1 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,280 OK, so Ian, thanks very much again mate for coming into the 2 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,160 Crown of Command and and I really appreciate your time 3 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,520 today. Unfortunately we had me and Ian 4 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,320 had a great, great conversation before, but then I realized, Oh 5 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:19,760 my God, I haven't clicked record. 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,240 It doesn't happen very often, but in today's conversation, we 7 00:00:24,240 --> 00:00:28,640 got halfway through, you know, you know, just talking about 8 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,560 various different sculptors and Kev Adams came up and then I 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,440 realized down looking at the bottom that it wasn't recording. 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:38,080 So there you go. But Ian, thanks again for the 11 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,920 second time mate, to chat about this. 12 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,040 No, mate, no, my pleasure. And thanks for your patronage 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,680 too, mate, and the models you currently sent to me, which I 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:51,920 showed the guys on Patreon of the orcs that you, you, you 15 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,240 designed. And it was interesting to know 16 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,600 that you've only been doing this for a couple of years now. 17 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,840 So that's, that's testament to your, the skills you, you learnt 18 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:04,519 and, and all that. But yeah, we, we'll, we'll jump 19 00:01:04,519 --> 00:01:08,000 into just a bit, a bit about your brief history and how you 20 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,440 actually found or discovered tabletop wargaming. 21 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,280 So do you want to just elaborate on that for a little bit, mate? 22 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:20,320 Yeah, so I was a little kid. I grew up in the UK and I 23 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:26,000 started with a little book of paper war games called Knights 24 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,840 at War. So if you're, if you're someone 25 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:31,120 who likes paper tabletop games, you should check that out. 26 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:32,640 It's old, but it is still around. 27 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,560 I don't think it's in print anymore, but you get it on 28 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,400 Amazon or eBay or something. And it's worth, it's worth a 29 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,600 look if you're into like medieval Knights and stuff. 30 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:47,400 And then when I was about 9 or 10, I moved to Canada and I fell 31 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,400 in with a group of guys who actually played Warhammer. 32 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:52,520 They collected Warhammer. We were like 10, so we weren't 33 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,000 really playing it yet. They had an older brother who 34 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,440 played and we kind of idolized him. 35 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,800 And we would sit around and I would just watch them paint. 36 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:05,440 And I was immediately hooked. Convinced my dad to take me to 37 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,560 the Games Workshop store in Vancouver back then, which was a 38 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,640 a really old big store, nothing like the modern Games Workshop 39 00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:15,680 stores. It was in a place in Vancouver 40 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,880 called Gastown, which is almost like a touristy shopping 41 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,280 district. I don't know if it's even around 42 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:22,680 anymore, I've been there in such a long time. 43 00:02:22,920 --> 00:02:24,880 The Game furniture store is definitely not around anymore, 44 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,160 but they had a great store. They had obviously the big 45 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,240 tables for like Warhammer and 40K, but they had all the little 46 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,680 games too. You could play Talisman, you 47 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,480 could play Blood Bowl, you could play Man O War all set up on 48 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,280 tables so you could get jump right in. 49 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:43,320 They had a great staff of guys and played, played. 50 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,920 The first time I went there, the thing that jumped out off the 51 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:52,760 wall to me was a blister pack of dwarf giant slayers. 52 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,360 Now in the Uki believe they come in packs of four. 53 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:58,480 In Canada they come packs of two. 54 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,200 So it's even more expensive here. 55 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,560 And I mean, I held up this blister pack. 56 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,600 I was like, this is what I want. And my dad took it from me and 57 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,200 looked at the price and it would have been something like $8 58 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:11,760 Canadian for these two little guys. 59 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,200 And he just laughed, put it back on the shelf. 60 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:15,840 He's just like never going to happen. 61 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,600 And we left. And then I just wore my mom down 62 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,080 and eventually was able to convince them to to get me some 63 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,840 a little box of high elves. The little box of 10 was 5 64 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:33,280 Archers, 5 Spearman. Those were a little hard for me 65 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,080 to paint as a kid. So I moved into more of like the 66 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,520 grimy armies like scaping and stuff, but that was my first 67 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,640 actual set of models was that little box of 10 aisles. 68 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,240 I think I got the starter paint set. 69 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:49,880 And from there I was off to the races. 70 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,640 Oh. Nice mate, that's wonderful. 71 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,360 I just just looking at that Knights of War book, I just 72 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:00,160 found it on online here and it looks to be still available. 73 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,720 You can sort of buy it. I don't know whether it's like a 74 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,200 second printing or various other printings or if they're second 75 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,440 hand or not, but you can buy these books. 76 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,840 They look really nice. I like the I like the cover in 77 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:17,600 these Knights with the all their chivalry and all the, you know, 78 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:19,360 all the coat of arms and stuff like that. 79 00:04:19,959 --> 00:04:22,079 So it looks like an interesting little thing. 80 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:25,280 I've never seen them before and I wish I'd I'd picked up 81 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:26,680 something like this when I was a kid. 82 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,240 I I reckon I'll be really into that. 83 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,720 So they look great. Yeah, if you have kids, it's 84 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,880 definitely worth the look 'cause it's, they're very good. 85 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,000 They're simple. There's four of them and they're 86 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,760 simple to get into, but they're, you know, tactically pretty 87 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,400 complex and they're all different, which is cool. 88 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,360 They're kind of all set in a different era. 89 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,400 So there's this Border Raiders 1 where you, they're, the two 90 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,280 Knights are like the Lords and they have like levees. 