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Hello everybody again and thank 
you very much for telling this 

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episode. 
This is Josh your host at the 

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crown of command podcast and 
again it's my pleasure to 

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welcome another guest. 
It's taken their precious time 

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to come and speak to me that of 
course is Mustafa bachir and 

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he's located in Mia prefecture 
Japan. 

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I hope I pronounced your name 
correctly there most of our if I

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haven't you can you can show me 
next time mate. 

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So he's come a long because I 
have known him for what I've 

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never actually spoken to him in 
person. 

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I've never met him physically in
person, but, you know, we've 

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communicated and correspond to 
through Messenger and Facebook 

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for a number of years because he
lives in Japan. 

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And I seen I've seen his artwork
on Facebook many times, And 

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we've done a few trades and 
Miniatures and that kind of 

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thing over time and I thought, 
well have it. 

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We dragged onto the show and so 
he can talk about his passions 

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of for the 80s. 
In the case workshop, and 

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current stuff they want to talk 
about, and here's illustration 

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work and how he got into that 
how we fell into that? 

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So, yeah, it's been a really 
interesting. 

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Listen, and we talked for about 
three hours was a massive, 

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massive conversation that I had 
to edit down and the video. 

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Unfortunately, during the 
editing, as we had several 

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disconnections due to my poor, 
very poor Wi-Fi using a very old

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tablet. 
That's I think it's on its last 

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legs that I tried at mishmash 
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It then I couldn't download it 
and upload it to YouTube and 

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just didn't recognize the 
recording format, the file type,

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or whatever, and I just, just 
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So what I had to do is just edit
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as I could without taking would 
just taking all the stuff that 

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was irrelevant maybe or, you 
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you know, that's now a relevant.
And all the only maneuvering and

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clicking and that kind of thing 
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So I've sort of tried to clean 
it up as best I can, but it's 

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in, it's in now in a thousand 
different fragments of audio 

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clips that I've uploaded. 
So I hope everything will be 

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okay. 
It's just taken me ages and ages

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and ages to do to get it edited.
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release it and hopefully I'm not
done mr. 

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For a disservice in this 
recording. 

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If that's the case, well, we'll 
bring it back on because he's 

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really Keen to come back and 
talk, some more stuff with me 

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and with, to share it with you 
guys. 

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So that's really cool. 
But he's a great guy. 

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I hope to play the bit of blood 
bowl with him in the future. 

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And I will talk more about that 
at the end of our interview. 

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So until then guys enjoyed, 
listen sit back, grab a beverage

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of choice. 
And enjoy our chat today. 

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I'll see you in the other side. 
He re-entered the chronicling 

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podcast. 
I'm here joined by Mustafar from

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now, which part of it would part
of Japan. 

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Are you from it? 
Me a prefecture, so Central, 

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Japan, okay, me a perfect joke. 
I've never been shit into your 

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neck of the woods as yet, but 
one day we'll have to go down. 

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I have to come down at some 
point and so we can we can play 

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some old Hammer but thank you 
very much again. 

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Extend my thanks on and sharing 
sharing the wine and your 

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stories of old hammer. 
And Anything else you want to 

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tell us? 
But most of our you got, you go 

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straight into my you start 
talking about how you got into 

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the hobby. 
So it's a pretty familiar story 

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all started with heroquest which
is, I think the the gateway drug

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for most of the people our age 
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So what year was he requests 88?
89. 

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It must have been 89 mate, I 
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Yeah would have been 89 over 
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Our Quest as a Christmas present
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Miniatures and then you spent 
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Yeah yeah. 
So do you remember wh Smiths? 

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Yes. 
Yes. 

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So when I was, I guess, 11 years
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I was in wh Smiths looking 
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and I came across this, let me 
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It was the very first white 
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And I managed to find a picture 
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So, here we go. 
So issue, 122 I think February 

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1990, let me check the date on 
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I've got it here. 
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Deathwing Terminator painted by 
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That was the very first one I 
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And yeah, it was just game over 
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Sinker and a space Hulk rules 
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It had had an interview with 
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and they showed him around the 
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you know of Queens into it it's 
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just after that every month, 
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deep down that rabbit hole and 
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My what a, what a great way to 
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You know, through here, request 
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say, from a generation and then,
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yeah, grab that white dwarf. 
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painting guide and the catalog 
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Line & Sinker. 
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And then I was, you know, I grew
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London. 
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had a GW store about 35 minutes 
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Circus one. 
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pick up Miniatures was you know,
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anything. 
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when they'd have like the Grand 
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those coupons in the magazine, 
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free or buy space, Hulk get 
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thing. 
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that. 
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of those old Miniatures lifting 
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resource. 
That's another very common 

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story. 
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What happened to half of them. 
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out or I'd like Chuck them 
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paint jobs. 
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having a GW store so close but I
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actually do much game Aiming, it
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Miniatures, reading the 
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But in terms of actual gaming, 
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space Hulk. 
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played never played any 40K or 
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It was just yeah the board game 
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Really it was popular in my 
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I don't think anyone had any 
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Yeah, well that's funny. 
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Now I've played more games now, 
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had when I was playing the 90s, 
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often like to have their whinge 
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I mean, even back then and this 
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age at the time being, you know,
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no money. 
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So no one my age had a full Army
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were working and pocket money 
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were lucky. 
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ball games and stuff that we all
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we were all working and we've 
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income, I'm playing a lot more 
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with our knees and a couple of 
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as a teenager. 
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I think I think so. 
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time I spent just buying the 
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and then painting - it's a long 
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to paint them all because I want
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start playing and then trying to
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them. 
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Absolutely. 
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Which, which paints did you 
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So initially the he requests it 
might want yourself. 

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That was the first thing I got 
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used the humbrol paints. 
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Yeah humbrol. 
Enamel stinky. 

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Thick glossy miniature 
destroying paints but that that 

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was that was all we had in town 
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And when you've got very little 
pocket money, your choices, your

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Miniatures or paint, it's like 
get more Miniatures. 

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So you weren't for the cheaper 
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But yeah, thinker a lot of 
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sacrificial humbrol, alter back 
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Well, they died in white plastic
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I think my Barbarian died in the
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it melted of course, so God, 
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better. 
Make we And no, there was no, 

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there was no social media was an
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There was no school to go to, 
especially in Australia, where I

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was. 
Yeah, there's no one to talk 

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about these kind of things, you 
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I was lucky in that the were 
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year at school who were 
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So I had someone to at least 
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know, chat about painting and 
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pre-internet, it was all trial 
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You couldn't really log onto 
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And you know, tap the hive mind,
And you know benefit from all 

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this Collective knowledge, it 
was just you know figure it out 

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yourself and lose a few minutes 
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So what game do you do? 
You still remember as being the 

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most fondest memory of what you 
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You said you clicked a lot of 
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space. 
Hold that sort of really catches

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your Nostalgia heart when you 
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Remember, Nostalgia, point of 
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you know, it was a goofy 
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brilliant in its own way the 
Miniatures were wonderful, you 

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know, the familiar or gray and I
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The heroquest zombies are some 
of my favorite zombies of all 

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time. 
I think they're brilliant. 

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So not from a Nostalgia, point 
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very much heroquest in terms of 
enjoyment. 

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I don't know probably space Hulk
because I mean even today it 

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stands on its own merits as a 
really well-written game and 

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even with the newer addition 
they've not really changed that 

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much. 
I think it was a fantastic game.

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But old later on, I did get 
heavily into blood Bowl. 

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So that would have been when I 
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And that was the, it's the 
second edition. 

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One day, the one that came with 
the Astro Granite pitch in the 

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second edition. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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And how'd, you know, there was 
that thick block a gray styrene.

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I love that. 
Absolutely love that. 

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I mean, that's changed a lot, 
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And the, you know, as you know, 
I do a bit of illustration work 

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and the illustrations in those 
two. 

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Books were pretty kind of style 
defining for me, you know, 

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Peter, liftin did all the 
black-and-white illustrations. 

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Yah, yah even now it's a 
reference that I go to heavily 

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because, you know, he really 
captures that old Hammer Vibe. 

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I think Yeah, I think those 80s 
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drawings. 
It kind of defined an entire era

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of that part of g.w. 
History did it because oh yeah, 

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they're very much changed from 
proving 1990 onwards. 

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Yeah, absolutely. 
What a respect. 

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And I don't know what happened 
to one of those artists because 

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it seemed like they had an awful
lot of people working for them 

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and maybe freelance artists and 
then all the sudden they just 

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disappeared, you know, overnight
they're gone and then they've 

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got it recycle with a new bunch.
Of people coming in and it's 

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it's been like that. 
Well, I mean, you know, the new 

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relatively new guys, obviously 
really, really talented artist 

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great at what they do. 
But there was a big departure in

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style at that point. 
And yeah, a lot of those guys, 

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they kind of yeah, but they 
dropped off the GW map as it 

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were. 
I mean, you think about who they

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had drawing back in the day at 
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all Bonner, doing basically, 
every awk and Goblin picture 

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going, Jess. 
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pretty much Define the Elder. 
He build them up from the ground

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up. 
Carl, critchlow did Dark future.

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And the hills reach in the road 
Trader book. 

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But yeah, I mean apart from 
Jason the others kind of. 

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Yeah. 
Then I fell out of fashion. 

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I guess they wanted a different 
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I don't know what happened. 
Yeah I don't know who made that 

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choice a but it's quite 
interesting. 

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retrospective looked at that and

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thought well when did they 
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This kind of board meeting and 
say okay guys, that's it. 

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We're going to just chop This 
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particular time and then we're 
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new artists that we picked up 
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And we're going to just change 
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So I mean I I'd imagine it was 
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the company and the hobby more 
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artwork the black and white 
stuff. 

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It was you know heavily 
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A lot of the pictures from Rogue
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slow ones could quite easily 
fit. 

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To adjudge dread or strontium 
dog story seamlessly. 

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So there was that very kind of 
uh, no underground. 

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Nerdy vibe to g.w. back in the 
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style they wanted to make it 
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color work and a lot more 
vibrant work as well. 

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I mean like John Blanche did a 
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still very gritty and he had 
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So yeah, I mean I guess it was 
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decision. 
I do marketing and trying to get

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to Mass Appeal level, I reckon. 
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answer was still in command as 
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out and that transfer transition
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stepped on the thought, well we 
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make it more. 
More more of a broader appealing

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product to younger kids and they
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don't know. 
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changeover in the company 
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and that kind of thing and 
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product after yeah, that's fair 
enough. 

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I mean, they're a company, 
they're in the business of 

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making money and they want to 
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you know, Fair pay to them. 
But It's yeah, it was definitely

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a big difference to the GW style
that I first experienced when I 

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got into the hobby. 
So you know, it's not to say 

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one's better than the other. 
It's just kind of What you 

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connect with those happy 
memories in the back of your 

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brain. 
So it always feels familiar. 

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It makes you happy. 
I it's got that warm Nostalgia 

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but you know I'm sure if someone
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years from now, they've might be
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clock Pinsky artwork and how 
defining it was for them. 

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So yeah, it's a lot better or 
worse. 

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It's just a different direction.
Really? 

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about saying like, you know if I
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now of a much younger 
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the drawstrings like in terms of
nostalgia, in terms of memory in

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terms of, you know, affection 
towards certain things they 

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might look at something and 
like, a bit of artwork or a game

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cover. 
Something, think I do this 

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pretty good, but it seems really
outdated compared to what you 

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can get. 
Now, it's all very much Digital 

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Arts, very much, you know, 
worked on working on the 

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sensations of that, kind of A 
particular genre, they're 

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looking at the minute. 
She's obviously look really 

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outdated now compared to what 
you can get these days always. 

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But it's a very Niche Niche 
hobby within a very small niche 

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of group of people, you know to 
me. 

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Absolutely absolutely. 
It is a niche within a niche and

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I think even like John Blanche 
was commenting on this on one of

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the old Hammer groups on 
Facebook, you know, he was 

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saying, you know, the plastic 
kits are coming out now. 

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I just you know, leagues ahead 
of what we had back in the 80s. 

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So you know, if you're going to 
be as objective as possible 

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about it, you can't honestly say
I love old Hammer Miniatures 

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because they are better because 
They're not but like you said 

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it's that Nostalgia thing and it
draws you to that point of in 

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your youth where you first got 
into the Hobby and to us they 

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have that kind of I know that 
charm and the individuality and 

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the slightly rough or wonky 
lines. 

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Add to that whereas what you've 
got coming out now it's you know

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so well designed and put 
together it Looks like a 

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wonderful finished product, but 
for us, it doesn't have that 

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child, I guess. 
You very much. 

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So I mean I put I put together 
those drastic plastic Walks from

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wherever they're brilliant. 
They're absolutely fantastic. 

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It's they still come with all 
the you know all the all the 

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governs all that you know little
grenades little backpacks side 

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packs or weapon attachments and 
you know different heads and 

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very very variant heads and that
kind of thing and I thought 

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they'll just a joy to put 
together. 

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Yeah. 
So so, you know, even those 

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Miniatures there from what 80 8.
87, 88, or something like that. 

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I don't know exactly. 
Other can't pinpoint the time 

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when they were first released. 
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and I'll end the squats and all 
that kind of the Imperial Guard.

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I mean, there's still great kits
for their age, you know what I 

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mean? 
Yeah. 

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The the beaky's the plastic beak
is especially the shoulder 

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joints had that kind of ball and
socket thing, so you could 

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maneuver them so well and 
articulate them to literally any

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position. 
Wanted. 

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I mean, I remember after that 
they had the was it that Space 

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Marine, Strike Force Jazz, 
Goodwin did, it was the ones 

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with a metal bodies in the 
plastic arms. 

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It was the yeah. 
First time to have a Mach 7 

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armor. 
Yep. 

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I mean, wonderful sculpt and I 
love them. 

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I've painted up a squad of them 
myself but they had like flat 

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torso parts that the arms stuck 
onto like that. 

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And, you know, even though both 
of these would be considered old

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Hammer, the you know, are T Bo 
ones plastic, be keys because of

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that. 
Join to me are the superior kit 

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because you could just do any 
position you wanted with them. 

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But are they better sculpt? 
I mean that would be a hard 

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argument to make. 
I reckon it's if you want, if 

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you like metal more than plastic
which is, you know, it's I mean 

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I simply have a one last Metals 
better, but I haven't paid, you 

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know, paint a more plastic in 
the last few months, few months 

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and I haven't had done in my 
entire life. 

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Because, you know, there is 
something about the all Plastics

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that I really find that have 
still a lot of charm to them, 

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you know. 
And then it's, yeah, that's 

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still good. 
I mean, the still wonderful 

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miniatures. 
Um, more sore on your Twitter. 

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I think it was this morning or 
the other day. 

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You get a line of high elf 
infantry. 

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The monopole is plastic that 
you'll be working with them at 

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the moment. 
Yeah, we got him right in front 

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of you Matt. 
So yeah, just putting together 

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that's one. 
I just put a shield and exclude 

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a few on just before we started 
recording. 

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So yeah, I'm going back to my 
roots made. 

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This is where it all started for
me, fourth edition box, set of 

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integers, right there. 
Gorgeous their beautiful 

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beautiful. 
Yeah honestly. 

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Yeah, I mean I'm not I'm not 
saying that I'm not saying 

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because, you know, I'm a fan of 
this particular error. 

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I'm saying, but they're good, 
because they're still good. 

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There's nothing wrong with them.
Yeah, yeah. 

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No, I mean, especially when 
you're playing, you know why I'm

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a fantasy about what you want to
rank that up block of, you know,

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infantry that's the way to go. 
I mean They line up nicely. 

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Got that nice uniform look and 
the decent school. 

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So I think they've aged pretty 
well to be honest. 

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Yeah, I think, I think, Joe's 
did a wonderful work, you know, 

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a lot of that stuff. 
Anything at Jess did, you know, 

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he really thought about, you 
know, and as far as they have to

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work within certain perimeters 
when then within making 

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Miniatures, I don't know much 
about that particular aspect of 

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the industry but obviously 
they're going to work with them 

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as sort of conformed style so 
that the easy to mold and that 

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kind of thing. 
But you know, they rank up 

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nicely as you say they've got 
minimal detail, which is it 

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even? 
Better. 

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Because a lot of the modern 
Plastics is so overly detailed 

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that it just takes for an age to
paint them and I can, I can 

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shoot through three these in an 
evening. 

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You know, mean, like, you know, 
it's just, I've been thinking 

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about that and I wonder how much
of that is connected with age 

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because, you know, as I said, 
you know, the new Plastics are 

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technically Superior in every 
way but there's so much detail. 

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Rammed into them. 
And I've got a few of them and I

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just, I look at them and I don't
know where to start painting 

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them. 
Whereas you look at the old 

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plastic stuff and you just think
right yet, I know exactly what 

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to do with this, the de. 
And yeah, you can get a handful 

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of them done in an evening. 
Yeah, the the new stuff. 

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It it's very busy. 
Yeah. 

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Too much. 
Going on for my liking? 

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Yeah, I feel until I even I 
really appreciate it. 

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Co City Miniatures. 
I brought out recently for the 

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new board game, the skeletons 
and Undead look really 

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wonderful. 
The heroes look great. 

