Look, guys, thank you very much again for joining us today.
I know it's sort of in the middle of your daytime or
afternoons there over in the UK or Germany or wherever you might
be. But we've got a bit of a special
here for the podcast and the Craner command talking all about
bring out your lead because it was a bit of a special event
this year in 2023 as it was the last time it was going to be
held at the the venue at the Foundry, the War Games Foundry.
And I really wanted to ask you on to as some of you, it's your
first time to ever attend the event so that we can get more of
a sort of a, I don't know, visual description, you know,
mental description of. And, you know, just to try to
imagine what it's like walking through the the big sort of
arched, stable doors or whatever they are at the front there and
walking in there and experiencing what bring out your
lead is and what it's all about and why it's so, why it's such a
popular venue for old hammerers and just war gamers alike.
So I thought maybe we could ask a few people here and Jack, I
think maybe we'll ask you mate 1st and what was your
experience? Is this your first time to
attend? Bring out your lead.
This is my first time to attend. I did actually a little bit of a
scouting exhibition exhibition to the Foundry a couple of weeks
before, just so I, you know, I could find a place.
But yeah, first time to bring out you there.
It's just fantastic. It really is.
It's like being a very festival sort of atmosphere, very, very
friendly. Yeah, they're really, really
pleasant. I kind of wish I'd gone previous
years actually, in kind of necessarily knowing people there
is going to have a game. I kind of didn't go before.
And then, no, it's absolutely great, really, really friendly
place, you know, really fantastic.
And the foundry obviously limits the time to go see it now.
But it's worth a pilgrimage and it's right and right because the
kind of model collection there is, you'll see things you
recognize. So it's quite peculiar seeing
things you've seen in old white dwarfs.
Just so I sat there on display and that's it's really, really
great, excellent. I'm glad everyone had positive
experience. I think anybody who goes to
bring out lead comes away feeling that they, you know,
they had wished they'd come, you know, many years before that.
So that's really good that you had a really good experience.
Now clan did. Is it your first time?
Either you're a veteran now. No, it's my first time as well.
Yeah, I I only found out about it.
I could have gone last year. I was just.
I found about just in time. But I had a wedding to go to
instead, my brother in law's wedding.
So this was my first time, Yeah. And.
Well, yeah, as arched, it's just such a great setting for it,
such an old hammer setting for an old hammer event.
I mean, the carriage caught itself where Foundry is.
I mean, it's like walking into one of the buildings from the
modeling workshop in White Dwarf.
In some ways. Like the area, like once you get
off the main road into the village where it is and you walk
up to it, it's just. Just down to like the huge oak
trees and stuff, you can kind of it's you can kind of almost see
that maybe they went there because of all the themes they
were into. Like it kind of looks like
something out of the 3rd edition rule book.
It literally does. Actually, that's a really good
Durkin observation. Yeah, it was just really
enjoyable that I think that kind of because yeah, the atmosphere
was wonderful and that like you said that the festival kind of.
Feel to it. It felt very yeah kind of family
and you could like obviously I know a little bit about Foundry
and their kind of links and stuff but you could just you
could just pick up on that kind of family.
Feel that you know this whole setting and you know genre has
been in and out of that family all the way along kind of stuff
like yeah seeing the stuff in the in the shop there wonderful
and that the the shop felt really like I like how the the
guy at the till is like. Nestled behind he's got a round
till desk in front of him, but on that they've got the original
metal master of the polystar in Mighty Fortress and he sits
behind that as like his little defenses around the till.
Yeah, seeing all the old stuff in the cabinets, it's fantastic,
all the old. I love seeing the old like black
lined like war bands from from white dwarfs.
Like I I saw some of the. They didn't have all of it, but
they had the. Steal occults hybrid like the
Ork hybrids that they once did. Yeah, the limo.
The jeans steal the limo. Everything in that real clear
black lining, bright color thing that, yeah, it was like looking
at those white dwarf pages for the first time all over again
kind of thing. And so Viking, we'll be all
glyphs and stuff on them. Yeah.
Great place, really good. I know.
Yeah. They were just really welcoming
like I didn't. I almost quite quickly didn't
feel like it was my first time there because like.
By an Ansel there and stuff. She was just, she's really good.
But. Went to get the sculpting thing
done because we had your little boy with us and stuff.
She was like, straight away. She was like, Oh yes, we'll make
this happen kind of thing in a real friendly way.
It was good. That that was incredible.
I can't believe that was a thing.
So getting Kev Adams to carve, carve your faces onto a goblin,
some absolutely fantastic. So yeah, my son's got a little
little goblin of his own. Wonderful, wonderful.
That's great guys. And I know that Marcel, it was
your first trip as well. You travel internationally from
Germany to the UK to visit, bring out your leg for the very
first time. So what was your first
impression, man? Yeah, as the guy said before, it
was really friendly atmosphere, like minded people all around
you. You could just stop by a table
looking, asking questions. Everyone was forthcoming.
And the staff from the Foundry was also really friendly and
helpful. I'm really happy I restrained
myself of buying historical miniatures because the Foundry
has a lot of ranges for that, and seeing all the display cases
with the old Games Workshop miniatures there was just mind
blowing. It was good to.
Watched them again on Sunday, because then it was a little bit
more not so crowded because people were leaving already.
And then I managed to get on my knees and looked at the bottom
shelves. You normally wouldn't do that if
the shop is crowded and then you could see even better all the.