91 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,800 One guy is invading the other guy's territory, trying to steal 92 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:55,920 his sheep and his cows and stuff. 93 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:56,960 The other guy's trying to stop him. 94 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,200 Then there's a Crusades 1 where one guy's Richard, one guy's 95 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,480 Saladin, and you're trying to get your baggage training across 96 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:05,160 the desert before you can get raided. 97 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,480 One of them is a siege. And then the last one is like a 98 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,160 late medieval tournament. It's a jousting game. 99 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,560 So you actually have your horses go across the table each other, 100 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,520 and you have to pick a move, and your opponent has to pick a move 101 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,800 secretly. Then you flip them over. 102 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,520 And if you've done a sweep and he's gone at the head, like 103 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,440 there's interactions of how those all work and you get 104 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,240 unhorsed and the actual little guys actually come off their 105 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,840 horses, it's pretty cool. And then at the end you have a 106 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:36,960 Malay where everyone is off their horses and they're all 107 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,120 fighting to the death. It's, it's, you know, it's if 108 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,720 you have like a young kid, 8 or 10 or something, it's definitely 109 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,280 a great intro to, you know, the hobby. 110 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:49,160 Yeah, it'd be fantastic. It sort of reminds me of looking 111 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:53,160 at this one here with the medieval sort of setting. 112 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:58,840 It reminds me of that Cry Havoc game that was also like a sort 113 00:05:58,840 --> 00:06:03,680 of hex encounter kind of game with little small cardboard 114 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,680 chips and you would move those on the table top. 115 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,320 So I suppose it's, you know, the equivalent of whatever's out 116 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:09,800 there. Now. 117 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:14,040 I'm not really all that well versed or knowledged 118 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,800 knowledgeable about all that kind of stuff these days, but it 119 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,600 seems to be like an old sort of strategy board game tradition 120 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,640 that's sort of carried on for all these years now, which is 121 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:25,960 nice to see. But that's good. 122 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,080 That was a nice little entryway mate, into the hobby. 123 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:32,000 And you sort of talked and alluded to before that you got 124 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,160 into Battle Masters as well. Yeah, that was a big one. 125 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,280 There was another store in Canada called Games People and 126 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:42,400 they sold like Dungeons and Dragons books, like Cyberpunk 127 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:43,440 books and all that kind of stuff. 128 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,760 But they also sold sold board games. 129 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,560 And I just completely by luck, I was already into Warhammer. 130 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:53,520 I just saw this game, Battle Masters, and I picked up, 131 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,200 flipped it over and I'm like, Oh my God, it's all Warhammer 132 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,120 stuff. So I had to have that. 133 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,280 And 'cause we were about 10 or 11 at this point, we could 134 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:03,480 really get our our heads around Battle Masters away. 135 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,080 We couldn't really Warhammer yet. 136 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:07,360 So yeah, we played a lot of Battle Masters. 137 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,360 They had this great mechanic. You've played it right. 138 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,080 Yes, I have. You had it, But yeah, so I knew 139 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:14,240 you had it. I wasn't sure if you ever played 140 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:15,280 it. They had this great mechanic 141 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,000 with the cannon, if you remember, where you place all 142 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:23,280 those little hex pieces and then flip them over and then you find 143 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,440 out if it's a bounce or if it's hit the ground, like that's 144 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,080 great. That's very Warhammer. 145 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:30,880 Yes, very much so, yeah. It had the, had the cannon 146 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:37,280 mechanic and had the, the, the giant or the big ogre that also 147 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,720 had like a, a card mechanic where it would move and it, it 148 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,440 attack and, you know, if you could pull off a lot of attacks 149 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,800 when you're next to something, it could do lots of damage. 150 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,200 So when I, when I revealed this to my son and, and showed him 151 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,240 both the cannon and the ogre, he was like, you know, because 152 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,600 first he wanted to play the, the empire with the cannon, then he 153 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,120 saw the ogre. So I know I want to play, I want 154 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,960 to play chaos with yoga. You know, it's really funny. 155 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,760 So yeah, it's nice. It's a, it's a wonderful, like I 156 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,560 say, it's a wonderful entry for people who have never seen 157 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,000 anything like this because you've got that three 158 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,160 dimensionality of all the miniatures, you've got the cards 159 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,720 and everything was very colorful. 