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Thank you very much again. 
Marcel from Snake Works Studio 

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for coming along to the Corona 
command. 

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Thank you very, very much for 
having me. 

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So now, Marcel, we've sort of 
bumped into each other online 

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through various points over the 
last few years I guess. 

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Yeah, I would say yes. 
I've seen you around a few 

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times. 
Yeah, it's always meaning to 

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chat and it always evades us. 
It has made, but I thought, I'll

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now you, I'll now you down on a 
time in a day that we can come 

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together and actually start 
talking about. 

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We get there in the end, don't 
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Yeah, because I like to. 
I like to meet the people I 

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follow on YouTube or I follow 
through, you know, social media 

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when it comes to dealing with a 
very niche part of our hobby and

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that's talking about mainly or 
focusing on our passions on the 

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sort of older aspects of GW and.
Yeah, one of the best aspects, I

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would say. 
Yeah, for us anyway. 

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Well, I mean, you know, we can 
touch on that as well. 

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We can expand on that a little 
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questions about for that about 
about that in particular because

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I know you've been an all 
rounder, you sort of like the 

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new stuff, the old stuff and 
it's kind of a blend of the two 

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and. 
A piece from here and a piece 

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from there. 
I think that's right exactly, 

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but we'll come to that later in 
the show. 

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But first, I want everyone to 
know who you are and where 

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you're from and sort of more 
information about your 

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background as to where you live 
and you know, that kind of 

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thing. 
So, Marson, would you like? 

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To wait, where do you wanna 
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You can you can start from 
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right? 
But yeah, like. 

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Should we start at the 
beginning? 

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Go from the beginning down, down
in the deep parts of of darkness

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in the past? 
Does it all begin? 

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OK, I think my hobby journey 
begun at middle school. 

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So what's you around 1012? 
Around those years and someone 

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brought in the obligatory White 
Dwarf magazine to school. 

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Great. 
And I can distinctly remember 

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seeing the Ultramarines tactical
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And I thought, you know, that 
was it. 

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That was the day I thought, you 
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I don't know what they are, but 
I have to have them right, so 

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that's around issue 1. 50 that's
around about there. 

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Early 90s, Yeah. 
Somewhere around there, Yeah. 

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OK. 
And interesting story about 

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that, looking at those squad of 
marines and a UFO incident, but 

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I won't go into anymore. 
I think there was five of them, 

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isn't there? 
On the left hand side of the 

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page? 
That's how my mind remembers it.

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It might be wrong, but in my 
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power fist. 
But I thought the Sergeant with 

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the power fist was in the 
Devastator squad. 

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But I won't be misremembering 
something. 

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Yeah, they both had power fist 
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squad is without a helmet, and I
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strapped to his side on his like
his side belt. 

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And the Devastator squad, of 
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helmet and painted red because 
he's a Devastator and he had the

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fist pump up in the air kind of 
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That's the one. 
That's why I'm sort of getting a

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bit confused. 
So, yeah, definitely the first 

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one. 
Definitely the bare face on that

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one. 
Right. 

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Right. 
Right. 

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OK. 
From. 

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There. 
It's like I'm gonna get some of 

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these, so I take it 40K with 
your first love then. 

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Yes, definitely. 
And then but the way into it, I 

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think I found out you bought 
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Didn't know where the shop was 
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back street in Norwich. 
I went into there and then I was

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there with my cousin and my mom 
and I was like, I want this 

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tactical squad. 
I found the box and everyone 

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said it's too expensive, you 
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The cost then came up and that 
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probably quite cheap then I'd 
imagine. 

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Yeah, I don't know how much in 
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£15 or something like that. 
I reckon it was about 15 quid, 

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yeah. 
Possibly 10 but then I was shown

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the alternative option which was
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there's loads more in there for 
the money. 

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So that was where it really 
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Gotcha. 
So I think we bought Space 

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Crusade, I can't remember how 
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pounds, £30 and then took that 
home and then proceeded to build

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all those models badly. 
You know you don't cut them off 

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the sprue at that age, do you 
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Tear them off, breaking 
everything. 

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If teeth are required, then 
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that. 
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bayonets off the bolters have 
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You know, stuff that'll make you
cringe nowadays. 

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But I mean, you don't know any 
better, do you? 

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You just don't know. 
Built all those and then painted

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them really badly. 
I remember having two or three 

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paints and even stealing my 
mom's nail Polish to paint them 

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with nail Polish. 
That's it. 

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You. 
Want to nail Polish? 

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Yeah, colored nail. 
But I've completely forgotten 

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about it until now and I 
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I remember the smell of it. 
Bizarre you would have. 

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You would have got quite high 
painting those miniatures and 

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made of that. 
And that might explain a few 

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things nowadays. 
And do you do psychosis like a 

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like an awe weird boy or 
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Yeah, that's it. 
But yeah, they were good times. 

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And reading white dwarf 
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probably using the fire to 
convert models. 

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Fire. 
That's interesting. 

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I can melt something with that. 
There's no structure to your 

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hobby at that time, is there? 
It's just messing about with 

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everything. 
So did you play space reset with

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your friends or did you have 
some kind of club or something 

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like that to get involved with 
at that time? 

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No, no. 
I had a best friend who lived 

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opposite me. 
I took it all over to his house,

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set it all up. 
We went through the rules and 

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after about 10 minutes he just 
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So we we never played it. 
So I always wanted to play it, 

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but never actually played it. 
Yeah. 

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So it was just all about the 
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up up all the way up until about
fourth edition when I sort of 

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came back to the hobby, right? 
OK, like I've never played 

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space, we saved myself either, 
but it seems more a little bit 

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more complex than here. 
Request from just looking at the

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components, especially the 
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you know again I've played it, 
but you've got like some kind of

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weapons tracking kind of console
that you put the weapons in and 

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you've got special cards that 
you can load you can load at 

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your entire squad before you 
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So yeah, it seems more complex 
than just picking a character 

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from her request and you know 
away you go kind of thing. 

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It seems more, I don't know, 
intuitive to younger a younger 

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audience, but space we say it 
seems a little bit more in depth

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in some some. 
Involved, yeah, I think. 

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I think it was all the blip 
tokens that threw us. 

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Yeah, that's that would be one, 
wouldn't it? 

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Yeah. 
Line of sight and things like 

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that, which I think for 
youngsters it's a little bit 

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more difficult to get your head 
around right. 

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So did you ever get back to 
buying that box of tactical 

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altering? 
No, I never got that one, I 

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think. 
I then found the Devastator 

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squad. 
You know, when they had the 

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shoulder mounted. 
All right. 

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Yeah. 
And I liked all the they had 

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little black flames painted on 
the barrels, didn't they, Of the

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missile launcher and things. 
And I thought that was the best 

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thing I'd ever seen in my life 
at that age. 

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So I bought one of those, tried 
to stick metal parts together 

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with polystyrene cement. 
Because I wasn't allowed super 

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glue. 
Because apparently I would stick

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myself to the wall. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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So that all went really well. 
Painted those terribly. 

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Don't even know if I ever 
finished anything to be honest. 

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It was all just painting over 
bare metal, you know? 

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No priming. 
Hey, just assembling things as 

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you do. 
I've heard that's a thing. 

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Like some pro painters. 
Oh, prime miniatures. 

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It's a thing, apparently. 
So there you go. 

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Maybe the paints are better 
nowadays. 

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Maybe. 
Comes down to the paint you're 

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using. 
It seems not such an absurd 

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notion that, you know, people 
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I've seen it done once when I 
worked in the UK and in the 

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store at the Oxford store, some 
guy just pulled the miniature, 

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had the blister and just started
painting it. 

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So yeah, maybe it's just maybe 
there's some secret to it. 

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You save some time. 
I did read somewhere that you 

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get better detail if you don't 
do it. 

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You know, give it like the most 
basic priming but. 

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I wouldn't dare try it myself 
because all the paint would come

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beading off. 
Well, I think the. 

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Clean others. 
Try that one. 

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The main problem with me would 
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being able to see everything 
clearly like white allows you a 

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nice sort of blanket. 
Give you a nice guide coat, 

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don't you? 
Yeah, yeah, it's just nice to 

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pick out all the details. 
Whereas it just metal, it 

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sometimes can seem a little bit 
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reflections and that kind of 
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There you go. 
Reminds me of my first argument 

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in the Games Workshop shop. 
They had some Space Marines in 

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the rotating glass cases they 
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Yeah, and they'd had a tactical 
squad and a Rhino, all painted 

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silver. 
No details or anything, just 

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everything was painted flat 
silver. 

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And a kid was trying to tell me,
you know, they just haven't 

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painted them yet. 
And I was like, no. 

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Those plastic bits on there have
been painted silver because 

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they're not silver out of the 
packet, He was adamant, but it 

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was all just metal that hadn't 
been painted yet. 

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But looking back, I wonder who 
was right. 

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I think I was right because I'm 
pretty sure you don't get silver

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plastic arms coming with those 
tactical squads. 

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And no. 
Yeah, it's bizarre how 

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completely forgotten about these
things until you start talking 

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about it again. 
Memories coming back from like 

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20 years ago. 
It's bizarre, yeah. 

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It's lovely though, isn't it? 
Like that kind of, yeah, going 

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back and yeah, the more I talk 
about it with people in 

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interviews or whatever, or just 
chatting with people, it sort of

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starts coming back a little bit 
because it's, yeah, it is a long

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time ago, but you do have some 
fond memories there. 

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In that time I've slept since 
then, So yeah, it's been a lot 

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of beers between then and now, 
that's for sure. 

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Some nail Polish views, yeah, 
well that's actually that's a 

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thing. 
Maybe nail Polish and especially

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the the sparkly nail Polish, 
that could be a thing that could

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be a trend that could be 
happening in miniature painting 

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at some point in the future. 
I think that's a that's a nice 

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one. 
It's like rock hard. 

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It's basically got the still 
mania philosophy there. 

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You don't need to give it three 
coats of varnish. 

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Basically that nail Polish will 
just stay in there forever, you 

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know, so you. 
Wouldn't get that off in a 

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hurry, would you? 
Yeah, I think it's really thick 

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as well, so that's cool. 
Maybe when all these people have

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these miniatures, they're trying
to strip them, aren't they? 

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And they're like, there's some 
weird paint I can't get off 

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here. 
That's the nail Polish that's 

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Marcels Marcels space. 
Crusade Mild ones, Yeah, the 

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plastic will melt before the 
nail Polish, yeah. 

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Do you still have the Space 
Crusades set? 

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No. 
Along with some other things. 

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Around that time I was then 
getting out of the hobby. 

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Probably a couple of years 
later. 

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We've skipped over a bit, but we
can go to there if you want. 

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A friend came round and I was 
tidying my room and it all went 

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in a couple of black bin liners.
Yeah, just don't want this 

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anymore. 
I'm too old for this. 

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You know how it is. 
I'm done with this. 

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This isn't cool anymore. 
It's all going in the bin, 

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right? 
Well, I hate myself for that. 

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Yeah, well, yeah, I've. 
I've chucked things out the bin.

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Not because I'm just too old for
it. 

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I think I was just like, just 
just never thought I'd ever play

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it again. 
Never thought. 

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Yeah, you just move on. 
Don't you think that that place 

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is done? 
Yeah, exactly, mate. 

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So yeah, we've all been there. 
Right. 

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Yeah, there's a bit of that, 
yeah. 

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All that money's worth is just 
gone straight in the bin, down 

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the skip, somewhere down the 
down the landfill. 

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So you could dig it up. 
There's probably some of this 

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stuff still in an old land 
somewhere. 

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Believe that now that null 
Polish would preserved it, mate.

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I think would entomb them. 
Be a little time capsule. 

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Yeah, absolutely. 
Well, I hope you get. 

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I hope. 
I really hope you get to play it

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and. 
I I have since bought another 

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copy, it's in the garage in the 
box on the To Do List, which 

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sadly is getting longer. 
Every week you add to these 

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things now so quickly, don't 
you? 

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That's true, mate. 
You do. 

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You do. 
I'm trying to stop. 

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The older you get the breaks on 
there. 

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I just can't stop writing things
down. 

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Okay. 
I've got one of these that can 

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be done, but they're not getting
knocked off the list anywhere 

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near as fast as they get added 
now. 

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So yeah, I think it's a case for
me, maybe yourself and myself 

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that just, you know, that's like
we've got enough stuff, we've 

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accumulated, we've gone through 
the accumulation of things. 

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It's now she's sitting down and 
getting them done and finished 

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and having the satisfaction of 
and the pride of seeing all of 

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it painted in a cabinet or on a 
games table at some point, so. 

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That's the goal, isn't it? 
That is the goal. 

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It does look nice in a cabinet. 
Yeah, all of mine has all been 

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disassembled from the move. 
Everything's still in the 

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garage, right? 
That's right, because I. 

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Know you. 
I know you. 

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Yeah, that's right. 
But let's go back. 

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Let's go back to. 
Let's go back again. 

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Let's rewind back to when you 
had Space Crusade. 

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You didn't get to play that. 
You eventually got the 

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Devastator squad from Alter 
Marines. 

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Was it always a path into one 
40K? 

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Like, did you play demos at the 
store? 

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Were you playing actively 
playing 40K at some point? 

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Tell us more about your previous
sort of gaming history. 

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Didn't play at all until second 
edition, so second edition would

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have come out. 
I had the first time we played, 

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I had a small Imperial Guard 
army and my friends came around.

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He brought his orcs and he 
allied himself with my Space 

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Marine player friend. 
So we had a little sort of game 

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on my kitchen table. 
This was high school, so I don't

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know how old I was. 
Then Mid 90s. 

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When did Second Edition come 
out? 

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About 93. 
Yeah, it must have been around 

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then sometime, yeah. 
So we had a game on the table. 

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No idea how the rules worked. 
You know, there was no missions 

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being played. 
It was literally just everyone 

295
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trying to kill everything. 
I think that's how you play when

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you're young, don't you? 
Yeah mate, that's good. 

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There's no structure to this 
game, it's just taking turns to 

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kill each other. 
And I remember a Gretchen 

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exploding my Lehman Russ tank 
and it flipping over and killing

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a load of other people. 
Because you had the big damage 

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cards, didn't you? 
For second edition, the 

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vehicles, yeah. 
That's right. 

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You had to roll on some sort of 
table, and I think we got the 

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worst possible role. 
Well, I'm just trying. 

305
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How did he do that? 
Like he's only armed with an 

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auto gun, unless your friend. 
Yeah, like a missile. 

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It was definitely. 
It was definitely an auto gun. 

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It might have even been the 
space crusade Gretchen model 

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that did it. 
Yeah, the blunderbuss. 

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Oh, nice. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Close range. 
Byron. 

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Distinctly Remember? 
I'm sure he hit the track or 

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something and it was the worst 
possible outcome and it flipped 

314
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over and landed on a bunch of 
other other things and killed 

315
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those Crack shot. 
Nice one. 

316
00:17:32,250 --> 00:17:35,330
But you know, we probably played
it completely wrong. 

317
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It was probably an impossible 
shot. 

318
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But everyone cheats when you're 
that age. 

