1 00:00:01,300 --> 00:00:06,700 From the fabled, fiery forges of the Sunderland of our Clash. 2 00:00:07,100 --> 00:00:13,400 Comes con forecast, join us. As we battle on the front lines 3 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:18,500 of a continent lost in darkness, at the time of the Ragnarok. 4 00:00:19,100 --> 00:00:28,100 For we are here, not for silence or Slumber for confrontation. 5 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,100 I think it's actually philosophical conversations 6 00:00:33,100 --> 00:00:36,600 about kind of rotation and where it is now and where we wanted to 7 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,800 be in that kind of thing and philosophically. 8 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:41,200 I think it's a bit of a challenge. 9 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,500 I think that you have individuals and I'm more in that 10 00:00:45,500 --> 00:00:49,100 camp than others which is like dead is better in the game. 11 00:00:49,300 --> 00:00:53,900 Dad is a closed system which for the actual game, not not the 12 00:00:53,900 --> 00:00:57,500 velour, the world like for the actual game being dead in some 13 00:00:57,500 --> 00:01:02,500 ways, gives it a sense of life, gives it a Some of, you know, 14 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,500 not updates that you do not up, not Devastation in some way 15 00:01:06,500 --> 00:01:08,500 where it's something comes in and a new profiles better. 16 00:01:08,500 --> 00:01:10,600 And we have to repoint everything, which I think is 17 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,700 kind of fun and exciting. But to your point and I think 18 00:01:13,700 --> 00:01:18,600 that where we get a lot of value and people like title is we're 19 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,100 bringing a new players, we're getting people engaged with the 20 00:01:21,100 --> 00:01:23,800 world, we're getting people that maybe weren't around when this 21 00:01:23,900 --> 00:01:27,200 art piece first dropped and kind of what happens. 22 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,800 Then what happens to continue that growth? 23 00:01:29,900 --> 00:01:33,400 Both continue to engage players to try and find a way. 24 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,400 If you're bringing somebody a new, how do they find out about 25 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:37,900 Rackham? How do they find models, how 26 00:01:37,900 --> 00:01:40,300 they engage with the game? What are their the touch points 27 00:01:40,300 --> 00:01:42,700 are resources? And so, that's where things like 28 00:01:42,700 --> 00:01:45,000 the wiki and all the work that Krill is doing, is incredibly 29 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,300 valuable. And so it is sort of a mixed bag 30 00:01:48,300 --> 00:01:52,100 and it's a balancing act, but and I said the same thing to 31 00:01:52,100 --> 00:01:55,400 Kyle as well when I talked to him, that, you know, there is a 32 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:59,600 challenge in that confrontation has this long Rich history and 33 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:02,900 that I'm rich history. Also has meant that, there's 34 00:02:02,900 --> 00:02:05,400 many people like me that are old fogies that are stuck in our 35 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,500 ways and you can't necessarily build a game. 36 00:02:08,500 --> 00:02:13,000 Build a world build a miniature company interests company around 37 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,500 specifically just feel Nostalgia because illness Dowager players, 38 00:02:16,500 --> 00:02:18,800 only a handful of us laugh as one of the things we're doing. 39 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,800 And so the question is, how do you grow, how do you engage? 40 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,400 How do you build that next batch? 41 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,300 The next generation of players that look at Continuum with the 42 00:02:26,300 --> 00:02:28,500 same level of reverence? And then look at original rack 43 00:02:28,500 --> 00:02:31,800 and things like that and the The more you try to be totally 44 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:37,300 married or stuck with the original 3.0 3.5 rag, you know, 45 00:02:37,300 --> 00:02:40,400 2.0 the harder, it is to strip break away and do your own 46 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:41,600 thing. So you really have to strike 47 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,400 that balance where you're not deviating so much that you've 48 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,300 you know, lost the heart, how lost the soul loss for everybody 49 00:02:49,300 --> 00:02:52,700 was interested in but you also can't be so tired and so engaged 50 00:02:52,700 --> 00:02:56,800 to something that you know it's this old stuck in its old ways 51 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,100 kind of thing if you want to bring a new players and bring in 52 00:02:59,100 --> 00:03:02,600 some energy and some So it's a tough gal I don't, I don't envy 53 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,400 Kyle. I know he's producing a bunch of 54 00:03:04,408 --> 00:03:05,800 good work. I know there's another company 55 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,800 that allegedly is closed. Doors, already popped the right 56 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:13,600 solution, see what they do and we'll see kind of what happens 57 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,300 going forward, but it's an exciting time as a confrontation 58 00:03:16,300 --> 00:03:20,100 fan, for sure. So yeah we'll call is doing is 59 00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:24,000 trying to not Reinventing the wheel, but in a sense bringing 60 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,800 new game you know incorporating a lot of the old profiles into 61 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,200 the game, developing new Miniatures which are beautifully 62 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,300 done based on Gary talks, artwork and everything, 63 00:03:35,300 --> 00:03:37,500 everything. Everything about what he's doing 64 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:41,300 is all, you know, based on what we love about confrontation, a 65 00:03:41,308 --> 00:03:43,600 lot of a sort of barricade, well, and inspired at the 66 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:45,600 moment, but I'm sure it's going to Branch out and different 67 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,100 factions and that kind of thing as well. 68 00:03:47,500 --> 00:03:50,600 But really Reducing the cards. I mean it's that's a big thing 69 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,100 as well. So it's going to reproduce all 70 00:03:52,100 --> 00:03:56,100 the cards for the factions in English and in a new format. 71 00:03:56,100 --> 00:03:59,000 So they got all the you know, the strength attack but all that 72 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,200 all the kind of attributes listed in there as well. 73 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,700 So it's really refreshing to see this come to light and I know 74 00:04:04,700 --> 00:04:06,700 you know, Kyle's just doing the solo. 75 00:04:06,700 --> 00:04:09,300 So it's going to take quite a long time to actually get it off 76 00:04:09,300 --> 00:04:12,300 the ground, but it's wonderful to see these, you know, little 77 00:04:12,300 --> 00:04:16,000 Snippets of news and releases and you can buy the Miniatures, 78 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,000 you can buy the cards and that kind of thing from Him. 79 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,800 So, it's really good. So it's a positive step in a 80 00:04:20,808 --> 00:04:23,800 direction where I think it's going to eventually end up as 81 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,800 being a game where people can actually buy and actually play 82 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,700 like you say otherwise, it's going to be Euro, Las Olas, old 83 00:04:30,700 --> 00:04:37,900 blokes playing, you know 3.0 3.5 or these different fractured 84 00:04:37,900 --> 00:04:41,500 elements of Confrontation which is what I want to get to now is 85 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:43,500 one of the reasons why I brought you on because you're sort of 86 00:04:43,500 --> 00:04:47,300 building up a community or building of events centered 87 00:04:47,300 --> 00:04:50,500 around. Rule set that you've created. 88 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,600 That are not a massive deviation from 3.0. 