160 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:20,880 And I'm going to introduce some Japanese, a Japanese family that 161 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:26,120 are friends of ours and my, his son goes to my son's school and 162 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,640 I showed him the rule book because it's all in Japanese and 163 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,120 he seemed pretty interested. So next time we get together, 164 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,440 we're going to lay it out on the floor and have a game of it. 165 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,200 So I'm really looking forward to that and with, with both our 166 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,720 sons as well. So it'd be really, really fun. 167 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,680 Yeah, still a classic. So, so going on from that, you 168 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,040 you've discovered Warhammer. What were what were sort of your 169 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:50,480 main go to armies? What? 170 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,120 What kind of armies really drew into the into the Warhammer 171 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,720 universe mate? Well my friend had the 4th 172 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,920 edition starter set that he already played Orcs and golpins, 173 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:04,760 so I defaulted to High Elves. I'd already had a box of them, 174 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,240 but I to be honest, as a 10 year old, I found them a little 175 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,680 difficult to paint. So I always gravitated more 176 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:12,680 towards like Chaos and Scaven and stuff, stuff with more of 177 00:09:12,680 --> 00:09:16,320 like a muddy sort of paint scheme where you can sort of 178 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,280 slap the paints on, throw some washes on, throw some dry 179 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,040 brushing and you know, have a decent effect. 180 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,520 My friend was a Charlie. He, he was a really good painter 181 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,600 for a kid. So he would always have like 182 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,360 nice bright colorful miniatures and mine would just be like 183 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:35,360 metal and brown and covered in brown ink. 184 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,800 Yeah, wonderful, mate. OK, look, we'll just go quick. 185 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,160 We'll just have a quick break, quick segue into a break here 186 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,400 and we'll come back in just a moment to talk more about your 187 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,440 Warhammer history and about Celtic miniatures. 188 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:57,040 So we'll be back shortly. But mate, yeah, so you, you 189 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,920 discovered Warhammer, you you sort of dabbled with various 190 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:04,040 different armies like High Elves and Scavenir and Brutonians. 191 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,320 Were you much of A painter mate, or did you really enjoy that 192 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,360 aspect of the hobby? I'd say when I got back into the 193 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,160 hobby, so I was really into Warhammer from when I was about 194 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:22,400 10 to when I was about 14, and I was out of it because my friend 195 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,360 group, we just lost interest kind of thing. 196 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:26,400 I mean, I didn't really lose interest, but I pretended I did 197 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,880 because everyone else had. And then after high school, I 198 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:33,640 remember sneakily sneaking off to the Games Workshop and buying 199 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,440 some stuff. And that was when I got more 200 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:40,040 into, like painting as opposed to playing the games. 201 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,000 And I think what helped a lot really was the Internet 'cause 202 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,280 you got to see so many good tutorials from really good 203 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,560 painters, more detailed tutorials than you would see in 204 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:52,480 like a White Dwarf, as good as those were. 205 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,120 And I used to love the tutorials in like the Army books. 206 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,760 But when you're on the Internet, it's just 'cause it's that open 207 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,880 space, they can put so much more detail and you can really learn 208 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,320 more interesting techniques and stuff. 209 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,000 And that's a good point about, yeah, the Internet, when that 210 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,600 sort of started and painting tutorials became more of a a 211 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,360 very accessible thing, it sort of just exploded. 212 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:18,040 And you see, you just saw so many more people getting exposed 213 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:22,640 to miniature painting And, and now, you know, we can see the 214 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,680 evidence of that. Like every man and his dog is 215 00:11:24,680 --> 00:11:26,520 painting miniatures now, which is great. 216 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,840 It's really good to see. And a lot of it, it opened up a 217 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:34,680 lot of opportunities for for women to get involved with a 218 00:11:34,680 --> 00:11:36,840 hobby somehow. And there's a lot more women 219 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,440 involved with not only just painting, but also tabletop 220 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,000 gaming, which is nice to see, you know? 221 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,320 Yeah, mate. So that's great. 222 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,200 So, yeah, I think we sort of remarked before earlier about 223 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,520 Necromunda. Necromunda was a big influence 224 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,520 on you, I suppose, in your early younger gaming days. 225 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:03,320 Yeah, that was, I think 97, and it was just perfect for kids 226 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,520 because you only needed the starter set. 227 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,200 My friend did a starter set. I had a starter set. 228 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,160 Put all that terrain together, you've got more models than you 229 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,920 even need at that point with two starter sets, and you just play 230 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,680 forever. We even made a Necromander 231 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:20,880 role-playing game, and we would sneak home at lunch at school 232 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,360 and play like a quick game of that, then run back to school. 233 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,280 We were obsessed. And Necromander. 234 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:30,040 Necromander really captured that era, like in pop culture 'cause 235 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,680 it was like, you know, like Prodigy was around that band and 236 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:36,800 like the guy from Prodigy kind of like he was from Necromunda, 237 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,960 you know what I mean? And like, just like pumping, 238 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,200 pumping Prodigy and playing Necromunda. 239 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:42,720 And it really just felt like this. 240 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,720 It like, it really felt like it captured that, that moment in 241 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,480 like in like culture. Yes, it was. 242 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,080 Yeah, I remember, I remember that that song being played, the 243 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,640 Firestarter song when I was working in Oxford Street Mall at 244 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,440 the Plaza there at Gangs Workshop. 245 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,360 And we had, we had it turned up to like the Max volume in the 246 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,000 store because the manager was out and we were sort of just up 247 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,560 on the tables and, you know, dancing and raving or whatever. 248 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,120 And I think Necromunda was released around that time too. 249 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,520 So yeah, maybe it was like an influence on us that we weren't 250 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,320 aware of. But yeah, the Prodigy certainly 251 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,240 brought out the Necromunda in you, that's for sure. 252 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:26,280 There was that. There was that one model in 40K. 253 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,520 He was like a a preacher or something and he had the 254 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,240 haircut. Yep, that's right. 