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Oh, I've got to sit. 
Yeah, 66. 

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Yeah. 
Yeah, yeah, he's dead. 

321
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He's definitely dead. 
But. 

322
00:17:49,410 --> 00:17:52,010
No, that was good times. 
We built all our scenery at 

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school and we shouldn't have 
been in our art lessons. 

324
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I remember that using ground up 
pastels as weathering powder, 

325
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that yeah, that was probably the
best scenery I ever made. 

326
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It looked really realistic. 
Nowadays I can't get that same 

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effect going on, but I think 
it's because we had the time. 

328
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No pressure. 
Yeah, just messing around with 

329
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whatever bits you've got. 
It had that nice homemade lip to

330
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it, you know, and were your 
family supportive of your hobby?

331
00:18:28,950 --> 00:18:37,710
No, I mainly spent a lot of time
with my cousin and he thought it

332
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was terrible waste of money, 
right? 

333
00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:46,580
Didn't understand it at all. 
Until I got him to paint a Space

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Marine once. 
And then he loved it. 

335
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And then he went and got his 
own. 

336
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You know how it is, You have a 
go and then you're like, 

337
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actually, this is pretty fun. 
My mom was indifferent, I think.

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00:19:00,860 --> 00:19:04,660
I think she just thought it was 
a load of toy soldiers, waste of

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money. 
They were always seen as 

340
00:19:06,260 --> 00:19:11,180
expensive toy soldiers I think, 
but. 

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You know when you got your 
birthday money and your 

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Christmas money, that's what you
spent it on? 

343
00:19:15,630 --> 00:19:17,470
That's what you wanted? 
Yeah, that's it. 

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And how that feels. 
Never how they're feeling about 

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it now. 
You're still doing this so many 

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years on and you've got your 
YouTube channel and everything. 

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00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:28,790
What's their reaction? 
Yeah, yeah. 

348
00:19:29,950 --> 00:19:35,390
I don't think they understand 
it, but the other half, she did 

349
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a bit of voice over work for me 
the other day and she really, 

350
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really enjoyed it. 
She wants to do some more so. 

351
00:19:41,420 --> 00:19:42,660
Yeah. 
Oh, that'd be good. 

352
00:19:42,700 --> 00:19:45,700
Getting hair in fold. 
The little end's still a bit too

353
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young. 
He's not too bothered yet. 

354
00:19:47,820 --> 00:19:49,620
He just breaks stuff. 
And he's. 

355
00:19:49,820 --> 00:19:53,380
Yeah. 
My other daughter, she's a bit 

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older now. 
She tried to paint some. 

357
00:19:56,180 --> 00:19:58,260
I called them goats. 
I don't know what they were. 

358
00:19:58,260 --> 00:20:02,340
They were like a blue and white 
deer thing for fantasy. 

359
00:20:03,940 --> 00:20:08,630
Can't remember what they were. 
They look like deer or goats, 

360
00:20:08,910 --> 00:20:10,110
right? 
Yeah. 

361
00:20:10,110 --> 00:20:13,190
And they were like a white color
with like a blue shade. 

362
00:20:13,790 --> 00:20:17,270
And she wanted some of them to 
paint, did a few base coats, and

363
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:19,470
then was done with those. 
So they're all in a box 

364
00:20:19,470 --> 00:20:24,150
somewhere, OK Don't know what 
they are. 

365
00:20:24,150 --> 00:20:25,630
They'll turn. 
They'll turn up. 

366
00:20:25,630 --> 00:20:28,030
One day I'm sure someone will 
know what they are. 

367
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:33,830
I'm sure there'll be a law video
about that at some point, but 

368
00:20:33,830 --> 00:20:37,640
yeah, so yeah, it's just me 
doing it and everyone else just 

369
00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:41,840
watching me do it really at 
home, just going along with it. 

370
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,360
Yeah, but there's no one says 
no. 

371
00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:46,400
Everyone's happy for me to do it
so. 

372
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,680
That's it, mate. 
You know, it's our, yeah, it's 

373
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,480
our break away from everything 
else that's going on. 

374
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,680
And if you can incorporate your 
hobby with your family, it's 

375
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:56,800
even better to win. 
Win. 

376
00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,760
And especially the wife mate. 
Yeah, if you get the wife on 

377
00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:00,920
board, wow. 
I don't know. 

378
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,480
I don't know how I can sell that
to my wife personally. 

379
00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:06,120
Voice over work. 
I don't know. 

380
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,360
Yeah, have a go. 
They like it, I think. 

381
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,920
I think they enjoy it. 
I mean, they get a bit scared to

382
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,520
begin with. 
I think one of the comments 

383
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,520
someone wrote from that video, 
the first one she did was, is 

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00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:24,490
that an AI voice you've used? 
She was a little bit, you know, 

385
00:21:24,490 --> 00:21:26,010
put out. 
She's like, right, I'm gonna do 

386
00:21:26,010 --> 00:21:30,250
a better job. 
Next time after that, well, I 

387
00:21:30,290 --> 00:21:32,570
thought I'd get my wife 
involved, like maybe doing like 

388
00:21:32,570 --> 00:21:34,330
miniature reviews or something 
like that. 

389
00:21:34,330 --> 00:21:38,730
Because if you've got a female 
and you know an attractive one 

390
00:21:38,730 --> 00:21:42,170
at that, presenting something on
YouTube, well, your views are 

391
00:21:42,170 --> 00:21:46,410
gonna skyrocket, aren't they? 
There is a big element of that 

392
00:21:46,410 --> 00:21:48,130
in there, isn't there? 
I'm just not. 

393
00:21:48,130 --> 00:21:49,850
I'm just not pretty enough, I'm 
afraid. 

394
00:21:50,550 --> 00:21:56,710
So I'll just make up on here. 
I think maybe in a few years 

395
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:59,630
when all this AI takes over, 
you'll be able to have a big 

396
00:21:59,630 --> 00:22:02,070
filter. 
Yeah, just pretend you're 

397
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:04,270
someone you're not. 
That's true. 

398
00:22:04,550 --> 00:22:07,350
That's true, Okay. 
Well, that's good. 

399
00:22:07,350 --> 00:22:09,790
At least you got some. 
You got your family involved and

400
00:22:09,790 --> 00:22:13,790
that kind of thing. 
But are you actively gaming like

401
00:22:13,790 --> 00:22:17,040
nowadays? 
Not. 

402
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:22,840
I think the last time we gained 
was pre COVID, We had a little 

403
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:28,440
Necromunta campaign going on and
then COVID hit and then it all 

404
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,560
seemed to stop from there. 
Well, I had the baby and then we

405
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,480
moved house and this all been 
very difficult from then just to

406
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,640
be able to get the time to play 
a game really. 

407
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,210
But I'm sure that time will come
back when he's a bit older and 

408
00:22:44,210 --> 00:22:47,850
he's off at school and things 
you need and you don't have to 

409
00:22:47,850 --> 00:22:52,090
be looking after them 24/7, they
are able to just sit in a room 

410
00:22:52,090 --> 00:22:58,450
and enjoy their own toys about 
breaking everything and being a 

411
00:22:58,450 --> 00:23:01,130
constant worry, you know, I 
mean, you have to keep your eye 

412
00:23:01,130 --> 00:23:03,290
on them all the time when 
they're really little, don't 

413
00:23:03,290 --> 00:23:05,090
they too? 
And then when they grow up a 

414
00:23:05,090 --> 00:23:10,490
bit, they're away playing so you
can then get a bit of your life 

415
00:23:10,490 --> 00:23:11,690
back. 
Yeah, when? 

416
00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:14,490
When they start playing again. 
Crawl and walk. 

417
00:23:14,490 --> 00:23:16,450
That's the dangerous. 
That's the dangerous time. 

418
00:23:16,570 --> 00:23:18,330
Yeah. 
That that's the stage we're in. 

419
00:23:18,330 --> 00:23:20,850
Yeah, we're in that running 
around, pulling it. 

420
00:23:21,010 --> 00:23:26,050
He found my tub of paper. 
Just yanking them all out. 

421
00:23:26,050 --> 00:23:31,050
I heard the crash. 
They gave the tips. 

422
00:23:32,050 --> 00:23:34,090
My son's been brewing because, 
like, he'll even come in this 

423
00:23:34,090 --> 00:23:36,410
room and even when he was a 
toddler and he would come in 

424
00:23:36,410 --> 00:23:38,210
this room, he wouldn't touch 
anything. 

425
00:23:38,790 --> 00:23:39,630
It's amazing. 
It really. 

426
00:23:39,630 --> 00:23:41,110
I'm worried. 
Yeah, it's really why I'm asking

427
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:43,030
my wife. 
I have to get a lock to put the 

428
00:23:43,030 --> 00:23:46,230
lock on the door, but I have to 
put it right high so he can't 

429
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:47,950
get to it. 
And I was really worried about 

430
00:23:47,950 --> 00:23:51,070
this room cuz all my stuff's in 
here and all my miniatures. 

431
00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:55,670
How old is he? 
Well, now he's 7, so I'm talking

432
00:23:55,670 --> 00:23:57,790
about how do you find it? 
Now he's 7. 

433
00:23:58,380 --> 00:24:00,500
Is he any different with it now?
Not at all. 

434
00:24:00,780 --> 00:24:04,500
He just knows this is Papa's 
room and Papa's miniatures here,

435
00:24:04,500 --> 00:24:06,820
and I'm always painting in here 
and that kind of thing. 

436
00:24:06,820 --> 00:24:10,940
But other kids, like friends of 
his that have been here, they'll

437
00:24:10,940 --> 00:24:14,220
just like, they'll just run 
around the house and they would 

438
00:24:14,220 --> 00:24:17,100
just come in here and just pick 
up stuff and throw it around or 

439
00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:18,420
whatever. 
My son is really. 

440
00:24:19,540 --> 00:24:22,580
He's a bit probably like me, I 
think, yeah, in the same kind of

441
00:24:22,580 --> 00:24:24,100
character like he does not. 
He gets it. 

442
00:24:24,140 --> 00:24:25,620
He gets it. 
He gets it. 

443
00:24:25,620 --> 00:24:28,340
It's just not the same thing he 
only did, like when he was 

444
00:24:28,340 --> 00:24:31,020
really small. 
I remember having my dwarfs and 

445
00:24:31,020 --> 00:24:33,060
I just finished painting and I 
put them on the shelf. 

446
00:24:33,700 --> 00:24:36,620
And he very cutely grabbed a 
whole like, grabbed A fistful of

447
00:24:36,620 --> 00:24:38,460
them and he turned around, said 
Here Papa, here's your 

448
00:24:38,460 --> 00:24:39,820
miniatures. 
Ah, thanks mate. 

449
00:24:40,020 --> 00:24:41,500
Thank you very much. 
All scratched. 

450
00:24:42,100 --> 00:24:43,740
They metal, yeah, Yeah. 
But it was. 

451
00:24:45,300 --> 00:24:49,180
Really cute of him to do that. 
But yeah, and when we reminds me

452
00:24:49,180 --> 00:24:53,380
of the time we went to Warham, 
took my other half there and 

453
00:24:53,380 --> 00:24:55,340
they gave her one of the demo 
games. 

454
00:24:55,820 --> 00:24:58,460
Yeah, but they do. 
And they said we were in the 

455
00:24:58,460 --> 00:25:02,340
movement phase and they said 
your squad there has to move 6 

456
00:25:02,340 --> 00:25:04,740
inches then I've never seen it 
happen before. 

457
00:25:04,740 --> 00:25:07,980
She just sort of just pushed 
them all along with her hand 

458
00:25:08,220 --> 00:25:13,620
also bent over and slid and 
scraped along the table to move 

459
00:25:13,620 --> 00:25:17,820
the six inches. 
And I just thought most people 

460
00:25:18,020 --> 00:25:20,660
pick them up, but it was just, 
you know, push them along. 

461
00:25:20,660 --> 00:25:22,860
Like those penny shoving 
machines at the arcades. 

462
00:25:24,340 --> 00:25:27,300
I just saw the girl's face doing
the intro game. 

463
00:25:29,740 --> 00:25:33,060
There's some repainting and 
fixing going on there, but I 

464
00:25:33,060 --> 00:25:36,180
think you just assume everyone 
knows, don't you? 

465
00:25:36,260 --> 00:25:37,820
Yeah. 
Yeah, that's true. 

466
00:25:37,820 --> 00:25:40,740
Yeah, until you meet someone 
who's never done it, has no 

467
00:25:40,740 --> 00:25:45,060
experience with it, and they 
treat it very differently. 

468
00:25:46,460 --> 00:25:48,580
Yeah, it's funny now you 
mentioned the Warhammer world. 

469
00:25:48,580 --> 00:25:51,700
Like, I haven't been to a game 
store like a Warhammer Games 

470
00:25:51,700 --> 00:25:53,460
workshops. 
They're called Warhammer stores 

471
00:25:53,460 --> 00:25:55,060
now. 
But I haven't been to one in 

472
00:25:55,660 --> 00:25:58,380
over a decade. 
And I recently got to go to one 

473
00:25:58,380 --> 00:26:03,220
in Tokyo because Tokyo here in 
Japan have a Warhammer Cafe. 

474
00:26:03,220 --> 00:26:05,140
And I was. 
Kind of curious and I thought, 

475
00:26:05,220 --> 00:26:06,700
yeah, let's do it, let's go 
down. 

476
00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:08,100
That sounds good. 
That sounds. 

477
00:26:08,140 --> 00:26:08,780
Good. 
Yeah. 

478
00:26:08,780 --> 00:26:11,940
Well, I very rarely get to go to
Tokyo anyway, and this is the 

479
00:26:11,940 --> 00:26:14,620
first time in several years I've
got to go. 

480
00:26:14,620 --> 00:26:16,260
So me and my wife, I dragged my 
wife. 

481
00:26:16,260 --> 00:26:19,500
Are you a long way from there? 
Yeah, I'm about 100 clicks, 100 

482
00:26:19,500 --> 00:26:25,020
KS away from Tokyo, central 
Tokyo, and I had to go there for

483
00:26:25,540 --> 00:26:27,780
a sort of a catch up with 
friends and that kind of thing. 

484
00:26:28,340 --> 00:26:31,300
And we went there and I had a 
look at and it's yeah, it's a 

485
00:26:31,300 --> 00:26:33,220
pretty impressive kind of 
display. 

486
00:26:33,220 --> 00:26:36,300
They had lots of tables set up 
and and lots of painted 

487
00:26:36,300 --> 00:26:39,180
miniatures and these huge Titans
and stuff like that. 

488
00:26:39,460 --> 00:26:42,140
And I could really appreciate 
the the painting and skill that 

489
00:26:42,140 --> 00:26:44,580
went into, you know, the 
dedication going into painting, 

490
00:26:44,580 --> 00:26:46,740
a lot of the stuff. 
And it's all done by Japanese 

491
00:26:46,740 --> 00:26:48,980
modelers and painters, which is 
cool. 

492
00:26:48,980 --> 00:26:52,820
They've actually got their name,
Clark like near the miniature. 