Terrain and miniatures at the bottom like all the old made
houses and and and St. treats from the White Wolf are there
and you could look at them from different angles because now you
have the room to move around a bit more and that was just
really great and and also meeting Kev Adams was my
personal highlight because I was not planning doing the sculpting
thing. But then the other guys did it
and I thought, come on, it's one in a lifetime and it's for
charity. So I just grabbed A blister of,
I don't know, late medieval captains to get my face sculpted
on one of them. And that was just the
opportunity I have to take and. Yeah, it's definitely shut up
and take my money moment that one.
Yeah, and the day before we went to Warhammer World and.
Just regarding the old hammer or hero hammer stuff I'm interested
in, Foundry was so much worth it than for the world because one
world it was just one side of the wall with a few displayed
there and that was the old stuff.
And the rest of course, I mean I get it was the new stuff they
want to sell. So if you're into the old stuff,
visit the foundry. Definitely wonderful.
Okay, that's good. I'm glad you had a really good
first impression of visiting Bring out your lead in the UK as
well and visiting Lama World. So that's all.
Great that you can do that all within the very short distance
of each other because they're all within the same vicinity.
But we also have a veteran of bring out your lead and that's
kettle trout. Kettle trout.
How are you going, mate? I am all right.
Thanks. Nice to be here, yeah.
Thank you very much for joining us, mate.
So you've. Been through quite, quite
consecutive years, I take it. Yeah, to bring.
It. This year was the.
I think it's the fourth time I've been so not not, you know
there are obviously people who've been attending much
longer than I have but yeah since since I first went I think
in 2018 I've. I've made the effort to go back
each year and because of it's, you know, it's a really
enjoyable event and I've you know as well, in addition to
seeing lots of lovely old miniatures and games and people
doing. A lot of stuff specifically for
Boil, making custom boards or running scenarios that we don't
often see where I've made friendships of people that with
people that I've met there. And then maybe in the following
year we'll arrange to have a game or, you know, and we've
made some kind of enduring friendships, you know, within
the hobby, just from people that I've met there again, which is
like prognosis saying it's a really open and welcoming
environment. Of like minded people and what
can be, you know quite a small niche, weird hobbies.
So yeah, that's I really enjoy it as an event.
I think Marcel makes a good point as well in that then over
the three days from the Friday, Saturday and Sunday each day,
because of the number of attendees, tends to have a very
different character and you know, with Saturday being much
busier generally. Which means there's a lot of
stuff going on, but maybe it's more difficult to see the the
foundry cabinets or you know, but there's less space and stuff
to move around. So you should maybe appreciate
what Findry has to offer outside of boil.
Better on Friday or this Sunday when there's more space to kind
of get in about stuff. I like that we had a kind of
Crown of Commands table as a bit of a base camp for us, actually,
that was quite handy. That makes a big difference as
well, definitely, yeah. That works out really well.
So Garthy does the table bookings as really good at
organizing that and trying to combine.
Disparate bookings and and sort of make sure you have access to
some you know the same table if you have consecutive things
booked and it's very good at adapting on on on the day to
find make it as convenient as possible for everyone who's
there. So if I can maximize the number
of people who are, you know, so that all the tables are
constantly in use but in the most efficient way possible.
So yeah, big credit to him for that.
So Yep, absolutely. Garth James being the main
organizer for bring out your lead since its conception and it
would have been pretty emotional I think at the end to say well,
not goodbye, but you know to say, you know this is the end of
this time this 10 year tenure at the War Games Foundry.
And of course they're going to move at some point into a new
location and and the bring out your lead event will live on in
another location and I I presume within somewhere within
Nottingham as it's the lead belt as I call it and I presume it's
going to be there somewhere. So yeah, I'm interested to know
what kind of games are being played there and about the
Chronic Command table and what games you guys played.
So Marcel, could you tell us about what games did you play on
the Chronic Command table? I brought my dwarfs from Germany
to bring out your lead, so I made just a small list and.
Because it's Dwarves, I don't have to bother with magic items
and such stuff, and I played I think 2 games, First was against
Klem's Goblins, and I think the last game was also against
Klem's Goblins, but it. Yeah, and it was, it was really
fun. We had a we had a lot of fun
just rolling dice and it was not competitive in any way.
And also the atmosphere with the other guys in the room, we were
located playing and having fun, but that was just cool.
And of course seeing the other tables.
And sadly I missed one game where they played the.
This Prutonian Joust game from the White Wolf that was really
well made? Yep.
And sadly, I missed that. I only saw it and then it was
packed up. That was quite sad.
But yeah, okay, maybe next time. And I.
Think I, said Martel. They're planning to bring it
back next year, so there you. Go.
Yeah, even better. Okay and.
For me, yeah. Not to highlight, but really
nice to see because I just sat next to the table and watched.
It was a game of what's it called?
Starfleet Battles, the forefather of Battlefleet,
Gothic and Space Fleet. Yeah, yeah, Starfleet is the
Star Trek thing. Yeah, Space Fleet.
And that was just great because the rules were so weird
compared. To.
Newer GW rules because you had to roll in that box lit with
your V6 and making critical hits and stuff like that.
And it was just a fun to watch because there was a chain
reaction with explosions and suddenly half the board was
empty because all the ships just exploded.
