What kind of feelings you get from healing that the old both
Realms? A lot of nostalgia?
I wish I had I wish I had that track first because I heard that
track first order film fell in love with bolts or I think I
heard the very first track on the album.
The slaves of Darkness album and I just got turned But but yeah,
that's an absolute, absolute classic will data from 1989 from
ball thrower. I thought, I'd just do that for
bit of fun. Every time we do it like a
podcast. We can throw up some nice 90s
music through one or more records.
Yeah. Because I think now, after
having rediscovered ball thrower, it's just been my audit
autoplay on on the, on the either on YouTube or through, is
it audible? Yeah, I can just paint and
listen to that. But if I Never yeah yeah yeah
the classic one. So people enjoy that didn't
didn't blast your eardrums out but make how you been all right
yeah pretty good been working a lot.
So now I've got some time off to catch up on painting.
Wilson, what are you doing? Still jane still hybrids and
things like that, but I've also been following a video minisode
Ed put out on his channel minisodes on YouTube and he's
basically got a second edition Warhammer. 40K box set and he's
going through the motions of painting them and doing little
videos about it. And one he did was taking the
original cardstock terrain and sort of putting it on foam core
and then doing it up a bit you know and recommend people watch
the video. It's fun.
I did little tests sample. Basically gives a more 3D shape
to these little cardboard cutouts rain.
You get with the old box set so it was good fun to do.
Yes, that is a good point because I think he's just joined
that this court recently. Yep, we should give him a good
shout out because yeah, like he's very first video.
Was Bloody outstanding mate with them.
Yeah. Really enjoy that.
Good good. Good video to watch very easy to
follow along and clearly tells you what you need Yeah so you're
doing the same kind of trick what he was doing.
Basically reinforcing your car, stop buildings from second
division 40K with some nice phone call to bolt them out a
bit and add some extra details and that kind of thing is
actually more buildings. Yeah, yeah and mine are pretty
old. So you basically end up sealing
them and it'll probably guard them a bit against wear and tear
over time even more. So like, you know, These are
pretty ancient pieces of cardboard, I'm using.
Yeah, I've actually saw someone on the second edition 40K
Facebook group, who had a new set of those cars or buildings
and actually framed it in a picture frame to hang on the
wall. Which is quite funny.
It's funny. But like I get it, you know?
Like yeah, I mean it's funny. I had some funny strange.
But like funny Ha-Ha yeah. Like if I had some now that I've
seen that, I'd be tempted to do it.
So that's on the year. Minisodes is the YouTube
channel. I will put a link in the show
notes for that, so go and support him and his endeavours
to make some really good high-quality content on YouTube,
which is always nice to see. And hopefully, that whole
project that he's doing, will continue into new videos and he
can build a whole library of classic second edition.
Maybe what am? I don't know.
But it looks like on the right track.
And he's got some skills. They're so good luck to him, so,
it's excellent. So what else?
Yeah, what else is on the agenda make from news, look, I got to
play a game of Warhammer quests in the remote gaming Channels
with Chris and yourself. And Tim, and that was really
fun. And I've got to say, like, I
Echo what other people in the Discord group say.
I've never really survived a quest of Warhammer Quest before.
It's Oh God, but this time we did like a little intro game and
I actually survived, and it's a hard game.
It's really fun to play together in a group especially with like
the remote gaming, especially when someone who's hosting it.
Has lovely painted Miniatures. So yeah, it's good fun man.
Yeah, I had fun to me. It was really my really first
proper game of one request and we had like it's kind of like an
introduction type of scenario. Like basically Chris put host of
the game. He said, look you know, will
plates Adventure? You do you take the dwarf-like?
I chose a dwarf and that we had table salt, which is Timothy.
He took the elf and you took the Barbarian and Chris too.
The wizard because this easy to manage because you have like the
magic cards of that kind of thing.
Yeah, but yeah, - it's awesome being a Cooperative game in that
you don't need a GM. It's awesome that you have all
the dungeon generated in a monster generated through cards.
I really like that. So I had a lot of good things
going for it, I mean, really glad to have the opportunity to
play it. And I want to say thank Chris
again for hosting it. So, we'll hopefully have more
Adventures. Soon in the future and a proper
campaign, so we get to choose. Maybe some of the characters
that came out through the Character Pack system.
So you had like, the Pips, The Pit Fighter, the trolls fell or
the yeah. I mean, I think we should maybe
draw, maybe maybe crispy just like draw it.
Like just have all those names on it on a bit of paper and put
them in a bag or cups on in. Destroy them outside.
Okay? You can play this character.
When I mean I'm really tempted to play the cows for it because
it be just nice that play something chaotic.
And sort of evil aligned in a party group rather than all the
good guys. So then you've got an excuse to
hold those health potions and not share them.
When the else can. That's right here.
You can play in character totally absolutely no idea what
his special rules are but imagine that he would go
something like buzzer corner like somewhat like a chaos Rage
or whatever. And you know, he's obviously
like the he's like the meat stick, basically got the party
and he'll just bash things. Yeah, looks.
We'll have to wait and see if you get the opportunity to play
with them. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, it looks really good. It's been pretty cool watching
Manowar games as well, which I never, when I was a young lad,
never got to see in action, and they're pretty fun.
Yes, in lot of fun. This, of course, this month is
made a woman, which is wrapping up today, because today is the
30th of May bring to the end of our challenge for Manowar.
And if I go to the Manowar section on our disk or group,
we've had some really good entries of people.
Posting up pics of their models, any any particular standouts for
you at all claim effects through this moment?
Man, there's been so many like really well painted stuff like
on across the farm but manner will wise the it's funny you're
going through like Albert has done some really cool 3D printed
ships that he modelled himself and painted, they're pretty
cool. Yeah, I really loved your your
niggle ships. Fantastic.
It's really good seeing Marcel. Up some as well.
And as per usual Captain Skyhook, stuff is legendary.
It's it's always surprising to see people's kids.
Also getting involved and painting stuff and working on
terrain. There's been a lot of that
lately and I think it sort of ties into young kids really like
art and craft like most of them, not all.
But if you can get them making stuff like terrain, you know,
like you're putting your kids to work for free.
It's great. Yeah.
Absolutely me. That was my bleep slave labor.
All right yourself like any standout Manowar, stuff that you
saw. Yeah.
I mean I saw is it? Yeah Captain Skyhawks his ships.
Look absolutely amazing. Yeah.
So you know hats off to him I think he sort of winds kind of
like in terms of like volume and quality of ships that he
painted, I think he certainly comes off as first place.
He's also got a nice picture of his looks like a mat or table
that he plays on with the cardstock terrain there as well.
To show up his pirate Fleet. So yeah.
