1 00:00:18,380 --> 00:00:20,660 Hello, welcome back to the Chronicle Man Podcast. 2 00:00:20,780 --> 00:00:25,020 It's Josh, your host. And today we have a pretty big 3 00:00:25,020 --> 00:00:29,500 episode talking to one of the legends at Games Workshop and 4 00:00:29,500 --> 00:00:34,200 especially in White Dwarf. As most of you fondly remember, 5 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:40,640 the Grand Warlord Adrian Wood and Adrian was part of the White 6 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:46,920 Dwarf team for at least five years and he was the face behind 7 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,720 playing the orcs in Epic Space Marine or I think Epic 40K Space 8 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,160 Marine when it went into its third edition and 2nd edition 9 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,800 40K and 3rd edition 40K. So he was kind of given the role 10 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,800 as being the Orc Warlord and you saw a lot of those comical 11 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:09,040 looking pictures in White Dwarf of him giving those sort of 12 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,480 orkish looking expressions and that kind of thing, having a lot 13 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,560 of fun with the guys playing out and delivering all these 14 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,040 fantastic narrative battle reports in White Dwarf magazine 15 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,640 during the early to probably late 90s. 16 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,600 So I hope you really enjoy our conversation today. 17 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,200 In fact, Adrian and I want to extend my thanks to him again. 18 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,280 We're so generous with his time that we spoke for I think almost 19 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,840 three hours. And So what I did after the 20 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,400 conversation, I said to Adrian, look, I'm going to have to take 21 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:46,240 out some of that and put it into a different, different podcast 22 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,800 altogether and just take out all the kind of, you know, as you 23 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,240 got into Games Workshop and more hobby centric related 24 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,440 information. All the other stuff I will put 25 00:01:55,440 --> 00:02:02,120 into a Patron exclusive audio clip that people can access if 26 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,440 if you're a patron, as a way to thank them for their patronage. 27 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,600 So Adrian was fine with that. So today it's still a pretty, 28 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:16,120 you know, jam packed interview and I really enjoyed my time 29 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,040 talking to Adrian about his very extensive time against worship 30 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:24,520 that spanned about 25 years, so which I didn't know about and 31 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:29,440 certain areas and facets about his time within the, you know, 32 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,240 the games, which umbrella as it were and different divisions 33 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:34,800 that he worked in. I didn't even know about that. 34 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,800 So very interesting conversation I had with him and I hope you 35 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,720 enjoy that. Today. 36 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,920 In other news related to the YouTube channel, I did upload a 37 00:02:44,920 --> 00:02:46,680 couple of videos in quick succession. 38 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:53,320 One was with our terrain tutor Melbos with his Terrain 39 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,360 Essentials book, which is a wonderful time of information. 40 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:02,560 And Mel and Dave are very kind and sending me APDF. 41 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,120 And I and I said let's let's put this on the YouTube channel, 42 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,240 let's get a bit, give it a review so that people can see 43 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:11,760 exactly what's in it. If they've never seen what's the 44 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,600 the contents of the book so that you get a better idea of what to 45 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:20,240 expect and you hear from Mel directly about the processes and 46 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:25,160 ideas and thoughts behind what he wanted to contain within the 47 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,200 book. So that if you were thinking 48 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,360 about or on the fence about getting the book you have a 49 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,400 better idea on how to get it. And and that way every book to 50 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,720 sold it's it's sort of kicking back a few dollars to Mel to 51 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,720 help him out which is great. So yeah I was really glad we 52 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:42,000 could collaborate on that and I think next week we're going to 53 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,560 go through his first White Dwarf magazine together which would be 54 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,680 really nice as well. So keep your keep your eyes 55 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,520 peeled on what's happening on on the YouTube channel if you can. 56 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:55,200 Also as of yesterday, about 8 hours ago I had AI had a 57 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,280 wonderful opportunity to talk with Matthew Bickley and Mark 58 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,800 far from Futsal miniatures. Well Mark is a partnership in 59 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:08,440 partnership with Andy Hopday at Futsal and they have produced 60 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,760 some wonderful games like Mortal Gods, Gangs of Rome, the Barons 61 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:18,680 War of course and they do a range of sort of Dark Age 62 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:24,360 miniatures for Saga and they have their own rule set Conquest 63 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,680 set in. So it's it's I I believe it's 64 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,920 based on the Barrens War type of rules. 65 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,320 So that was really interesting conversation. 66 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,480 I didn't know that Mark had been working for Gangs Workshop for a 67 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,760 very long time as well. And Matt seems like a very. 68 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,840 They're both very, very nice guys to talk to, very open and 69 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,240 very friendly and conversational. 70 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,880 So I would like to get them back onto the podcast in the future 71 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,080 so that we can sort of delve a bit more deeper into, yeah, 72 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,160 their hobby history. I'd really be interested to see 73 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:02,640 what they have to say. So that's really it guys. 74 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,760 As a roundup of things that have been happening in the background 75 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,480 here at the Crown of Command, I hope you have been busy this 76 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,440 week doing your own hobby and listening to the podcast or 77 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,560 other podcasts like Bedroom, Bedroom, Battlefields for 78 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,320 example, or The Forces of Fantasy. 79 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,320 So another another couple of great names out there in the 80 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,560 podcasting world that if you don't know about them, please go 81 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,160 and check them out and check out their content because they do 82 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:31,320 both great stuff Matthew and GJ. And until then guys, let's get 83 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,000 on with the show. Enjoy the Enjoy the 84 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:38,800 conversation. By the way hope we hope we 85 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,040 started we've. Started. 86 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,160 Oh girl, that's good. It's all right. 87 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,400 We're just that's that's brilliant. 88 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:48,160 Basically you'll now you'll now record and and then you'll snip 89 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:49,640 out stuff that's that's nonsense. 90 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,440 Like we go oh, we started and things like, that's great. 91 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:55,800 Oh, that's good, that's good. Oh, brilliant. 92 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,960 Well, that's that's that. That puts me very much. 93 00:06:00,280 --> 00:06:01,760 Yeah. We're giving all the stuff away 94 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,040 here and it's all like you can keep this in. 95 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,800 By the way, I don't mind it's buying because it's very much 96 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,120 is. Inform me, though. 97 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,040 It's a generic, you know, sort of a spontaneous conversation. 98 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:11,800 It's nothing. Well. 99 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:13,440 Exactly. Well, this is this how it should 100 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:14,640 tell you guys. Exactly. 101 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,800 OK, well, I'll give you a I'll give you a a bit of a potted 102 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:25,560 history because as with as with most the most people, everything 103 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,520 that you do interacts with everything else that you do. 104 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:37,080 And it's so I was how I got funnily enough how I got into 105 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:42,760 into this stuff was was was kind of similar to you in the in the 106 00:06:42,840 --> 00:06:44,880 that I was aware of The Hobbit book. 107 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,440 I was also very aware of Conan the Barbarian. 108 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:53,840 And I was, I was aware of Conan through the Marvel Comics and 109 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:59,920 the because I, my dad brought home some of these these kind of 110 00:06:59,920 --> 00:07:03,240 Marvel Comics and it was like wow, this is amazing. 111 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,920 This, this this guy who's like you know look you know look 112 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,240 looked incredible and and was fighting all these crazy 113 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:16,720 monsters and it was like in this kind of strange world a kind of 114 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,280 past world and all this kind of so loved it. 115 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,400 And then then I heard about The Hobbit because we started to 116 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:29,080 read a bit of it at at school and thought, yeah, get hold of a 117 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,760 get hold of a copy of The Hobbit and start to read that. 118 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,880 Didn't get very far into it though, because I got distracted 119 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:40,480 by other things and I was always very interested in. 120 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:45,800 I was reading like 2080 when it first came out and I loved that 121 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:50,640 and thought that was fantastic and and Star Wars and I was very 122 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:56,400 interested in horror movies and like from a very young age I was 123 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:00,520 very my mum bought me a a book called Pictorial History of 124 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:06,440 Horror Movies back when I was about 7 years old and I don't 125 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:13,840 know why she bought it me she just bought it me and and that 126 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:19,120 kind of started me on a road towards science fiction and 127 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,640 fantasy and horror and all that all that kind of stuff. 128 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,480 And anyway getting back to to the chronology. 129 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,920 So I had the whole bit and I started to read a bit, the whole 130 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:38,320 bit and then I got a record which was a a chap narrating the 131 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:43,480 story with Marvellous. I think it was like A5 record 132 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,360 set and you can find it on YouTube somewhere where he took 133 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,280 took you through the whole story and and did the voices and 134 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,280 everything. And you know it's when I, you 135 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:58,160 know I I first heard and talk about the battle of Five Armies 136 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,720 and I was going Oh yeah, I've heard the battle of Five armies 137 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,720 and now he's talking about it and and I love the whole thing 138 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,160 and at the end of our thought this is marvellous sissies. 139 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:14,480 I was also aware at the time of of role-playing on of Dungeons 140 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,200 and Dragons and I heard of Dungeons and Dragons. 