Yeah, that was really, really nice to see because you don't
see that game I think very often.
And just a quick shout, I know you mentioned the Protonian A
Jousting game and you and Cameron, he actually emailed me
because he helped me out with a scan of one of the GW catalogs,
the Red Catalog to make a T-shirt print at some point And
he would like to, he would, he wanted to join us this evening.
But I said mate, I think we've just got too many people and it
might be just a little bit crowded, you know, in terms of
voices and you know, people wanting to talk and that kind of
thing. So I might bring them but him
and his friend on at some point as a Bring Out Your Lead Part 2
podcasts at some point in the future.
But he said it would be a great honor if you can mention us and
the game that we played at Bring Out Your Lead.
I did see pictures of it looked absolutely amazing.
It instantly reminded me of Dave Andrews, the diorama he made I
think for Games Day at one point during the 90s.
And then it became a White Dwarf game that you could you could
get an access through White Dwarf magazine.
So yeah, it would be really nice to have seen that they look
really, really pretty on the table.
There's a lot of, a lot of the, I mean, This is why we do this
is because it looks like fantastic set up on the table.
But you could wander around and just look at just armies that
have been lovingly curated for kind of decades, I think in many
cases. And yeah, there's a lot of going
around just looking at. That the fantastic armies people
have created of our own Mr. Kennel, I suppose we call you,
not right amongst the top of them, seeing something that's
been first hand. It was a pleasure really and
haven't seen them on the discord.
So thank you. Can you tell us about what army
you brought today to the event and what games you played on the
day? So over the course of the
weekend I ended up mainly playing third edition fantasy,
which is kind of really my main interest.
I brought an Goblin army and a Thimmer army with me, and yeah,
over the course of the weekend can switch those in the night.
I also ended up playing a bit of bunging bowl.
On Sunday, which was like a nice change of pace, and I played a
bit of Blood Bowl previously, but I never played Dungeon Bowl,
so it was interesting. It's good fun, Yeah, that sounds
amazing, mate. So yeah, I mean, it's a pretty
broad church as sort of a term They use a lot now in war,
gaming, podcasts and that kind of thing.
But Bring Out Your Lead is not exclusive to 3rd edition of
course. It spans many generations of
games and different systems, and I think even Garth said if you
want to play A to Sigma, just play A to Sigma.
Just book a table and start. Yeah.
I think it's very inclusive in that sense, yeah.
I think technically the only stipulation they have for.
The type of miniatures and the type of games that are played is
that any models on the table must be painted, and that's the
only stipulation that they have so open to all manufacturers,
from The Dark, Deep, Distant Past Three to Modern, Games
Workshop or any other manufacturing.
I definitely saw a game of 6 edition fantasy being played I
think on the Sunday surely? I think people were playing
Gloss Grave and Star Grave and really modern stuff.
I think there might even have been some people playing work,
right? But I was speaking to some of
the old guys and the real original people and.
In the pub on on Saturday and one of them was retelling a
story where one year they had an enormous siege battle and that
was quite early in the history of putting out your lead.
Before it was the carriage court when the foundry was still based
on, and I think it was an old Babatois in Nottingham.
They organized an enormous siege game, the 3rd edition rules,
with two armies advancing on one, and one force advancing on
the fortification and everyone brought.
Pieces of their own mighty fortress and Brian Ansell as the
Fort was being set up, disappeared and came back with
the original metal master, which I don't think was on display at
that point. Put it down on the table and
Dave Gilson, I think, politely removed it from the table and
said to Brian Ansell they wouldn't be using it because it
was unpainted. And therefore not eligible to be
used. If there's one game I would love
to see, it's the Gilson brothers.
You know, touting it out on the table top.
Marcel, you were involved in some altercation, I believe,
with the Gilson brothers. We won't carry you.
I didn't really saw it because I suddenly got hit by a I don't
know, was it a Magic Spell card or a Magic item card.
It's a flyer. They were just no doubt.
Yeah, yeah, it was a very funny, very funny account.
I mean, I feel sorry if you got hit back in the head, but I
mean. If you're going to get hit in
the back of the head by something, Marcel, I mean, you
know, luckily it was just a 4th edition Magic card, so it wasn't
too bad it. Wasn't the master of the mighty?
Flatters. No, no, I mean that.
In. A way.
And I mean that's that just. That just shows the atmosphere
because the guys at the table there behind us, they had a
blast and really into it And then and they said oh sorry, and
of course no problem at all. I handed the card back and they
continued, as did we, so no problem at all.
As long as the fists and blood was involved between the gills
and game, I'm sure everything will be fine.
Yeah, now you guys, So you played 4th edition too, didn't
you? You guys played 4th edition on
the Chronic Command table. Yeah, that's correct.
Yeah. And I don't know, maybe Ken, you
also played third edition or was it poorly 4th edition?
No, I'll start with 4th edition in the end, cuz that's yeah,
what we kind of have more of. I mean, my list was still
largely. Those third edition army books
based on SO I still use the three sizes of catapult and
stuff, but yeah, all 4th edition I actually played.
Lovely, lovely. Again, see unluckiest dwarfs in
the whole world I've. Never seen.
I've never seen goblin Chariots do so well.
They did everything that you dream they can do.
Then they managed to break. Yeah, teach me how.
Teach me how. Clem, I need to know how, mate.
Mine does disintegrate before they even reach the target.