493
00:26:52,820 --> 00:26:55,380
So you can, you can. 
It references the artist to the 

494
00:26:55,380 --> 00:26:57,140
work and that kind of stuff, 
which is really cool. 

495
00:26:57,550 --> 00:26:59,430
Yeah. 
So it's a bit like a mini museum

496
00:26:59,430 --> 00:27:01,470
and the cafe is not nothing to 
talk about. 

497
00:27:01,470 --> 00:27:04,790
I mean, it's just a couple of 
sofa chairs and a hole in the 

498
00:27:04,790 --> 00:27:08,630
wall with no one attending it. 
It was nothing really special, 

499
00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:11,030
but yeah. 
It was interesting to walk into 

500
00:27:11,030 --> 00:27:13,390
a Warhammer store and see what 
it's like now and it's. 

501
00:27:13,940 --> 00:27:17,380
And you know, I always think 
about the time when I went to 

502
00:27:17,380 --> 00:27:22,500
the UK in 94 and 1st going to a 
Games Workshop where the colors 

503
00:27:22,500 --> 00:27:25,540
are bright. 
You know the that was the best. 

504
00:27:25,580 --> 00:27:27,420
That was the best time for the 
sports. 

505
00:27:27,740 --> 00:27:30,060
I think nothing can be that 
experience. 

506
00:27:30,060 --> 00:27:32,740
I mean you had the the staff 
members hounding you. 

507
00:27:32,740 --> 00:27:34,180
You know like wow, you know what
do you want? 

508
00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:36,180
You know what do you what do you
want to buy today? 

509
00:27:36,180 --> 00:27:37,500
Can I interest you in something 
like this? 

510
00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:38,940
You want to demo game or 
something like that now? 

511
00:27:39,610 --> 00:27:43,330
The whole vibe of the place was 
completely different compared to

512
00:27:43,330 --> 00:27:47,170
what it is now, and I'm sure 
they were all sitting around 

513
00:27:47,170 --> 00:27:49,930
smoking when I went in there 
around that time. 

514
00:27:50,090 --> 00:27:51,650
What? 
Just chatting and smoking? 

515
00:27:51,650 --> 00:27:53,690
Yeah. 
Well, the thing I found out was 

516
00:27:53,690 --> 00:27:56,210
when I walked in, there was two 
guys, two staff members. 

517
00:27:56,210 --> 00:27:59,210
One was Japanese, one was like a
foreigner, or maybe like half 

518
00:27:59,210 --> 00:28:02,330
Japanese or whatever. 
He was on his phone just looking

519
00:28:02,330 --> 00:28:04,530
at his messages and talking to 
the other guy. 

520
00:28:05,340 --> 00:28:09,380
Now one of the the Japanese guy 
said hello and acknowledged me 

521
00:28:09,380 --> 00:28:13,340
and that kind of thing. 
I said hello but they've got 4 

522
00:28:13,340 --> 00:28:19,420
demonstration tables right now. 
I've never played 40K War Cry A 

523
00:28:19,460 --> 00:28:22,620
to Sigma Kill team, never played
those games. 

524
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,560
Now, as a staff member, you 
would think that they would walk

525
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,880
up to you and say, hey, you 
know, would you want a 

526
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,480
demonstration game? 
You know, yeah, it's a 

527
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,360
completely different atmosphere 
now. 

528
00:28:33,360 --> 00:28:35,120
There's nothing, there's no kids
in there. 

529
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:39,000
There's no sort of energy. 
It's all about, you know, this 

530
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,280
is basically a stockroom and you
want to buy something or what 

531
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,840
kind of thing. 
Now look at that nice cabinets 

532
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,240
of dioramas and stuff in there. 
But it's just soulless. 

533
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,240
There's no, so it's deeply lit 
and dark. 

534
00:28:51,550 --> 00:28:55,030
No, it was fairly well. 
It wasn't dim or anything like 

535
00:28:55,030 --> 00:28:56,470
that. 
It wasn't dingy or anything like

536
00:28:56,470 --> 00:28:58,230
that. 
It got fairly decent lighting. 

537
00:28:58,230 --> 00:29:02,470
It's got a massive TV screen on 
the back of the wall there, you 

538
00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:05,870
know, showcasing the latest 40K 
tenth edition trailer and that 

539
00:29:05,870 --> 00:29:08,470
kind of stuff. 
But you know, it's just a 

540
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:11,390
completely different atmosphere.
And I always heart back to the 

541
00:29:11,390 --> 00:29:14,830
days of the 90s where, you know,
when you walked into a Games 

542
00:29:14,830 --> 00:29:17,630
Workshop store, you had some 
kind of experience and every 

543
00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:20,150
time you left it, you left with 
a bag with. 

544
00:29:20,930 --> 00:29:23,450
Your miniatures that you bought 
that you really wanted to get, 

545
00:29:23,450 --> 00:29:26,570
or you had that demo game, or 
you saw that new product, and I 

546
00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:30,890
just don't get that same feeling
now that when people enter a 

547
00:29:30,890 --> 00:29:33,530
Warhammer store, they're just 
not getting that same 

548
00:29:33,530 --> 00:29:35,930
experience. 
Would you feel that's the same 

549
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:44,770
for you In parts? 
Yes, I missed the way you would 

550
00:29:44,770 --> 00:29:48,530
go in and you would see all the 
old box sets with the artwork on

551
00:29:48,530 --> 00:29:50,410
them. 
I used to love that artwork that

552
00:29:50,490 --> 00:29:54,650
they had. 
I thought, you know, it gave you

553
00:29:54,650 --> 00:29:58,850
that wow factor. 
You looked at the box and you 

554
00:29:58,850 --> 00:30:01,530
thought there's a model of that 
thing in the art. 

555
00:30:01,530 --> 00:30:07,250
That is amazing, but now it's 
just a photo of the thing, isn't

556
00:30:07,250 --> 00:30:08,650
it? 
I think that's the thing I find 

557
00:30:08,650 --> 00:30:13,620
very different. 
Yeah, so I missed that. 

558
00:30:14,380 --> 00:30:17,340
I miss all the blister packs 
racked up on the wall. 

559
00:30:17,700 --> 00:30:24,260
Yeah, you know you'd be rifling 
through those trying to find 

560
00:30:24,260 --> 00:30:29,180
your assault cannon Terminator. 
It would always be the one at 

561
00:30:29,180 --> 00:30:30,420
the back. 
That's right. 

562
00:30:30,460 --> 00:30:33,780
Yeah, yeah, you need to have to 
pour over it to make sure it's 

563
00:30:33,780 --> 00:30:36,740
been cast OK or they put the 
right bits in the box. 

564
00:30:37,460 --> 00:30:41,060
Yeah, but yeah, they were 
brilliant days. 

565
00:30:41,060 --> 00:30:42,860
I loved those days. 
And the cabinets. 

566
00:30:42,860 --> 00:30:52,700
I feel the cabinets were a lot 
fuller then with miniatures, but

567
00:30:53,660 --> 00:30:57,940
I don't remember if we got the 
big upsell back then or not. 

568
00:30:58,180 --> 00:31:00,900
I don't know if they just saw us
as youngsters, so it wasn't 

569
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:05,460
worth trying on, but I get that 
all the time in the shop now. 

570
00:31:05,460 --> 00:31:08,280
I really, I can't really get. 
Yeah, I can't. 

571
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,800
I just can't go in there because
they just jump on you straight 

572
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,800
away. 
You know what you painting this 

573
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,640
weekend and you explain it to 
them and they're like, have you 

574
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,720
looked at this? 
I'm like, yeah, yeah, I've seen 

575
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,120
all that. 
I don't need to look at that. 

576
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,880
Thanks. 
You want one of these? 

577
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,880
No, thank you. 
Know you know what you're in 

578
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,560
there for. 
But do they know you? 

579
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:30,800
Do they know you by name? 
They say. 

580
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,240
Hey master, how you going? 
Kind of thing. 

581
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:37,780
Is it more of a person? 
A couple of them knew me, but 

582
00:31:38,260 --> 00:31:41,460
you know, I stopped going in 
there after a while to be 

583
00:31:41,460 --> 00:31:45,100
honest. 
But yeah, there's there was one 

584
00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:48,740
main reason I didn't really want
to go in there, but don't know 

585
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:55,100
if it's really suitable for 
public broadcasts, yeah. 

586
00:31:57,460 --> 00:31:59,900
But you know, back in the 90s 
you had like someone that you 

587
00:31:59,900 --> 00:32:03,700
knew who was the best painter 
that you'd go to ask advice for.

588
00:32:04,220 --> 00:32:07,660
You knew there was a guy who was
like the main gamer and that you

589
00:32:07,660 --> 00:32:10,580
could ask for tactics or you 
know what I mean? 

590
00:32:10,580 --> 00:32:12,620
Yeah, yeah, we'd look. 
We'd all be in there. 

591
00:32:12,620 --> 00:32:16,580
We'd all going in on a Thursday 
night on the games nights and 

592
00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:19,860
there'd be loads of people in 
there playing around the tables.

593
00:32:19,860 --> 00:32:22,740
There'd be people at the 
painting table. 

594
00:32:24,260 --> 00:32:26,780
People I still know nowadays 
painting stuff. 

595
00:32:26,780 --> 00:32:30,970
Back then, you know, they had 
all the painting areas set up 

596
00:32:30,970 --> 00:32:34,530
and it was a hive of activity. 
I think is the phrase, isn't it?

597
00:32:34,690 --> 00:32:38,050
Yeah, man, nice. 
And it was great. 

598
00:32:38,610 --> 00:32:42,050
And playing games every Thursday
that would have been around, 

599
00:32:42,970 --> 00:32:46,810
Yeah, set between 2nd and 4th 
edition, I would say. 

600
00:32:46,970 --> 00:32:48,530
So I don't know what the years 
are. 

601
00:32:50,850 --> 00:32:53,450
And then, yeah, we sort of ended
up where we are now. 

602
00:32:53,450 --> 00:32:57,810
It just seems a little bit more.
I find it a bit too clinical in 

603
00:32:57,810 --> 00:33:00,050
there for me. 
Right. 

604
00:33:00,050 --> 00:33:02,370
Yeah. 
I I sort of feel the same way, 

605
00:33:02,450 --> 00:33:05,810
but then it's just not my. 
I'm just not the target audience

606
00:33:05,810 --> 00:33:06,970
anymore. 
I'm not the market. 

607
00:33:06,970 --> 00:33:08,930
They're sort of. 
I think that is it, isn't it? 

608
00:33:09,370 --> 00:33:12,290
They're looking for now and I 
just don't know who the market 

609
00:33:12,290 --> 00:33:13,770
is. 
You know it's not it's obviously

610
00:33:13,770 --> 00:33:17,930
not young kids because in, but 
apparently it is though, isn't 

611
00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:20,810
it? 
If you we I don't Have you you 

612
00:33:20,810 --> 00:33:24,390
seen the painting phase? 
Have you seen their YouTube 

613
00:33:24,390 --> 00:33:26,390
channel with peachy and the 
like? 

614
00:33:26,390 --> 00:33:30,870
No, no, no. 
They had a chap on there. 

615
00:33:30,870 --> 00:33:35,310
I think was one of their product
creators or something. 

616
00:33:35,310 --> 00:33:39,310
I forget what his job title was.
And they had a big funnel and 

617
00:33:39,310 --> 00:33:42,430
they would put all their, I 
think they called it the funnel.

618
00:33:42,430 --> 00:33:47,670
They put all their efforts into 
bringing people in from the most

619
00:33:47,670 --> 00:33:50,630
sort of generic end of the hobby
before they would get. 

620
00:33:51,540 --> 00:33:54,300
So yeah, apparently it was all 
the new starters and youngsters 

621
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:59,380
and things like that. 
But like you say to me, I think 

622
00:33:59,380 --> 00:34:02,700
it's too expensive for your 
youngsters and your new your new

623
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:04,700
starters. 
But I think, I think the whole 

624
00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:07,900
idea of like you know selling 
the magazine with a sprue of 

625
00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:11,380
models, you know that that kind 
of approach like the old days, 

626
00:34:11,380 --> 00:34:14,020
they did that as well. 
And I think that's a wonderful 

627
00:34:14,020 --> 00:34:18,900
way of accessing and having it 
distributed in places where 

628
00:34:18,900 --> 00:34:22,179
there are no game stores or. 
It's the first contact that 

629
00:34:22,179 --> 00:34:25,500
people have because when we got 
into the, into the, you know, 

630
00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:28,900
the into Games Workshop, there 
was always that first contact, 

631
00:34:28,900 --> 00:34:33,540
whether it was space, we say 
here request White Gateway, as 

632
00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:34,580
it were. 
That's right. 

633
00:34:34,580 --> 00:34:36,780
It sort of got you in. 
And I think they're trying to do

634
00:34:36,780 --> 00:34:38,020
that. 
Again, I think they're trying to

635
00:34:38,020 --> 00:34:42,980
get people into the hobby 
through accessing ways of doing 

636
00:34:42,980 --> 00:34:46,900
that through news agencies, 
through, you know, department 

637
00:34:46,900 --> 00:34:49,460
stores where they sell magazines
and that kind of thing in 

638
00:34:49,460 --> 00:34:51,199
bookstores. 
And I think it's a really good 

639
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:54,440
way because that way you get 
exposure to toy soldiers, you've

640
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,680
got people who might have been 
interested in putting together 

641
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:03,880
model kits or they've seen the 
four Ek or Warhammer computer 

642
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,600
games, and now they've got some 
kind of reference, cross 

643
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,340
reference to that to a physical.
You know, modeling kind of 

644
00:35:10,420 --> 00:35:13,020
hobby. 
And I want, you know, I 

645
00:35:13,020 --> 00:35:15,020
generally want, you know, 
sometimes I sort of, you know, 

646
00:35:15,220 --> 00:35:19,220
feel like I'm sort of giving GW 
a bad, bad time, but I really 

647
00:35:19,220 --> 00:35:22,500
generally want them to succeed 
because they're they're the sort

648
00:35:22,500 --> 00:35:28,580
of street, High Street kind of 
presence that gets people into 

649
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:32,220
tabletop gaming. 
Maybe not for life, maybe just 

650
00:35:32,220 --> 00:35:34,780
for a short time, maybe they go 
on to other things or whatever, 

651
00:35:34,780 --> 00:35:37,140
but it's it's really good that 
we have. 

652
00:35:39,130 --> 00:35:42,370
Sort of. 
Our war gaming ambassador, if 

653
00:35:42,370 --> 00:35:45,970
you like, in the market. 
Well, if they succeed, then we 

654
00:35:45,970 --> 00:35:47,850
all succeed, don't we? 
Exactly. 

655
00:35:47,850 --> 00:35:51,490
That's it. 
So if they're doing well, we see

656
00:35:51,490 --> 00:35:55,490
the growth. 
Yeah, and everyone's on board 

657
00:35:55,490 --> 00:35:56,890
with it. 
Yeah, yeah. 

658
00:35:58,050 --> 00:35:59,770
Because. 
But no, no, I like seeing it. 

659
00:35:59,770 --> 00:36:01,570
We saw it in hairdressers the 
other day. 

