contacted me through the blog
and told me he was in the city next city like which likes?
I don't know. Maybe Free year pin miles away
and he asked me if I wanted to play with him and I was like,
yeah, sure why not? And so we got a couple of games
together and then we try playing some games versus some Danes who
were arranging an old or event? And then maybe six months months
ago, I got contacted by another person via this log and he asked
me if he could join us and I was like yeah, sure.
And he had a broader as well. So those as well, I have only
played a few times but I'm actually going to play them this
Sunday. Freeway battle using 50 Vision
rules but trying to combine it with the 8th Edition, Triumph
and treachery set. So yeah, I'm still playing not
as much as I used to, but about Eight to ten games per year,
okay? That's still pretty good that
Mike. That's all right.
Yeah. Yeah, being a father to.
I'm quite happy actually get that time.
Exactly. Yeah, since I started doing this
remote gaming, I haven't played like this is the most amount of
games I've ever played in my life.
Like, you know, I would never get this kind of opportunity to
play so many games are so many people.
So it's been a bit of a blessing, really.
So we'll have to get you one, you can.
So you can teach me the ropes and he slammed me down in a in a
game at some point if it's addition like Casper did Casper
destroyed me last game so I'm sure you do.
Yeah, I like you too but I didn't see the ending.
It gets cut off or something. Fine, I didn't have it on time.
I had had it set up with the charge and everything but I
didn't turned on as one of those silly mistake it cut off right
at the end that basically Casper just Destroyed me.
And I think everything was, but pretty much running off the
table by the end, except for my general, and he killed my
wizard. So yeah, it was pretty much game
over big time. So yeah, it was a good
experience of playing it person who's being like a real seasoned
veteran like yourself, that knows the ins and outs of
everything, especially through. I, I saw the list here.
I would never use on the elf wizard in a dwarf or me, but
it's good that he did because he wasn't, he was totally opposed
to doing the drafting at first and I said, come on yeah come
on. Yeah, Joe's.
Done it for so many times and everybody's doing it now so you
know just do it once and it gets so he did it.
So I thought okay you want to take the allies and I thought,
okay, that's okay, no problem. So given that given that given
that Grace there to take the Allies, it's fine.
And you play the chaos ball entirely wrong as well.
I know you pointed out on YouTube channel night, so that's
good, cause I couldn't find a buddy rules for it.
I was looking for the rules for it in the book and I couldn't
find anything about it, but, you know, being me, unprepared
unprepared so, that's nothing unusual.
I should have read the rulebook ins and out like, you know,
totally I knew that was going to cover but some point having
chaos born. At some point that you were
saying, it's basically the profile of the like a regular
human. Is it or the profile the model
into spawn. So if you took a basement,
right? Yeah, so then you would take the
basement and you roll a D6 and apply that money.
You draw that many gifts and applied to it and it actually
has those like for the rest of the game.
That's quite good. And yeah.
And it moves Ted to D6 so that thing you did right?
But you can't actually engage it in hand-to-hand combat.
Really? Yeah.
It's very specific about it just like yeah, goes through units
like the same A fanatic would do or something like that.
Okay, so it hits a unit. It does d 6, D, 6 string, five
hits. Is that right?
Like a fanatic nice? It does the same amount of
attacks as the model house. So probably drawn some extra
text from the gift, right? And that you hit with the spawn,
like a normal and it just moves through the unit so they can't
actually hit back. Core engage.
Wow. So they can actually physically
charge it because we just go. We can't eat the front of you
Casper. Used the fifth edition rules
instead. Yeah, so yeah that's why I don't
think he knew what the fourth edition will rules were either
and he just needed a fifth edition one so that's fine.
