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What kind of feelings you get 
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Realms? 
A lot of nostalgia? 

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I wish I had I wish I had that 
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track first order film fell in 
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heard the very first track on 
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The slaves of Darkness album and
I just got turned But but yeah, 

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that's an absolute, absolute 
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ball thrower. 
I thought, I'd just do that for 

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bit of fun. 
Every time we do it like a 

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podcast. 
We can throw up some nice 90s 

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music through one or more 
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Yeah. 
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having rediscovered ball 
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autoplay on on the, on the 
either on YouTube or through, is

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it audible? 
Yeah, I can just paint and 

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listen to that. 
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the classic one. 
So people enjoy that didn't 

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didn't blast your eardrums out 
but make how you been all right 

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yeah pretty good been working a 
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So now I've got some time off to
catch up on painting. 

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Wilson, what are you doing? 
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things like that, but I've also 
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Ed put out on his channel 
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basically got a second edition 
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going through the motions of 
painting them and doing little 

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videos about it. 
And one he did was taking the 

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original cardstock terrain and 
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and then doing it up a bit you 
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the video. 
It's fun. 

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I did little tests sample. 
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to these little cardboard 
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You get with the old box set so 
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Yes, that is a good point 
because I think he's just joined

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that this court recently. 
Yep, we should give him a good 

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shout out because yeah, like 
he's very first video. 

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Was Bloody outstanding mate with
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Yeah. 
Really enjoy that. 

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Good good. 
Good video to watch very easy to

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follow along and clearly tells 
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doing the same kind of trick 
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Basically reinforcing your car, 
stop buildings from second 

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division 40K with some nice 
phone call to bolt them out a 

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bit and add some extra details 
and that kind of thing is 

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actually more buildings. 
Yeah, yeah and mine are pretty 

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old. 
So you basically end up sealing 

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them and it'll probably guard 
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over time even more. 
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pretty ancient pieces of 
cardboard, I'm using. 

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Yeah, I've actually saw someone 
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Facebook group, who had a new 
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and actually framed it in a 
picture frame to hang on the 

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wall. 
Which is quite funny. 

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It's funny. 
But like I get it, you know? 

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Like yeah, I mean it's funny. 
I had some funny strange. 

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But like funny Ha-Ha yeah. 
Like if I had some now that I've

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seen that, I'd be tempted to do 
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So that's on the year. 
Minisodes is the YouTube 

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channel. 
I will put a link in the show 

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notes for that, so go and 
support him and his endeavours 

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to make some really good 
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which is always nice to see. 
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project that he's doing, will 
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can build a whole library of 
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Maybe what am? 
I don't know. 

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But it looks like on the right 
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And he's got some skills. 
They're so good luck to him, so,

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it's excellent. 
So what else? 

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Yeah, what else is on the agenda
make from news, look, I got to 

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play a game of Warhammer quests 
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with Chris and yourself. 
And Tim, and that was really 

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fun. 
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Echo what other people in the 
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I've never really survived a 
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It's Oh God, but this time we 
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I actually survived, and it's a 
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It's really fun to play together
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the remote gaming, especially 
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Has lovely painted Miniatures. 
So yeah, it's good fun man. 

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proper game of one request and 
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introduction type of scenario. 
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the game. 
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plates Adventure? 
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I chose a dwarf and that we had 
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He took the elf and you took the
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The wizard because this easy to 
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magic cards of that kind of 
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you don't need a GM. 
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the dungeon generated in a 
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I really like that. 
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going for it, I mean, really 
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play it. 
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again for hosting it. 
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Adventures. 
Soon in the future and a proper 

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campaign, so we get to choose. 
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that came out through the 
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draw, maybe maybe crispy just 
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Like just have all those names 
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them in a bag or cups on in. 
Destroy them outside. 

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Okay? 
You can play this character. 

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When I mean I'm really tempted 
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it be just nice that play 
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good guys. 
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hold those health potions and 
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When the else can. 
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You can play in character 
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his special rules are but 
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something like buzzer corner 
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or whatever. 
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like the he's like the meat 
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and he'll just bash things. 
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with them. 
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Manowar games as well, which I 
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never got to see in action, and 
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Yes, in lot of fun. 
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made a woman, which is wrapping 
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we've had some really good 
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Posting up pics of their models,
any any particular standouts for

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you at all claim effects through
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Man, there's been so many like 
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on across the farm but manner 
will wise the it's funny you're 

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going through like Albert has 
done some really cool 3D printed

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ships that he modelled himself 
and painted, they're pretty 

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cool. 
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niggle ships. 
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terrain. 
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lately and I think it sort of 
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art and craft like most of them,
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like you're putting your kids to
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It's great. 
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Absolutely me. 
That was my bleep slave labor. 

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All right yourself like any 
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saw. 
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I mean I saw is it? 
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Look absolutely amazing. 
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like in terms of like volume and
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painted, I think he certainly 
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that he plays on with the 
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To show up his pirate Fleet. 
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Well, done team mate. 
I think you did a really great 

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job. 
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Stellar job in the end, we'll 
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the of the painting Challenge. 
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nice entries, even if you didn't
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matter, just keep going, get 
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painted, like Albert's doing at 
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There's also a good link on here
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printing out your own cars. 
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different additions to the game,
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the one magic for the Orcs And 
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You can give to your ships, that
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made a war cards and how to put 
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So BoardGameGeek is a really 
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So go and check that out. 
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So yeah, so long, may that 
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I hope people really get behind 
many Walkers. 

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It is really game. 
I had a few, I've hosted a few 

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Now, a played a game again with 

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So yeah, been a really fun 
Montalban award really, really 

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enjoyed it a lot. 
Just having a look, the Epic 

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space frame section, Bry posted 
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he's been, like, I don't know if
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just got it. 
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good to see. 
Always, I've been on a real 

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terrain kick recently and seeing
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card Terrain. 
For Manowar has been really 

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awesome to including yourself. 
I saw you doing some like, 

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sandbars and islands and stuff. 
It doesn't matter, warm 8. 

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So yeah, I did those just from 
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because I've only come to come 
to a billion iced tea D2D 

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terrain. 
It it's a like cardstock to rain

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which is perfectly usable form 
an award, but you want some 3D 

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terrain. 
So I did that just for our games

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today and yesterday. 
So but yeah, mate. 

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It didn't take much like 
honestly, it's like bare basic 

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kind of materials. 
It's very minimal, kind of 

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modeling supplies, just getting 
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Yep which has like a fine grit 
to it and just getting some blue

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foam like insulation foam and 
the bases are user like a like a

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hard foam. 
Styrofoam kind of thing that you

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can sort of cuts and shape and 
all that. 

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Which is nice and firm because a
nice solid base because I can't 

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cut, I can't get like a jigsaw 
for MDF and that kind of stuff. 

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So, those kind of things are 
just out of my reach. 

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So having that really hard, 
styrofoam base that I can cut 

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and carve, and that kind of 
thing, it makes makes a lot 

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easier to make terrain out of 
But yeah, I'm really into making

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terrain, it's good. 
It's good to sit down and do 

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some stuff because at the end of
it, you know you're going to use

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it in your games all the time 
and it just makes the table a 

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lot better. 
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It's good to have a community 
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and propose what you're going to
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Yeah, don't forget our terrain 
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station here on the, on the 
Discord terrain Workshop. 

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Yeah. 
Go and check out those guys 

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working on stuff because Yeah, 
the come up with some really 

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amazing bits of terrain every 
now and again and they're quite 

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happy to share their secrets of 
how they actually got it done in

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the end. 
So but anyhow that means we're 

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going to move on to our like an 
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We're going to give away a 
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2nd edition. 
So that's right kind of X. 

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How can we win such a wonderful 
prize? 

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I think the the best way is 
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This is by explaining how, a 
squatcher for second edition 40K

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orcas where you can and you 
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item as a reinforcement. 
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we're going to judge it and 
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but we'll see how we go. 
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know, I thought it'd be nice to 
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that month. 
So 2 1 happy or play. 

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I hope we hope so yeah, looking 
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So again, thanks to the 
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send that to me, Tom young. 
So yeah, hopefully goes to the 

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right right person. 
It really needs it that Not me. 

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That's right. 
All right, buddy. 

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Anything else that you want to 
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That's happened. 
Last two weeks. 

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gangs. 
That's a very good point. 

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finishing up this month. 
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and get to it and you know, post
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can, you know, share in end what
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with a painted gangs at the end.
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kind of fix for Necromancer 
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your progress on that and yet 
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Matthew McLean. 
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miniature hobby podcast. 
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the hobby. 
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chat today. 
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coming to join with us. 
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happening in the community. 
I'll see you on the next one. 

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Definitely mate. 
Thanks again, and take care. 

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We'll do cheers, man. 
So how did how did it all start 

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for you there? 
Like the tabletop mean? 

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It's your hobby podcast, like 
how did it all begin and the 

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podcast itself or later, you 
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We'll look at do the podcast 

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first and this. 
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they had all come together 

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originally. 
Yeah sure sure. 

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media, hosting platforms, like 
different podcast. 

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Person and came across right 
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on and thought just test this 
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toyed with the idea doing some 
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hobby content. 
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three or four episodes and just 
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enjoyed it. 
And just I've just kept doing it

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weeks and idfc, they'll be 
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might increase in at my decrease
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the way. 
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Nathan from the board games 
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I've had your cell phone and 
I've had done from pain all the 

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money's on. 
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and yeah, well you think so, but
my recording setup is is very, 

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very basic terribly. 
So But yeah, that's interesting.

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My all right. 
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now and we sort of touched on 
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When I was on your podcast, we 
looked at your first white 

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dwarf. 
So, how did you actually 

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initially get into the hobby? 
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was sort of in nine and we were 
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dim just all sorts of your gifts

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and stuff like that. 
But they had a they had this set

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ideal combat cards, don't know 
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and you'll combat cards, it was 
like and you got a deck and it 

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was the ones I got word Orcs and
goblins. 