660
00:36:01,570 --> 00:36:03,610
It was the strangest place I've 
ever seen it. 

661
00:36:03,610 --> 00:36:06,410
Yeah, there was a men's barbers 
and they had the rack. 

662
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:08,850
You know the Games Workshop rack
with a few models on? 

663
00:36:09,210 --> 00:36:12,130
Dead set in a Barber. 
Yeah. 

664
00:36:12,130 --> 00:36:13,010
Yeah. 
Wow. 

665
00:36:14,330 --> 00:36:17,170
So they get in them everywhere 
nowadays. 

666
00:36:17,290 --> 00:36:22,570
Yeah, amazing, isn't it? 
But yeah, it's it's an 

667
00:36:22,570 --> 00:36:25,410
interesting time because there's
so much competition now. 

668
00:36:25,410 --> 00:36:29,650
Like, it's not like back in the 
90s where you had maybe D&D 

669
00:36:30,730 --> 00:36:35,210
Battle, Tech, Games Workshop and
a few other fringe kind of 

670
00:36:35,210 --> 00:36:37,530
games. 
Now it's really big business 

671
00:36:37,530 --> 00:36:40,650
for, you know, big companies who
take this very seriously, who 

672
00:36:40,930 --> 00:36:44,130
spend an awful lot of money in 
production, development, you 

673
00:36:44,130 --> 00:36:48,250
know, staff, all the overhead 
costs and everything like that. 

674
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,440
You know, it's huge. 
Now there's an absolutely huge 

675
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,280
company. 
It's just like global, aren't 

676
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,720
you? 
Yeah, so yeah. 

677
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:02,160
I think my big question is 
though, like if you had no idea 

678
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:07,320
any of this existed, where would
you tell someone to start? 

679
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:14,280
Say your son wanted to start 
40K, They had no idea about any 

680
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,880
of it. 
Where would you say you need to 

681
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,490
start with this? 
What is the start nowadays? 

682
00:37:22,050 --> 00:37:25,330
I think, I think for me it's 
kind of like those small 

683
00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:29,450
skirmish game type starter sets 
that they have. 

684
00:37:29,450 --> 00:37:31,970
You know what I mean? 
Like it's everything you get in 

685
00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:33,930
the box and that's how I 
started. 

686
00:37:33,930 --> 00:37:35,930
I got everything in the box and 
it gave me the rules. 

687
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:38,490
I got miniatures. 
The tape measures the dice, 

688
00:37:38,490 --> 00:37:43,930
everything you know, and that 
sort of forms the sort of first 

689
00:37:43,930 --> 00:37:47,360
level, so to speak, where? 
They give you the painting 

690
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,120
guide. 
They, you know, they give you 

691
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,200
the basic core rules of the game
and if you sort of get hooked, 

692
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,960
you're hooked. 
If you're not, then you put it 

693
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,280
on the shelf and forget about 
it. 

694
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,640
The second edition 40K box is 
what you're describing well. 

695
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,360
Yeah, interestingly enough, and 
listening to Rick Priestly now, 

696
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,480
because he's doing a lot more 
interviews in the last couple of

697
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,080
years, especially over COVID and
that kind of thing, there's one 

698
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,720
really interesting one on the 
cast dice. 

699
00:38:16,710 --> 00:38:19,510
Podcast, and he talked about 
that specifically. 

700
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:23,270
He said the epic space marine, 
the blue box, the 2nd edition 

701
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:27,270
one was the first of the 
prototype that they had 

702
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:29,830
everything in the box. 
You know, you terrain, that was 

703
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:31,990
brilliant. 
Well, it's gorgeous. 

704
00:38:32,590 --> 00:38:34,990
It's my favorite all time game. 
We're going to get to that 

705
00:38:34,990 --> 00:38:37,470
because I know you're sort of 
expressing a lot of interest in 

706
00:38:37,470 --> 00:38:40,190
your channel and your social 
media about Epic Space Marine. 

707
00:38:40,710 --> 00:38:43,670
And I still, yeah, yeah, I've 
got a copy under the bed, ready 

708
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:44,790
to go under. 
The bed, mate. 

709
00:38:44,830 --> 00:38:47,030
I've got a copy under my bed 
actually, but it sounds like a 

710
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:50,190
good idea. 
It's not my, it's a few bits 

711
00:38:50,270 --> 00:38:53,350
missing. 
But they're easy to find, mate, 

712
00:38:53,350 --> 00:38:55,390
easy to find. 
But like that was kind of the 

713
00:38:55,950 --> 00:38:58,630
predecessor, if you like. 
To everything that followed, 

714
00:38:58,630 --> 00:39:01,510
they just bark at it. 
That was the first big box 

715
00:39:01,510 --> 00:39:02,710
starter. 
That was it. 

716
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:04,550
And that's how it all rolled out
from there on. 

717
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:07,190
OK, OK. 
Rick had a big part to play in 

718
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:11,190
that, you know, in that and now 
that's like an industry 

719
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:13,790
standard. 
Even Warlord Games or any any 

720
00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:16,630
kind of big gaming company have 
that sort of everything you need

721
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:19,270
in the box to get you started, 
you know what I mean? 

722
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:21,510
I never knew that. 
I never knew that. 

723
00:39:22,070 --> 00:39:23,350
So it's always really 
interesting. 

724
00:39:23,350 --> 00:39:26,630
So what was that? 
What was different about that 

725
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:31,200
one over the previous one? 
Was it second edition or First 

726
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,320
edition Space Marine with the 
Dark Angels on the front? 

727
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,360
You're right, I think was it. 
And now that you said that, I 

728
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,280
think maybe it's the 1st 
edition. 

729
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,840
Sorry, not second edition. 
Maybe it's first edition because

730
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,600
you had the polystyrene 
buildings, you had the Space 

731
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,350
Marines in it. 
And did you have a Warlord 

732
00:39:51,350 --> 00:39:52,670
Titan? 
I don't know. 

733
00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:53,750
I don't know. 
No, no, no. 

734
00:39:53,910 --> 00:39:55,590
That Warlord Titan was the blue 
box. 

735
00:39:55,870 --> 00:39:59,350
Yeah, the 2nd edition. 
So I'm sorry, but I know first 

736
00:39:59,350 --> 00:40:02,270
edition had a lot of stuff in 
it, but I don't know whether 

737
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:04,350
yeah, I've. 
Never seen in that box. 

738
00:40:05,070 --> 00:40:06,430
Me either. 
I've never seen it either. 

739
00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:09,030
I'm very fascinated to know what
it's like because I know some 

740
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:10,870
people like the day. 
They're quite expensive, aren't 

741
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:13,270
they? 
Love it, but yeah, it seems a 

742
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:17,630
lot more crunchy than the 2nd 
edition one. 

743
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:20,800
From what I've seen or read 
about in old White Doors and 

744
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,000
that kind of thing, the 2nd 
edition sort of streamlined 

745
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,280
everything, made it faster to 
play, and you could get a game 

746
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,720
in six hours rather than 10 
hours in the 3rd edition, from 

747
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:32,440
what I've heard anyway, from 
people who've played it. 

748
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,280
But you can finish it in one day
as a place you're having to 

749
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,320
sleep in between, yeah? 
Yeah, but yeah, getting anything

750
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,120
in the box, I think the starter 
sets for the current game 

751
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,000
systems they sell now are the 
gateway into. 

752
00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:50,420
You know, establishing yourself 
in the hobby, painting, 

753
00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:53,140
collecting, you know, playing, 
that kind of thing. 

754
00:40:53,740 --> 00:40:55,780
What's the other one? 
Underworlds, the Underworlds 

755
00:40:55,780 --> 00:40:57,380
game. 
I really like that the board 

756
00:40:57,380 --> 00:41:01,140
game, that everything in the 
set, you just by the start of 

757
00:41:01,140 --> 00:41:05,500
set you've got 2 factions and 
away you go. 

758
00:41:05,620 --> 00:41:07,940
And I think that's a great 
everything's push fit, which is 

759
00:41:07,940 --> 00:41:10,100
good. 
You push fit the models, no glue

760
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:13,380
required. 
And in seconds, yeah. 

761
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,080
Is that the same as war cry or 
is that different? 

762
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,920
War Cry is different. 
War Cry is the is the tactical 

763
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,360
skirmish game where you have 
like a war band each. 

764
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,800
This is Underworlds is basically
a self-contained board game 

765
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,520
where you have a faction, you 
know there's two factions in the

766
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,880
set and then you have a set of 
cards and it's a really 

767
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,240
interesting, well designed board
game. 

768
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:40,880
I've enjoyed playing that as A 
and I don't even feel like I'm 

769
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,550
in the age of Sigma. 
Universe I just feel like it's 

770
00:41:43,550 --> 00:41:45,910
just a fantasy board game, just 
playing a game. 

771
00:41:46,110 --> 00:41:48,950
Yeah, that's it. 
You know, you can sort of just, 

772
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:51,470
you know, sort of separate 
yourself from you don't. 

773
00:41:51,470 --> 00:41:54,110
You don't have to sell the 
setting to someone then. 

774
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:56,110
Yeah, you just don't play the 
game well. 

775
00:41:56,350 --> 00:41:59,230
And and and we're going to get 
to the 40K law like that you 

776
00:41:59,230 --> 00:42:01,270
specialize in. 
I'm not interested in the law. 

777
00:42:01,270 --> 00:42:02,950
I don't really care. 
Like I just. 

778
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:07,230
I picked up the 2nd edition's 
epic set and that was kind of my

779
00:42:07,230 --> 00:42:09,990
foray into 40K. 
And I picked up the armies of 

780
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:13,270
the Imperium, and in there 
there's a Bill King story with 

781
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:17,910
the classic Adrian Smith artwork
of the Emperor, Horace and 

782
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:20,390
Sanguinius. 
And that story was it. 

783
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:22,030
I just read that and I thought 
that was in that box. 

784
00:42:22,030 --> 00:42:24,470
Was it? 
That was in that box and that 

785
00:42:24,670 --> 00:42:26,630
encapsulated everything. 
All I needed to know. 

786
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:27,750
That's everything I needed to 
know. 

787
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:29,590
And I didn't even know anything 
apart from that. 

788
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:32,270
All the other supplements had 
all the other factions and you 

789
00:42:32,270 --> 00:42:37,700
had the background to it. 
You know, cuz I didn't play Rd. 

790
00:42:37,700 --> 00:42:40,620
Trader, I didn't know anything 
about much about the 40K 

791
00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:44,020
factions or whatever, but Space 
Marine gave me everything I 

792
00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:46,300
needed to know and it gave me 
the flavor of the army. 

793
00:42:46,300 --> 00:42:50,500
That was the first ID version of
it all I think, wasn't it? 

794
00:42:50,580 --> 00:42:52,980
That was when they really 
started to tidy it up. 

795
00:42:53,540 --> 00:42:56,100
Yeah, yeah, everything made a 
bit more sense. 

796
00:42:56,140 --> 00:43:00,260
Everything, yeah. 
Everything was self-contained. 

797
00:43:00,460 --> 00:43:02,980
It wasn't spread out, you know, 
several. 

798
00:43:03,810 --> 00:43:07,530
Several articles in White Dwarf 
magazine and that kind of thing.

799
00:43:08,090 --> 00:43:10,930
So they had their direction, I 
think, at that point. 

800
00:43:11,050 --> 00:43:13,450
Yeah, very much so. 
Very much so, yeah. 

801
00:43:13,610 --> 00:43:16,570
But yeah, I mean, I could talk 
about Epic all day and I love 

802
00:43:16,570 --> 00:43:17,730
it. 
Absolutely love it. 

803
00:43:17,730 --> 00:43:18,930
But then I don't need to know 
about the law. 

804
00:43:19,250 --> 00:43:21,890
I mean the law. 
Is not so important to me, you 

805
00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:23,810
know, I mean, I just love the 
faction I'm playing. 

806
00:43:23,810 --> 00:43:26,650
I can get into that. 
I can get involved with, you 

807
00:43:26,650 --> 00:43:30,890
know, the, the aesthetics of the
models, the and that's and the 

808
00:43:30,890 --> 00:43:34,890
game play is really important. 
The law never has been really 

809
00:43:34,890 --> 00:43:37,610
all that important to me, to be 
honest. 

810
00:43:39,250 --> 00:43:41,130
Now it's just seasoning 
flavoring. 

811
00:43:41,170 --> 00:43:43,250
For you is that more important 
to know? 

812
00:43:43,450 --> 00:43:45,570
Is the law more important than 
the game play? 

813
00:43:47,130 --> 00:43:49,290
No, no. 
It's always the models For me 

814
00:43:49,290 --> 00:43:52,130
first, right, Just models 1st 
and then. 

815
00:43:53,130 --> 00:43:55,890
I think when you're a youngster 
you then read the law. 

816
00:43:57,370 --> 00:43:59,450
You know, for something to do, 
you read in your books. 

817
00:43:59,450 --> 00:44:03,490
But for me it was always the 
models 1st and then reading the 

818
00:44:03,490 --> 00:44:07,450
law when you don't have models 
to paint and that would make you

819
00:44:07,450 --> 00:44:11,250
want more models to sort of 
build upon itself I think. 

820
00:44:12,970 --> 00:44:14,690
Yeah, yeah, I think I'm, I'm the
same. 

821
00:44:14,690 --> 00:44:17,610
I'm, I'm always into the heavy 
metal pages, looking at the the 

822
00:44:17,610 --> 00:44:21,250
figures painted the models 
themselves and the law sort of 

823
00:44:21,250 --> 00:44:23,330
came a little bit later. 
Now that I've got back into the 

824
00:44:23,330 --> 00:44:26,570
last 4-5 years ago when I 
started getting back into the 

825
00:44:26,570 --> 00:44:28,890
Games Workshop, you know, 
nostalgia games and that kind of

826
00:44:28,890 --> 00:44:30,580
thing. 
And I actually started reading 

827
00:44:30,580 --> 00:44:32,660
the law in the books and that 
kind of thing, and reading how 

828
00:44:32,660 --> 00:44:37,740
good and how influential people 
like Bill King was to shaping 

829
00:44:37,740 --> 00:44:41,340
the worlds and the characters 
and the background and that kind

830
00:44:41,340 --> 00:44:46,580
of thing to Warhammer and 40K. 
Have they changed much of that 

831
00:44:46,580 --> 00:44:48,940
story of his? 
I don't know. 

832
00:44:49,020 --> 00:44:50,540
I really don't know. 
I don't. 

833
00:44:51,620 --> 00:44:54,100
Care. 
Because as far as I know, this 

834
00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:57,580
whole book series of the horrors
Heresy is just going on and on 

835
00:44:57,580 --> 00:44:59,780
and all, like a days of our live
saga. 

836
00:45:00,460 --> 00:45:02,700
It's dragged a bit, yeah. 
It's dragged a bit. 

837
00:45:03,020 --> 00:45:08,180
I think we're finally, yeah. 
But it started off very strong. 

838
00:45:08,260 --> 00:45:09,940
We had a bit of a dip in the 
middle there. 