255 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,080 Yep. He looked exactly like him and 256 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,760 looked exactly like him. Yeah, I remember that. 257 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,920 Yeah. He's carrying a sword and one of 258 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:40,800 like a Bible or something under his arm. 259 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,160 So yes, yes, very much so. Very much so in the likeness of 260 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:46,960 that. So yeah, I think, yeah, pop 261 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,680 culture certainly took an influence heavily on gangs, 262 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:52,720 workshops, intellectual properties, that's for sure over 263 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:58,600 the years. So if you can meet one of the 264 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,840 gangs workshop luminaries, like one of the heroes from back of 265 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:07,360 the day, who would it be? From a sculpting standpoint, Kev 266 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:14,360 Adams, From a fan standpoint, probably Andy Chambers. 267 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,880 Just because I used to be a big white dwarf guy. 268 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,120 I got a subscription to that in like 5th grade. 269 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:25,040 I had a subscription for like 3 years and he was in the they 270 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,040 have the pictures of all the guys at the front and he was the 271 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,680 guy we all liked because he just looked crazy and he just wanted 272 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,640 to play Warhammer with that guy. Nice. 273 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,200 I like. Well, I like those answers. 274 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,880 That's great. Can you remember what issue was 275 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,720 your very first issue of White Dwarf? 276 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,000 You had mentioned when we were talking on Instagram that you 277 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,160 might ask this question, so I actually went and looked and I 278 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,560 know exactly which one it was. Have it right here. 279 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:57,240 I want to get the number wrong. It was 179 which was the 280 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,880 imperator Titan on the front. I wanna say that was the launch 281 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,400 of Titan legions. Was that what it? 282 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,680 Was called. Came with the Imperator, the two 283 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,480 gargens and a bunch of night Titans and I think a bunch of 284 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,120 little orc like buggies and stuff. 285 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,400 That was so it was 179. I remember that one. 286 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,040 I don't remember 180 because I looked at that one too. 287 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,920 So I think my subscription started with 181 because that 288 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,760 was a January. I got the subscription for 289 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,360 Christmas and I remember from 181. 290 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,120 I remember about the next 36 in a row. 291 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,000 I was obsessed. Right. 292 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,080 OK, so I'll have to check that. I think maybe we covered that 293 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:40,120 issue already, but I'll have to check in on my My White Dwarf 294 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:44,240 YouTube channel playlist and see if we've already covered it. 295 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:48,400 But I've always enjoyed doing that with people who've been on 296 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,840 the podcast or just people out in the community covering their 297 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,120 first White dwarf because it holds a lot of great memories 298 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,320 when they go back and flip through the pages, like either a 299 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:59,640 digital copy or physical copy of their first White dwarf. 300 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,800 And I get the same feeling when I look through issue 147, which 301 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,360 was my first one, and seeing all those cool looking elder 302 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,720 drawings on the front and paintings and miniatures and 303 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,280 epic and empire and everything, you know, it was awesome. 304 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:15,840 So that's great mate. That's awesome. 305 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:23,880 So then at some point, like during your hobby career, you 306 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:29,440 must have decided that you wanted to make your impression 307 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,840 and legacy in the hobby by starting your own little company 308 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,200 called Celtic Miniatures. So can you just tell us how 309 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,920 exactly that happened? Well, I had a very boring job 310 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,000 doing deliveries and I would Daydream. 311 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,880 I daydreamed about releasing my own line of miniatures. 312 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,760 And so I got in contact with a sculptor and I think you had a 313 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,320 story similar to this. And when I heard the price tag, 314 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,240 I was like, that dream's dead, that'll never happen. 315 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:03,280 And then years later I got my first resin printer because I 316 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,240 had seen this guy, Monstrous Encounters. 317 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,359 He does some really good old hammer looking stuff and some 318 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,560 really good like Hero Quest style miniatures. 319 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,680 And I wanted to print some of his stuff. 320 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,760 So I bought the files, they're called STL files for people who 321 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:23,760 don't, who aren't into printing. And I went and sourced someone 322 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,359 to print them for me. And the price of that was going 323 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,280 to be astronomical too. So I was like, I'll just get my 324 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,600 own printer. So I just got my own printer. 325 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,280 These resin printers, I don't know if you have one, they set 326 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,360 up in 5 minutes and you're off to the races. 327 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:41,160 They're really easy to use. I had an Annie Cubic photon 328 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,480 mono. I want to say it was a 2K It's 329 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:44,720 old. It was a few years back at this 330 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,560 point and they start printing his stuff, printing Duncan 331 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,960 Shadow stuff. Duncan Shadow is a really good, 332 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:56,800 my opinion, the best sculptor out there for the 3D stuff. 333 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,080 Not necessarily because these miniatures are the most 334 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:04,160 complicated or the most technical, but he gets the 335 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,400 limitations of resin, which is really, really important if 336 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,240 you're going to get into sculpting For 3D printing resin, 337 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,560 you can't have little skinny swords. 