So you've got to give me some. Chariot.
It helps. It helps.
You have 5 organ guns that cause more casualties to themselves
than you want to be. Yeah, yeah, that's true.
I've been on the sore end of a organ gun in my time.
I know the feeling. So that's wonderful, Okay.
That's really good, guys. That's really good now.
Yeah, you played now. Jack and Marcel and Clam, you
guys play together. Who also was at your table?
Timothy and Roger, Who's Maddox on on the Discord?
Oh, right. Mad old brother.
So I dragged along my brother and son as well.
Oh, OK, good. That's good.
Lovely. That's wonderful.
Yes. It's a very much a family
inclusive thing, isn't it? Bring it.
Lead. You can.
It is kids along and they can have fun.
They can do stuff. I mean, I'm sure there's a lot
of participation games. Hell to bring a letters, is that
right? You know you can.
So there was, yeah, yeah. Yeah, a lot of people bought,
bought their kids along, which you know, I mean it was summer
holidays, so I kind of pretty much had to, but I was slightly
worried he'd feel a little out place, but there were a lot of
kids there and so it was so friendly.
He just had a great time to sort of wander around asking people
about their their natures. And I think we spotted a couple
of Youtubers we watched and he just warmed up and introduced
himself to them. Pretty bold for a six year old,
but there you go. And there he got to play, He
got, he got to play in that participation game of what was
it called? It's like Net Commander rules,
but it was Helsridge, Helsridge. So he got to play alongside Eric
from Eric Tolby Workshop on the game there on Saturday, which he
loved. So yeah, it's very family
friendly. I'll probably be bringing him
back next year as well. Yeah.
I'm also curious of what you actually ate on the day because
I know that Dinanza was, you know, has her own catering
company and she provides all the food and that kind of thing.
So you've got like a bar and things you can, I presume you
can order to eat and that kind of thing.
So what guys did you actually What guys did you guys what did
you munch on during the day? Kendall.
Trout.
What did you munch on mate today on that, on the?
I think the pick of the boil food for me is the breakfast
rolls. So they offer you like a hot
breakfast roll with a selection of eggs, sausages, bacon.
You know, just like I could feel English English breakfast in the
roll if you like, right? And that sets you up for a good
a good day's gaming and you know pretty reasonably priced and.
Yeah, that's. Right.
That would be. Yeah, all that patron was
really, really friendly. And yeah, yeah, well priced.
Like, yeah, especially considering that's your only
option really, unless you're going to.
Exactly. It feels.
It doesn't feel like they're trying to gauge attendees for to
make money out of it. It's very much within the
spirit, the spirit of the event. Yeah.
Yeah, even. Just keep playing games,
basically like. Yeah, it's right now.
It's there to fill you up. Yeah, I, like, had a real
friendly feeling of being. It's nice to kind of be a bit
institutionalized now and then, isn't it?
Like when you're at something like that and everything's laid
on and it is like being a kid again Because you don't, you
just play your game. You don't have to think.
Oh, yeah, At some point I've got to sort out dinner for the
family and that it's like just. Well, they'll come and let you
know when dinner's ready and stuff like that.
Exactly. Reasonably priced beer as well,
which is nice, yeah. Yeah.
I think and that's in stark
contrast to a lot of other events where companies or brands
who will take advantage of the closed atmosphere and charge
rates for. Just really basic food and drink
that's much more than you'd expect to pay in a different
context. And yeah, I don't know.
I just don't get that impression that from boil that that's what
the foundry are trying to do. It's, yeah, very generous and
reasonable and functional. And yeah, like for.
Home cooking. Really nice stuff, but Yep,
sounds wonderful. Now, did you get to rub
shoulders with any big names? Any personalities there?
Old guard from GW at all, guys. Marcel, you got to talk to Kev
Adams here. Yeah, because we did the Skyping
thing and that was done. We got our pictures taken by one
of the phone free stuff and he handed them over to Kev Adams.
And I don't know, after one or two hours we could look if he's
done with it. And he didn't ask, he just
headed me by miniature because I'm almost bald.
So it was really easy for him to recognize me.
The same with clan. And I was just, I just said a
few words to him that I wasn't planning doing that but for
charity. And it's so nice that he's doing
it and he. Just shook my hand and I was
really like, Oh my God, that's cause I yeah, the realization of
that and and that's that's it. Now I just didn't want to ask
him more questions because he was doing that job there and in
the afterthought I'm kind of sorry because also Tony Eklund
was there and he had binders with the original.
Drawings of his black and white art and he just allowed people
to go through this binders and most of it as I remember was
from the old Weimar fantasy role play the artwork and I saw one
of my old time favorite in it. That was an adventure that was
published in The White Dwarf, and it was about an Alvin
necromancer and I was too shy to ask him if it's for sale.
That's the thing I regret. Maybe I will do it next year or
so, I don't know. Wonderful okay any other guys
cuz I know John Blanche had attended.
I don't know about many other of the and other personalities.
I know that you know Jervis Johnson's been there.
Rick Priestly, he's attended in previous years.
Did anybody else come along from the?
Robin DS Yeah, I got to shake. Shake your hands and say hello
to Robin DS and John Blanche when I was obviously party.
Star Trek say anything, but that's great.
It was a place to meet them. I think Gary Morley was there,
but I didn't see him. Yeah, no, he was there.
I'm pro. And Prouds there, I think.