839
00:45:10,830 --> 00:45:13,870
But I'm staggered like. 
People can sort of recite that 

840
00:45:13,870 --> 00:45:18,470
stuff off the top of their head.
There's a guy Benjamin from 90% 

841
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:21,310
geek YouTube channel. 
He can just recite that stuff 

842
00:45:21,310 --> 00:45:23,990
off the top of his head. 
And, you know, I don't know how 

843
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:26,430
he does it, but some people are 
really into the law, you know, 

844
00:45:26,430 --> 00:45:29,470
like they're really, it's like 
it's like anything like if you 

845
00:45:29,470 --> 00:45:32,430
follow any kind of series or 
novel or whatever, or some 

846
00:45:32,430 --> 00:45:34,990
certain writer, you really get 
involved with it. 

847
00:45:34,990 --> 00:45:36,230
But I can't. 
Yeah. 

848
00:45:37,990 --> 00:45:40,550
No, I think I just saw. 
I just read them as books. 

849
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:43,070
I used to read them on my lunch 
breaks at work. 

850
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:45,030
Right. 
So that's how I got through 

851
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:49,510
those and read all the books. 
And there were a few in there 

852
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:54,070
that I have to admit, I really 
struggled to get through. 

853
00:45:55,310 --> 00:45:58,190
There were some good ones. 
But you know, like you say, I 

854
00:45:58,190 --> 00:46:00,710
couldn't recite any of them. 
I can just remember, you know, 

855
00:46:00,710 --> 00:46:02,870
that was a good one. 
That wasn't so good. 

856
00:46:03,790 --> 00:46:05,470
The old ones. 
I like the Old Hammer, Old 

857
00:46:05,470 --> 00:46:11,310
Hammer Publications. 
And now that the Is It the old 

858
00:46:11,310 --> 00:46:13,910
Hammer Fiction podcast, am I 
getting that right? 

859
00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:17,430
Sorry, Pass. 
Are you going back to the sort 

860
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:20,950
of time when they were doing 
like the dark feature novels and

861
00:46:21,030 --> 00:46:23,710
things like that and that sort 
of era? 

862
00:46:23,830 --> 00:46:28,990
Yeah, that kind of era. 
And so like listening to those 

863
00:46:28,990 --> 00:46:32,190
on, like podcasts. 
There's a podcast out here. 

864
00:46:32,750 --> 00:46:34,870
And I'm gonna get it here, The 
All Hammer Fiction podcast, I've

865
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:37,830
got to write Okay Louis Davies. 
He does. 

866
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:43,030
He reads these stories from that
particular era. 

867
00:46:43,110 --> 00:46:46,070
So, like Ian Watson. 
Bill King. 

868
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:48,190
Oh okay. 
So like a read along. 

869
00:46:48,590 --> 00:46:53,470
Yeah, basically he just read. 
He's trained in theater and I 

870
00:46:53,470 --> 00:46:55,170
think he's a. 
Oh, wow. 

871
00:46:55,410 --> 00:46:57,850
A theater teacher or English 
teacher at school. 

872
00:46:57,850 --> 00:47:00,930
He's a teacher. 
And he he discovered that he, he

873
00:47:00,930 --> 00:47:02,690
loves reading and he loves all 
these old books. 

874
00:47:02,690 --> 00:47:05,370
That's kind of his thing. 
That's his niche kind of thing. 

875
00:47:06,010 --> 00:47:07,810
And he started reading. 
I'm going to have to have that 

876
00:47:07,810 --> 00:47:10,050
on the background now. 
You've got to listen to it mate,

877
00:47:10,050 --> 00:47:11,690
because you'll love it. 
It's got like the death wing 

878
00:47:11,690 --> 00:47:12,810
story. 
Yeah, that sounds great. 

879
00:47:13,930 --> 00:47:15,250
I've never, I've never read that
one. 

880
00:47:15,650 --> 00:47:18,490
You've got to listen to. 
I mean, that's how that's where 

881
00:47:18,490 --> 00:47:20,730
the Death Wing were like Apache 
Indians, mate, And they were 

882
00:47:20,730 --> 00:47:24,090
just like brilliant. 
Yeah, I'll never forget. 

883
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:27,180
And this is the time when they 
released a plastic Terminator 

884
00:47:27,180 --> 00:47:31,660
set. 
Now this is 2000 and I don't 

885
00:47:31,820 --> 00:47:33,420
know eight. 
Which ones? 

886
00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:37,540
The ones they had in the. 
The multi part, the multi part 

887
00:47:37,540 --> 00:47:41,620
ones, I didn't like those ones, 
they looked weird. 

888
00:47:41,980 --> 00:47:45,620
They do look weird now. 
I prefer the 2nd Edition Space 

889
00:47:45,620 --> 00:47:48,020
Hulk, kind of. 
Plastic ones, you know? 

890
00:47:48,020 --> 00:47:50,820
But I got that set. 
My friend gave it to me. 

891
00:47:50,820 --> 00:47:54,340
I wasn't big into 40K, but I 
thought, oh that's cool, I'll 

892
00:47:54,340 --> 00:47:58,460
take these up for golden demons.
So I did them in the traditional

893
00:47:58,460 --> 00:47:59,140
stage. 
Did you win? 

894
00:47:59,820 --> 00:48:02,260
Well, this is the thing. 
This is the controversy, all 

895
00:48:02,260 --> 00:48:03,460
right? 
This is what sort of got me out 

896
00:48:03,460 --> 00:48:05,460
of playing. 
Like entering Golden Demon. 

897
00:48:05,740 --> 00:48:07,580
I did them. 
I'd actually sculpted all the 

898
00:48:07,580 --> 00:48:10,860
feathers and long hair and I 
made them like the real 

899
00:48:10,860 --> 00:48:13,400
traditional. 
Old school old hammer. 

900
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,840
Dark angels. 
Definitely it didn't it. 

901
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,320
Didn't go down too well, mate, 
because the judge, they looked 

902
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,800
at it and thought, well, this 
ain't, this ain't like modern 

903
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,240
you know, dark angels, mate, 
This is like old Hammer. 

904
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:25,640
They didn't. 
They probably didn't even know 

905
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:27,380
when was this. 
When did you? 

906
00:48:27,580 --> 00:48:30,180
When did you enter these? 
2006, two thousand. 

907
00:48:30,180 --> 00:48:32,300
I don't know. 
It was when that that box was 

908
00:48:32,340 --> 00:48:35,300
released. 
So I spent ages like, you know, 

909
00:48:35,580 --> 00:48:38,140
modeling them up and converting 
them and that kind of thing and 

910
00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:40,420
painting them. 
I really enjoyed doing as a 

911
00:48:40,420 --> 00:48:43,020
project as the one off project 
actually turned into a dark 

912
00:48:43,020 --> 00:48:46,900
Angel army later. 
But yeah, it's it's, it's it's a

913
00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:50,340
shame that they changed. 
That's all that that's all 

914
00:48:50,340 --> 00:48:51,980
changed. 
They've just, they've binned all

915
00:48:51,980 --> 00:48:55,820
that and now it's just like 
just, you know, vanilla looking.

916
00:48:56,630 --> 00:49:00,510
Death wing. 
There's no sort of, because they

917
00:49:00,510 --> 00:49:04,550
all had like American Indian 
names and that kind of stuff. 

918
00:49:04,550 --> 00:49:07,470
Yeah, they they, they had a lot 
of face paint and things like 

919
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:09,070
that. 
I remember that there was big 

920
00:49:09,070 --> 00:49:11,350
feathers. 
And yeah, they were, they were 

921
00:49:11,350 --> 00:49:13,190
nice. 
Yeah, they were cool that maybe 

922
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:13,910
into it. 
Yeah. 

923
00:49:17,090 --> 00:49:19,810
I was going to say were they, 
did they have to get away from 

924
00:49:19,810 --> 00:49:22,650
that because they were worried 
about, you know, cultural 

925
00:49:22,650 --> 00:49:24,490
appropriation and all these 
things? 

926
00:49:24,570 --> 00:49:28,570
No, it's just the aesthetic. 
Or did they just think it wasn't

927
00:49:28,690 --> 00:49:30,890
cool anymore? 
Probably, yeah. 

928
00:49:30,890 --> 00:49:33,810
They just as they do, they 
change things from, you know, 

929
00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:37,330
every now and again. 
And it just didn't fit because 

930
00:49:37,330 --> 00:49:42,490
then it was like and at that 
stage I did go to a store. 

931
00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:46,540
And play a game and you couldn't
use miniatures. 

932
00:49:46,540 --> 00:49:48,860
They weren't selling at the 
time, so you couldn't. 

933
00:49:49,100 --> 00:49:53,380
I couldn't take more classic Kev
Adams Rogue Trader Org Army 

934
00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:56,700
there because the manager would 
say mate, sorry, we don't sell 

935
00:49:56,700 --> 00:49:57,860
those models. 
You've got to pack them up and 

936
00:49:57,940 --> 00:50:00,300
go back home. 
That's dead set, mate. 

937
00:50:00,300 --> 00:50:01,580
Dead set. 
No. 

938
00:50:01,580 --> 00:50:03,420
Bullshit. 
I never understood this. 

939
00:50:03,420 --> 00:50:05,860
I never understood this 
reasoning. 

940
00:50:06,140 --> 00:50:10,300
Yeah, because if someone likes 
them, you still have to buy the 

941
00:50:10,300 --> 00:50:12,380
paints and things to paint them,
yeah? 

942
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:16,310
But, and you might buy more. 
Okay. 

943
00:50:16,310 --> 00:50:18,670
They're not commercially 
available, but boy, boy, they'll

944
00:50:18,790 --> 00:50:23,630
raise a lot of more interest 
than the like the the sort of 

945
00:50:23,630 --> 00:50:25,950
current stuff people go. 
Yeah, I remember those. 

946
00:50:25,950 --> 00:50:28,390
I got those when I was a kid or 
whatever. 

947
00:50:28,510 --> 00:50:31,750
But yeah, there was a real 
killjoy feeling in those stores 

948
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:33,470
at that time. 
It's like they were trying to 

949
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:35,230
ignore their own history at that
point. 

950
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,880
Like, we don't talk about where 
we came from. 

951
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,200
Yeah, the concept. 
Passed down some kind of law and

952
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,440
that was it. 
But yeah, but I think we're 

953
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,680
getting back now. 
I think they're letting it seep 

954
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,720
in a little more now. 
I'm starting to see the old 

955
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:56,720
stuff sort of be at least they 
give it the old nod and 

956
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:59,760
reference here and there as 
opposed to completely ignoring 

957
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,120
it like they used to. 
Yeah. 

958
00:51:03,060 --> 00:51:04,620
Yeah, maybe. 
Maybe it's confined to the Black

959
00:51:04,620 --> 00:51:08,940
Library now and so now you know 
certain parts of the law or 

960
00:51:08,940 --> 00:51:11,740
history are sort of coming out 
of the Black Library bit by bit 

961
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:16,420
and sitting it out into the 
interwebs and letting everybody 

962
00:51:16,420 --> 00:51:19,420
have a go at it. 
But yeah, it's always 

963
00:51:19,500 --> 00:51:23,780
interesting to see and hear 
people who are interested. 

964
00:51:23,780 --> 00:51:26,820
Like 1 gentleman joined our 
Discord group. 

965
00:51:26,900 --> 00:51:28,900
He's very young. 
He never got into. 

966
00:51:29,820 --> 00:51:32,940
Old Hammer or you know, even, 
you know, 90s gaming. 

967
00:51:32,940 --> 00:51:35,900
But he's, he was quite 
interested in it, in it, and he 

968
00:51:35,980 --> 00:51:38,260
really wanted to know more about
it and that kind of stuff. 

969
00:51:38,260 --> 00:51:41,660
So it's nice to hear younger 
gent, like people who are 20 or 

970
00:51:41,660 --> 00:51:45,420
30 years younger than me, who is
now discovering it and sort of 

971
00:51:45,420 --> 00:51:47,860
quite keenly interested into 
knowing more about it and 

972
00:51:47,860 --> 00:51:50,380
playing these old games and 
collecting the miniatures and 

973
00:51:50,380 --> 00:51:54,860
stuff, which is really cool. 
It must be interesting because, 

974
00:51:54,860 --> 00:51:57,740
you know, like you say, a lot of
these new players nowadays have 

975
00:51:57,740 --> 00:52:00,620
no idea. 
They've never seen this side of 

976
00:52:00,620 --> 00:52:02,140
it. 
You know, they've never seen the

977
00:52:02,140 --> 00:52:05,180
models from 20 years ago. 
And unless you're shown them 

978
00:52:05,260 --> 00:52:08,660
yeah, or stumble across them 
somewhere, you would never know 

979
00:52:08,660 --> 00:52:10,820
they exist. 
Yep, that's right. 

980
00:52:11,500 --> 00:52:14,220
And then when you find some, 
you're down the rabbit hole, 

981
00:52:14,220 --> 00:52:16,020
aren't you? 
Yep, that's right, man. 

982
00:52:16,620 --> 00:52:20,450
Yeah, So and then and then your 
wallet is empty. 

983
00:52:20,490 --> 00:52:24,090
Yeah, for the rest of time. 
Very true indeed. 

984
00:52:24,090 --> 00:52:27,050
Very true indeed. 
The prices on eBay nowadays. 

985
00:52:27,450 --> 00:52:31,010
Are they shooting up still? 
I remember when I looked at a 

986
00:52:31,010 --> 00:52:33,450
few things and they were quite 
pricey. 

987
00:52:33,530 --> 00:52:35,330
Yeah. 
Well, when I went to that one 

988
00:52:35,370 --> 00:52:38,890
store, it was just nuts. 
The pricing on those things were

989
00:52:38,890 --> 00:52:42,170
just crazy like but new current 
ones. 

990
00:52:42,370 --> 00:52:45,790
Yeah, the new current stuff. 
Yeah, the new current stuff for 

991
00:52:45,950 --> 00:52:49,070
for the older stuff, I know it's
it's just gone through the roof.

992
00:52:49,870 --> 00:52:53,030
I think during COVID it's just 
just got, you know, over. 

993
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:56,030
But I never got eBay. 
That's the last place I ever go 

994
00:52:56,030 --> 00:52:57,510
to. 
I really. 

995
00:52:58,350 --> 00:53:00,070
I wouldn't even know where else 
to look. 

996
00:53:00,670 --> 00:53:02,350
Facebook groups, Facebook 
groups. 

997
00:53:02,350 --> 00:53:03,910
I've just done everything 
through Facebook. 

998
00:53:04,110 --> 00:53:08,190
I basically basically bought my 
entire dwarf army like old 

999
00:53:08,190 --> 00:53:11,600
hammer army through Facebook. 
Trading groups like Oldhammer 

1000
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:13,760
Trading groups, Middlehammer 
Trading groups. 

1001
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,720
So yeah, I'll have to join a few
of those then. 

1002
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,200
Yeah mate, cuz it's all 
regulated. 

1003
00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:21,560
So the Oldhammer trading group 
is regulated. 

1004
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:25,320
It has a evaluation so you can 
evaluate the prices. 