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University came from or what 
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you're, when you're like small, 
but I just really like the 

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aesthetic like to look at them. 
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buying them for me and then 
played played about with them 

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And then one day because I was 
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seen things like Snot lands and 
I thought that was really funny 

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really cool at the time and then
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newsagent, sorry, a couple years
later and just randomly Chanced 

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Upon Our white dwarf magazine 
and was flicking through that in

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the shop and lo and behold and 
the catalog Pages was a snot 

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lens. 
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together and thought this is 
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could actually buy these like 
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So again managed to talk my mom 
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that day. 
But you know, I have told that 

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enough that we went back and got
it and one of them whether 

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you're just came to pouring over
the pages of white dwarf. 

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And and I think it was around 
that time I got The Battle 

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Masters game. 
So that was like the the rank of

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flank but boxed game rather than
what Hammer. 

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So I think it was kinda the same
ideas heroquest with Games. 

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Workshop at what were? 
I don't know what was that. 

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Milton Bradley. 
Was that the community, you 

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know, really that's the one or 
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Oh a lovely model pose managers 
and ennui trees and that was 

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great, you know, played that for
a few years before. 

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Finally, won one busted manager 
to get. 

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What hammer? 
Itself. 

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And what a my fantasy battles, 
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additions. 
But I think it was started the 

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one with a Elves and the Goblins
fourth edition, mate. 

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Yeah. 
Fourth edition. 

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Yeah, I always always get mixed 
up in my bed. 

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My lesson I'll show at me if I 
have any. 

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Yeah. 
Got that. 

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And fortunately had a, you know,
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all kind of got a net. 
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first or maybe my friend had 
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force. 
But anyway, we were getting 

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together and play. 
Playing games, not quite 

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properly. 
But the main thing was we were 

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getting the managers out and 
just rolling some days and and 

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doing a really bad job of trying
to paint them. 

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So yeah. 
Got really got really and and my

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childhood and like you hear so 
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you get any your teens and 
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that just kinda drifts away for 
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then back an adult life. 
A couple of years ago just 

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always always had that we 
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maybe, oh, maybe I'll just get 
back into that. 

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And obviously, I didn't know 
about him. 

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I didn't know about what 
hammered been ended and the new 

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games that they had these days. 
So I just kinda thought it would

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be the same and the Games 
Workshop. 

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But when I had a look in that, I
couldn't really I just couldn't 

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get into it. 
And then when you start looking 

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online, you find that there are 
actually am communities on going

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with the old games, your model 
still there set. 

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That's kind of weird. 
I've landed and I've got a whole

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thing like yourself, Josh of no 
real interest and the modern 

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stuff, no disrespect. 
Anyone that does by just doesn't

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do anything for me. 
So Yeah, my that's fair enough. 

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Yeah, it's funny, isn't it? 
Because like, you know, I've 

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always in retrospect. 
Always look back at the 90s and 

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look at through the catalogs and
white dwarves. 

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You see a bunch of young kids in
those gamesmanship stores. 

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Don't you like all wiring and 
all that kind of thing over the 

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demo tables and that kind of 
thing? 

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But, you know, if I look at 
something like the Warhammer 

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world event, this was last 
weekend celebrating the Horus 

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heresy release, and that kind of
thing. 

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The whole, you know, the whole 
demographics change big time, 

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isn't it? 
Like there's no young kids in 

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stores. 
These days, it's all kind of 30s

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to 40s to 50s, kind of thing. 
Now, isn't it? 

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I Amina curious about that 
myself because I've not been in 

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the shops and much effort at 
all, you know, a couple of times

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in the past few years. 
I've never attended by like, a 

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painting or something, but yeah,
certainly didn't go in there and

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see anything I can to the old 
photos that used to C & white 

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ball. 
So you're saying, like just stay

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put two kids with a, with a 
ball. 

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Cuts because it was like, 93 or 
whatever the big baggy at last 

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year's. 
These are that was definitely my

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look back in the day. 
But and I get curious too. 

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I don't know if it's our and 
I've cleaned it done a lot of 

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stuff on the honored honored 
podcast like had a lot of 

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conversations about that. 
I just don't know if it's a 

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competition with other other 
than interests and hobbies these

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days because the attention 
economy has never been so 

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powerful, the pull of computer 
games and Line and attractions 

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is never been so powerful. 
So I don't know if it's that or 

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F that are still those bubbles 
out there. 

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Em, but Young Folks are really 
an hour and I've just not come 

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across it, which is entirely 
possible as well. 

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Yeah, it's really weird. 
Isn't it? 

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Because like, you know, I think 
that now, modern Games Workshop,

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there ain't a lot of kids in 
those stores now, mate, I think 

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the basically being sucked up by
computer gaming and Games, 

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Workshop is sort of just hanging
on with every limb. 

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They can of all the awesome, you
know, that The did the 

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generation that was there, back 
in the 90s and 2000's and that 

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kind of thing and hanging on to 
them as they're kind of the new 

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customer base. 
They're sort of targeting. 

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Now they they maybe got 
professional jobs, I've got 

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probably a large incomes, may 
be, they're single and they have

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a lot of, you know, Expendable 
cash to spend it all this kind 

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of stuff. 
Money must be a huge Factor as 

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well. 
Like I'm deaf, I'm not seeing it

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was a cheap back in the day, 
obviously, like, I had many, 

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huh? 
Many saw that no argument with 

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my mom and dad but trying to 
explain to them that for this 

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tiny box of plastic guys you 
know this is good value because 

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obviously they weren't they were
paying for that if it was a 

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birthday or something like that 
but and you won that. 

450
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,900
No. 
You know, if you were a kid 

451
00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:49,700
going in there that the places 
that I won, even to even as an 

452
00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:52,700
adult with Wage comment on you 
think. 

453
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:54,300
Oh, I don't know about that. 
You know? 

454
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:59,900
I mean I'd be frightened to know
how much it would cost to build 

455
00:26:59,900 --> 00:27:04,700
our an army up for any other 
games and I'm assuming you're 

456
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:09,700
talking well into the hundreds. 
So again that much that must be 

457
00:27:09,700 --> 00:27:13,600
a huge Factor, it'd be very easy
for him to talk. 

458
00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:18,400
I carried out of it and just see
you know cannot just get ya. 

459
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,100
You can get like what am I 
computer games, don't you. 

460
00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:24,400
So, maybe they could just see, 
I'll just get you this computer 

461
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,500
game instead I'll be better and 
if the kids not totally bought 

462
00:27:28,500 --> 00:27:31,100
and at that point, we'll 
probably be more than happy with

463
00:27:31,100 --> 00:27:34,000
that. 
So yeah, idea of see the places 

464
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,600
are a big issue too, because a 
lot of younger for Games 

465
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,900
Workshop, as is what will come 
across first. 

466
00:27:39,900 --> 00:27:44,000
They won't, they won't know to 
go online and, you know, start 

467
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,200
looking at the head, the manager
companies that we kinda look at 

468
00:27:47,208 --> 00:27:50,400
these days or the same kind 
markets or stuff like that so 

469
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,400
yeah. 
Yeah, it's really interesting 

470
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,500
time. 
Is it in the hobby? 

471
00:27:54,500 --> 00:28:00,200
I don't know it in one hand. 
I can't see exponential growth 

472
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:05,200
in terms of younger Generations 
coming through and you know, you

473
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,800
touched on Battle Masters before
year, which is, you know, of the

474
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,500
three signature titles. 
It came out space for Sadie 

475
00:28:11,500 --> 00:28:16,700
request and Battle Masters. 
They were a massively commercial

476
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:21,100
successful Games Workshop 
because not only did it enabled 

477
00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:27,100
them to To access Miniatures in 
some kind of board game or like 

478
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,700
almost like a tabletop 
simulation like a war game. 

479
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:35,000
But it allowed them to, you 
know, secretly put in those, you

480
00:28:35,008 --> 00:28:38,700
know, little Cal catalogs or 
those little addresses to say, 

481
00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:42,900
Hey, you know, send away here to
Nottingham in the UK will send 

482
00:28:42,900 --> 00:28:45,800
you a painting guy and that kind
of thing to get their foot in 

483
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,400
and to recruit all these young 
players into the hobby. 

484
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,300
But I just don't see that now. 
And Really weird it. 

485
00:28:52,300 --> 00:28:53,800
So I have really weird 
transition. 

486
00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:56,600
I just don't see many young 
people and I'm talking like you 

487
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:01,200
know 16 to 18 year olds getting 
into wargaming they maybe that's

488
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,700
why just my very narrow tunnel 
vision perspective here. 

489
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,700
Maybe that's that's the case but
I just I just find it's all like

490
00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:13,200
30 to 40 to 50 year olds playing
war games now. 

491
00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:20,100
Yeah, I mean my perspective as 
to seem unlike you I can't trust

492
00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:23,900
that Philly because I'm so like,
I know almost nothing about 

493
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:26,000
anything. 
So I'm just in this tiny back 

494
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,300
on. 
I'm sorry, I could be totally 

495
00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:30,600
wrong, but yeah, in my own 
experience and which is fairly 

496
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,300
limited think that, that is the 
case. 

497
00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:36,100
And I just always curious and 
all the, and all the brought 

498
00:29:36,100 --> 00:29:38,100
heroquest back decently in some 
form. 

499
00:29:38,100 --> 00:29:40,400
Or other than that, I wonder 
what impact that would have a 

500
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,200
seat if they remade the TV 
advert, or just put the old one 

501
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:49,000
on again, even things like that.
You know, people as far as I 

502
00:29:49,008 --> 00:29:51,200
know, they don't really watch 
linear TV. 

503
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,800
Anymore. 
So I don't have many people even

504
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,000
see television adverts because 
it's just sort of Netflix and 

505
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,000
Prime. 
So, yeah, wouldn't be, it 

506
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,100
wouldn't be quite the same 
Journey for them nowadays. 