Well, done team mate. I think you did a really great
job. I mean, if we did a really
Stellar job in the end, we'll get behind the whole theme of
the of the painting Challenge. And we came up with some really
nice entries, even if you didn't finish by the 30th, it doesn't
matter, just keep going, get your finished, get your ships,
painted, like Albert's doing at the moment.
There's also a good link on here that people picked up for
printing out your own cars. Because there were, there were
different additions to the game, some broke the game, some did
There are some really good additions for Manowar, such as
the one magic for the Orcs And had like custom cards.
You can give to your ships, that which, which are basically like
made a war cards and how to put those in color.
So BoardGameGeek is a really good resource for that.
So go and check that out. If you're looking to print out
your cards for you, man, o war games.
So yeah, so long, may that continue.
I hope people really get behind many Walkers.
It is really game. I had a few, I've hosted a few
games myself. Now, a played a game again with
With with Paul today and starting a campaign again.
So yeah, been a really fun Montalban award really, really
enjoyed it a lot. Just having a look, the Epic
space frame section, Bry posted up some really cool terrain that
he's been, like, I don't know if he made it himself for it if you
just got it. But the tiny little trees, very
good to see. Always, I've been on a real
terrain kick recently and seeing people making 3D versions of the
card Terrain. For Manowar has been really
awesome to including yourself. I saw you doing some like,
sandbars and islands and stuff. It doesn't matter, warm 8.
So yeah, I did those just from an award makes and 3D terrain
because I've only come to come to a billion iced tea D2D
terrain. It it's a like cardstock to rain
which is perfectly usable form an award, but you want some 3D
terrain. So I did that just for our games
today and yesterday. So but yeah, mate.
It didn't take much like honestly, it's like bare basic
kind of materials. It's very minimal, kind of
modeling supplies, just getting some pre-made textured paint.
Yep which has like a fine grit to it and just getting some blue
foam like insulation foam and the bases are user like a like a
hard foam. Styrofoam kind of thing that you
can sort of cuts and shape and all that.
Which is nice and firm because a nice solid base because I can't
cut, I can't get like a jigsaw for MDF and that kind of stuff.
So, those kind of things are just out of my reach.
So having that really hard, styrofoam base that I can cut
and carve, and that kind of thing, it makes makes a lot
easier to make terrain out of But yeah, I'm really into making
terrain, it's good. It's good to sit down and do
some stuff because at the end of it, you know you're going to use
it in your games all the time and it just makes the table a
lot better. Awesome.
It's good to have a community that you can sort of question
and propose what you're going to do and get the feedback.
Yeah, don't forget our terrain section because with the train
station here on the, on the Discord terrain Workshop.
Yeah. Go and check out those guys
working on stuff because Yeah, the come up with some really
amazing bits of terrain every now and again and they're quite
happy to share their secrets of how they actually got it done in
the end. So but anyhow that means we're
going to move on to our like an announcement for the giveaway.
We're going to give away a brand-new inbox or scorcher from
2nd edition. So that's right kind of X.
How can we win such a wonderful prize?
I think the the best way is going to do you're going to do.
This is by explaining how, a squatcher for second edition 40K
works. And I propose to do that in the
orcas where you can and you could make a video or audio file
and animation, you could dress up and make a video explaining,
you could use some or key looking blueprints, something
like that. And Yeah, try and figure out how
to ask what your works. And I think the best way to do
it is if the McCoy can explain how Spiritual Works.
And whoever impresses the wall boss, best is going to get that
item as a reinforcement. Okay, sounds good mate.
So yeah just I think it's will give you roughly like two months
to work on that project and whoever can explain how a
scorcher works in the orcas way possible.
So going to impress Josh, yeah, I will have to work out how
we're going to judge it and who's gonna judge it and that
kind of thing to pick a winner. But we might, we might bring it
to like the top five and then we have it sort of Voted on by the
community. I mean that would be nice too
but we'll see how we go. But basically it's based its you
know, I thought it'd be nice to tied in with our October.
So I'm going to draw it in October and then send it out in
that month. So 2 1 happy or play.
I hope we hope so yeah, looking forward to doing that.
So again, thanks to the wonderful donation by Tom to
send that to me, Tom young. So yeah, hopefully goes to the
right right person. It really needs it that Not me.
That's right. All right, buddy.
Anything else that you want to cover this month?
That's happened. Last two weeks.
Anyway, I think I would coming up to a necromancer month soon.
I'm starting to see pictures, pop up of people's painted
gangs. That's a very good point.
Yeah. Because because Nana Nana was
finishing up this month. So, starting from the first, we
will have a neck. Reminder, painting challenge.
If you would like to get part of be part of that, just join our
Discord and get your models out. You know, take a photograph of
your pledge, preferably unpainted models.
But if you got like semi paper models, that's fine.
And say, okay, this is what I'm going to paint for this month
and get to it and you know, post up your progress picks, you Get
some good comments and feedback from other people there and you
can, you know, share in end what other people are doing.
So that's going to run until the end of June.
And yeah, I'm really looking forward to seeing what people
come up with with their games. So be really cool fun and cool.
This and obviously cool to see people actually playing games
with a painted gangs at the end. So are you pledging anything
kind of fix for Necromancer move?
Yeah. I might work on these two
alternative model pit slaves that I got from hybrid
Miniatures. So I'll post them up bare metal
and see how I go in the next couple of weeks.
He's awesome at work. I will look forward to seeing
your progress on that and yet keep us posted on what happens
with the Necromancer painting challenge.
So guys, were going to wrap it up here and we're going to go
into an interview for this, for this podcast, which is with
Matthew McLean. Matthew is from the tabletop
miniature hobby podcast. I was fortunate enough to or
fortunate to be part of his podcast.
Few months of going out, talking about his First white dwarf
actually, on his podcast. So I really enjoyed that.
So, I invited Matthew back on to mind talk about how he got into
the hobby. So I hope you guys enjoyed our
chat today. Yeah, it'll be good.
Yeah, but other than that make, thanks again, kind of fix for
coming to join with us. Mate, to talk about what's been
happening in the community. I'll see you on the next one.
Definitely mate. Thanks again, and take care.
We'll do cheers, man. So how did how did it all start
for you there? Like the tabletop mean?
It's your hobby podcast, like how did it all begin and the
podcast itself or later, you know, my own sort of hobby
stuff. We'll look at do the podcast
first and this. Yeah.
Head of that all originated and they had all come together
originally. Yeah sure sure.
So I'm I was I was basically looking at him just different a
media, hosting platforms, like different podcast.
Person and came across right side Coke which the shows hosted
on and thought just test this out, you know, let's do always
toyed with the idea doing some sort of Delvin and nostalgic
hobby content. So, I thought, let's just let's
just grab a couple interviews with podcasters that I listen to
and see what happens. So, I thought, maybe I'll do
three or four episodes and just see how it goes, but I really
enjoyed it. And just I've just kept doing it
and I'm on average getting Episodes out every couple of
weeks and idfc, they'll be periods in the future where that
might increase in at my decrease based on just life, getting in
the way. But him, yeah, I've had them,
Nathan from the board games Orchard.