141 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,920 I thought well this was great, so I've got a hold of a copy of 142 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,160 the original which I've still got the original Dungeons and 143 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:28,440 Dragons rule set in the the blue covered kind of the blue 144 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,960 coloured book. And the only thing is is no one 145 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,400 I knew was interested in doing anything like that. 146 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,880 You know it was like you know all they wanted to do was play 147 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,920 football and you know and I didn't have many friends to be 148 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:45,320 perfectly frank. It just one of those things and 149 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:50,480 well certainly not who was who were interested in doing doing 150 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,800 anything like that. So I thought Oh well I've got 151 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,600 this now but this is this is all this is all cool. 152 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:03,520 So let's Fast forward a bit. I went to art college and to 153 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,920 learn to be learn graphic design study graphic design. 154 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:13,480 So I actually understand point sizes and lading and how you lay 155 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,600 a page out and how you design and you know sort of actually 156 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,520 went into you know did a lot of that. 157 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:26,080 The reason I say that by the way is because these days I, I, I do 158 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:33,520 a lot of putting together. I put together posters for my 159 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,360 wife because she's she's a singer and we we both go out and 160 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:42,080 we we both go out and perform and stuff And I often see other 161 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:46,840 people do posters for to advertise them as solo singers 162 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,720 and stuff and I'm sitting there with my head in my hands just 163 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:54,920 going this just looked awful and I'll offer to do them posters 164 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,560 and stuff and it's and they don't want to spend any money on 165 00:10:57,560 --> 00:11:01,000 advertising. So I just think it's insane and 166 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,760 I kind of think but you you don't understand how you lay one 167 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,600 of these things out. If you know I'm thinking to 168 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,480 yourself if you took that image and you've just did this with it 169 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,520 or if you just made the text a bit better and if you chose this 170 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:16,800 kind of, you know it would actually look so so much better 171 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,400 but they but they don't want to spend the money. 172 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:24,320 So in the end I just I just do my my graphic design really is 173 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,680 is just done for myself and for Jules. 174 00:11:26,680 --> 00:11:30,360 Now we've done so we, you know, it's just one of those things. 175 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:36,040 But like I said back in the day, I start. 176 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:41,200 I went to art college it it mixed feelings about art 177 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,760 college, learnt learnt a lot of stuff but nowhere near the 178 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,000 experience I thought it was going to be. 179 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,240 After that I got I got AI worked in a school for a while and then 180 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,520 I worked at Ladybird Books, heard a ladybird. 181 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,720 I've heard of them, yeah. It's like a really old label, 182 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,840 really old publisher label. Well, Ladybird were, yeah, very 183 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,480 much so. Ladybird were a company that 184 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:09,560 were based in Loughborough and they they were printers. 185 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:14,440 What the book, by a happy chance they'd gotten into printing 186 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,880 children's books and it's what they were thought they were most 187 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:22,120 famous for with with these amazing children's reading 188 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:23,960 books, these little hardback books. 189 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,280 And I've got, you know, back at my mum's house, I've got loads 190 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,040 and I had loads more of these books. 191 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:31,880 I've got some. I've got some in the house with 192 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,520 me now. A beloved, beloved books. 193 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:40,040 You know, my mum had a, a family friend who who actually worked 194 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,080 at Ladybird, who I then went to work with because I got because 195 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:46,640 I got this job at Ladybird Books in the advertising department. 196 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:52,000 And I have to say I learnt more in my first month of being at 197 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,160 Ladybird than I learnt in the whole time I was at art college. 198 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,920 I mean, incredible difference between the, you know what what 199 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,680 you you go to art college, think you're going to learn, really 200 00:13:04,680 --> 00:13:09,800 learn how to how to do, how about graphic design and about, 201 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,880 you know, topography and an illustration and all these 202 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,280 things. And actually when you come out 203 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:19,320 of it, you've only really got a diploma and that's it. 204 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:22,520 That's all you get. And a nice portfolio that might 205 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:26,080 get you a job working with pretty much with what happened 206 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,320 with me might get you finally get your job working in a in a 207 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:33,520 decent company. Did did that for three years. 208 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,240 Great experience. Had probably generally the guy 209 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,800 who was considered the best boss in the company. 210 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,520 Guys called John Scott, awesome bloke. 211 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,240 I lost touch with him many eons ago. 212 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:55,360 His wonderful bloke great guy and it was great working for 213 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,480 him. He used he used to call me his 214 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,960 lackey which I found quite. I quite enjoyed that and I think 215 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:06,120 he he realised very quickly that I enjoyed that kind of that kind 216 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:11,720 of humour So you know that which was quite cool and but then was 217 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:19,520 then the company was then broken apart and like just kind of like 218 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:24,920 just everyone everyone was made redundant and and they they kept 219 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,720 a bit of the original art team and then they moved everything 220 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:32,600 down to London and I mean it still exists as an as an imprint 221 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,160 but but it's not not certainly not the company that it but it 222 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:44,480 was I had I was I went and worked for the UCCF which is a 223 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:50,000 company that who were the universities and colleges 224 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:56,920 Christian fellowship and it was it and they basically did and 225 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:01,800 that was working in their graphic design department and I 226 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,400 went and did that for nine months and then got made 227 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,240 redundant from there because they ended up in trouble It was 228 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,120 just one of those kind of periods in time and just then 229 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:16,720 just then I kind of saw because I because while all this had 230 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:24,480 been going on I'd I'd I'd gotten married then divorced very 231 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:31,120 quickly I was nasty and but the brother of the woman I married a 232 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:36,680 guy called Chris who you know is amazing mate and we both got 233 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:41,640 into playing Warhammer quest round at a friend's house and so 234 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,880 I and so and that was a that was a great experience kind of went 235 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:51,640 and we go round there and and and play warham and and it was 236 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,840 crazy because the guys who were all gaming with they're meant to 237 00:15:55,840 --> 00:16:00,480 be like lawful good characters but they were the most 238 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:06,600 reprehensible kind of cutthroat band of of miscreants you could 239 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:12,120 ever ever possibly meet behaved awfully and they're meant to be 240 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,440 lawful good characters I think I'm kind of I'm thinking this is 241 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,120 this is really funny this is this kind of because eventually 242 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,200 we moved on to advanced hero quest because of course that 243 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:28,320 gave you more more options for for more madness I mean not that 244 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,560 I knew any of that because I was too busy like like being the 245 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,360 character I was I can't even remember what character it was 246 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:43,480 actually but after a while I was getting a bit fed up with how 247 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,400 they were how they were behaving and how they and the stuff that 248 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:50,520 they were doing I thought you know let's start to push let's 249 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,120 start to push the envelope here a bit let's let's try and see 250 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:58,240 what craziness we'd come with so we were so we ended up with this 251 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:03,960 this this evil Wizards room that you know like you do when you go 252 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,160 on one of these questions you end up in the room and there's a 253 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,119 you know there's zombie over there and this that and the 254 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:15,440 other and I and these and got Chris was the dungeon master and 255 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,000 said describe the room OK and then he said there are rows of 256 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,880 vials of liquid along with us oh really OK so I hopped straight 257 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,760 over to all these vials of liquid and drank it As you do. 258 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,440 As you do, because I thought, let's see what happened, come 259 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,040 just let's see what happens. And he said, well, that's 260 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,800 interesting because you've just turned into a Scaven. 261 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,880 So my character was trans. My trans was transformed into 262 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:48,040 into escaping and actually actually legitimately evil 263 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,440 character. Oh, that was obviously great. 264 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,480 Now I can have some real fun with this. 265 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,160 If this lot of behaving, what's going to be, what's it going to 266 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,840 be like with an actual legitimately evil character 267 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:02,560 amongst you? I mean, I couldn't, I couldn't 268 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,600 compete with them because they were that bad. 269 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,760 I mean it really was, you know, I was the I was more like I was 270 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,840 the the good guy compared to them. 271 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,240 It was quite funny. But so and and I got myself a 272 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,400 scathing miniature a guy with a a a warp block pistol. 273 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,920 I still haven't got him still, unfortunately. 