507
00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:06,900
I suppose if they wanted to tap 
into that, but him I think they 

508
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:09,800
do make him. 
Somebody was saying on on my 

509
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,300
sure that they make some kids 
books, or something like that 

510
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:15,600
Games Workshop. 
I've never checked that out 

511
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:20,800
before but probably true, but 
that's an interesting angle I 

512
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:24,600
suppose. 
Yes, it's the same as like it's 

513
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:29,600
a, it's a future where it's very
unpredictable, especially for a 

514
00:30:29,608 --> 00:30:32,500
lot of people wanted to, you 
know, get into like making their

515
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:34,800
own, you know, having starting 
up their own company or 

516
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,900
whatever. 
As to, who their target audience

517
00:30:37,900 --> 00:30:40,000
is going to be. 
Is it going to be like the young

518
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,500
kids trying to get them into 
something? 

519
00:30:42,700 --> 00:30:46,000
Maybe board games have replaced?
It in a lot of ways, I think 

520
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,800
board games just been massive 
commercially since Kickstarter 

521
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,000
can about you. 
See, so many kickstarter's 

522
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,000
coming up with board games? 
Maybe it's more of a family 

523
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,000
orientated thing where, you 
know, the father buys the board 

524
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,200
games for the for the family. 
So much choice now, whereas, you

525
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:08,400
know, in our, in our generation,
You know, you went to the toy 

526
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,600
store or the department store 
and basically what you saw is 

527
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,200
what you got and that was it, 
but now it's totally different. 

528
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,200
Maybe board games are replacing 
our tabletop or games in a way. 

529
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,300
Yeah, it's a good point because 
like, you see, I think, I think,

530
00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:28,100
like you've said, they had 
portal games are huge and these 

531
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:32,600
days, you know, the potentially 
never been stronger of an 

532
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,200
industry. 
And even when you go in a sort 

533
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,700
of conventional shop, you will 
see some some really cool stuff.

534
00:31:38,700 --> 00:31:42,500
You know, unconventional stuff 
is not just your monopolies and 

535
00:31:42,500 --> 00:31:44,000
things like that, like you'll 
see. 

536
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,600
So may I got a couple and last 
year and one of them escaped 

537
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,000
from the Dark Castle store 
managers game. 

538
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,600
Sex is very similar to the bill 
fate and fantasy books. 

539
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,500
So you've got these cool old 
looking illustrations and you're

540
00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:03,300
going through this m dot Castle 
has to take over says and you're

541
00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:05,500
just fighting monsters and 
things like that. 

542
00:32:05,500 --> 00:32:10,200
So board games like that, you 
wonder, you know, if a young 

543
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,700
person got any that that 
potentially as I sort of Gateway

544
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:19,000
enter may be getting under the 
manager stuff as well and then I

545
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,900
suppose you could even look at 
popular culture. 

546
00:32:21,100 --> 00:32:23,200
Her like I was never a D&D 
player. 

547
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,300
I bought stranger things that 
the TV show had quite a lot of 

548
00:32:27,300 --> 00:32:32,800
references to and I wonder again
I'd expect at least some people 

549
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,800
would have gotten it in D 
through that and by proxy gotten

550
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,500
a manager. 
So we'll take what we can as a 

551
00:32:38,508 --> 00:32:40,600
poser. 
Yeah, it's funny. 

552
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,800
Is it because like I came 
through from the here, request 

553
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,600
generation as many people did in
my probably my age group at that

554
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:53,000
time, which included Miniatures.
And Would something totally 

555
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,000
different and completely 
different to anything I've ever 

556
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,600
played before and that sort of 
got the ball rolling as to, wow,

557
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,100
you know, there have been issues
and you know, these wonderful 

558
00:33:03,100 --> 00:33:07,100
looking designed in there was 
this fat, it's fantasy, it's not

559
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:12,400
Monopoly, it's not, you know, 
all these really common big 

560
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:17,700
commercial kind of games at the 
time is radically different. 

561
00:33:18,300 --> 00:33:22,400
And yeah, that got that got In 
the into or give me as many as 

562
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,700
men and to Miniatures and 
painting. 

563
00:33:24,700 --> 00:33:29,300
And that kind of thing painting 
miniatures as as many people, I 

564
00:33:29,300 --> 00:33:31,200
suppose would share that same 
story. 

565
00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:33,900
So it's really weird because, 
like, you know, now we're 

566
00:33:33,900 --> 00:33:35,200
probably seeing the same kind of
thing. 

567
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,000
Maybe with the he requests, 
Hasbro release, maybe that will 

568
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,200
spark. 
You know, people into finding 

569
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,300
more about Miniatures and 
miniature wargaming it or just 

570
00:33:45,300 --> 00:33:49,700
tabletop gaming generally? 
Yeah, it's a funny kind of cycle

571
00:33:49,900 --> 00:33:54,400
going through at the moment. 
Yeah, and again you look back at

572
00:33:54,400 --> 00:34:00,200
him, the opportunity for some 
date again and the 90s or 80s or

573
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,400
whatever. 
Like, went up one of those, we 

574
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,500
catalogs, you talked about the 
Cayman hero Quest, or games like

575
00:34:05,500 --> 00:34:08,900
that made enter your house or 
your bedroom, or your first copy

576
00:34:08,900 --> 00:34:11,500
of white dwarf or, you know, any
copy of white dwarf. 

577
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,000
I did those things to the the 
covers were coming off them, you

578
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,199
know, poured over them. 
Because back then, like the 

579
00:34:18,500 --> 00:34:20,900
biggest better technology. 
I had in the house was a 

580
00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:24,199
commodore. 
He for hadn't have a access to 

581
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:27,400
the end on that. 
So you wonder, you know, even if

582
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,100
these either of these things you
get them at some of these House,

583
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,800
the movie only look at them once
F at all, because there's 

584
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,100
infinite possibilities on the 
internet, you know, for all 

585
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:42,100
sorts of entertainment. 
And so it's a tougher challenge 

586
00:34:42,100 --> 00:34:45,699
for the hobby I think. 
But now you'll be interesting to

587
00:34:45,699 --> 00:34:47,900
see how that pans over the next 
few years. 

588
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:51,500
Mmm, yeah, absolutely. 
So what kind of games are 

589
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,699
Resting interesting to you or 
are you interested in at the 

590
00:34:54,699 --> 00:34:58,300
moment? 
So, plain about a range of the 

591
00:34:58,300 --> 00:35:02,800
Shadow deep and baijiu McCulloch
who's based on for frost grave. 

592
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:08,200
So manager, agnostic and 
Skirmish game fantasy, Skirmish 

593
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:13,300
game and bought me in robot. 
I've been playing Rangers, a 

594
00:35:13,300 --> 00:35:16,700
shadow deep because it's a kind 
of solo / Co-op game. 

595
00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:20,700
So we decided to start a we 
campaign on that and that's been

596
00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:23,200
great with. 
Done a couple episodes on the 

597
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,800
podcast, just talking about how 
we go on because we're learning 

598
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,500
the ropes with it. 
But Jules game systems that just

599
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:32,200
really good. 
And I know it's on much over 

600
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,800
said or overused face but the, 
the easy to learn hard to 

601
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,600
master, but I think that really 
does apply it has stuff. 

602
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,000
And so we're able to pick up 
pretty quickly, still meeting 

603
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,800
the odd mistake. 
But what to read through a 

604
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,200
couple of scenarios so far more,
just trying to get together to 

605
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,100
play the next one. 
And and then we did our We did a

606
00:35:52,107 --> 00:35:55,100
gamer, a song, a bleeds and 
heroes as well. 

607
00:35:55,300 --> 00:35:59,900
So I really like that. 
One is our introductory game as 

608
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:04,300
very, very simple, still fun but
very simple must apologize, by 

609
00:36:04,300 --> 00:36:07,900
the way, but my daughter has an 
honor that this is an ongoing 

610
00:36:07,900 --> 00:36:09,700
thing million podcast these 
days. 

611
00:36:10,700 --> 00:36:13,000
Yeah, she's not happy about some
yet again. 

612
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,500
That's a very good background 
music. 

613
00:36:14,500 --> 00:36:16,700
Very good. 
But I know actually just play a 

614
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:24,100
cassette with that, but in I saw
me It's in Heroes as a really 

615
00:36:24,100 --> 00:36:27,800
good game to pack up, especially
if you want to play with 

616
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,200
somebody who's just never done a
manager game before. 

617
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,000
I think that's a really good 
introductory game and open 

618
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,700
combats another, we scan machine
my light and so play that a few 

619
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:41,300
times. 
So yeah, I'm quite end of the 

620
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:46,100
the smaller scale stuff and I've
been tentatively building some 

621
00:36:46,300 --> 00:36:50,600
armies insects mm because I'm 
interested in doing like a 

622
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,400
scaled-down version. 
Version, ER, what Hammer is 

623
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,200
games basically. 
So just because this year room 

624
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,200
that you need to like yeah, I 
know you play a lot of Warhammer

625
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:04,500
fantasy battle structure. 
You've got a big sex for table 

626
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:06,300
set up. 
Yeah, that'll cook. 

627
00:37:06,300 --> 00:37:08,200
Yeah. 
It just squirted it just now 

628
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:09,700
Lee. 
Squeezes into this room and 

629
00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:12,400
playing in. 
Yeah, we're did. 

630
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,200
You actually did you did you 
make the table over multiple 

631
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,700
tables? 
I thought like I did. 

632
00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:18,600
You manage to buy one of that 
size. 

633
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,600
It's really weird because in 
Japan, they have The odd sizes 

634
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,300
for their sheets of MDF. 
So I had to kind to get like two

635
00:37:26,300 --> 00:37:29,200
two big sheets and how ask the 
guy to cut them into certain 

636
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,400
sections which he did. 
So I got a 4x4 out of that, you 

637
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,700
know, combining two sheets 
together to two by four sheets 

638
00:37:36,700 --> 00:37:41,300
and then I felt I had some off 
cuts which I sort of glued 

639
00:37:41,300 --> 00:37:45,000
together and sort of managed to 
get another two by four sheet 

640
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,600
together. 
So it's got its a separate 

641
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,300
piece, which works well for me 
because you know, with my room 

642
00:37:50,300 --> 00:37:53,600
setup it's not No, I haven't got
a dedicated space to have like, 

643
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,800
a 6x4 table. 
Unfortunately, in Japan, we 

644
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,400
don't have garages. 
The garage is kind of, like, one

645
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,700
of the things I don't know about
the, about the UK but in 

646
00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:06,500
Australia it's almost like a 
guaranteed thing. 

