Okay, we can eat some clattering the background.
That's because I've got dr. The Viking or the doctor Viking
dr. The biking doctor the Viking or
the doctor biking but I don't know.
We don't know he doesn't know. I don't know I give enough.
It's a man from Denmark that I met through Facebook with his
remarkable battle reports with him and Johannes playing I think
it's mainly its I think it's Undead and dwarves as animate.
It's a it is I have to say it's a you want us you'll assist your
necessary on this sort of regular a poem that are you
forgiving. I mean you do you haven't played
them. So I'm gonna get everybody's
name wrong. Don't worry about his name
country wrong. It could be a Hallmark.
Yeah, you know, I'm sort of I've I'm in my fourth drink at the
moment. So basically anything goes now,
it's kind of like you could be anybody right now man.
Yeah, that's good. Yeah, you are the man who is
anonymous online and we don't know your true name and that's
the way you like to keep it and that's pretty cool.
Yeah, I admire that so but yeah, I mean we got in contact through
Facebook as I said, you know your stuff through the Cowabunga
blog is pretty amazing and thank you and then then we sort of got
talking about it and I and I thought I wanted to give you
guys a bit more exposure because what you're doing is pretty
incredible and with all your PDF battle reports and it'll be
real. It like real white dwarf
articles that kind of thing and I love people really impressed
by it. Yeah, so I thought I'll get you
on the podcast to talk about it and whatever you whatever else
you wanted to talk about me. Yeah, for sure man, and thank
you very much for inviting me to talk about what my hobby
business here. Yeah.
I'm a it's been quite funny.
It's great for my me making these bad reports.
It's obviously driven by by nothing but What you call that
just Alger? Yeah, Nostalgia.
And sorry. I just have to kill something
that people in the background. Yeah, so I mean it takes a lot
of time to make these things, but I think it's worthwhile
because I really am To look back into and have these things and
it also the style I guess is I'm trying to 84 the style of though
white wolf battle report. So I'm of course flattered that
you would recognize that and acknowledge.
Yes. Yeah.
Absolutely. Yeah, the truth of the matter is
of course that on I'm hopeless at these layout things.
I don't know the first thing about it and makes it basically
just using a program by Microsoft.
Which is extremely primitive but it gets the job done this it's
not much. There's not much more to it.
Even a even when I have to make these you know that he's like
small Snippets of text that go around the images.
I have to cut the text into small frames and then place it
all like the old days when you you do newspapers or something.
All right. Yeah, because I don't I don't
have an actual layout program. So if I had that I'm sure I
could just type in the text and it would automatically give way
to the images and everything, but I don't know how to do that.
So, I'm basically I'm just cutting everything up adding it
into a PowerPoint document. Yeah.
Well, we've got it we've got a pretty big team.
Now people in the hero have a fanzine now that you're a part
of now too because we thought we'll take you into the fold and
you know, you've got great experience and doing stuff in
I'm Mark there with your regular gaming group and and all the PDF
battle reports you're doing so we wanted to include that in the
fanzine. So you've got a great resource
of people now that you can sort of turn to say, you know, hey,
how can I do this better or save time on doing it?
And I'm sure and he'll and the other guys can give you some
tips on it man. Yeah.
I've been the I've been talking with them already actually.
Not on the in the official Channel, but just on the side
just to figure out if there's something I could do but so far
everything is good I think and I'll just manage the so that's
good cool - great. Yeah, and so the home page that
you mentioned which is called Cowabunga as I don't know why
it's called that I guess. I just really like the Ninja
Turtles from from ladies. So everything kind of goes
together in a big mess. Report to in my mind 40K fantasy
Ninja Turtles. It's all in there.
I've recently started this page as a I had a block originally,
you know, just a standard Blogspot blog which goes back to
2003. So I've been running quite a
long time, but I just figured I have to do something because I
thought the regular blog format was a little boring and things
got lost and it didn't look very good and you think so so really
I made this Pace in order to Everything but I found that the
just as many things that that are good and that I like about
this new platform just many things are lost like a search
function for instance in order for people to look at old stuff
that I made that's completely impossible now, but oh, well,
that's how it goes. Am I going to take take what you
get as far as a with technology and if it's free, you know
white, how can you complain you know what I mean?
Well, it's well, yeah, that's the caveat is not really free.
I'm actually paying for this are you paying for it?
Okay, right. Yeah, gotcha.
Yeah. Well, I just wanted to try it.
So yeah. Yeah, so yeah, and yeah, so this
campaign that we're playing the it's we're basing it on 4th
edition fantasy, of course more or less, I guess because we're
not really using the fourth edition fantasy. magic system we
actually using the fifth edition because I quickly found that it
was it was just I mean they made the right move going away from
offensive magic in your opponent's turn and all that so
I guess you don't do you use actually completely 4th edition
when you play or do you use some kind of mixture of what use we
use? Well, well we're going to touch
on will have a Renaissance in later in the chat anyway,
because we sort of talk that off off off air and you know, I've
been used to 5th edition magic since I got back into it like
which is last couple of years basically and it was just a
refreshing change going back to warmer and a sense because they
play it like the fourth edition magic rules where you can play
in your opponent's turn as well. You can play Magic and your
parents turn as well. I think there are sort of rules
there like sort of there are suggested rules in the fifth
edition book as well that you can do it that way like in the
fourth edition style and they've got a few other different modes.
You can try as well for the magic system.
Which I want I want to try out actually, but yeah, normally we
play with the fifth edition style so that you know as the
way you're doing it there. Yeah, okay, but I'm actually I'm
actually quite happy with either way.
I think it's quite cool because you know, the way I think about
is that you know, you pay a lot of money you pay a lot of points
for magic users. Yeah, and then you know,
sometimes it is completely ineffectual like some games they
do absolutely nothing. And yes, because rules for
instance. Yeah, well exactly against
wolves or you play whatever it might be something at that has a
lot of counter magic or they might just get lucky with a lot
of dispels. Whatever it might be you might
sink 350 points into a magic user and they do really nothing
much and plus all the magical items and all that kind of
stuff. So yeah having the fourth
edition system and I think the Spells are pretty soft to
depending what race you choose anyway, but I think like Empire
Magics fairly soft. - cave-ins pretty brutal cows is pretty
brutal. But I mean everything else is
fairly it. I don't think it really did.
It doesn't I don't know it for me.
It didn't really didn't really kill games.
It didn't kill game didn't it didn't end on Turn 2 or anything
like that in our experience anyway, but I do like the fifth
edition wearing what they kind of balance it a bit and I said,
okay. Well, you've got these boosts
you've got these reinforces that you can do with power car.
Adds, it adds an extra a little level of Play 2, which I really
like as well. Yeah, but I suppose also my view
of things is it's cured by the fact that I'm always playing
against wolves. Yeah.
I know you don't you don't share
great affection for dwarves sadly?
No, I don't think it's actually one of the week armies to be
honest. I mean and really iconic as
well. So it's week and iconic.
That's really good. Yeah.
Yeah, I think it's you know, I'm a I'm a lover.
I'm a huge lover of dwarves and are okay.
Sometimes sometimes to play style is a little bit kind of
bit boring, you know, because it's sort of you're sort of
sitting back and shooting all the time and then hoping to get
a charge off and if not, then you're going to get charged, you
know. More so than they're not but I
think yeah, it just depends on what you really like.
What kind of play style you like, but then I suppose having
different armies. You can switch it out and I like
playing night goblins as well and and now scab and so I've
actually my intention for this year's actually to paint my
Someone somewhat Motley amassment of oxen copings cool.
Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, that's
what I started collecting back in.
So and I never I never painted any of it because that's not how
we play pregnant. Sure.
Yeah, I don't know what happened.
