1 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,760 Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of The Crown of 2 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,320 Command. Today. 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,040 I just wanted to give a explanation what's to what this 4 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,160 is. It's called my first White 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,480 Dwarf, and it's been a series that I've been running on the 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,480 YouTube channel for a number of years now. 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:30,040 It's one of my favorite videos to make with people because they 8 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:34,960 bring their story of where they found their first white dwarf. 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,120 It may have been through a friend or cousin or brother. 10 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:41,680 It could been through their father. 11 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,760 It could been through their local game store newsagent. 12 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:49,840 We'll all have our own tale to tell about where we discovered 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:53,120 our very first white dwarf. And of course, it took us down 14 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,960 this massive rabbit hole into Games Workshop products, most 15 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:03,800 namely one Third Edition, 4th edition, 140 K Second Edition, 16 00:01:04,519 --> 00:01:09,320 and all those games that were released during the early 90s 17 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,760 during that, what we'd like to call the golden period of Games 18 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,760 Workshop. So this is a series we've been 19 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,640 running for quite a while. As I said, you can find all the 20 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:23,040 videos for that in a playlist on my YouTube channel at Chronic 21 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:26,520 Command Games. So just go to YouTube, put in 22 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,920 the search engine, Crown of Command Games to find my my 23 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,640 channel, and you can listen to all of those episodes there, 24 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,840 which are really entertaining. They're basically a visual 25 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,120 podcast. And during the process of that 26 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:45,280 podcast, they might go for about 40 minutes, if not less or more. 27 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,440 And I tend to edit them down to about 20 minutes. 28 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:55,000 But all the other footage in audio is it tends to be lost and 29 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,800 I delete it or what have you. But I thought that's quite a 30 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,520 shame because a lot of the things that people are talking 31 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:05,320 about related to the articles and everything like that would 32 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,240 be just nice to hear for people. So I thought I'd bring it to the 33 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,040 podcast so you can expect more of those in the future as kind 34 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,400 of fillers in between interviews, in between deep 35 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,600 dives or what other content we're doing later in the year. 36 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaking of which, it's now the 4th of December. 37 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,400 So I just can't believe how fast this year is this sort of flown 38 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,560 by. So I hope you have reached your 39 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,680 hobby goals if you have or if there's something you've 40 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,560 achieved over the last 12 months, maybe you want to call 41 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,040 into a bedroom of battlefields. Not literally. 42 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:45,880 There's a little placement ad I put into the into the episodes. 43 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,600 Now, you may have heard those before where Matthew talks about 44 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,200 like a question of the month. And yeah, this one for December. 45 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,640 I've sort of missed those last couple ones, which are a real 46 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:59,640 shame because I did have a couple of things I wanted to 47 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:00,800 talk about. I think. 48 00:03:01,640 --> 00:03:06,560 Let's see, October was about your favorite game store, local 49 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:11,720 local friendly game store. And for us here, it's in Chiba 50 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,880 called the Miniature Forest, run by a little guy, lovely Japanese 51 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,880 guy called Mori. And he has a store there that 52 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:24,200 has many tables where people game in tabletop role play, 53 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,040 board games, there's painting tables there. 54 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,960 And it's it's not so far from the station. 55 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,200 And that's where we congregate to have our Wahama Renaissance 56 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,800 days there. And whatever other gaming 57 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,640 related days that we all get together and have a fun social, 58 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,280 social time. So it's a real shame I couldn't 59 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:50,200 get that on the on the bedroom battlefields podcast for that 60 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:55,600 question of the month And November was about painting and 61 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,360 what it means to you. And it's a real shame. 62 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,160 I, I, I tried to get my audio clip through to, to Matthew 63 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,960 there, but for some reason the site wasn't, was down or 64 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,040 something like that and then it wouldn't accept my microphone or 65 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,720 something like that. So I had a few issues there. 66 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:19,240 But to wrap up that very quickly is that it's a pretty much an 67 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,000 integral part of my hobby, but it's not my complete hobby. 68 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:27,640 It's I paint to play and some people paint to display, but I'm 69 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,680 very much a painter play. I love playing. 70 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:34,520 Gaming is a big part. If not, it's not the biggest 71 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,440 part. I think it shares with painting 72 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,920 5050 with me. So, but everything I paint, 73 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,240 there's a purpose to it being eventually put on the tabletop 74 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,760 to game with. I want to, you know, physically 75 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,000 move that model around, roll dice and you know, be an active 76 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,320 part of the gameplay experience, whether it be on a on a board 77 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,920 game or on the tabletop. So painting for me is very much 78 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:03,080 a, an essential part of the visual aspects, the aesthetical 79 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:08,920 pleasing aspects of gaming. And if you play with unpainted 80 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:13,040 miniatures, which you know, is up to you, I think you're just 81 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,000 losing a massive part of what the gaming experience is all 82 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:20,400 about. So, so there you go, Matthew. 83 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:21,840 I've answered those questions for you mate. 84 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,120 So just not on your podcast, mate, Sorry. 85 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:27,160 I did try. I will, I will definitely get 86 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,600 the one in for December talking about, you know, what you've 87 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,880 achieved in the last 12 months and your hobby goals. 88 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,600 Now Mark the person that's featured in our first White 89 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:42,160 Dwarf article today is a big part of the bedroom battlefields 90 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,680 community there on Discord. And I think we met through 91 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,640 there. He he's he was a participant of 92 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,280 my painting tutorials and I think that's how he first 93 00:05:53,280 --> 00:05:57,080 contacted me about that. So if you don't know, I'd, I run 94 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:02,480 one-on-one classes for people at very reasonable prices through 95 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,320 my Patreon and they're about 40 minutes long. 96 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,840 I record them, I edit a video and I send it back to them so 97 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:12,800 that they got like a permanent record of all the things they 98 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,520 wanted to learn during that lesson. 99 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,040 So Mark's been a part of that. So thanks again, Mark, for all 100 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:19,400 those lessons, mate. I think that was like a 101 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,560 Christmas present last year from his wife. 102 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:27,920 So, and we did, we covered lots of things, like really difficult 103 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,600 technical stuff that I haven't even tackled, like Translucent 104 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,320 white gowns covering these ladies bodies. 105 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,560 And you have to, you know, show the show their skin colour 106 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,960 through the sort of the veiled very thin fabrics that they're 107 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,600 wearing and that sort of stuff. He's got very specific, had very 108 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,680 specific needs for mini miniatures he was painting for 109 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,120 his games and stuff he was playing. 110 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,800 So yeah, it presents really good challenges for me, and I try to 111 00:06:55,800 --> 00:07:01,000 do my best to bring a very practical way of giving you the 112 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,120 essential knowledge you need in order to get that, you know, get 113 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,320 your painting skills to the level where it's achievable. 114 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,520 So that's How I Met Mark and Mark's, yeah, like I said, he's 115 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:18,720 a big part of the Bedroom Battlefields Discord he runs. 116 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:20,120 And I'm going to forget what it's called. 117 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,760 The Royal Orc, I think it's called. 118 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:28,720 And that's like a group of people getting together during 119 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,960 the hours of the evening and painting and chatting and 120 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:34,600 there's like questions and stuff he does. 121 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,480 So if you're, if you're interested, I'll leave a Discord 122 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,120 link for the Bedroom Battlefields here in today's 123 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,960 episode and you can go and check it out. 124 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,000 You can also check out our Discord. 125 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,520 Our Discord also has a load of channels related to lots of 126 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,280 games in the 90s. It also has historical games. 127 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:57,920 It has things like I think battle tech, even though I don't 128 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,160 play battle tech, I think a few other guys are interested in 129 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,280 that. So we try to cover most things 130 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,760 about gaming and see what, what's hits, what's, what's a 131 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,120 hit, what's a miss kind of thing. 132 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,640 But they've got a great play locator channel so people can 133 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:18,040 find other people that they that's in their area. 134 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,400 So we had a gentleman today from Germany and he was asking 135 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,040 through our YouTube channel, you know, he's looking for people to 136 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,440 play second edition 40K with in Berlin. 137 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,960 I think it is. And yeah, so immediately he 138 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,520 contacted a few people in our Discord channel about that. 139 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,600 So that's great. I'm really happy that we're 140 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,159 making connections that way and getting people together to play 141 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:41,679 games and meet up and and enjoy their hobby together. 