Yeah, that's good. Okay, we got, we got through it
in the end and now I know. So thanks very much for your
input. I really do appreciate Three
back night because the I should have read the book in more
detail, but it was quite a quite of a weird night because we've
got all the times mixed up. So what I thought was going to
be playing like 5 hours earlier or three hours earlier, it
wasn't the case. So here's a bit of a mix-up in
times and that kind of stuff. So But it became done and
castles happy. And yeah, so that was the main
thing. But, you know, I'm still, I'm
still intend on playing fourth edition chaos, for now with that
we're now I've got Jesse's Army here and because I don't, she
have a causal Army, but I just enjoy having books to read
through like yourself, just look through the books with Nostalgia
reasons and that kind of thing. Yeah, it's got a lot of really
great artwork. And if you like, you know,
Adrian Smith and really old hammer style artwork in there,
which I really love. And yeah, so I can just really
appreciate the artwork and that kind of stuff.
Okay so moving on. Okay, so you've got you've got
to be with Community there, you've got you see you mentioned
something about a Blog that you have?
Can you tell us a bit more about the blog?
Well, it's not a huge blog with many followers.
I have like 50 regular readers. It's not much but I try to I
started it back in the day when I was just about to start the
chaos Army I showed and I was reading a lot of old Hammer
blogs and taking inspiration from that and fought.
Yeah, I can do one. And yeah, it takes a bit of
time, but I have been able to update it about once per month
for about four years now. Oh, cool.
I'm really Keen to be become a follower, so let us know what
the address is, right. And I'll put it in the show
notes and I want to check it out.
Yeah, I'm curious because kind of hard to pronounce it in
English. I see.
Okay, right. Okay, it's it.
I have a in an old username from when I was starting on forums
and stuff back in the early 2000's, when forums were the big
thing, and it's really a game short, for my name along with A
rhyme which would then mean handsome.
So it's it's sneak fish but it would probably.
It would mean like handsome, Jurgen does, the wife is a wife
agree with this username. Yes.
Okay. Okay, that sounds good.
Okay. Well I'll drop it in the show
notes make for the podcast so people can go and check it out.
Just to see your nice nicely painted Miniatures in your
progress. On your chaos, only.
So that'll be cool. Yeah.
Now other any other games of the 90s that took you interest
during that time or was it only just fantasy?
No no I played for the K second edition as well.
Yeah, I had a chaos Army there as well.
Of course, I love the cows. I love the cows in second
edition, man. Was brilliant.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Obviously we taking like with my
taking all these beasts, because I'd like a fantasy only then.
So, I like all these awesome metal beastmen and metal cows,
Warriors, and minotaurs, and trolls.
You can do everything. And second division was
brilliant. I love it.
Yeah, it was great. I sold it off when first edition
was released actually but yeah I also played a bit of blood bowl
back then. Yeah.
Chaos team and actually the start him I think it was like
yeah plastic human team which I just added on Olga and the star
player too. And we played a lot of old
because yeah, it's much faster and then a game of Warhammer.
So it took interest out of a lot of friends who like the
Miniatures and stuff like that, but weren't really into playing
games of two free hours. Yeah.
So we hardship Global Community back in the late 90s as well.
Yeah, that's that's again we really want to get back into as
well because I really have good memories of blood Bowl.
It's a great little game, quite little board game that you can
still enjoy the Warhammer wackiness of the 90s.
Yeah, definitely. Because it just emphasizes that
immensely. I think in blood Bowl, it's got
every single crazy Rule and every crazy, you know, element
in those, those death zone cards at that kind of stuff.
I just love it. Yeah, such a great little game.
Yeah. Indeed I intend to teach my son
at one day. Yeah me too.
That's cool. Excellent.
I'm glad you're getting. You're getting your boy involved
in it. That's nice.
Yeah, yeah, I don't want to push it on to him, but when he says
showing interest by himself then I am gladly, what would you say
in English encouraging? Promote it.
Yeah. Is the wife again with two main
or is she not into the hobby? She's not into a miniature
gaming, but we play other games, she played a bit of Magic.
The Gathering with me fight, extensive for a while, as well.