647
00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:09,000
Like if you move into a house or
you went out or whatever it 

648
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,900
might be, you're always kind of 
a garage, a single single car 

649
00:38:11,900 --> 00:38:14,900
garage or double car garage, but
in Japan, they just do not 

650
00:38:14,900 --> 00:38:16,600
exist. 
If you do have one, you're 

651
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:18,500
incredibly rich, or wealthy, or 
whatever. 

652
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:21,400
We're very fortunate. 
You have enough land space 

653
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,500
Enough money to build one. 
So all our Gaming's, done inside

654
00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:28,400
inside our rooms and that kind 
of thing. 

655
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,500
So I don't have really a big 
enough space but have your cell 

656
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:32,500
mate. 
Do you have room to put a big 

657
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:35,800
table in where you are? 
No, definitely not. 

658
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:40,800
No bought em up at my work. 
I've got a decent sized desk and

659
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,700
I think it's four foot square so
it's not quite the six foot 

660
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:46,300
forward foot. 
So if I go up there with, you 

661
00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:50,100
know what I wrote before, what 
planning a plea, I could clear 

662
00:38:50,100 --> 00:38:54,300
everything and say I've It's not
and at least, you know, I don't 

663
00:38:54,300 --> 00:38:56,500
I don't have to clear out with 
that night. 

664
00:38:56,500 --> 00:39:00,000
I am because that fall was 
scared me. 

665
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,100
You know, if I say up and the 
house and it has to be totally 

666
00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:05,600
put away that night and 
thinking, all that said, that's 

667
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:09,500
a big task. 
So I'm always curious like if 

668
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:13,800
you had the table set up 
permanently, would you just 

669
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,400
leave the today in on it and 
stuff like that? 

670
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:19,100
And then would you maybe just 
put like a sheet over it to 

671
00:39:19,107 --> 00:39:23,600
protect it from dust or like how
would that I've done it before. 

672
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,100
And, you know, I've just let it 
just let it set up. 

673
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:30,300
I didn't put a sheet over the 
top of it, but my terrain is 

674
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:34,100
actually put into it Throne. 
So separate containers or 

675
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:37,200
instead of shelving units. 
We've got here for my terrain, 

676
00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:40,500
so if I did have something set 
up, it would be only for like a 

677
00:39:40,508 --> 00:39:43,600
couple of days. 
For example, example, the I 

678
00:39:43,607 --> 00:39:45,700
wouldn't I wouldn't leave it set
up permanent, you know? 

679
00:39:45,700 --> 00:39:49,100
If it was like that when I had a
dedicated room just to have a 

680
00:39:49,100 --> 00:39:51,100
table set up. 
Yeah, I'll probably have a 

681
00:39:51,107 --> 00:39:53,900
sheep. 
Keep covering everything to keep

682
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:55,500
the dust and that kind of stuff 
often. 

683
00:39:56,100 --> 00:39:59,400
But yeah, I mean, we can only 
dream currently. 

684
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,900
Yeah, that's the thing like if 
you had to the big house and you

685
00:40:03,900 --> 00:40:06,900
get the proper room with a huge 
table and stuff like that. 

686
00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:09,700
I think that's kind of what 
attracted me to this x mole 

687
00:40:09,700 --> 00:40:13,800
scale and just thinking about, 
like, could, uh, me come talk to

688
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,200
put on a recent episode, but 
could you almost make like a 

689
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,000
travel Warhammer? 
You know? 

690
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,700
Like, I've got this but this 
might that's like, 30 inch by I 

691
00:40:21,700 --> 00:40:25,800
don't know 25 inch or something 
and I'm like, just need like 12 

692
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,400
sec smell regiments. 
Which basically have the same 

693
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,800
footprint as a decent size. 28, 
mm. 

694
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,700
Skill manager on so you don't 
need much at all. 

695
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:41,500
And I know I know people like 
that 20 ml and I do too but just

696
00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:44,200
to scratch at it. 
Sure the mice battle I think I 

697
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,700
think it could be done on a 
coffee table if you got a sec 

698
00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:49,500
smell. 
So yeah maybe yeah I don't see 

699
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:53,700
why not I mean I'm 10 And I 
would love to actually, I'd like

700
00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:56,500
to play a game of Weimar with 
six mil Miniatures. 

701
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,000
I enjoy epic as this a scale 
like six. 

702
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,600
Yeah. 
Well anyway, so yeah. 

703
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,300
You know, I played a lot of that
in 40K with epic, so I'd love to

704
00:41:05,300 --> 00:41:09,000
see it in whammer. 
That'd be great, but I saw some 

705
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:14,900
guy on the old Hammer Community 
doing something very similar But

706
00:41:14,900 --> 00:41:19,100
I think he was using quite, 
don't go away from here, but 

707
00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:23,300
maybe 10 min, or 15 mil, but he 
was actually basing individually

708
00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:26,700
basing each miniature and then 
basically. 

709
00:41:26,700 --> 00:41:28,700
Yeah, but doing the very, very 
similar thing playing. 

710
00:41:28,700 --> 00:41:32,100
Third Edition will Hammer but 
scale down into like a 10 or 10 

711
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:36,300
or 15 Mill, scale war game, 
having movement trays and that 

712
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:39,700
kind of thing or everything in 
do individually based and it 

713
00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:41,800
seemed like a really cool idea. 
I like that. 

714
00:41:41,900 --> 00:41:44,600
I like sort of shrinking things 
down and I suppose we're in two 

715
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,400
minutes as we like small things.
Anyway, I'm always attracted to 

716
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,400
something that's really small 
and find it very interesting. 

717
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,300
But yes, I Rebellion against the
skill. 

718
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:57,900
Keep it like, nice. 
Get let's go smaller and they're

719
00:41:57,900 --> 00:42:00,100
like, no work. 
You know, in 10 years this 

720
00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:01,800
manager is going to be bigger 
than you. 

721
00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:08,300
This is maybe it is. 
But you know, for my eyes I 

722
00:42:08,300 --> 00:42:12,000
think the bigger the better 
basically because for painting 

723
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,700
and that kind of thing. 
Yeah. 

724
00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:19,400
I Quite a large model to work 
with the smaller stuff is really

725
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,400
hard to to sort of pick out the 
details and that kind of thing. 

726
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:27,000
So I'm very less fussy about 
those those girls but on the 

727
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:31,600
opposite Spectrum with regards 
to time and you know I can knock

728
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:35,900
out a 6 mil in a unit of or 
Detachment or something like 

729
00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:38,700
that in a couple of hours. 
You know, the main like it's 

730
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:42,500
really easy just to knock out a 
whole Army out in the weekend. 

731
00:42:42,900 --> 00:42:47,100
If we're a weak-kneed Be so I 
like that aspect to it as well. 

732
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,100
Yeah, I'm with it. 
This x function offers. 

733
00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:52,100
Well, it's more them. 
It's more. 

734
00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:54,500
The look of the army. 
Isn't that than the look of the 

735
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:59,300
single manager on the the BBS 
like, look T cubed talk would be

736
00:42:59,300 --> 00:43:01,600
scrutinizing. 
The the miniature one of the 

737
00:43:01,607 --> 00:43:04,600
managers itself is more like how
does this add me look on the 

738
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:10,300
table when it's all put down. 
Yeah, I think you know for like 

739
00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:12,700
40 K, you know, like second 
edition. 

740
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:16,000
I never played a lot of Back in 
the 90s but the Epic I played a 

741
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,000
lot of and I really loved it 
because of that you know that 

742
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,700
that's the the scope of scale 
you get when you look down and 

743
00:43:22,700 --> 00:43:26,500
see all these little Miniatures 
lined up, there's something 

744
00:43:26,500 --> 00:43:32,100
about that that scale that 
really interest me and yeah, 

745
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:37,900
just captivated me for so long. 
Yeah and with a great rule set 

746
00:43:37,900 --> 00:43:41,200
to accompany it as well at Pro 
makes a big difference but yeah 

747
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,900
I'd love to see what have a 
played on a much smaller scale. 

748
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,200
I was actually hoping they'll 
going to do that with the the 

749
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:52,800
new old world war hammer game. 
I was really really hoping 

750
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,200
they're going to bring them in 
the air, like a tiny scale, like

751
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,100
six or ten Mill. 
I'll be really Keen to see what 

752
00:43:59,100 --> 00:44:01,400
that would be like, but 
unfortunately, they're going to 

753
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:07,800
go back to 28 Mill, which Yang 
and quotation marks 20 ml. 

754
00:44:08,500 --> 00:44:10,300
Yeah. 
I mean, it makes makes sense. 

755
00:44:10,300 --> 00:44:11,900
I mean, you know, they're a 
miniature company. 

756
00:44:11,900 --> 00:44:13,900
They're going to sell 
bucketloads of miniatures. 

757
00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:19,400
With the with the game systems 
at that, you know, that doesn't 

758
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:25,000
surprise me, but yeah, Walmart 
is a good alternative to that 

759
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:27,700
you've got. 
I sort of dabble that dabbled in

760
00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:29,300
that one about that in the year 
2000. 

761
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:31,700
When it first came out, did you 
ever play War Master? 

762
00:44:32,500 --> 00:44:34,500
No. 
No I was kinda where the time 

763
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,100
saw a. 
It's all our game. 

764
00:44:36,100 --> 00:44:37,900
I've had the boot 
retrospectively. 

765
00:44:37,900 --> 00:44:40,000
Yeah. 
But was that sex or 10? 