274 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:28,400 I wish I had him still and it's but he was and I loved it he he 275 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:33,120 was just it was great having just being different and being 276 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:36,720 something a bit off the walls. Me not human or all this kind of 277 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,760 thing. I seem really enjoyed it. 278 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:43,320 Then things like things changed and the night that they did 279 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:48,320 their gaming on was a night that I couldn't do anymore So I said 280 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,840 said to Chris you know I I'm you know I really enjoy gaming with 281 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,640 you and and all this kind of thing we've got to kind of find 282 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:01,760 find something else to do because I want to carry on with 283 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,600 this gaming we just have to do it on a different night So yeah 284 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,720 yeah that's a great idea let's go over to Leicester to there 285 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:18,920 was a there was AI don't know if it a it was a particular shop in 286 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,720 Leicester that was that were selling fantasy stuff and we 287 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:26,800 knew that they knew the gaming stuff and we knew that they were 288 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:32,000 they they stopped like Warhammer Quest and things like that. 289 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,760 So we went over there and had a look and and we were we were 290 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:40,840 presented with choice between two games one of them was Blood 291 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:49,000 Bowl and the other one was Space Hulk And so we went oh OK well 292 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,400 let's we can say well we could do Blood ball. 293 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,960 Blood Ball looks interesting. Spacehawk looks really 294 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,680 interesting. So we bought a copy of that. 295 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,240 I mean it was like £30 or something like that. 296 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,320 And we bought it, bought it, took it home, didn't quite 297 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,320 understand what we got. I mean, it said like it said, 298 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,640 three 3D role-playing game on the side, which was. 299 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,840 Which was which was when they were putting that on the on the 300 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,920 covers of them of their games just to try and sell it to the 301 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:26,040 role-playing people really as as as as which is well done that 302 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:32,040 that that you know. So you know and so we took the 303 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:38,560 game home got it open, realised actually this is this is much 304 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,040 more of a of a lot of of a tactical board game. 305 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:48,480 We're quite happy with that and started playing and that's 306 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:55,440 really when where things really started to started to take off. 307 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,600 I'm just having a quick review in my mind, don't think I've 308 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,480 missed anything out arriving at this point. 309 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:09,560 OK, so we played Space Hawk for a good while and loved it. 310 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:13,720 And immediately it was like, yeah, can we get some walks to 311 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,840 go in here? And can we, can we, You know, 312 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:16,640 can we. Yeah. 313 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,040 Really like the alt models. Let's, let's get some walks in. 314 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,720 What about Imperial Guard? And what about, you know, and it 315 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:24,760 wasn't long before we were here, we had Dreadnought stomping 316 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,440 around in there and all sorts of stuff. 317 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:33,200 I mean in some respects we we if we'd have gotten as I think as a 318 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,080 matter of what we've got if we'd have gotten Space Crusade that 319 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:42,200 would have scratched a lot of those you know those itches for 320 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:45,520 us in a lot of ways. But as it was we've got space. 321 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,880 We've got space for first, which in many ways I think is a is 322 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:57,600 such a good, elegant, sleek set of rules just absolutely stand 323 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,480 the test of time. Particularly the original rule 324 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:05,600 set where we really did have absolutely like quite a lot of 325 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,520 freedom to you know make your own stuff up and and and do your 326 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,880 own thing really, which was which we really enjoyed. 327 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,480 So we probably maybe spent the year doing that. 328 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,240 And around the same around the same time we were kind of 329 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,960 saying, well, you know we've we've done a lot with this and 330 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,280 it's been really great. I remember we got this, we got 331 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:30,760 the psychic system and it was just like what is this? 332 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,120 You needed like, a separate brain for all the rules for the 333 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:37,000 psychic system you could have. Have you ever? 334 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,720 I take it you played Space Hulk? I've played Space Hulk, but I 335 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:42,240 played. The first one I played was like 336 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,560 third edition. OK. 337 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:51,040 Recently second, so yeah. Yeah, because the original, the 338 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:55,920 original release was three. It was the original box which 339 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,640 was was Space Hulk itself which was really the the main, the 340 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,280 main thing and he had Death Wing which introduced which was 341 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,720 really a way of getting you to buy metal miniatures with the 342 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,240 assault cannons and the the chain fists and all this kind of 343 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,600 kind of stuff. And and then the last one was 344 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,520 Gene Stealer. And Gene Stealer introduced the 345 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:25,120 hybrids and the whole law of like you know all that kind of 346 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:28,000 stuff. But he also introduced a card 347 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:39,240 based psychic system which was incredibly complicated and in a 348 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,800 lot of ways I mean looking at it now, I mean actually I realised 349 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,720 at the time it's like you look back and you kind of like you 350 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,840 know I I read through the rules again recently in the last like 351 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,680 year or so and thought to myself you should really have read 352 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,560 these properly when we actually you started started gaining this 353 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,400 thing. Because you know it's like you 354 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:04,320 start to realise that the the flexibility of what a lot of 355 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,320 what you can use cards to counter other cards if they've 356 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,680 got a little symbol in the corner and all this weird stuff. 357 00:24:12,360 --> 00:24:16,240 But it was it was quite arcane. It's because it's just nice in a 358 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:21,680 way because it really suited the the the character of the of of 359 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,200 the game and of the 41st Millennium wonderfully. 360 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:29,000 But you did feel a little bit like you were you were you were 361 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:34,520 dabbling in sorcery, which is quite nice actually. 362 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,880 It's quite, quite cool. But after we've been doing Space 363 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:44,720 Hawk for a while, we kind of went, we were kind of talking 364 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,560 about, well, shall we start to break out of the Space Hawk and 365 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:55,120 and create like a grid, like a grid thing on a table so we can 366 00:24:55,120 --> 00:25:00,520 play like games of Space Hawk as if it's, if it's, if it's on the 367 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,160 table top. That was where we were heading 368 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,720 in our minds. I mean it was not almost not 369 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,600 aware of Warhammer 40,000 as a game or anything like that. 370 00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:18,800 And and it was at that time that Space Marine epic Space Marine 371 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:26,280 came out and I said well actually if we want to do, if we 372 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:32,280 want to fight tabletop battles, mass battles, that's what we 373 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,440 ought to get. So we kind of went OK, well 374 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,000 let's well, why don't we get that bit. 375 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:42,160 So toddled over to Leicester bought a copy of of Space Marine 376 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:49,680 brought it back and started playing that and absolutely fell 377 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,960 in love with it. I mean I thought Space thought 378 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:59,280 was great and it is great as what it is as as like as a like 379 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:05,680 a tabletop board like an almost adventure board game if you 380 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,360 like. It's so good for the action 381 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:10,680 system and all this kind of thing. 382 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:16,880 Amazing. But Epic was just like, I mean 383 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,080 once we got it set up and and I painted everything because Chris 384 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,880 was never a painter. Chris was never much of A 385 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:31,920 painter, but I very much became I I loved painting the 386 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:38,840 miniatures and I loved all of that and still do and collecting 387 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,600 and you know converting and all that kind of stuff. 388 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:46,600 And so you know and once we just sitting standing back sometimes 389 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:54,080 just looking at the at the our board that we were playing we 390 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,880 were playing on and looking at the spread looking at the layout 391 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,400 the way and looking at the you know the the Falcons like flying 392 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,680 around that flank and and all this stuff and the and the the 393 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:12,600 way the battle looked and being back from it enough that you 394 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,640 could like look at this thing. Because it's not it's not a film 395 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,240 of not a film. It's not a it's not a we forgot 396 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,880 film equality to it. It's not a game of tactics. 397 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,360 You don't win a game through game through tactics. 398 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,880 You win. You win a game of epic through 399 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,760 strategy. It's very different. 400 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,840 It's a very different kind of where you have to look at, you 401 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,240 have to look at like and particularly when you have to go 402 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,560 after objectives and and things I think have you played epic? 403 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,480 Mate, I love Epic. I'm so glad it's your favorite 404 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:48,920 game because I absolutely. Really. 405 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,640 Really. Oh, fabulous. 406 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,360 No, no, no. Oh, mate. 407 00:27:52,360 --> 00:27:54,240 Well, you know, everything that I'm talking. 408 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,520 Which edition? So I I entered through second 409 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,080 edition. Now I think you're talking about 410 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,640 the 1st edition like the Horace Heresy set. 411 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,000 Was that right? No, I'm no, I'm talking about 412 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,840 the 2nd edition, the blue box, the 2nd edition with the the 413 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,960 Space Marines, the Elder and the Orcs and the Titan. 414 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,960 The one that's the one. What? 415 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:14,040 What a box. Yeah. 416 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,640 I know, yeah. What? 417 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:21,080 What A box set. Is that stunning? 