I've had your cell phone and I've had done from pain all the
money's on. So I like getting podcasters on
because you're more likely to have a decent recording session
and yeah, well you think so, but my recording setup is is very,
very basic terribly. So But yeah, that's interesting.
My all right. So so daily back into the past
now and we sort of touched on this.
When I was on your podcast, we looked at your first white
dwarf. So, how did you actually
initially get into the hobby? Yeah, I think I think it was I
was sort of in nine and we were on holiday, do in an England.
And we run this shop that dead dim just all sorts of your gifts
and stuff like that. But they had a they had this set
ideal combat cards, don't know if you ever had a deck of those
and you'll combat cards, it was like and you got a deck and it
was the ones I got word Orcs and goblins.
So I was totally unaware that, you know what?
University came from or what eternally think about that when
you're, when you're like small, but I just really like the
aesthetic like to look at them. So managed to talk my mom into
buying them for me and then played played about with them
for a couple of years. I think.
And then one day because I was looking through them and you
seen things like Snot lands and I thought that was really funny
really cool at the time and then was an unused agents, A
newsagent, sorry, a couple years later and just randomly Chanced
Upon Our white dwarf magazine and was flicking through that in
the shop and lo and behold and the catalog Pages was a snot
lens. So I put the joined the dots
together and thought this is kinda the same thing in it and I
could actually buy these like models.
So again managed to talk my mom into buying me the magazine not
that day. But you know, I have told that
enough that we went back and got it and one of them whether
you're just came to pouring over the pages of white dwarf.
And and I think it was around that time I got The Battle
Masters game. So that was like the the rank of
flank but boxed game rather than what Hammer.
So I think it was kinda the same ideas heroquest with Games.
Workshop at what were? I don't know what was that.
Milton Bradley. Was that the community, you
know, really that's the one or yeah, sure.
Oh a lovely model pose managers and ennui trees and that was
great, you know, played that for a few years before.
Finally, won one busted manager to get.
What hammer? Itself.
And what a my fantasy battles, always get confused with the
additions. But I think it was started the
one with a Elves and the Goblins fourth edition, mate.
Yeah. Fourth edition.
Yeah, I always always get mixed up in my bed.
My lesson I'll show at me if I have any.
Yeah. Got that.
And fortunately had a, you know, I'll be going to propose and we
all kind of got a net. I can't remember if I was the
first or maybe my friend had heroquest and he was came to the
force. But anyway, we were getting
together and play. Playing games, not quite
properly. But the main thing was we were
getting the managers out and just rolling some days and and
doing a really bad job of trying to paint them.
So yeah. Got really got really and and my
childhood and like you hear so many people saying, you know,
you get any your teens and specially your late teens and
that just kinda drifts away for a way back which happened and
then back an adult life. A couple of years ago just
always always had that we thought the Back of my head like
maybe, oh, maybe I'll just get back into that.
And obviously, I didn't know about him.
I didn't know about what hammered been ended and the new
games that they had these days. So I just kinda thought it would
be the same and the Games Workshop.
But when I had a look in that, I couldn't really I just couldn't
get into it. And then when you start looking
online, you find that there are actually am communities on going
with the old games, your model still there set.
That's kind of weird. I've landed and I've got a whole
thing like yourself, Josh of no real interest and the modern
stuff, no disrespect. Anyone that does by just doesn't
do anything for me. So Yeah, my that's fair enough.
Yeah, it's funny, isn't it? Because like, you know, I've
always in retrospect. Always look back at the 90s and
look at through the catalogs and white dwarves.
You see a bunch of young kids in those gamesmanship stores.
Don't you like all wiring and all that kind of thing over the
demo tables and that kind of thing?
But, you know, if I look at something like the Warhammer
world event, this was last weekend celebrating the Horus
heresy release, and that kind of thing.
The whole, you know, the whole demographics change big time,
isn't it? Like there's no young kids in
stores. These days, it's all kind of 30s
to 40s to 50s, kind of thing. Now, isn't it?
I Amina curious about that myself because I've not been in
the shops and much effort at all, you know, a couple of times
in the past few years. I've never attended by like, a
painting or something, but yeah, certainly didn't go in there and
see anything I can to the old photos that used to C & white
ball. So you're saying, like just stay
put two kids with a, with a ball.
Cuts because it was like, 93 or whatever the big baggy at last
year's. These are that was definitely my
look back in the day. But and I get curious too.
I don't know if it's our and I've cleaned it done a lot of
stuff on the honored honored podcast like had a lot of
conversations about that. I just don't know if it's a
competition with other other than interests and hobbies these
days because the attention economy has never been so
powerful, the pull of computer games and Line and attractions
is never been so powerful. So I don't know if it's that or
F that are still those bubbles out there.
Em, but Young Folks are really an hour and I've just not come
across it, which is entirely possible as well.
Yeah, it's really weird. Isn't it?
Because like, you know, I think that now, modern Games Workshop,
there ain't a lot of kids in those stores now, mate, I think
the basically being sucked up by computer gaming and Games,
Workshop is sort of just hanging on with every limb.
They can of all the awesome, you know, that The did the
generation that was there, back in the 90s and 2000's and that
kind of thing and hanging on to them as they're kind of the new
customer base. They're sort of targeting.
Now they they maybe got professional jobs, I've got
probably a large incomes, may be, they're single and they have
a lot of, you know, Expendable cash to spend it all this kind
of stuff. Money must be a huge Factor as
well. Like I'm deaf, I'm not seeing it
was a cheap back in the day, obviously, like, I had many,
huh? Many saw that no argument with
my mom and dad but trying to explain to them that for this
tiny box of plastic guys you know this is good value because
obviously they weren't they were paying for that if it was a
birthday or something like that but and you won that.
No. You know, if you were a kid
going in there that the places that I won, even to even as an
adult with Wage comment on you think.
Oh, I don't know about that. You know?
I mean I'd be frightened to know how much it would cost to build
our an army up for any other games and I'm assuming you're
talking well into the hundreds. So again that much that must be
a huge Factor, it'd be very easy for him to talk.
I carried out of it and just see you know cannot just get ya.
You can get like what am I computer games, don't you.
So, maybe they could just see, I'll just get you this computer
game instead I'll be better and if the kids not totally bought
and at that point, we'll probably be more than happy with
that. So yeah, idea of see the places
are a big issue too, because a lot of younger for Games
Workshop, as is what will come across first.
They won't, they won't know to go online and, you know, start
looking at the head, the manager companies that we kinda look at
these days or the same kind markets or stuff like that so
yeah. Yeah, it's really interesting
time. Is it in the hobby?