But we didn't we're quite comfortable just using whatever
we had. I mean, so I played with a mixed
bag of plastic Miniatures Lee goes and everything all in one
big puddle. That's that's how I came to look
back in 94. So in a way even though I'm a
little Sometimes I'm a little sad that I don't have a single
image of anything more photo. I mean from in from before two
thousand and something digital cameras, but but on the other
hand and maybe it's a good thing that I don't have any images or
yes. Yes, just somebody with my might
want to float them in my hair and just giving to show look
what you did. Yeah Yes, actually I mean so we
are We're a bunch of role players that accidentally
stumbled into Miniatures gaming and that's actually that's part
of the reason why why we would allow ourselves to stoop to the
level of unpainted Miniatures and Lee goes and whatever
figures we could find. I mean, yeah crayon if if
nothing else so I've remember playing a game against a Wood
Elf Army where everything on the other side was paper cutouts
where he'd written on them what it was but at the time it made
perfect sense, I mean, We didn't we didn't think much about it.
So yeah, but flash fast forward a few years and then we were
certainly total miniature Schnapps and would never
consider anything like that. So yeah, what was it wasn't is
it a third edition? They had the paper cutout
stand-ins for Miniatures and that kind of thing.
Yeah is quite an old back then wasn't it?
I think so. And also I mean coming directly
out of spent loads of time playing this.
And so and there was this sort of crossover rules between the
world the rope and getting them into his game.
So it kind of makes sense that when you're playing the role
playing game you don't actually need any miniature.
So if you want to have a small scene where your heroes are
charging into a castle or whatever, what do I know then it
kind of makes made sense at the time to just use still paper and
whatever. Yeah, I mean not really caring
about dementia. Today is totally opposite.
Of course now don't play any role playing games, but I'll
play it again. So you all its kind of come full
circle you stay. Yeah, absolutely, man.
Yeah, I've sort of come from the opposite side.
Like I didn't really enjoy role-playing I felt just very
boring. It is also often put me to
sleep. Yeah.
I've actually I've had the question once by guy who didn't
understand at all. I mean, how do you win?
Yeah. I mean, I guess in the role
playing game you win in the same way or since that you do when
you watch your film you like. I mean, that's true.
How do you how do you win? Well, if you enjoy the story
then you win. Yeah.
Yeah, so it's not that complicated.
But I suppose Miniatures were not so common because you're
from Denmark. Is that correct?
Yeah. Yeah.
So I mean Miniatures weren't that sort of commonly sold
locally where they those days. I don't know.
It's a it's in the smaller big cities or whatever you would
say. That wouldn't be any Miniatures
at all. I think I'll be but even in
small. I mean the small City I grew up
in which is around. Five thousand people or
something. You could go to the local toy
store. And then there you can find
these are cool metal Michiko happy products.
I don't remember the actual name anymore, but it had several
names. These were some German
Miniatures in the style of Games Workshop and you could buy
those. I mean, I'd like almost nothing
so so we don't buy those and we didn't know anything about Games
Workshop and took took a few years until we realized that
Those actually shoots scene for miniature game and I think it
correlated more or less with the release of full vision and
second edition 40. That's really when things
started becoming accessible. I think this is words.
Yeah. Yeah.
So those are great and also epic
but I didn't play that at the time but it was quite obvious
that are there was a huge scene in the local city for playing
Epic. And remember also asking this in
the there was a store called Golden Gate and I had a long
chat. I only knew about fantasy and I
wanted to know about all these other games and he said oh if
you're going to pay anything else you have to pay epic.
Yeah. Well I never did but it seems
like it was quite popular at the time.
So but if you want a Miniatures and you couldn't there wasn't
it? The internet wasn't there?
Right? So you'd go into the store and
then you'd look what's on the shelf and that's what you had to
choose from. Which is radically different to
compared to today. I think it's a it's kind of a
beautiful thing. That wasn't it.
Like I remember the same thing like walking to the comic store
in my local mall. And yeah, whatever they had on
the Shelf is what you could get and it's like quite a quite a
lovely thing really when I think about it now.
Well, we I think one of the spin-off effects of that was
that you go into the store and then you'd be looking for that
Goblin. Whatever that you wanted and
then you realize oh it's not there.
So I'll just buy this to off. Yeah, something like that
because I want to paint something and it has to be cool.
Yeah. Yeah, we had way to travel to do
bit of a road trip with the go all the way up to Brisbane in
this like the man that the major city in Queensland to go to the
Daily Planet and the Daily Planet had like this massive
wall full of Citadel Miniatures and boss games and everything.
It was the only place that we had we could find in our state
or in the country. Basically, I think at that time
that had a vast range of Games Workshop.
And it was just like an amazing trip going up there.
We used to go to all the all the time just to even just a look at
the all the all the wonderful boxes and I can still remember
all the epic box sets at me and my friend Chris would buy
because we played epic phonetically back then and yeah
such a great time. Yeah, I suppose I'm imagining
that Australia might be a little like Sweden here in my pants
because in Sweden the the answers are quite different than
in Denmark. So if sure I mean, it's really
nothing to go two hours to have a cup of coffee in the game for
someone that's there will be the norm as compared to them.
I we're traveling one hour in any direction is this looked at
us quite a long time? Yeah.
So I guess your travel four hours to collect game store.
We traveled we traveled far and wide meant to get to anywhere
because well, luckily. I was lucky.
Because we had you know, I have my good mate Chris and you know,
I used to just and I had a car so I could I could just drive
down to his place and his when his wife and child was sleeping
and we would just sit down on his livingroom floor and just
play epic. Yeah, every every weekend was
brilliant. Yeah.
I really really cherish those memories now.
I actually just managed to have a game yesterday against that
dwarf play of course, but this Warfare was actually the same
dwarf player that I played. 25 years ago.
Wow. So yeah, that's that's a that
was quite something. Yeah, that's amazing managed to
convince convince him to get back into it.
So you guys playing plays Renaissance yet?
Yeah, we pay rent rather warmer in those on okay, I mean back in
the day we would also re always three guys playing for some
reason one had the High Elves and I had the goblins and he had
the troughs and then the basic setup.
It's always to have the dwarves in The Middle on the floor and
then the High Elves and the government's approaching from
each side. Yeah, I guess I guess it was
some kind of democracy. Yeah, I mean you two against one
in voting. Yeah, absolutely for all dwarves
gonna get slammed on the either side.
Yeah, but it kind of makes sense because they could move anyway,
so mr. Yeah starting them off as a tack
at one end wouldn't really mean that we'll just make it a game
of to right. Yeah.
Yeah the most an economy in the entire tie game, but the other
there's something there's something about the models and
everything. I think it does attract people
even in our, you know called the crown can challenge painting
challenge. There's so many dwarf dwarf
entries. I think there's just something
about the character to them. Maybe it's just think there are
chronic. I mean, I don't know funny
already. Yeah.
Absolutely. There's simply a bit just sum up
sum up the whole war hammer. I mean if you take this lens and
Yeah, whatever and I mean a bit like the government phonetics,
right? They also feels kind of iconic
to the to the game and she'll yeah.
Yeah, so it just it holds something special in people's
memories. Maybe I don't know but I think I
think dwarves are just a lovable character though, aren't they?
I mean, you know, you just you just look at the dwarf anything.
Yeah, I can relate to that old guy.
You know, he's he loves beer. He's a grumpy old bastard like
me. He's stubborn doesn't prove
anything. You know, he's just loyal loyal
as you know Loyals anything so, you know, I can sort of relate
to dwarves. I think maybe that's what it is.
I don't know. I just I just I just I just may
be looking at a third edition book and it's looking at dwarves
besieging this. Think I just fell in love with
him. I just couldn't believe it.
I thought that was so cool. I think it's I mean it's not so
worrying that you can relate to them now actually worrying that
you could relate to them back then probably I couldn't relate
to them back. Then.
I have to still do this adorable.
I think that I think they'll just so cute.
And yeah, I don't know. I don't know it just made a
connection. I think most people find
something that they connect with in in some kind of art form and
I think miniatures. You know people just just find
some kind of aesthetic but they think that sort of just matches
them their personality or whatever it is.