418 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,240 I mean, you want to immediately start adding stuff to it and you 419 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,400 can, you know, But it's like, oh, that just, I mean. 420 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,280 Yeah, have a have a drink, mate. You're right. 421 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:36,040 Grab a grab a quick drink. And The thing is, is that as you 422 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,840 know it's again, you know it's it's it's not just about 423 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,800 battering the crap out of your enemy. 424 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,280 That's right. I mean it is a bit about that 425 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,120 but it's like you know but it's like but it's about going after 426 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,760 these objectives which which would be what would be the real 427 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:56,400 driver for any real battle. And and like getting into things 428 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,560 like you know using your using your command sections to nip in 429 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,600 and and nick those objectives at the end of at the at the end of 430 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:09,240 the game and and making sure you you you take down all the Titans 431 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,640 as soon as you can and and the Wave Serpents because Chris 432 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,680 played Eldar and those damn Wave serpents and finally though I I 433 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,120 really went oh God that was so annoying. 434 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,560 It's like, you know, it's still like my my artillery batteries, 435 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,680 you know, the were were good because I didn't, you know, I 436 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,680 didn't play Orcs in Epic. I. 437 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,920 Didn't play orcs at Orcs actually came much later for me. 438 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,200 I was. I was an Imperial Guardsman. 439 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,840 Right, there you go. I was Imperial Guards. 440 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,560 So it was it was all about like artillery batteries and those 441 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,040 massive companies of of Imperial Guardsman. 442 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,440 Yeah, I'm going to. OK yeah. 30 guys on the 443 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,560 objective. Take that away from me. 444 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,200 Go on. I dare you. 445 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,600 Try it. Try it. 446 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,080 Yeah. Yeah. 447 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,640 Just just try it. So, you know and all this kind 448 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,640 of stuff and that's how. So now my so I was always trying 449 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,600 to get those damn wave serpents. You know first first point of, 450 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,760 you know, first of birth is where the wave serpents, right. 451 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,800 Every artillery battery drop everything you have on those 452 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,440 wave serpents, you know, because you can't shoot them, because of 453 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,720 course, if you remember, they can't shoot them at the front. 454 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:27,520 You had to drop an artillery battery barrage on the back of 455 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:32,720 the miniature. She could actually hit it crazy. 456 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:39,160 But I was grateful. And we had endless hours, 457 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,640 because you could, because these games were enormous, were 458 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,040 enormous. We had endless hours playing 459 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:49,640 with the Titans and and and all sorts of things. 460 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,760 I always found the Chris always commented that I always seem to 461 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,960 get on better with the war hounds. 462 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,520 When it came to time. The War Hounds seem to really 463 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:06,960 suit me because it was so it was so mobile and because for every 464 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,040 you know you could get so many of them and always seem to do 465 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,720 very well with with with those. Whereas the the the Warlords are 466 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,520 great but they're just kind of one thing all in one place. 467 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,080 Whereas the war hounds could be quiet, could be really good fun. 468 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:27,360 But I loved it, absolutely. And to this day we'll get more 469 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,800 on to that and to this later and to this day it's still the the 470 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:37,480 one thing that really pushes all my buttons when it comes to to 471 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:43,360 collecting and and and wargaming really, it's absolutely amazing. 472 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,080 So it wasn't long before after that we then started to get we. 473 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,840 We then got hold of a copy of Warhammer 40,000 and realised 474 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,000 that because we were getting wiped off by this stage, 475 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:58,760 realising that you could actually play battles of with 476 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:04,040 the tabletop battles in the same way that you could with Epic, 477 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:11,640 you could play Warhammer 40,000, play a tabletop experience with 478 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,040 the model, all the models that we had had collected for space 479 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,040 bulk. So we kind of. 480 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,160 So we started to experiment with that and that was like that was 481 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:28,160 the original, the original kind of addition of that and they'd 482 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:34,240 just, they just brought out like Warhammer the big bot original 483 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:40,240 Warhammer big box game where you, you know you got you 484 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,360 actually bought bought armies. This would have been that 485 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:48,520 probably just after Space Marine second edition I think they 486 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,680 brought out Warhammer and as a as a box game and they were 487 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,480 talking about doing Warhammer 40,000 the same way. 488 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,000 So it was like, Oh well, that sounds sort of sounds very good. 489 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,840 Now it was around that time when I was made redundant from UCCF 490 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:11,640 and I hadn't really enjoyed the time at UCCF very much, so it 491 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,560 was only a part time job anyway. And so I was looking forward to 492 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,280 like, yeah, I was. So I'd be made redundant just 493 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,800 like, oh crap, out of the job again. 494 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:28,840 And my girlfriend at the time picked me up because she worked 495 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,320 in Leicester as a nurse. She'd picked me up and I was 496 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,840 kind of saying, oh, you know, I've just found out And I had 497 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,760 been White Dwarf magazine in my hand and there was an advert in 498 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:43,840 there for for a what they called a production assistant working 499 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:49,120 on White Dwarf magazine. And I kind of went and it said, 500 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,120 you know, must have a minimum of a year's experience. 501 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,120 And I'm thinking to yourself, you've got years of it because I 502 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,680 was 28 by this time. You know, I've been out of art 503 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,840 college since I was like 20 maybe. 504 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,040 So you're something like that. So I had years of experience. 505 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:16,719 I was thinking, if I don't go after this job, I'll be out of 506 00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:22,120 my mind. I'll be absolutely out of my 507 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:29,159 mind if I don't go for this. So I sent an application letter 508 00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:30,880 and I got an interview and I went in. 509 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:39,800 It was I was interviewed by Robin Jews and Chris Colston and 510 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:48,760 and they interviewed me. Well actually was was it for it 511 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,199 was it wasn't actually for White Dwarf magazine. 512 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:56,320 It was for a production assistant, worked in the coming 513 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,880 back. Now you know the in the deeps of 514 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,520 the memory, it was actually for someone to work in the studio, 515 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:07,000 just in the studio one like boxes and and books and army 516 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,240 books and all that kind of stuff. 517 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,640 But Robin was there because he was looking for people for for 518 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:19,120 White Dwarf as well. So they sort of gave me the 519 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,720 interview, looked through my work and they said well, and 520 00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:26,800 they said the thing that is that was said to me when I went for, 521 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:33,200 for, by for my interview at Ladybird, which is is, is that 522 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:38,200 you've got all the skills that we need. 523 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,560 The one thing that didn't say that we did that, they didn't 524 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,880 say it. Ladybird was this said, but 525 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:51,200 you're a bit old. The other thing is you're a bit 526 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:58,560 old because we are used to taking people out of straight 527 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,720 out of art college who've maybe been in the industry for a year 528 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,600 and not paying them very much. Right. 529 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:10,080 OK. Listen, I'm very open about. 530 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,600 It yeah well I'm not even I'm not even surely quite said it 531 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,680 like that but I I certainly sat there and I thought what you're 532 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,840 saying is is you you you don't you you get people from ARC and 533 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,360 you pay them a pittance and actually after a while they 534 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,440 actually start. They actually kind of said well 535 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:30,680 we often see working at Games Workshop and certainly back in 536 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:35,760 199394 time that it was very much a case of someone would 537 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,640 come in and work. You work at Games Workshop for a 538 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,640 few years get an apprenticeship get some experience and then 539 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,920 move on right. And that that was kind of how 540 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,800 they saw it, which, which was an child. 541 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,520 They kind of justified not paying you a lot of money. 542 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,040 You're working for it, you know, you're working for an exciting 543 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,840 company. You know, we're all the 544 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,840 miniatures and all this, yeah, based all the stuff which didn't 545 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,840 actually matter a job to me, you know, big, big as, as I say, 546 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,840 being 28, being a bit older. If you are enjoying this podcast 547 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,360 and the content on the Crown of Command Games YouTube channel, 548 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,240 then please consider supporting me on Patreon. 549 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,320 Becoming a Storm Boy allows you access to behind the scene news 550 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,080 information of upcoming podcast guests and themes, video battle 551 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,240 reports and occasionally exclusive podcasts with special 552 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:30,080 guests or fellow patrons. And coming soon are painting 553 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:34,240 videos which we made to give you the skills and tips on painting 554 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:37,080 in the red period using modern paints and practical 555 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,320 applications. And you can also access one to 556 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,000 one painting lessons in the Heavy LED Master class tier for 557 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,200 a 40 minute personalized painting lesson. 