1005
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,880
People will give you a price and
then that's good, That's good. 

1006
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,360
Yeah, which means it keeps it 
fair and honest. 

1007
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,280
So you don't see, you don't see 
like a model going for like £50 

1008
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,920
or something like that, It's 
just stupid. 

1009
00:53:39,290 --> 00:53:42,330
And so nothing like you, you 
say. 

1010
00:53:42,330 --> 00:53:44,650
Stupid. 
I think I was watching a Land 

1011
00:53:44,650 --> 00:53:47,930
Raider, you know, the original 
plastic ones in a box. 

1012
00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:50,730
And I thought, ah, you know, 
I'll give that a watch. 

1013
00:53:50,770 --> 00:53:54,050
I wonder how much this is worth.
It went for around 5 to 600 

1014
00:53:54,050 --> 00:53:58,290
pounds I think in the end. 
Oh wow, that's the price they're

1015
00:53:58,290 --> 00:54:01,090
worth nowadays, is it? 
Crazy net. 

1016
00:54:01,370 --> 00:54:04,450
That is a lot, isn't it? 
You know from £10 what they were

1017
00:54:04,450 --> 00:54:07,170
originally at or £12, something 
like that. 

1018
00:54:07,450 --> 00:54:11,450
Amazing net and now 5 to 600 
pounds. 

1019
00:54:11,450 --> 00:54:14,650
There was a few people bidding 
on it, so someone had to have 

1020
00:54:14,650 --> 00:54:15,610
it. 
Good luck to him. 

1021
00:54:15,610 --> 00:54:18,330
Good luck to him. 
I'd say if they got the money to

1022
00:54:18,330 --> 00:54:21,530
do that, they priced me out of 
those. 

1023
00:54:21,930 --> 00:54:25,690
I can't. 
You know I can't justify 600 

1024
00:54:25,690 --> 00:54:27,450
pounds for another grand ready 
yet. 

1025
00:54:27,730 --> 00:54:31,010
Maybe one day, if I win the 
lottery, I'll yeah, I'll buy a 

1026
00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:32,650
few. 
Then you can sell them again, 

1027
00:54:33,570 --> 00:54:37,290
double the price or whatever, so
they can go in the garage. 

1028
00:54:37,490 --> 00:54:39,290
Yeah, collect us like everything
else. 

1029
00:54:40,730 --> 00:54:43,090
Yeah, right. 
Let's talk about your YouTube 

1030
00:54:43,090 --> 00:54:44,810
channel and that Snake Works 
Studio. 

1031
00:54:45,730 --> 00:54:49,810
Now when I first found your 
YouTube studio, sorry YouTube 

1032
00:54:49,810 --> 00:54:53,050
channel, it wasn't called Snake 
Works Studio was it? 

1033
00:54:54,570 --> 00:54:57,930
No, no. 
That was sci-fi war gamers, 

1034
00:54:58,850 --> 00:55:00,270
right? 
OK. 

1035
00:55:00,430 --> 00:55:03,710
And that was the name of my 
first blog I had. 

1036
00:55:03,710 --> 00:55:05,070
I don't know if you remember 
blogs. 

1037
00:55:05,110 --> 00:55:07,150
We all had blogs at one point, 
didn't we? 

1038
00:55:09,070 --> 00:55:13,670
And I was doing a few things 
then, and I spent a lot of time 

1039
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:19,470
on that old X Wing game, came 
out and yeah, and then 

1040
00:55:19,710 --> 00:55:22,550
progressed onto YouTube. 
And then my friends kept 

1041
00:55:22,550 --> 00:55:25,910
referring to me as Scifi war 
gamers. 

1042
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:28,190
And I thought, I really don't 
like that name. 

1043
00:55:31,380 --> 00:55:34,860
I don't know why, you know, he 
just kept calling me Scifi War 

1044
00:55:34,860 --> 00:55:36,340
gamers. 
And I just thought, oh, it 

1045
00:55:36,340 --> 00:55:40,020
sounds a bit, I don't know, I 
didn't like it. 

1046
00:55:40,060 --> 00:55:42,100
So we did a bit of a rebrand. 
Right. 

1047
00:55:42,260 --> 00:55:43,860
So what was, what was snake 
works? 

1048
00:55:43,860 --> 00:55:45,660
What's what's the thinking 
behind that then? 

1049
00:55:47,300 --> 00:55:51,900
Always had snakes collected a 
few snakes over the years. 

1050
00:55:52,060 --> 00:55:54,660
OK, me and my wife had a few. 
Yeah, right, right. 

1051
00:55:55,060 --> 00:55:58,300
So we were big into snakes, and 
I had a little snake as the 

1052
00:55:58,300 --> 00:56:05,860
logo, and eventually the sort of
snakes got phased out, but I was

1053
00:56:05,860 --> 00:56:08,740
left with the name. 
So that's sort of kind of how it

1054
00:56:08,740 --> 00:56:12,220
happened. 
There was, if some of the older 

1055
00:56:12,220 --> 00:56:15,380
videos do have actual snakes in,
I think they made a few 

1056
00:56:15,380 --> 00:56:16,540
appearances. 
Yeah. 

1057
00:56:16,580 --> 00:56:18,340
Yeah, yeah. 
They were sort of on the desk. 

1058
00:56:19,420 --> 00:56:20,500
Yeah. 
Amazing. 

1059
00:56:20,780 --> 00:56:21,580
Have it. 
Snake Bite. 

1060
00:56:21,660 --> 00:56:22,860
Have it. 
Snake Bite works. 

1061
00:56:24,780 --> 00:56:29,900
No, that's a drink, isn't it? 
Snake Bite Someone used to have 

1062
00:56:29,900 --> 00:56:34,300
Snake bite in black. 
It sounds like some kind of walk

1063
00:56:34,340 --> 00:56:36,100
cocktail mate. 
I don't think I want to try 

1064
00:56:36,100 --> 00:56:38,660
something. 
I don't know what's in there, 

1065
00:56:38,660 --> 00:56:42,780
but yeah, but snake work is just
meant to be a bit of a play on 

1066
00:56:42,780 --> 00:56:45,700
the old skunk works from 
Lockheed, right? 

1067
00:56:45,820 --> 00:56:48,580
And all the, you know, the 
American. 

1068
00:56:49,020 --> 00:56:51,900
Yeah, fighters and things that 
they were building. 

1069
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:53,260
Right. 
OK, that's cool. 

1070
00:56:54,540 --> 00:56:58,410
I'll just do a little play on 
that and I've just thought I've 

1071
00:56:58,410 --> 00:57:01,690
had it since. 
But you gotta say, it's pretty 

1072
00:57:01,690 --> 00:57:04,330
phenomenal. 
You've released over 1000 

1073
00:57:04,330 --> 00:57:08,410
videos. 
Yeah. 900 are terrible. 

1074
00:57:12,210 --> 00:57:15,250
Yeah. 
The first few years, I had no 

1075
00:57:15,250 --> 00:57:19,130
idea what I was doing. 
It was literally just filming 

1076
00:57:19,130 --> 00:57:24,500
what you were doing on the day. 
Yeah, no camera tripods or 

1077
00:57:24,500 --> 00:57:26,820
anything like that. 
So if you want a bit of motion 

1078
00:57:26,820 --> 00:57:28,980
sickness, go and watch some 
things Other ones. 

1079
00:57:29,940 --> 00:57:31,980
Sounds like some way early 
videos too, yeah? 

1080
00:57:32,060 --> 00:57:34,300
Yeah, yeah. 
But the weird thing is, at the 

1081
00:57:34,300 --> 00:57:36,140
time, you think you're doing a 
good job. 

1082
00:57:36,460 --> 00:57:40,500
Yeah, yeah. 
It's amazing what you learn over

1083
00:57:40,500 --> 00:57:42,620
the years. 
A friend of mine just started 

1084
00:57:42,620 --> 00:57:45,660
watching some of my old ones and
he said they are absolutely 

1085
00:57:45,660 --> 00:57:47,960
terrible. 
Well, I think a lot of that 

1086
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,880
comes from self analysis. 
You know, like you do, you 

1087
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:54,160
criticize yourself, you look at 
your own videos, you criticize 

1088
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,840
things. 
Well, actually when I could edit

1089
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,440
that a lot better because you 
know, I do that as well When I 

1090
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,680
look at my videos and think, 
bloody hell, why didn't I take 

1091
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:06,480
that out or why did I leave that
in or you know, but you just 

1092
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,840
evolve, isn't it evolving? 
I was watching your the banner 

1093
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,320
making one which I liked. 
All right, cool. 

1094
00:58:14,750 --> 00:58:17,270
Yeah, I like that. 
I never knew how to make the old

1095
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:18,950
style band. 
It's not, you know, that's been 

1096
00:58:18,950 --> 00:58:21,470
bookmarked the later use. 
Good on you mate. 

1097
00:58:21,470 --> 00:58:24,150
Yeah, I hope you can do that, 
because, yeah, I mean, it's a 

1098
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:26,950
pliable 440K and fantasy 
whatever, you know? 

1099
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:29,590
So I hope you get some. 
It was all the free. 

1100
00:58:29,590 --> 00:58:32,070
You did all the free handing on 
that one as well, didn't you, 

1101
00:58:32,070 --> 00:58:35,150
from what I remember? 
Yeah, it's all drawn out like 

1102
00:58:35,150 --> 00:58:37,990
the old school. 
Yeah, that I was very impressed 

1103
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:40,110
with that. 
That was like a nice little down

1104
00:58:40,110 --> 00:58:43,390
memory lane for me. 
Yeah mate, I was, I was looking 

1105
00:58:43,390 --> 00:58:46,340
at some. 
Another video from another 

1106
00:58:46,340 --> 00:58:50,420
gentleman that I just found out 
about Stompy 51. 

1107
00:58:51,820 --> 00:58:53,700
I think that's his name of his 
YouTube channel. 

1108
00:58:53,700 --> 00:59:00,700
But anyhow, he did like a review
of the old Golden Demon 198990 

1109
00:59:01,260 --> 00:59:03,860
awards when they actually had 
booked publications for them 

1110
00:59:04,380 --> 00:59:08,600
like John Blanche, and when they
released those and then three of

1111
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,480
those books, didn't they? 
I think so. 

1112
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,160
And they never did them again. 
Yeah, it's a shame because, man,

1113
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,280
some of the banners in there are
just amazing. 

1114
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,680
I mean, okay, you can probably 
discount some of the paint jobs.

1115
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,880
They're not fabulous compared to
modern standards, of course, but

1116
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:23,440
they still had their unique 
charm. 

1117
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,320
But the banners were just 
incredible. 

1118
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,560
You know what, guys? 
Banners is definitely of the 

1119
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,040
era. 
That's something on this. 

1120
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,400
Yeah, me too, Me too, Freehand 
banners. 

1121
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:39,240
It was another little, you know,
a way to put your own personal 

1122
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:40,640
spin on things. 
Yep. 

1123
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,960
You had to design your own 
little logos and you know, Yep. 

1124
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,120
That's right. 
That personality, individuality 

1125
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,960
that you'd get, You'd recognize 
someone's work, you'd see their 

1126
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,520
banner style. 
Yep. 

1127
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,400
And they were huge as well, 
weren't they, back then? 

1128
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,120
Yeah, massive men or huge. 
I mean, I don't know how that 

1129
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:03,200
was transported out there, yeah.
It's amazing, yeah. 

1130
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,300
But yeah, I love seeing those 
old banners, very wonderful. 

1131
01:00:07,820 --> 01:00:09,860
You know going through your 
videos here, I mean you talk a 

1132
01:00:09,860 --> 01:00:12,340
lot about law and I know you 
really work hard on you're 

1133
01:00:12,340 --> 01:00:14,940
scripting everything as you're 
filming it. 

1134
01:00:15,180 --> 01:00:18,260
You're scripting the whole lot 
before you go to record it. 

1135
01:00:18,260 --> 01:00:19,900
And they're done very 
professionally. 

1136
01:00:19,900 --> 01:00:24,260
And I know you you set, you sort
of focus your videos on the old 

1137
01:00:24,260 --> 01:00:27,140
hammer and some of the new 
hammer too. 

1138
01:00:27,140 --> 01:00:30,860
But a lot of the old Hammer 
glory days of you know, For 

1139
01:00:30,860 --> 01:00:34,740
example, today I watched your 
the best Chaos miniatures old 

1140
01:00:34,740 --> 01:00:38,570
Hammer heavy metal. 
Yeah, yeah, on the cows, 

1141
01:00:38,650 --> 01:00:42,850
warriors and stuff like that. 
That's just like a little, you 

1142
01:00:42,850 --> 01:00:45,890
know, I like to have a trip down
memory lane again, have a look 

1143
01:00:45,890 --> 01:00:48,730
at the old minute. 
And I think no one gets to see 

1144
01:00:48,730 --> 01:00:50,730
these. 
There's no other way for people 

1145
01:00:50,730 --> 01:00:54,770
to see them. 
And I just think, I think 

1146
01:00:54,770 --> 01:00:57,530
they're great to look at. 
Yeah, me too. 

1147
01:00:57,570 --> 01:00:59,290
I think. 
I think more people need to see 

1148
01:00:59,290 --> 01:01:00,890
them. 
Yeah, that's great. 

1149
01:01:00,890 --> 01:01:04,850
I'm glad you were doing that. 
You know yourself and and a very

1150
01:01:04,850 --> 01:01:08,250
few other people are actually, 
you know, presenting this sort 

1151
01:01:08,250 --> 01:01:12,090
of stuff, this old, old, old. 
We're preserving the history. 

1152
01:01:12,090 --> 01:01:13,770
Otherwise it's just gone, isn't 
it? 

1153
01:01:13,890 --> 01:01:18,330
Yeah, that's right mate. 
So that's always good to see and

1154
01:01:18,330 --> 01:01:21,290
it brings back some good 
memories of certain page jobs 

1155
01:01:21,290 --> 01:01:23,810
and you have, you have a very 
unique style about how you 

1156
01:01:23,810 --> 01:01:27,250
present it and and that kind of.
Thing as well, Yeah, it's 

1157
01:01:27,250 --> 01:01:29,970
probably a bit Marmite. 
I know some people. 

1158
01:01:30,890 --> 01:01:34,170
Get a bit upset about some 
things, but really okay well. 

1159
01:01:34,210 --> 01:01:35,330
You either? 
Yeah. 

1160
01:01:35,330 --> 01:01:38,450
I think you either get the sense
of humor or you don't, right? 

1161
01:01:38,450 --> 01:01:41,930
I know it's one of those things 
I'm not gonna be. 

1162
01:01:43,090 --> 01:01:46,090
I can't please everyone. 
It's just that's the sense of 

1163
01:01:46,090 --> 01:01:50,390
humor. 
I did like the Chaos Granny's. 

1164
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:53,790
Was it Granny's curtains, pants 
or something like that? 

1165
01:01:53,790 --> 01:01:56,670
You remarked on the style of 
sculpting or whatever. 

1166
01:01:57,150 --> 01:01:58,830
Yeah, you just see something, 
don't you? 