I don't know it in one hand. I can't see exponential growth
in terms of younger Generations coming through and you know, you
touched on Battle Masters before year, which is, you know, of the
three signature titles. It came out space for Sadie
request and Battle Masters. They were a massively commercial
successful Games Workshop because not only did it enabled
them to To access Miniatures in some kind of board game or like
almost like a tabletop simulation like a war game.
But it allowed them to, you know, secretly put in those, you
know, little Cal catalogs or those little addresses to say,
Hey, you know, send away here to Nottingham in the UK will send
you a painting guy and that kind of thing to get their foot in
and to recruit all these young players into the hobby.
But I just don't see that now. And Really weird it.
So I have really weird transition.
I just don't see many young people and I'm talking like you
know 16 to 18 year olds getting into wargaming they maybe that's
why just my very narrow tunnel vision perspective here.
Maybe that's that's the case but I just I just find it's all like
30 to 40 to 50 year olds playing war games now.
Yeah, I mean my perspective as to seem unlike you I can't trust
that Philly because I'm so like, I know almost nothing about
anything. So I'm just in this tiny back
on. I'm sorry, I could be totally
wrong, but yeah, in my own experience and which is fairly
limited think that, that is the case.
And I just always curious and all the, and all the brought
heroquest back decently in some form.
Or other than that, I wonder what impact that would have a
seat if they remade the TV advert, or just put the old one
on again, even things like that. You know, people as far as I
know, they don't really watch linear TV.
Anymore. So I don't have many people even
see television adverts because it's just sort of Netflix and
Prime. So, yeah, wouldn't be, it
wouldn't be quite the same Journey for them nowadays.
I suppose if they wanted to tap into that, but him I think they
do make him. Somebody was saying on on my
sure that they make some kids books, or something like that
Games Workshop. I've never checked that out
before but probably true, but that's an interesting angle I
suppose. Yes, it's the same as like it's
a, it's a future where it's very unpredictable, especially for a
lot of people wanted to, you know, get into like making their
own, you know, having starting up their own company or
whatever. As to, who their target audience
is going to be. Is it going to be like the young
kids trying to get them into something?
Maybe board games have replaced? It in a lot of ways, I think
board games just been massive commercially since Kickstarter
can about you. See, so many kickstarter's
coming up with board games? Maybe it's more of a family
orientated thing where, you know, the father buys the board
games for the for the family. So much choice now, whereas, you
know, in our, in our generation, You know, you went to the toy
store or the department store and basically what you saw is
what you got and that was it, but now it's totally different.
Maybe board games are replacing our tabletop or games in a way.
Yeah, it's a good point because like, you see, I think, I think,
like you've said, they had portal games are huge and these
days, you know, the potentially never been stronger of an
industry. And even when you go in a sort
of conventional shop, you will see some some really cool stuff.
You know, unconventional stuff is not just your monopolies and
things like that, like you'll see.
So may I got a couple and last year and one of them escaped
from the Dark Castle store managers game.
Sex is very similar to the bill fate and fantasy books.
So you've got these cool old looking illustrations and you're
going through this m dot Castle has to take over says and you're
just fighting monsters and things like that.
So board games like that, you wonder, you know, if a young
person got any that that potentially as I sort of Gateway
enter may be getting under the manager stuff as well and then I
suppose you could even look at popular culture.
Her like I was never a D&D player.
I bought stranger things that the TV show had quite a lot of
references to and I wonder again I'd expect at least some people
would have gotten it in D through that and by proxy gotten
a manager. So we'll take what we can as a
poser. Yeah, it's funny.
Is it because like I came through from the here, request
generation as many people did in my probably my age group at that
time, which included Miniatures. And Would something totally
different and completely different to anything I've ever
played before and that sort of got the ball rolling as to, wow,
you know, there have been issues and you know, these wonderful
looking designed in there was this fat, it's fantasy, it's not
Monopoly, it's not, you know, all these really common big
commercial kind of games at the time is radically different.
And yeah, that got that got In the into or give me as many as
men and to Miniatures and painting.
And that kind of thing painting miniatures as as many people, I
suppose would share that same story.
So it's really weird because, like, you know, now we're
probably seeing the same kind of thing.
Maybe with the he requests, Hasbro release, maybe that will
spark. You know, people into finding
more about Miniatures and miniature wargaming it or just
tabletop gaming generally? Yeah, it's a funny kind of cycle
going through at the moment. Yeah, and again you look back at
him, the opportunity for some date again and the 90s or 80s or
whatever. Like, went up one of those, we
catalogs, you talked about the Cayman hero Quest, or games like
that made enter your house or your bedroom, or your first copy
of white dwarf or, you know, any copy of white dwarf.
I did those things to the the covers were coming off them, you
know, poured over them. Because back then, like the
biggest better technology. I had in the house was a
commodore. He for hadn't have a access to
the end on that. So you wonder, you know, even if
these either of these things you get them at some of these House,
the movie only look at them once F at all, because there's
infinite possibilities on the internet, you know, for all
sorts of entertainment. And so it's a tougher challenge
for the hobby I think. But now you'll be interesting to
see how that pans over the next few years.
Mmm, yeah, absolutely. So what kind of games are
Resting interesting to you or are you interested in at the
moment? So, plain about a range of the
Shadow deep and baijiu McCulloch who's based on for frost grave.
So manager, agnostic and Skirmish game fantasy, Skirmish
game and bought me in robot. I've been playing Rangers, a
shadow deep because it's a kind of solo / Co-op game.
So we decided to start a we campaign on that and that's been
great with. Done a couple episodes on the
podcast, just talking about how we go on because we're learning
the ropes with it. But Jules game systems that just
really good. And I know it's on much over
said or overused face but the, the easy to learn hard to
master, but I think that really does apply it has stuff.
And so we're able to pick up pretty quickly, still meeting
the odd mistake. But what to read through a
couple of scenarios so far more, just trying to get together to
play the next one. And and then we did our We did a
gamer, a song, a bleeds and heroes as well.
So I really like that. One is our introductory game as
very, very simple, still fun but very simple must apologize, by
the way, but my daughter has an honor that this is an ongoing
thing million podcast these days.
Yeah, she's not happy about some yet again.
That's a very good background music.
Very good. But I know actually just play a
cassette with that, but in I saw me It's in Heroes as a really
good game to pack up, especially if you want to play with
somebody who's just never done a manager game before.
I think that's a really good introductory game and open
combats another, we scan machine my light and so play that a few
times. So yeah, I'm quite end of the
the smaller scale stuff and I've been tentatively building some
armies insects mm because I'm interested in doing like a
scaled-down version. Version, ER, what Hammer is
games basically. So just because this year room
that you need to like yeah, I know you play a lot of Warhammer
fantasy battle structure. You've got a big sex for table
set up. Yeah, that'll cook.