558 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:52,480 So check out patreon.com/the Crown of Command Podcast. 559 00:37:53,920 --> 00:38:00,960 These days, I'm still. I've still collect. 560 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,120 I still collect miniatures. While the pandemic was 561 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:10,640 happening, I collected a ton of epic miniatures. 562 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,920 Oh cool. Absolute tonne. 563 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,080 We see when I when I'd originally been collecting, I'd 564 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:26,640 collected really Space Space Marines initially, and Chris had 565 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,960 Elder didn't touch the oaks, funnily enough. 566 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,720 And then we did and we had the Imperial Guard and that was 567 00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:38,440 probably about it. Those were the main factions 568 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,480 that we. Whereas now I'm kind of going 569 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,720 actually you know what I would collect everything all the all 570 00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:48,960 the plastic troops that I can get my hands on And so I just 571 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,840 and so I ended up I ended up getting ended up getting a ton 572 00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:58,000 of stuff and I've now painted it all and based it all. 573 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:03,160 Brilliant mate. About 12,000 miniatures. 574 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,080 Wow. I mean, I'm OK. 575 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,680 And bear in mind that a lot of them are Space Marines, so 576 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,840 they're like a single colour. Use contrast paints. 577 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,840 Contrast paints are the best. Yeah, yeah. 578 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,400 Absolutely love love contrast paints so a lot, a lot of the 579 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,680 time it's a single colour contrast paint colour over 580 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,600 white. They look amazing and then you 581 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:34,480 base them up nicely and they just look fabulous. 582 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,200 I mean the metal stuff costs an absolute fortune, but the 583 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,320 plastics, well, it's not so much now. 584 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,080 But when I was collecting it, I picked up a load of stuff 585 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,920 actually quite reasonable prices. 586 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,760 But I mean if you go on eBay now, it's there's nowhere near 587 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:55,280 as much stuff as there was for sale for stuff like that. 588 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,600 But I know. Probably because I bought it 589 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:03,240 all, you know, you know, but. But I know it's been great 590 00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:07,200 because actually put actually put together proper, fully 591 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,000 painted armies and my philosophy, my philosophy for 592 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,120 how they were painted was very much one of I want this stuff to 593 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,240 look like proper, like like want these models to look like these, 594 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:24,760 these look like proper armies. None of this red tanks nonsense. 595 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:30,800 I mean I've got photographs because before years back I I I 596 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:35,080 put together a couple. I put together a big ultra means 597 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,360 a big Blood Angels army and and great. 598 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,800 But it's like I looked I looked at them and I thought in the I 599 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:49,800 thought this looks weird to me Why why would they be go why we 600 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,400 got red tanks. Why we've got blue tanks. 601 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,760 So now everything. Yeah, I think the main colour I 602 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:01,400 used for almost everything was Agaros Dunes, So it's that kind 603 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:06,040 of khaki colour which looks like looks like proper military 604 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,840 colour. Tanks look amazing in those in 605 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,960 that in those colours. The Land Raiders and so did the 606 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,680 Space Marines. They're absolutely stunning in 607 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,480 this because and of course I can use the same colours to paint 608 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,960 the the Eltar and I paint the helmets blue. 609 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,120 So there I am done. Yeah. 610 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,000 So they look terrific. The orcs are kept in black 611 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,160 because. And what I did with the orcs 612 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,640 was, is that everything's in black every they're all black, 613 00:41:35,720 --> 00:41:38,440 all of them. All the clans are black, but the 614 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,320 shoulder pads are in the colours. 615 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:46,760 So you know, red, you know, red for Evil Sons and you know, blue 616 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:52,280 for the the their skulls and all that kind, that, that, that kind 617 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,480 of thing. They look great. 618 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,800 Oh, that's good mate. So I loved, I loved doing that. 619 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,080 And then I did all I did. Ton of chaos stuff. 620 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:02,440 I love chaos, mate. I love chaos. 621 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,520 Awesome, really beautiful models. 622 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:07,880 Like just, you know, really nice. 623 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,160 And there's a lot of proxy stuff now that that that that 624 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:17,920 Onslaught and Vanguard natures do, which are really nice metal 625 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,120 models. I won't touch Resin. 626 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,160 I've. I do. 627 00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:23,440 I've never gotten on with resin. Me too. 628 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:28,640 You're not a fan. Metal or plastic or that's it. 629 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,680 I can't. I won't work with anything else 630 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,400 because you can't strip it. You can't If you. 631 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,560 If I buy models, a lot of the time it's got paint on. 632 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,480 I'll use tech. I'll use Dettol to strip all the 633 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,640 paint off before I repaint it. I mean, Jules is you've been 634 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:47,280 stripping again, haven't you? You've been stripping all I can 635 00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,480 smells Dettol in here, you know? So sorry, he said. 636 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,080 Well, there's worse things I could smell. 637 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,400 So it's it's it's, you know, and I'm just paint. 638 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:02,040 I'm just, I'm just loving it. It was like, you know, it's been 639 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,400 a great project. Something that I've really love 640 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:10,440 to love to put together. It's I sold my Ork Army or I've 641 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,520 over the years, I think I've collected about four or five 642 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,160 different Orko Orkarmies and they've all gone. 643 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,120 And my latest and my last one, because I never played with it. 644 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:31,280 So the one sad, the one sad thing about about doing all the 645 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,640 battle reports and things like that that I did when I was like 646 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:41,520 in White Dwarf that it made me quite quite cagey about who I 647 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:46,640 played against because I used to have to play games against 648 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,600 people I had no, no gaming relationship with. 649 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,440 I've always seen, I've always seen this will be. 650 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:56,800 I think this will be interesting for people to hear, people to 651 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,360 hear and talk about. But I've always believed that 652 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:05,040 that you you know if you if you game with people and you're in a 653 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,040 club or it will just just makes the come round and game once a 654 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,800 week. You don't know how good you've 655 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:16,920 got it. That's gold because you're 656 00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:21,600 playing people on on a playing people on a regular basis. 657 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,840 You you learn the rules together, you figure out the 658 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,920 rules together. You play your version of the 659 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,160 rules actually is what you really do and you have a great 660 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,760 time. But when I was in White Dwarf 661 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,520 and I was doing these battle reports, you know you you'd have 662 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:42,480 been gaming against people who, no idea, you know, never played 663 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,000 many of the time. Probably wouldn't want to play 664 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:47,720 with them any other time. Right. 665 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,960 Yeah, yeah. And yeah, just well, that that 666 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,720 nice people really, in some ways, all right. 667 00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,000 But I mean, a lot of them were, a lot of them great, but but a 668 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,200 lot of them weren't. Right. 669 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,760 Did you ever get to play against Andy Chambers at all in an epic 670 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,680 game? Oh well well. 671 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,240 An epic game. Yeah, in I. 672 00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,560 Never got a chance to play. I played against Gav Thorpe a 673 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,200 lot. We did. 674 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:20,080 We did a lot and and I Gav was great. 675 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,240 Loved playing at shout out Gav you're wonderful. 676 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,400 I loved gaming against Gav. He was great when he wasn't. 677 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:35,080 When he first joined, you know he did a lot interesting on the 678 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:43,200 subject of Andy Chambers. We a lot of admiration for Andy. 679 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,040 So I think, I think present tense. 680 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:52,320 I think Andy's a great guy and I love keeping track of what he's 681 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,560 been doing, listening to podcasts and things like that 682 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,520 about about what he's been up to and stuff. 683 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,800 Nothing but admiration. Great guy, worked, worked really 684 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,240 hard in the industry and has done some great stuff. 685 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,640 Good on, good on you, mate. Good on you. 686 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,960 I had an opportunity to do this is this is this is the the best 687 00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,160 this is the most fun battle report I did. 688 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,280 Absolutely. I'll tell you about this one. 689 00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:29,520 This was really really fun. He, I and Alex Boyd did a did a 690 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:33,560 battle report where it was a three-way between the three of 691 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,840 us and we were like playing when we were like playing against 692 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,840 playing against each other, three war bosses battling it 693 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,600 out. So he was the best one. 694 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:51,960 It was terrific, great fun and I want it on a dice roll. 695 00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:57,120 Even better, mate. But it could have gone, it could 696 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,200 have gone the other way. And that's the thing with it, 697 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,280 you know, absolute respect to the other guys at the end of the 698 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,320 day that could that, you know, I went it on a dice roll. 699 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,600 It didn't have to go that way. And they were, they were great 700 00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:15,000 and they were great players and I loved playing them and admired 701 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,360 them and thought, you know, and The funny thing that happened 702 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,840 is, is after that, that was a battle report that ended up in 703 00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:26,560 in White Dwarf. After we did that three of the 704 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:34,040 other guys who Imperial guys in the studio said how about you 3. 