1 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,040 Hello, everybody, and welcome again to the Chronicle Med 2 00:00:12,040 --> 00:00:15,120 Podcast. Again, this is another live 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,360 stream, another great conversation. 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,920 It's a long one that goes over about two hours that I did with 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:27,440 my friend and patron Cody over there in the US and Tennessee. 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:32,720 And we had a great chat talking about his origin story and how 7 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:37,440 he got into the tabletop war gaming hobby and how he's still 8 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,720 involved with the tabletop game hobby. 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,360 So I hope you enjoy our conversation today. 10 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,800 He also has a YouTube channel called GM Cody. 11 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,800 And if you like, especially if you like RPG games and that kind 12 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:55,160 of thing, then you'll really dig what Cody does as he brings back 13 00:00:55,160 --> 00:01:00,880 a lot of nostalgia type games and modern games on his channel 14 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:05,040 for review. So if you think about one in the 15 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:10,240 first edition role play, Rd. Trader, the original Rd. 16 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:15,960 Trader book, Shadowrun AD and the 2nd edition, you know all 17 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:19,000 those kind of titles from back in the 90s. 18 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,960 So if you like that kind of genre of RPG and tabletop game, 19 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,800 as he does cover those as well on his channel, I would highly 20 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,760 recommend you go and check it out and and give him a like and 21 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:38,120 give him a sub if you can. So, and hopefully Cody will come 22 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,480 back after his break away from from the tube with some new 23 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,000 fresh content and some new fresh ideas and that kind of thing to 24 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,640 present for us. But in the meantime, you can 25 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:53,240 know all about Cody in this interview with him that I did on 26 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,560 YouTube as part of a live stream. 27 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,760 So you will have like, you know, questions that have been asked 28 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:05,680 during the course of the interview by our people who have 29 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,720 joined the stream. So just just to make you aware 30 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,720 of what you know, how this was, how this was recorded, and I 31 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:14,960 hope you've enjoyed the series so far. 32 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,120 If you have missed them on the YouTube channel, if you'd like 33 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,960 to see this in in a video format, preferably more than the 34 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,680 audio format, just head over to Chronic Command Games and on the 35 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,520 top there you'll see a live tab. Just click on that and it's got 36 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,560 all the live interviews I've done with all the various guests 37 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,000 that are brought in. Some you've heard before, some 38 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,080 voices you've heard before, and I've brought them back, which is 39 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,640 kind of the reason why I did the live streams, to have people 40 00:02:42,640 --> 00:02:48,280 come back onto the show and to have some interactivity between 41 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,680 themselves and the audience in a live format. 42 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,520 And I have to bring those back again in the near future as 43 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,040 well. So please stay tuned for that. 44 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,280 And but anyhow, guys, look, sit back at your paints, get your 45 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:09,400 models out, get your painting guides and enjoy our nostalgic 46 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,440 talk with GM Cody today. Until next time and please enjoy 47 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:13,920 listening. Yeah. 48 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,280 Hey Cody, how you going mate? Good. 49 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,000 How's it going, man? Very good of you to join us 50 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,840 mate, thank you so much. Good. 51 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:29,880 Thanks for having me. Yeah, absolutely. 52 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,640 Big fan of the channel. So it was. 53 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,760 It's an honor to come on and to, you know, talk to everybody and 54 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:38,600 talk to you. Oh, that's good mate. 55 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:40,120 Thank you. No, I really like you. 56 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,000 Oh, I don't know how I found you or how we got to contact each 57 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,520 other. Maybe you joined our discord. 58 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,520 I think you joined our discord and then you started posting 59 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,440 really cool Rogue Trader pics of your Harlequin army. 60 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,000 I think that's how we initially met. 61 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,880 Yeah, yeah, that's exactly it. Then I I've been jumping in the 62 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,000 paint and chat when I can and when I'm because usually every 63 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,160 other day I'm painting and I figured might as well jump in 64 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,320 there. That was the reason I joined the 65 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:07,880 discord is to join in the paint chat. 66 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,640 And yeah, it's been really cool to talk to all the guys there 67 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:15,520 and paint some miniatures and yeah, so yeah, I think that's 68 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,079 really how we got, you know, got to know each other a little bit. 69 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:19,640 We. Meet each other. 70 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,519 Yeah, that's really nice. It's good that you did it, mate, 71 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:22,840 because I'm. I'm glad you jumped in and did 72 00:04:22,840 --> 00:04:26,240 that because we found your channel and the nice stuff you 73 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,760 present there as well at GM Cody. 74 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:32,320 But a special shout out to sci-fi now sci-fi I met through 75 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:33,440 the week. He jumped in out of paint and 76 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,680 chat as well. And he lives all the way in 77 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:40,440 Newcastle and he asked about the live live stream this week and I 78 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,880 said I'm I'm talking to Cody in Tennessee and I said it's going 79 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,840 to be like really late for you because Oh yeah, I want I want 80 00:04:46,840 --> 00:04:48,920 to join. I said OK, so he, I think it's 81 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,120 like 2:00 AM in the morning there in the UK now. 82 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,120 So. Oh, wow. 83 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,400 Yeah. For sci-fi, we're coming in. 84 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,600 Yeah, that's awesome. Really happy to see. 85 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:58,960 And Chris is here. How you going, mate? 86 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:02,640 Chris is also in the States and I think Chris is trying to 87 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,800 organize a remote game with you, Cody, for Man of War or 88 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,600 something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 89 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,560 I really want to try out some Man of War and I'm really 90 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,880 interested to try out the remote gaming thing. 91 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,840 That's something I've never even thought about doing until I met 92 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:20,640 you guys, and it seems really interesting to do, so I really 93 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:23,040 want to try it out. Cool. 94 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,760 And Man of War is a game I've always wanted to play and never 95 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,160 really had a chance to to try out. 96 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,040 So yeah, looking forward to that whenever that can happen. 97 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:32,600 Awesome. OK. 98 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,720 So yeah, Crystal and it's good for you because you're in the 99 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,640 same time time zone. I think you're an hour 100 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,880 difference, something maybe between Chris. 101 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,280 And yourself? Yeah, he's Eastern Time and I'm 102 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:43,120 Central Time. Right, OK. 103 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,280 So it's good for you guys time wise to do that. 104 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,560 That's awesome. So I look look forward to seeing 105 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,680 that game. I'm free this week, Chris says. 106 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,360 He's he's desperate for somebody. 107 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:54,760 Well, we'll figure something out. 108 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,360 Yeah, it's. Kind of like a lonely hearts 109 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,960 Discord group, remote play thing or whatever. 110 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,000 So yeah, now Chris and Chris and Cameron are always looking for 111 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:07,440 people to show and play and give demonstrations on Man of War 112 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,080 because it's such a great game and I'm glad you guys want to 113 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,160 jump in and do that. So I think he did a game with 114 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:19,680 the Grognard and maybe you jumped in to check out what when 115 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:21,200 you were there. I don't know if you were there 116 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:23,280 at all, Cody, But yeah, we're watching that one through the 117 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:24,360 week. And that was really good 118 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:28,720 demonstration game again, because the Grog dad's got all 119 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,400 the stuff, all the Man of War box sets you could ever think 120 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,400 of. 80 plus miniatures, just I don't think had ever played it 121 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,400 or something. Maybe his uncle gave it to him 122 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,240 or something like that. So he's sort of rediscovering it 123 00:06:40,280 --> 00:06:41,600 and he's got the entire collection. 124 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,280 So that's really nice. Yeah, that's cool. 125 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,560 That's really cool. Yeah, so that's cool, mate. 126 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,120 So yeah, let's let's talk about, let's talk about yourself, Cody, 127 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:54,760 because you have a very cool video on your channel that I 128 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,160 watched this week about your origin story, how you got into 129 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,680 the hobby. But for people who probably have 130 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:02,920 never seen your channel or don't know much about you mate, would 131 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,160 you like to introduce yourself? Sure. 132 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,200 I'm Cody. I was raised here in Nashville, 133 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,280 TN. I'm still here in the Nashville 134 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:12,840 area. I was not born here. 135 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,800 I was actually born in East Texas and that's where all my 136 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:19,920 family's from is from Texas. But I, you know, I call myself a 137 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,480 Tennessee and I grew up here. You know, I still reside here. 138 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:29,000 So I'm a Tennessean. So I will start off before I get 139 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,600 into the origin story, which I love a good origin story. 140 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,560 That's one reason I really like your channel in the podcast is I 141 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,920 love hearing people's origin stories. 142 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,200 So hopefully people like hearing mine, but before I jump into 143 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:44,520 that, like I will say that I was a guy that was well primed to 144 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,800 fall in love with all this stuff right before I even discovered 145 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,280 role-playing games, miniature games, card games or any of that 146 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,720 stuff. I you know, so my dad was a big 147 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,560 history buff, right? And when I was about four years 148 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,680 old, we moved into the house that my parents live in still to 149 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,680 this day. And my dad, or I guess that was 150 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,880 about 3. And then when I turned 4, my 151 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,040 sister was about to be born and he converted one of the bedrooms 152 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,200 into his basically man cave, right? 153 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,360 It was his study. And he was a, he's a big lover 154 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,640 of history and he's a ferocious reader, right? 155 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,680 So he had this just library of books and he still does. 156 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,200 So he converted that room to basically be his library. 157 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,640 And he's a Carpenter. And that's why I'm a Carpenter. 158 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:36,880 And he built this, you know, just wall to wall library like 159 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,640 shelving all the way around this room and just filled it with 160 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,120 books. And so, but my sister was about 161 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,360 to be born when I was four years old and I needed my own room. 162 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,640 He realized, you know, I'm going to have to have my own room now. 163 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,720 So he gave up his man cave, his study or whatever, and gave it 164 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:55,720 to me. Well, that had a big impact on 165 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,880 me because he left all the books in there, right? 166 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,080 And so from a young age, I became really infatuated with 167 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,000 all this stuff that was in there and there. 168 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,200 It was mainly all. My dad does not read fiction at 169 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,000 all. You know, it's all history and 170 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,480 facts and knowledge. That's what my dad's always been 171 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,520 all about. He's never been a lover of 172 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,920 fiction like, like I am or whatever. 173 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,600 But that had a big impact on me because from a young age, I 174 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,760 would spend all this time that was my room filled with all 175 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,080 these books. And before I could even read, I 176 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,320 would open up all these books about the American Civil War and 177 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,120 Napoleon and the Aztecs and the Vikings and the Romans. 178 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,520 And I would just look at the pictures and especially the 179 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:35,800 maps. And a lot of those old books, 180 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,320 they also had a lot of, I remember specifically some of 181 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,760 these like really old books from the 60s and 70s would actually 182 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,360 have miniatures in them. You know, they'd have like these 183 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,320 dioramas set up in the in the books with like these miniature 184 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,320 like dioramas. And I was actually looking for 185 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:53,680 one of these books because I do have it and I couldn't find it. 186 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,520 So Needless to say, I became really infatuated with military 187 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:03,520 stuff, military history. And also my grandmother live in 188 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,280 Virginia. So every summer I would go up to 189 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,800 Virginia and spend the summer with her. 190 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,120 And I have a ton of cousins. I have a big family. 191 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,840 And basically all my cousins would come up there and my poor 192 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,600 grandmother would load us all up in her big cargo van and drive 193 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,640 us around Virginia, which is just loaded with American 194 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,600 history, right? So we would go to all these 195 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:27,600 Civil War battlefields and we go up to Washington, DC, and we 196 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,880 would go to all these, you know, Williamsburg and Jamestown and 197 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,960 all these places. I don't know if my cousins 198 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,600 enjoyed that stuff so much, but I loved it as a kid and 199 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,560 especially the battlefields, you know, So Needless to say, I 200 00:10:40,560 --> 00:10:44,240 became really kind of hooked on that military kind of stuff in 201 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,360 history and all that from a very, very young age. 202 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:52,280 And on top of that, I got I was in love with science fiction and 203 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,880 fantasy and all that from a very young age. 204 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,480 So, you know, I grew up like every all of us did, right, 205 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,800 watching Star Wars and Star Trek. 206 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,360 But I was also a big fan. And it was kind of unusual for 207 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,840 being a little kid of all these like black and white and, you 208 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,320 know, very early science fiction films from the 50s and 60s like 209 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,760 This Island Earth and Forbidden Planets and shows like Lost in 210 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,640 Space and, you know, the original Star Trek, which my 211 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,080 parents thought was real strange that, you know, a little kid 212 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:24,200 would want to watch this stuff. But anyways, you know, so and, 213 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,720 and I grew up with all the 80s films that we all love, right, 214 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,560 Like Willow and Legend and Blade Runner and, you know, the list 215 00:11:31,560 --> 00:11:33,640 goes on and on. Dark Crystal and the Labyrinth. 216 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,960 So I just loved fantasy. I love science fiction and I had 217 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,240 a great love of like history and military stuff. 218 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,360 So now we get into the origin story. 219 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,800 It actually, it's interesting because that origin video I did, 220 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,240 I didn't mean to make that video my origin story. 221 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,520 And you can notice if you watch the video, I'm actually going to 222 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,240 be talking about something else. And I ended up talking about my 223 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,800 origin story. But since I've done that, I've 224 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,480 actually had like started to think about it and had to go 225 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,720 back and really piece together my memories. 226 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:05,800 And I made some mistakes in that video. 227 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,640 And I think I've piece together the history sort of. 228 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,440 So I was 10 years old. I'm not that old by the way, I'm 229 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,400 only 37. So I was 10 years old. 230 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:18,760 This would been the fall of 1996, so I would have just 231 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:23,120 turned 10. I was entering the 4th grade and 232 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,160 I didn't, I didn't have many friends at all back then. 233 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,920 I had two friends, they were twin brothers and they lived 234 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:31,920 right across the street from me and I had known them since the 235 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,040 1st grade. And when I was in the 3rd grade, 236 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,520 they had moved across the street from me and that was the only 237 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:38,800 two friends that I had in school. 238 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,560 And we had a lot in common, you know, comic books and 239 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:45,920 superheroes and all that old science fiction stuff. 240 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,880 Like I was talking about. They love that too. 241 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,680 And, you know, so they, they were the two friends, the, the 242 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:54,800 only two friends I had. And they were not in my 4th 243 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:57,520 grade class. So I'm stuck in this 4th grade 244 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,440 class. I don't know any of these kids. 245 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,800 And it must have been really early on in the school year 246 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,960 because I can vividly remember not knowing anybody's names or 247 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,240 what was going on or anything. And I was a pretty awkward, shy, 248 00:13:10,680 --> 00:13:14,400 introverted kid. And, you know, so I'm like 249 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,200 sitting there, you know, doing whatever, probably not paying 250 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,880 attention because I never was. I think we were doing some kind 251 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,120 of like homework or test every, everything was quiet in the 252 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:27,280 classroom. And I saw this more awkward 253 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:31,520 looking kid with frizzy hair. And sorry, Andrew, by the way, 254 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,520 because he might be watching this, but he he was just a 255 00:13:35,560 --> 00:13:36,960 really awkward looking kid back then. 256 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,880 He was a little chubby, had really like this fro ish kind of 257 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:44,360 hair and just, you know, big glasses from what I remember. 258 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,440 And he just very, very, very stereotypical, like nerdy kind 259 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,840 of awkward kid. But I noticed he was flipping 260 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,800 through this magazine. I could just kind of see it. 261 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,200 He was maybe like three deaths up for me. 262 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,840 And I was really intrigued by this. 263 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,080 I mean, of course, like back then, as we all know, like 264 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,200 magazines were kind of a big deal, right? 265 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,800 You know, like, and if you're in school and somebody had a 266 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,200 magazine, no matter what it was, you kind of were interested in 267 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,360 what, what is this? But I could see there was just 268 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,000 something, something was going on there and I had to see what 269 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,280 it was. So I get up from my desk and was 270 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,200 asking, acting like I was going to go sharpen my pencil. 271 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:27,040 And so I passed by and he closes the magazine and I see this 272 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,240 cover now. It's the cover that you had on 273 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,640 your, on the like the, the thumbnail here, which is the 274 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:38,400 1994 Citadel Miniatures catalog. Now, actually the funny part is 275 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,960 I've talked to Andrew about this and he claims that he never 276 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:43,200 owned this catalog, never seen it in his life. 277 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,920 And so it might not actually have been that catalog. 278 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,880 It might have been a different one, but that's how I remember 279 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:50,920 it. So I'm going to tell it the way 280 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,560 I remember it. So either way, it was, it was it 281 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:58,920 had been between 1994 and 1996. It was one of those Citadel 282 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,440 miniatures catalogs. And he closes the cover and I 283 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,560 see this World Eaters Space Marine on it. 284 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:08,480 And it just blew my mind, you know, like I had never seen 285 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:12,000 imagery like this in my life anywhere right up to this point. 286 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:18,200 And so I was just like, yo, man, like I'm not exactly what the 287 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,560 words are, but, you know, I was like, what is this? 288 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,160 What, what, what is going on here? 289 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,800 He's like, oh, and he was really excited. 290 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,720 I, I remember that part. He's like really excited. 291 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,280 And he starts flipping through the magazine. 292 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,320 He's just going 100 miles an hour, you know, and it's like in 293 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,200 the middle of class too, you know, like we're supposed to be 294 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,240 doing Hobart or the reason. Oh, it's this great game. 295 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,520 It's called Warhammer 40,000. You know, it's in the 41st 296 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:39,960 Millennium. He's telling me all about it, 297 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,400 like, you know, as quick as he can. 298 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,120 And it's, he says it's a miniatures game. 299 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,000 And he he's like, you collect these little toy soldiers that 300 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,480 are metal and you have to, you know, you have to buy them and 301 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,040 collect them and put them together and paint them. 302 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:52,360 And then you build a battlefield. 303 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,000 And then, you know, there's, there's all these different 304 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,760 factions and all this stuff. And then the teachers like, you 305 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,760 know, obviously is like, hey, you guys are interrupting class, 306 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,400 go back to your desk, you know, whatever. 307 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,840 So I begrudgingly go back to my desk and I sit down and I could 308 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,240 not get my mind off this brief moment. 309 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,600 You know, whatever it was like maybe a minute or, you know, 30 310 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,280 seconds of what Andrew was telling me about this game, 311 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,160 apparently. And I was immediately just 312 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:23,480 hooked. I was immediately enamored. 313 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,120 I could, I could not think about anything else. 314 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,960 Everything was a blur. So luckily, you know, the rest 315 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,000 of the day, like whenever we were going on recess or lunch or 316 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:36,840 whatever, he would, I was like, you know, got right behind him. 317 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:38,600 I was like, dude, you got to tell me more about this. 318 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,800 So he starts telling me all about the lore and you know, he, 319 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:46,280 he knew all this stuff, right? Like, and Andrew was really more 320 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:50,320 into the lore in the history, like, you know, all that stuff, 321 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,240 like the stories more so than he was into the game, right? 322 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,720 Like he, he liked the idea of it as a game, but he really liked 323 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:02,040 the the art and the stories. And Andrew's still kind of like 324 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:05,520 that actually, even though he is still a gamer today and he plays 325 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,839 games. He really likes the aesthetics 326 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,599 and the stories and he's a writer too, so that makes sense. 327 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:15,040 And actually that probably was a big inspiration for him, you 328 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,599 know, being a writer, I think. And so he's telling me all this 329 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:22,240 stuff and I was like, man, this is, this is awesome. 330 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,920 You know, like I, I got to get into this and, you know, he's 331 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,280 telling me how to get into it. And we're like building an army 332 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:31,480 on like notebook paper and, and recess and doing all this stuff. 333 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:36,080 And we're actually like trying to, I, I remember actually like 334 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:40,680 trying to play it on like notebook paper, you know, like, 335 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,000 and we did, you know, we were just making up this little game 336 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:46,280 because we saw there was like a, there was a battle report in 337 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:48,920 either that one or maybe he had a white dwarf with him too. 338 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,120 Then when I saw a battle report, I was like, well, we can just 339 00:17:52,120 --> 00:17:53,920 play this like on a piece of notebook papers. 