766
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,900
Well that's actually 1516. 
Yeah yeah, I don't know. 

767
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,500
What a funny scalar, the Piston,
the life. 

768
00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:50,900
I think they make something 
really unique or a scale, bro. 

769
00:44:50,900 --> 00:44:53,700
Unique, I don't know whether 
they started with 50 ml and 

770
00:44:53,700 --> 00:44:55,300
other companies did 15 me 
laughter. 

771
00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:57,600
I'm not really sure what I know 
about the history of that, but I

772
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:02,300
always assumed it went from six 
mil to 10 mil 228 Mill and then 

773
00:45:02,300 --> 00:45:05,400
they thought, oh, well Bagram 
will do 15 mil just a screw 

774
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:10,000
everybody over because maybe 50 
ml was not a fake favored scale 

775
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,800
at that time, but I don't know. 
I'm just guessing that it's like

776
00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:16,000
Here making their own, like they
said. 

777
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,300
Oh yeah, wardrobe. 
But it's got like a tool in it 

778
00:45:19,300 --> 00:45:21,800
that you've never seen before. 
Like, nobody owns. 

779
00:45:21,900 --> 00:45:24,200
Like that's just. 
That's right. 8:45. 

780
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,500
Good together. 
Yeah. 

781
00:45:25,700 --> 00:45:27,400
Stanley put it together with 
India. 

782
00:45:27,700 --> 00:45:31,000
As far as I know, I don't build 
the furniture noise much better.

783
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,600
I just think what we in have a 
cup of tea. 

784
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:40,100
But yeah, War Master. 
Yeah, try Walmart because I 

785
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:41,700
reckon you can play at any 
scale. 

786
00:45:42,500 --> 00:45:46,200
I don't think it's I don't think
it's, you know, solely a 15 mil 

787
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,500
game you can wait in 28 Mill. 
Using wore masks rules. 

788
00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:52,700
You can play them, 6 ml, 10 mL, 
whatever. 

789
00:45:53,300 --> 00:45:56,000
Yeah we should knock that around
that, let's have a look at that.

790
00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:58,500
You probably find a real cheap 
copy somewhere on you know, 

791
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:00,900
second hand market. 
And that's all you need to get 

792
00:46:00,900 --> 00:46:02,800
started. 
I think it was just basically 

793
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:09,400
just one rule book that was it. 
So enjoy the array of enjoyed 

794
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,600
your M. 
Epic space, meaning episodes 

795
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,800
because that was another box. 
I went on to own when I was 

796
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:21,200
three and it was one of those 
packages that made you feel like

797
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,000
you are, you were really rich 
because of the amount of trips 

798
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,900
on it. 
So that you're used to not 

799
00:46:25,900 --> 00:46:28,700
having many managers and I was 
really wasteful with it. 

800
00:46:28,700 --> 00:46:31,500
This stuff in it, like again, 
never played it properly, used 

801
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:34,800
to sit the cardboard buildings 
up and just sort of Passover. 

802
00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:37,700
Out Weaver. 
But I was really wasteful with 

803
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:39,900
the managers because it seemed 
like I had so much of them. 

804
00:46:39,900 --> 00:46:44,500
So I used to make these rubbish 
little dioramas and stuff and 

805
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,700
you know, gluing them and 
they're like little bits of 

806
00:46:46,700 --> 00:46:51,200
scenery and just because it felt
like you had loads of stuff and 

807
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,600
what she did, that was just 
tiny. 

808
00:46:52,700 --> 00:46:57,300
So, Yeah my nose the best set 
and week pussy went on to say 

809
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:59,800
that, you know it was the it was
the like the blueprint like 

810
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,400
basically this set basically 
this box set was the predecessor

811
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,200
for all the other box sets that 
came after it. 

812
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,600
Because you know, had all the 
Miniatures in it, had this 

813
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:13,100
scenery in it and all that kind 
of thing all in one box which 

814
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:15,700
became so successful that they 
said, okay, we'll do that for 

815
00:47:15,700 --> 00:47:18,300
him. 
I'll do it for 40 K and and so 

816
00:47:18,300 --> 00:47:21,600
on and so forth. 
So we've got we've got epic to 

817
00:47:21,607 --> 00:47:23,300
thank for that. 
Epic Space Marine second 

818
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:26,700
edition. 
Because if I remember correctly 

819
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:33,100
to em, they had like spaceman in
zorks and Elder, and the Box. 

820
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,800
Whoa! 
Hello weird. 

821
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,700
Like to put three different 
armies and I don't know what 

822
00:47:38,700 --> 00:47:40,200
love. 
Do you know what the reason was 

823
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,200
for that? 
Probably because they had, I 

824
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:48,400
think they already had the 
Miniatures made for the first 

825
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,700
edition Space Marine. the first 
edition space main had just 

826
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:58,300
Space Marines in it and rhinos, 
And land writers although I'm 

827
00:47:58,300 --> 00:48:00,000
not expert. 
I've never played the first 

828
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,500
edition space me, but I'd 
imagine they had those models 

829
00:48:02,500 --> 00:48:05,000
already made and caught up in 
that kind of thing. 

830
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,900
And then later they introduced 
rules for Elder and aux and that

831
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:11,100
kind of thing for this first 
edition Space Marine. 

832
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:16,600
So they had all that they had 
all the that all the models made

833
00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:19,000
and tooled up everything. 
So they probably thought. 

834
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,900
Okay well, but so many of these 
sprues we'll just going to Chuck

835
00:48:21,900 --> 00:48:24,900
them in the box. 
So people have a choice of three

836
00:48:24,900 --> 00:48:27,900
different armies. 
They can try them out and play 

837
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:29,900
them, you know, with their 
friends or whatever. 

838
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:34,500
And then they've got the ideal 
starting basis for the 

839
00:48:34,500 --> 00:48:37,300
collection. 
And that's how we looked at it, 

840
00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:38,600
too. 
Because I think I took the 

841
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,700
Marines and my friend, Chris, 
you took the Elder and the Orcs,

842
00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:45,100
And then we just bought the at 
that time. 

843
00:48:45,100 --> 00:48:50,100
You could buy an entire, like, 
off orc Battle Force. 

844
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:53,100
I think was called in the, the, 
we're all called. 

845
00:48:53,100 --> 00:48:56,100
I think was and Space Marines 
have their own sort of Box and 

846
00:48:56,100 --> 00:48:58,500
that kind of thing. 
You just bought so many villages

847
00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:03,100
in one box, it was just amazing.
So we really latched onto Space 

848
00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:05,800
Marine because it was the 
cheapest way to get into playing

849
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,800
wargaming and yeah, we never 
regretted it because I think 

850
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,700
it's still one of the best games
ever made. 

851
00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:16,300
Yeah, not much more accurate 
depiction of that, what all 

852
00:49:16,300 --> 00:49:17,400
these? 
You imagine though that 

853
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,300
universes you imagined it like 
when you saw the other stations 

854
00:49:21,300 --> 00:49:25,100
and white dwarf of for here, 
whatever it was it was massive 

855
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:28,700
like my Massive scale. 
And obviously when you do it and

856
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:35,000
28 has just asked and mash like 
still still great, but you can't

857
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,300
deny, it's just a skirmish. 
Whereas, if you're going epics 

858
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:42,500
be spending, you really can do 
that like, massive scale, Titans

859
00:49:42,500 --> 00:49:46,100
walking about skyscrapers and 
just hundreds and hundreds of 

860
00:49:46,100 --> 00:49:50,200
troops as well. 
So, Yeah, that's that's that's 

861
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,300
exactly right. 
Because yeah, 40K off at that 

862
00:49:53,300 --> 00:49:57,800
wonderful 28 Mill, Skirmish 
simulation. 

863
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:02,200
If you like, which you didn't 
really need a lot of Miniatures 

864
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,200
for, I think, for Road trailer 
and for a second edition, which 

865
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:07,900
is good. 
It's one of the one of the 

866
00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:11,400
bonuses about that. 
But epic epic. 

867
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,300
You look at one of the John 
Blanche illustrations as 

868
00:50:14,300 --> 00:50:18,900
black-and-white drawings. 
He did in a lot of those epic 

869
00:50:18,900 --> 00:50:22,000
Space Marine or other white 
dwarf, Publications that he 

870
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:26,900
made, you know, he really, you 
know, made these kind of scenes 

871
00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:31,600
that felt epic and in a sense 
you still, there's the massive 

872
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,500
scale with the Titans and the 
background and and the the 

873
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:38,200
troops, the Marines or Elder 
whatever might be in the 

874
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:42,400
foreground and it brought this 
Massive battle, scaled 

875
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,200
illustration, and sort of 
Imaging in, you know, in your 

876
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:48,500
mind. 
And you could really play that 

877
00:50:48,500 --> 00:50:51,200
out with playing Epic. 
You probably couldn't get that 

878
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:55,000
sort of sense with 40K and all 
the sort of modern iterations of

879
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,200
Apocalypse or all those kind of 
large-scale. 

880
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,400
Titans just doesn't really look 
the same. 

881
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:03,700
I was talking to somebody else 
about that as well through the 

882
00:51:03,700 --> 00:51:05,600
week. 
You know, all those Twenty Eight

883
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,700
mil, scaled Titans and that kind
of thing for the modern 40K. 

884
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:13,200
Okay, it doesn't really weird on
a 6x4 table, you know, almost 

885
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,800
need like a 20 foot by 10 foot 
table to make it better. 

886
00:51:16,900 --> 00:51:19,200
You know what I mean? 
Or plate on the floor outside in

887
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,400
the garden or whatever? 
Yeah, it doesn't even know that,

888
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,100
that damn you'd be almost you 
feel most better just dressing 

889
00:51:26,100 --> 00:51:30,000
up as Italian yourself stomping 
about him. 

890
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:35,100
I like that idea cosplay and I 
think they call them cosplaying 

891
00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:39,200
as a, that's a Titan and I've 
just accidentally stood on your 

892
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:44,800
you. 
Yeah. 