Yeah. It just squirted it just now
Lee. Squeezes into this room and
playing in. Yeah, we're did.
You actually did you did you make the table over multiple
tables? I thought like I did.
You manage to buy one of that size.
It's really weird because in Japan, they have The odd sizes
for their sheets of MDF. So I had to kind to get like two
two big sheets and how ask the guy to cut them into certain
sections which he did. So I got a 4x4 out of that, you
know, combining two sheets together to two by four sheets
and then I felt I had some off cuts which I sort of glued
together and sort of managed to get another two by four sheet
together. So it's got its a separate
piece, which works well for me because you know, with my room
setup it's not No, I haven't got a dedicated space to have like,
a 6x4 table. Unfortunately, in Japan, we
don't have garages. The garage is kind of, like, one
of the things I don't know about the, about the UK but in
Australia it's almost like a guaranteed thing.
Like if you move into a house or you went out or whatever it
might be, you're always kind of a garage, a single single car
garage or double car garage, but in Japan, they just do not
exist. If you do have one, you're
incredibly rich, or wealthy, or whatever.
We're very fortunate. You have enough land space
Enough money to build one. So all our Gaming's, done inside
inside our rooms and that kind of thing.
So I don't have really a big enough space but have your cell
mate. Do you have room to put a big
table in where you are? No, definitely not.
No bought em up at my work. I've got a decent sized desk and
I think it's four foot square so it's not quite the six foot
forward foot. So if I go up there with, you
know what I wrote before, what planning a plea, I could clear
everything and say I've It's not and at least, you know, I don't
I don't have to clear out with that night.
I am because that fall was scared me.
You know, if I say up and the house and it has to be totally
put away that night and thinking, all that said, that's
a big task. So I'm always curious like if
you had the table set up permanently, would you just
leave the today in on it and stuff like that?
And then would you maybe just put like a sheet over it to
protect it from dust or like how would that I've done it before.
And, you know, I've just let it just let it set up.
I didn't put a sheet over the top of it, but my terrain is
actually put into it Throne. So separate containers or
instead of shelving units. We've got here for my terrain,
so if I did have something set up, it would be only for like a
couple of days. For example, example, the I
wouldn't I wouldn't leave it set up permanent, you know?
If it was like that when I had a dedicated room just to have a
table set up. Yeah, I'll probably have a
sheep. Keep covering everything to keep
the dust and that kind of stuff often.
But yeah, I mean, we can only dream currently.
Yeah, that's the thing like if you had to the big house and you
get the proper room with a huge table and stuff like that.
I think that's kind of what attracted me to this x mole
scale and just thinking about, like, could, uh, me come talk to
put on a recent episode, but could you almost make like a
travel Warhammer? You know?
Like, I've got this but this might that's like, 30 inch by I
don't know 25 inch or something and I'm like, just need like 12
sec smell regiments. Which basically have the same
footprint as a decent size. 28, mm.
Skill manager on so you don't need much at all.
And I know I know people like that 20 ml and I do too but just
to scratch at it. Sure the mice battle I think I
think it could be done on a coffee table if you got a sec
smell. So yeah maybe yeah I don't see
why not I mean I'm 10 And I would love to actually, I'd like
to play a game of Weimar with six mil Miniatures.
I enjoy epic as this a scale like six.
Yeah. Well anyway, so yeah.
You know, I played a lot of that in 40K with epic, so I'd love to
see it in whammer. That'd be great, but I saw some
guy on the old Hammer Community doing something very similar But
I think he was using quite, don't go away from here, but
maybe 10 min, or 15 mil, but he was actually basing individually
basing each miniature and then basically.
Yeah, but doing the very, very similar thing playing.
Third Edition will Hammer but scale down into like a 10 or 10
or 15 Mill, scale war game, having movement trays and that
kind of thing or everything in do individually based and it
seemed like a really cool idea. I like that.
I like sort of shrinking things down and I suppose we're in two
minutes as we like small things. Anyway, I'm always attracted to
something that's really small and find it very interesting.
But yes, I Rebellion against the skill.
Keep it like, nice. Get let's go smaller and they're
like, no work. You know, in 10 years this
manager is going to be bigger than you.
This is maybe it is. But you know, for my eyes I
think the bigger the better basically because for painting
and that kind of thing. Yeah.
I Quite a large model to work with the smaller stuff is really
hard to to sort of pick out the details and that kind of thing.
So I'm very less fussy about those those girls but on the
opposite Spectrum with regards to time and you know I can knock
out a 6 mil in a unit of or Detachment or something like
that in a couple of hours. You know, the main like it's
really easy just to knock out a whole Army out in the weekend.
If we're a weak-kneed Be so I like that aspect to it as well.
Yeah, I'm with it. This x function offers.
Well, it's more them. It's more.
The look of the army. Isn't that than the look of the
single manager on the the BBS like, look T cubed talk would be
scrutinizing. The the miniature one of the
managers itself is more like how does this add me look on the
table when it's all put down. Yeah, I think you know for like
40 K, you know, like second edition.
I never played a lot of Back in the 90s but the Epic I played a
lot of and I really loved it because of that you know that
that's the the scope of scale you get when you look down and
see all these little Miniatures lined up, there's something
about that that scale that really interest me and yeah,
just captivated me for so long. Yeah and with a great rule set
to accompany it as well at Pro makes a big difference but yeah
I'd love to see what have a played on a much smaller scale.
I was actually hoping they'll going to do that with the the
new old world war hammer game. I was really really hoping
they're going to bring them in the air, like a tiny scale, like
six or ten Mill. I'll be really Keen to see what
that would be like, but unfortunately, they're going to
go back to 28 Mill, which Yang and quotation marks 20 ml.
Yeah. I mean, it makes makes sense.
I mean, you know, they're a miniature company.
They're going to sell bucketloads of miniatures.
With the with the game systems at that, you know, that doesn't
surprise me, but yeah, Walmart is a good alternative to that
you've got. I sort of dabble that dabbled in
that one about that in the year 2000.
When it first came out, did you ever play War Master?
No. No I was kinda where the time
saw a. It's all our game.
I've had the boot retrospectively.
Yeah. But was that sex or 10?
Well that's actually 1516. Yeah yeah, I don't know.
What a funny scalar, the Piston, the life.
I think they make something really unique or a scale, bro.
Unique, I don't know whether they started with 50 ml and
other companies did 15 me laughter.
I'm not really sure what I know about the history of that, but I
always assumed it went from six mil to 10 mil 228 Mill and then
they thought, oh, well Bagram will do 15 mil just a screw
everybody over because maybe 50 ml was not a fake favored scale
at that time, but I don't know. I'm just guessing that it's like
Here making their own, like they said.
Oh yeah, wardrobe. But it's got like a tool in it
that you've never seen before. Like, nobody owns.