89 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,900 It's not a massive. And I think that's probably a 90 00:04:55,907 --> 00:04:58,700 fair thing to say. It's not, you know. 91 00:04:58,700 --> 00:05:03,400 I don't know anything about conversation Evolution, but I'm 92 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,100 thinking that's a bit of a, I'm not really sure but anyhow 93 00:05:07,100 --> 00:05:08,500 people haven't taken it back through. 94 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:11,200 I'm happy it's no problem. So you can, you can you if you 95 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,600 know about it, that's great because I don't know, jack shit 96 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:18,700 about them. Things about the rule set 97 00:05:18,700 --> 00:05:21,500 somewhere where it's happening and kind of the earlier Point 98 00:05:21,500 --> 00:05:25,900 around a conversation about like legitimacy in the community and 99 00:05:25,900 --> 00:05:28,700 philosophical differences, but I think it's really important to 100 00:05:28,707 --> 00:05:31,500 sort of understand the concept in the history around 101 00:05:31,500 --> 00:05:34,400 confrontation, where it was like it was 2.0 which is beloved by a 102 00:05:34,407 --> 00:05:37,300 huge group of people 3.0 came out. 103 00:05:37,300 --> 00:05:39,900 There was some 2.0 people that really love through point out, 104 00:05:39,900 --> 00:05:43,600 as much as 2.0 but kind of got on board 3.0 was wildly 105 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:48,000 successful and you got towards of you know, kind of the the To 106 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,500 end the life of Rack Em and they started to shift to that point 107 00:05:51,500 --> 00:05:55,700 towards a focus of Asia Ragnarok and and really released 2.5 and 108 00:05:55,700 --> 00:06:00,400 3.5 at that point was a rule set that depending who you talk to 109 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,400 increase in enhanced and made something better. 110 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,300 And there's also groups that think that made the game a 111 00:06:05,300 --> 00:06:07,400 little bit worse. And so one of the interesting 112 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,900 things that happened was a 3.5 in his release was somewhat 113 00:06:09,900 --> 00:06:11,600 polarizing. That is polarizing is the 114 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,500 pre-painted Plastics but still somewhat polarizing kind of 115 00:06:14,500 --> 00:06:17,900 across the board and up to this point, you know, there was As 116 00:06:17,900 --> 00:06:19,600 the gdr, there were all the different cores. 117 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,400 All people International kind of a green on some sort of quarter 118 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,000 note rule set that was was really beneficial and so with 119 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,200 3.5 dropped and this is sort of at the end of rackham's life 120 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,800 when Rackham sort of went under, what you were left with was you 121 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,200 were left with an official release of 3.5 that was somewhat 122 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,200 controversial. And so what you ended up doing 123 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,700 is you saw some of the chords and groups that continue playing 124 00:06:43,700 --> 00:06:47,500 3.5 and you saw a number of groups and chords that basically 125 00:06:47,500 --> 00:06:53,500 were Look 3.5 is not. We want to play in some, some 126 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:56,200 would argue maybe is more detrimental to the game than 3.0 127 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,500 was and so it was a conversation of like what is that look like? 128 00:06:59,500 --> 00:07:01,600 Where do we go in that same vein? 129 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,600 You're also going to point where because Rocco has gone, 130 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:09,400 bankrupt, has gone under there is no sense or Aura of 131 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,600 legitimacy around any sort of rule set. 132 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,800 And so this is the great split, the great Fray into the 133 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,100 different rule sets that exist and so It is the starting point 134 00:07:19,100 --> 00:07:22,200 for some people that reverted to 3.0 many. 135 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,700 Many people play 3.5 the start of the French group creating 136 00:07:25,700 --> 00:07:29,000 their own, their own empowered, will set the start of the 137 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,500 Italian sort of looking at what they wanted to do for a rule 138 00:07:31,500 --> 00:07:34,100 set. And then we're Legacy branches 139 00:07:34,100 --> 00:07:37,300 out is actually from the UK cord will set. 140 00:07:37,300 --> 00:07:40,000 And so at the time when rack and went under and the wreck and 141 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:43,300 forums under there actually was a migration of many to a variety 142 00:07:43,300 --> 00:07:46,400 of forms, one of them is Dragon painting and I think was what it 143 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,700 was and that was really Lot of the UK cord and English speakers 144 00:07:49,700 --> 00:07:54,200 actually migrated at that point, at that period of time, the UK 145 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,600 cord was trying to come up with a rule set that they were trying 146 00:07:56,600 --> 00:08:00,600 to capture and keep aspects and elements of 3.5 while also 147 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,200 eliminating or reducing some of the hardships or problems that 148 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:09,200 occurred in a 3.5 environment. And it's interesting because 149 00:08:09,300 --> 00:08:12,100 just like the Italians and eventually what became Evo and 150 00:08:12,100 --> 00:08:15,400 the French between pathetic. There's a fundamental agreement 151 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,400 across those communities, and while we may not agree on all 152 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,100 the rules, we need to agree in that the methodology or some of 153 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:22,800 those different things. There is a core agreement that 154 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:28,600 2.5 itself and played purely as 3.5 is not as flexible as 155 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,900 interesting or as enjoyable as a game as what it could be. 156 00:08:32,299 --> 00:08:35,100 And so each of those rulesets kind of went out and did their 157 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:38,700 own thing to build the better we'll set up and you can 158 00:08:38,700 --> 00:08:42,400 coordinate releasing a set of rules in about 2009. 159 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,700 I believe, is the last sort of update and that was one of the 160 00:08:45,700 --> 00:08:48,200 last steps a update. And that was the point where Are 161 00:08:49,700 --> 00:08:52,900 my local community is because I build communities all across the 162 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:54,800 East Coast. This point, we're starting to 163 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,600 look and keep and play off of the UK cord will set and that 164 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,400 ended up becoming legacies, rule set from there. 165 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:06,000 And so that really was where we stuck, and that's where we sort 166 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,600 of deviated from computation Evolution and confetti, and 167 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,400 those kind of things. And so part of the argument 168 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,000 within confrontation as a whole is that the game is super solid, 169 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,700 everybody that's played. Gloves that we've all been 170 00:09:18,700 --> 00:09:21,600 around for a million years while the old fogies, we love the game 171 00:09:22,100 --> 00:09:24,300 but there's sort of philosophical differences of 172 00:09:24,700 --> 00:09:27,500 what makes it great? What makes it a good game? 173 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,700 What are things that made me need to ship your change to kind 174 00:09:30,700 --> 00:09:34,200 of get it to a point where it's more optimized or it's better. 