I think Prouds too. That's great.
I spoke to him, yeah. I think Trish Cardin as well, of
course. Yes.
Trish yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, Robin.
Jews really enjoyed it when you told him his 90s white dwarf
editorials that you're happy to. Talk.
Yeah. Yeah, totally fanboyed.
Robin Jews. Well, Robin Jews, White Dwarf is
the best. White Dwarf aren't.
Yep. I'll have to.
I'm actually going to agree with you, Jack there.
I think that that time, that's when I first got into the hobby
and I think that's my sort of pinnacle time of White Dwarf.
It it there was smaller, but they just contained so much, so
much goodness in there. There was so much great stuff,
so much great content. Yeah, that's great.
I'm really glad that really glad that Robin Jews.
I didn't actually know that he attended that event.
So that's excellent to hear And Gary Morley too.
That's amazing. That's great.
So a few new faces coming to see what's happening, what's all
this excitement and talk about with Bring out your Lid.
So that's good. They're coming there to
reconnect with their fans and talk to the people that, you
know, really appreciate their work.
So it was. Really to Kev as much as I did,
because when I went back to check that if my model had been
done, he had just got on sculpting it.
So I got to stand there with him for a bit while he was
sculpting, He said, oh wow, you really do look like a dwarf,
didn't you? You're the spitting image of a
troll. Say mate Clint.
And that that is a compliment, my friend.
Yeah, I think, I think, yeah, he he got.
I think that helped that I went back because then he got to
sculpt like kind of from talking to us as well.
And he's a real nice guy. He's just really, really like
chilled out to him with him while he's sculpting.
But he works real fast. But it like relaxed as well.
It's kind of, yeah. Surprisingly fast, actually.
I can't believe how many. So the individual kind of custom
sculpts he did in the course of the day and they're all really
good. Like you could tell straight
away who was who was who. Yeah, and some.
Of those, but also that they're very definitely came out of
sculpts as well, you know. Oh, yes.
Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
Yeah. I was going to say claim you
actually remind me of Mark Jones.
Mark Jones was. I think he still works at Games
Workshop, but when I worked there in the 1994, you know, he
was like a real troll Slayer when he had the red beard, the
red, the red long hair, and he had all these hairs and braids
with all the beads and stuff like that.
Like he just looked like a troll Slayer.
It was amazing. So you sort of look like him.
Actually, you reminded me of him.
Yeah, remember. Yeah.
If you look at look at the old white dwarves, mate, Mark Jones.
You look at Mark Jones's photo, yeah, he's a spinning image of a
troll, say. I mean, he obviously does it
intentionally to look like a troll.
Say he loves dwarves and that kind of stuff.
But yeah, but yeah, might be. One of those things where you
can't meet because you're so ginger, you can't be in the same
place as they were. Yeah, that's great guys.
Awesome. So like you would have walked
around the different tables and that kind of thing during the
during the three days that or two days or whatever, How many
days you were there, What was the highlight?
What was it? Because I know you know Tom
Reynolds, another member of our discord here.
He puts on some outstanding epic, epic space marine battles,
which I would love to. That's one of my dreams is go
and play with Tom on his epic boards because they're all sort
of modular and he does a fantastic work on terrain and
miniature painting. It's kind of one of the the
spectacles of of the show, I think.
What was your sort of highlight of the show?
Kendal trap. What do you think mate?
What was your sort of pinnacle table your dream?
I this year I got to play a game with with a guy called Steve
Biels who's kind of one of the original old timer guys and he
has a really good blog called Somewhere the Tea is Getting
cold and you know he's not updating it as much as he did
you know in the kind of blogging heyday.
But he he he's got like a really interesting take on old timer
and makes a lot of really unusual armies and terrain like
in in previous years. I think the first year I went to
Boyle he had brought with him a Hurst art molds reconstruction
of the Temple of Rig which is from a very early Sithdel
compendium or second edition scenario about an Amazonian
temple Illustria and like he stays up in.
In the Lake District for Cumbria and he'd driven down with this
thing in the back of his Land Rover that I think weighed in
excess of 20 kilos, the plaster brick three story temple.
And then this year he brought a really odd or creative kind of
corrupted Chaos influenced Empire army.
Using a whole lot of weird foundation rules.
So he had mixed mixed units of Pikeman and crossbowmen.
He had a small allied undead faction of, you know, kind of a
vampire with a unit of raised zombies.
He had a unit, a peasant levee with a plague carp in the middle
of it, and it had sort of plague census bearers like.
Almost like Scaven chip types that came flying out of it when
they were approached like Goblin fanatics, you know and a giant
Wicker man that you use as like an animated construct giant.
So yeah, just like a creative use an unusual ones, like
something that's a bit a bit different.
So it's always really interesting to see, you know,
people making their personal tapes on.
On army composition and setup and he also puts a lot of effort
into how he paints and presents the miniatures.
So it was really good fun and he's a very generous opponent,
so that was good fun. My highlight?
Like yeah, that's wonderful, mate.
This sounds like the true spirit of Old Hammer.
Yeah, exactly. Personalization to your army and
that kind of thing. So a lot of freedom given there.
And of course you're a very skilled painter and conversion
artist as well. So what did you take your famir
army to bring out your lead this year?
Yeah, it did. And I've finished the I've been
working on a land dragon conversion thing, which I
thought I've had in mind for finishing and time, so it was
good to get that on the table. And yeah, it caused a bit of
damage. We used that.