1167
01:01:58,830 --> 01:02:01,830
And it just pops in your head 
immediately what it reminds you 

1168
01:02:01,870 --> 01:02:03,510
of. 
And it's just like, no, that's 

1169
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:07,870
what it is to me. 
But I also like, I also like the

1170
01:02:07,870 --> 01:02:10,710
Brits presenting this stuff 
because you know, when I think 

1171
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:14,750
of Gang's workshop, of course 
it's from, it's from the UK, 

1172
01:02:14,750 --> 01:02:17,910
it's, you know, it has it's 
Homeland is there. 

1173
01:02:17,910 --> 01:02:24,060
So when I hear English voices 
and see Old Hammer, it's kind of

1174
01:02:24,060 --> 01:02:27,180
a, you know, it sort of it suits
it so well. 

1175
01:02:27,180 --> 01:02:31,940
I think the blend of the OK, 
yeah, yeah, you know what I 

1176
01:02:31,940 --> 01:02:33,140
mean. 
And the sense of humor and 

1177
01:02:33,140 --> 01:02:35,260
everything, It's all part of 
that package. 

1178
01:02:36,180 --> 01:02:37,340
It fits. 
Yeah. 

1179
01:02:37,380 --> 01:02:39,220
So if I had someone like me, 
it's. 

1180
01:02:39,500 --> 01:02:41,060
All appropriate Ozzy accent. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1181
01:02:41,420 --> 01:02:44,100
Maybe it doesn't get, maybe 
doesn't come across as well. 

1182
01:02:44,220 --> 01:02:46,900
So, yeah. 
And when I like to hear that. 

1183
01:02:47,020 --> 01:02:49,900
No, I've never thought of that. 
Yeah, until you say that. 

1184
01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:53,540
But I think for me, yeah, I like
to hear an English perspective 

1185
01:02:53,540 --> 01:02:57,020
on stuff, you know what I mean? 
Like the British perspective on 

1186
01:02:57,540 --> 01:03:01,660
these kind of things, cuz yeah, 
I mean you guys were saturated 

1187
01:03:01,660 --> 01:03:04,940
with games, workshops back then 
and all this kind of hobby 

1188
01:03:04,940 --> 01:03:06,980
goodness for us poor 
Australians. 

1189
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,880
We have to wait many years 
later, many decades later, 

1190
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,760
before we got our first gang. 
When did you get it? 

1191
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:16,160
Yeah, I have no idea. 
When that came out over there, I

1192
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,160
just assumed it was always 
there, you know? 

1193
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:23,360
Well, I went for an interview to
work at the very first Gangs 

1194
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,720
workshop. 
They put in Sydney and I went to

1195
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,000
the interview. 
It was in Brisbane and I sat 

1196
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,440
down and I brought some 
miniatures along and they asked 

1197
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:35,000
me some questions and I didn't 
know, you know, like it was 

1198
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,120
pretty nerve wracking. 
But they said at the end I think

1199
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:42,360
we might have a spot for you in 
the mail order section instead 

1200
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:46,160
of detail in mail order or 
whatever, but it just didn't 

1201
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,760
work out to anything. 
And then after that, soon after 

1202
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,600
that, I went to the UK and 
worked over there in Oxford 

1203
01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:55,320
Street at the Plaza. 
So. 

1204
01:03:56,210 --> 01:03:59,370
Where did you get your 
miniatures from if the Games 

1205
01:03:59,370 --> 01:04:01,970
Workshop shop wasn't open there?
Very good question. 

1206
01:04:01,970 --> 01:04:05,690
Well, there was one store in 
Brisbane because I can only 

1207
01:04:05,690 --> 01:04:07,930
relate to what happened in 
Brisbane because that's where 

1208
01:04:07,970 --> 01:04:09,330
you know, that was my closest 
city. 

1209
01:04:09,650 --> 01:04:13,490
But on the Gold Coast where I 
was living, there was a small 

1210
01:04:14,130 --> 01:04:18,410
comic shop in the mall in 
Southport and they had a range 

1211
01:04:18,410 --> 01:04:21,740
in a corner of all. 
And when I first discovered it 

1212
01:04:21,740 --> 01:04:24,820
was basically Rd. 
Trader 3rd Edition, 40K First 

1213
01:04:24,820 --> 01:04:27,620
edition Space Marine. 
All the classic stuff, all the 

1214
01:04:27,620 --> 01:04:30,980
classic paint sets, the Citadel 
color sets of the golden demon. 

1215
01:04:31,420 --> 01:04:35,860
You know the I think it's Tony. 
The best paint is that art Bob 

1216
01:04:35,860 --> 01:04:40,180
Mays with. 
I love it mate. 

1217
01:04:40,180 --> 01:04:41,900
Yeah, that. 
That stuff for me is just like 

1218
01:04:42,060 --> 01:04:44,180
awesome. 
Seeing the the rack of 

1219
01:04:44,180 --> 01:04:46,340
miniatures with all the Marauder
miniatures. 

1220
01:04:46,340 --> 01:04:48,500
They just had a rack with 
marauder miniatures on it. 

1221
01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:54,140
So I got my trip, my EC, all 
slayers and you know my ogre 

1222
01:04:54,140 --> 01:04:57,020
there and they were the first 
middle miniatures I bought. 

1223
01:04:57,020 --> 01:05:00,660
And yeah, that that was the 
glory days for me at that time. 

1224
01:05:01,860 --> 01:05:05,900
No, I would have to agree. 
I just look back and I think, is

1225
01:05:05,900 --> 01:05:11,020
it our nostalgia that does that?
Was it better or did it just 

1226
01:05:11,020 --> 01:05:16,860
have a different feel to it, you
know, and if we look at it now 

1227
01:05:16,860 --> 01:05:18,930
with, no. 
Experience. 

1228
01:05:18,930 --> 01:05:20,330
Would we think it looked 
terrible? 

1229
01:05:20,650 --> 01:05:24,770
Would we think it looked really 
tacky or anything like that? 

1230
01:05:25,650 --> 01:05:28,770
Yeah, I don't know. 
I think you gotta put it to the 

1231
01:05:28,770 --> 01:05:32,170
people who are in the hobby and 
some people will agree with you 

1232
01:05:32,170 --> 01:05:34,650
and some people will permanently
say, no, it's not. 

1233
01:05:34,690 --> 01:05:36,650
It's much better now than it 
ever was. 

1234
01:05:36,650 --> 01:05:41,450
So it's really in the eye of the
beholder, I think. 

1235
01:05:41,490 --> 01:05:43,770
Yeah, it's interesting for the 
sense. 

1236
01:05:43,770 --> 01:05:47,920
Yeah, so I mean if you can sit 
there and clip out plastic 

1237
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,800
screws for 10 hours and try to 
put them together reading some 

1238
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,160
kind of manual that was for like
a, I don't know, a Datsun in 

1239
01:05:55,160 --> 01:06:00,040
1970 and get pleasure out of 
doing that, then fantastic all 

1240
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,320
the all the power to you. 
But for me, I'll just like my 

1241
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:09,320
metals, metal and one piece so I
can just quickly go around and 

1242
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:12,910
clean up the mold line and ready
to roll and. 

1243
01:06:13,350 --> 01:06:14,630
Always found with the metal 
ones. 

1244
01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:16,390
Their feet would always lift at 
the front. 

1245
01:06:17,430 --> 01:06:19,710
I don't know why. 
Yeah, they put them in their 

1246
01:06:19,710 --> 01:06:22,550
little lot of basis and there'd 
always be a gap under the toes 

1247
01:06:22,550 --> 01:06:24,950
at the front that I'd have to 
contend with. 

1248
01:06:25,150 --> 01:06:27,390
I don't know why there's a 
reason for that. 

1249
01:06:27,590 --> 01:06:28,950
I was probably just doing it 
wrong. 

1250
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:33,750
But yeah, maybe, maybe, maybe. 
It was all a big, big learning 

1251
01:06:33,750 --> 01:06:36,430
curve for us back then. 
Dealing with like metal 

1252
01:06:36,430 --> 01:06:40,190
miniatures and how to clean them
up and priming the models and 

1253
01:06:40,190 --> 01:06:42,490
stuff like that. 
Yeah, it was a good time. 

1254
01:06:42,490 --> 01:06:43,890
But of course, now it's the 
Internet. 

1255
01:06:43,890 --> 01:06:47,610
You've got information at your 
fingertips with smartphones and 

1256
01:06:47,610 --> 01:06:51,330
you can watch 1000 videos before
you even get to painting your 

1257
01:06:51,330 --> 01:06:54,850
first model. 
So, you know, maybe, maybe now 

1258
01:06:54,850 --> 01:06:56,210
is the glory age. 
I don't know. 

1259
01:06:57,370 --> 01:07:01,050
But it's good in ways that they 
can find whatever information 

1260
01:07:01,570 --> 01:07:05,010
you know you need is there. 
You can do a lot of research 

1261
01:07:05,090 --> 01:07:08,850
before you commit, but also I 
worry that you'd get stuck. 

1262
01:07:09,330 --> 01:07:12,450
There's too much to look at and 
you'd never really begin. 

1263
01:07:13,410 --> 01:07:14,970
Yeah, that's another thing, 
yeah. 

1264
01:07:15,890 --> 01:07:18,810
You got saturated with choice, 
yes. 

1265
01:07:18,810 --> 01:07:22,450
And then, you know that's right,
but. 

1266
01:07:23,370 --> 01:07:26,160
I don't know. 
But yeah, mate, look for anybody

1267
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,520
who's interested in especially 
the law. 

1268
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,200
I mean, you do a load of law 
videos plus some hobby videos 

1269
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:35,720
and retrospectives back into the
old Hammer days. 

1270
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:37,840
Yeah, late age. 
I think that is sort of my 

1271
01:07:37,840 --> 01:07:40,560
trifecta as it were, a bit of 
law, yeah. 

1272
01:07:41,060 --> 01:07:43,580
A bit of old stuff and some 
hobby stuff, yeah. 

1273
01:07:43,580 --> 01:07:46,860
So a good mix of that, mate. 
But there's no fantasy, except 

1274
01:07:46,860 --> 01:07:50,060
for today. 
We saw some scabing, to my 

1275
01:07:50,060 --> 01:07:53,380
surprise, and a cow's beef. 
I mentioned that, yeah, War 

1276
01:07:53,380 --> 01:07:55,220
machine or whatever. 
So yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1277
01:07:55,260 --> 01:07:59,570
So why no fantasy love mate? 
You could expand your business. 

1278
01:07:59,570 --> 01:08:02,890
The snake works could be a multi
multi well. 

1279
01:08:04,650 --> 01:08:08,930
With this old World malarkey, 
we'll see what happens with this

1280
01:08:08,930 --> 01:08:11,250
old world. 
I've always had my eye on some 

1281
01:08:11,250 --> 01:08:14,090
of those undead. 
I always like the undead stuff, 

1282
01:08:14,090 --> 01:08:17,890
the vampires and all right, I 
love all that. 

1283
01:08:18,050 --> 01:08:21,490
So if I was going to go down the
fantasy route, that would be. 

1284
01:08:22,250 --> 01:08:24,649
The retail would take and I'd 
have to try and get hold of that

1285
01:08:24,649 --> 01:08:29,170
old skeleton army box. 
I don't know if you know the 

1286
01:08:29,170 --> 01:08:33,490
one. 
I mean the Is it like the 6th 

1287
01:08:33,490 --> 01:08:34,250
edition one? 
No. 

1288
01:08:35,490 --> 01:08:37,770
No, no, no, no. 
Well, you told me about that. 

1289
01:08:37,810 --> 01:08:40,250
The real good one. 
You told me the best one, the 

1290
01:08:40,250 --> 01:08:43,100
Skeleton Army set. 
Yeah, well, they look like 

1291
01:08:43,100 --> 01:08:45,939
skeletons. 
Yeah, they didn't have loads of 

1292
01:08:45,939 --> 01:08:48,140
clothes on. 
Yes, brilliant ones, I know 

1293
01:08:48,180 --> 01:08:48,859
that. 
Yeah, I've just. 

1294
01:08:48,939 --> 01:08:51,500
I've just painted those up. 
I'll be releasing a video soon 

1295
01:08:51,500 --> 01:08:53,620
about how to paint those things.
So it'd be just right up your 

1296
01:08:53,620 --> 01:08:55,180
alley, mate. 
Another one to book. 

1297
01:08:55,340 --> 01:09:00,020
They were the best that, yeah, 
that they would be the avenue I 

1298
01:09:00,020 --> 01:09:03,500
would have to take. 
I think it was a bit of fantasy,

1299
01:09:03,740 --> 01:09:06,180
yeah. 
No, you're starting in the right

1300
01:09:06,180 --> 01:09:09,170
direction there mate, I think 
and but good luck to you, good 

1301
01:09:09,170 --> 01:09:10,609
luck to you finding a set of 
those. 

1302
01:09:10,609 --> 01:09:13,370
I I don't know how much you're 
going to be paying for them and 

1303
01:09:13,649 --> 01:09:15,330
what. 
I think they were around a 

1304
01:09:15,370 --> 01:09:19,450
couple of £100.00 for the box 
there if I looked at the time, I

1305
01:09:19,450 --> 01:09:22,170
think so yeah, there, yeah, 
they're right there. 

1306
01:09:22,370 --> 01:09:25,210
Pricey. 
Yeah, so I can only wish. 

1307
01:09:25,210 --> 01:09:27,770
You those on a black on those, 
Yeah. 

1308
01:09:28,130 --> 01:09:32,410
But aside from that, now I 
really hope that you bring a lot

1309
01:09:32,410 --> 01:09:34,810
more epic Space Marine content 
because I know you're on your 

1310
01:09:34,810 --> 01:09:40,580
social media, is on Instagram, 
and on your YouTube as well. 

1311
01:09:40,580 --> 01:09:45,020
You have a lot of these postings
of pictures and a lot of it's 

1312
01:09:45,020 --> 01:09:46,620
sort of focused around Epic 
Spaceman. 

1313
01:09:46,620 --> 01:09:54,460
So what's your curiosity there? 
Epic was the 2nd box I bought. 

1314
01:09:54,460 --> 01:10:00,300
I think So after Space Crusade, 
I think I did buy that Epic box.

1315
01:10:01,580 --> 01:10:04,100
So that's also another little 
love of mine. 

1316
01:10:04,100 --> 01:10:09,020
You know that. 
I remember well and dearly so I 

1317
01:10:09,620 --> 01:10:12,380
remember getting that home and 
building all those little orc 

1318
01:10:12,380 --> 01:10:16,020
buggies and the Eldar. 
What were they? 

1319
01:10:16,340 --> 01:10:18,380
Grav tanks. 
Strange, yeah. 

1320
01:10:18,380 --> 01:10:21,300
The grav tanks that look very 
different to the ones of today, 

1321
01:10:21,860 --> 01:10:23,980
yeah. 
And putting all that together, 

1322
01:10:23,980 --> 01:10:27,260
reading all the rule books like 
you say, with all the extra 

1323
01:10:27,260 --> 01:10:30,420
information in the box and never
playing it. 