142 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:42,960 So that's the main aim, isn't it? 143 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:51,720 So now in other news, the big one is that from our last 144 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:57,600 interview, you would have heard Scott from Black Arrow Minis in 145 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:58,880 our interview together in our chat. 146 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,840 And Scott emailed me later or messaged me later to say he went 147 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,280 to my Patreon and he saw that we had I had put up there some 148 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,800 sponsor sponsor tears. If you want to become a sponsor 149 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,880 of the channel as I really wanted someone that was, you 150 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,920 know, affiliated with gaming or in our sort of, you know, our 151 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:24,520 Nisha the hobby, so to speak. So he proposed and offered that 152 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,440 if he was the right match, you know, would, would I would be, 153 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,240 would I be interested? And I said, yeah, that's, that 154 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,800 sounds fine. Scott's a really nice guy and 155 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,360 we've had a quite a few sort of paint chat sessions through the 156 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,920 week. And yeah, I'm really happy and 157 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,440 very glad that Scott approached me about that. 158 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,760 I'm glad to make this association in collaboration 159 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,760 with him. And he runs a great little site. 160 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,120 I've actually ordered some stuff this week from him because I 161 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,960 just noticed that he had a lot of epic Space Marine stuff that 162 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,320 were quite rare. And I've been thinking maybe 163 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,800 I'll never get these models. And then I saw them on there. 164 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,760 I thought, I've got to get them so desperately, you know, 165 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,600 reached out to Scott. Put those aside. 166 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:04,720 I'll pay you straight away, mate. 167 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:09,960 You know, So yeah, he's, he's, he's got quite a large 168 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,840 collection of rare and collectible miniatures that I 169 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:19,080 think would be a great service to you guys, especially now if 170 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,240 you're in the US, you're in the great, in a great place because 171 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,680 that's where he's located. But if you're overseas, well, if 172 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:29,640 you spend $199, it's international shipping free, 173 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,280 which I think is a really good deal. 174 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:34,880 So, but anything just just going to have a look, just going to 175 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,360 check out what he's got. He's got, you know, one of the 176 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,040 fantasy ranges covering all the different races and factions, 177 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:46,440 40K the same mod, some, you know, more modern to really old 178 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:47,880 stuff. It's sort of, you know, this 179 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,840 layers of different ranges covering different years, 180 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,840 different eras, different editions. 181 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,920 And but most of it, most of it's all LED and and, and it's all 182 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:01,200 LED as well. You know, think of ranges like 183 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:04,120 Grenadier, for instance. That's on there as well. 184 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,120 Like I said, ton of epic stuff on there and he's uploading 185 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,640 stuff all the time. So it's going to be continual 186 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,160 kind of progress of just getting things photographed, catalogued 187 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:18,280 and then uploaded into the the website. 188 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,080 So he's got stuff like Battlefield Gothic, he's got, 189 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,960 let's see what else. He's got historical ranges on 190 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,120 there as well, not so much, but he's got some there. 191 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,080 So he tries to cater, caters and you know, tries to tries to 192 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,280 cover all aspects of war gaming for miniatures and that's his 193 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,480 passion. So, but if you can't find 194 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,040 something and you think, well, maybe Scott's got it sitting in 195 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:50,080 a tub, you know, or on a list of in his catalogue there, then you 196 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,360 can always contact him. I'll leave an e-mail down, 197 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:53,920 e-mail address down for him as well. 198 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,800 You can you can e-mail him to ask him. 199 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,320 I know he's got a slew of dwarves, a whole pile of those, 200 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,440 a lot of Marauder stuff on there as well, but he's going to 201 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,880 slowly put up there. He's got a tonne of beautiful 202 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:12,560 Perry Empire models there as well, which is very tempting. 203 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,040 So yeah, so it's really nice to see a lot of that stuff on 204 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:20,160 there. And it's cheaper than eBay, so 205 00:12:20,680 --> 00:12:25,880 that's another incentive. So that's Black Arrow Minis. 206 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:31,560 So www.blackarrowminis.com and I'll leave a link in the show 207 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:33,120 notes. You can go down there and you 208 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,560 can find Scott's e-mail address if you want to e-mail him about 209 00:12:35,560 --> 00:12:40,160 something, a query or maybe a deal of, you know, if you get so 210 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,480 much stuff, maybe he can give you a discount or something like 211 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,400 that, whatever. But I'm very, very happy that 212 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,680 Scott's jumped on. He's a great guy and I'm really 213 00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:50,800 happy that he's associated with the Crown of Command. 214 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,160 So that's, that's one of the news topics I wanted to share 215 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,680 with you today. Apart from that, I'm doing a 216 00:12:58,680 --> 00:13:02,280 let's see every day I'm uploading something to my 217 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,600 Patreon. It's it's totally free. 218 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,160 Everybody can access it. It's audio video content. 219 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,400 It could be me doing a splatter natter. 220 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,000 A splatter natter is basically me painting and talking rubbish 221 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:14,600 or whatever. I don't know, talking about 222 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:19,840 something hobby related or just socially related, whatever, and 223 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:24,880 just painting miniatures. I came to a point where I just 224 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,640 wasn't satisfied doing painting tutorials for videos. 225 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,760 I just just didn't find them fun. 226 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,920 I just didn't find find something that I just didn't 227 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,160 find those things. Something that was really engage 228 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,400 with doing. I think there are a load of 229 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,920 other people's there's, there's hundreds, if not thousands of 230 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,840 people doing that online already on YouTube. 231 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:50,920 And I think they do a great job. So shout out to Deetz at Anvil 232 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,920 of Doom, Ozzy mate down in in Cairns. 233 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:58,920 I think he was in, in Australia. He does fantastic work in terms 234 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,800 of if you want like 90s miniatures painted very, very 235 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:04,680 well. Deetz does a fantastic job 236 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,960 entertaining, engaging videos and I think you know those him 237 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,040 and, and there are others as well and I'm sure you know them 238 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,080 better than I do. I don't personally watch a lot 239 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:19,120 of painting videos. I, I tend to watch gaming 240 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,160 related stuff where people are playing games and that kind of 241 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,360 thing. That's my kind of entertainment 242 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,200 nation. That's where what I do on my 243 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,520 YouTube channel, I, I make battle reports. 244 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,840 That's my, that's my cup of tea. That's my Forte really. 245 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,960 And and I also do these White Dwarf magazines and and that 246 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,200 kind of stuff that's I found my niche of where I should be. 247 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,520 So the splatter natters and painting tutorials will cover 248 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,280 all of the other painting stuff needs that people want 249 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:55,640 specifically or just generally. So that's again that you can go 250 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,200 down to the link in the show notes. 251 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,560 Check that out. Again, it's all free, nothing 252 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,280 behind the pay wall. So don't worry, you can go in 253 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:04,880 there, watch and most of it's for free anyway. 254 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,440 Most of the stuff I post up there for free. 255 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,840 So anybody can watch it and anybody can engage with it. 256 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:13,720 So I sort of wanted to keep that like an open platform because 257 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,360 yeah, it's a great place to be. There's no ads, you know, 258 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,840 there's, there's no, no bollocks like that. 259 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:23,120 So it's, it's, it's just the creator making something that 260 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,440 they want to do and share with their their patrons and 261 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,640 followers. So if you haven't seen that or 262 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,680 go and be entertained for 25 days until Christmas. 263 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,680 And I hope there's something there that you will enjoy. 264 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,480 But for that, I think we're just going to leave it there for now. 265 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:44,280 And thank you so much again for tuning in to so many of the 266 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:45,840 Crown of Command podcast this year. 267 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:47,920 There is some great stuff on the way. 268 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,240 There's some more deep dives. I know they're very popular. 269 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,360 I really enjoy listening to them. 270 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,440 I always learn something from them. 271 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,320 So there's going to be a couple of maybe two, maybe 3 that'll 272 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,920 drop probably 3 this month leading up to the to Christmas 273 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,440 anyway before we go on a bit of a break. 274 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,120 But guys, enjoy it while you can. 275 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:12,320 Take care, enjoy your hobby. Until then, take care. 276 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,360 So, Mark, thanks very much mate for offering to come on to the 277 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,400 Chronic Command Games channel and talk all about this 278 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,680 wonderful issue 153 of White Dwarf. 279 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:30,760 Yeah, thanks for having me on, Josh. 280 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,360 It's this was the first White Dwarf that I ever bought myself. 281 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,960 It wasn't the first one I read because friends of mine were 282 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,800 buying it before me for about a year or so before me and some of 283 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,320 their older brothers had got copies back copies. 284 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,960 So I'd seen plenty. But this was the first issue 285 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,760 that I think I bought myself, and the main reason for it is 286 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,360 because this is the issue that was launching the 4th edition 287 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,840 box for Warhammer. So friends of mine had got the 288 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,800 third edition rules and I was kind of getting interested in 289 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,280 collecting things and I hadn't really bought anything at this 290 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,280 stage. It was all sort of just ideas 291 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,359 simmering around in my mind. And then when this issue 292 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,119 launched. So this is a September 1992 293 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,640 issue, so I would have bought this probably in the August. 294 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:14,960 They normally release me a couple of weeks before the month 295 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,079 that they're named after. I would have bought this in the 296 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:20,800 summer holidays after I finished the first year of secondary 297 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,960 school, around about my 12th birthday in August. 