You see, as I said, when I get into something, I get into it a
bit too deep. Yeah, I had to power 9 and
everything and we're playing tournaments and And yeah, I did
well as to I was the reigning. A local Champion for two years
in a row in vintage, the type one with where it could have the
Black Lotus and everything. But then I started studying.
So I sold off a lot of it, but we still have a couple of decks
left, which we play with every now and then.
Okay? And yeah, we play other games as
well. Well, such as old style.
Munchkin stuff like that. Munchkin.
Yeah. No, it's okay.
Well, that's good, least. You got some bit of, you know,
family hobby time and gaming time.
That's good. Yeah, my wife into this, this
really really simple card game, but it's so good.
It's it's based on the dungeon and Dragons license.
But it's just like a fun card pack where you got like, four
different characters and that basically, it's just like a PVP,
PVP type game where you kill the other other character using
cars. This is a card base game, it's
really fun and it's your duty of is really really quick and it's
easy and fun to play that. I've got a lot of my students at
school playing it and my wife even enjoys playing it so it's
good to just have something. You know, it doesn't relate to
Miniatures but something that you know you can involve your
other your better half into planning something as well.
So that, you know, you know, you've got something that can
entertain them or get them involved in some something
somehow, Yeah. What's the game called?
A very good question. I think it's just escaped me
that. I think it's called I don't know
what it's called actually now that's terrible.
I've been planning it for so long.
It's just terrible dungeon. Dungeon Mayhem, I think it's
called dungeon Mayhem. Yeah, I've got going into the
atmosphere to it from in here in Japan and I was so.
So, you know, so impressed by thought I've got to grab this
game and I think the kids will love it at school and, and sure
enough they did. So we played every week now and
my wife's even really hooked on it now.
So, yeah, it's a really fun game.
It's really cheap to buy and you'll have, it's really quick
to place. Oh yeah, I recommend that for
your, your wife and your kids. Later on it because even even
young kids getting can get into it.
You can play it. And it's, yeah, it's good value.
Yeah, that sounds great. New computer games at all that
you're into. And that's nowadays.
I don't play time. I used a lot back in the day.
I mean, I played the Warhammer, all the word, different
versions. I mean, shadow of the Hornet
rat. Oh man, Mark of chaos and their
RPG as well, Warhammer online and 40K ones as well.
But Both the Warhammer Total War, which I think is a great
game, but it takes up a lot of time.
So I haven't really played through all the races, but they
stay true to the Old Law, which I like, yeah, I've never played
that game. I would love to just have like
an old rig setup. So I could play the old, like
Shadow the whole rat and dark. I win again.
Nothing be quite happy to do that because it's part of the
nostalgic kick and he got sort of the old Hammer here.
A Handler Vibes coming through those games that I can see.
Yeah I can see why the the the total war hammers really
popular. Now with many people.
Cool. Okay man.
Now, I don't have time. I'd like yourself, I just don't
have time. I think the last game I got was
Banner Saga. The trilogy, my PS4.
And I think the first day I got it, I started playing with my
son grabbed the the case. And he wanted to take the art
book as likable art book in it as well.
And there's a disc in it and he wanted to grab it and I said,
no, I don't grab it. And and he started crying and I
thought, okay, well forget about I don't think I can play this
game. For now, just until they get a
bit older and we can play it together, we can sit down and do
it together. But it's sometimes we don't see
what I think. I downloaded the Lord of the
Rings Lego game and my son was excited to try that with me.
So we try to play that together so I think eventually we'll get
to it. I think just one is a little bit
older he's almost four years old now.
So yeah, I think another couple of years, he'll be able to play
georgiy, be able to teach me how to play games basically.
Lie on the PS4 and it doesn't worry me because I've got so
many hot pot so much hobby stuff to do that.
I don't really have time to play games anymore.
So but yeah, no it's good. It's another, another extension,
to our sort of hobby time, basically playing games that
kind of thing in the PS4 or whatever.
Cool. Okay, so I think what we'll have
to do is get you on. If you, if you're willing to
give me a game, a remote game at some point we'll hammer and if
that's a possibility, what what, what faction would you like to
play? Oh, I need.