893
00:51:44,900 --> 00:51:47,600
That's um. 
Yeah. 

894
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,200
When you know and I think 
fantasy could be used in the 

895
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,700
same sense, you can get that 
grand scale of commanding a huge

896
00:51:54,700 --> 00:52:01,700
Army on the tabletop just by 
reducing the scale and deep, do 

897
00:52:01,700 --> 00:52:04,900
you come across? 
Companies are making stuff for 

898
00:52:04,900 --> 00:52:09,600
epic space meeting like sort of 
modern style stuff for stuff 

899
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,100
that they're still producing, 
like, unofficial managers if you

900
00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:14,400
like. 
Yeah. 

901
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,900
There are a couple of companies 
quite Miss ones. 

902
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:27,000
Vanguard Miniatures is one and 
they produce a lot of six mil 

903
00:52:27,100 --> 00:52:30,700
stuff, based on Space Marine 
epic. 

904
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,400
So the names will be different, 
but obviously if you look at the

905
00:52:35,700 --> 00:52:39,900
models themselves, that they're 
clearly based on the early 2nd 

906
00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:41,900
edition designed and that kind 
of thing. 

907
00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:45,500
It says, Vanguard, I can't think
of the other name. 

908
00:52:45,500 --> 00:52:47,000
Sorry. 
And I have to put in the show 

909
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:50,400
notes for people because they'll
know those be Amazing. 

910
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,200
I bloody idiot. 
You should know these ones. 

911
00:52:52,500 --> 00:52:55,200
But yeah, there's two main ones 
I think that operated out of the

912
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,900
UK and they make resin models 
and they base it. 

913
00:52:59,900 --> 00:53:03,300
You know, they've extended the 
range is from Second Edition all

914
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:05,400
the way through to 40K. 
Like you've got sisters a 

915
00:53:05,408 --> 00:53:10,500
battle, you've got you know, 
dear, I said necrons and the 

916
00:53:11,900 --> 00:53:15,600
what's the other one's called 
awful-looking alien things? 

917
00:53:17,500 --> 00:53:20,400
Collagen still have standards. 
That address is a great. 

918
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:25,100
I like those ones called again, 
little hoax little like aliens 

919
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,100
because you got the necrons 
which are like the, you know, 

920
00:53:30,100 --> 00:53:34,000
that the T100 Terminators and 
then we had the other guys who 

921
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,400
look like they're out of space, 
like they'll look like Japanese 

922
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:42,200
kind of aesthetic by their toe, 
that's it. 

923
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:48,600
How thank you. 
I was called a sort of modern 

924
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,000
iterations in that will sort of,
you know, put into 40K 

925
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,300
integrated into 40K. 
They've got those designs now 

926
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:57,800
and ethics been around for a 
very long time. 

927
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,300
So it's been through, you know, 
epic 40K and under again. 

928
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,700
So they've tried of expanded the
range to Encompass all those 

929
00:54:07,700 --> 00:54:11,200
systems and all the different 
races are take up 40K as well. 

930
00:54:11,300 --> 00:54:13,300
So yeah. 
Make you know you're probably 

931
00:54:13,300 --> 00:54:18,100
living in the best time now to 
get all your epic stuff from you

932
00:54:18,107 --> 00:54:20,700
know various manufacturers 
whether they be in resin or 

933
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:26,900
metal and all the different 
kinds of armies you can get Yes,

934
00:54:26,900 --> 00:54:31,400
yes, maybe no need that back end
of that at some point in the 

935
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,100
future. 
Once I once I complete my 

936
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:38,000
current goals because at that 
again, there's so many good 

937
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,200
companies out there, doing 
really good to like, new new old

938
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,300
stuff. 
If you like, like I've heard you

939
00:54:43,900 --> 00:54:46,400
mention, Nate made a lot and I 
really liked them too. 

940
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,700
I think I've spent a fortune 
there over the last couple of 

941
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:52,400
years and DieHard. 
There's another company of 

942
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,300
bought from a lot ACP models, 
meddling, man. 

943
00:54:55,500 --> 00:55:00,200
Teachers think these are all 
uk-based and other world 

944
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,800
managers, I think as well. 
They've got an exceptional 

945
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,800
range. 
So if you go on any of the 

946
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,600
apologize to anyone, I've just 
cost them a fortune because any 

947
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,000
other words it's a it's one of 
those suddenly you've dropped 

948
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:17,000
like 80 pounds on a on a couple 
of things or apologies in 

949
00:55:17,008 --> 00:55:21,400
advance for anyone else just it,
that's better wages by pulling 

950
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:22,700
those out of their wallet, 
right? 

951
00:55:22,700 --> 00:55:26,100
That's that's what you're doing,
but that's why as My dog just 

952
00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:27,900
constantly cries cause she's 
got. 

953
00:55:27,900 --> 00:55:31,100
No one hands of it. 
I've just got lured to on 

954
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:33,800
painted Miniatures but you're 
totally useless to her. 

955
00:55:34,700 --> 00:55:38,900
Yeah, but yeah. 
Hopefully, one day might she be 

956
00:55:38,900 --> 00:55:40,300
playing games with you? 
That's for sure. 

957
00:55:40,900 --> 00:55:42,200
That'd be good. 
I will hopefully. 

958
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,000
Yeah, we'll start. 
We'll start with a, we'll start 

959
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,100
with the old song of leads and 
Euros, Nathan accessible, and 

960
00:55:48,100 --> 00:55:51,400
then maybe I better Shadow deep 
and about a frost grave. 

961
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,800
And well, what could we up? 
Will end up with a big big sex 

962
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:57,000
by Ford? 
A table covered with screaming. 

963
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,900
It had a now. 
So she must have proven her. 

964
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:04,400
She she she obviously he owes me
not having any of that you 

965
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:10,200
loser, but we're going to take a
quick break because as Zoom is 

966
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,700
running out of time here, but 
have a quick Refreshments are 

967
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,300
check on your daughter and we're
back in just a little bit. 

968
00:56:30,100 --> 00:56:32,700
Well, that was that talk about, 
so we talk about epic. 

969
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,300
So that's that's a good. 
That's a good scale. 

970
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:39,100
The to venturing to, especially 
for people who don't have a lot 

971
00:56:39,100 --> 00:56:41,800
of money. 
Right? 

972
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,500
Because, you know, it's 
expensive, especially if you 

973
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:46,700
need, if you want to start 
collecting stuff from the 90s. 

974
00:56:46,700 --> 00:56:49,900
I mean, make our Scopes like 
cats. 

975
00:56:49,900 --> 00:56:53,300
I saw you want your profile 
picture on your podcast is a 

976
00:56:53,308 --> 00:56:56,100
cast or plastic hausdorff, how 
many of those? 

977
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:02,000
I mean, shamefully, I The that 
from my three-year-old, nephew. 

978
00:57:04,300 --> 00:57:08,100
When my when my brother when me 
and my brother were younger my 

979
00:57:08,100 --> 00:57:12,300
brother's a he had some chaos 
dwarfs, it had the same thought 

980
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:15,500
as well which is sadly gone 
missing somewhere broken the 

981
00:57:15,500 --> 00:57:20,100
pieces and but I will say, I was
over at my mom and dad's one 

982
00:57:20,100 --> 00:57:21,200
day. 
So I'm sitting on the road 

983
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,600
Grandma my nephew's got this 
whole box of Lego that used to 

984
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,100
be my brothers and days just 
pulling bits and pieces out my 

985
00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:31,100
plane and he pulls this it more 
I will pose chaos dwarf. 

986
00:57:31,100 --> 00:57:34,900
Oh, I'm like cool. 
Oh, well, I'll just look after 

987
00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:36,600
that. 
And it's like that in my pocket.

988
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,700
So I had to go home and pin it 
up and so, yes, stole it from a 

989
00:57:40,707 --> 00:57:44,800
three-year-old child, that's a 
makes makes me, it makes me not 

990
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,000
very proud. 
But you know, I like to think of

991
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,800
him but about a pin on it and 
they give it a better theme on 

992
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,900
the front of the podcast. 
So what you do is give a bag you

993
00:57:53,908 --> 00:57:56,600
can get back. 
Yeah, and watch him destroy it. 

994
00:58:00,700 --> 00:58:03,900
You could get one of my quest or
Talisman. 

995
00:58:03,900 --> 00:58:06,400
I think Talisman had a carrot, 
yeah, character. 

996
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:11,800
Now I I've got I've got a cool 
chaos towards that I bought from

997
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:13,800
one of the companies I 
mentioned. 

998
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,900
Okay, may have been may have 
been CP models I got from so 

999
00:58:17,900 --> 00:58:20,100
little two-headed sort of chaos 
tour, tough guy. 

1000
00:58:21,700 --> 00:58:26,100
But when you put them next to 
the model pose cast, while you 

1001
00:58:26,100 --> 00:58:30,200
guys are actually beg like for 
being Wolf's essentially like 

1002
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:33,600
they are quite are quite tall 
models and find so and they're 

1003
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,100
very bulky as well. 
It's almost like little balls on

1004
00:58:37,100 --> 00:58:42,900
me. 
Yeah, balls of love if you want 

1005
00:58:42,900 --> 00:58:45,000
one of those armies but you 
might you're going to be paying 

1006
00:58:45,300 --> 00:58:47,700
through the, through the through
teeth, basically. 

1007
00:58:48,900 --> 00:58:53,000
Yeah, my brother, my brother had
sweet, had a box, a box. 

1008
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,100
A monopole is chaos towards. 
He had the book and so the 

1009
00:58:57,100 --> 00:59:00,000
Army's boot click, ok. 
If I remember correctly, it was 

1010
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:04,300
like a yellow cover and the guy 
on the it was I centered, wasn't

1011
00:59:04,300 --> 00:59:06,500
it? 
A flying bull, Centaur. 

1012
00:59:06,500 --> 00:59:08,300
Is that right? 
Yeah, that's right. 

1013
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,000
Campion. 
And he had he had that as well. 