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Oh yeah, I mean as just says 
like an enclosed game, that's 

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that would probably be nice just
to paint up as a set but in 

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terms of actually gaming in the 
Modern Age against Workshop. 

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I mean, it's just not my cup of 
tea personally but I can see why

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it would look at The Minister's 
think. 

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Wow, these are really fantastic.
You know, why wouldn't anybody 

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love these methods? 
Because they really designed 

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really well and And you know 
credit to them because they're 

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doing great job out there. 
Oh yeah. 

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I mean they they look fantastic.
But like you said it's not my 

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cup of tea, really, I've got a 
load of the skaven from. 

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What was the last Warhammer 
fantasy? 

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Boxset, they did, was it her 
blood island or something like 

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that. 
So I wonder my office. 

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Island of Blood. 
That's it. 

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The Plastics cave. 
And from that I think I might 

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have some what, my painting draw
here. 

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They still have that kind of 
nice simple charm to them. 

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They're not overly busy, hold 
on, grab on there. 

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See if you can see it on the 
camera. 

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I mean there's not too much 
going on with those. 

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No fidgety details know you know
filigree on Armor to pick out 

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and as a box set that was a 
pretty good one you got you know

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you two armies and they still 
had that kind of simple 

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aesthetic that most the box sets
had but I think yeah that was 

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the last one that kind of really
followed that aesthetic and then

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things just got fancier and more
complicated, really Yeah, and 

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the good thing about the modern 
plastic is that they're designed

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so that they will rank up 
perfectly, you know, the mean 

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they won't have, you know, 
weapons and arms and that kind 

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of thing protruding for their 
base and that kind of stuff. 

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So, in that respect. 
Yeah. 

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They're always going in the high
altar. 

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That settled really nice. 
Actually. 

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Yeah, they really do if I wasn't
too fussy, I'll probably paint a

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lot of those High alternate new 
set, but again, I'm sort of 

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just, you know, just a stubborn 
old bastard. 

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I don't stain away for the dish 
and stuff you know, to me. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

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Absolutely. 
I mean and to be fair, the High 

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Elves from that, if you rank 
them up, alongside the High 

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Elves at your painting at the 
moment. 

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I mean, he looked like, you 
know, elementary school kids 

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standing. 
That's the university Lads. 

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They just yeah, the size 
difference? 

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Yes, yeah, quite noticeable. 
So yeah, you've got to go with 

448
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,900
one or the other mmm. 
It's like, well, I saw a photo 

449
00:27:45,900 --> 00:27:50,200
of the recent plastic sisters of
battle. 

450
00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:54,400
And it was a photo of one of 
them next to one of the Jess 

451
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:59,000
Goodwin metal ones. 
And you, you can't put them on 

452
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,000
the table together, it just 
looks absolutely ridiculous. 

453
00:28:02,700 --> 00:28:06,600
Both lovely models. 
But, you know, they each have 

454
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,300
their place and that place is 
not side by side. 

455
00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:10,100
Thanks. 
Yeah. 

456
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,500
Yeah, falsely scale has either 
crept up, I think over the years

457
00:28:14,500 --> 00:28:18,900
and maybe it's very beneficial 
for me because I'm going blind, 

458
00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:22,200
my old eggs. 
I need, I need my magnifying 

459
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,400
glasses now, every time I paint 
and look at things everything, 

460
00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:26,400
yeah, my I can't look at stuff 
in it. 

461
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,600
I need I need magnifying glasses
to see stuff because I just 

462
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,500
can't see that close anymore. 
So maybe the scale. 

463
00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:36,900
Creep is a good thing, you know,
like it's good they're getting 

464
00:28:36,900 --> 00:28:39,100
because I saw in the store they 
had like The Kill team 

465
00:28:39,100 --> 00:28:41,900
Miniatures and there but no 
glories and I kind of Yeah, they

466
00:28:41,900 --> 00:28:46,100
do. 
I mean a lot bigger and maybe 

467
00:28:46,100 --> 00:28:48,100
that's a good thing, you know. 
Maybe that's a nice thing for 

468
00:28:48,100 --> 00:28:51,000
people to paint. 
It makes things easier to paint 

469
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:56,600
for sure. 
Yeah, but I've got a, I've got a

470
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,400
load of plastic Space Marines. 
I still need to put together 

471
00:28:59,900 --> 00:29:03,800
and, you know, I've been looking
at pictures of the newer ones, 

472
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,200
the primary primaries. 
Mmm. 

473
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,800
And I mean, lovely kits, but 
Side by I side with a plastic 

474
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,100
Space Marine you just you can't 
put them on a table together. 

475
00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:17,400
Yeah. 
Yeah, yeah. 

476
00:29:17,900 --> 00:29:20,600
Different courses for different 
horses as they say. 

477
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:25,000
I mean I know what one man's 
meat is another man's poison. 

478
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,000
There you go. 
Yeah I've sought I just want to 

479
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,700
make the point that, you know, 
we're not going to we're not 

480
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:31,300
trying to pooh-pooh that the new
stuff, you know what I mean? 

481
00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:34,300
Like it's all, it's all going to
place in its is doing great 

482
00:29:34,300 --> 00:29:37,800
things with a hobby, General. 
It's getting people in playing 

483
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,800
war games and that's the main 
thing, you know? 

484
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,700
Someone made this analogy. 
They said you know the Hobby 

485
00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:49,200
World Is Not Like a pie by you 
know giving a slice to someone 

486
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,800
else. 
It doesn't mean that you get 

487
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,600
less. 
You know the space for the hobby

488
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,100
is unlimited. 
And if people like those 

489
00:29:56,100 --> 00:30:00,200
Miniatures and I like these 
Miniatures, we can happily 

490
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,300
coexist and everyone can get the
joy that they want from the 

491
00:30:03,308 --> 00:30:05,700
hobby. 
There's no need to start, you 

492
00:30:05,708 --> 00:30:08,800
know, kissing of your piercing 
levels plate, just because you 

493
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:15,400
disagree with a miniature think 
Anything that generates more 

494
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,900
interests gets more people 
playing. 

495
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,600
Is going to be a good thing, 
because more profits for the 

496
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,700
company or companies could not 
just GW, but more profits mean 

497
00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:29,400
better Miniatures, more rules, 
more books, more artwork. 

498
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,900
So I know and I want to see more
stuff out there. 

499
00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:37,700
So, you know, whatever gives you
happiness pushing little plastic

500
00:30:37,700 --> 00:30:41,500
men across the table have at it.
I say, yeah, that's it, man. 

501
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:48,500
So what are you playing out? 
Was to follow, Frost grave, I 

502
00:30:48,500 --> 00:30:52,700
really Oh, my make first grade 
is where it's at. 

503
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:58,800
I can't get enough of it. 
So, have you played Frost grave.

504
00:30:59,100 --> 00:31:02,800
Never played at me, but do you 
know anything about it? 

505
00:31:03,700 --> 00:31:06,300
It's a set of wizards flying as 
another set of winners Wizards 

506
00:31:06,300 --> 00:31:09,800
with their henchmen and they 
have like, sort of kind of AI 

507
00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:12,400
creatures, right? 
Roaming the land. 

508
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,100
And yeah, it's kind of like rap.
The shadow deepest isolate 

509
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:17,600
branches shattered it, because 
Owen play with a couple times. 

510
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,000
Hmm. 
That's by the same same Creator.

511
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,500
Apparently, same right, that's 
right. 

512
00:31:22,500 --> 00:31:24,700
Yeah. 
So me and it may have been 

513
00:31:24,700 --> 00:31:28,500
playing that, but instead of 
frost grave, I'm basically 

514
00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:33,500
reskinning it as Bolter grave 
and proxying with a 40K 

515
00:31:33,500 --> 00:31:37,200
Miniatures as a way of putting 
kind of Rogue Trader Star War 

516
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,700
band on the table. 
So I don't know. 

517
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,500
I'll show you a picture. 
Yeah, please do not. 

518
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:47,100
Yeah, give me a minute. 
Let's have a look. 

519
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,300
So you need a wizard and a 
henchman. 

520
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,000
Also know you need a wizard and 
an apprentice. 

521
00:31:58,900 --> 00:32:01,700
Mmm. 
So instead of wizards and 

522
00:32:01,700 --> 00:32:09,700
apprentices I've used psyche has
and Chaos cultists, don't you go

523
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:15,800
this Oh yeah, cool. 
Now look right, man. 

524
00:32:16,500 --> 00:32:18,900
Yeah, the, the Astra path is the
wizard. 

525
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:22,700
The Imperial seike is his 
apprentice. 

526
00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:25,000
And then the two guys on the 
left. 

527
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:30,700
The guy with the red face, is 
the chaos, completer. 

528
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,200
And then the guy with the kind 
of withered mutated linney's is 

529
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,300
Apprentice. 
So those are the leaders of our 

530
00:32:37,300 --> 00:32:44,700
warbands and we've been using 
the frost grave rules to get 

531
00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:46,500
them on the table. 
That's wonderful. 

532
00:32:46,500 --> 00:32:50,200
That's great. 
And let me see if I can find any

533
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:59,500
more. 
Might save these pictures I hope

534
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:05,000
we do. 
Right, share this with you up. 

535
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,200
Mmm. 
Feel like a proper old man doing

536
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,900
this Dora. 
I'm just as bad and I don't 

537
00:33:13,900 --> 00:33:15,600
worry about it. 
Yeah, we go. 

538
00:33:17,100 --> 00:33:21,700
So the Imperial priest with that
huge chainsaw. 

539
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:25,400
He counts as a barbarian. 
The guy next to him would be an 

540
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,800
Archer so he's got like an auto 
gun. 

541
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,900
So yeah we're just literally 
reskinning it to pay Rogue 

542
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:36,400
Trader because you know, we'd 
like to get a game done in a few

543
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,600
hours rather than six hours to 
load. 

544
00:33:38,700 --> 00:33:44,000
Rulebook frickin and we 
generally drink when we game and

545
00:33:44,500 --> 00:33:46,500
start playing a game of a rogue 
Trader, when you pissed, because

546
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:50,100
it's just not happening. 
Yeah, we got it. 

547
00:33:50,100 --> 00:33:51,800
We're going to play a game where
Traders I've never actually 

548
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,700
played the game. 
I think the been introduced to 

549
00:33:53,700 --> 00:33:59,100
it once, you know, very young by
inmates brother older brother. 

550
00:34:00,300 --> 00:34:03,000
And I just remember, just 
remember him swearing a lot 

551
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,100
during the game. 
I don't know why he was. 

552
00:34:04,108 --> 00:34:06,400
He was, he was in the Navy or 
something. 

553
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,800
And, yeah, he came out like just
really rough as guts, this guy, 

554
00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:13,300
and I'm like a fan and seeing 
all this kind of thing. 

555
00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:16,000
My parents were like in the 
living room, next, like next to 

556
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,900
us, that kind of thing, I 
thought about that but that's 

557
00:34:19,900 --> 00:34:21,500
all. 
That's the only memories I have 

558
00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:23,900
in him. 
Having his brother having the 

559
00:34:24,100 --> 00:34:26,000
the Elder Guardians that jazz 
sculpted. 

560
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,100
The same thing with the Marines,
you know, they have like just a 

561
00:34:28,699 --> 00:34:30,400
metal bodies and you stuck On 
the bus. 

562
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,300
I'm just that kind of thing and 
that we care. 

563
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,100
That's a really nice get man. 
Yeah, they're brilliant models. 

564
00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:41,900
Yeah, I I think a lot of the 
Jazz Elder stuff still holds up 

565
00:34:41,900 --> 00:34:46,000
very very nicely. 
But the man's a genius. 

566
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,800
He's a prodigy. 
Oh yeah, you know like anything 

567
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,300
he touches, it's like the look 
of the wood elves, Third 

568
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:54,699
Edition, what else? 
Make an absolutely beautiful 

569
00:34:54,699 --> 00:34:57,700
models and you can look at them 
today in modern paint jobs and 

570
00:34:57,700 --> 00:35:00,000
they look absolutely fantastic 
still you know they stand up 

571
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:01,800
against modern stuff. 
Easy. 

572
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,800
Well the you know the the old 
world Army challenge the guys in

573
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,600
North America. 
Do that six-month Army 

574
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:10,400
Challenger. 
You paint. 

575
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,900
You up an army for it. 
I think Spanish kale Zambia. 

576
00:35:14,100 --> 00:35:19,300
Yeah. 
So there's a guy from Spain 

577
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:23,300
whose Name Escapes me and he's 
doing an Elf Army, and it's all 

578
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,100
is good with Third Edition 
sculpts. 

579
00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:28,700
It's art. 
Amazing me, he's my good friend.

580
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:35,100
I know, I know the guy I'm 
talking about What's his name? 

581
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,300
I'm just trying to find it 
because there's there's there's 

582
00:35:39,300 --> 00:35:42,900
a handful of really really 
really good Spanish painters. 

583
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:48,000
And I'm awful with names and I 
can never remember who it's 

584
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:57,200
Marina, Marina, Santa Maria 
Maria Maria Sanchez, sorry yes I

585
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,100
think that's the guy who you 
know is going to pronounce that 

586
00:35:59,100 --> 00:36:03,000
incorrectly make as soon as you 
are fine but he's a lovely guy 

587
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,900
was committed in. 
Any times that that would offer 

588
00:36:04,900 --> 00:36:07,100
me he showed me before he 
released it. 

589
00:36:07,100 --> 00:36:09,800
And well, I thought I said about
this is the best after you've 

590
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,900
ever paid by his painted, some 
really good stuff and he's a 

591
00:36:11,908 --> 00:36:14,200
really great point. 
That boy, these wood elves just 

592
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:18,700
look absolutely magic. 
I think he didn't all call me 

593
00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:24,400
one year as well. 
Well, this is a fine grater. 

594
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,700
Yeah. 
Lux. 

595
00:36:29,700 --> 00:36:32,000
I might get people confused now 
because I mean, like I said 

596
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,200
there's a lot of good painters 
out there but that would have 

597
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,700
armies is spectacular. 
Yeah, but I mean the old world 

598
00:36:39,700 --> 00:36:43,300
Army challenge this year has got
some absolutely fantastic 

599
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:47,100
armies. 
They really ranked cranking out 

600
00:36:47,100 --> 00:36:48,500
this year. 
It's amazing. 

601
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,900
Well I need to go and check it 
out because I haven't had a look

602
00:36:50,900 --> 00:36:54,400
at the blog for a long time now.
Sadly, yeah, it's been way too 

603
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,000
busy with other stuff but I need
to go back and get out because 

604
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,000
but yeah. 
Blogs. 

605
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,300
I don't generally check so much,
but the old world Army challenge

606
00:37:01,300 --> 00:37:06,500
is a really good one. 
Yeah, I'm doing a Gilt biker 

607
00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:08,700
Army this year for it. 
I'll call me. 

608
00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:11,100
Excellent. 
Yeah, I'm not using the Rogue 

609
00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:13,700
Trader Miniatures though because
they're rarer than hen's teeth. 

610
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,100
I'm using stuff from ramshackle 
games. 

611
00:37:19,300 --> 00:37:21,300
Is it said bubbly, bubbly 
scopes. 

612
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:25,100
No, no. 
REM shackles is by a guy called 

613
00:37:25,100 --> 00:37:32,200
Curtis and he does these really 
chunky rough. 

614
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:37,600
Kind of post-apocalyptic raising
kids and he's got a great Army 

615
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:45,700
of squat, bikers and Bob Ali did
actually do one of the heads for

616
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:48,400
one of the kids, but they're 
really, really nice on. 

617
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,200
I might have one handy. 
Give me a second. 

618
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:56,800
All right. 
You might be able to see that 

619
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,600
but the lights a bit past. 
Yeah. 

620
00:38:00,900 --> 00:38:04,300
Okay but you get the idea. 
Hmm. 

621
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,100
Yeah I can just use of those 
hands, right? 

622
00:38:09,900 --> 00:38:12,600
But yeah, I'm doing that for the
old world Army challenge this 

623
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,200
year. 
Yeah, it's a great way to get an

624
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,700
army done because, you know, 
you've got all your peers doing 

625
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:22,300
it and it kind of motivates you 
and it's one unit a month for 

626
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:25,700
six months, and at the end, 
you've got, you know what one or

627
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:28,900
two thousand four paint it up. 
It's yeah, great idea. 

628
00:38:29,900 --> 00:38:31,200
It's funny. 
You say, because like, when I 

629
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,200
started that challenge, I do 
that Army for Jesse and then we 

630
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,500
wanted to our own. 
So the painting challenge for 

631
00:38:36,500 --> 00:38:39,800
one affairs. 
Man, it's just been and I'm now 

632
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,900
in the 40K challenge for 
secondary and I finished that 

633
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:47,300
Army in two months, the 
motivation levels are just so 

634
00:38:47,300 --> 00:38:49,100
high, you know. 
Because you know, you got a 

635
00:38:49,107 --> 00:38:52,000
Target and I just thought, okay,
that's it. 