338 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,480 They're going to break. They might not even print 339 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,160 properly. You can't have little tiny 340 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,120 details. The supports are going to RIP 341 00:18:18,120 --> 00:18:20,800 them off. You have to know the limitations 342 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,400 of the actual material. You have to make them chunky. 343 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,640 You got to make them durable. Plus you're going to drop these 344 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,880 guys and resin if it's, you know they're going to shatter. 345 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,120 So you got to make it nice and chunky and durable. 346 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,240 Drunken Shadow is really good for that. 347 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,760 His stuff is really, really solid. 348 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,320 You have to fill all the gaps. You'll see a lot of people who 349 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,520 produce really good renders of their miniatures, but then when 350 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,360 you print them, they're too delicate or they'll even have 351 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:48,520 big hollow sections inside of them because they don't 352 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:51,000 understand the, I mean, I'm not sure condescending. 353 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,560 A lot of them are much more talented sculptors than I am, 354 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,720 but they don't understand the limitations of you can't have a 355 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,640 big hollow Cape 'cause that's gonna, it's not gonna print 356 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,400 properly, it's gonna break. You have to fill that space in. 357 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:08,200 So it's a lot like sculpting old metal miniatures where you had 358 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,720 to keep in mind the actual mold. And so that's why a lot of old 359 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,080 metal miniatures, the shield arm will be attached to the body. 360 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,480 They don't want that negative space in there, You know what I 361 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,560 mean? So, you know, Duncan Shadow's 362 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,480 one of those guys that I think is really, really good. 363 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,920 So I started printing all these guys stuff. 364 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,720 And once you start printing stuff, you're like, well, I want 365 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,400 to switch this guy's weapon or switch this guy's head. 366 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,040 And then you so you start watching YouTube tutorials like 367 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,240 I did and you learn how to cut miniatures and how to put them 368 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:43,080 back together, how to manipulate the meshes, which is the mesh of 369 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,880 polygons on the surface of the shape in the computer. 370 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,480 And once you've swapped a few guys arms, swapped a few guys 371 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,360 heads, you realize I'm almost sculpting at this point. 372 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:59,800 So I'll try making my own parts. And I approach the actual 373 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:04,320 sculpting differently from a lot of the tutorials I watched where 374 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,080 guys will start with an actual wire mesh and start manipulating 375 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:08,560 the mesh to get the shapes they want. 376 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,680 What I do, which is a bit more like old school sculpting, is I 377 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,400 use a very, very simple program called 3D Builder, which is 378 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,640 free. It comes with Windows and I'll 379 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:22,800 start with simple shapes. Like a sphere and a cylinder for 380 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,040 a, for a head, you know what I mean? 381 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,840 And I'll cut them and I'll get them close to approximating the 382 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,120 shape I want. Then I'll throw them in my 383 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:31,960 sculpting program, which I use as Blender. 384 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,840 And then I can turn that into a lump of clay that's roughly the 385 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:37,640 shape I want. And then I can actually start 386 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,160 sculpting. And Blender has all the tools a 387 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,640 traditional sculptor would have. So you can smooth, you can cut, 388 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,960 you can crease, you can build up clay and they can smooth it in 389 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,280 and you can add chunks. And I'll switch back and forth 390 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,760 between Blender and 3D Builder, take them all those in and out, 391 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,680 the two programs so I can manipulate them two different 392 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,880 ways. And I just, and I just try to 393 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:04,080 build up from simple shapes to something approximating, you 394 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,080 know, the work of the really good sculptors from the olden 395 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,160 days. I've only been sculpting for two 396 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,000 years, so I don't flatter myself that I'm anywhere close to those 397 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,160 guys. But what I do like to hear, like 398 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,520 your review of my orcs or there's this guy who runs a 399 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,440 YouTube channel called Rule of Carnage. 400 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,840 He works for a company called the Lecti Studios. 401 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,200 They just did a hobgoblin. Are you familiar with that game? 402 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:32,160 So his reviews and your reviews tend to like hit on the what I'm 403 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,040 going for just like chunky parts, not breakable, durable 404 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,920 and at least evoking that feeling of the old models. 405 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,840 Even if I'm not anywhere close to Kev Adams, I'm not even close 406 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:47,680 to Ally Morrison, obviously. But if I can make something that 407 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,440 you know on the table when you're standing at the table 408 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,760 looks something like that, then I'm feel like I'm doing my. 409 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,720 Job yeah no well said mate. I think it's the yeah. 410 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:02,520 Now, now that we've come into this era where we have people 411 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,680 with resin printers. I don't have one myself. 412 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,080 I, I don't think it's really my thing to have. 413 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,440 I prefer just to get someone to print them out and I'll just buy 414 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,040 them that way. I just don't have the time or 415 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,160 the, the space to facilitate something like a printer. 