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Okay, we can eat some clattering
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That's because I've got dr. 
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dr. 
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the doctor biking but I don't 
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We don't know he doesn't know. 
I don't know I give enough. 

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It's a man from Denmark that I 
met through Facebook with his 

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remarkable battle reports with 
him and Johannes playing I think

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it's mainly its I think it's 
Undead and dwarves as animate. 

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It's a it is I have to say it's 
a you want us you'll assist your

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necessary on this sort of 
regular a poem that are you 

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forgiving. 
I mean you do you haven't played

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them. 
So I'm gonna get everybody's 

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name wrong. 
Don't worry about his name 

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country wrong. 
It could be a Hallmark. 

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Yeah, you know, I'm sort of I've
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moment. 
So basically anything goes now, 

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it's kind of like you could be 
anybody right now man. 

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Yeah, that's good. 
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anonymous online and we don't 
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the way you like to keep it and 
that's pretty cool. 

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Yeah, I admire that so but yeah,
I mean we got in contact through

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Facebook as I said, you know 
your stuff through the Cowabunga

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blog is pretty amazing and thank
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talking about it and I and I 
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guys a bit more exposure because
what you're doing is pretty 

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incredible and with all your PDF
battle reports and it'll be 

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real. 
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articles that kind of thing and 
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by it. 
Yeah, so I thought I'll get you 

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on the podcast to talk about it 
and whatever you whatever else 

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you wanted to talk about me. 
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you very much for inviting me to
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business here. 
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Yeah. 
I'm a it's been quite funny. 

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It's great for my me making 
these bad reports. 

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It's obviously driven by by 
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just Alger? 
Yeah, Nostalgia. 

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And sorry. 
I just have to kill something 

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that people in the background. 
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of time to make these things, 
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because I really am To look back
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it also the style I guess is I'm
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white wolf battle report. 
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you would recognize that and 
acknowledge. 

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Yes. 
Yeah. 

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Absolutely. 
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of course that on I'm hopeless 
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I don't know the first thing 
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just using a program by 
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Which is extremely primitive but
it gets the job done this it's 

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not much. 
There's not much more to it. 

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Even a even when I have to make 
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small Snippets of text that go 
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I have to cut the text into 
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all like the old days when you 
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have an actual layout program. 
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could just type in the text and 
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to the images and everything, 
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So, I'm basically I'm just 
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into a PowerPoint document. 
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Well, we've got it we've got a 
pretty big team. 

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Now people in the hero have a 
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of now too because we thought 
we'll take you into the fold and

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you know, you've got great 
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I'm Mark there with your regular
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battle reports you're doing so 
we wanted to include that in the

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fanzine. 
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of people now that you can sort 
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how can I do this better or save
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And I'm sure and he'll and the 
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tips on it man. 
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I've been the I've been talking 
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just to figure out if there's 
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everything is good I think and 
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good cool - great. 
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you mentioned which is called 
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Ninja Turtles. 
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you know, just a standard 
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2003. 
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thought the regular blog format 
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got lost and it didn't look very
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just as many things that that 
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this new platform just many 
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function for instance in order 
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that I made that's completely 
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that's how it goes. 
Am I going to take take what you

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get as far as a with technology 
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white, how can you complain you 
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Well, it's well, yeah, that's 
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I'm actually paying for this are
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Yeah, gotcha. 

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So yeah. 
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campaign that we're playing the 
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actually using the fifth edition
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was it was just I mean they made
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offensive magic in your 
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because we sort of talk that off
off off air and you know, I've 

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which is last couple of years 
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refreshing change going back to 
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play it like the fourth edition 
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in your opponent's turn as well.
You can play Magic and your 

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edition book as well that you 
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fourth edition style and they've
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Which I want I want to try out 
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play with the fifth edition 
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actually quite happy with either
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I think it's quite cool because 
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sometimes it is completely 
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do absolutely nothing. 
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instance. 
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wolves or you play whatever it 
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of dispels. 
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sink 350 points into a magic 
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much and plus all the magical 
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stuff. 
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edition system and I think the 
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depending what race you choose 
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pretty brutal cows is pretty 

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brutal. 
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fairly it. 
I don't think it really did. 

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It doesn't I don't know it for 
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didn't end on Turn 2 or anything

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like that in our experience 
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edition wearing what they kind 
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okay. 
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you've got these reinforces that
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Adds, it adds an extra a little 
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like as well. 
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of things is it's cured by the 
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against wolves. 
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I know you don't you don't share

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great affection for dwarves 
sadly? 

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honest. 
I mean and really iconic as 

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well. 
So it's week and iconic. 

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That's really good. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, I think it's you know, I'm
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I'm a huge lover of dwarves and 
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Sometimes sometimes to play 
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bit boring, you know, because 
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sitting back and shooting all 
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a charge off and if not, then 
you're going to get charged, you

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know. 
More so than they're not but I 

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think yeah, it just depends on 
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What kind of play style you 
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different armies. 
You can switch it out and I like

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playing night goblins as well 
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actually my intention for this 
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Someone somewhat Motley 
amassment of oxen copings cool. 

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what I started collecting back 
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So and I never I never painted 
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we play pregnant. 
Sure. 

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we had. 
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bag of plastic Miniatures Lee 
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big puddle. 
That's that's how I came to look

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back in 94. 
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little Sometimes I'm a little 
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image of anything more photo. 
I mean from in from before two 

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thousand and something digital 
cameras, but but on the other 

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hand and maybe it's a good thing
that I don't have any images or 

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yes. 
Yes, just somebody with my might

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want to float them in my hair 
and just giving to show look 

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what you did. 
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are We're a bunch of role 
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stumbled into Miniatures gaming 
and that's actually that's part 

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of the reason why why we would 
allow ourselves to stoop to the 

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level of unpainted Miniatures 
and Lee goes and whatever 

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figures we could find. 
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nothing else so I've remember 
playing a game against a Wood 

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Elf Army where everything on the
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where he'd written on them what 
it was but at the time it made 

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perfect sense, I mean, We didn't
we didn't think much about it. 

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So yeah, but flash fast forward 
a few years and then we were 

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certainly total miniature 
Schnapps and would never 

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consider anything like that. 
So yeah, what was it wasn't is 

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it a third edition? 
They had the paper cutout 

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stand-ins for Miniatures and 
that kind of thing. 

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Yeah is quite an old back then 
wasn't it? 

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I think so. 
And also I mean coming directly 

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out of spent loads of time 
playing this. 

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And so and there was this sort 
of crossover rules between the 

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world the rope and getting them 
into his game. 

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So it kind of makes sense that 
when you're playing the role 

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playing game you don't actually 
need any miniature. 

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So if you want to have a small 
scene where your heroes are 

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charging into a castle or 
whatever, what do I know then it

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kind of makes made sense at the 
time to just use still paper and

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whatever. 
Yeah, I mean not really caring 

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about dementia. 
Today is totally opposite. 

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Of course now don't play any 
role playing games, but I'll 

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play it again. 
So you all its kind of come full

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circle you stay. 
Yeah, absolutely, man. 

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Yeah, I've sort of come from the
opposite side. 

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Like I didn't really enjoy 
role-playing I felt just very 

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boring. 
It is also often put me to 

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sleep. 
Yeah. 

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I've actually I've had the 
question once by guy who didn't 

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understand at all. 
I mean, how do you win? 

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Yeah. 
I mean, I guess in the role 

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playing game you win in the same
way or since that you do when 

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you watch your film you like. 
I mean, that's true. 

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How do you how do you win? 
Well, if you enjoy the story 

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then you win. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah, so it's not that 
complicated. 

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But I suppose Miniatures were 
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from Denmark. 
Is that correct? 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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So I mean Miniatures weren't 
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locally where they those days. 
I don't know. 

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It's a it's in the smaller big 
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say. 
That wouldn't be any Miniatures 

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at all. 
I think I'll be but even in 

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small. 
I mean the small City I grew up 

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in which is around. 
Five thousand people or 

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something. 
You could go to the local toy 

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store. 
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these are cool metal Michiko 
happy products. 

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I don't remember the actual name
anymore, but it had several 

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names. 
These were some German 

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Miniatures in the style of Games
Workshop and you could buy 

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those. 
I mean, I'd like almost nothing 

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so so we don't buy those and we 
didn't know anything about Games

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Workshop and took took a few 
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Those actually shoots scene for 
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correlated more or less with the
release of full vision and 

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second edition 40. 
That's really when things 

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started becoming accessible. 
I think this is words. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah. 
So those are great and also epic

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but I didn't play that at the 
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that are there was a huge scene 
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Epic. 
And remember also asking this in

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the there was a store called 
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chat. 
I only knew about fantasy and I 

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wanted to know about all these 
other games and he said oh if 

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you're going to pay anything 
else you have to pay epic. 

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Yeah. 
Well I never did but it seems 

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like it was quite popular at the
time. 

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So but if you want a Miniatures 
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it? 
The internet wasn't there? 

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Right? 
So you'd go into the store and 

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then you'd look what's on the 
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choose from. 
Which is radically different to 

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compared to today. 
I think it's a it's kind of a 

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beautiful thing. 
That wasn't it. 

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Like I remember the same thing 
like walking to the comic store 

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in my local mall. 
And yeah, whatever they had on 

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the Shelf is what you could get 
and it's like quite a quite a 

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lovely thing really when I think
about it now. 

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Well, we I think one of the 
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that you go into the store and 
then you'd be looking for that 

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Goblin. 
Whatever that you wanted and 

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then you realize oh it's not 
there. 

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So I'll just buy this to off. 
Yeah, something like that 

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because I want to paint 
something and it has to be cool.

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Yeah. 
Yeah, we had way to travel to do

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bit of a road trip with the go 
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this like the man that the major
city in Queensland to go to the 

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Daily Planet and the Daily 
Planet had like this massive 

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wall full of Citadel Miniatures 
and boss games and everything. 

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It was the only place that we 
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or in the country. 
Basically, I think at that time 

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that had a vast range of Games 
Workshop. 

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And it was just like an amazing 
trip going up there. 

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We used to go to all the all the
time just to even just a look at

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the all the all the wonderful 
boxes and I can still remember 

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all the epic box sets at me and 
my friend Chris would buy 

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because we played epic 
phonetically back then and yeah 

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such a great time. 
Yeah, I suppose I'm imagining 

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that Australia might be a little
like Sweden here in my pants 

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because in Sweden the the 
answers are quite different than

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in Denmark. 
So if sure I mean, it's really 

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nothing to go two hours to have 
a cup of coffee in the game for 

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someone that's there will be the
norm as compared to them. 

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I we're traveling one hour in 
any direction is this looked at 

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us quite a long time? 
Yeah. 

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So I guess your travel four 
hours to collect game store. 

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We traveled we traveled far and 
wide meant to get to anywhere 

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because well, luckily. 
I was lucky. 

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Because we had you know, I have 
my good mate Chris and you know,

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I used to just and I had a car 
so I could I could just drive 

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down to his place and his when 
his wife and child was sleeping 

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and we would just sit down on 
his livingroom floor and just 

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play epic. 
Yeah, every every weekend was 

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brilliant. 
Yeah. 

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I really really cherish those 
memories now. 

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I actually just managed to have 
a game yesterday against that 

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dwarf play of course, but this 
Warfare was actually the same 

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dwarf player that I played. 25 
years ago. 

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Wow. 
So yeah, that's that's a that 

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was quite something. 
Yeah, that's amazing managed to 

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convince convince him to get 
back into it. 

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So you guys playing plays 
Renaissance yet? 

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Yeah, we pay rent rather warmer 
in those on okay, I mean back in

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the day we would also re always 
three guys playing for some 

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reason one had the High Elves 
and I had the goblins and he had

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the troughs and then the basic 
setup. 

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It's always to have the dwarves 
in The Middle on the floor and 

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then the High Elves and the 
government's approaching from 

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each side. 
Yeah, I guess I guess it was 

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some kind of democracy. 
Yeah, I mean you two against one

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in voting. 
Yeah, absolutely for all dwarves

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gonna get slammed on the either 
side. 

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Yeah, but it kind of makes sense
because they could move anyway, 

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so mr. 
Yeah starting them off as a tack

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at one end wouldn't really mean 
that we'll just make it a game 

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of to right. 
Yeah. 

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Yeah the most an economy in the 
entire tie game, but the other 

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there's something there's 
something about the models and 

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everything. 
I think it does attract people 

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even in our, you know called the
crown can challenge painting 

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challenge. 
There's so many dwarf dwarf 

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entries. 
I think there's just something 

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about the character to them. 
Maybe it's just think there are 

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chronic. 
I mean, I don't know funny 

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already. 
Yeah. 

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Absolutely. 
There's simply a bit just sum up

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sum up the whole war hammer. 
I mean if you take this lens and

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Yeah, whatever and I mean a bit 
like the government phonetics, 

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right? 
They also feels kind of iconic 

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to the to the game and she'll 
yeah. 