340 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,640 So I, I just drew out, you know, like, like it was a battle 341 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,440 report. And we were like, I just made-up 342 00:17:58,440 --> 00:17:59,960 some shit, right? We were just making up some 343 00:17:59,960 --> 00:18:02,400 rules. And then of course, the other 344 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,880 kids in the class became enamored with what we were doing 345 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,000 too. They're like, oh, whoa, you 346 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,320 know, what's this? And all of a sudden we had all 347 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:09,920 these other kids that were interested too. 348 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,960 Now, one of the other kids in class, within a short time 349 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,560 frame, I'm not sure, you know, whether it was like a day, a 350 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,080 couple days, a week or whatever. It was like, that's pretty cool. 351 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,800 I got something cool I'll bring to school tomorrow too. 352 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,880 If, if you don't mind that we were like, yeah, yeah, totally. 353 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,040 He said yeah, yeah. It's really cool. 354 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,840 I think it's a game. I'm not really sure. 355 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:36,560 So the next day he comes into class and he brings this, this 356 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,480 exact book. This was the Advanced Sons and 357 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,360 Dragons Monsters manual. And this also rocked my world, 358 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,760 right? And so I was like, whoa, this is 359 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,800 really awesome too, you know? And so I was like, yeah, it's 360 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:55,280 obviously a game. I don't know how it's played. 361 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,880 I was like, you know, I, I, I didn't understand any of the 362 00:18:57,880 --> 00:18:59,920 information in this book, but I could tell that there were, 363 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,360 there was statistics in here and all this stuff and information. 364 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,120 And I was like, hey, can I borrow this? 365 00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:09,280 And he's like, yeah. And so again, I just made-up 366 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,400 rules for this game. And I remember actually like, 367 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,200 writing out a whole game based on just this monstrous manual. 368 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,800 And I think I called it Castle Wars or something, and actually 369 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,320 wrote like a whole book and drew pictures, stabled it together. 370 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,000 And we were basically playing a role-playing game without really 371 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,080 knowing the rules of a role-playing game. 372 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,800 We weren't really playing D&D because we didn't know there 373 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,520 were like, other books and stuff. 374 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:36,200 Nobody had the other books. And at the same time, Andrew 375 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,760 tells me about this other game that him and his brother were 376 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,640 into called Battletech. And he's telling me all about 377 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,720 this game Battletech. So I got into all this stuff all 378 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,720 at the same time, you know, so I, I got into miniature games, 379 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,320 role-playing games, even card games like Magic the Gathering. 380 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,080 It was another one that he like, told me about. 381 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:57,880 And you know, so it kind of all happened at the same time. 382 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,920 Well me and Andrew started hanging out a lot and I started 383 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,920 going over to his house. Specifically his grandmother's 384 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,000 house, his parents were divorced and he spent a lot of time at 385 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:12,640 his grandmother's. So I would go over there on the 386 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,800 weekends and we would hang out and we would. 387 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,080 And his older brother was actually a gamer, right? 388 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,920 And his older brother was probably, he was probably two or 389 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:25,160 three years older than us. So at that time he would have 390 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,360 been like 12 or 13. And he was actually old enough 391 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,680 to actually understand, you know, how to play these games 392 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:36,560 and was actively playing them. And he actually had like, you 393 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,760 know, a Warhammer army, you know, a Warhammer Fantasy army. 394 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,840 And he had Battletech miniatures and he had role-playing games 395 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:48,120 and he had all that stuff. And so I was really fascinated, 396 00:20:48,120 --> 00:20:51,120 you know, because Andrew like to talk about it a lot, but Joe, 397 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,320 Joe, his brother actually played it. 398 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,520 And so I became kind of friends with Joe too, which was kind of 399 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,160 a story of my whole life. I always was hanging out with 400 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,200 the, the older guys, you know, I, I would hang out with guys my 401 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,760 own own age, but I also like was really into whatever the older 402 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,600 guys were doing. Still am, it seems. 403 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:14,520 And so, you know, Joe, Joe and me would hang out occasionally 404 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,000 and he would show me like his Warhammer Fantasy army. 405 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,360 And he had like this fully painted Beastman army, which is 406 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,960 thinking back on it, you know, he was 12 or 13 years old and he 407 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,040 had this full, you know, fully painted Beastman army. 408 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,960 And it was well painted. Like I, I still have some of 409 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,040 this miniatures hanging around. I can't find them. 410 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:37,000 And they're pretty well, pretty good, you know, like not, you 411 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,840 know, like they're, they're pretty good for, for the time 412 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,160 and for like a 12 year old. I was like these, you know, 413 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,520 these, these are pretty well painted. 414 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,680 He was actually like a really good painter and probably the 415 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:50,520 best I had seen, you know, up until, you know, I got to like 416 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,200 high school. I was like, you know, I, I 417 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,480 thought that he was like the best painter I had seen up to 418 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,360 that point beside, well, other than what you saw like in White 419 00:21:57,360 --> 00:22:01,560 Dwarf or whatever, right? And so me and Andrew would hang 420 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,040 out and we would, I would try to get Andrew to play some games 421 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,640 with me. And we did, we did play some 422 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,360 games, mainly role-playing games. 423 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:13,360 And we played stuff like, you know, Shadowrun, you know, we 424 00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:17,560 played this and I got that book, another role-playing game I got, 425 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,840 which I don't think Andrew played this with me, but the 426 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,280 twins across the street that I was talking about, it was like 427 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:27,160 Indiana Jones and we played the, the, the Star Wars role-playing 428 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,160 game. So, you know, I, I role-playing 429 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,680 games were kind of like my early Ave. just because I couldn't 430 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:38,320 afford as a kid to get a lot of miniatures, but I could afford 431 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:39,920 to get like a role-playing game book, right. 432 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,040 But that didn't stop me from buying miniatures. 433 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,200 You know, every once in a while I go to the store and, you know, 434 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,600 I think the main place we would go is Hobby Town USA, which it 435 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,000 was a big chain of hobby stores here in the US. 436 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,680 And I'm not sure if they're still around or not. 437 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,240 I think they're mainly all closed down. 438 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,400 There might be, there might be a couple open, but there's none 439 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,960 around here anymore. But that was the place that was 440 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,480 the closest place we could go. And they had a really big, a 441 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,760 really big gaming section. You know, they had like two 442 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,440 whole aisles of, you know, role-playing games and miniature 443 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,920 games. And they had one whole aisle 444 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,320 that was just dedicated to Games Workshop stuff, you know, So, 445 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,880 you know, that's where we would go and buy our role-playing 446 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,640 games and miniature games and all that stuff. 447 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,520 And so, you know, me and Andrew are playing games and stuff. 448 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:34,560 And I think the real first like war game we played was probably 449 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:39,440 battle Tech because that Christmas of 1996, Well, I, I 450 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,400 originally asked for the Warhammer 40,000 box set. 451 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:47,080 And my mom's like, no, you know, like you're, I, I don't know 452 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,240 why. I, I guess she was like, you 453 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,600 know, you're maybe like a little too young for that or whatever. 454 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:54,360 I don't really know. But she was just kind of like, 455 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,400 yeah, well, we'll wait on that. What else do you want? 456 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,880 And I said, well, maybe, maybe it's too expensive, I don't 457 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,800 know. But I asked for, you know, the 458 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,720 Battle Tech box said that was the next best thing. 459 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,800 So she got me the Battle Tech starter box. 460 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,840 I think it was the 4th edition. And it had just come out and it 461 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,840 came with two paper maps and a bunch of card standies, not any 462 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,400 miniatures, which I kind of got gypped because the previous one 463 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,400 actually came with all these, like, plastic miniatures, right? 464 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,920 But like, I didn't know the difference. 465 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:24,920 I didn't care. It was awesome. 466 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,880 And the cool thing about Battletech, well even today, but 467 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,320 especially back then, was that was a fully self-contained war 468 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,520 game. I think that was probably the 469 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,080 perfect war game for me to get into at the time because you 470 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,720 could get a lifetime of fun out of just that one box. 471 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,360 You didn't need to get anything else. 472 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,960 You know, it had everything you needed and it had tons of 473 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,320 options in there and you could expand outward. 474 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,360 And we did eventually, but I had years of fun just out of that 475 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:56,080 one box set. And so I would say Battletech 476 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,120 was actually the first proper war game that I like bought and 477 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:03,600 actually played. And, and I think it's actually 478 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,560 kind of crazy 10 years old that I actually knew how to figure it 479 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,920 out how to play Battletech. I, I think that just, and I 480 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,760 heard this on one of your podcast, actually, you were 481 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,600 talking to somebody about, you know, a lot of adults don't 482 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,360 think kids were able to learn complex games. 483 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,000 Are, you know, able to retain rules like that. 484 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,640 But I beg to differ because I did, you know, I was playing 485 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,680 battle tech and stuff at like 10 years old. 486 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,640 Now, we might have got some things wrong or whatever, but I, 487 00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:34,200 you know, we were playing like full games, battle tech on a 488 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,480 regular basis and having a, having a good time. 489 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,920 So anyways, we, you know, so from the ages of like 10 to like 490 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,080 12, that's pretty much how it went. 491 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,600 I, we did a lot of role-playing either one-on-one with me and 492 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,680 Andrew or maybe his brother. And occasionally like Joe would, 493 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,600 you know, play Warhammer with me. 494 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,440 He had some extra like stuff and we'd play. 495 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,760 And actually when I was the first like Games Workshop big 496 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,080 box that I got, I think I was, it was my 11th birthday. 497 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,880 This would been 97. I got the Warhammer Fantasy 5th 498 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,240 edition box set. The one there on your back wall 499 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,600 is the one I that was the first Games Workshop like product that 500 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,320 I got. And I remember going to get that 501 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,520 with Andrew. We went to the store and my 502 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:27,960 mom's like, OK, that's what you want. 503 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,080 So we went to Hobby Town and she said, you know, pick out what 504 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,560 you want. And I think originally I wanted 505 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,280 to get the Warhammer 40,000 box set, but they didn't have it. 506 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,320 And then I was like, maybe we'll get Blood Bowl instead. 507 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,200 And Andrew's like, I think Andrew talked me into getting 508 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,400 the fantasy box set. I was like, OK, let's get 509 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,720 fantasy. So I got the fantasy box set 510 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,840 immediately. We went home and we went to the 511 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,760 craft store first, actually. And I talked my mom into buying 512 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:58,960 a piece of, you know, just green felt that we could lay over the 513 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,560 kitchen table. I was like, oh, we got to have a 514 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,480 battlefield. And she's like, OK, so she takes 515 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,040 us to the craft store. I'm like, I need a four foot by 516 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,160 6 foot, you know, piece of, you know, whatever. 517 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,800 So, you know, we went to the craft store, got that and then 518 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,040 like immediately we get home and me and Andrew like hardly like 519 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,960 gluing together, you know, all the miniatures so we can play a 520 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,400 game of, you know, Warhammer Fantasy. 521 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,880 I'm like reading through the rules trying to figure this game 522 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:26,160 out and I don't we were, I, I remember us like trying to set 523 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,640 it up by the end of the day, but I don't think we actually played 524 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,320 a game that day. But we did eventually like play 525 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,360 a lot of games out of that box set. 526 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:37,680 And that was a fantastic box set and a very, very good entry to 527 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,720 the hobby. And it, you know, it came with 528 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,680 that little castle tower in the the Hut and it came with 529 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,640 basically everything you needed except for the magic system. 530 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,400 But there were no magic users in the box set. 531 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,480 So it was fine. And then eventually, like I took 532 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:59,160 that over to Andrew's place and Joe was really keen on, I think 533 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,360 me and Joe were playing, you know, with his Beastman and my 534 00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:05,240 like, I used the Bertonians and we were playing some little 535 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,800 games like that. And he has some Burtonian 536 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,560 miniatures. And he would give me, he gave me 537 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,560 some, you know, a few more figures to fill out my like 538 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,240 Burtonians that he, he just bought just a paint. 539 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,360 And he's like, well, I'm not going to use these here. 540 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:20,440 You have them, you know, and he gave me some more like 541 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,600 Burtonians so I could fill out the Burtonians. 542 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,760 And he's like, I really want those lizard men. 543 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:30,320 And I really hate these beast men because he, Joe would always 544 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,320 lose every game he played. Like he, he just like he, I 545 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,720 remember him like coming home from the game store and course 546 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,360 me and Andrew, like, you know, how did it go? 547 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,520 You know, how did the game go? And he's like, I got my ass 548 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,200 kicked and you know, it was terrible. 549 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,960 Like I hate these, I hate these beasts, but you know, and so 550 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,160 finally he's like, I'm really, I really like these. 551 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,520 I really like these. Like lizard man. 552 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,720 How about we make a trade for your lizard man for my beast 553 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,360 man, I'll trade you one for one, which was an amazing deal 554 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,720 because these were all base. Most of them were metal figures, 555 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,160 you know, and I think he just wanted to get rid of them and 556 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,960 wanted to try something new. So I traded him all the lizard 557 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,760 men for an equivalent amount of beastman. 558 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,640 So now I had like a a beastman army made-up of partly metal. 559 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,320 And some of them were like the Monopo's, you know, like 560 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,680 beastman warriors with the halberds or whatever. 561 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,880 But that that was a killer trade. 562 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,440 And that was my first, I think that was probably my first like 563 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,480 metal citadel models. And they were all painted too. 564 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:28,560 He, you know, he painted them all. 565 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,000 So, you know, I played out of that fantasy box set for a while 566 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,840 with Andrew and I tried to talk the twins in a plan 567 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,800 occasionally, but for the most part, like nobody was real hot 568 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,400 or in heavy on fantasy, you know, at being a kid that age. 569 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,680 So it was kind of hard to find like people to really get into 570 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,800 it. And so my interest in it didn't 571 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,840 dwindle, but I just couldn't find anybody my age that was 572 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,920 really that interested in playing. 573 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,800 Like Andrew would play occasionally with me. 574 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,680 Joe would play when he, you know, had time or whatever, you 575 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,040 know, when he wasn't hanging out with, you know, the cool kids. 576 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,040 And you know, like the twins weren't really into it. 577 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,640 They were more into the role-playing games. 578 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:17,040 So I was, by the time I got to 6th grade in middle school, I 579 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,920 wasn't really actively like playing war games, but I was 580 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,440 still, and I wasn't really, you know, I was role-playing, but it 581 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,520 was not real heavy. I didn't have like an organized 582 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,880 group or anything, but that all changed when I got to middle 583 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,400 school. So when I got to middle school, 584 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,080 I met this kid. Well, you had two choices in 585 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,960 middle school, right? You could join, you could be in 586 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,120 the gym class or you could join band. 587 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,800 So band sounded a much more appealing for a couple reasons. 588 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,640 One, I didn't feel like going to gym class and running laps every 589 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,240 day. But the other reason is I 590 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,000 wanted, I wanted to be a musician. 591 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,280 I wanted to play drums and so I was like, yeah, I'm going to I'm 592 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,160 going to take bands. So I took band on the on the on 593 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,680 the assumption that they could teach me to play drums. 594 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,680 I don't know what I was thinking. 595 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:09,120 So I get into band and short but funny story that's unrelated to 596 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,360 gaming. Like so I get into band and they 597 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,200 had like tryouts for to join the percussion section for a bunch 598 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,280 of 6th graders that never played anything. 599 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,640 Right. So this did, you know, 600 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,480 hindsight, I'm just like, what was this guy thinking? 601 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,520 Why would you try out a bunch of like 12 year olds? 602 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,800 You know, they'd never played an instrument in their life. 603 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,640 But anyways, we had tryouts. So I go in there and he gives me 604 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,520 a pair of drumsticks and he's like, you know, he plays a 605 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,760 couple like, you know, rudiments and tells me, you know, to 606 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,920 follow along. So I'm like playing along and 607 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,880 he's like, stop, stop, stop. He stops me real quick. 608 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,320 He's like, you'll never be a drummer. 609 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,240 You just don't have it. He's like, you know, go out 610 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,000 there, pick out another instrument that you like, but 611 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:49,920 you're not going to be a percussionist. 612 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,840 So I go outside and I look out in the band and I'm like looking 613 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,400 at all these instruments I really was not interested in, 614 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,040 like I, I wanted to play the drums. 615 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,440 That's what I joined band 4. So I'm, I'm like looking around, 616 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,920 like sleeping the band class and I see this really weird looking, 617 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,320 twirly looking horn. It was a French horn and there 618 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,840 was only one kid that was playing it, another awkward 619 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,200 nerdy looking kid. And so I was like, well, he 620 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:17,400 looks like my kind of people and that looks really cool. 621 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,440 And I'm like, I want to play that. 622 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,440 And he's like, OK, yeah, you know, that's a pretty hard 623 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,680 instrument to play. But he's like, you know, there 624 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,960 we only have one French horn. It it'll be good to have 625 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,400 another. So yeah, you can play the French 626 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,040 horn. So I ended up playing French 627 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,280 horn. Now, the funny part is I 628 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,040 actually did become like a really good drummer and played 629 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:35,960 professionally and all this stuff. 630 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,040 And years later, I, I kind of got revenge on that guy. 631 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,640 Like my brother, when he went to middle school, I sent him one of 632 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,560 my demo tapes or one of my albums from one of my bands. 633 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,520 It was like, hey, tell him your brother Cody sent sent you this. 634 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:53,320 And you know, just just tell him I, I did actually become a 635 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,240 drummer. So that's another story in In 636 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,880 the Hole. But you know, that guy admitted 637 00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,760 defeat in the end. He was like, Oh yeah, you know, 638 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,200 tell your brother he was, you know, he did really well, blah, 639 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,720 blah, blah. So anyways, so I ended up 640 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:09,160 playing the French horn and I met this kid also called Andrew. 641 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,160 Different guy. And so me and this kid are 642 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,280 talking or whatever and, you know, for a couple weeks. 643 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,440 And of course, because we're, you know, we're band mates and 644 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,240 we're playing the same instruments that we're always 645 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,520 like communicating with each other. 646 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,600 And within a couple weeks he brings in AD and D book to class 647 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,800 and I'm like, holy shit. You know, like you're into D&D 648 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,560 and he's like, yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm into D&D and like, you know, 649 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,440 I play D&D and we got a couple other kids to play D&D and 650 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:37,720 stuff. He's like, hey, you know, you 651 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,960 should come, I'll see if you can come play. 652 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,360 You know, we got this group, we play every Friday night. 653 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,040 You should, you know, you should come hang out and play with us, 654 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,280 but you got to be invited to come, you know, like I, you 655 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:53,160 can't just show up, you know? So ANYWAYS, so I'm like, OK, 656 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,840 well, you know, see, you know, see, see what you can do or 657 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,040 whatever. So the kid that ran the group 658 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,960 was named Dustin. And Dustin was older than all 659 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,760 the rest of us. He was in the eighth grade and 660 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:11,239 we were in the 6th grade. And so Dustin was like, I, I've 661 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,840 been talking about all these people like they're the, the 662 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,080 worst dorks of all. But dusted was really the dusted 663 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,000 really was the icing on the cake. 664 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,360 I mean, he, he looked like that, that nerd from the John Hughes 665 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,480 films with the curly hair. You know what I'm talking about? 666 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,600 Like he looked just like that kid. 667 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,560 And he had this like bomber jacket that he wore every day 668 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,320 and he, he never put on deodorant. 669 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,840 So he smelled terrible. And he had these huge like 670 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,719 1980s, like, you know, 20 years out of date, you know, glasses 671 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,760 and just the whole deal. The only thing he was missing 672 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,800 was like the pocket protector, you know, so I had seen this kid 673 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,280 around, so I knew of him, but I didn't know him. 674 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,840 And so, you know, a couple weeks go by and we're I'm in computer 675 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,960 class and Andrew comes up to me, the other Andrew. 