As a war mammoth so that using the war mammoth rules in 3rd
edition with a with kind of three Vienna Finn warriors on
it. So yeah.
Took a bit of took a bit of punishment getting across the
table from a lot of empire cannons and some a hail of
Rudolph arrows but yeah did a bit of damage once it once it
got in about the enemy lines. So yeah.
Was that a dragon? That's the prize winning dragon.
Yeah, put it in the painting competition then.
Yeah, that sort of alludes just before we get to the other guys
stories, but that alludes to the painting competition.
Now every year bring out Lead does support a support the
artists that work all year round to paint their wonderful
miniatures, to put in the display cameras for other people
to have a look at and look in OR and aspire to.
So there was a painting competition this year as well.
Now, Kendall, can you tell us about that?
Like how many people entered and what kind of entries won on the
day. So it's a really and generally
in keeping with the spirit of Boil.
There is a painting competition, but it's not a hugely
competitive thing. It's quite casual.
There's a cabinet but open and people can stick in.
The models that they want and they use a raffle ticket system.
So you write your name in the book and put one raffle ticket
under your model and Tony Gates and Garth tend to do the judging
in conjunction with someone else over the course of you know,
each year. And I think this year it was
Trish Cardin who was involved with a pair of them.
Broadly, they have. 3 categories, a single model unit
or squad and large thing, but they remain very open and will
award additional prizes at their discretion for whatever else
they think or categories depending on what's available.
And yeah, I think this year it was definitely busy with a lot
of things and I'd say generally. Saturday this year I think was
probably the busiest and attendance I've seen that boil.
So consequently there was a lot of models entered.
But there's again a whole range of stuff and like you see on the
tables from really very early old hammer, you know classic
Threeslaughter Citadel miniatures, right through to
modern AOS kits, you know, and. It's all welcome and all
appreciated. Hey, that's excellent, mate.
That's wonderful. Yeah.
Sadly, old man paints. Phil is not here today, but he
won with his pretty amazing now dragon diorama.
What's the name of the dragon again?
What's the name of that? Great.
Great Spine Dragon. That's it.
The Great Spine Dragon, and I think he picked up from a Bring
Out Your Lead event previously. Yeah, in someone's back, in
someone's boot of their car or something like that.
I think there seems to be another sort of a thing offset
onto Bring Out lead. You can beat people in the car
park and you can buy stuff off them and that kind of thing as
far as I know. Yeah, there's definitely a
degree of swapping and trading that goes on, yeah.
But you know, again, it's one of the few rules of boil is that
they are. That because Foundry are
offering use of their commercial site for free that you don't
conduct any sales or trades on their site, which is perfectly
reasonable. Absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely. And Jack, what was your
highlight made of bring it in lead this year?
It's gonna sound terribly saccharine, but actually it was
just kind of meeting the guys in the Discord in real life it was,
yeah, it was lovely. Nice to put some faces to names.
Wonderful. That's wonderful.
That's really great. Yeah.
I'm really glad that people actually reconnecting and
actually connecting in the 1st place to meet up in person, to
actually meet each other. And you know, it's not just sort
of a correspondence communication.
Now you can actually meet in person and play some games
together, which is the main idea.
Marcel, how about you, Matt? What was the highlight if you
bring out your lid? For tables, I would say it was
the old Hammer table here. Cattle Trout was also gaming on
because that was just amazing. All these armies and units
beautifully painted in the old hammer spirit.
That was just awesome. And as Jack said, just meeting
the people not only here, our guys from the Discord, but just
walking around having like minded people around you.
Yep, that's wonderful, man. And I think that's sorry.
I was just going to say, I think that's really in keeping with
the spirit of Boil. That kind of really grew out of
a group of bloggers kind of finding each other's content
online and deciding to meet up in person and making an
arrangement to do similarly to, you know, what happened this
year with the kind of command guys booking a table and going
to the event. But the whole kind of genesis
Unboil was strangers meeting on an online community and deciding
to get together in person to play some games.
And I think it's really good that, you know, that continues.
Yeah, one of the beauties of our Discord is that you guys aren't
really strangers. You've been talking to each
other now in our paint and chat sessions for years.
Now you know a good number of years, two or three years.
So it's just nice that you actually met in person to put a
face to the name kind of thing, which is great, which is really
good to see. Now Clem, what was your
highlight? Might have bring out your lead
this year. Well, yeah, so many and some
quite similar, yeah. And definitely the meeting
everyone again, the core of the Crown armies together to fight
was really good, cuz yeah, like I said, we've been working on
that. It was like six months the
challenge. Eight months to challenge.
But yeah, to actually get those together on the table and be
able to play a load of games with them when we've kind of
threw the paint and chat work on those armies together, I think I
thought that was really good. Yeah, just, yeah, give it a real
feel of, yeah, kind of achieving something over the course of the
year. That was, yeah, it was real nice
to bring those in. Yeah.
Meet Kev Adams again. That was really good.
The tables wise, I loved the huge.
Now is it Princep's Tom and the Huge.
It was used for 2nd edition 40K and then it was all modular and
it had proper like dug in like gullies for the rivers and
stuff, but it all would just swap in the buildings.
It all worked perfectly for Space Marine as well for Epic.
That was a really impressive board.