175 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:35,900 It's the game we want to play, right? 176 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,400 And so each of those are fundamental differences and 177 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,800 Legacy at the point at this point in time. 178 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:44,400 And then even back then the goal was really sort of the same, 179 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,700 which is how do we do the minimal? 180 00:09:47,700 --> 00:09:53,400 Impossible to the game to allow it, to retain all of its quirks 181 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,900 and allow it to kind of move forward and play. 182 00:09:55,900 --> 00:09:59,500 Even if we know that there are some innate imbalances that are 183 00:09:59,500 --> 00:10:01,800 part of the game. And so part of it is like, what 184 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,400 are the balances that are so extreme you have to do some sort 185 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,200 of Correction of fix or what are some of the changes that we just 186 00:10:08,208 --> 00:10:12,700 leave in and we understand? So I'll give an example widely. 187 00:10:12,700 --> 00:10:15,800 Received the widely, you know, hopefully uncontroversial 188 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,100 summoning. Can be somewhat problematic. 189 00:10:19,100 --> 00:10:22,800 Right especially 3.5 were a model comes out and sort of is 190 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,200 able to adjust and add additional points to the field. 191 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,900 That may be another Army either has or doesn't have, but if 192 00:10:27,900 --> 00:10:30,000 you're not equipped with somebody and it can be consumed 193 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,700 or problematic and you have to always least consider that, you 194 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:35,200 know that if you are going to play a series of games, you're 195 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,900 probably going to play against majority something list, maybe 196 00:10:38,900 --> 00:10:39,800 you don't. But you're going to, you're 197 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,200 going to need to be prepared for you the way. 198 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:46,200 And so one of the core questions for that was in 3.0, Mages 199 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:50,800 Mystics priest. People like are pretty not great 200 00:10:50,900 --> 00:10:52,700 because their points costs are already pretty high. 201 00:10:52,700 --> 00:10:55,600 They have to cover the costs of their spells or their miracles 202 00:10:55,900 --> 00:11:00,200 and it just gets prohibitive 3.5 because everything is free. 203 00:11:00,700 --> 00:11:03,500 They massively out class Warrior characters. 204 00:11:03,500 --> 00:11:05,900 This is not really a great reason to bring a warrior 205 00:11:05,900 --> 00:11:08,700 character, particularly because many of the mystics may have 206 00:11:08,700 --> 00:11:11,600 leadership in high discipline, which allows them to be equally 207 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:13,300 as effective as leaders and some of the Warriors. 208 00:11:13,300 --> 00:11:17,200 And so you ended up with this sort of bifurcation and so there 209 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,200 was a A lot of discussion within the community of like, how do 210 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,300 you balance that? How do you find a way to make 211 00:11:23,300 --> 00:11:24,600 it? So that a player is really 212 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,900 trying to make a choice and say, either of these are viable, 213 00:11:27,900 --> 00:11:30,300 either of these are reasonable and that kind of thing. 214 00:11:30,300 --> 00:11:32,700 And so that led to a series of conversations around things 215 00:11:32,700 --> 00:11:35,500 like, you take the Ragnarok tactics and add them to Warrior 216 00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:37,500 characters. They can cast things or things 217 00:11:37,500 --> 00:11:39,800 like that. Or do you find a way on balance 218 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,400 of some amount of free spells? How do you tackle summoning? 219 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:44,900 And so there's a lot of conversations going back and 220 00:11:44,900 --> 00:11:48,200 forth around medicine and ultimately, you can Jordan in 221 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,700 sort of Legacy kind of ended up in a similar spot, which is that 222 00:11:53,300 --> 00:11:56,900 the best mechanic that we could come up with was to allow for 223 00:11:56,900 --> 00:12:00,100 free spells, have someone in always cast this? 224 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,000 And I'm happy to admit to anybody out there is not perfect 225 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,800 in perfect, and in part of that, is that there's a lot of there 226 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:13,400 are over, 500,000 the game. There's over 120 Miracles, and 227 00:12:13,500 --> 00:12:15,100 they're not all appropriately, costed. 228 00:12:15,100 --> 00:12:17,200 Some of them are great, amazing spells. 229 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,300 Some of Mr. Or the Miracles. And some of them are not 230 00:12:20,300 --> 00:12:23,800 necessarily the most effective. And so part of the argument here 231 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,800 is, and this is what confetti, and Evo did is, they said, in 232 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,800 order to make this, the game that we want to make this, we 233 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,700 actually have to go in. We've got to adjust the points. 234 00:12:32,700 --> 00:12:35,300 We've got to adjust the Spells and sort of their cost or even 235 00:12:35,300 --> 00:12:36,900 how somehow some of them operate. 236 00:12:36,900 --> 00:12:41,000 We need to look at things like wound levels were plateaus to 237 00:12:41,008 --> 00:12:42,300 say it's something that's really, really big. 238 00:12:42,300 --> 00:12:44,500 Maybe, maybe it has more than four wound levels. 239 00:12:44,500 --> 00:12:46,600 We start to add in points or things like that. 240 00:12:46,700 --> 00:12:50,000 Where we look at things like, Ones or ones, failing is such a 241 00:12:50,008 --> 00:12:52,200 detrimental thing that it weakens really, really big 242 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,200 models and the incentivizes forwards and those kind of 243 00:12:54,208 --> 00:12:56,300 things. And so that was that 244 00:12:56,300 --> 00:12:59,800 philosophical, split it. So you ended up getting Legacy 245 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,200 which is capturing and keeping some of the warts of the 246 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,900 original game. Whereas even confetti have gone 247 00:13:05,900 --> 00:13:08,200 to invent and push their game and Direction they want. 248 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:09,800 They've added they've done things that we were talking 249 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,200 earlier where they've added new profiles with added things to 250 00:13:12,208 --> 00:13:15,300 say, hey the Kini, Behemoth are not robust. 251 00:13:15,300 --> 00:13:17,600 How do we add profiles to make that more viable? 252 00:13:17,700 --> 00:13:21,300 Well, and reasonable Army. And well, I don't necessarily 253 00:13:21,300 --> 00:13:23,800 agree with that and I'm not, I'm not going to basically, you 254 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,200 know, that's not the most that I would play. 255 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:27,600 I fully understand it, I get it. I love it. 256 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:29,700 I love the community is full of passionate people that are 257 00:13:29,700 --> 00:13:31,500 engaged with this and approaching the game in the 258 00:13:31,508 --> 00:13:33,900 direction that they think is beneficial. 259 00:13:33,900 --> 00:13:37,000 And I am happy to put this on the disk, or to this. 260 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,200 A number of places I've played, all the roles sense. 261 00:13:39,300 --> 00:13:41,300 Well, I may not necessarily fully agree with him. 262 00:13:41,500 --> 00:13:43,300 I love them. I enjoyed playing them. 263 00:13:43,300 --> 00:13:47,600 It's a reasonable and great thing, and felon. 