676 00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:03,520 And he's like, hey, you know, I talked to Dustin and he says, 677 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,600 you know, you can come play with us. 678 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,760 Like we need another player if you want to come. 679 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,480 Like we're going to play this afternoon. 680 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,360 I'm like, yeah, totally. You know, so I called up. 681 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,680 I, I, maybe I called my mom. I don't know if I did or not. 682 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,080 I, I really don't know. May, I probably just took off, 683 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,800 you know, to be honest, I don't really know. 684 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,480 But I will also say, you know, I hadn't mentioned this up to this 685 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,600 point. My parents were really not 686 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,920 excited about me being into any of this stuff Also, and that's 687 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,240 really worth noting. You know, I grew up in the South 688 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,520 and I was definitely a, a product, you know, the Satanic 689 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,280 Panic thing that was still going on strong here in the South in 690 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,960 the 90s. So my parents were not thrilled 691 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,760 at all with me being into D&D and match at the gathering and 692 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,520 battle, battle tech they didn't care about. 693 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,960 But Warhammer, they were kind of like, it's OK, you know, like 694 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,920 they, they weren't, they didn't really understand it. 695 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,600 My dad kind of understood it, but he's, you know, so they 696 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,600 weren't, they weren't like, they weren't completely turned off by 697 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,920 that, but they were, they were also kind of like uneasy about 698 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,440 it, you know, with all the demons and chaos and stuff. 699 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,720 But other than that, you know, I was like, Oh yeah, look at these 700 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:16,880 imperial guard and stuff. My dad's like, all right, you 701 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,160 know, that's all right. You know, So they, they were OK 702 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,160 with that. But so they weren't, they 703 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,880 weren't really too hot on me, like playing D&D and stuff. 704 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,160 But that didn't stop me. In fact, it probably just 705 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,720 incurred, you know, I mean, you know, when you're a teenager, 706 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,280 young teenager especially, and your parents tell you not to do 707 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,840 something, you know, you just want to do it more, you know, 708 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,400 and especially if it's something you're really interested in, 709 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,920 right, you just become more enamored and interested in it. 710 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,720 And I think that's actually part of the reason why I'm so 711 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:46,440 obsessed with it today, because it was kind of this forbidden 712 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,680 fruit. And so I took it all in. 713 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,480 Well, I took it as much as I could when I'm young. 714 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,680 And now that I'm, I'm an adult, you know, I can do what I want. 715 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,640 So it's just like, you know, I, I still, as I'm passionate about 716 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,400 it, as it was when I was young and probably more so now, I 717 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,360 probably appreciate it more maybe. 718 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,200 So anyways, that afternoon, like I walk to Dustin's house and 719 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,560 it's like a few miles, you know, the other cross, it's across the 720 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,560 Main Street on the other side of town that I'd never been to. 721 00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,560 And so I walk over there and we go to Dustin's house and we get 722 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:27,680 there and it was like the most stereotypical, you know, D&D 723 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,600 scene you could ever imagine. So we like go into his house. 724 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,640 It's like this very 1970s eighties kind of house. 725 00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:38,240 And we go down the stairs and I can already hear like, you know, 726 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,800 there's like, you know, clamoring going on down there. 727 00:37:41,240 --> 00:37:45,000 And there was this big old kitchen table, huge, huge dining 728 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,560 room table down there. And this massive basement that 729 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,480 has like wood panelling, a giant like floor TV, you know, like 730 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,600 one of those old like wooden TV's, like on the floor. 731 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,840 They had like a dartboard down there, a fridge. 732 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,200 And it was like dark and kind of dinky down there. 733 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:05,160 And, you know, so I was, you know, it, it it was it was great 734 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,040 for a bunch of teenage boys to go down there and have a place 735 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,880 to hang out. And it was it was a big space, 736 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,320 too, you know, it was a big space almost the size of the 737 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:18,160 rest of the house, you know. So I get down there and 738 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,240 introduce myself and Dustin's like, hey, how's it going? 739 00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:24,520 You know, you know, and he was Dustin was like, you know, you 740 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,520 know, how to play D&D and stuff. I was like, yeah. 741 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,480 And up to this point, I'd only played really a little bit of D 742 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,000 and DI didn't own any of the books. 743 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,280 So I was kind of bullshitting my way through it. 744 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,000 I really didn't know what I was talking about. 745 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,040 And I was just kind of like trying to play catch up. 746 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,920 And so we Needless to say, we started playing D and DI started 747 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,360 playing D&D with those guys. But we played a lot of 748 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,680 role-playing games. We played, you know, D and DAD 749 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,640 and AD and D Second edition. We played Gerps. 750 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,760 We were playing Shadowrun, Vampire the Masquerade a little 751 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,960 bit, even though like, we were a little too young to understand 752 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,840 the vampire thing, but we did play it a little bit. 753 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,400 We played all kinds of stuff and that group was great. 754 00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,800 But what happened is Dustin left middle school the next year and 755 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,200 got to high school, and he started falling in with this 756 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,200 like goth, like punk kind of crowd and got a little too cool 757 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,760 for us, right. I was still invited, by the way, 758 00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,880 which was interesting. I guess I was cool enough to 759 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,600 hang out with the older high school goth kids or ever, but he 760 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,360 he kind of like pushed the rest of the guys to the side. 761 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,800 So I continue playing with Dustin for a little while, but I 762 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,440 wanted to play with my other friends. 763 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,800 You know, that I'd made that were my age and you know, I'd 764 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,120 met a lot of other guys that were my age through that group. 765 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,800 And So what happened is we kind of broke off from Dustin's group 766 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,080 and made our own little group and we started meeting at the 767 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,800 other Andrew's house. And that was great because his 768 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,520 mom did not give two shits about what we did there. 769 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:02,080 You know, his mom just let us go crazy, which is good and bad but 770 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,640 you know, whatever, she's just like all right, you boys have 771 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:05,960 fun and just like what's your room? 772 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:07,840 And we did whatever, you know what the hell ever. 773 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:10,120 So we had the run of the place, which is great. 774 00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:13,840 So we started doing that like every Friday night. 775 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,560 And then one night I'm like, and I would spend the night there 776 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,120 and I would walk home like Saturday or Sunday, you know, 777 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,800 we'd play for like 2 days straight. 778 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,320 Not get any sleep. And then, you know, I would walk 779 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,520 home Sunday morning with my dad yelling at me on the phone, tell 780 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,560 me to come home and do chores and mow the lawn and all that 781 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:35,240 stuff. And so, you know, so, but one 782 00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:37,240 night when I'm staying over there at Andrew's house, I'm 783 00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:38,840 like sleep. I'm sleeping on the floor and 784 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,160 he's sleeping in the bed and I look up on his shelves and I see 785 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:45,120 some miniatures up there and he's got some Space Marines and 786 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,760 I'm like, oh shit, I'm like, you're in the Warhammer 40,000. 787 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,960 And he's like, yeah, he's like, I, I didn't even know you knew 788 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,520 what that is. So I was like, yeah, totally. 789 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,560 Dude, I love Warhammer. And like, I've been looking for 790 00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,320 people to play with and stuff. And he's like, well, we should 791 00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,000 play some Warhammer 40,000. And I'm like, heck yeah, we 792 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,240 should. And so I was like, well, I'm 793 00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:07,520 going to start, you know, I'm going to start a, I'm going to 794 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,880 start a Warhammer 40,000 army now. 795 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,040 I, I, I forgot to mention too, that the other box set that I 796 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,440 had bought when it came out was Gorka Morca. 797 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,480 And we actually played that a lot because yeah, yeah, we 798 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,160 played Gorka Morca a lot. And I still love Gorka Morca to 799 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,000 this day. I know it's kind of like the red 800 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:29,720 headed stepchild of GW games, but I I still have like a fun 801 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,080 place for Gorka Morca. And the great thing about Gorka 802 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,640 Morca for a bunch of young kids was you didn't need a lot of 803 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,440 stuff to play. And the miniatures were cheap 804 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,840 from what I remember, I think it was like 10 or 15 bucks for a 805 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,080 box of orcs. And all you needed was like a 806 00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,520 toy truck and convert that and you're good to go. 807 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:51,960 And but I actually got the big box set and every like the twins 808 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,800 would come over and Andrew would come over and his brother and 809 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,920 we'd all play Gorka Morca on my floor, you know, and I was kind 810 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,200 of the game master, like 'cause I had the rules and stuff and 811 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:06,880 we'd all play Gorka Morca. So through doing that, I had 812 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,680 already collected a bunch of orcs. 813 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,520 And also before that my cousin had acquired something that I 814 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,240 was seeking and never got. And I got the visual aid here, 815 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,520 which was the Warhammer 40,000 Second Edition box set, which 816 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,480 was like the Holy Grail of what I wanted and never could get. 817 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,840 And so he just, I, I told my cousin about this stuff and he's 818 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,920 just like, Oh yeah, he's like, I'm going to go get it. 819 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,960 And I'm like, what do you mean you're going to go buy it? 820 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,960 And he's like, yeah, I've got money, I'm going to go buy it. 821 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,640 And so I was kind of jealous about that. 822 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,040 He actually went and bought the Warhammer 40,000 Second Edition 823 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,120 box set before I got my hands on it. 824 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,000 And he was real guarded about it too. 825 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,400 He didn't want me to like look at it or touch it or anything, 826 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,760 whatever. He got it like he went into the 827 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,720 other room and locked the door. It was, it wouldn't let me in. 828 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,960 And then finally he came out of the room and like open the box, 829 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,440 let me look at it and stuff and, and I helped him put the 830 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,880 miniatures together. And then eventually, you know, 831 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,880 he did. He wasn't the smartest guy in 832 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,480 the world, so he didn't really understand the rules, but I I 833 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,640 was like, well, let me borrow the rule book and I can figure 834 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,480 it out. And he's like, OK, so I borrowed 835 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,080 the rule book and actually figured out the rules, I guess 836 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,440 and went back. And so, you know, when I go over 837 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,840 to my cousin's house, we would play Warhammer 40,000 second 838 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,440 edition out-of-the-box set. And I did acquire a few more 839 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,240 like orcs that Joe would give me. 840 00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:35,800 Joe was always give me miniatures. 841 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,680 You know, he gave me some like mega knobs and you know, an orc 842 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,120 war boss. And of course I had the Gorka 843 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,680 Marcus stuff. So I had like now I have like a 844 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,560 sizable like orc army and the stuff that my cousin just gave 845 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:51,200 me like the orcs out-of-the-box set and he got some space ring. 846 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,560 So me and my cousin were actually like playing second 847 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,240 edition, I guess before this a little bit. 848 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:01,520 And on the again, on the floor, right, with no proper terrain, 849 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,120 we would just have like boxes, you know, and whatever, you 850 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,720 know, maybe some army men like terrain, like some of those 851 00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:11,720 like, you know, plastic, you know, sandbags and stuff, 852 00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:14,840 whatever we could scrounge up, we didn't really matter and we 853 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,560 would just lay it out on his floor and play 40K. 854 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:18,880 We just play floor hammer, right? 855 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,360 So Fast forward back to middle school, you know, Andrew tells 856 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:24,760 me about the space rings and stuff. 857 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,200 And I already had like all these orcs and but they were really 858 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,080 poorly painted because like most people, I think, you know, when 859 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,000 you get in, especially back then, we didn't know about, I 860 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,440 didn't know anything about priming miniatures, right? 861 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,440 I didn't know what the right paints were and I was using 862 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,800 terrible paints. I don't remember what these 863 00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,280 paints were called. I think they were Armory paints 864 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,440 and Armory I think is still around. 865 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,880 But these were really the ones that I got back then. 866 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,360 We're just these were terrible. You know, like I, I can remember 867 00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,440 how bad these were and on top of not having like proper brushes, 868 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,560 I just had whatever cheap brushes I got from like the 869 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,000 model store. And, you know, it didn't know 870 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,360 how to prime miniatures, right? And so like, you know, this 871 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,840 army, this orc army I had was just like awful looking, right? 872 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,520 I, I eventually learned pretty pretty quickly that I needed to 873 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,720 prime the miniatures. I think I saw it in a white 874 00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:21,400 dwarf. You know, they showed you like, 875 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,960 yeah, you need to prime your miniatures first and do all 876 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,200 this. So I, I think I got a little bit 877 00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,040 better by the time I got to middle school. 878 00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:31,160 And so anyways, Andrew had these space rings. 879 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:32,960 I'm like, yeah, I'm going to start a new army and I'm going 880 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,560 to start, I'm going to start some Imperial Guard. 881 00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,920 And so that for my birthday that year when I was 12, my mother 882 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,680 got me like an Imperial Guard boxed army. 883 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,800 Like it was like the big box, you know what I mean? 884 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,960 You remember those like they had the big like boxed armies. 885 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:51,320 And she got me that, which was amazing, right? 886 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:56,120 Because that wasn't cheap. And I put all that stuff 887 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,760 together. And now I kind of had a little 888 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,280 bit more knowledge about how to paint and like put stuff 889 00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,680 together and how to clean models. 890 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,800 I've learned all this while, you know, experimenting, buying 891 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,240 random models and painting on the orcs and stuff. 892 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,200 And so I had this pretty sizable, you know, I don't, I 893 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,280 don't know how it was probably 1015 hundred points of Imperial 894 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,720 Guard or whatever. And we started playing, we 895 00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:21,720 actually started playing, you know, 40K start edition because 896 00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:24,840 that's what came out. Now, at the time, I really 897 00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,680 didn't care, you know, I just didn't see, I didn't see the 898 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,160 difference because I was a kid, right? 899 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,120 Like I, I, I think everybody else made a big fuss about it, 900 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,440 but like at the time we didn't care. 901 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:39,040 It was just 40K to us and some kid at school had the rule book 902 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,840 and he had like bought the box set and he didn't really care 903 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,720 for it. And he, he heard me talking 904 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:47,760 about it. He's like, hey, I got the, the 905 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,240 rule book if you want it, I'll just give it to you. 906 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,240 I was like, OK, so he, he gave me the rule book. 907 00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:55,440 And this is the rule book that we played with back then. 908 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,720 This is the exact book. So we started playing third 909 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:00,240 edition because that's what was out. 910 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,480 And I think that was probably actually a good thing for us 911 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,680 being young teenagers. I think 3rd edition was probably 912 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,080 a good place to start because it was, even though I like second 913 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:13,680 edition better and probably still did back then, I think it 914 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,840 was more easier and accessible for everybody else, right? 915 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:23,120 So me and Andrew started playing and Andrew was kind of a spoiled 916 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,920 kid, right? His parent, his parents were 917 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,520 divorced, but they were like fight for his love and they 918 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,200 would just buy him stuff, give him, he was an only child too 919 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,360 and they would just give him stuff. 920 00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,120 And so he got whatever he wanted. 921 00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:38,080 So quickly he had this like huge Space Marine army and his dad, 922 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,920 his dad bought him when they went to a auction at the Games 923 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,440 Workshop store and they had a professionally made Games 924 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,920 Workshop studio made table. He bought it. 925 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:52,840 And so that was awesome. That was an awesome way to like 926 00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:57,120 really get properly introduced. And so we had this like awesome 927 00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,960 table and we had all this awesome terrain. 928 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,440 And the other thing he got was he got a fully painted, like 929 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:07,520 studio painted metal Necron army, like the old Necrons, you 930 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,560 know, like so big money, right? And like his parents were just 931 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,720 like, get, you know, get him whatever he wanted. 932 00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:15,080 So, but that was cool for me because I, we go over to his 933 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:19,640 house and we stopped playing D&D and just started playing 40K all 934 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,160 the time. And it was like every Friday 935 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,000 night, I think the other guys kind of got pissed because we 936 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:24,800 were like, Nah, man, we're playing 40K all day. 937 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,560 Like you either you either get a 40K army or like you know, 938 00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,760 whatever. We played D and DA little bit, 939 00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:34,000 but it was mainly like 40K was like what me and Andrew were all 940 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,640 into playing on this awesome board. 941 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,480 And then the other guys started getting 40K army. 942 00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,360 So like one guy had like he got Dark Eldar and another guy got 943 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,760 Space Marines and I think another guy got Eldar. 944 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,360 And so we had like five or six guys that would come over just 945 00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,080 about every Friday night and we would play other stuff too. 946 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,760 We'd play like Axis and Allies and D&D and whatever, but a lot 947 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,240 of 40K, you know, we and me and Andrew were so obsessed with it. 948 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,640 We'd even bring it to school and play like in the cafeteria and 949 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,160 just set up like, you know, trays and Coke bottles and play 950 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,640 40K like during lunch and stuff, you know, like we were that 951 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,280 obsessed with it, you know. And so that was really like the 952 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:21,040 time that I properly got into it, even though I got into it a 953 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,080 few years earlier, like this is like now I had seriously got 954 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:25,480 into it. I found people that actually 955 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,400 played it, you know, I was actually like learned how to 956 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,720 paint models. And also around this time, like 957 00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:34,160 I was just telling you, there was a Games Workshop store that 958 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,240 opened and that was the first Games Workshop store we had here 959 00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:39,840 in Nashville. And it opened in the big mall. 960 00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,920 There's a big like mall here. It's still there. 961 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,280 And so we'd go up to the Games Workshop store all the time. 962 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:50,760 And these guys really, really were great, great guys, right? 963 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,920 Like they really took the time out of their, it took a lot of 964 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,360 time to show us how to do things properly. 965 00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,120 They were like, yeah, you know, like this is how you, this is 966 00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,040 the kind of glue you need. This how you glue together your 967 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,760 models. You know, they showed us how to 968 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,600 clean the models, get rid of the mold lines. 969 00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,560 They showed us how to paint, you know, like they were like, you 970 00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,800 know, they would give us painting tips and stuff and we'd 971 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:12,880 sit in there and paint and and they let us play there. 972 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,600 You know, we could bring our models in there. 973 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,760 And they had, you know, they had, it wasn't a big store, but 974 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,720 they did have like two or three tables set up. 975 00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:23,160 And if it wasn't busy, you, you know, you can bring your stuff 976 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,400 in and play. So we go in there and play on 977 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,800 their, their tables and stuff. And they were really cool group 978 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,160 of guys. And in fact, I'm still friends 979 00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,920 with one of the guys that work there and he, he works at 980 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,800 another game store that I frequent. 981 00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:42,280 So that's kind of cool. So anyways, through middle 982 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,560 school, I, we, we were playing 40 KA lot and fantasy. 983 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:47,880 I couldn't really find anybody to, nobody was interested in 984 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,200 playing fantasy with me. And I'll, I will say that I was 985 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,720 way more interested in fantasy than I was 40K always. 986 00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,120 But I just never could find anybody that wanted to really 987 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,280 was as interested in it as I was. 988 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:07,480 It was always 40K40K. So I, I just, you know, 40K was 989 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,840 cool to me too. It still is. 990 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:12,320 But like fantasy was always, especially back then was really 991 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,640 what got me going. But I just couldn't find anybody 992 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,760 that wanted to play it. So we during middle school, we 993 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,640 would just play 40K and then by the time I got to high school, 994 00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,000 all those guys that I was playing with went to a totally 995 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,280 different school than me. We, we got totally split up. 996 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,480 I was the only one out of that group that went to a totally 997 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,600 different high school because I lived on the other side of the 998 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,080 street, the other side of the tracks, if you will, And they 999 00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,880 lived on the other side and they went to a totally different high 1000 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,080 school than me. So we totally lost contact and 1001 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:48,760 that group broke apart. Now, they didn't stop me from 1002 00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,600 gaming. I was still role-playing with 1003 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,360 the twins and I had a few other people that we played with and 1004 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,480 stuff. But I've met a whole another 1005 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,920 group of guys and they were much older than me. 1006 00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:02,560 They were all seniors when I was a freshman in high school. 