Like that's just. That's right. 8:45.
Good together. Yeah.
Stanley put it together with India.
As far as I know, I don't build the furniture noise much better.
I just think what we in have a cup of tea.
But yeah, War Master. Yeah, try Walmart because I
reckon you can play at any scale.
I don't think it's I don't think it's, you know, solely a 15 mil
game you can wait in 28 Mill. Using wore masks rules.
You can play them, 6 ml, 10 mL, whatever.
Yeah we should knock that around that, let's have a look at that.
You probably find a real cheap copy somewhere on you know,
second hand market. And that's all you need to get
started. I think it was just basically
just one rule book that was it. So enjoy the array of enjoyed
your M. Epic space, meaning episodes
because that was another box. I went on to own when I was
three and it was one of those packages that made you feel like
you are, you were really rich because of the amount of trips
on it. So that you're used to not
having many managers and I was really wasteful with it.
This stuff in it, like again, never played it properly, used
to sit the cardboard buildings up and just sort of Passover.
Out Weaver. But I was really wasteful with
the managers because it seemed like I had so much of them.
So I used to make these rubbish little dioramas and stuff and
you know, gluing them and they're like little bits of
scenery and just because it felt like you had loads of stuff and
what she did, that was just tiny.
So, Yeah my nose the best set and week pussy went on to say
that, you know it was the it was the like the blueprint like
basically this set basically this box set was the predecessor
for all the other box sets that came after it.
Because you know, had all the Miniatures in it, had this
scenery in it and all that kind of thing all in one box which
became so successful that they said, okay, we'll do that for
him. I'll do it for 40 K and and so
on and so forth. So we've got we've got epic to
thank for that. Epic Space Marine second
edition. Because if I remember correctly
to em, they had like spaceman in zorks and Elder, and the Box.
Whoa! Hello weird.
Like to put three different armies and I don't know what
love. Do you know what the reason was
for that? Probably because they had, I
think they already had the Miniatures made for the first
edition Space Marine. the first edition space main had just
Space Marines in it and rhinos, And land writers although I'm
not expert. I've never played the first
edition space me, but I'd imagine they had those models
already made and caught up in that kind of thing.
And then later they introduced rules for Elder and aux and that
kind of thing for this first edition Space Marine.
So they had all that they had all the that all the models made
and tooled up everything. So they probably thought.
Okay well, but so many of these sprues we'll just going to Chuck
them in the box. So people have a choice of three
different armies. They can try them out and play
them, you know, with their friends or whatever.
And then they've got the ideal starting basis for the
collection. And that's how we looked at it,
too. Because I think I took the
Marines and my friend, Chris, you took the Elder and the Orcs,
And then we just bought the at that time.
You could buy an entire, like, off orc Battle Force.
I think was called in the, the, we're all called.
I think was and Space Marines have their own sort of Box and
that kind of thing. You just bought so many villages
in one box, it was just amazing. So we really latched onto Space
Marine because it was the cheapest way to get into playing
wargaming and yeah, we never regretted it because I think
it's still one of the best games ever made.
Yeah, not much more accurate depiction of that, what all
these? You imagine though that
universes you imagined it like when you saw the other stations
and white dwarf of for here, whatever it was it was massive
like my Massive scale. And obviously when you do it and
28 has just asked and mash like still still great, but you can't
deny, it's just a skirmish. Whereas, if you're going epics
be spending, you really can do that like, massive scale, Titans
walking about skyscrapers and just hundreds and hundreds of
troops as well. So, Yeah, that's that's that's
exactly right. Because yeah, 40K off at that
wonderful 28 Mill, Skirmish simulation.
If you like, which you didn't really need a lot of Miniatures
for, I think, for Road trailer and for a second edition, which
is good. It's one of the one of the
bonuses about that. But epic epic.
You look at one of the John Blanche illustrations as
black-and-white drawings. He did in a lot of those epic
Space Marine or other white dwarf, Publications that he
made, you know, he really, you know, made these kind of scenes
that felt epic and in a sense you still, there's the massive
scale with the Titans and the background and and the the
troops, the Marines or Elder whatever might be in the
foreground and it brought this Massive battle, scaled
illustration, and sort of Imaging in, you know, in your
mind. And you could really play that
out with playing Epic. You probably couldn't get that
sort of sense with 40K and all the sort of modern iterations of
Apocalypse or all those kind of large-scale.
Titans just doesn't really look the same.
I was talking to somebody else about that as well through the
week. You know, all those Twenty Eight
mil, scaled Titans and that kind of thing for the modern 40K.
Okay, it doesn't really weird on a 6x4 table, you know, almost
need like a 20 foot by 10 foot table to make it better.
You know what I mean? Or plate on the floor outside in
the garden or whatever? Yeah, it doesn't even know that,
that damn you'd be almost you feel most better just dressing
up as Italian yourself stomping about him.
I like that idea cosplay and I think they call them cosplaying
as a, that's a Titan and I've just accidentally stood on your
you. Yeah.
That's um. Yeah.
When you know and I think fantasy could be used in the
same sense, you can get that grand scale of commanding a huge
Army on the tabletop just by reducing the scale and deep, do
you come across? Companies are making stuff for
epic space meeting like sort of modern style stuff for stuff
that they're still producing, like, unofficial managers if you
like. Yeah.
There are a couple of companies quite Miss ones.
Vanguard Miniatures is one and they produce a lot of six mil
stuff, based on Space Marine epic.
So the names will be different, but obviously if you look at the
models themselves, that they're clearly based on the early 2nd
edition designed and that kind of thing.
It says, Vanguard, I can't think of the other name.
Sorry. And I have to put in the show
notes for people because they'll know those be Amazing.
I bloody idiot. You should know these ones.
But yeah, there's two main ones I think that operated out of the
UK and they make resin models and they base it.
You know, they've extended the range is from Second Edition all
the way through to 40K. Like you've got sisters a
battle, you've got you know, dear, I said necrons and the
what's the other one's called awful-looking alien things?
Collagen still have standards. That address is a great.
I like those ones called again, little hoax little like aliens
because you got the necrons which are like the, you know,
that the T100 Terminators and then we had the other guys who
look like they're out of space, like they'll look like Japanese
kind of aesthetic by their toe, that's it.
How thank you. I was called a sort of modern
iterations in that will sort of, you know, put into 40K
integrated into 40K. They've got those designs now
and ethics been around for a very long time.
So it's been through, you know, epic 40K and under again.
So they've tried of expanded the range to Encompass all those
systems and all the different races are take up 40K as well.
So yeah. Make you know you're probably
living in the best time now to get all your epic stuff from you
know various manufacturers whether they be in resin or
metal and all the different kinds of armies you can get Yes,
yes, maybe no need that back end of that at some point in the
future. Once I once I complete my
current goals because at that again, there's so many good
companies out there, doing really good to like, new new old
stuff. If you like, like I've heard you
mention, Nate made a lot and I really liked them too.