636
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,200
And I'm doing this high off Army
as part of another challenge but

637
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,100
that's for the fanzine but the 
rate of ministers, you pumped 

638
00:38:58,100 --> 00:39:00,500
through that the concentration 
Focus you have is totally 

639
00:39:00,500 --> 00:39:03,100
changed in and it sort of just 
centering on this one thing and 

640
00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:05,400
then you to get, you know, you 
need to give you get it done and

641
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,400
complete each month, you've got,
you know. 

642
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,700
You know, you've got the sort 
of, you know, a time to 

643
00:39:12,700 --> 00:39:15,000
consider, you know, getting 
photos in and that kind of 

644
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,200
thing. 
So, it's the best thing for I 

645
00:39:16,207 --> 00:39:18,600
think, for us these challenges. 
Yeah. 

646
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,800
Well I'm going to assume that 
your pile of Shame is as 

647
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:29,300
shameful as my pile of Shame. 
And you know any anything that 

648
00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:31,400
helped you put a dent in that 
pile of Shame. 

649
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:34,200
It's a good thing you know 
definitely might. 

650
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,000
Yeah I think my polishing is 
steadily growing because I went 

651
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,600
from zero and went from 
absolutely nothing nothing and 

652
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,900
the only thing I had was one 
dwarf Demon Slayer. 

653
00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:47,700
That's all I had really yeah. 
About three years ago I won 

654
00:39:47,700 --> 00:39:50,300
Demon Slayer because I had 
nothing I had From GW. 

655
00:39:51,100 --> 00:39:53,300
I'd left you w years and years 
and years ago, man. 

656
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,900
Yeah. 
When it's infinity and had a lot

657
00:39:56,900 --> 00:40:01,100
of that stuff painted up, then 
we did Song of Ice and Fire, oh 

658
00:40:01,100 --> 00:40:05,200
yeah, at the same time did GW 
went back into GW again and now 

659
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,900
sort of just slowly accumulating
everything to stand up so you 

660
00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:12,100
can get a view of my. 
Yeah. 

661
00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:15,900
My God. 
What's that box at the top 

662
00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:19,000
there? 
Dungeon you gentlemen. 

663
00:40:29,500 --> 00:40:34,900
And then those boxes. 
Yeah, all full of Miniatures. 

664
00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:42,400
Well, okay, that shelf there 
behind the punch bag every 

665
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,300
single one of those for the 
villagers. 

666
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,700
Yeah. 
So it's not really part of 

667
00:40:48,700 --> 00:40:50,700
Shame. 
It's a room of A shame and 

668
00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:53,000
you've got the colonel there 
from KFC and looking over a 

669
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,900
looking over all your collection
are made, you can see on the 

670
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:57,500
back wall, he's my spirit 
animal. 

671
00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:02,200
Don't worry buddy eating those 
ministers who made this will 

672
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,400
surely be when he put his secret
11 S hooks and spices on those 

673
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,600
and frightened. 
Yeah. 

674
00:41:13,100 --> 00:41:15,100
Well as long as your wife 
approves making, you got your 

675
00:41:15,100 --> 00:41:16,800
own little space to put your all
your stuff in. 

676
00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:22,100
Then you're right now, you sit 
What we you know, we we built 

677
00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:28,600
this house about 12 or 14 years 
ago and the architect was like 

678
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,900
your the hobby room and I'm 
like, yes yes I remember. 

679
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,100
Yeah. 
So having this space is 

680
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:38,600
fantastic. 
No to come up here, Escape all 

681
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:42,000
the routes escape the real 
world. 

682
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,100
Get some painting done. 
It's lovely. 

683
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:44,400
Yeah. 
Nice. 

684
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,700
When you need a man cave, you 
know, I mean like you're a 

685
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:47,800
hobbyist. 
You need him in here. 

686
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,300
Yeah. 
Yeah, yeah. 

687
00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:54,000
All right. 
Well let's most of us all right.

688
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,300
But many people may not know 
that you're a wonderful 

689
00:41:57,300 --> 00:42:01,300
illustrator and I think we 
should now Deep dive into the 

690
00:42:01,300 --> 00:42:04,500
origins of how you got into 
illustrating a illustrating 

691
00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:09,000
yourself and how you became 
pretty much it. 

692
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,200
Like, a commissioned artist. 
Now I'm cheerful from various 

693
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,300
company. 
Yeah. 

694
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:19,100
And Inspirations work Hmm. 
So whenever you're ready. 

695
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:26,900
Mr. Phone just dive into that. 
Yeah, I've been drawing all my 

696
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:29,500
life. 
I've always enjoyed sketching, 

697
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:34,000
but it wasn't anything I ever 
consider doing professionally. 

698
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:41,200
I did think about going to art 
school when I graduated high 

699
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,000
school, but I ended up doing 
history instead because the plan

700
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:51,300
was to become a history teacher,
but that never happened. and I 

701
00:42:51,300 --> 00:42:58,000
was, I was on Facebook about six
or seven years ago, maybe and I 

702
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:05,300
stumbled across the the old 
Hammer Community page and just 

703
00:43:06,700 --> 00:43:09,500
You know, for a laugh. 
I sketched up the chaos Warrior 

704
00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:12,800
and I took a photo of it, I'll 
put it on the the old Hammer 

705
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,000
Community page, and you've got 
quite a few likes. 

706
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,900
And this guy from Alaska is 
name's Alex Bates. 

707
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:26,500
Here he has his own small 
Miniatures company called Forge 

708
00:43:26,500 --> 00:43:33,700
of ice, they do a lot of kind of
fantasy pulpy Miniatures here. 

709
00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:35,900
Recently commissioned someone to
do. 

710
00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:39,300
Turtle Dragon a really Puck a 
miniature. 

711
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:44,100
He saw it and he asked me you 
know, if I took commissions and 

712
00:43:44,100 --> 00:43:47,500
it wasn't anything I'd ever 
consider doing and I said yeah, 

713
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:50,100
sure. 
And he asked me how much do you 

714
00:43:50,107 --> 00:43:51,900
charge? 
And I said, I have no idea 

715
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:56,200
because I've never drawn for 
money and he asked me to do a 

716
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:02,600
few little sketches in the style
of the old Citadel catalogs. 

717
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,100
You remember back in the day 
before they had photos of 

718
00:44:06,100 --> 00:44:07,600
minute. 
Is that have little black and 

719
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,000
white sketches of all of them? 
So you asked me to do some 

720
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:17,000
sketches of these Miniatures in 
that style and it kind of picked

721
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:28,200
up from there and someone Saw my
Miniatures and asked me if I'd 

722
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,800
be interested in doing a 
Kickstarter and that was a Diego

723
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:38,500
from a nightmare games and that 
ended up being the pantheon of 

724
00:44:38,500 --> 00:44:44,200
chaos Kickstarter, which was 
huge ended up, I think, being at

725
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:50,200
45,000 Euros or something, which
is pretty decent for, you know, 

726
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,900
a niche within the niche, within
a niche range of miniatures. and

727
00:44:55,500 --> 00:45:01,400
I think since then I've kind of 
Steadily being doing commission 

728
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:06,000
work non-stop, but when I did 
the pantheon of chaos one, it 

729
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:11,800
was mainly concept, pictures and
illustrations for a book but I 

730
00:45:11,808 --> 00:45:13,100
don't know if the books going to
happen. 

731
00:45:13,100 --> 00:45:16,700
But basically stuff from 
illustrators to work from her 

732
00:45:16,700 --> 00:45:22,400
for sculptors to work from and 
since then I've moved more into 

733
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:28,600
roleplay game illustration. 
So you know, if you had it like 

734
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:33,000
the osr or OSG, you know like 
the old-school gaming Revival. 

735
00:45:34,300 --> 00:45:35,000
I don't know. 
Sir. 

736
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:42,100
It's basically modern rule 
modern role play games based on 

737
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:46,500
the Old Dungeons and Dragons 
first edition or the red box. 

738
00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:53,500
So it's It's essentially the old
Hammer of roleplay gaming which,

739
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:55,700
you know there was a lot of 
overlap back in the day because 

740
00:45:55,700 --> 00:45:58,400
you know Ian Livingstone is 
Steve Jackson started by 

741
00:45:58,700 --> 00:46:01,700
importing, you know, Dungeons 
and Dragons to the UK. 

742
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:08,000
So they've got a real thirst for
that old 80 style of artwork 

743
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:14,900
which is pretty much what I do. 
So I've just been doing mainly 

744
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,500
roleplay game stuff these days 
based on On the old Rules from. 

745
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:27,800
The the 1980s and do you 
remember, you remember? 

746
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,300
Cause you remember the the 
fighting fantasy books? 

747
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:32,000
Oh yeah. 
And they're missing squawks. 

748
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,100
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

749
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:37,200
So did you have that play the 
advanced fighting fantasy? 

750
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,000
Roleplay game now, I didn't you 
familiar with it. 

751
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:46,800
Oh no, I'm not a big but we're 
sorry me. 

752
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,100
Neither illustrate role play 
games. 

753
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:54,000
I don't play them but there was 
Set of roleplay game rules 

754
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,500
called the advanced fighting 
fantasy rules, which was kind of

755
00:46:58,500 --> 00:47:06,900
a step up from the fighting 
fantasy books, and there's a, 

756
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:12,800
like a Revival in those as well.
A role play games based on those

757
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,300
rules. 
So, like I said, it's very much 

758
00:47:16,300 --> 00:47:21,600
old Hammer of the roleplay world
and People our age, a little 

759
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,700
older, have that hankering for 
Nostalgia and they want to play 

760
00:47:24,700 --> 00:47:26,300
games that remind them of their 
youth. 

761
00:47:26,300 --> 00:47:29,200
So yeah, a lot of the 
illustration stuff I do these 

762
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:36,200
days is based on that with us, 
you know smattering of Concept 

763
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,800
work. 
But yeah, maybe roleplay game 

764
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:41,500
these days as far as Gary chalk 
was a massive influence on you, 

765
00:47:41,500 --> 00:47:43,900
then as well. 
Oh, yeah. 

766
00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:49,700
Can't be understated. 
Gary Gary chalk is, Amazing. 

767
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:52,400
Let me I don't know how old he 
is now. 

768
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:57,700
I mean, he's got to be sixties 
at least maybe early 70s and 

769
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,900
he's even better than he ever 
was. 

770
00:47:59,900 --> 00:48:03,100
I mean, he just constantly 
bringing out, fantastic 

771
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:08,900
illustrations, he's the man's 
amazing, they're dumb called 

772
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:11,100
off. 
Yes, you ever see that one? 

773
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:12,700
Yep, that's all that 
Kickstarter. 

774
00:48:12,700 --> 00:48:18,500
Yeah, yeah, that was like a 
Warhammer fantasy role players. 

775
00:48:18,700 --> 00:48:23,000
In come true, they did some 
absolutely wonderful Miniatures 

776
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:30,200
for that capturing, you know, 
all those kind of characters 

777
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,400
that you might meet that, don't 
really necessarily have 

778
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,000
Miniatures. 
That's relatable for them man. 

779
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,600
I love my lovely old will have a
role play illustrations. 

780
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:45,200
The portraiture illustration. 
I can't divulge Gary. 

781
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,700
Who did those? 
But they were just wonderful. 

782
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,000
Yeah I think a lot of the war on
the Fantasy. 

783
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,800
Roleplay stuff was a Tony 
Ackland tank. 

784
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,300
Our kite. 
I did those okay. 

785
00:48:53,300 --> 00:48:55,100
Wonderful, I love them. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

786
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:59,100
Oh yeah, yeah. 
I mean I'm a, I'm a big Gary 

787
00:48:59,100 --> 00:49:02,300
chalk fan. 
I mean like anything, the man 

788
00:49:02,300 --> 00:49:05,600
does is amazing but with 
Warhammer fantasy roleplay Tony 

789
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:12,400
acklin's kind of the Godfather. 
So to speak here. 

790
00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:14,600
Yeah. 
You definitely captured that old

791
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:18,300
wanna fantasy-style mc2 at it? 
Yeah, yeah. 

792
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,300
Well, you know, so much stuff. 
You see, nowadays is done, you 

793
00:49:24,300 --> 00:49:29,100
know, digitally and it might be 
done pen and pencil within its 

794
00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:31,200
you know, edited online and 
whatnot. 

795
00:49:32,100 --> 00:49:36,300
But yeah, I really like that old
black and white, you know, pen 

796
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:39,000
and ink. 
Aesthetic. 

797
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:45,200
It's You know, nostalgic thing. 
It takes you back to younger 

798
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,100
days. 
Yeah, but it's kind of like 

799
00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:52,800
Historically. 
So it's like you know it's it's 

800
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,400
an art form in itself really, 
isn't it? 

801
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,400
Not only just building this 
Workshop you know error but 

802
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,800
those guys obviously studied you
know, black and white artwork 

803
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,800
from the ages, you know, that 
kind of thing. 

804
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,800
So you know, it's just nowadays,
of course. 

805
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,600
Now everyone pushes digital 
artwork but I'm like you, I 

806
00:50:10,607 --> 00:50:14,000
preferred the hand-drawn stuff, 
you know, it's got more people 

807
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,500
to, it's got more character to 
it. 

808
00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:24,800
There was a a recent picture I 
saw it was things the new age of

809
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:32,900
Sigma Edition that's coming out 
and the the cover is I don't 

810
00:50:32,900 --> 00:50:36,400
know. 
What do you call those big 

811
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,400
heavily? 
Armored seaguar, guys. 

812
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:44,700
Now, are we Not Sigma, right? 
I think that's what the only 

813
00:50:44,700 --> 00:50:47,800
coin Z as basic. 
Well, they're calling in. 

814
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:56,300
Either way, you know, the cover,
it was like a female one of 

815
00:50:56,300 --> 00:50:59,300
those, you know, a big armored. 
If you've got these huge wings 

816
00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:03,500
and she's flying down with his 
flaming, spear about to stab 

817
00:51:03,500 --> 00:51:07,700
some other thing in the head. 
And I mean, it's an amazing 

818
00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:11,500
piece of artwork and the depth, 
and the different levels of the 

819
00:51:11,500 --> 00:51:14,300
shading. 
It's amazing. 

820
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:17,100
But I mean, it's nothing I could
do it's well beyond my 

821
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:24,200
capabilities, but But it doesn't
really grab me in the way that 

822
00:51:24,300 --> 00:51:26,500
old school black and white 
artwork. 

823
00:51:26,500 --> 00:51:32,000
Does, you know, when you look at
the old Fighting fantasy books, 

824
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,800
The Lone Wolf books, Gary chalk,
Illustrated, you know, you could

825
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,200
just, you could lose yourself in
those black and white pictures. 

826
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,900
You just look at them for hours,
but Russ Nicholson was another 

827
00:51:41,900 --> 00:51:45,700
good one, fantastic art for me. 
I've never been a big fan of 

828
00:51:45,700 --> 00:51:48,500
color artwork in gaming book. 
X. 

829
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:55,600
I I like pretty much black and 
white exclusively and you know, 

830
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,300
you see some of the line work. 
And you know, these guys are 

831
00:51:59,300 --> 00:52:04,100
using these ultra-thin pens and 
brushes and they get these 

832
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:10,000
really beautiful lines and stuff
and the intricacy of it is what 

833
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,800
really draws my eye and you 
could spend hours as I said, 

834
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:18,800
looking at it, but in terms of 
color work, Look at someone like

835
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:25,400
Carl karpinski and, you know, 
the stuff that he was doing, 4gw

836
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,800
back in the day. 
I mean, you could easily imagine

837
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:33,100
him painting and Napoleonic era 
general or something, you know, 

838
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:38,000
the level of his artwork and his
ability to use calories is 

839
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,600
amazing. 
It's up there, he's obviously 

840
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:49,500
classically trained and he has 
that almost semi Historical vibe

841
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:53,100
to the work that he does and you
know even he does a lot of 

842
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:56,900
digital stuff now and I can't 
tell the difference between his 

843
00:52:56,900 --> 00:52:58,600
digital stuff and his brush 
stuff. 

844
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:02,700
So in the hands of the correct 
person, that is a great tool to 

845
00:53:02,700 --> 00:53:08,000
have but It's a generational 
thing I guess, you know people 

846
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,500
of a certain age grow up just 
drawing digitally, they don't 

847
00:53:12,500 --> 00:53:18,300
ever really use pen and pencil. 
And I do mean, if I was starting

848
00:53:18,300 --> 00:53:22,500
now, maybe I'd be the same 
because not having to Chuck a 

849
00:53:22,508 --> 00:53:26,000
canvas or a piece of paper away 
because you misplaced a line is,

850
00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:28,400
that's quite appealing, to be 
honest. 

851
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:34,800
I think, if you're bringing out 
Anything that's hoping to appeal

852
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:39,600
to as broad an audience as 
possible, then it's going to be 

853
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:44,500
digital. 
A lot of the the old-school 

854
00:53:44,500 --> 00:53:50,100
Revival guys, the guys drawing, 
roleplay illustrating roleplay 

855
00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:54,200
books, based on the older sets 
of rules are exclusively doing 

856
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,900
pen and ink or, you know, pencil
and ink. 