1007 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,680 And one day I was in the cafeteria and we're I was 1008 00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,560 running D&D. And that's what in high school, 1009 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,440 if there was like a free moment, we were playing games of some 1010 00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,240 sort, right? Like whether it was magic or 1011 00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:18,600 maybe some kind of miniature game or D&D or whatever, board 1012 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:20,960 game or whatever, we were always playing games. 1013 00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:26,960 And so during like some kind of, it was kind of like a, it 1014 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,280 wasn't, it wasn't like lunch or anything. 1015 00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,040 It was some kind of pep rally or something. 1016 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,240 And we never went to the pep rallies. 1017 00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:35,720 We went to the like the cafeteria and it's like, you 1018 00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:38,520 know, all the misfit kids would go there instead of going the, 1019 00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,360 you know, the pep rally. So it was like all the heavy 1020 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,120 metal kids and the punk rockers and the stoners and, you know, 1021 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,160 the gamer kids and the nerds and all that. 1022 00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,360 So we're in there playing D&D and there's another group of 1023 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,360 guys right behind us playing D&D. 1024 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,320 So I was like, holy shit, you know, anytime you see a gamer, I 1025 00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:58,960 was just like, hey, you know what's up? 1026 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,880 And one of the guys knew me, you know, because he had, he was 1027 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,560 older than us, but he played with us in middle school because 1028 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,400 he lived right down the street from Andrew. 1029 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,320 And he recognized me. And he's like, oh, hey, what's 1030 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:10,520 up, man? I hadn't seen you in a while. 1031 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,400 I'm like, hey, what's going on? I'm like, and he's like, yeah, 1032 00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,040 have you met all these guys? I'm like, no, I haven't. 1033 00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,880 They say, hey, this is Cody. Cody's really cool dude. 1034 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,680 I've game with him a lot like, and he's, and he introduced me 1035 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,600 to everybody and he's like, you should come over and game with 1036 00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,640 us. And just like that, everybody's 1037 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,040 like, yeah, come game with us. So I started going and gaming 1038 00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,440 with these guys and they were all like three years older than 1039 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:38,040 me, you know, which was, that's a big difference when you're 1040 00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,000 like 15 and they're like 18, right? 1041 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:45,000 So, you know, they were, you know, that's a really different 1042 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,680 mindset and just that's a big leap in years when you're that 1043 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,440 age. So I matured really quickly 1044 00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,120 hanging out with these older guys. 1045 00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,840 So I started gaming with those guys and it was mainly 1046 00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,600 role-playing games. And we would, every weekend, 1047 00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,680 it'd be like Friday night, they'd come pick me up and we 1048 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,080 would spend all weekend again, it was just like middle school. 1049 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,800 We'd spend all weekend gaming and they drop me off Sunday 1050 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,280 evening and that was that, you know, like, and that was that's 1051 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:15,400 how it was like, I mean, it was like non-stop too, you know, we 1052 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,440 didn't, we'd hardly slept. It was just a smorgasbord of, 1053 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:25,000 you know, Taco Bell, Mountain Dew, like usually alcohol, maybe 1054 00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:29,200 some weed, you know, because we are, you know, teenagers and and 1055 00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,160 a lot of like role play games and none of those guys were into 1056 00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,840 war games really. And so the war gaming kind of 1057 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:39,640 fell off for a little bit until my sophomore year. 1058 00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,960 There was a game store that opened, a new game store that I 1059 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:47,240 heard about that opened like in this really seedy district of 1060 00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,240 close to close to downtown Nashville. 1061 00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:53,880 Not quite there, but it was like it was in a weird, weird 1062 00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,960 location. It's like in an industrial area. 1063 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,520 Like you could not even like see it off the road. 1064 00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,920 And we just heard about it and you know, hearing like any time 1065 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,160 there was like a there weren't that many game stores around 1066 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:05,960 here. So if like a game store opens, 1067 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,760 it like spread like wildfire. Hey, there's a new game store 1068 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,000 that opened. So we go up there to this new 1069 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,560 game store. And to this day, it's still my 1070 00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,320 favorite game store I've ever been into. 1071 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,360 And it was called the Jolly Roger and it quickly became our 1072 00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,480 hangout spot. And the guy that owned the Jolly 1073 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,280 Roger was this guy did was named Jay. 1074 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:32,000 And Jay was about he was probably in his late 20s, maybe 1075 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,560 30. I don't really know how old he 1076 00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,920 was. He he wasn't, you know, he 1077 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:41,320 wasn't much older than like 30. And me and Jay quickly hit it 1078 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,200 off and became really good friends. 1079 00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,400 And again, you know, I always got along with the older guys. 1080 00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:54,360 And but the one thing about Jay was he loved Warhammer and he 1081 00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,600 had an amazing collection of Warhammer armies. 1082 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,960 Like he just, he had probably, I don't even know, you know, I 1083 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:05,480 mean, just just about every army for 40K in Fantasy and in a 1084 00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,640 store, he had, you know, these incredible tables and all this 1085 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,040 terrain. He was really into Warhammer, 1086 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,320 you know, And so there was a big group there that was playing 1087 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:18,160 Warhammer 40K in Fantasy. I was like, oh shit, you know, 1088 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,600 like I really want to get involved in this. 1089 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,360 And by that time I actually had a job that I had my first job 1090 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,320 and started working. So I had some money though. 1091 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,760 And Jay was like, yeah, you know, he taught me how to he he 1092 00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,880 was like, well, if you ever want to play, just come up here, you 1093 00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,440 can use one of my armies and just play. 1094 00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:38,720 And he would do that like you just he was like, what army you 1095 00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:40,120 want? You want Imperial Guard Space 1096 00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:45,200 Marines, you know, And so me and him started playing fantasy all 1097 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,480 the time and I started playing fantasy with all the guys up 1098 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,320 there just using Jay's armies. And eventually what happened is 1099 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,160 Jay just sold me his Chaos store for me. 1100 00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:00,000 And he had this fully painted, you know, old school Chaos store 1101 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,520 for me with orcs and everything. And he sold it to me for like 1102 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:05,920 dirt cheap, maybe, maybe the whole thing. 1103 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,880 It was like 300 bucks, which is even then was a steal, you know. 1104 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,080 And so I would go up there just about every weekend and play 1105 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:14,720 Warhammer Fantasy with these guys. 1106 00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,800 And it, that was, that was great. 1107 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:21,520 It was, it was a blast. And then we played 40K too. 1108 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,960 And then we played, you know, some more, you know, going 1109 00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,880 through high school, I played fantasy and 40K and then towards 1110 00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:34,360 again the high school, it kind of dropped off because I, in 1111 00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,720 the, all this time being a teenager, I started playing 1112 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:42,040 drums and I got really good and I started playing in bands and 1113 00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,280 music kind of took over over the gaming. 1114 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,680 I still loved gaming, did not lose interest in it, but that 1115 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,240 kind of took over over the gaming. 1116 00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:54,400 And by the time I was 17, especially 18, that's, that's, 1117 00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,920 you know, I, I, that, that was way more important to me. 1118 00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,920 So it was literally sex, drugs and rock'n'roll, you know, kind 1119 00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:03,000 of took over over the gaming. I still did it, but it was kind 1120 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,320 of like secondary to that. So by the time I got out of high 1121 00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,600 school, that was really dominating my life because I was 1122 00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:12,240 playing in bands and, you know, making some money doing it, 1123 00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:16,240 meeting girls and, you know, doing drugs and all that stuff, 1124 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:17,680 and just having the time of my life, right? 1125 00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:22,400 Like, it was great. But by the time I got to my 20s 1126 00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,240 that kind of like, I kind of like burned myself out, you 1127 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,160 know, that the music thing, really didn't I? 1128 00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:31,000 I realized, you know, the music thing's not going anywhere. 1129 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,160 Like especially in Nashville. I mean, Nashville, TN, they 1130 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,080 don't call it Music City for nothing, right? 1131 00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,720 Everybody, every other person plays guitar here. 1132 00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,520 So it's like, it's a very competitive scene here. 1133 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,520 And I just, I'm not a competitive person. 1134 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,520 Be honest with you. So like I just did, I, I, I just 1135 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,680 kind of got tired of trying to compete with everybody else. 1136 00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,120 And I still, I still play music to this day, but I just do it 1137 00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,840 for myself and fun and you know, whatever. 1138 00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,960 But I realized I needed like a real job, right? 1139 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:03,600 Music was not going to be like a viable career really. 1140 00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,600 So my dad's like, why don't you come work with me? 1141 00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,200 And I was like, all right, so I did. 1142 00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:09,880 And he's like, hey, you're really good at this. 1143 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,120 Why don't you go to trade school for a year and kind of get, you 1144 00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,400 know, learned up and I can pay you more and you just come to 1145 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,280 work for with me full time. So I did. 1146 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,560 So I went to trade school and used up all the money I'd saved. 1147 00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,680 And luckily my grandmother had put aside some money for me for 1148 00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,960 college or whatever. So I had some money and I went 1149 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,000 off the trade school for a year in Saint Louis. 1150 00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,200 Well, I was only really had enough money to like, I didn't 1151 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,800 have enough money to go like cruising around or buy anything 1152 00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,200 or, you know, I didn't have cable, I didn't have Internet. 1153 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,960 I was in complete isolation. I didn't know anybody there. 1154 00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,200 I didn't have enough money to even go to the game store, which 1155 00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:53,120 was like 45 minutes away. So I spent a lot of time there 1156 00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:57,840 just thinking, listening to music, playing music and reading 1157 00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,640 a lot of books. You know, I read a lot of books 1158 01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,280 during that watch. I've always been a big reader. 1159 01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,120 But, you know, when I didn't have anything else to do, I read 1160 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,040 a lot more. And I was also thinking about 1161 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,920 like, when I get back, like, I was like, I started, you know, 1162 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,520 thinking a lot. And I was like, I really want to 1163 01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,640 get back into miniature gaming. I haven't done that in a while. 1164 01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:18,560 I really want to get back into this. 1165 01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,840 And so the next year when I got back home, I started working and 1166 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:26,320 actually was making decent money at the time and was single, 1167 01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,120 right? You know, So I had a lot more 1168 01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:30,600 money to blow. And so I got back into miniature 1169 01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:35,160 gaming and I think initially I got back into I, I didn't want 1170 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:39,600 to get back into Warhammer because I did have like, I did 1171 01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:43,000 try to get back into it when I was about 19 or so. 1172 01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,240 And I had a really bad experience. 1173 01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:50,040 Like I, I tried getting back into it and went up to the store 1174 01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,520 and the guys there were just like completely unwelcoming. 1175 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,880 They, they did not like, they like I walked into the store and 1176 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,120 like nobody said hi to me. Nobody offered to play a game 1177 01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,880 with me. Nobody introduced themselves. 1178 01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,800 And when I asked people, they're just like, yeah, you know, I 1179 01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,480 mean, it was not a welcoming experience. 1180 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,760 So I was like, you know what, F Warhammer, F these guys. 1181 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,200 I, you know, I'm not going to, I'm just never going to play 1182 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:16,000 Warhammer again. That really turned me off a 1183 01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,440 Warhammer dealing with that, those guys. 1184 01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,920 So I started looking at other miniature games and I think the 1185 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:24,760 miniature game I kind of settled on was Malifo actually at the 1186 01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:28,360 time. Yeah, it because it just looked 1187 01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:30,600 different. I thought it, I was like, well, 1188 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:32,360 I liked it. The some of the miniatures 1189 01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,840 looked really cool. I like the card mechanic that 1190 01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,000 sounded really cool. And also what was appealing 1191 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:42,080 about it was I could actually play it on a small space and I 1192 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,680 was like, well, I and the other thing is I, I was like, well, I 1193 01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:48,560 could buy like a bunch of little of these war bands and maybe 1194 01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,520 that way I could talk people into playing it with me. 1195 01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,280 So I did, I'd like bought all this Malefo stuff. 1196 01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,960 And so I tried, you know, talking people into playing it 1197 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,400 and like nobody was interested except for my brother. 1198 01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,840 I, I haven't mentioned my brother in this whole story, but 1199 01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:08,280 my brother actually grew up with me and I forced him to play 1200 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,760 games all the time and still do actually, you know, I still call 1201 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:13,920 him up. I'd like, hey, you want to play 1202 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,040 a game? But he's like, yeah, you know, 1203 01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,360 so my brother, my brother is kind of a gamer too. 1204 01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:21,720 He's not as into it as I am, but he's always been a gamer a 1205 01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,080 little bit by force. You know, I kind of press gamed 1206 01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:27,040 him into playing. So my brother played with me, 1207 01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,160 but other than that I couldn't talk anybody in playing. 1208 01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,560 And then I used to frequent this comic store all the time. 1209 01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,800 And the owner of the comic store was like, hey, I'm going to 1210 01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,040 start carrying like you're in the miniatures and stuff where I 1211 01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,080 was like, yeah, yeah. He said, well, I'm going to 1212 01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,800 start carrying Warhammer stuff and one of the guys here is 1213 01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:46,280 going to run like a, a, a league here and we're going to do 1214 01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,720 Warhammer Fantasy and we're going to do Warhammer 40,000. 1215 01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:50,560 He's like, maybe you'll be interested in that. 1216 01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:53,880 And I'm like, and I was like, well, maybe he's like, well, 1217 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:57,040 it's like all new players, you know, so it's like none of these 1218 01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:58,760 guys have played Warhammer before. 1219 01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:01,960 So it'll be like a new crowd. And that's kind of what that was 1220 01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,600 really appealing to me because I'm like, Oh yeah, you know, 1221 01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,000 like a fresh, a fresh group that doesn't have any preconceptions. 1222 01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,200 And you know, you know, it's basically like building a new 1223 01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:12,480 community. And that sounded really 1224 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,520 appealing to me, so I agreed. I was like, yeah, yeah, that 1225 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,920 sounds really cool. So initially I bought up all 1226 01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,080 this Warhammer Fantasy stuff because he told me like, there's 1227 01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:25,320 going to be Warhammer Fantasy. And I show up to the first 1228 01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,840 meeting and nobody's playing Warhammer Fantasy. 1229 01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:31,920 Everybody's playing 40K. And I'm like, OK, well, I guess 1230 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,440 I'm going to start a 40K army. So I started a 40K army. 1231 01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:41,400 I kept the fantasy stuff. Yeah, it was, it was a really 1232 01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,920 good group actually. And we played for quite a few 1233 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:48,000 years. And even though I started, I 1234 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:53,480 didn't really, I didn't really enjoy the rules as much, but I 1235 01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,280 did enjoy painting the miniatures and hanging out and 1236 01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,680 all that stuff. But it was around that time and 1237 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:04,720 this is like, this is we're talking about like 2010 is when, 1238 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:08,240 when I got back into it. And around that time I I was 1239 01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,920 playing for a few years and we were playing, we all of a sudden 1240 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:12,760 it started to get really competitive and everybody 1241 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:15,520 started going to tournaments. And I got really caught up in 1242 01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,240 that too, and did well too, I must say. 1243 01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,280 You know, like I did do good, like in the tournament scene and 1244 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:21,960 stuff. But it got to the point I just 1245 01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,760 got sick of it and realized I wasn't having fun. 1246 01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,560 And I would come home every day with like a splitting headache. 1247 01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:31,600 And I was like, OK, I got to do something else. 1248 01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:37,280 And so meanwhile, my friend Andrew, the original Andrew from 1249 01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:42,600 way back in the day, he, me and him still, you know, we played 1250 01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,400 in bands together and whatever, but we kind of had a falling out 1251 01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,840 in our 20s. And he started coming back 1252 01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:50,920 around again. And one day he comes over to my 1253 01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:52,840 place and he's like, hey, man, I was just in the neighborhood. 1254 01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:54,440 I just want to drop by, see what you're doing. 1255 01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,480 I'm like, yeah, come in. So we're like having a beer and 1256 01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:57,960 hanging out. And he goes to my, like, 1257 01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:00,960 backroom. And that's where I had all my 1258 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,480 war game stuff. And it was insane at that time. 1259 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:06,080 I just had like, I was buying everything, right? 1260 01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,520 So I just had like all these armies everywhere. 1261 01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,360 And he's like, what the hell, dude? 1262 01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:11,920 He's like, you got back into this stuff. 1263 01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,280 I'm like, yeah, yeah. He's like, man, this is really 1264 01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:15,480 cool. And he starts looking at the 1265 01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:17,000 miniatures. He's like, I remember this and 1266 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,000 blah, blah, blah. He's like, I was like, well, we 1267 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,280 should play some games. And he's like, totally, man, 1268 01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:25,040 yeah, totally. So we start playing with the 1269 01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,760 current rules, which I think we're like 5th edition at the 1270 01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,880 time, and we play like one game and he's like, this sucks. 1271 01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:34,320 He's like, this is terrible, dude. 1272 01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,000 He's like, this is nothing like, I remember it. 1273 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:38,360 I was like, I was like, yeah, what do you mean? 1274 01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,920 And he's like, you remember, like we used to play like you 1275 01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,840 remember all the crazy shit back in the day, like the shock 1276 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,560 attack gun and vehicles going out of control and like, what 1277 01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,400 happened to all that? I'm like, I don't know. 1278 01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,240 I was like, he said we should play, you know, the old version 1279 01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,400 we played. I was like, yeah, you're right, 1280 01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:57,080 we should. And so I started like looking 1281 01:05:57,080 --> 01:05:59,720 around and kind of thinking about it and I found the 2nd 1282 01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,360 edition Battle Bible. So I printed that whole thing 1283 01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:08,320 off, got it all bound up. I printed off all the tokens and 1284 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:09,960 the templates and all that stuff. 1285 01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,760 And we started playing second edition and just kind of like I 1286 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:17,200 left 5th edition in the dirt or whatever it was at the time. 1287 01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,040 And we just started playing second edition and everybody 1288 01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,080 thought we were insane for doing this too. 1289 01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,360 We'd go up to the store, but they'd be like, what do you do? 1290 01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,920 What do you guys playing? We're like, we're playing second 1291 01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:28,640 edition 40K and everybody's like, why? 1292 01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:31,560 Why would you play? You know, everybody was just so 1293 01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:35,560 blown away that we were going back to this old game and 1294 01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,840 that's, and we, we just like, that's all we did. 1295 01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,800 We just played second edition 40K when we finally, we stopped 1296 01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,280 playing at the store and we just ended up going to his house 1297 01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:47,120 every weekend. I'd go over there on Friday and 1298 01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:50,840 we drink a lot and we'd play 40K second edition and we talked a 1299 01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,440 couple of our other friends into trying it out and it became like 1300 01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,280 a regular thing. So I guess that's kind of my 1301 01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,760 origin story, like, you know, nutshell leading up to this 1302 01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,880 point and what's led me up to where I am now. 1303 01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:08,480 So I know I've talked a lot and this has been a pretty long 1304 01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:12,000 wooded thing, but maybe you got some questions or other people 1305 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:12,560 do, I don't know. Oh. 1306 01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,000 Yeah, you got a brilliant. Do whatever. 1307 01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:22,920 Bit of let me just check this again. 1308 01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:29,520 Yeah, a bit of audio replay reverb there. 1309 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,840 I think it should be OK now. But yeah, mate, you got a very 1310 01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:36,360 extensive history into the miniature gaming and playing 1311 01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:37,920 side of it. And then on your channel you 1312 01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,640 sort of go and talk about that. Yeah. 1313 01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:40,480 Feedback. That's right. 1314 01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,480 Kind of fixed and it's really interesting. 1315 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:43,960 Yeah. I really enjoyed your video and 1316 01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,320 you, you, you talked a little bit more extensively about parts 1317 01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,440 of your story there as well, which I found very interesting. 1318 01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,320 And I. And like you all, I love a good 1319 01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,080 origin story and everyone's got something different. 1320 01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:57,680 Even. Come through into the same sort 1321 01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:01,240 of pathway, usually through Games Workshop, but we all have 1322 01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,360 a different way of entering the hobby. 1323 01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:07,680 And we all all, and I think a lot of us and I, you know, 1324 01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:12,280 talking about most people here, we've we've come from sort of 1325 01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:16,560 isolated regional areas of the world and somehow we've found 1326 01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:20,040 it, you know, just by chance, it's just come across like you, 1327 01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,040 you with your friend at school, with him flipping through a 1328 01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:24,600 white dwarf or a catalogue or something. 1329 01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,439 And for me, it was like, yeah, through here request and 1330 01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,600 discovering my local comic store and then opening up all this big 1331 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,520 world of games of Games Workshop that I've never seen before. 