I don't know. Maybe there's a psychology
behind it. I don't know.
Yep. I think I've collected actually
every Army but dwarfs. So what does that say about you?
Don't you don't like dogs though?
That's their yeah, Tommy don't lie.
Cause no I never had any incentive to actually like them.
I like them in she's very much. I'm always trying it's the same
with my 40K and my all my other games actually a me.
I'm always trying to fit that specific.
That nobody else has already taken.
I mean so yeah, if all the other guys have playing dwarfs or
Imperial Guard, I'm not going to go with that.
I'm going to go with something that works against it because
then we'll have more fun and more games.
Yeah, we will have out to the likes and dislikes mean here
Dark Elves leave me cold. I mean I look at dark it was all
ones. Even the old ones at The
Marauder. I think there was some pictures
of a Marauder Dark Elf Army that I do like the Miniatures for
some guy in America. It was some guy called Ken or
calves or somebody in America pain that these really beautiful
looking which shelf units they look fantastic.
But yeah as an army, it just doesn't really do anything for
me at all. I think I must admit that a
while the fourth edition Doug else they leave me pretty Old I
think the oldest of the 80s stuff that really that does
something. Yeah, I suppose it just depends
on the aesthetic on what people like and what this like.
Yeah, lizard-men. Definitely leave me cold.
I mean, you know, I'd rather just just just grab a whole
bunch of them and just Chuck them into a fireplace person and
watch them burn, but that's that's darker together and on a
joking either I was going to say I'm joking, but I'm not joking.
I'd rather not yet. No.
No, I didn't just did it. I didn't do it.
No, I just yeah, I just didn't didn't didn't they don't appeal
to me at all. So but we all have our loves and
loves and dislikes or hates or whatever.
But yeah, but it also shows the I mean the not the foresight but
at least the capability of skins which have to understand their
crowd. I mean they've been reaching
into every corner because everybody yeah be able to find
something that they like. Yeah, that's true.
That's an achievement. Yeah.
So, I mean I think it for any gaming you look at any game this
there's there's always going to be some aspect of it that you
don't particularly warm to yeah. Yeah, but I can find plenty of
games where I don't like anything.
Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I can do the same.
Yeah. Yeah, I think they've they've
been clever there. But you know, I just enjoy like
that the fourth edition armies. I really like more than the
fifth edition armies. Strangely enough.
Yeah. Yeah.
I'm sitting pending my fifth edition clears.
Yeah. You guys was Nothin too bad.
I don't like the yeah. I think it's it says something
about Nostalgia or something about just a terror, but I think
the the designs or the sculpts or whatever it was it just it
warms my heart more than a lot of the fifth edition stuff.
Yeah, but I mean, I totally agree.
I mean I think To me at least skaven are the best example I
mean every version after. One just leaves me totally cold.
I think they I mean they had something going and then if they
lost it with the skaven, I don't know what happened.
But actually I had I had quite the reprisal of my fences you
gaming around 2000 and something when 60s and came out and
unfortunately, most of my Miniatures purchased the
purchase around this time, which means a lot of them are not
really that in But I'll put then again I have so many Souls I can
always find something to paint but I think there was some kind
of switch. I think the most horrible
example to me at least is the night Goblins the plastic Nike
opens. You know what I'm talking about?
Yep. I know the ones you might yeah,
I think that's a this has to be high on the list of the worst of
that era. Yeah, I think I think Brian
Nelson is a brilliant sculptor brilliant designer.
But for some reason they just gave him the they gave him all
the Orcs to do in the other goblins, which I think weren't
his strength. I mean, I think his other stuff
he did for Lord of the Rings were brilliant.
Oh, yeah, I'm not. Yeah, I think but I just gotta
know anything. Yeah, but I to I didn't yeah.
Yeah, I think it's because it's the multi-part part of it is
what killed those men shows because it looked didn't look
what they call that natural the joints and the places they were
joined and everything. It just looked wonky.
Yeah. So yeah.
Yeah, but then some people going to love them.
So it's just it's a catastrophe. That's what you like out there
somewhere. That's that's one kind of these
corpses. Yeah.
That's your he probably started
with those. So, so tell me my what did you
guys think of one of a Renaissance?
I thought it was quite brilliant.
I have to say I mean, I mean that we played the so the whole
going back into playing these old games is something that's
been happening for me since 2010.
I mean I started with second edition 40K back then and then
we play that on and also the years but then We started
looking back into fantasy as well.
And then we've actually played 4th edition as I mentioned out
of the box and it quite quickly. Quite a few things that they
don't really explain them self when you read the rule book and
as much as I'm trying to say that I don't care about rules.
Of course, I do care about having a playable game think I
think fourth edition as it's written in the rulebook is of
course. It's a playable game, but it
needs a lot of help to get you going because there's so many
things that you just don't But I look just doesn't work or just
isn't really clear. even if you have the best intentions of
having a good game, so what I really like about what I'm a
Renaissance is that I think it seems to have clear out all the
things I didn't like like the whole the whole front rank dying
and you not being able to strike back getting your unit charged
in a way so that some of them can't strike a regimental troop
of the other side and all these small kinds of quartz is I
earned those out Which I really think is super cool.
And then it's very clearly written and most importantly
also gives you totally the same feel as though old game.
So yeah, so I think it's a win-win for me at least control.
There's somebody out there who would who wanted to be the I
mean the physicality of picking up the book and turning the
pages in The Old book of course is not there.
So and you cannot get it there either because this is not the
whole book. It's just something you print
from the Nets and for some people I know this is a
deal-breaker. But yeah, not for my understand.
I think I think what we'll do with art on a boulder, but I
think we might have to ask the boys here from the hero him a
fanzine to give that a bit of a makeover that oh, yeah a layout
would be I mean a layout but it'd be brilliant.
Yeah, I'm totally got the hospital because if I see a
black and white rule book, I'm like, no.
Thanks. See you later.
Yeah, that's the first first thing first reaction.
You'll get from me isolating up. If I don't see color if I don't
see sort of some kind of Original layout on something.
I'm just not interested at all. But I stuck with it and I read
through it and I played it and yeah, we me and Justin really
enjoy it. So yeah, this is just a the show
that keeps on giving we slightly curse was this is the second
time we've done this now in the first time, you know, you know,
it was kind of a third time's a charm.
Yeah. It was like it was like it was
you reporting from You know somewhere in the in the Tomb can
Kings Province somewhere. It's like, you know, you're in
the middle of Sandstorm and muffled sounds and that kind of
thing coming through but now we're having sort of dropping
out. Yeah, so you're stuck in the in
the warp somewhere. I guess it might have been
because I mean Technologies something happened technology is
always going to be an issue. Maybe that's it.
We never going to get it perfect.
So what did I say? What did we talk about?
Second edition 40K. Oh, wasn't it?
Was that long time? Okay.
So what are you hoping someone's going to pick it up and run with
some kind of know what it was some kind of like a revised
Edition. I think I think I don't know if
you listen to my podcast with it was with that one.
Yeah D bad one. Yeah, I think yeah, it's one of
three shows that I actually heard so but yeah Ken Fury,
that's that's the boy's name. Yeah.
He's a really good guy and he's really doing something really
cool with his, you know, his his version of it.
It was more like an army selection suggestion.
I think it was more of a tournament.
The base thing. Yeah, it's more sort of centered
towards that but yeah, at least at least they're trying
something. I mean I suppose there's some
dining out some of the issues that came up in tournaments or
whatever and games or whatever. So yeah, one of the things I
hear the most when you talk about sea condition people
complaining is the close combat system.
I don't know if you have any experience with the class or
something. I love it.
I love the classic. Yeah.
It's basic just be the same as Nick Rimando if anybody don't
know seeing this input. Nose Commander.
It's the same. So I guess I can see how it can
come it can become a bit long-winded if you have a lot of
close combat going on. But yeah, I kind of like to but
I think the game should be sort of based on small small forces.