1014
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,100
That was one of them is well I 
said Tom because he few years 

1015
00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:17,900
younger than me. 
So I said at the time a term f a

1016
00:59:17,900 --> 00:59:21,200
penis for ya, it might look a 
bit better so you let me think 

1017
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:23,600
that. 
So I came to track something. 

1018
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:25,100
I used to do that on the Mega 
Drive. 

1019
00:59:25,100 --> 00:59:28,100
You know, if you let me do this 
level for the Army, do a better 

1020
00:59:28,100 --> 00:59:31,100
job, And so if you feel for 
things like that, back in the 

1021
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:34,700
day, so I got to paint the 
center, another member of been 

1022
00:59:34,700 --> 00:59:37,400
really satisfying to paint 
because it was just a bag. 

1023
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,600
You know, what's a raid on the 
skin and stuff like that? 

1024
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:42,300
I was doing a basic childlike 
level. 

1025
00:59:42,300 --> 00:59:46,000
But satisfying, it's a classic 
Model at me. 

1026
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,800
Like, I should go to pay one of 
those to actually call somebody 

1027
00:59:49,300 --> 00:59:51,700
as a commissioner was really 
good, really, really enjoyable 

1028
00:59:51,700 --> 00:59:54,500
to paint that actually. 
So they've gone for a fortune 

1029
00:59:54,500 --> 00:59:56,300
these days. 
I take it right there. 

1030
00:59:56,300 --> 01:00:00,000
Just yeah, cuz cuz I'm sorry. 
Because people did really like 

1031
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,500
the cast was back then they 
weren't a very popular Army. 

1032
01:00:02,500 --> 01:00:07,200
So surplus of Miniatures much 
lower in comparison to all the 

1033
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:12,100
other armies. 
Yeah, so that said if you're 

1034
01:00:12,100 --> 01:00:15,100
lucky if you really want them 
Yeah. 

1035
01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:19,000
It prepared be prepared to pay a
lot of money for it, but if you 

1036
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,700
can find them in like any big 
army lot or whatever. 

1037
01:00:21,700 --> 01:00:24,600
But yeah, if you've got if you 
got one, if you are actually 

1038
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,700
holding on to one day, hold on 
to it because it's probably 

1039
01:00:27,700 --> 01:00:30,000
worth an absolute fortune in the
future. 

1040
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,900
So yeah, but all the all 
otherwise you can just find an 

1041
01:00:35,900 --> 01:00:40,500
alternative 10 for six mil or 15
mil cows to a fiber. 

1042
01:00:40,500 --> 01:00:42,800
Which there are there's 3D 
printing options out there, 

1043
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:46,800
which are amazing. 
What's it called again? 

1044
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,400
What's a company called again? 
There's a company out there who 

1045
01:00:52,400 --> 01:01:01,900
do a really good range of think 
that 15 mil minute shoes for 3D 

1046
01:01:01,900 --> 01:01:04,300
printing and actually print them
out for you as well. 

1047
01:01:04,300 --> 01:01:06,800
I think the called, excellent 
Miniatures, but I'll leave a 

1048
01:01:07,300 --> 01:01:09,100
note. 
I'll leave a link in the show 

1049
01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:11,400
notes. 
Anyway, someone got me onto 

1050
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,500
those throughout this called, 
and I've checked them out and 

1051
01:01:13,500 --> 01:01:16,800
they look pretty cool because 
they've got the same aesthetic 

1052
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,700
as the night. 
TS basically all the same style 

1053
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,700
so that basically the same 
Miniatures, just been, you know,

1054
01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:29,000
there's reduced down and shrunk 
down into 10 or 15 mil. 

1055
01:01:30,300 --> 01:01:35,400
And yell after Jay though that 
said both have and haven't to 

1056
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,700
check that out because if I do 
could be financially disasters, 

1057
01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:42,200
well, the good thing about it is
they actually have a printing 

1058
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:44,600
service is great because half 
the problem with the printing 

1059
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,800
thing is that I don't have a 
printer and I don't really want 

1060
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:52,300
to get one for a couple reasons.
But yeah, it's just nice to have

1061
01:01:52,300 --> 01:01:56,100
some service where they'll say, 
yeah, you can get these prints 

1062
01:01:56,100 --> 01:01:58,200
and we'll print them and we'll 
send it to you. 

1063
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,800
And yeah. 
I think it's a really great 

1064
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,400
idea. 
So I've seen a lot of that one. 

1065
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,500
It's because I bought him 
something. 

1066
01:02:05,500 --> 01:02:09,600
They don't actually last year on
the I know there's obviously 3D 

1067
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:13,800
printed, but again, I'm always 
am dubious as to whether the 

1068
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,700
images. 
You see represent what you're 

1069
01:02:15,700 --> 01:02:17,700
actually going to get ended and 
the package. 

1070
01:02:17,700 --> 01:02:20,800
But it looks, it looks amazing. 
Like a lot of the stuff that 

1071
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,400
people are doing and I could 
just imagine like if you owned 

1072
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,900
one of these Planters you just 
you get drunk one night and just

1073
01:02:27,900 --> 01:02:30,400
print like 40,000. 
Things. 

1074
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:32,100
And then wake up the next 
morning. 

1075
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:33,800
I don't know. 
You probably wouldn't wake up 

1076
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:38,200
because you'd be poisoned with 
the fumes but just creating more

1077
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,900
and more work for yourself so 
he'd have to have good 

1078
01:02:41,900 --> 01:02:43,600
discipline. 
I suppose a few and one of the 

1079
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,500
things. 
Yeah, like well what about the 

1080
01:02:46,500 --> 01:02:49,700
other day? 
Like, you know, putting out arms

1081
01:02:49,700 --> 01:02:52,500
and backpacks for Marines, you 
because you're only going to 

1082
01:02:52,508 --> 01:02:55,200
secondary Market, you buy all 
these models, but they don't 

1083
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,700
have the arms and backpacks and 
stuff. 

1084
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,500
Yeah. 
So, you know, Putting all those 

1085
01:03:00,500 --> 01:03:04,100
out is just ideal mean. 
People are actually, you know, 

1086
01:03:04,500 --> 01:03:09,200
making those replicating, the 
same models, or scanning them in

1087
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,100
or whatever. 
Yeah. 

1088
01:03:11,100 --> 01:03:14,000
That, that is a resource is just
invaluable. 

1089
01:03:15,300 --> 01:03:20,000
So I totally Embrace that kind 
of part of the 3D printing 

1090
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,600
world. 
I think that's excellent for 

1091
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,100
things like you know, you your 
stuff that you're buying. 

1092
01:03:25,100 --> 01:03:29,000
Now for all those old Miniatures
that maybe having you know, 

1093
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,900
difficulties finding parts and 
that kind of stuff. 

1094
01:03:32,700 --> 01:03:34,900
You can print them out. 
That's really invaluable. 

1095
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,900
Things like the Manowar, sail 
the masts and that kind of thing

1096
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,100
where you can get the ships but 
you won't get the masts. 

1097
01:03:41,300 --> 01:03:45,200
So you need us and you didn't 
bring them out things like At 

1098
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:48,500
11:00 battle wagon. 
You know, don't spend 300 pounds

1099
01:03:48,500 --> 01:03:53,800
on eBay to get one you can print
one out it's been scanned, you 

1100
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:58,100
know, those kind of things 
they're plastic kits anyway, so 

1101
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,600
that you're basically getting 
the same almost the same thing 

1102
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:09,600
just being printed out in resin.
Hey, I found myself mainly or 

1103
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:13,100
almost always buying me all 
these days because I just can't 

1104
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:14,900
be bothered with the plastic 
cats. 

1105
01:04:14,900 --> 01:04:19,200
Like at least back in the 90s. 
Like when you open the box, the 

1106
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,200
miniature itself was in sort of 
One Piece like you maybe have to

1107
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:26,700
glue a shield on on that. 
Yeah I am but I got a what was 

1108
01:04:26,700 --> 01:04:27,100
that? 
I got. 

1109
01:04:27,100 --> 01:04:29,800
It was just like covid hat and 
have everything was a bit to 

1110
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,600
lock down. 
And I thought, let me just let 

1111
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,500
me just buy a couple of boxes to
paint whilst all this blows 

1112
01:04:34,500 --> 01:04:37,500
over. 
So I Actually ordered modern 

1113
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:41,200
Games Workshop stuff. 
I got him necrons which you'll 

1114
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:44,200
love me forever. 
And but you like you like the 

1115
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,600
fact I hated them so much are 
sold them like a week later. 

1116
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:51,000
They were just absolutely 
torturous to put together, 

1117
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,900
nothing food as well. 
And I've got the kiosk mode 

1118
01:04:54,900 --> 01:04:58,400
orders, which I think that older
managers. 

1119
01:04:58,500 --> 01:05:01,300
I mean, when I say all that, I 
think there may be 20 years old 

1120
01:05:01,300 --> 01:05:04,600
a lot, but they're still on the 
go and and they're all right, 

1121
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:10,900
but I Just putting every our 
morning like you know every head

1122
01:05:10,900 --> 01:05:13,800
and I know that you could get 
cool unique poses and stuff, but

1123
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:18,000
I just find out about our dress.
So I like I like just stem 

1124
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:20,100
weapon around. 
Our male model will fail and 

1125
01:05:20,100 --> 01:05:22,400
tidying it up and stick it on a 
base. 

1126
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,700
And that's me halfway there. 
So I much prefer that and I 

1127
01:05:25,707 --> 01:05:28,600
think you get better-looking 
managers in the mail as well. 

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01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:32,700
So, maybe you're a man after my 
own heart, I feel totally 100 

1129
01:05:32,700 --> 01:05:35,400
percent because I like, you 
know, I did Infinity for a long 

1130
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,900
time and then Multi-part minutes
is just drive me. 

1131
01:05:37,900 --> 01:05:42,400
Absolutely Bonkers me. 
I can't I hate I hate doing it. 