264 00:13:47,700 --> 00:13:49,900 The other evil people are spectacular to talk with 265 00:13:49,900 --> 00:13:54,000 interact with and they had some really good Traction in the u.s. 266 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,800 that probably would have been the closest to legitimate rule 267 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:00,700 set until Sands, detour had come forward since detour asked 268 00:14:00,700 --> 00:14:04,200 confrontation, even when to stop, you know, sort of pushing 269 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,500 her pursuing the rules, all really, really killed their 270 00:14:07,500 --> 00:14:10,400 momentum, but that point up to Leading decisions. 271 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,900 Do you go to 0? That was the last of 272 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:17,500 interesting. I didn't know that. 273 00:14:17,700 --> 00:14:23,300 Right now, of course, people who don't know, Sanskrit or bought 274 00:14:23,300 --> 00:14:29,500 the IP from Rackham, the and they had launched this 275 00:14:29,500 --> 00:14:32,300 Kickstarter that. People are very excited about 276 00:14:32,300 --> 00:14:36,200 because it was going to bring back all the models in metal and 277 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:40,600 resin at some point and people pledged a lot of money to 278 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,300 support this wonderful idea and they're going to bring out the I 279 00:14:44,308 --> 00:14:48,500 think was a 3.5 rules. It was a Josh, the Re-release 280 00:14:49,900 --> 00:14:54,400 the plan at the point for the launch was to bring out starter 281 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,500 armies for each of the factions as part of the kickstarter and 282 00:14:57,500 --> 00:15:00,800 to use and operate under 3.5 rules. 283 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,300 We had a number of sort of unreleased sculpts that they 284 00:15:03,300 --> 00:15:05,500 have gone to a couple communities to get some fan-made 285 00:15:05,500 --> 00:15:07,800 profiles to add some new profiles to it. 286 00:15:07,900 --> 00:15:10,700 And then ultimately the money of the kickstarter was allegedly 287 00:15:10,700 --> 00:15:14,700 supposed to be used to funnel to fund the confrontation 288 00:15:14,700 --> 00:15:17,500 Resurrection, which is similar to kind of what Kyle is. 289 00:15:17,700 --> 00:15:20,100 Oh, is doing now, which is the next version of duration, the 290 00:15:20,100 --> 00:15:23,000 game that uses some of the old profiles but it's new and fresh 291 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:27,000 and different and obviously that never came to fruition. 292 00:15:27,700 --> 00:15:28,400 Yes. Sadly. 293 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,200 So, when people lost a lot of money and I think they, they 294 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,100 went to court and I think they probably in jail, those guys who 295 00:15:35,100 --> 00:15:38,400 put that put that together, which is not a nice thing, and 296 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,100 it's horrible to see. But some, there you go. 297 00:15:41,100 --> 00:15:43,300 You got to be really careful when you start launching 298 00:15:43,300 --> 00:15:45,600 kickstarter's. But it looks very promising in 299 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:49,700 the beginning, and it looked very hopeful But unfortunately 300 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,200 something went awry and they just miscalculated, their costs 301 00:15:53,300 --> 00:15:57,100 for producing the models or getting people to sculpt the 302 00:15:57,100 --> 00:16:00,400 Miniatures or casting or whatever it might be, and it all 303 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,700 went down, the drain. You are a solid agent and nice. 304 00:16:03,700 --> 00:16:09,000 That's not about that about that. 305 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:12,800 But, you know, it is an unfortunate situation and 306 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,700 actually think it's a really interesting thing to think about 307 00:16:14,700 --> 00:16:19,100 from the community perspective that it's another hit and 308 00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:23,200 history of rackham's death. We're we're kind of zombie it 309 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,800 and things like that and you lose more legitimacy. 310 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:28,800 You lose more. More faith in sort of the next 311 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,700 things out there which puts added an increased pressure on 312 00:16:31,700 --> 00:16:34,300 anybody that continues to produce things within the world, 313 00:16:34,300 --> 00:16:37,800 which is unfortunate for the hardcore fans like ourselves. 314 00:16:38,300 --> 00:16:40,400 Yeah, I was going to say that I was in the back, row of the 315 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,500 kickstarter. I looked at it at a very keen, 316 00:16:43,500 --> 00:16:46,700 you know, at that time I wasn't, you know, getting back into 317 00:16:46,700 --> 00:16:49,000 Rackham or back. Into confrontation at all. 318 00:16:49,500 --> 00:16:52,300 I still have my collections which I was, I was selling off 319 00:16:52,300 --> 00:16:57,400 to Silverado in Canada at the time and I was keeping hold of 320 00:16:57,408 --> 00:17:00,000 my dogs, and my goblins because they're my beloved model 321 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,800 Collections and I love those guys. 322 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:06,300 I would never part with them for any money but and then I was 323 00:17:06,300 --> 00:17:08,700 doing at it in just in curiosity. 324 00:17:08,700 --> 00:17:11,300 How was going to go? How's it going to develop but 325 00:17:11,300 --> 00:17:15,599 then I thought well they're going to re-release the 3.0 326 00:17:15,599 --> 00:17:20,000 rules what it was, you know, I thought Well, why stop playing a 327 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,500 game when you've actually got you can buy the book. 328 00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:25,300 I bought it secondhand, you can buy the books and play the game. 329 00:17:25,500 --> 00:17:28,400 You've got the Miniatures, you know, get get onto it, you know 330 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,900 just do it and they're going to bring out Resurrection. 331 00:17:31,900 --> 00:17:34,600 I thought okay well let's see what that's like, you know, I'm 332 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:37,700 sort of a little bit unsure about what that was going to be. 333 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,300 But obviously never came to fruition anyway but you know, if 334 00:17:42,300 --> 00:17:45,300 you've got these Dead games and I love Dead games, I've got I'm 335 00:17:45,300 --> 00:17:49,200 surrounded by them. Just get them out of the shell 336 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,600 and play them because you can find someone, who's as 337 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,300 passionate as you are about them, then you can just have 338 00:17:55,300 --> 00:17:59,200 fun, you know, playing any local in your garage or your local 339 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:00,400 game store or whether it might be. 340 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:04,500 And, you know, these got these games can sort of still breathe 341 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:07,900 life, you know, on the tabletop. I think that's the key. 342 00:18:07,900 --> 00:18:11,400 And I think that it's important to also to articulate this that 343 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,400 while I don't necessarily love 4.5. 344 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,300 I've spent a lot of my life, playing competition 3.5, and I 345 00:18:16,308 --> 00:18:17,600 know there's a huge number of people. 346 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,300 People out there that still play. 347 00:18:19,300 --> 00:18:21,400 And I know there was an advantage after the last 348 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,100 encounter. They just had a bunch of players 349 00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:25,500 playing 4.5 and stuff like that which is super exciting. 350 00:18:26,100 --> 00:18:28,500 You know as a computation fan were a niche of a Nation a 351 00:18:28,508 --> 00:18:30,600 niche. And so at that point like if 352 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:35,900 anybody's playing it I love it. And well I would always argue 353 00:18:35,900 --> 00:18:38,500 for an articulate why I think Legacy is the better way to 354 00:18:38,500 --> 00:18:40,400 play. That's never going to stop me 355 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,000 from wanting a game or are watching. 