Anyway, like you know, yeah, I was in 1500 points it works.
Well, yeah, it's quite easy to see how this was a game that was
complimentary to Epic ride. I mean, yeah, it is 14K today
seems to be taking both them. Yep.
So, yeah, I really like the
second and I like really like love the second edition
hand-to-hand combat system. So yeah, there's many good
things about it. I really liked did I in fact
mention that I have a painting challenge for second edition.
We may have touched on before but I don't know maybe maybe I
don't know. I don't know.
There's been a few kusaka is drunk between then and else
please what I saw. Few interruptions few screaming
children, and that kind of thing.
Yeah. Yeah.
So anyway, I mean, I mean like a I guess the listeners of this
podcast will be familiar with the Call of the crown.
That's the word. That's a name, right?
Yep, painting chance a very ambitious one.
I might add because it's running a whole year and it's 2,000
points of Warhammer fantasy models, which is a lot in my
humble opinion, but the painting challenge that I'm running is
different in that it's only I mean, it's say condition 40K of
course, but it's also only a thousand points which is in some
cases ten models or something like that if you wanted to be
and I'm running it more or less like Led Zeppelin record it so
it's loose but tight so and this means that of course you're
supposed to bring second edition models and paint them as you
please, but of course, you're welcome to paint them like In
second edition, but it's not a it's not mandatory.
And also if it pleases yourself, it's alright to bring models
from other years or ages versions or whatever or even
main manufacturers. Is that your thing, but I guess
if all you want to do is paint primaries Marines and do them in
the modern style then perhaps it's not for you.
But anyway, I'm about to launch the second season of this
painting. Inch Hmm.
This will be the deadline for submission is 25th of February
and I think compared to the core of the crown.
This is somewhat more like, you know, those by white dwarf
articles called tale of some Ian Taylor for gamers.
Yeah. Yeah for six or seven or
whatever so so in a way the first season was a bit like a
tale of 30 in gamers are how many we are in that I mean every
month we report in and write a small snippet about what you
painted and I mean a lot of the guys have been really exemplary
in doing this and I made yeah made some really cool entries
and written about them and telling how this was.
Why they wanted to paint this and how it fits into their
second edition. I mean all this which makes it
really interesting for me at least to read also, I mean, so
the problem of course is that I cannot cannot do this kind of
thing with the a hundred participants.
So it's fairly Limited in that sense because I'd rather have a
smaller crowd but What more personal ah, no more detailed in
trees like that. So I guess in that sense.
It's not like the call of the crown, but you don't do
anything. I mean you just you have a
future amount of the participants, right and then you
yeah and it all together something.
So yeah, yeah basic. Basically, we just say, you know
either paint mm Point Army in a year or thousand point.
I'll be in six months and I think it's about 200 points a
month. Basically the average.
Yeah, and then we sort of collate all the pictures and we
put it into a video and put on YouTube and that way it was a
celebrated for his work and hard hard efforts and then we've had
a few casualties along the way and maybe one of them I've had
to drop out because it's just I don't know.
I've just got a yeah, I've just got too many things on it my
way. I just I just had other
priorities in life. So I've just had to drop out
soundly, but I've enjoyed enjoyed in so far nearly made it
to the end actually, but I just can't I've already I've already
skipped one month and this month.
This is no way I'm going to get the dwarves.
I need to paint a talk to 200 points so yeah, basically called
it early. Yeah.
Yeah, but in the end it's a it's not a not supposed to be a
second job. Right?
It's it's not supposed to be a second job.
Yeah, but supposed to be good. It's supposed to be good fun.
Yeah, but I'm still paying other stuff paying escaping now
because I'm doing sort of a campaign with Justin.
They are think I also used my also joint my own Challenge and
I also used my we have one Mulligan as you call it.
Yep, so let the other one. Other than that, I'm going to
finish on time. I think that's good man.
Yeah, you can do it. Yeah, that's great.
Yeah. Yeah.
But I've been very clear that it's not I mean I expected.
Quite a high attrition rate like 50% at least or something.
Yeah, but actually it wasn't the case and I don't know if it's
because it's is a I mean second edition is not that many models
simply. Yeah, that's true.
I mean, yeah, that's Randy. Of course if you want it if you
only paint Graz as or something then I guess it's it could be a
lot of models but But basically a marine squats of tin is 300
points or something. So yeah, you quickly get through
it. Yeah, but it's been really
awesome to do this. It's of course to me.
It was like a corner or Corona project doing a painting
challenge like this because there's not that much you can do
and there was no interaction with other Gamers or anything.
So I thought why not do this and then then I start set out to do
it and so it's been really interesting to also because
unexpectedly I think 1/4 of the participants or something like
that. They're from Australia.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you think that but so I've
had to learn all kinds of stuff about bushfires and an
Australian everything. I mean, yeah, really interesting
to hear from people all over the world.
I mean really, it's good to know.
It's been really I love it. Yeah same with us like, you know
doing this podcast everything. It's just been Wonderful in that
we've sort of make contact with I've made contact other people
have through various groups with people all around the world and
it's been awesome. So yeah for that.
I think Ron has been a great success.
Yeah. I took I really don't think it
would have happened. Otherwise, yeah, no.
Well. Yeah, but just to round off the
second division 40K challenge. I mean anybody wishing to or
interested in joining up. Can they go have a look?
the homepage this is the the show notes as well.
Yep. That was forming the showing
that's for sure. And then again, we have we still
have some seats left for the second season.
So cool actually. Well, there's only going to be
around 20 seat. So it's going to go fast.
All right. Okay.
Yep. Comment I would have done if I
did have any other commitments but I think it might have to do
it the following year. I think maybe 2022 hmm possibly.
Yeah just being was having I don't know.
I can't say I can't I can't commit to anything but I've got
an orc Army. I've got a space or Farm it
needs painting. Oh, yeah, so it's not like I've
got a lack of figures running up that I need to do stuff for
them. So I want to get those doors
Dumbledore students. Well, I do want to start with
your says that that was a thing. I thought I would.
The easy option with the space walls, but I thought now I love
you all so much. I just I just have to paint
them. They're so cool.
Yeah, definitely be the first ones I do.
But it's funny. I mean when I started this, I
mean it's a realized that there's quite a few people who
actually into the second edition for the rules.
Just I mean, they don't necessarily like the figures
they just like the rules yet. She is to me.
I would never have thought about that was possible.
That's all that but but there's so many different takes on this
hobby. So that's awesome.
Yeah. It's basically like what Nathan
said in the war games? Awkward as well, you know, and
I've been sort of thinking about this a lot since I got back into
fifth edition. Why the hell did we stop playing
all these games? Why don't we stop playing the
games that we loved playing? You know what I mean?
Like, yeah. Yeah the Alternatives maybe not
not as good being the end result.
I think in many cases well for me, I mean everything has come
come full circle, I think because now I'm painting old
Miniatures and playing the old We'll send everything I mean and
I've been through the whole spectrum of Miniatures games.
I think I like to think so, I'll play the newest not been used at
the time. It was then used Games Workshop
games and I've played all kinds of small obscure games and I
guess some reason I've ended up doing old Games Workshop again,
I guess to say that it isn't Nostalgia, I would I don't wanna
I don't want to run it like a museum.
I mean, so yeah, that's why I really appreciate something like
this one for instance because it makes it feel a little I've even
if it's old stuff. Yeah, that's a good point
because I think the Renaissance thing is good enough in the fact
that it is modern. It is is its evolving and it's a
living rulebook. So nothing set in stone.
So basically if there is some kind of glaring issue Or
something comes up, then it's open to be talked about and
possibly change. So I think that's that's the
biggest positive thing about that.
Yeah, and also a living community is also released yet.
That's really good too. Yeah.
So, yes, hopefully I will have more opportunities to play
Renaissance with my dwarf Army in 2021 with Mel mate Justin.
Yeah, and but we're still enjoying 5th edition.