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Yeah, so it just it holds 
something special in people's 

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memories. 
Maybe I don't know but I think I

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think dwarves are just a lovable
character though, aren't they? 

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I mean, you know, you just you 
just look at the dwarf anything.

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Yeah, I can relate to that old 
guy. 

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You know, he's he loves beer. 
He's a grumpy old bastard like 

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me. 
He's stubborn doesn't prove 

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anything. 
You know, he's just loyal loyal 

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as you know Loyals anything so, 
you know, I can sort of relate 

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to dwarves. 
I think maybe that's what it is.

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I don't know. 
I just I just I just I just may 

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be looking at a third edition 
book and it's looking at dwarves

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besieging this. 
Think I just fell in love with 

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him. 
I just couldn't believe it. 

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I thought that was so cool. 
I think it's I mean it's not so 

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worrying that you can relate to 
them now actually worrying that 

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you could relate to them back 
then probably I couldn't relate 

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to them back. 
Then. 

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I have to still do this 
adorable. 

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I think that I think they'll 
just so cute. 

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And yeah, I don't know. 
I don't know it just made a 

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connection. 
I think most people find 

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something that they connect with
in in some kind of art form and 

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I think miniatures. 
You know people just just find 

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some kind of aesthetic but they 
think that sort of just matches 

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them their personality or 
whatever it is. 

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I don't know. 
Maybe there's a psychology 

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behind it. 
I don't know. 

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Yep. 
I think I've collected actually 

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every Army but dwarfs. 
So what does that say about you?

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Don't you don't like dogs 
though? 

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That's their yeah, Tommy don't 
lie. 

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Cause no I never had any 
incentive to actually like them.

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I like them in she's very much. 
I'm always trying it's the same 

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with my 40K and my all my other 
games actually a me. 

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I'm always trying to fit that 
specific. 

385
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That nobody else has already 
taken. 

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I mean so yeah, if all the other
guys have playing dwarfs or 

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Imperial Guard, I'm not going to
go with that. 

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I'm going to go with something 
that works against it because 

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then we'll have more fun and 
more games. 

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Yeah, we will have out to the 
likes and dislikes mean here 

391
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Dark Elves leave me cold. 
I mean I look at dark it was all

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ones. 
Even the old ones at The 

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Marauder. 
I think there was some pictures 

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of a Marauder Dark Elf Army that
I do like the Miniatures for 

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some guy in America. 
It was some guy called Ken or 

396
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calves or somebody in America 
pain that these really beautiful

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looking which shelf units they 
look fantastic. 

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But yeah as an army, it just 
doesn't really do anything for 

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me at all. 
I think I must admit that a 

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while the fourth edition Doug 
else they leave me pretty Old I 

401
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think the oldest of the 80s 
stuff that really that does 

402
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something. 
Yeah, I suppose it just depends 

403
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on the aesthetic on what people 
like and what this like. 

404
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Yeah, lizard-men. 
Definitely leave me cold. 

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I mean, you know, I'd rather 
just just just grab a whole 

406
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bunch of them and just Chuck 
them into a fireplace person and

407
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watch them burn, but that's 
that's darker together and on a 

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joking either I was going to say
I'm joking, but I'm not joking. 

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I'd rather not yet. 
No. 

410
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No, I didn't just did it. 
I didn't do it. 

411
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No, I just yeah, I just didn't 
didn't didn't they don't appeal 

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to me at all. 
So but we all have our loves and

413
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loves and dislikes or hates or 
whatever. 

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But yeah, but it also shows the 
I mean the not the foresight but

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at least the capability of skins
which have to understand their 

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crowd. 
I mean they've been reaching 

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into every corner because 
everybody yeah be able to find 

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something that they like. 
Yeah, that's true. 

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That's an achievement. 
Yeah. 

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So, I mean I think it for any 
gaming you look at any game this

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there's there's always going to 
be some aspect of it that you 

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don't particularly warm to yeah.
Yeah, but I can find plenty of 

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games where I don't like 
anything. 

424
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Yeah, that's true. 
Yeah, I can do the same. 

425
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Yeah. 
Yeah, I think they've they've 

426
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been clever there. 
But you know, I just enjoy like 

427
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that the fourth edition armies. 
I really like more than the 

428
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fifth edition armies. 
Strangely enough. 

429
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Yeah. 
Yeah. 

430
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I'm sitting pending my fifth 
edition clears. 

431
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Yeah. 
You guys was Nothin too bad. 

432
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I don't like the yeah. 
I think it's it says something 

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about Nostalgia or something 
about just a terror, but I think

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the the designs or the sculpts 
or whatever it was it just it 

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warms my heart more than a lot 
of the fifth edition stuff. 

436
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Yeah, but I mean, I totally 
agree. 

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I mean I think To me at least 
skaven are the best example I 

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mean every version after. 
One just leaves me totally cold.

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I think they I mean they had 
something going and then if they

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lost it with the skaven, I don't
know what happened. 

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But actually I had I had quite 
the reprisal of my fences you 

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gaming around 2000 and something
when 60s and came out and 

443
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unfortunately, most of my 
Miniatures purchased the 

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purchase around this time, which
means a lot of them are not 

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really that in But I'll put then
again I have so many Souls I can

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always find something to paint 
but I think there was some kind 

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of switch. 
I think the most horrible 

448
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example to me at least is the 
night Goblins the plastic Nike 

449
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opens. 
You know what I'm talking about?

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Yep. 
I know the ones you might yeah, 

451
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I think that's a this has to be 
high on the list of the worst of

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that era. 
Yeah, I think I think Brian 

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Nelson is a brilliant sculptor 
brilliant designer. 

454
00:29:13,900 --> 00:29:18,100
But for some reason they just 
gave him the they gave him all 

455
00:29:18,100 --> 00:29:21,100
the Orcs to do in the other 
goblins, which I think weren't 

456
00:29:21,100 --> 00:29:24,100
his strength. 
I mean, I think his other stuff 

457
00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:25,900
he did for Lord of the Rings 
were brilliant. 

458
00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:30,900
Oh, yeah, I'm not. 
Yeah, I think but I just gotta 

459
00:29:30,900 --> 00:29:33,600
know anything. 
Yeah, but I to I didn't yeah. 

460
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:38,500
Yeah, I think it's because it's 
the multi-part part of it is 

461
00:29:38,500 --> 00:29:42,700
what killed those men shows 
because it looked didn't look 

462
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,400
what they call that natural the 
joints and the places they were 

463
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,800
joined and everything. 
It just looked wonky. 

464
00:29:49,300 --> 00:29:53,000
Yeah. 
So yeah. 

465
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,600
Yeah, but then some people going
to love them. 

466
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,400
So it's just it's a catastrophe.
That's what you like out there 

467
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,400
somewhere. 
That's that's one kind of these 

468
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,100
corpses. 
Yeah. 

469
00:30:00,300 --> 00:30:02,500
Yeah. 
That's your he probably started 

470
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:08,900
with those. 
So, so tell me my what did you 

471
00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:11,900
guys think of one of a 
Renaissance? 

472
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,800
I thought it was quite 
brilliant. 

473
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:20,200
I have to say I mean, I mean 
that we played the so the whole 

474
00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:23,700
going back into playing these 
old games is something that's 

475
00:30:23,700 --> 00:30:26,100
been happening for me since 
2010. 

476
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,500
I mean I started with second 
edition 40K back then and then 

477
00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:35,600
we play that on and also the 
years but then We started 

478
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,300
looking back into fantasy as 
well. 

479
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:41,100
And then we've actually played 
4th edition as I mentioned out 

480
00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:47,100
of the box and it quite quickly.
Quite a few things that they 

481
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:51,700
don't really explain them self 
when you read the rule book and 

482
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:57,600
as much as I'm trying to say 
that I don't care about rules. 

483
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:03,900
Of course, I do care about 
having a playable game think I 

484
00:31:03,908 --> 00:31:07,900
think fourth edition as it's 
written in the rulebook is of 

485
00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:09,500
course. 
It's a playable game, but it 

486
00:31:09,500 --> 00:31:12,100
needs a lot of help to get you 
going because there's so many 

487
00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:17,900
things that you just don't But I
look just doesn't work or just 

488
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,700
isn't really clear. even if you 
have the best intentions of 

489
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:26,700
having a good game, so what I 
really like about what I'm a 

490
00:31:26,708 --> 00:31:31,600
Renaissance is that I think it 
seems to have clear out all the 

491
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:36,200
things I didn't like like the 
whole the whole front rank dying

492
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,700
and you not being able to strike
back getting your unit charged 

493
00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:44,900
in a way so that some of them 
can't strike a regimental troop 

494
00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:48,500
of the other side and all these 
small kinds of quartz is I 

495
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:52,200
earned those out Which I really 
think is super cool. 

496
00:31:52,900 --> 00:31:57,800
And then it's very clearly 
written and most importantly 

497
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,500
also gives you totally the same 
feel as though old game. 

498
00:32:01,500 --> 00:32:07,300
So yeah, so I think it's a 
win-win for me at least control.

499
00:32:07,300 --> 00:32:11,400
There's somebody out there who 
would who wanted to be the I 

500
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:17,700
mean the physicality of picking 
up the book and turning the 

501
00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:20,800
pages in The Old book of course 
is not there. 

502
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,500
So and you cannot get it there 
either because this is not the 

503
00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:26,600
whole book. 
It's just something you print 

504
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,400
from the Nets and for some 
people I know this is a 

505
00:32:29,408 --> 00:32:32,900
deal-breaker. 
But yeah, not for my understand.

506
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,200
I think I think what we'll do 
with art on a boulder, but I 

507
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,500
think we might have to ask the 
boys here from the hero him a 

508
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:44,700
fanzine to give that a bit of a 
makeover that oh, yeah a layout 

509
00:32:44,700 --> 00:32:47,000
would be I mean a layout but 
it'd be brilliant. 

510
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,200
Yeah, I'm totally got the 
hospital because if I see a 

511
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,100
black and white rule book, I'm 
like, no. 

512
00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:53,400
Thanks. 
See you later. 

513
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:56,100
Yeah, that's the first first 
thing first reaction. 

514
00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:59,000
You'll get from me isolating up.
If I don't see color if I don't 

515
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,600
see sort of some kind of 
Original layout on something. 

516
00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:07,100
I'm just not interested at all. 
But I stuck with it and I read 

517
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:11,000
through it and I played it and 
yeah, we me and Justin really 

518
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:18,900
enjoy it. 
So yeah, this is just a the show

519
00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:22,700
that keeps on giving we slightly
curse was this is the second 

520
00:33:22,700 --> 00:33:25,400
time we've done this now in the 
first time, you know, you know, 

521
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,100
it was kind of a third time's a 
charm. 

522
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,800
Yeah. 
It was like it was like it was 

523
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,700
you reporting from You know 
somewhere in the in the Tomb can

524
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:37,500
Kings Province somewhere. 
It's like, you know, you're in 

525
00:33:37,508 --> 00:33:40,700
the middle of Sandstorm and 
muffled sounds and that kind of 

526
00:33:40,708 --> 00:33:44,200
thing coming through but now 
we're having sort of dropping 

527
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,400
out. 
Yeah, so you're stuck in the in 

528
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,800
the warp somewhere. 
I guess it might have been 

529
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:55,000
because I mean Technologies 
something happened technology is

530
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,400
always going to be an issue. 
Maybe that's it. 

531
00:33:57,100 --> 00:33:58,400
We never going to get it 
perfect. 

532
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:00,400
So what did I say? 
What did we talk about? 

533
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,100
Second edition 40K. 
Oh, wasn't it? 

534
00:34:04,100 --> 00:34:05,600
Was that long time? 
Okay. 

535
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,100
So what are you hoping someone's
going to pick it up and run with

536
00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:17,100
some kind of know what it was 
some kind of like a revised 

537
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:19,100
Edition. 
I think I think I don't know if 

538
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:23,500
you listen to my podcast with it
was with that one. 

539
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,500
Yeah D bad one. 
Yeah, I think yeah, it's one of 

540
00:34:28,500 --> 00:34:34,600
three shows that I actually 
heard so but yeah Ken Fury, 

541
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,100
that's that's the boy's name. 
Yeah. 

542
00:34:36,100 --> 00:34:38,300
He's a really good guy and he's 
really doing something really 

543
00:34:38,300 --> 00:34:41,500
cool with his, you know, his his
version of it. 

544
00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:44,100
It was more like an army 
selection suggestion. 

545
00:34:44,100 --> 00:34:46,100
I think it was more of a 
tournament. 