298 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,280 So I will have bought this in WH Smith's in town, I would have 299 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,360 thought, and brought it back home. 300 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,120 And the great thing with this issue is in some ways it's not 301 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:35,840 necessarily a brilliant White Dwarf issue because it's quite 302 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,440 focused. But it really opened the door to 303 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,920 me to what this new Warhammer was going to be because I'd 304 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,600 played a couple of games, a third edition, you know, 305 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,080 probably not by the full rules with my friend and his older 306 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,840 brother. But just seeing that there's 307 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,400 going to be this new boxed version that, you know, looked 308 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,640 to me like Hero Quest. It looked like one of the things 309 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,640 that as a 12 year old, I could get my head around and 310 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,720 understand. And I knew that there was going 311 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,320 to be miniatures with the box set. 312 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,840 This was kind of everything that I wanted to know. 313 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,400 So it was, it was more than just a magazine. 314 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,120 It felt like a catalogue that was going to kind of transport 315 00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:12,120 me into the Warhammer hobby. All right, that's wonderful 316 00:18:12,120 --> 00:18:13,760 mate. Let's let's journey on through 317 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:17,800 the magazine page. And then obviously you've got 318 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,920 that absolute fantastic front cover, which is that brilliant 319 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,000 Jeff Taylor drawing that we see on the 4th edition box. 320 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,760 And you know that. And what I loved about it is it 321 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,200 looks great on the magazine, but looks even better in that big 322 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,480 landscape on the box when you see it and what what you see. 323 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:38,080 I remember this very vividly, the night goblins picture at the 324 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,360 top left corner on the inner inner left there, because it's 325 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:44,000 just something so iconic about the way that the night Goblins 326 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,480 looked. And it's almost like that image 327 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:51,280 kind of burnt into my mind for years afterwards, although I 328 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,360 never bought any night goblin has never had any. 329 00:18:53,360 --> 00:18:55,920 But it was just something about how they looked in that that 330 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,920 big, that big block with the three fanatics coming out. 331 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,080 It's it's just that kind of captures that Hero Hammer era 332 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,240 for me perfectly. The aesthetic anyway, with the 333 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,240 red Spears and the and the and the black cloaks. 334 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,760 It it just and brilliantly painted as well. 335 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,240 Yeah, absolutely. I think I remembered having this 336 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:17,360 particular issue on the bus in high school and looking over all 337 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:21,400 the wonderful models as I just got into one of the 4th edition 338 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:25,120 and this this was just like you say, a wonderful catalogue of 339 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:27,520 looking looking at all the models that will be available 340 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,760 coming soon. Yeah, so I mean, if you look at 341 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:33,160 the contents page here, you see how much of the stuff is going 342 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,480 to be about High Elves, the Silver Helms, there's Mike 343 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,000 Mcveigh's Warhammer Regiments thing, There's things on there 344 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,400 about goblins. There's a, there's a, there's a 345 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,840 battle report, which is kind of a little bit weird because I can 346 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:48,000 only presume it's sort of a third edition, 4th edition kind 347 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,800 of hybrid battle report really. But it's when they're testing 348 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,320 out the Warhammer magic rules, which is quite cool actually, 349 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,800 because it doesn't go into too much of the detail about how the 350 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,840 game's actually working. It's more about what 351 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,640 possibilities there are for the magic system, which as we know 352 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,920 when it came out was really quite a major part of what made 353 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,880 4th edition so brilliant is having this magic system that's 354 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,840 just so. Kind of comprehensive and works 355 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,000 in its own right, and this is them playing around with it. 356 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,920 There's some really good content in here. 357 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,720 I think on the next page where it's got the news, there's a 358 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,880 really cool thing that I just noticed when I was looking back 359 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:26,880 through this, and it's just a very subtle, very casual 360 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,920 Systelle miniature news column. There's about 50 words. 361 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:31,200 It just says they've been very busy. 362 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,080 Jess Goodwin's been sculpting a whole series of elves. 363 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:36,520 The model shown here is a high elf wizard. 364 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:39,960 That's all it says one of the best models ever made, just very 365 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,720 casually. Oh, here's a wizard and you'll 366 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:43,880 be able to buy that soon. And here's some mighty empires 367 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,960 things as well. Below that, it's just like they 368 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:51,200 snuck in probably the best model release in just the most casual, 369 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,880 understated way, whereas now there'd be like a grand 370 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,920 unveiling on the stage. And it's just, it's just crazy 371 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,560 to think that that that Techlist model that is I, in my view, 372 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,920 probably the best fantasy miniature ever made. 373 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,080 It was just sort of subtly kind of just put out there as just a 374 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:13,680 generic wizard. Yeah, I think him and Tyrion 375 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,000 were two of my favourite models ever. 376 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,480 Yeah, they're just stunning, aren't they? 377 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,800 I really hope that they do do the made to order and put those 378 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:27,320 out to us because I haven't got either of mine and I'd love to 379 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,280 pick up a new copy of them at a better price than you can pay on 380 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,640 eBay, certainly. Yeah, mate, yeah, for sure, 381 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,160 absolutely. I hope so for you anyway mate. 382 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,800 It'd be lovely to see that. So it's, it's just cool, you've 383 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,160 got the all the little things in there. 384 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,640 Oh, it's sort of strange how you get like the vouchers in there, 385 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,480 like Toronto store 10% off and 15% off. 386 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,880 And there's a there's an advert for a store in Madrid and you 387 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,360 just think they weren't at this point doing any kind of 388 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:54,400 regionalisation. So, you know, you're picking up 389 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,080 the magazine in Australia, I'm picking it up in the UK thinking 390 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,280 we're never going to go to Madrid or Toronto, but nice to 391 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,640 know that there's something there for you if you if you 392 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,320 were, if you were living in those parts. 393 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,720 Yep, absolutely lucky buggers got a nice discount. 394 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,600 Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, they they stopped doing 395 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,200 that for, for, well, I don't know how long, but you know, in 396 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:20,960 the 90s I can remember them doing discounts or buy, buy 2, 397 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:24,120 get one free. But yeah, today's are long gone 398 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:26,840 now. Yeah, I think that, you know, 399 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,480 it's just something like those little tokens and just taking 400 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,840 them in it. I don't remember actually ever 401 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,280 doing it, but some of them were quite good. 402 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,920 Whereas if you bought like two big boxes, you get like a whole 403 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,600 third box for free, you know, involves shelling out quite a 404 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,520 bit of cash, but you can get a big old saving. 405 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,240 Yeah, definitely very cool. And. 406 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:50,160 Then kind of go into this 40K World Eaters article and I 407 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:55,160 remember at the time looking at this and being completely 408 00:22:55,160 --> 00:23:00,160 confused what this might be. So I played hero quest. 409 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:05,200 I'd had a hero quest. I had I'd played Warhammer at my 410 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,040 friend's house. And all I knew is that there was 411 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,240 a sort of science fiction version of Warhammer called 412 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,240 Warhammer 40,000. And then looking at this, it 413 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,040 just, it just, it just seemed completely different to anything 414 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,560 that you might have seen on TV, whether that's, you know, Star 415 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:24,520 Trek or or Star Wars or Blake 7 or something like that. 416 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,440 This was like a sci-fi world to a 12 year old. 417 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,360 That was just like, what the hell is this? 418 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:32,160 This is absolutely crazy, especially when you kind of go 419 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,920 to the next page and they've got their the blood slaughter, a 420 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,520 demonic robot of corn. And it's a guy who's got kind of 421 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,200 a it almost looks like a old fashioned cannon with a robot on 422 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,240 the top. And it's just really crazy 423 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,600 stuff. And I remember just looking at 424 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,920 it as a kid and just completely and utterly confused as to what 425 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,720 was going on, but amazed by it as well at the same time, 426 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,600 entranced by it. But I had no idea whatsoever 427 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,440 what all this really meant. And all the rules seemed so 428 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,120 complicated compared to what I'd really seen up to that point. 429 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:05,080 Because I think even when I played a couple of games, the 430 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,840 3rd edition, it was with my friend's brother who was very 431 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,800 much guiding us through it all, really. 432 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,800 And we, oh, roll, roll 4 dice. Oh, OK. 433 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,480 And then, oh, how many fives did you get? 434 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,280 Oh, I got that many. And so you didn't really 435 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,760 understand the rules. He was kind of games mastering 436 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:19,840 it. And he really enjoyed that 437 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,000 because he was a few years older. 438 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,360 But yeah, this, this whole stuff, it's great looking back 439 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:26,000 at it now. But I just remember looking and 440 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,120 thinking, right, this is cool, but I've no idea what any of 441 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:30,520 this means. It was like looking at a 442 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,800 chemistry book. I bet there's a Bloodstone that. 443 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,400 That that template there as well is fantastic. 444 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,920 It's just, it's just the kind of thing that's it looks totally 445 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,000 like it's out of a really dry historical war gaming set of 446 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,280 rules for like a, you know, the tank in 1940 or something. 