We're going to a fifth of June campaign starting this month
later this month and was going to it's going to feature and
maybe the second issue of the hero Hammer magazine.
Oh, okay. So the first battle anyway,
we're doing our own sort of campaign for that.
Yeah, so based on The black plague that's happened in the
history of the Empire, maybe 11:15 or something living 14th,
11:15 or something like that. So it's decidedly nautical it is
it's very very plaguy with or My Plague priests and playing Ox
for skaven. So we're doing skaven vers
Empire and that's what basically what we're going to do. and and
I want other guys involved in this as well is basically create
campaign packs that people that we can we can put together we
can put we can do all the layout for them and that kind of stuff
all the rules and that kind of thing and basically have it like
a printer like a printable resource that people can
download and print out and play with their friends for all the
armies that weren't covered in the fifth edition campaign sets
because a lot of armies were covered like skaven, for example
Chaos weren't covered. What's another one lizard man?
You're bloody hate listening. But yeah, we're going to have
work. Obviously.
Someone's going to make one for Lisbon.
Let's say some point what else was not covering there.
Cows I do looks Dark Elves. No, I don't think we have that.
Oh wasn't that campaign with the high heels and the diagonals.
It was a teaser Bishop wasn't it?
Yeah, they did. Yeah.
They were featured in that one. There would be other ones that
weren't featured. I'm sure vampire counts weren't
And I'm sure there's one glaringly staying in the eyes,
but I can't remember what it was now.
But yeah, it may be chaos the chaos and scalable a huge
factions in the Warhammer world. I mean, yeah, they won't even
represented in the campaign's that's probably because it just
ran at a time and they just were going to push it to a new
edition and that is drop the whole thing altogether.
Yeah, but yeah, that'd be lovely to see those featured at some
point. Absolutely in fan-based campaign
sets. I think it'd be awesome actually
a I mean for not for Fantasy, but for 40K I brought a like for
game campaign. Oh, yeah and are you know with
the these sort of deployment maps and everything cool.
So yeah, but I never really got around to finish it and so maybe
the Skillets and so far but we actually played it through nice.
Okay good stuff. Okay.
Share it with us in the here having fans a night.
And yeah, I think it will go into the fencing at some point.
Yeah. But there's so many things to
do. Yeah.
I know. I know it's strange it.
I'm sort of more busy. And now in the pandemic than I
ever have been. Is there something wrong with
that. There's something not right
about that is there yeah, it's a little peculiar.
Yeah, that's bizarre. Just bizarre.
But anyhow. Yeah, so you're playing a game
tomorrow is that right? That is correct.
Having a another game of one of Renaissance tomorrow cool.
It's against my regular opponent Jonas and his pesky dwarves
Imperial blah blah blah dwarfs. Okay, and I suppose he's going
to be just to see that they have a movement for yes 3, yes.
Awesome. We actually we had a situation
in last time we played where his throat layers were in just
within the normal charge range, but as being towards mates them
just outside the normal chart range.
So I mean that was a very good point in case of what's what
this means. I think it's really really
difficult to get that charge in with a unit of Truth layers.
I've in my opinion. It's almost impossible.
Yeah, it's just going to happen now.
Okay, that's great. I'm glad that Janice has
embraced Renaissance and he's willing to try.
Yeah, that's what happens. I mean, yeah, so what I might
say might burn it afterwards he might burn it afterwards you
might think this is absolute rubbish and I'm never playing
this. Yeah.
It's basically just going to give it a try I guess.
Yeah. Yeah.
We did the same and yeah, I'm gonna keep trying again.
It's not going to destroy your love of the Old games it's
basically just it's just an alternative especially for
people who have played maybe the later editions never played
Renaissance and then we will never sorry never played the
hero Hammer versions of understood what you meant and
it's sort of bridging that Gap. So it's basically it's got
familiar keywords in there. It's got familiar units in the
Army books. You know, what we don't want too
many people embracing this because that leaves less models
for me to buy. That's true.
Yeah. Yeah, well, I think I think
through the pandemic. I think a lot of people been
spending their their well-earned Pennies on lots of old models.
I think that the other prices don't seem to be girl down yet.
No, they haven't actually know and I I've purposely and for a
long time now not being going on to the trade groups or
especially eBay. I don't even bother with eBay
Don but I just don't go anymore. Yeah, imagine if four hero have
I became a super mega popular in India or China or something?
Yeah, it does suck stuff and don't go there don't go in the
water. Yeah.
So I'm just putting together Buckman's Banner of just I'm
redoing all the banners to the paper banners like the
old-school style way instead of the plastic ones and it's all
your saw your tutorials on doing banners for all that metal or
something. Oh, yeah, just yeah.
I didn't know that was even possible.
It's like a really difficult way of doing it.
I actually went the icon in the end.
I just went the totally opposite way.
I just use the the ones they supplied with the ships and
they're bringing and I just actually painted over that over
the top of the paper. So I just banish the paper and
then painted over it and so a highlighted areas that are
needed highlighting or made it more vibrant giving an extra
coat of paint here and there so and that worked out fine.
So just saved a lot of time in the end of story.
It did look at the a little labor-intensive and I thought I
have no idea is no I'm this is ever going to get done and I was
have no time to do this. So I just thought I grow up I'm
going to use the ones they've supplied with the ships and
their beautiful as is so with a bit of extra little never played
Tennessee make you missing out on something really great.
Honestly. It's been revolutionary since
I've got it and I bless me old mate Bruce here in Japan who
sold it to me and he saw me a whole heap of Ships he gave he
kindly gave them to me basically just gave him to me.
So I was so lucky with that. Yeah, he just gave me a whole
stack of stuff and I've just picked up a few extra bits and
pieces to complete some of the fleet's and I played a few
games. I've got a got a game with
Nathan coming up because he's never played it.
So I'm going to play it remotely.
We should play remotely then we should play directly because
actually I've only ever played remotely.
Other funny what about it? Yeah.
I'm so I'm so tough that in the beginning.
I didn't understand what playing remotely meant.
So it wasn't until one of my best friends explain to me that
the he had all the figures and then I would be telling him
where to move them. And then it suddenly dawned on
me. Oh, you can do that.
Oh now I get it. Yeah for the now I totally get
it. I mean, it's it's the only way
to do anything like this at this distance.
Other than that Hiro Hamada of that would be awesome to make at
some point. Tell me about will be awesome.
Yeah, and it will happen for sure.
I'm sure but I basically imagine everybody going to Germany
either going to Germany or going to Poland or going to the UI
Bolin for the the bring out your lead event.
We should be something spectacular if that actually
happens, but I'm sure it will happen one day.
It's just yeah, it's just a matter of time now.
And but anyhow, yeah remote play it does work.
I'm going to write an article about it in the here have a
fanzine because I think people either don't know what the hell
were talking about when we talk about Remote Play.
I think it all started with me and John Joe doing a game of
Renaissance actually as it happens because we couldn't meet
up. So we said well, let's try it
was I'll get the I'll get the tablet and I'll get the phone
camera. And that's how we've all
started. That's how it all started
basically and it's sort of a snowball from there and we just
kept going with it with other people and and it's worked out
fine actually. So yeah, it's definitely doable
and I just we just found some other podcast other sorry
YouTube channels where guys from the two fat ladies are doing it
with their games a lot of those games also.
Yeah, they're wonderful, but they're wonderful guys Rich
Clark and all that. They're excellent.
And and they've been talking about it to in recently on
YouTube and talking about how they've been doing it and and
telling people, you know, this is how to do it.
It's not very complicated. You don't need to be a tech whiz
or anything like that and it's really easy setup.
You've seen a smartphone and basically you're away in an
internet connection. Obviously Chagas.
Yeah, and it's charge it to ya. I'm always have to charge
everything when I'm doing my my head is running out of sauce.
In the middle of it. It's happened.