546
00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:50,000
The base thing. 
Yeah, it's more sort of centered

547
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,199
towards that but yeah, at least 
at least they're trying 

548
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:53,699
something. 
I mean I suppose there's some 

549
00:34:53,699 --> 00:34:57,000
dining out some of the issues 
that came up in tournaments or 

550
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,300
whatever and games or whatever. 
So yeah, one of the things I 

551
00:35:00,300 --> 00:35:03,600
hear the most when you talk 
about sea condition people 

552
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,700
complaining is the close combat 
system. 

553
00:35:05,700 --> 00:35:08,200
I don't know if you have any 
experience with the class or 

554
00:35:08,207 --> 00:35:09,100
something. 
I love it. 

555
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:10,400
I love the classic. 
Yeah. 

556
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,800
It's basic just be the same as 
Nick Rimando if anybody don't 

557
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,000
know seeing this input. 
Nose Commander. 

558
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,700
It's the same. 
So I guess I can see how it can 

559
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:23,400
come it can become a bit 
long-winded if you have a lot of

560
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:27,100
close combat going on. 
But yeah, I kind of like to but 

561
00:35:27,100 --> 00:35:31,700
I think the game should be sort 
of based on small small forces. 

562
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:35,000
Anyway, like you know, yeah, I 
was in 1500 points it works. 

563
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:39,800
Well, yeah, it's quite easy to 
see how this was a game that was

564
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,500
complimentary to Epic ride. 
I mean, yeah, it is 14K today 

565
00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:47,700
seems to be taking both them. 
Yep. 

566
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,700
Yep. 
So, yeah, I really like the 

567
00:35:50,700 --> 00:35:52,700
second and I like really like 
love the second edition 

568
00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:57,000
hand-to-hand combat system. 
So yeah, there's many good 

569
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,100
things about it. 
I really liked did I in fact 

570
00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:02,800
mention that I have a painting 
challenge for second edition. 

571
00:36:03,500 --> 00:36:07,600
We may have touched on before 
but I don't know maybe maybe I 

572
00:36:07,607 --> 00:36:08,400
don't know. 
I don't know. 

573
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:12,800
There's been a few kusaka is 
drunk between then and else 

574
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:18,800
please what I saw. 
Few interruptions few screaming 

575
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,300
children, and that kind of 
thing. 

576
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:21,600
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

577
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,200
So anyway, I mean, I mean like a
I guess the listeners of this 

578
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,100
podcast will be familiar with 
the Call of the crown. 

579
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,600
That's the word. 
That's a name, right? 

580
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,800
Yep, painting chance a very 
ambitious one. 

581
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,100
I might add because it's running
a whole year and it's 2,000 

582
00:36:36,100 --> 00:36:42,100
points of Warhammer fantasy 
models, which is a lot in my 

583
00:36:42,100 --> 00:36:46,100
humble opinion, but the painting
challenge that I'm running is 

584
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,800
different in that it's only I 
mean, it's say condition 40K of 

585
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:55,200
course, but it's also only a 
thousand points which is in some

586
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,100
cases ten models or something 
like that if you wanted to be 

587
00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:04,000
and I'm running it more or less 
like Led Zeppelin record it so 

588
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,000
it's loose but tight so and this
means that of course you're 

589
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,500
supposed to bring second edition
models and paint them as you 

590
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:16,300
please, but of course, you're 
welcome to paint them like In 

591
00:37:16,300 --> 00:37:18,400
second edition, but it's not a 
it's not mandatory. 

592
00:37:20,700 --> 00:37:24,800
And also if it pleases yourself,
it's alright to bring models 

593
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,400
from other years or ages 
versions or whatever or even 

594
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,600
main manufacturers. 
Is that your thing, but I guess 

595
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,600
if all you want to do is paint 
primaries Marines and do them in

596
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,800
the modern style then perhaps 
it's not for you. 

597
00:37:40,900 --> 00:37:45,300
But anyway, I'm about to launch 
the second season of this 

598
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,300
painting. 
Inch Hmm. 

599
00:37:48,900 --> 00:37:53,600
This will be the deadline for 
submission is 25th of February 

600
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:57,500
and I think compared to the core
of the crown. 

601
00:37:57,500 --> 00:38:02,200
This is somewhat more like, you 
know, those by white dwarf 

602
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:07,100
articles called tale of some Ian
Taylor for gamers. 

603
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:09,100
Yeah. 
Yeah for six or seven or 

604
00:38:09,107 --> 00:38:14,700
whatever so so in a way the 
first season was a bit like a 

605
00:38:14,700 --> 00:38:20,600
tale of 30 in gamers are how 
many we are in that I mean every

606
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,100
month we report in and write a 
small snippet about what you 

607
00:38:24,100 --> 00:38:28,700
painted and I mean a lot of the 
guys have been really exemplary 

608
00:38:28,700 --> 00:38:33,300
in doing this and I made yeah 
made some really cool entries 

609
00:38:33,300 --> 00:38:36,200
and written about them and 
telling how this was. 

610
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,600
Why they wanted to paint this 
and how it fits into their 

611
00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:43,000
second edition. 
I mean all this which makes it 

612
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,300
really interesting for me at 
least to read also, I mean, so 

613
00:38:47,700 --> 00:38:51,200
the problem of course is that I 
cannot cannot do this kind of 

614
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,400
thing with the a hundred 
participants. 

615
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,600
So it's fairly Limited in that 
sense because I'd rather have a 

616
00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:05,500
smaller crowd but What more 
personal ah, no more detailed in

617
00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:09,000
trees like that. 
So I guess in that sense. 

618
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,600
It's not like the call of the 
crown, but you don't do 

619
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,800
anything. 
I mean you just you have a 

620
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,000
future amount of the 
participants, right and then you

621
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,700
yeah and it all together 
something. 

622
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:25,200
So yeah, yeah basic. 
Basically, we just say, you know

623
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:31,700
either paint mm Point Army in a 
year or thousand point. 

624
00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:36,300
I'll be in six months and I 
think it's about 200 points a 

625
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:38,300
month. 
Basically the average. 

626
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,600
Yeah, and then we sort of 
collate all the pictures and we 

627
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,900
put it into a video and put on 
YouTube and that way it was a 

628
00:39:44,908 --> 00:39:50,100
celebrated for his work and hard
hard efforts and then we've had 

629
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:53,400
a few casualties along the way 
and maybe one of them I've had 

630
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,000
to drop out because it's just I 
don't know. 

631
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:59,000
I've just got a yeah, I've just 
got too many things on it my 

632
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,200
way. 
I just I just had other 

633
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,900
priorities in life. 
So I've just had to drop out 

634
00:40:04,900 --> 00:40:08,500
soundly, but I've enjoyed 
enjoyed in so far nearly made it

635
00:40:08,500 --> 00:40:11,300
to the end actually, but I just 
can't I've already I've already 

636
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,000
skipped one month and this 
month. 

637
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,600
This is no way I'm going to get 
the dwarves. 

638
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,800
I need to paint a talk to 200 
points so yeah, basically called

639
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,400
it early. 
Yeah. 

640
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,100
Yeah, but in the end it's a it's
not a not supposed to be a 

641
00:40:26,107 --> 00:40:27,000
second job. 
Right? 

642
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,800
It's it's not supposed to be a 
second job. 

643
00:40:29,300 --> 00:40:31,900
Yeah, but supposed to be good. 
It's supposed to be good fun. 

644
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,700
Yeah, but I'm still paying other
stuff paying escaping now 

645
00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:37,000
because I'm doing sort of a 
campaign with Justin. 

646
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:43,200
They are think I also used my 
also joint my own Challenge and 

647
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,900
I also used my we have one 
Mulligan as you call it. 

648
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:54,100
Yep, so let the other one. 
Other than that, I'm going to 

649
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:55,900
finish on time. 
I think that's good man. 

650
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,800
Yeah, you can do it. 
Yeah, that's great. 

651
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:00,700
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

652
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,400
But I've been very clear that 
it's not I mean I expected. 

653
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,900
Quite a high attrition rate like
50% at least or something. 

654
00:41:10,900 --> 00:41:13,300
Yeah, but actually it wasn't the
case and I don't know if it's 

655
00:41:13,300 --> 00:41:18,400
because it's is a I mean second 
edition is not that many models 

656
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:19,500
simply. 
Yeah, that's true. 

657
00:41:19,500 --> 00:41:22,000
I mean, yeah, that's Randy. 
Of course if you want it if you 

658
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,500
only paint Graz as or something 
then I guess it's it could be a 

659
00:41:26,500 --> 00:41:33,600
lot of models but But basically 
a marine squats of tin is 300 

660
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,200
points or something. 
So yeah, you quickly get through

661
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,100
it. 
Yeah, but it's been really 

662
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:43,000
awesome to do this. 
It's of course to me. 

663
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,700
It was like a corner or Corona 
project doing a painting 

664
00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:50,800
challenge like this because 
there's not that much you can do

665
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,200
and there was no interaction 
with other Gamers or anything. 

666
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,200
So I thought why not do this and
then then I start set out to do 

667
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:02,400
it and so it's been really 
interesting to also because 

668
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:07,000
unexpectedly I think 1/4 of the 
participants or something like 

669
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,800
that. 
They're from Australia. 

670
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:17,700
Yeah, yeah. 
Yeah, you think that but so I've

671
00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:21,600
had to learn all kinds of stuff 
about bushfires and an 

672
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,600
Australian everything. 
I mean, yeah, really interesting

673
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,100
to hear from people all over the
world. 

674
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,300
I mean really, it's good to 
know. 

675
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:31,100
It's been really I love it. 
Yeah same with us like, you know

676
00:42:31,500 --> 00:42:35,800
doing this podcast everything. 
It's just been Wonderful in that

677
00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:39,000
we've sort of make contact with 
I've made contact other people 

678
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:43,100
have through various groups with
people all around the world and 

679
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:45,800
it's been awesome. 
So yeah for that. 

680
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,600
I think Ron has been a great 
success. 

681
00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:50,000
Yeah. 
I took I really don't think it 

682
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,000
would have happened. 
Otherwise, yeah, no. 

683
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,000
Well. 
Yeah, but just to round off the 

684
00:42:58,100 --> 00:43:02,000
second division 40K challenge. 
I mean anybody wishing to or 

685
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,200
interested in joining up. 
Can they go have a look? 

686
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:10,000
the homepage this is the the 
show notes as well. 

687
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,700
Yep. 
That was forming the showing 

688
00:43:11,700 --> 00:43:16,300
that's for sure. 
And then again, we have we still

689
00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:19,000
have some seats left for the 
second season. 

690
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,000
So cool actually. 
Well, there's only going to be 

691
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,900
around 20 seat. 
So it's going to go fast. 

692
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:27,600
All right. 
Okay. 

693
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,800
Yep. 
Comment I would have done if I 

694
00:43:31,808 --> 00:43:34,000
did have any other commitments 
but I think it might have to do 

695
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:41,400
it the following year. 
I think maybe 2022 hmm possibly.

696
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,000
Yeah just being was having I 
don't know. 

697
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,500
I can't say I can't I can't 
commit to anything but I've got 

698
00:43:45,508 --> 00:43:47,400
an orc Army. 
I've got a space or Farm it 

699
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,200
needs painting. 
Oh, yeah, so it's not like I've 

700
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,600
got a lack of figures running up
that I need to do stuff for 

701
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,200
them. 
So I want to get those doors 

702
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,100
Dumbledore students. 
Well, I do want to start with 

703
00:43:58,100 --> 00:43:59,700
your says that that was a thing.
I thought I would. 

704
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,800
The easy option with the space 
walls, but I thought now I love 

705
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,400
you all so much. 
I just I just have to paint 

706
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:06,600
them. 
They're so cool. 

707
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,200
Yeah, definitely be the first 
ones I do. 

708
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,900
But it's funny. 
I mean when I started this, I 

709
00:44:13,900 --> 00:44:16,800
mean it's a realized that 
there's quite a few people who 

710
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,900
actually into the second edition
for the rules. 

711
00:44:19,900 --> 00:44:22,200
Just I mean, they don't 
necessarily like the figures 

712
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,100
they just like the rules yet. 
She is to me. 

713
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:27,200
I would never have thought about
that was possible. 

714
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:32,300
That's all that but but there's 
so many different takes on this 

715
00:44:32,300 --> 00:44:34,300
hobby. 
So that's awesome. 

716
00:44:35,100 --> 00:44:37,300
Yeah. 
It's basically like what Nathan 

717
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:43,400
said in the war games? 
Awkward as well, you know, and 

718
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:47,000
I've been sort of thinking about
this a lot since I got back into

719
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,300
fifth edition. 
Why the hell did we stop playing

720
00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:51,200
all these games? 
Why don't we stop playing the 

721
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,200
games that we loved playing? 
You know what I mean? 

722
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,100
Like, yeah. 
Yeah the Alternatives maybe not 

723
00:44:56,100 --> 00:44:59,300
not as good being the end 
result. 