I think I've spent a fortune there over the last couple of
years and DieHard. There's another company of
bought from a lot ACP models, meddling, man.
Teachers think these are all uk-based and other world
managers, I think as well. They've got an exceptional
range. So if you go on any of the
apologize to anyone, I've just cost them a fortune because any
other words it's a it's one of those suddenly you've dropped
like 80 pounds on a on a couple of things or apologies in
advance for anyone else just it, that's better wages by pulling
those out of their wallet, right?
That's that's what you're doing, but that's why as My dog just
constantly cries cause she's got.
No one hands of it. I've just got lured to on
painted Miniatures but you're totally useless to her.
Yeah, but yeah. Hopefully, one day might she be
playing games with you? That's for sure.
That'd be good. I will hopefully.
Yeah, we'll start. We'll start with a, we'll start
with the old song of leads and Euros, Nathan accessible, and
then maybe I better Shadow deep and about a frost grave.
And well, what could we up? Will end up with a big big sex
by Ford? A table covered with screaming.
It had a now. So she must have proven her.
She she she obviously he owes me not having any of that you
loser, but we're going to take a quick break because as Zoom is
running out of time here, but have a quick Refreshments are
check on your daughter and we're back in just a little bit.
Well, that was that talk about, so we talk about epic.
So that's that's a good. That's a good scale.
The to venturing to, especially for people who don't have a lot
of money. Right?
Because, you know, it's expensive, especially if you
need, if you want to start collecting stuff from the 90s.
I mean, make our Scopes like cats.
I saw you want your profile picture on your podcast is a
cast or plastic hausdorff, how many of those?
I mean, shamefully, I The that from my three-year-old, nephew.
When my when my brother when me and my brother were younger my
brother's a he had some chaos dwarfs, it had the same thought
as well which is sadly gone missing somewhere broken the
pieces and but I will say, I was over at my mom and dad's one
day. So I'm sitting on the road
Grandma my nephew's got this whole box of Lego that used to
be my brothers and days just pulling bits and pieces out my
plane and he pulls this it more I will pose chaos dwarf.
Oh, I'm like cool. Oh, well, I'll just look after
that. And it's like that in my pocket.
So I had to go home and pin it up and so, yes, stole it from a
three-year-old child, that's a makes makes me, it makes me not
very proud. But you know, I like to think of
him but about a pin on it and they give it a better theme on
the front of the podcast. So what you do is give a bag you
can get back. Yeah, and watch him destroy it.
You could get one of my quest or Talisman.
I think Talisman had a carrot, yeah, character.
Now I I've got I've got a cool chaos towards that I bought from
one of the companies I mentioned.
Okay, may have been may have been CP models I got from so
little two-headed sort of chaos tour, tough guy.
But when you put them next to the model pose cast, while you
guys are actually beg like for being Wolf's essentially like
they are quite are quite tall models and find so and they're
very bulky as well. It's almost like little balls on
me. Yeah, balls of love if you want
one of those armies but you might you're going to be paying
through the, through the through teeth, basically.
Yeah, my brother, my brother had sweet, had a box, a box.
A monopole is chaos towards. He had the book and so the
Army's boot click, ok. If I remember correctly, it was
like a yellow cover and the guy on the it was I centered, wasn't
it? A flying bull, Centaur.
Is that right? Yeah, that's right.
Campion. And he had he had that as well.
That was one of them is well I said Tom because he few years
younger than me. So I said at the time a term f a
penis for ya, it might look a bit better so you let me think
that. So I came to track something.
I used to do that on the Mega Drive.
You know, if you let me do this level for the Army, do a better
job, And so if you feel for things like that, back in the
day, so I got to paint the center, another member of been
really satisfying to paint because it was just a bag.
You know, what's a raid on the skin and stuff like that?
I was doing a basic childlike level.
But satisfying, it's a classic Model at me.
Like, I should go to pay one of those to actually call somebody
as a commissioner was really good, really, really enjoyable
to paint that actually. So they've gone for a fortune
these days. I take it right there.
Just yeah, cuz cuz I'm sorry. Because people did really like
the cast was back then they weren't a very popular Army.
So surplus of Miniatures much lower in comparison to all the
other armies. Yeah, so that said if you're
lucky if you really want them Yeah.
It prepared be prepared to pay a lot of money for it, but if you
can find them in like any big army lot or whatever.
But yeah, if you've got if you got one, if you are actually
holding on to one day, hold on to it because it's probably
worth an absolute fortune in the future.
So yeah, but all the all otherwise you can just find an
alternative 10 for six mil or 15 mil cows to a fiber.
Which there are there's 3D printing options out there,
which are amazing. What's it called again?
What's a company called again? There's a company out there who
do a really good range of think that 15 mil minute shoes for 3D
printing and actually print them out for you as well.
I think the called, excellent Miniatures, but I'll leave a
note. I'll leave a link in the show
notes. Anyway, someone got me onto
those throughout this called, and I've checked them out and
they look pretty cool because they've got the same aesthetic
as the night. TS basically all the same style
so that basically the same Miniatures, just been, you know,
there's reduced down and shrunk down into 10 or 15 mil.
And yell after Jay though that said both have and haven't to
check that out because if I do could be financially disasters,
well, the good thing about it is they actually have a printing
service is great because half the problem with the printing
thing is that I don't have a printer and I don't really want
to get one for a couple reasons. But yeah, it's just nice to have
some service where they'll say, yeah, you can get these prints
and we'll print them and we'll send it to you.
And yeah. I think it's a really great
idea. So I've seen a lot of that one.
It's because I bought him something.
They don't actually last year on the I know there's obviously 3D
printed, but again, I'm always am dubious as to whether the
images. You see represent what you're
actually going to get ended and the package.
But it looks, it looks amazing. Like a lot of the stuff that
people are doing and I could just imagine like if you owned
one of these Planters you just you get drunk one night and just
print like 40,000. Things.
And then wake up the next morning.
I don't know. You probably wouldn't wake up
because you'd be poisoned with the fumes but just creating more
and more work for yourself so he'd have to have good
discipline. I suppose a few and one of the
things. Yeah, like well what about the
other day? Like, you know, putting out arms
and backpacks for Marines, you because you're only going to
secondary Market, you buy all these models, but they don't
have the arms and backpacks and stuff.
Yeah. So, you know, Putting all those
out is just ideal mean. People are actually, you know,
making those replicating, the same models, or scanning them in
or whatever. Yeah.
That, that is a resource is just invaluable.
So I totally Embrace that kind of part of the 3D printing
world. I think that's excellent for
things like you know, you your stuff that you're buying.
Now for all those old Miniatures that maybe having you know,
difficulties finding parts and that kind of stuff.