That Wickerman giant you mentioned?
Get a little worried about that? Yeah, it's just a straight kit
that unconverted that's available from a small company
in Northumbria called In State Castings, but they've got some
interesting drain and they also make some really good 28 mill
scale ships. That's an interesting thing.
Yeah, just, yeah, seeing so many games, you know, seeing people
playing. 1st Edition Space Hulk and yeah, I was quite busy with
Quarter to the Crown games and just looking at stuff.
So I didn't really play in as many participation things as I'd
like to in the future. But it was just seeing them all.
It's yeah, just got such a good selection of like seeing Full
Tilt being played. That's really good.
Yeah, that whole thing. And sorry for Marcel getting hit
in the back of the head, but yeah, the.
The Dave Gilson magical missile thing, that was.
That library, and it just kind of, it was like, Oh yeah, there
it is. It's a shame to miss that.
It'd be really funny, but I just want to see the Gilsons play
against each other because I know they've got some kind of
heated rivalry between the two brothers, so it would have been
just really funny just to watch them play a game.
It would be just hilarious. So yeah, guys, it's.
And it often, yeah, it often continues on in the pub, on the
on the Saturday night it's spelled doesn't necessarily stop
when the day stop rolling. Boy, okay.
It sounds like a real, real laugh, like a British sitcom or
something. I'll be sitting through like
faulty towers or something like that.
But yeah, but guys, look, it sounds like an amazing event.
And you know, I'm really glad that you guys got to go there
and witness it for at least the final time that it's going to be
held at. Is it Newark in Nottingham,
where the current foundry is situated?
But. Like I said, it's not the end.
It's going to continue on as long as, you know, the Ansels
want to host it and they have the premises that will
facilitate such an event. And if not, I'm sure they'll
work out something with Garth that they can find some other
place where they can host it and Diane can do the catering and
everything for it and have you guys there again in the future
and it will start. I don't know if it'll get bigger
or not, but it for me it always seemed like a really quite
small, like 50-60 people. But in actual fact there was
like 200 people that worked through the turn, walked through
the turnstiles that day, Is that right?
About 200 people. Yeah, it.
Feels about right. Yeah.
Seems to be a kind of accepted estimate.
But again, they're not selling tickets.
And you know, and no one's kind of counting numbers.
So I suppose it's difficult to quantify exactly.
Yeah. Yeah, and it's coming and going.
And also, the weather on Saturday was really wet, so I
bet a lot of people were not going because of the weather.
We decided not to come because of the weather.
I think that's probably very true.
About half a dozen cars got stuck in the mud, I think just
outside. Some degree of pushing required,
I think. Yeah, wow.
Okay. So but in just in closing thanks
guys for coming in to share your stories about bring up your
lead. I mean I mean your stories
infuse the interest of other people who listen on the podcast
like myself and other like minded people who would love to
play or at least to just come to have a look.
I mean I could to see Jeff at Oak Band Studios videos on his
YouTube channel which are always interesting and I I always love
his sort of views and how how he presents.
Bring up your lead. In a very much in a in a way
that sort of showcases the tables and the people attending
and that kind of thing. Not being too intrusive, but
just sort of standing back and just showing everybody, you know
giving a glimpse of what it's like.
Which I want to give Jeff a shout out and I hope I can get
him back on the crown of command at some point in the future to
talk about bring out your lead because he he made something
pretty spectacular as a present for Diane.
Ansel because Brian, unfortunately.
Wasn't able physically able or his health just wasn't just
wasn't able to come on the day. So Kettle you were there, I
think, mate, at the presentation at the end.
What exactly did Jeff make for Diane?
So I think that the guys who organized and run Boyle wanted
to commemorate with us being the, I think physically the 10th
time boil had taken place. Although the 11th year since it
started just wanted to give something to the Ansels and
Foundry to to say thanks for their generosity.
You know that allows boil to kind of really exist in the way
that it does by providing you know their their facilities that
foundry free of charge which is you know the generous thing to
do. So decommissioned Jeff to make a
life-size replica of the the Warhammer from the cover of the
3rd edition Warhammer Fantasy rulebook which was really great
and like on a little kind of wooden plaque and presented it
to her. And I think Jeff has a
background in theater prop making.
So he did a, you know, like great job and yeah, that was
seemed like a really nice warhammer related old hammer
thing. An actual old hammer.
Yeah, to give to the answers as a sort of gesture of thanks for
all that they do to allow it to take place.
Yeah, it looks absolutely brilliant.
I think it was just, yeah, just a wonderful bit of
craftsmanship. How he put that together.
It was really, really interesting.
So guys, final question, how much did you spend?
At the Foundry, did anybody bring back lead piles on the way
home? And as a thank you to the to the
Answers for a wonderful weekend. Marcel, we'll start with you
mate. Did you buy anything?
Yes, I kept strong and I didn't buy any historical ranges, so
I'm really proud of myself. But I bought 2 blisters from
their skeleton range like. The command team for the
skeleton cavalry, because they fit nicely, I think, with the
plastic old hammer skeletons, and I bought a blister of their
on that skeleton crossbow. They looked really nice.
And then I bought the blister of the Oh yeah, I bought the best
of late medieval captains for getting my head sculpted on one
of them. That's true.
And then I bought some blisters from there, or what's it called,
St. Violence Range, That is a kind
of modern range with punks and SWAT teams and whatever.