724
00:44:59,300 --> 00:45:05,500
I think in many cases well for 
me, I mean everything has come 

725
00:45:05,900 --> 00:45:09,200
come full circle, I think 
because now I'm painting old 

726
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,600
Miniatures and playing the old 
We'll send everything I mean and

727
00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:15,200
I've been through the whole 
spectrum of Miniatures games. 

728
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,700
I think I like to think so, I'll
play the newest not been used at

729
00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:21,900
the time. 
It was then used Games Workshop 

730
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:27,900
games and I've played all kinds 
of small obscure games and I 

731
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:32,400
guess some reason I've ended up 
doing old Games Workshop again, 

732
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,400
I guess to say that it isn't 
Nostalgia, I would I don't wanna

733
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,200
I don't want to run it like a 
museum. 

734
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:44,100
I mean, so yeah, that's why I 
really appreciate something like

735
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:47,900
this one for instance because it
makes it feel a little I've even

736
00:45:47,900 --> 00:45:51,000
if it's old stuff. 
Yeah, that's a good point 

737
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:56,200
because I think the Renaissance 
thing is good enough in the fact

738
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,500
that it is modern. 
It is is its evolving and it's a

739
00:45:59,508 --> 00:46:02,700
living rulebook. 
So nothing set in stone. 

740
00:46:02,700 --> 00:46:06,800
So basically if there is some 
kind of glaring issue Or 

741
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,900
something comes up, then it's 
open to be talked about and 

742
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:13,100
possibly change. 
So I think that's that's the 

743
00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:14,500
biggest positive thing about 
that. 

744
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:19,700
Yeah, and also a living 
community is also released yet. 

745
00:46:19,700 --> 00:46:21,400
That's really good too. 
Yeah. 

746
00:46:23,500 --> 00:46:27,400
So, yes, hopefully I will have 
more opportunities to play 

747
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:33,400
Renaissance with my dwarf Army 
in 2021 with Mel mate Justin. 

748
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,300
Yeah, and but we're still 
enjoying 5th edition. 

749
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:40,600
We're going to a fifth of June 
campaign starting this month 

750
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:42,900
later this month and was going 
to it's going to feature and 

751
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:46,000
maybe the second issue of the 
hero Hammer magazine. 

752
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,400
Oh, okay. 
So the first battle anyway, 

753
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,900
we're doing our own sort of 
campaign for that. 

754
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:57,400
Yeah, so based on The black 
plague that's happened in the 

755
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,200
history of the Empire, maybe 
11:15 or something living 14th, 

756
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,400
11:15 or something like that. 
So it's decidedly nautical it is

757
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:11,500
it's very very plaguy with or My
Plague priests and playing Ox 

758
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:13,900
for skaven. 
So we're doing skaven vers 

759
00:47:13,900 --> 00:47:19,400
Empire and that's what basically
what we're going to do. and and 

760
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:22,500
I want other guys involved in 
this as well is basically create

761
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:26,400
campaign packs that people that 
we can we can put together we 

762
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,500
can put we can do all the layout
for them and that kind of stuff 

763
00:47:30,300 --> 00:47:32,600
all the rules and that kind of 
thing and basically have it like

764
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,500
a printer like a printable 
resource that people can 

765
00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:39,700
download and print out and play 
with their friends for all the 

766
00:47:39,700 --> 00:47:43,100
armies that weren't covered in 
the fifth edition campaign sets 

767
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,800
because a lot of armies were 
covered like skaven, for example

768
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:52,400
Chaos weren't covered. 
What's another one lizard man? 

769
00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:54,800
You're bloody hate listening. 
But yeah, we're going to have 

770
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:55,500
work. 
Obviously. 

771
00:47:55,500 --> 00:47:56,700
Someone's going to make one for 
Lisbon. 

772
00:47:56,700 --> 00:48:02,000
Let's say some point what else 
was not covering there. 

773
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:09,400
Cows I do looks Dark Elves. 
No, I don't think we have that. 

774
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:13,100
Oh wasn't that campaign with the
high heels and the diagonals. 

775
00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:16,100
It was a teaser Bishop wasn't 
it? 

776
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:17,100
Yeah, they did. 
Yeah. 

777
00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:20,700
They were featured in that one. 
There would be other ones that 

778
00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:23,900
weren't featured. 
I'm sure vampire counts weren't 

779
00:48:26,300 --> 00:48:31,200
And I'm sure there's one 
glaringly staying in the eyes, 

780
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,500
but I can't remember what it was
now. 

781
00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:36,100
But yeah, it may be chaos the 
chaos and scalable a huge 

782
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:39,600
factions in the Warhammer world.
I mean, yeah, they won't even 

783
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,700
represented in the campaign's 
that's probably because it just 

784
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:44,100
ran at a time and they just were
going to push it to a new 

785
00:48:44,100 --> 00:48:46,800
edition and that is drop the 
whole thing altogether. 

786
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,600
Yeah, but yeah, that'd be lovely
to see those featured at some 

787
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,100
point. 
Absolutely in fan-based campaign

788
00:48:55,100 --> 00:48:57,200
sets. 
I think it'd be awesome actually

789
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:01,800
a I mean for not for Fantasy, 
but for 40K I brought a like for

790
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,900
game campaign. 
Oh, yeah and are you know with 

791
00:49:05,900 --> 00:49:10,900
the these sort of deployment 
maps and everything cool. 

792
00:49:10,900 --> 00:49:15,500
So yeah, but I never really got 
around to finish it and so maybe

793
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,700
the Skillets and so far but we 
actually played it through nice.

794
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,200
Okay good stuff. 
Okay. 

795
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,100
Share it with us in the here 
having fans a night. 

796
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:27,900
And yeah, I think it will go 
into the fencing at some point. 

797
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:31,900
Yeah. 
But there's so many things to 

798
00:49:31,900 --> 00:49:33,200
do. 
Yeah. 

799
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:36,200
I know. 
I know it's strange it. 

800
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:38,900
I'm sort of more busy. 
And now in the pandemic than I 

801
00:49:38,900 --> 00:49:41,700
ever have been. 
Is there something wrong with 

802
00:49:41,700 --> 00:49:44,100
that. 
There's something not right 

803
00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:47,600
about that is there yeah, it's a
little peculiar. 

804
00:49:47,900 --> 00:49:52,700
Yeah, that's bizarre. 
Just bizarre. 

805
00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:59,200
But anyhow. 
Yeah, so you're playing a game 

806
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,400
tomorrow is that right? 
That is correct. 

807
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:06,800
Having a another game of one of 
Renaissance tomorrow cool. 

808
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,600
It's against my regular opponent
Jonas and his pesky dwarves 

809
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:18,200
Imperial blah blah blah dwarfs. 
Okay, and I suppose he's going 

810
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:25,200
to be just to see that they have
a movement for yes 3, yes. 

811
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,400
Awesome. 
We actually we had a situation 

812
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:33,100
in last time we played where his
throat layers were in just 

813
00:50:33,100 --> 00:50:37,800
within the normal charge range, 
but as being towards mates them 

814
00:50:39,300 --> 00:50:41,100
just outside the normal chart 
range. 

815
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:45,400
So I mean that was a very good 
point in case of what's what 

816
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,700
this means. 
I think it's really really 

817
00:50:47,700 --> 00:50:50,500
difficult to get that charge in 
with a unit of Truth layers. 

818
00:50:50,700 --> 00:50:53,500
I've in my opinion. 
It's almost impossible. 

819
00:50:53,900 --> 00:50:56,500
Yeah, it's just going to happen 
now. 

820
00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:02,000
Okay, that's great. 
I'm glad that Janice has 

821
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,000
embraced Renaissance and he's 
willing to try. 

822
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,700
Yeah, that's what happens. 
I mean, yeah, so what I might 

823
00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:11,300
say might burn it afterwards he 
might burn it afterwards you 

824
00:51:11,308 --> 00:51:13,200
might think this is absolute 
rubbish and I'm never playing 

825
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:13,700
this. 
Yeah. 

826
00:51:14,500 --> 00:51:16,100
It's basically just going to 
give it a try I guess. 

827
00:51:16,100 --> 00:51:17,100
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

828
00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:22,100
We did the same and yeah, I'm 
gonna keep trying again. 

829
00:51:22,100 --> 00:51:26,200
It's not going to destroy your 
love of the Old games it's 

830
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:30,300
basically just it's just an 
alternative especially for 

831
00:51:30,300 --> 00:51:33,900
people who have played maybe the
later editions never played 

832
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,900
Renaissance and then we will 
never sorry never played the 

833
00:51:37,900 --> 00:51:41,400
hero Hammer versions of 
understood what you meant and 

834
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,300
it's sort of bridging that Gap. 
So it's basically it's got 

835
00:51:44,300 --> 00:51:47,000
familiar keywords in there. 
It's got familiar units in the 

836
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,400
Army books. 
You know, what we don't want too

837
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,800
many people embracing this 
because that leaves less models 

838
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,900
for me to buy. 
That's true. 

839
00:51:54,900 --> 00:51:56,700
Yeah. 
Yeah, well, I think I think 

840
00:51:56,700 --> 00:51:58,400
through the pandemic. 
I think a lot of people been 

841
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:03,000
spending their their well-earned
Pennies on lots of old models. 

842
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,400
I think that the other prices 
don't seem to be girl down yet. 

843
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,700
No, they haven't actually know 
and I I've purposely and for a 

844
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:17,500
long time now not being going on
to the trade groups or 

845
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,100
especially eBay. 
I don't even bother with eBay 

846
00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:27,000
Don but I just don't go anymore.
Yeah, imagine if four hero have 

847
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,800
I became a super mega popular in
India or China or something? 

848
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:36,900
Yeah, it does suck stuff and 
don't go there don't go in the 

849
00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:38,000
water. 
Yeah. 

850
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:47,700
So I'm just putting together 
Buckman's Banner of just I'm 

851
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:51,200
redoing all the banners to the 
paper banners like the 

852
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,600
old-school style way instead of 
the plastic ones and it's all 

853
00:52:55,600 --> 00:53:01,300
your saw your tutorials on doing
banners for all that metal or 

854
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,100
something. 
Oh, yeah, just yeah. 

855
00:53:05,900 --> 00:53:07,200
I didn't know that was even 
possible. 

856
00:53:09,500 --> 00:53:11,200
It's like a really difficult way
of doing it. 

857
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:13,100
I actually went the icon in the 
end. 

858
00:53:13,100 --> 00:53:14,400
I just went the totally opposite
way. 

859
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:18,200
I just use the the ones they 
supplied with the ships and 

860
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,700
they're bringing and I just 
actually painted over that over 

861
00:53:20,700 --> 00:53:23,900
the top of the paper. 
So I just banish the paper and 

862
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:26,500
then painted over it and so a 
highlighted areas that are 

863
00:53:26,508 --> 00:53:30,200
needed highlighting or made it 
more vibrant giving an extra 

864
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:34,700
coat of paint here and there so 
and that worked out fine. 

865
00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:38,400
So just saved a lot of time in 
the end of story. 

866
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:42,000
It did look at the a little 
labor-intensive and I thought I 

867
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,300
have no idea is no I'm this is 
ever going to get done and I was

868
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:47,800
have no time to do this. 
So I just thought I grow up I'm 

869
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,100
going to use the ones they've 
supplied with the ships and 

870
00:53:51,100 --> 00:53:56,300
their beautiful as is so with a 
bit of extra little never played

871
00:53:56,300 --> 00:53:59,500
Tennessee make you missing out 
on something really great. 

872
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:02,100
Honestly. 
It's been revolutionary since 

873
00:54:02,100 --> 00:54:06,400
I've got it and I bless me old 
mate Bruce here in Japan who 

874
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,300
sold it to me and he saw me a 
whole heap of Ships he gave he 

875
00:54:10,300 --> 00:54:12,700
kindly gave them to me basically
just gave him to me. 

876
00:54:12,700 --> 00:54:18,900
So I was so lucky with that. 
Yeah, he just gave me a whole 

877
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:22,600
stack of stuff and I've just 
picked up a few extra bits and 

878
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,300
pieces to complete some of the 
fleet's and I played a few 

879
00:54:25,300 --> 00:54:27,100
games. 
I've got a got a game with 

880
00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:30,400
Nathan coming up because he's 
never played it. 

881
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:31,500
So I'm going to play it 
remotely. 

882
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,200
We should play remotely then we 
should play directly because 

883
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,700
actually I've only ever played 
remotely. 

884
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,500
Other funny what about it? 
Yeah. 

885
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,900
I'm so I'm so tough that in the 
beginning. 

886
00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:46,400
I didn't understand what playing
remotely meant. 

887
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:49,100
So it wasn't until one of my 
best friends explain to me that 

888
00:54:49,100 --> 00:54:52,400
the he had all the figures and 
then I would be telling him 

889
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,600
where to move them. 
And then it suddenly dawned on 

890
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:55,900
me. 
Oh, you can do that. 