1332 01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,399 And yeah, we all have our own sort of entry pointing to the 1333 01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:39,479 hobby. And then if if you're lucky 1334 01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:43,240 enough, you it's it sticks with you and you keep carrying on 1335 01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,279 and, and and your adventure grows through the people you 1336 01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:48,760 meet and the games you play. So that's pretty awesome, man. 1337 01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,560 So you have a good break. Let's go, Let's go through the 1338 01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:53,160 let's go through the comments mate. 1339 01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,120 So you have a good smoke and a drink and we'll have a look. 1340 01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,200 We'll have a look to see what the guys are saying here because 1341 01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:00,520 we had a few people coming in and thank you everybody who's 1342 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:05,800 joined us. So Chris is here and also we've 1343 01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:09,200 got Cameron. They are two great guys on our 1344 01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:15,120 discord and doing our man of war and Chris does a lot of other 1345 01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:20,960 stuff at second edition 40K. He does Necromanda, blood bowl 1346 01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:24,160 maybe I think space Hulk. We did space Hulk like remote 1347 01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,439 players on our discord channel. Yeah, right on. 1348 01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,920 Yeah, so it's good to see Cameron here. sci-fi is still 1349 01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:32,720 awake and is still with us, which is amazing. 1350 01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,640 I don't know what time it is there in the in the UK and it 1351 01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:36,800 must be like 3:00 AM or something. 1352 01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,479 So he says it might have been white dwarf 182 mate. 1353 01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:43,600 He checked on Google. Maybe that's what your your 1354 01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,880 childhood friend and it's it's. Very possible. 1355 01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:50,680 It was definitely one of the catalogs that I initially saw. 1356 01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:55,240 But Andrew did have him and his brother had a subscription to 1357 01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:59,880 White Dwarf. And so I did some digging 1358 01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,200 because on your Discord I noticed you had like a thing 1359 01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:03,880 that said, you know, your first white Dwarf. 1360 01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,320 And it got me thinking about what my first White Dwarf was. 1361 01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:10,120 So I ended up going and looking at like the white dwarfs from 1362 01:10:10,120 --> 01:10:12,800 that period and I think I figured out which one it was, 1363 01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,120 which I can't remember off the top of my head what issue it 1364 01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,640 was, but it's the one with the, the space ring chaplain on the 1365 01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:20,200 front. That's the cover of Angels of 1366 01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:23,720 Death, Angels of Death codex. And that was definitely the 1367 01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,840 first White Dwarf I saw. I specifically remember that 1368 01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:31,040 because right around that time Andrew brought the catalog, he 1369 01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,080 brought a white Dwarf. And that's the first one, you 1370 01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:36,360 know, he let me look through and we're like reading through it 1371 01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:39,520 and I, I definitely remember like the battle report in there 1372 01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:41,320 and like the Andy Chambers interview. 1373 01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:45,600 And Andy Chambers was like my guy back then. 1374 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,320 He'd be very happy to know Cody. He'd just joined that discord. 1375 01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:50,480 I saw that. Yeah. 1376 01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:51,040 Yeah. That's really. 1377 01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:54,720 Cool looked at himself and Adrian Woods there, so now you 1378 01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:59,120 guys can interact with them and ask some questions and send your 1379 01:10:59,440 --> 01:11:02,520 love and praise to them for all these years of great gaming 1380 01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,840 memories and in the hobby. So it's really wonderful that 1381 01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,840 they accepted our invitation to join us there and and interact 1382 01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:11,800 with you guys, which is even brilliant More is better. 1383 01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,120 I I hope to get them on a live stream like this so you guys can 1384 01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,440 interact with them in real time. Yeah, that'd be awesome. 1385 01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:22,320 Yeah. So yeah, thanks again, sci-fi 1386 01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,720 for checking that up, mate. So that's awesome. 1387 01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:28,880 Okay, Cameron said I couldn't have figured out battle attack 1388 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:30,280 at 18 years old. I don't think I could have 1389 01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:33,840 figured it out either. So Cody, you're just, you know, 1390 01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,240 you just, you just had the right mind. 1391 01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,000 You're just wide into gaming, I think at a very young age. 1392 01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:43,320 Well, I, I, there was another part of that story about like, I 1393 01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:46,160 think one of the reasons I memorized, and I'm still pretty 1394 01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:51,000 good at rules today, but I was really good as a kid because I 1395 01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,440 couldn't get any of the books. Like I said, I was kind of 1396 01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:55,360 forbidden from getting the books. 1397 01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,040 And there's a funny little story about that, especially with the 1398 01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,200 D&D stuff. My, I would have my mom drop me 1399 01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,480 off at the bookstore and I go in there with notebook and pen and 1400 01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:10,440 actually like copy the D&D rule books in a notebook by hand or 1401 01:12:10,440 --> 01:12:12,560 memorize everything. So at one point I remember being 1402 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,560 a teenager and like, I literally had that whole rule book, like 1403 01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,040 memorize, like it was, it was amazing. 1404 01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:20,160 I don't know, you know, I would just sit there and be like, Oh 1405 01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:22,200 yeah, Magic missile. It does this and this and this 1406 01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:24,960 and I can't do it anymore. But back then I had like all 1407 01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:30,040 that stuff, like just memorize. So I think that really helped me 1408 01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,960 in my early years and also with Warhammer too, I didn't have a 1409 01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:37,160 lot of the books and I just kind of memorized all that stuff, you 1410 01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:41,960 know, I just, and so I, I, I quickly just learned and adapted 1411 01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:45,720 to memorize rules, you know, And of course, you know, being 1412 01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,880 young, I'm sure we weren't doing everything 100% correct. 1413 01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,880 But I, I, I do remember we were actually, you know, like, you 1414 01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,960 know, me and my cousin playing 40K and like, we were playing 1415 01:12:56,960 --> 01:13:00,880 fantasy and stuff. We were playing pretty close to 1416 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,240 what it was supposed to be, you know, and you know, all that 1417 01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,520 stuff. So yeah, I think I always had a 1418 01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,560 pretty good knack with rules when I was young. 1419 01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:13,200 And also, I think I commented on this before, maybe on your 1420 01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:16,320 channel or just talking together, But as you, as you 1421 01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:20,120 started talking about your earlier gaming history and 1422 01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:23,560 walking to that, that kids basement and then you got the 1423 01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,080 older, older kid called Dustin. It's like, you know, the, the, 1424 01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:30,760 the cast of Stranger things, you know, and playing all D and DSI 1425 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:32,960 love that opening sequence of them playing. 1426 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,240 I think it's the very first episode of episode one series 1427 01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:38,760 one of stranger things with the rules sitting around the table 1428 01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,280 playing dungeons and Dragons. It brings back a lot of great 1429 01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:45,720 memories, even though I was never a big role player, but I 1430 01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,760 did try aid advanced dungeon Dragons second edition with 1431 01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:51,440 friends. And at that stage they were 1432 01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:53,680 really into like dragon Lance. And I think we've sort of 1433 01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,600 touched on that before as well. And I still have a lot of fond 1434 01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:01,600 memories of the artwork, Jeff Easley of that of that era. 1435 01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:05,480 Yeah, I got a good stuff, Larry Elmore hanging out behind me 1436 01:14:05,480 --> 01:14:06,040 there. Yeah, Larry. 1437 01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:07,240 Elmore is another legend, isn't he? 1438 01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:09,720 Yeah. Signed by Larry Actually. 1439 01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:13,720 Oh, brilliant. Yeah, and I, I've met Larry 1440 01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,080 quite a few times. He's a really, really good dude. 1441 01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,000 Yeah, he's a really nice, really nice guy. 1442 01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,800 I actually drank whiskey with with him one night. 1443 01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:24,960 We were, we were at Gen. Con and I'd met him earlier in 1444 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,200 the day and had one at like every time I'd go there, I'd get 1445 01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,600 a print signed. And so I got a print signed. 1446 01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:33,680 And then later that evening we went like right by the 1447 01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,080 Convention Center and we were having a drink and eating a 1448 01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,200 burger or whatever. And Larry Elmore was there at 1449 01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:42,040 the bar and I was like, shit, I'm going to go buy if somebody 1450 01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,400 told me, like, if you ever want to talk to Larry Elmore, buy him 1451 01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:46,240 some whiskey and you know, he'll talk to you. 1452 01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,240 And so I went up to him. I was like, Hey, how you doing, 1453 01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:49,760 Larry? And like, he remembered me. 1454 01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:50,720 He would say, Hey, how you doing? 1455 01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,200 You were that, you know, guy asking me, you know, because I 1456 01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:54,720 was asking a bunch of questions and stuff. 1457 01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:56,240 I was like, you mind if I buy you a drink? 1458 01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,080 And he's like, Nah. And so I bought him a whiskey 1459 01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:01,080 and we're sitting there drinking Jack Daniels for a very short 1460 01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:02,520 time. It was just like 5 minutes or 1461 01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:04,200 something and just shooting the shit. 1462 01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:08,000 And he's, if you ever meet Larry, he's a very, very like 1463 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,720 down to earth, very personal guy. 1464 01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:14,320 And like he, everybody that wants to talk to him, he gives 1465 01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,800 him his full attention. As much as you want to, you 1466 01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,160 know, interact with him, He's he's a really, really good dude. 1467 01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:23,400 So yeah, Larry's cool. What a great opportunity, mate. 1468 01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:25,120 Yeah, that's wonderful. Yeah. 1469 01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:29,600 I love, I love the artwork from the old D&D second edition era. 1470 01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:33,440 The books, well, you know that in that time and during the 90s, 1471 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:35,160 you know, they were pretty hot stuff. 1472 01:15:35,160 --> 01:15:38,000 You know, the Dragonlands books were massive then. 1473 01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,120 You know, the whole series, the entire saga. 1474 01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:42,400 I don't know how many books with like 12 books. 1475 01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,360 I think it's banned out too. It's a lot now, yeah. 1476 01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:48,880 I mean, they just came out with some more recently, yeah. 1477 01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:53,760 And that's, that's something I didn't really talk about, but 1478 01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:56,880 like the art is really what grabbed me to from the 1479 01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:58,480 beginning. I've always been a big art guy. 1480 01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:01,560 I still love art. And that's what grabbed me 1481 01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,360 initially was the art of all that stuff. 1482 01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:08,520 And to me personally, you know, just my preference. 1483 01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:13,120 I think the art of the 1990s in the games too, just the games in 1484 01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:14,680 general. I think that was like the golden 1485 01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,280 age of everything gaming in my opinion. 1486 01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:21,160 And I, I'm kind of lucky that I kind of, I was at the tail end 1487 01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,080 of it, but I still experienced it. 1488 01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:25,800 And I think that was a great time to get into gaming. 1489 01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,880 And but it was the art that really got me first, you know, 1490 01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:32,200 like that's what it just, I mean, every time I looked at one 1491 01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:37,560 of those pieces and still do it, just, it just my mind would just 1492 01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:41,520 go to all these places. You know, modern art doesn't 1493 01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,280 really do the same thing. I mean, there's, there's a lot 1494 01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:45,160 of great artists out there, don't get me wrong, and a lot of 1495 01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:48,480 great art and stuff, but it just doesn't grab me the same as like 1496 01:16:48,480 --> 01:16:52,960 a lot of that older 1980s and 90s art does, you know? 1497 01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,960 It just, it really drives my imagination crazy to this day. 1498 01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,400 Like, it's just such good stuff, you know? 1499 01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:00,280 Yeah, I think, I think you're right. 1500 01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:03,960 I think for me too, I can really appreciate the older style. 1501 01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,720 Well, any, any traditional artist I can really appreciate 1502 01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:11,680 because digital, digital art obviously has taken its role now 1503 01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:15,680 in terms of the amount of stuff they can produce and how they 1504 01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:19,120 can access it digitally, how they can send stuff and that 1505 01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:20,720 kind of thing. I get it, I get it. 1506 01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:23,120 But it's like, OK, I'll make a mistake. 1507 01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,120 I can just erase that and do it again. 1508 01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,160 You know what I mean? Like digital art is kind of like 1509 01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:31,520 you sort of can erase things. You can import things with, with 1510 01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,840 traditional art, it's some some guy, some man, some woman who's 1511 01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:38,600 got like who's, you know, using a, a paint palette with a brush 1512 01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,920 and actually putting that onto a canvas. 1513 01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,520 And if they make a mistake, they might have to just throw the 1514 01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:44,800 whole thing out and start it again. 1515 01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,440 You know what I mean? Like there's some, there's an, 1516 01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:51,200 there's a, there's an enormous amount of talent and experience 1517 01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:54,760 poured into that canvas piece of paper that whatever they're 1518 01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:55,120 doing. Yeah. 1519 01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:57,600 Digital art definitely requires some skill. 1520 01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,480 It's definitely art. Like I'm not going to, I'm not 1521 01:17:59,480 --> 01:18:03,200 going to deny it, but the thing I like about hand drawn art and 1522 01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:06,960 hand painted anything like that handmade art is it has character 1523 01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,440 to it, right? Like it has, it brings out the 1524 01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:11,520 personality deep inside that person. 1525 01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:14,920 And so every piece of art, like I can tell you, like you show me 1526 01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,680 a Larry Elmore, I can tell you Larry Elmore, you show me a 1527 01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:19,520 Clyde Caldwell. I can tell you that's Clyde 1528 01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,520 Caldwell. You show me John Blanche or Ian 1529 01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:25,720 Miller or you know, all these guys or all even all these great 1530 01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:27,600 comic book artists. I'm a big comic book guy. 1531 01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:32,560 And so, you know, like you show me any of those guys, usually I 1532 01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,240 could, I'd be like, oh, yeah, that's Larry Elmore, you know, 1533 01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:38,080 that's John Blanche. You can just tell like they have 1534 01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:42,440 it has a personality to it that I think you can't really get. 1535 01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:46,760 You can get it in digital art and there's some guys that can 1536 01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:49,200 do it. But I think the difference is 1537 01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:54,480 those guys that can express it in digital art, they started 1538 01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:58,360 with physical art, right? And they just translated it to 1539 01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,640 digital art. So they're using the same 1540 01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,520 principles, but you have a lot of younger guys that started 1541 01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,120 with digital art. And so it's kind of the other 1542 01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,040 way around, right? And they're, they're learning to 1543 01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:10,480 do everything in a very samey kind of way. 1544 01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:14,160 And it's just kind of like it all just kind of like passes 1545 01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,440 over me, to be honest with you. Like I'd look at a piece of art 1546 01:19:16,440 --> 01:19:19,280 and I'm just kind of like it. It doesn't do anything for me 1547 01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,400 because it doesn't have that unique character to it. 1548 01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:24,680 It's kind of the same. And I've heard you talk about it 1549 01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:27,320 with like hand sculpted miniatures, right? 1550 01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:31,320 I, I really love, that's one reason I collect and love the 1551 01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:34,240 old miniatures is I love the character. 1552 01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:38,520 They're pieces of art too, you know, and like, I love 1553 01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,360 collecting those just to look, look at them like they're just, 1554 01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:43,840 there's so much character and personality in them. 1555 01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,800 And again, you can tell like if you've looked at enough 1556 01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,880 miniatures, like you know, who the sculptor was, you know, 1557 01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,640 'cause there's certain like characteristics and things to, 1558 01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,560 you know, their character and their art really comes out in 1559 01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:59,760 their miniature. So I like, I, I, I still think 1560 01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:03,320 that's the best way to do art. And I still really, I really, 1561 01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:07,360 really appreciate, you know, visual art of any sort. 1562 01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:09,480 It's, it's amazing to me actually that people can do 1563 01:20:09,480 --> 01:20:11,120 that. I never, I had a little bit of 1564 01:20:11,120 --> 01:20:16,720 artistic skill, but never that's one thing I wish I had more than 1565 01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:19,600 any other like skill is to be an artist 'cause I just love it so 1566 01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,160 much. You know, and I never really had 1567 01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:25,720 a, the right like knack for it or whatever. 1568 01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:28,720 I had a little bit, but not I, I wasn't that great of an artist, 1569 01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:30,800 you know? Now me too. 1570 01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:33,800 I wish I could, you know, I, I sort of did a bit of drawing 1571 01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,800 when I was younger. And because my mother's an 1572 01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:41,280 artist, my grandfather was an artist and my father dabbled in 1573 01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,520 art at school, he wanted to be like a graphic designer. 1574 01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:47,200 My, my, my sister's now a full, you know, full time graphic 1575 01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:50,960 designer and illustrator. So we've always had that in our 1576 01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,080 family. I've really wanted to do like 1577 01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,040 being an illustrator or, or at least a concept artist or 1578 01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:57,960 something like that, but I just didn't put the time and skill. 1579 01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,120 I was always into painting miniatures and but I think if I 1580 01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:03,360 could trade it I would, I think. Yeah. 1581 01:21:04,200 --> 01:21:06,160 I could trade all that skill and time I put into miniature 1582 01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,640 painting into like, you know, graphic, graphic art or 1583 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:10,320 whatever. I think I would have done it. 1584 01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:14,120 And because you're really sort of you, you, like you say, 1585 01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:17,240 you're putting your own signature into you every piece 1586 01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:19,680 you do so that it becomes very identifiable. 1587 01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:21,840 OK, Well, that's you're like Paul Bonner. 1588 01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:23,600 You know, you. It's unmistakable. 1589 01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:26,400 And when you see an orc, even when he does like humans. 1590 01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:28,800 Yeah, yeah. War Zone and stuff like that. 1591 01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,520 It's a very iconic way he he portrays his characters and the 1592 01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:34,720 style he draws and paints in and that kind of thing. 1593 01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:36,920 It's just a Paul Bonner. That's a Paul Bonner, Paula, 1594 01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:38,800 like Mark Gibbons. Another one. 1595 01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:44,120 Very distinctive style and, you know, incredibly talented guy. 1596 01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:46,720 And now he does a lot of digital stuff, which I get because he 1597 01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:50,520 has to do that for sketches or he's got to do that for the 1598 01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:53,520 companies he works for. They just require that kind of 1599 01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:55,600 level. And it might be just easier for 1600 01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:59,080 him to sketch, sketch out a whole lot of concepts, send them 1601 01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,040 off to the companies and say, yeah, that's that's a go ahead. 1602 01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:05,840 And maybe he does a cross between, you know, laying out 1603 01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:08,560 the illustration in black and white, then scanning on the 1604 01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,640 computer and then doing all the digital art for color and that 1605 01:22:11,640 --> 01:22:14,000 kind of thing afterwards. I can see there's a cross plane 1606 01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,320 and there's like a demand for that kind of stuff because of 1607 01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:19,520 the amount of art they need these days. 1608 01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:22,560 They just don't have the finances to say, hey, you know, 1609 01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,360 yeah, we love your paintings and we'll we'll pay you for like 2 1610 01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:28,440 months just to finish one piece. It just doesn't happen anymore, 1611 01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:32,000 you know, with the shame. All right, so let's go into the 1612 01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,720 other comments. We've got Dan the man, Dan 1613 01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:36,560 Buehman. Good to see you Dan. 1614 01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:42,200 I really love your musty war gamers live streams either. 1615 01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,960 On Oh yeah yeah, Dan for the musty war gamers, you know, you 1616 01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:45,800 know. Dan Musty, OH. 1617 01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:46,520 Good. Absolutely. 1618 01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,000 I watch Murderly Great. Stuff. 1619 01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:48,880 Oh that's awesome. OK. 1620 01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:51,440 I love their live streams, Rusty. 1621 01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:53,160 Yeah, yeah. Hello. 1622 01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:53,600 Hello. Correct. 1623 01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:55,480 So what it was what it was called his channel, I forget 1624 01:22:55,480 --> 01:22:56,800 now. It's he does a lot of battle 1625 01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:59,440 tech stuff. And yeah, he's he's a really 1626 01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:03,240 nice guy. And there's Palmer in Canada and 1627 01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,480 they sort of share the hosting between the two of them every 1628 01:23:06,480 --> 01:23:10,880 fortnight and really enjoy their conversations and the topics 1629 01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,120 they bring up every, every fortnight. 1630 01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:16,640 So I'll leave a, if I, if I don't leave a link, go and check 1631 01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:20,160 out Musty War Games on Facebook or something and you've got 1632 01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,000 links there to check out what they're doing. 1633 01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:29,080 Then let's see Chris says. Fellow middle school French horn 1634 01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:30,080 player here. Well, there you go. 1635 01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:37,680 You're not lying there, mate. We have you to share that, 1636 01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:39,240 Chris. Yes, I think he just did it for 1637 01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:40,760 the chicks. Yeah, OK, all. 1638 01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:42,560 Right man, I just. Get successful then. 1639 01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,160 I'm not going to go into details, but in high school 1640 01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:48,440 those band chicks were crazy man. 1641 01:23:48,440 --> 01:23:51,840 OK, what's what happened to dad stays bad? 1642 01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:52,920 That's all I'll say. So. 1643 01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:57,440 And kind of fix is here to join us. 1644 01:23:57,440 --> 01:23:59,000 How you going mate? All the way from Australia. 1645 01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:03,240 What does sci-fi say? Sounds like a pub scene for the 1646 01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:10,440 American Werewolf in London. Totally. 1647 01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:14,280 So, sci-fi, you still awake? It's amazing. 1648 01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:15,440 You were playing old and inferior. 1649 01:24:15,960 --> 01:24:18,840 Inferior over new and improved madness Or enlightened. 1650 01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,760 Yeah, well, like my My name Madman. 1651 01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,160 In Japan, it's that's exactly what we're doing. 1652 01:24:24,160 --> 01:24:28,400 We're playing crazy old games from the 1990s like Kodi and all 1653 01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:30,920 of us, yeah, we might be mad, but we know what's good. 1654 01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:33,680 That's the thing, you know, even even people come into the hobby 1655 01:24:33,680 --> 01:24:36,800 nowadays, and I always find this very fascinating, like young 1656 01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:41,320 people like yourself, Cody, who maybe didn't experience like Rd. 1657 01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:44,000 Trader when it was out, but you went back and thought, shit, 1658 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,000 this is a good game. You know, I like what they did 1659 01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,040 here. And in some ways it's far more 1660 01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:51,080 interesting or entertaining than, you know, the modern 1661 01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:52,640 iterations of this game. So. 1662 01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:57,240 Well, I've, I got really interested in, I've always been 1663 01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,520 interested in history of anything. 