857
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,500
So I think, yeah. 
For the, the little corner of 

858
00:54:01,500 --> 00:54:05,900
the Hobby World, We inhabit then
pencil winning is still the way 

859
00:54:05,900 --> 00:54:08,500
to go because that's what people
want to see. 

860
00:54:08,500 --> 00:54:11,700
They want as we keep mentioning,
they want that connection to 

861
00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:12,800
their Youth. 
They want that. 

862
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,000
Nostalgia. 
They want that familiarity. 

863
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,300
Because you know, all the stuff 
that we grew up with, it's gone.

864
00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:26,300
Now there's not going to be any 
new versions of that, unless 

865
00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:29,700
someone puts the effort in to 
come out with a new stuff. 

866
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,200
And if it's new, you still want 
it to look old. 

867
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,900
You don't want new looking old? 
It's yeah, yeah. 

868
00:54:36,900 --> 00:54:37,800
I know what you mean? 
Yeah. 

869
00:54:39,300 --> 00:54:41,500
You don't want 3D printed real 
situation. 

870
00:54:41,500 --> 00:54:44,400
Yeah. 
Or three days at designed, you 

871
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,800
know, when a fantasy roleplay 
Minister, that's maybe. 

872
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,800
Sometimes you do you know I 
could just depends. 

873
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,400
Maybe will be just all 3D 
printing stuff in the future. 

874
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,500
You know what I mean? 
Like it's all based on user 

875
00:54:53,500 --> 00:54:55,000
creation stuff. 
Now, isn't it? 

876
00:54:55,300 --> 00:54:59,300
Yeah, it's really good. 
Yeah, going back to the Dunkel 

877
00:54:59,300 --> 00:55:02,700
do stuff. 
You know the guy who does this 

878
00:55:02,700 --> 00:55:08,400
sculpting's is guy named Sonny 
and he did the first Uncle dorf 

879
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,500
Kickstarter in the traditional 
way, everything was done with 

880
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:16,200
green stuff but then the second 
one he did, I think the majority

881
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:19,900
if not all of it. 
Digitally, but when you see 

882
00:55:19,900 --> 00:55:24,300
them, you know, in your actual 
hand and you compare the 

883
00:55:24,300 --> 00:55:28,300
Miniatures from the first and 
second kickstarter's, you know, 

884
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,500
they do fit perfectly side by 
side. 

885
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:37,900
So it is possible to digitally 
sculpt and still have that old 

886
00:55:37,900 --> 00:55:42,500
Hammer, old-school aesthetic. 
If that's where you are coming 

887
00:55:42,500 --> 00:55:47,300
from as an artist. 
You know, digitally sculpted 

888
00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:52,400
stuff, doesn't have to be fancy 
elaborate and over-designed. 

889
00:55:52,400 --> 00:56:00,000
It is quite possible to do it in
a very old-style if that's the 

890
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:04,500
influence that you grew up with.
But yeah, a lot of the digitally

891
00:56:04,500 --> 00:56:10,700
sculpted stuff is very, very 
busy and crammed full of detail.

892
00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:15,400
It's, it's quite a rare to find 
proper old hammering smile, And 

893
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,600
inspired digital Scopes these 
days. 

894
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,000
Yeah, that's true. 
Yeah. 

895
00:56:21,100 --> 00:56:23,600
Well they're around but in very 
very small companies out of 

896
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,000
someone's backyard all back shed
or whatever. 

897
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:30,100
Yeah they're around. 
Yeah yeah I mean that's the 

898
00:56:30,100 --> 00:56:32,600
thing, isn't it? 
I mean you know 3D printing and 

899
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:42,100
digital design is basically you 
know introduce this Equalizing 

900
00:56:42,100 --> 00:56:45,600
element to the Hobby. 
You know before if you wanted to

901
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:50,700
release your own range of 
villages, you had to, you know, 

902
00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:54,000
hire a concept artist, then hire
a sculptor. 

903
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,200
And then you have to get them 
cast up and molded. 

904
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,900
But you know, if you can Fork 
out, you know, three or four 

905
00:57:00,900 --> 00:57:03,700
hundred dollars for a 3D 
printer, you can start doing 

906
00:57:03,700 --> 00:57:08,300
stuff in your garden shed 
nowadays, and you do see all 

907
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:12,500
these little operations and guys
popping up Here, There and 

908
00:57:12,500 --> 00:57:17,200
Everywhere churning out stuff 
that the bigger companies might 

909
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:20,900
not be bothering with, but there
is still that demand for. 

910
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,200
I saw a kick start of the other 
day for, you know, Thunder 

911
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,400
Warriors. 
Know, I don't know. 

912
00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:32,100
So, you know, like if you look 
at the like the Horus heresy, 

913
00:57:32,700 --> 00:57:36,900
and before the Space Marines 
were created by the emperor, he 

914
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:41,500
had the Thunder Warriors, who 
were his Basically he's first 

915
00:57:41,500 --> 00:57:47,300
attempt at Genetically Enhanced 
Warriors and GW did actually 

916
00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:51,100
produce some Miniatures for 
them. 

917
00:57:51,100 --> 00:57:54,600
Kind of, do you remember? 
They did a range of Miniatures 

918
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:59,300
and it was a Space Marine arm of
Through the Ages and they've got

919
00:57:59,300 --> 00:58:03,400
the mark one Mark III. 
Yeah, but one arm was the 

920
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,000
Thunder. 
Warrior armor, right? 

921
00:58:06,300 --> 00:58:08,800
Why they had the Open Face 
helmets with the goggles and the

922
00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:14,700
Boom of hair. 
Okay, you got one, I've got a 

923
00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:16,700
minute, I've got the catalog, 
maybe the camels in there. 

924
00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:19,000
Maybe I'll just check as you're 
talking sir. 

925
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:28,700
So they did come out with Maybe 
they want to fund a warrior 

926
00:58:28,700 --> 00:58:32,700
skull. 
It's one holding a Bolter and 

927
00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:35,200
one holding we go. 
Got it. 

928
00:58:35,300 --> 00:58:37,400
Gotcha. 
Oh, hell yeah. 

929
00:58:38,500 --> 00:58:40,400
There we go. 
That's him. 

930
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:45,900
So the guy in the top my left 
corner. 

931
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,500
That's a thunder armor. 
Yeah. 

932
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:53,500
Now they actually, there's two. 
There's one of the Bolder in 

933
00:58:53,500 --> 00:58:58,600
this one with a like a power 
Acts or halberd. 

934
00:58:58,900 --> 00:59:01,300
And there may be a third one but
I might be wrong about that. 

935
00:59:01,700 --> 00:59:04,800
But basically those guys were 
like the, the Proto Space 

936
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:10,800
Marines. 
Yeah, I mean, they're bigger 

937
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:16,600
than Space Marines tougher than 
Space Marines, but maybe not 

938
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:22,000
below the custodian, you know, 
I'm chomping at the bit to get 

939
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:27,900
squat a thunder Warrior love, 
ask whatever, but GW never made 

940
00:59:27,900 --> 00:59:30,200
them. 
But then some guys like well, 

941
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:34,300
you know, did you leave make 
them on, you know, whatever 

942
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,200
sculpting software they're 
using. 

943
00:59:36,700 --> 00:59:39,200
Get them off of my 3D printer 
and get someone to cast a vote 

944
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,600
for me. 
So it's a great time to be in 

945
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,500
the hobby because somewhere 
someone somewhere is doing what 

946
00:59:46,500 --> 00:59:53,100
you want and you could literally
find any possible miniature of 

947
00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:58,600
any kind of Unmade character, 
that you could ask for it's a 

948
00:59:58,607 --> 01:00:02,600
fantastic time to be a hobby. 
Yeah, that is it's putting is 

949
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,800
putting the tools into the hands
of the creators and it could be 

950
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,600
anybody. 
And then it's just up to them to

951
01:00:08,900 --> 01:00:12,300
train themselves or, you know, 
have the initiative to make 

952
01:00:12,300 --> 01:00:16,700
something out of that and we've 
got guys in Japan, is it? 

953
01:00:16,700 --> 01:00:18,500
David? 
Is making all that test of Honor

954
01:00:18,500 --> 01:00:20,800
samurai. 
Oh yeah. 

955
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,100
Amazing stuff. 
Mate. 

956
01:00:22,100 --> 01:00:23,700
For 3D printing. 
That is incredible. 

957
01:00:23,700 --> 01:00:24,800
It. 
I mean, that's the best terrain 

958
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,400
I've ever seen. in my life like,
you know, you could have 

959
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,400
commercially by anything like 
that that standard Equal that 

960
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,700
big like three or four level 
castles? 

961
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:36,300
Well, it wasn't me. 
Yeah, he's got an incredible set

962
01:00:36,300 --> 01:00:39,600
of yearly, but it will probably 
cost a fair amount to get it. 

963
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,500
But then once you've got all the
files, you can print as many as 

964
01:00:42,500 --> 01:00:44,000
you want off, you know, in that 
kind of thing. 

965
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,500
So you can have an entire room 
full of castles if you wanted 

966
01:00:46,500 --> 01:00:48,100
to. 
Yeah. 

967
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,400
But that's the thing because 
it's digital you could scale it 

968
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,000
up and down. 
I mean you could print them off.

969
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,400
Yes millimeter scale. 
You could do, you could treat. 

970
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,000
You can print the whole map of 
Japan if you wanted and just 

971
01:00:58,000 --> 01:00:59,900
populate it with castles. 
Yeah. 

972
01:00:59,900 --> 01:01:02,300
Yeah. 
And he does nekron terrain as 

973
01:01:02,300 --> 01:01:04,100
well. 
Yeah, that's true. 

974
01:01:04,100 --> 01:01:06,100
Yeah, he does. 
Yeah, no, no. 

975
01:01:06,100 --> 01:01:10,200
It's it's amazing. 
And it's just gonna get better. 

976
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:16,100
3D tours. 3D printings. 
I mean still in this infancy. 

977
01:01:16,500 --> 01:01:21,800
Hmm. 
There's you know so much room 

978
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,900
for improvement. 
It's pretty good now. 

979
01:01:23,900 --> 01:01:26,600
But 10 years from now, it's 
going to be even better. 

980
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,300
It's going to be amazing. 
Yeah, yeah. 

981
01:01:29,300 --> 01:01:33,400
Not basically you know, As we 
were saying, 3D printing is, 

982
01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:38,100
like I said, it's in its infancy
and even now it's pretty good 

983
01:01:38,100 --> 01:01:41,600
but it's going to be amazing. 
Like 10 years, 20 years time. 

984
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:48,000
I mean I do wonder, you know, is
Games Workshop gonna Venture 

985
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,500
into this in a couple of decades
and start you know, selling 

986
01:01:51,500 --> 01:01:55,400
stl's as opposed to Miniatures 
because Eventually, everyone is 

987
01:01:55,408 --> 01:01:58,000
going to have a 3D printer if 
they're in the hobby. 

988
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:01,600
Yep. 
Yeah, I think so. 

989
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,200
I think it's going to be part of
our hobby to one point, you 

990
01:02:04,200 --> 01:02:07,900
know, we're going to have, you 
know, certain minutes as we 

991
01:02:07,900 --> 01:02:11,800
can't find any more STL printed.
Hopefully you know, I love my 

992
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,000
little bit models. 
But obviously, you know, I'm 

993
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:18,200
going to come to a point where 
I've reached the amount of stuff

994
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:21,700
that I can possibly cope with 
that, you know, keeping my room 

995
01:02:21,700 --> 01:02:24,800
and painting, and I've got my 
complete collection, maybe the 

996
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,200
something transfer my interest 
later on, like the samurai stuff

997
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,200
that I'm keen on doing that, you
know, doing historical stuff and

998
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,900
I'm printing out castle at 
Medieval castles and that kind 

999
01:02:32,900 --> 01:02:34,900
of thing. 
Yeah, that's that's definitely a

1000
01:02:34,908 --> 01:02:37,700
benefit down the track. 
But yeah, like, you know, the 

1001
01:02:37,700 --> 01:02:39,500
Mighty Fortress. 
I would love to have a Mighty 

1002
01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:45,400
Fortress but the the ability to 
actually print one out and have 

1003
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:49,400
it in actual, you know, like a 
resin form, a be awesome. 

1004
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,500
So that kind of thing and having
like the attackers Cedars sets 

1005
01:02:53,500 --> 01:02:56,600
and that kind of stuff having 
people do that and was a saw 

1006
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,600
one. 
Just recently, maybe you've seen

1007
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,700
it, there's one for the TalkBack
Wagon from Rogue Trader. 

1008
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,700
Yeah, that was brilliant to mean
that's just absolutely awesome. 

1009
01:03:05,700 --> 01:03:08,300
I mean that gets me excited to 
have those kind of things. 

1010
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:16,300
Absolutely where you can get a 
Cuz slightly scaled up versions 

1011
01:03:16,300 --> 01:03:19,300
of the, the Rogue Trader Space 
Marine dreadnoughts. 

1012
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:24,500
Okay, so we're back again. 
Sorry about that. 

1013
01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:28,900
We had a bit of another check 
and mate. 

1014
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:30,600
Yeah, choosing a Mite. 
Thanks again. 

1015
01:03:30,900 --> 01:03:33,100
Sorry about the interruption, 
but we're back again. 

1016
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:36,200
We would we have a refill? 
So that's all right. 

1017
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:43,900
Yeah, that's that's finished. 
Yeah, time for the cocktails. 

1018
01:03:43,900 --> 01:03:46,800
Are they going? 
I wish I could do any one of 

1019
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:49,900
those. 
May one day, one day when the 

1020
01:03:49,900 --> 01:03:53,300
coronavirus has done and dusted,
you have to make you all that, 

1021
01:03:53,300 --> 01:03:57,100
make your way down to me and 
we'll get a gaming or something.

1022
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,400
Yeah, definitely. 
So, tell me what I was thinking 

1023
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:04,200
about. 
So a lot of the old Hammer 

1024
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,200
Miniatures are quite hard to 
come by. 

1025
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:09,600
I mean, there are some that were
produced in huge numbers and you

1026
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,900
can buy them for next to nothing
but there's a lot of stuff that 

1027
01:04:11,900 --> 01:04:18,600
still tough to find something 
worth checking for people, 

1028
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:23,000
looking for old hammer style, 
images is a Ral, partha Europe, 

1029
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:27,300
rpe I don't know if you've ever 
bought anything from them but 

1030
01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:31,300
they've got a lot of stuff 
sculpted by a lot of the old GW 

1031
01:04:31,300 --> 01:04:34,100
Miniatures. 
Very, very reasonable prices. 

1032
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,800
So let me share a photo with 
you. 

1033
01:04:38,300 --> 01:04:41,800
These are some ogres that I 
painted up a while ago. 

1034
01:04:42,300 --> 01:04:45,400
Nice. 
So I just I just painted a whole

1035
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:49,200
batch of the make forum for our 
good mate and mutual friend 

1036
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:51,100
Yoshi. 
Oh really. 

1037
01:04:51,100 --> 01:04:52,800
Oh nice. 
Yeah for his web store. 

1038
01:04:52,900 --> 01:04:55,300
Yeah you're hoping to know for 
I'm here. 

1039
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:01,300
Oh you know when it comes to Old
Hammer a lot of people you know,

1040
01:05:01,300 --> 01:05:04,900
they really want to get the 
Miniatures from the back in the 

1041
01:05:04,900 --> 01:05:08,800
day but you know, in some cases 
you need Deep Pockets to get 

1042
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,200
your hands on those. 
So I think letting people know 

1043
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:17,600
of modern day a more affordable 
Alternatives is something that 

1044
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:23,300
we should all do because you 
know, Being old Hammer doesn't 

1045
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,000
shouldn't be limited to people 
with Deep Pockets. 

1046
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,200
That's true too. 
Yeah because I mean we could we 

1047
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,300
could probably run off about 50 
models that would really love to

1048
01:05:32,300 --> 01:05:36,600
have but then you know the the 
the cost and time involved in 

1049
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:38,800
trying to acquire those models 
and then trying to find out 

1050
01:05:38,808 --> 01:05:41,400
they're not recasts and all that
kind of thing at all the drummer

1051
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,800
associated with that being tried
ripped off on eBay and all those

1052
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:46,800
kind of things were hurdles. 
You need to jump through. 

1053
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,200
Yeah, finding Alternatives like 
that from reputable companies 

1054
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,400
that have good people behind 
them and they're trying to make 

1055
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,300
an honest living and making good
models, and giving the The, you 

1056
01:05:57,300 --> 01:05:59,600
know, the duties of sculpting 
these in designing, these models

1057
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,200
to, like local artists and that 
kind of thing is only. 

1058
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:06,400
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 
So yeah, I've got nothing but 

1059
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:10,400
praise for, you know, Ralph 
alpher Europe because, you know,

1060
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,500
great communication. 
Great service. 

1061
01:06:12,500 --> 01:06:18,100
Great prices, lovely Miniatures.
They've got a the bubbly ogres. 

1062
01:06:18,100 --> 01:06:23,600
They've got Kev Adams. 
Goblins, they've got Kev Adams, 

1063
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:26,700
dwarves. 
They've got a lovely loaded 

1064
01:06:26,700 --> 01:06:29,400
minute. 
Is so yummy. 