891
00:54:56,300 --> 00:54:59,800
Oh now I get it. 
Yeah for the now I totally get 

892
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,000
it. 
I mean, it's it's the only way 

893
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,000
to do anything like this at this
distance. 

894
00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:08,900
Other than that Hiro Hamada of 
that would be awesome to make at

895
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:11,600
some point. 
Tell me about will be awesome. 

896
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,800
Yeah, and it will happen for 
sure. 

897
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,800
I'm sure but I basically imagine
everybody going to Germany 

898
00:55:17,700 --> 00:55:21,600
either going to Germany or going
to Poland or going to the UI 

899
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,200
Bolin for the the bring out your
lead event. 

900
00:55:26,300 --> 00:55:28,300
We should be something 
spectacular if that actually 

901
00:55:28,300 --> 00:55:30,100
happens, but I'm sure it will 
happen one day. 

902
00:55:32,300 --> 00:55:34,600
It's just yeah, it's just a 
matter of time now. 

903
00:55:35,900 --> 00:55:39,200
And but anyhow, yeah remote play
it does work. 

904
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,800
I'm going to write an article 
about it in the here have a 

905
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,600
fanzine because I think people 
either don't know what the hell 

906
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,500
were talking about when we talk 
about Remote Play. 

907
00:55:48,500 --> 00:55:51,800
I think it all started with me 
and John Joe doing a game of 

908
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:55,300
Renaissance actually as it 
happens because we couldn't meet

909
00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:57,100
up. 
So we said well, let's try it 

910
00:55:57,100 --> 00:56:01,600
was I'll get the I'll get the 
tablet and I'll get the phone 

911
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:04,400
camera. 
And that's how we've all 

912
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:05,800
started. 
That's how it all started 

913
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,500
basically and it's sort of a 
snowball from there and we just 

914
00:56:08,500 --> 00:56:12,800
kept going with it with other 
people and and it's worked out 

915
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,300
fine actually. 
So yeah, it's definitely doable 

916
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:20,000
and I just we just found some 
other podcast other sorry 

917
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,700
YouTube channels where guys from
the two fat ladies are doing it 

918
00:56:24,100 --> 00:56:28,500
with their games a lot of those 
games also. 

919
00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:31,300
Yeah, they're wonderful, but 
they're wonderful guys Rich 

920
00:56:31,300 --> 00:56:33,000
Clark and all that. 
They're excellent. 

921
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,800
And and they've been talking 
about it to in recently on 

922
00:56:36,900 --> 00:56:39,500
YouTube and talking about how 
they've been doing it and and 

923
00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:41,300
telling people, you know, this 
is how to do it. 

924
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,100
It's not very complicated. 
You don't need to be a tech whiz

925
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:47,400
or anything like that and it's 
really easy setup. 

926
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,900
You've seen a smartphone and 
basically you're away in an 

927
00:56:50,900 --> 00:56:54,100
internet connection. 
Obviously Chagas. 

928
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,800
Yeah, and it's charge it to ya. 
I'm always have to charge 

929
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:03,000
everything when I'm doing my my 
head is running out of sauce. 

930
00:57:03,100 --> 00:57:06,100
In the middle of it. 
It's happened. 

931
00:57:06,100 --> 00:57:09,300
It's happened to me like like a 
live stream was dropped out like

932
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:12,200
just towards the very end 
because I've just forgotten to 

933
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,700
turn on the power on the on the 
on the phone charger and this is

934
00:57:15,700 --> 00:57:19,100
dropped and just died. 
So yeah that's bound to happen, 

935
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:21,700
but it's been fun man. 
It's been brilliant because 

936
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:25,100
otherwise I would never have to 
opportunity maybe to play a lot 

937
00:57:25,100 --> 00:57:27,600
of people. 
Nothing brilliant. 

938
00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:31,200
Yeah, I mean based on yourself 
in Japan kind of does that. 

939
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:33,900
Yep, it's all the screws you 
that way if you want to play as 

940
00:57:33,900 --> 00:57:37,700
people across the ocean there. 
Yeah. 

941
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:39,900
It's not going to happen anytime
soon. 

942
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:44,300
And the prospect of players is 
even smaller. 

943
00:57:45,100 --> 00:57:46,700
I guess. 
I have no excuse because 

944
00:57:46,700 --> 00:57:50,200
apparently I'm living in the 
Warhammer country you are you 

945
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,600
are man. 
I don't know any of these guys 

946
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,100
may be one bit from Denmark 
assist me. 

947
00:57:56,300 --> 00:58:00,200
Absolutely, amazing and Sweden 
to yeah, I lived in Sweden for a

948
00:58:00,207 --> 00:58:02,900
few years on the didn't meet 
anybody there either really so 

949
00:58:02,900 --> 00:58:04,900
okay. 
Well, but I guess I'm just not 

950
00:58:04,900 --> 00:58:10,600
that I mean if I was there to 
work so I worked and well didn't

951
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,100
leave a lot of time to 
investigate the local scene on 

952
00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:16,000
the things of true. 
Yeah. 

953
00:58:16,300 --> 00:58:18,000
Yeah. 
Well, you probably also have 

954
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,000
that's for sure. 
Yeah. 

955
00:58:20,100 --> 00:58:24,300
I mean, I'm hoping to at least 
figure out what this the whole 

956
00:58:24,300 --> 00:58:28,100
Renaissance Community is. 
I can if they're actually doing 

957
00:58:28,100 --> 00:58:33,300
a not on the Corona but normally
if they're doing like a some 

958
00:58:33,300 --> 00:58:35,000
kind of inter tournament or 
whatever. 

959
00:58:36,300 --> 00:58:38,600
I mean, I don't actually like 
tournaments but it's a nice way 

960
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:41,700
of meeting people anyway, so I 
think I think their taunts in 

961
00:58:41,700 --> 00:58:44,700
would be really pretty good 
because it's all bunch of, you 

962
00:58:44,707 --> 00:58:49,900
know guys our age and I think 
they're all sort of not super 

963
00:58:49,900 --> 00:58:52,300
uber competitive and it's all 
sort of quite all friendly and 

964
00:58:52,300 --> 00:58:54,700
having a few beers and just 
having a laugh kind of thing. 

965
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,500
It's not it's not all vampire 
lots and some be dragons. 

966
00:58:57,700 --> 00:58:59,900
I don't think so. 
I don't think it's that kind of 

967
00:58:59,900 --> 00:59:03,100
we're not we're not talking 
about the 90s being resurrected 

968
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:07,000
in that sense. 
So, They did actually have one 

969
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:11,100
at the beginning of 2020. 
Yeah, finally not just missed 

970
00:59:11,100 --> 00:59:12,000
it. 
Yeah. 

971
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,300
Yeah exactly. 
You just missed out on that one,

972
00:59:14,900 --> 00:59:19,000
but they did have one in their 
local games room will gate not 

973
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,300
games room games club or 
something like that. 

974
00:59:21,300 --> 00:59:25,600
They've got like a little house.
They rent out or something and 

975
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,700
it will be brilliant. 
You know, I was dead Keen to go.

976
00:59:28,700 --> 00:59:32,700
But of course it was never never
could have happened financially 

977
00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:35,100
and because of flight 
restrictions and all that kind 

978
00:59:35,100 --> 00:59:38,200
of thing, but Yeah, yeah, we're 
good. 

979
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:43,500
We've been good. 
So one day I might one day 

980
00:59:43,500 --> 00:59:47,000
you'll get there. 
I'm sure yeah, just a matter of 

981
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,500
time now. 
I mean, I think Denmark is a bit

982
00:59:49,500 --> 00:59:52,800
like hobbiton or something. 
So yeah, everybody's extremely 

983
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:59,200
skeptical of everybody else. 
Yeah, but like I said, yeah 

984
00:59:59,300 --> 01:00:03,500
because you guys had you guys 
had some kind of old Hammer 

985
01:00:03,500 --> 01:00:05,000
event there as well. 
Didn't you? 

986
01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:06,900
You scared me a link or 
something about it. 

987
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:11,100
Oh, yeah, we try to have like 
asked. 

988
01:00:11,300 --> 01:00:16,600
The Navy and old hamady, but I 
think it never amounted to that 

989
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,600
much. 
But it I guess it has potential 

990
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,800
in the long run to make 
something like this. 

991
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:32,500
But so far, it's been like 10 15
people meeting up soon do yeah. 

992
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:36,900
But also I guess it's also a 
question of how elaborate your 

993
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:42,100
advertising is. 
So yeah, it's true. 

994
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,900
Yeah, it's actually more work 
than you think because when 

995
01:00:44,900 --> 01:00:48,500
everybody's in their own little 
Echo chamber B it while a 

996
01:00:48,500 --> 01:00:51,600
Renaissance or second edition or
whatever you have to go to all 

997
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:56,400
these different places and make 
make sure everybody understands 

998
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,400
what it is that you're trying to
get them to do. 

999
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,200
Yes first with the problem with 
so many editions. 

1000
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,200
It's going to be very fractured.
So you're going to have people 

1001
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,800
in our own little camps and 
people play 6th edition aren't 

1002
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,400
going to play the hero home 
additions and vice versa Bisbee.

1003
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:16,000
Yeah and people who are really 
DieHard 8th Edition players. 

1004
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,300
Well, they're not the are people
going to find that not they're 

1005
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:20,100
not going to have that many 
people wanting to play that 

1006
01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:23,100
addition and yeah, no, I mean 
point from key. 

1007
01:01:23,100 --> 01:01:27,900
So actually, I mean not that 
long ago at the asked if anybody

1008
01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:32,100
in the vicinity of a Living it 
was interested in meeting up, 

1009
01:01:33,100 --> 01:01:36,800
but then I realized that I mean,
so I wanted to meet up and I 

1010
01:01:36,808 --> 01:01:39,200
wanted to have a fun narrative 
game. 

1011
01:01:39,700 --> 01:01:43,600
I want to play with perfectly 
open images perfectly painted 

1012
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:48,500
Miniatures. 
And I mean the list gets really 

1013
01:01:48,500 --> 01:01:52,100
particular actually. 
I mean in a country of only five

1014
01:01:52,100 --> 01:01:54,400
million people five million 
people, I'm probably not going 

1015
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,800
to find that many other people. 
That's true if you make the list

1016
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:02,600
too long, I guess that's Is the 
same for everybody you want to 

1017
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,400
to find exactly what you're 
looking for. 

1018
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:09,800
So Yeah something yeah. 
Yeah, a lot of people around 

1019
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,600
here are playing still six 
division fantasy or seventh 

1020
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:20,000
edition eight years and well, 
it's just not there's a level of

1021
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:25,900
incompatibility there. yeah, 
unfortunately, we're a very, you

1022
01:02:25,900 --> 01:02:30,900
know, a white said Dying Breed 
but not the self is through 

1023
01:02:30,900 --> 01:02:33,600
dropping off by by the tens of 
thousands, but we're you know, 

1024
01:02:33,600 --> 01:02:38,900
we're kind of like we're sort of
isolated ourselves we must in in

1025
01:02:38,900 --> 01:02:42,900
in our in our preference of this
particular edition of a game so 

1026
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:49,500
I don't look it but you know 
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I think I 

1027
01:02:49,500 --> 01:02:51,900
should be honest. 
I would rather not play and play

1028
01:02:51,900 --> 01:02:54,300
on painted. 
I mean that sounds so cool. 

1029
01:02:54,300 --> 01:02:56,700
That sounds so snobbish when I 
say it but that's how it is. 

1030
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:01,000
I mean, I don't care if you are 
Master Class painter every metal

1031
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,300
pin or something. 
Just wanted to be painted. 

1032
01:03:03,300 --> 01:03:05,500
I mean, it really doesn't do 
anything for me if it's 

1033
01:03:05,500 --> 01:03:08,000
completely on painted. 
That's right. 

1034
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,400
Yeah, we mean Justin had a bit 
of a sit-down talk about that 

1035
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:14,300
because I was a bit relaxed on 
last year with the covid thing 

1036
01:03:14,300 --> 01:03:15,900
in summer. 
I played a lot of unpainted 

1037
01:03:15,900 --> 01:03:18,800
scale and models. 
And he played a lot of unpainted

1038
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,600
Empire even to the point where 
they weren't even under coded. 

1039
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:27,000
This was fair bare metal and and
we just said look. 

1040
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:27,700
Okay. 
That's it. 

1041
01:03:27,700 --> 01:03:30,500
We're not going to play ever 
again unpaid models and said, 

1042
01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:32,100
yep, we're not going to do it 
ever again. 

1043
01:03:32,500 --> 01:03:36,400
And the last played the Empire 
had everything painted except 

1044
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,600
for like two models. 
I think I think two models were 

1045
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,500
unpainted but I mean that was a 
pretty big effort for him. 