It's happened to me like like a live stream was dropped out like
just towards the very end because I've just forgotten to
turn on the power on the on the on the phone charger and this is
dropped and just died. So yeah that's bound to happen,
but it's been fun man. It's been brilliant because
otherwise I would never have to opportunity maybe to play a lot
of people. Nothing brilliant.
Yeah, I mean based on yourself in Japan kind of does that.
Yep, it's all the screws you that way if you want to play as
people across the ocean there. Yeah.
It's not going to happen anytime soon.
And the prospect of players is even smaller.
I guess. I have no excuse because
apparently I'm living in the Warhammer country you are you
are man. I don't know any of these guys
may be one bit from Denmark assist me.
Absolutely, amazing and Sweden to yeah, I lived in Sweden for a
few years on the didn't meet anybody there either really so
okay. Well, but I guess I'm just not
that I mean if I was there to work so I worked and well didn't
leave a lot of time to investigate the local scene on
the things of true. Yeah.
Well, you probably also have
that's for sure. Yeah.
I mean, I'm hoping to at least figure out what this the whole
Renaissance Community is. I can if they're actually doing
a not on the Corona but normally if they're doing like a some
kind of inter tournament or whatever.
I mean, I don't actually like tournaments but it's a nice way
of meeting people anyway, so I think I think their taunts in
would be really pretty good because it's all bunch of, you
know guys our age and I think they're all sort of not super
uber competitive and it's all sort of quite all friendly and
having a few beers and just having a laugh kind of thing.
It's not it's not all vampire lots and some be dragons.
I don't think so. I don't think it's that kind of
we're not we're not talking about the 90s being resurrected
in that sense. So, They did actually have one
at the beginning of 2020. Yeah, finally not just missed
it. Yeah.
Yeah exactly. You just missed out on that one,
but they did have one in their local games room will gate not
games room games club or something like that.
They've got like a little house. They rent out or something and
it will be brilliant. You know, I was dead Keen to go.
But of course it was never never could have happened financially
and because of flight restrictions and all that kind
of thing, but Yeah, yeah, we're good.
We've been good. So one day I might one day
you'll get there. I'm sure yeah, just a matter of
time now. I mean, I think Denmark is a bit
like hobbiton or something. So yeah, everybody's extremely
skeptical of everybody else. Yeah, but like I said, yeah
because you guys had you guys had some kind of old Hammer
event there as well. Didn't you?
You scared me a link or something about it.
Oh, yeah, we try to have like asked.
The Navy and old hamady, but I think it never amounted to that
much. But it I guess it has potential
in the long run to make something like this.
But so far, it's been like 10 15 people meeting up soon do yeah.
But also I guess it's also a question of how elaborate your
advertising is. So yeah, it's true.
Yeah, it's actually more work than you think because when
everybody's in their own little Echo chamber B it while a
Renaissance or second edition or whatever you have to go to all
these different places and make make sure everybody understands
what it is that you're trying to get them to do.
Yes first with the problem with so many editions.
It's going to be very fractured. So you're going to have people
in our own little camps and people play 6th edition aren't
going to play the hero home additions and vice versa Bisbee.
Yeah and people who are really DieHard 8th Edition players.
Well, they're not the are people going to find that not they're
not going to have that many people wanting to play that
addition and yeah, no, I mean point from key.
So actually, I mean not that long ago at the asked if anybody
in the vicinity of a Living it was interested in meeting up,
but then I realized that I mean, so I wanted to meet up and I
wanted to have a fun narrative game.
I want to play with perfectly open images perfectly painted
Miniatures. And I mean the list gets really
particular actually. I mean in a country of only five
million people five million people, I'm probably not going
to find that many other people. That's true if you make the list
too long, I guess that's Is the same for everybody you want to
to find exactly what you're looking for.
So Yeah something yeah. Yeah, a lot of people around
here are playing still six division fantasy or seventh
edition eight years and well, it's just not there's a level of
incompatibility there. yeah, unfortunately, we're a very, you
know, a white said Dying Breed but not the self is through
dropping off by by the tens of thousands, but we're you know,
we're kind of like we're sort of isolated ourselves we must in in
in our in our preference of this particular edition of a game so
I don't look it but you know Yeah, I mean, I mean, I think I
should be honest. I would rather not play and play
on painted. I mean that sounds so cool.
That sounds so snobbish when I say it but that's how it is.
I mean, I don't care if you are Master Class painter every metal
pin or something. Just wanted to be painted.
I mean, it really doesn't do anything for me if it's
completely on painted. That's right.
Yeah, we mean Justin had a bit of a sit-down talk about that
because I was a bit relaxed on last year with the covid thing
in summer. I played a lot of unpainted
scale and models. And he played a lot of unpainted
Empire even to the point where they weren't even under coded.
This was fair bare metal and and we just said look.
Okay. That's it.
We're not going to play ever again unpaid models and said,
yep, we're not going to do it ever again.
And the last played the Empire had everything painted except
for like two models. I think I think two models were
unpainted but I mean that was a pretty big effort for him.
So yeah, and now he's really determined to paint his Empire
Army, which is awesome. So, I'm just following suit and
getting my escape and painted up.
So we're sort of helping each other encouraging each other
that way and motor being motivating each other with games
and stuff like that. But I would say also I mean
having set what I just said about on pain and inches, I
think if it's your first arm, I mean if it's the first then
there's some leeway, I think of course.
Yeah, you want to get gaming and it's motivating to game and you
can't get gaming and pain. The same time I mean have a
fully painted army immediately that's not going to happen.
So I think if it's the first one then of course, yeah, it's
different. But if it's your Army number
five or something in still unpainted than a true.
Yeah, then it's different. That's true.
Yeah. Also today I mean with a
contrast paints and everything. There's so many ways to quickly
paint something if you don't care about how it looks.
Yeah, if that's not your thing, but you just wanted to look
tabletop, whatever. But it's definitely achievable
with the with all these new tools.
I mean back in the day. It was really something
painting. I think for today with all the
washers and all the I mean tricks.
I guess it's really easy. Well, not only that because when
we were painting when I first started painting it was like
there was nothing available. There's no there's just a
printed guide and from Games Workshop.
The interview said, yeah. That was a plus my father.
He was really into this, you know, military scale model.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, so he had all the animals
and the just use those. Yeah, cool, but he's come a long
way because those were simpler very good.
Yeah. But yeah, but the point being
that you know, people have so many resources now they can turn
to for painting. He's there's so many free
resources available now. Yeah, I'm just going to warm a
TV or something like that, you know, you can find some painting
tutorials at there. So yeah, yeah.
Yet all he say I told you there's no excuses.
Now. It's like, you know, you've got
you got everything at your fingertips.
Yep, so you can make something of it.
That's for sure. Where are you going with the
painting there mate? I have they're all silver.
Now. I'm painting a if you know the
this is a regiment of chaos warriors with their the
monopoles the ones with the big X.
I'm going to count those as having a two-handed weapon and
then they've got the old command group from full tuition and a
champion. That's it.
Okay. So these are the fourth edition
monopoles Plastics. Yeah.
Some of them are some of them are the cloud group is of This
is from 4th edition of if it's earlier, it looks quite like
Marauder. I can only Morrison sculpted
design lines. You say designed a lot of those
ministers fourth edition. Anyway, so probably that's
probably fourth edition command group at Sea.
Yeah. Probably problem.
Cool. What I've almost been almost
finished my Batman. I think he's almost to the point
where he's ready for tomorrow's big battle.
Oh, yeah. I'm playing I'm playing a game
to with Marcel in a this is for our the fanzine base.
We're doing a scarce Nick verse Buckman Joseph Buckman battle in
5th edition or so. We've got a little scenario plan
for it's gonna be really cool. I'm going to film it and then
after the publication's released, I'll released a video
for it. So people can watch the battle.
I'm really looking forward to it.
Yeah. It's a thousand points.
Marcel's never played 50 addition before Know what to say
then he he's a big role player. So he got into the game role
playing and he bought a lot of the Miniatures I think back in
the day, but he never actually played wama so he was more
really into the law and the role-playing side of things and
they're now it's really yeah exactly.