447 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,120 And it's just got this crazy thing on it. 448 00:24:52,120 --> 00:24:55,120 So it's kind of this really weird combination of this really 449 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:59,040 detailed approach, but with something absolutely mad going 450 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,120 on, which is kind of cool. And then we've got these squat 451 00:25:02,120 --> 00:25:04,720 war machines again. I don't think I even knew that 452 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,560 Epic existed at this point, or maybe I did. 453 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,600 But I remember looking at these, I'm thinking they were 454 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:14,400 absolutely brilliant. But I remember distinctly at 455 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,560 first looking at this and thinking that maybe this was in 456 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,360 28 mil scale and that the figures, the squats on the 457 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:25,400 picture below were were, you know, full size. 458 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,160 And then realising, oh, they can't be. 459 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,280 But I was thinking how cool it be for that squat colossus to 460 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,840 actually exist as a, as a full scale model. 461 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,160 It would be absolutely enormous, especially if it was made of 462 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,600 metal. Yeah, they're brilliant as well, 463 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,840 and beautiful colours and just so great that that just totally 464 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,320 honestly you, you know, that there's this, this complete 465 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,240 alignment of the 40K in the fantasy world. 466 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,000 It's like, you just can look at these and go, yeah, that's 467 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,520 dwarves. That's exactly what dwarves look 468 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,160 like. It doesn't it? 469 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,480 It just feels really. I know that they probably have 470 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,000 needed to define 40K as being quite different to fantasy, but 471 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,560 I think I really enjoyed the period of time where there was a 472 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,320 hell of a lot crossover and things really looked like they 473 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,880 were from the same world in a sense. 474 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,200 And I think that's why, you know, some of the Hero Hammer 475 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,120 stuff is brilliant. Now this is a place that you'll 476 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:16,320 know. So this is the grand reopening 477 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,600 of your old gaffe. My old gaffe, yeah. 478 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:20,960 Oxford. Street, Yeah. 479 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,280 Plaza, Yeah. So I, I, I went to that shop 480 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,040 once and I don't know when it would have been. 481 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:33,560 It would have been about 1994 or 1995, something like that, 482 00:26:34,120 --> 00:26:36,920 because we were down in London for the day, just doing 483 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,200 whatever. I can't remember a bit of 484 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,520 sightseeing or something. And I remember going into there, 485 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,680 but I don't remember particularly much of it. 486 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:43,960 And it's kind of blurred into one. 487 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,840 But was it upstairs in in the Plaza? 488 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,440 Yeah, right. OK. 489 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,280 And because it was like a smallish sort of modern shopping 490 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,720 centre off Oxford Street, I don't think it's even there at 491 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,480 all anymore. The Plaza at all. 492 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,280 From what? I I have no idea, mate. 493 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,080 Yeah, yeah. But it was the only, it was the 494 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,600 only central London 1 though, wasn't it? 495 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,760 Because all the others were like, you know, Hammersmith or 496 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,240 Hammersmith. Was the other one I went to and 497 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,600 that's as far as I know. I don't remember any other ones 498 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,200 apart from that. No, and there weren't very. 499 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,200 I mean, there's an advert a bit later on in the magazine back 500 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,040 which where the branches are, but I remember going to this one 501 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,400 and thinking it was going to maybe I thought it was going to 502 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,280 be like 20 times bigger than the one that I've been to before in 503 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,600 Birmingham. But of course it wasn't. 504 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,360 It was relatively similar, but it still was a really great 505 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:31,520 branch and really, really busy on the day I went in. 506 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,080 I just remember it being absolutely packed full of people 507 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,040 my age, sort of 1314 year olds, just tons of us. 508 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,520 You know, there was to the point where you couldn't really get to 509 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,040 look at stuff. You had to kind of wait for 510 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,720 people to shuffle out the way and look at things. 511 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,280 You know, I haven't, I've only been into one branch relatively 512 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,000 recently and it was, it was absolutely silent in there, very 513 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,440 different, you know, and you know, they're friendly people, 514 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,320 but it was, it just didn't have that kind of crowded buzz that 515 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,520 you get used to. That's right. 516 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:00,640 Yeah. And that's what I feel about 517 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,760 too. But the modern to the old, it 518 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,000 just doesn't have the same feeling, the same culture, 519 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,680 nothing about it. No, it's very different. 520 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:15,000 I think even even the the the sort of the fact that they were 521 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,720 very much explicitly hobby shops where you went in and you could 522 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,320 get advice and you could do things and be shown how to do 523 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,720 stuff. It was kind of, it very much 524 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,920 felt part of it all. Whereas whereas now it feels 525 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,880 like they're just a shop and you go into and if you're not 526 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,120 buying, then you really just, you know, you might as well head 527 00:28:34,120 --> 00:28:35,880 out. And it's not that they're not 528 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,720 welcoming, but it just operates like a very ordinary shop now. 529 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,160 Whereas I felt like they were really operate as a, as a space 530 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,600 that, you know, for people who are interested and not just 531 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,880 people who are into it. They were really good at taking 532 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,160 people in, going, oh, you know, you've walked past the door, you 533 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,480 saw the bright colours. Let me tell you all about it. 534 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,480 They were really good at introducing people to the whole 535 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,760 concept of war gaming and miniatures, which maybe they're 536 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,760 just sort of lack that a bit now and they they they're just 537 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,480 maintaining that High Street presence. 538 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:07,400 Well, the next page is the is the Warhammer gaming fantasy 539 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,600 battles advert and then we go into the the advert for it all, 540 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,480 which looks fantastic, some brilliantly painted models. 541 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,000 Interestingly, like, I mean, they've got loads of empire 542 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:25,040 stuff out there, but and and just elves, those generic elves 543 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,560 that like, you know, very kind of third editiony. 544 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,560 But what's interesting is they've they've lined all the 545 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,680 pictures up and everything's kind of more in not quite a 546 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:39,800 skirmish formation, but sort of offset and all raggedy blocks, 547 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,640 which looks really cool, But it's not something that you're 548 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,240 used to seeing really in White Dwarf as a sort of photography 549 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,960 style. They generally used to try and 550 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,840 show it looking as good as possible but still set up for 551 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,720 actual play, whereas this is a little bit of a different 552 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:57,560 approach. But still. 553 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,720 I remember looking at it and just thinking, Oh my God, if 554 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,680 this is if this is what you can do if you buy this box, then I'm 555 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,080 in. It just looks absolutely 556 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,640 gorgeous and I mean the paint jobs on these are just stunning 557 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,440 as well. I can see why they chose so many 558 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,840 empire models to go in. I mean, I presume they had a lot 559 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,480 of them, but also just just the colours are just absolutely 560 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,560 stunning. And this is kind of, you know, 561 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,360 this is only just the launch of 4th edition, but this is very 562 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,080 4th edition in colour and in tone and in style. 563 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,960 And it kind of shows, doesn't it, that even towards the end of 564 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,440 third, you know, the steam tank was coming out, the war wagon 565 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,760 was coming out, things in the Empire range were becoming that 566 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:41,560 more bright balls spectacular kind of look and feel and it and 567 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,160 it's just really cool how they've done it. 568 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,880 But yeah, that's really nice. And if you go to the next page, 569 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,280 then you you get the the box content and, and really sort of 570 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,000 crossed my mind, but 104 plastic miniatures, you know, that's a 571 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,400 lot of miniatures. And I remember this box set was 572 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,120 30 lbs when it came out. And that's what I paid for it. 573 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,480 What what was paid for it? I had it for Christmas that year 574 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,080 and it was 30 lbs. And you know, even in today's 575 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,840 money with inflation adjusted, that's still a really brilliant 576 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,760 price. I've sort of gone back and 577 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,720 looked at other things. At the time, if you wanted to 578 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,080 buy a copy of Monopoly or Risk or Pluto or something like that, 579 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,600 you know, you would have paid 20 or 15 then this was not 580 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,240 significantly more money than a couple of Reg. 581 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,280 There was a price of two very ordinary board games and the 582 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,480 kind of board games that now would set you back £20 each or 583 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,640 something, you know, and yet a starter set with 104 plastic 584 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,760 miniatures, if you were to get such a thing, you know, Games 585 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,320 Workshop would probably charge you £250 or something nowadays. 586 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,600 And it just means that the whole group of teenagers and who are 587 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,960 buying this, who are getting it for Christmas, just wouldn't 588 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,000 have done so because you would have gone, oh, it looks quite 589 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,560 good, but Oh no, it's too much money, move on. 590 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,280 I think they really got that entry point right. 591 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,120 You know, the amount of stuff you got in that box as well, all 592 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,240 the cards or the rules or the templates. 593 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,760 It was just jam packed and just everything looks spectacular. 