1046
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,800
So yeah, and now he's really 
determined to paint his Empire 

1047
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:50,300
Army, which is awesome. 
So, I'm just following suit and 

1048
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:51,800
getting my escape and painted 
up. 

1049
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,300
So we're sort of helping each 
other encouraging each other 

1050
01:03:54,300 --> 01:03:57,500
that way and motor being 
motivating each other with games

1051
01:03:57,500 --> 01:04:01,100
and stuff like that. 
But I would say also I mean 

1052
01:04:01,100 --> 01:04:03,500
having set what I just said 
about on pain and inches, I 

1053
01:04:03,500 --> 01:04:07,300
think if it's your first arm, I 
mean if it's the first then 

1054
01:04:07,500 --> 01:04:10,600
there's some leeway, I think of 
course. 

1055
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:14,400
Yeah, you want to get gaming and
it's motivating to game and you 

1056
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:19,800
can't get gaming and pain. 
The same time I mean have a 

1057
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,000
fully painted army immediately 
that's not going to happen. 

1058
01:04:22,500 --> 01:04:26,000
So I think if it's the first one
then of course, yeah, it's 

1059
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,400
different. 
But if it's your Army number 

1060
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:32,700
five or something in still 
unpainted than a true. 

1061
01:04:33,500 --> 01:04:35,800
Yeah, then it's different. 
That's true. 

1062
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,800
Yeah. 
Also today I mean with a 

1063
01:04:39,808 --> 01:04:42,500
contrast paints and everything. 
There's so many ways to quickly 

1064
01:04:42,500 --> 01:04:44,500
paint something if you don't 
care about how it looks. 

1065
01:04:44,500 --> 01:04:47,600
Yeah, if that's not your thing, 
but you just wanted to look 

1066
01:04:47,900 --> 01:04:51,900
tabletop, whatever. 
But it's definitely achievable 

1067
01:04:51,900 --> 01:04:54,400
with the with all these new 
tools. 

1068
01:04:54,900 --> 01:04:57,600
I mean back in the day. 
It was really something 

1069
01:04:57,900 --> 01:05:01,000
painting. 
I think for today with all the 

1070
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,900
washers and all the I mean 
tricks. 

1071
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:07,400
I guess it's really easy. 
Well, not only that because when

1072
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,400
we were painting when I first 
started painting it was like 

1073
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,200
there was nothing available. 
There's no there's just a 

1074
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,600
printed guide and from Games 
Workshop. 

1075
01:05:15,600 --> 01:05:22,500
The interview said, yeah. 
That was a plus my father. 

1076
01:05:22,500 --> 01:05:26,300
He was really into this, you 
know, military scale model. 

1077
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,800
Oh, yeah. 
Yeah, so he had all the animals 

1078
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:35,400
and the just use those. 
Yeah, cool, but he's come a long

1079
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,600
way because those were simpler 
very good. 

1080
01:05:38,100 --> 01:05:43,800
Yeah. 
But yeah, but the point being 

1081
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,400
that you know, people have so 
many resources now they can turn

1082
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,200
to for painting. 
He's there's so many free 

1083
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,200
resources available now. 
Yeah, I'm just going to warm a 

1084
01:05:53,207 --> 01:05:56,100
TV or something like that, you 
know, you can find some painting

1085
01:05:56,700 --> 01:05:59,600
tutorials at there. 
So yeah, yeah. 

1086
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,800
Yet all he say I told you 
there's no excuses. 

1087
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:06,700
Now. 
It's like, you know, you've got 

1088
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:08,500
you got everything at your 
fingertips. 

1089
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,700
Yep, so you can make something 
of it. 

1090
01:06:12,700 --> 01:06:17,700
That's for sure. 
Where are you going with the 

1091
01:06:17,700 --> 01:06:22,500
painting there mate? 
I have they're all silver. 

1092
01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:26,400
Now. 
I'm painting a if you know the 

1093
01:06:27,700 --> 01:06:31,300
this is a regiment of chaos 
warriors with their the 

1094
01:06:31,300 --> 01:06:33,600
monopoles the ones with the big 
X. 

1095
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,800
I'm going to count those as 
having a two-handed weapon and 

1096
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:42,600
then they've got the old command
group from full tuition and a 

1097
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:43,700
champion. 
That's it. 

1098
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:46,300
Okay. 
So these are the fourth edition 

1099
01:06:46,300 --> 01:06:48,200
monopoles Plastics. 
Yeah. 

1100
01:06:48,300 --> 01:06:51,800
Some of them are some of them 
are the cloud group is of This 

1101
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,600
is from 4th edition of if it's 
earlier, it looks quite like 

1102
01:06:55,600 --> 01:07:00,800
Marauder. 
I can only Morrison sculpted 

1103
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:02,700
design lines. 
You say designed a lot of those 

1104
01:07:02,700 --> 01:07:05,200
ministers fourth edition. 
Anyway, so probably that's 

1105
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,400
probably fourth edition command 
group at Sea. 

1106
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,300
Yeah. 
Probably problem. 

1107
01:07:11,900 --> 01:07:13,700
Cool. 
What I've almost been almost 

1108
01:07:13,700 --> 01:07:18,000
finished my Batman. 
I think he's almost to the point

1109
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,700
where he's ready for tomorrow's 
big battle. 

1110
01:07:20,500 --> 01:07:22,700
Oh, yeah. 
I'm playing I'm playing a game 

1111
01:07:22,700 --> 01:07:28,400
to with Marcel in a this is for 
our the fanzine base. 

1112
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:33,100
We're doing a scarce Nick verse 
Buckman Joseph Buckman battle in

1113
01:07:33,100 --> 01:07:37,200
5th edition or so. 
We've got a little scenario plan

1114
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,500
for it's gonna be really cool. 
I'm going to film it and then 

1115
01:07:40,500 --> 01:07:44,500
after the publication's 
released, I'll released a video 

1116
01:07:44,500 --> 01:07:46,400
for it. 
So people can watch the battle. 

1117
01:07:48,100 --> 01:07:49,200
I'm really looking forward to 
it. 

1118
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:50,400
Yeah. 
It's a thousand points. 

1119
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:55,900
Marcel's never played 50 
addition before Know what to say

1120
01:07:55,900 --> 01:08:00,800
then he he's a big role player. 
So he got into the game role 

1121
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:05,400
playing and he bought a lot of 
the Miniatures I think back in 

1122
01:08:05,408 --> 01:08:09,000
the day, but he never actually 
played wama so he was more 

1123
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,300
really into the law and the 
role-playing side of things and 

1124
01:08:12,300 --> 01:08:14,700
they're now it's really yeah 
exactly. 

1125
01:08:14,700 --> 01:08:17,700
So yeah very much like yourself.
So he's gonna be coming back 

1126
01:08:17,700 --> 01:08:20,600
into it in the miniature game. 
He plays a lot of other 

1127
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:22,300
miniature games, but he's never 
actually played. 

1128
01:08:22,300 --> 01:08:23,800
What am I? 
So now he's back into the war. 

1129
01:08:24,300 --> 01:08:27,399
You're a hammer stuff. 
So he's got quite a lot of a 

1130
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:30,300
vast collection of models. 
And now he's painting up in the 

1131
01:08:30,300 --> 01:08:34,899
challenges high off Army and he 
had like a bit of a fun game 

1132
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:39,899
with his nephew. 
I believe when he came over and 

1133
01:08:39,899 --> 01:08:43,300
they sort of played kind of like
a very loose version of what 

1134
01:08:43,300 --> 01:08:47,600
hammer and so we're going to 
play again tomorrow. 

1135
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:51,100
He's been reading up on the 
rules and like I said, most of 

1136
01:08:51,100 --> 01:08:55,000
the rules are on the reference 
sheets anyway, so yeah, it's all

1137
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,600
it's all pretty straightforward.
He knows like he's seen so many 

1138
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,100
of the videos that I've done on 
YouTube now that he knows 

1139
01:09:00,399 --> 01:09:03,899
basically how it goes. 
I've got a dumb idea. 

1140
01:09:03,899 --> 01:09:05,500
What's happening. 
He got he's got a he's got a 

1141
01:09:05,508 --> 01:09:07,200
really good idea. 
He's a smart guy too. 

1142
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,899
So he knows what's going on. 
So what those are the worst? 

1143
01:09:11,200 --> 01:09:13,600
Yeah, you'll know you'll know 
the rules better than I will. 

1144
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,899
I'm sure yeah, you use his 
cleverness. 

1145
01:09:16,100 --> 01:09:24,300
Yeah, so I'm taking control of 
the the night goblins and he's I

1146
01:09:24,308 --> 01:09:28,500
can quote the coil source. 
So yeah should be fun Fanatics. 

1147
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,000
Yep. 
I'll bring six of those. 

1148
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:34,500
He know he knows my list. 
We're drafting as well. 

1149
01:09:34,500 --> 01:09:37,000
We're drafting or items. 
I dropped all the items already.

1150
01:09:37,100 --> 01:09:43,000
So I had an insane draw of magic
items especially for my goblins 

1151
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,200
like the banners. 
I've got I've got a battle 

1152
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:52,800
Banner a war banner and all the 
other one Banner of Defiance the

1153
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,900
one that you can't pursue. 
Do if you win a hand income it 

1154
01:09:55,900 --> 01:10:00,000
doubles your doubles your it 
doubles your rank bonus, but you

1155
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,600
can't pursue. 
I think it's not I think it's 

1156
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:04,200
yeah the Battle of that and not 
the battle. 

1157
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,800
It's pretty Barren Defiance. 
It's insane. 

1158
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,800
Like I just had the most insane 
roles. 

1159
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,200
I'm sorry, the drawers of the 
cards were just insane. 

1160
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:16,000
So I've got those for my for my 
Army plus a couple other ones 

1161
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,700
which really good and he got he 
got a couple of anti-magic. 

1162
01:10:21,500 --> 01:10:26,100
Dwarf runes like one standard 
and one runic item for his 

1163
01:10:26,500 --> 01:10:29,400
characters as well. 
So yeah, it shouldn't really 

1164
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:32,900
cool drafting the rooms as well.
Yeah, we draft I dropped all the

1165
01:10:32,900 --> 01:10:34,400
time now. 
I just love drafting. 

1166
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,700
So okay. 
I do that by pretty much every 

1167
01:10:37,700 --> 01:10:38,900
game. 
I'm going to do that for a 

1168
01:10:38,907 --> 01:10:41,200
naissance to in the future 
because I know he's got all 

1169
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,900
these preset items that he's 
designed mostly himself, but I'm

1170
01:10:43,900 --> 01:10:46,800
going to just use 5th edition 
items and just draft them 

1171
01:10:47,500 --> 01:10:51,900
because they're all compatible 
anyway. it actually takes a lot 

1172
01:10:51,900 --> 01:10:59,700
of the the the minutiae out of 
doing lists as well because you 

1173
01:10:59,700 --> 01:11:03,300
know, and it's a lot it's a lot 
of that mirroring of magic items

1174
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:07,200
are being taken out of the game 
as well because otherwise, you 

1175
01:11:07,208 --> 01:11:09,900
know, you're going to bring the 
kind of command. 

1176
01:11:09,900 --> 01:11:12,300
I'll bring the coma command you 
bring the black Angela Tom bring

1177
01:11:12,300 --> 01:11:14,300
the back and Bert you bring the 
battle band. 

1178
01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:17,100
I'll bring the battle banner and
it's kind of like this, you 

1179
01:11:17,100 --> 01:11:20,900
know, we bring tit-for-tat the 
best items in the game and it's 

1180
01:11:20,900 --> 01:11:26,400
kind of like a bit boring and 
you know, it's very It just 

1181
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,900
becomes very predictable over 
time. 

1182
01:11:29,900 --> 01:11:32,000
So the drafting so that 
eliminates all of that. 

1183
01:11:32,300 --> 01:11:35,000
Yeah, that's so many options 
that are no options. 

1184
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,100
That's exactly right the exactly
you get you get all these magic 

1185
01:11:38,100 --> 01:11:41,400
items, but you only take you 
know, a very small percentage of

1186
01:11:41,407 --> 01:11:46,100
them. 
So and yeah, I think I think the

1187
01:11:46,100 --> 01:11:48,400
drafting is really been 
revolutionary in that sense. 

1188
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,500
It's been great. 
So do you categorize it when you

1189
01:11:50,500 --> 01:11:51,900
draft? 
Oh, yes. 

1190
01:11:51,900 --> 01:11:54,900
Absolutely. 
Yeah we Don't end up with five 

1191
01:11:54,900 --> 01:12:00,200
banners and three units. 
No, so basically you I split I 

1192
01:12:00,208 --> 01:12:02,300
split all the decks into 
different categories and then I 

1193
01:12:02,300 --> 01:12:06,900
take out all the items that 
aren't relative to the armies 

1194
01:12:06,900 --> 01:12:11,600
that are playing and then you 
know, if we if we have it like a

1195
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:15,500
preset idea like, okay, we can't
have any item that more than 75 

1196
01:12:15,500 --> 01:12:18,100
points for weapons. 
For example, I'll take all the 

1197
01:12:18,100 --> 01:12:20,500
ones out that are over 75 
points. 