416 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,000 But I can see why for some, for certain people, it'll be really 417 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,240 interesting to get into. Or it's a, it's another fun part 418 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,880 of the hobby that they can explore like you did, you 419 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,200 started, you know, customizing your own prints and models and 420 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,720 that turned into sculpting miniatures. 421 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,320 And, and here you are, you know, you've got you, you had that 422 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,200 dream of having your own miniature company at, at, at at 423 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:43,720 first it just seemed just in crime, you know, it just seemed 424 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,320 not, not not possible given the financial outlay initially. 425 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,000 But here you are making your own stuff. 426 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:54,120 And I think a lot of the tools available now to people online 427 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,960 now, a lot of those can be free, that you can actually go in and 428 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,960 start making stuff and be creative. 429 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:01,680 So that's great. And it's a lot of skill to do 430 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,880 that too. I just don't think I have the 431 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,320 patience for it. But personally like, and it's 432 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,720 interesting to know that and I haven't asked you this, but did 433 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,960 you ever do like traditional sculpting before sculpting 434 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,560 miniatures digitally? Little bit of green stuff, 435 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:22,400 modifying miniatures, but to be honest like drawing or like 436 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,880 sculpting by hand. The art side of things. 437 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,880 I'm really not a super artistic person. 438 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,680 The reason this works for me is because I'm a computers guy. 439 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,320 My dad, my mom, both worked for IBMI, had a computer in the 440 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,240 house since I was a little kid. I had the Internet for anyone 441 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,560 else. We had DSL Internet when 442 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,280 everyone else didn't have dial up yet. 443 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,960 I've always been around computers my whole life and so 444 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:49,880 the, the digital technology side of things for this come to me a 445 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,400 lot easier. So I can, you know, I'm still 446 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,240 obviously if anyone can look at my miniatures, they're not at 447 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,880 the top end of the sculpting yet. 448 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,040 Obviously it'll be probably another eight years. 449 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,320 I think think for art to really be good, you have to do put 10 450 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,760 years into something that I put in two. 451 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,120 But what I'm hoping is I can sort of capture the attitude of 452 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,800 of the old, old hammer miniatures in a way that'll at 453 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,280 least, you know, give, give the customers we're looking for 454 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,120 something like that, something close to the feel. 455 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,920 Nothing will ever be the same as those metal miniatures that you 456 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,400 hold in your hand. They feel the weight of them and 457 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,960 the history of them. But this is the really the thing 458 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,520 for me with the Oldhammer stuff, before Oldhammer was Oldhammer 459 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:38,440 in like 2010, I used to buy old models on eBay because they were 460 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,840 cheaper. And then what's happened in the 461 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:44,200 last 15 years is now those models are way too expensive in 462 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,760 my opinion. And there's like a lot of like 463 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,880 manipulation of the value of them going on. 464 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,880 So what resin printing brings you is shockingly affordable 465 00:24:56,120 --> 00:24:59,920 Miniatures, I mean, pennies to print a guy. 466 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,400 And if you can find the designs you like, if you can find 467 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,400 sculptors that speak to you, in the long run you will save a lot 468 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,840 of money because one resin printer is not that expensive. 469 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,240 I have 7 now because I actually run a printing studio for my 470 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,240 stuff as well. You do need space though, like 471 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:17,680 what the thing you pointed on about. 472 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,560 You pointed out about space, that's very important. 473 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,520 I have AI live out in the country. 474 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,000 I have a big basement with a ventable room with all the 475 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,760 printers in it. I don't even go in that room 476 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,800 except to flip prints. You don't want a resin printer 477 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,680 if you're in A1 room apt. I hear about guys sleeping in 478 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,800 the same room as their resin printer. 479 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,600 You don't want to do that. No, you need a a room with 480 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,680 ventilation and you need to keep it away from your kids and your 481 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:47,520 pets and really yourself. It's it's volatile substance. 482 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,480 Yes, that's I think someone told me about that and that 483 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,320 immediately put me off getting one all together. 484 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,680 Now I've got to say, I'm a traditional metal miniature guy. 485 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,720 I, I love all my metal models and I think I'll die being a 486 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,320 metal model lover and the the lover of the, the plastic motor 487 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,000 post stuff. But I do again appreciate that, 488 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:10,800 you know, people like yourself and other. 489 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,800 There's a load of 3D sculptors out there now presenting their 490 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,600 stuff on Kickstarter. We talked about Kickstarter 491 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,840 before in a previous conversation, but, and how 492 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,800 important that is to launch people's projects and to to 493 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,480 realize their dreams and to form these small companies and sort 494 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,560 of build upon their reputation from that. 495 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,800 But it's giving people accessibility, like you say, to, 496 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,600 to a cheap alternative. And in the spirit of the old 497 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,040 models, which is what attracted to me when I saw you all ball 498 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,120 boys, I thought, well, you know, they look really like the sort 499 00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:50,920 of the late 5th or, you know, edition models from Warhammer. 500 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,120 And I thought, well, this is a good alternative. 