I would actually like, to try something new.
You see, I played a lot of armies, but there's certain
armies, which I just never got into, or didn't play a play
because maybe one of the friends were playing it and stuff like
that. So I would like to try
something. I wouldn't be Used to and just
to see how they play and stuff. Well, what I'm is.
Haven't you played before? Well, as I told you, I just
started my first Elf Army last year so I haven't played.
I haven't really played with any of those.
Not even my videos, I've tried them once and I have never
played with high heels and I have never played with dark
elves. I just weren't two elves.
I were more of the yeah. Then I wanted the bad guys.
I played I played on Played chaos.
I played the I even had a small case War for me, but with the
Third Edition models, because I wasn't a big fan of the big hat
era. So and I have played Empire.
I've played Brito. Nia I feel I have never played
lizard-men actually, I have tried a couple of games but I
just thought they were so cheesy and easy mode to play, so I have
actually never yeah. Yeah.
But that I think that depends on the bill of course, but if you
do skiing spam, it feels like it's an oath to win, almost.
Yeah, I know. I know, I know.
Things and trying to beat them. Every time I play my local rival
here, John Joe, with his Lisbon Army, those skinks just you
know, there's the bane of my existence.
I don't know what to do with and I think maybe next time I'll
just I'll bring a can of deodorant with a lighter and
just burn them because they're all plastic.
I think I might just set them alight with some kind of many
flamethrower. And that'll be the end of those.
Yeah. Yeah, about this.
Fire. Good way to deal with skinks.
Exactly ways in the game. I mean, I flame Cannon.
For example, with dwarfs fire-breathing with chaos, those
are actually very good to do with the Skins.
I'm just worried that he's gonna, he's gonna bring my
garlic up to Dallas and get a lucky shot on my pilot and
that's the end of it because you got, you could, it's got so many
bows. Damn, bear on, you know what I
mean? Like, and yeah, they're real
real troublesome. The end and strength for some
reason that poison really strong.
There's a dog again. I remember the hair dog last
time. There's always got something to
say. He does like the Skins as well.
So I'm glad your dog doesn't like this game sets, good as
he's putting his two cents in nice one.
Now, I'm a man, I would be up for, like, trying in some Elf
Army, okay? But don't you have any elves,
painted, or I don't actually have any elves assemble as such
they have you played all can goblins before?
Yeah, but not not much, I was introduced by my, I played quite
a while with the Orcs and goblins in the beginning because
I didn't have my own Army painted yet.
I have always said, I only want to paint with play with painted
models. So I played the auction goblins
for a while, but that's a long time ago, I mean that must be
Goblins and I will take the dwarves, okay?
As a my to make yeah we say I don't have I don't have the
greatest at the moment, but we're going to fix that.
I think, I think Joe was going to set up his own gaming rig at
home with the cameras and all that kind of stuff.
He's got all the armies and or just about all of them anyway.
And I think he's going to basically take the like a shared
responsibility of doing games live streams at home that he can
invite guests like yourself and other people to play various
different armies and that kind of thing.
So yeah I'm very limited to what I can feel but I think they'll
be nice. If you can bring, you know, Army
do you play when you first started playing war hammer and
I'll play the army that. I first really fell in love with
in Warhammer playing with the dwarves will definitely have to
do something like that. I think organ and In the future,
man. Yeah, baby.
Yeah, I'd love to do that. Yeah.
What you got? Moses Aeneas, craziest bunch of
loons you'll ever find in the old world, with the or goblins,
that's for sure. Nothing.
Yeah. Nothing will be guaranteed to
work as you want it to, so that's nice.
But yeah, that'd be good. That'd be cool.
I enjoyed auction goblins. I just never got around to paint
an army of itself. That's quite a long dedicated
processor itself in calluses. Quite it's quite a comfortable
sized Army to paint, I think. But it or goblins can be What?
In excessive like 150 models or something like that?
Maybe in certain cases? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I can understand why that would be quite off-putting.