1198
01:12:20,900 --> 01:12:24,600
Otherwise, it's just a you know,
we just take everything. from 

1199
01:12:24,700 --> 01:12:34,700
one 150 or 175 all the way down 
to like five points and then The

1200
01:12:34,700 --> 01:12:38,300
only restriction would be that, 
you know, if we're playing a 

1201
01:12:38,300 --> 01:12:43,800
thousand point game we take 
about five items Max and 1500 

1202
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:49,400
points, maybe seven two thousand
points, maybe you know 10 and 

1203
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:52,100
that kind of thing and then yeah
and then we say, okay. 

1204
01:12:52,100 --> 01:12:55,800
Well, I've got you know, I've 
got potentially three magic 

1205
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:58,000
standard so I can take up to 
three magic banners. 

1206
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:03,700
For example, I've got a couple 
of Heroes in a And the general 

1207
01:13:03,700 --> 01:13:08,700
so that's what's a three four 
five six seven items potentially

1208
01:13:09,900 --> 01:13:13,000
and then you sort of just divvy 
out what you want to take and 

1209
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,900
then you could go like have you 
got like a redraw and one of 

1210
01:13:15,900 --> 01:13:19,700
them so you can throw one back 
in and take another one as as 

1211
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:24,800
like a last option. 
And and what have you get that's

1212
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:28,000
it if you fix with it, so 
basically it becomes very 

1213
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,100
situational. 
It worked out really well for 

1214
01:13:30,100 --> 01:13:35,500
Justin and our last game because
he had an item that on his 

1215
01:13:35,500 --> 01:13:39,700
General his armor. 
Made that the enemy that 

1216
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,900
attacked him in hand combat had 
to make it a leadership test and

1217
01:13:42,900 --> 01:13:45,600
he was facing my trolls. 
So that leaves you before so 

1218
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,200
they never got to attack him. 
So it just worked out 

1219
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:51,600
beautifully for him and he had 
like this Banner of Arcane 

1220
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,000
protection. 
So basically it gave him like a 

1221
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:58,300
two plus. 
Dispel every time I cast a spell

1222
01:13:58,300 --> 01:14:00,100
at him. 
So this became like this really 

1223
01:14:00,100 --> 01:14:02,000
rock solid unit his Cavalry 
units. 

1224
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:07,400
Oh, yeah, bring brings up all 
these really wonderful, you 

1225
01:14:07,400 --> 01:14:11,500
know, unusual combination 
sometimes and then of course 

1226
01:14:11,500 --> 01:14:14,000
when you draw them you to get 
something you would normally not

1227
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,300
exactly you're not normally take
and then you sort of learn the 

1228
01:14:17,300 --> 01:14:18,900
items as well. 
You sort of get more familiar 

1229
01:14:18,900 --> 01:14:23,800
with the items as well, which I 
quite like, yeah, and then, you 

1230
01:14:23,808 --> 01:14:26,000
know, once you draw your items 
then you can allocate Hate them 

1231
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,600
too, heavy you want them so 
you're not sort of saying? 

1232
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:29,700
Okay. 
Well, this is what my general 

1233
01:14:29,700 --> 01:14:31,800
I'll draw these three items and 
I'm stuck with them. 

1234
01:14:32,900 --> 01:14:35,700
You've got a particular you can 
you can potentially shuffle them

1235
01:14:35,700 --> 01:14:38,400
around a little bit. 
So it gives you a bit of Freedom

1236
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,500
as well. 
It sounds pretty good. 

1237
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:45,100
Yeah, I think oh, yeah, I'm 
going to the the article will be

1238
01:14:45,100 --> 01:14:46,400
in the fans in the first 
edition. 

1239
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:50,200
So you can check it out. 
We're covering everything within

1240
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,100
the first edition you're 
starting to sound like a broken 

1241
01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:56,600
record this way. 
And all the talk, he makes I'll 

1242
01:14:56,600 --> 01:15:00,000
repeat myself, you know, but 
yeah, but yeah, but you in the 

1243
01:15:00,008 --> 01:15:02,300
first edition so you can check 
it out there people can access 

1244
01:15:02,300 --> 01:15:06,800
it and learn all about it and 
wondering what this old fart in 

1245
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,500
Japan is talking about when he 
saw men Drafting and remote play

1246
01:15:10,500 --> 01:15:15,200
and all that kind of stuff. 
And yeah, if it's maybe it's not

1247
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,900
for some people some people 
don't like it because they love 

1248
01:15:17,900 --> 01:15:20,000
taking their preset items and 
that's fair enough. 

1249
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,400
Sometimes I like to take preset 
items because it is good every 

1250
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:29,000
once in a while. 
I've lost you there. 

1251
01:15:29,100 --> 01:15:31,600
Let's do this. 
Alright, yeah - oh what's 

1252
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,200
happening? 
It's certainly muted. 

1253
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,800
So I mean the process just 
opened. 

1254
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:38,500
It. 
Shut suddenly is just it says 

1255
01:15:38,500 --> 01:15:39,300
muted. 
I don't know. 

1256
01:15:39,500 --> 01:15:41,700
Okay, let's go. 
Let's go balance Collins, of 

1257
01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:42,300
course. 
Okay. 

1258
01:15:42,300 --> 01:15:46,600
Sorry, you were gonna say I 
don't remember. 

1259
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:51,600
I think it sounds cool. 
That's the gist of it. 

1260
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:56,600
Okay good. 
Yeah this if you can get a full 

1261
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:58,500
show out of this, I'm impressed.
Yeah. 

1262
01:16:01,900 --> 01:16:02,900
I hope so. 
But I hope so. 

1263
01:16:02,900 --> 01:16:04,500
I don't know what I want to do 
with the editing. 

1264
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:06,900
I'm going to make sure I'm so 
burning when I went to edit this

1265
01:16:06,900 --> 01:16:08,300
one. 
I think just you just make a 

1266
01:16:08,308 --> 01:16:15,200
speak over whenever I lie in the
voice of Sean Connery. 

1267
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:22,000
Yeah, but I'm sure I'm sure we 
find my don't worry be okay. 

1268
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,500
It's a classic. 
It's real classy production. 

1269
01:16:24,500 --> 01:16:25,800
We've got here and the credit 
command. 

1270
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:32,500
Yeah, I like it. 
You know, it's Yeah, quality 

1271
01:16:32,500 --> 01:16:37,100
Productions Inc. 
It's all good. 

1272
01:16:37,900 --> 01:16:39,700
But I hope you enjoy your game 
tomorrow night. 

1273
01:16:39,700 --> 01:16:43,900
I hope is a Joan is that he 
really enjoys it and well. 

1274
01:16:43,900 --> 01:16:45,400
Yeah that you guys have a good 
time. 

1275
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:50,300
Yeah, and yeah, all fun as had 
basically and all the dwarfs 

1276
01:16:50,300 --> 01:16:52,700
will be squashed. 
Hopefully not. 

1277
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,300
I hope all the doors will leave 
but then tomorrow I'm playing 

1278
01:16:55,300 --> 01:16:59,000
against a door. 
So hopefully maybe it maybe it's

1279
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,700
a good omen actually. 
We both play against wolves on 

1280
01:17:01,700 --> 01:17:03,800
we yeah. 
Yeah. 

1281
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:07,100
Well for me, it's nothing new. 
I mean, that's basically why I'm

1282
01:17:07,100 --> 01:17:08,600
up for me that's false on one 
side. 

1283
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:17,400
There's no way around it. 
But I think I think we'll wrap 

1284
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,000
it up. 
He may awake at night thinking 

1285
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,300
about what it must be like to 
play against other arms. 

1286
01:17:21,300 --> 01:17:25,800
Yeah. 
Well remote remote remote gaming

1287
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,400
is the way you go man. 
That's that's the way to go what

1288
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:32,100
to do. 
Wonder whether I have Jesse's 

1289
01:17:32,100 --> 01:17:35,100
cows are me here actually. 
So if you want to if you want to

1290
01:17:35,100 --> 01:17:36,900
remote game has to be done 
pretty quickly because after 

1291
01:17:36,900 --> 01:17:39,600
sent it back to him in New 
Zealand, so in the next couple 

1292
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:44,200
of months we got to do it. 
Official went to adjust see the 

1293
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:47,400
wind and the weather and the own
underwear, but the winner least 

1294
01:17:47,500 --> 01:17:50,500
definitely next month because on
this month until they booked out

1295
01:17:51,500 --> 01:17:56,400
with games and and whatever so 
definitely next month will 

1296
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,500
definitely do it back for sure. 
Yeah. 

1297
01:17:58,900 --> 01:18:01,300
I'll be awesome because I've got
yeah, I've got a fair bit of 

1298
01:18:01,300 --> 01:18:04,500
stuff from now for Jesse. 
I've got some at least 40 

1299
01:18:04,500 --> 01:18:12,400
beastmen 20 cows Warriors. 
I've got about wow, how many how

1300
01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:16,800
many minotaurs now 3 plus 4 is 7
minotaurs. 

1301
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:21,400
I was so disappointed by my 
minotaurs yesterday is what 

1302
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:23,900
happened. 
I just didn't them, you know how

1303
01:18:23,900 --> 01:18:25,400
it is when you just pin 
something. 

1304
01:18:25,400 --> 01:18:30,300
They don't work, you know heard 
of The Painted because the Newt 

1305
01:18:30,300 --> 01:18:32,800
the freshly painted is usually 
usually the other way around 

1306
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:36,300
usually when they're painted. 
They oh, no, you know, I mean, 

1307
01:18:36,300 --> 01:18:39,900
it's always like that if you if 
somebody uses, um, It's okay 

1308
01:18:39,900 --> 01:18:42,000
Miniatures. 
They're awesome and the only 

1309
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,800
Road sixes but bring you a 
freshly painted nicely detailed 

1310
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:49,500
Miniatures, they suck. 
I mean, that's my experience. 

1311
01:18:49,500 --> 01:18:51,200
Anyway, okay. 
So what happened with them? 

1312
01:18:51,300 --> 01:18:54,200
They didn't hit it or they 
didn't they they ran away or 

1313
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,600
what happened? 
Well the bloody minotaurs what 

1314
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,900
what do you expect them to kill 
everything in sight but they 

1315
01:18:59,900 --> 01:19:01,800
didn't. 
Okay. 

1316
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,300
They got stuck on some dwarf 
Warriors. 

1317
01:19:05,900 --> 01:19:09,800
Well granny do all been and then
they were charged in the Like by

1318
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:13,900
a beautiful giants like know a 
troll says they got a charge 

1319
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,700
beautiful not just a single 
dragon slayer a single dragon 

1320
01:19:16,700 --> 01:19:17,700
slayer. 
Excellent. 

1321
01:19:17,700 --> 01:19:20,100
Yeah. 
Yeah, but any killed them all. 

1322
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,200
Yeah, they're just perished. 
Brilliant. 

1323
01:19:23,300 --> 01:19:24,000
Okay. 
Well, that's good. 

1324
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:25,700
That's a good victory for the 
dwarves there. 

1325
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,200
So he said joyously he's a hero 
that guy. 

1326
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,200
Yeah giving it to one of the 
Harriet. 

1327
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:37,100
Oh, it's a the the middle just 
to soften them up basically and 

1328
01:19:37,100 --> 01:19:42,200
then the Chariot came in this 
poor Albany often did The 

1329
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:44,100
Chariot to so brilliant? 
Okay. 

1330
01:19:44,100 --> 01:19:46,300
That's awesome. 
I was worried there for a 

1331
01:19:46,308 --> 01:19:47,100
second. 
Yeah. 

1332
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:50,400
Yeah, but that came through in 
the end, you know those impacts 

1333
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,000
hits. 
It's not that reliable. 

1334
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,400
I know yeah, but sometimes it's 
awesome. 

1335
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:01,100
If it rolls high for you, then 
you've got something to shout 

1336
01:20:01,100 --> 01:20:03,100
about I think yeah, that's for 
sure. 

1337
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,100
All right, buddy. 
Well, I'm going to I'm going to 

1338
01:20:07,100 --> 01:20:09,000
have to call it tonight. 
I'm sorry. 

1339
01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:13,000
Yeah, thank you so much for 
joining us. 

1340
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:15,300
It's been a really good chance 
to meet ya. 

1341
01:20:15,300 --> 01:20:17,100
This is the second time for 
people who don't know. 