356 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,100 People throw dice or seeing rack and models on the table. 357 00:18:45,100 --> 00:18:47,500 So I think it's a super exciting. 358 00:18:47,700 --> 00:18:49,800 Thing. And I'm really happy that after 359 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,200 all this time, they're still players out there that are 360 00:18:52,500 --> 00:18:54,400 entranced by the game that still love it. 361 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,700 That when I go out and demo, we're talk about it. 362 00:18:56,700 --> 00:18:58,700 Somebody has some inkling, their head of, they heard about it 363 00:18:58,700 --> 00:19:00,800 back in the day or hey, they want to try it now. 364 00:19:01,100 --> 00:19:04,200 And I think that's been a lot of fun, and sort of community 365 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,200 building and kind of keeping the enchilada. 366 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:09,900 Yep. I think so, might I think, well, 367 00:19:09,900 --> 00:19:11,900 I think if you really fell in love with the game, like I 368 00:19:11,900 --> 00:19:14,500 didn't play the game, personally only had a couple of games of it 369 00:19:14,500 --> 00:19:17,000 back in the day when it was still around. 370 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,400 But I love I love the Miniatures, I love the artwork, 371 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,100 I love the concepts. I love the ideas behind it, and 372 00:19:23,100 --> 00:19:25,600 it's sort of just being a process of learning about it 373 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,100 now. Yeah, playing the games. 374 00:19:28,100 --> 00:19:30,300 Eventually, you know, now playing the games and learning 375 00:19:30,300 --> 00:19:33,100 learning that process of all the different profiles. 376 00:19:33,100 --> 00:19:37,000 All the different rules is quite a complex Beast confrontation. 377 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,400 But it's a beautiful Beast. I think it's definitely a huge 378 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,200 game and it's one of the reasons why even as a dead system, it's 379 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,600 still pass a encapsulating. So I've been playing competition 380 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:51,100 for over 20 years. Um, I ended up starting in C1. 381 00:19:51,100 --> 00:19:53,800 I had French friends that knew the game and we're able to sort 382 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,300 of translate it when it's French, only. 383 00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:58,000 Wow. And that was really fun and then 384 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,700 obviously C2 is where it started to hit to take off and we had 385 00:20:01,700 --> 00:20:05,300 some English translations of the C2 rules and it became pretty 386 00:20:05,300 --> 00:20:08,400 popular at the time early on this is where I was competing 387 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,200 with with things like a workshop and depressed and I kind of 388 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:15,900 stuff and you know it was really the market wasn't as saturated 389 00:20:15,900 --> 00:20:19,200 as is now and in rap. And speaking of the art Rackham, 390 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,100 really at the time was, you know, leagues above everyone 391 00:20:22,100 --> 00:20:23,200 else. In terms of their work, they're 392 00:20:23,208 --> 00:20:25,600 producing the models that producing and their Studio paint 393 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,500 jobs, were substantially better than a lot of stuff though was 394 00:20:28,500 --> 00:20:33,400 also out there and so you know, that was a golden age to bring 395 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,200 people into the game. They could get models, they 396 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:36,700 could play the game that could see the art. 397 00:20:36,700 --> 00:20:42,200 And so there's a lot of a lot of fun and, you know, play Z2 and 398 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,000 feeling that and how that's substantially different than 399 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,800 three and then playing three in the plane 3.5 and stuff like 400 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,600 that was It was really a lot of fun and it's been able to kind 401 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,700 of keep people invested and part of the game for me for such a 402 00:20:53,708 --> 00:20:57,500 long time. So I started with lions because 403 00:20:57,500 --> 00:21:01,100 of the time we started there were not a lot of armies and 404 00:21:01,100 --> 00:21:03,700 then I spent a lot of time in terms of War for a while and 405 00:21:03,700 --> 00:21:06,700 then obviously I've known across the community Forum in or which 406 00:21:06,700 --> 00:21:09,900 is one of the things that I'm incredibly passionate about. 407 00:21:09,900 --> 00:21:15,000 So I've played with her against everything over the years and 408 00:21:15,700 --> 00:21:17,900 it's part of the fun but there's just something Thing about 409 00:21:17,900 --> 00:21:21,100 mid-north that captures me, even play another armies. 410 00:21:21,100 --> 00:21:25,800 I'm always a plan that nor and and I'd be the best but they 411 00:21:25,808 --> 00:21:27,200 always have some tricks up their sleeve there. 412 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,300 Always a lot of fun and it's just something about those 413 00:21:30,300 --> 00:21:31,900 little puppet doors in the field. 414 00:21:31,900 --> 00:21:35,700 They're really concerned that that's toss until George Shake 415 00:21:35,700 --> 00:21:37,900 was. I recently purchased I was 416 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,300 fortunate to purchase a like an army lot from the guy in France 417 00:21:41,300 --> 00:21:45,700 actually of Midway. They sort of interested me early 418 00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:47,400 on but not enough to buy any models. 419 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,800 Have bought any of them but now I love them. 420 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,600 I actually love them. Now, I think they're just, I 421 00:21:51,608 --> 00:21:54,100 like the Cyclops. I mean, the Cyclops is just the 422 00:21:54,700 --> 00:21:56,700 most iconic model they've ever made. 423 00:21:56,700 --> 00:21:59,100 I think of all the big beasties they made. 424 00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:00,900 I think that's just a great looking model but they're 425 00:22:00,908 --> 00:22:03,100 beautifully painted too. And that's another thing about 426 00:22:03,100 --> 00:22:07,500 confrontation, you may not like the game, check out the art, 427 00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:09,100 check out the paint jobs on those Miniatures. 428 00:22:09,100 --> 00:22:12,200 Because and the sculpting itself, the designed the 429 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:17,300 everything that about that company propelled in everybody, 430 00:22:17,500 --> 00:22:22,200 So far higher up in terms of quality that it just blew 431 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,700 everybody away. And that's, that's the thing 432 00:22:24,700 --> 00:22:27,100 about Rackham that. I love the most, it just, it 433 00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:30,700 just it just spun everything on its head, because for 434 00:22:30,700 --> 00:22:34,500 generations and for years now even now you still seeing the 435 00:22:34,500 --> 00:22:36,900 repercussions of that Mike, you know, in the industry. 436 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,900 People are still trying to reach that level. 437 00:22:40,500 --> 00:22:44,200 I've never run into a high-end professional painter. 438 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,400 That is not familiar with confrontation. 439 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,200 In start with competition. And I think it's really 440 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,800 important for for many people that maybe came to the game late 441 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,800 to understand that while Rackham, horrible business sense 442 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,000 in poorly run company in somebody different ways. 443 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,400 And there's so many stories about that but the artwork is 444 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,100 amazing and the stuff that was produced is really Talent 445 00:23:06,100 --> 00:23:08,400 boundary. And also the time again was 446 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,700 attracting some super high level painters. 