594 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,800 I, I don't imagine they made a huge amount of money on each 595 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,200 unit they sold. They will have made their money 596 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,760 further down the line when when people actually wanted to buy 597 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:20,240 more stuff to go alongside with what they had, I'm sure. 598 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,160 But yeah, no, they've done a really good job on it. 599 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,960 One thing that's really interesting is in the bottom 600 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,480 left corner there you've got the future Warhammer releases. 601 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,320 I mean, they've been quite bold saying what? 602 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,800 What's coming out? So Warhammer magic was like the 603 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,760 first thing to come out, but then they're saying Warhammer 604 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,800 army books, everything you need to know. 605 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,760 They include full army lists, background histories. 606 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,600 The first book is about the armies of the Empire, released 607 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,280 in the fall of 1992, which is strange because there's an 608 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,480 autumn in the paragraph above. More army lists will follow, 609 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,880 with the following books planned for release before the summer of 610 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,360 93. The orcs rather than orcs and 611 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,000 goblins, Britannia, the high Elves, and there's orcs. 612 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,720 And of course, we never got the Britannia book in 4th edition, 613 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:01,120 so they evidently were planning on Britannia being an important 614 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,440 race that they were going their support, but it never came until 615 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,840 the 5th edition. I don't quite know why, but you 616 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,800 know, they obviously just felt that there was just other things 617 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:14,120 to move onto. And how those decisions happened 618 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,640 at the time, I don't know. But maybe they just sold so much 619 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,840 Empire stuff, they were pretty happy with that and they just 620 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,880 wanted to kind of crack on with other things or who knows why. 621 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,960 But yeah, there's certainly, it's it's certainly not the 622 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,880 first time that what that Games Workshop have been very explicit 623 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,840 in saying exactly what they're going to release. 624 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,240 I mean, the Realm of Chaos books is the classic 1, isn't it, 625 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,520 where they were saying they were going to release it and it took 626 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:40,520 about seven years or something like that and and Rogue Trader 627 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,640 and all these kind of things. So, but I don't imagine they 628 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,920 would ever do that in a million years now promised what they 629 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,120 were exactly going to do unless they knew for definitely it was 630 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,720 going to happen. But yeah, there may have been 631 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,480 some disappointed Brutonian players from 3rd edition who 632 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,840 were getting very excited that their book was going to be the 633 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,520 the third one coming and it never appeared. 634 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,720 Yeah, that's interesting, isn't it? 635 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,640 I just noticed that myself, actually, Mark. 636 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,680 Yeah, I just read that and thought, oh, York's Brutonium. 637 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,280 So yeah, it's interesting. Maybe the models they just 638 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,360 didn't have time or schedule in for them to be reproduced in. 639 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,080 Yeah. Because they were pretty much 640 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,360 historical models anyway when you look at them, and they're 641 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,719 pretty ordinary in most cases. Yeah. 642 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,679 So. The, the Empire and the 643 00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,880 Britannian stuff just rarely felt very similar in 1st to 3rd 644 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,199 edition, I think. And I think that that idea of 645 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,840 oh, well, what's it going to be? And maybe it was just a case of 646 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,239 there's still very much at the time when you're like, OK, who's 647 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,040 who? Who does elves, right? 648 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,280 Get Jessica when he's going to do the elves. 649 00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,120 Kev Adams, he's doing the orcs, the Peris, they can do the 650 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,760 Empire. You know, it would have been 651 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,639 that kind of real sense of rather than just the design 652 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:50,560 studio needs to get all this stuff done. 653 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,440 There will have been a sense of, well, if the Peris aren't yet 654 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,199 ready to come up with an idea for what Britannia is going to 655 00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,160 look like and sculpt all those models, then maybe you don't do 656 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,640 it yet. And perhaps as well, they 657 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,800 recognise as they were making the Empire so, so kind of 658 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,000 exaggerating and different to his historical counterpart that 659 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,240 they really needed to do a kind of spectacular version for Brit 660 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,720 Britannia. Britannia needed to look like it 661 00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:16,960 did when it came out. This kind of over the top nights 662 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,920 thing, you know, that they really kind of lent into a very 663 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,360 sort of bright and interesting aesthetic, but they kind of 664 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,000 needed to get that ready. I don't know, but it's be 665 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,400 fascinating to see if someone who was there at the time knows 666 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:30,680 that history of why things like that got dropped. 667 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,440 But I'm sure that a lot of it just disappears into into 668 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,680 forgotten memories. Then we've got an advert on the 669 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,520 right for the the Wraith album, Danger Calling, with those 670 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,200 pretty cool looking guys there, their bare chests and their 671 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,040 leather. Yeah, very much Spinal Tap 672 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,320 inspired. Yeah, and I love the fact that 673 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,160 there's just an absolutely massive picture of the Chaos 674 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,440 Space Marine and then just a little picture of them. 675 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,720 It's just they must have opened it up going, oh, we're going to 676 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:01,320 be in the magazine. And it was like, oh, there's our 677 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,720 picture. This is the bottom left corner. 678 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:05,760 They've shoved the stand there. But they look pretty cool, those 679 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,160 guys. I think that that that crossover 680 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,120 between like metal and and Games Workshop was always really 681 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,960 noticeable. It was something I'm never into 682 00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,600 metal, but I but like whenever you went into a game for a shop 683 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:18,720 shop or you went to something and there's people there, 684 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,400 there's always been a lot of a lot of metalheads wherever you 685 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:25,640 went and there really is that crossover. 686 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,600 I think Brian was probably pretty instrumental in deciding 687 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:34,000 that because of his love of that kind of all things spiky and 688 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,800 chaotic. Then we've got dwarf rune 689 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:42,480 weapons by Nigel Stillman. So this is kind of rune rules in 690 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:47,520 great detail for the next, you know, number of pages, but it's 691 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,880 presumably kind of legacy 3rd edition dwarf ring rules. 692 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,120 I haven't really read it in detail. 693 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,160 I don't really fully and know all the the 4th edition green 694 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,680 rules and where what what's similar and what's different. 695 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:03,360 But yeah, I can only presume that there's an element of 696 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,240 things that were carried across and brought into the 4th edition 697 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:08,440 book because that will have come out not very long after this. 698 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,600 But it's pretty comprehensive and all sorts of things on 699 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,760 there. But as to exactly how whether it 700 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,640 all works fully in 4th edition and or not, or whether you have 701 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:19,520 to do a bit of adjustment, I'm not really sure. 702 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:24,720 But classic sort of Nigel Stillman, very detailed kind of 703 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:28,200 approach to something. But I remember if, if anything, 704 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,600 just thinking it was really cool that things like this could 705 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,280 exist. Just I think that's one of the 706 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,640 things that's great with Warhammer. 707 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,960 And I know it's a complicated game and I know that there can 708 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,840 be a lot of rules and you can get bogged down in a lot of 709 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,480 special rules, but it really does add to a lot of the 710 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:43,800 flavour. And I think that that 711 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,960 role-playing background to the design really comes out with 712 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,200 something like this. But yeah, if you were trying to 713 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,400 do this with hundreds of units and every unit had got a 714 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,400 different set of combination of rooms, you'd get very 715 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,000 complicated very quickly, I'm sure. 716 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,360 But cool stuff, though, that question of the month for you in 717 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,720 December is tell us about your 2024 Hobby Highlights. 718 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,960 Maybe you finally got that miniature you've wanted since 719 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,480 1991. Maybe you leveled up your 720 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,000 painting or finally finished that army. 721 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,320 Or perhaps it was something on the game in front that stood out 722 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,600 to you most. No matter what your 2024 Hobby 723 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,760 highlights were, we'd love to hear them head on over to 724 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,520 bedroombattlefields.com/voicemail to submit. 725 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,160 And I need them in by Monday the 30th of December. 726 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,040 That's bedroom battlefields.com/voicemail. 727 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,000 And now back to the show. Just really nice looking. 728 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,800 And then if we go on through that, then you get to a nice 729 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:51,640 heavy metal section, which is very much focused on the on the 730 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,560 Spearman and the arches from the box set. 731 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,880 Remember being a tiny bit bit disappointed that they showed 732 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,240 the command models, because I think I thought that you'd get 733 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:06,560 those in the box because I remember I remember the 734 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,560 regimental champion with the sword and the antler things and 735 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,280 thinking, Oh, that's really cool. 736 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,520 Really want to get that model. But of course, I think that they 737 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,160 would presumably a blister Packers with the Archer command 738 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,600 to go alongside with what you got in the box set. 739 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:20,880 But either way, you still got them. 740 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,360 I mean, the plastics still hold up fantastically well, don't 741 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,000 they? They monopos, Archers and 742 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,880 Spearman. I think because they're elves 743 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,480 and they're you imagine that they would stand neatly in the 744 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,440 line and be all disciplined. Then they look even better than 745 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,840 the goblins in my opinion, because I think they just, it, 746 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,800 it feels right that they all look the same. 747 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,160 And just seeing these, you know, just classic gobbling green 748 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:46,520 bases, the blue sky backgrounds. And but I mean, the paint jobs 749 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,840 on them are still absolutely wonderful. 