1664 01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:01,960 So if I get into something, I want to know everything about 1665 01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,120 it, and that includes digging into the past. 1666 01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:09,040 And so like with everything I got into, I wanted to know what 1667 01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:12,880 came before. So like with D and DI, I started 1668 01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,720 playing other versions of D and DI, got into AD and D 1st 1669 01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:19,280 edition and original D&D and played all those and collected 1670 01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,600 those. And it was the same with every 1671 01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:24,360 like game I played. And Warhammer was no exception. 1672 01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:26,720 I didn't know about Rogue Trader until I got older. 1673 01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:31,360 And when I got back in the second edition, I, you know, 1674 01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,920 that was right around the time like the old hammer movement was 1675 01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:38,960 starting, like it wasn't really like kicked off properly yet, 1676 01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,200 but it was starting to get going. 1677 01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:44,400 Like I was starting to see like these blogs pop up and stuff and 1678 01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,320 I started seeing like stuff about Rogue Trader. 1679 01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:48,120 It was like, that's really interesting. 1680 01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:53,160 And Andrew actually went and bought the Road Trader book. 1681 01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:59,160 And so when we were playing Second edition back then, we 1682 01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:02,520 started playing Rd. Trader too, and we got into that 1683 01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:04,440 as well. And so like, yeah, I've always 1684 01:26:04,440 --> 01:26:07,040 been really interested in the history of gaming as well. 1685 01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:10,680 And like, I think not just from a historical perspective, I 1686 01:26:10,680 --> 01:26:12,360 actually like to play those games. 1687 01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:15,440 I think there's still merits and a lot of those old games, like 1688 01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:17,040 there's something to be had there. 1689 01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:19,760 Like I, you know, there's there, it's, there's still good games 1690 01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:21,560 and there's something be had, right? 1691 01:26:21,560 --> 01:26:24,200 Like I, I don't think just because the game's old, it's 1692 01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:26,960 inferior or there's nothing to see there, right? 1693 01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:29,680 So, yeah, I've always been into older games. 1694 01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:33,120 That's nothing new to me. That's good mate, That's good. 1695 01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:36,040 That's good to know. OK, what does sci-fi say? 1696 01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:38,120 If he's still awake? That was a towel that needed an 1697 01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:42,200 old pub fly place and purpose beers for the telling. 1698 01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:43,800 Thanks for sharing. Yeah, it was, mate. 1699 01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,480 It was good. Yeah, that's wonderful. 1700 01:26:47,320 --> 01:26:49,160 OK, now whoa. Got some more things here. 1701 01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:50,840 What we've got here. Robo dogs here. 1702 01:26:53,480 --> 01:26:55,440 Yes, very much. Right. 1703 01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:59,240 So I didn't mention it, but when I got back into gaming, I've 1704 01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:01,560 always wanted to play historical games. 1705 01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:05,640 Even when I was like first got into gaming, I remember going up 1706 01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:09,120 to Hobby Town and seeing all these historical miniatures and 1707 01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:13,360 I was really in love with military history even as a kid. 1708 01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:17,360 And there was a group there that met at Hobby Town USA that 1709 01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:18,760 actually played historical games. 1710 01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:22,400 And they were playing like Fire and Fury and you know, what was 1711 01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:25,440 the other one? Some World War Two game and 1712 01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:27,400 stuff. But there were these old guys 1713 01:27:27,400 --> 01:27:30,200 and I remember like they would be like, you know, pushing me 1714 01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:31,840 away. Like, you know, step away from 1715 01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,920 the table kid. Like we don't want you, you 1716 01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,320 know, like they did not want some little kid hanging around 1717 01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:40,640 their table or whatever. So but when I got older and got 1718 01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:44,720 back into gaming, I found out that there was AII was very 1719 01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:46,680 interested in getting into historical games. 1720 01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:49,600 I just didn't know anybody that was interested in it. 1721 01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:53,320 And I found a group here that had been here for 30 years and I 1722 01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:56,680 didn't even know about it. And they met at the gaming store 1723 01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:59,160 that I used to go to and still go to to this day. 1724 01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:02,640 And so I started gaming with those guys and still do. 1725 01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:08,160 And it's a very old school historical war games club. 1726 01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:12,160 So what I mean by that is they have a, they don't play in a 1727 01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:13,920 game store anymore. They actually have an office 1728 01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:15,600 building that one of the guys owns. 1729 01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,760 And they they play there every Tuesday night. 1730 01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:19,440 They also play there on Saturdays. 1731 01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,920 And basically they schedule out games. 1732 01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:26,280 So one guy will be like, I'm running World War 2 this week. 1733 01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:29,800 And his responsibility, he brings all the miniatures, he 1734 01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:33,320 sets up all the terrain and he referees the game for everybody, 1735 01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,440 right? Like so that's the way that club 1736 01:28:36,440 --> 01:28:39,120 plays. So I definitely got involved in 1737 01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:41,960 that. And I have several different 1738 01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:45,240 historical armies. I have American Civil War in 1739 01:28:45,240 --> 01:28:48,200 three different scales. I have Napoleonics, I have 1740 01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:52,080 American Revolution. My favorite period is obviously 1741 01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:55,360 like the 19th and 18th century. That's always been what's 1742 01:28:55,360 --> 01:29:00,160 fascinated me the most. So American Civil War, Seven 1743 01:29:00,160 --> 01:29:03,280 Years War, Napoleonic Wars, any of that stuff I really love, 1744 01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:07,760 especially American Civil War like that because, you know, 1745 01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:13,440 being in Tennessee, like I can literally drive 30 minutes and 1746 01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:15,000 I'm on a Civil War battlefield, right. 1747 01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:18,240 So I grew up around, you know, American Civil War history all 1748 01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:19,680 around me. So that's always really 1749 01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:23,560 fascinated me. So that's my kind of thing for 1750 01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:27,080 historical gaming. But I'd love, I love all that 1751 01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:28,840 stuff. So, you know, I, I still 1752 01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:31,040 regularly play historical games for sure. 1753 01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:33,120 And I really like them, Yeah. Oh, that's good, man. 1754 01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:35,040 That's great. Last, you've got an army in 1755 01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,280 three different scales. That's that's unbelievable. 1756 01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:39,520 You're a real historical gamer. Yeah. 1757 01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:43,680 Because that's a real game. Yeah, so my earliest is seems 1758 01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:47,360 pretty boring compared to Cody. No drug, sex and rock'n'roll for 1759 01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:48,960 Dan. It's just straight on the farm 1760 01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,680 out of out of college I think for him, unfortunately. 1761 01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:53,320 Good to learn to play the drums, mate. 1762 01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:57,360 That's what it was. What do we got here? 1763 01:29:57,880 --> 01:29:59,320 Can I can? It's going to click on it. 1764 01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:02,520 Yep. Have a Borgassus ball, space 1765 01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:06,720 Hulk or whammer quest Cody. Yeah, I definitely dabbled in a 1766 01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:10,040 lot of the specialist games. Like I said, we, I, I played a 1767 01:30:10,040 --> 01:30:13,440 lot of Gorka Marca back when it first came out, but we also 1768 01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:17,640 played Necromunda. I I've dabbled in all those 1769 01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:21,400 games. We played a little bit of 1770 01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:23,560 Warhammer Quest. We played a little bit of Space 1771 01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:25,160 Hulk. You know, if somebody had it, we 1772 01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:27,120 would play it throughout the years. 1773 01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:31,400 Back in middle school. We played a lot of Hero Quest 1774 01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:36,200 actually, which was actually way after our time, like I didn't, 1775 01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:39,800 you know, because we, I did not grow up when Hero Quest came 1776 01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:41,760 out. But what happened is we found it 1777 01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:46,000 at a garage sale and we started playing that a lot and loved it. 1778 01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:49,640 And then later on we acquired Warhammer Quest and we did, we 1779 01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:52,160 did play that occasionally too, but we kind of liked Hero Quest 1780 01:30:52,160 --> 01:30:56,520 better for some reason. I think it was just a lot easier 1781 01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,240 and more enjoyable and more accessible for everybody. 1782 01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:01,520 But I I love Warhammer Quest. It's a great game. 1783 01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:03,800 Space Hulk. I have played a little bit like 1784 01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:07,600 a conventions and stuff. Mordheim, I've played a lot of 1785 01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,000 Mordheim. I played some Blood Bowl. 1786 01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:13,120 I've got Blood Bowl there in the closet and some teams. 1787 01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:16,720 So epic. We played a little bit of epic 1788 01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:21,160 War Master, you know. So yeah, I've kind of dabbled 1789 01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:24,720 with just a lot of a lot of the GW stuff, you know, I haven't 1790 01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:28,120 played everything, but I've at least dabbled in a lot of it, 1791 01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:31,160 right. Yeah, good, mate. 1792 01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:34,320 OK, that's nice. Yeah, I think, I think for me 1793 01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:38,040 also hear requests is just, I don't know, maybe it's not just 1794 01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:40,520 nostalgia, but I think I just enjoyed it more than Wymer 1795 01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:41,880 Quest. Maybe you're right. 1796 01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:44,280 Maybe it's just the simplicity of it, the system, Anybody can 1797 01:31:44,280 --> 01:31:45,840 just get in there and start playing. 1798 01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:50,000 Wymer Quest would have brought these different layers and it's 1799 01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:51,760 still good. It's still, it's still nice and 1800 01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:55,600 it's got a lot of a lot of depth to it, a lot more than regular 1801 01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:57,680 hear request. But I like advanced hear request 1802 01:31:57,920 --> 01:31:59,720 a lot more I think personally, but. 1803 01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:00,600 Oh, do you? Yeah. 1804 01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:02,920 Yeah, I never played advance. Request Yeah, I love. 1805 01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:04,800 It, I've never played advance to your request. 1806 01:32:06,120 --> 01:32:08,600 I've always wanted to play it and I I've been watching you 1807 01:32:08,600 --> 01:32:10,960 play it on your channel and it's been really interesting. 1808 01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:15,880 Yeah, I I'd really like to give advance to your request a try 1809 01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:18,000 sometime and I'd like to play some more him requests again 1810 01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,600 too. I think that was probably that 1811 01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:24,040 was that was probably my favorite like dungeon crawler 1812 01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:26,600 game I ever played and I didn't really get to play it a lot. 1813 01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:31,080 So yeah, I need to I need to revisit Warham request at some 1814 01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:34,280 point and would like to play advanced T request sometimes. 1815 01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:36,640 Well, we should try, we should try asking Chris, because Chris 1816 01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:38,240 has got the whole base game and everything. 1817 01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:40,640 And I've played it with him recently for the first time 1818 01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:43,400 since 1995. Or when it was it came out. 1819 01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:46,520 Yeah, One one thing I've thought that I've forgot about. 1820 01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:48,880 Why my question? What I liked about it the most 1821 01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,720 was it's all driven by cards. Right. 1822 01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:54,560 Yeah, you, you flip the card and that's what the next tile will 1823 01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:56,320 be to flip the card. That's what the monster 1824 01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:57,720 encounter put the card. This is what. 1825 01:32:58,000 --> 01:32:59,640 And I love that randomness to it. 1826 01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:04,120 And it's it's. All AI driven, so it's like you 1827 01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:06,720 can just play cooperatively and that's an excellent feature 1828 01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:09,960 about that game. So yeah, it's got its merits and 1829 01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:12,960 I think I'd like to try it more. And I like to play the Kaos 1830 01:33:12,960 --> 01:33:16,200 Warrior and that, that sounds awesome. 1831 01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:17,760 I never got to do that back in the day. 1832 01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:20,120 Yeah, we were selling that at games, which it, when I was 1833 01:33:20,120 --> 01:33:22,200 working there, we were selling Lama Quest. 1834 01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:23,680 That was that time when it was out. 1835 01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:27,000 And but I just didn't have people to play with. 1836 01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:29,440 And when I started working in games worship, we just didn't 1837 01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:30,920 play games. And you were sort of just doing 1838 01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:35,000 demos and stuff like that. But yeah, it's got a, it's an 1839 01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:39,280 untapped little gem there. I've had a lot of then I started 1840 01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:42,120 hanging out with all the guys. I'm 10 years older than you, 1841 01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:45,240 Cody, so we'll get along fine playing a remote game. 1842 01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:47,200 There you go. Heck yeah, yeah. 1843 01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:49,680 I mean, I'm still hanging out with older guys, so you know. 1844 01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:51,680 Hang on, wait, wait, hang on me. I'm anxious. 1845 01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:56,880 OK, so we've got Rubber Dog. I know nothing about Battletech. 1846 01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,800 Do people still play it? Oh, for sure, yeah. 1847 01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:02,800 I mean, Battletechs I think bigger than it's ever been. 1848 01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:05,640 Like it's had this huge resurgence, which is kind of 1849 01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:11,160 kind of pissed me off because what a so like, you know, when I 1850 01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:14,240 got back into gaming, like in 2010, battle tech was one of the 1851 01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:16,480 things like I was like, I want to play some battle tech again. 1852 01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:19,800 And I bought like all this battle tech stuff and nobody 1853 01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:21,920 would play with me, right? Everybody's like, oh, battle 1854 01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:24,560 tech. Oh man, that game is like old 1855 01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:27,760 and washed up. Like it's, it's so difficult and 1856 01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,080 ancient. The models look stupid and 1857 01:34:30,480 --> 01:34:33,160 everything under the sun. Like nobody wanted to give it a 1858 01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:35,280 try. And Andrew did play with me to 1859 01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:37,440 give him credit, but he wasn't like that into it. 1860 01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:40,840 And then all of a sudden they kind of rebooted it, which was a 1861 01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:44,120 great move, a smart move. They didn't really change the 1862 01:34:44,120 --> 01:34:46,360 rules, which is something I do love about battle Tech. 1863 01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:49,320 Like it's pretty much the exact same game it has been since 1864 01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:52,360 whenever like 1984 or whatever it came out. 1865 01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:58,000 It's it's pretty much the same. But with the reboot, like, yeah, 1866 01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:01,400 now it's like huge, like people are like playing battle tech 1867 01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:03,680 left and right, right. Like it's just it's crazy. 1868 01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:07,040 And actually I I've been playing some battle tech with, I have 1869 01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:10,280 one friend here that will play like a lot of these old games 1870 01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:12,560 with me that I game with regularly. 1871 01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:17,200 And he's got a really nice set up for battle tech. 1872 01:35:17,200 --> 01:35:20,960 And we both have tons, hundreds of Max and we play a lot of 1873 01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:23,240 battle tech too. So I still love battle tech. 1874 01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:25,880 OK, cool. All right, that's good. 1875 01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:27,280 Yeah, I've heard a lot of people talking about. 1876 01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:29,680 Musty games as well. They're talking about it in Tim 1877 01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:33,480 last week he talked about it, You know, so it seems like 1878 01:35:33,480 --> 01:35:37,040 there's either the old crowd coming back or this is a new 1879 01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:38,640 crowd of people playing battle tech. 1880 01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:42,160 And yeah, it's seems very popular in Ireland. 1881 01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:44,600 I don't know why, but there's a lot of Irish people who play it. 1882 01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:46,680 Yeah, seems seems to be that way. 1883 01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:48,520 Anyway, maybe I'm wrong there, but it just seems they've got 1884 01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:52,360 like actual dedicated groups of people playing the game and like 1885 01:35:52,360 --> 01:35:53,920 organized play and stuff like that. 1886 01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:57,800 So Dan says and iterates yes rubber dog Battlesech is still 1887 01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:01,720 very popular so because I know that rusty on his channel he 1888 01:36:01,720 --> 01:36:06,880 does a lot of battle tech stuff there yeah, it seems to be a big 1889 01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:08,960 resurgence and battle tech. I think they re released the 1890 01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:12,760 simplified rule set also, but I think the plastic miniatures 1891 01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:14,800 that Cody was alluding to too and I think Tim showed me, 1892 01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:19,000 they're all sort of those kind of horrible PVC things, which is 1893 01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:22,240 sad to see. But I'm sure you can buy maybe 1894 01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:25,360 the metal ones somewhere you can still get on know what about 1895 01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:27,520 yeah, can't get a lot about that stuff and. 1896 01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:29,920 But. Yeah, I don't really know much 1897 01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:34,120 about that'll take, to be honest, but seems almost 1898 01:36:34,440 --> 01:36:36,280 slightly interesting. Cody, how do you have the time 1899 01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:39,040 to be into the all these things? Do you have a do you not have a 1900 01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:41,320 phone Exactly. Throw away your bloody cell 1901 01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:43,480 phone, a smartphone. That's really distracting. 1902 01:36:43,960 --> 01:36:45,120 Yeah. I don't really spend a lot of 1903 01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:47,280 time on the phone, but I don't know man, like. 1904 01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,440 I'm I'm a busy guy. I've always liked to keep busy. 1905 01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:55,240 Yeah, me too, man. I have, you know, my, my dad's 1906 01:36:55,240 --> 01:36:57,680 always laughing at me because he's like, what are you doing 1907 01:36:57,680 --> 01:36:59,720 tonight? You know, he's because he knows 1908 01:36:59,720 --> 01:37:02,800 I'm going to be doing something. Drinking, drinking with the boys 1909 01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:06,040 down the pub. I'm always. 1910 01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:08,400 Like I'm always busy working on something like I'm. 1911 01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:10,920 Just I'm very active, whether that's like making music or 1912 01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,680 painting miniatures or playing a game or doing YouTube. 1913 01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:16,840 Like I just like to keep busy. I don't really like sitting 1914 01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:19,320 around watching TV and all that stuff. 1915 01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:24,040 Like I like, I like to keep busy and keep active, but I really 1916 01:37:24,040 --> 01:37:26,080 don't know, I really don't have time to do everything. 1917 01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:30,240 And that it does become a kind of a problem, you know, So I 1918 01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:33,360 kind of have to, I literally have to make like a, a schedule 1919 01:37:33,360 --> 01:37:37,600 now because I have so many things going on, you know, but 1920 01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:39,120 it's fine, you know, I, I, I like it. 1921 01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:42,160 I like, I like keeping busy and I like that I have, you know, 1922 01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:46,840 plenty of hobbies to, to keep my mind occupied, you know. 1923 01:37:47,640 --> 01:37:48,680 Yeah, that's a good mate, isn't it? 1924 01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:50,200 It's a good thing. I'm, I'm like you mate too. 1925 01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:51,000 I'll just go. Nuts. 1926 01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:53,400 See, if I don't have things to do, I've got to keep my hands 1927 01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:54,680 busy. I've got to do something. 1928 01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:58,600 Otherwise, yeah, I'll do something silly like drink a lot 1929 01:37:58,600 --> 01:37:59,760 of alcohol or something. Probably. 1930 01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:02,800 Yeah, me too. Go, go, go and get a real life. 1931 01:38:04,280 --> 01:38:06,240 I'll have to catch a rest tomorrow, but it's very light 1932 01:38:06,240 --> 01:38:07,360 now. My sleep. 1933 01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:09,240 Yeah, sci-fi, you better get to sleep, man, because I think it's 1934 01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:12,360 like 4:00 in the morning or something like that. 1935 01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:13,760 Now one more questions. Unforgiving. 1936 01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:16,680 Yeah, much like well, much like advanced hear requests. 1937 01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:19,200 Very unforgiving game. Hear requests, add bit more 1938 01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:21,040 forgiveness, I think. But yeah. 1939 01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:24,280 Yeah, both of those game systems were, you know, you're going to 1940 01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:27,000 die. Like if you saw my advance 1941 01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:30,920 request adventures leading all the way to the final, then you 1942 01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:34,200 would know why you'd see, You'd see the evidence. 1943 01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:37,200 Was there remote? Ahq. 1944 01:38:37,320 --> 01:38:38,120 Let's do it. Yeah. 1945 01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:40,320 I'm more than happy to do it for you guys. 1946 01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:42,080 We got to party together. Let's do it. 1947 01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:43,560 We'll do it on Discord or something. 1948 01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:48,080 Oh, we'd love to do that. We'll have to work out a quest. 1949 01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:49,640 I might. Do something on orcs or 1950 01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:51,840 something. Orcs and goblins use my he 1951 01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:55,600 request miniatures in there and just do some kind of dungeon 1952 01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:57,800 like that. Maybe you guys can design it or 1953 01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:01,960 we get two people vote on or get someone to write a little quest 1954 01:39:02,680 --> 01:39:05,840 preload or something to it. And we'll preload, I should say. 1955 01:39:05,840 --> 01:39:08,160 And then we'll we'll sort of form something around there. 1956 01:39:08,160 --> 01:39:13,000 That'd be quite cool. And surprised that Josh was a 1957 01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:15,480 big Infinity player in the past. How about you, Cody? 1958 01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:19,440 Yeah, I definitely dabbled in Infinity at one point. 1959 01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:23,400 When I got, when me and Andrew were regularly playing games 1960 01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:27,040 about 10 years ago or so, we started playing a lot of other 1961 01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:30,640 stuff and I still do. I like, I like playing a lot of 1962 01:39:30,640 --> 01:39:32,360 other games or trying things out. 1963 01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:35,720 And at that time, I definitely, we definitely were, we were 1964 01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:37,120 trying out. Different stuff and we played. 1965 01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:39,560 Infinity for a while and we really enjoyed it when we were 1966 01:39:39,560 --> 01:39:42,320 just playing me and him. And then we started going up to 1967 01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:45,240 the shop and playing it because there was a big group that was 1968 01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:48,760 playing it actively and that's, I got really turned off by it. 1969 01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:52,720 This for one thing, there were way too many. 1970 01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:56,560 I, I I don't mind complexity at all. 1971 01:39:56,560 --> 01:40:00,000 But there was a lot of. Like little bitty special rules 1972 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,880 all over the place. It was kind of a mess and hard 1973 01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:04,880 to keep up with. And the other thing, it was just 1974 01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:09,480 way too competitive. I'm not really that much into 1975 01:40:09,480 --> 01:40:11,920 like the competitive like tournament scene anymore. 1976 01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:14,480 And around here are local scene with an. 1977 01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:17,080 I don't know if Infinity still a thing here anymore, but at that 1978 01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:19,800 time. Like everybody was just all they 1979 01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,320 were worried about was playing like tournament competitive 1980 01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:26,000 games with Infinity. And so I was really turned off 1981 01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:29,000 by that and we just kind of stopped playing it. 1982 01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:31,520 The other thing I didn't like was the miniatures are 1983 01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:35,680 beautiful, but they were a pain in the Dick to put together. 1984 01:40:36,440 --> 01:40:39,680 They were, they were a real pain in the ass to put together and I 1985 01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:43,680 did not enjoy putting those things together nor did I really 1986 01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:45,640 enjoy painting them. They're not really that group 1987 01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:50,160 fun to paint for me, so I hope I never see another fucking 1988 01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:53,640 Infinity miniature ever again. Yeah, absolutely. 1989 01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:58,160 I really, really mean that. So yeah, I, yeah, I've done my, 1990 01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:00,400 my, my. Thumbs and my fingers still hurt 1991 01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:03,640 when I talk about it because the pain, I put those, my fingers 1992 01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:06,360 through the tips of my fingers, putting those things together, 1993 01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:09,160 cleaning them up and then pinning them into these really 1994 01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:13,720 tiny little, you know, they were just so small to drill into the 1995 01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:16,280 arms and that kind of thing to pin them on their bodies, mate, 1996 01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:18,120 let's just hell. And then you have to then I'd 1997 01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:21,760 have to cut the tabs off, drill into the feet and then pin them 1998 01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:24,280 into, you know, resin bases and stuff like that. 1999 01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:26,480 Yeah. Never, never again, Never again. 2000 01:41:26,480 --> 01:41:31,160 And yeah, but it was fun while it, while it was there. 2001 01:41:31,160 --> 01:41:35,400 I still love the, the guy who designed all the left models, 2002 01:41:35,440 --> 01:41:38,840 really. On Juan Navarro, I think his 2003 01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:41,400 name is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 2004 01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:43,280 Brilliant guy. Yeah, brilliant. 