447 00:23:10,700 --> 00:23:14,800 So the hobby aspect of Confrontation was always and its 448 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,300 continued to continue continue to kind of be high. 449 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,200 Which is one of the other things that can be intimidating for 450 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,900 newer players, but it also is an exciting time because you get to 451 00:23:23,900 --> 00:23:26,600 see some beautiful models and beautiful paint jobs. 452 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,100 And most of the paint jobs, if you will find the internet of 453 00:23:29,108 --> 00:23:31,500 the look of these models will say, oh, that's what that 454 00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:34,200 amazing. But mostly paint jobs on these 455 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,800 models are 20 years old. You're seeing models that are 456 00:23:37,300 --> 00:23:45,600 models of my collection and old enough to drink and so it's like 457 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,800 one of those things. I'm at the Hobby and stuff like 458 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,100 that. And when I, when I work with 459 00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:54,200 groups, when I try and create Community, when I host events, 460 00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:57,400 it's a dead game. And part of the goal here is the 461 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,500 celebration of the whole part of the game. 462 00:23:59,500 --> 00:24:01,600 It's a whole, it's a celebration of the game itself, to 463 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,200 Celebration of the model, celebration of the painting, The 464 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,900 Hobby aspects, celebration of the narrative or the lower, the 465 00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:08,600 experience that is confrontation. 466 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,600 And I think that for people that really really love this game, 467 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,600 what really ends up happening is it's really captured this 468 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,400 magical feel of the narrative experience. 469 00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:20,100 Variants those double sixes that going, instantly, kill something 470 00:24:20,100 --> 00:24:22,500 like this, Nick, with that moment where your big fight my 471 00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:27,500 well, I know, but you might be like a lot of ones and then he 472 00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:29,900 just likes to die and some horrific lie, embarrassing, 473 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:33,400 fashion and well that's possible a lot of other games. 474 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,300 It doesn't seem to have the same feel the same swing. 475 00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:39,000 That a confrontation game seems to have and that's one of the 476 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:43,100 reasons, kept me coming back, my play, confrontation every week 477 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,700 for over 20 years. Like I said, well that's, um, 478 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,100 I've always said, I've been lucky to have a group and when I 479 00:24:50,108 --> 00:24:52,200 don't have a group, I'm I've been lucky to have friends or 480 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,400 people a family that I'll have a game setup will play. 481 00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:58,200 Unless I'm always a game that up in my house right now, there's a 482 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,300 table set up with models on it, that's just how it is. 483 00:25:00,300 --> 00:25:05,400 And so, it's the one thing, it makes me sound like an insane 484 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,400 crazy person that I'm hanging onto a game that's been dead 485 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,500 for. Yeah, but it's a lot of fun and 486 00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:16,100 it's been really enjoyable. And one of the things that is 487 00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:18,300 interesting about the confrontation Unity as a whole 488 00:25:18,300 --> 00:25:23,000 is that because we're small in the niche Anish Anish, we end up 489 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,800 in a spot where for many people, it's harder to find games, 490 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,600 harder to find players and so the stuff that you're producing 491 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,600 the stuff, the Germans produced and stuff, but others are 492 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,800 building is helpful for people to find and engage in the world 493 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,700 when they may not be able to engage in a game. 494 00:25:37,300 --> 00:25:39,400 It's also why seeing beautifully painted? 495 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,300 Competition models is really important because you end up 496 00:25:41,300 --> 00:25:46,600 getting a spot for that as well. So it's been, it's been really 497 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,800 enjoyable. In trying to keep the community 498 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,700 live and continue to grow the community at least in my local 499 00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:54,700 area as well. That's wonderful. 500 00:25:54,700 --> 00:25:58,000 Josh now you've been responsible for holding events at Gen. 501 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,400 Con, is that correct? I have not. 502 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,300 So I do. I do not hold events to check on 503 00:26:04,500 --> 00:26:05,900 though. I know there's been a number of 504 00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:07,300 instances in Congress has been great. 505 00:26:07,300 --> 00:26:09,600 I actually host an annual event called the computation World 506 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,500 Invitational. That's been going on for several 507 00:26:13,500 --> 00:26:20,000 years now, least 67. I lost track, but the idea here 508 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,400 is, it's been a celebration of the confrontation Community. 509 00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:26,400 We can people together is three-round event with Legacy 510 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,100 rules. We give away ridiculous prizes 511 00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:32,700 and we just have it be like, a fun little tongue-in-cheek thing 512 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,100 that's been it's really enjoyable. 513 00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:37,400 But I posted number events over the years ago, across the east 514 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,200 coast, and this has become sort of my annual thing that I do and 515 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,600 we actually do people come and travel last year, a couple from 516 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,900 one, from France, a couple from the West Coast. 517 00:26:47,700 --> 00:26:51,600 If the game going but it really is about that celebration really 518 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,900 is about hosting this event and having those games and you know, 519 00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:59,500 there are many events out there that are, you know, function as 520 00:26:59,500 --> 00:27:02,500 hard as you possibly can. And certainly you may see some 521 00:27:02,500 --> 00:27:05,000 of that in some computation events but CBI has always been 522 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,200 sort of that celebration with a hobby with some ridiculous 523 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,200 scenarios that everybody leaves for mad at me and they leave 524 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,600 their opponent, really? What I think it's all about. 