And I bought some of them for my Tiger Punk and Zombie project.
It's wonderful, man. I'm sure the answer will be very
thankful for your patronage on the day that you brought some.
Some Lovely War Games Foundry miniatures back home to Germany,
so that's excellent. Jack, did you purchase anything
on the day mate? I did, yeah.
I mean, the Foundry miniatures are actually really lovely.
Yeah. I justified to myself by saying
this is effectively the price of entry.
There's no tickets, so you buy a little lead band to make up for
it. Yeah, I did.
I got they had some lovely basement sculpt set, so I got
some of those. And I let my son go and pick
whatever he wanted for himself as well.
So he came out of a little Hydra miniature, which, having looked
at it, it's going to be an absolute bugger to put together.
So it was bad to do at some point.
But yeah, that didn't get too mad.
Wonderful, mate. Okay Clem.
What did you get mate? And well, I bought the
translayer type boundary model. I can't remember it.
I think it was a Norse dwarf. Something to get my face
sculpted on. And I, yeah, gave the money to
charity for Kev sculpting, which was like, so generously priced
in that. I mean, he's an absolute master
of it. Yes.
That he have. That goes to charity.
And I was like, yeah, got to do that.
I got the painting guide that they do.
They're Kevin Dalamore Foundry Miniatures.
They're painting a modeling guide.
And yeah, all things that I wasn't really intended to get,
but it kind of was just inspired by the projects that came from
doing the boil thing. Like now I've started Dwarf Army
because of that figure. I bought their expert paint sets
because their paints come in a set of three.
You get like a shade tone, a mid tone and a highlight tone.
I thought, oh, I want to try that out there.
There you do their expert paint range, so I'm going to use that
on my dwarfs. Bought that and I got some hand
Gunners. From the historical range, but
they will go with my Empire army that I want to eventually build,
which is mostly Battle Masters models.
I thought they'd go quite well. I don't get yeah, I think that
about it from there. Oh, good.
Only mate did well. Very good.
Excellent. Good.
So it's a nice little bag of goodies there.
You brought home to the Clem family?
Yeah, that's nice, mate. That's great.
And kettle trad, Did you get anything made on the day?
Yeah, I ended up coming away with a selection of bits and
pieces. So little Kev Adams goblin
writing weird 2 legged dinosaurs and yes, their outfits.
And yeah, I've got it full and yeah, a few bits and pieces.
Everyone came away with a little floaty guy as well and gave away
a little free. That's right, specific minister
for the occasion, which is actually joy to paint it.
It's lovely little men, yeah. They make an event specific
miniature each year, which again is given out for free and to
everyone who attends. And they again, the Boil
organizers make a point of saying you've been given it as a
gift, please don't sell it. You know, you're quite they're
quite happy for you to give it away, but they've really
strongly discourage you putting it on eBay.
And selling it to Jerome. I know him from Hastings and he
has been spoiled quite a lot, hasn't been able to go this year
because he's ill Yeah, well, that's a really nice thing to
do. But they tend to alternate each
year between a fantasy and a sci-fi and sort of sculpt to
kind of. Yeah, keep the two.
I'm happy. But that in itself is a really
nice thing. So they do, and it's nice to
have, you know, like a fairly exclusive memento of the event.
And I know that the organizers of Boil have started to supply
the various other old Timer events, like the Old Timer
Poland, with casts of the Boil figure to distribute at their
events as well, which are in considering this.
Yeah, it's brilliant. Nice thing for them to do as
well. Yeah, absolutely, man.
That's very generous of them. Actually painting at the moment,
my Shannon, we've got there one of the.
Previous Yeah. Some trap was giving those away
as well, wasn't it? Yeah, all right.
Yeah. Literally just lots of this
morning. That's right.
So in addition to the event miniature, you quite often
encounter people who are giving away other miniatures sometimes
take new scopes that they have made.
For instance, the The Orc Demon. It was a 3D print of a digital
scope, A Spanish guy, I think his company is called Red Bar
Games and made. I think he sculpted it himself
for the idle and Corp campaign. I think they were going to be
playing at Boyle and he said he just printed off a few.
I think they said about 150 extra copies and was quite happy
to give them away to people with no expectation or, you know, all
this, I need to do anything with it.
And, you know, there are several other people, other people who
bring bits, boxes of, you know, double s or miniatures that they
might be broken or things that they're not going to use and
just sit them on a table and people can help themselves.
Wow. Well, yeah, it's very difficult.
Even if you don't spend any money at oil, it's pretty
difficult to leave about some new miniatures in some form or
another. Yeah mate, that's for sure.
Now that sounds like a wonderful event and I really thank you
guys, all of you. So that's Jack Clem.
Kendall Trout and Marcel, for sharing all your stories about
bringing out lead for 2023 this year.
I really, I'm really glad you guys got to connect and meet in
person and to, like I said, put a face to a name that you known
from the Discord for all these years.
And it's just one of those highlights that we you guys can
enjoy and hopefully I will make it there one day, one, one year,
one pilgrimage. If the big Boss allows me to
make my voyage over to the UK again after, I don't know, 30
odd years since being there to attend, bring out your lead to
play some and roll some dice with you guys.
So thank you very much again for this evening and take care and
catch you again next time. Thanks.
Excellent. Thanks.
OK. Bye.
Bye, Thank you. Bye, bye.