2005 01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:44,840 Stuff he did. Amazing. 2006 01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:49,400 Of course, now it's all 3D digital sculpting and I and I, I 2007 01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:52,560 got to say for the stuff, one of the guys who does it, I think 2008 01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:59,560 it's, is it Jag JJAGI think he's another Spanish sculptor, but 2009 01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:03,760 amazing stuff that he's done with 3D sculpting and he's 2010 01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:06,560 really, really talented. But yeah, I mean, you know, I, 2011 01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:08,600 it seems to have dropped off a lot. 2012 01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:12,640 Even Australia was massive into Infinity but then it's just all 2013 01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:17,240 died out and and people are just going on to other things. 2014 01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:19,000 So. It's a shame because it's a good 2015 01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:20,520 company. I really like Carlos. 2016 01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:23,680 I like CB as a company. The people behind it are really 2017 01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:28,200 good guys. But yeah, I think their game for 2018 01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:30,200 me. And I think with Kodi too, like 2019 01:42:30,200 --> 01:42:33,440 he talked about 40K where he came back with migraines and it 2020 01:42:33,440 --> 01:42:35,840 was just horrible. Like you just like, I just need 2021 01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:37,560 to get out of this. That's why I changed from 2022 01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:40,680 Infinity to doing the older stuff because it was like simple 2023 01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:42,720 fun. And we laughed. 2024 01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:46,040 That was the thing about you never laughed at all. 2025 01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:48,240 You know it was so. Serious, you know. 2026 01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:53,120 Everything and everything was on that one dice roll, you know, 2027 01:42:53,400 --> 01:42:55,560 like I think I'm talking about it like I needed nineteen or 2028 01:42:55,560 --> 01:42:59,040 less on AD 20 A roll 20 and I just like threw the bloody dice, 2029 01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:00,880 you know, it's became so intense. 2030 01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:03,400 I thought, no, I can't do this anymore. 2031 01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:06,040 I just can't do this anymore. I've got to take got to step 2032 01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:08,160 away and do something else and maybe come back to it. 2033 01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:11,400 I just never did because I went into like 5th edition and it's 2034 01:43:11,400 --> 01:43:13,760 like no, or 4th edition or whatever. 2035 01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:16,800 And I said no, no, sorry, not doing that. 2036 01:43:17,440 --> 01:43:20,360 I'd rather play like second edition 40K and never go 2037 01:43:20,480 --> 01:43:23,320 anywhere else out of that. That was just, it's just in one 2038 01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:25,640 big sandbox. You've got all the rules, you 2039 01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:27,640 get all the add-ons and stuff like that. 2040 01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:29,960 That's it. I'm happy it's all contained. 2041 01:43:30,040 --> 01:43:33,040 That's the thing. Now, the other thing I want to 2042 01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:35,280 talk about with you, Cody, because we talked about this 2043 01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:38,600 before on a paint chat, was that you also played Warhammer. 2044 01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:41,800 Renaissance or Renaissance? Absolutely. 2045 01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:44,520 Like I said, I've always loved Warhammer. 2046 01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:52,520 Fantasy and what happened is I found this guy, which is Jack, 2047 01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:54,640 the guy that I mentioned earlier, the guy that I play 2048 01:43:54,640 --> 01:43:57,280 with now. Now Andrew moved away the cross 2049 01:43:57,280 --> 01:43:59,800 country several years ago. So I don't get the game with 2050 01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:05,080 Andrew anymore, but I met Jack several years ago when I first 2051 01:44:05,080 --> 01:44:09,040 started getting back in gaming and he jumped in our 40K group 2052 01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:15,600 and the, the guys there treated him like shit, you know, And so 2053 01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:20,960 like, I really do not like that. If if there's a new guy that 2054 01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:23,920 wants to get into the, you know, into the group or gaming or 2055 01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:26,400 whatever, I treat him with the hospitality. 2056 01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:27,600 I'm like, hey, how you doing, man? 2057 01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:30,440 I'm Cody. Like you want to play a game and 2058 01:44:30,440 --> 01:44:33,040 instead, like this guy, like plays game of them and just like 2059 01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:35,800 tables in and one turns like, you know, see you later, dude. 2060 01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:38,920 Like and I'm just like, dude, that's no way to treat like the 2061 01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:42,200 new guy, right? Like, so I saw Jack over there 2062 01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:45,400 playing this game with, you know, I was playing 40K and he's 2063 01:44:45,400 --> 01:44:47,920 over there playing with this other guy and this guy just 2064 01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:50,400 wipes him out like two turns and Jack's like packing up his 2065 01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:51,800 stuff. And I was like, hey, man, I'll 2066 01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:52,960 play a game with you. I'm Cody. 2067 01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:54,840 What's up? You know, like introduce myself. 2068 01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:59,800 And so we got to know each other and really cool dude, like Jack 2069 01:44:59,800 --> 01:45:02,920 is probably, you know, one of the nicest people I've ever met 2070 01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:04,800 in my life, just a really nice guy. 2071 01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:08,000 And we share a lot of like the same sensibilities. 2072 01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:13,040 Like we, we'd love, you know, we just love to play games to play 2073 01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:14,840 games. And we're not like super 2074 01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:17,080 competitive. I mean, we, we play to win, but 2075 01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:20,520 whatever. So anyways, when me and Jack 2076 01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:22,880 started playing 40 Ki learned that he played fantasy. 2077 01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:24,680 And I'm like, oh shit, you play fantasy. 2078 01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:27,840 Like, you know, I have a fantasy army and nobody will play with 2079 01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:29,280 me. So we started playing fantasy 2080 01:45:30,440 --> 01:45:32,000 and at the time it was 8th edition. 2081 01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:35,720 So we started playing 8th edition a lot. 2082 01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:39,560 Like we, I just stopped playing 40K pretty much except for 2083 01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:43,200 second edition. And we were playing fantasy and 2084 01:45:43,200 --> 01:45:45,920 every week I'd get together with Jack and we play fantasy. 2085 01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:49,520 And then I realized I didn't really. 2086 01:45:50,200 --> 01:45:53,600 Well, OK, So what happened is we went to a tournament like a 2087 01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:57,600 couple years later and this is the first time I'd played 8th 2088 01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:01,960 edition with other people and playing with Jack was OK. 2089 01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:03,720 Like if we we. Had fun because Jack. 2090 01:46:03,720 --> 01:46:06,240 'S a good guy and it was all in the spirit of fun, but we went 2091 01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:10,520 to this tournament and I realized like that was like the 2092 01:46:10,520 --> 01:46:12,480 worst experience I'd ever had in my life. 2093 01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:15,440 You know, it was it was horrible. 2094 01:46:15,440 --> 01:46:19,160 Besides, besides the fact that like there was a lot of beer 2095 01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:21,920 there and like, you know, that was fun and everything and got 2096 01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:25,320 to play some Warhammer, I realized that 8th edition as a 2097 01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:29,520 game was complete garbage. Everybody had the same kind of 2098 01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:31,720 army, like every army looked the same. 2099 01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:35,440 The guys that were playing it were complete Dick heads, you 2100 01:46:35,440 --> 01:46:39,720 know, nobody would, you know, and it's so the first day I was 2101 01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:43,240 like in last place in the tournament and it was a 2 day 2102 01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:46,280 tournament and I'd already, you know, it was in another state. 2103 01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:50,040 It was in Alabama. So I go to this tournament, I'm 2104 01:46:50,040 --> 01:46:52,240 in last place. The beer kind of help to. 2105 01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:53,400 Make the day a little bit better. 2106 01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:57,600 So the second day I come back and the tournament organizer, 2107 01:46:58,160 --> 01:47:01,440 what like was looking, you know, lining up the games and he's 2108 01:47:01,440 --> 01:47:03,480 like, oh, you're Cody, right. And I was like, yeah, he's like, 2109 01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:06,400 he's like, man, I'm really shocked that you came back 2110 01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:08,800 today. I was like, well, I mean, like I 2111 01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:12,240 paid to play and, you know, I'm here to play some fantasy, like 2112 01:47:12,280 --> 01:47:13,800 Warhammer fantasy. I don't care, man. 2113 01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:15,360 Like I don't care if I win or lose. 2114 01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:18,320 He's like, you know, he he personally was like, hey, man, 2115 01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:21,200 like I'm really, really impressed that you came back. 2116 01:47:21,200 --> 01:47:24,200 That shows great sportsmanship and like, you know, that's 2117 01:47:24,200 --> 01:47:26,880 awesome that you there was a lot of people that just dropped out 2118 01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:29,760 like the second day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2119 01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:32,280 Because, you know, they were there to win or whatever. 2120 01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:35,000 And like I was. Like play games and he's like, 2121 01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:37,400 dude, that's really awesome. You showed back up and like play 2122 01:47:37,400 --> 01:47:39,440 and everything. He's like, good on you, dude. 2123 01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:41,640 Like pat me on the back. He's like, go have fun. 2124 01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:44,840 And actually that second day was awesome because it was all the 2125 01:47:44,840 --> 01:47:46,760 people that had lost the previous day. 2126 01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:49,600 And so we did, you know, nobody gave a shit, right? 2127 01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:53,560 We're just like getting drunk because there was no, they had 2128 01:47:53,560 --> 01:47:55,840 like kegs of beer there. It was like 10 bucks and you 2129 01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:56,880 could drink all the beer you wanted. 2130 01:47:56,880 --> 01:48:00,240 So we're like drinking beer and having shots under the table and 2131 01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:04,640 just a blast while all the guys that are winning are up there 2132 01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:07,800 like at the at the front, like super serious and like, you 2133 01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:11,680 know, trying to win for what? Like, I don't know, you know, 2134 01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:13,440 because I mean, what are they going to win? 2135 01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:17,160 Like, you know, $50 a beer? Yeah, I mean, like, so we're 2136 01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:18,840 just having fun. We're having a blast. 2137 01:48:19,160 --> 01:48:23,000 But that tournament made me realize I really didn't like 8th 2138 01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:26,840 edition Fantasy. And Jack kind of came away the 2139 01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:28,400 same way. He was like, he got his ass 2140 01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:31,240 kicked too, by the way. And he was kind of like, we both 2141 01:48:31,240 --> 01:48:33,440 kind of came back and like this game really in that great. 2142 01:48:33,440 --> 01:48:36,960 And I was like, you know, we should, we should like try out 2143 01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:39,440 some of the older versions of Warhammer Fantasy. 2144 01:48:39,440 --> 01:48:43,280 Would you be into that? And he's like, yeah, I think I, 2145 01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:46,520 I think I could, you know, get behind that. 2146 01:48:46,520 --> 01:48:49,920 So I started looking in like I played 5th edition back in the 2147 01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:51,400 day. I played 6th edition. 2148 01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:54,560 I, I didn't play 7th at all. I don't know anything about it. 2149 01:48:54,560 --> 01:48:56,400 I from what I hear, it's just like 6th. 2150 01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:00,320 So I was kind of looking around what the best version of fantasy 2151 01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:01,880 is. And a lot of the older guys were 2152 01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:04,200 telling me, hey, need to look at 3rd edition. 2153 01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:07,360 Like that was like, I think you would really like it. 2154 01:49:07,480 --> 01:49:12,160 And I was like OK, so my girlfriend at the time bought me 2155 01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:14,720 and I still have it. She bought me the 3rd edition 2156 01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:18,400 fantasy hardback rule book and the Army's book for my birthday 2157 01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:21,240 one year. She saw she saw I was looking at 2158 01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:24,520 it and she surprised me with it. And that that was a great like 2159 01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:28,080 birthday present. So we me and Jackson are playing 2160 01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:31,480 third edition fantasy and 3rd edition fantasy is a blast. 2161 01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:34,440 Like I love it, but it is, it is crazy. 2162 01:49:36,920 --> 01:49:40,160 Like it's insane, right? Like, and we were both like, 2163 01:49:40,160 --> 01:49:42,360 this is fun. This is really fun as hell. 2164 01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:45,680 But like we maybe, maybe we should look at something 2165 01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:47,360 different. So we started looking at other 2166 01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:49,840 like systems. I started buying other like 2167 01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:54,920 games and stuff. And then I found Warhammer 2168 01:49:54,920 --> 01:49:59,720 Renaissance and I was like, man, this, it, I think it had just 2169 01:49:59,920 --> 01:50:03,240 like come out like on Facebook and like, I was like, this looks 2170 01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:07,560 really cool because it was kind of like Warhammer 4th edition 2171 01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:11,640 with a little bit of like modern alterations, tiny modern 2172 01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:15,120 alterations, but it still had that old school Warhammer 2173 01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:17,320 Fantasy feel. I was like, this is exactly what 2174 01:50:17,320 --> 01:50:19,640 I want. So we started playing Warhammer 2175 01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:24,640 Renaissance and we, we, we were playing that a lot right before 2176 01:50:25,160 --> 01:50:27,960 COVID happened. And of course, you know, COVID 2177 01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:30,120 happened and kind of like killed everything. 2178 01:50:30,120 --> 01:50:33,320 But yeah, yeah, we, I, I played a lot of Warhammer Renaissance. 2179 01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:37,360 I haven't played it recently, but I've been really itching to 2180 01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:40,280 get back into fantasy and I think when we do get back into 2181 01:50:40,280 --> 01:50:41,520 it, that's what we're going to play. 2182 01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:44,760 That's become my favorite version of fantasy now for sure. 2183 01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:47,280 I really like it. Cheers mate. 2184 01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:49,120 I'm going to, I think it's 12:30 I think. 2185 01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:51,080 Oh, it's 1240, I think. It qualifies me to have my first 2186 01:50:51,080 --> 01:50:52,440 drink of the day. Oh, there you go. 2187 01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:55,280 So cheers to you mate. So thanks again for joining with 2188 01:50:55,320 --> 01:50:57,840 us. And yeah, I think why my 2189 01:50:57,840 --> 01:50:59,640 Renaissance is it's part of our group too. 2190 01:50:59,640 --> 01:51:01,800 We play it all the time. We used to play. 2191 01:51:01,800 --> 01:51:05,040 I had got the guys into 5th edition. 4th edition would have 2192 01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:07,680 been a massive stretch. 3rd edition almost impossible. 2193 01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:11,720 Yeah, Renaissance basically bridges that gap. 2194 01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:16,800 I think the older, newer, newer gamers, older miniatures, newer 2195 01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:20,520 miniatures, all the profiles, new profiles, and it sort of 2196 01:51:20,520 --> 01:51:23,880 just merges everything in together so everyone can play. 2197 01:51:24,120 --> 01:51:27,160 Everyone has something familiar to them, whatever edition they 2198 01:51:27,160 --> 01:51:29,480 played, and everyone enjoys it, has fun. 2199 01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:32,640 And yeah, you still got the crazy 4th edition magic, which 2200 01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:35,760 is awesome. And yeah, I, I really enjoy 2201 01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:36,920 playing. I think it's it's. 2202 01:51:37,120 --> 01:51:39,120 Even though I love 4th edition. I love all the books and 2203 01:51:39,120 --> 01:51:42,120 everything and but yeah, Renaissance means we're playing 2204 01:51:42,120 --> 01:51:44,920 the game 'cause if I said if I was like stubborn and said, Oh 2205 01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:47,200 no, I'm not playing anything, I'm only playing like 4th and 2206 01:51:47,200 --> 01:51:50,320 5th edition, I would never play a game. 2207 01:51:50,680 --> 01:51:54,280 Yeah, I mean, so Renaissance is kind of like it's the saviour 2208 01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:57,280 that we, we just needed that just to get people on getting 2209 01:51:57,280 --> 01:51:59,040 the images on the table and actually throwing some dice and 2210 01:51:59,040 --> 01:52:01,080 having fun. And it's an awesome step. 2211 01:52:01,120 --> 01:52:03,320 Like it's a living rule book. So it's all for free. 2212 01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:05,480 Just download everything off the Facebook page you're in. 2213 01:52:06,000 --> 01:52:08,560 You know, that's that's the that's the other thing I really 2214 01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:11,880 like about it is I. Don't yes, much as I like 2215 01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:14,200 collecting the old stuff, it's gotten more expensive over the 2216 01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:17,080 years and it that makes it really great that we can just go 2217 01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:21,000 download the rule book every year in the army book and and 2218 01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:24,960 they have like an extensive army list, you know, like more 2219 01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:27,360 extensive than they did in like 4th and 5th edition. 2220 01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:32,120 So yeah, I, I really love it. I, I, it's definitely will be my 2221 01:52:32,120 --> 01:52:34,880 go to for Warhammer fantasy for now on for sure. 2222 01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:38,040 I still like I I, you know, if somebody told me, hey, let's 2223 01:52:38,040 --> 01:52:41,000 play Warhammer 5th or 4th or I would be all about it. 2224 01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:44,800 Me too, you know, but I think you know my go to for now on. 2225 01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:46,360 It's gonna be Warhammer. Renaissance. 2226 01:52:47,320 --> 01:52:49,480 Yeah, I still need the nostalgic, nostalgic kick of 2227 01:52:49,480 --> 01:52:50,920 picking up the 4th edition books. 2228 01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:53,000 And reading through and flipping through, I love all that. 2229 01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:57,440 But I can see why Renaissance is a positive mood because 2230 01:52:57,440 --> 01:53:02,520 basically, like Nick has done Nick here in Japan, he's worked 2231 01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:04,720 with Boulder. Boulder's the guy who created 2232 01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:08,560 the set and worked with him in order to, you know, check all 2233 01:53:08,560 --> 01:53:12,640 the spell descriptions, make sure they're all, you know, free 2234 01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:15,920 of any kind of ambiguity. You know, just making sure 2235 01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:19,520 everything looks really clear so that, yeah, OK, some people will 2236 01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:21,000 say, well, it doesn't really matter, You know, we can just 2237 01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:22,840 roll A4 plus whatever, and that's fine too. 2238 01:53:22,840 --> 01:53:25,040 But you want something that's really streamlined. 2239 01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:28,440 So when someone comes into the game fresh, they can read 2240 01:53:28,440 --> 01:53:29,800 everything and everything makes sense. 2241 01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:31,760 Everything is clear, The terminology is right. 2242 01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:35,400 And then there's no sort of, well, what we do here or 2243 01:53:35,440 --> 01:53:39,120 whatever, those kind of moments, because Warhammer is a system 2244 01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:42,960 where a lot of that comes up more so than any other game I've 2245 01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:44,600 ever played. There's a lot of like, OK, what 2246 01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:49,080 these two interactions overlap each other or they they you 2247 01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:51,480 know, they clash. What what takes precedence? 2248 01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:53,640 What you know, what happens here in this situation? 2249 01:53:53,640 --> 01:53:57,000 So the more clarity, the more feedback they get, the more 2250 01:53:57,240 --> 01:53:59,920 input they get into the game, the better it's just going to be 2251 01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:02,680 for everybody. So that's awesome. 2252 01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:04,680 That's great you're playing it because it surprised when you 2253 01:54:04,680 --> 01:54:06,080 said, oh, yeah, I'll play one more renaissance. 2254 01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:08,080 Like, wow, really awesome. That's good. 2255 01:54:08,440 --> 01:54:11,320 Now we we haven't played it since before the pandemic. 2256 01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:15,400 But I would like, I would like to jump back into fantasy. 2257 01:54:15,960 --> 01:54:18,880 Now, unfortunately, I don't really have an intact fantasy 2258 01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:21,680 army right now. My chaos army is in kind of 2259 01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:27,280 pieces. And I do have a third edition 2260 01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:31,000 era orc army that needs to be painted and a third edition era 2261 01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:32,920 wood elf army that needs to be painted. 2262 01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:36,000 But I tell you what I really want to do is I want to rebuild 2263 01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:40,160 that chaos door for me. And I'm really that's like the 2264 01:54:40,160 --> 01:54:41,600 one regret I. Have in life is. 2265 01:54:41,600 --> 01:54:46,320 Selling my Chaos doors, but with all the new 3D sculpts, I think 2266 01:54:46,320 --> 01:54:49,880 that's going to be like my, probably not my next project, 2267 01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:52,440 but it's going to be in line for this year, is to do Chaos 2268 01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:55,160 Dwarves. I think I want to do that. 2269 01:54:55,160 --> 01:54:56,880 And then we maybe play some fantasy. 2270 01:54:58,840 --> 01:55:02,400 Yeah, cool. And hopefully, hopefully we can 2271 01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:06,480 rope in some more people. I do know some more old fantasy 2272 01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:09,280 enthusiasts around here and they're all playing Kings of War 2273 01:55:09,280 --> 01:55:11,000 right now, which I have no interest in. 2274 01:55:12,440 --> 01:55:15,240 But I think I think I could convince a couple of those guys 2275 01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:18,240 to play some fantasy again. I'd be like, hey, you know, 2276 01:55:18,240 --> 01:55:20,400 we're playing fantasy. Like check this out, like 2277 01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:22,400 Warhammer Renaissance. I think. 2278 01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:24,960 I think I could probably convince a few more people we 2279 01:55:24,960 --> 01:55:27,280 get something going. Yeah, for sure, man. 2280 01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:29,840 I think once they see you playing it, and that's the thing 2281 01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:31,440 about one. Renaissance, if they see you 2282 01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:35,120 playing it, they've got more inclination to actually invest 2283 01:55:35,120 --> 01:55:37,680 their time in in building an army, painting and start playing 2284 01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:38,440 it again. You know what I mean? 2285 01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:40,560 If you just talk about and say, yeah, let's play that and then 2286 01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:43,240 it sort of just drifts off and no one does anything about it. 2287 01:55:45,080 --> 01:55:47,440 So like in our situation, like tomorrow, I'm going to go down 2288 01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:49,400 to casual to play it with the guys. 2289 01:55:50,040 --> 01:55:55,360 And we have, well, we did have about I think 10 people, 10 2290 01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:59,760 regulars, which is awesome, which is amazing for like Japan. 2291 01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:03,040 It's incredible. Now we've got now tomorrow we've 2292 01:56:03,040 --> 01:56:05,640 got nine people. I'm trying to get another guy 2293 01:56:05,640 --> 01:56:07,720 coming down tomorrow if he can to play. 2294 01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:10,480 So we're we're sort of losing people who lost Justin. 2295 01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:13,600 Unfortunately he moved away because of work to Hong Kong. 2296 01:56:13,600 --> 01:56:15,200 But now we've got another guy coming in. 2297 01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:18,400 We've got two other guys coming in who are urban Japan traveling 2298 01:56:18,400 --> 01:56:20,360 and they wanted to play in the tournament as well. 2299 01:56:20,360 --> 01:56:21,520 Like it's not really a tournament. 2300 01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:22,680 It's like games day kind of thing. 2301 01:56:23,400 --> 01:56:25,320 But it's good to see there's some kind of growth. 2302 01:56:25,320 --> 01:56:27,880 There's some kind of stimulus there that people say, hey, 2303 01:56:27,880 --> 01:56:29,720 these guys actually playing, you know, every couple of months 2304 01:56:29,720 --> 01:56:31,880 they're having a some kind of games day and having a piss up 2305 01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:34,120 afterwards. Let's go and play, you know, and 2306 01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:35,720 it's just fun. It's really welcoming. 2307 01:56:35,720 --> 01:56:38,080 It's like you never play. You haven't played one more that 2308 01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:39,560 sounds. Don't worry, it's not not a 2309 01:56:39,560 --> 01:56:40,400 tournament. Come in. 2310 01:56:40,680 --> 01:56:42,560 Let's get miniatures on the table. 2311 01:56:42,560 --> 01:56:45,960 You'll pick it up in no time and you'll be laughing and you know, 2312 01:56:45,960 --> 01:56:47,520 you're having a having a beer as you play. 2313 01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:49,840 And you know, it's just a good atmosphere. 2314 01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:52,120 It's nothing like a tournament. Because when you say when you 2315 01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:56,480 say the words tournament, it's this PTSD like, Oh my God, no, 2316 01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:58,480 like you had that experience. Like, oh, no, no thanks. 2317 01:56:58,480 --> 01:57:00,880 I'm not going to go to that. It's not like that at all. 2318 01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:04,320 We do record the points, but it's not it doesn't mean the end 2319 01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:05,880 all thing. It's like it's just for fun. 2320 01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:09,120 You know the the best I I tell you like so. 2321 01:57:09,120 --> 01:57:10,520 I used to play a lot of tournaments back in. 2322 01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:13,200 The day and the best tournament I used to go to, they don't do 2323 01:57:13,200 --> 01:57:15,040 it anymore, which is really unfortunate. 2324 01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:16,960 It used to. What was that tournament called? 2325 01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:21,720 It was called like the Wall or something and they played it in 2326 01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:26,320 Alabama and it was invite only. He had to get invited and it was 2327 01:57:26,320 --> 01:57:29,080 in a bar. They rented out a bar for a day 2328 01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:35,200 and had a 40K tournament there. And it was a blast because like 2329 01:57:35,800 --> 01:57:38,960 if you, if you came with like a power army list, you were not 2330 01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:42,120 invited back the next year. It was all about getting drunk 2331 01:57:42,200 --> 01:57:45,640 and having a good time. And it was, it was so much fun 2332 01:57:45,640 --> 01:57:48,040 because like the scenario, you know, they'd have a different 2333 01:57:48,040 --> 01:57:51,800 scenario every game and it'd be like this wacky, crazy thing and 2334 01:57:51,800 --> 01:57:55,320 everything involved drinking. So if you captured an objective, 2335 01:57:55,320 --> 01:57:58,840 you'd be a shot blast and you had to buy your opponent a shot, 2336 01:57:59,120 --> 01:58:01,320 right. So everybody would just get 2337 01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:03,280 wasted and just have a good time. 2338 01:58:03,280 --> 01:58:05,200 And that was the best tournament I've ever been to. 2339 01:58:05,200 --> 01:58:07,760 And it's it's kind of a shame that it's not around anymore, 2340 01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:09,840 but that that that guy had a good idea. 2341 01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:11,560 That was a lot of fun. Yeah. 2342 01:58:11,560 --> 01:58:13,880 That gives me good ideas actually, how we can do ours. 2343 01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:16,280 Like even if it's just. Like not a tournament, like just 2344 01:58:16,280 --> 01:58:19,960 us playing kind of thing like, yeah, you, you get, you complete 2345 01:58:19,960 --> 01:58:21,680 this objective or something like that. 2346 01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:24,720 Yeah, you get a shot of, you know, whatever. 2347 01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:29,960 You know, I think that's a really fun idea because what I 2348 01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:32,200 don't think you and UK would agree with me, and I think a lot 2349 01:58:32,200 --> 01:58:34,840 of the guys here would agree with me too, with the limited 2350 01:58:34,840 --> 01:58:39,000 time we have and that limited time we're going to have to 2351 01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:42,960 choose between all those games that we want to play, You know, 2352 01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:45,600 when we get to the table, we want to have a good time. 2353 01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:49,600 It's part of the enjoyment of the social aspect. 2354 01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:53,560 It's the game itself. And it's like, yeah, when I get 2355 01:58:53,560 --> 01:58:56,160 together with friends, I know I'm just going to get guaranteed 2356 01:58:56,160 --> 01:58:58,480 a good time because I know the guys, we have fun. 2357 01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:02,600 There's no competitive kind of ego in there. 2358 01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:07,160 It's just and we, we, we, we play, you know, to win. 2359 01:59:07,160 --> 01:59:09,720 Of course you can play because the winning feeling is nice. 2360 01:59:09,800 --> 01:59:12,840 But you know, if the way you do it, I think is a, is a big part 2361 01:59:12,840 --> 01:59:15,480 of the game. And yeah, absolutely, Yeah, 2362 01:59:15,960 --> 01:59:17,560 yeah. And we've we've all come across 2363 01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:18,680 various. Different types of. 2364 01:59:18,680 --> 01:59:22,280 People in in our war gaming hobby that we probably never 2365 01:59:22,280 --> 01:59:24,320 want to see ever again Oh yeah, absolutely. 