525 00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:19,700 I think one interesting thing is that it's worth highlighting for 526 00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:23,400 the community is there are games at Gen Con, I'm near Nova open, 527 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,300 which is actually happening this weekend and usually I'm a time 528 00:27:27,300 --> 00:27:28,600 will be there this year unfortunately. 529 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,300 But usually a man of open running demo games or hosting 530 00:27:32,300 --> 00:27:36,200 confrontation things like that. And I think that those are the 531 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,000 things that were people that maybe are as local gives them an 532 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,800 opportunity or reason to come to some of these events. 533 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,700 But they're going to play Warhammer 40,000 or some of 534 00:27:43,708 --> 00:27:45,800 their game. But then you know, the night 535 00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:47,300 sets in and you're like, oh my gosh. 536 00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:50,200 So confrontation and some I think that's part of the 537 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,000 community. What's really important is to 538 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,000 keep it alive and keep people engaged in playing. 539 00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:57,000 Absolutely my destiny thing have fun. 540 00:27:57,100 --> 00:27:59,100 You know, the main line don't take it too seriously. 541 00:27:59,100 --> 00:28:03,100 It's not supposed to be but yet went liking it like for like 542 00:28:03,700 --> 00:28:07,600 second edition confrontation. I can see why the people in 543 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,200 people enjoy that because a lot of narrative to it as a lot of 544 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,200 story they're like these make these certain packs. 545 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,300 We could have like Adventures or your characters. 546 00:28:15,300 --> 00:28:17,300 You could develop them and that way. 547 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,400 And then C 3 went to more of a competitive sort of angle, but I 548 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,200 appreciate all of the different kinds of iterations that 549 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,600 computation have gone through and I think you can sort of end 550 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,200 with your rule set Legacy. I'm interested in that as well 551 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,000 because I didn't really tickly like 3.5 so much. 552 00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:38,100 So everyone has, you know, everyone has their own 553 00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:40,900 contributions to share and develop and that kind of thing. 554 00:28:40,900 --> 00:28:44,300 And we can take from that, like you said, you've played every 555 00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:46,900 single iteration of every single bearing of that computation has 556 00:28:46,900 --> 00:28:48,700 been And you've enjoyed all of them. 557 00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:50,000 And I think that's a good place to be. 558 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,300 And I think that's where we really need to be it. 559 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,000 Because at the end of the day, we want to play our game. 560 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,600 We want to use our Miniatures that we painted and a proud of 561 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,800 and put them on the table and actually roll some dice and have 562 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,400 some fun, and, you know, have some fun with their friends. 563 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,200 And that's the main goal. So, whatever it might be as long 564 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,700 as you can get your Minis on the table. 565 00:29:09,500 --> 00:29:11,700 That's, that's the job done made. 566 00:29:11,700 --> 00:29:14,100 I think really, you know, so you just go have fun. 567 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,200 I agree with that. I think it's one of the things 568 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,700 that is useful in this part. Social talk about because I know 569 00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:23,500 Legacy as a rule set, seems very fan-made, whatever this kind of 570 00:29:23,508 --> 00:29:25,300 thing. And I want to be cleared. 571 00:29:25,300 --> 00:29:28,100 And what he was listening that it's not my rule set. 572 00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:33,800 I don't sit around in a basement like that many things that is 573 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,800 happening with Legacy over the years, as we actually have a 574 00:29:35,808 --> 00:29:38,800 number of people that have played for a long time, that are 575 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:42,700 part of a committee and every year after see wi will engage as 576 00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:46,000 a committee will review the real set for the year and say other 577 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,400 things that we need to look at her chest. 578 00:29:47,500 --> 00:29:50,900 Change or shift and we vote on it and move forward with that. 579 00:29:50,900 --> 00:29:53,200 Usually there's a play test period for it as well. 580 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,300 We play test it and see. Hey, this is what we thought is 581 00:29:55,300 --> 00:29:57,300 it actually work out or things like that. 582 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,800 And that's where we've seen some of those shifts and changes. 583 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,800 But philosophically as a rule set, legacies core principle is 584 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,700 to be the minimum disruption possible. 585 00:30:05,700 --> 00:30:08,800 So you'll notice like, if you look at the Legacy rules up, 586 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,400 that we haven't added additional bands or updates to profiles, 587 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,700 we've kept with the gdr as cap because we didn't see or nor do 588 00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:18,300 we want to restrict players from Singing playing things. 589 00:30:18,300 --> 00:30:21,100 They want to play. We've Incorporated a couple of 590 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,000 minor updates that own shout out to confetti. 591 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,700 One of the things that confetti put in place. 592 00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:28,500 Was a death of the summer mechanic, where it can kill the 593 00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:31,400 Summoner, the summons themselves collapse and die, which is 594 00:30:31,700 --> 00:30:33,700 doesn't affect Elemental summoning. 595 00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:36,800 But it affects things like, so when anime or it's never a or 596 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,700 Angels, which can be really beneficial to get rid of the 597 00:30:39,708 --> 00:30:42,800 spam on the field, you just have to go and kill that and overall 598 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,600 Caster. So those are rule sets that 599 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,600 we've taken and looked at from some of the others out there. 600 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,800 We've said, hey those our does make a lot of sense. 601 00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:52,600 They work really well. And ultimately Legacy is a rule 602 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,200 set is designed to kind of keep players making interesting 603 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,200 choices. And the goal here is our 604 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,600 Warriors as good as mistakes are, you know, cheap profiles, 605 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,000 as good as powerful and strong profiles, and vice versa. 606 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,700 And that may not please everybody. 607 00:31:05,700 --> 00:31:08,400 And other people may disagree or have different mindsets to have, 608 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,700 but the rule sets been fairly effective. 