750 00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,080 And I love the fact that you got the you got the banners that you 751 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,280 could cut out as well, remember? But I remember not cutting them 752 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,920 out because I don't want to ruin my magazine, which I'm sure a 753 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,640 lot of people did as well. They didn't. 754 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,280 They're probably like, oh, it's great that you get them, but I 755 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,400 don't actually want to cut anything out of my magazine. 756 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,360 So, but yeah, brilliant, brilliant models just. 757 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,480 I think they still hold up today. 758 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,320 I think that they look absolutely fantastic. 759 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,360 They're 30 years old, but but 32 years old, they don't look it at 760 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,040 all. Yep. 761 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,520 Not at all mate. I still love them, I think 762 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:23,280 they're still beautiful and glad to have painted them now. 763 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,160 And if you consider at the time in 1992 when these came out, 764 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,560 models that were 32 years old then would have come out in 765 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,280 1960. I can only imagine what 766 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,320 miniatures like were like in 1960. 767 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,600 The few that existed, they would have been very rough around the 768 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,680 edges. I mean, these are, it is a top 769 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,080 drawer and it just shows that how ahead of their time, yes, 770 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,520 the studio was operating. Very much so, mate. 771 00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:49,000 Yeah, absolutely. And over the page, you've got 772 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,760 some real detail about how to I used to really like articles 773 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,960 like this with a sort of long form, you know, Mike, where they 774 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,680 sat down and written, you know, a good 1000 words or so on on 775 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,880 this. It's it's not just it's not just 776 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:05,160 quick. I'll here's some captions. 777 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:06,640 Here's some stuff. Shove it in a magazine. 778 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,560 It was you could sit and read this magazine, you could sit and 779 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,040 read White Dwarf like a book and I always really enjoyed that. 780 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,440 I felt like it was good value as a magazine as a result. 781 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:20,480 And then and then the next page after that was the first unit 782 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,680 that I bought after buying the the box that I remember got a 783 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,560 bit of Christmas money. So I got the box set for 784 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,080 Christmas. I had a bit of Christmas money 785 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,440 and I went into Birmingham probably a couple of days after 786 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,880 Christmas. I bought the silver Helms box 787 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,800 and I never did paint them absolutely fully. 788 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,080 I don't really know why. I was think I was too 789 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,160 intimidated and this picture is partly to blame. 790 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,120 So for as wonderful as these heavy metal pages are, there is 791 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,960 something when you're 12, when you look at it, you can just 792 00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,920 feel a little bit like like, I don't know if I can if I can do 793 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,520 it that well. And I remember that being being 794 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,360 a bit caught in that paralysis of being overwhelmed by what 795 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,360 someone else could do. And because I didn't have any 796 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,720 friends who were collecting high holes. 797 00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:08,040 Whereas if I had have done and I'd seen theirs and gone, Oh 798 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,360 yeah, they're cool, they're good. 799 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,360 I would have been able to aspire to maybe that level rather than 800 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,320 Mike's level, which was a little bit overwhelming. 801 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,840 This is the Orkin squat Warlords supplement for space Marine. 802 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,200 Like I said before, I wasn't really quite that sure what 803 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,680 Space Marine was. Interestingly, they, they use 804 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,840 the phrase epic in a sort of way to describe the scale. 805 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,200 Still at this point they're describing, they're calling the 806 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,200 game Space Marine and they've just got that little thing down 807 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,080 in the bottom corner that epic battles. 808 00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,000 You know, it's just, it's just like, oh, this is just a type of 809 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,000 gaming or a, or an approach with a different scale, which I think 810 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,720 is cool, but it's strange because I think that a lot of 811 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:51,040 people would use the word epic now, but if you said Space 812 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,080 Marine to them, maybe they wouldn't necessarily know that 813 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,600 you meant that second edition epic and so on. 814 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,400 But either way, it was something that I always kind of never 815 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,960 bought anything for it, but I always thought it always looked 816 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,120 at it from afar as being something very cool. 817 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,000 I think it's because none of my friends were particularly 818 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,960 playing any of it. It was all very much fantasy 819 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,480 battles that we were all playing for that time that was in the 820 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,440 hobby, which was probably, you know, certainly from Warhammer, 821 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,160 it would feel like 92 to about 94, So not very long. 822 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,440 But yeah, that it was. It was just that high off army 823 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,960 that I had really this night goblin article, though, it's 824 00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,800 over the next few pages. This is this tempted me. 825 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,040 I this was this was very much what I was thinking. 826 00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,720 You know what night goblins that if I buy the box set, I could 827 00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:38,080 have a night goblin army using the goblins from it as well as a 828 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,920 high off army. But funds as a as a person with 829 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,240 only a paper round just didn't allow for it. 830 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,200 And I think I was conscious as well of the huge volume of 831 00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:49,800 bottles that you needed to collect. 832 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,520 I mean, if you go on to the next page and you just see a kind of, 833 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,800 you know, there's a Spearman unit there. 834 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,360 I don't know how many are in that 40 or something. 835 00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,480 You know, it's a pretty big units and you know, there's 836 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,160 plastics in there. But if you were looking at the 837 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,160 night goblins, you'd be looking at metals at the time, which I 838 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,000 don't know how much money they would have been, but it still 839 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,040 would have tottered up to a good old amount of cash. 840 00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,080 But it was something about the night goblins. 841 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,240 They definitely looked. I mean, I like the I like the 842 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,720 the the goblins Spearman, but I think the night goblins, I'm 843 00:44:19,720 --> 00:44:22,120 sure you'd agree as a night goblin and aficionado, there's 844 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,600 just they're just a cut above. There's just something about 845 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,560 them that's even more definitively Warhammery. 846 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,600 They're just really beautiful models. 847 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,760 They're full of character. I like how they look funny and 848 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,320 evil at the same time. They're just they're just the 849 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,160 exact right balance. And then we've got some rules in 850 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,400 there for for night goblins and how they work. 851 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,400 I don't know if this is the first point that Night Goblins 852 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,120 were sort of officially introduced as a as a thing, 853 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:49,720 because I don't think 3rd edition's got Night Goblins as 854 00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:53,920 such as far as I'm aware. But yeah, they certainly have 855 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,880 stuck around and they've become a real fan favorite, haven't 856 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,200 they? Night Goblins over the years. 857 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,120 Absolutely. Yeah, I think they, I think they 858 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,680 were in 3rd edition actually. OK. 859 00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:08,040 They are sort of a, a more what I like about, I think the stuff 860 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,920 that works best in Warhammer is the stuff where it's not so much 861 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,200 generic fantasy. It's something that they've come 862 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,560 up with themselves where there's an element of, oh, OK, that's a 863 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:20,240 really cool thing. Whether that's dwarf slayers or 864 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:22,720 whether it's the Empire looking the way they do and having all 865 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:25,840 the kind of unusual things or it's the Scaven, whatever it 866 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,720 might be, it's those things are always really iconic, I think. 867 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,520 So we can go into, there's a page with the with the stores 868 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:33,920 there. There's not many stores at this 869 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,320 point, but I imagine there's there's not many more nowadays 870 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,600 days actually, to be honest. I imagine they've contracted 871 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,560 back to having not very many, but yeah, just a sort of a 872 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,040 handful really. But, you know, they were all 873 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,880 spaced out and there's one that you can get to wherever you live 874 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,160 really. That was, they were very 875 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,160 strategic about it. Then you've got this brilliant 876 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,800 battle report from Nigel Stillman. 877 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,080 It's just unusual. They're testing out the magic. 878 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,200 They've got these. They've got quite cool scenario. 879 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,040 They're using Brutonians, which has, we know, you know, weren't 880 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,480 really a 4th edition thing, but there's there's still featuring 881 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,080 them heavily here, which suggests that they really were 882 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:12,360 thinking that they were going to be coming out soon and some 883 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,560 beautiful dwarves there. But there's also like a, a 884 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,440 Kislev scout as a single character and there's a wood elf 885 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,000 scout in with the Britonians. That's quite a cool little 886 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,080 thing. They've got this interesting 887 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,920 scenario where there's a, there's like a tomb and there's 888 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,160 undead that come out the tomb and they've got to protect 889 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,880 different things. It, it feels, it feels very much 890 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,160 like the kind of game that I like to play these days where 891 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,280 there's a really good story to be told rather than just a pitch 892 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,680 battle. And it feels like it's, even 893 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,480 though 4th edition probably was the start of things being more 894 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,840 simplified, straightforward, able to kind of turn up and 895 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,560 play. Don't need the games master, 896 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,240 don't need this. You know, the beginning of what 897 00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:59,440 became the sort of tournament scene perhaps for for Warhammer. 