705 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:41,800 Fight us you you know you you as war bosses on one side of the 706 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,320 board and us as as Imperial commands on the other. 707 00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:49,000 Why don't we play a massive game And you know they thought, yeah, 708 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,160 yeah that sounds great. Now there's a there's a there's 709 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,360 an orcs, the thing that Orcs talk about, this thing that Orcs 710 00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,840 talk about which is that that that humans are are funny 711 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:05,920 because they're always fighting amongst themselves and always 712 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,000 squabbling and fighting amongst themselves and saying I know 713 00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,080 something you don't say you need to listen to me all this kind of 714 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,200 thing and and what they say is that and while the the humans 715 00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,520 are arguing amongst themselves the orcs come up and beat them 716 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,200 up. The beautiful little, it's a 717 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:26,880 beautiful little kind of quoty kind of story thing that's 718 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,680 that's it that I don't know if it turns up in the army books 719 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:34,320 now but I always think it's a a brilliant description because 720 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,240 what I see I've always I've talked about this in in in 721 00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:40,000 interviews and what a while back now. 722 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,920 But my viewpoint on Orcs is is quite different from how other 723 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,520 people view orcs. I see orcs as an absolute robust 724 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:54,240 society that will absolutely win. 725 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,440 They are going to win. Well, I mean actually Chaos will 726 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,240 will win war that you know the the Warhammer unit, the 727 00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:09,080 Warhammer 40,000 universe will fall to Chaos eventually is too 728 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,720 powerful. So that's it's the long defeat. 729 00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,440 And I very much, I very much see Yorks as being being being part 730 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:23,240 of that and I see them as being an absolute robust society with 731 00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,640 with a technology and a grasp of technology. 732 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:34,680 There's the the humans talk about Ork technologies. 733 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:37,440 They have these guns. We can't get it to fire, but if 734 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,560 if an Ork picks up, you can get it to fire. 735 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:43,280 There must be something magical about that they talk a little 736 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:48,200 bit about. And actually the reason Ork's 737 00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:52,920 gun fires is because mechanically, it works. 738 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:59,080 Your stuff, the human stuff, everything that's based off 739 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:04,520 STTSTCS and and all this stuff, you know, they're like, they're 740 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:09,080 like they're into prey over the weapons before they can fire 741 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:14,520 them. There's human stuff's magic in 742 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,120 their minds. It only works because they 743 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,040 they're the ones that the weapons work because they 744 00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,720 believe the work. But they say it's the Orks and 745 00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:26,280 it's not. Naturally, no, The Orks, if if 746 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:31,280 you look like a the truck model, that truck model, it's called 747 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:38,360 blasted suspension that models a proper truck that thing could 748 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:43,400 drive. And this is saying you look at 749 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,680 Mega Armour, there's there's Pistons. 750 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:50,680 You look at the you look at anything that the Orcs make you 751 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,400 look at and you go, it's got an engine and a pulley bit and the 752 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,440 thing and and and you do this is the works we can an engineering 753 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:06,560 mind created this totally legitimate, absolutely powerful 754 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,760 society. The only thing that lets them 755 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,160 down is they end up fighting each other all the time. 756 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,000 Yeah, that's it. Because they're trying to figure 757 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,960 out who's the and that's probably the. 758 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,080 They reckon it's. It's the only reason why they 759 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:19,840 haven't taken anything. It's about, right? 760 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,640 Yeah, because they're so busy fighting amongst themselves. 761 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,000 But they're but, but I always see, they always see the orcs as 762 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:32,560 being a a just such a legitimately powerful thing. 763 00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,680 I I, you know, a lot of people. There was a time when the orcs 764 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,440 were a bit of a joke and I think that no, you're not jokes maybe. 765 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,160 No, just pretty much. You'll you'll know all about it 766 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,920 if you play them in epic. How bad they are? 767 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,720 Oh, go well. So I never have. 768 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:46,840 I never have. I want to. 769 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,600 I want to do it and I look reading the rules about and how 770 00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:54,960 they work and how you can add cards to the the to actually 771 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,240 make those formations bigger and more powerful. 772 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:05,200 The idea that you can add if you have a clan of orcs and if you 773 00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:12,600 add bikes a bike adds plus three to their to their to their break 774 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:13,560 point. Break point? 775 00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,120 Yeah, that's right. That's insane. 776 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,600 Yeah. That and that makes you insanely 777 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,160 powerful whereas that you if you have boys they might add a 778 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,000 couple of points and this they had them bikes and they had 779 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,760 three. It's like for the for the same 780 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,960 price. So you're going to you're going 781 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,160 to add you're going to add bikes and you're going to add bikes 782 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,760 and tractor cannons and because they that's what they do. 783 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,880 Oh gosh. Anyway, so getting back to the 784 00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,200 getting back to the story. So this whole idea was, is that 785 00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:47,080 we were so Alex, Andy and I were going to were going to face up 786 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,440 against these Imperial commanders. 787 00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:52,440 This, this will be fun. So if you looked at the York 788 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,280 side, if you looked at the York side of the board, it was like 789 00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,040 it would, it would, it was literally like, you know, Andy 790 00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,920 had come up to him. Yeah. 791 00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,520 I'm thinking of going around, going around the side here. 792 00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,240 Is that all right for you? That worked for you? 793 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,680 You're just going to go out there say, yeah, it'll be fine, 794 00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,560 mate, You do that, aren't you? So we were, we were in total 795 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,400 cooperation with each other, you know, All right, we know what 796 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,840 we're going to do. Imperial side couldn't stop 797 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:25,760 fighting amongst themselves. Couldn't believe it. 798 00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:28,720 They were like, you know, I want to do this. 799 00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:30,400 No, you don't want to do that. He said no. 800 00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:37,440 And in the meantime, we're getting closer and closer and 801 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:42,520 closer and closer to them. So you can imagine where that 802 00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:44,040 went. Yeah. 803 00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,400 It's like, yeah, yeah. It's orcs in close combat. 804 00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,400 Oh, dear. Your army's dead. 805 00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:50,040 Yes, you were. You were laughing. 806 00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:53,320 You're laughing. You're shooting holes in us as 807 00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,520 we dash across the table towards you. 808 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,760 Yes. That's that's another ten gone. 809 00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,400 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know. Oh, they're still around. 810 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:01,880 Yeah. Oh, they're getting closer and 811 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,240 they're getting close. Oh, dear. 812 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:04,960 I know. They're in close combat. 813 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,600 Yeah. Oh, your army's dead. 814 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:09,920 Or at least that. At least that's how it you. 815 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:12,160 And that's how it used used to work when I thought. 816 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,640 Yeah, yeah, nice, mate. Was it? 817 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,760 Now the Imperial side was that made-up of like White Dwarf team 818 00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,600 members or can you remember? Well, they were just, they were 819 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,000 just guys who were. And we never got. 820 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,240 He never got put in a magazine or anything like that. 821 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,920 It was just, which is a pity, Which is a pity because I 822 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,160 thought he was hilarious. Yeah. 823 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,120 And it was. And it was great because it 824 00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,920 meant, you know, I was playing with with, you know, playing 825 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,600 with Alex and playing with with Andy and we were having a great 826 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,280 time and mutual respect for each other. 827 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,360 And it was, and it was all cool. Whereas these Imperial guys were 828 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:50,240 just like, couldn't believe it. I was just like, oh, what are 829 00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:52,520 you doing? You should be. 830 00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,760 You should be concentrating on blowing holes in this in the in 831 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,240 the Yorks are heading to us. Because if you don't, you're 832 00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:00,840 going to be in big. Trouble. 833 00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,080 We're getting close. Come back with you. 834 00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:08,080 It's not going to be pretty. Of course he wasn't. 835 00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:13,320 Oh gosh. It's absolutely absolutely 836 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,440 mental. It really really really was. 837 00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:19,880 But that was but it was that was that was nice. 838 00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,120 That was. I'd say that that was my my 839 00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,400 favorite little little things that happened when I when I when 840 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:28,480 I was when I was gaming in the studio and there's A and it was 841 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,160 and that was with Andy. Andy's great. 