609 00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:14,400 It's kept a similar Vibe and field of people that play 3.0 610 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,500 and I think that it ends up in a spot where You want to play 611 00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:20,300 confrontation? You want to have a variety of 612 00:31:20,300 --> 00:31:23,900 profiles. It's probably my opinion on 613 00:31:23,900 --> 00:31:25,600 this, which is why I'm on your right. 614 00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:28,800 The best will have their for that. 615 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:34,400 So yeah, now I'll I'll let Legacy in that. 616 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,900 It doesn't detract Too Much from the original game because I love 617 00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:39,800 my books. You know, I love just looking 618 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,500 through the 3.0 book and I've just what I've done is just 619 00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:47,300 taken your, your spell and Magic. 620 00:31:47,500 --> 00:31:50,800 Component from your little set and incorporating 3.0. 621 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,800 So, I'm not actually playing a legacy rules, which will 622 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,300 probably get to it at some point. 623 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,100 I mean probably get to that at some point, but I'm just taking 624 00:31:58,100 --> 00:32:04,200 that that, you know, you having to pay the AP / likes per spell 625 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,400 instead of doing that. Just taking the the cost of the 626 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,700 spellcaster and you get that that many AP points, free of 627 00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:15,300 spells. So, yeah, I really like that 628 00:32:15,300 --> 00:32:17,300 idea about it. It's the unique. 629 00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:20,400 It's unique situation, it's pretty pretty beneficial. 630 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,500 So originally one of the rules was talking about. 631 00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:28,200 We bounced around around was like, if you are ranked 1 Mystic 632 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,900 you get one intensity ones Bell for free. 633 00:32:29,900 --> 00:32:33,200 If your ring to missing good one intensity to spell for that kind 634 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,900 of thing. And it really works out and it 635 00:32:34,900 --> 00:32:38,900 doesn't break well with the number of the paths that 636 00:32:38,900 --> 00:32:43,100 individual Mages have. And so this actual mindset is 637 00:32:43,100 --> 00:32:45,600 actually pretty added than the Legacy rule set is actually 638 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,300 fairly elegant. Because what it means is that 639 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,400 That Goblin majors are incredibly cheap but it also 640 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,600 limits, the amount of free spells that they have whereas a 641 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,500 wolf and Majors incredibly expensive, and many players are 642 00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:59,100 like hesitant to bring Eric sort of bring over some of these 643 00:32:59,100 --> 00:33:01,600 other Mages out there. But because you have such a huge 644 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,400 repertoire free spells, you don't really have to worry about 645 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,400 any added additional cost to that mission. 646 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,200 So it ends up being fairly elegant and allowing those kind 647 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,800 of characters and different armies to have some benefit, but 648 00:33:12,900 --> 00:33:17,000 also relative balance to it. So it's worked out fairly well. 649 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,600 Happy with the miracle Acquisitions as well, which 3.5 650 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,000 Miracle acquisition is taking essentially, the magic system 651 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,500 and bolted onto the faith system with the face system that was 652 00:33:27,500 --> 00:33:30,100 never really designed for that. And so it doesn't work, 653 00:33:30,100 --> 00:33:32,500 particularly well. I'm going five in my opinion, 654 00:33:32,500 --> 00:33:36,100 but the idea of Miracle acquisition being tied to an 655 00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:39,400 individual faithfuls Rank, and that's a modifying. 656 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,600 How many miracles they can take? I think is is somewhat 657 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,500 beneficial and actually works out fairly well. 658 00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:46,700 So we've been happy with those changes. 659 00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:48,700 They've worked Worked for the well. 660 00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:53,000 And then many other Legacy changes are leaving things 661 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,500 fairly simple, or trying to streamline rules or get things 662 00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:57,600 in a way that are beneficial and common one. 663 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,000 That's complaint for newer players is Bullseye without 664 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,400 bullseye on 3.0. Many shooters aren't necessarily 665 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:08,699 in that effective with Bullseye in 3.5 some of those Shooters 666 00:34:08,699 --> 00:34:11,800 can be insanely effective. And so, putting an upper bound 667 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,300 to it or things like that allows the shooters to still be 668 00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:17,699 somewhat effective. But not the totally crippling A 669 00:34:17,707 --> 00:34:18,900 lot of players that are out there. 670 00:34:20,300 --> 00:34:22,100 Am I nothing? Not even the right, right? 671 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,199 Cause they're you and you and the other guys, they're forming 672 00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:27,699 these rules. So it's great to see that people 673 00:34:27,699 --> 00:34:30,600 are still active in the community, playing the game, and 674 00:34:30,699 --> 00:34:33,699 try to change it to the benefit of the players and bring 675 00:34:33,699 --> 00:34:36,600 something new, and that's what it's all about. 676 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,600 So, Josh, I want to really thank you, mate, for coming on and 677 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:41,100 spend the time to talk with me today. 678 00:34:41,100 --> 00:34:43,900 And I hope all. This is really appreciate your 679 00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:47,300 insights into confrontation and what you're trying to do. 680 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,100 You there with the Legacy rule set. 681 00:34:49,699 --> 00:34:51,400 I'll leave links in the show notes. 682 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,000 Of course, the people that go to the Discord group and maybe an 683 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,200 external link if I can, to the Legacy rule set. 684 00:34:58,300 --> 00:35:01,200 So it's not very long as just a word document, people can just 685 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,200 go through it really quickly and it has bolted onto their 3.0 686 00:35:04,500 --> 00:35:07,300 will set. And then away they go, let us 687 00:35:07,300 --> 00:35:11,800 leave the languid land of our Clash for but the shortest time. 688 00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:16,500 Join us again, when the a will be read with Cannon shot and 689 00:35:16,500 --> 00:35:21,900 Carnage Don't forget to my friends for they is always 690 00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:35,500 confrontation. Voiceover by Owen Staton. 691 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:41,200 You can find me on the time between times podcast or Specter 692 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,200 of the see if you want to contact me or in statement at 693 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:45,700 aol.com.