1342
01:20:17,100 --> 01:20:19,700
This is the second time. 
We've been we've tried this and 

1343
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:24,300
we've overcome the technical 
difficulties my my boy screaming

1344
01:20:24,300 --> 01:20:27,600
downstairs and everything else 
has been going dropping out and 

1345
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,800
all that kind of thing. 
So we managed to do it's a 

1346
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:30,800
phone. 
Yeah. 

1347
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,300
Yeah one step at a time one step
at a time. 

1348
01:20:34,300 --> 01:20:37,600
We're We'd have to back have you
back with a bit of a Renaissance

1349
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:42,100
talk or maybe talk about the the
fanzine or something like that? 

1350
01:20:42,100 --> 01:20:44,100
Maybe in the future? 
Yes, sir. 

1351
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:49,400
Whatever. 
Okay, that sounds a yeah, but 

1352
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:50,900
good luck. 
Good luck to the dwarves 

1353
01:20:50,900 --> 01:20:59,000
tomorrow. 
That's a minute to that's minute

1354
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,000
or speak of for f off. 
Yeah. 

1355
01:21:02,700 --> 01:21:03,900
It was a clean version by the 
way. 

1356
01:21:03,900 --> 01:21:07,200
Yeah. 
Like I might take here. 

1357
01:21:07,900 --> 01:21:09,700
Yeah, and that will talk to you 
again soon. 

1358
01:21:10,500 --> 01:21:12,600
Talk to you soon. 
Yes, ok, mate, bye-bye. 

1359
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:23,500
Listen to another podcast guys. 
Hope you enjoyed this one. 

1360
01:21:23,500 --> 01:21:24,800
Sorry about the technical 
issues. 

1361
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:30,700
We had during the the episode 
but we did try this is the 

1362
01:21:30,700 --> 01:21:35,200
second time that we've done this
now with dr. 

1363
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:38,300
The Viking so hopefully it was 
yeah good. 

1364
01:21:38,300 --> 01:21:40,900
Listen and sorry for talking so 
much. 

1365
01:21:40,900 --> 01:21:46,200
I just realized I talk so much 
and the parole doctor the Viking

1366
01:21:46,200 --> 01:21:49,800
didn't get to talk much at all. 
So that's a But hopefully that 

1367
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:51,700
didn't deter from a good 
interview. 

1368
01:21:53,700 --> 01:21:55,600
Just let me to know that coming 
up. 

1369
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:59,500
We will have the first issue of 
the hero Hammer fanzine that 

1370
01:21:59,508 --> 01:22:01,500
we've been talking about. 
If you don't know what that is, 

1371
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:03,300
you can head over to our 
Facebook group. 

1372
01:22:03,300 --> 01:22:07,000
We've got a post about it there 
which is just like a mock-up of 

1373
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:10,400
the cover. 
And yeah, the guys are really 

1374
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:15,000
working hard behind the scenes 
to get this launch to and 

1375
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:21,000
hopefully on the Internet by the
end of the month and we're just 

1376
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:24,700
getting the Articles finished 
off now and Doing all the 

1377
01:22:24,700 --> 01:22:28,600
editing and laying out and that 
kind of thing and it's shaping 

1378
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:30,500
up to be something pretty 
incredible. 

1379
01:22:30,500 --> 01:22:33,400
So I'm pretty sure you guys 
would be quite impressed and 

1380
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:38,600
we're happy to have the the 
doctor Viking there as well 

1381
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:43,800
because that way Or doctor the 
biking I should say that way we 

1382
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:47,100
can have his PDF battle reports 
in there too. 

1383
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:50,800
And it's just basically 
expanding the community making 

1384
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:53,300
people more aware of what's out 
there that they didn't know 

1385
01:22:53,300 --> 01:22:57,400
before and all these great 
resources that they can have. 

1386
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:01,700
So I tried to contact Games 
Workshop about getting the 

1387
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,600
approval for the art and that 
kind of stuff, but I've had no 

1388
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,000
reply. 
So hopefully there's going to be

1389
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:14,700
no issues with us using the 
Artwork and and hopefully we'll 

1390
01:23:14,700 --> 01:23:21,800
get a couple of X Games Workshop
illustrators to submit some art 

1391
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:26,600
to us for for use in the 
magazine which we awesome. 

1392
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,600
So, yeah, it's really shaping up
really well. 

1393
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:35,900
So if you want to contact me you
can do so through the the 

1394
01:23:35,900 --> 01:23:38,300
podcasts email. 
That's the crown of command 

1395
01:23:38,300 --> 01:23:42,000
podcast at gmail.com. 
If you want to get in contact 

1396
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:46,500
with me about submitting 
articles or you know, if you got

1397
01:23:46,500 --> 01:23:50,700
some really cool idea that you 
want to share with us in the 

1398
01:23:50,708 --> 01:23:53,400
magazine or contribute art or 
whatever. 

1399
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:56,100
It might be will certainly have 
a look at it. 

1400
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:59,000
I can't guarantee that. 
It will be in the issue, but 

1401
01:23:59,300 --> 01:24:01,600
we'll certainly Have a look at 
it. 

1402
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:05,200
If you want to donate something 
or contribute in some way 

1403
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:08,000
towards it. 
But you know after you see the 

1404
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:12,600
first issue you'll see you know,
where we're at basically and 

1405
01:24:12,700 --> 01:24:17,200
we're fully stretched with the 
workloads and top of our 

1406
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:20,500
ordinary lives. 
And but we're making this the 

1407
01:24:20,500 --> 01:24:25,000
best we can make it so that 
everybody can enjoy a really 

1408
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:28,500
great sort of homage to the 
white dwarves of the early to 

1409
01:24:28,500 --> 01:24:31,900
mid-90s. 
And you know, we got some really

1410
01:24:32,100 --> 01:24:36,200
talented people putting pulling 
together to make this really 

1411
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:39,000
special. 
So we look, you know, I'm really

1412
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,600
excited about it actually in 
every time I go to have a look 

1413
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:45,700
at what people are working on 
and we are up with it and what 

1414
01:24:45,900 --> 01:24:52,700
Hell and Hell is doing the the 
illustrative layouts and that 

1415
01:24:52,700 --> 01:24:54,800
kind of thing. 
He's the sort of design genius 

1416
01:24:54,800 --> 01:25:03,300
it behind it and 30 and is doing
The more of the textual editing 

1417
01:25:03,300 --> 01:25:05,200
and layout and all that kind of 
stuff. 

1418
01:25:06,300 --> 01:25:09,100
Has he does that professionally 
so to professionals working on 

1419
01:25:09,100 --> 01:25:11,700
it, which is great. 
I could never have imagined 

1420
01:25:11,700 --> 01:25:13,800
doing this myself. 
It's just impossible. 

1421
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:17,600
Is this a nice dream? 
So yeah be really cool to see 

1422
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:20,700
where this takes us. 
Basically how far we can go with

1423
01:25:20,700 --> 01:25:24,800
it. 
So but until then guys, yeah, 

1424
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,900
look out for that. 
It's nearly what it's about the 

1425
01:25:26,900 --> 01:25:29,300
17th. 
Now I'm recording this so it 

1426
01:25:29,300 --> 01:25:32,800
won't be long until that's our 
put another couple weeks or week

1427
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:34,200
and a half or so before that's 
out. 

1428
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:39,500
So that'll keep you keep you 
interested on the YouTube 

1429
01:25:39,500 --> 01:25:42,800
channel. 
I've got a weekly interview. 

1430
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,600
We're not an interview. 
It's kind of like a just a chat 

1431
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:49,600
really with Owen Staton. 
If you don't know and he's a man

1432
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,700
from Wales and he's a great 
story teller he's been doing For

1433
01:25:52,708 --> 01:25:57,100
a long time I first heard his 
voice and heard about him 

1434
01:25:57,100 --> 01:25:59,600
through the D6 generation. 
That was like a decade ago. 

1435
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:03,800
Found him on Twitter got in 
contact with him reached out and

1436
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,200
said mate, you know, if you want
to come in for an interview and 

1437
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:09,600
just talk about your gaming 
history because he's been 

1438
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:15,100
playing since the I think second
edition, maybe wama I think 2nd 

1439
01:26:15,100 --> 01:26:19,400
or 3rd Edition. 
And that just eventually turned 

1440
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:23,600
into a sort of videocast and 
we'd just been just relaxing and

1441
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:29,000
just talking and when's given, 
you know, giving us 40 minutes 

1442
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:31,300
obvious time. 
If you're weak to talk about his

1443
01:26:31,300 --> 01:26:35,600
Hobby and give us a story and he
did he did a great beastmen 

1444
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:39,600
special last last weekend. 
I'm going to do another one with

1445
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,500
him tonight. 
We're going to talk about maybe 

1446
01:26:42,500 --> 01:26:47,100
campaigns and dwarves and other 
stuff so that be quite cool. 

1447
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,100
So I'm really enjoying that I'm 
really enjoying the experience 

1448
01:26:50,100 --> 01:26:55,500
of obviously having met now Owen
and talking to him. 

1449
01:26:55,500 --> 01:27:02,100
It's been a really good addition
to you know, the this great 

1450
01:27:02,100 --> 01:27:06,200
community of ours. 
So I hope you enjoying that and 

1451
01:27:06,300 --> 01:27:09,300
we hope to bring some other 
stuff for you guys later on. 

1452
01:27:10,500 --> 01:27:13,800
Don't forget the other podcast. 
We've got the flail of skulls as

1453
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:18,700
well with your hanus and Casper 
when he's on he's on so the 

1454
01:27:18,700 --> 01:27:24,000
doing some really nice styled 
different kinds of shows now 

1455
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,400
where they're sort of getting 
like focusing on an army and 

1456
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,600
then people making an army list 
and then they're comparing what 

1457
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,300
they what they've what they've 
done. 

1458
01:27:31,300 --> 01:27:35,400
So I think that's really quite a
cool idea and Was Nathan Stones 

1459
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:39,900
podcast at the war games Orchid 
go and check his stuff out 

1460
01:27:39,900 --> 01:27:43,400
because he's doing some really 
wonderful stories as well about 

1461
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:48,100
the law and the history in these
retrospectives that he's doing. 

1462
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:53,600
The Discord channels there. 
We've got more people joining us

1463
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,600
every day, which is great to see
and that's a growing Community 

1464
01:27:56,600 --> 01:28:00,300
there and we're doing sort of 
remote plays and it just 

1465
01:28:00,300 --> 01:28:02,800
chatting and that kind of thing.
So it's a good support network 

1466
01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:08,000
for people outside of the mm the
regular big, you know, two or 

1467
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,300
three social networking working 
sites. 

1468
01:28:10,300 --> 01:28:12,700
If you want to go there and 
chill out and hang out with the 

1469
01:28:12,700 --> 01:28:14,400
guys and see what they're doing 
helping wise. 

1470
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:22,700
It's a good way of doing that 
and We've got a mini campaign 

1471
01:28:22,700 --> 01:28:26,600
was talking to dr. 
Barking about with me and 

1472
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:28,100
Justin. 
So I'm going to do that next 

1473
01:28:28,100 --> 01:28:32,100
weekend. 
I'm going to record that and do 

1474
01:28:32,100 --> 01:28:34,800
it. 
Nice do a nice sort of a video 

1475
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:39,100
on that one and we're going to 
as I said release this as some 

1476
01:28:39,100 --> 01:28:43,300
kind of PDF in the future where 
people can just just download 

1477
01:28:43,300 --> 01:28:46,900
them and hopefully it will you 
know, if I have the help with a 

1478
01:28:46,907 --> 01:28:49,500
few of the guys from the fans 
and make it into A really nice 

1479
01:28:49,500 --> 01:28:53,400
polished PDF. 
So it looks really nicely 

1480
01:28:53,700 --> 01:28:59,000
graphically laid out and it'll 
look something similar to the 

1481
01:28:59,300 --> 01:29:01,600
fifth of June campaign sets 
which are you just excellent 

1482
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:03,200
just without the terrain 
basically. 

1483
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:09,000
So yeah, look out for those but 
a lot of other things happening 

1484
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:10,800
in 2021. 
Just want to wish everybody 

1485
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:14,600
really safe and happy 2021 
because I haven't done that 

1486
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:18,700
already. 
And yeah that's been busy so far

1487
01:29:18,700 --> 01:29:23,300
something 17 days in but we're I
feel like it's just just being 

1488
01:29:23,300 --> 01:29:26,300
crazy already basically, so 
yeah, but it's been fun. 

1489
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,700
So until then guys, enjoy 
whatever is happening in the 

1490
01:29:30,700 --> 01:29:33,800
community keep everything alive.
Keep in contact with people. 

1491
01:29:34,700 --> 01:29:39,000
Don't stay too isolated wherever
you are if you're in a in a sort

1492
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:43,600
of lockdown situation, and yeah,
just keep in touch until then. 

1493
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:45,700
Take care. 
Okay, bye-bye.