So yeah very much like yourself. So he's gonna be coming back
into it in the miniature game. He plays a lot of other
miniature games, but he's never actually played.
What am I? So now he's back into the war.
You're a hammer stuff. So he's got quite a lot of a
vast collection of models. And now he's painting up in the
challenges high off Army and he had like a bit of a fun game
with his nephew. I believe when he came over and
they sort of played kind of like a very loose version of what
hammer and so we're going to play again tomorrow.
He's been reading up on the rules and like I said, most of
the rules are on the reference sheets anyway, so yeah, it's all
it's all pretty straightforward. He knows like he's seen so many
of the videos that I've done on YouTube now that he knows
basically how it goes. I've got a dumb idea.
What's happening. He got he's got a he's got a
really good idea. He's a smart guy too.
So he knows what's going on. So what those are the worst?
Yeah, you'll know you'll know the rules better than I will.
I'm sure yeah, you use his cleverness.
Yeah, so I'm taking control of the the night goblins and he's I
can quote the coil source. So yeah should be fun Fanatics.
Yep. I'll bring six of those.
He know he knows my list. We're drafting as well.
We're drafting or items. I dropped all the items already.
So I had an insane draw of magic items especially for my goblins
like the banners. I've got I've got a battle
Banner a war banner and all the other one Banner of Defiance the
one that you can't pursue. Do if you win a hand income it
doubles your doubles your it doubles your rank bonus, but you
can't pursue. I think it's not I think it's
yeah the Battle of that and not the battle.
It's pretty Barren Defiance. It's insane.
Like I just had the most insane roles.
I'm sorry, the drawers of the cards were just insane.
So I've got those for my for my Army plus a couple other ones
which really good and he got he got a couple of anti-magic.
Dwarf runes like one standard and one runic item for his
characters as well. So yeah, it shouldn't really
cool drafting the rooms as well. Yeah, we draft I dropped all the
time now. I just love drafting.
So okay. I do that by pretty much every
game. I'm going to do that for a
naissance to in the future because I know he's got all
these preset items that he's designed mostly himself, but I'm
going to just use 5th edition items and just draft them
because they're all compatible anyway. it actually takes a lot
of the the the minutiae out of doing lists as well because you
know, and it's a lot it's a lot of that mirroring of magic items
are being taken out of the game as well because otherwise, you
know, you're going to bring the kind of command.
I'll bring the coma command you bring the black Angela Tom bring
the back and Bert you bring the battle band.
I'll bring the battle banner and it's kind of like this, you
know, we bring tit-for-tat the best items in the game and it's
kind of like a bit boring and you know, it's very It just
becomes very predictable over time.
So the drafting so that eliminates all of that.
Yeah, that's so many options that are no options.
That's exactly right the exactly you get you get all these magic
items, but you only take you know, a very small percentage of
them. So and yeah, I think I think the
drafting is really been revolutionary in that sense.
It's been great. So do you categorize it when you
draft? Oh, yes.
Absolutely. Yeah we Don't end up with five
banners and three units. No, so basically you I split I
split all the decks into different categories and then I
take out all the items that aren't relative to the armies
that are playing and then you know, if we if we have it like a
preset idea like, okay, we can't have any item that more than 75
points for weapons. For example, I'll take all the
ones out that are over 75 points.
Otherwise, it's just a you know, we just take everything. from
one 150 or 175 all the way down to like five points and then The
only restriction would be that, you know, if we're playing a
thousand point game we take about five items Max and 1500
points, maybe seven two thousand points, maybe you know 10 and
that kind of thing and then yeah and then we say, okay.
Well, I've got you know, I've got potentially three magic
standard so I can take up to three magic banners.
For example, I've got a couple of Heroes in a And the general
so that's what's a three four five six seven items potentially
and then you sort of just divvy out what you want to take and
then you could go like have you got like a redraw and one of
them so you can throw one back in and take another one as as
like a last option. And and what have you get that's
it if you fix with it, so basically it becomes very
situational. It worked out really well for
Justin and our last game because he had an item that on his
General his armor. Made that the enemy that
attacked him in hand combat had to make it a leadership test and
he was facing my trolls. So that leaves you before so
they never got to attack him. So it just worked out
beautifully for him and he had like this Banner of Arcane
protection. So basically it gave him like a
two plus. Dispel every time I cast a spell
at him. So this became like this really
rock solid unit his Cavalry units.
Oh, yeah, bring brings up all these really wonderful, you
know, unusual combination sometimes and then of course
when you draw them you to get something you would normally not
exactly you're not normally take and then you sort of learn the
items as well. You sort of get more familiar
with the items as well, which I quite like, yeah, and then, you
know, once you draw your items then you can allocate Hate them
too, heavy you want them so you're not sort of saying?
Okay. Well, this is what my general
I'll draw these three items and I'm stuck with them.
You've got a particular you can you can potentially shuffle them
around a little bit. So it gives you a bit of Freedom
as well. It sounds pretty good.
Yeah, I think oh, yeah, I'm going to the the article will be
in the fans in the first edition.
So you can check it out. We're covering everything within
the first edition you're starting to sound like a broken
record this way. And all the talk, he makes I'll
repeat myself, you know, but yeah, but yeah, but you in the
first edition so you can check it out there people can access
it and learn all about it and wondering what this old fart in
Japan is talking about when he saw men Drafting and remote play
and all that kind of stuff. And yeah, if it's maybe it's not
for some people some people don't like it because they love
taking their preset items and that's fair enough.
Sometimes I like to take preset items because it is good every
once in a while. I've lost you there.
Let's do this. Alright, yeah - oh what's
happening? It's certainly muted.
So I mean the process just opened.
It. Shut suddenly is just it says
muted. I don't know.
Okay, let's go. Let's go balance Collins, of
course. Okay.
Sorry, you were gonna say I don't remember.
I think it sounds cool. That's the gist of it.
Okay good. Yeah this if you can get a full
show out of this, I'm impressed. Yeah.
I hope so. But I hope so.
I don't know what I want to do with the editing.
I'm going to make sure I'm so burning when I went to edit this
one. I think just you just make a
speak over whenever I lie in the voice of Sean Connery.
Yeah, but I'm sure I'm sure we find my don't worry be okay.
It's a classic. It's real classy production.
We've got here and the credit command.
Yeah, I like it. You know, it's Yeah, quality
Productions Inc. It's all good.
But I hope you enjoy your game tomorrow night.
I hope is a Joan is that he really enjoys it and well.
Yeah that you guys have a good time.
Yeah, and yeah, all fun as had basically and all the dwarfs
will be squashed. Hopefully not.
I hope all the doors will leave but then tomorrow I'm playing
against a door. So hopefully maybe it maybe it's
a good omen actually. We both play against wolves on
we yeah. Yeah.
Well for me, it's nothing new. I mean, that's basically why I'm
up for me that's false on one side.
There's no way around it. But I think I think we'll wrap
it up. He may awake at night thinking
about what it must be like to play against other arms.
Yeah. Well remote remote remote gaming
is the way you go man. That's that's the way to go what
to do. Wonder whether I have Jesse's
cows are me here actually. So if you want to if you want to
remote game has to be done pretty quickly because after
sent it back to him in New Zealand, so in the next couple
of months we got to do it. Official went to adjust see the
wind and the weather and the own underwear, but the winner least
definitely next month because on this month until they booked out
with games and and whatever so definitely next month will
definitely do it back for sure. Yeah.
I'll be awesome because I've got yeah, I've got a fair bit of
stuff from now for Jesse. I've got some at least 40
beastmen 20 cows Warriors. I've got about wow, how many how
many minotaurs now 3 plus 4 is 7 minotaurs.
I was so disappointed by my minotaurs yesterday is what
happened. I just didn't them, you know how
it is when you just pin something.