501 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:56,200 And I saw some more stuff through Instagram too, other 502 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,920 people doing very similar projects. 503 00:26:58,360 --> 00:27:01,160 And I thought this is a great idea because this gives people 504 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,920 the opportunity to get the models at a fraction of the 505 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,920 price and then they can actually start playing. 506 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,440 And that's what we're really trying to do. 507 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,320 We're trying to get people out at the games table, you know, 508 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,760 and I don't want that, you know, the the ridiculous amount of 509 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,320 inflation that's happened now with Oldhammer models to be a 510 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,320 barrier for people. We want it more accessible. 511 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,360 So, yeah. So more power to you guys. 512 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:27,800 I think it's, you're doing a great service out there. 513 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,640 So now just looking at you because I know you've got a, 514 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,120 because I know you talked about selling physical copies. 515 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:37,960 You don't have just STLS, you have actual physical copies. 516 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,560 And I'm just going through your Patreon now where there are 517 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:48,320 actual tiers where people can per month pay, say $25.00 a 518 00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,680 month in order to receive, you know, you, you will actually 519 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,120 send out, you know, physical copies of the models, which is a 520 00:27:56,120 --> 00:28:00,120 really good idea because a lot of the problems is that like me, 521 00:28:00,120 --> 00:28:05,200 I don't have a 3D printer. So then trying to get someone to 522 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,720 print those models out for you can be a bit of a hurdle 523 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,720 sometimes. But to offer that is a really 524 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,880 good idea. Is that has that been successful 525 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,120 for you mate? Is that been better for you to 526 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:19,040 sell just the physical copies or is the STL market still pretty, 527 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:23,560 pretty strong? For me, it's been huge. 528 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,160 It's what it's really what sets me apart from the other 529 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,640 companies like to do what I do. If you look at my Kickstarters 530 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,920 that have done well, like the wave 2 of my undead stuff or the 531 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,880 wave one of my orcs, surprisingly the wave two of the 532 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,520 orcs, the cavalry didn't really do as well as I was expecting. 533 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,600 I think part of the reason for that is because more people have 534 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,440 printers now. So if you look at my Kickstarter 535 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:51,920 from last summer, the Undead Wave 2, a huge chunk of that was 536 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,080 physical miniatures because I only charge about $15.00 537 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,120 Canadian to pledge on the Kickstarters, which is not a ton 538 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,520 of money. I think it's about 9 lbs. 539 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,000 I might be wrong on that. I think it's about 9 lbs. 540 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,840 But I mean, obviously physical miniatures, that bumps up the 541 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,200 yield significantly. I still try to charge a very, 542 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,880 very reasonable price for my resin stuff, especially on 543 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,440 Kickstarter because I'm trying to give the absolute best value 544 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,240 I can. But yeah, the the physical side 545 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,600 of things helps a lot. The Patreon, yeah, there's an 546 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,160 option to get 20 infantry a month or like 10 cavalry or in 547 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,040 the case of last month where it was war machines. 548 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:34,640 I didn't think I did 4 war machines. 549 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,080 Or there you can do the larger one, which is 40 infantry or you 550 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,040 know, 20 cavalry or would have been 8 war machines last month. 551 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,720 Right now I'm doing Dwarfs and I'm trying to capture, if you 552 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,880 looked at them yet, the Marauder Imperial Dwarfs. 553 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,320 That's kind of the look I'm going for. 554 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,880 I just before I talked to you, I've been sitting in the last 555 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,640 few days working up. If you remember, the old 556 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,560 Marauder plastic Shields were really, really good. 557 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,600 So I'm trying to work on an approximation of those for my 558 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,760 dwarfs that an eagle head. I've done a bear head and a 559 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,480 tower and just like trying to trying to make something that 560 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,160 feels like those classic Marauder Imperial Dwarfs. 561 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,400 But I'm really try to be conscious not to be doing direct 562 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,480 copies. I'm not trying to RIP anyone 563 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,160 else's ideas off. I'm trying to be inspired by 564 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,200 them and I'm trying to put my own twist on them. 565 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,880 Because obviously there is a problem with 3D printing right 566 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,240 now. If people send selling direct 567 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:39,920 copies of stuff, which obviously I think there's a lot of stuff 568 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,920 like that because it's so out there 3D printing and anyone can 569 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,800 do it, There's going to be like bad actors who kind of hurt the 570 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,720 whole scene. Because the vast, vast majority 571 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,920 of people pay for the files and they support the independent 572 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,600 sculptors and stuff. But there is a large market of 573 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,480 people just sharing direct copies of stuff. 574 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,520 And I mean, the big problem with that is it's just going to get 575 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,720 these websites like My Mini Factory, which is a great 576 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,120 website, Colts 3D, which is a great website shut down and 577 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,320 that'll suck for everyone. Yeah, that's right. 