1132
01:05:42,500 --> 01:05:47,500
I just hate doing them now. 
And just that feeling of you 

1133
01:05:47,500 --> 01:05:51,800
know when I first got my set of 
Buckman Miniatures, bug and 

1134
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:56,000
dwarf Miniatures, hang them all 
in one piece and I just you know

1135
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,100
like you say this fire around 
the edges, take that mold line, 

1136
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,600
put them on the base, spray 
them, pay them. 

1137
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:06,900
And, you know, do you need to 
attach as a shield and Just the 

1138
01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:09,100
feeling of painting those minute
juices. 

1139
01:06:09,100 --> 01:06:13,700
Gives me such incredible Joy, 
much much more than having to 

1140
01:06:13,700 --> 01:06:17,700
paint any of the modern stuff. 
Mmm-hmm, something we send out 

1141
01:06:17,700 --> 01:06:20,800
those old Miniatures, that has 
such great character that they 

1142
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:25,900
just can't capture that in 
plastic eye and that I find them

1143
01:06:25,900 --> 01:06:29,000
quite again. 
Bro, your models and new ones, 

1144
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,600
but I find them too busy. 
And you look at our regiment, 

1145
01:06:32,700 --> 01:06:35,200
you know, whatever it might be 
swordsman of night. 

1146
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:37,400
So Dana's like All the neurons 
thing. 

1147
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:40,500
And, you know, that's just so 
much going on and I did it 

1148
01:06:40,500 --> 01:06:44,700
doesn't doesn't please my. 
And as much as when you're just 

1149
01:06:44,700 --> 01:06:49,000
staying at m30, high elf salt in
the same sphere and the same 

1150
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:53,100
Shield stayed in the same way, I
just like that, I static. 

1151
01:06:54,300 --> 01:06:56,700
And again, it's very accessible 
as well. 

1152
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:01,000
If you want to build units and 
grab a box, put the guys 

1153
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,300
together and on the same day and
have them under cord. 

1154
01:07:05,300 --> 01:07:08,500
But now Oh, it's just old and 
I'm such a huge, huge task. 

1155
01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:11,400
It's enough to put me off them. 
Yeah, Mike. 

1156
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:13,800
I totally totally sympathize you
with the opens. 

1157
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:18,200
I've got some other condition to
do for some either Sigma stuff 

1158
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:22,200
and yeah putting together is not
fun fun. 

1159
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:25,500
Indeed, so yeah, but that's just
the way things are. 

1160
01:07:25,500 --> 01:07:27,600
I mean, I'll see him the other 
day, I'm sure. 

1161
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,700
There's there's generations of 
Gamers who got in through Games 

1162
01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:33,900
Workshop or whatever, but never 
never had a middle manager who 

1163
01:07:33,908 --> 01:07:35,900
have never seen one and there 
early. 

1164
01:07:36,700 --> 01:07:40,000
The first contact with 
Miniatures have been plastic 

1165
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:41,900
Miniatures. 
Multi-part Miniatures that had 

1166
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:46,400
to put together so that's just a
generational thing. 

1167
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:52,700
Yeah, and you know looking at 
the stuff they're doing now for 

1168
01:07:52,700 --> 01:07:56,200
Horus heresy now it Games 
Workshop really nice-looking 

1169
01:07:56,200 --> 01:08:00,800
miniatures. 
Almighty multi-part Plastics. 

1170
01:08:02,700 --> 01:08:06,200
But, you know, that's just the 
that's, that's just the time 

1171
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:10,800
we're living in, you know, we've
had the luxury of having all 

1172
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:12,600
that. 
All those LED models back in the

1173
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,200
day. 
It's a totally different 

1174
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:19,000
industry. 
Now, I suppose that the one 

1175
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,600
positive in the Plastics, is, 
I'm pretty clumsy like attempt 

1176
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:25,600
to knock stuff over night and 
the Plastics, very forgiving 

1177
01:08:25,700 --> 01:08:28,700
like a, you'd be doing well, 
with chips of paint, awesome. 

1178
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,500
But like it sometimes with the 
male models, it's like I've just

1179
01:08:32,700 --> 01:08:35,399
I've just touched it the wrong 
way and suddenly there's a bit 

1180
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:39,500
male shining through, I'm gonna 
have to go and repaint that. 

1181
01:08:39,500 --> 01:08:43,500
So, again, that's just a mixture
of my clumsiness and lack of 

1182
01:08:43,500 --> 01:08:46,600
ability at actually painting 
this thing properly in First 

1183
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:50,000
place. 
But I do get the fear when I'm 

1184
01:08:50,700 --> 01:08:54,899
putting a lot of meals on the 
table, just to see what happens 

1185
01:08:54,899 --> 01:08:57,000
to them. 
It's a funny thing, isn't it? 

1186
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,500
Because, you know, like you get 
sort of snobby about things 

1187
01:09:00,500 --> 01:09:03,000
because, you know, like, for one
of my fantasy. 

1188
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,500
Yeah, that's we all metal, even 
though I've got some plastic 

1189
01:09:05,500 --> 01:09:08,300
models in there, of course, my 
cabinets and stuff, but as we 

1190
01:09:08,300 --> 01:09:10,500
all met older than epic, it's 
all plastic. 

1191
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:16,600
You know, it's like 9, it's like
95% plastic and 5% metal That's 

1192
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,500
a good point. 
Yeah, goes in your head, I don't

1193
01:09:18,500 --> 01:09:20,700
know what it is. 
It's obviously, a very 

1194
01:09:20,700 --> 01:09:26,000
psychological thing, but there's
something about it, you know, 

1195
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:31,200
that, you know, certain things 
fit in certain holes, if I can 

1196
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:32,899
put it that way. 
Yeah, let's play dead. 

1197
01:09:33,700 --> 01:09:38,300
But I was just going to say this
XML stuff that I've got. 

1198
01:09:38,300 --> 01:09:40,500
It is very hard to clean up, 
like it's male. 

1199
01:09:40,899 --> 01:09:42,399
So it's little strips of 
Miniatures. 

1200
01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:46,899
It's, It's tricky to clean it 
up, so I I think that skill 

1201
01:09:46,899 --> 01:09:50,600
lends itself to plastic, again, 
always the caveat that I know 

1202
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:53,700
almost nothing, but making a 
miniature other whatever. 

1203
01:09:53,700 --> 01:09:56,500
But it seems to me like that 
skill lends itself. 

1204
01:09:56,500 --> 01:09:59,700
Well, the plastic, but if you're
going bigger than that M. 

1205
01:10:00,100 --> 01:10:03,700
I like the mail just for the 
Simplicity and the heft. 

1206
01:10:04,500 --> 01:10:07,200
Yeah. 
I feel like there's actually 

1207
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,700
something on the table. 
Yeah, I don't know. 

1208
01:10:09,700 --> 01:10:11,300
Yeah, it's a really neat thing, 
isn't it? 

1209
01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:15,000
Like but then we can give a task
to plastic Miniatures to so it's

1210
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:16,800
really strange thing. 
Know what it is. 

1211
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:18,300
It's just in our nature. 
I guess. 

1212
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:21,200
I don't know as Gamers or 
collectors. 

1213
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,100
Yeah. 
So we can appreciate many 

1214
01:10:25,100 --> 01:10:27,900
different things. 
I can appreciate epic 

1215
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,900
Miniatures. 
People think I'm nuts because I 

1216
01:10:30,900 --> 01:10:33,900
think, well, what's really all 
that fantastic about them, 

1217
01:10:33,900 --> 01:10:37,700
they're very, very simple models
that I can really appreciate 

1218
01:10:37,700 --> 01:10:41,100
those but I can appreciate a 
jazz Goodwin skaven mobile, for 

1219
01:10:41,100 --> 01:10:44,800
example, or Alan Alan Perry, or 
Ali Morrison. 

1220
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:50,700
Dwarf or impaired Empire model. 
So in the same way. 

1221
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:52,500
Yeah. 
But I don't know any, I'm late. 

1222
01:10:52,500 --> 01:10:53,900
It's been really fun talking to 
you. 

1223
01:10:53,900 --> 01:10:56,500
I really enjoyed it. 
Thank you very much again. 

1224
01:10:56,500 --> 01:10:59,500
Matthew for coming on and 
talking with me today, mate. 

1225
01:11:00,300 --> 01:11:03,100
Yeah, thanks very much Josh. 
I appreciate the opportunity. 

1226
01:11:03,100 --> 01:11:05,900
Like I said at the start, by 
planning your shoe lesson to 

1227
01:11:05,900 --> 01:11:10,700
every episode and the other good
accompaniment to my opinion. 

1228
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,700
So I keep up the good work as a 
great podcast. 

1229
01:11:14,300 --> 01:11:18,300
But likewise, but I've enjoyed 
listening to your podcast ever 

1230
01:11:18,300 --> 01:11:22,200
since I found out about it and 
I'll leave links in the show 

1231
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:24,300
notes for people go and check it
out because you should go and 

1232
01:11:24,300 --> 01:11:28,800
check it out what Matthews doing
there with Robert, and what 

1233
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:33,500
they're doing on the table to 
Miniatures, hobby podcast, as 

1234
01:11:33,500 --> 01:11:37,200
bedroom Battlefield, isn't it? 
Yeah, bedroom, Battlefield, 

1235
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,400
stock Commerce website in your 
tabletop manager, hobby podcast,

1236
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:44,700
the most boring podcasting fast.
It's a wonder You always forget 

1237
01:11:44,700 --> 01:11:48,700
to you always get to know what 
your podcast Seibel is so 

1238
01:11:48,700 --> 01:11:50,600
boring. 
So boring, I can't even 

1239
01:11:50,600 --> 01:12:14,500
remember. 
Yeah probably and I let's say 

1240
01:12:14,500 --> 01:12:18,400
let's get together on my podcast
and we will have another we 

1241
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:19,800
chat. 
Yeah that'd be great I will 

1242
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,900
inform look forward to that 
anytime a girl. 

1243
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,200
Thanks again. 
Josh okay their followers might 

1244
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:26,900
take care. 
See ya.