842 00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,560 Really, really, really great poke. 843 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:37,080 Is there anything you want to? Well, I was going to ask. 844 00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:39,600 You ask me. Yes, I was going to ask you a 845 00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,840 couple of questions, mate. About what? 846 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:46,320 What's what's the sort of the, what was the first miniature you 847 00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:50,040 bought for? Was it, was it actual Space 848 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,000 Hulk? Were there the first miniatures 849 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,200 you came in contact with with Games Workshop, or was it 850 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,560 something else? Oh, I mean, was it hear request? 851 00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:01,080 Or was it? Well, when I was when I'd 852 00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:08,600 originally got the Dungeons and Dragons game, I bought Citadel 853 00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:14,840 Miniatures because Games Workshop was based in, as the 854 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:20,960 Games Workshop like store was originally based in in. 855 00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,720 It was Newark I think. Yeah. 856 00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:28,240 In fact it was Newark I think and that was my grandma lived in 857 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,640 in Newark. So I went once went over there 858 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,320 with with with and said well could could we drop in. 859 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,800 So I went I went there and I and I and I got I bought some 860 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:45,720 miniatures off the off the off the rails in in the the games 861 00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:48,520 Workshop Citadel miniatures. I bought some off the rails I 862 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,680 think it was some rail path ones as well and I bought some of 863 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,880 those those inner games workshop. 864 00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:59,040 I can't remember how old it was. It was maybe 14 or 15 bought 865 00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:00,720 those. I think I've still got. 866 00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:06,680 I think I've still got one looking around that's great, 867 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:11,360 excellent. It's a it was a a a floor trap 868 00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,880 one of these creatures. It's like you know a big big 869 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:19,880 mouth that you walk into and you get eaten and it's for D&D and 870 00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,320 stuff like that. So that was those. 871 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:27,040 So it did those. And then later on when I when I 872 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:33,040 was doing, doing the kind of the the Warhammer quest stuff, I had 873 00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:39,960 Bescaven miniature and that and that was and that was my proper 874 00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:46,960 it was my like proper modern Citadel miniature that you 875 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,320 either I'm sure you can get him on eBay somewhere. 876 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:54,080 I said very specific because he had horns on his head and he was 877 00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:56,560 holding a Flint like a warplot pistol. 878 00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:01,800 So he was obviously a I think he was some kind of a a priest or 879 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,840 something like like that or something. 880 00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:04,960 Was he pointing? He was he. 881 00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:06,680 Was he? Was he? 882 00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:09,200 Point is like outstretch fingerprint. 883 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,680 I think so, I think. So I've got this guy right here. 884 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:12,840 I've got that guy right? Oh. 885 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,960 Really. Oh, fantastic. 886 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:17,120 He was. He was great. 887 00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:20,240 He kind of summed my character up really, really perfectly. 888 00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:24,960 As I'm told, we got it. But then after that, it was very 889 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,320 much, it was very much space, It was very much space. 890 00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,960 Hulk lead and it was a lot of Terminators, Got a lot of the 891 00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:34,040 metal. Terminators. 892 00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:41,120 Wonderful, because we were so like in love with Games Workshop 893 00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,560 stuff. We were like we just got, you 894 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,240 know we were going had Space marines in power armour going 895 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:51,840 down the the whole we had orcs in there, we had absolute 896 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,080 squigs, absolutely anything. We love the miniatures and we 897 00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,320 just got everything really did. Just ton of it. 898 00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,720 Don't have any of it left. Yeah, that's. 899 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:01,080 A. Shame. 900 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:05,360 Looking back, you kind of go, oh how, how can I let that stuff 901 00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,840 disappear out my life? Yeah, but you're not not you're 902 00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,440 not alone there, actually. Don't think, Adrian, because I 903 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:11,720 think most of us did the same, mate. 904 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,240 But now you talked about collecting a lot of the epic 905 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:18,000 space ring over over and that kind of thing. 906 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:19,760 Are you actually actively playing that with your friends 907 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,560 at all now? No, I haven't. 908 00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,000 I haven't gained for a long game for a long time. 909 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,840 I've been so busy, caught up trying to make the working with 910 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:30,480 on the business and stuff. I haven't. 911 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,400 Yeah, it would be really, it would be really nice. 912 00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:39,840 I mean, actually this might sound a little bit ridiculous, 913 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:46,840 but actually talking about what I've been talking about today 914 00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,640 has made it's been quite cathartic. 915 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,760 It's been quite nice to to actually talk about the time at 916 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,400 Games Workshop and some of the stuff. 917 00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:02,640 And bear in mind that this is like tip of the iceberg of of of 918 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,960 stuff but the but. And what I was saying about the 919 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,160 one thing about doing all the Bath reports is it made me very 920 01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,680 cagey about who I I played against. 921 01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:17,000 So I would, I would, I usually. What I would usually end up 922 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:21,200 happening is I would, I would usually find like a couple of 923 01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:26,640 people who I would play regularly, who I would trust to 924 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,960 play regularly again, who had who. 925 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:33,640 I had the right attitude. I saw the right attitude to to 926 01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,640 gaming, which was this, this isn't about winning. 927 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:41,480 This is about like playing a game, hanging out with your 928 01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:47,480 mates and having a great time. And you know, so because like I 929 01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,400 said, I think like if if you're if you have a club where you can 930 01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,960 do that. If you have like any group of 931 01:00:54,960 --> 01:01:00,440 friends where you can actually get together and and do so, you 932 01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:05,760 know it's, you know, don't take it for granted. 933 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:11,080 I don't want to sound like patronizing an old father but 934 01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:16,920 don't. It really is a wonderful thing, 935 01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:21,920 a great thing to have in your in your life to have to have that 936 01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,920 kind of thing. You know, to have mates or you 937 01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:27,320 know, they'll come in with their latest, the latest model and you 938 01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:31,560 try your best to destroy it on the first term or with and all 939 01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:35,840 that kind of stuff. You know, I mean you know and I 940 01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,920 mean all joking all joking aside, it's like I think and 941 01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,720 part of me kind of now kind of thinks myself I really ought 942 01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,400 because there's stuff going on in Leicester I could probably go 943 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,960 and get involved in. And in a way, I feel like I've 944 01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:56,400 probably got enough distance from it all to kind of be able 945 01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:03,920 to go, well, you know, maybe get out there and you know, once a 946 01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,480 month or something like that, go out and do some, do some gaming 947 01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,120 again, think about doing it again. 948 01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,600 But certainly the Epic stuff, I mean, I mean that might be quite 949 01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,840 tough. But you know, fortunately, I 950 01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:19,040 mean I've even got, I've even got plans to come up with a, a 951 01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,960 solo rule set for Epic. So I could actually play, you 952 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:26,800 know, just even just play against myself, you know, if if 953 01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:28,920 I can't find it, if I can't find anybody. 954 01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,400 But I mean, the only thing is if I was going to go out and if I 955 01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:39,520 was going to go out and play again, I'd have to 28 mil scale. 956 01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,280 I'd have to create some models to do it because I haven't gone 957 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:43,960 there. Yeah. 958 01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:51,120 Yeah, because they're all gone. I have thought about if I was 959 01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:54,480 going to go, if I was going to collect an army. 960 01:02:54,480 --> 01:03:05,000 Now I would probably collect a corn army all right on demon 961 01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:13,840 army because you can use that army in or in any scenario. 962 01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:17,480 You can use it in 40K, you can use it in Warhammer. 963 01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,640 You can use it in any of the other games that that that you 964 01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:22,440 do. I mean, you could even drop them 965 01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:24,920 in a You could even drop them in movement trays. 966 01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,280 I'm sure no one's going to going to quibble over the fact they're 967 01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,640 on round bases in the movement trail. 968 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,840 They could have a go. I don't think they get very far 969 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,400 with. Not against the war. 970 01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:42,720 Get stuff, Get a grip. A grip. 971 01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,320 You're talking to the Grand War. That's exactly right. 972 01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:46,800 It's fine. They're in Booth. 973 01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,480 It's in. It's fine. 974 01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:54,360 Yeah, it's fine. It really is fine. 975 01:03:55,160 --> 01:04:00,320 And so and certainly there's there's one of those army, those 976 01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,160 army collections you can get and there is you, you spend about 977 01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:08,280 £100 and you get all this, these blood letters and crushes and 978 01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:12,080 all this stuff and it's incredible value. 979 01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,560 I mean you, you're buying the stuff you buy. 980 01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,520 You, you. Basically it's it's worth twice 981 01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,800 what you pay for it. I mean the only set of the 982 01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,400 thing, the thing with games, workshops is just so expensive. 