1324
01:10:31,460 --> 01:10:33,300
Bugger. 
OK, well, I hope you get to play

1325
01:10:33,300 --> 01:10:34,380
that. 
It's still under your bed, isn't

1326
01:10:34,380 --> 01:10:34,780
it? 
Yeah. 

1327
01:10:35,710 --> 01:10:38,350
Yeah, yeah. 
No, I had to source another copy

1328
01:10:38,350 --> 01:10:41,710
because I think that went the 
way of the black bin bag that 

1329
01:10:41,710 --> 01:10:43,950
was in landfill as well. 
So the old bin bag. 

1330
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:47,470
Yeah, OK. 
Yeah, there's some stuff out 

1331
01:10:47,470 --> 01:10:52,190
there somewhere for Indiana 
Jones to find, find some old 

1332
01:10:52,190 --> 01:10:54,390
relics. 
But yeah, so I had to find 

1333
01:10:54,390 --> 01:10:57,230
another copy. 
So that that's on my list I want

1334
01:10:57,230 --> 01:11:00,950
to do. 
I want to, you know, start some 

1335
01:11:00,950 --> 01:11:04,670
epic stuff from scratch, right? 
So I've had. 

1336
01:11:05,580 --> 01:11:08,540
I've sourced a few things. 
I think I started working on 

1337
01:11:08,540 --> 01:11:10,900
some storm hammers, I think. 
Cool. 

1338
01:11:12,180 --> 01:11:13,580
I don't know if you remember 
those. 

1339
01:11:13,940 --> 01:11:17,740
Did I buy those? 
I don't think so. 

1340
01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:20,860
What did I get? 
I never buying a box set of 

1341
01:11:20,900 --> 01:11:26,580
tanks back in the day, but I 
can't remember what they were. 

1342
01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:30,780
They were bristling with 
missiles and all kinds of 

1343
01:11:30,780 --> 01:11:33,650
different things on them, but I 
don't think it was the storm 

1344
01:11:33,650 --> 01:11:35,090
hammers. 
But it could be, could be. 

1345
01:11:35,090 --> 01:11:38,050
I can't see it now. 
Is it an Imperial tank? 

1346
01:11:38,090 --> 01:11:39,650
Yeah, Imperial tank. 
They were painted gold. 

1347
01:11:39,650 --> 01:11:41,610
They had gold on them or brass 
or something. 

1348
01:11:42,290 --> 01:11:45,330
So. 
There was a sort of orange and 

1349
01:11:45,330 --> 01:11:50,690
brown desert camo tank that was 
like it, with some missiles on 

1350
01:11:50,690 --> 01:11:52,610
the side. 
That's probably it, I think. 

1351
01:11:52,610 --> 01:11:55,170
I think that was really. 
Yeah, blades or something. 

1352
01:11:55,170 --> 01:11:56,170
That's it. 
Storm blades. 

1353
01:11:56,210 --> 01:11:58,530
But I think. 
But I think they call them 

1354
01:11:58,530 --> 01:12:03,010
something else in the article. 
I think it's one of those old 

1355
01:12:03,010 --> 01:12:05,530
articles you read. 
You know when they came out and 

1356
01:12:05,530 --> 01:12:08,650
got released in the White Dwarf.
I think the name of the actual 

1357
01:12:08,650 --> 01:12:13,130
tank changes about three times. 
All right, the articles what I 

1358
01:12:13,210 --> 01:12:15,690
remember storm something 
something or other is in their 

1359
01:12:15,730 --> 01:12:18,210
in their. 
Yeah, they were what tank line 

1360
01:12:18,210 --> 01:12:21,290
up there? 
But they, they were a nice one. 

1361
01:12:21,290 --> 01:12:23,930
They had like a little rack of 
three missiles down the side of 

1362
01:12:23,930 --> 01:12:25,490
the turret, from what I 
remember. 

1363
01:12:25,730 --> 01:12:27,800
Yeah. 
Yep, Yep. 

1364
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:29,520
Great game. 
Yeah, great game. 

1365
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,960
So I really hope you get that. 
I hope that comes to the 

1366
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:33,880
channel, how that comes to 
network Studios. 

1367
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:37,160
I love epic content in any 
shape, way or form, especially 

1368
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,280
second edition stuff. 
That's my. 

1369
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,960
I'll have to finish the store, 
Rammer, so I'll put that top of 

1370
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:43,560
the list for you. 
Yeah, mate, that'll be good, 

1371
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:44,960
yeah. 
Because I know there's a lot of 

1372
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:49,000
people who really enjoy that. 
I mean, it's not just us, it's a

1373
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:53,320
whole group of people who really
enjoy and love Epic. 

1374
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,330
As a. 
Yeah, Micro Machines. 

1375
01:12:56,330 --> 01:12:58,610
Warhammer, My friend's daughter.
Right. 

1376
01:12:58,610 --> 01:13:01,370
OK, well, yeah, there you go. 
It's that's exactly what it is. 

1377
01:13:01,370 --> 01:13:03,650
Really isn't. 
It yeah. 

1378
01:13:04,290 --> 01:13:08,050
But the one of the great things 
about Epic was that it didn't 

1379
01:13:08,050 --> 01:13:11,450
have rules that covered, you 
know, three or four different 

1380
01:13:11,450 --> 01:13:15,770
books and you had to, you know, 
almost take like a law exam and 

1381
01:13:15,770 --> 01:13:17,290
try to work out how things 
worked. 

1382
01:13:17,290 --> 01:13:19,450
It was very simple. 
You know, Jervis Johnson was a 

1383
01:13:19,490 --> 01:13:22,330
was a master at this. 
And his rule sets, he made them 

1384
01:13:22,330 --> 01:13:26,390
really streamlined, quite simple
to follow, gave you very core, 

1385
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:31,910
very basic core system and then 
sort of bolted on the added 

1386
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:33,950
rules. 
And in the supplements when the 

1387
01:13:33,950 --> 01:13:35,990
armies, when you played the 
different armies, you had those 

1388
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:38,990
and you sort of you could 
gradually get into it and it 

1389
01:13:38,990 --> 01:13:41,870
just wasn't such a huge headache
trying to remember everything. 

1390
01:13:41,870 --> 01:13:44,830
And I love all that. 
And so when you do. 

1391
01:13:44,830 --> 01:13:48,950
Get Do you know it's gonna be 
similar to the new version of 

1392
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:53,050
Epic coming out is that? 
Are you aware of this? 

1393
01:13:53,570 --> 01:13:54,330
Are you? 
Yeah. 

1394
01:13:54,490 --> 01:13:57,850
I've taken some a bit of 
interest in it because of course

1395
01:13:57,850 --> 01:14:00,530
it's epic. 
Yeah, but yeah, it looks like. 

1396
01:14:00,530 --> 01:14:03,130
What are your views on this? 
Look, I'm sure it'd be great. 

1397
01:14:03,130 --> 01:14:05,930
I'm just happy that people are 
going to experience epic again. 

1398
01:14:05,930 --> 01:14:12,370
I think it's a wonderful scale 
to represent 40K in because I 

1399
01:14:12,370 --> 01:14:15,970
see these tables, these 6 by 4 
tables or smaller. 

1400
01:14:15,970 --> 01:14:18,530
I think they're smaller now in 
10th edition. 

1401
01:14:18,530 --> 01:14:22,480
I can't remember what it is now,
4 by 3 or whatever it is, but 

1402
01:14:22,480 --> 01:14:26,040
they have these huge Titans and 
so many tanks in their 

1403
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:28,600
deployment zone, they can't even
move You can't even, you can't 

1404
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,520
even maneuver anything. 
It's so ridiculous. 

1405
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,400
The old parking lot, isn't it? 
Yeah. 

1406
01:14:32,600 --> 01:14:33,600
Yeah. 
It's like central. 

1407
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,560
Parking lot. 
It doesn't fit the scale. 

1408
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:37,600
Yeah, I know. 
It doesn't fit and epic. 

1409
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,080
It just looks beautiful. 
You know? 

1410
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,640
You've got your big Titan, which
is your central, you know, 

1411
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:47,080
giant, you know, Godzilla type 
thing on the tabletop that's 

1412
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:48,720
hard to take down. 
And it's going to be this 

1413
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,360
enormous threat and it feels 
like it too. 

1414
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,560
It feels like this enormous 
entity on the tabletop that 

1415
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,800
it's, you know, you think, I 
don't know if I can take that 

1416
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:58,040
down. 
It's going to take a lot of, you

1417
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:00,800
know, you can take buildings 
down this thing and you know 

1418
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,360
your inventory, they feel 
miniscule and small and very 

1419
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,800
fragile. 
And you know, sometimes you need

1420
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,410
to, you need those to take 
objectives, cause tanks and 

1421
01:15:10,410 --> 01:15:13,610
stuff can't do it and you're, 
you know, you're motorized 

1422
01:15:13,610 --> 01:15:17,010
infantry can't do it. 
So everything has a specific 

1423
01:15:17,010 --> 01:15:21,490
purpose, and that's another 
beauty of the system as well. 

1424
01:15:21,570 --> 01:15:24,210
So they made you take the 
infantry for those reasons. 

1425
01:15:24,210 --> 01:15:25,690
You've got to do it because 
you've got to take those 

1426
01:15:25,690 --> 01:15:28,370
objectives, maybe forest or 
something like that. 

1427
01:15:28,370 --> 01:15:30,210
You've got to take infantry to 
get in there because otherwise 

1428
01:15:30,210 --> 01:15:31,930
you can't. 
You can't claim them. 

1429
01:15:32,490 --> 01:15:35,490
So you know, everything had a 
unique purpose and I just, I 

1430
01:15:35,530 --> 01:15:39,290
just think that translate really
well in that scale. 

1431
01:15:39,810 --> 01:15:42,610
But then in 40K it just did it 
just never did it. 

1432
01:15:42,730 --> 01:15:46,490
It always looked very strange to
me, these huge Reva Titans, and 

1433
01:15:46,570 --> 01:15:51,410
you know what have yous on the 
tabletop on this very small 

1434
01:15:51,530 --> 01:15:54,450
space. 
No, I I feel that I completely 

1435
01:15:54,610 --> 01:15:58,050
agree with that. 
It looks a bit too overpopulated

1436
01:15:58,290 --> 01:16:00,490
on that board, but I will say 
this. 

1437
01:16:00,930 --> 01:16:07,190
In the 1990s at games day they 
replicated Epic Space Marine but

1438
01:16:07,190 --> 01:16:13,870
in 40K scale using armor cast 
Titans and and. 

1439
01:16:14,030 --> 01:16:16,030
I remember seeing the photos in 
White Dwarf. 

1440
01:16:16,190 --> 01:16:19,750
I weren't there and they had 
like square bases and they had 

1441
01:16:19,750 --> 01:16:23,790
like you know, 5 space Marines 
stuck on the base, just like 

1442
01:16:23,790 --> 01:16:26,950
they did in Epic. 
And they had people standing up 

1443
01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:29,950
on the on the table moving their
models around and stuff like 

1444
01:16:29,950 --> 01:16:31,950
that as a bit of fun, you know 
what I mean? 

1445
01:16:31,950 --> 01:16:34,630
But. 
Yeah, that looked really cool. 

1446
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:37,590
So. 
But anyhow that. 

1447
01:16:37,590 --> 01:16:39,670
Would have been nice to see that
one. 

1448
01:16:40,510 --> 01:16:42,550
Look, Marcel, it's been an 
absolute pleasure talking to you

1449
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:44,350
mate. 
I've really enjoyed getting to 

1450
01:16:44,350 --> 01:16:46,830
know you a little bit more 
about, you know your history and

1451
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:50,470
how you got into the hobby and 
and I just hope that it's been. 

1452
01:16:50,510 --> 01:16:51,830
Great. 
I've really enjoyed myself. 

1453
01:16:51,830 --> 01:16:53,430
I think that's been great. 
Oh, that's good, mate. 

1454
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:54,550
Is this your first time you've 
been? 

1455
01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:56,430
Here I had a wonderful time. 
Is this the first time you've 

1456
01:16:56,430 --> 01:17:00,390
been on a podcast? 
To do with the hobby, yes, I 

1457
01:17:00,390 --> 01:17:03,660
think the last time was on a. 
A call like this. 

1458
01:17:03,660 --> 01:17:06,500
So I had to do a driving 
awareness exam. 

1459
01:17:06,500 --> 01:17:09,940
So OK. 
Well, I've been caught speeding,

1460
01:17:09,940 --> 01:17:16,340
so it's a little bit that was 
all set up and ready to go. 

1461
01:17:18,300 --> 01:17:19,660
OK buddy. 
Well, I hope you had a good 

1462
01:17:19,660 --> 01:17:24,100
experience doing this, and I 
hope that I'll leave links in 

1463
01:17:24,100 --> 01:17:27,260
the show notes in this podcast. 
In the show note description, 

1464
01:17:27,260 --> 01:17:31,660
you can go down and check out 
Statework Studio and Marcel's. 

1465
01:17:31,660 --> 01:17:34,260
Very kind of you and Twitter and
all that. 

1466
01:17:34,260 --> 01:17:36,420
I'll leave it in there so you 
can go and access that. 

1467
01:17:37,260 --> 01:17:39,420
And as I know, you're a very 
avid poster. 

1468
01:17:39,420 --> 01:17:42,340
You're posting stuff every day. 
Keeping people in the loop, 

1469
01:17:42,340 --> 01:17:47,120
Keeping people in the nostalgia,
you know, frame of mind every 

1470
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:49,000
day. 
Releasing some kind of photo 

1471
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,960
from the past, which is great. 
Yeah, got to feed them, keep 

1472
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:53,520
them. 
And you gotta get to feed me, 

1473
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:54,720
mate. 
You gotta keep keep feeding me 

1474
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:57,240
more. 
So I hope that comes to the 

1475
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,440
channel too at some point. 
Some point with your store. 

1476
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:00,760
It's coming. 
It's. 

1477
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,840
It's already happening, so all 
right, is your is your wife 

1478
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:07,600
doing the voice over for that? 
She can do. 

1479
01:18:07,680 --> 01:18:09,880
I'm not at the script writing 
stage yet. 

1480
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:14,240
We're still in the painting and 
footage stage, right? 

1481
01:18:15,190 --> 01:18:17,310
Okay. 
Well, the epic, whatever form 

1482
01:18:17,310 --> 01:18:19,870
and shape it takes, I'm sure 
it'll be very entertaining and 

1483
01:18:19,870 --> 01:18:21,590
we look forward to it mate. 
Thank you again. 

1484
01:18:22,230 --> 01:18:24,390
Brilliant. 
No, I appreciate that. 

1485
01:18:24,390 --> 01:18:27,070
You're very kind, Okay. 
Now we're all the best for the 

1486
01:18:27,070 --> 01:18:29,790
channel and for the future. 
And yourself. 

1487
01:18:30,270 --> 01:18:32,390
Thank you very much, Sir. 
And take care and we'll see you 

1488
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:34,550
next time. 
Okay. 

1489
01:18:34,550 --> 01:18:35,070
Thank you.