898 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,560 I know that probably kicked off most around 6th edition perhaps. 899 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,680 But either way, 4th edition probably was the point where it 900 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,640 became a more straightforward product and less complex. 901 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,480 But they're still leaning into the oh, the best way to play, 902 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,880 and this is probably Nigel Stillman all over, really. 903 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,880 But the best way to play is to to tell an interesting story. 904 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,920 I remember looking at this, reading through it several times 905 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,960 and, and it just being really exciting at how it's told as a 906 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,840 really cool story rather than kind of going through the 907 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,000 individual dice rolls. It wasn't really a rules based 908 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,840 battle report. It's very much a narrative 1. 909 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,480 And you know, and the maps as well really appeal to me. 910 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,320 We still do. It's just something about maps 911 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,240 in fantasy books in, in things and whatever it is, if there's a 912 00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:49,440 map in it, I'm always interested and drawn to it. 913 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,240 And it just looks fantastic. The backdrops, the trees, the 914 00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:57,280 hills, just everything looks absolutely perfect. 915 00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,440 You know, this is this, this really sums up the kind of 916 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,600 experience of Warhammer that I, I want to have. 917 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,640 You know, it just feels like all of the fun and all of the 918 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:12,400 enjoyment that you can get from it, but none of the none of the 919 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:17,200 kind of balance issues or who's got the better side or, or is 920 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,560 that fair or isn't it fair? It's kind of a lot more based 921 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,360 around a storytelling experiences. 922 00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,240 It's really cool. I like as well how it goes on 923 00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:27,360 for about 10 or 12 pages. You know, it's a it's it's 924 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,680 really is the kind of flagship article in this magazine. 925 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,120 And that's how it should be. I think that battle reports 926 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,200 should be the main thing that you get in a white door, 927 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,080 something that you can really understand what went on and 928 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:41,760 really read it back multiple times. 929 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,680 And yeah, stacks up as a really cool short story as well. 930 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,400 It's it's great. It's really well done. 931 00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,840 It's just from every picture, every everything is just it just 932 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,640 ticks all the boxes. It really looks great. 933 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:57,080 And we've got a a game stay thing here. 934 00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:01,160 We've got ticket hotline at the top, which is they've put the 935 00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,800 phone number on a lot of times so you're not going to forget 936 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,120 how to get tickets for that. It's funny that you have to ring 937 00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:12,080 someone to buy tickets, but and you know, they've, they've shown 938 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:13,520 you all the stuff that's going on. 939 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,360 It looks absolutely frantic. There's that photo on the right 940 00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:22,520 hand page where they're up on the sort of raised stall bending 941 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,520 over. People are grabbing miniatures 942 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,560 and they're trying to do things and take payments. 943 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,600 You can only imagine if you work there for the day, you would be 944 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:34,000 absolutely exhausted. It looks like they're in, you 945 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,080 know, in a nightclub in Ibiza or something. 946 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:40,560 It's just absolutely mental and I can only imagine how 947 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,960 exhausting it was to go. Now, I never went to games 948 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,680 today, which is really stupid because it's about 15 miles from 949 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,960 my house and I think it was 5 lbs to go. 950 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,080 But I never went and I kind of ruined the fact that I never 951 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,640 experienced it because I could have gone for a couple of years, 952 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:58,280 definitely, and I just didn't. But yeah, it looks like the kind 953 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,640 of thing that we will never see again, unfortunately. 954 00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,240 Yeah, unfortunately. And if you actually look, I 955 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,360 mean, basically everyone, pretty much everyone there is a 956 00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,240 teenager there. There's a few adults, but it's 957 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,200 it's very much a kind of a youth oriented activity. 958 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,560 And I think if you went to an event nowadays, you'd see people 959 00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:22,440 who are, you know, adults. And that's a shame in a way, 960 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,800 because, you know, you might not feel like a greying hobby if you 961 00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,880 go, Oh no, everyone's, you know, under under 50 or whatever. 962 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,200 But well, they might be, but they won't be always. 963 00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,240 And, you know, we need that new blood coming through. 964 00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:35,120 And I'm just not sure if we are getting it. 965 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,560 We will see over the page they've got a bit more 966 00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:40,040 information to try and get you there. 967 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,600 I really like this. They've got a little rail map of 968 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,560 how to get to the NEC. And this is just like classic 969 00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,640 Games Workshop where they're like, there is absolutely no 970 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,080 excuse to get there. They've got a train in the 971 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,000 bottom left that goes to Penzance, which is the bottom 972 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,640 tip of the country. And then they've got the train 973 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,440 that goes all the way up to Inverness in the north of 974 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,640 Scotland. So they're covering about about 975 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,200 700 miles worth of railway there. 976 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,920 And they're like, you know, there is, there's no excuse not 977 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,880 to get it, even if it means having an 8 hour train journey 978 00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,880 each way that you're still coming. 979 00:51:11,240 --> 00:51:14,080 So yeah, they're, they're really banging on about it. 980 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:18,400 And it, it's just, it also, it speaks of the, the pre Internet 981 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,560 stuff here where you've got to ring the number to get the 982 00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:22,800 ticket. They've got a really, really 983 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,480 complicated detailed map with all the car parks and all the 984 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,280 arrows exactly describing how you get in the building. 985 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,400 It's the kind of thing that no one would do nowadays. 986 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:31,720 You're just like, yeah, that's where I'm going. 987 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,720 Stick it in your phone and turn up there. 988 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,680 But yeah, when you used to go to things in these days, you had 989 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,080 to, I had to be super prepared because you were, you were, it 990 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,400 was a big old expedition. But yeah, it's, it's really 991 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:44,960 cool. I really like the fact they've 992 00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,840 really gone to town on that. Running this event must have 993 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,400 been a massive investment of time and effort for them. 994 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:55,040 And, you know, I don't know how much money they made on it, but 995 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,880 it's more about perpetuating the hobby. 996 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,240 It will have just created so much positive energy that it 997 00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:02,520 will have paid back in dividends. 998 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,720 I'm sure it's a cool event, but I don't think we're going to see 999 00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:07,400 it again. Always something on that level. 1000 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,880 And then we conclude with a really nice Part 2 of the story. 1001 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,760 And this was the only slightly disappointing part of this issue 1002 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,160 when I bought it, is that I hadn't read the Part 1. 1003 00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:22,200 But it's still it's a Bill King story and as you'd expect, 1004 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:27,000 really nicely written, really flavourful, really kind of 1005 00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,640 evocative of of what scavener like and and, you know, just has 1006 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,040 it's got that real Warhammer fantasy role play feel to it, I 1007 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,000 imagine. But, you know, at the time, I 1008 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,760 remember it was, you know, it's a Got trick and Felix story or a 1009 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,840 Got trick story and Scaven. And it was very cool. 1010 00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,120 Yeah. Really, really just kind of made 1011 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,840 you go, oh, OK, this is the world. 1012 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:49,600 And following that battle report as well. 1013 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:53,360 It just makes you kind of feel that you're very much the hobby. 1014 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,480 It's not just a set of rules or a set of products. 1015 00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,000 It's a it's a whole experience, really. 1016 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:04,440 And then very unusually for the magazine, you go on to some 1017 00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:09,680 relatively generic Space Marine and battle manual stuff for 40K. 1018 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,960 You know, the only 40K stuff we've seen at the start was the 1019 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,000 was the chaos stuff. And then this is the, this is 1020 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,960 the only picture of a normal Space Marine I think that you 1021 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,680 see in the whole magazine, other than maybe the catalogue, which 1022 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,480 is crazy really. And then we're back on to more 1023 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,800 pages of of the Gotrek and Felix story. 1024 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,200 That is very odd, isn't it? Yeah, it feels like they needed 1025 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,400 to break it up with an advert for it to get the advert in. 1026 00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,280 But yeah, it's just strange really just chucking in that 1027 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:45,400 devastate a Squad advert there. But yeah, it's just an unusual 1028 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,240 layout decision to do that because then when you finish the 1029 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,280 Gotrek and Felix story, you then go into some adverts, which I 1030 00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,400 didn't really, but then, Oh no, it goes back to the story again. 