1065
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,600
I mean, II, think you could fill
a whole show just with that 

1066
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:39,100
showing off what's available 
nowadays for people who want old

1067
01:06:39,100 --> 01:06:44,900
Hammer at least style Miniatures
without having to go through the

1068
01:06:44,900 --> 01:06:48,800
rigmarole that you mention of 
finding the authentic stuff. 

1069
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:51,700
Maybe we need to have you back 
then most of aren't you? 

1070
01:06:51,700 --> 01:06:55,000
Give us a whole show based on 
what companies are out there now

1071
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,200
selling the old Hammer stuff. 
I'm a boring Bastard with 

1072
01:06:58,207 --> 01:07:00,100
nothing better to do. 
Same time, ready? 

1073
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:06,000
We can drink together and share 
the wonders of the Hobby. 

1074
01:07:06,100 --> 01:07:08,800
In the new generation shall be a
lot of my liver would 

1075
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:19,300
appreciate, you know, getting 
more people into the old hammer 

1076
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,900
style of gaming is got to be a 
good thing, isn't it? 

1077
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,500
Absolutely. 
Like, even like, you know, now, 

1078
01:07:26,700 --> 01:07:29,600
You're talking about the, you 
know, the recording and denim. 

1079
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:36,600
The Wizards game frostbite Frost
was it frost, frost gray pants 

1080
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:39,500
gray, otherwise had frostbite. 
I don't know why some frostbite 

1081
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,600
nothing had mine actually with 
frosted. 

1082
01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:45,500
Yeah, that's kind of like that 
because the North Star they have

1083
01:07:45,500 --> 01:07:49,600
that was wonderful. 
Kevin De L'Amour is painted 

1084
01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,500
Miniatures. 
I've got really into the sort of

1085
01:07:51,500 --> 01:07:54,200
thing, but background to it 
because it reminds me of Third 

1086
01:07:54,200 --> 01:08:00,300
Edition, one, a fantasy in a 
That kind of aesthetic setup so 

1087
01:08:00,300 --> 01:08:02,900
that kind of style that all 
those kind of old hammer things 

1088
01:08:02,900 --> 01:08:07,600
like what yoji's doing with his 
own soul or game or it's like a 

1089
01:08:07,607 --> 01:08:15,300
ball playing miniature game so 
it's a good mesh of role-playing

1090
01:08:15,300 --> 01:08:20,300
and skirmish. 
But yeah, I think yo, yo G is a 

1091
01:08:20,300 --> 01:08:28,000
good example of, I think what we
should all consider old Hammer 

1092
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:36,100
to be. often people get a bit 
snobbish or elitist about old 

1093
01:08:36,100 --> 01:08:40,800
Hammer, you know, unless it's 
vintage Miniatures and unless 

1094
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:47,200
it's vintage rules, you're not 
doing it properly and to me it's

1095
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:51,800
always been more about a spirit 
and attitude towards gaining 

1096
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,700
rather than The exclusivity of 
it. 

1097
01:08:55,700 --> 01:08:59,000
I mean, you know, like I 
mentioned before I playing Frost

1098
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,800
grave, you know, there's a 
couple of old Hammer Miniatures 

1099
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:05,600
in my wall band, but not all of 
them, but I'm trying to 

1100
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:11,899
replicate that feeling, we had 
as kids, you know, rolling Dice 

1101
01:09:11,899 --> 01:09:15,700
and moving these Miniatures, 
that we've created this 

1102
01:09:15,700 --> 01:09:20,399
narrative form. 
And I mean, to me old Hammer 

1103
01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:23,700
should be an attitude more than 
what you have. 

1104
01:09:23,899 --> 01:09:28,500
Bility to buy and Yoda is a 
perfect example of that. 

1105
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:33,399
I mean, you know, that's a good 
point to that's you know, you've

1106
01:09:33,399 --> 01:09:37,100
got things like Diego's company 
producing, you know 

1107
01:09:37,100 --> 01:09:41,100
authentic-looking old Hammer 
Miniatures at a very affordable 

1108
01:09:41,100 --> 01:09:45,000
price and you're good now, delta
T, good casting. 

1109
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,100
I mean, the casting, you know, 
on those models now and much 

1110
01:09:48,100 --> 01:09:50,899
better than what they were all 
those years ago as well. 

1111
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,500
Yeah, yeah. 
And I don't want, you know, you 

1112
01:09:55,500 --> 01:09:59,400
can't be dismissive dismissive 
of stuff, just because it's not 

1113
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:00,800
30 years. 
Sold. 

1114
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:07,900
You know if someone is you know,
45 now and they grew up playing 

1115
01:10:07,900 --> 01:10:10,100
the old games. 
And now they want to make 

1116
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:14,000
something as an omage to what 
they did is in their youth to 

1117
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,100
me, that's old Hammer. 
I mean, that is what Oldham is 

1118
01:10:17,100 --> 01:10:19,900
all about. 
It's, you know, it's your 

1119
01:10:19,900 --> 01:10:22,800
attitude to gaming. 
It's going out there and 

1120
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:27,100
creating and making something so
yeah. 

1121
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:32,600
I mean, I think it's important 
to be Of all these new images 

1122
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:36,200
and new games as long as they 
have the old Hammer, you know, 

1123
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:41,300
ideals behind the really. 
Yeah, I actually left the old 

1124
01:10:41,300 --> 01:10:49,200
Hammer Community page a year or 
so ago and then me and a bunch 

1125
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:56,200
of other guys, we started a new 
page which we originally and 

1126
01:10:56,200 --> 01:11:03,200
imaginatively named old hammer. 
because we yeah we kind of got 

1127
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:08,900
sick and tired of the leakiness 
of the old Hammer community and 

1128
01:11:08,900 --> 01:11:13,700
the fact that you were just 
getting post after post after 

1129
01:11:13,700 --> 01:11:17,800
post of unpainted Miniatures, 
boxes still wrapped in 

1130
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:24,300
cellophane, you know, We want to
see people painting stuff, doing

1131
01:11:24,300 --> 01:11:26,300
stuff playing stuff making 
stuff. 

1132
01:11:26,300 --> 01:11:31,900
I mean, you know, showing that 
you've got the ability to spend 

1133
01:11:31,900 --> 01:11:33,800
money on eBay is not a hobby 
achievement. 

1134
01:11:35,700 --> 01:11:37,700
So, yeah, we started a new group
recorded. 

1135
01:11:37,700 --> 01:11:42,500
Just old hammer and the ideas. 
We want to see people who are 

1136
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,800
painting their Miniatures, 
putting them on the table 

1137
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:51,800
playing games with them. 
People with, you know, a similar

1138
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,100
attitude to gaming. 
We don't care if you Miniatures 

1139
01:11:55,100 --> 01:11:57,900
a 30 years old or, you know, 10 
years old. 

1140
01:11:57,900 --> 01:12:00,200
But you know, you're going out 
there. 

1141
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,800
You're doing stuff and having 
fun. 

1142
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:08,900
That's what we want to see. 
So yeah, I completely understand

1143
01:12:08,900 --> 01:12:14,000
what you're saying about, you 
know, that kind of lack of 

1144
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,400
attention for what I consider 
real. 

1145
01:12:16,500 --> 01:12:20,100
Achieve with them in a fanzine 
takes effort and anyone who's 

1146
01:12:20,100 --> 01:12:24,000
not liking and commenting on a 
post about a fanzine, what are 

1147
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:29,800
you doing? 
You know, I when I'm online and 

1148
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:35,000
I'm looking for hobby content 
and hobby related stuff, I don't

1149
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:38,300
care how old the Miniatures are.
I just want to see stuff being 

1150
01:12:38,300 --> 01:12:46,500
made painted played by people 
who share my hobby ideals. 

1151
01:12:46,500 --> 01:12:49,300
I guess. 
You know, they want to roll dice

1152
01:12:49,500 --> 01:12:51,900
have fun. 
Have a few drinks. 

1153
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,800
They're not playing 
competitively, they'd rather 

1154
01:12:54,800 --> 01:13:00,900
focus on the narrative. 
Of then win at all costs. you 

1155
01:13:00,900 --> 01:13:08,700
know, I think The the idea of 
you know, when they introduce 

1156
01:13:08,700 --> 01:13:14,300
your Warhammer tourneys was kind
of the beginning of the end for 

1157
01:13:14,300 --> 01:13:20,600
some people like us because it's
not supposed to be a competitive

1158
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,700
thing. 
It's supposed to be a narrative 

1159
01:13:23,700 --> 01:13:30,200
crafted between like-minded 
people and you know Nigel 

1160
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:34,400
Stillman I think is the epitome 
Of that attitude. 

1161
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:37,000
You know, the rules are still 
Mania. 

1162
01:13:38,500 --> 01:13:43,300
I think you mentioned them maybe
in your blog as a friend of 

1163
01:13:43,300 --> 01:13:49,400
mine. 
Tom Tom Grove and he actually he

1164
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:54,200
sent an email to Nigel Steelman 
and he replied to him and he 

1165
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:59,800
posted it on his blog and maybe 
I was like three Three 

1166
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:04,200
consecutive months of this 
interview ran for and they 

1167
01:14:04,200 --> 01:14:09,600
discuss this attitude to gaming 
and, you know, the the Stillman 

1168
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:13,800
ethos as it were. 
And to me, that is that is old 

1169
01:14:14,900 --> 01:14:18,800
that way of thinking 
encapsulate, what the hobby 

1170
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,300
means to me, so I don't care 
what Miniatures you using, or 

1171
01:14:22,300 --> 01:14:25,000
what rules you using. 
If that's the way you think that

1172
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,700
to me is older one. 
Yeah, it's good to mention Nigel

1173
01:14:28,700 --> 01:14:30,900
because he's made a big 
impression on me. 

1174
01:14:30,900 --> 01:14:32,700
Because when I went, when I 
worked in the studio, with all 

1175
01:14:32,700 --> 01:14:36,300
those years ago, I met Nigel. 
But I didn't know who he was. 

1176
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:41,000
He was his old work in the top 
and the second floor in this 

1177
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:45,800
little sort of sectioned off 
part of the, of the, of the, of 

1178
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:51,500
the studio there, like a, like, 
an old man, man, he was in his 

1179
01:14:51,500 --> 01:14:53,200
laboratory. 
You know, considering all these 

1180
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:54,800
ideas and I went up there one 
day. 

1181
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:57,800
And he's a lot easier. 
He'd made the biggest impression

1182
01:14:57,800 --> 01:14:59,200
on because he was such a nice 
guy. 

1183
01:14:59,700 --> 01:15:02,500
Yeah, came across, is this most 
approachable person that you 

1184
01:15:02,500 --> 01:15:04,800
could come up to many time to 
talk to him, and you'll be like,

1185
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:09,200
you know, could just, you know, 
would give you the time of day 

1186
01:15:09,500 --> 01:15:12,200
and he saw coming here come and 
have a look. 

1187
01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:13,700
Have a look at this. 
I was I had to ask him about 

1188
01:15:13,700 --> 01:15:15,300
lizard-men or something. 
I think we're doing ilysm and 

1189
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,600
think the fifth edition at that 
time and I was wanting to get 

1190
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:20,300
sort of like an idea of what 
they look like and all this kind

1191
01:15:20,300 --> 01:15:22,400
of stuff and using give me and 
someone said I'll go and see 

1192
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,900
Nigel because he's writing the 
book for it. 

1193
01:15:25,100 --> 01:15:28,100
So he He'll fill you in on a bit
of a, bit of a dossier about 

1194
01:15:28,100 --> 01:15:29,700
what Lisbon, or that kind of 
stuff. 

1195
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:31,700
So, first, I went to see wayne 
England. 

1196
01:15:31,700 --> 01:15:32,700
Another champion. 
Bye. 

1197
01:15:33,500 --> 01:15:35,500
I love you. 
I know, I think, I don't know if

1198
01:15:35,500 --> 01:15:37,400
he's still with us. 
I think maybe he died. 

1199
01:15:37,700 --> 01:15:40,000
He passed away a few years ago, 
unfortunately. 

1200
01:15:40,300 --> 01:15:43,000
Yeah, but true legend is an 
absolute wonderful guy. 

1201
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,600
The drink, I'm still back on my 
third wine. 

1202
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,300
So my tears. 
Again, it is again. 

1203
01:16:00,300 --> 01:16:04,800
Yeah, good to have you here. 
And yeah, well time chatting 

1204
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,300
with us so what did we gain? 
England. 

1205
01:16:07,500 --> 01:16:12,500
Whining went yes. 
And if the great artists, but 

1206
01:16:12,500 --> 01:16:17,400
for me Wayne England, whenever I
hear his name I always think of 

1207
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:23,000
that dwarf Army. 
Mmm-hmm it did a door for me in 

1208
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,200
white dwarf the blue and white 
dwarf Army. 

1209
01:16:26,900 --> 01:16:35,100
Absolutely phenomenal. 
Now I got one picture, one of 

1210
01:16:35,100 --> 01:16:36,800
these units but that's one of 
the unit's there. 

1211
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:41,200
Yeah yeah. 
Amazing army, absolutely 

1212
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:46,100
amazing. 
I actually, I decided to do a 

1213
01:16:46,100 --> 01:16:52,100
kind of small britannian warband
based around Wayne England's war

1214
01:16:52,100 --> 01:16:53,600
paint Scheme. 
Nice? 

1215
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:59,800
I-i'm, not really keen on doing 
a mounted britannian. 

1216
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,700
Army kind of leaves me a bit 
here, but the britannian 

1217
01:17:02,700 --> 01:17:06,400
Footlights by the Perry's for I 
guess it would still be Third 

1218
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:10,500
Edition, wouldn't it? 
Because in the We'll have a army

1219
01:17:10,500 --> 01:17:13,300
but for Third Edition, there 
were no foot nights but then 

1220
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:17,900
they published an article in 
white dwarf and they told you to

1221
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:20,600
basically cut it out and stick 
it in the book. 

1222
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:25,000
You know, those footnotes to me.
If some of the best Miniatures 

1223
01:17:25,500 --> 01:17:30,200
gwd ever made and they're 
wonderful, but like, a rarer 

1224
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:35,100
than hen's teeth, their Crusade,
a Miniatures, do a really great 

1225
01:17:35,100 --> 01:17:38,700
range of the Third Crusade 
miniatures. 

1226
01:17:38,900 --> 01:17:41,600
And they just fit perfectly with
the britannians. 

1227
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:46,600
So yeah, the way in England, I 
mean spider that for me, what's 

1228
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,200
the other company? 
Now, that's out that Michael is 

1229
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:50,700
doing some really good stuff. 
Like really amazing looking 

1230
01:17:50,900 --> 01:17:56,100
Miniatures, all in mantle, and 
also designed by hand will come 

1231
01:17:56,100 --> 01:17:58,800
to me very soon, it's quite 
famous now. 

1232
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:04,700
I think they're doing a lot of 
kind of the War of the Roses. 

1233
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,400
100 G's Wars are 100 Year War 
ministers. 

1234
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,100
Frank castings. 
That's it. 

1235
01:18:10,100 --> 01:18:11,000
Claymore! 
That's it! 

1236
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:12,500
They're doing some brilliant 
stuff. 

1237
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:17,400
Absolutely Claymore stuff is 
amazing, man. 

1238
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:19,000
That's got me excited about 
historical moment. 

1239
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,900
That's like it's I'm looking at 
this stuff and thinking I want 

1240
01:18:21,900 --> 01:18:24,400
to play historical playing those
Miniatures, you know. 

1241
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:29,800
Yeah, I've got a load of 
historical Miniatures of been a 

1242
01:18:31,500 --> 01:18:33,400
just waiting for an excuse to 
get painted. 

1243
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:38,300
I did some I don't have a photo 
of those actually, but I picked 

1244
01:18:38,300 --> 01:18:42,700
up some plastic Mormons a while 
back, but it's just a matter of 

1245
01:18:42,700 --> 01:18:46,900
finding the right rule set. 
So what I'm thinking of, have 

1246
01:18:46,900 --> 01:18:49,600
you ever played Lord of the 
Rings now, I have known. 

1247
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,400
Artwork ever played it may be 
many years ago. 

1248
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,800
When it first was like a 
published rule set from Rick 

1249
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:58,800
place in white dwarf magazine. 
Then like I think I had like a 

1250
01:18:58,808 --> 01:19:01,900
really sort of basic rule set in
the magazine for it. 

1251
01:19:02,900 --> 01:19:08,300
When GW got the, you know, the 
deal with I guess new line 

1252
01:19:08,300 --> 01:19:12,200
Cinema, to make the games based 
around the movies will see a 

1253
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:14,200
lift Co cover Tori to do the 
rules. 

1254
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,700
I think Rick proceed to the 
rules, man. 

1255
01:19:17,500 --> 01:19:19,500
That's Rick's baby run rings. 
Yep. 

1256
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:21,100
Oh really. 
Okay. 

1257
01:19:22,700 --> 01:19:26,200
So they also did some historical
versions based on those. 

1258
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:36,000
So old immediately, grab a book 
So they did a pirate version. 