983 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,360 I know that's right. Exactly, exactly. 984 01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,920 It's the and it's always been, it's always been the same. 985 01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,760 I mean when I work for you know you could get stuff you got 986 01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:37,200 stuff half price if you work for the company which is which is 987 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,480 brilliant. I haven't got that now. 988 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:44,480 So you know, if I do something like that it's that's a that's a 989 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,360 real commitment to Chuck down you know like £100 to get one of 990 01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,760 these boxes, but on the other hand it might be worthwhile 991 01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,320 doing it. I'll see, yeah, I hope so for 992 01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:55,520 you. But look, Aiden, look, it's been 993 01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,320 a massive interview today and it's been wonderful to talk to 994 01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,000 you and well, listen to you in your story and everything. 995 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,160 I really appreciate that. All the time you've given us 996 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,320 today, it's been immense, mate. It's been massive and I think we 997 01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,520 can keep talking on and on, especially about Epic I. 998 01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:10,880 Think we could. We could we have to come back 999 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,560 again at some point together and and sort of meet up at what a 1000 01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,880 time and and just talk about our love of epic mate. 1001 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:21,640 We both are massively passionate and we both have great history 1002 01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,600 and playing epic space marine and and we know how good it is 1003 01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,520 and yeah, we like I said we only touch the the tip of the iceberg 1004 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,040 you know, so. I think that's the funny part. 1005 01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,200 I mean, I mean, I knew that people wanted to. 1006 01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:37,520 I mean, I didn't know what people wanted at all. 1007 01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,200 I just. I just thought look, the only 1008 01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,040 thing because I've literally, I've had to go back through my 1009 01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,200 mind. Yeah and like and be selective 1010 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,640 because I didn't. I thought I want to be fairly. 1011 01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:51,960 I want to be fairly positive because actually working at 1012 01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:56,440 Games Workshop has has a massive impact on me and a massive 1013 01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:00,760 impact on my life And and The thing is is I don't want I don't 1014 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,240 want to just sit there and moan about all the bad bits. 1015 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,120 I wish they were bad because there's a bad bits when you work 1016 01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,480 for any company. They're just is that's right. 1017 01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:10,640 You know. But what I want you to talk 1018 01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:13,400 about was I want you to talk about the you know and I'm 1019 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,880 really talk and I haven't talked that much about those It's I 1020 01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:22,640 have to say thank you very much. I really when you initially 1021 01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,680 asked me to do this I really did bulk at it because I thought was 1022 01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:30,320 so I really think to myself does anyone is anyone going to be 1023 01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:34,200 interested in in in this and I hope they are. 1024 01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:38,640 I hope, I hope people will, will, will, will will get 1025 01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:40,440 something out of it. But it's been good for me in a 1026 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,480 lot of ways because you know, I mean I've not been you know, 1027 01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:47,400 I've been out of Games Workshop for five or six years now and it 1028 01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,720 and you work for a company for that long. 1029 01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:58,040 It's like you know you've been in prison for that long. 1030 01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:05,040 You know you know you you become institutionalized and actually 1031 01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:08,840 you come out of something like that and being able to to then 1032 01:07:08,840 --> 01:07:13,440 kind of make some sense of it and and kind of look how it 1033 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:17,600 really, how stuff really applies to your life and what you've 1034 01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,440 gained from it and the skills you know, the skills that you've 1035 01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:24,560 gained going kind of moving forward. 1036 01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:27,640 I mean it's it's great to have all that and be able to take all 1037 01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:31,280 those skills and now apply in a different way and then different 1038 01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:36,200 in the music career as you know it's been you know I can't, I 1039 01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:41,760 can't I can't deny the impact the Games Workshop has had on on 1040 01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:44,000 on my life. It's been it's been absolutely, 1041 01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:49,480 absolutely amazing let alone the impact of, I mean the company 1042 01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:53,920 itself, let alone the impact of the IP and the games and all 1043 01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:58,200 that all that kind of stuff. So I mean when you initially 1044 01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:01,560 didn't want to do it, but I'm really glad I did. 1045 01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,000 Oh. Good, mate, that's excellent. 1046 01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:05,000 Like I said, it's a bit cathartic for you talking about 1047 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,640 and bringing up well. I think it was because I think, 1048 01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:10,320 I think it has been, I think, yeah quite it's been quite 1049 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,720 important for me to to do so. Thank you very much for the 1050 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,399 time. But anytime. 1051 01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,680 So yeah, like I said we can, we can definitely talk at length 1052 01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:22,920 about Epic Space Marine. I think we should do that at 1053 01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:28,399 some stage, or even have have you on for one of our live shows 1054 01:08:28,399 --> 01:08:31,760 on my channel, on my YouTube channel, so people can interact 1055 01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,760 with you and the audience can, you know, ask you questions and 1056 01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:36,439 that kind of thing. I think that'd be really fun 1057 01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:37,840 too, if you're up for that at some stage. 1058 01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:39,319 I think it would be. I think it would be. 1059 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:42,359 I think it would be. Yeah, and that's that's a that's 1060 01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:44,000 a 2 hour blockbuster, mate. Or war. 1061 01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:45,680 So you've got you've got plenty of time. 1062 01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:47,880 To. To talk. 1063 01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:52,520 Oh God, you should have rained. We should have done something. 1064 01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,960 You should shut up your fool. Don't talk about that. 1065 01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,359 No, don't talk. You'll destroy your own 1066 01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:00,640 solutions. It's like there's. 1067 01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,520 Probably, There's probably things that I can think about. 1068 01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,080 Oh, that's right. I should ask Adrian about that. 1069 01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:06,960 And so it's nice that you can come back. 1070 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,000 And I always like getting people back on the show because there's 1071 01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:12,760 a lot of, there's a lot of a lot of questions are asked, you 1072 01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:14,399 know? Well The thing is, is that 1073 01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:17,680 you've, I mean The thing is you haven't, you haven't asked me 1074 01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:23,399 any question and I was kind of expecting some but it's like in 1075 01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,560 the end I've just kind of talked you just talked career really. 1076 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,000 But if you want to ask me and The thing is is I'm happy to, 1077 01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:34,720 I'm actually happy to talk. I mean I love to talk about like 1078 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:40,120 converting and paying those those, those subjects to me 1079 01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:43,640 absolutely legitimate. You know it's like and for 1080 01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:48,760 people who do, who do the stuff that we that we do within the 1081 01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,439 hobby of Games Workshop to actually be able to talk about 1082 01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:57,560 about those aspects because they're because they are 1083 01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:01,360 important and people want to know the best ways to paint 1084 01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:06,760 stuff and how to how to convert and all this kind of stuff. 1085 01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,520 And I'll and I'll love that kind of thing, the gaming and 1086 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,440 collecting an army and all that kind of stuff. 1087 01:10:12,440 --> 01:10:14,720 So, yeah, great. Well, how about this is a 1088 01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,120 concept I'm going to put. I'm going to post up a poll on 1089 01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,280 my YouTube channel and through my patrons or whatever. 1090 01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:24,520 And so you, you choose the the your most favorite Adrian Wood 1091 01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:27,640 article in the White Dwarf magazine and they'll have a 1092 01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,000 vote. I'll take those and I'll show 1093 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:32,560 them to you in advance. We'll put them on the live show 1094 01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:36,360 and then you can talk about it. You can, you can say anything 1095 01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:37,880 you like. They'll have questions obviously 1096 01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:39,600 about the article or something like that. 1097 01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:41,840 But you can talk about your conversions or the battle that 1098 01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:45,840 you fought or you know, the the thought process behind this 1099 01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,280 scenario or this article you wrote or something like that. 1100 01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,360 It'd be really nice for people to engage with you after all 1101 01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:55,760 these years that you've been out of Games Workshop. 1102 01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:58,320 But just to talk about that, I think it'd be really nice for 1103 01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,480 you and for the the listeners as well. 1104 01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:02,440 So we'll definitely have to come back and do that at some point 1105 01:11:02,440 --> 01:11:05,200 in the near future, mate. I well, if if that. 1106 01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:08,360 If if they are interested, I'm happy to talk. 1107 01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:09,800 Awesome. OK, mate. 1108 01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,640 Well, thank you so much again. I don't want to take up any more 1109 01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:13,440 of your time with your wonderful morning. 1110 01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:17,800 It's been an absolute, absolute pleasure. 1111 01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,440 I've had a great time. I've been very honoured, Sir. 1112 01:11:20,440 --> 01:11:23,280 Thank you so much for your time mate, honestly, and for your. 1113 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,800 Thank you very much. I'll see you soon. 1114 01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:27,160 Absolutely, mate. Take care. 1115 01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:28,480 OK? And all the best. 1116 01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:30,240 Well, the music, music industry business. 1117 01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:31,760 Thanks. Very much. 1118 01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:33,440 All right. All right. 1119 01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:34,640 See you later. See you mate. 1120 01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:35,640 Bye, bye. Thank you.