2366 01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:27,000 But you stick, you stick with yeah, you stick with the guys 2367 01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:28,480 that. You know you know who are real. 2368 01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:31,200 Human beings and you know, really like to play for fun and, 2369 01:59:31,680 --> 01:59:34,360 and like you say, have a few drinks, have a bit of fun and 2370 01:59:35,560 --> 01:59:39,200 enjoy the game for what it is. But narrative gaming is a big 2371 01:59:39,200 --> 01:59:42,080 thing now. Narrative gaming is really 2372 01:59:42,080 --> 01:59:46,280 popular now and I like that. I like the aspect of narrative 2373 01:59:46,280 --> 01:59:50,400 of gaming because it's not just like it's a pitch battle, very 2374 01:59:50,400 --> 01:59:52,680 symmetrical. It's kind of like you're thrown 2375 01:59:52,680 --> 01:59:55,720 in the situation and here's the background and, and like Rd. 2376 01:59:55,720 --> 01:59:58,240 Trader does that very well. It portrays a story very well 2377 01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:01,440 and it can really throw you a real big curveball and you just 2378 02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:02,920 need to work your way through it. 2379 02:00:03,680 --> 02:00:05,560 But it's really entertaining at the same time. 2380 02:00:05,560 --> 02:00:07,840 So I think those kind of scenarios look really, really 2381 02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:11,040 popular now, I think with games. Yeah, I've always been in the 2382 02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:13,320 narrative gaming, and I think that's because I hung out with 2383 02:00:13,320 --> 02:00:14,720 my. Friend Andrew, and he's a 2384 02:00:14,720 --> 02:00:18,120 narrative guy, you know, he, he was a writer and like that he 2385 02:00:18,120 --> 02:00:20,080 had that mind. So even when we were kids 2386 02:00:20,080 --> 02:00:23,000 playing games, he'd be like, what's the story here? 2387 02:00:23,000 --> 02:00:25,360 You know, like we got to and he'd come up with this elaborate 2388 02:00:25,360 --> 02:00:27,120 like story and background and stuff. 2389 02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:31,440 So I've always been into that. And the other thing that 2390 02:00:31,440 --> 02:00:34,560 reinforced that for me is the historical guys, because when 2391 02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:38,000 you play like I play like there's, there's two types of 2392 02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:40,440 like historical games. There's like the competitive 2393 02:00:40,440 --> 02:00:43,960 historical games and there's scenario based historical games, 2394 02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:46,440 right? Like, and I like the scenario 2395 02:00:46,440 --> 02:00:50,000 based where you're either playing a historical battle or 2396 02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:52,640 you're playing something based off history. 2397 02:00:52,640 --> 02:00:56,160 It's a, it may be a made-up battle, but it's based off of 2398 02:00:56,160 --> 02:00:57,760 history, right? It's based. 2399 02:00:57,920 --> 02:01:01,320 And so like you have a referee that comes up with these 2400 02:01:01,320 --> 02:01:05,280 objectives and all that stuff. And so that kind of reinforced 2401 02:01:05,280 --> 02:01:08,640 it for me too. So I love having, I love 2402 02:01:08,640 --> 02:01:12,560 narrative gaming and I love having a narrative to the games 2403 02:01:12,720 --> 02:01:16,720 and I'm pretty lucky and that the people I usually play with 2404 02:01:16,720 --> 02:01:20,280 enjoy that kind of stuff too. I, I mean, I'm fine with just be 2405 02:01:20,280 --> 02:01:23,240 like, OK, you know, we're playing 1500 points, all right, 2406 02:01:23,240 --> 02:01:24,880 bring your army and we're going to set up terrain. 2407 02:01:25,080 --> 02:01:27,120 I'm fine with that too. Like that's, that's all great 2408 02:01:27,120 --> 02:01:31,240 and all, but I really like having that narrative and I like 2409 02:01:31,240 --> 02:01:35,160 continuing that narrative too, because you know, you play the 2410 02:01:35,160 --> 02:01:38,360 game and you can see the narrative unfolding in front of 2411 02:01:38,360 --> 02:01:41,280 you as you're playing. And that's one thing about the 2412 02:01:41,320 --> 02:01:44,880 older game rules too, is they kind of encourage that 2413 02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:46,720 narrative, right? Like Rd. 2414 02:01:46,720 --> 02:01:50,320 Traders, second edition, 40K, old versions of Fantasy 4th and 2415 02:01:50,320 --> 02:01:55,000 5th edition really have a lot of narrative built into the game. 2416 02:01:55,560 --> 02:01:58,760 So as you're playing the game, the game mechanics themselves 2417 02:01:58,760 --> 02:02:02,560 encourage that narrative to play out in front of you and you see 2418 02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:05,400 it all kind of playing out and you're imagining this thing 2419 02:02:05,400 --> 02:02:09,440 happening, you know, for real. It's not, it's not like playing 2420 02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:13,760 40K now where it's just like very, very abstract, right? 2421 02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:16,360 Like it's a lot more granular. And I really like that. 2422 02:02:16,360 --> 02:02:19,160 That's one thing I really like about those older rule sets is I 2423 02:02:19,160 --> 02:02:22,480 get really immersed. You know, I especially Rogue 2424 02:02:22,480 --> 02:02:26,400 Trader recently, like I've been revisiting Rogue Trader and me 2425 02:02:26,400 --> 02:02:28,080 and Jack have actually been playing Rogue Trader. 2426 02:02:28,080 --> 02:02:31,520 And he, I was like, OK, we're going to play this because he's 2427 02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:33,680 never played Rogue Trader. And I was like, OK, the spirit 2428 02:02:33,680 --> 02:02:36,600 of this game is, you know, it's a narrative experience. 2429 02:02:36,600 --> 02:02:40,000 So I'm going to let you like set up the terrain, you come up with 2430 02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:43,800 the scenario. He provided the miniatures and 2431 02:02:43,800 --> 02:02:46,480 he was kind of the GM, but we were both playing. 2432 02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:49,400 And so he set up this whole scenario and everything. 2433 02:02:49,400 --> 02:02:53,520 And like, we started playing and like, it was just, we, we played 2434 02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:56,680 two games like that late the past few weeks. 2435 02:02:57,240 --> 02:03:00,360 And it was just like some of the IT, it was amazing. 2436 02:03:00,360 --> 02:03:04,320 Like how immersive that was, you know, like, like the, the story 2437 02:03:04,320 --> 02:03:07,640 just really like unfolded and like, we were like, well, what 2438 02:03:07,640 --> 02:03:09,000 are we going to do? Like in the next game? 2439 02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:12,280 We're already like creating a campaign based on these just 2440 02:03:12,360 --> 02:03:15,760 impromptu like narrative games. And I think those older games 2441 02:03:15,760 --> 02:03:19,920 really, really enforce that and encourage that not just in 2442 02:03:19,920 --> 02:03:24,040 their, their, their, their style, but in the rules 2443 02:03:24,040 --> 02:03:27,440 themselves, you know, just because of, of how the rules 2444 02:03:27,440 --> 02:03:30,120 interact with the game. Like they really encourage a 2445 02:03:30,120 --> 02:03:33,800 narrative style and it just unfolds naturally whether you 2446 02:03:33,800 --> 02:03:37,240 want it or not, right? Because all this wacky shit is 2447 02:03:37,240 --> 02:03:39,960 happening in front of you. And it's, it's like a movie 2448 02:03:39,960 --> 02:03:43,000 playing out or like a comic book or whatever, you know? 2449 02:03:43,160 --> 02:03:46,400 So it's, yeah, I, I'm really into that and I love that. 2450 02:03:46,400 --> 02:03:49,400 And I think that's a big part of war gaming for me is the 2451 02:03:49,440 --> 02:03:52,800 immersion. Like it is I, I love that, you 2452 02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:56,080 know, and, but I'm sure some people out there will say, well, 2453 02:03:56,080 --> 02:03:57,440 Josh, your favorite game is epic. 2454 02:03:57,440 --> 02:03:59,720 Space Marine and it's not narrative at all. 2455 02:03:59,720 --> 02:04:00,840 And that's true. It's not. 2456 02:04:00,840 --> 02:04:03,480 It has no narrative in built whatsoever. 2457 02:04:03,480 --> 02:04:07,280 It's purely a tactical game, but I love it because of that. 2458 02:04:07,680 --> 02:04:09,760 I love the hidden deployment set up. 2459 02:04:10,080 --> 02:04:13,360 It's all for war stuff. It's I know where the objectives 2460 02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:16,760 laid out and there's no random there's no sort of random 2461 02:04:16,760 --> 02:04:20,640 element to it so much but apart if you play, if you play orcs, 2462 02:04:20,640 --> 02:04:23,000 there are some sort of random roles you've got to for the mad 2463 02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:26,040 boys, which are just hilarious. Every time they get shot, you 2464 02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:28,040 got to roll up two dice and see what happens to them. 2465 02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:31,520 They might play dead or they might run off or they might just 2466 02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:34,240 go completely Rambo on on the enemy and something like that. 2467 02:04:34,720 --> 02:04:37,240 So it's got some fun random elements into there. 2468 02:04:37,240 --> 02:04:41,080 But the straight epic spaceman is just very kind of straight 2469 02:04:41,080 --> 02:04:43,560 cut. There's no proof, you know, 2470 02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:47,240 there's not many, there's not many chance you need to roll on 2471 02:04:47,240 --> 02:04:50,760 that kind of thing. Whereas Rogue Trader is this 2472 02:04:50,760 --> 02:04:52,720 really. It's built for randomness. 2473 02:04:53,280 --> 02:04:56,440 Oh for sure, Just your creation of your army like the orcs. 2474 02:04:56,640 --> 02:04:57,800 You know, I don't have much experience. 2475 02:04:57,800 --> 02:05:01,040 With the whole system, but for the orcs itself, yeah, you're 2476 02:05:01,040 --> 02:05:04,520 basically saying, OK, I want to play this particular clan. 2477 02:05:04,720 --> 02:05:08,320 This is the limitations or prerequisites. 2478 02:05:08,640 --> 02:05:12,720 And from there it's all random, you know, And that's that's the 2479 02:05:12,720 --> 02:05:15,000 beauty of it, I think. And the name generation is 2480 02:05:15,080 --> 02:05:18,120 random. The, the weapons are random and 2481 02:05:18,120 --> 02:05:20,120 then you sort of got to build your army around that. 2482 02:05:20,120 --> 02:05:23,840 And I think, I think the Nigel Stillman philosophy of wargaming 2483 02:05:23,840 --> 02:05:27,120 really is built around that kind of thing where you create an 2484 02:05:27,120 --> 02:05:30,240 army and you it's fixed. It's that's it. 2485 02:05:30,240 --> 02:05:33,960 That is your 1500 point Rogue Trader war coming, for example. 2486 02:05:33,960 --> 02:05:35,480 And then you just play that forever. 2487 02:05:36,160 --> 02:05:38,080 You know, I think that's a real beautiful thing. 2488 02:05:38,520 --> 02:05:42,920 But if it's a it's a thing of its time and but I think it's 2489 02:05:42,920 --> 02:05:45,920 nice that people like us are sort of revisiting those things 2490 02:05:45,920 --> 02:05:50,920 that we missed out maybe all of our past that was sort of 2491 02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:54,720 rediscovering them now. Well, I will say like, you know, 2492 02:05:54,720 --> 02:05:58,640 you was talking about like epic. Epic not being a narrative game 2493 02:05:58,680 --> 02:06:02,040 rules wise, but you already come from that narrative mind space, 2494 02:06:02,360 --> 02:06:05,080 you know, so you can play any rule set and if you're in that 2495 02:06:05,080 --> 02:06:08,480 narrative mind space, like the rules don't have to enforce that 2496 02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:14,360 to create a narrative, you know, So I, I think you know that you, 2497 02:06:14,360 --> 02:06:16,800 you already have that narrative and unfolding in front of you 2498 02:06:16,800 --> 02:06:20,000 because you grew up with that narrative experience of playing 2499 02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:23,160 a lot of these older games. And that's still hot. 2500 02:06:23,160 --> 02:06:25,800 How I approach any game, whatever we're playing like I, 2501 02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:29,200 you know, it doesn't matter what it I think also it kind of for 2502 02:06:29,200 --> 02:06:31,720 me, it comes a lot of that probably comes from the 2503 02:06:31,720 --> 02:06:35,000 role-playing experience too, because I've always been a heavy 2504 02:06:35,000 --> 02:06:38,120 role player and still AM. And so I kind of want to role 2505 02:06:38,120 --> 02:06:41,440 play too when, you know, when when I'm more gaming, I'm like, 2506 02:06:41,440 --> 02:06:45,920 I am this Orac were boss or this Harlequin, you know, whatever, 2507 02:06:46,560 --> 02:06:50,040 you know, grand Harlequin or whatever, you know, so like, and 2508 02:06:50,040 --> 02:06:52,160 it come up with a name for the guy and like start thinking 2509 02:06:52,160 --> 02:06:54,840 about like what his background is and stuff and like really 2510 02:06:54,840 --> 02:06:56,720 putting myself in the headspace that. 2511 02:06:57,200 --> 02:07:00,600 And but I I like that. Like it's it's an escape and 2512 02:07:00,600 --> 02:07:03,840 it's yeah, it's really cool. Rogue Trader. 2513 02:07:04,600 --> 02:07:06,800 It's been really interesting to revisit that game. 2514 02:07:07,040 --> 02:07:12,080 I will say I don't think I'll be honest, I don't think it's the 2515 02:07:12,080 --> 02:07:15,360 greatest rule set. Like rule set wise, I think 2516 02:07:15,360 --> 02:07:16,840 second edition is a better rule set. 2517 02:07:17,680 --> 02:07:21,000 But all the ideas in row trader I think are amazing. 2518 02:07:21,640 --> 02:07:25,360 You know, like all the all the aesthetics of it, the all the 2519 02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:28,440 wacky ideas and the free form expression of Rd. 2520 02:07:28,440 --> 02:07:32,560 Trader is really, really cool. That's what I really enjoy about 2521 02:07:32,560 --> 02:07:35,040 Rd. trader. The rule set I actually think 2522 02:07:35,040 --> 02:07:38,160 has a lot of flaws. It has, I'll be honest, like it 2523 02:07:38,160 --> 02:07:40,560 has a lot of problems. I feel the same way with 3rd 2524 02:07:40,560 --> 02:07:43,000 edition fantasy. Like I love, I love the same 2525 02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:44,280 thing about third edition fantasy. 2526 02:07:44,280 --> 02:07:46,840 It's got a lot of like the aesthetics are amazing, the arts 2527 02:07:46,840 --> 02:07:49,680 amazing, the ideas and they're crazy cool. 2528 02:07:50,160 --> 02:07:55,360 But as a rule set, it's, it was better like in 4th edition, 5th 2529 02:07:55,360 --> 02:07:58,760 edition. So what I think I'm probably 2530 02:07:58,760 --> 02:08:02,400 going to do is take a lot of the ideas of Rogue Trader and 2531 02:08:02,400 --> 02:08:05,880 interpret those in probably second edition and such, you 2532 02:08:05,880 --> 02:08:07,760 know, like I, I think that's probably the way I'm going to 2533 02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:11,080 approach it because I, I have found playing row trader again, 2534 02:08:11,080 --> 02:08:14,040 I'm like, there's a lot of rough edges in this real set, You 2535 02:08:14,040 --> 02:08:17,920 know, you know, I mean, it's not a bad rule set and for the time 2536 02:08:18,400 --> 02:08:22,840 it's great, but I, I think like, you know, it, it definitely has 2537 02:08:22,840 --> 02:08:24,160 some things that could be better. 2538 02:08:24,440 --> 02:08:27,840 And I think second edition was better in my opinion, But you 2539 02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:31,080 can still take those ideas and bring them into second edition. 2540 02:08:31,080 --> 02:08:34,280 And in fact, if you look at a lot of those old battle reports 2541 02:08:34,280 --> 02:08:36,920 and stuff, a lot of the, you know, the studio and stuff, 2542 02:08:36,920 --> 02:08:39,560 we're still kind of doing that. They always, they were still 2543 02:08:39,560 --> 02:08:42,880 kind of playing in that, that narrative like style and stuff 2544 02:08:42,920 --> 02:08:47,240 from the road trader days. And, and so that's, that's I, I 2545 02:08:47,240 --> 02:08:50,840 think Rd. trader is a great inspiration is basically what 2546 02:08:50,840 --> 02:08:52,600 I'm saying. You know, I think that's like 2547 02:08:52,600 --> 02:08:55,520 the main like thing I love about Rd. trader. 2548 02:08:55,520 --> 02:08:58,760 I love I I still would like to play more of it and like 2549 02:08:58,760 --> 02:09:03,240 experiment with it, But overall, like as a game, I think second 2550 02:09:03,240 --> 02:09:07,120 edition 40K is really like my sweet spot for 40K, you know 2551 02:09:08,160 --> 02:09:10,520 yeah, I think I'd agree with you there because yeah, if. 2552 02:09:10,760 --> 02:09:14,000 I think the cards for second edition built the narrative 2553 02:09:14,000 --> 02:09:16,640 around you get the mission cards, you get the strategy 2554 02:09:16,640 --> 02:09:19,560 cards, and it sort of tells a story within the game through 2555 02:09:19,560 --> 02:09:21,560 the randomization of those cards. 2556 02:09:22,920 --> 02:09:26,080 And I think I like that. I like that how it does that in 2557 02:09:26,080 --> 02:09:29,760 second edition. So yeah, it's it's kind of like 2558 02:09:29,760 --> 02:09:34,960 if every edition has their kind of memorable parts or things 2559 02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:36,920 that did better. And and then, you know, you just 2560 02:09:36,920 --> 02:09:39,320 find the edition that you want to play or like you say, take 2561 02:09:39,320 --> 02:09:42,520 things, extract things that you want from an edition and sort of 2562 02:09:42,520 --> 02:09:45,520 built into that. And Rick Priestly, I think said, 2563 02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:49,360 I don't know who said it, but he said that he likes when people 2564 02:09:49,360 --> 02:09:52,240 play the games, but he's sort of disappointed when they don't 2565 02:09:52,240 --> 02:09:56,480 want to change it or they don't want to evolve it somehow make 2566 02:09:56,480 --> 02:09:59,120 it their own game. So I think even 4th edition, if 2567 02:09:59,120 --> 02:10:03,240 you if you look in those books, he always comments or has some 2568 02:10:03,240 --> 02:10:06,640 kind of commentary to say, you know, use these rules as a pure 2569 02:10:06,640 --> 02:10:10,640 guideline and please feel free to change it in any way you want 2570 02:10:10,720 --> 02:10:14,560 to, to suit your play style. So if you take 4th edition 2571 02:10:14,560 --> 02:10:18,960 fantasy, for example, but you like third edition aspects of 2572 02:10:18,960 --> 02:10:21,120 3rd edition, you can sort of just import those into 4th 2573 02:10:21,120 --> 02:10:23,720 edition and play as your own sort of home brew rules and that 2574 02:10:23,720 --> 02:10:25,880 kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, for sure. 2575 02:10:26,680 --> 02:10:28,040 So yeah, it's it's very flexible. 2576 02:10:28,040 --> 02:10:29,880 It's it's your own game, you know, make. 2577 02:10:29,880 --> 02:10:33,080 It make a make of it as you as you will, because in those days 2578 02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:36,440 like Rd. trade and that kind of thing, it wasn't a competitive 2579 02:10:36,440 --> 02:10:37,640 game. And I think that's the beauty of 2580 02:10:37,640 --> 02:10:39,200 those games. They were not designed for 2581 02:10:39,200 --> 02:10:40,520 tournaments. They were not designed for 2582 02:10:40,520 --> 02:10:42,720 competitive play, organized play. 2583 02:10:42,720 --> 02:10:46,560 They were designed for you and your friends to create some kind 2584 02:10:46,560 --> 02:10:50,720 of scenario play out at play out some kind of narrative and enjoy 2585 02:10:50,720 --> 02:10:54,000 that experience. And I think Cody, you'll you'll 2586 02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:57,160 agree with me that those narrative experience games we 2587 02:10:57,160 --> 02:11:00,080 play are the most memorable of all the games we've ever played. 2588 02:11:00,080 --> 02:11:02,200 You know what I mean? Like that at the time when 2589 02:11:02,200 --> 02:11:05,720 someone set a scenario or, and there are moments in games where 2590 02:11:05,720 --> 02:11:07,160 you think, oh, man, I'll never forget that. 2591 02:11:07,160 --> 02:11:09,400 That's so cool what happened there, because it was just so 2592 02:11:09,400 --> 02:11:11,440 against the odds, but I managed to overcome it. 2593 02:11:11,440 --> 02:11:15,720 My role to, you know, to 66 or things like that, which, you 2594 02:11:15,720 --> 02:11:17,320 know, does stick in your mind forever. 2595 02:11:17,960 --> 02:11:23,280 Yeah, exactly. The campaign sets for 5th 2596 02:11:23,280 --> 02:11:26,760 edition are of particular. Interest of me because I didn't 2597 02:11:26,840 --> 02:11:30,160 play those during the day and I only did those when I came back 2598 02:11:30,160 --> 02:11:31,720 to playing 5th edition Warhammer. 2599 02:11:32,280 --> 02:11:35,080 And they are just beautiful because what it really gives you 2600 02:11:35,120 --> 02:11:36,960 is it sets the background for you. 2601 02:11:37,960 --> 02:11:44,200 Each, each of the the four-game scenarios you play have some 2602 02:11:44,200 --> 02:11:47,600 kind of consequence. So if you're the winner, like if 2603 02:11:47,600 --> 02:11:50,280 you, if you're the protagonist and if you win the game, you 2604 02:11:50,280 --> 02:11:53,160 have certain benefits. If you lose the game, you will 2605 02:11:53,160 --> 02:11:57,160 lose certain, certain benefits Towards the end for the final, 2606 02:11:57,320 --> 02:12:01,400 final, penultimate, you know, 3000 battle, 3000 point battle. 2607 02:12:03,560 --> 02:12:05,000 I love how they put them together. 2608 02:12:05,000 --> 02:12:08,400 I think the guys who wrote those, I think Nigel Stillman 2609 02:12:08,400 --> 02:12:12,800 did some, I think Rick Priestly did some, Thomas Puranan did a 2610 02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:17,360 few as well. And I think they did it for the 2611 02:12:17,360 --> 02:12:21,400 reason of creating a narrative thing where characters weren't 2612 02:12:21,400 --> 02:12:23,520 the dominant thing. They had a name, they had some 2613 02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:25,080 sort of special weapon or something like that. 2614 02:12:25,080 --> 02:12:27,120 But every everything apart from that was just your troops. 2615 02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:31,360 There was nothing really special, you know, and they had 2616 02:12:31,440 --> 02:12:34,080 all the maps laid out. They had like special rules for 2617 02:12:34,080 --> 02:12:37,200 everything, like the the the grudge of drunk had drunken 2618 02:12:37,200 --> 02:12:39,440 minors. They'd like this really cool 2619 02:12:39,440 --> 02:12:41,560 rule where they either had, you know, they'd either, you know, 2620 02:12:42,600 --> 02:12:45,200 either get drunk and throw up and do nothing for the turn or 2621 02:12:45,200 --> 02:12:47,680 that they'll should have charged forward in some kind of drunken 2622 02:12:47,680 --> 02:12:50,600 rage. Yeah, though it had some really 2623 02:12:50,600 --> 02:12:52,640 beautiful rules in there. And I think it was so. 2624 02:12:52,720 --> 02:12:55,520 And those games are very memorable to me playing those 2625 02:12:55,520 --> 02:12:57,240 scenarios for sure. Oh, for sure. 2626 02:12:57,320 --> 02:12:57,800 Yeah. Yeah. 2627 02:12:57,800 --> 02:13:00,120 I remember the only one. I I actually. 2628 02:13:00,120 --> 02:13:04,320 Bought one of those back in the day, right after I bought the 2629 02:13:04,320 --> 02:13:07,960 5th edition box set. I bought the High Elf and Dark 2630 02:13:07,960 --> 02:13:10,320 Elf one, which I can't remember the name of it. 2631 02:13:10,960 --> 02:13:13,680 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw you and Paul played the 2632 02:13:13,680 --> 02:13:17,760 first scenario of that and originally like me and Andrew 2633 02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:20,480 were like, OK, I'm going to, I think I was going to play High 2634 02:13:20,480 --> 02:13:21,960 Elves and he was going to play the Dark Elves. 2635 02:13:21,960 --> 02:13:24,480 It never happened. And we started buying a few 2636 02:13:24,480 --> 02:13:26,520 models here and there, but it never panned out. 2637 02:13:26,520 --> 02:13:28,480 But I did actually buy that like campaign. 2638 02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:30,520 And I remember it was, it was amazing. 2639 02:13:30,520 --> 02:13:33,600 It was glorious. I never looked at the other 2640 02:13:33,600 --> 02:13:34,880 ones. I never got it. 2641 02:13:34,880 --> 02:13:37,800 I mean, I think I've looked at them nowadays like PDFs and 2642 02:13:37,800 --> 02:13:41,360 stuff, but I've never never got to peruse really through the 2643 02:13:41,680 --> 02:13:44,040 through the other ones. But yeah, those were really cool 2644 02:13:44,040 --> 02:13:47,680 looking really cool. Yeah, absolutely, mate. 2645 02:13:47,680 --> 02:13:49,400 So they're they're really a gem you. 2646 02:13:49,400 --> 02:13:52,960 Can you can import other like he play one of renet renaissance 2647 02:13:52,960 --> 02:13:57,200 with those campaigns easily. You know you can put any kind of 2648 02:13:57,200 --> 02:13:58,800 rules that in there kind of fixes. 2649 02:13:58,800 --> 02:14:02,120 Got to agree with Cody Tony Tony socket together is way better, 2650 02:14:02,320 --> 02:14:04,720 that's for sure. I think you're all good there 2651 02:14:06,400 --> 02:14:08,960 and then my good mate Camilo. Damn, I missed this. 2652 02:14:08,960 --> 02:14:10,800 Glad I got to pop in to say hello. 2653 02:14:10,800 --> 02:14:12,160 We'll watch the full video afterwards. 2654 02:14:12,200 --> 02:14:14,080 Good name Camilo. It's good to see you here mate. 2655 02:14:14,680 --> 02:14:18,400 In Australia, is that Camilla the the Space Wolves guy? 2656 02:14:19,040 --> 02:14:20,880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that video. 2657 02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:22,640 Yeah, he's a great guy. Yeah. 2658 02:14:22,640 --> 02:14:24,880 Yeah, That was the first video I saw on. 2659 02:14:24,880 --> 02:14:27,400 Your channel was that? Video you played with him with 2660 02:14:27,400 --> 02:14:30,680 the Space Wolves and I loved him through all his Space Wolves and 2661 02:14:30,680 --> 02:14:32,400 talking about like the history of his army. 2662 02:14:33,400 --> 02:14:36,640 Yeah, really cool dude. Yeah, I want to get Camilla on 2663 02:14:36,640 --> 02:14:38,880 the live stream if he if he's up to it, if he wants to. 2664 02:14:38,960 --> 02:14:41,280 Come in and talk about his history to into gaming and stuff 2665 02:14:41,280 --> 02:14:42,800 that'd be really fun to do with him. 2666 02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:45,560 So rubber dog. I wish you had the chance to see 2667 02:14:45,560 --> 02:14:52,640 Joshua's pre yes, Falaheimer Winter Pano and his his left and 2668 02:14:52,640 --> 02:14:56,320 his pre sectorial Tunguska he painted for Melbourne player. 2669 02:14:56,680 --> 02:14:58,440 They're truly phenomenal. Thank you very much mate. 2670 02:14:58,440 --> 02:15:00,160 I did yeah. They were my first commissions. 2671 02:15:00,160 --> 02:15:01,920 I did. And when I first did commissions 2672 02:15:01,920 --> 02:15:05,680 in Australia, I did all Infinity stuff. 2673 02:15:05,840 --> 02:15:13,120 So I did a big Toha one for my good friend Paul in Melbourne. 2674 02:15:13,600 --> 02:15:18,800 And then, yeah, I sold my huge JSA army to another guy in 2675 02:15:18,800 --> 02:15:21,320 Australia, which I kind of regret about that. 2676 02:15:21,320 --> 02:15:24,640 I I really like that army. But again, it's kind of like the 2677 02:15:24,640 --> 02:15:27,560 opportunity was there, I needed the money, same old story, 2678 02:15:27,720 --> 02:15:31,360 nothing's changed. And then the Pano got sold as 2679 02:15:31,360 --> 02:15:33,000 well. And you know, you know, it's the 2680 02:15:33,000 --> 02:15:35,080 story of my life really. I paint and sell. 2681 02:15:35,080 --> 02:15:36,440 That's, that's my, that's my job. 2682 02:15:37,880 --> 02:15:40,800 Paint, play and sell. That's the paint, paint, build 2683 02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:42,440 and play. Whatever it is with the Dave 2684 02:15:42,440 --> 02:15:45,080 Taylor, it's the opposite. It's the paint, build and sell. 2685 02:15:46,160 --> 02:15:48,480 So yeah, mate, yeah. I really enjoyed doing those at 2686 02:15:48,480 --> 02:15:50,120 the time. I loved Infinity. 2687 02:15:50,240 --> 02:15:51,800 That was that was everything for me. 2688 02:15:51,880 --> 02:15:54,080 Like that was the only game I ever played, the only miniatures 2689 02:15:54,080 --> 02:15:57,520 I ever painted. I really enjoyed that time when 2690 02:15:57,520 --> 02:16:02,960 I did it and 2nd edition, the artwork, the miniatures, the 2691 02:16:02,960 --> 02:16:06,800 books were brilliant. And 3rd edition sort of 2692 02:16:07,080 --> 02:16:09,600 detracted slightly because it went into digital artwork, 2693 02:16:09,600 --> 02:16:11,760 digital sculpting and that kind of thing. 2694 02:16:12,080 --> 02:16:15,200 But I still see, I still see, you know, I still keep looking 2695 02:16:15,200 --> 02:16:16,680 at it. But I think it all looks very 2696 02:16:16,680 --> 02:16:18,600 much the same now. Everything looks the same. 2697 02:16:18,600 --> 02:16:20,200 Nothing looks distinctively different. 2698 02:16:21,000 --> 02:16:24,400 And that's kind of the, the off putting thing for me about it 2699 02:16:24,400 --> 02:16:26,240 now. So yeah, hell yeah. 2700 02:16:26,240 --> 02:16:27,880 Thank you, GM Cody. Nice. 2701 02:16:29,840 --> 02:16:31,640 Absolutely keen to be part of the live stream to talk. 2702 02:16:31,640 --> 02:16:33,559 About narrative. Army building and converting. 2703 02:16:33,559 --> 02:16:37,000 Well, let's do it mate. We'll set you in for April, my 2704 02:16:37,000 --> 02:16:40,559 favorite month of the year. And Camilo, you'll be on here, 2705 02:16:40,600 --> 02:16:43,200 right? And, and, and Cody's going to be 2706 02:16:43,320 --> 02:16:45,440 chatting to you and asking you lots of questions, I'm sure. 2707 02:16:45,920 --> 02:16:49,760 OK, well, Cody, we'll, we'll over two hours, mate. 2708 02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:51,000 Look, I don't want to keep you all night. 2709 02:16:51,000 --> 02:16:55,360 I know you have your wife or partner there probably wanting 2710 02:16:55,360 --> 02:16:56,680 to hang out with you or something like that. 2711 02:16:56,680 --> 02:17:00,400 You probably want to go to the toilet probably, or eat 2712 02:17:00,400 --> 02:17:01,760 something or do something like that. 2713 02:17:01,760 --> 02:17:03,959 Something it's something you need to do apart from talking 2714 02:17:03,959 --> 02:17:05,719 with me. But look, it's been an awesome 2715 02:17:05,719 --> 02:17:08,559 time, an awesome chance to catch up with you on the live stream 2716 02:17:08,559 --> 02:17:12,040 And, and that way hopefully people can can see you and, and 2717 02:17:12,040 --> 02:17:16,000 hear your story and and know you better and check out your 2718 02:17:16,000 --> 02:17:18,120 channel, which is GM Cody. Is that right? 2719 02:17:18,719 --> 02:17:20,520 That's right. Yeah, I got a little YouTube 2720 02:17:20,520 --> 02:17:22,120 channel. GM Cody. 2721 02:17:22,719 --> 02:17:25,240 I mainly it's very low production. 2722 02:17:25,360 --> 02:17:28,719 I I, I do that on purpose. Well, it's just like this. 2723 02:17:28,719 --> 02:17:31,360 As I say, it's just like this. Yeah, it's exactly like this. 2724 02:17:31,400 --> 02:17:33,160 So I just. Turn the camera on and I talk. 2725 02:17:33,160 --> 02:17:35,160 I like. It and I just talk about old 2726 02:17:35,160 --> 02:17:37,879 games I like. The one difference I would say 2727 02:17:37,879 --> 02:17:40,760 that sets me apart from a lot of people is I go really in depth. 2728 02:17:41,400 --> 02:17:44,879 So if I'm looking or viewing at a game, I don't care how long it 2729 02:17:44,879 --> 02:17:47,200 takes. I go through the whole book and 2730 02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:51,200 look through the whole thing. I don't care about chasing the 2731 02:17:51,200 --> 02:17:54,280 algorithm or all that stuff. Like I just do it for fun. 2732 02:17:54,280 --> 02:17:58,920 I I love talking about games. I love games and I do a lot of 2733 02:17:58,920 --> 02:18:01,639 role-playing stuff. I do, you know, I do some live 2734 02:18:01,639 --> 02:18:04,799 plays on my channel and I'm part of some other games too. 2735 02:18:04,799 --> 02:18:07,600 I run games. I am the game master, right? 2736 02:18:07,600 --> 02:18:11,639 GM Cody, but I also play in some games with some other people. 2737 02:18:13,680 --> 02:18:15,400 Just about every week you'll see me. 2738 02:18:15,400 --> 02:18:16,680 Either playing or running a game. 2739 02:18:16,959 --> 02:18:20,840 On my channel but lately, you know, obviously I'm a big war 2740 02:18:20,840 --> 02:18:24,760 gamer too so I've been wanting to do some more war gaming stuff 2741 02:18:24,760 --> 02:18:28,879 on the channel and I'm trying to expand out into that so yeah go 2742 02:18:28,879 --> 02:18:33,760 check it out GM Cody and see if you like it or not you know yeah 2743 02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:37,120 no I'd like I said I I when I met you and thanks for joining 2744 02:18:37,160 --> 02:18:38,959 our. Discord community because that's 2745 02:18:38,959 --> 02:18:41,240 how we met. I took like you talked about 2746 02:18:41,240 --> 02:18:42,240 your channel. I thought I'm going to check 2747 02:18:42,240 --> 02:18:44,000 that out then and I saw your videos. 2748 02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:47,160 You reviewed Rd. Trader, the book, so basically 2749 02:18:47,160 --> 02:18:48,559 the PDF of Rd. Trader, which is really 2750 02:18:48,559 --> 02:18:50,040 interesting. You go through all the parts of 2751 02:18:50,040 --> 02:18:53,559 the, of the actual book itself, the artwork and how to construct 2752 02:18:53,559 --> 02:18:55,719 armies and the sort of philosophy behind Rd. 2753 02:18:55,719 --> 02:18:58,200 Trader. I really liked the 1st edition 2754 02:18:58,200 --> 02:19:00,480 role play one you did because I love that book. 2755 02:19:00,480 --> 02:19:02,920 It's one of my, my books I've gotten was about 15 years old. 2756 02:19:02,920 --> 02:19:05,879 It's awesome. So yeah, please go and check out 2757 02:19:05,879 --> 02:19:08,600 Cody's channel. It's, it's full of great stuff. 2758 02:19:08,600 --> 02:19:10,760 It's got a lot of AD and D in there. 2759 02:19:10,760 --> 02:19:14,160 AD and D second edition, other role-playing supplements and 2760 02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:16,840 books that Cody's really passionate about talking about. 2761 02:19:17,440 --> 02:19:19,360 And mate, look, overall, I'm just really happy that you, you 2762 02:19:19,360 --> 02:19:21,559 come on and we, we found each other because I think, you know, 2763 02:19:21,559 --> 02:19:24,440 we really clicked it off or hit it off when we first started 2764 02:19:24,440 --> 02:19:26,600 talking. We, we, we liked the same things 2765 02:19:27,160 --> 02:19:30,440 and it's just really nice that we got together mate, and we can 2766 02:19:30,440 --> 02:19:33,040 do this together, mate. So cheers to you. 2767 02:19:33,040 --> 02:19:36,559 I, I drank all my, my sake now. Yeah, cheers, dude. 2768 02:19:36,879 --> 02:19:38,360 I really appreciate you having me on. 2769 02:19:38,400 --> 02:19:41,480 It's it's been great. Yeah, I've been, I've been 2770 02:19:41,480 --> 02:19:44,160 really having a lot of fun connecting with you guys on 2771 02:19:44,160 --> 02:19:49,440 Discord talking about all these old 90s GW games because that's 2772 02:19:49,440 --> 02:19:53,480 a huge, like passion of mine is 90s GW. 2773 02:19:53,480 --> 02:19:57,040 So, you know, that hits all, all the stuff for me. 2774 02:19:57,960 --> 02:19:59,080 Awesome. Well, you've got a nicer 2775 02:19:59,160 --> 02:20:01,000 subscriber, Camilla, to subscribe to your channel. 2776 02:20:01,440 --> 02:20:06,720 AD and D and also Vampire. Which vampire is great. 2777 02:20:06,920 --> 02:20:08,800 Yeah, so that's good. So go and check out Cody's 2778 02:20:08,800 --> 02:20:10,240 channel. It's good stuff. 2779 02:20:10,600 --> 02:20:13,480 I like how Cody presents it, and he just talks from the heart, 2780 02:20:13,480 --> 02:20:15,920 which is what we want to see. OK, buddy. 2781 02:20:15,920 --> 02:20:19,440 Well, you enjoy the rest of your evening, and I'm going to see my 2782 02:20:19,440 --> 02:20:21,680 little Pokémon boy downstairs and see what he's up to. 2783 02:20:21,680 --> 02:20:24,240 All right, let's go back. OK, brother. 2784 02:20:24,240 --> 02:20:25,400 Take care, man. Peace.