1259
01:19:36,300 --> 01:19:41,700
Okay, the high seas. 
Yeah, yeah, they did a wild west

1260
01:19:41,700 --> 01:19:44,600
version and it's based around 
the same mechanics of The Lord 

1261
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:53,600
of the Rings game, and some Kyle
line, basically, you know, did a

1262
01:19:54,900 --> 01:19:57,600
Dark Age historical supplement 
for Lord of the Rings so you 

1263
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:02,600
could use those rules to play, 
you know, Norman invasion, you 

1264
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,200
know, Us the Third Crusade, that
kind of thing. 

1265
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:12,200
So, I'm considering using those 
rules for Historical Dark Age 

1266
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:14,800
Warfare because they're really 
streamline the play really 

1267
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:18,600
quickly. 
They got rules for, you know, 

1268
01:20:19,500 --> 01:20:24,900
Heroes with special abilities. 
And I don't want to play a huge,

1269
01:20:24,900 --> 01:20:27,800
huge mass battle with and I just
want to war band or whatever. 

1270
01:20:27,800 --> 01:20:30,200
So, yeah, I think that might be 
the way to go. 

1271
01:20:30,900 --> 01:20:31,500
Cool. 
Okay. 

1272
01:20:31,500 --> 01:20:35,200
Well, that sounds interesting. 
You still got all those actually

1273
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:40,600
go to, I sent you. 
I actually ended up trading most

1274
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:44,000
of them but I kept enough for a 
warband could only man that's 

1275
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:48,300
good. 
It was well I was supposed to go

1276
01:20:48,300 --> 01:20:56,800
to boil 2020. 
But these are the coronavirus 

1277
01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:00,200
happened. 
And one of my mates guy called 

1278
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:05,200
Colin Murray, he was going to be
running a game of warbands. 

1279
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:08,700
Invading Lush Korea, using I 
think Third Edition rules. 

1280
01:21:08,700 --> 01:21:12,300
So I kept all the characters 
from that Japanese Army. 

1281
01:21:12,300 --> 01:21:14,700
I got a few in trade and I was 
going to paint them up as a 

1282
01:21:14,700 --> 01:21:20,600
nipponese warband but of course,
didn't happen the pandemic. 

1283
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:24,200
But They are, they sitting there
on the back? 

1284
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:25,900
Back back. 
Burner waiting to be painted at 

1285
01:21:25,900 --> 01:21:28,400
some point. 
No, that's good. 

1286
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:30,900
I kind of hope you going to do 
those because, you know, like 

1287
01:21:30,900 --> 01:21:33,000
the sea actually, do something 
with those and we can probably 

1288
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:36,700
play a game at some point, maybe
test of water or something like 

1289
01:21:36,700 --> 01:21:39,100
that in the future. 
Because it's something down for 

1290
01:21:39,100 --> 01:21:40,700
that. 
Yeah, Mi but I'm going to save 

1291
01:21:40,700 --> 01:21:42,800
an additional rules and ever 
played it but I'm very 

1292
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:46,900
interested in it because I love 
games which have a good theme 

1293
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:49,800
and then add cards to the game 
as well that you've got some 

1294
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,800
kind of car mechanics can 
throwing you know throw it throw

1295
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:54,500
a spanner in the works for your 
opponent. 

1296
01:21:54,500 --> 01:21:57,200
Now I love all this kind of it's
a good set of rules. 

1297
01:21:58,200 --> 01:22:00,200
Yeah, it's a good. 
I think it's a really good set 

1298
01:22:00,200 --> 01:22:04,700
of rules, but, yeah, I just need
to get on the table basically, 

1299
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:06,100
and give it a go. 
Yeah. 

1300
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:10,000
So well, you know, so many games
and so little time, a means 

1301
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:11,900
story of Our Lives. 
That's it man. 

1302
01:22:11,900 --> 01:22:15,300
Yeah, that's it. 
I tell you again, that's worth 

1303
01:22:15,300 --> 01:22:19,300
playing Judge Dredd Miniatures 
game. 

1304
01:22:19,300 --> 01:22:21,500
But not the current one from 
Warlord. 

1305
01:22:21,500 --> 01:22:23,700
The previous one from Mongoose 
games. 

1306
01:22:24,100 --> 01:22:27,100
Mmm, it's a, I think it's like a
caddy. 

1307
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:31,600
It's a D20 or D12 system, I 
don't remember now but it's an 

1308
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:37,300
absolutely amazing set of rules 
for sci-fi Skirmish and you 

1309
01:22:37,308 --> 01:22:40,200
know, you've got water, you 
know, rules for the judges and 

1310
01:22:40,300 --> 01:22:45,000
see defense squads and mutant so
you could easily put anything 

1311
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:49,600
you want them table using it. 
For sci-fi Skirmish. 

1312
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:52,000
I reckon it's the way to go. 
It's brilliant. 

1313
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:58,000
But I mean, it's a few years, 
you know, out of print now, but 

1314
01:22:58,300 --> 01:23:00,800
you can get your hands on that. 
Well, well worth playing. 

1315
01:23:01,500 --> 01:23:03,300
Yeah. 
Sadly the Judge Dredd. 

1316
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:08,500
Like the license just does not 
appeal to me at one iota but I 

1317
01:23:08,500 --> 01:23:10,100
better just because an old 
camera. 

1318
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:12,200
Yeah. 
I've never I've never got into 

1319
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:14,000
Comics. 
I've never been into Comics at 

1320
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,700
all. 
Never been as a Judge, Dredd. 

1321
01:23:16,700 --> 01:23:19,400
I've never Never seen the 
Fascination by it but I can see 

1322
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:24,000
how its influenced the look of 
Rogue Trader for sure. 

1323
01:23:24,100 --> 01:23:25,500
You know. 
Absolutely yeah. 

1324
01:23:25,900 --> 01:23:28,400
Yeah. 
Now now seeing it now I can see.

1325
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:32,600
Definitely has been a big 
influence of it but I heard that

1326
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:34,100
it's really good. 
I think I think antechambers 

1327
01:23:34,100 --> 01:23:38,800
worked on that set of rules for 
longest and I did remember 

1328
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:43,700
seeing it in our local game 
store all those years ago being 

1329
01:23:43,700 --> 01:23:45,400
played. 
So and I heard that it had a 

1330
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:47,200
really good reputation as a 
really good system. 

1331
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:53,700
So, but yeah, it's well well 
worth the try, but, you know, 

1332
01:23:53,900 --> 01:23:56,700
it's all comes down to the time,
doesn't it? 

1333
01:23:56,700 --> 01:24:00,700
I mean, you've got to make 
choices about what you play, you

1334
01:24:00,700 --> 01:24:03,200
know, you're a dad. 
I'm a dad and both work full 

1335
01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:05,700
time. 
You've got a kind of take the 

1336
01:24:05,700 --> 01:24:08,400
games where you can get them and
then you've got to play what 

1337
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:13,800
everyone else around he's 
playing and, you know, Maybe 

1338
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:17,100
when we retire, we can try all 
these obscure rules. 

1339
01:24:17,100 --> 01:24:18,300
I don't know. 
But not now. 

1340
01:24:18,600 --> 01:24:23,500
Hopefully very soon. 
What a 7 is going to be in the, 

1341
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:25,200
yeah, that's right. 
Fingers crossed that you 

1342
01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:27,100
hopefully, my name is across me.
Yeah, yeah. 

1343
01:24:27,100 --> 01:24:31,300
Will be a bullet for you, then 
bring bring it with it, but, 

1344
01:24:31,500 --> 01:24:32,800
yeah, I think it was. 
You just gonna do what your 

1345
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,300
passion is, passions lie. 
I mean, in I'm interested in a 

1346
01:24:35,308 --> 01:24:37,800
lot of the modern stuff, even 
though make many people might 

1347
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:41,800
think that, you know, I'm not 
but even two fat ladies, they're

1348
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:43,500
sort of darker. 
A judge rules are brought out 

1349
01:24:43,500 --> 01:24:44,800
now. 
I'm quite interested in giving 

1350
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:49,800
those ago to sympathizers. 
I think it's a pretty simple to 

1351
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:51,600
see. 
I think that those set of rules 

1352
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,200
they have like a car mechanic to
in it, which I quite like, and I

1353
01:24:54,208 --> 01:24:58,400
like those guys, I like, I like,
the people behind the, the game 

1354
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,700
system, the people of the 
creators, like, which Clark, and

1355
01:25:00,700 --> 01:25:03,000
that kind of thing, they really 
good people. 

1356
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,600
So yeah, I think he produces a 
really good games. 

1357
01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:08,000
I think there's a lot of good 
guy, play A Song of Ice and 

1358
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,300
Fire. 
If I can get a game in, I'll 

1359
01:25:09,300 --> 01:25:12,500
play it, and it's another see, 
the rules for that, they good. 

1360
01:25:12,900 --> 01:25:16,700
Yeah, they're really good. 
It mean if you really wanted one

1361
01:25:16,700 --> 01:25:19,600
a fantasy kick, I mean, that's 
the closest thing you're going 

1362
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:25,100
to get to it in a sort of modern
style tabletop wargame, right? 

1363
01:25:25,500 --> 01:25:28,600
The Miniatures are all plastic, 
they're all you know obviously 

1364
01:25:28,700 --> 01:25:31,100
you know 3D design but they're 
still nice, they're nice to 

1365
01:25:31,100 --> 01:25:35,500
paint. 
Good details, really good type 

1366
01:25:35,500 --> 01:25:37,400
rule set. 
That's it's like a living rule 

1367
01:25:37,400 --> 01:25:41,300
book so that they're sort of 
giving updates online. 

1368
01:25:41,300 --> 01:25:44,600
So you don't have to buy a new 
The game basically you can just 

1369
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,400
just get the the app which is 
free on your phone, or tablet, 

1370
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:50,400
or whatever. 
But yeah, it's a good game and 

1371
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,500
you know, that's how we sort of 
got back into one more fantasy 

1372
01:25:52,500 --> 01:25:57,000
through that, right? 
And it's but you know, in its 

1373
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:58,600
own right. 
It's still a really, really good

1374
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:00,600
game. 
So yeah, there's a lot of good 

1375
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:05,000
modern equivalents out there, 
like frostbite, Frost grave and 

1376
01:26:05,500 --> 01:26:07,100
star, grave, and all this kind 
of stuff. 

1377
01:26:07,100 --> 01:26:09,100
It's sort of gotten. 
So these old Hammer kind of 

1378
01:26:09,100 --> 01:26:13,000
elements to it. 
But yeah, reskinned And you know

1379
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:14,800
what I mean? 
Absolutely. 

1380
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:20,700
I mean the other day me and my 
but rich and I we played a 

1381
01:26:20,708 --> 01:26:22,800
couple of games about Dragon 
rampant. 

1382
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:27,700
Oh yeah what's that? 
Like it's fun a lot of fun. 

1383
01:26:27,700 --> 01:26:33,400
It's very I do also work, 
somewhat generalized. 

1384
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:37,900
So you don't have race-specific 
Army lists. 

1385
01:26:37,900 --> 01:26:41,400
You've got for example Elite 
Cavalry. 

1386
01:26:41,900 --> 01:26:46,400
And Elite Cavalry have the same 
stats regardless of whether 

1387
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:51,700
they're human goblins Orcs or 
whatever because the idea is 

1388
01:26:51,700 --> 01:26:53,900
Elite Cavalry user is Elite 
Cavalry. 

1389
01:26:54,300 --> 01:26:56,700
And I mean if you want to 
represent the difference you can

1390
01:26:56,700 --> 01:26:59,100
put more or less Miniatures on 
the table. 

1391
01:26:59,100 --> 01:27:04,600
So for example, if you had Ali 
tretonin, Cavalry, you might but

1392
01:27:04,700 --> 01:27:09,700
six mounted Knights down, but if
you wanted Elite Goblin care, or

1393
01:27:09,700 --> 01:27:13,700
you might put 12 wolfed Riders 
down to represent the lower 

1394
01:27:13,700 --> 01:27:18,600
quality, but, you know, each 
unit has the same amount of, you

1395
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:24,600
know, wound or health points, 
and they also have randomized 

1396
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:33,600
activation, and anytime you want
to move a unit or Get a unit to 

1397
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:38,700
perform an action, you have to 
roll over a certain number and 

1398
01:27:38,700 --> 01:27:43,200
if you don't get that number you
lose initiative and it passes to

1399
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:46,800
your opponent's. 
So, you know, choosing to 

1400
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:51,900
activate specific units with a 
higher, activation roles of 

1401
01:27:51,900 --> 01:27:56,800
risk. 
It's safer to choose the easier 

1402
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:00,000
to activate unit. 
So there's that tactical element

1403
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:03,200
of it. 
And it kind of Nicely represents

1404
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,500
the fog of War. 
You don't know what's going to 

1405
01:28:05,500 --> 01:28:07,300
happen. 
You don't know how long you've 

1406
01:28:07,300 --> 01:28:10,500
got Initiative for. 
I mean, some people find it a 

1407
01:28:10,508 --> 01:28:14,600
bit too generalized because of 
the lack of race specific. 

1408
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:17,400
I mean this but I really like 
it. 

1409
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:19,800
I recommend it is well worth a 
try. 

1410
01:28:20,700 --> 01:28:23,200
Okay. 
Well I don't know if we've ever 

1411
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,700
breached the subject before but 
I play a lot of remote gaming 

1412
01:28:25,900 --> 01:28:28,200
and since of a special lot of 
people plants a lot. 

1413
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,900
Yeah and that's like doing war 
games and that kind of stuff. 

1414
01:28:32,100 --> 01:28:34,900
Remotely with people all around 
the world. 

1415
01:28:35,300 --> 01:28:39,400
So what we should do, you know, 
we should play remotely at some 

1416
01:28:39,400 --> 01:28:41,400
point because we're in Japan, 
perfect time zone. 

1417
01:28:41,400 --> 01:28:44,000
We can't complain about that. 
Absolutely. 

1418
01:28:45,700 --> 01:28:48,600
And if you get a Sunday free, 
let's get, let's get some games 

1419
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:50,500
in. 
Might use either I set up here 

1420
01:28:50,500 --> 01:28:54,300
or you sit up there and we need 
this camera and that's it. 

1421
01:28:54,300 --> 01:28:55,800
That's all you need. 
You know, that's all you need 

1422
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:57,000
and you got Zoom. 
That's all you need. 

1423
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:01,900
Might use have it like a good 
view of the table the person. 

1424
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:06,100
On the gas side, has their dice 
make all the roles and you just 

1425
01:29:06,100 --> 01:29:07,500
move all the Miniatures and 
that's it. 

1426
01:29:07,700 --> 01:29:09,100
I've had some great success with
it. 

1427
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:13,400
Yeah, well, I mean, a lot of 
people I know have been using a 

1428
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:20,300
tabletop simulator app or yeah, 
digitally. 

1429
01:29:20,300 --> 01:29:22,000
That's like playing a game 
digitally. 

1430
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:23,900
Yeah. 
Yeah, try that one at all. 

1431
01:29:24,300 --> 01:29:28,000
I don't have tabletop simulator,
right? 

1432
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:33,100
I'm interested in it. 
But then I'm thinking, yeah, it 

1433
01:29:33,100 --> 01:29:35,400
would be easy because the all 
the set up time and all that 

1434
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:37,800
kind of things taken out of the 
equation than, you know, be more

1435
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:41,100
time, down or time for gaming. 
But then I love, you know, 

1436
01:29:41,100 --> 01:29:42,800
painting and moving ministers 
around. 

1437
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:47,600
So it's kind of like it's the 
analog style for me that I 

1438
01:29:47,608 --> 01:29:50,600
prefer. 
Yeah, well, I completely agree 

1439
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:56,200
with you. 
I mean, you know, I I like 

1440
01:29:56,200 --> 01:30:01,800
buying Miniatures and painting 
them and Playing games is a way 

1441
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:04,400
of justifying the money that I 
spend on Miniatures. 

1442
01:30:04,700 --> 01:30:08,600
Yeah, you know. 
So actually gaming with them, is

1443
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:12,900
kind of secondary to buying 
them, modeling them and painting

1444
01:30:12,900 --> 01:30:22,200
them. and, you know, playing 
games is kind of like The. 

1445
01:30:23,900 --> 01:30:28,600
Medium for social interaction 
and communication. 

1446
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:34,200
I mean when I game I like to 
drink, I like to chat and you 

1447
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:37,000
know, again that I could finish 
in two hours I'll happily spend 

1448
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:40,900
6 hours playing if it means, I 
can shoot this shit. 

1449
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:45,200
Have a few beers, eat some 
snacks to me. 

1450
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:49,700
Gaining should be a social event
gaming, shouldn't be for me. 

1451
01:30:49,700 --> 01:30:53,900
The, the actual ultimate goal. 
The ultimate goal is, Spending 

1452
01:30:53,900 --> 01:30:57,800
time with my friends and gaming 
is just the medium of which we 

1453
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:01,700
do that. 
So, yeah, I mean purely digital 

1454
01:31:01,700 --> 01:31:04,600
gaming. 
As far as tabletop stuff is 

1455
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:06,300
concerned, doesn't really appeal
to me that much. 