They don't work, you know heard of The Painted because the Newt
the freshly painted is usually usually the other way around
usually when they're painted. They oh, no, you know, I mean,
it's always like that if you if somebody uses, um, It's okay
Miniatures. They're awesome and the only
Road sixes but bring you a freshly painted nicely detailed
Miniatures, they suck. I mean, that's my experience.
Anyway, okay. So what happened with them?
They didn't hit it or they didn't they they ran away or
what happened? Well the bloody minotaurs what
what do you expect them to kill everything in sight but they
didn't. Okay.
They got stuck on some dwarf Warriors.
Well granny do all been and then they were charged in the Like by
a beautiful giants like know a troll says they got a charge
beautiful not just a single dragon slayer a single dragon
slayer. Excellent.
Yeah. Yeah, but any killed them all.
Yeah, they're just perished. Brilliant.
Okay. Well, that's good.
That's a good victory for the dwarves there.
So he said joyously he's a hero that guy.
Yeah giving it to one of the Harriet.
Oh, it's a the the middle just to soften them up basically and
then the Chariot came in this poor Albany often did The
Chariot to so brilliant? Okay.
That's awesome. I was worried there for a
second. Yeah.
Yeah, but that came through in the end, you know those impacts
hits. It's not that reliable.
I know yeah, but sometimes it's awesome.
If it rolls high for you, then you've got something to shout
about I think yeah, that's for sure.
All right, buddy. Well, I'm going to I'm going to
have to call it tonight. I'm sorry.
Yeah, thank you so much for joining us.
It's been a really good chance to meet ya.
This is the second time for people who don't know.
This is the second time. We've been we've tried this and
we've overcome the technical difficulties my my boy screaming
downstairs and everything else has been going dropping out and
all that kind of thing. So we managed to do it's a
phone. Yeah.
Yeah one step at a time one step at a time.
We're We'd have to back have you back with a bit of a Renaissance
talk or maybe talk about the the fanzine or something like that?
Maybe in the future? Yes, sir.
Whatever. Okay, that sounds a yeah, but
good luck. Good luck to the dwarves
tomorrow. That's a minute to that's minute
or speak of for f off. Yeah.
It was a clean version by the way.
Yeah. Like I might take here.
Yeah, and that will talk to you again soon.
Talk to you soon. Yes, ok, mate, bye-bye.
Listen to another podcast guys. Hope you enjoyed this one.
Sorry about the technical issues.
We had during the the episode but we did try this is the
second time that we've done this now with dr.
The Viking so hopefully it was yeah good.
Listen and sorry for talking so much.
I just realized I talk so much and the parole doctor the Viking
didn't get to talk much at all. So that's a But hopefully that
didn't deter from a good interview.
Just let me to know that coming up.
We will have the first issue of the hero Hammer fanzine that
we've been talking about. If you don't know what that is,
you can head over to our Facebook group.
We've got a post about it there which is just like a mock-up of
the cover. And yeah, the guys are really
working hard behind the scenes to get this launch to and
hopefully on the Internet by the end of the month and we're just
getting the Articles finished off now and Doing all the
editing and laying out and that kind of thing and it's shaping
up to be something pretty incredible.
So I'm pretty sure you guys would be quite impressed and
we're happy to have the the doctor Viking there as well
because that way Or doctor the biking I should say that way we
can have his PDF battle reports in there too.
And it's just basically expanding the community making
people more aware of what's out there that they didn't know
before and all these great resources that they can have.
So I tried to contact Games Workshop about getting the
approval for the art and that kind of stuff, but I've had no
reply. So hopefully there's going to be
no issues with us using the Artwork and and hopefully we'll
get a couple of X Games Workshop illustrators to submit some art
to us for for use in the magazine which we awesome.
So, yeah, it's really shaping up really well.
So if you want to contact me you can do so through the the
podcasts email. That's the crown of command
podcast at gmail.com. If you want to get in contact
with me about submitting articles or you know, if you got
some really cool idea that you want to share with us in the
magazine or contribute art or whatever.
It might be will certainly have a look at it.
I can't guarantee that. It will be in the issue, but
we'll certainly Have a look at it.
If you want to donate something or contribute in some way
towards it. But you know after you see the
first issue you'll see you know, where we're at basically and
we're fully stretched with the workloads and top of our
ordinary lives. And but we're making this the
best we can make it so that everybody can enjoy a really
great sort of homage to the white dwarves of the early to
mid-90s. And you know, we got some really
talented people putting pulling together to make this really
special. So we look, you know, I'm really
excited about it actually in every time I go to have a look
at what people are working on and we are up with it and what
Hell and Hell is doing the the illustrative layouts and that
kind of thing. He's the sort of design genius
it behind it and 30 and is doing The more of the textual editing
and layout and all that kind of stuff.
Has he does that professionally so to professionals working on
it, which is great. I could never have imagined
doing this myself. It's just impossible.
Is this a nice dream? So yeah be really cool to see
where this takes us. Basically how far we can go with
it. So but until then guys, yeah,
look out for that. It's nearly what it's about the
17th. Now I'm recording this so it
won't be long until that's our put another couple weeks or week
and a half or so before that's out.
So that'll keep you keep you interested on the YouTube
channel. I've got a weekly interview.
We're not an interview. It's kind of like a just a chat
really with Owen Staton. If you don't know and he's a man
from Wales and he's a great story teller he's been doing For
a long time I first heard his voice and heard about him
through the D6 generation. That was like a decade ago.
Found him on Twitter got in contact with him reached out and
said mate, you know, if you want to come in for an interview and
just talk about your gaming history because he's been
playing since the I think second edition, maybe wama I think 2nd
or 3rd Edition. And that just eventually turned
into a sort of videocast and we'd just been just relaxing and
just talking and when's given, you know, giving us 40 minutes
obvious time. If you're weak to talk about his
Hobby and give us a story and he did he did a great beastmen
special last last weekend. I'm going to do another one with
him tonight. We're going to talk about maybe
campaigns and dwarves and other stuff so that be quite cool.
So I'm really enjoying that I'm really enjoying the experience
of obviously having met now Owen and talking to him.
It's been a really good addition to you know, the this great
community of ours. So I hope you enjoying that and
we hope to bring some other stuff for you guys later on.
Don't forget the other podcast. We've got the flail of skulls as
well with your hanus and Casper when he's on he's on so the
doing some really nice styled different kinds of shows now
where they're sort of getting like focusing on an army and
then people making an army list and then they're comparing what
they what they've what they've done.
So I think that's really quite a cool idea and Was Nathan Stones
podcast at the war games Orchid go and check his stuff out
because he's doing some really wonderful stories as well about
the law and the history in these retrospectives that he's doing.
The Discord channels there. We've got more people joining us
every day, which is great to see and that's a growing Community
there and we're doing sort of remote plays and it just
chatting and that kind of thing. So it's a good support network
for people outside of the mm the regular big, you know, two or
three social networking working sites.
If you want to go there and chill out and hang out with the
guys and see what they're doing helping wise.
It's a good way of doing that and We've got a mini campaign
was talking to dr. Barking about with me and
Justin. So I'm going to do that next
weekend. I'm going to record that and do
it. Nice do a nice sort of a video
on that one and we're going to as I said release this as some
kind of PDF in the future where people can just just download
them and hopefully it will you know, if I have the help with a
few of the guys from the fans and make it into A really nice
polished PDF. So it looks really nicely
graphically laid out and it'll look something similar to the
fifth of June campaign sets which are you just excellent
just without the terrain basically.
So yeah, look out for those but a lot of other things happening
in 2021. Just want to wish everybody
really safe and happy 2021 because I haven't done that
already. And yeah that's been busy so far
something 17 days in but we're I feel like it's just just being
crazy already basically, so yeah, but it's been fun.
So until then guys, enjoy whatever is happening in the
community keep everything alive. Keep in contact with people.
Don't stay too isolated wherever you are if you're in a in a sort
of lockdown situation, and yeah, just keep in touch until then.
Take care. Okay, bye-bye.