1031 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:59,320 So it's kind of, it's almost like they're kind of oh, it's 1032 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,640 like an advertisement break. So you're busily happily reading 1033 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,000 that and then subconsciously you suddenly find yourself ordering 1034 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,800 some devastated Space Marines, a subscription to White Dwarf and 1035 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,440 an Imperial steam tank before you know it. 1036 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:15,880 Now this subscription offer that. 1037 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,080 I remember taking this out 25 lbs for a year and you got the 1038 00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,440 two, the blue and the red catalogues, which were 1039 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,640 absolutely brilliant. And I had those and they used to 1040 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,440 pour over those who were fantastic. 1041 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,680 Again, very old school, fill in the thing, write your card 1042 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:34,520 number on there, put it in the post, hope it doesn't get 1043 00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:37,040 intercepted and you get defrauded. 1044 00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,000 But you just used to send money off to random people in those 1045 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:42,920 days and stuff came back through the post. 1046 00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,040 So that's what it was like. And then the steam tank, I 1047 00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,440 remember looking at this and just being like, Oh my God, this 1048 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,960 is amazing. And that exploded diagram as 1049 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,760 well, showing how it all goes together. 1050 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,600 Just really cool, Really, really cool. 1051 00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,480 And just hilariously, I remember it saying diagram not to scale. 1052 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:05,800 So you just so you don't think that the steam tank is about an 1053 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,240 inch wide or something like that. 1054 00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:10,360 But yeah, but it's just, it's ace, isn't it? 1055 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,040 And and also that that little thing that you still get written 1056 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,400 on stuff, but requires a degree of modelling skill. 1057 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,760 We do not recommend this kit for young or inexperienced 1058 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,200 modellers. So I think you'd feel really 1059 00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,360 grown up if you bought 1 and you were young. 1060 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:23,920 You blah. I I can do this. 1061 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,720 I can take on the challenge of the steam tank. 1062 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:31,480 And then 3 bottles of stupid glue and four hours in A&E later 1063 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:36,040 here, there, you realize the error of your ways. 1064 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:37,800 And then we go back onto the story. 1065 00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:39,760 So it's really quite a long story actually. 1066 00:55:40,720 --> 00:55:43,960 Silver helm advert then concluding and then into the 1067 00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:45,720 mail order section that you always got. 1068 00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,200 Now my paper copy here has got the mail order pages cut out, 1069 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,120 which obviously whoever had it will have done so. 1070 00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,760 But you know when you get into the prices there, you realise 1071 00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,320 how good value some of the things were. 1072 00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:59,720 Something's quite expensive though. 1073 00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,320 I mean, one thing I noticed that was fascinating is that like 1074 00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:08,040 the, you know, the, the box set for Warhammer, like I say, was 1075 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:12,240 30 lbs, but I think it's £20 was steam tank or something. 1076 00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:15,600 I don't know where I've, I can't find that now, you know, 20 for 1077 00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,360 a war wagon. So actually it was 20 for a war 1078 00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,560 wagon, but 30 for the whole box set. 1079 00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,720 So I think that it was very much priced to kind of wow you, 1080 00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,360 whereas 20 for the war wagon back in 1992, that was a lot of 1081 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,720 cash. Yeah. 1082 00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,440 You know, so I, I think when I got my paper round, I was 1083 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,360 earning, you know, something like 5 lbs a week or something. 1084 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,280 You know, so you're talking about four week, a month's worth 1085 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,280 of paper round to buy a war wagon. 1086 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,280 So, you know, they, they, they did sell expensive stuff. 1087 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,360 So when people say, oh, it used to be cheaper, it's like, well, 1088 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,920 something's worth, but something's worth a lot of money 1089 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:52,320 and they just work. But I think they just have a 1090 00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,840 different pricing model where it's more about hooking you in 1091 00:56:54,840 --> 00:57:00,280 with those kind of cheap prices. And then the very final sort of 1092 00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,880 inner Backpage that I've got is the Battle for Armageddon advert 1093 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:11,280 for the Jervis Johnson game, which was something I never 1094 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,720 bought. I don't know whether it's you 1095 00:57:13,720 --> 00:57:16,040 can track down copies of this, but it looks interesting. 1096 00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:17,960 I've never played it. Have you played any of these 1097 00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:19,600 games, Josh? I've played, I've played 1098 00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,000 Armageddon, Yeah, Battle Armageddon when it first came 1099 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,920 out in 19. Two or so when it first came 1100 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,080 out, yeah. Yeah, Yeah, I presume they're 1101 00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,800 kind of more like the sort of Avalon Hill traditional type war 1102 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:36,160 games, more like that style. Yeah, chit encounter. 1103 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,320 Yeah. Bent cards you can play as well. 1104 00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,240 So I'd actually like to revisit that at some point and play it 1105 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,280 again. I know that Ed did on a mini 1106 00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:48,040 Sods and it got me fired up to play it again. 1107 00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,600 I would like to do it, yeah. It's kind of thing. 1108 00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,120 You could even make your own like print and play version, 1109 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:54,880 couldn't you? Theoretically if you get the 1110 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,880 scans and print out a few sheets and make a a little board and 1111 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,960 back some tokens it. Having some possible my good 1112 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,320 friend Davide in Italy, he sent me the files to print everything 1113 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:05,480 out. You can print it all out. 1114 00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,720 Oh wow, well I just haven't done something. 1115 00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,600 Around doing it so yeah, but it is. 1116 00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,520 A print for. Sure mate. 1117 00:58:11,560 --> 00:58:14,800 Fantastic. And then we conclude with a 1118 00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:21,080 stunning picture. This is not a lot more than you 1119 00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:25,440 get in the box set. And that I think is testament to 1120 00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:29,000 A, how good the box set is, B, how good you can make it look. 1121 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:32,000 But also it, yes, the paint job's brilliant. 1122 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,360 Yes, the terrain's fantastic. But I remember looking at her 1123 00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,560 and thinking, OK, I can paint up my box set. 1124 00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,400 I can, I can get something like this and, and this, this what a 1125 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,400 brilliant way of having something super aspirational, 1126 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,800 incredibly beautiful to look at, but possible. 1127 00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,280 And that terrain is, is just absolutely wonderful. 1128 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,440 Those buildings. I I don't know how they made 1129 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,920 those buildings with those unusual cone like angles, you 1130 00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,480 know, out of card or paper or whatever they're using. 1131 00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,120 They they, they're very complex compared to like the medieval 1132 00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:08,600 kind of half timbered buildings or, you know, Inns and things 1133 00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,680 that you've seen on other pages. You know that they're really, 1134 00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,520 really nicely done, blended into the bases. 1135 00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:18,760 Just stunning work. I don't know who made those 1136 00:59:18,760 --> 00:59:20,480 buildings originally, do you know? 1137 00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,080 Would have been Adrian Wilde mate. 1138 00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,600 Right, OK, they're fantastic, aren't they? 1139 00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,160 And they just, they're just perfectly go with the Jess 1140 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,400 Goodwin high elf aesthetic. It's just spot on. 1141 00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:38,480 I know that Doctor Spork has been looking at recreating 1142 00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,320 these, hasn't he? He has. 1143 00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,040 He's recreated that those two towers in the bridge and it 1144 00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:49,120 looks stunning. So yes, it's it's something you 1145 00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:53,560 can get in order from his website at 3D. 1146 00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:57,200 Is it Cult 3D? Is that Yeah. 1147 00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,720 So if you search for Doctor Spork on Cult 3, DI think you'll 1148 01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:01,680 find them. But he's done. 1149 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,560 He's done those. I know that he's he he mentioned 1150 01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,400 he was looking at doing the obelisk as well. 1151 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,680 So you know, stuff like that, which would be. 1152 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,520 Because I love scratch built homemade terrain, but I don't 1153 01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,160 really know how you'd begin to do that, to be honest, with 1154 01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,840 paper and cardboard and you know, ordinary materials. 1155 01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,920 So that 3D printed option is definitely probably the most 1156 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,720 viable for getting something that looks like that on the 1157 01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:26,200 table. And you 2 could have this 1158 01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,520 amazing picture in front of you. It's just brilliant. 1159 01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:34,240 It just looks just, it's just sums up that era of Warhammer 1160 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,240 perfectly for me. No, there's a there's a guy in 1161 01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,200 Scotland making a lot of these iconic buildings. 1162 01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,560 I can't recall his name offhand, but he's making them exactly 1163 01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,960 like those original ones and they're incredibles. 1164 01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:48,920 Oh wow. Yeah, someone with a lot of 1165 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,360 skill and who really loves making terrain. 1166 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,840 So it is possible, but in the in the right hands I think mate. 1167 01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,200 Yeah, Richard, it's not mine, I'm afraid. 1168 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,440 But yeah, no, these, these are, this is just great. 1169 01:01:01,800 --> 01:01:05,000 And, you know, so that's, that's the, that's the magazine from 1170 01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,280 start to finish. And it's very much got that 1171 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,400 theme of, you know, it's all about it's the Warhammer 4th 1172 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,600 edition launch issue and what a great place to jump into the 1173 01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:16,640 hobby. It is made, it's a it's a 1174 01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:22,000 classic issue and it's the start and catalyst for many of us who 1175 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,160 got into Games Workshop and discovered Warhammer and 1176 01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:29,960 discovered the the bright, beautiful colours of Hirahama. 1177 01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:33,680 So thank you so much again, Mark, for sharing that with us 1178 01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:37,480 here at the Crown of Command. And mate, if we've got anything 1179 01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,760 else we can share in the future, I'll get you get you back on 1180 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,200 again. Wonderful. 1181 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,880 Thank you very much for giving me the time, Josh, to reminisce 1182 01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,240 and go through this. That's great. 1183 01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:45,800 Take care.