578 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,240 Yep. So message to those people out 579 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,680 there who are doing that. Don't be a Dick. 580 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,640 I think would be the most appropriate way to to stop that 581 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,960 because, yeah. And we, we want to see things 582 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,520 like 3D cults, which is a great resource for people who want to 583 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,360 just pick up something on the fly just to get that last maybe 584 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,800 40K vehicle or last regiment they need for their army or 585 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,840 something. Just to download the STLS which 586 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,400 are most, in most cases for free or for a very small fee. 587 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:49,200 It's doing a great, great reward to the community for that. 588 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,240 So yeah, I'm looking at your Dwars now, mate. 589 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,360 So yeah, they're looking pretty, pretty cool. 590 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,520 So that's good to see. We're going to talk about your 591 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:02,080 ranges because we know you have obviously the orcs and the 592 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,480 dwarves, but you've had some other previous Kickstarters, we 593 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,960 released some other factions. So you want to talk about those? 594 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,840 Yeah, well, the very, very first thing I did was evil warriors. 595 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:20,000 So think like very old Chaos Warriors style, but also like 596 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,400 Ralph Partha did a lot of stuff looked just like that back in 597 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,480 the day as well. Wasn't wasn't Chaos was kind of 598 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,480 a shared term across a lot of the old miniatures companies. 599 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,480 So I started with a Chaos Warriors kit back at the end of 600 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,960 2022, largely because when I looked at all the different 601 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,200 miniatures I liked, those felt like the ones because it's 602 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,720 almost all hard surfaces that would be easy for me to do when 603 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,200 I was really, really just learning at that point. 604 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,840 So I started with Evil Warriors and then I did a second Evil 605 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,360 Warriors Kickstarter the next winter, the January, the 606 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:03,200 February where I released Chariots, Knights Infantry. 607 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,320 But I was still really learning at that point. 608 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:09,760 I think those guys, I think that was called Army of Evil Wave 609 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,200 One. I think they're really 610 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,480 evocative, but I was still kind of learning how to get them to 611 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,960 be easy to build and in the interest of having more very 612 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,160 variation maybe when a few too many parts. 613 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,840 So they're kind of an expert kit 'cause you've got body, head, 614 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,600 arms, shoulder pads, shield, all separate parts within resin is 615 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,120 quite rare. But I do think they're, they're 616 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,800 good models. I've come I think a a ways from 617 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,320 there. So I kind of did another attempt 618 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:44,840 at evil warriors and evil Barbarians last winter, more 619 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,360 like Marauder type guys. And then another attempt at 620 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:51,640 Knights and warriors and stuff. And then my most successful 621 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:58,480 range has been the undead, mostly skeletons, which I just 622 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,080 always loved the old Warhammer undead stuff. 623 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,840 And yeah, that was my biggest Kickstarter to date was the wave 624 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,920 two of the skeleton army. I did some skeletal giants, 625 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,960 chariot, two different types of cavalry and another kind of 626 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:18,159 infantry and just try to like really give you something that 627 00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:19,920 looks. I actually had a guy, I was 628 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,400 playing Dragon Rampant with a friend and the guy came in and 629 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,239 thought my stuff was old Warhammer stuff, which was 630 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:27,360 really cool. I was like, no, these are 631 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:28,880 actually brand new and they look closer. 632 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,880 He's like, Oh yeah, they're bigger and they're chunkier and 633 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,639 like they're a little different. But he just really kind of 634 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:36,600 capture that look and that feel and that sort of era in all of 635 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,080 our lives. So I think that's like a big 636 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,320 part of the Oldhammer thing, is the nostalgia. 637 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,040 Yes, very much so, yeah, It's, it's great to see. 638 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,760 And I, I think I was talking to you about that. 639 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,199 There's actually a Facebook group all about those people 640 00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:55,400 like you yourself and like Brodiak, Faberzell and Red Bard 641 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,600 games. All these people who all the 642 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:03,960 creators who are making these 3D sculpted models in the style of 643 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,440 the well, hero hammer, old hammer, middle hammer errors. 644 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,720 There's a whole Facebook group just date dedicated for that. 645 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:14,520 So just new models, but in the old style, which I think is a 646 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,200 really, really cool to see. It's really nice that it's sort 647 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,480 of living on and people hark back to that era because they 648 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,320 just, yeah, I mean, those designs, there was a reason why 649 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,160 people were attracted to it, not because it was the first thing 650 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,080 they picked up, probably because it was just like, it's a lot 651 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,680 cooler to look at or the models are just much better maybe in 652 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,400 some regards to a lot of the other stuff that came out later, 653 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,000 all the modern stuff. So yeah, it's really good to 654 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,760 see, mate. So and look, I think we'll wrap 655 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,000 it up today, mate. So thank you very much again for 656 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,800 coming on and to taking all that time with the false start 657 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,240 initially and then coming back for a second run. 658 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,840 I hope that people will become more aware about what Celtic 659 00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:01,120 Miniatures offers and they can always check out the links in 660 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,120 the podcast description here to check out. 661 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,600 Yeah, your Instagram, your Patreon there and any other 662 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,080 links you want to send me. I'll leave it there mate, so 663 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,840 they can go and check out your stuff and and hopefully make 664 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,920 some enquiries about it. So, Ian, so thanks again mate 665 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,280 for your time today. Thank you very much.