You can print them out. That's really invaluable.
Things like the Manowar, sail the masts and that kind of thing
where you can get the ships but you won't get the masts.
So you need us and you didn't bring them out things like At
11:00 battle wagon. You know, don't spend 300 pounds
on eBay to get one you can print one out it's been scanned, you
know, those kind of things they're plastic kits anyway, so
that you're basically getting the same almost the same thing
just being printed out in resin. Hey, I found myself mainly or
almost always buying me all these days because I just can't
be bothered with the plastic cats.
Like at least back in the 90s. Like when you open the box, the
miniature itself was in sort of One Piece like you maybe have to
glue a shield on on that. Yeah I am but I got a what was
that? I got.
It was just like covid hat and have everything was a bit to
lock down. And I thought, let me just let
me just buy a couple of boxes to paint whilst all this blows
over. So I Actually ordered modern
Games Workshop stuff. I got him necrons which you'll
love me forever. And but you like you like the
fact I hated them so much are sold them like a week later.
They were just absolutely torturous to put together,
nothing food as well. And I've got the kiosk mode
orders, which I think that older managers.
I mean, when I say all that, I think there may be 20 years old
a lot, but they're still on the go and and they're all right,
but I Just putting every our morning like you know every head
and I know that you could get cool unique poses and stuff, but
I just find out about our dress. So I like I like just stem
weapon around. Our male model will fail and
tidying it up and stick it on a base.
And that's me halfway there. So I much prefer that and I
think you get better-looking managers in the mail as well.
So, maybe you're a man after my own heart, I feel totally 100
percent because I like, you know, I did Infinity for a long
time and then Multi-part minutes is just drive me.
Absolutely Bonkers me. I can't I hate I hate doing it.
I just hate doing them now. And just that feeling of you
know when I first got my set of Buckman Miniatures, bug and
dwarf Miniatures, hang them all in one piece and I just you know
like you say this fire around the edges, take that mold line,
put them on the base, spray them, pay them.
And, you know, do you need to attach as a shield and Just the
feeling of painting those minute juices.
Gives me such incredible Joy, much much more than having to
paint any of the modern stuff. Mmm-hmm, something we send out
those old Miniatures, that has such great character that they
just can't capture that in plastic eye and that I find them
quite again. Bro, your models and new ones,
but I find them too busy. And you look at our regiment,
you know, whatever it might be swordsman of night.
So Dana's like All the neurons thing.
And, you know, that's just so much going on and I did it
doesn't doesn't please my. And as much as when you're just
staying at m30, high elf salt in the same sphere and the same
Shield stayed in the same way, I just like that, I static.
And again, it's very accessible as well.
If you want to build units and grab a box, put the guys
together and on the same day and have them under cord.
But now Oh, it's just old and I'm such a huge, huge task.
It's enough to put me off them. Yeah, Mike.
I totally totally sympathize you with the opens.
I've got some other condition to do for some either Sigma stuff
and yeah putting together is not fun fun.
Indeed, so yeah, but that's just the way things are.
I mean, I'll see him the other day, I'm sure.
There's there's generations of Gamers who got in through Games
Workshop or whatever, but never never had a middle manager who
have never seen one and there early.
The first contact with Miniatures have been plastic
Miniatures. Multi-part Miniatures that had
to put together so that's just a generational thing.
Yeah, and you know looking at the stuff they're doing now for
Horus heresy now it Games Workshop really nice-looking
miniatures. Almighty multi-part Plastics.
But, you know, that's just the that's, that's just the time
we're living in, you know, we've had the luxury of having all
that. All those LED models back in the
day. It's a totally different
industry. Now, I suppose that the one
positive in the Plastics, is, I'm pretty clumsy like attempt
to knock stuff over night and the Plastics, very forgiving
like a, you'd be doing well, with chips of paint, awesome.
But like it sometimes with the male models, it's like I've just
I've just touched it the wrong way and suddenly there's a bit
male shining through, I'm gonna have to go and repaint that.
So, again, that's just a mixture of my clumsiness and lack of
ability at actually painting this thing properly in First
place. But I do get the fear when I'm
putting a lot of meals on the table, just to see what happens
to them. It's a funny thing, isn't it?
Because, you know, like you get sort of snobby about things
because, you know, like, for one of my fantasy.
Yeah, that's we all metal, even though I've got some plastic
models in there, of course, my cabinets and stuff, but as we
all met older than epic, it's all plastic.
You know, it's like 9, it's like 95% plastic and 5% metal That's
a good point. Yeah, goes in your head, I don't
know what it is. It's obviously, a very
psychological thing, but there's something about it, you know,
that, you know, certain things fit in certain holes, if I can
put it that way. Yeah, let's play dead.
But I was just going to say this XML stuff that I've got.
It is very hard to clean up, like it's male.
So it's little strips of Miniatures.
It's, It's tricky to clean it up, so I I think that skill
lends itself to plastic, again, always the caveat that I know
almost nothing, but making a miniature other whatever.
But it seems to me like that skill lends itself.
Well, the plastic, but if you're going bigger than that M.
I like the mail just for the Simplicity and the heft.
Yeah. I feel like there's actually
something on the table. Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, it's a really neat thing, isn't it?
Like but then we can give a task to plastic Miniatures to so it's
really strange thing. Know what it is.
It's just in our nature. I guess.
I don't know as Gamers or collectors.
Yeah. So we can appreciate many
different things. I can appreciate epic
Miniatures. People think I'm nuts because I
think, well, what's really all that fantastic about them,
they're very, very simple models that I can really appreciate
those but I can appreciate a jazz Goodwin skaven mobile, for
example, or Alan Alan Perry, or Ali Morrison.
Dwarf or impaired Empire model. So in the same way.
Yeah. But I don't know any, I'm late.
It's been really fun talking to you.
I really enjoyed it. Thank you very much again.
Matthew for coming on and talking with me today, mate.
Yeah, thanks very much Josh. I appreciate the opportunity.
Like I said at the start, by planning your shoe lesson to
every episode and the other good accompaniment to my opinion.
So I keep up the good work as a great podcast.
But likewise, but I've enjoyed listening to your podcast ever
since I found out about it and I'll leave links in the show
notes for people go and check it out because you should go and
check it out what Matthews doing there with Robert, and what
they're doing on the table to Miniatures, hobby podcast, as
bedroom Battlefield, isn't it? Yeah, bedroom, Battlefield,
stock Commerce website in your tabletop manager, hobby podcast,
the most boring podcasting fast. It's a wonder You always forget
to you always get to know what your podcast Seibel is so
boring. So boring, I can't even
remember. Yeah probably and I let's say
let's get together on my podcast and we will have another we
chat. Yeah that'd be great I will
inform look forward to that anytime a girl.
Thanks again. Josh okay their followers might
take care. See ya.