1456
01:31:06,700 --> 01:31:10,700
Hmm. 
But, you know, give him the 

1457
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:14,300
current situation, maybe that's 
the only option for a lot of 

1458
01:31:14,308 --> 01:31:15,800
people. 
Yeah, it was good. 

1459
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:19,400
That PS4's, you know, being out 
of the moment at the minute and 

1460
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:22,200
it's probably putting that 
pre-orders A PS5 down. 

1461
01:31:23,300 --> 01:31:25,900
I don't blame ya. 
When was the last time you 

1462
01:31:25,900 --> 01:31:27,800
actually rolled dice with 
someone in person? 

1463
01:31:29,300 --> 01:31:33,300
Very recently, was in Golden 
week. 

1464
01:31:33,300 --> 01:31:37,600
I went down to cassia and played
second edition, 40K with Paul 

1465
01:31:37,700 --> 01:31:39,900
all and made him a call and when
John. 

1466
01:31:39,900 --> 01:31:43,300
Yeah so we do it regularly might
we do it once a month. 

1467
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:45,800
Lovely stuff. 
Yeah. 

1468
01:31:45,900 --> 01:31:52,500
And the other stuff I rolled 
dice with remotely and you were 

1469
01:31:53,500 --> 01:31:55,500
on the subject of second 
edition. 

1470
01:31:55,500 --> 01:31:57,100
Are you painted up those mad 
boys? 

1471
01:31:57,100 --> 01:32:03,000
I think I've paid up one that 
you to send me a mad boy, you 

1472
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,600
can send him a boy. 
You send me a free food. 

1473
01:32:08,500 --> 01:32:11,700
Dude. 
You sent me a bad moon. 

1474
01:32:11,900 --> 01:32:15,100
I think was a bad moon knob. 
I paid him up. 

1475
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:18,400
And so, did. 
It was Bloody good me. 

1476
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:19,900
Well done. 
Yeah, thank you. 

1477
01:32:19,900 --> 01:32:21,500
And yeah, I paid it up. 
I paid. 

1478
01:32:21,500 --> 01:32:24,400
I paid up 1,000 points of bad 
moon so far. 

1479
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:30,100
Okay. 
Bye trades. 

1480
01:32:30,100 --> 01:32:33,300
Confused. 
Yes you sent him an evil, 

1481
01:32:33,300 --> 01:32:36,000
something wrong stuff. 
Yeah, now you send me a little 

1482
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:39,600
wolf stuff and that's right. 
That's right. 

1483
01:32:40,700 --> 01:32:43,200
A bloody would have one of that 
that bad moon stuff yet. 

1484
01:33:23,200 --> 01:33:25,700
Yeah, that's him. 
Next is to a garden. 

1485
01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:30,500
That's a 40K skull Garden. 
Are you sure it's not Gardens a 

1486
01:33:30,500 --> 01:33:33,400
stomper sorry store for us? 
Going to say, Stompers the Epic 

1487
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:35,000
scale. 
Like the miniature miniature 

1488
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:36,500
Garden type thing. 
Yeah. 

1489
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:39,000
They'd like a tin box which is 
small at the smallest one. 

1490
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:42,400
Then I had the stomper than they
had the like the the slasher 

1491
01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:44,400
garden and the mcboyd gargan. 
Yeah. 

1492
01:33:44,500 --> 01:33:46,400
Cool. 
The the tap made sense. 

1493
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:48,700
Yeah. 
The tin box were the ones based 

1494
01:33:48,700 --> 01:33:51,300
around their enemies. 
So I got the old our team but 

1495
01:33:51,300 --> 01:33:54,900
Space Marines is not squatting 
but yeah, yes, that's right. 

1496
01:33:55,100 --> 01:33:56,700
Yeah, cool. 
Okay, let's go. 

1497
01:33:56,900 --> 01:33:58,200
I didn't know they had that. 
Okay. 

1498
01:33:58,300 --> 01:34:00,800
Nice. 
Yeah, so that guy's actually the

1499
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:03,200
pilot for this, right? 
Okay. 

1500
01:34:03,300 --> 01:34:04,700
And it's good. 
They've gone to more of the 

1501
01:34:04,700 --> 01:34:09,100
rounded shape plates rather than
the square bulky slapped on 

1502
01:34:09,100 --> 01:34:10,700
bolted, on. 
Kind of look, which I don't, 

1503
01:34:10,700 --> 01:34:23,500
particularly, like, 
Because I just love big Stompy 

1504
01:34:23,500 --> 01:34:27,000
robots. 
Yeah, killer cans. 

1505
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:31,000
Have got dreadnoughts. 
I've got a mega dread from the 

1506
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:33,600
Forge, World one. 
Mmm, again, I've got the 

1507
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:37,500
stomper. 
So I've got basically, at least 

1508
01:34:37,500 --> 01:34:41,000
one of everything each size, 
hmm. 

1509
01:34:43,700 --> 01:34:45,700
Have you seen this one from Ford
world? 

1510
01:34:46,400 --> 01:34:52,800
Now my Oh okay. 
Cool. 

1511
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:58,000
That's him next to a rogue 
Trader Dreadnaught. 

1512
01:34:58,200 --> 01:34:59,200
Wow. 
Okay. 

1513
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:02,500
So he's a big boy. 
Yeah I take it the head rules 

1514
01:35:02,500 --> 01:35:03,800
for these these things. 
Yeah. 

1515
01:35:03,900 --> 01:35:07,000
And their books and that kind of
thing that brought out Yeah. 

1516
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:10,300
Yeah, they did. 
But I mean, I've not actually 

1517
01:35:10,300 --> 01:35:16,800
played a game of 40K using Games
Workshop rules for, he's about 

1518
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:23,600
four or five years, right. 
Have you ever come across one 

1519
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:27,600
page 40K? 
No, no, I haven't. 

1520
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:34,200
But this guy, he basically came 
out with a really condenser 

1521
01:35:34,300 --> 01:35:39,400
rules for playing modern style 
40K, you know, huge armies. 

1522
01:35:39,600 --> 01:35:41,200
Yeah. 
And he condense them down to 

1523
01:35:41,208 --> 01:35:46,400
that one page of a 4. 
And then you've got your army 

1524
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:52,200
lists and me and my mates have 
basically being playing that to 

1525
01:35:52,200 --> 01:35:55,000
get our four-week, a full-size 
armies on the board. 

1526
01:35:55,000 --> 01:36:00,200
Because, you know, if you want 
to play modern style 40K, you 

1527
01:36:00,200 --> 01:36:02,800
need at least, you know, for 
books before you can put 

1528
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:07,400
anything on the table and, you 
know, it's It's more effort than

1529
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:10,100
willing to put in. 
I mean, it's great for younger 

1530
01:36:10,100 --> 01:36:12,700
guys, maybe. 
But you know, not not for us 

1531
01:36:12,708 --> 01:36:15,000
Oldies, But was too. 
But I've got the answer for you 

1532
01:36:15,008 --> 01:36:18,100
back and you probably you 
probably see this coming. 

1533
01:36:18,100 --> 01:36:20,600
But epic epic space met my 
friend. 

1534
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:22,900
It's what everything. 
It covers everything you have 

1535
01:36:22,900 --> 01:36:25,000
mass battles. 
You've got all the vehicles you 

1536
01:36:25,008 --> 01:36:26,900
could ever dream of that. 
They've never even probably 

1537
01:36:26,900 --> 01:36:29,900
produced with you. 
And you can have all the fun of 

1538
01:36:29,900 --> 01:36:32,300
all the flavor, the rules 
contained in one, very small 

1539
01:36:32,300 --> 01:36:39,500
booklet of rules and yet, Big 
scale game animal and written 

1540
01:36:39,500 --> 01:36:42,100
by, you know, Jarvis Johnson as 
well. 

1541
01:36:42,300 --> 01:36:46,200
Yeah, yeah yeah yeah. 
I mean the man knows his way 

1542
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:48,400
around a set of rules. 
Yeah. 

1543
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:52,500
Yeah I've never played epic. 
I mean, if any blood balls 

1544
01:36:52,500 --> 01:36:56,600
anything to go by the man's a 
genius, in my opinion, well 

1545
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:59,100
actually three of them getting 
three of my most loved games or 

1546
01:36:59,100 --> 01:37:03,200
Games Workshop. 
Space mean, epic blood bowl and 

1547
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:05,400
advanced. 
He requests or written by him. 

1548
01:37:08,900 --> 01:37:15,900
Knows how to write rules. 
You know that blood bowl is so 

1549
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:20,800
simple. 
It's, you know, you can pick it 

1550
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:27,200
up in an, in an afternoon but 
it's so tactical and the 

1551
01:37:27,200 --> 01:37:32,000
turnover phase and, you know, I 
mean, it gets a little 

1552
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:34,000
complicated when your team 
progresses. 

1553
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:37,700
But you know, as your team's 
progressing and gaining more 

1554
01:37:37,700 --> 01:37:40,700
skills, you're gaining more 
gaming experience. 

1555
01:37:40,700 --> 01:37:45,500
So you You grow as a player as 
your team grows so it's not 

1556
01:37:45,500 --> 01:37:49,600
really an issue. 
Yeah blood or was an amazing set

1557
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:50,700
of rules. 
Yeah. 

1558
01:37:50,700 --> 01:37:53,700
Absolutely. 
Did you see that guy who posed 

1559
01:37:53,700 --> 01:37:56,200
up in Japan here? 
But a few months ago, like the 

1560
01:37:56,200 --> 01:38:00,900
first edition set, by the box, 
set on the trade group for 100 

1561
01:38:00,900 --> 01:38:02,800
bucks. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1562
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:23,200
This is gonna sound. 
Horrible, legionaries is from 

1563
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:26,000
South America, but I don't 
remember which country nice guy 

1564
01:38:26,300 --> 01:38:32,200
loves terrain and loves tanks. 
So, yeah, we ended up trading I 

1565
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:36,300
think I sent him some 40K tanks 
and I ended up getting some 

1566
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:40,600
nekron stuff and some tyranids 
stuff off him. 

1567
01:38:40,900 --> 01:38:43,900
I was very tempted, very very 
tempted to get that first 

1568
01:38:43,900 --> 01:38:48,400
edition of blood Bowl but mean 
my understanding. 

1569
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:52,600
And my, if my memory is Correct.
The first edition of blood Bowl 

1570
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:57,100
was basically based around the 
Warhammer rules. 

1571
01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:00,800
All the players have the same 
stats that is will have a 

1572
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:04,300
counterparts and he was only 
from the second edition onwards 

1573
01:39:04,300 --> 01:39:07,100
it really became blood bowl that
we know. 

1574
01:39:07,500 --> 01:39:10,000
Yeah. 
So that's what kind of put me 

1575
01:39:10,000 --> 01:39:12,500
off because I thought it's a 
nice object to have. 

1576
01:39:13,700 --> 01:39:19,500
But I'm not going to really use 
it and yeah I'm a player and 

1577
01:39:19,500 --> 01:39:25,000
painting or collector. 
So I didn't end up going for it,

1578
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:31,200
but yeah, I think it was pretty 
pretty different in this first 

1579
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:35,800
iteration competitive wanted but
no ministers, one thing and 

1580
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:37,600
Headliners cardboard, standings 
and me. 

1581
01:39:38,900 --> 01:39:42,400
They did have Miniatures. 
Oh, really but, but knowing the 

1582
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:44,200
game. 
You have to buy them separately.

1583
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:48,300
Uh-huh. 
They had some fun. 

1584
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:51,900
Goddamn it look like there were 
metal Miniatures for the very 

1585
01:39:51,900 --> 01:39:56,900
first edition of blood Bowl. 
I think they had literally that 

1586
01:39:56,900 --> 01:40:00,900
one miniature for each race. 
You couldn't buy a whole time 

1587
01:40:00,900 --> 01:40:04,400
during okay, that sounds that 
sounds like it was back in the 

1588
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:07,300
early 80s like me days or yeah. 
Yeah, came in. 

1589
01:40:07,300 --> 01:40:11,200
Well, I mean, you remember I 
went Trader came out for the 

1590
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:15,900
Dark, Eldar on dark space elves.
It was literally one minute jr. 

1591
01:40:15,900 --> 01:40:17,700
Had. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1592
01:40:18,900 --> 01:40:23,000
So, yeah. 
It kind of fit in with how they 

1593
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:24,800
used to produce managers back in
the day. 

1594
01:40:29,900 --> 01:40:34,100
You know, are there we go. 
So I load this up to the screen.

1595
01:40:34,100 --> 01:40:35,900
Might be able to see it. 
All right. 

1596
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:39,600
Oh yeah. 
Wow. 

1597
01:40:40,100 --> 01:40:42,800
That was that first edition 
blood Bobgoblin. 

1598
01:40:43,100 --> 01:40:46,700
Okay. 
Wonderful. 

1599
01:40:47,100 --> 01:40:48,900
I've never seen it before. 
Yeah. 

1600
01:40:48,900 --> 01:40:50,900
Yeah. 
I mean they had literally a 

1601
01:40:50,900 --> 01:40:55,800
handful of them but then once of
second edition came out, they 

1602
01:40:55,800 --> 01:40:58,800
produced teams for all the 
races. 

1603
01:40:59,900 --> 01:41:03,100
I'm a big big fan of the second 
edition, blood bomb. 

1604
01:41:03,100 --> 01:41:07,300
Initials, I think there's some 
of the coolest Miniatures GW 

1605
01:41:07,300 --> 01:41:10,600
ever made. 
What, I think the biggest? 

1606
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:13,200
I mean, the big thing, the big 
difference between the second 

1607
01:41:13,200 --> 01:41:21,100
and third editions, was that 
when you go, that's right. 

1608
01:41:30,500 --> 01:41:34,900
Teams had race specific 
positions. 

1609
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:43,200
Dark Elves. 
Had a sassy scenes and Dwarves 

1610
01:41:43,200 --> 01:41:48,800
had a sort of skeleton, Undead 
had white mummies, but in the 

1611
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:52,700
second edition, all the teams. 
Have the same positions yet like

1612
01:41:52,700 --> 01:41:53,900
a door. 
Flying man. 

1613
01:41:53,900 --> 01:41:58,600
An elf lineman, a human lineman 
and then dwarf blocker elf. 

1614
01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:05,000
Blocker humor blocker. 
And they looked like they were 

1615
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,300
actually wearing sports specific
gear. 

1616
01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:10,300
Yeah. 
Yeah, whereas by the time you 

1617
01:42:10,300 --> 01:42:14,200
got to Third In addition, it was
like they basically take and 

1618
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:17,900
Warhammer fantasy battle 
Miniatures and just clipped off 

1619
01:42:17,900 --> 01:42:19,100
the weapons. 
Yeah. 

1620
01:42:20,900 --> 01:42:26,700
So I was living big fan of that 
so clearly you can see it. 

1621
01:42:27,500 --> 01:42:33,000
Ah that's an undead chant and 
didn't stop what my right, you 

1622
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:36,200
know, I guess human blocker and 
blocker. 

1623
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:36,900
Right. 
Gotcha. 

1624
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:40,500
Yeah, humans laugh way. 
It looks like Elvis. 

1625
01:42:43,300 --> 01:42:47,000
Yeah, that's nice. 
One more. 

1626
01:42:47,200 --> 01:42:52,600
And oh, yes, the classic. 
I'm gonna write stuff that you 

1627
01:42:52,600 --> 01:42:55,500
could, you vote to talk was 
scale, creep, look how small 

1628
01:42:55,500 --> 01:43:00,100
that ogre is next to human. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1629
01:43:00,100 --> 01:43:03,400
So yeah, I mean for me, blog 
post second edition Miniatures 

1630
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:08,100
are, you know, my my thing like 
I love them, absolutely love 

1631
01:43:08,100 --> 01:43:10,100
them. 
How many teams do you got now 

1632
01:43:10,100 --> 01:43:15,000
for second division night? 
Unfortunately, just the one I 

1633
01:43:15,008 --> 01:43:17,100
get of a football team but I 
sold it off. 

1634
01:43:17,600 --> 01:43:23,000
Cupid, Lee May 29. 
I do I didn't, if you're not if 

1635
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:25,200
you're not playing it you're not
putting on the table. 

1636
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:26,300
You think. 
What's the point? 

1637
01:43:26,300 --> 01:43:27,900
You sell it off and then you 
regret it? 

1638
01:43:27,900 --> 01:43:30,000
It's yeah. 
He's vicious cycle, isn't it? 

1639
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:32,000
Mission assignment? 
I know exactly where you're 

1640
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:38,200
coming from with that. 
Okay, okay. 

1641
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:40,600
Well, I think we might have to 
wrap it up mate. 

1642
01:43:40,900 --> 01:43:44,200
Unfortunately, because my little
boy is going to be dragging me 

1643
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:46,700
down stairs. 
Like some kind of goblin heard 

1644
01:43:46,700 --> 01:43:50,000
master. 
And yeah, yeah. 

1645
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:52,600
So thank you very much again, 
mr. 

1646
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:55,900
Forbush will definitely have you
back on the image again, mate. 