For some people, I'm still not finished painting line or Goblin
Army, so I could I could easily paint another few more units for
it. But yeah, any kind of scenario
that you really favored like is it just pitched battles that you
really favored the most? Or is it any kind of scenario
that you like? No.
No, no. I don't like each other and
that's actually because not much tournaments, were pitched
battle. So I played so many pitched
battle than tired of that. Whenever we play, we always roll
for scenario. I don't mind anything, but I
just don't want to play normal pitched battle.
Every time I would rather have a small Mission or some, some
other Wing condition than just the kill death and kill dirt and
take the table Corp. Yeah, I totally agree with you.
I like know I was going to say, I totally agree with you mate.
I'm sort of a bit over the whole pitch battle thing.
Now, I really want to get into playing some nice theme
scenarios, like the campaign sets did and all the other
scenarios in the game in the battle book.
So we'll definitely do one like that.
Or we get one of the guys in the communities that make up a
scenario for us to play. I think that'll be quite fun to.
Yeah, yeah. Alright.
Okay, you're gonna I think we might wrap it up tonight, mate.
So thank you very much for being a guest here on the commit crime
blog and podcast in a pleasure talking to you finally.
Thanks for having me. I just hope that we can get a
game organized for us to play soon and in the next month or so
late. But until then, I hope you and
your family stay safe out there and Yeah, you maybe you can.
Well, I've Li you and your you and Joe and Caspar on the, the
flail of skulls podcast can review more army books for us
within the future for us, man. Yeah, I know, I'm going to be on
the lizard, man, at least. Yeah, Joe wanted me back despite
I haven't played with the lizard man, but he's like, yeah.
But you face them a lot, haven't you?
And I, yeah, I faced them a lot. So he wanted me on that one, at
least, well, you've got one of your biggest fans right in
casca. He loves he loves you, but he, I
think he thinks you bit of an idol in the Warhammer community,
He agrees, he agrees to everything you say so he must be
doing something right man. Yeah, I've noticed it's like
this and when I told him why I liked it and as yeah I like it
too now but yeah I have played a lot back in the not as much.
I have been granted a nice memory and I remember stuff well
so that's good because of you Going to terrible memory.
That's why I'm doing these YouTube streams because that
way, I can never forget my battles.
So it's going to be nice to people back on over the years.
As long as YouTube still alive, that's how I can.
I can look back at the people I've played and, and the games
are played over the years. Would be nice.
Yeah, build a nice collection stuff.
And looking at your profile picture on the thumb.
Screw on my here, you're not quite a handsome devil mate.
So I'll give you that. You're the, you're the handsome
yorgen. Okay.
Okay, my friend take care. Okay.
And we'll catch you in the next one night.
Yeah, you could. I will definitely get you back
on soon. Yeah, take him.
Okay, bye. You too.
Bye. Okay, well, thank you very much.
We appreciate your concern, time to take it out of his busy
schedule and now he's got a young family there as well, like
myself and like many others. So yeah, it's nice to sit down
and give it a hobby and bit of a bit of a chat one-on-one because
I hadn't had the opportunity before.
So thank you to him again and I hope you found it interesting
and something just bit more relaxing in the background as
you do some hobby time as well. Now, there are many, many more
interviews planned. Next, we're going into the world
of Epic Space Marine. So we've got a lot of people
from the middle Homer. Epic community that I want to
bring on in the future talkin about my newfound Obsession
which is epic Space Marine that might bore you to tears.
I don't know perhaps. Yeah, what's going to the
podcast? Going to change and different
types of topics and themes and that kind of thing of different
game system. So hope you enjoy.
Those coming up in the future example, if we have a few gifts
that we want to bring one and talk to about that and you know
we might bring on some beautiful who specialized in a second
edition, Man. O War and other systems of that
era too. So not only one fantasy but
other systems to so you find those enjoyable.
Okay guys, will take care out there and we'll see you in the
next one. Okay, bye-bye.