1647
01:43:55,900 --> 01:43:58,700
We're going to talk about why he
said all these alternative 

1648
01:43:58,700 --> 01:44:03,700
companies producing all these 
wonderful workin for us to 

1649
01:44:03,700 --> 01:44:06,300
enjoy. 
You know, old hammer or, you 

1650
01:44:06,300 --> 01:44:09,400
know, New Hammer, whatever it 
might be, but definitely have 

1651
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:11,100
you back on the right. 
So we can talk about that. 

1652
01:44:11,100 --> 01:44:12,800
So we can make that more aware 
than people. 

1653
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:15,200
Who don't know about, always 
wonderful companies out there. 

1654
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:19,200
Looking forward to Italy, but 
I've really enjoyed toy because 

1655
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:21,400
we've known each other. 
We've sort of communicated 

1656
01:44:21,500 --> 01:44:24,500
correspondent online, a lot, but
we've never actually talked to 

1657
01:44:24,500 --> 01:44:28,100
each other or surgery, so I 
think it really, isn't it? 

1658
01:44:28,100 --> 01:44:30,900
Yeah, it's been quite a few 
years might so yeah, thank you 

1659
01:44:30,900 --> 01:44:34,200
very much for taking the time to
come on and to do that. 

1660
01:44:34,300 --> 01:44:36,400
With us and it was being honest,
enjoyed it. 

1661
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:39,700
Like I've done my third glass so
that always means is the end of 

1662
01:44:39,700 --> 01:44:44,600
the show. 
Well, go downstairs. 

1663
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:47,300
Enjoy your dinner. 
Open another bottle and yeah, 

1664
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:50,900
enjoy your Sunday. 
May thank you very much. 

1665
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:52,700
Take it easy. 
Josh. 

1666
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:54,900
Okay. 
Thanks very much again. 

1667
01:44:54,900 --> 01:44:55,800
Take care. 
See you. 

1668
01:44:55,800 --> 01:44:55,800
Bye. 
Bye. 

1669
01:45:04,300 --> 01:45:06,300
Hi guys. 
Welcome back to the end of our 

1670
01:45:06,300 --> 01:45:08,900
podcast discussion. 
I hope that was enjoyable to 

1671
01:45:08,900 --> 01:45:11,000
listen to. 
It was really good to speak to 

1672
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:17,000
him and I really apologize again
for this, the style of the 

1673
01:45:17,000 --> 01:45:20,000
editing that I had to do in 
order to cut it down to a 

1674
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:24,500
reasonable length and also take 
out anything irrelevant. 

1675
01:45:24,500 --> 01:45:28,500
And now discussion that would 
have made it an enjoyable to 

1676
01:45:28,500 --> 01:45:32,300
listen to for you guys. 
So we'll have we'll have must 

1677
01:45:32,300 --> 01:45:34,000
have her back at some point in 
the future. 

1678
01:45:34,300 --> 01:45:35,900
Maybe we talk about blood Bowl, 
I don't know. 

1679
01:45:35,900 --> 01:45:37,700
We're he seems very passionate 
about it. 

1680
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:41,200
I'm really getting my swing back
into blood Bowl again. 

1681
01:45:42,700 --> 01:45:45,900
We've got a new Facebook page if
you want to go and check that 

1682
01:45:45,900 --> 01:45:47,500
out. 
I just started a couple of days 

1683
01:45:47,500 --> 01:45:50,800
ago and we're getting ready for 
a painting challenge. 

1684
01:45:51,300 --> 01:45:55,500
So to paint up our third edition
teams so go and check that out. 

1685
01:45:55,508 --> 01:45:58,400
If you have Facebook and you 
want to be part of a new 

1686
01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:01,000
community, that's an extension 
to the crown of command, of 

1687
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:04,000
course. 
Yeah, please go and do that. 

1688
01:46:04,100 --> 01:46:07,100
Go and search for blood ball. 
Third Edition, you'll find it. 

1689
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:11,600
And joining our discussion, 
share your team, share your 

1690
01:46:12,100 --> 01:46:13,800
games. 
I would love to see this. 

1691
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:17,100
I love, I love to see blood ball
feature on YouTube. 

1692
01:46:17,700 --> 01:46:22,400
There are there are maybe I 
think there's one. 

1693
01:46:22,500 --> 01:46:24,300
I think there's one video that 
I've seen. 

1694
01:46:24,500 --> 01:46:28,700
That's Michael Becker. 
That's at least a couple videos.

1695
01:46:28,700 --> 01:46:31,800
Will the old ones that he's done
sort of like a time-lapse kind 

1696
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:33,900
of thing with them. 
I would like to see Third 

1697
01:46:33,900 --> 01:46:36,900
Edition on YouTube, at some 
point because it is one of the 

1698
01:46:36,900 --> 01:46:38,200
all-time classic. 
Names. 

1699
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:44,700
Nothing to dishonor the second 
edition version of course, it's 

1700
01:46:44,700 --> 01:46:47,800
really close to people's hearts 
and I can understand that. 

1701
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:51,800
But yeah, Third Edition I think 
was the turning point in many 

1702
01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:55,600
respects, too many of Games 
Workshop games during the 90s, 

1703
01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:59,700
it sort of brought a new era and
ushered in a new fan, group of 

1704
01:46:59,700 --> 01:47:03,900
fans to love blood bowl. 
And it's still a course in 

1705
01:47:03,900 --> 01:47:06,900
existence today and its many 
iterations along the way. 

1706
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:09,100
But I don't, the game's changed 
that much. 

1707
01:47:09,300 --> 01:47:11,600
But yeah, so traditions where 
it's at for us. 

1708
01:47:12,700 --> 01:47:15,700
We love all the color and 
Splendor and all the 

1709
01:47:15,700 --> 01:47:18,000
funky-looking figures ugly or 
not. 

1710
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:21,700
But yeah, they're really cool. 
And yeah, we hope to bring blood

1711
01:47:21,700 --> 01:47:26,900
Bowl to our discussions either 
on the podcast or in video form 

1712
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:29,700
on YouTube in the future but 
there was a painting challenge 

1713
01:47:29,700 --> 01:47:31,200
if you want to get involved with
that. 

1714
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:35,500
You can contact me through my 
email if Facebook's not your 

1715
01:47:35,500 --> 01:47:39,400
thing. 
That's fine that's that The 

1716
01:47:39,400 --> 01:47:43,400
Chronic command at gmail. 
Sorry the credit command podcast

1717
01:47:43,700 --> 01:47:46,400
at gmail.com has really no more 
emails. 

1718
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:50,400
You know. 
Yeah email me and I will end you

1719
01:47:50,407 --> 01:47:52,700
know correspond with me that 
way. 

1720
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:56,000
Get your photos in or your team.
You got you got like a million 

1721
01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:59,100
gold. 
Crowns to spend on your team and

1722
01:47:59,100 --> 01:48:02,500
including your fan fact and 
re-roll counters. 

1723
01:48:02,700 --> 01:48:04,200
The reason why is that we want 
to have it? 

1724
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:06,300
Make a legit legitimate. 
Sort of starting team. 

1725
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:11,600
And then you paint that and 
hopefully you will use that team

1726
01:48:12,000 --> 01:48:15,200
in some kind of like 
International League. 

1727
01:48:15,400 --> 01:48:18,300
That's kind of the aim of what 
we're trying to do here. 

1728
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:23,300
Whether we can pull that off, 
that will take some doing, but 

1729
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:27,500
that will be wonderful to see. 
So hopefully we can do that. 

1730
01:48:27,500 --> 01:48:30,400
Guys. 
So thank you very much for the 

1731
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:33,400
support and everything along the
way, guys. 

1732
01:48:34,300 --> 01:48:35,900
The YouTube channel is stronger 
than ever. 

1733
01:48:37,400 --> 01:48:41,200
And at the podcast is, hopefully
growing a bigger and wider 

1734
01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:43,200
audience. 
If you want your, if you know 

1735
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:46,400
people who would be interested 
in what we're talking about 

1736
01:48:46,400 --> 01:48:48,200
here, please share it with 
people. 

1737
01:48:49,300 --> 01:48:53,000
Or please like the or please 
rate the podcast, I've never 

1738
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:55,700
mentioned that before and I'm 
I've never checked the ratings 

1739
01:48:55,700 --> 01:48:58,300
on the podcast. 
I have no idea how well it's 

1740
01:48:58,300 --> 01:49:00,800
doing on all the various 
platforms. 

1741
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:06,200
I get these strange emails from 
people wanting to promote my or 

1742
01:49:06,300 --> 01:49:10,100
you know they're asking for a 
fee for them to send me data and

1743
01:49:10,100 --> 01:49:12,700
that kind of thing I'm not 
interested just just share the 

1744
01:49:12,700 --> 01:49:16,000
podcast around. 
Share with people, you know, who

1745
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:18,200
would really enjoy this kind of 
content. 

1746
01:49:18,200 --> 01:49:22,100
Talkin about all these old games
and and that goes for the 

1747
01:49:22,108 --> 01:49:25,400
YouTube channel too because 
that's sort of growing as well, 

1748
01:49:25,400 --> 01:49:29,200
and that's really great to see. 
And I hope to bring better and 

1749
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:34,800
more polished content in the 
future to a few shoutouts, for 

1750
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:37,200
our people in the community. 
And I really want to keep this 

1751
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:40,900
going and make that more of a 
regular thing. 

1752
01:49:41,100 --> 01:49:46,200
Every time we have a podcast. 
If I see somebody new and we've 

1753
01:49:46,200 --> 01:49:50,900
got the, let me just have a 
quick look here. 

1754
01:49:50,900 --> 01:49:53,700
I scroll down through here. 
I don't want to get this ink. 

1755
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:55,700
I don't want to make a mistake 
here. 

1756
01:49:56,100 --> 01:49:59,500
So I've got the original old 
Hammer artwork Channel that's on

1757
01:49:59,500 --> 01:50:02,200
YouTube. 
They've got some fascinating 

1758
01:50:03,700 --> 01:50:06,600
well, obviously artwork from. 
He's got original artwork from 

1759
01:50:06,700 --> 01:50:09,600
the artists from Games. 
Workshop from back in the 90s 

1760
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:13,700
mostly, it's based must actually
most of its based in the 80s. 

1761
01:50:13,700 --> 01:50:17,600
I think Like really old, pull 
butter artwork, and that kind of

1762
01:50:17,600 --> 01:50:20,800
stuff really amazing stuff. 
John Blanche is work as well. 

1763
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:24,400
So a bit of a shout out to hand,
go and check out his channel, go

1764
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:26,200
and give him a like And 
subscribe. 

1765
01:50:27,100 --> 01:50:32,300
And they're, they're doing some 
really awesome stuff there in 

1766
01:50:32,300 --> 01:50:35,400
showcasing a lot of the old 
artwork that we loved back in 

1767
01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:38,300
the day and still love. 
And he's got some, he's got some

1768
01:50:38,300 --> 01:50:41,500
interviews from the 80s as well 
which is really fascinating to 

1769
01:50:41,500 --> 01:50:44,300
watch as well. 
So go and check those out. 

1770
01:50:45,500 --> 01:50:48,700
Who else have I spotted? 
What we've got Tom over at 

1771
01:50:48,700 --> 01:50:50,800
middle Hammer TV. 
He's uploaded a video. 

1772
01:50:50,900 --> 01:50:55,500
Now again as one, I can't 
believe he's got such a small 

1773
01:50:55,500 --> 01:50:58,400
amount of subscribers already 
but you're going to should go 

1774
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:00,200
there and check it out and 
that's Middle have a little 

1775
01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:03,000
Hammer TV and I'm sure Tom is 
working on other games systems. 

1776
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:07,200
I know he's doing the 40K 
challenge to the Cowabunga group

1777
01:51:07,200 --> 01:51:11,200
of guys there, so I'm sure 40K 
is going to be on his, his wish 

1778
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:13,700
list of games. 
He wants to Showcase with maybe 

1779
01:51:13,700 --> 01:51:15,500
his son or friend. 
Friends later in the future. 

1780
01:51:15,500 --> 01:51:19,500
But yeah, the quality of his 
videos are very high and they're

1781
01:51:19,500 --> 01:51:22,800
very enjoyable to watch. 
So if you like to see Tom face, 

1782
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:27,000
his son, Joshua, in games of 
Epic Space Marine, please go and

1783
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:28,800
check him out to. 
That's middle hand, the TV, 

1784
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:32,500
please go and give him a like 
give him a share, subscribe and 

1785
01:51:32,500 --> 01:51:34,300
help him and support his 
channel. 

1786
01:51:36,900 --> 01:51:39,300
They're the main to and of 
course the other one is the 

1787
01:51:39,600 --> 01:51:44,300
Warhammer as the war games 
Orchard and Nathan and the crew.

1788
01:51:44,300 --> 01:51:49,000
They're they're doing some solo 
kind of videos talking about 

1789
01:51:49,900 --> 01:51:53,100
various different races and 
units in the in the old world 

1790
01:51:53,200 --> 01:51:54,800
will bit of disappeared over 
time. 

1791
01:51:55,200 --> 01:51:57,900
They've been really cool too. 
So give them a like, and a 

1792
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:01,600
subscribe and share their 
content around as well. 

1793
01:52:03,300 --> 01:52:05,800
So that's probably the main 
news. 

1794
01:52:06,100 --> 01:52:09,200
The other one that I want to 
talk about is my life streaming 

1795
01:52:09,200 --> 01:52:09,600
up. 
What's up? 

1796
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:14,800
Come back to live streaming, 
maybe it's terrible to watch, I 

1797
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:18,600
don't know. 
The feedback is generally fairly

1798
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:21,000
positive. 
And some people really enjoy 

1799
01:52:21,200 --> 01:52:24,100
this format. 
So, we're sort of building up, a

1800
01:52:24,108 --> 01:52:28,000
little community of people there
that come along every Sunday, 

1801
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:31,700
every Saturday and Sunday. 
So tomorrow because I'm 

1802
01:52:31,700 --> 01:52:38,200
recording this now on Friday. 
So tomorrow that's Saturday the 

1803
01:52:38,200 --> 01:52:46,000
will be for me the 21st 22nd and
that's generally around about 11

1804
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:49,600
p.m. 
I go live on Saturday and again 

1805
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:52,400
on Sunday. 
And we just sit there for about 

1806
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:56,500
an hour and a half or whatever 
and we just talk and chat about.

1807
01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:59,800
Obviously it's just me talking 
but I'm reading comments on the 

1808
01:52:59,800 --> 01:53:03,900
feed and we just talked about 
painting. 

1809
01:53:03,900 --> 01:53:06,000
If people want to ask me 
questions or whatever and your 

1810
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:10,200
hobby kind of related, questions
I want to ask me or the people 

1811
01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:13,200
in the chat, you know, there's a
lot of really inform people 

1812
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:14,600
there. 
A lot of people with a lot of 

1813
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:17,700
experience and they can help 
people, so that's really good to

1814
01:53:17,708 --> 01:53:19,700
see. 
So if that's your kind of thing,

1815
01:53:21,400 --> 01:53:25,600
Come Along on a Saturday and 
Sunday, you'll probably see an 

1816
01:53:25,600 --> 01:53:28,700
announcement soon up on my 
channel to see, you know, I'm 

1817
01:53:28,700 --> 01:53:34,000
going to go live on such and 
such a Time on such a day for 

1818
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:36,500
some kind of paint. 
I think I might call it the 

1819
01:53:38,000 --> 01:53:44,100
booze and paint fumes weekends 
because I think the colonel on 

1820
01:53:44,100 --> 01:53:47,900
of one of my guys on the on the 
channel. 

1821
01:53:48,700 --> 01:53:52,000
We he said he quoted that one as
one of his comments. 

1822
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:53,800
I like that so much. 
I really want to see that on a 

1823
01:53:53,808 --> 01:53:57,500
t-shirt or on a mug or something
like that or we get to doing 

1824
01:53:57,500 --> 01:54:00,400
some kind of merchandise for the
crown of command. 

1825
01:54:00,400 --> 01:54:05,300
But yeah I think the booze and 
paint fumes sessions are quite 

1826
01:54:05,300 --> 01:54:07,600
cool so because I'm always 
drinking. 

1827
01:54:07,600 --> 01:54:10,000
Or something like that as I'm 
painting. 

1828
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:14,300
And so I think that sort of came
about nothing's quite a cool, 

1829
01:54:14,300 --> 01:54:20,000
quite a cool little title for 
something. 

1830
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:23,900
So yeah, come and join us for 
the booze and paint fumes or 

1831
01:54:23,900 --> 01:54:26,400
coffee and paint fumes or 
whatever, whatever it might be. 

1832
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:29,800
They're quite fun until then 
guys, take care of yourselves 

1833
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:33,900
out there please and and keep 
painting and doing your hobby 

1834
01:54:33,900 --> 01:54:38,200
and yeah, hope to see you in The
next one. 

1835
01:54:38,300 --> 01:54:39,400
Okay, take care. 
Bye bye. 

1836
01:54:37,600 --> 01:54:39,000
The next one. 
Okay, take care. 

1837
01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:39,400
Bye bye.